Sasquatch of the Rockies! | Colorado

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfred activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Fred today. Fred from Colorado. We got connected through Facebook and Fred's had some really interesting things happen over the years. How's it going today, Fred?

0:52 Oh? Very good, awesome? You know what we were talking about. How you know this is your time to share you know what you've experienced. So Fred, I'm going to go ahead and give this right over to you. You know, feel free to take us back as far as we need to go. When you started experiencing some things related to Bigfoot. Out there, all right. Well, it was back in ninety seven, I think it was March. I was working for a food company and the first stop I had was Morrison in up in Morrison. So when I got up there that that morning, it snowed and just a real wet snow and heavy fog through the canyon, and I made the delivery. We have keys, so we open up the restaurant and deliver it. And so I'm heading out of town and the fog is so thick. The only street light in town and it looked like a laser going through the fog. It was so thick. So I started out of town up up in the canyon. Then Bear Creek runs through there, and as I was heading up the canyon, the fog was rolling down the canyon. But I saw something crawling out of the Bear Creek up

2:22 on the road, and so I slowed down and then I just stopped. I didn't set the air brakes, I just stopped and this thing come out of Bear Creek, and I thought it looked like a large dog, hairy dog. And then when it got on the road, it started running towards my oh, my truck, my Kenworth. And as it was running towards the Kenworth, it it looked like a chepon pony because hair was flying all over on the whole the whole object, and just probably about fifty yards or forty yards in front of me, it got up on two legs and started pumping its arms, and it had long orangutang here like. And so as it kept coming at me, I set the air brakes, you know, which does a hiss of the air, you know, setting the air brakes, and I kicked my high beams on it, and it never even phased it. It just kept coming right at me, right at the truck. And then it went on the passenger side and the shoulder hit my mirror and folded it in. So that was pretty amazing.

3:48 Then I thought to myself, I thought you guys were in the Oregon, you know. I'm kind of chuckled and thought, well, maybe they had a concert at the Red Rocks. But you know, you try to put in your mind that you know that what you saw wasn't what you saw, you know. And so off I go to make my deliveries. And then the next one was in four in a Yellowstone. We had all the had we had our four kids up there, and right after dinner I wanted to take David.

4:30 He was seven. I was told my wife, I want to take him fishing. So and for this to this day I catch it from my daughters. They wanted to go, but you know, I wanted just me and him have time to do that. So we we were camped at the river's beIN campground and the Snake River runs around there. So there's a field once across the road, there's like a all about a forty foot field and then it goes in some trees and then then the Snake River is below you. So as we were walking through the got up to the trees, we heard this like little I kept something crying, you know, kind of where where And so I told David, you know, something's in distress.

5:25 So I told him just keep low. And we come up to the river and we got, you know, on our bellies and looked off the edge and there was a go deer down on the sandbar in the Snake River and up on the hill and it was steep hill was the fun and it was the one kind of crying. So finally it decided it's coming down, and it slid down the hill on the other side of the where the river was and got in the river swam and the river took it down, but it swam up to the sandbar and got up next to mom, and you know, it's shaking the water off, and all of a sudden, the mom just looks up the river with its ears perked up. So we're real quiet. She doesn't know we're there. And so I'm looking up the river where it bends out of sight, but there's a really heavily wooded area where the river if it when it overflows it, it would flood that area. But I couldn't see anything, and all of a sudden, she turned and ran up that hill that they came down, and the fawn was right behind it. It didn't even cry at all. Boy, they got out of there. So we went down and started fishing. And as soon as I my son caught a fish, you know, he's excited and

6:59 says he he's got a fish, you know, so tell him, well, you know, go ahead and reel it in. And he's reeling it in, and all of a sudden, we were down at the sandbar and right where we were was, oh, I would say, forty feet up in the air the bank was, and all of a sudden, these rocks start coming down. So I just thought it was somebody hiking, and I yell up there's like, hey, you're kicking rocks down on us, you know. And it stopped, and so I thought that's odd. So we're continuing fishing, and then David my Son catches another one, and then here come all these rocks. I mean there, I was expecting something to be sliding down the hill because the rocks were going into the river now, just to like a landslide.

