Sasquatch is Watching at Gypsy Meadows! | Washington

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0:57 But enjoy this. Episode all right, Big the Society. We've got Curtis Miller and David Fuller and Candy Fuller back this time. You might remember Curtis and David from an earlier episode. Of course, they are the two doctors that we had on and the episode that we had about their adventures throughout I believe it was California and the Pacific Northwest, specifically Gypsy Meadows. They had said that later on in the year they were going to be going out again, and so a lot of listeners reached out to me. They were like, Hey, are we going to have Curtis and David back on to figure out what happened to these guys. I'm happy to say that we have them both on, and we've got Candy along for the ride this time as well, because Candy was up there with them this time too. Correct, yes, perfect, Before we get started, just so that our audio listeners can figure out voices, do you mind if I'll have Curtis say a few words first.

1:59 Thanks having us, Jeremiah, it's good to be back. Absolutely, And David, Hey, thanks Jeremiah, it's going to be back. We had a really interesting year. And Candy, thanks for having me for my first time. This is going to be very interesting and a lot of fun. Absolutely, guys, is it man? Last time we talked for it was a good two hours. It was a pretty solid one. Is there any way to maybe do a really basic foundation about what you guys have been through so far, I don't know if that's even possible to do in a few minutes. You mean from our first trip twenty twenty two, And yeah, well now, okay, yeah sure. David and I got into bigfoot on a whim. I had been to Nepaul and seeing the pangbochet Yetti, and I knew David had an interest in bigfoot, so we decided to go bigfooting in twenty twenty two. And we're basically rookies. But just a quick summary of that trip. We went to the Siskiu Wilderness in northern California as the crow Flies. We were probably twenty to twenty five miles away from Bluff Creek.

3:06 But while we were there for a whole week, we found a number of tree structures. We just found trees that were suspended by other trees, just almost as if they were floating in the air. Obviously they were being held by vines and things like that. We found a big igloo structure that seemed like a primitive shelter, did not appear to be occupied by humans, and there was a number of piles of large scat that were around it. While we were there, we also found sixteen inch footprints, and then our last day before we left, we had pine cones thrown at us. So that was quite a memorable trip. We didn't get back into it until twenty twenty four in August. We decided this time to go to a different place, and after watching a number of people on YouTube, we chose to go to northeastern Washington, near the Samo Priests Wilderness, to a place called Gypsy Meadows if you remember. There we also found sixteen and a half inch footprints. We found a pretty good X structure that seems pretty amazing, very symmetrical, and happened to be pretty strategic in its location. We had a number of vocalizations, a lot of them were associated with bard Owl's and we can talk a little bit about that later.

4:21 And then one of our fellow campers about an eighth of a mile away from us, had a class A siding of a bigfoot that David and I missed by probably thirty seconds, and we have a little update on that later on in the talk. And after that trip, Jonathan Brown, who you know, have heard of our trip and he started talking to us via text and phone conversations and he wanted to get together with us to film us and interview us regarding that trip to Gypsy Meadows, and then after that we were on podcast with Matt Napp and then subsequently on your podcas. The experience of meeting Jonathan Brown and eventually Sarah Brown and then you and Matt Knapp has introduced us to a whole probably ten or fifteen contacts that we wouldn't have had otherwise.

5:13 David and I are still rookies in this, but we have a number of people that we can send things to that would have never happened had we not been on your podcast or Matt's podcast, So that's neat and in fact, we've had some people reach out to us to get our opinion on some things that have to do with anatomy, because if you remember, we're both doctors, so that's neat here. We are rookies, and we have people sending us videos asking us questions about anatomy. So that was our background up until this last year. If you remember, when you were interviewing USU asked us what our future plans were, and I think we said on Saturday, we're going back to Gypsy Meadows, And that was June of twenty twenty five, and that was our first trip this year.

5:58 Yeah, So as I Curtis said, Jonathan and Sarah Brown of Sally's Sasquatch they wanted to film us. So we went up to Gipsy. Meant it was a lot of snow up there, and so it didn't clear out until April, and so we decided to go up in June. And so Sarah and John invited will Omer who was Grassman fifty eight on YouTube and because that was his research area and they wanted to film his some of his stories. And then he invited Marshall White, which is Bushcraft Explorer on YouTube and along with Aaron West, was a friend of them, and both of them had been on their videos. But will and Marshall showed up on Wednesday, and Sarah and Jonathan were coming in on Friday. Because we're driving so far it's like a two thousand mile round trip, we decided not just to go up for the weekend, but we went up earlier and we decided to go up to the NABC and go around Mount Hood and maybe do another site on the way up because we weren't supposed to be up there till Wednesday. Candy had interest in Bigfoot and enjoys camping, so she wanted to go, and then Curtis's wife after that decided she would go, but she couldn't come in until Wednesday, so we picked her up and spoke Hanne and I let Candy describe it how she got interested.

7:17 I got interested because number one, I didn't have I didn't have a choice because I'm living with who pretty much day and night. We've been watching videos, listening to YouTube's podcasts. So I decided I might as well go along and see if I can hear things and see things that might get me right on along with these two guys and believing that there's possibly a Bigfoot out there. So because of all the stuff that I have seen in the last what two years, it has really sparked my interest. And going with them was really a lot of fun and I really did enjoy it to the fact that I would really like to go back. I'd like to go all over the United States if possible, that would be great.

8:11 Yeah, I mean that's the dream, right to go all over the United States and do Bigfoot stuff like how finding Bigfoot did back in the day, I think, But yeah, continue to keep feel free to continue, guys. So as we were driving up that Saturday, as David said, we had about a thousand miles to get to Gypsy Meadows from David's house, we were texting Jonathan Brown because he was going to meet us on Friday, and he told us Sarah had just gotten back from Gifford Pinchot and while she was there, she recorded a number of vocalizations in this one specific campground and it seemed like the campground was surrounded by things that we're doing vocalizations, and he even sent us a copy of that audio.

8:57 And our plan had been to go to the NABS and then probably go to Mount Hood, but once we heard that audio, we decided to go to Gifford Pinchot National Forest instead and go to that campground. And the morning we got to the campground, Jonathan called us or texted us, I can't remember which, and he told us that the camp post had just called him and said that Sarah had heard that vocalization and recorded it two nights before. But the camp host had been sitting the night she left in his trailer and he heard monkey chatter right outside his trailer. So that was interesting. When we got there we met the camp host and he said, yeah, it happened again the night before we arrived, So two nights in a row, both he and his wife had heard monkey chatter, and his wife had said that she heard it. She had the TV was playing. At first, she thought it might be on the TV, so she turned the TV down and then it stopped, and when she turned the audio back on the TV, the monkey chatter happened again right outside her trailer. And she did that two or three times, turning the volume down and everything would stop. But as soon as the volume of the TV went up, the monkey chatter started again. So that was neat that for two days in a row before we got there, and then the maybe three or four days before we got there, all these vocalizations had occurred.

10:18 And that first night that we were there, about twelve thirty and at one o'clock, we heard some vocalizations. We have them on audio. Mostly they sound like bard owls, and there are a lot of bar owls in the area, but we did have one high pitched sort of scream that lasted about three seconds. And once we got that on audio, we went and reviewed Sarah's audio that she had sent us and one of the vocalizations that had occurred in her maybe thirty or forty second audio was a very similar sound to that high pitched scream that we heard. So that was neat to get that. One other thing that happened I told you about us getting to meet people that we would have never met otherwise had we not been on all your podcasts. Jonathan ranged for us to meet a couple of BFRO people that were up there the net. They were there for the next weekend to host a BFRO camp out, but they were there a few days early to scout the area and talk to locals. So that was neat that we were going to be able to meet those guys as well.

11:29 So the next morning we got up, we decided, okay, what are we going to do? We were there for a couple of days, so we just looked on the map and found some forest roads and say, hey, let's go driving. So we went driving up this forest road does a couple of miles up from the camp and as we're driving along, I see this harvested area of area of wood is probably one hundred yards wide, maybe five hundred yards deep or so. That went up a hill and I was like, Hey, that's fresh dirt. Let's check that out. So we stopped in there, walked up and we're looking along the edge of it, and so I go, hey, Kurt, come look at this. We got I found two tracks that were coming or perpendicular to the area in the soft dirt on the side. There was like soft dirt and then hardware cars or tractors or whatever had gone and then soft dirt on the side.

12:22 And so we had two fourteen inch prints. There were fourteen by six inch prints there and the step length was fifty inches, which was a pretty big step link, and it was the elevation change was probably maybe six inches, so it could have been a normal flat would have been a little less than that, but not much, but fifty inches was a pretty big step length that that. So we scanned it. We the scan We use the scanner, and then we casted that print and it turned out pretty well. And while David was casting, we noted that there was an x structure very close to where these prints had come out of the wilderness, and maybe the extra structure was natural, I don't know, but it just interesting that it was right where the Prince came out onto this dirt area. And then we also noticed that whole dirt area that David was talking about that was parking lot size, had been scraped out of the forest. Everything was out of it, all the sticks and trees. But we found one little log, probably about two feet in diameter that was sitting in the middle of that cleared out area.

