Sasquatch Encounters with Norma and Bob in Worcester County, Massachusetts

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And we're like, okay, this
thing it sounded like a freight train was

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coming through the woods. This thing
was looking through the woods. It was

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running so fast you could hear branches
breaking. And as you're and it's coming

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towards us, and all you can
hear is this thing running. And I

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don't know what made it stop,
but all of a sudden, and it's

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getting, like I said, it's
getting closer to us, and all of

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a sudden, it just stopped on
a dine. It just stopped running.

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And we're like, what the heck
is that? You know? And we're

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kind of talking saying what could that
be that would just stop like that.

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Today's conversation is with Norma and Bob, Connecticut Base Bigfoot researchers. We talked

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specifically about their Bigfoot research area that
is based out of Worcester County, Massachusetts.

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They've both been heavily involved with multiple
New England episodes of Finding Bigfoot and

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have helped a large amount of New
England Bigfoot witnesses come to grips with what

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they've experienced in the Sasquatch phenomenon.
I hope you enjoy this episode of Bigfoot

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All right, big for Society.
We had the privilege of talking to

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Norma and Bob. They are Bigfoot
researchers from Well based out of Connecticut now,

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but they've also done things in Massachusetts
in the past as well. But

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how are we doing today, Norma? Great? How are you? Oh?

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I'm doing good. I had the
privilege of already talking to you a

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little bit. We had a pre
interview chat earlier today and that was awesome.

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We talked about, you know,
you've been involved with a lot of

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things over the years, pretty cool
stuff being involved with finding Bigfoot over the

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years, and definitely it is great
to start to know your background and almost

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you know, almost almost vetch in
a little bit of a way. But

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what else do we have going on
tonight for you? Norma? Well,

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planning on going out tomorrow night and
doing some research with another friend and my

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husband. We haven't been out.
We're going actually to the mass area where

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we've researched for quite a few years
since two thousand and six. We had

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a little expedition there in two thousand
and seven and it's been quite a active

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area, to say the least,
and it's been it's been pretty interesting and

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a lot of fun, but also
sometimes it's a little unnerving, you know,

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when you're out in the pitch dark, because I mean, we're out

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there in the pitch dark you and
I know it's cliche to say you can't

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see your hand in front of your
face, but honestly, that's the truth.

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It's so dark. We just sometimes
we're just sitting in the dark,

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listening to everything that's around us and
hoping that, you know, one of

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these creatures will approach us as as
opposed to us trying to draw it in,

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you know what I mean. So
we're out there doing our thing,

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having fun, learning a lot,
having other people that are new, you

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know, come out with us.
We had this he's a really great friend

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now, but he I don't even
know who introduced us, but he wanted

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to go out so bad. And
we went out to this Massachusetts research area

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and we built a fire. I
was with another one of my friends who

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has gone out with me many times, but he pretty much stayed by the

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fire. He wouldn't he wouldn't leave
the fire. I'm like, come on,

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you know, come on over here. We heard we heard something so

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we moved away. We kind of
walked away from the fire and he's like,

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I'll stay here. So just my
friend and I were kind of standing

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there and what we were hearing was
whistles, these very light whistles, and

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I thought it was my friend and
I had what we listened with is an

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H two recorder, so I'm always
I always have it on and I'm always

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recording, and when we go out
usually I have I have now I have

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like four H twos so that everybody
can have one, and I also have

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amplifiers that uh connect to the H
twos, so everybody that comes out with

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us is hearing the same thing that
we're hearing. However, I only had

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one at the time, and I
had it on and I was listening,

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and I thought my friend was doing
it. I said, are you are

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you doing that? He said,
no, I'm right, And I should

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have known, because if you've ever
listened through an H two or I think

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they have new ones now my a
minor. I love the H twos,

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but I think they have H N
or h N two or something like that.

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But you can't you you can't not
hear everything that's going on. You

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move, or you or you brush
your you know, your jacket, and

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it's like so loud. So I
should have known that he wasn't doing it,

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but I had to ask him anyway, just because you know, you

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just I don't want to mess in
with me. And he said, no,

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I'm not doing it. And our
friend was sitting at the fire and

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he was hearing it too, So
we ended up listening for a little bit

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and it was so it was so
subtle and it was so close, and

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I think that's why it was so
subtle. It was. I don't think

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it was meant to be loud.
And when we when we heard it,

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I turned after we heard it,
I turned the H two on. I

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was standing there for a little while
with it recording and nothing was happening,

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so I shut the recorder off.
I shut the recording part off and was

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just listening and it would happen again, and I was like, when you

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figure, so I'd put it on
again and you know, nothing would happen,

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and then as soon as I shut
it off, something would happen.

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So that went on for a little
bit and then we went back to the

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fire with you know this with this
other guy. Since then, though,

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this friend of ours has been with
us for quite some time, and he

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is a trip and we have such
a good time. You know, when

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you go out and research, sometimes
in the majority of the time there is

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nothing going on. You are just
sitting there in the dark, waiting for

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something to hopefully happened, and nothing
does. So it's probably, I don't

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know, eighty percent of the time
nothing happens. So when you're sitting there,

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you're either you know, when my
husband and I are are out there,

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you know, we we pretty much
know how the two of us work.

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You know, we know how we
will converse with each other and we'll

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say, oh, that was an
interesting sound or something like that. But

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when there's other people with you and
they don't know what those sounds are,

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especially if they're new and they hear
these things, you know, they're like,

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oh, what is that? So
they step all over the audio,

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if you know what I mean.
Sometimes you just have to stop and say,

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okay, let's just let's just listen
and wait and see what happens,

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you know, and we're all kind
of quiet, or if we're talking like

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this friend of ours, his name
is Bred and he is a real cut

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up, and we are in there
sometimes we are laughing and joking. And

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the amazing thing is that they age
twos even though there's other noises, you

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know, especially when you're because we
can hear each other really well, but

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when there's other noises, they kind
of stick out. I don't know how

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that works. I don't know how
it happens, but it does. And

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one of us will hear something and
we'll go, you know, I just

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heard something. So we'll all like, just all of a sudden, we'll

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all just be quiet and listen,
and either something will happen or you know,

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maybe it's another animal out there that
we're not you know that we say,

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oh, okay, that was a
coyote, or you know, maybe

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a little chipmunk or something running around
squeaking. So it's pretty interesting with him

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because he's so he's so funny,
and he gets us all going and we'll

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be hysterical. One time we were
doing that. We were in the car

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and he was but he was sitting
in the seat behind us. And and

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this is what we do. I
mentioned to you before that we have done

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in our research so many methods of
research. We've gone out there and we

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have walked trails in the middle of
the night until dawn. We have camped

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out, we have sat in the
dark, we have we have done so

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many things. We've knocked on trees, we've made calls, We've done all

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kinds of things throughout you know,
our research. And several years ago,

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um, we we're going out during
I think it was probably in November when

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it was starting to get cold,
and my husband and I decided that we're

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going to try something different. We're
going to just drive out to our research

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area. We're not going to start
a fire. And we've done We've done

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plenty of that. We've been a
five degree weather you know, researching the

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squatch or probably laughing out of saying, what are these people crazy out in

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five degree weather when they're you know, hold down somewhere nice and warm,

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they're not coming out. So you
know, we actually with another friend of

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ours, my husband and I and
another friend of ours, we went out

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and we did the whole I mean, it was again, we don't go

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out until late at night. We
don't go out until like probably eleven or

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twelve. Steve calls calls it squatch
thirty, so it's you know, twelve

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thirty. So we go out there
and or we went out there. It

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was kind of he had a little
pop up tent. He brought his grill

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because we sometimes, you know,
you want to get those smells out there,

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maybe that'll draw something in and built
the fire. Freezing cold out there,

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and we had and it started to
like it was like a light mist,

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like an icing mist was coming.
Was was starting to come out or

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happened, and we heard something and
then we kind of just, uh,

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I don't know what that was.
Me it was, you know, I

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don't know, I don't know what
we thought it was. But when we

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had when we had driven in,
there was snow on the ground and there

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were no other tracks going into this
area, so we know, you know,

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there was nothing else and there were
no other tracks, like no animal

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tracks or anything like that. So
we're sitting there and not fifteen feet away

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from us, we decided to get
up and walk up the road. And

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as we were walking up the road, we're going back to where our tire

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tracks were, and we're following our
tire tracks and we saw moose tracks in

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the snow. Wow. So whenever
we briefly heard there was a moose and

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it was a pretty good prince these
size this is pretty good sized prince.

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So it cried, it came through
the woods, and of course, like

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I said, it was it was
that icing was happening and we could hear

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it on the little awning that he
brought, the little pop up tent or

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awning that he brought and h so
that might have had something to do with

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it. You know, when other
sounds are happening, you can't hear you

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know what you really need to hear. So um, we didn't. We

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heard something briefly and then that was
it. But the moose came through one

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side of the road and through the
woods, across the road and went through

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the other side of the of the
woods, and we're like, wow,

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that was so close and we didn't
even hear it, which kind of made

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us think about, Okay, had
that been a big foot, would we

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have heard that? You know,
we probably wouldn't have. So it's you

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know, it's it's interesting these different
scenarios that you go through. So again,

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we've been through them all. We've
done all kinds of methods of you

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know, research, and the one
that we tend to stick with and we

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do get we do still get out
and walk at night and do things like

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that. I'll tell you one story
that was kind of funny. But um,

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we decided to just go and sit
in our car, put our H

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twos out the window, and just
listen. It was freezing out anyway,

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you know, so we'll stay in
the car. Hopefully we'll keep a little

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warm. We don't turn on the
car. We just you know, dress

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warm, bring some blankets. Our
dog always goes with us. She's been

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squatching since she was eight weeks old, so she's used to it. And

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we just all bundle up and we
listen, and so many things. It

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seems like, like I said,
we're not we're not bothering them. We're

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not out there knocking on trees.
And I'm not I'm not saying that's not

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a good thing. I'm not saying. You know, there's all kinds of

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things that that we do as researchers, and that's fine. We've, like

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I said, we've done it.
And on occasion we'll still go out there

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and maybe knock on a tree when
we're bored, like nothing's happening, Let's

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let's knock on tree and see what
happens. Or somebody else that comes with

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us will say okay, well,
I'm going to get out and I'm going

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to do a yell or I'm gonna
do something, you know, see what

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happens, see if we bring anything
in. So we'll we're okay with that.

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But what we generally do is go
out and we're real quiet, hoping

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something will come, you know,
to us. And plenty has come to

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us doing that method. So one
night in the Massachusetts a research area,

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we were all sitting there and in
our friend Fred, he's the cut up,

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he's such a great guy, and
we are having a good time.

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Nothing was going on, nothing,
and we're just you know, they make

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up bigfoot songs to regular songs.
It's really hysterical while they're doing that.

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And most some of the time I'll
you know, I'll like jump in and

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do another sound but a song or
something. But I'm listening, you know,

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I'm listening to what's going on.
I'm listening to them, but I'm

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really kind of tuning into as those
two. It's like a comedy show.

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So those two are going at it
and I'm kind of I'm laughing along with

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them, but I'm listening too,
and if I hear anything, I'll say,

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oh, I just heard something,
and everybody would just go silent.

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So it's almost like that radio silent, you know, everybody would go silent

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and would just be listening. So
one night we're sitting there. We've been

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there quite some time. I think
it was about I would have to say,

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about four in the morning, and
it was cooler out. All of

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a sudden, they're, you know, they're doing their comedy show there,

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and I'm listening, and all of
a sudden, I hear something off in

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the distance and Bob actually heard it
at the same time, and we're like,

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okay, this thing. It sounded
like a freight train was coming through

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the woods. This thing was looking
through the woods. It was running so

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fast you could hear your branches breaking. And as you're and it's coming toward

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us, and all you can hear
is this thing running. And I don't

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know what made it stop, but
all of a sudden, and it's getting,

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like I said, it's getting closer
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sudden, it just stopped on a
dime. It just stopped running. And

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we're like, what the heck is
that, you know, and we're kind

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of talking saying, what could that
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And then it just picked up and
started running again, just as fast as

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it was running the first time.
And then it stopped again, and this

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time it's closer to us. Fred
sitting in the backseat. We have a

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Dodge caravan, so he's sitting in
the bar. We took the middle seats

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out, so he's in the back
and he's like, what what is that?

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was, like I said, it
was pretty close to us. And you

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know, the H two is omnidirectional, so it's sometimes it's really hard to

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pinpoint where it is. It's not
like a parabolic you know where you can

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turn it and really zero in on
the noises. But when you use it

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a lot, you tend to be
able to at least gauge you know where

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it might be coming from. So
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my husband and I usually can can
do that on occasion, you know,

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when we're hearing something that's really close
and we kind of have to really zone

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in and try to figure out where
is this coming from. So this thing

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was close to us and it was
walking, and it must have been staying

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just inside the dark woodline because we
we lit ourselves up. And when I

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say lights, sometimes all the time
my husband light us up. He's usually

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in the driver's seat. And what
that means is turn on the headlights and

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see if we can catch whatever it
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So that's exactly what we did.
We lit it up. Well, this

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thing didn't stop. It kept walking
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So we're trying to figure out where
it is. Fred is He's like,

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this thing, it's really close.
I said, I know. And so

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we're listening. And at one point
you could hear and it wasn't a four

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It wasn't four feet, you know
what I'm saying. It wasn't it,

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dear, It wasn't anything that was
quad. It was something that was bipedal.

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So he's kind of freaking out a
little bit. And he said,

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and so I said, okay,
so maybe if we started, if we

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couldn't you know, we can only
see so far, and we have a

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high powered light, so I usually
take that out and I'll be scanning.

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And I did that, but I
couldn't see anything. I hate when that

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happens, but I couldn't see anything, and so I said, okay,

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if we turn the car on,
maybe if we put the reverse you know,

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we have a dash camp, you
know, sure, and I said,

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maybe a backup camp. So maybe
if we put it in reverse,

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maybe we'll see something, you know, behind us. We tried that.

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We couldn't see anything. Again,
it's so dark out there, no ambient

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light, no any kind of light
pollution, so it's a very very very

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dark. And once you get to
a certain when your lights get to a

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certain point, you can't see beyond, you know. So um, then

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we put it in park and we're
just kind of listening to this thing.

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This thing isn't going away, it's
it's walking toward us. Now, how

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far was it? I don't know, but it sounds when you when you're

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listening to the H two, you
can hear quite a distance with that H

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two, And so I don't know
how far how close it was, but

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I can guestimate because of the sound
and you know how clear it is,

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and it was getting close. So
Fred, at one point it's like,

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what should we do? I said, well, let's just you know,

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I'm like, let's just wait and
see what happens. I guess, you

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know, I mean, the thing's
still coming and Fred is in the back

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and he's like, well, I
don't know what you guys are going to

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do, but you better do something
because it's right behind hind us. And

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that's what it sounded like. It
sounded like it's right behind us. But

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then again, your brain, you
know, it's you're kind of in that

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fight or flight right your brain is
telling you something is behind you run basically,

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and that's the kind of thing that
was going on, you know,

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with him it's right behind us.
Well, we don't know if it was

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right behind us. It could have
been on either side of us. It

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could have been behind us, you
know, could have been diagonally. I

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don't know, but it was.
It was pretty close. And he was

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like, better do something. It's
right behind us. So we decided.

