Sasquatch Encounters with Norma and Bob in Worcester County, Massachusetts

0:02 And we're like, okay, this thing it sounded like a freight train was coming through the woods. This thing was looking through the woods. It was running so fast you could hear branches breaking. And as you're and it's coming towards us, and all you can hear is this thing running. And I don't know what made it stop, but all of a sudden, and it's getting, like I said, it's getting closer to us, and all of a sudden, it just stopped on a dine. It just stopped running.

0:42 And we're like, what the heck is that? You know? And we're kind of talking saying what could that be that would just stop like that. Today's conversation is with Norma and Bob, Connecticut Base Bigfoot researchers. We talked specifically about their Bigfoot research area that is based out of Worcester County, Massachusetts. They've both been heavily involved with multiple New England episodes of Finding Bigfoot and have helped a large amount of New England Bigfoot witnesses come to grips with what they've experienced in the Sasquatch phenomenon. I hope you enjoy this episode of Bigfoot Society and please subscribe and share this episode with a friend. Thanks for listening.

1:26 All right, big for Society. We had the privilege of talking to Norma and Bob. They are Bigfoot researchers from Well based out of Connecticut now, but they've also done things in Massachusetts in the past as well. But how are we doing today, Norma? Great? How are you? Oh? I'm doing good. I had the privilege of already talking to you a little bit. We had a pre interview chat earlier today and that was awesome. We talked about, you know, you've been involved with a lot of things over the years, pretty cool stuff being involved with finding Bigfoot over the years, and definitely it is great to start to know your background and almost you know, almost almost vetch in a little bit of a way. But what else do we have going on tonight for you? Norma? Well, planning on going out tomorrow night and doing some research with another friend and my husband. We haven't been out. We're going actually to the mass area where we've researched for quite a few years since two thousand and six. We had a little expedition there in two thousand and seven and it's been quite a active area, to say the least, and it's been it's been pretty interesting and

3:01 a lot of fun, but also sometimes it's a little unnerving, you know, when you're out in the pitch dark, because I mean, we're out there in the pitch dark you and I know it's cliche to say you can't see your hand in front of your face, but honestly, that's the truth. It's so dark. We just sometimes we're just sitting in the dark, listening to everything that's around us and hoping that, you know, one of these creatures will approach us as as opposed to us trying to draw it in, you know what I mean. So we're out there doing our thing, having fun, learning a lot, having other people that are new, you know, come out with us. We had this he's a really great friend now, but he I don't even know who introduced us, but he wanted to go out so bad. And we went out to this Massachusetts research area and we built a fire. I was with another one of my friends who has gone out with me many times, but he pretty much stayed by the fire. He wouldn't he wouldn't leave the fire. I'm like, come on, you know, come on over here. We heard we heard something so we moved away. We kind of walked away from the fire and he's like,

4:35 I'll stay here. So just my friend and I were kind of standing there and what we were hearing was whistles, these very light whistles, and I thought it was my friend and I had what we listened with is an H two recorder, so I'm always I always have it on and I'm always recording, and when we go out usually I have I have now I have like four H twos so that everybody can have one, and I also have amplifiers that uh connect to the H twos, so everybody that comes out with us is hearing the same thing that we're hearing. However, I only had one at the time, and I had it on and I was listening, and I thought my friend was doing it. I said, are you are you doing that? He said, no, I'm right, And I should have known, because if you've ever listened through an H two or I think they have new ones now my a minor. I love the H twos, but I think they have H N or h N two or something like that.

5:48 But you can't you you can't not hear everything that's going on. You move, or you or you brush your you know, your jacket, and it's like so loud. So I should have known that he wasn't doing it, but I had to ask him anyway, just because you know, you just I don't want to mess in with me. And he said, no, I'm not doing it. And our friend was sitting at the fire and he was hearing it too, So we ended up listening for a little bit and it was so it was so subtle and it was so close, and I think that's why it was so subtle. It was. I don't think it was meant to be loud. And when we when we heard it, I turned after we heard it, I turned the H two on. I was standing there for a little while with it recording and nothing was happening, so I shut the recorder off. I shut the recording part off and was just listening and it would happen again, and I was like, when you figure, so I'd put it on again and you know, nothing would happen, and then as soon as I shut it off, something would happen.

7:00 So that went on for a little bit and then we went back to the fire with you know this with this other guy. Since then, though, this friend of ours has been with us for quite some time, and he is a trip and we have such a good time. You know, when you go out and research, sometimes in the majority of the time there is nothing going on. You are just sitting there in the dark, waiting for something to hopefully happened, and nothing does. So it's probably, I don't know, eighty percent of the time nothing happens. So when you're sitting there, you're either you know, when my husband and I are are out there, you know, we we pretty much know how the two of us work.

7:55 You know, we know how we will converse with each other and we'll say, oh, that was an interesting sound or something like that. But when there's other people with you and they don't know what those sounds are, especially if they're new and they hear these things, you know, they're like, oh, what is that? So they step all over the audio, if you know what I mean. Sometimes you just have to stop and say, okay, let's just let's just listen and wait and see what happens, you know, and we're all kind of quiet, or if we're talking like this friend of ours, his name is Bred and he is a real cut up, and we are in there sometimes we are laughing and joking. And the amazing thing is that they age twos even though there's other noises, you know, especially when you're because we can hear each other really well, but when there's other noises, they kind of stick out. I don't know how that works. I don't know how it happens, but it does. And one of us will hear something and we'll go, you know, I just heard something. So we'll all like, just all of a sudden, we'll all just be quiet and listen, and either something will happen or you know, maybe it's another animal out there that we're not you know that we say, oh, okay, that was a coyote, or you know, maybe

9:26 a little chipmunk or something running around squeaking. So it's pretty interesting with him because he's so he's so funny, and he gets us all going and we'll be hysterical. One time we were doing that. We were in the car and he was but he was sitting in the seat behind us. And and this is what we do. I mentioned to you before that we have done in our research so many methods of research. We've gone out there and we have walked trails in the middle of the night until dawn. We have camped out, we have sat in the dark, we have we have done so many things. We've knocked on trees, we've made calls, We've done all kinds of things throughout you know, our research. And several years ago, um, we we're going out during I think it was probably in November when it was starting to get cold, and my husband and I decided that we're going to try something different. We're going to just drive out to our research area. We're not going to start a fire. And we've done We've done plenty of that. We've been a five degree weather you know, researching the

11:01 squatch or probably laughing out of saying, what are these people crazy out in five degree weather when they're you know, hold down somewhere nice and warm, they're not coming out. So you know, we actually with another friend of ours, my husband and I and another friend of ours, we went out and we did the whole I mean, it was again, we don't go out until late at night. We don't go out until like probably eleven or twelve. Steve calls calls it squatch thirty, so it's you know, twelve thirty. So we go out there and or we went out there. It was kind of he had a little pop up tent. He brought his grill because we sometimes, you know, you want to get those smells out there, maybe that'll draw something in and built the fire. Freezing cold out there, and we had and it started to like it was like a light mist, like an icing mist was coming. Was was starting to come out or happened, and we heard something and then we kind of just, uh, I don't know what that was. Me it was, you know, I don't know, I don't know what we thought it was. But when we had when we had driven in, there was snow on the ground and there were no other tracks going into this area, so we know, you know,

12:33 there was nothing else and there were no other tracks, like no animal tracks or anything like that. So we're sitting there and not fifteen feet away from us, we decided to get up and walk up the road. And as we were walking up the road, we're going back to where our tire tracks were, and we're following our tire tracks and we saw moose tracks in the snow. Wow. So whenever we briefly heard there was a moose and it was a pretty good prince these size this is pretty good sized prince. So it cried, it came through the woods, and of course, like I said, it was it was that icing was happening and we could hear it on the little awning that he brought, the little pop up tent or awning that he brought and h so that might have had something to do with it. You know, when other sounds are happening, you can't hear you know what you really need to hear. So um, we didn't. We heard something briefly and then that was it. But the moose came through one side of the road and through the woods, across the road and went through the other side of the of the woods, and we're like, wow, that was so close and we didn't even hear it, which kind of made us think about, Okay, had that been a big foot, would we

14:05 have heard that? You know, we probably wouldn't have. So it's you know, it's it's interesting these different scenarios that you go through. So again, we've been through them all. We've done all kinds of methods of you know, research, and the one that we tend to stick with and we do get we do still get out and walk at night and do things like that. I'll tell you one story that was kind of funny. But um, we decided to just go and sit in our car, put our H twos out the window, and just listen. It was freezing out anyway, you know, so we'll stay in the car. Hopefully we'll keep a little warm. We don't turn on the car. We just you know, dress warm, bring some blankets. Our dog always goes with us. She's been squatching since she was eight weeks old, so she's used to it. And we just all bundle up and we listen, and so many things. It seems like, like I said, we're not we're not bothering them. We're not out there knocking on trees. And I'm not I'm not saying that's not a good thing. I'm not saying. You know, there's all kinds of things that that we do as researchers, and that's fine. We've, like I said, we've done it. And on occasion we'll still go out there

15:35 and maybe knock on a tree when we're bored, like nothing's happening, Let's let's knock on tree and see what happens. Or somebody else that comes with us will say okay, well, I'm going to get out and I'm going to do a yell or I'm gonna do something, you know, see what happens, see if we bring anything in. So we'll we're okay with that. But what we generally do is go out and we're real quiet, hoping something will come, you know, to us. And plenty has come to us doing that method. So one night in the Massachusetts a research area, we were all sitting there and in our friend Fred, he's the cut up, he's such a great guy, and we are having a good time.

16:27 Nothing was going on, nothing, and we're just you know, they make up bigfoot songs to regular songs. It's really hysterical while they're doing that. And most some of the time I'll you know, I'll like jump in and do another sound but a song or something. But I'm listening, you know, I'm listening to what's going on. I'm listening to them, but I'm really kind of tuning into as those two. It's like a comedy show. So those two are going at it and I'm kind of I'm laughing along with them, but I'm listening too, and if I hear anything, I'll say, oh, I just heard something, and everybody would just go silent.

