Aug. 11, 2024

Sasquatch Siege of Rainier, Oregon (Archives)

Originally aired 8/28/23

In this episode from the archives, we talk to Wade, who shares his traumatic experiences with Sasquatch while living in Rainier, Oregon. Wade recounts his family's move from California to Oregon in the late 70s and the...

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Season 1

Originally aired 8/28/23

In this episode from the archives, we talk to Wade, who shares his traumatic experiences with Sasquatch while living in Rainier, Oregon. Wade recounts his family's move from California to Oregon in the late 70s and the increasingly intense interactions with a group of four Sasquatches near their home. They discuss various frightening behaviors of these creatures, like looking through windows, destroying property, and observing the children. Wade also touches on the impact these encounters had on his family, the community's reaction, and the eventual sale of their property to the federal government. Listeners are provided a detailed and chilling account of cohabiting with these mysterious and enormous creatures. Wade’s reflections reveal the emotional and psychological scars left on him and his family from these inexplicable encounters with Sasquatch.

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slash the big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the

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privilege of talking to Wade tonight. He has contacted me

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from a great state of Oregon. How's it going tonight, Wade.

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It's going very well, Thank you very much.

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Awesome. So you reached out and you're saying how you

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would like to provide some information hopefully it would be

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able to help listeners about the time that you had

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lived and is it okay if I say the area

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where you had lived in Oregon? Absolutely Okay, so you

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had lived in Rainier, Oregon and you had some really

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interesting interactions that sounded like with sasquatch in that area.

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So I'm just going to let you go ahead and

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share what you had experienced.

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Okay, that'd be great. Well, we came to Reinier, Oregon

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from southern California. As my dad was a pipefitter. He

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was hired onto the Trojan Nucleip plant as it was

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being built. And I'm one of many kids and boys

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and girls, and I was the youngest, and Dad bought

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this land and when we first got there, there was

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we moved into this just horrible a single wide trailer

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until we can get a brand new one there. And

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right off the bat, some very odd things were occurring.

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We thought it was just a neighbors coming over, but it.

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Wasn't to be blunt. These animals or whatever they are,

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whatever you choose to call them, they're as real as

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the vehicles driving down the road. That being said, they

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had a nasty habit at first of just looking through

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our windows and scaring mostly all my sisters, all the

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girls and my mother, and they would scream and run

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from the room, and Dad would always run out the door,

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and he wouldn't hardly ever see anything, but he would

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hear uh loud footsteps as if you were dragging a

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engine block through the woods, so to speak. We all

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started to get pretty good looks at him here and there,

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and in the daytime and a night time, and.

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It was obvious as we cleaned this single wide.

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Up the outside of it that these animals were pounding

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on the this trailer, and it was they was just pounded,

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and we we slowly understood what was what was occurring.

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They didn't do anything aggressive at first. They were just there.

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They were just curious of what was going on. It

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was obvious to a plowboy that nobody had lived in

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this trailer for quite sometime years possibly, so we knew

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that there was four. We knew that there was four

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because we all seen all four of them at the

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same time many times, mostly in the daytime. There was

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obviously a large and you'll excuse a cliche, there was

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a large male, and well, saying large is kind of

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an understatement. There was a smaller female. She was more boxy, chubby,

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kind of shaped, and then two younger ones.

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That were almost identical.

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One was a little brown, one was a little cinnamon

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red and they were very almost identical in height. So

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Mom and Dad had to rationalize this. They were lying

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to us children. They had to become professional liars to

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their children by saying, oh, these things are just like monkeys.

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They're monkeys because we came from California and we would

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often go to the San Diego Zoo, you know, once

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a year kind of thing, and so because they did

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not want their children frightened, so we thought, okay, they're monkeys,

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so we wouldn't be afraid. So in time we had

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a new double wide put in above where we were

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at and cleared off a bunch of land, and Dad

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had hired a company to come in and start cutting

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down trees that were enormous within themselves there, you know,

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the kind of logs you'd only be able to put

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two or three on a logging cruk. And that's when

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things changed quite a bit. They would just come out

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and stand there, away from the tree line by a

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few feet. They they were quite unafraid, all four of them.

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They would stand most of the time motionless.

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They had.

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No fear of us whatsoever, at least to us the family.