7:57 So he reeled in the fish and and I told him, well, we're we're going to go now, you know. And and he was kind of spooked too, so I told him we'll keep the fish on the stringer because my idea was there's a bear up there. Why it didn't come down because all them rocks, I thought something was coming down, And so it stopped. And we started out of there, and the sun's going down, and you know, you have those large shadows in the timbers, and and so my head's on a swivel making sure that I got a hold of, you know, his his back shirt just to make sure he stays in front of me, and we got through the trees and nothing happened. And that was just really strange. And the next one was two thousand and how wow. That all right. I do a lot of Indian sketching. I like Indian heritage stuff, and so I wanted to get some actual pictures of the fancy dancers and authentic Indian dress so I could draw my own pictures instead of photos that I would find, you know, on YouTube or something like that. And come out to my truck and there was a leaflet on there the Bigfoot.

9:23 It was called Bigfoot Yetti Yawi Store. So you know, I always was fascinated about that. So off we go home, but I keep that card and I call the guy and he says, yeah, come on down. You know, he's just off of Colorade of Boulevard, and so it was down south. So I got off work, drove down there, and first time I met him was working on computer well computer work, and his story he had their hats all kinds of stuff about you know, bigfoot. So I got to talking to him and I asked him if you ever saw one? He goes, oh, yeah, I got pictures of him. So that intrigued me. It's like, okay, could I see him? And yeah, So went to the hallway in the back and he had him hanging up and sure enough, it looks like something big looking at you, you know, through the trees. So he explained he got that one on the backside of Pike's Peak. So oh, I would go down there quite a bit, try to pick his brain on. Okay, they're here in Colorado, what do you look for? So he was explaining that, well, what they look for is tree structures, broken trees, x's trees leaned in x'es. And he says, then you'll find

10:57 makeshift teepees and then maybe you'll find a full tepiece. And I thought, oh wow, that's where do you go? And he said, well, you find the darkest woods, oldest growth in Colorado, in canyons or something like that, and he says that's where they'll be. So I thought, okay, well, there's a Golden Gate next to me. So I started going up to Golden Gate and I found this one trail. It was the mule Deer trail, and I figured, well, I'm going to walk down it, and I put my phone on record and just held it up, pointing up the mountain, you know, in the timber, as I walked down the trail. So when I got back to my truck, I watched the video, and in some points you could see something walking from tree to tree about fifty yards up, up in on you know, in the timber. It was following me, but staying well far away that you couldn't hear the steps or anything like that. So I thought it was, you know, some dude up there walking around, and didn't think much of it. And then then right when I then I went up there again and got

12:29 off trail and walked into the woods, and I started finding all these xes, just like the guy explained that you would find. And when I saw the exes, I took my phone. I took pictures of them too, of how far they're shoved in the ground. You know, they weren't dead trees leaning on one another. They were placed there. So once I was taking pictures of them, how they're constructed and whatnot, just for my own like biography that I'm wanting to put together of what I'm doing. Way back in the trees, I saw this round object and so I zoomed in on the photo and it was a round head peeking around a tree at me when I was taking the photos. So I thought, oh, shoot, that's something. There might be something up here. And so out at work I was talking to my co workers at work about it, and they're thinking, I'm you know, ah, you're crazy, and I said, well, no, you just come with me and I'll show you. So this particular day, we were slow at work, and so I had a co worker that went with me up there. He said, yeah,

14:01 I'm not doing nothing. Hey, I'll hang out with you. Let's go on up there. So we went up the trail, parked the truck and started up the trail. Now, as you first go in, you can go left or right. Now right. I've studied that area and there's small tree breaks and the xes that are made up there are small, almost like real young juveniles are learning how to, you know, do the bigfoot stuff of xes, broken trees, leaning branches up like teps, but they're small, and so I was thinking this must be the child's side. So then and then we when I took up my co worker, I thought we'd go down that trail because there's a lot of action down down, going left on the mule deer trail.

15:13 So we started down the trail and I looked back at him and I said, we're going to go down here to a river bed that goes up the mountain. Big for Society will be right back after these messages. And I said that once we get up there, about two hundred yards, I said, then you'll see X's and they have teepees up there that I found, and he goes, oh okay, started walking down No sooner than I said that, just like on the warhead the Sierra Sounds where they do the oh oh, they did it twice real loud.

