July 13, 2026

Sasquatch Encounters Transform Witness at Packwood Lake, Washington

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Season 1

For more than 40 years, Matthew has experienced unexplained encounters across some of the most active Bigfoot country in North America.


His journey begins during a childhood hunting trip in Oregon's Starkey Unit before leading to unforgettable experiences at Packwood Lake, Washington, where he describes hearing a mysterious message in his mind, discovering unusual footprints, witnessing unexplained activity around the lake, and feeling an unseen presence in the forest.


As the years continued, the encounters spread throughout Washington and Idaho. Matthew shares accounts of strange vocalizations, crying babies deep in remote timber, glowing lights moving through the wilderness, recurring dreams, game camera images near Mount St. Helens, and a recent expedition that produced recorded vocalizations and a 15-inch footprint cast.


Throughout this conversation, Jeremiah Byron and Matthew explore the patterns connecting these experiences, the role of intention in the field, and the questions that continue to shape Matthew's understanding of the Sasquatch phenomenon.


Locations featured in this episode include:


• Starkey Unit, Oregon
• Packwood Lake, Washington
• Susan Creek and Yacolt, Washington
• Sunset Falls and Yacolt Mountain, Washington
• Neal Canyon near Ketchum, Idaho
• Mount St. Helens, Washington
• Mazamitla, Jalisco, Mexico


Whether you've spent years researching Bigfoot or you're hearing eyewitness testimony for the first time, this episode offers a fascinating journey through decades of firsthand experiences across the Pacific Northwest and beyond.

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You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,

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please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.

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Thank you.

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All right, Big the Society've got the privilege of talking

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to Matthew today. Matthew's got some extremely interesting things that

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have happened over the years out there in the Pacific Northwest,

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and so we're going to be talking about that today.

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This will be one of the episodes. We'll be chatting

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back and forth. I always check uh with the individual

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to see what they would be more comfortable with and

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that came up, So we will definitely be doing that

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and that'll that'll make for a fun time. So Matthew,

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welcome to the show. How are you doing today, sir?

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I'm good at Thank you everyone.

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Absolutely.

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You want to make sure you know if you're you

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head on over to the YouTube side. If you're not

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over there, you'll see a nice background. Matthew's got some

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plants you. I know, he's got a few fish back there.

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You probably want to see those, but the plants are nice.

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But Matthew, so man, I know we've got a lot

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to go into. But let's start back at the beginning. So,

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was bigfoot a thing where you grew up with it

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or was there an experience that kicked things off for

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you and you're like, wow, what is going on in

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the woods out here?

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So the So, the first time, first time I ever

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had any type of like recollection of bigfoot sasquatch, what

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do you want to call it, was actually at hunting

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camp when I was like in third grade and that

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that was in this archy unit in Oregon and my

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and I and I totally talked to my brother about

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this recently in October, and I remember my dad and

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my grandfather arguing and my dad saying something about red eyes,

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and my grandfather looking at me and saying, well, grizzly

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bearries have red eyes, and then his wife at the time,

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my dad's wife at the time, looking at us and saying,

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they're just talking about grizzly bears. And then the crazy

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part is this is that trip, we had killed a

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bunch of deer. I didn't, but my family did, and

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we had hung them and bagged him and everything. And

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I remember the middle of the night us turning on

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the lights of our truck on the deer and I

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don't and that's all that I really remember. And then

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I've actually asked my dad about that, and because my

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dad's had stuff happened, and he just he doesn't really

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talk much about it, but he was he was kind

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of like, yeah, we were arguing about that. Now that

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I'm older, we're we're a little more open about it.

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That was like the first time ever that I'd ever

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remember anything. And then it and then it kind of

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and then you know, lfe goes on and you grow,

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and then and then the Packwood Lake incident starts that

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that we're originally that I originally reached out to you

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about and then and then honestly ever since that, like, man,

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not every time, but you hear people say stuff like

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you get tagged or marked or whatever it is. But

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I'll tell you what, man, Like the last like gosh,

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four or five times I've been in the woods, stuff's

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happened in different parts of the world, which which is

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crazy to me. And now and now to the point

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where I'm starting to think that, Okay, maybe it's maybe

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whatever you want to call it, right tagged. I think

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it's more of just like frequencies and energy and things.

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is my personal opinion. And I think that I think

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that they just kind of see that you're more open

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at things, is what it was what I it's what

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I think is really going. But anyway, that's another conversation.

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So yeah, that was that was a long long time ago.

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That's I mean, that was the first time that ever.

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And then the crazy part is this is that my

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whole childhood there was always like we didn't have internet,

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so we had like a hallway with a with like

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a library like shell with books, right, and and my

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dad always had just books about bigfoot and things like that,

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you know what I mean. Because it was so way

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back in the day, I'd never even heard the term sasquatch.

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And that's something I actually want to talk about with

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the Packwood Lake incident. Oh yeah, because because of the

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stuff that happened. It was so when I was in

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Packwood Lake. Do you want me just to kind of get.

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Into that before before we do? I just want to

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And this is more because I'm curious. So when you

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say Starky Unit, are you saying Starky by Yu Kaya?

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I don't. I've never heard of you Kaya. I know.

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We used to drive through Peddleton. We used to drive

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through Peddleton, go into Oregon and then head up into

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the unit called Starky Unit. And there's a place called

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Fly Creek in that in that area and that was

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an that was an area that that that's when that happened,

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and we used to hunt there every year. Crazy Part

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two is this is that my dad stopped hunting like

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he like he totally like there was like we went

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back like two more times and then that was it.

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He totally stopped hunting and his whole life like it

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was all we that's all we used to do was

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go to honey camp. Like that's how it was rased.

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It's crazy and and he but he won't but he

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won't like really say, that's why you know what I mean?

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Absolutely, So, yeah, looking at the map, it is over there,

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it's it's a little east of yu Kaya And then

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I mean, yeah, dude, there I've talked to some other

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people around that area too. There's there's bigfoot stuff that

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happens for for sure.

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What year was that again?

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Gosh, that was that must have been that was like

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the gosh, I was how old are you in third grade?

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How old are you in third grade? What?

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He right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

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That so that was in the eight early eighties.

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Okay, okay, so we're similar asias.

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Yeah yeah, I'm I'll be forty eight this year. So

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that was so that was south So that was probably

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so I was born in seventy eight, So that was

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probably eighty seven, maybe eighty eighty six to eighty eight,

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somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. Whenever you have rold

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you're in third grade. I didn't really figured out the date.

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On that. So then.

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That experience did it?

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Did it affect you pretty intensely or is it you

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mentioned and I know a little bit about there's packwood

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like coming. Is that Is it a later experience that

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really has set things off?

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Would you say?

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So? I didn't even sort of be honest with you

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up until up until after Idaho when I kind of

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told you that I had blacked out and everything, which

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we'll talk about, I didn't really even understand anything, like

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I I never really even like it didn't it didn't

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really I was. I just it just wasn't a reality,

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Like it wasn't like I didn't No, not at all,

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not in a way that I would be able to.

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Like I am now older and so I understand what's

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really going on, and I've had different experiences. No, not

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at all, Like didn't affect me in anyway. Still raising

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the woods, still hunted, still fish did all that stuff,

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and it never I'd never even thought about it. I

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even went like when.

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I was in middle school, we would go to chief

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Fuluska back in the day, and we would go to

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the as a school function, and he would do like

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the Wild Woman or the Woods Dance and all that

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kind of stuff, and they would take the they would

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take the kids and put them in the basket and

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all that stuff.

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And I didn't even really understand then what was really

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going on. Now now I totally understand what's going on

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because I know that they're real and I know there's

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a bunch of crazy stuff going on with them. That's

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not what some people think they are, right. So, no,

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I didn't. I didn't really honestly, kind of it didn't

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come too until later in life when I when I

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was I started like crypto PTSD, when podcasts first started

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in YouTube and things, I ran into like crypto PTSD,

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and then I was like hearing these stories and I

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was like, man, I've had all that stuff happen to me,

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Like holy crap. And I and then I kind of

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like was putting two to two together and I was like,

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holy crap, like this and it was explaining everything that

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had been happening to me. And I didn't really put

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it together until I was.

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Older, to be honest with you, Okay, okay, yeah, very interesting.

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So would would Pack would be the next logical stop

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to go to on things that you've experienced?

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Yeah? So Packwood Lake. So back in the day Packwood Lake,

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and that was in we would hike into Packwood Lake

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Memorial Day on my buddy's birthday. And the first time

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we did that, we backpacked in. And that was in

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nineteen ninety three, before we had driver's licenses and we

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were into We just got it to float to being

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we were big fly fishermen back in the day, and

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so we and back then pack with lake like there

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was no one there, like you would hike in. It's

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like a five mile hike. There's a little cabin on

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the fro side of the lake, and then we would

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hike around the backside to where the creek would run

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in that runs off with like the Goat Rocks and

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Johnson Peak and everything right there. And there's a beautiful

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campsite right there where the creek fed end of the

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lake and we would camp there. And so the first time,

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the first time we backpacked in there was for my

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buddy's birthday with his dad. And so I was I

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packed in a float tube and we're talking like old

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school metal frame right like it was, And now that

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I'm older, it's like, wow, I had cad good. It

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was super heavy. But so here's the crazy part. So

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we hike in and this is what happened, and I'm

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just going to dive into it, okay, because I only

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talked with one other person about this incident. I didn't

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talk about this on the last last time I did

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something like this, and I really don't talk about this

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because it's just kind of crazy, right, But then I

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had something else happened later in life and made you

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realize that it's real. So as soon as we hit

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the cabin on pack With Lake, there's a like a

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ranger cabin, I guess or whatever it is, right, I

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don't know if you've ever been there or not. Now

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apparently I guess. There's people all over the place there.

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But you hit the ranger cabin, then do you take

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a break because it's about a five mile hike, and

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then you start to loop around the left side of

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the lake. And so when we started a loop around

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the left side of the lake, my buddies was first,

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my buddy was next, And there's an island in Packwood

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Lak and so and I remember starting putting on my

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backpack and starting to walk around the left side of

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the lake, and I was looking at the island and

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so here's the crazy part. And this is the part

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where I wonder sometimes what it really is because of

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what was what happened something and it was literally a boy.

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So that's where that's where the bigfoot sleep And and

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when I was looking at the island and I was,

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it kind of caught me off guard and I was like, well,

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I didn't really didn't really put two and two together, right,

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So I so I I wanted to catch up with

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my buddy and his dad, so I you know, and

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I'm that got the head of his pack, so I'm

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lagging behind, so I'm trying to catch up with them.

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And I didn't really I didn't really understand what it was.

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People call it mind speak. To me, it's telepathy because

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I've had it happened with a person, not like a

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real life person before one other time later in life.

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on in the pack would because I had to happen

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with an actual human. So and that's what I was like,

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is this would happened in Packwood, right. So then that

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that trip and here's the crazy part. So that trip

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we hiped in, spent the night. The next morning, I

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woke up and I pumped up my float to got

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the water right, and it was super early, and I

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went on and on. I don't know about now. Back

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in the day, you could only take the trail around

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to where the creek fed into the lake and then

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head up towards Johnson Peak and everything. And we would

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hike Johnson Peak and snow grass Flats every summer in

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August and do that too, come back around. And that's

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another conversation. Never had anything happen up there, only packwood.

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But there wasn't a trail that went around the other

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side of the lake. It was only like up to

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that and then up to the goat rocks. Right. So

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I get in my float to and I'm paddling right

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and I'm going around that side of the lake and

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I'm dragging woollibogers and I'm catching trout. And when I

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reached that side of the lake, a tree I thought

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a tree fell. Now, when I'm older, I understand that

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that's not really a thing. Like in all the years

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I've spent the woods after that, I've never heard or

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seen a tree fall or anything. And it was big.

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So and the crazy part is, so this thing well,

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and now I think it got pushed over, right, and

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it kind of it kind of scared me a little bit,

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and I remember like having the feeling of like, holy crap,

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that's that's really weird, right, and so I kind of

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started paddling away. And you got these like fins on

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right up, caver did float to you got these things.