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I kind of laughed, but and
we decided to at that point to probably

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leave because we didn't know how close
it would get to us. But man,

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I'll tell you that was an incredible
experience because I never heard anything run

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that fast and stopped just like that. That was crazy. Did you have

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your dog with you at that time? Yep? How did your dog react?

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She is so used to all the
noises that we hear out there,

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and there are there have been a
few times when definitely she has perked up.

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She will look um and she can't
see obviously, you know, when

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it's that dark, but you can
you can see her head turning in a

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direction where she hears it. So
one night, another night, in the

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same exact location, five and I
went out and she was with us.

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And I'm usually the tech person,
so I get everything ready, you know,

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I get H two's ready if I
have. We have a night vision

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that you know, I keep nearby
that records. There's no sound, but

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it records and it takes still photos. So I'm the techie. I'm the

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one that gets it all together,
puts things together, get them all started,

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give, you know, hand them
out to everybody. And that's when

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we get there. That's what we
do. And also when we get there,

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when we first get there, we
usually do a perimeter you know,

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check just to see, you know, if there's any other animals out there,

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coyotes or you know, bear or
anything or deer or anything like that

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out there. So when I get
it together, you know, I'll give

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him his H too, and I
have mine. So we just got we

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just got there and Bob had the
window open a short amount of time,

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just you know, he had about
halfway down and Jenna, our dog,

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was she had that low growl.
You know, she was embarking, but

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she had that low growl that she
was looking directly out the driver's side into

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the woods and she was not you
know, she was not happy. She

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heard something and Bob said, I
hear something. I said, okay,

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well, I got to get things
together, you know, I said,

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that's I just got I'm not together
yet. I don't have everything on and

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ready, and he goes, well, I hear something and it's really close.

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I said, we'll roll up the
window. You know, I don't

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want it to tell you. So
I just got everything ready and then I

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handed it to him and he put
it out there, and sure enough we

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could hear something very very close to
us. We heard it very close to

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us on the driver's side, and
then we heard something further off, but

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it was you know, a little
ways. But this whenever it was that

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was very close to us, sounded
agitated. It was moving, you know,

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kind of right in one area,
if you know what I mean.

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It was kind of I don't know
if it was like moving back and forth

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or pacing or whatever. But it
was kind of just you know, right

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there, and I'm like, Pop, It's like, wow, what is

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going on? And we hadn't been
there what maybe I think the entire time

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we were there I was setting up, it was probably five minutes. I

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think the entire time was maybe seven
minutes. When we got the H two

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one, put him out the windows, heard that the scuffling, and then

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all of a sudden, there was
this huge whack on a tree. I

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mean, this thing was like it
had some force, like a Louisville just

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hit the side of a tree and
it just popped. It was so loud,

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and Pop was like, holy crap. It was right right there.

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And then shortly after we heard another
knock a distance away, and then after

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that one and I'm saying a distance
away it was probably about fifty yards maybe

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forty yards, and then another one
in between the two. Well after that,

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after that loud you know, tree
knock, and it was a tree

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whack. It was so loud.
Instantly we have that recorded on the H

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two. Everything was recorded on the
H two. I usually one of them,

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the H two's is usually recording,
and it's usually mine because they don't

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know how to work them. So
I just I record on mine, but

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you can still set it up so
you can listen without recording, so mine

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is recording. There's are just on
you know, listen. But man,

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he was like, they, you
know, they are not happy. I

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think we came in on a maybe
a hunt or something. Maybe they were

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hunting, and we interrupted, you
know, whatever it was they were doing,

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but that it did not want us
there. And that has to be

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probably in the gosh, how many
years we've been probably I think we're sixteen

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years in research. I've never heard
another one like that since it was so

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loud. It's it's almost like when
lightning hits a tree, you know,

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it's a really loud pop. So
that was pretty interesting. So we weren't

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there very long. We actually thought
it probably would be best to at least

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the area since they were right there. So that was another one. But

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that, you know, our dog
she has she has perked up a couple

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of times and we watch her.
Usually we'll watch her and we'll listen if

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she does that low growl, you
know, it's it's we know something is

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up. But most of the time
she's pretty she's pretty calm, and I

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know a lot of people you know, say Bigfoot don't like dogs or dogs,

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you know, power and all of
that stuff. Um, I think

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it's because she was so young when
we started this that maybe she's just used

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to it. We used to put
her in a backpack and take her hiking

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level, so she's you know,
she's hiking as far as like research Bigfoot,

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you know, in the woods,
kind of at night hiking. We

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don't we don't we don't keep her
on a leash, you know, because

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we don't want anything to happen to
her. Sure if anything we're you know,

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to uh, confront us or something, we don't want anything to happen

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to her. So we we usually
put her in a you know, a

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backpack, her little head sticking out
if it's warm out it's a mesh you

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know, backpack. So she's pretty
cool. Um, but I think she's

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just so used to it that she
doesn't affect her, doesn't bother her.

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I mean again, there are times
when she does. There are times when

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she's perking up and she's looking straight
out the window. She looks like a

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pointer, and she's just a little
jack russell and and she's, uh,

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it's pretty interesting when she does that, because then we're kind of on high

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alert. After that, we call
it the runner after the runner. Um,

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you know, we were pretty pretty
alert, wondering if it was probably

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just a one time you know something, maybe it was going through the area.

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I don't know what it was doing, but it was crazy. I

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mean, have I don't know,
have you ever heard of that where it

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just stops on a time? I
have heard running that bath Yeah different.

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I've heard different accounts where you know, kind of mentioned as a as a

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bluff charge, where you know,
they'll they'll run quickly towards a person through

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the woods, is taken down all
sorts of trees, and then kind of

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stop because they're they're trying to get
the person. What most people say,

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they're trying to get the person to
run away right to get out of their

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area. Now, we don't know
that for sure because we can't talk to

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them, but like that's if you
look at eight behavior, I mean,

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potentially kind of similar. But Um, there's a there's a question that probably

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a lot of listeners have in their
head right now, So I'm going to

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ask it. Um. And so
we've established we're in Massachusetts, right and

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I'm excited for this interview, because
you know, I spent the first twenty

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so years of my life out there
in western Massachusetts and little town called Northfield,

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beautiful town. Yep, there's there's
a lot of Yeah, we weren't

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far from Northfield, Yeah, exactly. We chatted about that. The thing

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about Massachusetts, there's a lot of
different regions, right. There's you've got

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the Berkshires, You've got October Mountain
out there, You've got the Bridgewater Triangle,

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You've got Franklin County, you've got
Boston, You've got Cape cut all

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over the place, right And I
don't, I don't. Is there any

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context you might be able to give
about maybe what kind of region we're talking

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about when we talk about this area
that you're you're focusing in. I don't

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want to push anything, but no, this is in uh Worcester County.

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Ah, so it's out in the
Worcester County area. So Franklin County is

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where we were from, and um
we went. You know, the reason

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we got to this location, this
specific location, was because a woman,

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a friend of ours. Um,
he found out that we were uh that

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we did big research and he said, well, you know, I have

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a friend who might have seen a
big foot outside of her window. I

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said, really, okay, well
she talk to us, and he said,

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well, I'll ask her if she'll, you know, if she'll talk

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to you about it, and I
said okay, I said, okay,

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that'd be great. So I was
able to talk to her. Oh,

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I'm sorry, sorry, No,
that's a that's our other dog. She's

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a little um. We live out
in the woods, so there's all kinds

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of things out here, and so
um, I lost my train of thought.

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Oh, so I was. I
was able to call her and talk

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to her about it. And while
I was talking to her about her I

408
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.400
don't when I interview people, and
I've interviewed a few people, you know,

409
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.639
over the years, and I don't
lead them. I don't want to

410
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.519
ask leading questions. I don't want
to say, Okay, what was the

411
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.880
was the hair that you saw brown? You know, you don't want to

412
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.519
say that because yeah, yeah,
yeah, I think it was brown.

413
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.159
You're just ask them what they saw. And that's exactly what I did with

414
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:29.199
her. So, what happened that, you know that night? Tell me

415
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:35.280
what happened? And so she told
she told me that she was on her

416
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.440
bed watching TV. It was about
two o'clock in the morning. She's just

417
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:46.440
like it was a summer night and
she was just like I said, watching

418
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:52.079
TV. Her curtains on her window
were parted, and it was probably there

419
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:57.800
was a space in between, you
know, one curtain one curtain from the

420
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:05.239
other, probably about eight or twelve
inch space between the two curtains that you

421
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.559
know, you could see outside.
And it was, like I said,

422
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:13.400
two o'clock in the morning, so
it's pretty dark out there, and just

423
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.440
happened to see something out of the
corner of her eye. So she looked

424
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:23.199
over and she didn't see anything.
It's like, okay, well whatever.

425
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:32.119
Then she decided to get up in
part the curtains and look outside, and

426
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.840
she obviously didn't see anything because it
was dark. And the distance because we

427
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.360
went over there and actually looked at
the house and looked at the window.

428
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.840
The distance from the ground to the
window or the it's a double hung window,

429
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:54.119
so there's a top and bottom right
and the bottom part of the window

430
00:36:55.559 --> 00:37:01.920
from the ground was over eight tall, eight feet high, and there was

431
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:07.159
nothing there. It was there was
nothing on the side of her house to

432
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.960
climb on, to lift herself up
on, you know, anything. It

433
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:14.639
was just total, you know there
over there, nothing, no trees,

434
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:21.400
nothing, It's just totally empty.
So she got up, she parted the

435
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:22.920
curtains a little bit more. She
looked out. I don't know what she

436
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.519
thought she was going to see,
but you know, she just thought,

437
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.960
okay, I'll just look out there. Didn't see anything. Came back and

438
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:36.039
again it was really it was pitch
dark. I think that unless somebody had

439
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.360
a light on on their house,
there wouldn't be any you know, light

440
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:44.960
around there. And so she goes
back on her bed and she starts watching

441
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:50.000
TV again, and now this time
her curtains are parted even more, you

442
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.360
know, and she saw something again
in the corner of her eye, and

443
00:37:53.400 --> 00:38:01.639
she looked over and she saw this
face in the window about halfway up between

444
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.800
uh, you know, the sill
and where the second half of the window

445
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:13.199
meets. And she saw this face
in her window, and she was freaking

446
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.760
out. She called our friend,
you know, the guy that we knew

447
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:20.320
and she was friends with him as
well, and she said, somebody,

448
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.840
somebody's looking through my window. You
got to come over here. You know,

449
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:29.159
she was freaking out. So he
went over there, and you know,

450
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.840
he has he has a license to
carry. So he took something over

451
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:38.440
with him and he was looking around
the house in the backyard, just kind

452
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:44.079
of seeing if there was anybody there
that I was looking through her window.

453
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.199
Because he had no idea what it
was. She didn't really tell him.

454
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.960
She just said she saw somebody in
her window. So um, and that's

455
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.480
what she was telling me. And
then I said, okay, so what

456
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.920
did you see? She said,
well, she was and explained to me

457
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:06.159
it was really big. The head
was really big, face was dark,

458
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.199
she said, the hair was dark. But she couldn't you know. She

459
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.679
said, but I'm not saying that
it was a big foot. I was

460
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:19.079
like, okay, yeah, well, just you know, tell me what

461
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.800
you just tell me what you saw. And she said, I looked over

462
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:28.199
there and I saw this face in
the window looking in and it was you

463
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:31.039
know, it freaked me out.
And I don't know, I don't know

464
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:36.760
what it was. I called Ray
over. He looked around, and she

465
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.360
said, but I'm not saying that
it was a big foot. So she

466
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.119
kept she kept saying that to me, and I kind of chucked all that.

467
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.679
I was like, all right,
that's that's okay, that's okay.

468
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:53.119
So basically she explained or she um
was describing a big foot basically, but

469
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:57.599
she kept saying, you know,
I'm not saying it's a big foot.

470
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:05.880
She wouldn't sleep in her room for
six months after that. And then and

471
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.440
I didn't tell you this before,
but I think it was so that was,

472
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:22.079
oh gosh. I can't remember the
time frame, but her sons and

473
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.360
a friend of their sons was standing
out in the driveway. I think they

474
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:32.079
were smoking a cigarette or something.
And this was probably around five sixty six

475
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:39.119
in the you know, in the
evening. And now the research area that

476
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:45.159
we started to research in was across
the street from them. They live in

477
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:50.400
a very rural area. There's a
few houses on that road, but across

478
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:58.239
the street from them is a state
forest. So that's where the proximity is.

479
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.960
And that's her her sighting and her
what happened to her, the peeping

480
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:09.159
big foot. That's what got us
to this area. So getting back to

481
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:15.039
the suns and the driveway and their
friend, they were standing there just kind

482
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:21.840
of you know, shooting the breeze
and having a cigarette or something whatever that

483
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.079
you know, they were doing,
and all of a sudden, they saw

484
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:30.159
a big foot step over the guard
I think it was a guardrail or onto

485
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:35.679
the road, crossed the road toward
them, so it went from the state

486
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.280
forest over to their side of the
road, crossed that road and into the

487
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:46.079
woods. And they couldn't believe what
they were saying, and they quickly went

488
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.199
into the because it was starting to
get dark. They went into the house

489
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.639
and got flashlights and went into the
area where they saw the big foot go

490
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:58.039
in, and they obviously couldn't find
it, but they tried to go in

491
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.559
and see if they could find it
after that and they couldn't. But this

492
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:07.440
is the same house where she saw
that you know, uh, peeping tom

493
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:12.320
if you will, you know,
in her window. So that was pretty

494
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.800
interesting. So that's that's what got
us into this research area. We decided

495
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:24.199
to, um, just go there
and walk the area during the day,

496
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:29.920
get a you know, a lay
of the land. Um. We went

497
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:36.000
up to Uh, they do have
we up on the on the mountain,

498
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.559
on the hill, mountain, whatever
you want to call it, way deeper

499
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:45.239
into the state forests. Uh,
they do have primitive camping. So and

500
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.679
it's really primitive. It's not you
know, this isn't glamping. This is

501
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:52.920
you know, you don't have water
you don't have electricity any of that stuff.

502
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:57.679
It's just you know, you're out
there on your own tent whatever you

503
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:04.960
you know, hammock whatever you're gonna
do. Um So this area and they

504
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.760
do have a section where it's like
this kind of a I want to say,

505
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:15.280
for lack of a better description,
it's kind of like a meadow.

506
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:23.360
Right, there's just this really big
area where you can fit like a group,

507
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.880
you know, like if you want
a group of your friends or whatever,

508
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.519
if you all want to tent together, you can go in this little

509
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:37.360
meadow and has a in the middle. It has a fire pit. But

510
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.559
most of the time they don't care, you know, where you're camping.

511
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:44.880
If you want to go in that
section, you can go on that section.

512
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.920
But it's it's it can be you
know for maybe I don't know,

513
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:58.000
five or six tents, let's say. So we've been there plenty of times.