13:30 And on top of that where four or five rocks stacked on top of each other. And then on top of that there was a branch maybe four feet long that was balancing on top of the rocks. Now it's not to say a human couldn't have done that, but it was all we're near this X structure and where David had found these prints. And then also while he was mixing up plaster of Paris, we started hearing chatter coming from up the ridge just behind the X structure, and this was essentially the first road from our campground. It was about, like David said, a couple miles up the road. There were no other roads that appeared to go off that would have gone up to there, and there didn't appear to be any trails, and we started listening to how somebody got there, I don't know. Seemed to be in the wilderness. But we started listening to the chatter and it sounded like women talking, and we couldn't make out what was being said, whether it was a foreign language or not. And this probably only lasted for about twenty seconds or so, but it came basically up the ridge right behind where David was casting this print.

14:46 Well, David was doing the casting, I decided that I wanted to walk on the other side of the hard dirt and see if maybe I could find something on the other side to see if maybe it had continued walking in that direction. And it took me, I don't know, thirty seconds and I found two more footprints. So I had the guys come over. They looked at them, they measured them, and they were the exact same length as the first two that David had found coming down off of the mountain. So that was pretty exciting for me. So that was four prints all in one in my third day, second day of going out and looking for Bigfoot, So that was really exciting for me.

15:32 That's fantastic. Yeah, that's the cast from the Gifford Pincho place. Most listeners are on board with us about Shoe National Forest. It's a big place, I mean it goes. All over. Are you able to share if you were on one side more than the other, or is this a place where it's we're keeping it under wraps because it's got an active research area in a way, we've.

16:15 Been asked to keep the specific name under wraps. This is basically the same area where those two unfortunate men passed away Christmas Eve, so it's the same basic area. Our whole time we were in Gifford Pinchot from Sunday to Wednesday, we basically were within a five mile radius of that area. Candy, you had. I remember the first time that I found a big foot track. It's just it was the coolest thing. It was like, how did you feel in that moment where you're like, oh, I found something there? It is? Well, when I found it, of course, I didn't say anything right away because I had to look around to see if I can find it another one. One to me just seemed like it would be a little weird in that area. Seemed like there should have been at least one more, maybe two more. So yeah, I walked around, looked at it from all different angles, and then I realized that is what I'm looking at. I am looking at a footprint a foot truck. So it was all right, you guys, I think I found some more And that was the very beginning of my Okay, I need let's keep going. I need to find some more stuff. I want to hear some more stuff. So it really got my juices flowing in that.

17:31 Well that was cast was hardening. I left it hardened for about a couple more hours. We decided to go drive further up the road. As we're driving along, I saw, I guess, a structure on the right hand side, so I stopped and got down and looked at it. But what I noticed was that the these sticks were leaning up against a tree, but the small parts of the branches were down and the largest were up, and so that was pretty interesting to me. And I go looking on there, and I grabbed some of them and I pulled them up and they were jammed in the ground. And as I looked around, I saw a game trail going right by there, and it made a right hand turn right at that area, and we headed towards the road, and then right across the road from there, we saw another X structure at that area. Jonathan had told us that those two bigfooters had died in that area before six months before. So before sundown, we went driving down the road that they had told us about, and about two thirds the way up we parked and there was no one else around or the cars or anything, and Curtis was walking ahead of us about one hundred yards and then Candy had an interesting experience.

18:44 We were walking out there and I had done some whistling prior, just playing around, and I believe it was Curtis and said, hey, Candy, do a whistle. So I did a whistle and I got a response, and I decided, Okay, I'm going to do another one. So I did another whistle. I got another response, and they're like, okay, do it one more time. So I did it for a third time, and I got another response and it was the exact same whistle as I whistled. And my I don't know if I can whistle right at the moment because I have lost my voice, but I was and I got the exact same whistle back all three times, and that was very interesting.

19:33 Boy, that is I've seen that played out in Oregon, and it is That's one of those things where it makes you really question what's going on, Wow, this is really happening. Now. How far away would you feel that whistle that was returned to your Candy? Oh, I would say it was maybe one hundred yards or if not less, if not less, And I was. One hundred yards in front of that, and I could hear it too, probably if you had our two positions, it was in the middle of us and however far away. But we almost formed like a triangle. The two of you know, Candy and David were at one corner of the triangle. I was at the other, and whatever responded was at the third corner of the triangle.

20:20 That's very interesting. So it started getting dark, you know, get dusk was coming, so I said, hey, let's get going. So we got back in the truck and we were driving out. And as we're driving out, I see a tree break and I hadn't seen it on the way in, so it was a fresh break with the leaves at the end of the break were still green. And I got out of the truck go check it out. And when I got out of the truck, I started walking over it. All of a sudden, I got this feeling I need my gun, because as we were driving I had taken my gun off and in the truck, and it left it there because we were right along the side of the road. I said, no, I need my gun. So I walked back and opened the car door, and they, Curtis and Candy are like, what's going on. I just said, I just need my gun. So I got my gun, put it in the holster, and then went back and started looking around and inspecting there.

21:12 And I didn't originally get out because my window was down and this was on my side of the truck, and I could see it clearly just by sticking my head out the window. And I saw David come back, and like he said, we asked, what are you doing? And he said, I need my gun. And I've known David for over fifty years and he's a big guy, and I've seen him stop fights just with a look. And I've never seen him I don't even know if this was scared, but I've never seen him flustered. And I could tell he was flustered. When I said what are you doing? He said, I need my gun. And so I got out and we just to the right of that picture, there's a little game trail and we took.

21:55 That back, so we walked back there and we find this. There's a small meadow, only about twenty yards wide and maybe fifty yards long, but there's definitely some trampled down grass in that meadow and if something big had walked had gone through there. So at that time I was like, yeah, I'm glad I got my gun. This was probably only one hundred yards or so, maybe two hundred yards from where Candy got the whistles and the trampled down area. David does he studies tracking, and he can tell you what he saw. But it looked relatively fresh there. When you see walking through the meadow, you can see depending how fresh it is, shine from the grass, and we could still see that. So it had not happened very much longer from the time we had been there.

22:47 I don't know if the tree break happened at that time. I don't know. I know the tree break was fresh, but something had definitely walked through that meadow, not too just some time from when. We were there, and just and this everything that's happening here. This is, you said, a few miles away from that area where the two gentlemen went missing. This was on the road. This is a road that they were on. Yeah, those whistles and that tree break were essentially in the area where they had parked, apparently what we were told by some of the locals and verified by the BFRO.

23:27 One of the BFRO people was on search and rescue for the valley. He wasn't on this that their rest their search and rescue, but he knows people who were, and they said that they had parked at the end of the road and walked in, and so we drove in about a mile and a half, So we were essentially in the same area where they were, where the tree break was, and where Candy got these whistles, same basic road. What were the sounds of the forest like in that area besides whistling. At that time around the tree break, I didn't hear anything. I didn't either that that was quiet. I think that's what gave David hebgb's when we got the whistles.

24:14 I think there were probably just normal sounds, but David's right, it was completely silent when I got out of the truck. So later that night we got some vocalizations about one am. They predominantly sounded like owls, so we didn't think much of it. I tend to be an early riser. I got up about five and David and Candy were still asleep, and most of the vocalizations we had came from the mountain across the main road from the campground, and this is also where Sarah said the vocalizations had started that she recorded. Now she also got some on the other side of the campground. All of ours came from the mountain area. And I decided to go for a walk to see if I could get either up that mountain easily or try to look at and about a quarter mile down the main road, I found a road that looked like it cut up into the mountain and it went on the back side of the mountain. I walked up about a mile and a half. I would say probably didn't get anywhere near the top of this mountain, but I'd probably climbed a couple hundred feet. And I'm looking and listening as I go up, and about ten feet off the road, I saw a couple of bones and I didn't think much of it, but I went and looked at them, and then I realized I know a little bit of about anatomy. I'm an orthopedic surgeon, and this looked like the fore quarter of a deer.

25:36 So what was there was basically the shoulder blade of the deer and what would be equivalent to our upper arm or humorous, and then the forearm for us radius and ona, and then the paw. And they had been picked clean. But the interesting thing about it there were no other bones around. And this was probably ten feet off of the road that kind of cut up behind the mountain. They had been picked completely clean, and yet they had a scavenger hadn't come in and taken the bones away. They were literally anatomics sitting there with no soft tissue, no ligaments, nothing holding them. But they were all wind up, just like they would be in an anatomy class. Now, I don't know what that meant. I don't know if the animal died there, but no other bones were there. It was just interesting that basically the front quarter of this deer was ten feet off the road.

