May 28, 2026

SASQUATCH SCREAMS DRIVE EX-MILITARY TEAM FROM SMOKY MOUNTAINS

Apple Podcasts podcast player badge
Spotify podcast player badge
Castro podcast player badge
RSS Feed podcast player badge
Apple Podcasts podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player icon
Season 1

A weekend deep in the Smoky Mountains turns into one of the most unsettling investigations ever discussed on Bigfoot Society.


Doc Brown from the Prometheus Lens Podcast shares firsthand experiences from a remote East Tennessee research area tied to Harley Owens, Robbie Ferrell, and legendary investigator Scott Carpenter.


Investigators document massive humanoid tracks, three-toed prints, strange screams in the darkness, glowing orbs moving through the trees, and infrared sightings of towering figures surrounding camp. Multiple experienced outdoorsmen report overwhelming fear while deep in the woods near an abandoned graveyard and hidden hog pen in the mountains.


The conversation dives into Bigfoot encounters, Dogman reports, ancient giant traditions, Nephilim theories, paranormal activity in Appalachia, and why certain locations seem to carry generations of unexplained phenomena.


This episode includes:



  • Sasquatch encounters in East Tennessee
  • Ex-military investigators fleeing the woods
  • Strange vocalizations recorded near camp
  • Reports of orbs and shadow-like entities
  • Stories connected to Scott Carpenter’s research areas
  • Biblical giant and Nephilim theories tied to Bigfoot lore
  • Appalachian paranormal activity and cryptid encounters
If you enjoy serious witness interviews, deep Bigfoot lore, Appalachian mysteries, and unexplained encounters in remote wilderness areas, this is an episode you’ll want to hear from beginning to end.

Resources:

https://www.youtube.com/@Prometheus_Lens

https://www.prometheuslenspodcast.com/podcast

https://www.amazon.com/Epic-Esau-Birthright-Seed-War/dp/B0DV8VKKP4/


🗣️ Share Your Story

Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?
Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show!

🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube

🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube
💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!
📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)
👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share
🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist
🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters

💥 Support the Show & Get Perks

✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member
✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here

📱 Let’s Connect
🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)
These help support the show at no extra cost to you:
🎙️ Podcasting Tools:
🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon

☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here
🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy

📬 Mailing Address:

Bigfoot Society
125 E 1st St. #233
Earlham, IA 50072
WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.200
We all just basically sit at the same time that

2
00:00:02.279 --> 00:00:07.080
we felt a heaviness or like a fear gripping them.

3
00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.160
And they he said, Man, they said, I'm not even

4
00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.839
gonna lie, he said, Drew, he said, we're all freaked out.

5
00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:16.120
He said, We're getting out of here.

6
00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:19.600
You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

7
00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:22.359
this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

8
00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.199
you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

9
00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.320
something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

10
00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:33.200
quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

11
00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.200
and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

12
00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:40.479
These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

13
00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.920
So settle in because today you'll hear another account that

14
00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.640
just might change the way you see the woods forever.

15
00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.119
So stay with us, all.

16
00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.039
Right, Bigfoot Society, Welcome back to another episode. We've got

17
00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.679
the privilege of having Doc Brown on the show from

18
00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.399
the Prometheus Lens podcast. Is that right, Doc?

19
00:00:59.079 --> 00:00:59.200
Oh?

20
00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.119
Yes, sir, awesome. Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?

21
00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.079
I'm doing great, man. Thank you for having me, and

22
00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:09.200
shout out to Harley. Harley, set me up, set me

23
00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:10.959
and you up. So I'm excited to sit down and

24
00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:12.959
talk with you. Man. I've been listening to your stuff

25
00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.920
for a little while now here and there, and I've

26
00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:15.920
been a fan of your work.

27
00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:20.040
Oh thank you. Yeah, Harley is a great friend. And

28
00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:22.400
whenever he is like, man, you got to talk to

29
00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:28.280
this guy, I definitely take notice of that for sure.

30
00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:32.480
Doc is also the author of the book at the

31
00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.239
Epic of Esaw, The Birthright and Seed War, and we'll

32
00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:40.079
be talking about that during the episode as well. But so, Doc,

33
00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:41.719
where are you based out of?

34
00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.560
Man? Yeah, I'm from the heels of East Tennessee. I'm

35
00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:49.040
actually just about forty five minutes from Ashville, so I'm

36
00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.719
butting up right on the North Carolina border there, all right.

37
00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:58.840
Yeah, yeah, as we talked, as we talked before, I

38
00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.879
just got back from testing and that was actually I

39
00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.480
won't say super specifics, but I think I was probably

40
00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:10.039
around around your region. I went out to the Smokies.

41
00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.680
We'll see it there and maybe we'll get more into

42
00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:15.960
specifics later. But I was able to hang out with

43
00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:20.599
Robbie Farrell, who's also probably I'm sure you know Robbie as.

44
00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:24.159
Well, right, have you ever met I'm terrible, I'm terrible

45
00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.439
with names, but I'm really good with faces. I might

46
00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.759
have met him through Harley. I'm sure he's a good guy.

47
00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:32.719
If you haven't, you should, really you should meet him.

48
00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:33.439
He knows his stuff.

49
00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.080
Harley reached out to me about you because you have

50
00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:43.719
been involved with Harley's area as well, and Robbie Harley

51
00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.439
was unavailable a few weeks ago, but Robbie took me

52
00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:53.719
to this area and it's a weird area. Man. We

53
00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.719
got I wouldn't say bluff charge back there, but I

54
00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.199
would say it was really close and something can rushing

55
00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:05.759
through the laurel relatively quickly, and we were kind of like, okay,

56
00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:09.319
time to go. And we saw some we saw some

57
00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.840
tracks back there, some big tracks. So so you have

58
00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.199
also gone back in this area, is that right?

59
00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.960
Oh? Yeah, it was a little over a year ago,

60
00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.639
I believe maybe a year and a half ago. A

61
00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:24.240
big group of us, including Harley and a bunch of

62
00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.560
mutual squatch hunting buddies, we all went out to this

63
00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.039
research area of Harley's and we camped out for the

64
00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.360
entire weekend. So even Harley had said, you know, I've

65
00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:36.560
spent the night there. You know, before we saib, I've

66
00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.840
never stayed for an entire weekend, so this is gonna

67
00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.680
be interesting. So, uh, it was definitely that, to say

68
00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:44.479
the least. He took me out there I think one

69
00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.960
other time, and we've done some filming and him talking

70
00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:48.479
about it.

71
00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:49.280
We lost audio.

72
00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:53.120
He's still there.

73
00:03:53.800 --> 00:04:11.400
Yeah, okay, all right, can you hear me at all?

74
00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:12.560
Yeah?

75
00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:15.000
Okay, perfect, Sorry about that.

76
00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:15.639
I have.

77
00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:22.920
You're a Christian two right, m h. I have so

78
00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:25.279
much spiritual warfare on this show. You have no idea

79
00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:30.360
it is. It is absolutely intense stock it's really really

80
00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.160
rough sometimes like the stuff that happens. I think we

81
00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.079
are we're recording again. I've got a backup. Okay, so

82
00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.199
my apologies. I think we are good to go now.

83
00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.439
So you were saying that you've been to this area

84
00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:49.759
and you were staying there for a weekend. Harley has

85
00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.839
never done that, so you're in you're in uncharted waters

86
00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.040
of what might happen when. So what happened when you

87
00:04:58.120 --> 00:04:59.399
guys spent that much time?