16:15 I mean, it just stopped me in my tracks. So I turned the coworker that was with me and I said, did you hear that? He goes yeah, and I told him they're here, and then he says, what's here? And so I told them I'm going to price some hillbillies making this up putting tracks up putting you know, these trees, bent trees up. I said, why don't we just bul rushing And he looked at me, like what, And I said, there are probably people doing this. Let's just run up there and we're going to solve this bigfoot stuff. So I take off, and he takes off, but I go left then, kind of not right at the sound. I go left, thinking that he'll watch me and he'll stay behind me, right, you would think, But he goes straight and so I get up there and then I see him coming through the bushes and he's just sicker than a dog, just throwing up, throwing up, And I thought, how did you get so sick in that little bit of time? And he goes, I don't know, man, but I am. I've heard that when you get close to him,

17:47 they can put out a verberation that can make you sick and almost like your car sick. So right then we heard him talk. And have you ever had people say that they sound like, oh samurai talk? Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, until you hear that up in the woods, and then you're like, that does exist? You know? Nice? And they were and when they would talk, something would shush him like sh and then keep talking like what do you know, kind of like real jabber. And so I said to my coworker do you hear that? And he's Spanish and he goes, yeah, man, somebody's up here with us, and I said, I don't hear one English word. Can you hear any Spanish word? And he goes no, no, no, no no, and he's freaking out looking around. And as they say they run like spiders. The shrubs that were up the hill, that were real thick, started to shudder and shudder to our right, and so I knew that they were they were gathering up, you know, trying to regroup,

19:17 because when we went up there, they all honkered down and right where we stopped they were around us. So they were trying to regroup and that's why they kept talking. So so I told my coworker, hey, if we he pushing around this corner because it opens up, we might be able to get a picture of him. And so he turned, he shook his head, you know, like no, I'm done. I'm done with this fun adventure. And so as they were walking, you could hear their voices just getting softer, that Simmurai talk getting softer because they're walking away.

20:04 And so I pull out my baseball that and I hit a tree twice, you know, bang bang, and one of them yelled back a ruja, and I thought, wow, I can remember that, you know. And what I found is that word really does spark something in them. That I don't know what it means, but you will get their attention using that word a ruja. So and that was October the thirteenth, and so I went up there with my grandson and that was twenty seventeen. And this this time is really interesting. It ties we went up there in early well time and there was an incident incident up there in October of the same year where a lady was attacked by she said, a bear, and that was in the fall. And so jeff Co went up there and they sent an ambulance to pick up the lady and they took her to Saint Anthony Hospital to have her checked out. And so they jeff Co Sheriff went up there with dogs and guns and they're

21:38 they're hunting down a bear. But they said they couldn't find a bear because dogs will not track this. I mean, I don't care what kind of hardened dog do you have. Once they get a whiff of where to track, they won't go. I mean they'll lay on the ground. Because I had my dog up there and she did the same thing, and she never barked. She would see him in the woods and literally point at him. And if you walk by or she would lay down. She would not go down the trail anymore, and nor would she let you so. But anyway, it was on the news.

22:21 You couldn't google it, Golden Gates State Park, Colorado bear attacks and it'll come up Channel seven news that the spring before this happened, I took my grandson up there and he wanted to find caves. So we're walking around up there and we find a few caves, well kind of rock outcrops that you know, I told them, well, could be a cave, you know, you pick some gunnage around it and you could stay pretty dry. So, you know, we're walking on up in there, and so I did a tree knocked as we got further in, and no sooner than I did, bam, bam, we're here a pop back again. And so my grandson said, Grandpa, you got to you gotta knock back. That's cool. I said, yeah, maybe it's somebody doing what we're doing. So we had on up there, and I've been doing a lot of bigfoot research of day watchers, and there was a tree that was snapped. I mean, oh, I'd say twelve feet twelve foot high and it was ran into these other trees and dunnage all around it. So I walked the

23:52 end where all the dunnage was and it was matted down. I mean I all I had to do was just bend over and I could walk in there, and through the dunnage you could see the trail right below where when people's walking in, and it was at a high point where people are looking down going up the hill and looking down going down the hill. They aren't looking around or they would see this area. So I came out of there and I did a tree knock, you know twice, you know, bam bam, and then pop pop right back. So my grandson grinned, and he said that one's closer. So we're standing there and I'm thinking, oh wow, I wonder what's going on. You know, whatever did that, we're going to see it here in a minute. And then my grandson says, I hear something walking this way, So we back up, get down on a knee, and then now I can hear it, you know, and it's it's just like crunch crunch, and trees snap and snap, crunch, crunch.