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The everybody was hassled and when I see, when I

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say everybody, I want to let me qualify that the

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Timber followers that Dead hired, they were being hassled and

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they were being scared off by these things. The people

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that we bought the land from, a very elderly couple

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named Belle and Hal, they still lived on the property

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in old shack. They were being harassed and so slowly,

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over months and months, things would uptick. So what Dad

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thought he would do is let people at the time

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who was.

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Working around him. He would let the men live.

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In the single wire that we did staying there for

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for one reason, Dad said, I'm not going to charge

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you any money to stay there, because at the time

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it was super hard to find a place to live there.

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These things were on the property.

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You'd make a reasonable effort to air them out any

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way that you see fit and and you're good, and

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so they did. I was always instructed to stay away

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from them, and it just got really bad, especially for

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the girls. For some reason, the male and female they

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were just they they couldn't they were It's like their

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curiosity got the best of them. And the girls, of

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course would use high pitched voices because we were young

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and the girls were just frightened of absolutely everything. My

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older brother he was the oldest, and I was the youngest.

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We were told things a little bit differently. Dad of course,

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being this five foot tall pipe fit that resembled Yosemite.

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Sam also a marine in the Korean War era, was

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no joke. You didn't mess with this guy, and you're

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not gonna tell him what to do, you know, but

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a very decent amount. And he'd look at my brother

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and I and say, these things are a threat.

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I don't want you.

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To grab a rifle and go after them, because that's

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what they probably want. And we never did. But the

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men in the trailer start to seek these things out

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to fulfill their obligation, so to speak, and and it

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just got worse. They kind of I think that was

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kind of a mistake on Dad's part. So you know,

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this is this is a span over four years. At

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least it was for my brother, my dad, and myself.

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Now after two years, all my sisters, including my mother

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who is a heart patient, and not to be startled,

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they had had enough. They're always these were not the

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girls that we remember when we moved there. There they

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could never get any sleep. They're always scared. They they changed,

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and Dad was. Dad was, of course concerned. I'm more

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than concerned. He was, you know, scared for all the girls.

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Every once in a while, you know, one of the

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girls or both of the girls are all four of them,

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for that fact, would run in house screaming, and you know,

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and that's not good. And the nerves would be high

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for a couple of days. But then a few days

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later something else would happen. The girls would get scared again.

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So and this went on for a couple of years,

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and Dad finally sent the girls away to Kenwick, Washington.

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And the day after Dad had sent the girls away,

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he got the men from the trailer down there and

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us two boys and informed everybody the girls are gone.

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I want these things aired out. You know, all all

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bets are off. So it's funny people think, oh, just

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turn on all your lights and and they'll go away.

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That's that's that's not exactly true. They don't care about

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the light. They don't care because often you would see

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them in a light like an old farm light in

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your driveway that you would have, and they'd be standing

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just a few feet away from it. Either still, and

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at the house, most of the time or off at

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one of the other animals creatures. So that's not you know,

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people think ternaminal lights and they'll go Now. They know

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they're not going to go away. They're not afraid. So

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they tried a lot of different things to actually lure

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these animals in, and not a darn thing worked to

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lure than him. They tried to bait him or whatever.

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They just wanted to get a shot at them. And well,

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let me describe the animals. The large male, I remember

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this boiler maker. He was a boiler maker, and these

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are all savvy men. He had said the mail was

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at least ten feet tall and a little under one

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thousand pounds, and he never qualified how he knew that.

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But you look at these group of men, they knew

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that they were. These were old school, very tough, all go,

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no stop hunting, almost year round kind of men. And

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the female was probably probably about eight feet tall and

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a little bit lighter.

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But just they're there.

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It's my opinion that when people go in the shock,

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they think that, you know, they could see when it's

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no big deal, but they're not ready to see how

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enormous these creatures, these animals actually are, and that's what

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stops people in their tracks. I think it's something inherent

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in all of us that when we either see something

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that large that's not supposed to exist, that it you know,

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it scares us into to act out or just to

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shut down and not move. But anyways, the uh, the

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two smaller ones, I believe it probably their children. They

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were at least eight feet tall at the very least.

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And but they were they were very very fast, and

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they would run every once in a while. They would run,

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but they wouldn't It's it's kind of hard to describe.