514
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.440
And off of that, they're trails
that you can take deeper into the

515
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:07.360
woods and we've gone on those trails
and they're they're single file, so that's

516
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:14.440
they're you know, almost like game
trails, but they're basically for if you

517
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.960
want to just walk out there and
uh, you know, see where things

518
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:22.639
are, see where things are,
and we've gone as far we've done in

519
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:30.599
a few directions just exploring. You
know, we went in this one area

520
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.920
that um we had to go over
a couple of beaver dams. That was

521
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:42.199
pretty sketchy. Um. Yeah,
so you're you know, you don't know

522
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.960
when you're going to fall through and
you know these so we've gone we've done

523
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.559
that during a wintertime and we've also
done doing we've also done that during the

524
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.039
summer. So uh, in this
particular area where we've gone over those beaver

525
00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.079
dams, UM, it kind of
opens up and we find we found,

526
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.639
you know, these little trails that
we could explore. One of the trails

527
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:10.000
and I think I told you there
were some boulders out there. You know,

528
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.599
these boulders were probably dropped in the
ice age, I don't know,

529
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:20.519
but they are they're situated, they're
pretty big, and they're situated where it's

530
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:24.519
almost like there's I think there was
like pretty sure there were three of them,

531
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:30.199
but they were separated, you know, so you could actually walk through

532
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:37.079
them to the other side and just
kind of you know, it's not very

533
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.280
long, but you can walk through
all three of the boulders, and these

534
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:51.519
boulders were gosh, I don't know, maybe twenty feet high. They're they

535
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:55.719
were pretty up there. And then
and then there were spaces between the three

536
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.599
of them, but not huge spaces, you know, maybe six to eight

537
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:05.719
feet between the two or the three
of them. So we've gone through there.

538
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:14.679
One of the times that we went
through there, just before you go

539
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:22.320
into the three boulders, there was
a footprint and this was I think it

540
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.239
was February. It was it was
February. I don't remember the year,

541
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:32.280
but it was in our couple of
years into our research. It was we

542
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:36.960
were having we were having weather where
it would get warm up and then it

543
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:38.760
would get cold, and then it
would warm up and then it would get

544
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:45.039
cold, you know. So apparently
one of these times there was a footprint

545
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.840
had stepped on it when it was
kind of warm. The ground was kind

546
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.880
of warm, a little mushy,
and and then it was hard. So

547
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:59.840
when we thaw it, the ground
was hard. I have pictures that,

548
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.400
you know, we took. I
could probably send them to you. Um

549
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:12.639
of this footprint. We had a
we had a teape measure with us and

550
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:19.480
all that stuff. How long was
the track when you measured it. The

551
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:28.400
footprint was I believe fourteen thirteen or
fourteen inches, and it was it looked

552
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:37.159
mm hmm. It kind of looked
juvenile ish, you know, how juvenile

553
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.719
If you look at a juvenile print, their prints are a little more narrow

554
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:49.480
than a full grown Sure, you
know, big foot. Maybe I'm off

555
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.280
the wall, but that's what I
that's all. That's what I've known.

556
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:59.159
But it looked like it was a
little more a little more narrow. But

557
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.559
I think the width of it was
about four inch three or four inches.

558
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:10.639
So, but it was the way
it was. It was crossing in that

559
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:14.840
uh, that one little space,
and it was very narrow. The rest

560
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.159
of it was pine needles and and
you know, leaves and stuff, so

561
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:23.679
it was it was a very narrow
path. And it just happened to cross

562
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:31.039
that particular place when the ground was
softer and left a track and it was

563
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:37.440
heading toward um kind of toward the
crossing, toward the boulders. It was

564
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.639
really close to the boulders. So
we thought that was that was pretty interesting.

565
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.760
Who's going to be out here in
February, you know, yeah,

566
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:52.199
barefoot? Barefoot, you know,
And it was clearly toes was clearly a

567
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.199
footprint, so that was pretty interesting. But these boulders, which was just

568
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:02.159
really cool. Um. We had
gone back to those boulders several times and

569
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:06.719
one of the times, you know, on the on the latter end of

570
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:13.119
that of going back there, uh, we had gone into the boulders and

571
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.880
when we went in there, we
noticed that they're in those spaces that I

572
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:24.840
told you were in between those three
boulders, there was twigs and branches and

573
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.920
just the whole thing. It was
almost like, um, it was blocking.

574
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:38.920
Those those spaces between the three boulders
just brambled. I mean it was

575
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:46.079
just you know, sticks and twys
just thrown into like this nakeshift blockage or

576
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:52.599
something. And we thought that was
that was pretty interesting. On both sides,

577
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.360
you know, of in between those
three boulders, it still had the

578
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.400
you know, the path going between
them, you could still go between them,

579
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:08.480
but the spaces between the three were
blocked. And we're like, wow,

580
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:15.960
you know what's this all about?
As we had never seen that the

581
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:22.880
prior to going there, and they
were always open and easy to get through,

582
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:30.400
but these this one time, it
was just blocked like almost like a

583
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.039
hurting situation, you know what I'm
saying, you want to hurt something in

584
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.360
there, and it can't get out. It only has one way in,

585
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.440
one way out. And then to
be uh, you know, up on

586
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.159
those boulders, I guess you're you
know, you try to think, you're

587
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.679
you're trying to rationalize what could this
be? What what could this mean?

588
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:57.719
You know, and knowing that their
big foot in the area, was it

589
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:01.519
something that they were doing, was
it, you know, were they perched

590
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:08.000
up on one of these boulders some
some other you know, big foot was

591
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:13.280
hurting maybe a deer in there or
something. I don't know, but it

592
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.039
was pretty interesting. And I know, you know, they must do things

593
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.760
like that. Animals do that all
the time, trying to ambush you know,

594
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:29.880
a deer or something like that.
So that was pretty That was pretty

595
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:34.920
interesting. Another thing that happened in
that area on the way to the boulders,

596
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:42.079
Um, we were coming I think
we're coming back, and I looked

597
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:49.559
across to the other section of the
woods and this was the weirdest thing.

598
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:59.880
The trees there was there. There
were like this line of trees obvious.

599
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.880
So it's coincidental that these trees were
kind of lining up. But you know,

600
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.000
again you can just look down and
see like several trees that were that

601
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:15.840
were in a row. Up in
the crooks of the branches were these long,

602
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:21.400
other long branches and it was high. It was high up. It

603
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:27.199
had to been about maybe thirty feet
up in the crooks of the branches.

604
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:36.519
There were these horizontal um tree branches
that were just in there, you know,

605
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:42.280
across and then I looked across the
other trees and it was the same

606
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:46.679
thing. There was this long tree
branch that was just in the crook of

607
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:54.360
the tree going there were several and
it was what how how did that?

608
00:52:55.199 --> 00:53:01.039
How did those get up there?
You know, sure, I guess people

609
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.440
could do that, but what would
what would the purpose of that be?

610
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.000
And out in the middle of nowhere, right that kind of stuff. It

611
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:12.119
just that boggles my mind because it's
like, it doesn't make any sense for

612
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:15.400
someone to do that in a tree
that's so high up, and just it

613
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.519
doesn't make sense, and like what's
the logic behind that? You know,

614
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.119
just it's very weird stuff when you
see stuff like that. Yeah, it

615
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:32.280
was really really interesting, and it
was in that same area, but I

616
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:37.000
mean, it wasn't close to the
boulders, but it was in that vicinity

617
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.039
of the boulders and it thought,
wow, that is and I'm not talking

618
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:49.360
you know ten foot branches. These
were like little saplings well that were placed

619
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:54.880
up there in this vertical you know
pattern, and I'm like, holy cow,

620
00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:00.360
what the what is that? You
know what? How it was boggling,

621
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.400
you know, it's kind of like
wow. Yeah, people need to

622
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.280
listeners need to realize that the county
you're talking about, Worcester County, has

623
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:14.119
some very wild area in it.
You know, I grew up in Northfield.

624
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.079
Yeah, my father and I we
used to go hiking in the Quabin

625
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.639
Reservoir area all the time. You
are out in the sticks. When you

626
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:27.400
go into the it's like you don't
mess around because that's a massive amount of

627
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.880
wooded area in many different forests around. There's just you've got to be prepared

628
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:37.320
so I can see how you're experiencing
these types of things there. Yeah,

629
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:44.039
it was really it was really interesting
and we've had we've had so many experiences

630
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.360
there when we went out, Like
I said, at the beginning of our

631
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:53.400
research, we would do the whoops
and you know, calls and things like

632
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:57.800
that. None of the guys would
I was the only female. None of

633
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.639
the guys would do that. It
was like a yeah, yeah, I'm

634
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:06.519
not doing that. That's that's that's
just too embarrassing for me. I can't

635
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.960
I can't do that. So I
would be the one doing it, you

636
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:14.159
know, I'd be letting out these
calls or whoops or something like you know

637
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:20.800
whatever. And it was amazing because
some of the time the whoops that came

638
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:31.400
back sounded like me. So yeah, we had returned whoops and the on

639
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.760
several occasions the whoop sounded like like
my exactly like my whoop that went out,

640
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:42.039
and one of the guys that did
you hear that sounds just like you.

641
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.840
I'm like, yeah, that's kind
of creepy, exactly like that.

642
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.719
So finally I was able to get
the guys to, you know, do

643
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:54.800
at least some I said, guys, I can't do this myself all the

644
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.199
time. Come on, you guys
got to do something. So my husband

645
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.519
started doing it, and you know, one of our other friends would try

646
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:06.559
it, but you know, they
it's so funny how they were. But

647
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:10.840
at any rate, um, were
you able to prove that the sounds coming

648
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:16.880
back to you were not like an
echo coming back? Were there absolutely not

649
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.599
an echo. Okay, No,
No, it didn't happen like right,

650
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:30.159
you know, I know what an
echo is. Um, it didn't come

651
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.760
back that quickly. You know.
It wasn't like you you let out that

652
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.440
yell and then you could hear it, you know it was It was not

653
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:46.360
even in that in that realm of
an echo coming back. You can't echo

654
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:52.320
there anyway, gotcha, gotcha?
All right? You know there's no there's

655
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.519
no echoing when you're out there.
You're in the deep woods. What you're

656
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:02.119
bouncing. You know, it's not
like you have a cavern or or a

657
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.360
you know, an open area where
you're just like, ah, you know

658
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:08.840
when you get it back. Um, it's nothing like that. So you

659
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:15.239
know it wasn't It was definitely not
an echo. But it's been you know

660
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.920
it was. I mean it was
pretty cool, but um, we've had

661
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:25.519
several things like that, you know, happen. We've also had coyotes go

662
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:36.960
off and you hear I'm I'm a
singer, so um I can hear tones

663
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:43.440
and hear you know, notes and
know how that sort of thing works out.

664
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.480
In my husband and else. He's
also musically inclined. He plays guitar

665
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:54.360
and drums, so he's got that
in he sings, so he's got that

666
00:57:54.880 --> 00:58:00.400
same kind of thing. You people
who are musically incline will understand, I

667
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.880
think what I'm saying. You can
hear when something's off, or you can

668
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:09.599
hear different you know, tones and
things like that. So, um,

669
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:15.119
there was several on several again,
several occasions, we will hear coyotes going

670
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.119
off, and not every single time, so let me be clear about that,

671
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:25.559
every single time pack of coyotes starts
yipping that we hear anything else going

672
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:31.719
on. But on occasion, there
would there would be packs of coyotes going

673
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:43.119
off, and you can hear something
distinctly. Hear it this long drawn out

674
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:52.320
a howl or you know, yell
or something that's kind of mixed in with

675
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.239
the coyotes. Really kind of creepy
when you're listening to it, because you're

676
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:04.800
like, whoa, that's that's something
different, and it's powerful and it's you

677
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.559
know, it gets this climate climactic
point and then comes down, you know,

678
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:15.039
so it's not like a uh,
you know what I'm saying, like

679
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:19.480
a like a coyote would you know, do the whole yipping and and and

680
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:22.480
yeah, they're pretty loud, but
uh, it's different. You can hear

681
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.880
it the way you kind of stands
out would it sounds like it might almost

682
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.400
be like an Ohio howell? Is
is this something similar to that? Or?

683
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:37.920
Um, well, I guess it
would be similar, but not exactly.

684
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:44.679
It's it's it's a little bit different. Um. I don't. I

685
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:46.480
don't know how to explain it.
But you you know, we could hear

686
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:55.000
it um amidst what the coyotes were
doing, so it was It's pretty interesting,

687
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.320
you know. Can I say for
sure that was big But no,

688
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:04.559
absolutely not. Can I say and
anything that we experience out there is absolutely

689
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:12.760
bigfoot? No I can't, you
know, but I'll tell you what.

690
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:19.320
There are some things out there that
you that happened to us that are just

691
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:25.159
unexplainable. You just can't. You
almost can't wrap your brain around it because

692
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:29.679
you it's like when people see you
know, when they see a big foot,

693
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:35.639
They're like their brain just can't it
can't wrap it. You know,

694
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.280
it's like what am I? What
am I seeing? I'm supposed to be

695
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:46.039
seeing this, you know, So
I don't know. It's just it's it's

696
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.519
just so different when you when you're
out there and when you've been out there

697
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:57.199
for so long, you know,
night after night, um, just hearing

698
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.880
these things or having these things,
you know, happened to you. I

699
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.880
was telling you before the reason we
got the H two. I was on

700
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:10.000
a we were on a group,
UM and we used to go out there.

701
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.480
I don't know what. I still
don't know what what we're thinking.

702
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:20.880
There's just been times where like we're
going to die, you know, what

703
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:27.360
are what are we doing out here? You know? Um our car,

704
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.199
our, car, our tent our, you know, I mean anything could

705
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:36.880
get rolled. We've talked about that
before. What if they you know,

706
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.480
decided to just roll our van or
what if you know, what are we

707
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:43.559
going to do. We're not going
to do anything. There's nothing we can

708
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:47.239
do, you know, but it's
always kind of there that something like that

709
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:51.639
could happen. And I know there's
people out there to say, oh,

710
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.719
it's not going to hurt you,
you know, it's just a warm,

711
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.679
fuzzy little teddy bear. Well I'm
sorry, I'm not on that. I'm

712
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:06.519
not that group. I don't ever
you know, tell anybody. I don't

713
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:13.039
care what it is. This is
something And again, what is Bigfoot?

714
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:16.960
I don't know. I call it
a creature. I call all these little

715
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.519
creatures that are out there. I
don't know what bigfoot is. I'm not

716
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:29.599
even going to go there. But
it's also it's a wild thing, you

717
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:34.400
know, just like any other wild
animal. It's unpredictable. I'm not going

718
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.360
to tell anybody that they're never going
to get hurt when I go out when

719
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.039
I bring people out there, I
don't know what's going to happen. You

720
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.920
have to be aware of that.
I'm we could come across a bear.

721
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:46.920
I'm not going to tell him that
bear is not going to do anything to

722
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:53.960
you. Um, I'm you know, I can't do that. I can't

723
01:02:53.960 --> 01:03:00.639
in good conscious conscience do that.
And I've thought, and I've done talks,

724
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:07.400
you know, at libraries and um, I've been on podcasts and things

725
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:12.199
like that. I'm not going to
tell people that you're not going to get

726
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.719
hurt. How many times have you
heard, you know, stories that people

727
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:22.400
have told you where they've been escorted
out of the woods by a big foot?

728
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:29.320
Yeah? Yeah, so you know
that we had a bluff charge.

729
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:38.159
Okay, this wasn't the runner,
this was a bluff charge. We um

730
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:44.519
we went one other time. It
was just Bob and I um doing other

731
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:49.039
thing. You know, we're listening. We get there and as soon as

732
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:54.519
we get there and get set up
and get settled, we just start listening.