26:31 And then that morning, once David and Candy were up, we went and met those two people who were with the BFRO and they told us a number of the stories, including the one about what happened on Christmas Eve. They gave us a little more information and they said in their research, they had talked to a number of people who lived in the area, a number of the locals, and basically the locals said that they called this Skukum Valley, that was the nickname they gave to it because there were a number of sasquatchs in the air end. They said that most of the Sasquatch were relatively friendly, I guess is the right term, at least tolerant of people. But they said there was one really angry Sasquatch male in the area who was known to throw rocks and bluff charge and stuff like that. So we got that story from the BFRO people.

27:21 And this is just accounts from people that live in the area, you're saying, correct. They had They then did research by contacting known people or known bigfooters in the area and getting stories, and they said they talked to a number of people. In fact, one we'll talk about in a little bit. He came down and talked to us a little bit later in the week. But so that yeah, they I guess. As part of their research they try to find out things that happen in the area so they can pass them on to the campers that come. And also they know where to look and where to go at night and stuff like that. They had done research to talking to locals. So later on that afternoon, after we talk to them, we'd stop by their camp. And then we decided we had such a good time at the forest road before, let's go up a different one. So we went back and went up a different forest road. So they're driving along.

28:10 We come around to this corner and I see this road that goes off to the right, but it's gated, and I go, hey, that'd be a nice easier hike. So we go on there, and it was an awesome road. It was there was no obstruction, we could walk easily, but it was gated. There was no one back there. And so we're walking down this road and I usually Curtis and Asally tried to. I call it tactical walking. Curtis calls it leap frogging. But usually where one person stops and listens while the other person goes about twenty yards ahead in case something happens while they're walking. And so when Candy and I would go ahead, Curtis would stay back and he Curtis heard something. Yeah, we probably were maybe two hundred yards on this road.

28:54 I guess we ended up going about a mile, but about two hundred yards in the road was up against on one side a ridge that probably went up about thirty feet, and we'd walked most of the way in doing this tactical leap frogging walk, and about two hundred yards in I started hearing something when David and Candy took off, and something walking up on the ridge, and it seemed to be paralleling them, And when I passed them on my turn, I whispered to him, we'll see what happens again. And I got maybe twenty or thirty yards in front of him, stopped, and they took off again, and the same thing happened. This happened about four or five times in a row that you could literally hear something walking up on that thirty foot ridge paralleling David and Candy. And they said they listened every time I would leapfrog them, and nothing ever happened when I went ahead of them. But it only happened when those two went ahead of me, So that was interesting. What it was, I don't know, but something definitely paralleled them on this ridge.

30:03 So when Curtis told us about that, we decided to keep walking looking to the left there and down some game trails that we started, I start following and going going up in that area. And I think I mentioned to you last the last time when we talked about me wanting to learn to communicate with Sasquatches. Yes, people had asked me about what are you going to do when you see one? And I had been for a few months now, I had been They've all been laughing at me, But I've been learning a Native American sign language. And so when I go up to these game trails, and I think it's almost paralleling us. I go up there and I would do Native American sign language just to the woods. I didn't see anything but hoping that they're watching or seeing things. So it was fun to get some of the practice and doing that. And I think that I would hope that maybe the generations of Sasquatches from the Native Americans, maybe they passed it on.

31:00 So we did hear a few whistles as we're walking along that side. We went in about a mile and a half, I heard it, said, I mean, it was awesome. It was quiet as far as normal wood sounds, things like that. As we went on, we rested for a while had some lunch and stuff, and when we came back, getting close to the truck, I heard some rock clacks to the right above in the same ridge area where we had heard the parallel stuff. So I grabbed a couple of rocks from the trail and I clacked two clacks back, and I got a response of two clacks. And I clacked again three clacks, and I get a response back of three clacks, and I clacked again two clacks.

31:42 I get response two clacks that three different times. I get through the same response back at the same time, right before we're taking off that thing. So that was really cool to hear that right as we're leaving that woods in that area. That evening in camp we were just relaxing right before sunset, and all the vocalizations we had heard the first couple of nights. Like I said, we're across the road. We were probably in the campground maybe one hundred to two hundred yards in from the main road, and so everything was on that mountain across the road where I found that four quarter of the deer, and so yeah, I would estimate the calls were probably a quarter mile away, half mile away, something like that. But We're resting that evening in our campground, and all of a sudden we hear a whoop, and this whoop sounded like it was fifty yards away. Now, the campground it had a road that came off the main road, probably came in about fifty yards maybe one hundred yards, and then the campground was formed a circle, and the circle, I would guess, is about three eighths of a mile around, and most of the campsites were on the outside of the circle, and the inner portion of the circle was essentially forest.

33:01 There were a couple of camp sites in that center portion, but nobody camped there the whole time we were there. And it sounded like, if we could estimate where it was, that whatever made this call was in that center portion, so maybe just two hundred feet away. So we grabbed our gear and David started slowly walking through that center portion. Candy and I walked up the road maybe seventy five eighty feet and there was one of those open camp sites in the center of the circle, and we went into that because it was clear, and we thought we could look around, but we didn't find anything, and I knew David was crossing that central portion of the circle, and so I backed out of the campground, jogged around to the other side in case he flushed something out, and we probably looked for a half hour or so and it was getting dark. We never heard anything else, never saw anything else. So if something had been in that circle, it either an down and hid when David started going through that area, or left as soon as he started going through and was long gone. But that was interesting. On our last evening, and then that night at three am, David and I were both awakened and we thought we heard bipedal footsteps in our camp and we don't have anything on our audio from that, and our game cameras were down by the creek. We unfortunately didn't have any game cameras pointing at our campground. But

34:32 that was an interesting way to end our Gifford Pinchot experience. Yeah, we had, like I said, the bart owls. There were bart owl sounds, but then they would change and get weird. So that was similar to what we had been heard in Gypsy Meadows. Also, Yeah, that last evening I told you that one of the locals had dropped by, and he came by that last evening. Jonathan Brown had told him we'd be there and he came by, and he was a really guy to talk to. He had lived in the area all his life. He was probably in his late fifties early sixties. I would guess. He said he'd had bigfoot experiences ever since he was a teenager hunting in the area. He was an outdoorsman, did a lot of hunting. Then he started telling us a number of stories, and they were all great, and then he says, hold on, see, I got to show you something. He went to his car or his truck and pulled out this long tube like you'd put a poster in, or maybe a rod if you're fishing, like a long cardboard tube. And he pulled out a map. And the map was probably two and a half feet by four feet, and it was of the whole area. And he had documented all of his experiences on this map where he'd had sightings, vocalizations, footprints.

35:52 He probably had I would guess seventy five to eighty documents on this map of dots that were color coded. Here's where I saw one, Here's where I saw footprints. It was just amazing, and he basically from that his experience of being in the area for forty five years or so hunting, he believes and looking as map I believe him he knows the migrational pattern of these beings just based on the food sources in the area, when the berriers are ripe, when the elcher around, when the deer are around. And it's just amazing the document that he has. So that afternoon the next day, we finally decided it was time to go meet everybody at Gypsy Meadows.

36:41 So we drove up there, picked up my wife and Spokane, and we drove up to northeast Washington, and Sarah and Jonathan had, as David had said, had invited Willelmer and Marshall White because they had done a lot of on YouTube in the area. They hadn't actually been to Gypsy Meadows, but they and a lot of research down along Sullivan Creek and Sullivan Lake, which are just below Gypsy Meadows. And so they came and we met them in the camp, talked to them around the campfire, and got to know them. Then about one o'clock that morning, I was awakened by a loud knock that sounded like it was near our camp. Stayed awake for about a half hour. I didn't hear anything else, never picked up that knock on my audio, which was probably fifty yards away. The next day, we hiked around the area with those guys, showing them some of the things that we had seen the previous year, including that X structure, and where other things had been, where that one gentleman had seen the Bigfoot and that kind of thing. Spent the day doing that.

37:48 So I sent you the picture of Gypsy Middle Camp site so you can get a sense of what it's like there. That afternoon, after we had shown them the X structure, when I'd go take a nap and actually went to Candy's hammock and just resting there, and all of a sudden, I hear this thud like right behind me. It's eight feet behind me. And when I go and look, I'm looking around at the rock and I go, was there some more going to come? And I actually go look around and I most rocks are embedded in the forest bed and the needles and stuff. But there was one rock that was clean that was right about eight feet away from my head, and I picked it up and threw it up in the air and let it land so I could see if it sounded the same and it did that I brought home and it's sitting on my mantle for it.

38:38 Kenny loves the decoration. Yeah, real quick, so candy at this point. So I'm speaking from experience. When I started to get into what I guess you'd call fieldwork and like going out there into the field and not just like watching YouTube videos about it. You get to a point where you have something happened where it's really pushes you over the edge and pasted one hundred percent. Okay, this is real. Was that something that did you ever get to that experience or is that something that maybe we haven't talked about yet or it is yet to come for you.