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You can't move that fast, right right, try to like

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get away. And I tried to head towards the other

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side of the other side of the lake where our

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camp is, and and so, and then all of a

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sudden there was a couple of loons. And now I

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don't think there were louts, so there was. There was

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these loons that kept going back and forth, which I

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thought of the time wore loons making noise, but I

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couldn't there was no loots, right, you couldn't see it.

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So and and now that I'm older, I honestly think

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what was going on because I had another pack with

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lake experience with eleven other people where we saw PRINTZ

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a few years later, so coming coming out of that

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creek bed going into the lake, and I could talk

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about that too, And so now I think what was

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really going on is I think whatever said that to

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me and I'm kind of on the fence of it

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that's really bigfoot, sasquatch, or something else, because to me,

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it seems like every time you hear mind speak, or

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not every time, but a lot of the times, it's

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always in some type of third person. It's not like

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it's like, it didn't say that's where we sleep, right,

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it said that's where the bigfoot sleep. So and it

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didn't use the word sasquatch either, And at the time,

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the only thing that I knew of was bigfoot. I'd

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never even heard the term sasquatch. So that so there's

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some interesting things that happened. Now that I'm older and

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I kind of look at everything because of all the

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other experiences I've had, and I'm kind of like, okay,

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and it's weird to me that it wasn't that's where

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we sleep, or you know what I mean. So I

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wonder sometimes when people talk about mind speaker telepathy of

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is it really them or is it something else? Is

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there something else going on? And that's a totally different conversation.

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But yeah, it's it's such an interesting conversation and too

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so to ask you specifically about Uh So, you heard

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some say that's where the bigfoot sleep on the island.

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Because I've I've experienced this as well, and it's always

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weird to think about. But did you Some people say, well,

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it sounded inside my head. Some people are like, it

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sounded like I heard an actual voice, Like it was

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a voice I had.

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It was, it was a voice inside my head, and

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it was on the right side of my head, the

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same the same side of my head as when the

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woman when when the when the woman did that? And

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the and the crazy part about the woman is that

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I actually connected with her after the fact, like a

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year later, and she admitted it that she and there

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was a bunch of crazy stuff with that, and and

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she's the only person I've ever met that I would

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say has the ability with telebaty like, oh, so.

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She admitted to talking to you.

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It took me. It took me. It took me a

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really long time to get her to to open up

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about it because it was a crazy like it it's

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a crazy scenario. And she's had something happen where she

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knew I was into sasquatch. She knew that I was

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open to things, and she was working for me, and

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she came in in the middle of a morning meeting.

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I used to run a huge sales room and she

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had left and she she was like it almost looked

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like she was strung out when she came in, like

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she was shaken and scared and she had something happen.

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And before that, she had asked me about sasquatch and

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she said, do they speak to you? And I'm like,

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and I didn't know how to respond to that. Now

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I understand why she was saying that, because she has

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all kinds of stuff going on, and she when she left,

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I told her to do whatever she needed to help

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her something. She left, she walked down the hall. I

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came out of my secretary's office and something in my

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head and a woman's voice had helped me. And I

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totally stopped in the hallway and thought I thought I

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was going crazy, Like literally stopped and was like, what

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was going on? I literally thought I was going crazy,

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and I kind of looked back at my secretary. She

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looked at me with this weird look. I didn't say anything.

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I just went back to work. And then like a

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year later and I and she didn't work for me.

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After that, she totally left. And then I reached out

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to her and kind of told her what was going

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on and told her a little bit more in depth

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about my life and things like that. And then and

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then she kind of opened up a little bit and

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and things like that. And that's so yeah. So, I

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mean it's that with these real authority been proven. Uh.

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But so. And that's why sometimes I wonder if it's

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really sasquatch i'd speaking to people, or or if it's

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something else, because I just not at all. But I

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hear a lot of people use it in like a

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third third party right, Like it doesn't seem like a

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lot of them are first person. And it's an interesting

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and the right side of the brand. It's an interesting pattern,

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is all I'm saying. I have no.

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Clue that really is the one.

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Let's see the so I experienced that I think I

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just maybe brought up a few times.

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It was actually before. It's really weird when you think

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about it. Was I was in Tennessee.

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This is a few months ago, was taking a nap

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in a cabin where people get chased out of the

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cabin on this area, like it's very active, and so

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I'm taking a nap, trying to take a nap, and

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it's in, like you're just dozing off, So.

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You're in that area, yeah right, and I hear something in.

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My ears say say gotcha? And I was like, oh

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my goodness. Like I got out of that cabin and

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I went back to the other people. And then when

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I got back home, that's when all the cancer stuff

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started kicking off, which is, you know, maybe just a coincidence,

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but it's it's it's weird.

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So so, how.

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Did you experienced this this really interesting stuff at Packwood Lake,

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which that area Packwood, Washington is so so incredibly active.

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There's so many accounts that I've alone gotten from that area.

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How did that affect you after that? In that point

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of your life?

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So it really didn't like I because I didn't understand.

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I just didn't know. I was young. I didn't get

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it right. So it really didn't So so I went

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on with life. So we would do that backpacking trip

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every year with friends and not his dad after that,

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and the group got bigger and bigger and then and

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then basically there was in nineteen ninety five, I wrote

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down some dates here. In nineteen ninety five, eleven of

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us backpacked in there, and when we woke up the

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second morning we woke up. There was a trackway that

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came out of the creek and it went into the lake,

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but it stopped about twenty minutes, about twenty feet from

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the lake, and it just totally disappeared. And the funny

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part was this is and I literally remember looking at

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my buddy and saying, dude, look at those footprints, like

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there's something weird in the middle, because there was like

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this huge archway. Now I understand it was a mid

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tarsl break, and back then I had no clue, and

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they were totally in a straight line too, and all

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these things I hadn't I didn't have any clue, right,

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but I remember these details, and I remember all of

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us like like looking at him and everything. And then

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they were about so Ian. My buddy, Ian is about

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six two six three and he's a brick bason. His

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old family were brickmasons. They built saqways and stuff. And

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he was where it's cerel boots because it had snowed

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and he's got like a size twelve and there were

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they were the footprints were about as big as his

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cerel boots, so barefoot so that so that so like

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if it was a shoe it would be you know,

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size fourteen, size fifteen, whatever it is, right, So they

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were good they were I mean, they weren't huge, they

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weren't like the ones I saw in October, but they

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were good size. And it was it just looked like

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the middle of the foot had like a ridge pushed

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up like in the in the middle and now I

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understand it was what people call mid tarsal break. But

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they just stopped too. That was the weird part. Like

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the driveway totally just stopped, and it was like, well,

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we all were kind of like, well, did it jump

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into the lake like or like what happened to the

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like cause it just totally stopped and it came literally

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out of the the uh the creek bed. And then

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later on the crazy part is later on after that,

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we all woke up and we're all being kids. We're

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all juniors and seniors in high school, right, so we're

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just being juniors and seniors. And where and Ian was

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was in the had we had kind of hyped up

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into the creek a little bit. And Ian was climbing

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up these trees and grabbing the tops and like bringing

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them down and and like falling and catching himself to

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other trees right like, and and it was it was

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actually pretty impressive. But I remember and he was making

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monkey noises because he was kind of just because he

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was acting like a monkey, right And I remember when

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he did that. I remember looking up the creek and

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I just got this feeling of of like something not good,

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Like it wasn't a good feeling. And I had that

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other feeling later on in my life too, and ido

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so and and now now I wonder if there was

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something watching us in the woods, you know what I mean,

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because of that whole feeling and everything. Yeah, back with

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Lake was was kind of crazy. That's what it kind

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of started. But I still didn't It still wasn't like

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a like I wasn't. I was just so young and

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just I had a crazy life. So and I'll talk

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a little bit about that when I get into Idaho

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and stuff.

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So, so, man, you must have there must have been

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a situation and maybe it comes much later, but there

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must have been a time when it just hit you

459
00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.920
like a ton of bricks and you made all the

460
00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:29.400
connections about everything in your life.

461
00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.559
And that was later in life. And that's the great part.

462
00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:34.880
It is, like even even all the stuff in Idaho,

463
00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:38.599
and and the stuff that happened when I so, I mean, yeah,

464
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:41.200
it all, it all. There was a point where it

465
00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:43.759
all kind of connected and it was a real eyebudder

466
00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.039
for me. And then and then it was the point

467
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:49.920
of Okay, who do I even talk to about this? Right?

468
00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.920
Like podcasts were just getting started. I don't know if

469
00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.480
you've ever heard of crypto PTSD, like YouTube I have

470
00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.200
that was that was like super old school. That was

471
00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:01.039
like the first YouTube I would watch. Uh, then like

472
00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.519
West started his stuff right and and then and then

473
00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:06.960
and then it was like just all kind of beginning.

474
00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:09.839
Is when all that was beginning, is when I started

475
00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:12.920
hearing these stories and it was all the same stuff

476
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.160
that happened to me. I mean I've I've ran the

477
00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.440
gamut of everything from lights to experience to babies in

478
00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.039
the woods like little kids laughing like all that stuff.

479
00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:27.400
I've had everything except for like a frougle literally like

480
00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.240
lookie right at me. But I did have the thing

481
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:33.519
in Idaho that I my first thought was, oh, in

482
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.440
the buffalo, right, But there's no buffalo where I was living. Okay,

483
00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.960
And now now I realize what I think it was

484
00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.480
was one on all fours walking out of my camp

485
00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:44.920
and that's what we can talk about that a little

486
00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:45.640
bit or whatever.

487
00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.240
Wow, So would you say that that Idaho would be

488
00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:53.920
the next the next uh place where you experience things

489
00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:57.400
or where there are other things that happened between Packwood

490
00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:58.400
Lake and Idaho?

491
00:22:58.440 --> 00:22:59.240
Do you think so?

492
00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:02.400
So I was raised in like a battleground Yacol area,

493
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.000
like Sunset Falls, Yackol battle ground that I was raising

494
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.960
the right, so we would so are are kind of

495
00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:12.119
getting away from just being kids as we would drive

496
00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:14.720
to the mountains and camp and things like that. So

497
00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.319
there's an area on the S five thousand rode up

498
00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:20.039
by Sussaun Creek and there's a campground right there. The

499
00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.480
next thing that actually happened that I think might have

500
00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.119
been something was me and my buddy went up there

501
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:27.759
and we'd hiked down the creek and we had uh,

502
00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:29.559
we'd spent the night. We were just kind of pitching

503
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.640
rooster tails, and we we hiked down, made a bed

504
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.839
out of ferns. I took a bunch of moss but

505
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:36.759
ferns on top of it. Spent the night out there,

506
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.480
and then in the next morning something was walking around

507
00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:43.160
us in a circle and I remember waking my buddy

508
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.880
up and saying, hey, like, dude, there's something there, right,

509
00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.079
And he had really done allergies and stuff, so he

510
00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:50.799
kind of just woke up. He had bootgerots and stuff,

511
00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.640
and he he was like kind of looked at me

512
00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:55.519
heard it and it was like, oh, it must be

513
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.200
a deer, right, and I and I a deer don't

514
00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:01.440
like it was not a deer at all. So that

515
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:05.759
that's like the only thing that I remember happening between

516
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:09.640
that and Idaho, right, So that that I could say

517
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:13.920
possibly could have been something. So yeah, and then I

518
00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.039
and then I ended up moving to Ketchum, Idaho when

519
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.759
I was in nineteen ninety seven and lived there for

520
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.119
a while and had just had some really crazy stuff

521
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:24.680
happened there.

522
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:28.960
So so talking about the battle ground area, do you

523
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.319
remember the name of the campground or was that over

524
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.359
in that's in Scamania County.

525
00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:36.559
I'm not sure that. I don't think that's Kamania County.