25:07 So I told them watch the top of these trees right over here. If they move, then it's probably an animal or you know, it's got to stay hidden. But if it's people, they're going to come up this open draw. So they go. So we're listening and then the trees start moving and he starts really eyes getting big, and then you heard this crunch, crunch, And now it's right in front of us, but we're about thirty feet above it, and so I yell out a ruhle to see what the reaction I would get. And I mean, here we are in Colorado and it's so forty minute us from my house, and you hear a chimpanzee first of all, going and then it went into something like on Ron moorehead when they start just gabbering jabber real loud, and then it screamed and you could fill it in your chest.

26:28 And I looked at my grandson and he said, Grandpa, that's a big monkey. That's a gorilla. That's big, you know. And he was freaking out. And he's you know, and at fifteen, fifteen year old kids, they don't get freaked out, you know, going with grandpa, yeah, you know, but yeah he was getting freaked out. So I got up, walked to the edge, and I should have took a picture but I didn't. It's one of those inspontane anyous things that happen where you just wanna calm it down, And so I yelled, hey, settle down, you could have your spot back. We're leaving. So I motioned him to start walk behind me and then start down the hill to our right. You know, we're not going to go I knew the mountain fair really well, so I knew that if we head to the right, it'll gently go down into the trees, and it's open. There's no heavy brush area, so I can see if anything's gonna, you know, come darting after us. And we get down to the meadow, Fraser Meadow, and I took a picture of my grandson standing under this crock of this tree, and then off to the right in the aspen, it followed us down.

28:01 I don't know how it did it, but it was about eight foot tall and it was just standing there looking at me. And what was scary about it was I was forty feet from my grandson and it was in between both of us, and its distance was about maybe twenty feet, and as big as that thing was, it could have been on either one of us. In two to three steps and so that was, oh, that was twenty seventeen. And I would go up and old place apples up on their exes by myself. Just I'd always wear the same clothes, you know, like safety vests and a cap, so you look the same, so they could identify you as that the same person that comes up all the time. And so I stopped doing that.

29:14 And then that's when I was talking to a guy on Facebook about you know, tendency is of bigfoot and what they do, and and I told him I was feeding them and I stopped and he said, don't go up there alone anymore. If you stopped, he says, because they get pretty angry when you stop feeding them. So I kind of took heed to that. And I never went up there alone, but I did take my son up there, and we had his dogs and so we got half well, we got a ways from the truck and he goes, oh, I forgot to get water for the dogs, and so he went back down to the truck and I waited there in the woods. And have people locked of whistles when they're up in the woods. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, these whistles for this area is just and that's it.

30:25 And when he left, then I heard, you know, a whistle, and then another whistle, and then all through the woods it was whistling. So they were whistling to each other that I was there. And so when my son came back with the water, he said, Dad, it is so quiet up here. You don't even hear nothing. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

31:16 I said, because they don't know you. They know me, but you are what's keeping me safe. And nothing came out of that, but those pictures that I sent you That particular day I was. I looked on the map and there was Fraser Valley. So I thought, you know, from three o'clock it was summertime. It doesn't get dark till about oh, seven point thirty eight o'clock. So I got off work at three and I got up there and started walking down that trail, and I figure, i'll just walk in. It's two miles in, two miles out to Fraser Valley, just to see if I see anything going this far, because I've never walked in this way.

32:11 So I was walking in it got real quiet, real quiet, and I thought, wow, that's weird. You know, you can't hear a bird squirrel, any noise at all, and just then that's when I heard that whistle, and so I kept walking. I thought, that's weird, thank god, a bird, you know, and nothing at all for about seventy feet and then all of a sudden, same type of whistle. So I thought, now that's something watching me, you know.