39:19 We haven't talked about it yet. Okay, so we'll talk about it a bit. It is coming, okay, yes, it is. So. The meadow had has three campsites, and Will, Marshall and us took up all the site campsites there so that evening before dinner, about thirty minutes was right after something that had thrown a rocket by my head. Will and Marshall come over and they're hearing al hoots and a loud knock from across the road. And the same year the previous that we had heard the same group where I had called Samurai or Sierra sounds go running through there and it ran up that ridge. So when Will came over and told us he had heard that, we grabbed our gear and took off and went up towards that ridge up behind Marshall's camp. So as we got up on the main road, we get up there also when we hear these two low grunts or whoo sounds as we come up on the road. So we went across the main road we started climbing up the mountain across air. It's a really steep angle, is difficult to climb, but about seventy five feet up the mountain, Will found another X structure and I think I sent a picture of that one. It was right in line with the other one that we had found a year before, right behind our camp, but you couldn't see it from the road, but definitely we got into that tree line that's where he had found it. So we kept climbing in about fifty more vertical feet up above that X, Curtis found

40:51 something that was really interesting. As David said, Will found this X and it seemed to be in line with the other X. We had found the year before, wasn't quite as big. But we kept going up the hill, and I think you have my video that was from my GoPro on my chest pack. When we got to a certain area, we probably went up, like David said, another fifty to seventy five vertical feet, And in the video you can't really it doesn't give you an appreciation of the steepness, but it was probably forty five or fifty degrees up, so every step forward you'd go up a foot, or every step foot forward you go up a foot, basically. And so we got up, like I said, about fifty to seventy five more feet, and I came to this log and I realized it was on flat ground. I could probably easily step up on that log and just keep going. Since it was at a forty five degree angle above me, I decided to take a quick turn to the left. I probably went about fifteen twenty feet, and all of a sudden, I saw a number of pine boughs and they were all fresh, and I saw them from a distance, and I got closer and all the pine boughs were arranged in a circle, and David looked. I called him over and he looked at him and called will over, and David realized that some of the pine boughs were actually weaved together. There was one long one that essentially went had been bent and interwoven, so it went about halfway around the circle. And then in the center of the circle was a depression that literally looked like, for lack

42:25 of a better term, two butt cheeks. And then we turned around and looked down the hill and this was essentially in line with that second X. And we looked further and we could see the road through the break in the trees. Now you could not see this from the road because of that old saying you can't see the forest for the trees, but when you were in the trees, you could see through breaks you could see the road. So this was a perfect observation point to watch the road. And then we looked even further and you could we were high enough up the mountain that you could look over the top of the trees that were between our camp and the main road, and you could see the far side of the meadow, not very much of it, but you could see the creek and just maybe a few feet of the meadow itself. So from that position of that picture that you see there, you could observe the road and you could observe a portion of the meadow. So that was crazy to find this thing. And the year before and this year we had always heard things up on that ridge and this was a flat area. I know that I said it was mostly vertical, but this was maybe a six y ten foot area that was just flat. I don't know if it was naturally flat or it had been made flat, but these pine boughs were interwoven to create a seat.

43:53 It wasn't big enough for anything to sleep in. It wasn't a nest. It was probably, would you say, David, maybe four and a half five feet across something with that. Yeah, it was probably five feet across. And the other if you remember heard of the interesting thing is that Will was looking around and he actually found knuckle imprints on the snide. If something would put your knuckles to on the ground to push up on the side of the that seat or perch as we call it, that's where the knuckle prints were. I'm going to play that video real quick of the same area.

44:42 Can I imagine or is that a place to sit? It doesn't look like a place to lay down, but it might be a place to sit. And we saw that car go by, so you can see the road probably ext Yeah, yeah, it was all we were around. It may not be, but I don't know. That is so cool man, And so that's you two guys, and Will's with you right there.

45:26 Yes, Marshall, he was with us as well, but he was further up the mountain. After we found that, we documented it with pictures, we did not cast it. Marshall had gone further ahead and we caught up with him, and we eventually came to a rock wall that we couldn't get past, so we didn't go any further. We starting to get a little close to dark, so we went back to our camp and split up for dinner. And while Will and Marshall were in their campsite eating dinner, they heard whoops coming from that area. And then later that night we were all around the campfire, which is kind of what we tended to do in the evenings, and while we were around the campfire, a rock hit a tree close to us. We don't have it on a recorder, but it hit a tree, and then probably twenty seconds after the rock hit the tree, we heard two knocks coming from up in that ridge where the pine boughs were formed in a circle there. They got a response shortly after after we got down, maybe twenty minutes after while they were eating dinner, and then later that evening we got another response from up on that same ridge, and then about two in the morning I was awakened by predominantly I think they were bard owls, or at least they sounded like bart owls, but they were going off and they probably went for a minute or two, different ones calling from around the valley. And

47:01 the reason I mentioned this is both in twenty twenty four and then again this year, on both of our trips, bard owl calls were associated with strange things that happened. So we came up with a couple of different theories. We've talked to a number of people. Perhaps all the vocalizations we heard were barn owl's, and that is one option. A lot of people say bart owls can make weird calls. Most of the calls may have been bard owl's, but that would not explain the sierra sounds that David heard. And if you remember, the sierra sounds that David heard were witnessed by another group of campers who were awaking that same night, and they said that whatever made those calls run through their camp. So I don't think those were owls, but maybe the vast majority of the rest of the calls were out. Second theory is that Bigfoot is mimicking owls at some point. Maybe still most of the calls are owls, but we have had times where the calls degenerate into other calls. They go from the call of a bart owl to woops, or a car call of the bart owl to a whistle. Our third theory is perhaps Bigfoot is using the bard owl calls to mask their movements and or eventual calls like the whoops.

48:30 Whatever is involved there, whether it's predominantly bart owls or bigfoot. Strangeness always seems to occur right afterwards. And about an hour or so after these calls I heard is when Candy became one hundred percent of a believer. Let me just see if I can get you a little picture here. My husband decided that it would be really fun if he brought this little, itty bitty tiny two man and put himself and myself in this tin. It was so small. If I turned to the left, my face would be smashed with the tint. So that night I woke up a few times, should say in the middle of the night. Woke up a few times, and I thought I could hear what seemed to be like really soft walking, and it was up behind our tent.

49:29 I was awake. It was, I believe, just starting to get a little light outside, and I was laying on my right side and I was looking at David, and I was trying to figure out how in the world can someone sleep on their stomach and snore so loud, And just so you know, that was the noise that I was hearing. But all of a sudden, I had something poke into the tent, push in on my thigh, and then released and. Went back out. And I just started hitting David, yelling at him, telling him to wake up. Something has just touched me through the tent. I could tell that it was not the nose of something of an animal. It was seemed flat and big, and when it pushed into my thigh, it pushed in gently. It wasn't a strong trying to hurt me.

50:35 I didn't have that kind of a feeling, but it was enough that it really scared me. And so it took this guy about a minute to wake up, get turned over, unzip the tent, get the flashlight, then get his gun, then stand up, and we didn't see anything. There was nothing there. Leanless to say. After that, the last two nights, I took our bags that had our clothes in them, and I built a wall on that side of the tent and so I slept between my bags and David. And the next time we're going, we're getting a nice probably seven to eight man person tent so that I have room to sleep in the middle.

51:21 Absolutely. Absolutely Wow, So now your way into the Yeah, there's something real out there territory. Yeah, that would do it. Thank goodness. That was very exciting. So one thing that was interesting that later on Candy told me about was that at night she would go out if she needed to go to the bathroom. She got tend to go out behind the tent area and it'd be a hole put her she'd put her toilet paper in. But she found this volleyball sized rock that she would put over the hole where the toilet paper went. And every time she went back, something had picked moved that rock about two feet to the side off off the hole, and she would go back and she'd put it back when she had done, and it'd be moved again.

52:09 And when she had told us that, we started putting a couple things together, wondering if whatever had been smelling and that toilet paper had tracked her to the tent, and that had pushed to see if that's where it the odor had been, or where she had tracked her odor to that area. And interestingly, Terry would do the same thing, except she brought her toilet paper back to the campfire and through it in the campfire every night, and so there was nothing left in the forest to smell and associate with her. So it's interesting that Candy's the one that got touched when her toilet paper was in the forest, and Will had set up his thermal that night pointing right towards our camp. Unfortunately, David's big truck was between the thermal and the tent, so nothing ever showed up on Will's thermal, just like, yeah, they just seemed to know the electronics are.

53:16 So the next morning all of us went on a different hikes across into the wilderness. And you can get to the wilderness two different ways. You can either cross the creek or at the end of the meadow, there's a trail. You eventually have to cross the creek too if you go through the trail. But the guys Will and Marshall and Aaron went on a morning hike and they crossed the creek right by our camp and they were gone for a couple of hours when they came back basically at the opening of that trailhead at the end of the at the end of the meadow. The four of us went on a hike in the afternoon and we both left and came back via that trailhead, and none of us saw anything out of the ordinary.