733
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.159
And he had his H two on
one side. I had mine and

734
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:05.920
the other. And again I tell
you they're omnidirectional, and but if you

735
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:14.519
set them up in a certain way, you might not hear another section of

736
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.000
the area. And I don't know
how he had his setup. What I

737
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:26.119
usually do with mine is mine is
going vertically so that it's you know,

738
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.760
off above, and it can in
the way it's turned, it can hear

739
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.400
you know, pretty much all the
area. And I don't, Like I

740
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:40.079
said, I don't know how he
had a setup. But we're sitting there

741
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:46.440
listening. I hear these little,
you know, twigs, a little snapping

742
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.440
twigs on the ground, kind of
the thing, you know, like if

743
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:54.360
you step on something, step on
a little twig and you hear it snap.

744
01:04:55.079 --> 01:05:00.800
I was hearing that off and on
and again. When we go out

745
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:04.719
there, we don't go straight for
bigfoot. Not everything is bigfoot. You

746
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:11.480
know, I hate to break it
to whomever, but not everything is bigfoot.

747
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.960
We don't start off thinking, all
right, well, we just heard

748
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:16.960
that choice snap, So that must
be bigfoot. No, I mean there's

749
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:21.400
deer out there, there's little critters
out there running around, there's you know,

750
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:27.679
all kinds of things, all kinds
of night you know, porcupines,

751
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:31.159
raccoons, fox, all that stuff, you know, that are walking through

752
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:34.800
the woods. So no, we
don't go straight for you know, that's

753
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:40.559
bigfoot. So when we hear these
little snaps, you just kind of yeah,

754
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:46.400
you know, it's whatever, but
you continue, obviously, you continue

755
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:54.519
to listen and try to see exactly
what it might be. Will you ever

756
01:05:54.639 --> 01:06:00.360
know if we can usually tell if
it's you know, like a round accoon

757
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:04.840
or if it's a little you know, animal kind of scurrying around, it's

758
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:11.880
the same. It's the same sound. It doesn't really change much. You

759
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:16.480
know. It's when the big snapping
starts happening that you kind of get on

760
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:24.039
alert. Yeah, but so we're
listening and I was hearing it off and

761
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:27.960
on and kind of subtle, you
know, it's kind of subtle. And

762
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.760
when it first started happen after a
little bit, I said, yeah,

763
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.800
are you hearing that? I said
to Bob, are you hearing that?

764
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:39.000
He said, hearing what I said? I don't know. I kind of

765
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:44.280
I hear these every once in a
while. I hear these little twigs,

766
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.519
you know, snap, and you
know, it could be anything. But

767
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:53.280
I said, are you hearing that? Not really? I said, all

768
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:58.920
right, So this was going on
for a little while where I was just

769
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.719
kind of listening, and then a
little bigger you know, like a bigger

770
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:06.880
branch with snap on the ground,
and I said, okay, did you

771
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:13.199
hear that? He's like, not
really like what, I don't why are

772
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.320
not hearing this? You know?
And I said, well, then it

773
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:21.719
must be on my side because I'm
hearing something and I don't know what it

774
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:27.400
is, but I'm hearing something.
So again, a little while later,

775
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:30.039
a little time goes by and I'm
still hearing it, and I said,

776
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:32.639
okay, did you hear that?
He goes, yeah, I did hear

777
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:38.639
that, And so we're kind of
I said, I it must be on

778
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:42.320
my side because I'm I'm hearing it
a lot more than you are, So

779
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:46.840
I don't know. There must be
that it must be on this side of

780
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:53.840
the you know, the van.
So I sat there a little bit longer.

781
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:59.159
He started to hear a little subtle
snapping, and I said, yeah,

782
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.320
I said, I don't know,
Van, this is weird. And

783
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:06.199
and again this is all in the
H two. It might not be word

784
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:11.400
for word, but you know what
I'm saying. So all of a sudden,

785
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:17.319
Oh, I think prior to that, prior to that, um off

786
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:24.520
on his I'm just gonna get Bob
for a second. He took the dog

787
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:30.359
out when you figure perfect good good
timing, Bob, thanks for that.

788
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:35.319
Um prior to that, I believe
this. This was the first thing that

789
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:43.399
happened. Um, Bob carrys he's
back again. Prior to the snapping,

790
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:51.279
that tree broke, right, Yeah, so what happened with that tree?

791
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:57.239
Well, just a large tree went
over. I mean, prease go down

792
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.760
the forest all the time, so
no real credence to that, but it

793
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.359
did go over. And I made
a silly comment. I just said,

794
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.840
that sounds angry. I said,
if anything happens here, comes rout of

795
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:13.000
here. Something sounds Yeah, something
sounds rope tonight. We're just it was

796
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.800
funny that we said that. And
then a half hour later, Yeah,

797
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:20.279
so he had that crackling he said, if anything comes running toward us,

798
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:26.439
we're out of here. We still
have the runner on our mind, right,

799
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:30.760
and when we heard that that tree
come down and it was a tree.

800
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.640
Um, it's kind of sounded like
a like a dead tree, like

801
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:41.479
it was pushed over. And he
said, if anything comes running towards us,

802
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:44.720
we're out of here, because,
like I said, he still had

803
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:48.760
that on his mind. So it
was probably, um, maybe half an

804
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:58.239
hour after that was when I started
hearing the snapping sounds. And when he

805
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.640
started to hear it, We're like, oh, okay, so what is

806
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:09.520
that? What is going on?
And then all of a sudden, this

807
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:14.960
thing came running through the woods towards
us. I said, did you hear

808
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:15.840
that? He goes, oh,
yeah, I hear. I hear that.

809
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:23.520
And it was barreling for us.
This thing was bluff charging us,

810
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:29.880
and I said, light us up, Bob. Bob took the flashlight that

811
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:32.920
you know, that big being flashlight
that we have, and he threw it

812
01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:39.479
at me and he said, I
mean literally threw it at me. Look

813
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:44.159
out your window. He said,
yeah, scan, you know, look

814
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:48.000
out your window. And so I'm
fumbling with the flashlight and trying to get

815
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:51.760
that getting my window, you know, getting it out the window, trying

816
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:56.520
to look and I said, light
us up. So he and when I

817
01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:00.159
say light us up. I think
I told you. You know, he

818
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:08.600
puts on the beams and every everything
around us with you know, within the

819
01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:16.199
circumference of the light shine. He's
like, we're hoping to see something.

820
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.239
But again it was on my side, you know, and I knew it

821
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:24.760
was on my side, so I
grabbed, I grabbed the flashlight and him

822
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:30.319
looking out there, he has the
light on and right directly across from me

823
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.600
on my side of the vehicle.
And we always have our vehicle pointed out,

824
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:39.920
all right, we come in,
we turn it around so it's pointing

825
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:45.560
out. So we need to make
a good basket away, you know,

826
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:50.520
we're we're ready to go on this
crappy road, you know. Out so

827
01:11:50.920 --> 01:12:00.920
um, I look and there's two
trees thirty feet from where we are parked

828
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.119
on my side of the on the
vehicle, and I look out that.

829
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:09.079
I put the beam out there,
and there's eye. There's an eye.

830
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:14.720
There's something behind the tree. I
can see one eye shine, one eye.

831
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:18.800
So I see the eye shine and
it's an amber like an amber color.

832
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:28.079
The thing the eye was pretty good
sized, and it stopped running.

833
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:32.479
And this thing was this thing had
intent, let me tell you, and

834
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:36.159
we I forgot. What do we
call this thing, Bob, that's them

835
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:44.039
the creeper. I think that's what
we called it, the creeper, because

836
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:48.199
this thing was creeping up on us. It was subtly making these you know,

837
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:51.760
obviously it had to be you know, it was walking toward us,

838
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:59.239
but it was it was sneaking up
on us. And then all of a

839
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:04.399
sudden it's just started running, you
know, toward us at that whenever it

840
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:09.359
decided to start running toward us.
And then when we lit up and I

841
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:13.760
took the flashlight out, it stopped
right by those trees. You know.

842
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:17.760
We wondered, what would we what
would have happened if we hadn't turned the

843
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.199
lights on, if we hadn't taken
the flashlight out, would this thing have

844
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:28.880
you know, been on us.
I don't know what it's intent was,

845
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:34.319
but I don't think it was good. But it stopped and I could see

846
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:39.840
it. I could see behind you
know, again, there was a space

847
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:46.239
I think there was. I think
it was a group of three trees or

848
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:49.840
one that was split, you know
what I'm saying. So there were two

849
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:54.399
smaller ones on one side and then
one tree on the other side, and

850
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:58.159
I could see it was in between
the two and the one, and so

851
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:04.680
I could see one I behind coming
looking behind the tree, and it was

852
01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:10.319
only thirty feet from us, and
I was like, I see eyeshine.

853
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:15.600
Bob's like, what do we do? I don't know. He goes,

854
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:21.640
should we go? No, I
didn't want to go, but he's like,

855
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:27.640
I think we should go, and
so we ended up leaving. I

856
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.880
didn't want to go. So some
of the time, some of the time,

857
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:39.359
we'll bring little glow sticks, pretty
curiosity kind of lores, and I

858
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:43.000
think we I think we had put
a glow stick on his side and we

859
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:47.319
put one on my side. Was
on that crappy dirt, yucky you know

860
01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:54.960
whatever wrote that. We that we
used to get it in there. And

861
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.640
so when that happened and he said, you know, we're out of here.

862
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:02.720
Um, we ended up leaving in
it. And while we were driving

863
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:08.479
out, I still have the you
know, the beam on that area,

864
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.840
and I could still see the eyes
shine. We left and I'm like,

865
01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:15.199
oh my gosh, Bob, we
gotta go back. He said, no,

866
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:18.399
we're not going back. He said, it's only two o'clock in the

867
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:25.039
morning. We have the whole rest
in the night to you know, it's

868
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.720
only two o'clock. I mean we
have until done, you know. I'm

869
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:30.800
like, come on. He's like, no, I'm not going back.

870
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:36.039
I'm like what I said, I
can't believe we're leaving this early. So

871
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:40.680
I said, well, how about
this, how about we go back and

872
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:45.119
you know, well, because he's
still he's out there, He's like,

873
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:49.439
I'm out. So I said,
why don't we go back and see if

874
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:53.960
the glow stick is still there.
He's like, no, where are that

875
01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:58.079
going back? So we get to
the end of the road where we get

876
01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:00.119
to the paved road, and I
said, okay, how about if we

877
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:03.840
go to the right instead of you
know, to our left is heading home.

878
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.199
To the right, I said,
why don't we go to the right

879
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:11.680
and see if we can skirt the
area and see if anything comes out.

880
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:15.920
He's like, no, we're not
going or we're leaving. And he said,

881
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.039
if you want to come back on
your own, you can drop me

882
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:27.000
and Jenna off and just let me
know what you want on your let me

883
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:31.279
know what you want in your obituary. I like, NORMA went back yourself.

884
01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:36.079
I did. I so wanted to
go back, but I didn't end

885
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:39.800
up going back. Yeah, and
I was like, Oh, that's real

886
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:42.560
nice, Bob, that's real nice. He said, you know, just

887
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:46.000
let me know what you want.
And you know in your good that's good

888
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:50.239
nice. Do you think. Yeah, closest you ever got to a big

889
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:58.039
foot. Um, well, other
than the that Louisville hit in the tree.

890
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:04.000
Um, that's one of the well
that was that was probably the most

891
01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:13.479
unnerving because after that happened. Um, when we went back the first time,

892
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.000
after that happened, we were on
high alert. Yea, we were

893
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:23.000
on big time high alert. And
this could have you know, it could

894
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:27.520
have been just a rogue. I
don't know, um, because none of

895
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:35.319
the other incidences ever was threatening,
you know what I mean. I think

896
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:40.680
that they and this is this is
like a few years a few years ago.

897
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:45.640
Um, we never really had other
than that Louisville that hit the tree

898
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:53.159
um, we never really had,
I guess, anything really threatened us.

899
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:57.720
We've had rocks, thrown pebbles during
the night. We had one night that

900
01:17:57.800 --> 01:18:02.000
we went there and it was kind
it was kind of hysterical. I think

901
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:09.600
that it was a juvenile because it
hung around us all night and would throw

902
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:15.760
little little pebbles, you know,
at the enter vehicle. And toward the

903
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:19.119
end of the night I think it
was, I said to Bob, it

904
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:24.520
must be like, all right,
I don't know, I've had enough of

905
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:28.920
this. It sounded like it was
picking up leaves and sticks and stuff from

906
01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:33.359
the from the ground and just chucking
them out, you know, onto thet

907
01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:36.920
the towards you know, toward us. And I said, oh man,

908
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:42.079
this is really funny. And it
was starting to get a little bit lighter,

909
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.760
um you know, don don was
breaking so that's usually when we leave,

910
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:49.800
and it was just kind of funny, and I said, all right,

911
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:53.880
well, I think this thing's had
enough. So we went back the

912
01:18:54.039 --> 01:19:02.920
next night with my cousin who we
had taken I think he was at the

913
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:09.079
at the first time we took him
out, he was like thirteen, and

914
01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:14.279
he's been doing this with us up
and on for quite a few years.

915
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:20.600
So at this point when we went
out, he was probably twenty and they're

916
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:26.199
nineteen or twenty. And we went
back the next we told him what happened,

917
01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:30.000
and we went back the next day
and the next night, and sure

918
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:34.479
enough that thing was back again.
So what happened when we first got there,

919
01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:38.359
we got set up and this is
again, this is the exact.

920
01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:41.960
This is like a hot spot and
this this one spot that we go to.

921
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:45.960
We get there, we turned,
you know, the vehicle around,

922
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.920
We get all the H twos together, and everything all of a sudden and

923
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:57.000
we're listening out there and we could
you know, we hear the normal stuff

924
01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:00.600
and uh, you know, little
twigs and things like that. All of

925
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:05.479
a sudden, on our side,
on my side of the vehicle, a

926
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:13.000
rock hits the vehicle, hits the
door. Oh straight, hut. So

927
01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:17.239
we thought this thing was directly thrown
and hit the side of the of the

928
01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:26.600
door. When we listened back on
the H two, what actually happened was

929
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:32.720
it was thrown, ricocheted off that
crappy road and popped up and hit our

930
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:40.000
our door. That is what actually
happened. When we heard it, it

931
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:44.159
sounded like a direct hit, like
it was thrown directly at the vehicle.

932
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:47.960
And then again when we listened back
to it, it was it ricocheted off

933
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:54.039
the ground and popped up on her
on our door. And I sit so

934
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:59.479
we're like, holy cow, here
we go. And from then from that

935
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:03.239
moment on the rest of the night, it never did it again. It

936
01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:08.199
just was throwing little little pebbles,
and it would, you know, ping

937
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:13.239
off the hub cap or pick you
know, the side of the tire or

938
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:17.680
something, or it would land just
before us. But I'm sure that it

939
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:24.359
was the same creature. It did
exactly what it did the night before.

940
01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:30.880
And what was weird was and I
think I said to Bob, I said,

941
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:32.840
I think that was an oops.
I didn't mean to throw it that

942
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:41.239
hard, So I think, yeah, I'm sure these things are more intelligent

943
01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:44.039
than we think, but at any
rate, I don't think it meant to

944
01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:47.880
do that. But because after that
it was just throwing these little pebbles,

945
01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:58.399
then something even more strange happened.
Now we were only there that that night.

946
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:02.560
That second night, we were only
there for about an hour tops,

947
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:11.039
And what ended up happening was we
heard this thing on my side of the

948
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:15.520
vehicle, and I forget what it
was doing, but we got I got

949
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:21.720
the light out and started to look
outside my side of the vehicle, and

950
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:28.680
I'm scanning from left to right.
Okay, I can only go so far

951
01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:31.800
until I can't see past the end
of the van. But I'm out there.