88
00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.680
Yeah, it was funny because, like I said, I'd only

89
00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:04.800
been there one other time. He took me out there

90
00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:06.920
during the day and we just kind of walked around

91
00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:08.480
done some film and he told me about some of

92
00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.600
his encounters and showed me some of the pictures. And

93
00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.839
then a few months later him with a bunch of

94
00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:16.480
other friends reached out. I was like, hey man, we're

95
00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:17.959
going to go back to that spot and we're going

96
00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.279
to camp for the weekend. Do you want to come

97
00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.800
and do some filming. And I said, well, yeah sure,

98
00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.160
And then we got there, Like you had mentioned, didn't

99
00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:28.160
realize it till he had said it to us. He's like, yeah,

100
00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.680
I've never spent an entire weekend here, guys, so this

101
00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:36.560
is going to be interesting, probably, And so it was

102
00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:41.759
definitely that we had set up a perimeter right outside

103
00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.800
of because once you get there, it's way back in

104
00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.920
the Smoky mountains. You take this little gravel road back

105
00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:49.639
through there, and he goes back into the woods quite

106
00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:51.839
a bit and then it opens up in this little

107
00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.800
clearing where this cemetery is, and there's like this little

108
00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.720
turnaround spot right there. So Harley's like, oh, we can

109
00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.240
just set up right here in this turnaround spot. Uh,

110
00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.120
won't be no big deal. So we set up our

111
00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:10.000
camp there and uh yeah. The first night I stayed there,

112
00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:13.240
with them all day. I had a podcast recording that night,

113
00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.319
so that first night I went back home to do

114
00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.920
the interview and then came back and it stayed the

115
00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.959
rest of the weekend. But Jessica Jones, she had come up.

116
00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:24.560
She was one of the people that come up and

117
00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.079
she stayed just that one night, so I only got

118
00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:30.319
to see her briefly. But that night they said that

119
00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.399
they heard a bunch of ruckus, you know, around the camp,

120
00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.759
and some rocks being thrown and just just you know,

121
00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.079
typical you know, squats checking you out, kind of thing

122
00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.480
you that you hear about all the time. Uh, And

123
00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.839
they went out walking and uh, they actually had some

124
00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.360
pictures of some pretty big tracks. And I'm new to

125
00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.720
this whole Sasquatch thing. I've always been like a fan,

126
00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.639
but I've never been like one of those die hard

127
00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.199
people that you know, listen to all the podcasts and

128
00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:01.839
read all the books. I was just kind of one

129
00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:06.120
of those thirty thousand foot view guys. But I had

130
00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.959
stumbled into bigfoot researching for this book, the Epic of Esau,

131
00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:13.680
and so I kind of what is what got me

132
00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.639
interested in it? But I used to hear people all

133
00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:18.639
the time saying, oh, those big prints, you know, that's

134
00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.279
that's a bear, you know, and things like that. I'm like,

135
00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:25.199
have you ever seen a bear print? I mean, there's

136
00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:29.720
no mistaking you know, a huge humanoid footprint to a bear,

137
00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:32.120
you know what I mean. So I think that's funny

138
00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:34.079
when people want to bring stuff up like that. But

139
00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.120
he had all kinds of pictures of this, these huge tracks,

140
00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:41.439
you know, had the heel, you could see the toe prints,

141
00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.000
you know, smushed into the mud and everything else. Man.

142
00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:48.000
And we've even seen and I've seen myself with Harley

143
00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.360
out there, not just hearsaying pictures. I seen myself even

144
00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:56.319
some large three toad prints and so I was like,

145
00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.279
what in the hell is that? So this place is

146
00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:00.000
very strong?

147
00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.439
Oh yeah, so you saw the three toed tracks in

148
00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:05.319
that same area.

149
00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.720
Yeah, oh man, okay, it looked like a turkey print.

150
00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:11.680
But at the back, at the back, of course, instead

151
00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.959
of just being a stick, it's a full heel, and

152
00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.439
it was probably you know, at the heel maybe that wide,

153
00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:19.800
and then at the toes coming out they fled out

154
00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:23.160
probably about that big shit.

155
00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:27.519
I'm not surprised by any of that because Robbie took

156
00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.720
me to that same area, and we parked back there

157
00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.840
and then went into the woods to the left, and

158
00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.480
it's like you get into that area and you are

159
00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:43.879
literally going into what feels like a bowl where there's

160
00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.279
laurel on each side. And then it's like you go

161
00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.480
back to there's a spring in the back, and it

162
00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.039
sounds like that's usually where where some interesting stuff happens.

163
00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.360
That's where stuff happened for us. But man, I was

164
00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.600
seeing tree structures back there you tell lakes to the

165
00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:04.919
the boar cage. Yeah, the lights that I've never seen

166
00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:06.960
stuff in that the Pacific Northwest. I was like, what

167
00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:11.440
is going on here? Like it's nuts, It's absolutely nuts

168
00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:11.919
back there.

169
00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:16.320
Oh yeah. And see that was the thing is I

170
00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.440
heard something about some of the ruckus and seen some

171
00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.679
of the pictures that they had found of the prince,

172
00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.240
and the next day they were like, oh yeah, tonight's

173
00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:27.960
tonight we're gonna really go out and we're gonna get

174
00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.120
deep into the woods and we're going to camp out

175
00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.559
and even set up some bait next to that that

176
00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.279
big hog pen that you were talking about. And we got,

177
00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:38.799
you know, way back in there, and like you said,

178
00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.200
there's next to it's next to this creek back there,

179
00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:44.799
and so there was probably ten or twelve of us,

180
00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:47.440
and we separated in groups of two or three and

181
00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.679
spread out and probably about a sixty to eighty yard

182
00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.919
radius of the cage and where we had that bait

183
00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.360
set up, and we had you know, night vision goggles

184
00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.679
and infrared and you know, all that kind of cool stuff.

185
00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:04.840
But we went lights out, and we turned the lights off,

186
00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.799
and we were sitting there and they had a glow

187
00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.960
stick mounted on the cage just in case something walked

188
00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.240
by it. We could see the light go in and out,

189
00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.320
and sure enough, and we had radios, so we started

190
00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.279
seeing that light get blocked off by something, and we

191
00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:25.039
kept seeing it, and so we started hollering each other

192
00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:26.960
on the radios, like are you guys seeing this? Like

193
00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:29.320
something's walking in front of the light, And like I said,

194
00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.200
we was, like I almost in a complete semicircle, you know,

195
00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:35.240
sixty eighty yards out around this thing. So it was

196
00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.159
so large walking in front of this little stick that

197
00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:42.480
everybody in that radius was seeing that light get blocked off.

198
00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:45.279
And so we was kind of getting you know, stirred

199
00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:51.200
up there, and Harley had the infrared goggles and all

200
00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:53.840
of a sudden, he breaks the silence and he's all excited.

201
00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.120
He's like, I see one, I see one. And then

202
00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.080
before he even got that, he said, don't wait, no,

203
00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.000
there's two too, and he's describing it and he starts

204
00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.000
handing off the goggles and he handed off to one

205
00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.919
of my friends, Riley, and it was his first, you know,

206
00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.039
sasquatch trip too. He got the goggles up there and

207
00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:14.080
he started saying, yeap man, I see him, I see him.