32:52 So I walked back to the first whistle and I sat on the rock and waiting for another whistle. Nothing. So I took a photo of that area, you know, to check it when I got home, and kept continued down the road down the trail, and when I got to the second whistle point, it didn't whistle. So I figured, well, maybe, you know, it's what I thought it was, you know. And then I got all the way down the trail till it turns and goes into the canyon, and then all of a sudden, you here is elongated, and that other words like yeah right, I'm watching you, and you know, I started getting goosebumps, and so I yelled out, you don't exist, just to make myself feel good. And so I kept walking in and I got to the meadow and it's there, oh artesian well or something. It just the water bubbles out of the ground in this valley, and there's a lot of footprints around it, deer mountain, lying tracks or you know whatever. So I always looked see if there's a big footprint, and there was a one, and then I started walking back and all of a sudden,

34:24 I seen this one. That picture I sent of one that's a big big toes, four little toes, and the big toe was the size of my fist and it was I wear a size nine and a half and it was wider than my foot with all the toes. So then I turned around and I figured the way it was camered. It went to the right, so it went back into to the woods. Because I felt the track and it was so soft, there was a crusty it was so really soft that it was on a molehill that is always in them valleys, you know, where the moles come up. And so that's when I turned around and I took two pictures and got out of there, and that was the two that were looking at me through the timber. So and that's how I got those photos.

35:30 I worked at Douglas Colony and we did waterproofing and construction of roofs, and so we were doing the Moffat tunnel, and it's a dirt road all the way up to where it goes through the Continental Divide, you know, the train. And as I'm going up there, I always drive slow and look into the woods, and right by the railroad train where the train goes through, there's axes with the trees all along the railroad tracks, you know. So I'm thinking that wherever there's human activity and noise and beyond that is just abundance of open forest, they'll put xes up, other words, telling the noise that this we're here, you can't come in here. This is this is where we're at.

36:37 And so the train runs up through there and every time it crosses the road, it's got to blow the horn right on a train. So I was thinking that they're putting the axes up because of that. So the theory that what I did was I was up there in my semi and so oh I was coming down and I thought, I'm gonna take my lunch, my thirty minutes right here by the exus where the train tracks are. In every five minutes, I'm gonna I'm gonna blow my air horn twice, you know, and then continue eating my lunch, you know, and every ten minutes, I'm going to blow my air horn twice. And so right at the end of the half hour blowing my air horn. And I've got a oh uh forty foot aluminum bed on the truck.

37:41 So I put it in gear and I start start out down the road and all of a sudden, I here is bam bam, bam bam, and a rock hit my flatbed. Came from the trees on top. So you know, there was My theory is that noise makes them not like it. So they put x's up. And when you had that one hit your side mirror, did did you go out to look at it see if there was anything left on that mirror? And we're going way back to the beginning of the interview. Oh yeah, No, it didn't crack the mirror, It folded it in.

38:23 Is there any hairy left? No? I never did look. I should have. I should have. You know. It was just one of those things that after it hit the mirror, I couldn't see down the side of my truck. So I'm thinking I'm kind of leary and getting out. It could be right there, you know, you know what, I go around the truck and did you have a camera on your truck at all? Like, no, no, okay. No, it was before cameras, and but yeah, that was pretty fascinating. It kind of looked like Grizzly Adams. Wow, you know what, the big beard and hair down in its eyes. Oh yeah, it was but big, big, big, I mean the hood hit its chest off of a kinworth.

39:14 You're looking at it, You're looking at it face to face pretty much. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's when I'm sitting in the cab. We were looking eyed eye as it ran by, you know. And but I've I got a video of one following me and it was, oh, I would say, fifteen feet away from me, looking squatted down, looking through the trees right at me. And I got a video of it. And it's pretty obvious when you see the video. You see this big brown head in evergreens. And I had my son's dog and he was so scared. He was just shaking, you know, tins and kind of whimpering kind of let's go. And how I knew when that start filming was as we come down the hill, it's all ponder rosa pine, big pine, and I heard a branch, you know, break, and I looked behind me and this other branch was swaying back and forth or if something brushed by it real quick. So I figured, okay, it's right here, and I started my video and it was crouched down behind a thicket with its hands pulling the

40:44 branches down to look at. And I think the ones up there where I'm at are real. They aren't it. They're they're not violent, they're curious. Because a lady that was knocked down, well, she said attacked by a bear, but when she got to Saint Anthony, they didn't find any bite marks on her, just scratches and bruises where it just kind of pushed her around as she curled up in a ball, and it sniffed her and pushed her around, you know, and kind of pushed her head around a little bit, and then it just went back into the woods. So they were they were saying that they thought she was making it all up, you know, And but why would you make something up like that, you know, thinking the bear was coming down at you.