53:56 The next morning, I woke up at about five point thirty and everybody was asleep, and I decided to go for a hike and I was going to go down to that trailhead. And Will had just he was in the last campground by the trailhead, and he was just getting up as well, and he was starting his fire, and we talked for a couple of minutes, and I said, I'll be back in ten or fifteen minutes. I'm just going to go for a quick hike. And I got down to right before the trailhead, and all of a sudden, I noticed two sticks, probably about five feet long each making an X on the ground. They weren't up in the air. They were lying on the laying on the ground, essentially right in front of the trailhead, and it was so obvious. I started thinking, how did I miss that?

54:40 The night before when we got back from our hike around four thirty or five, And so I went back before I went on a hike, and I went back to get Will, and I asked him had they seen it when they got done with their hike, and he said no, And eventually everybody gets up. Nobody had seen it. We've even gone back and looked at pictures and some drone footage that Will had taken. It was not there before on any of the pictures, and none of us had seen it when we passed that. So somewhere between four thirty five, when we got back in the evening from our hike, and then five thirty in the morning when I was hiking out the trailhead, something had placed those sticks on the ground forming an X. There were people camped probably a quarter mile away. We never saw anybody come into the meadow, So what put it there, I don't know, But that spot we didn't know it at the time, but in August our August trip, something else happened at that exact spot.

55:45 So Jonathan's and Sarah had shown up around Friday afternoon around dusk, and after they got settled in, they came over and we our camp was a bigger one, so we had a campfire around that area, and we're just telling stories about what happened on their property. And their channel was the least Sasquatch channel that you can see what they've recorded and stuff. But around eleven thirty, we all heard a tree knock behind our camp and these are all close to our camp that we're hearing us. And about five minutes later, so the tree knock was behind where our tenth was in our camp. But then we heard a twig snap or a noise about one hundred yards in the opposite direction, in the meadow from where the camp was. So of course we all grabbed our thermals and went over and started walking too that area.

56:38 And we're standing there and we'll started speculating. He goes, there might be two individuals here because whatever made that knock over here has not had enough time to quietly walk over to this area where we heard this break, So if there's two of them, I think we're going to hear another response from this other side. And crazy enough, we get a knock back from the other direction, and it's like, I don't know anything about Bigfoot. That was pretty cool that he had predicted that was going to happen, And just. To quickly interrupt and give a perspective for people who don't have a picture of where all this occurred, those two knocks came from basically the same place where Candy's little rock had been moved, and also where the year before those individuals had run through the camp and had everybody David and those two campers heard Sierra sounds. So same basic area right behind that one campsite.

57:46 And so as we're looking around our thermals, we'll notice is that a motion light goes off in his camp that's at the end of the meadow from our camp. So he goes over to investigate, and I'm looking at my thermal down the meadow and I just saw quick motion right on the edge. I could not tell what it was. I know it was on the edge of the meadow right across from his camp. I couldn't say what size it was I just saw a quick heat signature just move out. So that was interesting when he had that motion light come on and he had a setup, so it wasn't going to go off for limbs moving or trees moving or things like that. And there was no wind at that point with. That, So yeah, all that had occurred in about ten or fifteen minutes. Basically the meadow was surrounded by knocks, a branch break, and a motion like going off at all three corners of the meadow basically. So the next day Sarah and Jonathan did their filming and interviews, and so did Will, and that evening all of us got around the campfire again because that's when we had told stories and that's when everything had happened the night before, and not a lot had really happened that night. We kind of stayed up till about twelve thirty quarter or one, just talking and then we all went to bed, and about an hour after that, David and I were both awakened by multiple bar owls calling from around the whole valley.

59:19 And I think I sent you an audio of that, but you can tell there are probably three or four different volumes of the bard owl, and they went for about four or five minutes, and right in the middle on the audio, it sounds like a high pitched shriek. When David and I talked about it the next morning, we both thought we had heard monkey cheder who eee in the middle of the night during that five to ten second span where the high pitched shriek was. We've had some people listen to it. Nobody really knows what it was. Some people say it's an owl, and that owls can do a high pitched shriek. But even if it was an owl, I told you that seemed like a lot of these alcols seemed to proceed other things happening, or come after other things happened. That was our last night there. We all went back home and the next morning Will sent us a video about a week or two later, and he has now about a week ago published that video, so you can go to his channel if you want to see it. He had moved his thermal to a different part of the meadow to try to get a view of Candy's camp or Candy's tent in case that individual came back and tried touching her again, and so instead of looking long ways down the meadow.

1:00:42 He was looking across the meadow and he started reviewing all of that video from that night, and it was a thermal video, and he noticed something looked like a head, just a white hot head, peeking out from behind a tree. And he has about a thirty minute period where this thing, this white blob. You can see it slowly come out from behind the tree and go back, slowly, come out, go back. It probably came out, what would you say, David, thirty or forty times at that thirty minutes. I don't know. Yeah, at the end he decided he had to just his thermal to the left, but had been there for thirty minutes and it was there before he started it, right when he started his thermal, and it was there when he had moved it, So I don't know how long it stayed there, but it definitely was reacting like when someone would walk by the truck or something like that.

1:01:40 It would definitely move back and they would go back to the campfire. He would come back out, and there's a couple of spots that you can see on his video where it actually looked pretty big. So we I don't know that was after we he got the video about a week or two after we got back from that, and so that was he was one to get back and do a recreation of that. We ended up doing that recreation in August. We'll talk more about our August trip, but just since it's related to this. Bill Bisson, whose Selkirk Mountain Sasquatch, came with us in the August trip and he sort of acted as our peaker. We found the tree that the thing had been looking whatever it was coming out with the head.

1:02:23 That tree was sixty feet from our campfire. That's it. And the reason you don't see any more of the body is there's a berm of dirt and so it could not peak the other way and see us. It had to peak only one way, and so it kept coming out. And in the recreation. Bill is six'. Two he's a big. Guy the average human head is about six inches from side to, side six to six and a half, inches and this thing was just under fifty percent wider Than bill's, head so probably was about eight eight and a half inches. Across AND i did some Research andre the, giant who was seven, four five hundred, pounds his head was eight inches side, Decide so that gives you an estimate of the size of whatever was looking at us in the middle of the. Night and it's a crazy. Video you may not want to watch a half hour of, it but he put the whole half hour there so you could see how many times it came. Out and he has a. Scale he was able to line Up bill's head and the individual's, head and you can see what the. Ruler it's almost fifty percent.

1:03:43 Wider the other interesting, thing you could See bill's. Neck you could not see a neck on this. Individual you just saw a. Head that kind of ended Our june trip To Gypsy, meadows and we had decided we were going to go back one more time In, august and we had a number of things that happened there too. To just, so so both of those, trips you're traveling two thousand miles to get, there correct. A thousand each. WAY i guess that is so. Intense. Wow probably maybe we wouldn't be going back if things didn't keep, happening BUT i get that those are. Happening we will probably, always even Though kenny said she wants to go all around the, country our heart is At Gypsy meadows. Now we'll probably always at some point return to do some more.

1:04:37 Observation, yeah so we understand that it's very unusual for something to happen every time we've gone, out and we know that everyone ninety percent of time you go out, bigfooting you're not going to find anything or see. Anything but we've been very fortunate in what we've. Done so we had discussed. Before we didn't know what was going to happen when we went up With sarah And, john and it was great to Eat will And, marshall but we had decided before we went up there that we wanted to go back at the same time that we had been there the year, before so we had already planned to go back In august at the same week that we had been, There so even though we had done a trip with, them it was already in the works for. It so when we were going, BACK i got a hold Of will and, said, hey we're going, up do you want to come join? Us and he, said, yeah that'd be, Great and he really wanted to come back up and recreate that situation with the thermal and we had put my truck in the same spot and everything to make it just the way it, was so he was glad to come up and we had a good time when. There so When will came he decided to.

1:05:49 Stay they stayed in the campground that was out by the bathroom area where the other gentleman had witnessed that all ten staf. Squatch so we got, there we Met randy Lut he was the gentleman who had seen that sasquatch in twenty twenty. Four he had been Seeing will's videos And salice sasquatches videos and he was, LIKE i was, THERE i met those. Guys so he decided that he wanted to come. Up he had we had said we were going up In august at the same, week so he came up there again and camped in the same. Spot was interesting is he told the story that we had said that we had thought that the bigfoot had come out from the creek by the bathroom and out and that was, wrong and he was he gave A will did a good interview with him describing that, interaction and it actually said that the bigfoot had or sasquatch that we think it. Was that's what it. Was. Actually Following curtis AND i as we walked out the road from the meadow to the, BATHROOM i had gone into the, bathroom And curtis had kept going out to the main, road and he had seen this thing come along the opposite side of the road to the end of that area and turn and go back into the woods and then up the ridge where we keep talking or all those things keep. Happening so it was interesting that it was following, us not just randomly walking across from the

1:07:19 bathroom like we had thought it. Had that's what we had. Thought he had told, Us AND i Told, CURTIS i go that we have got to get our game, up because we don't walk down that. Road we're walking and looking and listening and paying attention when we're. Walking and if something's going to follow us like that and us not know, it that is amazing that we're missing. That so it's it really opened my eyes up to, say, hey we need to do something better from that if we're going to miss something like that by thirty seconds that, morning we had multiple. Calls we didn't get it on the. Audio the first night THAT i got my audio, out we put A we camped at the same campsite we did in twenty, four the same campsite That will camped In june And there is a weather station up about thirty yards up on the ridge above the. Camp it's a rain collection place and they have a post there AND i thought the good place to go put an audio up. There SO i went AND i put one of my audio recorders up, there and that WHEN i reviewed my Audio i'm getting the first NIGHT i get, these it's a bang AND i don't know what it.