952
01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:36.439
I'm looking and I'm as I'm scanning
from left to right, i can

953
01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:44.560
hear this thing running or moving walking
very fast away from the light. It

954
01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:48.239
was moving away so it would stay
out of the beam and I could hear

955
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:53.000
it. And I went as far
back as I could on you know,

956
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:59.279
to the back of the van,
and on the on the driver's side of

957
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:05.199
the van there this uh fire access
road. I think, I think it

958
01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:10.560
might be a fire access road.
But it opens up into this just like

959
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:17.560
dirt opening, like a I don't
know, like a just an opening.

960
01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:21.479
There's it's not grass, it's just
dirt, you know, trees all the

961
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:29.239
way around it. And we've been
out there several times too. But it

962
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:35.760
went kind of in that direction the
driver's court kind of diagonal from the driver's

963
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:41.479
rear quarter panel, if you know
what I'm talking about. And I and

964
01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:45.720
it just again, it just stopped. I shut the light off, and

965
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:47.239
we were going to see what was
gonna you know, what it was going

966
01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:51.960
to do. But I'm sure it
was it was getting away from the light.

967
01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.680
So it went across and it went
right in the back of the you

968
01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:00.000
know, a little ways uh in
the back of the van, and so

969
01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:06.079
we shot off the light, waited. We got a little few pebble stone

970
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:14.640
then all of a sudden, we
hear this metal drop. It sounded like

971
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:21.760
it sounded like if you were to
try, you know, waist high,

972
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.680
you were to take something that was
metal and drop it on a rock.

973
01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:30.960
Really it makes that king kind of
that metal sound, and we're like,

974
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:38.840
what the heck is it doing?
What what is that? You know?

975
01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:43.079
So then we get a little concerned
because we didn't want it. Okay,

976
01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:45.600
you got to remember that we thought
we got directly hit. It was a

977
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.840
direct hit, no hesitation. That
rock was thrown, you know, at

978
01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:54.680
the van. So we're like,
okay, what does this thing have?

979
01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:59.159
Is it going to throw that at
the van too? You know, I'm

980
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:00.680
thinking this gets this thing is going
to throw it at the van, break

981
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:05.520
our window or something. Who knows. Um. So we heard that and

982
01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:09.640
we're like, holy and again this
is on the H two. It's all

983
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:14.800
recorded, and it's it was weird
that that that, you know, it

984
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:18.319
had something metal, But it makes
sense at the same time if this is

985
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:23.159
a juvenile it's picking things up,
you know, what is this? What

986
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:29.760
is you know? And so it
dropped it, it dropped on it obviously

987
01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:32.680
dropped on a rock because it made
that kind of you know, metal hitting

988
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:38.279
rock sound. So we're like,
oh, well, I think it's I

989
01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:44.199
think it's time to go because we
don't want this thing chucking a piece of

990
01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:47.920
metal at our at our vehicle.
And we ended up leaving. But the

991
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:54.199
next day Bob and I went back
and, um, we wanted to see

992
01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:59.680
if we could find anything that would
resemble or set you know, kind of

993
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:03.079
make that sound. So we went
back and we looked around, and sure

994
01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:11.119
enough, we found this broken gusset
plate right right in the area that we

995
01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:15.319
heard it drop. So I obviously
didn't pick it back up, it just

996
01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:19.319
dropped it, and we did we
looked out in the woods in that area

997
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:25.000
to see if there was anything else
out there that it could have been,

998
01:26:25.600 --> 01:26:29.479
but it was right in the exact
spot that we heard it drop. So

999
01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:32.720
we took it with us, and
we're pretty sure that that's what it was

1000
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:38.560
that dropped. That it had dropped
on the rock, so we weren't going

1001
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:43.399
to stand, you know, stay
around and have the same chuck whatever metal

1002
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:46.800
piece that we didn't know at the
time, you know, at our van.

1003
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:54.920
So that was that was pretty interesting, and we've had, um gosh,

1004
01:26:55.079 --> 01:27:00.560
so many things happened there. We've
pulled into the area where we will

1005
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:05.000
pull in and uh start to back
up, you know, we'll pull in

1006
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:10.199
that fire that kind of little fire
road and then back the van up and

1007
01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:14.640
had you know, head it back
out. When one night as we were

1008
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:19.399
pulling in, Um, I saw
Bob's pulling and he's not paying attention to

1009
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:23.920
the front, you know what's out
there. I'm watching up front and I

1010
01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:30.479
could see this eyeshine out there that
was looking straight at the car and then

1011
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.720
bolted and it was up. It
wasn't low, it wasn't an animal.

1012
01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:38.640
It was you know, human height, and it just it kind of looked

1013
01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:42.960
at the vehicle and then turned and
bolted. You could see the eyes and

1014
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:45.720
then you could see him turn,
you know, the eyes just gone.

1015
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:48.720
It was gone. I said,
did you see that. He's like,

1016
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:51.720
no, what did you see?
I said, Oh, my gosh,

1017
01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:57.479
it was just right there. So
that was that was pretty cool too.

1018
01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:01.600
And then we started to or we
went. I think that was during the

1019
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:11.880
pandemic. When the pandemic happened.
I had I had broken my leg on

1020
01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:18.159
March fifteenth. I remember that because
I was teaching at the time and I

1021
01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:23.800
had a break after that, you
know, not a break yes, it

1022
01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:27.720
broke my leg, but I had
a span of time between you know,

1023
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:33.760
my next teaching and so um we
and then it was a week later,

1024
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:38.359
I think it was about a week
later when the whole country shut down and

1025
01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:44.920
my husband was furloughed. So he
was actually he was furloughed or he was

1026
01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:46.600
told not to come back. I
was the end of that week. It

1027
01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:51.000
was that Friday he was told not
to come back with somebody at his work

1028
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:56.800
had had COVID and they were in
the hospital not doing well. So they

1029
01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.359
had to clean the whole place,
you know that he worked at. So

1030
01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:06.840
they said you can't come in until
you know, Sunday night. So and

1031
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:11.119
then and then the country basically shut
down, and they said, you know,

1032
01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:15.479
everybody's going to go on furlough.
So we obviously I couldn't do anything.

1033
01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:23.000
He was he was furloughed. I
think I took another week to you

1034
01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:28.199
know, recover, and then we
were out there in the same research area,

1035
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:34.560
UM doing a lot of research.
Nobody was out there, weren't planes,

1036
01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:39.640
there weren't cars, there were there
weren't any there was nothing out there.

1037
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:43.840
It was so nice and quiet,
you know, it's just uh,

1038
01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:48.479
it was great. So during that
time, um, we noticed and remember

1039
01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:56.800
we have been there at this point
fifteen years. Fifteen years, yeah,

1040
01:29:56.840 --> 01:30:00.960
I think we're going on seventeen years
of research, so it was about fifteen

1041
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:13.039
years. And we know the area. We know if if the if these

1042
01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:17.199
creatures, these big foot, they
know our vehicle. Anytime that we took

1043
01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:21.800
anybody out with us that like we
did during the pandemic, they were in

1044
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:27.319
a different vehicle. We didn't we
didn't stay in the same vehicle. Bob

1045
01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:29.520
and I would be in one,
they would be in there. They would

1046
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:32.760
be in their vehicle and we would
have walkies to communicate back and forth.

1047
01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:35.960
They would have an H two so
they can hear everything. You know.

1048
01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:42.920
We gave everybody whatever their own H
two and we would listen. We also

1049
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:45.680
bought amplifiers for the H twos as
if we didn't hear enough as it was.

1050
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:50.439
Now we're really amplified and we can
hear, you know, everything,

1051
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:57.000
we can hear. I can hear
Bob's stomach growling, So that's how sensitive

1052
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:02.720
they are. So you know,
we're out there and we anytime we brought

1053
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:09.680
anybody in a different car, their
car would get would get pinged with pebbles

1054
01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:15.079
during the pandemic. They would just
throw these anytime anybody. It didn't matter

1055
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.319
who it was, didn't matter.
If you know, Fred came out with

1056
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:21.239
us, a guy that I was
talking about before. There was another guy

1057
01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:25.159
that came out with us in their
own car. They were getting pinged.

1058
01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:29.079
We didn't get you know, the
little pebble stown at us. They were

1059
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:32.119
getting pebble strown at them. So
they know our vehicle, you know,

1060
01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:39.000
they're there. It's it's it's the
norm for them for us to come out.

1061
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.960
They see us all the time.
We bring the same vehicle. They

1062
01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:47.680
hear our voices. They you know, they know who I think anyway,

1063
01:31:47.920 --> 01:31:54.279
I think they know who we are. Um So anything anything that's different,

1064
01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:59.399
you know, they're they're going to
be m what's this all button Sometimes they

1065
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:02.159
don't get going and for a little
while before that happens. But at any

1066
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:08.439
rate, during the pandemic, Bob
and I noticed that there was a little

1067
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:13.279
more activity around us, and it
didn't appear to be more than one.

1068
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:18.319
It seemed like it was like a
century. So we're like, wow,

1069
01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:23.079
this is so weird because this usually
doesn't happen. Remember, I said,

1070
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:26.039
you know, we go out there
and sometimes here, well, a lot

1071
01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:31.319
of times there's nothing going on.
Sometimes it is so quiet that it's deafening,

1072
01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:38.720
and I'd be like Bob talk because
this is like it's too quiet.

1073
01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:43.319
We can't see anything. It's so
black. We you know, we can't

1074
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:46.600
hear anything. It's almost like what
I gotta say something. So, I

1075
01:32:46.720 --> 01:32:51.159
mean, there's many times when there's
nothing going on. But during the pandemic,

1076
01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:57.760
we noticed that this what it seems
and I call it a century,

1077
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:04.039
you know, because it's around all
the time. It's almost like well we

1078
01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:10.279
didn't know at the time why this
was happening, but it would throw things

1079
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:13.479
at us, you know, and
it would walk around and a little pebbles,

1080
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:15.760
you know, nothing major, and
it would walk around. We could

1081
01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:24.239
hear it not and sometimes it would
get close. Sometimes we could hear as

1082
01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:28.439
it got close, we could actually
hear the footfalls. We could hear it

1083
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:34.479
step one time again it happened several
times. One time really stands out.

1084
01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:41.520
It's stepped. We could hear its
step step and then like a half step.

1085
01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.800
It was so cool, and it
was very very close to us,

1086
01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:49.560
almost in that area where you know
the Louisville hit the tree right, So

1087
01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:56.279
it was in that area, and
it would it would get close, and

1088
01:33:56.960 --> 01:34:00.560
we would just kind of sit there
wondering, Okay, how close is this

1089
01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:02.880
going to get? One of these
times, we're gonna we're gonna, you

1090
01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:05.840
know, put on that light and
this thing's gonna standing in front of us

1091
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:13.039
or on either side of us.
So, um, this was it was

1092
01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:16.520
getting close to us. So we
were hearing this a lot when we went

1093
01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:23.439
out there during the you know,
twenty twenty and nothing was going on.

1094
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:28.439
Like I said, the you couldn't
go in the state forest. People couldn't,

1095
01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:34.079
you know, they couldn't camp in
this rustic area because they shut everything

1096
01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:43.000
down. So there was no activity. There was no nobody, nobody bothering

1097
01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:47.359
them. And as it was,
this area is very remote anyway, so

1098
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:50.800
there's not a whole lot going on, you know, in there, other

1099
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:56.880
than some people maybe going in there
and doing a little bit of hiking or

1100
01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:03.840
you know, something like that.
Nothing major. So as the time went

1101
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:13.479
on, we also noticed that it's
it sounded like there was more than one.

1102
01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:17.680
It wasn't just a century anymore,
but there was always there was always

1103
01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:21.399
one of them really close to us. So it was like the century was

1104
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:27.319
still there, but there was activity
going around, going on, you know,

1105
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:31.479
a little bit further away from us. And I'm talking maybe again,

1106
01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:39.479
not like extremely further away from us. I'm talking like twenty thirty yards around

1107
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:46.039
us in that kind of circumference.
So, um, we noticed that kind

1108
01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:50.520
of we noticed that kind of thing
happening in that baby big foot. Did

1109
01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:55.079
I mention the baby big Foot yet? Was that so this is different than

1110
01:35:55.119 --> 01:36:00.640
the juvenile? Then? Yes,
yeah, I don't know big talk about

1111
01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:04.000
the baby big foot. Yeah,
the baby big Foot. Well, at

1112
01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:08.479
least we thought it was a baby
big foot or a very young, a

1113
01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:15.439
very young juvenile big foot. We
went there again, same exact location,

1114
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:20.840
did the same routine, and as
soon as we got there, we could

1115
01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:27.359
hear something moving around and I sent
Bob, I think there's more than one.

1116
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:32.439
I can hear things in different locations. You can hear it, you

1117
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:35.600
know, you know how that goes. You hear something to your right,

1118
01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:41.000
you hear something, you know,
to hear left off to the diagonal,

1119
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:45.439
maybe directly across from you. You
can hear different things. And I said,

1120
01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:49.840
m it sounds like, you know, there's more than one out there.

1121
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:57.279
So we're listening to all of that, it would get close, and

1122
01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.159
it would get farther away, and
when it got close until Bob light us

1123
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:06.720
up. And this happened, you
know, several times it would get really

1124
01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:10.600
close to us and said about,
well, it sounded like it was close

1125
01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:15.199
to us. Anyway, I think
it was it was staying within a distance

1126
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:19.199
where it couldn't be seen. And
I don't know about about you, but

1127
01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:25.079
in how you feel about this,
But there are people who think, you

1128
01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:28.560
know, there are some people who
think that they don't get on all fours.

1129
01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:34.359
There are other people who've seen them
on all fours running. There are

1130
01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:39.000
other people who've seen them do the
spider crawl, which I think if I

1131
01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:44.399
think if I saw that, I
would not go back into the woods.

1132
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:49.319
It would be that is creepy.
Yeah, I mean that is like I

1133
01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:54.399
don't know, I don't know,
I'm like hardcore big foot, you know,

1134
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:59.119
but dang that Olahoma, Texas thing. A lot of times I hear

1135
01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:04.920
those out there. I don't know. I don't know if I could go

1136
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:09.600
back out if I saw that that. It's just too much. I think

1137
01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:12.399
that's too much for my brain.
I don't think I could. I had

1138
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:15.079
to have nightmares. But you know, and I and I go out there

1139
01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:19.680
all the time, and we go
out in the woods no protection. And

1140
01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:24.800
I've said this to Bob before,
you know, what do we do?

1141
01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:29.279
And I had a talk one time
at one of the libraries. I said,

1142
01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:32.399
you know, somebody asked me a
question, you know U referring to

1143
01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.880
something like that. I said,
you know what, there's nothing you can

1144
01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:40.920
do. You just curl up into
a little ball and kiss your buck good

1145
01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:45.880
bye, because there's nothing you can
do if they decide to go after you.

1146
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:50.640
Nothing, there's there's you have no
defense. So unless you're you know,

1147
01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:55.880
have an elephant gun or something,
I don't know sure, but there's

1148
01:38:55.960 --> 01:39:00.199
nothing you know that you that you
can do. And let me tell you,

1149
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:03.359
it gets a little creepy out there. And I don't think I could

1150
01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:05.840
see if I saw a spider crawl. I don't, I don't, I

1151
01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:09.880
don't know. Maybe it would be
terrible, but it'd be kind of cool.