208
00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:17.039
They were getting excited and the voices were getting up,

209
00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:18.480
you know, on the rest of us, like keep it down,

210
00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.559
keep it down. And by the time the goggles met

211
00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:24.639
to the third person, we just heard just a bunch

212
00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.759
of ruckous man leaves and twigs breaking, snapping like crazy,

213
00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.399
and it was gone. So all of us getting heightened

214
00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.639
up and yelling spooked the thing off. But yeah, that

215
00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.559
was the very first encounter. We turned on all the

216
00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:41.200
lights and kind of went down there and got to

217
00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:42.919
look and try and see if we could find any

218
00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:45.960
you know, any of the bait missing or any kind

219
00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.360
of you know, footprints or anything around that spot, and

220
00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.000
didn't see anything. Of course, everybody's all excited, you know,

221
00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.360
your nerves and blood pressure jumps up because of this,

222
00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.679
and we spread back out again and done it again.

223
00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.919
Lights out and one of the groups that was I

224
00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.440
guess closest to the creek, and Riley was in that group.

225
00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:07.600
And there was a bunch of guys in here that

226
00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.600
they're ex military, you know, and X you know, swat

227
00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.039
and stuff like that. So these guys are you know,

228
00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.279
trained and know how to handle themselves, you know what

229
00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:21.200
I mean. They've been in sticky situations. But they kept

230
00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.200
turning their lights on down there next to the creek,

231
00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:26.279
and they kept turning it on, turning it off, turning on,

232
00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.799
turning off. And then finally Drew comes across one of

233
00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:31.879
the columns and he's like, guys, what is going on

234
00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.840
down there? It's supposed to be lights out. He's looking

235
00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.279
for something, if you lost something, somebody's drops something. What's up.

236
00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.879
And they're like, oh, we're sorry, you know. And they

237
00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.279
just turned off the lights a couple of minutes past

238
00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.519
us and again lights come on and he's like, guys,

239
00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.960
what ken't be doing that? Leave the lights off? What's

240
00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.480
going on? And then this one guy comes across the

241
00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.559
radio and he's like, hey man, we're all freaking out.

242
00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.399
He said, we're hearing stuff all around around us. He said,

243
00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.559
he said, we all, he said, not even prompting each other,

244
00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.799
we all just basically said at the same time that

245
00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:12.679
we felt a heaviness or like a fear gripping them.

246
00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:15.559
And they said, he said, man, they said, I'm not

247
00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.799
even gonna lie, he said, Drew, he said, we're all

248
00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:23.480
freaked out. He said, We're getting out of here. And

249
00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:24.879
like I said, there was five or six of them

250
00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.279
in that group, and like I said, a lot of

251
00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:29.559
them ex military and been on many you know, cryptid

252
00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:32.919
hunts and squat hunts and stuff like that. And so

253
00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.279
they did. They actually got up and got out there,

254
00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.440
and the rest of us stayed. But then again, shortly

255
00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:43.440
after they left, we've seen that light getting blocked off

256
00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:47.200
and on again. And of course you never have your

257
00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.399
camera ready. So I was like, in one of those moments,

258
00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.080
I had my camera down and was just kind of

259
00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.759
talking with some people, and all of a sudden, Drew's like,

260
00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.879
let's go, and everybody turns on their lights, rushing that

261
00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.559
cage and I'm running up trying to open the camera.

262
00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:06.399
I'm like, and of course nothing was there again, But yeah,

263
00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:11.879
that was my first not there was those two incidents

264
00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.320
right there, so fireworks were going off from night one.

265
00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.200
With me, I am not surprised at all. I mean

266
00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:28.480
it's I had a I was staying in an area

267
00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:33.799
relatively nearby Airbnb, way out in the sticks, like so

268
00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:38.559
far out in the sticks, and Harley was like, so

269
00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.399
where are you staying? And I was like, this area

270
00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:44.039
and He's like, dude, remember the moth Man, Remember the

271
00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:47.480
dog man we talked about. You're right in the middle

272
00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.080
of it. I was like, oh my goodness, what is

273
00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.120
up with this? Like East Tennessee is like, they'll tell

274
00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.879
you that it's crazy, but then when you get out

275
00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:00.399
there and you start experiencing orbs around you and voices

276
00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:04.000
in the woods, and you guys have a whole different

277
00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:08.159
ballgame out there. For sure, there's going to be a

278
00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.960
documentary put out about this weekend.

279
00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.399
Right, Yeah, yeah, I got all kinds of footage, and

280
00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.600
I've been putting stuff together and slowly working on it.

281
00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.720
I've never done a documentary, so kind of like, you know,

282
00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.360
fumbling around the dark, trying to figure it out. And

283
00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:26.679
you know how it is with anything, the first time

284
00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:28.559
you do it, you second guess yourself. Oh, it's going

285
00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:30.240
to be perfect. It's got to be this way or

286
00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:35.600
that way. I probably just need to throw my perfectionism

287
00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.639
out the winter, just start slapping this stuff together and

288
00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:39.879
tell a story and just be done with it, you know.

289
00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:46.080
But no, you're right, man, those woods they're ancient, man,

290
00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:52.159
and all the folklore and witchcraft and all that kind

291
00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:55.279
of weird stuff, all that stuff's happening up in those mountains.

292
00:15:55.600 --> 00:16:00.759
And well that night, actually that late that night, we

293
00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:05.519
seen the orbs and all that stuff too. And Riley,

294
00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.840
he was up from Michigan and he's a younger guy,

295
00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:11.840
but he was all excited. Like I mentioned earlier, it

296
00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.919
was his first trip down. He was in that group

297
00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.399
that said we're getting out of here. And before we

298
00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.000
even started, like when we were breaking camp, Riley was

299
00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.840
like sprinkling, you know, anointing oil around the camp and

300
00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:28.000
praying and stuff. And when that happened, dude, something in

301
00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.519
Riley broke and you can see it in my footage.

302
00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.120
When we got back, I set up my camera and

303
00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:36.759
we all gathered around the fire and we just had

304
00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:39.399
basically a debrief and talking about, you know, what we

305
00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.720
seen down there, how everybody was feeling and what they

306
00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:47.120
saw kind of thing. And we come to rileygh and

307
00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.559
Riley's talking and as he's talking, he actually starts bursting

308
00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.000
up into two tears, choking up. And I got it

309
00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.399
all on footage. He was sitting there talking. He's a

310
00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.879
big guy. You know, Riley's a big dude, but he's

311
00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:04.160
a big teddy bear. But he was talking and he's like, yeah, man,

312
00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.160
he said, I come down here excited, want to see something.

313
00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:10.160
He said, I'm a god. I grew up in the woods,

314
00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.599
you know, woods or woods, And that's exactly what he

315
00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.000
says in the footage. He says, I was like woods

316
00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.920
or woods. He said, y'all's woods are not woods. And

317
00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:21.799
when he said it is, he choked up, and we're

318
00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.359
starting to tear up. And he says, I've never felt

319
00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:28.000
anything like that in the woods where I'm from. He said,

320
00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.640
something's out there, man, he said. He said it's heavy.

321
00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:33.920
He said it's spiritual. He said, I'm not saying there's

322
00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.480
not a physicality to this thing. He said, but there's

323
00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.200
something spiritual to it too. He said, I felt it.

324
00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.799
He said, I'm a grown man. He said, I've never

325
00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.640
been scared out of the woods like that, and that

326
00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.279
night he had his tent and hammicking all this stuff

327
00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.759
set up. He spent you know, all day setting up.

328
00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.240
He locked hisself in the back of his car. He

329
00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:56.119
put him to sleep outside. I mean it forever changed

330
00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:57.079
him that weekend.

331
00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:05.039
Wow, that that is intense, and I can definitely see

332
00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:09.960
how he would experience that was anyone hearing voices out there.