17:10 So it's almost like that radio silent, you know, everybody would go silent and would just be listening. So one night we're sitting there. We've been there quite some time. I think it was about I would have to say, about four in the morning, and it was cooler out. All of a sudden, they're, you know, they're doing their comedy show there, and I'm listening, and all of a sudden, I hear something off in the distance and Bob actually heard it at the same time, and we're like, okay, this thing. It sounded like a freight train was coming through the woods. This thing was looking through the woods. It was running so fast you could hear your branches breaking. And as you're and it's coming toward us, and all you can hear is this thing running. And I don't know what made it stop, but all of a sudden, and it's getting, like I said, it's getting closer to us, and all of a sudden, it just stopped on a dime. It just stopped running. And we're like, what the heck is that, you know, and we're kind of talking saying, what could that be that would just stop like that?

18:37 And then it just picked up and started running again, just as fast as it was running the first time. And then it stopped again, and this time it's closer to us. Fred sitting in the backseat. We have a Dodge caravan, so he's sitting in the bar. We took the middle seats out, so he's in the back and he's like, what what is that? So when it stopped the second time, then it started walking and it was, like I said, it was pretty close to us. And you know, the H two is omnidirectional, so it's sometimes it's really hard to pinpoint where it is. It's not like a parabolic you know where you can turn it and really zero in on the noises. But when you use it a lot, you tend to be able to at least gauge you know where it might be coming from. So well, at least, you know, my husband and I usually can can do that on occasion, you know, when we're hearing something that's really close and we kind of have to really zone in and try to figure out where is this coming from. So this thing was close to us and it was walking, and it must have been staying just inside the dark woodline because we we lit ourselves up. And when I

20:14 say lights, sometimes all the time my husband light us up. He's usually in the driver's seat. And what that means is turn on the headlights and see if we can catch whatever it is that's out there making that noise. So that's exactly what we did. We lit it up. Well, this thing didn't stop. It kept walking and it was getting closer to us. So we're trying to figure out where it is. Fred is He's like, this thing, it's really close. I said, I know. And so we're listening. And at one point you could hear and it wasn't a four It wasn't four feet, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't it, dear, It wasn't anything that was quad. It was something that was bipedal.

21:07 So he's kind of freaking out a little bit. And he said, and so I said, okay, so maybe if we started, if we couldn't you know, we can only see so far, and we have a high powered light, so I usually take that out and I'll be scanning. And I did that, but I couldn't see anything. I hate when that happens, but I couldn't see anything, and so I said, okay, if we turn the car on, maybe if we put the reverse you know, we have a dash camp, you know, sure, and I said, maybe a backup camp. So maybe if we put it in reverse, maybe we'll see something, you know, behind us. We tried that.

21:51 We couldn't see anything. Again, it's so dark out there, no ambient light, no any kind of light pollution, so it's a very very very dark. And once you get to a certain when your lights get to a certain point, you can't see beyond, you know. So um, then we put it in park and we're just kind of listening to this thing. This thing isn't going away, it's it's walking toward us. Now, how far was it? I don't know, but it sounds when you when you're listening to the H two, you can hear quite a distance with that H two, And so I don't know how far how close it was, but I can guestimate because of the sound and you know how clear it is, and it was getting close. So Fred, at one point it's like, what should we do? I said, well, let's just you know, I'm like, let's just wait and see what happens. I guess, you know, I mean, the thing's still coming and Fred is in the back and he's like, well, I don't know what you guys are going to do, but you better do something because it's right behind hind us. And that's what it sounded like. It sounded like it's right behind us. But then again, your brain, you know, it's you're kind of in that fight or flight right your brain is telling you something is behind you run basically, and that's the kind of thing that was going on, you know, with him it's right behind us. Well, we don't know if it was

23:22 right behind us. It could have been on either side of us. It could have been behind us, you know, could have been diagonally. I don't know, but it was. It was pretty close. And he was like, better do something. It's right behind us. So we decided. I kind of laughed, but and we decided to at that point to probably leave because we didn't know how close it would get to us. But man, I'll tell you that was an incredible experience because I never heard anything run that fast and stopped just like that. That was crazy. Did you have your dog with you at that time? Yep? How did your dog react?

24:07 She is so used to all the noises that we hear out there, and there are there have been a few times when definitely she has perked up. She will look um and she can't see obviously, you know, when it's that dark, but you can you can see her head turning in a direction where she hears it. So one night, another night, in the same exact location, five and I went out and she was with us. And I'm usually the tech person, so I get everything ready, you know, I get H two's ready if I have. We have a night vision that you know, I keep nearby that records. There's no sound, but it records and it takes still photos. So I'm the techie. I'm the one that gets it all together, puts things together, get them all started, give, you know, hand them out to everybody. And that's when we get there. That's what we do. And also when we get there, when we first get there, we usually do a perimeter you know, check just to see, you know, if there's any other animals out there, coyotes or you know, bear or anything or deer or anything like that out there. So when I get it together, you know, I'll give him his H too, and I have mine. So we just got we just got there and Bob had the window open a short amount of time,

25:47 just you know, he had about halfway down and Jenna, our dog, was she had that low growl. You know, she was embarking, but she had that low growl that she was looking directly out the driver's side into the woods and she was not you know, she was not happy. She heard something and Bob said, I hear something. I said, okay, well, I got to get things together, you know, I said, that's I just got I'm not together yet. I don't have everything on and ready, and he goes, well, I hear something and it's really close. I said, we'll roll up the window. You know, I don't want it to tell you. So I just got everything ready and then I handed it to him and he put it out there, and sure enough we could hear something very very close to us. We heard it very close to us on the driver's side, and then we heard something further off, but it was you know, a little ways. But this whenever it was that was very close to us, sounded agitated. It was moving, you know, kind of right in one area, if you know what I mean.

27:03 It was kind of I don't know if it was like moving back and forth or pacing or whatever. But it was kind of just you know, right there, and I'm like, Pop, It's like, wow, what is going on? And we hadn't been there what maybe I think the entire time we were there I was setting up, it was probably five minutes. I think the entire time was maybe seven minutes. When we got the H two one, put him out the windows, heard that the scuffling, and then all of a sudden, there was this huge whack on a tree. I mean, this thing was like it had some force, like a Louisville just hit the side of a tree and it just popped. It was so loud, and Pop was like, holy crap. It was right right there.

28:03 And then shortly after we heard another knock a distance away, and then after that one and I'm saying a distance away it was probably about fifty yards maybe forty yards, and then another one in between the two. Well after that, after that loud you know, tree knock, and it was a tree whack. It was so loud. Instantly we have that recorded on the H two. Everything was recorded on the H two. I usually one of them, the H two's is usually recording, and it's usually mine because they don't know how to work them. So I just I record on mine, but you can still set it up so you can listen without recording, so mine is recording. There's are just on you know, listen. But man, he was like, they, you know, they are not happy. I think we came in on a maybe a hunt or something. Maybe they were hunting, and we interrupted, you know, whatever it was they were doing, but that it did not want us there. And that has to be probably in the gosh, how many years we've been probably I think we're sixteen years in research. I've never heard another one like that since it was so

29:33 loud. It's it's almost like when lightning hits a tree, you know, it's a really loud pop. So that was pretty interesting. So we weren't there very long. We actually thought it probably would be best to at least the area since they were right there. So that was another one. But that, you know, our dog she has she has perked up a couple of times and we watch her. Usually we'll watch her and we'll listen if she does that low growl, you know, it's it's we know something is up. But most of the time she's pretty she's pretty calm, and I know a lot of people you know, say Bigfoot don't like dogs or dogs, you know, power and all of that stuff. Um, I think it's because she was so young when we started this that maybe she's just used to it. We used to put her in a backpack and take her hiking level, so she's you know, she's hiking as far as like research Bigfoot, you know, in the woods, kind of at night hiking. We don't we don't we don't keep her on a leash, you know, because we don't want anything to happen to her. Sure if anything we're you know, to uh, confront us or something, we don't want anything to happen to her. So we we usually put her in a you know, a backpack, her little head sticking out if it's warm out it's a mesh you

31:07 know, backpack. So she's pretty cool. Um, but I think she's just so used to it that she doesn't affect her, doesn't bother her. I mean again, there are times when she does. There are times when she's perking up and she's looking straight out the window. She looks like a pointer, and she's just a little jack russell and and she's, uh, it's pretty interesting when she does that, because then we're kind of on high alert. After that, we call it the runner after the runner. Um, you know, we were pretty pretty alert, wondering if it was probably just a one time you know something, maybe it was going through the area.

31:52 I don't know what it was doing, but it was crazy. I mean, have I don't know, have you ever heard of that where it just stops on a time? I have heard running that bath Yeah different. I've heard different accounts where you know, kind of mentioned as a as a bluff charge, where you know, they'll they'll run quickly towards a person through the woods, is taken down all sorts of trees, and then kind of stop because they're they're trying to get the person. What most people say, they're trying to get the person to run away right to get out of their area. Now, we don't know that for sure because we can't talk to them, but like that's if you look at eight behavior, I mean, potentially kind of similar. But Um, there's a there's a question that probably a lot of listeners have in their head right now, So I'm going to ask it. Um. And so we've established we're in Massachusetts, right and I'm excited for this interview, because you know, I spent the first twenty so years of my life out there in western Massachusetts and little town called Northfield, beautiful town. Yep, there's there's a lot of Yeah, we weren't far from Northfield, Yeah, exactly. We chatted about that. The thing about Massachusetts, there's a lot of different regions, right. There's you've got the Berkshires, You've got October Mountain out there, You've got the Bridgewater Triangle, You've got Franklin County, you've got Boston, You've got Cape cut all

33:22 over the place, right And I don't, I don't. Is there any context you might be able to give about maybe what kind of region we're talking about when we talk about this area that you're you're focusing in. I don't want to push anything, but no, this is in uh Worcester County. Ah, so it's out in the Worcester County area. So Franklin County is where we were from, and um we went. You know, the reason we got to this location, this specific location, was because a woman, a friend of ours. Um, he found out that we were uh that we did big research and he said, well, you know, I have a friend who might have seen a big foot outside of her window. I said, really, okay, well she talk to us, and he said, well, I'll ask her if she'll, you know, if she'll talk to you about it, and I said okay, I said, okay, that'd be great. So I was able to talk to her. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, No, that's a that's our other dog. She's a little um. We live out in the woods, so there's all kinds of things out here, and so um, I lost my train of thought.