41:50 And when him row came out or not Jim, but Fred Rowe, Yeah, he called me because I called him in Alaska and told him what I told you about chasing him, and he started chuckling at me, saying, dude, you either dumb or you're crazy, and I said, I said to him, yeah, maybe a little both, you know. And then I was listening to some of his podcasts and I I agree with him. You know, if I'm dealing with violent ones like that, yeah, yeah, that sounds stupid and crazy. He wouldn't do that. But you know, he was saying down at the lower forty eight, they're you know, they're around people more, they see people more, so they know how to deal with people. And I got two stories. Well I want to finish with Jim with Fred Rowe. Then he called me up and he says, hey, this was in September. He called me up last year in September. He goes, hey, I'm up here in Evergreen, Colorado.

43:03 He says we got to get together, and I said, oh, heck, yeah, you know, get together, have a few beers and and tell now, listen to your stories, you know. And so we got together and he's he brought his girlfriend and I said, hey, you want to just go up where I go bigfooting and he goes, sure, yeah, let's do that. So they follow me halfway up and they get out of their jeet and I get my foret and we all get in the fore erunner and drive the rest of the way up there. And so we start down the trail on the child's side because it's real active in that area, and she's real real kind of in tune, you know, like energy, and she just all of a sudden, oh, I feel energy right here, and just starts up to out, and so Fred goes right behind her. So I'm right behind him, and man, they do not stop take a break.

44:10 And I'm sixty seven, so I'm trying to keep up with him, and I sweated so much. My baseball cap was the bill was dripping with sweat trying to keep up with him. Fred kept looking back at me and goes, you're gonna be all right? Yeah, I just look like I'm dying, but I'm not. So we get up there, and I just had a rule that I go as far as I think I can run back, you know, to keep just to keep my wits to me. And right then Fred thinks he hears a whoop, and you could hear it, and then he's he's looking sideways up there, and so he's below me, him and his girlfriend. So I start walking down towards them, and right out of the woods comes this rock and he hits me right in the forehead, you know, right above my bill where I can't see it coming in and the sun's in my eyes, and it felt like a tree branch slapped my.

45:21 Head big for society, who will be right back after these messages? And when I looked up, there's no tree branch, so it had to be a rock. And yeah, that was the first time I had a rock thrown at me up there, So. That's pretty substantial getting hit with a rock like that.

46:01 Yeah, it was about the size of a marble. Not big, but just enough to get your attention where you rub your head and say a few cuss words, you know, and oh, what was the other one? Oh? And up there in Bailey, there's east of Bailey there, right in the town of Bailey. When you come down crow Hill and it does a right turn, there's a left turn that you go back in there and that's Wellington Lake And they have a dude ranch up there where people go and oh vacation, rent a cabin and just kind of ride horses and fish. Just a real nice place.

46:52 Well back in the fifties, they had a big foot up there that would come in at night and look through the windows of the cabins, you know, even the two story cabins. It could walk up and look right in the window. And people were kind of getting freaked out about something like that. But here in Colorado, there's so many tree structures. And this other story that I was talking to this one guy. Oh, there's a couple of them in construction. First one was I was talking to a crane operator and we were doing a job, and he said that they were going to go up to Ward, Colorado. There was some towers they wanted to take down, and they were going to use the crane to take them apart and ease them down and put them on a flatbed and pull them out of there instead of breaking them up. And so they went up for their old what do you call orientation of this is what we're going to do, and this is what we're tearing down, you know, kind of get it planned out what's going to happen. And so there towards the end, the superintendent that was running the project, he said, and

48:22 if any of you guys have a gun, bring it up here, he said, because they got a scalehouse up there that runs twenty four to seven. And when you're picking up oh lumber, they have what what do you call that? Those little pelps for woodstoves, They have them bagged up there. They got a plant that makes them up there, and you run across that and scale out and sign your scale ticket so you can see what you're at to be legal to you know, head back to your destination. Well, he said that right at four o'clock in the morning, the lights when anything hits that scale, the lights come on and a camera records, and he said, right at four o'clock, the lights came on and these two bipedal walking things walked up on the scale across it and it scaled out at well. He said, they must have been about six hundred pounds apiece really walking across the scale. And he said they were all covered in air, and so the guy was freaked out, and he said, you know, he wants everybody to be carrying because something that big. He don't know what they're capable

49:53 of doing. But Ward is on the back side of steamboat, and so there's quite a bit of activity, you know, even in steamboat. Oh north of there towards Wyoming, that there's a group of them living up there, that some of the Bigfoot people here in Colorado go up there and come into a lot of contact with them. They're reaching underneath the tent to grab food. They'll leave food out there for them, and peanut butter with the lid on it, and they'll unscrew the lid, then eat the peanut butter, and then put the lid back on. You know, weird things like that.