333
00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.200
Wouldn't hear in voices, but what was weird? And like

334
00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.400
I said, I did that little debrief, and then I

335
00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.200
was thinking, I'm like, okay, well, if I'm gonna do

336
00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.799
like a big Foot documentary, it'd be cool to get,

337
00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.960
you know, testimonies of people that's has had sightings in

338
00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.920
the past and kind of tell you know, what they'd

339
00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:29.079
seen and stuff. So I was going through one at

340
00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.079
a time after our little group debrief, interviewing the guys,

341
00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.079
and I was recording with Kevin, a friend of ours.

342
00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.599
He's got a show called From Where the Weird Ones Are,

343
00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:43.160
and he was telling about a dog man encounter he

344
00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:48.920
had up in Maine. And as he was telling the story,

345
00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.200
you can hear all of a sudden, just this thud,

346
00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:56.400
just and everybody stops and kind of turns around, and

347
00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:01.799
then he starts to continue to talk background. You can

348
00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.720
barely hear it in the recording, but there it was

349
00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.880
loud enough to catch everybody's attention at base camp. It

350
00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:13.839
was like this loud scream gurgle. I mean, I don't

351
00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:15.839
know how to describe it. I mean, I'm not some

352
00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.920
you know, expert hunter, but I mean I've grew up

353
00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:19.519
in these woods my whole life, done a lot of

354
00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:21.720
deer hunting and turkey hunting and stuff like that. My

355
00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:25.519
old man, I've never heard anything like that in my life,

356
00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.640
and I mean it just chills up your spine. And

357
00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:31.720
air back camp just stopped and turned, and you can

358
00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.920
see in the video Kevin just like starts looking up

359
00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:36.880
and over the top and looks back at me. It's like,

360
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.359
did you hear that? I said, yeah, I heard it,

361
00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.559
and you get I got all this on recording, and

362
00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.440
then you hear it again, and it does it like

363
00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:50.519
almost like rhythmically, it lets out this gurgling scream, and

364
00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:56.000
then one Mississippi, two, Mississippi again. It done like five

365
00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.640
six times in a row, and then you see all

366
00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:04.319
the boys. He's running around from behind the camera, you know,

367
00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.720
locking the load and something getting ready and we had,

368
00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.839
you know, like I said, infrared cameras and cameras sit

369
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:13.519
down the road looking all around, had perimeter trip lines.

370
00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.039
I mean, they were legit. And that group of guys,

371
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:18.799
there was about four of them, went off into the

372
00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:23.680
woods towards the sound, and they were gone for twenty

373
00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.599
minutes or more, and when Drew was one of them,

374
00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.480
and he came back, and then they started telling us

375
00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.400
about they were trying to follow the sound, but the

376
00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.440
sound stopped. But then all four of them seeing a

377
00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.440
set of three or four orbs floating around in the woods.

378
00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.519
So then they started following that orb, and they said

379
00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:47.720
they followed it way back into the woods, he said,

380
00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:50.599
And they walked for ten minutes or more. And then

381
00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:52.839
one of the other guys is like, hey, we just

382
00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.440
kind of been blindly following this orb here and we're

383
00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.240
not getting any closer. But we're in uncharted territory here.

384
00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.000
We could turn around and get lost. It's not maybe we

385
00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:07.079
should start heading back. So they even had orbs floating

386
00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.960
around in the woods outside of our base camp at

387
00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:13.559
the time of all that screaming and stuff was going on.

388
00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.799
Man, that kind of stuff freaks me out when you

389
00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:23.559
hear like something trying to get me to follow it

390
00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.920
to a certain area, or I mean the orbs is

391
00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:32.039
a good example of that. It's so weird. And listeners

392
00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:37.720
might remember when I talked to Robbie Ferrell late twenty

393
00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:43.200
twenty five and I talked to Robbie about how he

394
00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:47.559
got chased out of an area with Harley Owens and

395
00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.160
they look back and they see the bigfoot chasing after him.

396
00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:52.559
This is the same area. So if people are trying

397
00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:57.240
to figure out different stories and all, this is the

398
00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:06.839
same area. So just you know, this area is absolutely crazy.

399
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.440
And it's one of Scott Carpenter's old hunting grounds.

400
00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.880
Yeah, can you talk a little bit about that, because

401
00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.799
I Yeah, if you know any info about that, I

402
00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.079
would I would really love to know that.

403
00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:21.519
Yeah. From my understanding, Harley was getting into this and

404
00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:25.279
he kind of fell in love with Scott Carpenter's work

405
00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.160
and had found his son and reached out to his

406
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.920
son and made friends with his son, and he was

407
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.680
kind of asking, you know, Travis, you know, where are

408
00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:37.319
some good spots that I can go to. I want

409
00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.920
to start researching this stuff, And he gave him a

410
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.279
few places to go and check out, and this particular

411
00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.519
place that we're talking about now. He said that when

412
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.839
Travis told him about it, he told him like with

413
00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:54.559
a warning. He's like, hey, just letting you know. Dad

414
00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:58.599
only visited this place a couple of times, and he

415
00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.079
said that it was the mounts so bad that he

416
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:03.680
said he wasn't going to go back there. But whatever

417
00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:08.039
whatever was there, he didn't want no part of. So

418
00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:13.240
there was some high activity there enough enough so to

419
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.599
make Scott Carpenter not want to go back there. So

420
00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.200
that this is the spot that we're talking about. And

421
00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:23.319
he even said that he thinks that there was some

422
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:27.400
dog men back in that area, something other than just bigfoot.

423
00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.319
And like I said, it's an ancient mountain and it's

424
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:36.240
right there next to a graveyard, and there's also a

425
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.880
nice sized creek that runs through the property, high volume

426
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.799
of quartz stone all around that place. So if you

427
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.519
know anything about you know, bigfoot encounters, this is a

428
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:54.519
prime breeding ground for an encounter. And even Harley told us, Uh,

429
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.799
there's a town which I don't want to give too

430
00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.559
much geography away, but there's a town close by that's

431
00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:04.640
been you know, documented with newspapers. There was some kind

432
00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:09.400
of wild beast attack on a family and killed a

433
00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:12.960
bunch of people, And Harley said that there's not a

434
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.519
doubt in his mind that that is a dogment attack.

435
00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:19.079
Kind of covered up, you know, by the powers that

436
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.839
be not to freak people out, but they wrote it

437
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.279
down as like some kind of wild beast attack or something,

438
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:29.440
but basically it whatever attacked pretty much killed an entire family.

439
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:35.640
My goodness, did you guys go into that graveyard at

440
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.839
all or have anything happen around the graveyard?

441
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:44.640
Well, the graveyard we stayed out of. I flew the

442
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.759
drone over top of it and kind of did some

443
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.400
pans and looked around and stuff. But like we had

444
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.920
set our base camp just right outside of that fence

445
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.680
in that graveyard area. But like I said, that's where

446
00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.640
we heard all the screams, that's where the orbs, that's

447
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:05.160
where the rocks and stuff was being thrown. So we

448
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.759
had lots of stuff happened way down in those laurels

449
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.119
next to that hog pin, like I was talking about

450
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:15.200
it earlier, But it was just as high volume up

451
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:16.599
there next to that graveyard.

452
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.960
Yeah, that makes sense. We were there, man, it was

453
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.000
early afternoon, so it is I can't imagine what that

454
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.319
place would be like in the dark. We actually went

455
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:33.839
into the graveyard check it out, pay our respects, and

456
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:36.839
we were in there. We were in the far corner.

457
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.559
Robbie looks over and he's like, did you see that?