34:51 Oh, so I was. I was able to call her and talk to her about it. And while I was talking to her about her I don't when I interview people, and I've interviewed a few people, you know, over the years, and I don't lead them. I don't want to ask leading questions. I don't want to say, Okay, what was the was the hair that you saw brown? You know, you don't want to say that because yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was brown. You're just ask them what they saw. And that's exactly what I did with her. So, what happened that, you know that night? Tell me what happened? And so she told she told me that she was on her bed watching TV. It was about two o'clock in the morning. She's just like it was a summer night and she was just like I said, watching TV. Her curtains on her window were parted, and it was probably there was a space in between, you know, one curtain one curtain from the other, probably about eight or twelve inch space between the two curtains that you know, you could see outside. And it was, like I said, two o'clock in the morning, so it's pretty dark out there, and just happened to see something out of the corner of her eye. So she looked over and she didn't see anything. It's like, okay, well whatever.

36:25 Then she decided to get up in part the curtains and look outside, and she obviously didn't see anything because it was dark. And the distance because we went over there and actually looked at the house and looked at the window. The distance from the ground to the window or the it's a double hung window, so there's a top and bottom right and the bottom part of the window from the ground was over eight tall, eight feet high, and there was nothing there. It was there was nothing on the side of her house to climb on, to lift herself up on, you know, anything. It was just total, you know there over there, nothing, no trees, nothing, It's just totally empty. So she got up, she parted the curtains a little bit more. She looked out. I don't know what she thought she was going to see, but you know, she just thought, okay, I'll just look out there. Didn't see anything. Came back and again it was really it was pitch dark. I think that unless somebody had a light on on their house, there wouldn't be any you know, light around there. And so she goes back on her bed and she starts watching TV again, and now this time her curtains are parted even more, you know, and she saw something again in the corner of her eye, and she looked over and she saw this face in the window about halfway up between

38:02 uh, you know, the sill and where the second half of the window meets. And she saw this face in her window, and she was freaking out. She called our friend, you know, the guy that we knew and she was friends with him as well, and she said, somebody, somebody's looking through my window. You got to come over here. You know, she was freaking out. So he went over there, and you know, he has he has a license to carry. So he took something over with him and he was looking around the house in the backyard, just kind of seeing if there was anybody there that I was looking through her window.

38:44 Because he had no idea what it was. She didn't really tell him. She just said she saw somebody in her window. So um, and that's what she was telling me. And then I said, okay, so what did you see? She said, well, she was and explained to me it was really big. The head was really big, face was dark, she said, the hair was dark. But she couldn't you know. She said, but I'm not saying that it was a big foot. I was like, okay, yeah, well, just you know, tell me what you just tell me what you saw. And she said, I looked over there and I saw this face in the window looking in and it was you know, it freaked me out. And I don't know, I don't know what it was. I called Ray over. He looked around, and she said, but I'm not saying that it was a big foot. So she kept she kept saying that to me, and I kind of chucked all that.

39:43 I was like, all right, that's that's okay, that's okay. So basically she explained or she um was describing a big foot basically, but she kept saying, you know, I'm not saying it's a big foot. She wouldn't sleep in her room for six months after that. And then and I didn't tell you this before, but I think it was so that was, oh gosh. I can't remember the time frame, but her sons and a friend of their sons was standing out in the driveway. I think they were smoking a cigarette or something. And this was probably around five sixty six in the you know, in the evening. And now the research area that we started to research in was across the street from them. They live in a very rural area. There's a few houses on that road, but across the street from them is a state forest. So that's where the proximity is.

40:58 And that's her her sighting and her what happened to her, the peeping big foot. That's what got us to this area. So getting back to the suns and the driveway and their friend, they were standing there just kind of you know, shooting the breeze and having a cigarette or something whatever that you know, they were doing, and all of a sudden, they saw a big foot step over the guard I think it was a guardrail or onto the road, crossed the road toward them, so it went from the state forest over to their side of the road, crossed that road and into the woods. And they couldn't believe what they were saying, and they quickly went into the because it was starting to get dark. They went into the house and got flashlights and went into the area where they saw the big foot go in, and they obviously couldn't find it, but they tried to go in and see if they could find it after that and they couldn't. But this is the same house where she saw that you know, uh, peeping tom if you will, you know, in her window. So that was pretty interesting. So that's that's what got us into this research area. We decided to, um, just go there and walk the area during the day, get a you know, a lay of the land. Um. We went

42:30 up to Uh, they do have we up on the on the mountain, on the hill, mountain, whatever you want to call it, way deeper into the state forests. Uh, they do have primitive camping. So and it's really primitive. It's not you know, this isn't glamping. This is you know, you don't have water you don't have electricity any of that stuff. It's just you know, you're out there on your own tent whatever you you know, hammock whatever you're gonna do. Um So this area and they do have a section where it's like this kind of a I want to say, for lack of a better description, it's kind of like a meadow.

43:15 Right, there's just this really big area where you can fit like a group, you know, like if you want a group of your friends or whatever, if you all want to tent together, you can go in this little meadow and has a in the middle. It has a fire pit. But most of the time they don't care, you know, where you're camping. If you want to go in that section, you can go on that section. But it's it's it can be you know for maybe I don't know, five or six tents, let's say. So we've been there plenty of times.

43:58 And off of that, they're trails that you can take deeper into the woods and we've gone on those trails and they're they're single file, so that's they're you know, almost like game trails, but they're basically for if you want to just walk out there and uh, you know, see where things are, see where things are, and we've gone as far we've done in a few directions just exploring. You know, we went in this one area that um we had to go over a couple of beaver dams. That was pretty sketchy. Um. Yeah, so you're you know, you don't know when you're going to fall through and you know these so we've gone we've done that during a wintertime and we've also done doing we've also done that during the summer. So uh, in this particular area where we've gone over those beaver dams, UM, it kind of opens up and we find we found, you know, these little trails that we could explore. One of the trails and I think I told you there were some boulders out there. You know, these boulders were probably dropped in the ice age, I don't know, but they are they're situated, they're pretty big, and they're situated where it's almost like there's I think there was like pretty sure there were three of them, but they were separated, you know, so you could actually walk through

45:30 them to the other side and just kind of you know, it's not very long, but you can walk through all three of the boulders, and these boulders were gosh, I don't know, maybe twenty feet high. They're they were pretty up there. And then and then there were spaces between the three of them, but not huge spaces, you know, maybe six to eight feet between the two or the three of them. So we've gone through there. One of the times that we went through there, just before you go into the three boulders, there was a footprint and this was I think it was February. It was it was February. I don't remember the year, but it was in our couple of years into our research. It was we were having we were having weather where it would get warm up and then it would get cold, and then it would warm up and then it would get cold, you know. So apparently one of these times there was a footprint had stepped on it when it was kind of warm. The ground was kind of warm, a little mushy, and and then it was hard. So when we thaw it, the ground was hard. I have pictures that, you know, we took. I could probably send them to you. Um

47:02 of this footprint. We had a we had a teape measure with us and all that stuff. How long was the track when you measured it. The footprint was I believe fourteen thirteen or fourteen inches, and it was it looked mm hmm. It kind of looked juvenile ish, you know, how juvenile If you look at a juvenile print, their prints are a little more narrow than a full grown Sure, you know, big foot. Maybe I'm off the wall, but that's what I that's all. That's what I've known.

47:53 But it looked like it was a little more a little more narrow. But I think the width of it was about four inch three or four inches. So, but it was the way it was. It was crossing in that uh, that one little space, and it was very narrow. The rest of it was pine needles and and you know, leaves and stuff, so it was it was a very narrow path. And it just happened to cross that particular place when the ground was softer and left a track and it was heading toward um kind of toward the crossing, toward the boulders. It was really close to the boulders. So we thought that was that was pretty interesting.

48:42 Who's going to be out here in February, you know, yeah, barefoot? Barefoot, you know, And it was clearly toes was clearly a footprint, so that was pretty interesting. But these boulders, which was just really cool. Um. We had gone back to those boulders several times and one of the times, you know, on the on the latter end of that of going back there, uh, we had gone into the boulders and when we went in there, we noticed that they're in those spaces that I told you were in between those three boulders, there was twigs and branches and just the whole thing. It was almost like, um, it was blocking.

49:32 Those those spaces between the three boulders just brambled. I mean it was just you know, sticks and twys just thrown into like this nakeshift blockage or something. And we thought that was that was pretty interesting. On both sides, you know, of in between those three boulders, it still had the you know, the path going between them, you could still go between them, but the spaces between the three were blocked. And we're like, wow, you know what's this all about? As we had never seen that the prior to going there, and they were always open and easy to get through, but these this one time, it was just blocked like almost like a hurting situation, you know what I'm saying, you want to hurt something in there, and it can't get out. It only has one way in, one way out. And then to be uh, you know, up on those boulders, I guess you're you know, you try to think, you're you're trying to rationalize what could this be? What what could this mean?

50:51 You know, and knowing that their big foot in the area, was it something that they were doing, was it, you know, were they perched up on one of these boulders some some other you know, big foot was hurting maybe a deer in there or something. I don't know, but it was pretty interesting. And I know, you know, they must do things like that. Animals do that all the time, trying to ambush you know, a deer or something like that. So that was pretty That was pretty interesting. Another thing that happened in that area on the way to the boulders, Um, we were coming I think we're coming back, and I looked across to the other section of the woods and this was the weirdest thing.

51:52 The trees there was there. There were like this line of trees obvious. So it's coincidental that these trees were kind of lining up. But you know, again you can just look down and see like several trees that were that were in a row. Up in the crooks of the branches were these long, other long branches and it was high. It was high up. It had to been about maybe thirty feet up in the crooks of the branches. There were these horizontal um tree branches that were just in there, you know, across and then I looked across the other trees and it was the same thing. There was this long tree branch that was just in the crook of the tree going there were several and it was what how how did that?

52:55 How did those get up there? You know, sure, I guess people could do that, but what would what would the purpose of that be? And out in the middle of nowhere, right that kind of stuff. It just that boggles my mind because it's like, it doesn't make any sense for someone to do that in a tree that's so high up, and just it doesn't make sense, and like what's the logic behind that? You know, just it's very weird stuff when you see stuff like that. Yeah, it was really really interesting, and it was in that same area, but I mean, it wasn't close to the boulders, but it was in that vicinity of the boulders and it thought, wow, that is and I'm not talking you know ten foot branches. These were like little saplings well that were placed up there in this vertical you know pattern, and I'm like, holy cow, what the what is that? You know what? How it was boggling, you know, it's kind of like wow. Yeah, people need to listeners need to realize that the county you're talking about, Worcester County, has some very wild area in it. You know, I grew up in Northfield.