526
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.440
So when you drive up, so when you drive through

527
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.359
Yackle and you head up, there's a on the backside

528
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:43.640
of Yale. So there's on the backside of Yale there

529
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:45.400
used to be what we would call an ip road

530
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.880
and you could get up on that ip road if

531
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.759
you didn't have a key, and you could go up

532
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:51.960
the top of Susaw Creek and come back down. So

533
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:54.599
on the way up past Cannying Prig, you drive past

534
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:57.839
Canning Crick and there's a and there's like a campground

535
00:24:57.880 --> 00:24:59.640
you drive down in the canyon creek and then you

536
00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.119
keep then it's the S five thousand, And when you

537
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.480
drive up on the S five thousand, there's a bridge

538
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:07.759
and then there's a campground that you pull off and

539
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:09.400
go down and there's not really a name for it.

540
00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:12.039
There might be now back then, back then it was

541
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.200
just a pull off, right, But yeah, the S five

542
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.039
thousand up on the backside of Piacle and Susa and

543
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:20.920
Creek is I mean, I'd spent so many weekends up there.

544
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:25.039
Gas just interesting. And what was the what was the

545
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.559
year that you had that happen at the campground?

546
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:33.119
So that was when that must have been nineteen ninety six,

547
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.160
I think somewhere around there. Yeah, I was still I

548
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.480
was still that was in nineteen ninety six. I was

549
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.440
still in high school then.

550
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.240
Okay, awesome, And so you had said that, so then

551
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.920
you moved out to Idaho to catch them, and there

552
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.759
was a lot of activity that was happening out there.

553
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.160
So so I had moved out to ketch them with

554
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.319
a friend of mine and his girlfriend, and we we

555
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.400
knew someone there and so we were just going. We

556
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.160
were young and just kind of, you know, our our

557
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.359
own and stuff until we'd moved there. And so this

558
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:04.799
is the part I'm going to talk about some things

559
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.599
in my past life, and I won't dive into a

560
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:10.640
lot of it. But so I was living there and

561
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.000
I was I got to a point there where some

562
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.440
of my friends and I were running marijuana from battle

563
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.039
Ground and we would run loads of marijuana from there

564
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:24.359
and to catch them and I would sell it right.

565
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.720
And I got to a point where the roommate that

566
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:28.880
I was living with i'd moved out from my buddy

567
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.680
and he lived with his girlfriend and I got a roommate.

568
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.200
It was it was so much that he wasn't comfortable

569
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:34.720
with me having it in the house. And I totally

570
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.200
get it. Right now that I'm older, I totally get it.

571
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.160
He was older than me, and so he was like, dude,

572
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:40.839
this is a felony. You can't be in the house.

573
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.000
And so what I would do is in the summertimes,

574
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.599
I would actually live in the woods, and so I

575
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.000
would I had an old toyleta with a with a

576
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.240
canopy and a safari rack, and I had a woolfiebrid dog,

577
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:54.519
et cetera, et cetera, and I would I would drive

578
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.359
back to battle ground, pick up loads of weed for

579
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.680
my buddies who would grow it and get it from Canada,

580
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:00.920
and then back and sell it.

581
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:01.160
Right.

582
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:03.200
And what I would do is I would bury it.

583
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.200
It was all vacuum stealed, so I would bury it

584
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.000
in the ground in case someone like a game warden

585
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:12.160
or whoever, right, they would catch me with it. Right. So,

586
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.880
and I was up in one of my main my

587
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.119
main areas I would camp was Neil Canyon. So if

588
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.599
you drive through catch them and you go up north

589
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:22.799
and you go up into Neil Canyon and you take

590
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.599
a ride, there's a place up there. And now I

591
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.759
think it's a little more developed. It's been years when

592
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.000
I Google mapped it a while ago. So I I

593
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.480
before I started running marijuana up there, I was doing

594
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.839
chinking work on a big log cabin right there, and

595
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.000
then had a big horse arena and stuff like that,

596
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.559
and so That's how I knew. On a lunch break,

597
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.440
I drove up in the mountains and was checking out

598
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.200
camps one, so so I knew how to get up there, right,

599
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.000
So I was. I was actually and you could stay

600
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.119
in a spot for about fourteen days before the rangers

601
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:50.880
would come in and make you move because you can't

602
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.359
really live there, right, So I had a couple of

603
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.279
locations where I would kind of bounce around and I

604
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.279
was and the whole so the whole time I was there,

605
00:27:58.279 --> 00:27:59.599
And I'm just going to dive into this, and this

606
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:01.759
is one of the most crazy things that it's ever

607
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:03.880
happened to me. And I'm not proud of the story

608
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:06.680
because of some of something that I did, but I'm

609
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.559
totally open to talk about it and people can just

610
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:09.279
think whatever they want.

611
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:09.880
I really don't care.

612
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.599
So I when I was in there, I had a

613
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:18.119
wolf hybrid dog that the whole time I was there,

614
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.400
every single day, it was like these coyotes would try

615
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.319
to call her out during the date during the night.

616
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.400
And where I'm from, there's coyotes everywhere, like they're they're

617
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.599
they're everywhere, and they kill dogs and things like that,

618
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:30.759
and you can hu them where I'm from, so you

619
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.960
can get like seven seven dollars a pelt back in

620
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.480
the day. Right. So I got to a point where

621
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.839
I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to

622
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.559
kill some of these coyotes and and get them away

623
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:44.000
from my camp because I felt like they were going

624
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.799
to kill my dog. Right. And so to the right

625
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.000
of that camp ground, there's like a little green clearcun

626
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.079
it's like a little green belt, right, it goes up

627
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.519
into a ridge of like a v with these it's

628
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.920
all wooded up above right, and that's where a lot

629
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.079
of those coyotes were all always at, was up in

630
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:04.319
that woodline right there. And so I and this is

631
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.359
the part that I don't talk a lot about because

632
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.599
people don't like to hear this, but I so what

633
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.960
I did is I had a twenty two log rifle

634
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:13.640
with a banana clip, and I had a three fifty

635
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:17.480
seven log barrel Magnum and so I and I've been hunting,

636
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.000
and so I set up shop. So I went in there,

637
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:21.519
I tied my dog up in the middle of the

638
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.400
green bell and I literally tied my nog up on

639
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.519
a log. And then I went back about thirty yards

640
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.839
into the woodline, and I set up shop, and I

641
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.279
sat there for for a very long time, and I

642
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.640
was waiting for these things to start chiming in and

643
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.960
start coming down towards her, and I was going to

644
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.039
start taking some potshots at him to see if I

645
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.279
could kill one of them or whatever, you know, get

646
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.799
them to leave me alone, right right, and so and

647
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.799
so what happened was is that after a little while there,

648
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.960
and this is the this is the crazy part. So

649
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.839
and this and I don't talk a lot about this.

650
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.680
So it was like three coyotes coming off the ridge,

651
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.839
going back and forth. And then as they started working

652
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:04.680
their way down, it changed. It wasn't coyotes. It turned

653
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:09.319
into it turned into it got really really loud, and

654
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:14.640
then it turned into almost like monkey type sounds. And

655
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.000
then and then as they moved down, it turned it

656
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.319
it almost it's it's just so crazy to say. It

657
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.599
almost turned into like men screaming at each other in

658
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.519
a way. And then and then what happened is it

659
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:29.839
was so loud it was like it was like being

660
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.400
at a concert, like it was just you could feel it.

661
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:36.039
And I actually blacked out. So I actually blacked out,

662
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.880
for I have no clue how long. It felt like

663
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.359
thirty seconds, it could have been. I had no clue, right,

664
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.400
but I remember black. I remember totally like in my

665
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.680
mind saying what the what, like, what this is going on?

666
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:50.279
And then I kind of blacked out, and then I

667
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.400
came back. When I came back too, I remember kind

668
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:55.559
of looking at the ground and then I looked up

669
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.039
and my dog was like literally doing flips try to

670
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.559
get off the leash, like just you know, dawns like

671
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.559
they really want to have something. And I kind of

672
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:06.920
and then I realized, like, holy crap, what am I

673
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.759
doing it? So I ran over, got her off the leash,

674
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.799
ran back to my truck, and then drove into town

675
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.920
to my buddy's house, and and didn't even really realize

676
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.039
what was going on. And that's the crazy part. So,

677
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.920
and here's here's the crazy part. I didn't even I

678
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.119
had no clue what was going on. Now I'm older

679
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.720
and I totally understand what was going on, but I

680
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.000
had no clue what was going on. I drove back

681
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.799
into town, went to my buddy's house. You know, we

682
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.440
smoked a little weed whatever, right, and then and then

683
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.240
totally just that people could be like, oh you were high, Doude,

684
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.960
I've smoked so much weed. You don't you don't hallucinate

685
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.440
on weed, right, Like, that's not a reality. So so so,

686
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:45.559
and I just went I went about with my life

687
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.920
right like, I'm run of drugs. I'm I'm not even

688
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.319
thinking about anything like this, right, and so so I

689
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.960
go about my normal life. Now. After that, I was

690
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.160
sleeping at a tenth normally. And after that, I started

691
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.839
sleeping in the back of my truck. And as I

692
00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:02.160
was kind of in that same area, there was nights

693
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.400
when my dog would like growl at the at the

694
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.880
back as I leave my tailgate Oakum and she would

695
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.440
literally and then after that she started growling, I started

696
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.880
to lip to my tailgate and closing it all right,

697
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.680
And so now that I'm older, So here's the crazy

698
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.839
part about that. And then I'll talk about because I

699
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.440
moved to another campsite after the certain time I had

700
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.279
to rotate, right, and that's when I thought I saw

701
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.079
a buffalo. But now I realized it wasn't a buffalo.

702
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:31.039
So that campsite up Neil Canyon right there, and I

703
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.559
believe it's still there. I think they built a couple

704
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.440
more houses behind the main house with the orse arenas

705
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.359
and stuff. But I think that camp sign is still there.

706
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.680
There was no coyote crap. There was no coyote sign

707
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.200
like there was. There was nothing like that going on whatsoever, like,

708
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.079
And when I was at the time, I wasn't really

709
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.880
thinking that. Right now that I'm older, and I hyped

710
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.599
around that whole area so many times and just never

711
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.400
ever saw any sign or any thing like that. And

712
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.279
even after that, one time we hiked up on the

713
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.960
other ridge on the other side, because there's a bunch

714
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.160
of like in that area, the saw twos right there,

715
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.319
there's a bunch of you like hike up and there's

716
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.400
like Steve cliffs and things, right, And I hiked up

717
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.839
to a certain point and there was like this ledge

718
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.759
that I had to kind of climb up, and I

719
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.359
remember grabbing my dog and throwing her up on top

720
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.079
of that to get her up on top. And then

721
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.960
she as soon as I did that, man, she came

722
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.000
off that so fast and ran down to our camp

723
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.039
and went the truck. And I was like, well, and

724
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.160
then I got like this feeling of just like like

725
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.799
I couldn't go any further, right, And so I actually

726
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.759
thought it was a cat. So there was a bunch

727
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.559
of cougar sightings and problems in that area at the time,

728
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:44.319
and so I thought it was a cat, and so

729
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.359
I actually pulled my firearm out and I had my

730
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.720
three fifty seven and I'm like, holy crap, like there's

731
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.400
a cat here, right, and I'm trying to like get

732
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.759
down the cliff and not get attacked by a cat, right. So,

733
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.160
And the crazy part is I remember and I and

734
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.440
this that's how this this part's happened to me twice

735
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.440
where I remember thinking, Okay, if this thing jumps on me,

736
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:09.360
it's gonna go for my neck and so and so

737
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.480
I was trying to like get I had my gun

738
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.719
and I'm trying to like get down and keep my

739
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.239
shoulders up in case it pounces on me and opefully

740
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.880
it doesn't get the back of my neck. Yeah, but

741
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:20.719
I don't think it was a cat. Now that I'm older,

742
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.280
I think it was one of them. And I think

743
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.719
what was happening was there they were watching me the

744
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:27.639
whole time, is what I think was going on. And

745
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.559
I think one of them was sitting up there or

746
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:33.920
something was up there that gave me that feeling. And

747
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.440
the crazy part is this man. They could have took

748
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.840
my dog the whole time, and they didn't like they

749
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.079
they And at first I thought maybe they were trying

750
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.360
to get my dog, But now when I'm older, it's like,

751
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.960
I don't think they were, because they could have totally

752
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.239
taken her, like they could have taken me. They could

753
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.320
have taken the dog. They could have taken whatever they wanted.