1:08:33 Was will record it from his. Camp it was a lot quieter than from my, camp but it sounds like a, drum like a if someone has a steal drum and they're banging it in just a single. Bang AND i have about probably thirty of those bangs throughout the week of, recorded AND i don't know where they're coming. From but this first NIGHT i was recording AND i heard. This it's a voice of A it's like a young or a female voice talking right before the, bang and then it talks two or three times after the, bang AND i don't know. WHAT i don't know what it. Is it was in the, LENGTH i can't recognize the words or what's being, said but it sounds like a female type voice in, there and it's up on it's coming from the ridge up above our. Camp there's nothing back.

1:09:28 There it's woods and forests and it's two in the. Morning and so what that WAS i don't, know but it's an interesting audio AND i THINK i sent that to. You, YEAH i can play it real. Quick it's From august twenty, fourth that. One it's like a quick went. Down, okay here we. Go, yeah that's it for. Time that's so. Weird, yeah, Crazy and we hadn't heard that we'd slipped right through. It the next, morning we Decided david AND i to go on a hike across the creek into the, wilderness and we just barely got to the, creek which was probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred feet away from our camp is, All and we got to this little place where the creek sort of went around a little, sandbar and right in the middle of the, sandbar this pebbly kind of sandy, area we found a twelve inch print where you could see toes AND i think we scanned it and sent you the scan of that as, well and we eventually casted. It but to put that in, perspective the, yeah that's. It to put that in, Perspective david AND i both wear size. Thirteen

1:11:00 our foot is about eleven and a half, inches so if this was a, human their foot had to be a size fourteen shoe give her take to do. That later in the day a lady came in at the end of the meadow and she brought two horses and a trailer and two. Dogs and we're wondering if that would affect any of the activity in the, area but we mentioned her coming in only because it does play a ROLE a quick little. STORY a couple of days, later the second, evening we didn't really hear much except for some. Owls but about three in the, Morning david had bought a motion light and similar To, will's he said it so it was a branch moving wasn't going to set it, off and all of a, sudden our light goes off at three in the morning and we both heard footsteps going through the. Camp what it WAS i don't, Know but again we had cameras and thermal all, around and this was probably in a dead zone where all the cameras might have been pointed.

1:12:07 Towards and About tuesday, evening about nine, o'clock we were curtismir playing. Cribbage will comes down to our camp and he, says, HEY i just had a large tree break right behind my, tent and that's like within twenty yards of his, camp and then he was followed by a loud. Whoop so we hadn't set up our thermals at that time, yet so we decided to go ahead and get our thermals that we had boughten set. Up and we're looking at one lower looking the meadow and then one we put curtises up on the ridge behind. Us and while we're setting up our, thermals all of a, sudden we hear a knock to the northwest where we had previously been the previous year put gifts up in that. Area nothing had taken the, gifts but it was about one hundred yards to the northeast of where we. Were was that.

1:12:57 Knock so then we decided to sit there for about an hour or two in front of a truck and just. Listen and then we started hearing like four whoops and the same direction as a. Knock and then this was followed by strange bar. Owls they're calling back and, forth and then all of a sudden we started hearing these weird duck sounds coming from the fourth the direction of the first, knock AND i THINK i sent you that audio, too And i'm, going, like, what we got ducks in the. Forest, now there's no ponds or or water for these ducks to be sitting in around, here just in the middle of, forests coming from the, woods AND i, go, now we got. Ducks and so that was an interesting audio there. Too add to the other, thing we had two different whistles in the meadow in the tree, line and another whoop came from down by the, creek and then we had another knock that was coming from the gifting site that we had recorded duck sounds.

1:13:49 From so we are going to play an audio right now that does have a bit of static on. IT i would recommend turning down the volume for people that are, listening and let me do that as well a little. Bit, okay here we. Go so those were probably TEN pm ELEVEN pm that.

1:15:45 Night perhaps again many of those might be bard, owls but we, also As david, said heard knocks and, whistles and then whatever was making that other sound that to our naked ear sounded like ducks had a. Curve around ten, pm so we went to bed and we had set up our thermals when will it had come, down Like david, said and our thermals were brand, new we didn't know how long the batteries would. Last so about five in the, morning we both were awakened by rain starting to come, down and we both decided to get out of bed and go get our thermals so they wouldn't get, damaged and we brought them in and as we were bringing in our, thermals we heard some more, hoots owl hoots like those same. Ones then we heard a whoop and those were coming from that same gifting area That david was talking. About and just to put that in, perspective that gifting area is probably fifty to seventy five yards in the trail head in from that trailhead where we found THE, x so all those sounds were coming from, there and then down at the other end of the.

1:16:58 Meadow at five in the, morning when we went to get our, thermals we heard a couple of, whistles so two different, areas two different, sounds and then it quieted, down and after we brought in our, Thermals david decided to go back to, bed and about five THIRTY i Decided i'm going to go for a, walk and it was still pretty. Dark sunrise wasn't until five point fifty six that, morning AND i was going to walk down to basically that bathroom area and that other campground where That Randy lute had seen a ten bigfoot the year, before AND i was just going for a. Walk and you know That Gypsy meadows is in a. Valley it surrounded on three sides by, Mountains so even if sunrise was twenty five thirty minutes, away it was still pretty.

1:17:51 Dark you could maybe see a little, light there wasn't much at. All definitely could not see colors or anything like. THAT i went back and looked at the the moon and it was a waxing moon with only about ten percent and moonrise wasn't even until nine to fifty, five so there was no light of the moon at all that. Morning AND i got down to the bathroom area and in one of your pictures that Showed Gypsy meadows right off of the main. Road if you, there there's an entrance to both. Campgrounds if you go to the, right you go To Gypsy. Meadows if you go to the, left you go to the other campground Where will was. Staying Bill bassan and This Randy. Lute so you can see both little roads, there and the little roads are probably each about ten feet across their one lane. Roads they come together there off of the main. Road AND i got to that fork AND i just decided to look down Towards will's, camp which was then where that arrow is pointed down to the left, there AND i saw WHAT i thought Was will standing out in front of his. Camp and the REASON i thought it Was.

1:19:01 Will will has a light. Jacket if you at that time in the, MORNING i can't tell. Colors BUT i see this figure from about waste up standing behind a, bush AND i literally my mind just went To will standing there looking or, listening and SO i waved real, quick and in the three or four steps THAT i took across that one ten foot, Road will did not wave, back AND i didn't really think much of. IT i was later lasered that distance it was eighty, yards SO i thought either he didn't see. Me it was still pretty. Dark SO i came out to the main road which is on the right, there took it down about one hundred yards and it loops back into that campground and that loop comes out where you can see it right.

1:19:51 There and WHEN i got To will's, camp he wasn't there and nothing was standing behind that. Bush SO i then spent the next fifteen to twenty minutes trying to figure out was This? Will was this one of the other, Campers randy Or Bill. BASAN i literally went into each. CAMPGROUND i didn't want to scare anybody or. ANYTHING i would take ten steps, in, look, listen nobody was, Up and just across the road and down about another fifty yards there is one other campsite and a family had come in the night, before SO i even walked down there and peeked into their campsite to see if anybody was. Up nobody was. Up so about probably a half hour, later And i'm looking around this whole. TIME i think there's even game cameras showing me looking, around SO i clearly was looking for. Something and about half hour after, That will had gotten, up AND i asked, him were you up an hour ago or a half hour ago standing in front of your? Camp and he said, No but about a half hour before, that his motion light had gone on and he saw a shadow on his.

1:21:02 Tent now the shadow did not come up very high on his, tent so he thought it was probably a bear or, something and it didn't cause him any. Concern he didn't get out of his. Bed so eventually everybody gets, up and nobody had been standing, there and we started to recreate, it And david behind that, bush AND i went back out to that fork AND i looked down AND i suddenly realized this thing was much larger Than. DAVID i could not tell size at when it was, dark AND i couldn't tell, color and we were EIGHT i was eighty yards, away but it was clearly taller Than.