458
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.759
He says he saw something out of the the the

459
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.200
a peripheral of his vision, and I really need to

460
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.279
have him on the show so we can we can

461
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:58.599
talk about that afternoon. But man, it was. It was

462
00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.680
the middle of the day and weird stuff was going

463
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:05.599
on in that graveyard and that that area which is

464
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:10.160
not easy to get to, I'll see that. I was like, man, this.

465
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.240
Rental gonna get stuck.

466
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.799
Oh, but thankfully held my breath and we were able

467
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:23.720
to get in and out. Now, when you guys were

468
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.880
out there, did you see anyone else from the group?

469
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.440
We saw a few people, And I'm curious, being out

470
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.279
there for such an extended period of time, did that

471
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.960
did that? Did that attract any eyes on you?

472
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:42.599
Well, there's a few people, and that's one thing that

473
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.559
Riley was telling us. He said that he'd been going

474
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.440
there so long that yeah, that you do get some

475
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.079
people occasionally hiking or walking their dog or something like that,

476
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:54.440
he said, But the ones that do that are locals,

477
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.160
and they come here a lot, he said. It's almost

478
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.880
like part of their routine or schedule. He said, but

479
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.440
I've been here and stayed here throughout the years and stuff.

480
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.279
He said, I know everybody really well, he said, I

481
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.440
know about all of them on the first name basis,

482
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.799
and we did. We had a few people come through

483
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:13.640
and hiked or were walking their dogs and things like that.

484
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.880
But there was one guy and I cannot remember his name,

485
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.359
but he was a local, and Harley was on a

486
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.160
first name basis with him. But he come with his

487
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.319
dog and he actually stopped at the camp and talked

488
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:25.799
to us for a while and told us some of

489
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:30.319
his stories encounters that he had seen and heard things,

490
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.640
and his dog going after something and chasing it in

491
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.200
the woods and all this kind of stuff. So he

492
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:37.599
actually shared some some stories with us while we were there.

493
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:40.519
That is really cool.

494
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:44.720
I've actually, I think i've that gentleman's come up in

495
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.480
and conversation before the dog walker guy. He's had some

496
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:58.640
weird stuff. What do you do? You have any thoughts

497
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:05.039
about what it is that we're dealing out there? I mean,

498
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:09.440
myself personally, it's got to be something physical, But dude,

499
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:11.640
I think there's something there's got to be something weird

500
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.480
going on out there as well. It's just it's strange.

501
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.960
It's all get out, man, it is. And that's something

502
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.920
that's baffled me. And I've noticed, Like I said, I'm

503
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:23.839
kind of new to the bigfoot community. I'm more into

504
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:27.960
the you know, ancient history, Christian conspiracy kind of realm.

505
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:33.279
But yeah, that always kind of took me to the

506
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.079
side because I'm like, you know, they're finding footprints and

507
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.640
Carpenter found that that hair that they had the DNA

508
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.640
testing done on it was humanoid, you know, but not

509
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:47.440
quite human. But then all the the wu that you

510
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.640
have surrounding it, you know, the orbs, the mind speak,

511
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:58.359
what's that other stuff they call uh portals, Yeah, portals,

512
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.559
And it didn't what do they call that? It's a

513
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:05.000
sound that induces fear, but you can't hear sound.

514
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.000
I don't, dude, I don't think that's who it all

515
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:09.480
that's in the Animal Kingdom multiple times.

516
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:13.160
Man, it's crazy. Yeah, so, but yeah, but you have

517
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.480
all that associated with it, and me, honestly, like ninety

518
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:22.480
percent of the pictures that Riley has taken look like

519
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.559
a shadow entity. But you can make it out. I mean,

520
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:28.440
there's no you know shadow. I know a lot of

521
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.519
people take all these different pictures and draw all these

522
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.799
red circles and oh you see this, you see that,

523
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.799
and you got to be really looking hard to see it,

524
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:38.759
you know what I mean. Or even maybe kind of

525
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.799
like you know, you're wanting to see it kind of thing,

526
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.160
or it's a shadow. But man, these are straight up

527
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:49.119
like dark apparitions of you know, bigfoot looking dudes peering

528
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.359
around corners of trees, and uh, he's got some dog

529
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.680
man looking pictures and he's got some wild looking stuff

530
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.559
man that he's caught on like his rear camera. But

531
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.039
they all look like spiritual to me. And then from

532
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:08.680
my experiences firsthand, that's kind of what I experienced. But

533
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.359
when I was studying for actually I wasn't even study

534
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.440
and I was or I was, but not studying for

535
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:15.680
a book. But one day I was just studying through

536
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.720
Genesis and got to Esau. You know it says the

537
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.359
first one came out red, covered in hair from head

538
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.680
to toe, like a hairy cloak. And I was like, man,

539
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.960
if we just let it say what it says, man,

540
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.319
that sounds like a Sasquatch, anybody that took that descriptor

541
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:35.839
and said, hey, guys out in the woods and I

542
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.400
seen this, you know, man covered in hair from head

543
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.680
to toe. You've seen a big foot man. You see

544
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.200
a Sasquatch. And I just kind of started parsoning some

545
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.599
of that stuff out and ended up turning into a

546
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:55.920
two year obsession over this book and this guy named Esau,

547
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.400
and I went through a lot of the old legends,

548
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.799
especially like in Europe and around the world, they call

549
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.000
it the wild man, you know, the wood woes.

550
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:09.799
Uh.

551
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:14.079
In China they call it the urine. I mean this,

552
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.839
this entity or creature is all over the world, throughout time,

553
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.640
throughout culture. So with me, I love comparative mythology, and

554
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.279
I'm like, if if all these stories are echoing around

555
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.920
the world, then someone had to first scream for there

556
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.240
to be an echo. You know, there's too many common

557
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:38.039
themes to be coincidence kind of thing. And so as

558
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:43.880
I searched it out, honestly, had it took out my

559
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.240
theory that I found or made during this journey, uh,

560
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.400
pretty pretty red boat on both of those camps of

561
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:59.559
physicality as spiritual because I found through the ancient extra

562
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.680
biblical books and writings and the legends of the Jews

563
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.240
through LUs Ginsburg and all this stuff. They all pointed

564
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:13.440
to Esau being a serpent seed. And like I tell people,

565
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.039
I'm like, we can debate all day long if it's

566
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.119
real or not, but that's what they believe. That was

567
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.400
what's in their stories, and that's what's in their legends.

568
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.880
And thank God for people like Gary Wayne that actually

569
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.759
dive through the boring genealogies, because yeah, they're boring, but

570
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:31.720
they're there for a reason if you know what to

571
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:37.000
look for. And through his work we discover that Esau

572
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:43.119
marries into two Nephelom giant clans, and one of the

573
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.960
father in laws is named Sierr and that he reigned

574
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.759
from the land of Mount Sierra. And when you get

575
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:57.319
into etymology of that word, that means harry. So here

576
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.839
we have this Harry quote unquote man carrying into Nephilum

577
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:07.359
giant clans that are known for their hairiness, it interbreeds

578
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.039
with them, and then from his loins is where the

579
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:17.880
Amalekite race comes from. And the etymology of that name

580
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.799
that means the blood liquors, and all of their stories

581
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:29.960
and legends paint these guys as like sorcerer, sorcerer, necromancer,

582
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.880
shape shifters. A lot of the Rabbis even come right

583
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.400
out and say shape shifters. And that's why this is

584
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.640
the only clan in the biblical text where God says

585
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:44.400
kill every man, woman, child, and animal because they were

586
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.200
known to be shape shifters. They would shape shift into

587
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.400
animals to escape capture. So I tell people, I'm like,

588
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:55.359
it sounds like a sasquatch. So if you get this

589
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.599
Harry quote unquote man marrying into Nephlum giant tribes also

590
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.000
known for their hiriness and together, you've got a high

591
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:07.599
probability for some really strange pups here. And so if

592
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.920
we do have a remnant surviving, you know, maybe that

593
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:16.239
explains the physicality. Because they were known cave dwellers. You know,

594
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.039
we've explored three percent or something like that of the

595
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.559
world's cave systems, and Esau was known to be the

596
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.199
mighty hunter, like the Apex predator. I think that summarizes

597
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.800
Bigfoot pretty good. And people that want to you know which,

598
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.840
I know your listeners don't poo poo at it, but

599
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.800
a lot of people poo poo at Bigfoot, you know,

600
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.559
and say, if he was real, we'd have found one

601
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.280
by now, or we'd have killed one by now, and

602
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.199
all this kind of stuff. Well, what about the panda.