754
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.400
That's the truth, right, So I so I after that,

755
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.039
so I moved. I moved camps like I would rotate.

756
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.960
I had to, like the circuit, I would rotate. And

757
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.719
I there's another camp across across the road that I

758
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.480
would drive to, and if you drive in, you drive

759
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.440
in facing north and then you come back down south

760
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.719
into the camp and then it hooks to the west.

761
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.920
And I always had a tent, and so no one

762
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.679
else would set up camp. And I remember about gosh,

763
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.840
it was probably a couple of weeks after that other incident,

764
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.159
I drove in and as I was driving into my

765
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.559
truck on the backside of my tent at the time,

766
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:34.199
here's what I'm just going to tell you, the thoughts

767
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:36.639
that happened in my mind. And then whatever, right, people

768
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:41.599
can think whatever they want. I remember seeing what something

769
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.119
walk out of my camp into the bushes, and I remember,

770
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.360
and I remember my mind saying, oh, look it's buffalo.

771
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.920
And the reason I said that was because it had

772
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.039
there was like huge hump, right, but the butt was

773
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.719
so low that it was like, you know, buffalo, like

774
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.639
their butt looks like it's tooper for low and they

775
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.239
have that big hump and and and that's what I saw.

776
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.639
And there was moose everywhere and stuff, and and it

777
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.440
was definitely not a moose and it was definitely not

778
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.840
a bear. And I and I remember saying, oh, look,

779
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.000
it's a buffalo. And it walked into the bushes and

780
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.039
I just thought it was a buffalo. But now that

781
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.800
I'm older, there's no buffalo, and catch like that's not

782
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.079
a reality. There's no there's no buffalo there, Like, that's

783
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.320
not I honestly think that what I was seeing was

784
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.920
one of them on all fours walking out of my camp.

785
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:29.920
And it was like an it was like a lighter

786
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.920
brownish type color. And I think the hump that I

787
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.000
thought maybe was like the buffalo hub was actually like

788
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.880
the head and the shoulders and it was walking on

789
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.000
all fours of the butt was down lower is what

790
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.199
I the glimpse that I caught them. So and that's

791
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.119
like the only time I can say I ever think

792
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:51.880
I might have saw one with my own eyes. Yeah.

793
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:54.719
Wow, that that that is wild.

794
00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:00.199
I have a few questions just for my clarification. So

795
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.199
first thing is when you have the situation where the

796
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.840
coyotes are coming down and you hear things start to change,

797
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.800
is that then just the ought what you're hearing changes

798
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:18.320
into other things or were you seeing things that were changing?

799
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.679
And I didn't see I didn't see anything, so it

800
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.519
was all it was all audio. And it was so

801
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.199
crazy because as they worked their way down the bridge,

802
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:27.719
they were they were going back and forth with each other,

803
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.199
so and they and the audio was changing as.

804
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.960
They were working their way back the down down the

805
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.960
ridge right and and it's like and the funny part is,

806
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.800
like I said on the back of the day when

807
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.719
I talked about this with another person, was it was

808
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.239
almost it was And now I don't.

809
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.800
Know if that's real because I don't think they really

810
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:48.480
wanted my dog, but but I almost like there was

811
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.960
a point where I said, it was almost like they

812
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:51.760
were saying, no, you get the dog, No, you get

813
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:53.679
the dog, You get the dog because they were going

814
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.519
back and forth. But now now I'm like, well, they

815
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.079
could have just got the dog whatever they wanted, like

816
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:00.719
they could have taken or a night, they could have

817
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.800
taken her in the day, because she would I mean,

818
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.639
she was a wolf hybrid. She would disappear like just

819
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.519
go crazy, like she was a crazy dog. Yeah, but

820
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.400
she always came back. So they never took her. They

821
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.639
never So that's kind of where now I'm to the

822
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.559
point where I don't think they really wanted the dog.

823
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:18.159
I think they were just kind of watching us, you

824
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:23.480
know what I mean, what was going on you and your.

825
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.039
Would you say you're in your twenties at that time or.

826
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.039
Percent I'm in my early twenties. I actually turned twenty.

827
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.280
I turned twenty one in Whiskey Jackson Catch Them Yeah nice, Okay,

828
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.880
so yeah I was. I was twenty twenty two, I

829
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.800
think twenty two going on twenty three.

830
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:52.400
As I'm man, I'm trying to think of how to

831
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:54.519
word a question.

832
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:57.760
I'm just I'm going to ask it.

833
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:04.920
And yeah, I sometimes I ask questions for my listeners.

834
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.559
So would you say.

835
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:16.119
So the times that you had these experiences, would you

836
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.519
say and this might be hard to remember as well.

837
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:25.199
Were you uh sober during these times or was do

838
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.119
you get you get what I'm trying to say, very

839
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:28.719
change early.

840
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.159
Yeah, So a lot.

841
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.079
Of times people think because I was running marijuana, I

842
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:33.719
was high all the time, right, And it's totally a

843
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.159
legit question. No, I was sober. So that's that's the

844
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:41.079
crazy part. So so almost so all of the experiences,

845
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.639
I would say ninety nine percent of my experiences one

846
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.800
hundred percent sober. And most of my experiences I'm actually

847
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.920
with other people, so it's not it's not just me.

848
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.559
So and that's actually a legit question. I appreciate you

849
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.960
asking that because there's people out there that that don't

850
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.400
really understand marijuana and how it works. Right, they think, oh,

851
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.239
this guy's a you know, he's running drugs, he's high,

852
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:07.599
like he's totally high. No, not at all. So so yeah, No,

853
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.840
I was sober when all this was happening, actually.

854
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.920
Which was crazy interesting. Yeah yeah.

855
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.679
And then and then so what happened was is that?

856
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:18.320
And then here So here's the part that kind of

857
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.880
links into the idea of the thing. So I actually

858
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.679
moved back to uh battleground in that area, right, I

859
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:28.000
actually moved originally I moved back to Kalama originally and

860
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:31.480
then I ended up in in uh Yackle farber Lake area,

861
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:34.679
stuff like that. Right, So when I first moved back,

862
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:36.960
I was just in transition, so I was, I was

863
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.400
staying at a buddy's house. I would sleep in the

864
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.199
back of my truck until I found my own house,

865
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.360
things like that. So I was having a reoccurring dreams

866
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.320
after that. And the crazy part about these reoccurring dreams

867
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.800
is that so here, I'm gonna tell you the dream. Okay, So,

868
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.199
and this is something I haven't really talked a lot about.

869
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.360
So I had this reoccurring dream for about two months

870
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.199
after that whole idea of incident where I was, I've

871
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.719
been through a clear cut with my dog in my

872
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.159
trunk and there was three what I thought at the

873
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:07.920
time when I would have this dream was three grizzly

874
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.480
bears standing on their hind legs watching me drive through

875
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.599
the cut. So, and I had this dream probably twenty times,

876
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.320
so many times. And now that I'm older that I'm

877
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:22.360
way more in depth with this whole topic, whatever it is,

878
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.159
I understand that what I what I think was happening

879
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.119
was it was a residual from whatever happened that when

880
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.320
I blacked out because of the three it was the

881
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.800
same three bears every time, same clear cut, same dream,

882
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:40.000
every single time. And they were the same color as

883
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.199
the thing that walked out of my camp. And they

884
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.280
were standing on their hind legs as I'm driving through

885
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.880
this cut, watching me in this dream, and I and

886
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.360
I totally think it's all connected it and it sounds

887
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.199
so it sounds so crazy to even say it out loud,

888
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.719
but but there's something else going on with these things,

889
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.400
Like it's not it's not what people think.

890
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.880
It's it's you know, man, I I think it's not

891
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:09.480
crazy because I hear so many and my own experience

892
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.400
as well is when you get in these areas where

893
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:16.239
you have an experience, sometimes it makes your dreams go

894
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.679
crazy like and just like it just becomes extremely vivid

895
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.840
and it's just like when when when?

896
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:22.519
When? When? When when?

897
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.360
Because that happened to me as well first time in Oregon.

898
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.079
It was just like it took over my It just

899
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.159
takes over, you know, when when you're dreaming and it

900
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.000
just keeps hitting you over and over and over again.

901
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:35.920
It's just wild.

902
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:36.199
Man.

903
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.199
So I'm I'm totally with you, you know, and I

904
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.480
hear other people say stuff like that too. I mean,

905
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.800
I don't know why it happens, but it's like we

906
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:48.239
get that connection and then it just kicks. It's like

907
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.639
every time you hear someone's story, you can be like, Okay,

908
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:54.760
they're going to start to have wild dreams and then crazy, right,

909
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.800
you're going to maybe have pelepathy.

910
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.199
Right, it's crazy. Yeah, and the crazy part too, like,

911
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.480
and you talk to way more people than than than

912
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.280
me obviously, right. But and so there's patterns that I'm noticing.

913
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:12.119
I listen to every Sass Squatch podcast you can imagine, right, right, So,

914
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.440
and I've noticed my own patterns that I hear from

915
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.039
thousands of other people that I'm just like, holy crap,

916
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.920
like this stuff, there's something going on. So it's crazy

917
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.360
to me. What's crazy to me is when I hear

918
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.480
people saying, oh, it's just some type of ape, That

919
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:29.880
to me is crazy because if it was literally an ape,

920
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.559
none of this stuff would be happening. Like, there's so

921
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:36.280
many differences with it that I'm like, if it isn't eight,

922
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.599
it's got telepathy, it's got all kinds of different abilities

923
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.559
that apes don't have. And that's why I'm like, Okay,

924
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.559
it's I don't think it's that right.

925
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.159
So, and just to clarify, there's some people that might

926
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.679
be thinking. So when we say that's crazy, we're not

927
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.920
saying that the people are crazy. We're saying, what that's wild, Like,

928
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:02.599
it's just so that's what we're kind to stay here. Yeah, absolutely,

929
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.159
so man, how that must have eff started to affect

930
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.119
you wild after or create?

931
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:08.639
Then?

932
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.079
Yeah, so what happened? So here's what happened. And this

933
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:17.000
is the part where I honestly believe that people either

934
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.679
have a frequency or they somehow get marked or something.

935
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.440
Because after that, so I moved. I had a house

936
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.719
in Farger Lake. My buddy had a house up Sunset

937
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.159
Falls Road on ride Hool Creek, and we were growing

938
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.280
marijuana up by Sunset Falls, up by Yacoult Mountain, that

939
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.679
whole area up and there. So we would put out

940
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.880
a couple thousand plants every summer and work them in

941
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.320
different areas. And we do like fifty two hundred plants

942
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.480
in different areas and spread them out so we wouldn't

943
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.159
lose a whole crop, right, because all people steal on stuff,

944
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.400
cops everything you could maloggers everything you can imagine, right,

945
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.199
and that area, I'll tell you what. And that's the

946
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.159
same area where like West had his stuff happened and

947
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.719
things like that. I'll tell you what. There's some crazy

948
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.920
stuff going on up there. We we heard. We had

949
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.320
so much crazy stuff happen up there. There was uh,

950
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:10.400
I mean babies crying, and so we would work in

951
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:11.840
the middle of the night, so we would go in,

952
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.360
so we would we would prep everything during the day.

953
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.719
We had ATVs. We would take in and we made

954
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.119
trails and you couldn't see. We'd get in there because

955
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.039
it's all warehouse, their property, right, it's all in there.