1152
01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:14.000
But it would also like give you
nightmares for yeah, yeah, no,

1153
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:17.199
but at any rate this you know, um, we're hearing this.

1154
01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:21.720
And I scanned the area. I
said, Bob, light us up.

1155
01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:26.880
It starts to get close, Light
us up. Because I want to see

1156
01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:28.920
it. If if it's going to
get close, I want to see it

1157
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:34.640
or that close. Anyway, when
we first got there, I scanned from

1158
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:40.880
left to right the area Bob's I
gave him the flashlight. He scans around

1159
01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:45.279
his area. So while I was
scanning left left to right. Again,

1160
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:48.880
this is almost the same distance as
as the bluff charge. It was about

1161
01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:54.920
thirty feet away from our car.
The only difference was it was thirty feet

1162
01:39:54.960 --> 01:40:02.239
from the passengers side rear quarter panel, so that's where the diagonal area was.

1163
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:08.439
But again very very close to us. So there were two trees there

1164
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:13.079
and a rock in the middle of
the two trees. The rock probably was

1165
01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:20.760
about maybe three maybe I want to
see three feet high, possibly a little

1166
01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:24.720
bit higher than that, but it
was in between, like I said that,

1167
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:29.640
the two trees. And so in
scanning left right when we first get

1168
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:33.600
there, and I see a little
reflection, almost like an eye shine,

1169
01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:40.600
And it was a reflection. It
had rained earlier that day, so it

1170
01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:43.720
could have been water. I thought, well, and I didn't tell Bob

1171
01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:45.479
at that time. I said,
well, it could be you know,

1172
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:50.920
maybe water on a leaf or something
like that that's reflecting. So I didn't

1173
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:56.479
think too much of it at the
time. And then I scanned back,

1174
01:40:56.880 --> 01:41:00.119
you know, right to left,
and then I shut the flashlight off and

1175
01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:03.680
we just kind of listened in it. Like I said, I could hear

1176
01:41:05.439 --> 01:41:11.359
a couple of things in different directions, so we're just kind of listening.

1177
01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:14.479
Um, it got a little close, and I said, okay, lace

1178
01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:19.760
up, took the flashlight back up, started scanning again, scanned over to

1179
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:25.960
that same that same tree and rock
area, and I didn't see that reflection

1180
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:30.439
anymore. I was like, okay, well, maybe, you know,

1181
01:41:30.439 --> 01:41:35.680
I don't know, maybe it was
a little animal and it was there and

1182
01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:41.640
then it just left. Maybe it
was you know, I don't know what

1183
01:41:41.760 --> 01:41:46.000
it was, but it wasn't there. So then again shut everything off,

1184
01:41:46.119 --> 01:41:51.640
and we're listening again, and we
can hear We still can hear this every

1185
01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:56.560
little bit, a little bit of
you know, span of time. We

1186
01:41:56.640 --> 01:42:03.800
could hear something moving around and it
would get close again, and I do

1187
01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:08.279
the same thing. It was like
every I don't know, ten fifteen minutes,

1188
01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:11.960
I'm like, okay, it seemed
like light us up, you know,

1189
01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:15.039
those things getting close again. So
I took the func light out again

1190
01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:21.760
and I stand in off in the
distance further away. It was probably about

1191
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:30.199
maybe maybe fifteen twenty yards from our
vehicle. In the woods, I saw

1192
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.479
some kind of eyeshine out there,
and I was like, now, there's

1193
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:40.359
no reflectors. Okay, there's nothing
on the trees out there. We've been

1194
01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:45.760
there a million times. There's nothing
on the trees, no reflectors or anything.

1195
01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:53.960
So I know that what I'm seeing
is something new. It's not you

1196
01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:56.880
know, I've never seen before,
and I always I'm always looking in that

1197
01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:01.159
direction. So I see something in
between the leaves, you know, in

1198
01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:04.079
the trees, and I'm like,
h no, wonder what that is.

1199
01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:09.439
Um could be an animal, maybe
up in the tree. I don't know.

1200
01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:14.520
I didn't really give it a whole
lot of thought, you know,

1201
01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:21.319
you always have that kind of mmm
wonder, you know, but I kind

1202
01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:26.199
of dismissed it, and then shut
the lights off again. And I did

1203
01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:30.279
go back to I think I went
back to the tree again, the rock

1204
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:32.560
tree, as I'm scanning left or
right, and I didn't see anything.

1205
01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:38.399
So shut the lights off again and
again. And this happened like several times

1206
01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:45.119
within the space of an hour,
maybe a little more more than an hour.

1207
01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:49.560
And again something's getting close, turn
on the lights, and it was

1208
01:43:49.640 --> 01:43:57.039
a it was a it was less
of a time frame. So start to

1209
01:43:57.119 --> 01:44:00.319
scan back left to right, and
I go back to that tree again,

1210
01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:04.920
and when't you know it, that
eyeshine is there again. That reflection or

1211
01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:12.560
reflective whatever it is was there again. And I said, huh. And

1212
01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:16.359
I said, Bob, there's when
we first got That's what I explained to

1213
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:19.119
him. I said, when we
first got here, I saw some kind

1214
01:44:19.159 --> 01:44:27.039
of a reflection, something that was
reflective over you know, by those trees

1215
01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:31.880
in that rock, and then it
was gone. So I didn't think anything

1216
01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:38.039
of it. I said, now
it's back, and it's in the same

1217
01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:41.079
exact spot. He goes, well, what do you see? I said,

1218
01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:45.439
I don't know what I see.
It's I don't know, it's it's

1219
01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:49.039
something. He goes, well,
what is it doing. I said,

1220
01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:55.399
it's just staring at the hug.
I could just see one eye over this,

1221
01:44:56.000 --> 01:45:00.680
you know, between those two trees
favoring. If I was to look

1222
01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:03.680
at it, it was favoring the
right side of those two trees, So

1223
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:08.279
the right tree and in between,
like I said, was that rock.

1224
01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:14.520
So it's kind of the eyeshine is
coming out by the right tree, and

1225
01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:17.319
I'm like, ah, what,
what the heck is that it's this,

1226
01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:21.560
It's in the same exact spot.
What are the odds of that happening?

1227
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:27.079
If it was an animal, it
would have been gone long forty five minutes

1228
01:45:27.119 --> 01:45:30.119
ago. You know, I didn't
see it. I saw it the first

1229
01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:34.800
time, then it was gone.
Then now I'm seeing it again and it's

1230
01:45:34.840 --> 01:45:43.359
in the exact same space a spot. And Bob's trying to look again.

1231
01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:46.600
You know, he's in the driver's
seat. It's on my side, like

1232
01:45:46.720 --> 01:45:51.560
I said, the rear quarter panel
diagonal to that. He can't even he

1233
01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:56.640
can't see it because that whole side
of the van is, you know,

1234
01:45:56.880 --> 01:46:01.199
blocking him from seeing it. So
he's so I'm giving him a play by

1235
01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:04.720
play pretty much, and he's like, all right, well, what is

1236
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:08.600
it doing? I said, it's
just staring at the light. Now,

1237
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:14.000
I had this beam on this for
almost five minutes. Okay, So we're

1238
01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:17.439
at the beginning of this five minutes
when I saw it again. This high

1239
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:27.720
powered beam is just reflecting or just
pointing to that area, and I'm looking.

1240
01:46:28.720 --> 01:46:32.760
I'm like, what is that.
All of a sudden, it goes

1241
01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:40.279
behind the tree, slowly goes behind
the tree and the color of the eyeshine,

1242
01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:44.840
and it was it was you know, around, but it was smaller.

1243
01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:49.239
It wasn't um it was an adult
size. It was smaller and it

1244
01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:56.359
had that had that that amber color, but it was a little bit lighter.

1245
01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:01.119
It wasn't as dark as I saw
the the you know, the bluff

1246
01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:06.399
charge one. It was a little
bit lighter and it was smaller. And

1247
01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:13.159
so probably the size if I were
to gauge it with a coin, maybe

1248
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:19.000
a little like a quarter size maybe. And so I'm watching it and it's

1249
01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:28.239
it goes behind the tree, slowly
goes behind that right tree. I'm like,

1250
01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:30.399
oh my gosh, it just disappeared. He goes, what do you

1251
01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:33.800
mean. I said, it's gone. It just went behind the tree.

1252
01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:39.279
It's like, okay, And then
it comes back. I said, it's

1253
01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:44.840
there again. It's back. It's
there because it comes back out again one

1254
01:47:44.960 --> 01:47:46.600
eye, it's like it's peaking of
you know, on the other side of

1255
01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:50.039
that tree. I'm like, oh
my gosh, it's back. It's it's

1256
01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:53.560
there again. Well, what does
it do when I said, it's just

1257
01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:58.479
staring, it's just like staring at
us, staring at the beam. I

1258
01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:02.680
don't you know, it's it's probably
like it's curiosity probably got the best of

1259
01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:08.399
it. So it's just kind of
watching goes back again and now it's gone,

1260
01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:14.399
Like I'm like, what are you
commentator over here? Watch this?

1261
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:16.600
Here it is. Now it's gone, here it is. I'm so I'm

1262
01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:25.560
back and forth and then it comes
out in their two eyes this time,

1263
01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:30.079
and it's just staring at us,
you know, staring at the beam.

1264
01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:32.439
I'm sure it can't see me with
this beam in its face, you know,

1265
01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:35.680
in its eyes. Maybe it could, I don't know, but it

1266
01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:43.640
definitely knows that we're there. It
can hear us. But you know that's

1267
01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:49.159
pretty obvious. And I'm I'm practically
hanging out the window, you know,

1268
01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:55.159
watching this thing, fascinated by it. What didn't you know? Okay,

1269
01:48:55.239 --> 01:48:59.800
this is the second I think this
was the second time we had we had

1270
01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:08.079
brought the night vision at night vision
binoculars out with us. It was sitting

1271
01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:15.439
right next to me, and I
did not get it because I was so

1272
01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.920
I mean, this is like a
rookie mistake, right, I'm like,

1273
01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:25.119
dang, what what was I thinking? You know? But again, in

1274
01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:28.520
my defense, it was the only
it was. It was second time we

1275
01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:30.439
only had it out, so I
wasn't used to it yet. I wasn't

1276
01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:33.600
used to having it, but this
was more. I was like, I

1277
01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:38.920
didn't want to take my eyes off
this thing for one thing. Um and

1278
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:42.760
I was just what I was fascinated
by it, and I'm like this this.

1279
01:49:43.159 --> 01:49:47.319
I wonder if this is a juvenile. It's just it's small. It

1280
01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:50.640
wasn't you know. When it was
coming in. It was just over that

1281
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:55.640
boulder or that little rock that was
there between the two trees. So it

1282
01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:58.800
wasn't very high. I mean,
I don't know how tall it was.

1283
01:49:58.920 --> 01:50:02.039
Maybe it was sitting down. I
don't know, but I'm like, oh

1284
01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:05.640
my gosh, this is And then
it goes behind the tree again, I'm

1285
01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:12.720
like, what the heck? And
so we during this time, so we're

1286
01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:16.479
heading now to the to the almost
five minute mark, with this beam of

1287
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:19.760
light on this thing. That whole
entire time. I didn't shut the light

1288
01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:23.079
off. I didn't, you know, I didn't move it. It was

1289
01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:26.319
right there, this thing coming back
and forth, you know, behind the

1290
01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:32.319
tree and stuff and there. We
didn't know this until after we we listened

1291
01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:38.520
to the H two, you know, when we when we got home that

1292
01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:47.760
there was a pretty good size branch
that was broken while while we were watching

1293
01:50:47.880 --> 01:50:56.239
this thing. Neither one of us
heard it because we were so fixated and

1294
01:50:56.560 --> 01:51:01.520
so, you know, mesmerized by
what was going on that we weren't listening.

1295
01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:05.600
We didn't hear any any of that. We didn't hear that that branch

1296
01:51:05.920 --> 01:51:17.960
break. Then probably it was probably
a few minutes from that branch break according

1297
01:51:18.039 --> 01:51:28.600
to the recording that we there was
a significant branch that was broken. I

1298
01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:35.239
mean, this thing sounded like a
little tree and we heard that that we

1299
01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:39.960
definitely heard at Bob's Like, what
the heck? He said, I don't

1300
01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:45.119
know. So we're thinking that maybe, you know, this juvenile was placed

1301
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:51.920
there to stay there while the parents
were you know, forging whatever they do,

1302
01:51:53.520 --> 01:52:01.319
because again we heard two different areas
where things were happening and were the

1303
01:52:01.479 --> 01:52:09.720
parents there was this that situation where
you know this juvenile was there because I

1304
01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:13.439
think I told you this before.
Deer will do that, right, they'll

1305
01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:18.960
take their their baby, their fun
and they'll put it in a place where

1306
01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:26.960
it's secure and covered and camouflaged,
and it stays there, it doesn't move,

1307
01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:30.800
and the mother will go out foraging, and that the little fun will

1308
01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:36.439
stay there until the mother comes back. Unless you know it's it's in this

1309
01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:41.319
dire situation where it's going to be
attacked or something. Then I'm sure we'd

1310
01:52:41.319 --> 01:52:44.920
get up. It probably wouldn't live
anyway. But it doesn't move. You

1311
01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:47.720
could walk by it and wouldn't move. And that's what happened. That's what

1312
01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:54.319
you know, the deer do do
the bigfoot do that? You know do

1313
01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:58.039
they say, okay, junior,
you stay right here, don't move,

1314
01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:03.279
don't do anything. You know,
we'll be back. I'm paraphrasing, but

1315
01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:10.640
you know, I mean this thing
didn't move. It stayed right there.

1316
01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:16.560
And when that branch, that big
branch broke man we were like Bob's like,

1317
01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:21.760
okay, they are not happy with
this light on their you know,

1318
01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:29.119
on their juvenile so I think we
better go. So I of course I

1319
01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:31.640
didn't want to leave, but you
know, I didn't want them to get

1320
01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:36.079
upset either. I mean, if
this is there, you know, their

1321
01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:40.479
baby, I don't want it.
You know, I don't want to stress

1322
01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:45.880
him out. So we ended he
we ended up. He ended up starting

1323
01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:48.600
the car and as we were leaving, I'm still watching, I'm out the

1324
01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:55.439
window beam is still on this thing, and as we're leaving it, it

1325
01:53:55.960 --> 01:53:59.720
comes out again full, you know, full, and I think it stood

1326
01:53:59.800 --> 01:54:02.520
up. It wasn't that tall,
but it was higher than it was before.

1327
01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:06.159
And I could see the two little
eyes, you know, watching us

1328
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:14.520
as we left. Wow. So
that was that was very cool. If

1329
01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:16.960
that was the scenario that was,
I can't imagine what else it would have

1330
01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:21.159
been. M you know, if
anybody else comes up with something different,

1331
01:54:23.159 --> 01:54:28.079
I'd love to hear that. You
know, that explanation. But that's absolutely

1332
01:54:28.840 --> 01:54:31.479
wild. I mean, the stuff
you have going on in that research area

1333
01:54:32.359 --> 01:54:39.319
is just incredible, Norman, and
thank you for for sharing your What has

1334
01:54:39.359 --> 01:54:43.920
happened to you guys so far in
that area, I mean, yeah,

1335
01:54:44.039 --> 01:54:46.800
this is this has been Yeah,
it's been an ongoing And then when we

1336
01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:53.199
moved to Connecticut, we still go
back there, um, but we're in

1337
01:54:53.479 --> 01:55:00.159
a different area now and we didn't
know anything about this area U but we

1338
01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:09.520
got permission to go on to private
land that also has a a protected section

1339
01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:14.880
of the woods that you know,
you can't hunt on or anything like that,

1340
01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:20.840
miles and miles miles and acres and
acres of just forest. And we've

1341
01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:28.560
had some pretty incredible things happen there
as well, and I went into it

1342
01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:39.039
very doubtful. You know, I
didn't know if only because the owner you

1343
01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:43.279
know, kind of told us some
quirky things that were going on there.