54:14 Yeah, my father and I we used to go hiking in the Quabin Reservoir area all the time. You are out in the sticks. When you go into the it's like you don't mess around because that's a massive amount of wooded area in many different forests around. There's just you've got to be prepared so I can see how you're experiencing these types of things there. Yeah, it was really it was really interesting and we've had we've had so many experiences there when we went out, Like I said, at the beginning of our research, we would do the whoops and you know, calls and things like that. None of the guys would I was the only female. None of the guys would do that. It was like a yeah, yeah, I'm not doing that. That's that's that's just too embarrassing for me. I can't I can't do that. So I would be the one doing it, you know, I'd be letting out these calls or whoops or something like you know whatever. And it was amazing because some of the time the whoops that came back sounded like me. So yeah, we had returned whoops and the on several occasions the whoop sounded like like my exactly like my whoop that went out, and one of the guys that did you hear that sounds just like you.

55:42 I'm like, yeah, that's kind of creepy, exactly like that. So finally I was able to get the guys to, you know, do at least some I said, guys, I can't do this myself all the time. Come on, you guys got to do something. So my husband started doing it, and you know, one of our other friends would try it, but you know, they it's so funny how they were. But at any rate, um, were you able to prove that the sounds coming back to you were not like an echo coming back? Were there absolutely not an echo. Okay, No, No, it didn't happen like right, you know, I know what an echo is. Um, it didn't come back that quickly. You know. It wasn't like you you let out that yell and then you could hear it, you know it was It was not even in that in that realm of an echo coming back. You can't echo there anyway, gotcha, gotcha? All right? You know there's no there's no echoing when you're out there. You're in the deep woods. What you're bouncing. You know, it's not like you have a cavern or or a you know, an open area where you're just like, ah, you know when you get it back. Um, it's nothing like that. So you know it wasn't It was definitely not an echo. But it's been you know

57:15 it was. I mean it was pretty cool, but um, we've had several things like that, you know, happen. We've also had coyotes go off and you hear I'm I'm a singer, so um I can hear tones and hear you know, notes and know how that sort of thing works out. In my husband and else. He's also musically inclined. He plays guitar and drums, so he's got that in he sings, so he's got that same kind of thing. You people who are musically incline will understand, I think what I'm saying. You can hear when something's off, or you can hear different you know, tones and things like that. So, um, there was several on several again, several occasions, we will hear coyotes going off, and not every single time, so let me be clear about that, every single time pack of coyotes starts yipping that we hear anything else going on. But on occasion, there would there would be packs of coyotes going off, and you can hear something distinctly. Hear it this long drawn out a howl or you know, yell or something that's kind of mixed in with

58:52 the coyotes. Really kind of creepy when you're listening to it, because you're like, whoa, that's that's something different, and it's powerful and it's you know, it gets this climate climactic point and then comes down, you know, so it's not like a uh, you know what I'm saying, like a like a coyote would you know, do the whole yipping and and and yeah, they're pretty loud, but uh, it's different. You can hear it the way you kind of stands out would it sounds like it might almost be like an Ohio howell? Is is this something similar to that? Or? Um, well, I guess it would be similar, but not exactly.

59:37 It's it's it's a little bit different. Um. I don't. I don't know how to explain it. But you you know, we could hear it um amidst what the coyotes were doing, so it was It's pretty interesting, you know. Can I say for sure that was big But no, absolutely not. Can I say and anything that we experience out there is absolutely bigfoot? No I can't, you know, but I'll tell you what. There are some things out there that you that happened to us that are just unexplainable. You just can't. You almost can't wrap your brain around it because you it's like when people see you know, when they see a big foot, They're like their brain just can't it can't wrap it. You know, it's like what am I? What am I seeing? I'm supposed to be seeing this, you know, So I don't know. It's just it's it's just so different when you when you're out there and when you've been out there for so long, you know, night after night, um, just hearing these things or having these things, you know, happened to you. I was telling you before the reason we got the H two. I was on a we were on a group, UM and we used to go out there.

1:01:12 I don't know what. I still don't know what what we're thinking. There's just been times where like we're going to die, you know, what are what are we doing out here? You know? Um our car, our, car, our tent our, you know, I mean anything could get rolled. We've talked about that before. What if they you know, decided to just roll our van or what if you know, what are we going to do. We're not going to do anything. There's nothing we can do, you know, but it's always kind of there that something like that could happen. And I know there's people out there to say, oh, it's not going to hurt you, you know, it's just a warm, fuzzy little teddy bear. Well I'm sorry, I'm not on that. I'm not that group. I don't ever you know, tell anybody. I don't care what it is. This is something And again, what is Bigfoot?

1:02:13 I don't know. I call it a creature. I call all these little creatures that are out there. I don't know what bigfoot is. I'm not even going to go there. But it's also it's a wild thing, you know, just like any other wild animal. It's unpredictable. I'm not going to tell anybody that they're never going to get hurt when I go out when I bring people out there, I don't know what's going to happen. You have to be aware of that. I'm we could come across a bear. I'm not going to tell him that bear is not going to do anything to you. Um, I'm you know, I can't do that. I can't in good conscious conscience do that. And I've thought, and I've done talks, you know, at libraries and um, I've been on podcasts and things like that. I'm not going to tell people that you're not going to get hurt. How many times have you heard, you know, stories that people have told you where they've been escorted out of the woods by a big foot?

1:03:22 Yeah? Yeah, so you know that we had a bluff charge. Okay, this wasn't the runner, this was a bluff charge. We um we went one other time. It was just Bob and I um doing other thing. You know, we're listening. We get there and as soon as we get there and get set up and get settled, we just start listening. And he had his H two on one side. I had mine and the other. And again I tell you they're omnidirectional, and but if you set them up in a certain way, you might not hear another section of the area. And I don't know how he had his setup. What I usually do with mine is mine is going vertically so that it's you know, off above, and it can in the way it's turned, it can hear you know, pretty much all the area. And I don't, Like I said, I don't know how he had a setup. But we're sitting there listening. I hear these little, you know, twigs, a little snapping twigs on the ground, kind of the thing, you know, like if you step on something, step on a little twig and you hear it snap.

1:04:55 I was hearing that off and on and again. When we go out there, we don't go straight for bigfoot. Not everything is bigfoot. You know, I hate to break it to whomever, but not everything is bigfoot. We don't start off thinking, all right, well, we just heard that choice snap, So that must be bigfoot. No, I mean there's deer out there, there's little critters out there running around, there's you know, all kinds of things, all kinds of night you know, porcupines, raccoons, fox, all that stuff, you know, that are walking through the woods. So no, we don't go straight for you know, that's bigfoot. So when we hear these little snaps, you just kind of yeah, you know, it's whatever, but you continue, obviously, you continue to listen and try to see exactly what it might be. Will you ever know if we can usually tell if it's you know, like a round accoon or if it's a little you know, animal kind of scurrying around, it's the same. It's the same sound. It doesn't really change much. You know. It's when the big snapping starts happening that you kind of get on alert. Yeah, but so we're listening and I was hearing it off and on and kind of subtle, you know, it's kind of subtle. And

1:06:28 when it first started happen after a little bit, I said, yeah, are you hearing that? I said to Bob, are you hearing that? He said, hearing what I said? I don't know. I kind of I hear these every once in a while. I hear these little twigs, you know, snap, and you know, it could be anything. But I said, are you hearing that? Not really? I said, all right, So this was going on for a little while where I was just kind of listening, and then a little bigger you know, like a bigger branch with snap on the ground, and I said, okay, did you hear that? He's like, not really like what, I don't why are not hearing this? You know? And I said, well, then it must be on my side because I'm hearing something and I don't know what it is, but I'm hearing something. So again, a little while later, a little time goes by and I'm still hearing it, and I said, okay, did you hear that? He goes, yeah, I did hear that, And so we're kind of I said, I it must be on my side because I'm I'm hearing it a lot more than you are, So I don't know. There must be that it must be on this side of the you know, the van. So I sat there a little bit longer.

1:07:54 He started to hear a little subtle snapping, and I said, yeah, I said, I don't know, Van, this is weird. And and again this is all in the H two. It might not be word for word, but you know what I'm saying. So all of a sudden, Oh, I think prior to that, prior to that, um off on his I'm just gonna get Bob for a second. He took the dog out when you figure perfect good good timing, Bob, thanks for that. Um prior to that, I believe this. This was the first thing that happened. Um, Bob carrys he's back again. Prior to the snapping, that tree broke, right, Yeah, so what happened with that tree?

1:08:53 Well, just a large tree went over. I mean, prease go down the forest all the time, so no real credence to that, but it did go over. And I made a silly comment. I just said, that sounds angry. I said, if anything happens here, comes rout of here. Something sounds Yeah, something sounds rope tonight. We're just it was funny that we said that. And then a half hour later, Yeah, so he had that crackling he said, if anything comes running toward us, we're out of here. We still have the runner on our mind, right, and when we heard that that tree come down and it was a tree. Um, it's kind of sounded like a like a dead tree, like it was pushed over. And he said, if anything comes running towards us, we're out of here, because, like I said, he still had that on his mind. So it was probably, um, maybe half an hour after that was when I started hearing the snapping sounds. And when he started to hear it, We're like, oh, okay, so what is that? What is going on? And then all of a sudden, this thing came running through the woods towards us. I said, did you hear that? He goes, oh, yeah, I hear. I hear that.

1:10:16 And it was barreling for us. This thing was bluff charging us, and I said, light us up, Bob. Bob took the flashlight that you know, that big being flashlight that we have, and he threw it at me and he said, I mean literally threw it at me. Look out your window. He said, yeah, scan, you know, look out your window. And so I'm fumbling with the flashlight and trying to get that getting my window, you know, getting it out the window, trying to look and I said, light us up. So he and when I say light us up. I think I told you. You know, he puts on the beams and every everything around us with you know, within the circumference of the light shine. He's like, we're hoping to see something.

1:11:16 But again it was on my side, you know, and I knew it was on my side, so I grabbed, I grabbed the flashlight and him looking out there, he has the light on and right directly across from me on my side of the vehicle. And we always have our vehicle pointed out, all right, we come in, we turn it around so it's pointing out. So we need to make a good basket away, you know, we're we're ready to go on this crappy road, you know. Out so um, I look and there's two trees thirty feet from where we are parked on my side of the on the vehicle, and I look out that.