956
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.599
So we would we would put stuff in in the day,

957
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.199
but then we would maintain stuff at night. So we

958
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:28.760
were all and we try to get out of there

959
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.239
before the loggers would come in, because the loggers get up.

960
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:32.960
They get in there like three forty five four in

961
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.519
the morning, right, So we would always go in from

962
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.920
like ten thirty eleven ish a night till that time

963
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.000
when the loggers would come in and try to take

964
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.239
care of our plants and then leave. Man, we had

965
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.719
so much crazy stuff. Like the first thing that happened

966
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.800
up there, was when we were prepping one of the springs.

967
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.119
We were prepping for a summer crop, and we were

968
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.960
moving material and during the day we would take fencing

969
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.320
and stuff like that and during the day without plants

970
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.119
or anything, because if you got cou of fencing, you

971
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.800
don't go to jail, right, maybe trust passing that that's it.

972
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.400
So one of the times me and my buddy were

973
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.519
and the and these guys that I've worked with, we

974
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.360
grew up from kids like, you know, little first grade,

975
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.280
Like they're brothers. Right. So we we had came out

976
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.679
of this area and we were stopping and taking a

977
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:17.079
rest on our ATVs and down that road we came

978
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.280
from where a bunch of stuff happened. Later, dude, it

979
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.880
sounded like little kids laughing and playing. It was. It

980
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.360
was so crazy. And I literally looked at him and

981
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.559
I was like, you heard that right, And he was

982
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:30.039
like he kind of looked at me, and I'm like,

983
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.599
you heard that right, And he was like, is that

984
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.239
a ghost? Like we're those ghosts? And I'm like, dude,

985
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.960
I'm like, there's no ghosts in the middle of the woods,

986
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.880
Like those are little kids. And he was like, well,

987
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.280
he was like yeah, they're little kids. He's like, yeah,

988
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.239
I heard the little kids. And I'm like, what was that.

989
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:48.800
He's like, sounded like little kids, and I'm like, dude,

990
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.360
there's no Like we were just in there, there's no

991
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.679
little kids running around. There's there's no kids running around

992
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.920
out there, right, And so he was like it must

993
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.280
be ghosts. And I'm like whatever, right, and so we

994
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.199
so you leave right, So, and that whole area was

995
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.840
just insane. Man. One of the nights we were in there,

996
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.039
so we would drive in and some of the spots

997
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.440
we would put on along creeks because the taproots would

998
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.880
get down under the water table and we have to

999
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.079
water them less, right, And some of the spots we

1000
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:18.679
had to take water in. So one of the spots

1001
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:20.400
we had to take water in there was like a

1002
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.480
little colvert that we would stop and fill up our

1003
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.519
jugs and we had tots on our ATDs, right, so

1004
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.360
we had utility ATVs and man, I'll never forget this

1005
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.519
is so crazy. So there was like this little pulvert

1006
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.159
with like probably a six sent of quick round like

1007
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.440
the water would puddle up, right, so we'd fill for

1008
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.880
drugs and we had ATV helmets on and this is

1009
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.320
the time when I thought maybe a cat the same thing.

1010
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.840
So this happened. This happened here. So we go in

1011
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.039
and I'm in the front, my buddy's behind me, and

1012
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.079
we're filling up our jugs. And as we're filling up

1013
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.480
our jugs, and baby starts crying, and it's literally it's

1014
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.400
literally probably thirty yards maybe a little less, right up

1015
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:01.719
above us in the cut. And I look up at

1016
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:04.320
him and he's his eyes are like this big right,

1017
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:06.840
and I'm just like, holy crap. And he's the type

1018
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.719
of guy when we grew up where if anything crazy happened,

1019
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:11.840
he just run right. And I knew it. And I

1020
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.519
looked at him and I said, man, do not leave

1021
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.119
me here. I literally I looked at him. I said,

1022
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.679
do not leave me here. So and then I looked

1023
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.639
back up at the baby and he was gone, like

1024
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.199
he told me totally. I looked back he was already

1025
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:27.039
plowing through the trail back to the ATVs, was already

1026
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:29.960
on his ATV. It was already like down the road.

1027
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.840
And so I'm like, try to get out of there

1028
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.639
and get my jugs and everything. And I had my

1029
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:38.039
ATV helmet on, and I remember thinking, man was that

1030
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.159
a cap, Like what was that? And I remember thinking,

1031
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.639
it's gonna go for my neck, right, and so and

1032
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:47.440
I remember and I totally remember in my mind saying, man,

1033
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.800
I'm so glad I got my ATV helmet on. Hopefully

1034
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.159
it goes for my neck. It's not gonna be able

1035
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.239
to get it because my helmet, I can like head

1036
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:56.639
butt back and I try to, like I was having

1037
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:58.960
those thoughts, and then I got on my ATV and

1038
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.679
just was trying to catch up with him, right. But

1039
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:04.280
and dude, it was a baby like. It was not

1040
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:08.159
a cat. I've heard cats, like I've spent the time,

1041
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:12.199
I've listened to every recording you can imagine from cats,

1042
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.639
and it was nothing like that. It was literally a

1043
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:18.599
baby and it was so crazy. And now that I'm older, man,

1044
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.679
I'm super happy we didn't go see what it was

1045
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.920
because I hear some stories out of that area that

1046
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.000
are just like not good and and I just yeah,

1047
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:33.199
so that happened. That's also an area we saw we

1048
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:35.639
saw first time I ever saw lights was in that area.

1049
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.079
So we actually so after that, we were working this

1050
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.639
one area and we we would we would leave and

1051
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.679
then head back up the ridge and we would always

1052
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.320
stop on the top before what I called it the

1053
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:51.760
bat trails or these ATV trails we had kind of

1054
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.519
hidden to get back down to his house, right, And

1055
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:56.559
so before we go in there, we would always just

1056
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.440
kind of make sure no one was watching us or

1057
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.239
or whatever, right, because you never know, right. Like it's

1058
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.360
so we we were sitting on top of the ridge

1059
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.960
and this is so crazy, and I and I we

1060
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:11.960
were sitting there and it looked it literally looked like

1061
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.119
a motorcycle light and it was round, and it was

1062
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.599
going down the road and it was kind of it

1063
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.679
was kind of jiggling like this, right, and it was

1064
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.119
and it was totally just ripping down the road. And

1065
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:25.280
I looked at my buddy and I'm like, dude, there's

1066
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.719
someone on a motorcycle there. They're headed towards our crop.

1067
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.559
And he was like, what the someone is someone gonna

1068
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:33.880
rob us? Like we thought someone was gonna rob us, right,

1069
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.679
But then as we sat and watched it, there was

1070
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.119
no noise or any There was no noise. There was

1071
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.400
absolutely nothing. And it was it was probably i don't know,

1072
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.280
three hundred, three hundred yards away maybe right, and there

1073
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.800
was no noise, there was nothing. It was literally just

1074
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.320
a light that looked like about the size of a

1075
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:55.639
of an old school motorcycle headlight, right jiggling down the road,

1076
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.039
and then it just disappeared. And so and I looked

1077
00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:59.760
at up and I'm like, dude, they just totally pulled

1078
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.239
off and stash their bike. Let's go down there, right,

1079
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.880
and so and we're and we're young, right, we're bulletproof, right,

1080
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.599
So we think people are raminous, So let's go down

1081
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:11.800
there and confront them, which is, now that I'm older,

1082
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.320
is the dubbest thing we could have ever done, right,

1083
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.360
because now I'm older, I realized people do crazy things

1084
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.760
over over marijuana and different things. Right, So we we

1085
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:25.280
drive down there, right, We go down there. There's no tracks,

1086
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:28.920
there's nothing, literally, and then I'm like, well, what the

1087
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.880
why didn't we hear it? And he was like, they

1088
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.440
must have had silencers. That incident actually got us to

1089
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:38.599
start looking into silencers for ATVs, because they make silencers

1090
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:41.119
so that you could put on ATVs to lower the

1091
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:43.519
decibels so you don't hear them, right, because we thought

1092
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.880
we thought it was someone with a silencer on an

1093
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.360
old school motorcycle. Now that I'm older, not at all

1094
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.039
now that I'm older, it's it's what I it's what

1095
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.519
I think people myself included c which whether they're warbs

1096
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.599
or lights or people. I've heard indigenous people talk about

1097
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.400
Sasquatch travels through through these rods of light and orbs

1098
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.679
and things. And I mean, I have pictures that I

1099
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.519
think I sent you some that my brother God, who's

1100
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.719
a cop I'm Mount Saint Helen's that It's like I

1101
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:14.679
have some of them right here that are insane and

1102
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.159
so and so that's now, now that I'm older, I

1103
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.960
think that's what that was. Was something, whether it's them

1104
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:26.280
or something, it's just the phenomenon's weird. How you get

1105
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.360
these light experiences right, and you hear it on a

1106
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.679
regular basis, so they're either attached or there's something going on.

1107
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:35.719
But then I saw lights here on my property where

1108
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:40.239
I lived. One light and it's so I this was

1109
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.519
years later, and this was why I was here, Like

1110
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.039
we're talking twenty plus whos later. I peowed overman. So

1111
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.280
I I need them and I keep them separate, and

1112
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.119
they when when I feed them, and the smaller one

1113
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.239
I was, I open my garage and feed them. But

1114
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.000
I have a mesquite tree on the back side of

1115
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.639
my property, and I'm just kind of hanging out and

1116
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.800
I'm I'm waiting for them to get done, and I

1117
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.639
my smaller one gets in front of me and just hackles,

1118
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:06.360
like full on hackle, right, and so I'm kind of like,

1119
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.039
what's going on? Right? And then I look up in

1120
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.559
the myski tree and I first I thought it was

1121
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.679
a firefly, but I'm like, oh, look at that, And

1122
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:15.920
there's this light in the meskite tree and it's about

1123
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.000
the size of a golf ball and it's kind of

1124
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.039
moving through the meskite tree and my dog is just

1125
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:26.239
like full like full board, just like hackles like in

1126
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.199
front of me, and I kind of start to walk

1127
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.719
over to it, and she like stops me, and it's

1128
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:33.199
like in front of me and like not letting me

1129
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:36.480
go over there, and then it just disappears. It totally

1130
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.360
just disappeared. And there's where I live, there's no firefights, like,

1131
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.199
they don't exist where I live. So and my first

1132
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:46.639
thought though, was like firefly, right, Like I was thinking, Oh,

1133
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:48.679
there must be some kind of insight here that that's

1134
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.960
doing that, but then there's no that doesn't they don't

1135
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.559
exist where I live. It's not a real thing. So

1136
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:56.960
that's that's the two that the two times I've seen

1137
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:58.079
lights with my own eyes.

1138
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.280
Yeah, lights are man, lights are weird. I don't get

1139
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:07.719
them yet, and I've only I've experienced them two times.

1140
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:12.559
One was daring an interview in my office and I

1141
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.199
looked across the room and there was an amber colored

1142
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.679
orb the size of a marble around.

1143
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.679
In your office. So, man, when we're done here, I'll

1144
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.760
send you a picture. In my house and my wife

1145
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.360
took there's an orb in ur by next door a

1146
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:28.760
Christmas tree. And one Christmas she's taking a picture of

1147
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:30.920
the Christmas tree and she said it to me and

1148
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.000
I'm like, do you see that? And she's like, what

1149
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.880
are you talking about? And I'm like, take that same

1150
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.079
picture like ten times immediately. And I didn't tell her

1151
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:38.920
why she and I had said it to me, and

1152
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.199
she said it to me and it was gone. But

1153
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.159
in the first picture she took, there's literally like a

1154
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.599
blackish colored, grayish black orb in my living room next

1155
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:50.000
to the Christmas tree and you can see it. It's

1156
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.280
so crazy. So and what those are, I have no

1157
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.280
clue those are what they say they are. I just

1158
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:59.519
think it's kind of weird how how they're attached. And

1159
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.440
then you hear like indigenous impersonations people talk about that's

1160
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.719
how they travel and whatever. I mean, whether it's dimensions

1161
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.440
or portals or whatever, it is.