603
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.480
You know, people talk about the panda and it's common

604
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:51.559
knowledge to us today, but the panda was on discovered

605
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.719
in the last hundred years, but for thousands of years before,

606
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.599
there were stories of these huge white and black bears

607
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.639
that were ferocious, you know, in the woods and all

608
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:04.440
this kind of stuff, and people laughed at it, said, oh,

609
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.920
it's an urban legend that you know, it's like Bigfoot.

610
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.400
That's stories that parents tell their kids to keep them

611
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.440
out of the woods. And they're dumb creatures. So if

612
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.880
those dumb creatures can avoid being seen, captured and things

613
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.840
like that for thousands of years, I don't think it's

614
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.880
out of the question to assume an apex predator with

615
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.360
humanoid intelligence could avoid being seen or captured or keeled.

616
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.719
Yeah, it is such an interesting theory because it really does.

617
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.760
It would explain away a lot of stuff, which is

618
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:42.239
why you know, things like disappearing or vanishing, or you know,

619
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:51.639
even things like telepathy or mind speak. But it always

620
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:56.000
makes me wonder. So if you are in the side

621
00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:00.239
of people where it's like, Okay, there's something weird going

622
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.599
on with this bigfoot and it could be an fhlm

623
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.599
or something that has dark powers. Then what in the

624
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.760
world are we doing going after this thing? Like that's

625
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.320
got to be the craziest thing in all of mankind

626
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.679
to be like, I'm going to go after a grizzly

627
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:25.239
bart that is also like some darkly charged being as well.

628
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.960
That's that's pure insanity. I don't know, have you ever

629
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.000
thought of about that?

630
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.960
Or well I have, And there's a lot of people

631
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.199
in this space that take that viewpoint. I know a

632
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.760
lot of Christians talk about, you know that this is

633
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.920
a nephylemic, you know, hybrid being and or it's spirit

634
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.400
you know, wandering in the woods and you're going after

635
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.880
this thing, you're asking for trouble to stay away from it,

636
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.519
you know. I've heard a lot of people talk about

637
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.480
that and say that. But even when you get into

638
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.719
the Book of Enoch, I think here's where it ties

639
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:00.599
in the other part of it, the spiritual side entities

640
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.360
and stuff, Because the Book of Enoch tells you that

641
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:09.519
these hybrid races, these nephilem that when they died their

642
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:14.280
spirits were cursed to remain on earth and torment mankind.

643
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.679
So I'm like, Okay, when they were alive, they were

644
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:23.519
the Apex Predator, They were known sorcerers and shape shifters,

645
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.360
their nephilemic So therefore, when they died, their spirits from

646
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:33.880
Maine to torment mankind. So to me, I'm like, I

647
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.400
don't think it's out of the question to assume that

648
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.159
they would want to take a familiar form, one that

649
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:45.960
commanded you know, reference and dominance and fear. So they

650
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.079
appear as they once were, these huge, hairy human aid

651
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:54.119
beasts that we call bigfoot, And so I think that's

652
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.280
the other part of it. I think there might be

653
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.280
some flesh and blood ones, you know, like a remnant

654
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.880
of them left. But at the same time, we have

655
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:08.199
these spiritual woo woo type encounters with the same type

656
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.519
of creatures, but on a spiritual level. I think that

657
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.440
that could be their spirits that the book Enot talks

658
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.000
about and describes as demons to tormenting mankind.

659
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.960
Oh my goodness, that's you can definitely tell that you

660
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.280
did spend two years writing this book, as you really

661
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:30.079
have thought all the things through that I have not

662
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.679
thought before, which is, you know, there could be some

663
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.559
that are physical and some that are spiritual a spirit

664
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:45.079
And here's why. And the thing that I always comes

665
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.639
up in a lot of my interviews with witnesses, and

666
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.840
I'm curious to know what your thought about it is.

667
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.199
And I think it might actually tie in pretty good.

668
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:02.320
So have you found in your studies you know how

669
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.239
a lot of witnesses will say, I use the name

670
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.360
of Jesus and that is just like, do you think

671
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.199
that plays into things or what are your thoughts on that.

672
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.199
I think it does, because you know, if we believe

673
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:21.119
that it face value, they are demonic spirit and Jesus

674
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:25.440
was casting out demonic spirits, so he has power over

675
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.719
them and we have. You know, if you're a Christian,

676
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.159
you are protected by the blood of Christ and his

677
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.679
name his prayers. Because at the same time I had

678
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:37.719
mentioned earlier, Riley, when we got there, went around the

679
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.119
perimeter and sprinkled that ointment everywhere and started praying. We

680
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.039
had no encounters inside the camp. It was once we

681
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.480
left that perimeter.

682
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.559
That's okay. So you left, you left the blessed perimeter

683
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.159
and that's where the then the wild stuff started happening.

684
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:03.400
Yeah, goodness. And it was almost like the throwing of

685
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:08.039
the rocks and the hollering and the orbs was all

686
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.760
trying to lure us out of the safe space, so

687
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.760
to speak, and wanted us out of there. That's the

688
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.280
only way it could get to us.

689
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:24.440
Yeah, I absolutely, man, it's just what stuff is going

690
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.719
wild right now with the whole I think we're in

691
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:34.920
the middle of disclosure beyond. I mean, I think it's

692
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.719
going to get crazy right but like right now with

693
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.000
all the stuff being put out by the government. If

694
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.480
you told us, if you told me that ten years

695
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.840
ago that that's going to happen, my mind would just

696
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.760
be blown.

697
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.559
Yeah, and I moved the opinion. You know, like the

698
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.840
Book of Solomon says, you know, nothing new is under

699
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.519
the sun, that we will find something in Marvel and

700
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.039
think we've discovered this new thing he said, But no,

701
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.159
it's something old that was once already known but lost

702
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.440
and now being rediscovered. Like I said, I love looking

703
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.559
at comparative mythology and seeing what rhymes with other cultures

704
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:19.320
and stories of mythologies and giants, and Genesis six is

705
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.800
another one of those. It doesn't matter what continent you

706
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.840
go to, what religious group you go to nationality or time. Uh,

707
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:31.320
they all have stories of this same event. With the Mesopotamians,

708
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.119
you have the Anunaki, with the Bible, you have the

709
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.320
fallen Angels. With the Indians, they called them the star

710
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:41.440
people go over to India, they called them the Nagas.