1344
01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:46.239
And we told them that we were
bigger researchers and would you mind if we

1345
01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:50.600
came out here? He said,
yeah, I don't care, but you're

1346
01:55:50.640 --> 01:55:55.800
crazy. We're like, well,
yeah, tell us something we don't know,

1347
01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:01.439
but I'll just one. We've had
some incredible things happen here. Now,

1348
01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:05.720
this is a place where nobody goes
to do this kind of research.

1349
01:56:06.079 --> 01:56:13.000
This is all private. It's private. His land is all private. There

1350
01:56:13.079 --> 01:56:16.319
are people that go out into like
on four wheelers and things like that,

1351
01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:21.479
but his his area, like I
said, is um you know, is

1352
01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:25.359
private. But you have to access
that road if you want to take four

1353
01:56:25.359 --> 01:56:29.119
wheelers out and we've done that.
M Bom and I have gone out there.

1354
01:56:29.239 --> 01:56:32.279
We've also gone out there and walked
why. I don't know, but

1355
01:56:33.239 --> 01:56:40.000
especially after what's what happened to us? Do you remember that movie us?

1356
01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:45.359
It's an it's a classic um Princess
Bride. I mean, yeah, that's

1357
01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:48.920
a classic eighties movie total yeah,
yeah, right, Andrea the Giant was

1358
01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:54.680
in that movie. Right, Oh
yeah, Andrea the Giant he yes,

1359
01:56:55.279 --> 01:57:00.239
yes, and you have the dread
pirate Roberts, and you have the other

1360
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:04.520
the Spanish guy and whatever. So
yeah, so in one of you got

1361
01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:09.760
to look this up to and maybe
some of your listeners can you can look

1362
01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:18.560
it up specifically this one part where
Andrea the Giant is off he's off screen

1363
01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:26.279
so you can't see him. The
pirate guy is running towards this huge boulder,

1364
01:57:27.239 --> 01:57:30.199
right, just him, and he's
running towards this huge boulder, and

1365
01:57:30.319 --> 01:57:35.720
you're just gonna sit in there watching
all of a sudden Andrea the Giant,

1366
01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:42.199
well it's supposed to be him anyway, physics. He throws that big rock

1367
01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:46.279
and hits that boulder. Scares the
heck out of you because you're not expecting

1368
01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:49.239
it when you're watching the movie,
right, especially the first time. Right,

1369
01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:55.199
But he throws that rock and it
hits that boulder and splinters, right,

1370
01:57:55.279 --> 01:58:00.960
it just breaks into a million pieces
and just misses that pirate guy's head.

1371
01:58:01.159 --> 01:58:05.600
We were out there one night a
friend of ours, a friend of

1372
01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:13.159
ours from New York had come down
and she was she's also into big Foot,

1373
01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:15.479
so and we were telling her some
of the stuff that was going on,

1374
01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:21.800
you know, here in Connecticut.
Yeah, and she came out with

1375
01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:25.680
us one night. We're sitting there
and we heard we kind of heard,

1376
01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:30.640
you know, a few things here
and there, but nothing really major.

1377
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:35.359
Started off like like it was going
to be a good night. And then

1378
01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:41.560
because we had been there prior to
that and had crazy stuff happened. But

1379
01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:46.000
this particular night when she was with
us, what we usually do when we

1380
01:58:46.159 --> 01:58:51.600
go to this guy's property is there's
a lot of rocks here. I don't

1381
01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:59.319
know, there's just tons and tons
of rocks and boulders and things that are

1382
01:58:59.359 --> 01:59:02.600
in the ground. I mean,
there's tons of rocks here. So up

1383
01:59:02.960 --> 01:59:06.680
up in his area, you know, he because there's so many rocks,

1384
01:59:06.760 --> 01:59:12.600
he borders. It's part of that
road. You go to this road at

1385
01:59:12.640 --> 01:59:15.600
dead ends and then if you go
to the right, if you go follow

1386
01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.640
that road and it goes to his
house. So we're far enough away from

1387
01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:26.359
the house where you know you're accessing
that road to go four wheeling, you

1388
01:59:26.439 --> 01:59:30.359
know. But we go in there, we back up, and we back

1389
01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:34.800
up to this boulder that's there.
That's about I'm five five and a half,

1390
01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:42.800
so it's probably about up to my
collar bone, you know, just

1391
01:59:42.960 --> 01:59:47.640
below my neck, and it's probably
about four feet wide. It's a pretty

1392
01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:51.079
it's a pretty good sized boulder.
So what we usually do is we'll back

1393
01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:58.880
up just in front of that boulder, and again we're heading out. So

1394
01:59:59.039 --> 02:00:02.159
we're there one night, this particular
night, it starts off really good,

1395
02:00:02.279 --> 02:00:04.840
and then it kind of peters.
You know, there's nothing going on,

1396
02:00:05.439 --> 02:00:10.640
and we're just going to talk and
we're listening and Bob said, okay,

1397
02:00:10.760 --> 02:00:13.239
well, how long do you want
to how long do you guys want to

1398
02:00:13.239 --> 02:00:17.279
stay out? It's about three thirty
when he says this, and we're like,

1399
02:00:19.800 --> 02:00:26.640
Bob is like three am. It's
like all right, Bob, Bob,

1400
02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:31.319
It's like it's three thirty am,
Norma, Oh come on, don't

1401
02:00:31.600 --> 02:00:38.520
you know he he knows we're staying
out until he knows. But if there's

1402
02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:42.079
nothing going on, you know,
and it's still the same with me,

1403
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:45.920
it's like, yeah, but there
could be right, Yeah, there's five

1404
02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:47.560
more minutes and there could something could
happen, you know, and I don't

1405
02:00:47.560 --> 02:00:53.479
want to leave until you know done. So at any rate, he's seeing

1406
02:00:53.560 --> 02:00:57.720
that to us, how long you
know nothing's going on? How long you

1407
02:00:57.760 --> 02:01:00.399
guys want to stay. So he's
said, oh, we'll given another half

1408
02:01:00.399 --> 02:01:03.760
an hour, litle butt. Four
He's like, all right, So we're

1409
02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:10.720
again just listening to things and we're
kind of talking. Just no kidding.

1410
02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:19.600
It was it was probably five minutes
to four and this rock comes out of

1411
02:01:19.680 --> 02:01:27.720
nowhere and hits that boulder and it
sounded exactly like that scene in Princess Bride.

1412
02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:31.640
Really it was so yes, it
was so loud, and you could

1413
02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:36.359
even hear pieces of whatever was thrown
hit the ground. And this is a

1414
02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:42.239
dirt, you know, rocky road. I mean, it's just to get

1415
02:01:42.359 --> 02:01:45.520
up to the where his house is. We don't know how he even survived

1416
02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:48.760
the cars that or whatever he's driving
survives that. I don't even know how

1417
02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:54.199
my vand survives it. But at
any rate, it's just you know,

1418
02:01:54.560 --> 02:01:59.880
rock and dirt. So you can
hear the pieces falling on the ground,

1419
02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:05.439
the ground, and we're like,
what I mean that was it's it was

1420
02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:12.680
ridiculous the power behind that and this
is no you know pebble that it threw

1421
02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:15.840
against that that boulder. It had
been a good had to be it had

1422
02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:23.479
to have been a good sized rock. It was crazy, so of course

1423
02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:29.520
we're not leaving now. We're not
leaving. We're waiting to see what else

1424
02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:32.159
is going to happen. And it
was right that boulder was right behind our

1425
02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:39.680
vehicle, so it very easily could
have hit you know us. It would

1426
02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:44.399
have shattered that back window for sure. So it meant it meant to hit

1427
02:02:44.560 --> 02:02:49.199
that boulder, because like I said, it would have definitely would have um

1428
02:02:50.760 --> 02:02:58.079
hit us if they wanted to.
But that was incredibly loud. And we've

1429
02:02:58.119 --> 02:03:00.159
had prior to that, We've had
you know, that cousin I was talking

1430
02:03:00.199 --> 02:03:05.159
to you about, he had come
up or come down to to go out

1431
02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:10.439
with us because we were telling him
the stuff that was going on. I

1432
02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:17.159
it sounded like a tree branch went
across the top of his car. We've

1433
02:03:17.199 --> 02:03:25.479
had weird things thrown at us.
That this is. This is not pebbles

1434
02:03:26.600 --> 02:03:30.239
like the other place. You know, on occasion at the other place and

1435
02:03:30.319 --> 02:03:33.800
mass we would get a bigger rock
thrown. And you can tell, you

1436
02:03:33.920 --> 02:03:38.479
know the size of a rock when
it hits the ground, that it's not

1437
02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:43.039
a pebble. It just you know
that it's a little bit bigger than that.

1438
02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:46.880
But these this at this place,
they they're they're not throwing little pebbles.

1439
02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:53.079
They're throwing like you know, baseball
softball sized rocks towards us, you

1440
02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:56.800
know, that are hitting the ground. And again they're not you know,

1441
02:03:57.199 --> 02:04:00.800
they're not hitting us, but they're
certainly coming us. And I said to

1442
02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:08.439
Bob Man, this is you know, this is uh some serious this is

1443
02:04:08.560 --> 02:04:14.199
some serious business here, you know, because they have yeah, they have

1444
02:04:14.479 --> 02:04:17.560
not. They don't They don't know
us, you know, And that's a

1445
02:04:17.600 --> 02:04:25.039
little unnerving because it's not like the
other place. They know us, they

1446
02:04:25.119 --> 02:04:28.520
know our vehicle, they know we're
not going to bother them or hurt them

1447
02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:34.039
or do anything. But uh,
these guys don't know that, and they

1448
02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:38.720
are they're all out. I mean, they're throwing I don't even know what,

1449
02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:43.279
but I don't know how it missed
us. And we went and this

1450
02:04:43.560 --> 02:04:47.079
was happening, you know that the
whole night there's we're hearing it. We're

1451
02:04:47.680 --> 02:04:51.760
gosh, she can't remember. Um, I think, oh, it's often

1452
02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:57.039
the distance we could hear prior to
this, when the other my other friend

1453
02:04:57.159 --> 02:05:01.039
was with us, we could hear
vocalizations. It was like, I don't

1454
02:05:01.039 --> 02:05:05.720
even know. It was almost like
I don't know what to listen to because

1455
02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:10.039
we can hear it over here.
We can hear it over there, something's

1456
02:05:10.520 --> 02:05:14.039
walking over here. It was crazy. That was the first night we went

1457
02:05:14.079 --> 02:05:16.119
out. The second night it was
when that boulder got hit. Um.

1458
02:05:17.399 --> 02:05:20.279
But you know, when we're out
with with our cousin the same thing,

1459
02:05:20.399 --> 02:05:24.239
we're like, what the what the
heck is going on? You know?

1460
02:05:24.319 --> 02:05:29.239
These these these things aren't nice there
they mean business. I don't know what

1461
02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:32.840
they're gonna do to us that they
mean business. Were you whoops or what

1462
02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:42.520
kind of vocalizations were you hearing?
Um? There were like um again similar

1463
02:05:42.600 --> 02:05:48.159
to the Ohio, except a little
higher pitched and longer. It was like

1464
02:05:48.600 --> 02:05:51.800
it's it wasn't so mournful, do
you know what I mean? The Ohio

1465
02:05:53.439 --> 02:05:57.760
kind of it sounds a little more
mournful. Um. This it's not.

1466
02:05:59.159 --> 02:06:03.199
It's not like that, um,
but it's similar. It's hard to describe.

1467
02:06:03.600 --> 02:06:09.079
But and then sometimes just yell he
just a you know, just a

1468
02:06:09.159 --> 02:06:13.239
vocalize it just yell or something.
I don't know what the back they're doing

1469
02:06:13.319 --> 02:06:16.720
out there, you know, but
we can we can hear you know what

1470
02:06:16.840 --> 02:06:20.319
they're doing. And once again,
it's all in the H two man.

1471
02:06:20.399 --> 02:06:24.600
You listen to this stuff back when
you're like, holy cow, and there

1472
02:06:24.640 --> 02:06:28.359
are some things that you don't hear. There was one night, oh the

1473
02:06:28.520 --> 02:06:31.479
night that we got the bluff charge. That tree okay, that tree was

1474
02:06:31.560 --> 02:06:36.319
pushed over off in the distance,
and then we had the bluff bluff charge.

1475
02:06:36.479 --> 02:06:40.359
In between, when we were listening
to the Age two, listening to

1476
02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:47.640
you know back, there was this
growl that I don't even know how to

1477
02:06:47.720 --> 02:06:51.520
explain it. Bob, he has
sonic hering. Okay, I turned the

1478
02:06:51.560 --> 02:06:57.000
TV up one little click and he's
like, you're turning the TV up if

1479
02:06:57.079 --> 02:07:02.800
he's sleeping, he's got sonic hering, know, And he didn't even hear

1480
02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:06.840
it. I don't know what the
deal was. But when we were listening

1481
02:07:08.239 --> 02:07:14.399
to that recording in between, when
the tree went down in the bluff charge,

1482
02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:18.720
there was this growl that was really
close to us. We heard that

1483
02:07:19.079 --> 02:07:21.800
on the H two. We were
listening to it and we're like, what

1484
02:07:23.960 --> 02:07:29.000
was that. Wow? We rewound
it, we listened to it again,

1485
02:07:29.920 --> 02:07:33.199
we backed it up again and listened
to it again. We're like, we

1486
02:07:33.319 --> 02:07:39.920
didn't even hear that. I mean, we should have heard that there was

1487
02:07:40.079 --> 02:07:44.439
nothing going on, so that we
couldn't hear it, or we weren't talking

1488
02:07:44.720 --> 02:07:47.199
or anything like that, because once
that tree went down, we were on

1489
02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:53.199
high alert. We were not doing
anything. We should have heard that,

1490
02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:58.039
and I don't know why we didn't. I don't know if it was infrasound,

1491
02:07:58.319 --> 02:08:03.119
I don't know. I can't even
explain it why we didn't hear it.

1492
02:08:03.560 --> 02:08:11.000
Yeah, so, I mean,
these noises now coming here again,

1493
02:08:11.239 --> 02:08:16.399
these noises that we're hearing, you
know, we don't. I mean,

1494
02:08:16.479 --> 02:08:22.000
we we've heard similar but we've also
heard these different noises and then you can

1495
02:08:22.079 --> 02:08:26.159
hear them walk walking or going through
the woods. There was one night that

1496
02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:33.279
we heard I think there was only
one there. This again, this is

1497
02:08:33.319 --> 02:08:39.319
in Connecticut, in that same location. There's only there. It sounds like

1498
02:08:39.359 --> 02:08:43.640
there was just one kind of hanging
around, not really doing a whole lot.