1:21:43 David for a couple of, REASONS i saw this thing from about mid abdomen Up david standing behind the. BUSH i could see him just from armpits. Up AND i remembered THAT i saw the top of this individual head at about the level of a, Branch and SO i started to Have david raise his, hand and he got his hand as far extended as he, could and he was just barely coming to that edge of that. Branch for whatever had been, there we estimated was probably between seven and a half and eight feet. Tall and if you remember back To Randy lut's description of a tan, bigfoot ALL i saw was a light. COLOR i couldn't tell color because it was, DARK i couldn't tell was.

1:22:31 Tan my mind just went event, to, oh that's got to Be will because it's standing in front of his campground And will has a light colored. Jacket so WHATEVER i saw was gone after about forty five seconds. That so after we did, That curtis realized he probably saw saw a sasquatch, there and then we were trying to discussed that With will And randy and all. Them we did pull the we did pull the therm or the game cameras From randy's in a Show's curtis looking around and walking in and things like. That it was pretty cool that he got to see something even though he didn't know he saw.

1:23:16 It and once again it was in a dead. Zone, yeah because WHEN i got to that, SPOT i didn't trigger the. Cameras it wasn't UNTIL i got closer To randy's camp by about thirty feet that you see me looking around you and you can see that spot once the camera is. Triggered but from that, spot those game cameras were far enough away that they wouldn't be. Triggered so once again it somehow they're either lucky or they're good or, both but they missed all the game cameras that were pointed in that. Direction so that, afternoon all five of, us we took a hike across the. Creek will found a twelve and a half inch, print pretty good print in some good, sand and he went and casted, it AND i think he posted that casting on His grassman fifty eight, channel but it definitely had toes. HEARD r scanned it with his.

1:24:17 Scanner so we found out later on that evening that the lady who had come into the, meadow she had two horses and two, dogs and one of them had been missing for two. Days and apparently she had gone on a trail ride with her dogs and went down to the creek bed to the left of the where we were camping In june and water her horses and the, dogs and she had old dog as she had, adopted and all of a sudden just started shaking and getting really scared and took off and it didn't Come it wouldn't come back into camp for two. Days we'd see it out on the main road once in a, while we'd see it walking, around but it took about two days for her to be able to catch that dog before she had, left and so something had scared that dog when they were down by the creek over, there and that was in the same direction that we had seen the peaker And will's video In. June with, that we did go for a night. Hike there's a historic copper mine. Camp it's found by a camp site. Sixteen that's a Long Sullivan lake road there and it was gated.

1:25:42 Off so we parked and walked up there and that was cool to go at. Night we didn't see anything at that. Point the next day, though we decided to go back up to the same marsh that we had found those sixteen and a half inch footprints the year before and the ones that had a forty eight inch strike step. Length SO i, go we got to go back up there and. Look so we go up there and going around the, marsh we find another really awesome, footprint but that was a fifteen and a half and the step length on that one was sixty. Inches it was six. Zero it was amazing to the next, one but that print was in half of. IT u was in The you could see the water in the heel and you could see the toes on the front of, it so it's too wet to cast or anything like, that but we'd take those pictures and video that just to put.

1:26:34 Sixty inches into. Perspective in a human if you had a sixty inch step right foot to left, foot that would make you twelve feet. Tall. WOW i do not know bigfoot. ANATOMY i know human, anatomy but that just is a crazy step. Distance and THEN i THINK i sent you a picture of the right over the top of it. Too, okay here we.

1:27:19 Go, yeah that's. Them, yeah that's. It so there's a. WAGONER i definitely see the toes on that and the oh, yeah and the heel with the with the water and the heel part with. That so that NIGHT i woke up around two. Thirty we had some two. Whistles we got up to look around the. Camp we didn't see, anything AND i went back to bed AND i was just laying in bed there and all of a, SUDDEN i get this odor by my right side of my tent and it's just a, sulfur bad smelling Odor and it was only there for about three to five seconds and then it, disappeared AND i was going something just walked through our camp because most of the, time like odor is not going to just going to stick, around but it just came and disappeared within about fifteen. Seconds so that was a that was an interesting. Smell SO i Told curtis about that the next, morning AND.

1:28:18 I had slept through THAT i didn't know that had. Occurred he didn't tell me until later in the. Morning but, Again i'm an early, riser AND i that, MORNING i woke up at five, thirty and most DAYS i either went for a, walk or i'd go bring the thermals, in or check the batteries on the, audio or just do something Until david got. Up SO i woke up at five, thirty LIKE i, said walked out into the meadow to Get david's thermal to bring it, in AND i brought it in and set it under our awning in our, campsite AND i was going to go get my, thermal which was up on the ridge behind our, camp BUT i DECIDED i was going to brush my, teeth AND i walked down this gravel driveway that goes into our.

1:28:58 Campsite halfway, DOWN i turned to the right to go towards the bare box where THE i had my. Toothpaste SO i opened the bare, box got out my toothpaste started brushing my, teeth and all of a, sudden behind, ME i heard this thud and then a. Clack so something had clearly thrown a rock that landed in a patch of dirt behind me and then landed on this gravel. Driveway AND i couldn't tell which rock it was because they were All there were ten thousand rocks in this gravel, driveway and they were all about the same. Size BUT i realized something had thrown a rock at, me AND i quickly turned and scanned the tree line across the.

1:29:41 Meadow and again here's WHERE i have to learn to think out of the. BOX i basically looked at this spot closest to our, camp which is probably twenty five yards, away thinking that in order to throw one of those little rocks and have it land in the dirt and then dribble on to the, driveway that's where it had to. BE i couldn't see. Anything So david's thermal was only twenty or thirty feet. AWAY i went and got it and scanned probably forty five degrees each. Way, UNFORTUNATELY i did not look clear to the, right BECAUSE i figured just in my brain that was too far away for something to throw a. Rock saw nothing on the, thermal BUT i parked the thermal WHERE i thought the rock had come from and sat down and listened for, things AND i ended up hearing a knock from that same gifting area and then a whistle down by the, creek which was so the gifting area was to our right or my right AS i was sitting down watching and the creek was to the. Left and probably about twenty minutes, Later david woke up and finally told me that a couple hours before that he smelled. Something and Then david had an idea and he walked into the tree line.

1:30:58 There SO i got up around six and told him about the, smell and he told me about he had a rock thrown at, him SO i was going, okay and he had the camera pointed directly across the camp into the tree, Line SO i walked into the tree line and he thermaled me going in, there BUT i was looking to see IF i could find, something AND i worked my WAY i found. IT i went into the game trail and started following that around into The there was a dry creek area in, there AND i was looking just looking for prints or looking for anything in that, area AND i kept walking out AND i come out towards where the at the end of the meadow is that there's two rocks that go into the trail that goes out into the wilderness, area AND i come out to the left side of, that and there's another game trail right, there AND i find two footprints in the pine. Needles it was a definite print and you could see toes on, it and the impression had to be heavy because it was pretty hard ground on, that like a left footed. Print and then there was another one at a ninety angle off to the right that was embedded in the. Ground and you could see my truck from that area if you're looking and peeking out to watch What curtis is doing out there with the game cameras and all. That but then When curtis walks back to the bare, box you can't see. Him and at that POINT i saw WHERE i think the

1:32:31 whatever through the rock moved forward to this open area where he could stand and have cover and just lean out and throw a. Rock and so it was interesting that right WHERE i thought that they were going to be thrown, from which was to the right of us When curtis was not in sight is when they would throw the. Rock that that's WHERE i found the sixteen and a half inch print and about five and a half inch, WIDE i think was the print when we measured, that so it had a perfect view of the. Camp you couldn't See curtis when he was. Rocked so when we started measuring that laser fifty, yes that we had to have had to be, thrown so when we recreated, it we. Couldn't neither of us got close to it in ten yards of the distance of that when we were throwing rocks with. It we talked To will since our trip and he got a report he posted in the last video of someone else who has stayed the same campsite that reported rocks being thrown at them, also but.

1:33:33 Where david found those, prints this kind of ties the story From june WHERE i found THAT. X those were right by the, trailhead right where we found THAT x coming off the trail In, june same basic area where he found two prints In august and something probably is where THAT i something threw a rock at me is the same place that as after we all went hiking that, day AN x showed up on the ground the next. Morning and that's also the area probably fifty yards more into the forest there Where david recorded all those bard owl sounds and duck like sounds that you played that had a lot of static in. Them so that area and then the area at the other end of the meadow Where candy was, touched seemed to be the busiest areas in gypsy. Meadows and they're both on opposite ends of the, meadow and they're both have good tree coverage where things can hide.