711
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.639
In Greek mythology, you know Zeus and all these gods

712
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:48.119
came down and bred with women and made demi god

713
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.840
races like you know Hercules and Perseus, these demi gods,

714
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.000
you know a Nephilim. So you have these same stories

715
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.199
over and over again. I think this whole alien thing

716
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:02.119
is the same story, new name, because the commonality markers

717
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.840
are there. You have this you know, quote unquote alien extraterrestrial,

718
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:14.519
extra dimensional whatever race showing up and abducting people, having

719
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:19.400
breeding programs, trying to make hybrid races. It's the same

720
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.920
exact thing through all those other stories. It's just got

721
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.000
a new facade, a new mask or face that's more

722
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.679
appealing to the modern day man. I think that's exactly

723
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.920
what we're dealing with here. And then what did they do?

724
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.800
They came down and they gave forbid knowledge to mankind.

725
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.360
So what happened? You know, Roswell. After that event, man,

726
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.800
like we had slow progression with technology and interventions and stuff.

727
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.239
But then after that was at nineteen forty three. But

728
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.440
after that event at Roswell, Man, it's just technology skyrocket,

729
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.880
we got AI. All these unidentified flying objects in the sky.

730
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:59.280
Do I think some of them are are Big Brother? Yeah?

731
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:03.360
Do I think some or you know, following angels or entityes? Yes?

732
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:05.639
I do. But at the same time, I think the

733
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.400
government's mixed in there too, because just like all the stories,

734
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.679
they gave knowledge and information technology to mankind in trade

735
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:14.960
for something.

736
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.199
All right right there with you, man, I will reverse

737
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:21.840
engineering that stuff. We're at the point this this episode

738
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.320
is gonna get nukes so hard by algorithms that doesn't

739
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:29.519
even matter anymore. When when you so, I flew out

740
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.119
of Knoxville, I have a few things to ask you.

741
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.599
And so I'm I'm driving back from Middle Tennessee to Knoxville,

742
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:40.519
and I was like, you know, I'm just going to

743
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.480
take wherever, wherever it gets gets me through to get

744
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.159
to the airport. I don't care. And dude, the GPS

745
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:53.480
took me on. I was driving through the woods. It's

746
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.519
kind of like the mountains, the woods. I was like,

747
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.960
what is going on? I feel like this is the weird,

748
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.400
weirdest place and it is just weirdest all get out.

749
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.000
And I started driving by these signs and it's like

750
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.840
nuclear facility Oakridge. I was like, Oh my goodness, this

751
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.079
is the Oakridge place. Like this place has the weirdest

752
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:18.000
vibes I've ever experienced. And it's like you're driving through

753
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.559
the woods, but you man, you feel like chest on

754
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.280
the other side of those woods. It's the weirdest stuff

755
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.559
you probably have ever seen in your life. I don't

756
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.480
know if maybe that was just me, but dude, that

757
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.800
area was was weird. I don't know if you've ever

758
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:31.679
been over there.

759
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.440
Oh yeah, I mean, and you get all kinds of

760
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.360
dog man stories and bigfoot stuff going on in that

761
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.639
area that makes you wonder how much of it is, uh,

762
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.400
you know, like eleven in the upside down stranger things

763
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.320
you know going on in that facility and a lot

764
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:49.840
of people don't know. But the collider, you know, cern

765
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.159
Uh that wasn't the first one. The first one was

766
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:56.079
at Oakridge.

767
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.320
Oh yeah, that's still the Hadron collider thing.

768
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.159
Yeah yeah, yeah, So who's to say, you know that

769
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.039
they had that on a small skille there is like

770
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:10.360
a tester and lord knows what, you know, riffs they

771
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.000
have made, or portals they had opened to let some

772
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.320
of these spiritual entities out and things like that.

773
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.280
You know, Oh, I think there's something definitely to that.

774
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.159
I know Tony has had some amazing interviews on the

775
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.400
Confessionals about that. I had one guy reach out to

776
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.719
me once about it, and we're still working on it.

777
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:36.119
That has some connections to that facility, and that would

778
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:41.679
be very interesting. When to go back a little bit,

779
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.599
So you've got, let's say, so going with the theories,

780
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:53.840
so Bigfoot nephil or Nephylon related, but then you also

781
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.800
have the giants. Do you think what is there an

782
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.239
overlap there when you have like you could have you know,

783
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.519
you had in the Bible. You there's giants talked about obviously,

784
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:06.840
I mean you have David and Goliath, like right, there's

785
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:11.239
the one that everyone knows. But then so is it

786
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.239
saying that Bigfoot could be these giants that are talked

787
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.000
about in the Bible? Do you think this is a

788
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:22.840
totally different type deal. I know, that's a really weird question.

789
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.559
Now, I mean, it's a muddy it's muddy water. Either

790
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.360
way you tread through it. But I think what we

791
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.559
call and I talk about in the book in more detail,

792
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:35.679
but I think what we call a bigfoot and or

793
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.719
sasquatch today, in ancient times they just called a giant

794
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.360
or a feral giant because they talk about Esol just

795
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:48.400
so casually. He was covered in hair from head to

796
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.239
toe like a harry kloak. And then boom it moves

797
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.280
on starts talking about you know, other stuff, and we're like, whoa,

798
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.119
that's pretty significant. Why aren't they talking more about that?

799
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.639
Or what's up with that? Where's the context? Because it's

800
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:04.760
strange to us. I don't think it was strange to

801
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.559
them back then. It was very common. That's why they

802
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.920
were just so las of daisy about it. And then

803
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.960
even with the etymology of the words. His father in

804
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.199
law was Sierra, who rained from the land of Mount Sier.

805
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.000
I mean they were talking about they were harry giants,

806
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.119
you know. I guess you know what we would call today,

807
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.880
you know, a really tall feral person, you know, a

808
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.119
feral giant. And I think that's what those were. And

809
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.440
I think we see some of that gene marker because

810
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.840
I even get into some of the science in the book,

811
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.159
because I wanted to know if science had anything to

812
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.559
say about this, what did they say or what was

813
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:51.039
their theories? And then I discovered this thing called hypertrixosis,

814
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:56.639
and it blew my mind. And basically it says that

815
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.719
when we are in the womb, we are all covered

816
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.920
in hair, and they call it legano hair or something

817
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.280
like that. I think, so it's pronounced. But right before

818
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.880
the birth, your DNA coding tells you to shed that fur.

819
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.800
And there's some people that have a malfunction they say

820
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.119
in their DNA to where the body doesn't tell them

821
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.320
to shed that hair, and that they come out born

822
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.559
covered in hair. And we have all kinds of historically

823
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.199
documented people like this. Here's where you get the stories

824
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.280
of the wolfman and the wolfman syndrome, the bearded Lady.

825
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.920
There was a really famous one from like medieval France.

826
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:51.639
His name was Louis Gonzalez, and he was given to

827
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:57.159
the King of France as like a gift because of

828
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.599
how strange he was. He was like an oddity. And

829
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.599
luckily for Pedro, I said Louis, it's Pedro, Pedro Gonzalez.

830
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.440
Is that the king loved him and raised him like

831
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.239
a son, and it said that he dressed him in

832
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.119
the finest clothes, sent him to the finest schools, he

833
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.840
went to school to be a lawyer. Took really good

834
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.800
care of him, and you can search this guy up.

835
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:24.719
There's all kinds of paintings of this guy, and he

836
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:30.360
looks just like teen Wolf's dad. He is covered in

837
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.559
how he looks like a wolfman but dressed like a nobleman.