1499
02:08:43.760 --> 02:08:48.680
We get a little rock throne every
now and again. Then a little

1500
02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:56.880
later on we heard another one coming
toward us. We heard another one walking

1501
02:08:58.359 --> 02:09:03.880
through the woods coming to that area, and we're like, oh, now

1502
02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:07.439
it's going to begin, you know, Now the party's going to start.

1503
02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:11.640
This other one's coming in. I
don't know what's you know, we don't

1504
02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:18.600
know what to expect, you know, in this area. It's it's very

1505
02:09:20.079 --> 02:09:26.039
Uh, I don't know, what
did you say? Yeah, the owner

1506
02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:33.000
told us Bob had gone there and
talked to him. I don't know,

1507
02:09:33.640 --> 02:09:39.079
it was something totally different, but
um, he told Bob that a few

1508
02:09:39.199 --> 02:09:46.760
times on his front door he would
get these slaps, like five quick successions

1509
02:09:48.199 --> 02:09:52.960
slaps on his door, and it
happened. Yeah, and it happened.

1510
02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:56.359
And now he's got these huge dogs. These dogs, how where are they?

1511
02:10:00.880 --> 02:10:05.479
I forget the breed, but they're
huge and they're they're really furry.

1512
02:10:05.239 --> 02:10:13.720
Um, they're not seeing Bernard's Pyrenees
or something. Huge, huge dogs.

1513
02:10:13.319 --> 02:10:24.039
They're very friendly, but they stay
outside and they're on his porch. These

1514
02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:30.439
dogs did not They were in the
far end of the porch kind of huddled

1515
02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:35.439
there, you know, and they
didn't do anything. They didn't bark,

1516
02:10:37.159 --> 02:10:43.880
nothing. And so this happened several
times, and it happened the last time

1517
02:10:43.920 --> 02:10:46.920
it happened when well, I don't
know if it's the last time, but

1518
02:10:46.279 --> 02:10:52.399
when Bob talked to him, um, he said it happened again. And

1519
02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:56.119
he kind of said, Okay,
first he thought somebody was messing with him,

1520
02:10:56.439 --> 02:11:01.199
you know. Then he because he
would go to the door and he

1521
02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:05.000
couldn't find it. He couldn't see
anything. And this was early in the

1522
02:11:05.079 --> 02:11:07.920
morning. So uh, when he
was talking to Bob, he said,

1523
02:11:09.159 --> 02:11:13.560
you know when it happened that this
last time, he said, he got

1524
02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:16.159
up and went to the door and
again nothing. He couldn't find anything,

1525
02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:22.720
he could see anything. So he
he has heard things, you know,

1526
02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:30.039
he can't he doesn't know what it
is. And he hears I'm sure he

1527
02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:35.000
hears all kinds of things out there. He's he's on a lake. Um,

1528
02:11:35.479 --> 02:11:41.000
I'll with acres and acres of forest. This you know, it borders

1529
02:11:41.199 --> 02:11:46.039
the borders of Rhode Islands. So
it's again acres and acres on that side,

1530
02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:52.000
you know, acres and acres on
the side of Connecticut. Just nothing

1531
02:11:52.079 --> 02:11:54.640
out there. Nothing. Bob and
I, like I said, we took

1532
02:11:54.640 --> 02:11:58.359
our truck or four wheel drive truck
out there as far as we could go

1533
02:11:58.439 --> 02:12:05.199
because of it is really bad.
And then we walked another mile into there

1534
02:12:05.279 --> 02:12:11.359
and there's nothing out there. Talk
about being vulnerable, like we know what's

1535
02:12:11.399 --> 02:12:16.079
out here and we are going out
here with nothing. But you know,

1536
02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:20.000
harsh language, because there's there's nothing
that's going to protect us. If anything

1537
02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:26.039
were to come out. So there's
there's nothing out there, so what what

1538
02:12:26.319 --> 02:12:30.840
could this be? And again,
you know, with us going out there,

1539
02:12:33.399 --> 02:12:39.760
we have no clue what these things
are capable of or how they're going

1540
02:12:39.800 --> 02:12:45.079
to react each time that we go
there, especially since we've had so many

1541
02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:50.159
things you know, thrown at us
and aren't little you know, dear missus

1542
02:12:50.800 --> 02:12:54.079
kind of thing. So, I
mean, I don't know, I don't

1543
02:12:54.119 --> 02:13:01.399
know what to expect. We've been
doing this, um probably a year now,

1544
02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:07.840
so it's going to be it's going
to be interesting to go out.

1545
02:13:07.880 --> 02:13:13.359
We haven't been able to go out
as much as we've wanted to because the

1546
02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:18.760
weather has been horrible. We can't
take the H two's out in the rain.

1547
02:13:20.760 --> 02:13:22.760
We can't take them out if it's
windy, because you're going to hear

1548
02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:28.840
wind. You want to be able
to hear everything right that's around you.

1549
02:13:30.720 --> 02:13:35.560
You don't want to be surprised.
So we can't go out and not be

1550
02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:39.359
able to hear. And yes,
the H two will pick up things that

1551
02:13:43.119 --> 02:13:46.399
in between the sounds, but not
enough. You've got that wind blowing on

1552
02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:54.439
the microphone. It's hard to hear
if it's rained and you go out after

1553
02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:58.000
the rain, you're hearing those rain
drops are fallen off the tree. You

1554
02:13:58.079 --> 02:14:01.119
know, if the wind blows a
little bit, you just we don't want

1555
02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:03.840
to be surprised. We want to
be able to hear everything. Not to

1556
02:14:03.960 --> 02:14:07.960
mention you can't. You know,
you don't want to your equipment out and

1557
02:14:07.800 --> 02:14:15.439
you know rain. So we've gone
out a couple of times this winter.

1558
02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:24.479
Um, but again you know you
can't. It's so weather dependent unless you

1559
02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:28.960
even even with your naked ear going
out there. If you have you know,

1560
02:14:30.279 --> 02:14:35.640
a tree, branches knocking against each
other, um, squeaking against each

1561
02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:39.560
other, you can't hear what's around
you. You just don't want to be

1562
02:14:39.800 --> 02:14:43.640
surprised. And not just Bigfoot,
you know you're talking any other you know,

1563
02:14:43.880 --> 02:14:48.159
bear or any other animal that's out
there. Um, you don't want

1564
02:14:48.199 --> 02:14:54.079
to come and come into contact with
unaware or by surprise. So it's been

1565
02:14:54.159 --> 02:15:00.920
pretty interesting. So tomorrow night we're
going out to the mass location. Oh

1566
02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:03.800
wow, we haven't. That's right. You had told me that before,

1567
02:15:03.319 --> 02:15:07.800
oh man wild. So it's supposed
to be you know, it's supposed to

1568
02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:13.000
be a good night. We've been
planning this for probably a month and we

1569
02:15:13.760 --> 02:15:18.560
we have to keep, you know, not to Maron and I'm sorry.

1570
02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:22.920
Friday night, Um, we're going
out. Um we had to keep we

1571
02:15:24.039 --> 02:15:28.000
had to keep canceling because somebody else
is coming out with us and he's never

1572
02:15:28.119 --> 02:15:35.239
been out before, and UM,
you know we can't we you know,

1573
02:15:35.439 --> 02:15:39.079
you can't go out if the training, you can't go out all those things

1574
02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:41.520
that I you know, the weather
related stuff. Um, so we've had

1575
02:15:41.560 --> 02:15:46.079
to cancel. Uh, Friday is
supposed to be good, so we're going

1576
02:15:46.119 --> 02:15:50.439
out for sure, and we haven't
been there in a while, so I'm

1577
02:15:50.399 --> 02:15:56.840
curious to see what what's going to
happen. It'll be somebody else goes out

1578
02:15:56.840 --> 02:16:01.079
there. Yeah, it'd be interesting
to hear what happened. So you definitely

1579
02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:05.279
let me know if anything cool happens
when you go out Friday night. But

1580
02:16:05.159 --> 02:16:13.600
I will definitely will. This has
been just a fantastic chat about Worcester County

1581
02:16:13.680 --> 02:16:20.560
and Massachusetts and somewhere on the east
border of Connecticut. I mean, you

1582
02:16:20.680 --> 02:16:24.520
guys are doing some cool stuff.
And thank you for Sharon, what you've

1583
02:16:24.600 --> 02:16:31.239
experienced over the years you and absolutely
thank you for having us on that was

1584
02:16:31.479 --> 02:16:35.840
It's it's been really fun. I
can you know, I can talk about

1585
02:16:35.879 --> 02:16:43.639
boot before you go. Is is
there any way that people can keep up

1586
02:16:43.719 --> 02:16:48.280
to date with what you're doing with
Bigfoot? Or are you and Bob just

1587
02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:52.559
kind of in the shadows doing your
thing if someone pulls you into a podcast

1588
02:16:52.639 --> 02:16:58.239
and that's how we get to hear
about it. Basically, Okay, yeah,

1589
02:16:58.319 --> 02:17:07.079
we don't where where, I don't
know. We we don't advertise,

1590
02:17:07.280 --> 02:17:11.840
we don't you know, do YouTube. Um, we kind of just keep

1591
02:17:11.879 --> 02:17:20.200
to ourselves. But um, I
do have I do have a an email

1592
02:17:20.280 --> 02:17:24.479
if they do want to get in
touch with me anybody wants to ask a

1593
02:17:24.639 --> 02:17:30.760
question or you know, I'm not
going to give out the locations simply because

1594
02:17:31.600 --> 02:17:39.200
um, the way that we feel
about it is we don't want not everybody's

1595
02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:46.520
going to be um careful, I
guess maybe is the word. I don't

1596
02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:54.079
want anything to happen to them.
I don't want the area to get saturated

1597
02:17:54.280 --> 02:18:01.639
so that they lose their you know, the places they live because this area

1598
02:18:03.000 --> 02:18:07.360
and I'm assuming that the Connecticut area
is the same, but I know that

1599
02:18:07.520 --> 02:18:16.600
mass area we have activity all year
around, so you know, I it's

1600
02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:20.799
it's probably their base home area.
And I don't want them to be pushed

1601
02:18:20.799 --> 02:18:26.239
out, you know what I'm saying. We take people there that we trust

1602
02:18:28.559 --> 02:18:35.760
to not you know, have it. It's it's almost like, you know,

1603
02:18:37.440 --> 02:18:41.600
you don't want anybody to go in
there and ruining it for them,

1604
02:18:41.520 --> 02:18:46.360
for the big Foot that are there, this new group that moved in.

1605
02:18:46.760 --> 02:18:50.600
Um. Again, the last time
we were there, they were still there.

1606
02:18:52.319 --> 02:18:56.000
We haven't been there in a while, so I'm curious to see if

1607
02:18:56.040 --> 02:18:58.200
they are still there. But I
certainly don't want to push them out,

1608
02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:03.239
and I don't want them to be
pushed out from that area. They're happy

1609
02:19:03.319 --> 02:19:07.559
there, I don't. I don't
want anything to happen to them. So

1610
02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:13.040
that's one of the reasons why,
you know, we don't advertise or I

1611
02:19:13.120 --> 02:19:20.840
mean everybody you can obviously incognito or
you know, thereabouts or whatever it's in

1612
02:19:20.920 --> 02:19:26.639
this area right Um. But I
don't know, it's just we were very

1613
02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:31.840
protective of them and we don't want
anything, you know, to happen to

1614
02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:35.159
them. Now, the Connecticut ones, that's a whole different kind of different.

1615
02:19:35.200 --> 02:19:39.840
They're kind of different down there.
Yeah, it's yeah, it's no

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02:19:39.959 --> 02:19:45.319
whole bar bar there. I don't
know with them, we don't know what

1617
02:19:45.399 --> 02:19:48.000
to expect. Exactly. Yeah,
but if you know, we're planning on

1618
02:19:48.239 --> 02:19:54.920
again picking up as soon as we
can get out there. Uh and if

1619
02:19:54.000 --> 02:20:00.799
anything happens, I will let you
know, um my email. We're also

1620
02:20:00.959 --> 02:20:05.000
a metal detectress, so we've been
doing that for thirty some odd years.

1621
02:20:05.799 --> 02:20:11.920
So the email is coin Hunters two
at yahoo dot com, so it two

1622
02:20:11.079 --> 02:20:16.840
is spelled out two perfect, and
I'll have that in the show notes as

1623
02:20:16.879 --> 02:20:20.000
well. Definitely. But yeah,
they can contact you know, me at

1624
02:20:20.040 --> 02:20:24.239
any time. I'm not saying yeah, you know how that goes. I

1625
02:20:24.319 --> 02:20:28.159
don't check my email very often.
I mean, i'll check it, but

1626
02:20:28.200 --> 02:20:33.840
we've gone back and forth with the
whole email thing, so but I will

1627
02:20:33.959 --> 02:20:39.040
respond if they do, you know, send me an email, perfect and

1628
02:20:39.200 --> 02:20:43.000
real quick. Before we go.
Me talking to the listeners specifically for all

1629
02:20:43.079 --> 02:20:48.479
you New England people that are listening
to this episode. If you have bigfoot

1630
02:20:50.040 --> 02:20:56.440
things that have happened to you in
Massachusetts specifically Western mass or southern New Hampshire,

1631
02:20:56.559 --> 02:21:00.639
Connecticut. You guys don't talk a
lot, so I'd love to talk

1632
02:21:00.680 --> 02:21:03.079
to you about it. Please contact
me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com

1633
02:21:03.479 --> 02:21:07.840
or share it in the comments.
Norma it's been a great time chatting with

1634
02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:11.440
you, and I just interject yes, and I just interject one thing if

1635
02:21:11.520 --> 02:21:18.000
any again along the same lines as
what you're saying. If anyone want it,

1636
02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:22.879
is concerned about an area, if
they want an area of there's you

1637
02:21:22.000 --> 02:21:26.040
know, checked out, they can
also get a hold of us and we

1638
02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:31.719
will do our best to you know, see what's going on there, because

1639
02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:35.520
we've done that before too. Yeah, and again they can contact me through

1640
02:21:37.920 --> 02:21:41.520
the email. Well, we've been
doing this a long time, so we're

1641
02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:46.079
used to it. There you go, maybe too long. Well, thank

1642
02:21:46.120 --> 02:21:50.159
you so much for hanging out tonight, Norma, and say thank you to

1643
02:21:50.200 --> 02:21:54.239
Bob as well. Yes, thank
you so much too. You're at big

1644
02:21:54.280 --> 02:22:00.159
Foot Society. Article is to provide
a platform for those that have encountered your

1645
02:22:00.280 --> 02:22:05.680
bigfoot to share their encounter in a
safe and respected environment. But we need

1646
02:22:05.760 --> 02:22:09.280
to hear your story. If you've
experienced something that you just can't explain,

1647
02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:16.200
please send me an email at Bigfoot
Society at gmail dot com. Then we

1648
02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:20.520
can start the conversation. And I
know a lot of you have not shared

1649
02:22:22.159 --> 02:22:26.360
your encounter at all. It's been
twenty years and it's time that you get

1650
02:22:26.440 --> 02:22:31.159
this off your chest and then you
can get some well deserved for rest,

1651
02:22:31.319 --> 02:22:35.559
because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,

1652
02:22:35.920 --> 02:22:39.959
and I appreciate every one of you
listening. We hope to see you back

1653
02:22:39.079 --> 02:22:43.319
next week for another episode of the
Bigfoot Society podcast