50:48 You've mentioned a few times having different videos Excuse me, are those available to see on the internet at all? Or those you have them on like old you know, vh SC or whatever. No, No, I've got them on. I got them on my phone. Okay, I just don't know how to you know what, if I send them sometimes I'll say videos too long, you'll have to cut it down. And and how do you put a red circle around the video part so you can concentrate on that area and see it. Yeah, that's that's kind of tricky. I always try to look at those without the red circles, just to you know, make sure see if I see anything right off the bat.

51:37 But I mean you probably could do it in certain programs like I. I mean there's like maybe you could do it in Canva. You could do it and iMovie if you have a Mac or you know, equivalent. But yeah, okay, so that's cool. So you have them on your phone, but they're just too big to get off. Yeah, yeah, it's long videos. And I mean it got so crazy up there when I was feeding them that I wouldn't even I stopped taking pictures of them because it got to a point where, you know, I'd walk down the trail and I just yell out, I see you right, yeah, the peeking around a tree at me, Yeah, there you are, you know. And their color is red like like orangutan. When I first when it first come to me that they're here, and it's almost like you want to tell the world, you know, of what you've seen, like it's it's just amazing. So then again it hits you that you don't really want to tell a lot of people because then they're want to shoot them because what we don't understand. We got to go kill it and drag it home, you know. And then it almost feels, oh,

53:09 they have a family up there, and there's one particular color they love, and that's bright pink really and yeah, and that's you almost think that's a female color. You know, I've never heard that. That's very interesting. Oh yeah, they love their apples and bright pink and and ruha is definitely get some going. I don't know what that means. I mean, that's the thing about not knowing the language is you could be doing the equivalent of anything. Get pretty scary if you think about it. You gotta be careful what you're doing out there.

53:54 Yeah, And like I said, that Golden Gate has RV part there that there's full hook. You can bring your fifth wheel up in there. They have tent camping. The Boy Scouts go camping up there. I've gone up camping up there with the Boy Scouts backpacking in areas and I've never seen this before, but on this particular mountain in the valleys where that stream is because they need water, man, it's like it's like almost woodstock. You go up there, you see trees broken down, and you know, elk carcasses leached in the back in the woods, and there's a herd of elk that live up there. But then I've even seen trees that were woven in between other trees, like a stockade fence where it's almost a kill zone where they would run them in that area.

55:05 Okay, that's very interesting. Oh man, if you ever can, I don't know, figure out a way to get the videos off your phone, maybe email them if possible. I mean, I would love to see what you have. I understand can get pretty tough to get stuff off of devices like that, but I mean to you. Yeah, okay, yeah, I can send you a part of the video that I froze and I've photographed and it's actually looking I mean you can see the orph the pupil in its eye, but there's branches, but this is absolutely round and you can see the eye as it's looking right at you. Oh wow. And I've done a lot of sketches of them that I figured. God, let me know that they're here and what pictures I did get, I can sketch them or add to them of you know, get half the head and then just figure that half is like the other half. Put them together and you you'll have what one of them looks like.

56:21 Is there a way to see your sketches anywhere? Uh? Yeah, I can send them to you. Oh okay, that cool on your phone? Yeah, that'd be That would be awesome. I mean, just to see what your interpretation is, that would be really cool. That's it's been a real fun time talking to you, Fred. I mean, you're really you're really into it out there, and you're you're getting involved with some really intense stuff. I'd say, you know, we should we should definitely keep in touch. I'm sure you're going to be doing more stuff in the future. And oh yeah, I I whenever we go to the woods, that's the first thing I look for, and oh, there's a golden gate. They got a dude fishing hole. And before I, even before I even had a concept of Bigfoot, I'd go down there fishing and you'd always get the creetness somebody's watching, you know. And so you go to the other side of the lake where the woods aren't in your back, you know, on your back mostly a cliff is and as you're fishing, you keep feeling that leave go, you know, don't stay here, you know, and you're you're looking around, like, am I being just you know, crazy er? But you you get this gut feeling that