1:12:05 I put the beam out there, and there's eye. There's an eye. There's something behind the tree. I can see one eye shine, one eye. So I see the eye shine and it's an amber like an amber color. The thing the eye was pretty good sized, and it stopped running. And this thing was this thing had intent, let me tell you, and we I forgot. What do we call this thing, Bob, that's them the creeper. I think that's what we called it, the creeper, because this thing was creeping up on us. It was subtly making these you know, obviously it had to be you know, it was walking toward us, but it was it was sneaking up on us. And then all of a sudden it's just started running, you know, toward us at that whenever it decided to start running toward us. And then when we lit up and I took the flashlight out, it stopped right by those trees. You know.

1:13:13 We wondered, what would we what would have happened if we hadn't turned the lights on, if we hadn't taken the flashlight out, would this thing have you know, been on us. I don't know what it's intent was, but I don't think it was good. But it stopped and I could see it. I could see behind you know, again, there was a space I think there was. I think it was a group of three trees or one that was split, you know what I'm saying. So there were two smaller ones on one side and then one tree on the other side, and I could see it was in between the two and the one, and so I could see one I behind coming looking behind the tree, and it was only thirty feet from us, and I was like, I see eyeshine.

1:14:10 Bob's like, what do we do? I don't know. He goes, should we go? No, I didn't want to go, but he's like, I think we should go, and so we ended up leaving. I didn't want to go. So some of the time, some of the time, we'll bring little glow sticks, pretty curiosity kind of lores, and I think we I think we had put a glow stick on his side and we put one on my side. Was on that crappy dirt, yucky you know whatever wrote that. We that we used to get it in there. And so when that happened and he said, you know, we're out of here.

1:15:00 Um, we ended up leaving in it. And while we were driving out, I still have the you know, the beam on that area, and I could still see the eyes shine. We left and I'm like, oh my gosh, Bob, we gotta go back. He said, no, we're not going back. He said, it's only two o'clock in the morning. We have the whole rest in the night to you know, it's only two o'clock. I mean we have until done, you know. I'm like, come on. He's like, no, I'm not going back. I'm like what I said, I can't believe we're leaving this early. So I said, well, how about this, how about we go back and you know, well, because he's still he's out there, He's like, I'm out. So I said, why don't we go back and see if the glow stick is still there. He's like, no, where are that going back? So we get to the end of the road where we get to the paved road, and I said, okay, how about if we go to the right instead of you know, to our left is heading home.

1:16:03 To the right, I said, why don't we go to the right and see if we can skirt the area and see if anything comes out. He's like, no, we're not going or we're leaving. And he said, if you want to come back on your own, you can drop me and Jenna off and just let me know what you want on your let me know what you want in your obituary. I like, NORMA went back yourself. I did. I so wanted to go back, but I didn't end up going back. Yeah, and I was like, Oh, that's real nice, Bob, that's real nice. He said, you know, just let me know what you want. And you know in your good that's good nice. Do you think. Yeah, closest you ever got to a big foot. Um, well, other than the that Louisville hit in the tree.

1:16:58 Um, that's one of the well that was that was probably the most unnerving because after that happened. Um, when we went back the first time, after that happened, we were on high alert. Yea, we were on big time high alert. And this could have you know, it could have been just a rogue. I don't know, um, because none of the other incidences ever was threatening, you know what I mean. I think that they and this is this is like a few years a few years ago.

1:17:41 Um, we never really had other than that Louisville that hit the tree um, we never really had, I guess, anything really threatened us. We've had rocks, thrown pebbles during the night. We had one night that we went there and it was kind it was kind of hysterical. I think that it was a juvenile because it hung around us all night and would throw little little pebbles, you know, at the enter vehicle. And toward the end of the night I think it was, I said to Bob, it must be like, all right, I don't know, I've had enough of this. It sounded like it was picking up leaves and sticks and stuff from the from the ground and just chucking them out, you know, onto thet the towards you know, toward us. And I said, oh man, this is really funny. And it was starting to get a little bit lighter, um you know, don don was breaking so that's usually when we leave, and it was just kind of funny, and I said, all right, well, I think this thing's had enough. So we went back the next night with my cousin who we had taken I think he was at the at the first time we took him out, he was like thirteen, and he's been doing this with us up and on for quite a few years.

1:19:15 So at this point when we went out, he was probably twenty and they're nineteen or twenty. And we went back the next we told him what happened, and we went back the next day and the next night, and sure enough that thing was back again. So what happened when we first got there, we got set up and this is again, this is the exact. This is like a hot spot and this this one spot that we go to. We get there, we turned, you know, the vehicle around, We get all the H twos together, and everything all of a sudden and we're listening out there and we could you know, we hear the normal stuff and uh, you know, little twigs and things like that. All of a sudden, on our side, on my side of the vehicle, a rock hits the vehicle, hits the door. Oh straight, hut. So we thought this thing was directly thrown and hit the side of the of the door. When we listened back on the H two, what actually happened was it was thrown, ricocheted off that crappy road and popped up and hit our our door. That is what actually happened. When we heard it, it sounded like a direct hit, like it was thrown directly at the vehicle.

1:20:44 And then again when we listened back to it, it was it ricocheted off the ground and popped up on her on our door. And I sit so we're like, holy cow, here we go. And from then from that moment on the rest of the night, it never did it again. It just was throwing little little pebbles, and it would, you know, ping off the hub cap or pick you know, the side of the tire or something, or it would land just before us. But I'm sure that it was the same creature. It did exactly what it did the night before.

1:21:25 And what was weird was and I think I said to Bob, I said, I think that was an oops. I didn't mean to throw it that hard, So I think, yeah, I'm sure these things are more intelligent than we think, but at any rate, I don't think it meant to do that. But because after that it was just throwing these little pebbles, then something even more strange happened. Now we were only there that that night. That second night, we were only there for about an hour tops, And what ended up happening was we heard this thing on my side of the vehicle, and I forget what it was doing, but we got I got the light out and started to look outside my side of the vehicle, and I'm scanning from left to right. Okay, I can only go so far until I can't see past the end of the van. But I'm out there.

1:22:31 I'm looking and I'm as I'm scanning from left to right, i can hear this thing running or moving walking very fast away from the light. It was moving away so it would stay out of the beam and I could hear it. And I went as far back as I could on you know, to the back of the van, and on the on the driver's side of the van there this uh fire access road. I think, I think it might be a fire access road. But it opens up into this just like dirt opening, like a I don't know, like a just an opening.

1:23:17 There's it's not grass, it's just dirt, you know, trees all the way around it. And we've been out there several times too. But it went kind of in that direction the driver's court kind of diagonal from the driver's rear quarter panel, if you know what I'm talking about. And I and it just again, it just stopped. I shut the light off, and we were going to see what was gonna you know, what it was going to do. But I'm sure it was it was getting away from the light. So it went across and it went right in the back of the you know, a little ways uh in the back of the van, and so we shot off the light, waited. We got a little few pebble stone then all of a sudden, we hear this metal drop. It sounded like it sounded like if you were to try, you know, waist high, you were to take something that was metal and drop it on a rock.

1:24:26 Really it makes that king kind of that metal sound, and we're like, what the heck is it doing? What what is that? You know? So then we get a little concerned because we didn't want it. Okay, you got to remember that we thought we got directly hit. It was a direct hit, no hesitation. That rock was thrown, you know, at the van. So we're like, okay, what does this thing have? Is it going to throw that at the van too? You know, I'm thinking this gets this thing is going to throw it at the van, break our window or something. Who knows. Um. So we heard that and we're like, holy and again this is on the H two. It's all recorded, and it's it was weird that that that, you know, it had something metal, But it makes sense at the same time if this is a juvenile it's picking things up, you know, what is this? What is you know? And so it dropped it, it dropped on it obviously dropped on a rock because it made that kind of you know, metal hitting rock sound. So we're like, oh, well, I think it's I think it's time to go because we don't want this thing chucking a piece of metal at our at our vehicle. And we ended up leaving. But the next day Bob and I went back and, um, we wanted to see if we could find anything that would resemble or set you know, kind of

1:26:00 make that sound. So we went back and we looked around, and sure enough, we found this broken gusset plate right right in the area that we heard it drop. So I obviously didn't pick it back up, it just dropped it, and we did we looked out in the woods in that area to see if there was anything else out there that it could have been, but it was right in the exact spot that we heard it drop. So we took it with us, and we're pretty sure that that's what it was that dropped. That it had dropped on the rock, so we weren't going to stand, you know, stay around and have the same chuck whatever metal piece that we didn't know at the time, you know, at our van.

1:26:47 So that was that was pretty interesting, and we've had, um gosh, so many things happened there. We've pulled into the area where we will pull in and uh start to back up, you know, we'll pull in that fire that kind of little fire road and then back the van up and had you know, head it back out. When one night as we were pulling in, Um, I saw Bob's pulling and he's not paying attention to the front, you know what's out there. I'm watching up front and I could see this eyeshine out there that was looking straight at the car and then bolted and it was up. It wasn't low, it wasn't an animal.

1:27:33 It was you know, human height, and it just it kind of looked at the vehicle and then turned and bolted. You could see the eyes and then you could see him turn, you know, the eyes just gone. It was gone. I said, did you see that. He's like, no, what did you see? I said, Oh, my gosh, it was just right there. So that was that was pretty cool too. And then we started to or we went. I think that was during the pandemic. When the pandemic happened. I had I had broken my leg on March fifteenth. I remember that because I was teaching at the time and I had a break after that, you know, not a break yes, it broke my leg, but I had a span of time between you know, my next teaching and so um we and then it was a week later, I think it was about a week later when the whole country shut down and my husband was furloughed. So he was actually he was furloughed or he was told not to come back. I was the end of that week. It was that Friday he was told not to come back with somebody at his work had had COVID and they were in the hospital not doing well. So they had to clean the whole place, you know that he worked at. So they said you can't come in until you know, Sunday night. So and

1:29:06 then and then the country basically shut down, and they said, you know, everybody's going to go on furlough. So we obviously I couldn't do anything. He was he was furloughed. I think I took another week to you know, recover, and then we were out there in the same research area, UM doing a lot of research. Nobody was out there, weren't planes, there weren't cars, there were there weren't any there was nothing out there. It was so nice and quiet, you know, it's just uh, it was great. So during that time, um, we noticed and remember we have been there at this point fifteen years. Fifteen years, yeah, I think we're going on seventeen years of research, so it was about fifteen years. And we know the area. We know if if the if these creatures, these big foot, they know our vehicle. Anytime that we took anybody out with us that like we did during the pandemic, they were in a different vehicle. We didn't we didn't stay in the same vehicle. Bob and I would be in one, they would be in there. They would be in their vehicle and we would have walkies to communicate back and forth.