1162
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:14.440
Right, it's I think it's enough hearing all of the

1163
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:19.719
accounts with orbs and and how it happens around Bigfoot

1164
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.639
sightings and on all that, it's enough to It's just

1165
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.239
one of the things that you know, make me think like, Okay,

1166
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.679
all bets are off, Like how can you hear stuff

1167
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.960
like that or see stuff like that yourself and be like,

1168
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:34.880
oh no, there's no weird stuff in Bigfoot, dude, there's

1169
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:35.960
weird stuff in Bigfoot.

1170
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.480
Like there's weird stuff in Bigfoot. In that's and and

1171
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.360
most and mostly the people that say that generally let's

1172
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.800
keep it real are generally mainstream type scientists that don't

1173
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.679
want to really right, they didn't want to hurt their reputation,

1174
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.440
and they're actually they're actually they're not they're not doing

1175
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.039
anyone a favor because a they're not they're not being

1176
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.760
good scientist because they're not taking all the evidence and

1177
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:58.480
actually actually like looking at it. They're picking and choosing

1178
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:01.800
which is not good. But yeah, but that also makes

1179
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.039
me wonder sometimes back to like the telepathy mind speak

1180
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.000
was the way that that was said to me, A

1181
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.559
pack with lake was third it was third person like

1182
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.920
it wasn't. And it makes me wonder if if some

1183
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.159
of the mind speak, maybe some of it is bigfoot sasquash,

1184
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:18.719
but if some of it is something else, like if

1185
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.639
there's something. I just think our reality is way more

1186
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.119
robust than what we've been taught. Oh, it totally is,

1187
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.400
and like, I think there's way more going on. I mean,

1188
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:29.840
I have a move on report that the video I

1189
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:33.440
took in my house that is absolutely insane and I

1190
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:36.039
decided to move on and the guy was like, holy crap,

1191
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.000
and I'm like yeah, like I literally filled it on

1192
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.760
my porch, like it's crazy. So yeah, I can send

1193
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.719
you that too. You can look at that. So yeah.

1194
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.079
So and then and then I just I think that people, Honestly,

1195
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:51.320
my personal opinion is I think people it's either frequency.

1196
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.639
I think that people either have a different energy or

1197
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:58.360
frequency where whatever these things are can either sense it

1198
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.800
or maybe they really some of them are telepathic, like

1199
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.840
and if they are people, like let's say there are people,

1200
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.559
right let's say they're just whatever. There are people, right,

1201
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.599
there's I know for a fact that there's people that

1202
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:12.719
have telepathy because of what happened me with that woman.

1203
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.599
I know for a fact that's real. Okay, I don't

1204
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.199
care what anyone says. It happened. That's already been proven.

1205
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:20.320
So if there are people, do some of them have

1206
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.719
that ability and some of them don't? Right, Like, isn't

1207
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:27.519
something similar like that or or whatever whatever it is?

1208
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.559
But yeah, and then it's like and it's like, every

1209
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:33.079
time I've been in the woods after that, I've had

1210
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.320
crazy stuff happen. Like I rented a house out in

1211
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.159
miles of meat lead in in Luadalhara, out the way

1212
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:41.719
out in the middle of nowhere. I rented this huge

1213
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.559
house and out there's pine forest. People don't realize that

1214
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:46.800
there's pine forests out there, and it's just like the

1215
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.719
pined forests where we're from in Oregon to Washington. Right.

1216
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:51.639
So I rent this house out there to get my

1217
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.280
wood fixed. I take my family out there, and this

1218
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:56.599
house is literally out of the middle of nowhere. And

1219
00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:59.400
I go out there, and I go out there with intent.

1220
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:01.079
So w and I'm going to talk a little bit

1221
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.920
about intent, because that's what happened in October too, was

1222
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:08.760
I went there with stuff to actually record audio with stuff,

1223
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.679
and I was actually looking for something to happen and

1224
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:14.639
asking for it in my mind, saying, show me, show me,

1225
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:15.119
show me.

1226
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:15.400
Right.

1227
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.519
So we woke up and after we woke up, so

1228
00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:22.280
we slept on the second story, and there was these skylights, right,

1229
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.679
and it was raining a bunch and things like that.

1230
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.159
And the first night there was nothing on the skylights.

1231
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:29.880
And was second night we woke up, this was on

1232
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:30.559
the skylight.

1233
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.320
No way, Oh my goodness, wow.

1234
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.719
And I couldn't and here's the crazy part. I couldn't

1235
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.159
get up to the skylight to measure it because it

1236
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:43.159
was it was like a vaulted ceiling. But this thing

1237
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.079
was like three times bigger than my hand. And I

1238
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:48.280
don't care what anyone says to me. That looks like

1239
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:49.800
some type of handprint.

1240
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.159
That smoked totally. Yeah, man.

1241
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.800
That's that's when my wife started to realize that I

1242
00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:56.440
wasn't crazy.

1243
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.039
Absolutely was it? Did you eventually have to clean that off?

1244
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:03.719
So it was an airbnb that I rented, and it

1245
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:06.840
was on the outside of the skylight, so it had something.

1246
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:08.800
It was on the out side of the skylight, so

1247
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:10.760
I couldn't even get up there without a ladder or anything.

1248
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.599
So and the crazy part is this, so that handprint,

1249
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.360
which I think is a hamprint, that stayed there the

1250
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.159
whole week we were there, and it rained so hard

1251
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.440
it was almost like it have like an oil or

1252
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.360
something on it that the rain wasn't washing it away.

1253
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:27.840
And then after that the rain let off. So about

1254
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:29.960
three days later the rain let up and we went

1255
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.400
on a hike and me and my wife and my

1256
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.559
daughter walked down the road. It just kind of went

1257
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:35.079
on a hike in the woods on the road, didn't

1258
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:36.559
really go in the woods, but on the road. Right.

1259
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.519
We walked down this road and on the way there's

1260
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:42.800
nothing on the road, and all the way back and

1261
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:44.760
my daughter at the time it is like four, I

1262
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.400
think she was four, and so on the way back,

1263
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.320
in the middle of the road, there was a gave

1264
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.719
grub that was about this big, like the thing was

1265
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.400
literally about three It was the biggest a gave grub

1266
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:58.280
I've ever seen in my life. And it was literally

1267
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:02.199
in the middle of the road. And it's like, okay, why,

1268
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:05.559
And I stopped and I was kind of like, what

1269
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:07.960
the what, Like, where did this? The thing didn't crawl there?

1270
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:09.920
And those things don't move that fast, Like, there's no

1271
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:13.679
way that then crawled from when we walked out and

1272
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.719
came back. There's no way. There's no way it crawled

1273
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.679
out of an agave plant and moved into the middle

1274
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:21.920
of the road. And then and then and then so

1275
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.719
here's why. And I always when I have things happen,

1276
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.519
I always go to what it might be, just in

1277
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.119
normal type thinking. Right, so I'm thinking deductive reasoning, and

1278
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:34.119
I'm like, Okay, well, a bird must have dropped it

1279
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.159
or something, right, I've tried to think of what would

1280
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.559
put that there, and I'm thinking maybe an animal, maybe

1281
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.159
a bird. But it's like if a bird dropped it,

1282
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:43.719
don't you think could circle back around and pick it

1283
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:46.119
back up? Or like if a fox or a coyote, Like,

1284
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:48.800
don't you think they'd like pick that back up? Like

1285
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:52.159
and because they they want to eat it? Right, So

1286
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.119
and so that so that happened, and then and then

1287
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:57.440
I didn't go into the woods for for years, just

1288
01:00:57.480 --> 01:00:59.639
because I was working my career that I had, I

1289
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:01.840
was a wor alcoholic and all that kind of stuff.

1290
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:05.079
And and then and then and then I and then

1291
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:08.440
I geared up for October. I mean, that's and that's

1292
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.440
what happened in October with what happened with my friend

1293
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.760
that you know, and things like that. And that was

1294
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.239
an interesting That was an interesting trip because I went

1295
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:21.559
in there with equipment, asking for certain bangs. And here's

1296
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.159
the crazy part. I got everything I asked for. And

1297
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.199
I even said, I don't even care about a visual.

1298
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.800
I want audio and I want a footprint. And I

1299
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:31.800
was saying that in my head and then I said

1300
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.119
it out loud when I was there, and I got

1301
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.199
all that I gotta. I got a so which to

1302
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.360
me and that that So this last October is when

1303
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:43.039
I kind of and I was telling him, and you

1304
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.760
know who I'm talking about, but I was telling him, dude,

1305
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:47.840
I think there's way more going on than what people think,

1306
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:50.239
like there, because there's stuff that happened on that trip

1307
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:54.960
that I was literally asking for and it happened so

1308
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.039
and and and so I just I think there's way

1309
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.280
more going on than what people think.

1310
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:05.639
So, Matthew, I'm curious, when did you so you're you're

1311
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:10.199
asking for specific things, did you start asking for those things?

1312
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.480
Like when you got to the area or was it

1313
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.320
a thing where you're like ahead of time.

1314
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.320
So before because I hadn't been in the woods in

1315
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:19.840
a really long time. So before that trip, I was

1316
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.760
actually working out every day. I was meditating every day.

1317
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.159
I was asking for that stuff in my brain while

1318
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.760
I was working out and meditating, and I was literally saying,

1319
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.119
I would love some audio, and I would love the

1320
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:34.760
footprint and I and I would just repeat it, I

1321
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:36.679
would love some audio, and I would love the footprint.

1322
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.559
I don't care about a visual like and I would

1323
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:41.880
just say, and I got that, Like I literally got

1324
01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:45.559
I got that. I had the audio. I have audios.

1325
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.599
I still have the audios. You've heard the audios. So

1326
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.599
I recorded those, and then I got the footprint. We

1327
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:53.760
took a cast of and I have more audios. I

1328
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.480
just haven't had the time to clean up the tape.

1329
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:58.440
I'm not like two days worth of audio. And so

1330
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.079
I so that's where I'm kind of like, okay, like

1331
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:04.000
I think there might be I think intent might have

1332
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.039
something to do with it. If if you're a person

1333
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.880
that has the writing energy or frequency and the crazy

1334
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.239
and here's, here's and here's and now that we're totally

1335
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:14.679
talking about it. Here's the crazy stuff too. So I

1336
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:16.559
sent you some pictures that my brother got on his

1337
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.159
game camera. I don't know if you have those who

1338
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.800
remember that, but I have a So my brother is

1339
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:23.719
by Mount Saint Ell it's okay, and he hunts up

1340
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.800
there and everything, and he total non believer, one hundred percent.

1341
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:32.199
He's he's total lbs. Right right before that trip, I

1342
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:35.039
already knew I was coming. Everything, he knew I was coming.

1343
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.199
Everything like that, Okay, he starts getting things on his

1344
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.320
game camera so and and it totally shifted his perception

1345
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.920
of reality because the first thing he got was this light,

1346
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:49.360
which is this, which is the most insane thing game

1347
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.480
camera I've ever got, I've ever seen. So he literally

1348
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:56.360
gets that right and they sends me that and he's like, well,

1349
01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:58.400
what is this? And I'm like, dude, it's a row

1350
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:00.960
a light, Like what is that? And then he sends

1351
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:03.960
me the other picture I sent you with what I

1352
01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.880
believe is a sasquatch literally standing in the woods and

1353
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.559
you see the shoulder in the head. And the cool

1354
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:12.960
part about all these picks is that I have all

1355
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.559
the upfront picks and the back picks, and like all

1356
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.239
the series of pictures, So it's not just like the

1357
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.559
one buddy shot right, so and then he so now

1358
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:26.760
he's like, Okay, this is like crazy, right so and

1359
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.000
and so and so. I I don't know if that's connected,

1360
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.360
but I but I think that it might have had

1361
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.679
something to do with Why would all of a sudden

1362
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:39.440
he start getting these on his camera when they know

1363
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:41.199
I'm gonna go with him. I was going there to

1364
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.880
hunt with him in that area, right, Why would he

1365
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.000
all of a sudden start getting these and never has

1366
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.280
had him before. Now he's a total like I'm on board.