838
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.760
And he loved him so much that he even rode

839
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:41.719
him in his will, so that when he died, he

840
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:46.039
was given a piece of land, he was made a nobleman,

841
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:49.159
given a castle. They even arranged for him a marriage

842
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:54.800
with this woman named Elizabeth, and they had three I

843
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.239
think three children, and two out of the three had

844
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.519
this wolfman s entdrome covered and hair from head to

845
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:05.320
toe and they were both little girls. So there's all

846
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:10.679
kinds of historically documented people throughout history like this. So

847
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.039
I think that this is like a I don't know,

848
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:18.840
like a genetic defect or marker that was plugged into

849
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.039
the DNA of mankind by the Fallen Angels, And just

850
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:27.320
like any mutation, they're random, they just randomly show up.

851
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:32.679
So I think randomly you get this hypertrixosis popping up

852
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.400
in humanity because I think that's an echo from that

853
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:37.280
previous event.

854
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.519
Oh my goodness, is that is some intense, intense research.

855
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.440
Have you ever considered doing a documentary about your book?

856
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.480
Yeah? I have, And that's one thing I was thinking

857
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.440
about doing. Honestly. I got a bunch of footage with

858
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.840
Harley when we went, and then I got the footage

859
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:58.639
of that weekend, and I was thinking. I got some

860
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.840
other people too, in their testimonies and interviews, and I

861
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.800
was thinking about just taking all that and putting it

862
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.679
together and then maybe doing some talking head stuff talking

863
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.800
about my theories and kind of make it like a

864
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:14.280
overall documentary about you know, my book and the theory,

865
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.719
but just have all that kind of stuff woven in there.

866
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:25.760
That's awesome. I think it would be, because I mean,

867
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:31.760
we both know unfortunately, different people consume information different ways, right,

868
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:34.760
Not everyone who reads a book is going to or

869
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.719
not everyone's going to read a book, right, Some people

870
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.239
are going to watch stuff on YouTube. And I feel

871
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:46.800
like your, uh, your the work that you've done, it

872
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:51.679
probably would make such such a great documentary. But man,

873
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:56.599
it has been such a fascinating conversation, Doc, I think

874
00:51:56.639 --> 00:52:01.599
that would you ever is there any plans to go

875
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:02.920
back to that same area.

876
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.840
Yeah, because honestly, where I was wanting to do, you know,

877
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.719
some filmwork on it, and it's only like an hour

878
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.440
from my house. Oh yeah, So I was actually wanting

879
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.880
to go back and get some more shots and stuff

880
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.400
and kind of, like I said, I've never done this

881
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.039
thing before, so I'm kind of learning as I go.

882
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.360
I found out later about this thing called storyboards, so

883
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.480
I was like, Okay, I need to make a storyboard

884
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.199
and then I can you know, record some feeling stuff.

885
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.039
So I've actually hoped to go back out there this

886
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.880
summer and do some some shots and stuff to kind

887
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.480
of fulfill my storyboard.

888
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:45.760
That's fantastic. Yeah, keep us, keep us in the loop

889
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.719
with what happens. You know, we'll have to check in

890
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:53.280
with you maybe a little bit down the line. But

891
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.400
you know, it has been a fascinating conversation. Doc. Thank

892
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.280
you so much for coming on it. What are the

893
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.039
ways that you know people can reach out to you

894
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.880
or that they can keep up to date with what

895
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:06.760
you're doing and follow along.

896
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.880
Oh yeah, I mean I appreciate you having me and

897
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:15.519
like I said, if you are into ancient lost civilizations

898
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.920
and cryptids and the weird stuff of the Bible, all

899
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.719
those fascinating things conspiracy, I kind of dive into all

900
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:27.199
those really cool, fascinating subjects, but I filter them through,

901
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:31.239
you know, my biblical paradigm. But that show, it's called

902
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.840
The Prometheus Lens Podcasts. You can find that anywhere you

903
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:40.519
can consume content. Apple, Facebook, Instagram, Spotify, all the things.

904
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.679
Just search me up. You can find me there anywhere

905
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:47.760
you can consume content. The website it's Prometheus Lens podcast

906
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.559
dot com. You can get my book on there, or

907
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:55.320
you can get it directly from Amazon. It's in physical copy,

908
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.519
digital copy, and I also have it in audible and

909
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.719
it's no AI stuff. It's me reading it to you.

910
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.159
So I've been told don't listen to this voice at

911
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.719
at eight pm or later. I will soothe you to sleep.

912
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.440
I get that. Oh my goodness, I said, Doc, thank

913
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:19.199
you so much again the privilege having you on. Thanks

914
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:23.239
again to Harley for connecting the two of us, and

915
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:25.159
we will definitely be in touch.

916
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:26.880
Sir awesome.

917
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.519
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

918
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.800
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, man, I

919
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.679
would love to get out in those woods and experience

920
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:42.239
it for myself. Well, guess what This year you can.

921
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.840
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

922
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:50.800
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

923
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.480
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

924
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:58.679
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

925
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.400
be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll

926
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:06.920
probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't

927
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:13.159
heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

928
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.599
you just gotta be there. We'll leave it that more

929
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.360
about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check

930
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:24.000
this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary

931
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.320
series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not

932
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.599
only go to the festival, but you can also sign

933
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:39.559
up for a track deep in the wild forest outside

934
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:44.280
of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots to

935
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:47.960
look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up

936
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:52.039
for this, and yes, this will also be filmed for

937
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.239
the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching

938
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.800
for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

939
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:02.800
It's just it's gonna be a wild, wild experience. To

940
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.440
get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot

941
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:12.199
com and listeners can use the code b SP like

942
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.840
Bigfoot Society Podcast in order to get a two day

943
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.880
pass for the price of a one day pass. So

944
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.800
thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that

945
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:30.280
you guys can can get a little help with the

946
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.719
cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you

947
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.960
at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk

948
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.440
about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many

949
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.039
people last year and the year before. It is an

950
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.719
incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,

951
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:51.480
and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,

952
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.119
I want to say something directly to a very specific

953
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:57.639
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

954
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.679
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

955
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.000
can explain, or if you're a National park ranger, a

956
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.360
forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if

957
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:11.000
you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,

958
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.159
or if you're with the FBI a federal agency or

959
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.760
working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

960
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.840
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

961
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:24.440
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

962
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:27.599
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

963
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:31.480
on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government

964
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.159
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

965
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.840
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

966
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.400
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

967
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:46.159
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

968
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:49.440
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

969
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:51.920
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

970
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:56.480
shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen

971
00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:00.280
what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,

972
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:06.119
even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot

973
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.400
Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear

974
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:14.199
what you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.

975
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.760
You've got the story, We've got the mic.

976
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:20.039
See you in the woods.

977
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.760
Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

978
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:25.800
Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the

979
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.880
world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that

980
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.559
the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line.

981
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.920
If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe

982
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:37.039
to the channel on YouTube hit the bell so you

983
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.320
don't miss the next episode, and share this with a

984
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:43.280
friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if

985
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.280
you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple Podcast, please

986
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.440
follow the show there and leave us a five star

987
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:52.679
positive review because all that helps more people discover the show.

988
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.239
And remember, if you or someone you know has had

989
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:58.239
a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you,

990
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.920
so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com

991
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.719
and let's start the conversation. If you haven't gotten a

992
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.159
chance yet, check out our membership community over at www

993
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:11.079
dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com and that's where you

994
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:14.760
can hear tomorrow's episode today early in ad free and

995
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:18.719
members only episodes every week. Also, it's a place to

996
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.960
connect with other people that are into the Bigfoot subject

997
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.719
as much as you are. Thanks again for following along

998
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.719
with the Bigfoot Society. Until next time, keep your eyes open,

999
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.559
trust your gut, and never stop asking what else might

1000
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:32.199
be out there, and see you in the woods.