1:30:33 They would have an H two so they can hear everything. You know. We gave everybody whatever their own H two and we would listen. We also bought amplifiers for the H twos as if we didn't hear enough as it was. Now we're really amplified and we can hear, you know, everything, we can hear. I can hear Bob's stomach growling, So that's how sensitive they are. So you know, we're out there and we anytime we brought anybody in a different car, their car would get would get pinged with pebbles during the pandemic. They would just throw these anytime anybody. It didn't matter who it was, didn't matter. If you know, Fred came out with us, a guy that I was talking about before. There was another guy that came out with us in their own car. They were getting pinged.

1:31:25 We didn't get you know, the little pebble stown at us. They were getting pebble strown at them. So they know our vehicle, you know, they're there. It's it's it's the norm for them for us to come out. They see us all the time. We bring the same vehicle. They hear our voices. They you know, they know who I think anyway, I think they know who we are. Um So anything anything that's different, you know, they're they're going to be m what's this all button Sometimes they don't get going and for a little while before that happens. But at any rate, during the pandemic, Bob and I noticed that there was a little more activity around us, and it didn't appear to be more than one.

1:32:13 It seemed like it was like a century. So we're like, wow, this is so weird because this usually doesn't happen. Remember, I said, you know, we go out there and sometimes here, well, a lot of times there's nothing going on. Sometimes it is so quiet that it's deafening, and I'd be like Bob talk because this is like it's too quiet. We can't see anything. It's so black. We you know, we can't hear anything. It's almost like what I gotta say something. So, I mean, there's many times when there's nothing going on. But during the pandemic, we noticed that this what it seems and I call it a century, you know, because it's around all the time. It's almost like well we didn't know at the time why this was happening, but it would throw things at us, you know, and it would walk around and a little pebbles, you know, nothing major, and it would walk around. We could hear it not and sometimes it would get close. Sometimes we could hear as it got close, we could actually hear the footfalls. We could hear it step one time again it happened several times. One time really stands out.

1:33:35 It's stepped. We could hear its step step and then like a half step. It was so cool, and it was very very close to us, almost in that area where you know the Louisville hit the tree right, So it was in that area, and it would it would get close, and we would just kind of sit there wondering, Okay, how close is this going to get? One of these times, we're gonna we're gonna, you know, put on that light and this thing's gonna standing in front of us or on either side of us. So, um, this was it was getting close to us. So we were hearing this a lot when we went out there during the you know, twenty twenty and nothing was going on.

1:34:23 Like I said, the you couldn't go in the state forest. People couldn't, you know, they couldn't camp in this rustic area because they shut everything down. So there was no activity. There was no nobody, nobody bothering them. And as it was, this area is very remote anyway, so there's not a whole lot going on, you know, in there, other than some people maybe going in there and doing a little bit of hiking or you know, something like that. Nothing major. So as the time went on, we also noticed that it's it sounded like there was more than one.

1:35:13 It wasn't just a century anymore, but there was always there was always one of them really close to us. So it was like the century was still there, but there was activity going around, going on, you know, a little bit further away from us. And I'm talking maybe again, not like extremely further away from us. I'm talking like twenty thirty yards around us in that kind of circumference. So, um, we noticed that kind of we noticed that kind of thing happening in that baby big foot. Did I mention the baby big Foot yet? Was that so this is different than the juvenile? Then? Yes, yeah, I don't know big talk about the baby big foot. Yeah, the baby big Foot. Well, at least we thought it was a baby big foot or a very young, a very young juvenile big foot. We went there again, same exact location, did the same routine, and as soon as we got there, we could hear something moving around and I sent Bob, I think there's more than one.

1:36:28 I can hear things in different locations. You can hear it, you know, you know how that goes. You hear something to your right, you hear something, you know, to hear left off to the diagonal, maybe directly across from you. You can hear different things. And I said, m it sounds like, you know, there's more than one out there. So we're listening to all of that, it would get close, and it would get farther away, and when it got close until Bob light us up. And this happened, you know, several times it would get really close to us and said about, well, it sounded like it was close to us. Anyway, I think it was it was staying within a distance where it couldn't be seen. And I don't know about about you, but in how you feel about this, But there are people who think, you know, there are some people who think that they don't get on all fours.

1:37:29 There are other people who've seen them on all fours running. There are other people who've seen them do the spider crawl, which I think if I think if I saw that, I would not go back into the woods. It would be that is creepy. Yeah, I mean that is like I don't know, I don't know, I'm like hardcore big foot, you know, but dang that Olahoma, Texas thing. A lot of times I hear those out there. I don't know. I don't know if I could go back out if I saw that that. It's just too much. I think that's too much for my brain. I don't think I could. I had to have nightmares. But you know, and I and I go out there all the time, and we go out in the woods no protection. And I've said this to Bob before, you know, what do we do?

1:38:25 And I had a talk one time at one of the libraries. I said, you know, somebody asked me a question, you know U referring to something like that. I said, you know what, there's nothing you can do. You just curl up into a little ball and kiss your buck good bye, because there's nothing you can do if they decide to go after you. Nothing, there's there's you have no defense. So unless you're you know, have an elephant gun or something, I don't know sure, but there's nothing you know that you that you can do. And let me tell you, it gets a little creepy out there. And I don't think I could see if I saw a spider crawl. I don't, I don't, I don't know. Maybe it would be terrible, but it'd be kind of cool.

1:39:10 But it would also like give you nightmares for yeah, yeah, no, but at any rate this you know, um, we're hearing this. And I scanned the area. I said, Bob, light us up. It starts to get close, Light us up. Because I want to see it. If if it's going to get close, I want to see it or that close. Anyway, when we first got there, I scanned from left to right the area Bob's I gave him the flashlight. He scans around his area. So while I was scanning left left to right. Again, this is almost the same distance as as the bluff charge. It was about thirty feet away from our car. The only difference was it was thirty feet from the passengers side rear quarter panel, so that's where the diagonal area was.

1:40:02 But again very very close to us. So there were two trees there and a rock in the middle of the two trees. The rock probably was about maybe three maybe I want to see three feet high, possibly a little bit higher than that, but it was in between, like I said that, the two trees. And so in scanning left right when we first get there, and I see a little reflection, almost like an eye shine, And it was a reflection. It had rained earlier that day, so it could have been water. I thought, well, and I didn't tell Bob at that time. I said, well, it could be you know, maybe water on a leaf or something like that that's reflecting. So I didn't think too much of it at the time. And then I scanned back, you know, right to left, and then I shut the flashlight off and we just kind of listened in it. Like I said, I could hear a couple of things in different directions, so we're just kind of listening.

1:41:11 Um, it got a little close, and I said, okay, lace up, took the flashlight back up, started scanning again, scanned over to that same that same tree and rock area, and I didn't see that reflection anymore. I was like, okay, well, maybe, you know, I don't know, maybe it was a little animal and it was there and then it just left. Maybe it was you know, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't there. So then again shut everything off, and we're listening again, and we can hear We still can hear this every little bit, a little bit of you know, span of time. We could hear something moving around and it would get close again, and I do the same thing. It was like every I don't know, ten fifteen minutes, I'm like, okay, it seemed like light us up, you know, those things getting close again. So I took the func light out again and I stand in off in the distance further away. It was probably about maybe maybe fifteen twenty yards from our vehicle. In the woods, I saw some kind of eyeshine out there, and I was like, now, there's no reflectors. Okay, there's nothing on the trees out there. We've been there a million times. There's nothing on the trees, no reflectors or anything.

1:42:45 So I know that what I'm seeing is something new. It's not you know, I've never seen before, and I always I'm always looking in that direction. So I see something in between the leaves, you know, in the trees, and I'm like, h no, wonder what that is. Um could be an animal, maybe up in the tree. I don't know. I didn't really give it a whole lot of thought, you know, you always have that kind of mmm wonder, you know, but I kind of dismissed it, and then shut the lights off again. And I did go back to I think I went back to the tree again, the rock tree, as I'm scanning left or right, and I didn't see anything.

1:43:33 So shut the lights off again and again. And this happened like several times within the space of an hour, maybe a little more more than an hour. And again something's getting close, turn on the lights, and it was a it was a it was less of a time frame. So start to scan back left to right, and I go back to that tree again, and when't you know it, that eyeshine is there again. That reflection or reflective whatever it is was there again. And I said, huh. And I said, Bob, there's when we first got That's what I explained to him. I said, when we first got here, I saw some kind of a reflection, something that was reflective over you know, by those trees in that rock, and then it was gone. So I didn't think anything of it. I said, now it's back, and it's in the same exact spot. He goes, well, what do you see? I said, I don't know what I see. It's I don't know, it's it's something. He goes, well, what is it doing. I said, it's just staring at the hug. I could just see one eye over this, you know, between those two trees favoring. If I was to look at it, it was favoring the right side of those two trees, So

1:45:03 the right tree and in between, like I said, was that rock. So it's kind of the eyeshine is coming out by the right tree, and I'm like, ah, what, what the heck is that it's this, It's in the same exact spot. What are the odds of that happening? If it was an animal, it would have been gone long forty five minutes ago. You know, I didn't see it. I saw it the first time, then it was gone. Then now I'm seeing it again and it's in the exact same space a spot. And Bob's trying to look again.

1:45:43 You know, he's in the driver's seat. It's on my side, like I said, the rear quarter panel diagonal to that. He can't even he can't see it because that whole side of the van is, you know, blocking him from seeing it. So he's so I'm giving him a play by play pretty much, and he's like, all right, well, what is it doing? I said, it's just staring at the light. Now, I had this beam on this for almost five minutes. Okay, So we're at the beginning of this five minutes when I saw it again. This high powered beam is just reflecting or just pointing to that area, and I'm looking.