1367
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:52.480
So he's like, I don't want to have anyone to

1368
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:54.119
know he doesn't want anyone to know who he is

1369
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:54.599
or anything like.

1370
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:57.360
That's a tricky situation for him for sure.

1371
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.480
Percent. So so I did. I. I just think it's

1372
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:03.039
all linked together. And then in October, so that trip

1373
01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:05.679
was I went hunting with them. We didn't have anything

1374
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:07.800
happened when I was with them hunting, but but I

1375
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:10.519
went with him in that area, and then I went

1376
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.119
with my other friend that that you know about, and

1377
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:16.159
that's what all that other stuff happened. So, which, yeah,

1378
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:18.840
I mean, it's it's it's crazy man. And so I

1379
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:22.920
just think that certain people can have certain things happen,

1380
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.119
whether they know it or not, based off their energy

1381
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.199
or frequency or something or something going on.

1382
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:29.760
Oh yeah, absolutely.

1383
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:33.159
And and you know the photos and the photos that

1384
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.519
you've shared, is that something where I could put those

1385
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:36.559
in the YouTube version?

1386
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:37.159
Yeah?

1387
01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:38.360
So he so I don't.

1388
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:40.960
Yeah, and I actually I asked him if I could

1389
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.800
share those with people, and so and I and I.

1390
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:45.360
That's why I emailed those two you a while back ago.

1391
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.840
And if you have those emails, I do, Yeah, you

1392
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:51.239
can post them. That's all good. I have no problem

1393
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:53.519
with that. There's the light picture. And then do you

1394
01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.840
have the one of the actual sasquatch up front with

1395
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.880
the baby Sasquatch in front of it? Did I send

1396
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:05.360
you it's there? I sent you the one with the

1397
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.320
energy what I call it energy distortion with the black circle.

1398
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:12.719
So that so that that's super interesting to me because

1399
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.519
if you look at that one, that black circle is

1400
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.960
behind the tree. So that's not a camera anomoly that

1401
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:22.599
there's no possible way that's a camera Novelly.

1402
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.280
No, definitely not. Yeah, you're talking about the game cam ones.

1403
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:28.400
Yeah, So with the with the with the bobcat walking

1404
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:33.159
through it and the black circle behind the tree. So dude,

1405
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:36.280
I'll tell you what, Like, there's something going on there.

1406
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:38.880
And like him and my dad both are like they

1407
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:40.639
send it to me and they're like, what the heck,

1408
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:43.519
And I'm like, dude, that's not an anomaly. It's behind

1409
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:47.519
the tree. Like, so that's the same area where where?

1410
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:50.840
And if I didn't send you the one with the

1411
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:53.119
what I think is the sasquatch and a little one,

1412
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:54.119
I'll resent it to you.

1413
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:58.920
But yeah, he's totally really, Uh is the the sas question?

1414
01:06:59.000 --> 01:06:59.440
The little one?

1415
01:06:59.480 --> 01:06:59.800
Is it really?

1416
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:01.039
And it's green?

1417
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:04.920
Uh, It's it's like it's like it's zoomed in and

1418
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:06.800
there's like a bunch of green and then it's you

1419
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:09.280
can see the gray shoulder and it looks like it

1420
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:11.679
looks like so so if you look at that picture,

1421
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.320
you see the shoulder, then you see like the head,

1422
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.679
and you see the dark eyes right there right look down,

1423
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.559
look down below on the bottom. There's something little there

1424
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:24.599
that looks like a little tidy bass or something all

1425
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.480
this so it's like a little baby sasquatch or something else.

1426
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:28.559
I have no clue what it is.

1427
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:32.440
That's wild. Yeah, no idea that yeah.

1428
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.519
So and so and so, and I have and and

1429
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:37.559
I have all the upfront game camera picks of that,

1430
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:40.000
and I also have game camera picks of that hurry

1431
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:43.559
without that there because he originally sent me the original

1432
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:45.360
one and there was a goat in there and it

1433
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:47.159
was like a white hump in the original one, and

1434
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:49.320
we were trying to figure out what the white hump

1435
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:51.440
was and we're looking at the white hump and I'm

1436
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.159
kind of scanning in the background and I'm like, well,

1437
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:55.239
what's that in the background, And he's like, what is that?

1438
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.679
And that's where That's where that picture is, and that's

1439
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:00.519
all that's all mount saying Ellen's area.

1440
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.559
That's wild and not surprising. I mean, mouse Saint Helen's

1441
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:08.559
is so so active as a kid, as you know

1442
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.360
and and all the all listeners probably know. But I

1443
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:15.840
mean it's just just the game cam stuff is really

1444
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:19.119
cool that I really like the game camp stuff, especially.

1445
01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:22.560
It's got the bobcat and it too. Yeah, well, crazy man.

1446
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.199
And the crazy part to me is like and and

1447
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:27.239
my other friend that you know about when I was

1448
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:29.920
in October, man he has some he has some light

1449
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.640
pictures that like some of his rods are light I

1450
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.399
don't care what anyone says, Like those are pretty impressive

1451
01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:40.439
and they're super good. And as much as people think

1452
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.560
some of this stuff's not real, it's one hundred percent

1453
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.319
of real. Like it's it's it's not it's not like

1454
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:49.520
the some people have these money shots of what they

1455
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:52.159
say or sasquatch, and but they all all they happens

1456
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:54.399
in the money shot, right, so they don't have any

1457
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:56.880
of you before or after. All These picks happened before

1458
01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:00.960
and afters like and it's yeah, it's it's weird, man.

1459
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.680
There's something going on with lights. There's something going on

1460
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:07.960
with I honestly believe it's some type of energy distortion.

1461
01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:11.119
That's what I think. That Black Mass is something like that.

1462
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:14.840
And whether the end see one. Here's the thing. Some

1463
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:20.279
people say that's portals whatever, right who we'd never really know.

1464
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:25.000
It could be something completely different. Okay, Like when I

1465
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.000
talked to that move On guy when I filmed that,

1466
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:29.760
and I'll email you that video that I took. When

1467
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:32.520
I was talking to him, we went down a little

1468
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:35.439
rabbit hole about Mount Saint Helen's and stuff, and he

1469
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:38.000
told me that he's talked to people from Mount Saint

1470
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:40.399
Helen's back in the day like wave and he's been

1471
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.479
with moof on like since day one. He was like, man,

1472
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:46.479
I've talked to loggers from Mount Saint Helen's that literally

1473
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:50.920
saw logs of rods of light pick up el and

1474
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:54.439
and disappear with them and the loggers left camp. And

1475
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.680
I'm like, so, okay, like what is that? Like are

1476
01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:02.720
those are those distortions really Sasquatch or is it something

1477
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:06.560
different going on? And are they all linked together or

1478
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:08.520
or is it really Sasquatch?

1479
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.520
I mean, dude, that's man. That's a guy. That's the

1480
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:15.680
guy that needs to be interviewed. He's never been interviewed.

1481
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.600
Man. He he's so he's been with mouf on since

1482
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:20.680
like day one, and he was he was he was

1483
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:24.840
pretty I'll say this about him. He was very he

1484
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:28.039
was very thorough and he didn't want to he didn't

1485
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.039
want it wasn't a lot of small talk, Like it

1486
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:33.119
was literally like he wanted the backs. I mean what

1487
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.119
I would try to like kind of just do small talk.

1488
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:39.159
He would totally just like bring it, bring it back

1489
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.159
in because he's been with mouf on for so long.

1490
01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:42.760
Sure, yeah, probably what.

1491
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:47.039
I'm man, I don't even know when movefon started, so

1492
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.159
years that'd be like forty fifty years more.

1493
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:51.680
Who knows, I have to look it up.

1494
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.279
But yeah, that's awesome. He didn't want to and he

1495
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:57.399
didn't want to. He didn't want to even engage in

1496
01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:01.279
any Sasquatch talk because I I even said, when I

1497
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:05.039
showed him, I showed him this picture. I even said,

1498
01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:07.800
man like, is this Sasquatch? And he was just he

1499
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:09.920
just totally didn't even acknowledge that.

1500
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:13.680
I asked the question, is such a waste that now?

1501
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.920
Is what it is? But in their own and everyone's

1502
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.520
in their own right, I think we're all saying the same.

1503
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:20.960
I think it's one big camp.

1504
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:24.640
Me personally, if if only we could all work together

1505
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.720
and compare notes, you know, like, yeah, it's what it is.

1506
01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:32.239
So why did you, uh, why did you not ask

1507
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:35.119
for a visual? Why were you You said you were

1508
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.359
okay with not having a visual, because I I just

1509
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:38.760
in my.

1510
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:41.119
Mind it was probably more realistic to get an audio

1511
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:43.520
and a footprint. I just I was kind of I

1512
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:45.079
was kind of just like, Okay, if I'm going to

1513
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:46.920
ask for this, I should ask for something that might

1514
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.640
possibly happen. And so and I and I totally was

1515
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:54.159
just like, I'm okay with an audio and a and

1516
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.119
a footprint, And to be honest with you now, I'm

1517
01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.640
I'm actually glad that because I would rather have the

1518
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.680
recordings that I have, which you've heard some of those,

1519
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.319
and we cast for a footprint. I mean, man, the

1520
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:10.000
footprint we took was fifteen inches. Man, it's crazy, like

1521
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:12.319
the thing the thing literally I don't know if you

1522
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:15.840
see that, but it's literally it's literally fifteen inches. And

1523
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:19.439
so I wanted something more tangible for me that I

1524
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.479
can keep in my office like I'm in my office

1525
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:24.119
right now, than just getting getting a glimpse of something

1526
01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:27.239
that I already knows real, got it Like for me,

1527
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:29.800
it's for me, it's already real. I don't need like

1528
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.279
I know, I'm not a believer. I know they're there.

1529
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:35.399
What they what they are is a totally different conversation.

1530
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:39.079
So I just I wanted something tangible for me selfish reality.

1531
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:41.439
It's just me being selfish because I wanted I want

1532
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:43.439
to be able to have the casting on my wall.

1533
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:46.039
I get it, man, And I know that I've listened

1534
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:48.840
to a million times, right, Yeah, So that's why I

1535
01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:49.159
did that.

1536
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:53.560
Yeah, wild so man, just this last October.

1537
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:54.159
So then.

1538
01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:57.600
Where does this where does it put you now? Or

1539
01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:01.560
are you are you trying to get out there and have.

1540
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:03.760
More or you at the point where you're like, wow,

1541
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:08.079
I had this happen and this happened, like okay, yeah, no.

1542
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.159
So I'm I'm planning on going back to where I

1543
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:13.800
was at with my friend in October. He's he's and

1544
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.680
I don't care what anyone says about him. He's got

1545
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:23.880
real stuff going on there. And I so I'm planning

1546
01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:28.479
on going back with him, and probably I want to

1547
01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:32.000
spend like a week there because it's man, I honestly

1548
01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:34.319
think the whole time we were there, they were there,

1549
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:37.880
like they were there, we were hearing stuff the whole time,

1550
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.199
like and so they were literally there the whole time.

1551
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.359
And I and it's it's kind of crazy because I

1552
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:48.560
I'm gonna go back and see my brother and I'm

1553
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:50.840
gonna hunt. But I'm not expecting anything to happen when

1554
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:54.000
I'm with my brother because we're carrying long rifles, like

1555
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:57.279
we're trying to kill stuff, right, And I think that

1556
01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:01.359
they know that, Like yeah, for some reason, I think

1557
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:04.560
that they can they know that, right, Like because I'm

1558
01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:07.600
when I'm with my friend, like I hadn't. I hadn't

1559
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:10.800
been camping with him since we were fighting kids. Like,

1560
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:13.760
so he's actually the little brother of my best friend.