1:34:36 Easily and we'll posted the video of what our investigation and document of finding those prints and stuff on his, channel AND i think it's titled After hours on his. Channel but one thing THAT i had thought about with my interest in The Native american sign language was That curtis had actually communicated with that sasquatch and by waving at it and the sasquatch had seen him, waves he knew That curtis had seen, him and by, Waving curtis was. Communicating AND i don't know if the rock throw was another. Communication he wasn't trying to Hit curtis Because curtis was out of sight at that, time but maybe that was the same thing that happened WHEN i was in my hammock and had the rock thrown close to. Me because it didn't hit me, EITHER i went out into the woods again at that spot and did More Native american sign to the. Woods maybe no one was, watching BUT i was hoping that something was watching with. That so that night we decided To, Okay i'm going to put my, thermal not going down the, meadow But i'm actually going to put it into the woods in down that game trail where that. Was and so it was. Shining it was watching right down the game, trail and then about three in the, morning my motion light went off and THEN i heard this mad bard owl come from across the meadow and it was, angry and it was right where my thermal camera, was and it was just angry

1:36:11 and took off and started walking back towards the gifting. Area in about for fifteen, minutes it was just going off and you could hear it moving and going all the way out to the gifting, area then back around across the creek and back into the, woods AND i was going something was, angry AND i was, like, hey it didn't like me putting a thermal camera in the middle of a game trail in the woods. There but it went off in the same direction where we had heard those strange ducks and bart owls and all that in that same gifting. Area So, david when you're hearing the angry bart, owl you're also hearing something walking in the woods at the same.

1:36:51 TIME i didn't hear anything. Walking it's about fifty feet, away BUT i COULD i could follow the direction of where it's coming. From it started the angry and its started right where my thermal camera, was and it was in the tree, line and it just moved to the, north back to where that guy had thrown the, rock and then into the gifting. Area and then it seemed like it kept turning back the, direction crossing the creek and then going back towards the other end of the meadow on the other side of the. Creek but it was about fifteen minutes it just went, off and it was like you could tell. Anger it wasn't just a normal woo who just hooting away and just. Angry so that was really strange with. It that's how our trip ended at that.

1:37:39 Point is anyone actively researching this area more than once or twice a year that you know. Of No, Wow. Will spends a fair amount of time down. Below so this is probably eleven MILES i believe Up Sullivan Creek, road and where he has done most of his research in the area is probably two or three miles closer To Sullivan. Lake he has come here twice with. Us and just to put it in, perspective if you still have that picture up THAT i, see the road to the right is The Sullivan Creek. Road it ends about a mile and a half in the direction that picture is looking at The Salmo Priest wilderness. Trailhead so there's beyond, this there's not. Much and just So Gypsy meadows is just on that road going forward that you can see between the. Trees it's probably two or three hundred yards in, there and just across the creek which Borders Gypsy, meadows The Samo Priest wilderness. Starts so there's not much beyond here to our. Knowledge nobody else is researching this. Area, maybe But i've looked at a lot of. Videos there have been a number of, reports, However i've seen on

1:39:10 YouTube of people having rocks thrown at him in this. Area will had that one that called him shortly after you heard our, video and the guy said the same. Thing the week before we were there In, august he had rocks thrown at him in that same. Campground so there have been reports from the, area BUT i have not seen at least anybody on YouTube who has done research exactly In Gypsy. Meadows that's Wild. Man, Yeah will's one of those. GUYS i need to reach out to. HIM i probably could have a good conversation with him as well ABOUT i haven't really talked a lot about or had a lot of conversations. About it's a northeast corner Of Washington.

1:39:53 Rain, yes it's about as far north and as far east as you can go In. Washington we're probablyrobably five miles from The canadian, border maybe eight miles from The idaho, border so it's up. There after really year two going, there have your feelings toward the area changed it? All do you think is it you, know is even more that, yes there's a sasquatch there or what are your feelings towards the area after the second. Year, YEAH i think that they're definitely stuff. There LIKE i, said we've had things happen every single time we've, gone SO i, think Like curtis, said we're attached to. It as far as that, goes it's a heck of a long way to. Go it's two one, thousand over one thousand miles up. There but we definitely enjoyed every time we go up. THERE i think there's other areas that we can go. To i've had local contact of some hunters and meet with me that have got some areas up here By Sonora pass and they're interested in taking me up in that. Area my son he wants us to come out there and take him. Out he's a total skeptic. Though he doesn't believe in, this and so he wants to come here what we're talking. About so Luckily curtis's retired and is able to do all this

1:41:24 research and, stuff watch all THE i get videos every day From curtis and he has to listen to the To but so we're definitely we're. Stuck we're going down the rabbit hole WHERE i know we're gonna be going back To Gypsy meadows at some. Point we got an invite to the guy up In Giffer pinchot to come up in the, spring. The guy with the, map the guy with the. Map we haven't finalized that, yet but we're probably gonna do that and maybe in the summer go again up To washington and see if we can take our bait with to get the sasquatch out. Again.

1:42:06 Wow that is, super super, exciting and it is cool that you do have some potential things going on in your. Area that's that you could look into maybe some. Leads that's SOMETHING i was going to ask here at the, end as if you've ever considered looking into stuff around your kind of home base area and that that's cool to always have that as a as a backup plan for. Sure but, man, YEAH i get it once you get that one. Area for, me. It's just outside Of Okrage oregans and go back out there every year UNTIL i can't go out there. Anymore it's just it's just it really draws you to. It it's a weird. Thing And i'm sure even, So, candy do you what are your? Feelings do you get it?

1:42:54 Now you get, it like the draft or the draw to go back to a, place or what are your feelings towards all? This? YEAH i think being A newbiet LIKE i, am and then on my very first, OUTING i find PRINTS i hear, NOISES i whistle and get. RESPONSES i get touched in my. Tent my rock gets moved every. NIGHT i would say that was a pretty good first time out for someone who was on the fence and not REALLY i don't know about. This i'm not sure if this is really real or. Not but going out and having the experience is completely. Different you have to go. Out you have to, see you have to. Hear it's not the same watching it ON. Tv you have to.

1:43:43 Go, yeah go with don't just go out by. YOURSELF i know you guys, Know i'm talking to the. Listeners if there's someone out, there oh, Yeah i'm going to go by myself the first. Time probably Not probably you should go with someone who knows what they're, doing just you can learn the ropes that would. BE i would recommend that being a good. Idea david AND i didn't take your. Recommendation now that's. Calf you guys weren't like out by yourselves, though. Right we went. Together we went. Together we had researched it ahead of, time we had, protection we had first. Aid we're both, doctors so we felt comfortable and we're going back to that. Trip we thought it was a backpacking.

1:44:24 Trip we never ever we called it a big footing, trip but we never ever expected to find. Anything so we've been extremely. Lucky we thought we were just going backpacking In, california and then all those things, happened and like you, said we're now hooked and probably going to continue to do it till like you, said we can't do it. Anymore. Absolutely, yeah and, Listeners we've talked about a few other YouTube. Channels i'll have those linked in the comments in this whole. Time for them to go up again was really cool because it was documented a few different. Ways you can actually SEE i think it's actually documented On jonathan And Sarah brown's channel about The gifford Ben cho stuff, too.

1:45:07 RIGHT i think that's AN es. Video she has a short out just with the audio, sounds and then she has a whole probably about three weeks, ago put out a maybe a thirty minute video on what they found At Gifford Pinchot and that was literally two or three days before we were in the same. CAMPSITE, ok, gotcha? Gotcha? Man, guys what a crazy. Update just some fantastic news to share from you. Guys thank you for coming on the show and for sharing what you've experienced the second year out to these places and who knows what the what the future will. Bring, man if guys or if, people do you have a way for people to contact you if they want to reach out and be, like, Hey i've been To Gypsy meadows too AND i had the same thing. HAPPEN i can't remember if last time we had any contact way or, yeah that's.

1:46:03 FINE i think you have my email OF i don't know if you can put that on the info on the video or we don't even. Care probably have them email us and then we can give them our number or something like. THAT i think you Have david's at contact info. Too we're happy to have people call. Us we want to hear about that. Stuff we just were contacted probably two or three weeks ago by another guy who was In Gifford pinchot and he saw some of the stuff that we had talked about and he's comparing his vocalizations to ones we. Found, so LIKE i, said we got into this as newbies three years, ago and without you And jonathan And will And Matt, napp we'd still be on our. Own but we now have these connections that we would have never. Had and it's great because we hear stuff from these, people they hear stuff from, us and sometimes it's not what you want to. Hear, no that's an al or that's, nothing that's not a, footprint don't worry about. It but it's still good to get someone who has more knowledge and more foundation in this than we. Have so we appreciate you having us on.

1:47:10 Again, absolutely thank you all for coming. On Curtis, Miller David Candy. Fuller it's a pleasure meeting you for the first, Time candy as, well and that definitely keep me in the loop with any other things that happened to you guys in the. Future but thanks for coming On. Todays before we wrap this, EPISODE i want to say something directly to a very specific group of. Listeners if you're in the, military any branch or, forces and if you've seen something that no one can, explain or if you're A national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay, quiet if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the, ground or if you're with THE fbi a federal, agency or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk. About and if you're, firefighter, paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make. Sense if you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a. Soul and if you're a, biologist a wildlife, specialist or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to. Report if you're a, pastor a, missionary or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your, faith or if you work in the, SHADOWS, CIA nsa or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public, hasn't THEN i want to talk to, you

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