1:46:28 I'm like, what is that. All of a sudden, it goes behind the tree, slowly goes behind the tree and the color of the eyeshine, and it was it was you know, around, but it was smaller. It wasn't um it was an adult size. It was smaller and it had that had that that amber color, but it was a little bit lighter. It wasn't as dark as I saw the the you know, the bluff charge one. It was a little bit lighter and it was smaller. And so probably the size if I were to gauge it with a coin, maybe a little like a quarter size maybe. And so I'm watching it and it's it goes behind the tree, slowly goes behind that right tree. I'm like, oh my gosh, it just disappeared. He goes, what do you mean. I said, it's gone. It just went behind the tree.

1:47:34 It's like, okay, And then it comes back. I said, it's there again. It's back. It's there because it comes back out again one eye, it's like it's peaking of you know, on the other side of that tree. I'm like, oh my gosh, it's back. It's it's there again. Well, what does it do when I said, it's just staring, it's just like staring at us, staring at the beam. I don't you know, it's it's probably like it's curiosity probably got the best of it. So it's just kind of watching goes back again and now it's gone, Like I'm like, what are you commentator over here? Watch this?

1:48:15 Here it is. Now it's gone, here it is. I'm so I'm back and forth and then it comes out in their two eyes this time, and it's just staring at us, you know, staring at the beam. I'm sure it can't see me with this beam in its face, you know, in its eyes. Maybe it could, I don't know, but it definitely knows that we're there. It can hear us. But you know that's pretty obvious. And I'm I'm practically hanging out the window, you know, watching this thing, fascinated by it. What didn't you know? Okay, this is the second I think this was the second time we had we had brought the night vision at night vision binoculars out with us. It was sitting right next to me, and I did not get it because I was so I mean, this is like a rookie mistake, right, I'm like, dang, what what was I thinking? You know? But again, in my defense, it was the only it was. It was second time we only had it out, so I wasn't used to it yet. I wasn't used to having it, but this was more. I was like, I didn't want to take my eyes off this thing for one thing. Um and I was just what I was fascinated by it, and I'm like this this.

1:49:43 I wonder if this is a juvenile. It's just it's small. It wasn't you know. When it was coming in. It was just over that boulder or that little rock that was there between the two trees. So it wasn't very high. I mean, I don't know how tall it was. Maybe it was sitting down. I don't know, but I'm like, oh my gosh, this is And then it goes behind the tree again, I'm like, what the heck? And so we during this time, so we're heading now to the to the almost five minute mark, with this beam of light on this thing. That whole entire time. I didn't shut the light off. I didn't, you know, I didn't move it. It was right there, this thing coming back and forth, you know, behind the tree and stuff and there. We didn't know this until after we we listened to the H two, you know, when we when we got home that there was a pretty good size branch that was broken while while we were watching this thing. Neither one of us heard it because we were so fixated and so, you know, mesmerized by what was going on that we weren't listening.

1:51:01 We didn't hear any any of that. We didn't hear that that branch break. Then probably it was probably a few minutes from that branch break according to the recording that we there was a significant branch that was broken. I mean, this thing sounded like a little tree and we heard that that we definitely heard at Bob's Like, what the heck? He said, I don't know. So we're thinking that maybe, you know, this juvenile was placed there to stay there while the parents were you know, forging whatever they do, because again we heard two different areas where things were happening and were the parents there was this that situation where you know this juvenile was there because I think I told you this before. Deer will do that, right, they'll take their their baby, their fun and they'll put it in a place where it's secure and covered and camouflaged, and it stays there, it doesn't move, and the mother will go out foraging, and that the little fun will stay there until the mother comes back. Unless you know it's it's in this

1:52:36 dire situation where it's going to be attacked or something. Then I'm sure we'd get up. It probably wouldn't live anyway. But it doesn't move. You could walk by it and wouldn't move. And that's what happened. That's what you know, the deer do do the bigfoot do that? You know do they say, okay, junior, you stay right here, don't move, don't do anything. You know, we'll be back. I'm paraphrasing, but you know, I mean this thing didn't move. It stayed right there. And when that branch, that big branch broke man we were like Bob's like, okay, they are not happy with this light on their you know, on their juvenile so I think we better go. So I of course I didn't want to leave, but you know, I didn't want them to get upset either. I mean, if this is there, you know, their baby, I don't want it. You know, I don't want to stress him out. So we ended he we ended up. He ended up starting the car and as we were leaving, I'm still watching, I'm out the window beam is still on this thing, and as we're leaving it, it comes out again full, you know, full, and I think it stood up. It wasn't that tall, but it was higher than it was before.

1:54:03 And I could see the two little eyes, you know, watching us as we left. Wow. So that was that was very cool. If that was the scenario that was, I can't imagine what else it would have been. M you know, if anybody else comes up with something different, I'd love to hear that. You know, that explanation. But that's absolutely wild. I mean, the stuff you have going on in that research area is just incredible, Norman, and thank you for for sharing your What has happened to you guys so far in that area, I mean, yeah, this is this has been Yeah, it's been an ongoing And then when we moved to Connecticut, we still go back there, um, but we're in a different area now and we didn't know anything about this area U but we got permission to go on to private land that also has a a protected section of the woods that you know, you can't hunt on or anything like that, miles and miles miles and acres and acres of just forest. And we've had some pretty incredible things happen there as well, and I went into it very doubtful. You know, I didn't know if only because the owner you

1:55:39 know, kind of told us some quirky things that were going on there. And we told them that we were bigger researchers and would you mind if we came out here? He said, yeah, I don't care, but you're crazy. We're like, well, yeah, tell us something we don't know, but I'll just one. We've had some incredible things happen here. Now, this is a place where nobody goes to do this kind of research. This is all private. It's private. His land is all private. There are people that go out into like on four wheelers and things like that, but his his area, like I said, is um you know, is private. But you have to access that road if you want to take four wheelers out and we've done that. M Bom and I have gone out there.

1:56:29 We've also gone out there and walked why. I don't know, but especially after what's what happened to us? Do you remember that movie us? It's an it's a classic um Princess Bride. I mean, yeah, that's a classic eighties movie total yeah, yeah, right, Andrea the Giant was in that movie. Right, Oh yeah, Andrea the Giant he yes, yes, and you have the dread pirate Roberts, and you have the other the Spanish guy and whatever. So yeah, so in one of you got to look this up to and maybe some of your listeners can you can look it up specifically this one part where Andrea the Giant is off he's off screen so you can't see him. The pirate guy is running towards this huge boulder, right, just him, and he's running towards this huge boulder, and you're just gonna sit in there watching all of a sudden Andrea the Giant, well it's supposed to be him anyway, physics. He throws that big rock and hits that boulder. Scares the heck out of you because you're not expecting it when you're watching the movie, right, especially the first time. Right, But he throws that rock and it hits that boulder and splinters, right, it just breaks into a million pieces and just misses that pirate guy's head.

1:58:01 We were out there one night a friend of ours, a friend of ours from New York had come down and she was she's also into big Foot, so and we were telling her some of the stuff that was going on, you know, here in Connecticut. Yeah, and she came out with us one night. We're sitting there and we heard we kind of heard, you know, a few things here and there, but nothing really major. Started off like like it was going to be a good night. And then because we had been there prior to that and had crazy stuff happened. But this particular night when she was with us, what we usually do when we go to this guy's property is there's a lot of rocks here. I don't know, there's just tons and tons of rocks and boulders and things that are in the ground. I mean, there's tons of rocks here. So up up in his area, you know, he because there's so many rocks, he borders. It's part of that road. You go to this road at dead ends and then if you go to the right, if you go follow that road and it goes to his house. So we're far enough away from the house where you know you're accessing that road to go four wheeling, you know. But we go in there, we back up, and we back up to this boulder that's there. That's about I'm five five and a half,

1:59:34 so it's probably about up to my collar bone, you know, just below my neck, and it's probably about four feet wide. It's a pretty it's a pretty good sized boulder. So what we usually do is we'll back up just in front of that boulder, and again we're heading out. So we're there one night, this particular night, it starts off really good, and then it kind of peters. You know, there's nothing going on, and we're just going to talk and we're listening and Bob said, okay, well, how long do you want to how long do you guys want to stay out? It's about three thirty when he says this, and we're like, Bob is like three am. It's like all right, Bob, Bob, It's like it's three thirty am, Norma, Oh come on, don't you know he he knows we're staying out until he knows. But if there's nothing going on, you know, and it's still the same with me, it's like, yeah, but there could be right, Yeah, there's five more minutes and there could something could happen, you know, and I don't want to leave until you know done. So at any rate, he's seeing that to us, how long you know nothing's going on? How long you guys want to stay. So he's said, oh, we'll given another half an hour, litle butt. Four He's like, all right, So we're again just listening to things and we're kind of talking. Just no kidding.

2:01:11 It was it was probably five minutes to four and this rock comes out of nowhere and hits that boulder and it sounded exactly like that scene in Princess Bride. Really it was so yes, it was so loud, and you could even hear pieces of whatever was thrown hit the ground. And this is a dirt, you know, rocky road. I mean, it's just to get up to the where his house is. We don't know how he even survived the cars that or whatever he's driving survives that. I don't even know how my vand survives it. But at any rate, it's just you know, rock and dirt. So you can hear the pieces falling on the ground, the ground, and we're like, what I mean that was it's it was ridiculous the power behind that and this is no you know pebble that it threw against that that boulder. It had been a good had to be it had to have been a good sized rock. It was crazy, so of course we're not leaving now. We're not leaving. We're waiting to see what else is going to happen. And it was right that boulder was right behind our vehicle, so it very easily could have hit you know us. It would have shattered that back window for sure. So it meant it meant to hit

2:02:44 that boulder, because like I said, it would have definitely would have um hit us if they wanted to. But that was incredibly loud. And we've had prior to that, We've had you know, that cousin I was talking to you about, he had come up or come down to to go out with us because we were telling him the stuff that was going on. I it sounded like a tree branch went across the top of his car. We've had weird things thrown at us. That this is. This is not pebbles like the other place. You know, on occasion at the other place and mass we would get a bigger rock thrown. And you can tell, you know the size of a rock when it hits the ground, that it's not a pebble. It just you know that it's a little bit bigger than that.