1561
01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:17.199
That's how I know him, so and I so I

1562
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:19.399
hadn't been camping with him since we were little kids.

1563
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:21.920
And so it was literally just a camping trip of

1564
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:24.960
us just cutting it up and having a great time.

1565
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:27.800
And he's totally sober, but I was drinking and just

1566
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.039
having a good time because it was a vacation for me.

1567
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:32.920
So we were just eating food and hiking around and

1568
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:35.399
and just he was showing me all the spots and

1569
01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:37.680
we were checking all his game cameras, and he was

1570
01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:39.600
showing me some of the tree bends and stuff that

1571
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.359
he has in those areas are insane. So then he

1572
01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:44.279
was he took me down into a canyon there, which

1573
01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.319
some weird stuff happened in there. That was pretty interesting

1574
01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:50.199
because we even the night before we went into the canyon,

1575
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:54.119
we were talking about getting fresh fish, and I even said,

1576
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.039
and I have this all a recording to it's so

1577
01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:59.800
crazy to listen to. I even said, well, baby, we'll

1578
01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:02.159
get fresh salmon, because he had brought some salmon to

1579
01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:04.720
batter and deep fry for dinner, right, and I was like, well,

1580
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:07.199
maybe we'll get a fresh one and get some more. Then.

1581
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:09.640
I mean, I don't know if you know what happened

1582
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.359
on that trip, if you connected with him, and do

1583
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:13.960
you talk about that with you or anything?

1584
01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:17.640
Yes, yeah, it's pretty well, it's pretty wild.

1585
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:19.880
So and and when that happened, I was kind of like,

1586
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:23.760
what was going on? Right, like, so it's so yeah,

1587
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:25.760
and then and then it was and here's the weird

1588
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:30.319
part too, So when on that trip, So on that trip,

1589
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.680
I went in knowing they're real. Okay, I went in

1590
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.800
with such such different intent than I ever had in

1591
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:39.279
the past because I know they're real now. I brought

1592
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:41.439
equipment with me to try to get an audio. I

1593
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.199
brought casting material, I did all that stuff, right, so

1594
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:47.439
I had audio going the whole time. And the crazy

1595
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:50.479
part is this, even when the one incident happened that

1596
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:54.159
that I got the after the chain song. You've heard

1597
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:58.560
that right, yes, So okay, so when that happened, the

1598
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.760
way we reacted was interesting. So we we didn't it

1599
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:07.920
wasn't it was just like it was all good, Like

1600
01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:10.479
we didn't even like react, like we just we just

1601
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:12.159
kept on do what we were doing and then sat

1602
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:14.680
around the campfire and just kept kept cutting it up

1603
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:18.000
and talking about life and different things. And we knew

1604
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:21.600
they were there, like like the whole time, we knew

1605
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:24.560
they were right there when that happened. They were literally

1606
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:27.439
in the bushes, like right next to us, and it

1607
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:30.079
didn't scare us. It didn't. So I hear things like

1608
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:32.119
when you said you got chased out of or people

1609
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:34.720
get chased out of cabins, and you hear incidents like

1610
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.000
what happened with like people like Wes and all these

1611
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:41.960
crazy incidents, and it's like, okay, are they And then

1612
01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:44.119
and here's the and here's the part where where I

1613
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:47.680
wonder sometimes do they know if you're a good person

1614
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:52.199
or not? Right? I think like because like like I

1615
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:56.840
feel like they saw us kind of reconnecting after years

1616
01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:01.399
of literally having like a family moment, right, and we

1617
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:05.920
both and we know bad attention, like totally just having

1618
01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:09.159
a good time. And then it's like then you hear

1619
01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.680
other times where people are out in their trucks with

1620
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:15.520
guns and maybe they're driving around poaching or they're doing

1621
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.159
something they shouldn't be doing, and and they have a

1622
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:22.119
bad experience right or or or just or or I

1623
01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:24.359
don't know, man, I just I feel like I feel

1624
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:28.279
like I feel like there's some of them, if not

1625
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:32.479
all of them, can kind of tell you really are yea,

1626
01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:35.560
even if you're in a bad situation, they still see

1627
01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:39.359
who you are, right, And then I and then I

1628
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:41.840
and then I just wonder sometimes if there's some that

1629
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.600
are good, if there are people, there's got to be

1630
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.159
some that are bad. If there are any type of

1631
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.960
a people and there's a population, there's always going to

1632
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:52.600
be something that's bad. Right. It's just the way our

1633
01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:55.720
reality works. So is that where some people go missing?

1634
01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:01.000
And and are we on the menu? Right? Like different? Like, yeah,

1635
01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:03.319
I hear stories and I'm just like, holy crap, I

1636
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:05.119
hope that never happens to me. Right.

1637
01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:09.359
It's at the point, like you talking about intention, that

1638
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:12.199
I don't.

1639
01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:15.560
I'm at the point where I just don't go out

1640
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:18.800
with anyone anymore. It's not just making sure that the

1641
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:23.119
person is not crazy, right, because you need to check that,

1642
01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:26.279
but it's also you need to have a conversation with

1643
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:28.920
them like Okay, why are you doing this? Are you

1644
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.479
doing this because you just care about being famous? Or

1645
01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.880
do you you want to connect? Do you want to

1646
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.920
You know that all matters, and that is going to

1647
01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:41.079
affect how your experience is as well.

1648
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.800
And I think, and I think with my friend, because

1649
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:50.119
he's he he wants publicity, right, That's that's he's he's

1650
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:53.319
he's on both sides. He he's doing it for himself,

1651
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:55.720
which I respect, but he also is trying to grow

1652
01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.520
something else, right. So, but but on that trip, for him,

1653
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:03.880
it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow,

1654
01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:06.479
because he was connecting with me as well. And so

1655
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:08.720
he even told me, he was like, man, he's like,

1656
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:10.840
you're one of the only people I know that believes me.

1657
01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:13.640
And and he and he even said, now I know

1658
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:15.359
you're not crazy because I brought it up to him

1659
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:17.960
years ago and they all thought I was crazy, right,

1660
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.520
They're like, oh, he's just crazy. And he's like, dude,

1661
01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:22.640
you're not crazy. I'm like, I know I'm not crazy,

1662
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:26.199
Like I know they're real, right, And so it was

1663
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:28.560
more of him. I think it was more of him.

1664
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.800
Why we had so much stuff happened was it was

1665
01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:34.520
more of him kind of being with someone and having

1666
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:37.439
that feeling of okay, like there's someone else here that

1667
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:40.680
that knows that I'm not full of crap, right, So

1668
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:43.319
it wasn't just about him growing what he's trying to grow.

1669
01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:45.720
And I think that had a lot to do with

1670
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.600
what we got, the footprint that was left, the the

1671
01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:50.399
audios that I got, things like that.

1672
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.239
He's got a good heart. That that gentleman, your friend

1673
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:59.319
has a good heart. He's good, he's.

1674
01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:00.239
Been he's been through a lot, and he's got a

1675
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.039
really good heart and he's got he's got good intention

1676
01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:08.920
for for other people. Sometimes people get gold gold fever,

1677
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:11.439
right Sasquatch fever is what I call it. Yeah, And

1678
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.920
it happens because it's everything's monetized nowadays. It's crazy like

1679
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.000
even what you do, it's you make money, like that's reality.

1680
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:25.479
Right yeah, yeah, highercent man, Matt Matthew, you have had

1681
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:27.720
a wild, wild ride.

1682
01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:28.199
Uh.

1683
01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:32.439
And it's cool how you go from just having experiences

1684
01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:36.279
and then your mind just opens up. And I I honestly,

1685
01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:39.439
I I can't wait to see what happens next for

1686
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.680
you because it sounds like you're gonna keep trying to

1687
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:44.359
have out.

1688
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.199
There, but go back and I'm gonna do it. I'm

1689
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:49.279
gonna do it a little different When I go back,

1690
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:55.079
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna be more more. I'm

1691
01:20:55.119 --> 01:20:58.119
gonna pay more attention to my audios and things because

1692
01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.359
there's things that I think I missed because I've never

1693
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:04.880
messed around with trying to set up audio and things like.

1694
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:06.960
I'm not super tech savvy, so I'm going to do

1695
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:09.239
some things a little bit different when I go back.

1696
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:14.600
Fantastic well Man, we will definitely be I say, let's

1697
01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:18.000
keep in touch and we'll have to maybe even check

1698
01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:21.399
in with you in the future down the road, get

1699
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:24.600
an update. If that's something that you would be interested in,

1700
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:27.319
you're going you just reach out let me know. But

1701
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:31.279
thank you so much for spending your time today. And

1702
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:35.800
there's a lot to take away from this conversation, and

1703
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:37.159
I just want to say thank you for coming on

1704
01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:37.520
the show.

1705
01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:40.039
Yeah, thank you for having a platform to let people

1706
01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:42.560
like myself come in here. And I mean, I've liked

1707
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.119
the mind speak stuff. I talked to one other person

1708
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.039
about that's it. So that's kind of why I came

1709
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:50.920
on is I feel like more people should be more

1710
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:53.960
open to people are scared to talk about it. That's

1711
01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:56.680
the reality. I much be talked about Yeah, it needs

1712
01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:58.520
to be talked about, but it's hard to talk about

1713
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.640
it because people think you're crazy and they label you

1714
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:03.840
and then you get blowback and I get it. So

1715
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:08.199
for anyone who does hear this, here's the thing, talk

1716
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.079
to someone about it because it'll help you. That's why

1717
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:14.199
I came on earth to help myself. Because once you

1718
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:17.119
realize these things are real and all this stuff is happening,

1719
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:20.079
you can obsess about it. It can't absorb your life,

1720
01:22:20.479 --> 01:22:23.800
like you can spend your hours totally doom scrolling and

1721
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.720
watching things. And it's good to and you know that

1722
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.119
because you look at what you do, right yeah, so

1723
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:34.199
so so in a way, it's a good therapy to

1724
01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:36.960
come out and verbalize it because it'll take some of

1725
01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.960
that that off your shoulders because there is a lot

1726
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:42.960
of thousands of people like us, and we're not all

1727
01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:47.880
hallucinating the same stuff. Like it's real, yeah, it's and

1728
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.159
you do have to be careful about your identity and

1729
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:52.880
things like for me, that's that's I'm being careful about

1730
01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:56.000
my identity. And you can come on here and wherever

1731
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:57.319
talk to someone about it.

1732
01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:01.319
You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, And that's man,

1733
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:04.159
that's a good. If anyone wants to reach out, they can.

1734
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:06.680
They can send me an email at bigfo societygmail dot

1735
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:10.119
com and I will get back to you as soon

1736
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:13.479
as I can. But Matthew, what an awesome conversation and

1737
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:15.000
we will definitely keep in touch.

1738
01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:15.239
Man.

1739
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:18.439
You're doing You're doing some good stuff, So keep it up, dude.

1740
01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:20.720
Yeah sounds good. I appreciate you having me on here,

1741
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:22.000
and take care of yourself.

1742
01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:28.439
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1743
01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:31.760
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1744
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:35.520
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1745
01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:38.439
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1746
01:23:38.439 --> 01:23:41.720
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1747
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:45.119
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

1748
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:48.119
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1749
01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:52.199
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

1750
01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:55.079
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

1751
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:58.680
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

1752
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:02.319
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

1753
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:05.960
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field

1754
01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:09.159
or a trucker with government contracts, and you've had something

1755
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:12.680
happen that you've never told a soul, And if you're

1756
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:16.560
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1757
01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:19.880
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1758
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:22.960
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1759
01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:26.439
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1760
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:30.279
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1761
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.680
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1762
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:38.439
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1763
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.600
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1764
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:46.640
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1765
01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:51.439
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1766
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:56.880
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1767
01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:59.680
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

1768
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.239
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1769
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:05.359
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1770
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:08.319
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1778
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1779
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:35.119
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1780
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1781
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1787
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1788
01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:04.439
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1789
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:06.680
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1790
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:08.239
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