57:57 that something bad's going to happen if you stay here, and and they have a tent camping area down there, and there's no way I would camp down there. I mean, what's what's the name of that crown again. It's called dude Fishing Hole. Dude fishing Hole. Okay, interesting, Okay. Yeah. As you walk down there, there are tree brakes left and right of you, and then there's willows that follow the the little creek down through there, and the willows are all raided together. What does that? Yeah? Right, I mean yeah, but but it's invigorating, especially when you hear them.

58:45 It really gets you. I've had it happen once out in Well, Oregon in Iowa, and both times it man, it's wild. Yeah, you have that that how or is it the I is at the Ohio? It's Ohio. I've heard given type whoops out out where I go in Iowa, but I mean out in Oregon. We heard the roars and screams and dude, it was it was crazy. You did not mess around. Yeah. This other guy that he's up there in Ess Park and there's some sad stories about a little boy that was taken and he's twenty something years ago and they found his pants and his shoes and his shirt they were laying on a boulder field and his shirt and pants and shoes were not even ripped, you know, weathered.

59:52 The shoes looked new, but they were the clothes that that little boy wore. Fold it up as well. Yeah they said it was just yeah, folded up and the pants were inside out. Big for society will be right back after these messages. So you know about that story. I mean I've heard I've heard different variants of it.

1:00:34 I know a little bit about missing four on one stuff, and that seems to be a current, kind of a current that runs through You'll find folded clothes and it's just very strange. Oh yeah, it's well. And that's why I if anything anybody gets out of listening to you know, these shows, and that is watch your kids. You know, I'm close to you because I can't replace them. That that's probably the most important thing said. I mean, you can't replace your kids. Watch your kids. Fred. It's that's yeah, that's important for people to to hear. I think, man, it has been such a such a conversation. I feel like we could we could have more, and I think, you know, we'll we'll definitely keep in touch, Fred. But is there a way people can reach out to you at all if they have, you know, if you said something they're like, oh man, I it's that's crazy because it or do you kind of just stay in the shadows Fred in the shadows, which is okay too.

1:01:43 Well, Oh, I wouldn't mind that they could and I never thought of that. Yep. I'm kind of relent and giving my phone number out because I don't want you know, maybe text messages. Yeah, I probably don't want that. I wouldn't recommend it. Yeah, but I know what you're talking about. Well, you can think about it and if you if you do, you know, think it through and you're like, oh yeah, they could get a hold of me this way, just let me know and we'll throw it in. So if not, hey, don't worry about. It all right. Yeah, if somebody calls you and they got want any more information, I know you're busy, but you know you do that.

1:02:29 Yeah, that has that has bit me before in the past. But we'll see what we figure out. So but I've red it has been a fun time chatting with him in and just thank you for thank you for Green to come on the show and talking about Colorado. We don't get a lot of Colorado calls. So appreciate you coming on, man, really, yeah, really, there's so much much in Colorado. You heard of Veil, Colorado, right sure, Yeah, Okay, Well they found nesting where they built ness on walk just above walking paths up in Veil. Even on the ski runs, they're in the trees watching the people.

1:03:13 Macre. I went to Blackhawk and that photo I took of one looking through the woods. There was a bartender there and they've got us a full size a sasquatch, you know, in the casino. And I showed him my picture and he looked at it and looked at the sasquatch that was on the floor, and he just he just couldn't believe it. He said, that looks just like the one that's on the floor. Wow. And this one's got woods around it. And I said, yeah, that one's up there, you know. It's up there. Yeah. Well, man, we will, we'll keep in touch. Fred. I hate to have to jet, but I do have to jet. But man, it has been it's been a fun one, sir.

1:04:02 Right on. Yeah, I've got some more stories of what I've heard that some big foots were shot here in Colorado, and and the army took them away. But yeah, yeah, well well we'll set that up. That's that's a teaser. My goodness. So Fred, we'll be in touch there. Fred from Colorado, Thank you sir. Okay, thank you, have a good one YouTube. Bye. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you Hollman listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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