2:03:43 But these this at this place, they they're they're not throwing little pebbles. They're throwing like you know, baseball softball sized rocks towards us, you know, that are hitting the ground. And again they're not you know, they're not hitting us, but they're certainly coming us. And I said to Bob Man, this is you know, this is uh some serious this is some serious business here, you know, because they have yeah, they have not. They don't They don't know us, you know, And that's a little unnerving because it's not like the other place. They know us, they know our vehicle, they know we're not going to bother them or hurt them or do anything. But uh, these guys don't know that, and they are they're all out. I mean, they're throwing I don't even know what, but I don't know how it missed us. And we went and this was happening, you know that the whole night there's we're hearing it. We're gosh, she can't remember. Um, I think, oh, it's often the distance we could hear prior to this, when the other my other friend was with us, we could hear vocalizations. It was like, I don't even know. It was almost like I don't know what to listen to because we can hear it over here. We can hear it over there, something's walking over here. It was crazy. That was the first night we went

2:05:14 out. The second night it was when that boulder got hit. Um. But you know, when we're out with with our cousin the same thing, we're like, what the what the heck is going on? You know? These these these things aren't nice there they mean business. I don't know what they're gonna do to us that they mean business. Were you whoops or what kind of vocalizations were you hearing? Um? There were like um again similar to the Ohio, except a little higher pitched and longer. It was like it's it wasn't so mournful, do you know what I mean? The Ohio kind of it sounds a little more mournful. Um. This it's not.

2:05:59 It's not like that, um, but it's similar. It's hard to describe. But and then sometimes just yell he just a you know, just a vocalize it just yell or something. I don't know what the back they're doing out there, you know, but we can we can hear you know what they're doing. And once again, it's all in the H two man. You listen to this stuff back when you're like, holy cow, and there are some things that you don't hear. There was one night, oh the night that we got the bluff charge. That tree okay, that tree was pushed over off in the distance, and then we had the bluff bluff charge. In between, when we were listening to the Age two, listening to you know back, there was this growl that I don't even know how to explain it. Bob, he has sonic hering. Okay, I turned the TV up one little click and he's like, you're turning the TV up if he's sleeping, he's got sonic hering, know, And he didn't even hear it. I don't know what the deal was. But when we were listening to that recording in between, when the tree went down in the bluff charge, there was this growl that was really close to us. We heard that on the H two. We were listening to it and we're like, what was that. Wow? We rewound it, we listened to it again,

2:07:29 we backed it up again and listened to it again. We're like, we didn't even hear that. I mean, we should have heard that there was nothing going on, so that we couldn't hear it, or we weren't talking or anything like that, because once that tree went down, we were on high alert. We were not doing anything. We should have heard that, and I don't know why we didn't. I don't know if it was infrasound, I don't know. I can't even explain it why we didn't hear it. Yeah, so, I mean, these noises now coming here again, these noises that we're hearing, you know, we don't. I mean, we we've heard similar but we've also heard these different noises and then you can hear them walk walking or going through the woods. There was one night that we heard I think there was only one there. This again, this is in Connecticut, in that same location. There's only there. It sounds like there was just one kind of hanging around, not really doing a whole lot.

2:08:43 We get a little rock throne every now and again. Then a little later on we heard another one coming toward us. We heard another one walking through the woods coming to that area, and we're like, oh, now it's going to begin, you know, Now the party's going to start. This other one's coming in. I don't know what's you know, we don't know what to expect, you know, in this area. It's it's very Uh, I don't know, what did you say? Yeah, the owner told us Bob had gone there and talked to him. I don't know, it was something totally different, but um, he told Bob that a few times on his front door he would get these slaps, like five quick successions slaps on his door, and it happened. Yeah, and it happened.

2:09:52 And now he's got these huge dogs. These dogs, how where are they? I forget the breed, but they're huge and they're they're really furry. Um, they're not seeing Bernard's Pyrenees or something. Huge, huge dogs. They're very friendly, but they stay outside and they're on his porch. These dogs did not They were in the far end of the porch kind of huddled there, you know, and they didn't do anything. They didn't bark, nothing. And so this happened several times, and it happened the last time it happened when well, I don't know if it's the last time, but when Bob talked to him, um, he said it happened again. And he kind of said, Okay, first he thought somebody was messing with him, you know. Then he because he would go to the door and he couldn't find it. He couldn't see anything. And this was early in the morning. So uh, when he was talking to Bob, he said, you know when it happened that this last time, he said, he got up and went to the door and again nothing. He couldn't find anything, he could see anything. So he he has heard things, you know,

2:11:24 he can't he doesn't know what it is. And he hears I'm sure he hears all kinds of things out there. He's he's on a lake. Um, I'll with acres and acres of forest. This you know, it borders the borders of Rhode Islands. So it's again acres and acres on that side, you know, acres and acres on the side of Connecticut. Just nothing out there. Nothing. Bob and I, like I said, we took our truck or four wheel drive truck out there as far as we could go because of it is really bad. And then we walked another mile into there and there's nothing out there. Talk about being vulnerable, like we know what's out here and we are going out here with nothing. But you know, harsh language, because there's there's nothing that's going to protect us. If anything were to come out. So there's there's nothing out there, so what what could this be? And again, you know, with us going out there, we have no clue what these things are capable of or how they're going to react each time that we go there, especially since we've had so many things you know, thrown at us and aren't little you know, dear missus kind of thing. So, I mean, I don't know, I don't know what to expect. We've been doing this, um probably a year now,

2:13:03 so it's going to be it's going to be interesting to go out. We haven't been able to go out as much as we've wanted to because the weather has been horrible. We can't take the H two's out in the rain. We can't take them out if it's windy, because you're going to hear wind. You want to be able to hear everything right that's around you. You don't want to be surprised. So we can't go out and not be able to hear. And yes, the H two will pick up things that in between the sounds, but not enough. You've got that wind blowing on the microphone. It's hard to hear if it's rained and you go out after the rain, you're hearing those rain drops are fallen off the tree. You know, if the wind blows a little bit, you just we don't want to be surprised. We want to be able to hear everything. Not to mention you can't. You know, you don't want to your equipment out and you know rain. So we've gone out a couple of times this winter.

2:14:16 Um, but again you know you can't. It's so weather dependent unless you even even with your naked ear going out there. If you have you know, a tree, branches knocking against each other, um, squeaking against each other, you can't hear what's around you. You just don't want to be surprised. And not just Bigfoot, you know you're talking any other you know, bear or any other animal that's out there. Um, you don't want to come and come into contact with unaware or by surprise. So it's been pretty interesting. So tomorrow night we're going out to the mass location. Oh wow, we haven't. That's right. You had told me that before, oh man wild. So it's supposed to be you know, it's supposed to be a good night. We've been planning this for probably a month and we we have to keep, you know, not to Maron and I'm sorry.

2:15:18 Friday night, Um, we're going out. Um we had to keep we had to keep canceling because somebody else is coming out with us and he's never been out before, and UM, you know we can't we you know, you can't go out if the training, you can't go out all those things that I you know, the weather related stuff. Um, so we've had to cancel. Uh, Friday is supposed to be good, so we're going out for sure, and we haven't been there in a while, so I'm curious to see what what's going to happen. It'll be somebody else goes out there. Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear what happened. So you definitely let me know if anything cool happens when you go out Friday night. But I will definitely will. This has been just a fantastic chat about Worcester County and Massachusetts and somewhere on the east border of Connecticut. I mean, you guys are doing some cool stuff. And thank you for Sharon, what you've experienced over the years you and absolutely thank you for having us on that was It's it's been really fun. I can you know, I can talk about boot before you go. Is is there any way that people can keep up to date with what you're doing with Bigfoot? Or are you and Bob just kind of in the shadows doing your thing if someone pulls you into a podcast

2:16:52 and that's how we get to hear about it. Basically, Okay, yeah, we don't where where, I don't know. We we don't advertise, we don't you know, do YouTube. Um, we kind of just keep to ourselves. But um, I do have I do have a an email if they do want to get in touch with me anybody wants to ask a question or you know, I'm not going to give out the locations simply because um, the way that we feel about it is we don't want not everybody's going to be um careful, I guess maybe is the word. I don't want anything to happen to them. I don't want the area to get saturated so that they lose their you know, the places they live because this area and I'm assuming that the Connecticut area is the same, but I know that mass area we have activity all year around, so you know, I it's it's probably their base home area. And I don't want them to be pushed out, you know what I'm saying. We take people there that we trust

2:18:28 to not you know, have it. It's it's almost like, you know, you don't want anybody to go in there and ruining it for them, for the big Foot that are there, this new group that moved in. Um. Again, the last time we were there, they were still there. We haven't been there in a while, so I'm curious to see if they are still there. But I certainly don't want to push them out, and I don't want them to be pushed out from that area. They're happy there, I don't. I don't want anything to happen to them. So that's one of the reasons why, you know, we don't advertise or I mean everybody you can obviously incognito or you know, thereabouts or whatever it's in this area right Um. But I don't know, it's just we were very protective of them and we don't want anything, you know, to happen to them. Now, the Connecticut ones, that's a whole different kind of different.

2:19:35 They're kind of different down there. Yeah, it's yeah, it's no whole bar bar there. I don't know with them, we don't know what to expect. Exactly. Yeah, but if you know, we're planning on again picking up as soon as we can get out there. Uh and if anything happens, I will let you know, um my email. We're also a metal detectress, so we've been doing that for thirty some odd years. So the email is coin Hunters two at yahoo dot com, so it two is spelled out two perfect, and I'll have that in the show notes as well. Definitely. But yeah, they can contact you know, me at any time. I'm not saying yeah, you know how that goes. I don't check my email very often. I mean, i'll check it, but we've gone back and forth with the whole email thing, so but I will respond if they do, you know, send me an email, perfect and real quick. Before we go. Me talking to the listeners specifically for all you New England people that are listening to this episode. If you have bigfoot things that have happened to you in Massachusetts specifically Western mass or southern New Hampshire, Connecticut. You guys don't talk a lot, so I'd love to talk to you about it. Please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or share it in the comments. Norma it's been a great time chatting with

2:21:09 you, and I just interject yes, and I just interject one thing if any again along the same lines as what you're saying. If anyone want it, is concerned about an area, if they want an area of there's you know, checked out, they can also get a hold of us and we will do our best to you know, see what's going on there, because we've done that before too. Yeah, and again they can contact me through the email. Well, we've been doing this a long time, so we're used to it. There you go, maybe too long. Well, thank you so much for hanging out tonight, Norma, and say thank you to Bob as well. Yes, thank you so much too. You're at big Foot Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered your bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening. We hope to see you back

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