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They would lean forward a little bit, but their hand

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their arms wouldn't like, uh, pump back and forth like

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like ours would. They're they're they're almost completely still. So

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it's a little off putting, you don't It almost looks

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a little cartoonish. Yeah, it's almost a little cartoonish. So

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about two months after that had sent the girls away

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to Washington State, the large male was standing directly underneath

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the light on a water well pumphouse.

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And we had just put that thing in and built it.

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And these animals had had a nasty habit of not

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taking things, but they would they would pumble things.

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They would beat it up. Whatever it was. They would

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just pummel it into the ground.

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It was you know, who could guess the behavior of

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such animals, but that's what they did.

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It just it was really infuriating.

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Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages?

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Sure to all of us it made no sense.

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Even a Tonka truck, a Tonka truck that I left out,

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it was just absolutely smashed, like you literally ran it.

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Over with the car. And but there's no mistake, you know,

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with the.

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Uh footprints around this talk on the ground, you can

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clearly see what what the what had happened. So but anyways,

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the large male he never had a facial expression, uh never,

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not once.

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Everything on his face was.

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It's like extravagated, like his eyes, his nose, his lips, like.

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You could put.

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Both your fists in his mouth and still have room.

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He was kind of like and with all due respect,

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he looked like he had Down syndrome. For batim, He's

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you'd look at this animal and just say, ah, he

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has Down syndrome. And the reason why I can say

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that because they would put their faces right up to

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the window. There's no mystery. Their eyes would move very quickly,

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and you would just see a little little shards of

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white on the sides of their eyes when they would

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move left and right or up or down. And the

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female looked like just like a huge mouth person, all

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the same body parts, of course, but she was expressive.

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Her eyebrows would move up and down quite a lot.

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I was always.

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Surprised at how you could like see her pink nostrils. Really,

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it is just like the brightest pink within her nostrils

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that you could always see. And the two smaller ones

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that were almost identical, they were well, they kind of

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looked like Bonobo's. It's a certain type of monkey. So

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we try to keep an eye on these things, what

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time they would come and go, the noises we would hear,

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and how they behaved. And we knew always that they

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would leave in the wintertime, and they always would when

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the snow hit they were gone.

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I don't know why. I don't know why I'd be guessing, but.

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They would do things that we're now thinking about it

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now is the most god awful.

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Creepy things that like.

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Between the new house and there was a very old

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barn there in that we had well over a century old,

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but very large. They would crawl clearly on their bellies.

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There's no other way, you know, to describe it. Between

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the barn and the house. And it was about three

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foot tall grass, and they'd leave a swath in this

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grass easily eight nine ten feet wide.

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It's just and it would just be an HARKing crawl.

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And I do remember distinctly standing there with Dad and

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my older brother, and my older brother exclaiming with his

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hands up in the air, going, Dad, I don't know

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what to tell you.

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They're crawling.

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They're crawling, you know, through the grass, you know, and

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even though the grass wasn't very tall, and you would think, okay,

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how can such a large animal crawl only through three

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feet of grass and not be seen? And it's just

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absolutely creepy. They would sound completely different in two different ways.

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They would if they were at it, like a distance,

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they would howl.

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Nothing else sounds like that.

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They would in a very large, loud call.

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But when they.

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Were close, it would be like like if you recorded

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somebody mumbling but played it backwards. If that's when you

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it's like they would they would mumble for lack of

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final words to each other.

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So they let me get back to the large Mail.

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Here the about a month and a half after the

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girls were sent to the tri Cities in Washington, there

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were the large mail was standing in the light by

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the pump house and his shoulders were well above the

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pump house roof, which was in your standard feat you

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know roof.

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And Dad was so.

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Angered by the hubrist of this creature that he went

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to the gun case yet again and he pulled out

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his rifle. And this was and I still got that rifle.

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Actually it's at thirty out six Weatherby. And he was

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so irritated at the time he didn't want to run

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all the way to end the trailer. Excuse me to

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open the door and shoot at this thing. He slid

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the one of the two windows on this big window

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on the front and shoved the rifle through the screen

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and shot at this animal. Now, Dean and I were

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standing there in the middle part of the unopenable window,

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and you can see, you know what it's like when

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that when a bullet will hid an animal like that,

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You see lots of dust and fur and the shot

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on the body as a bullet hits. Now, Dad hit

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it in the left shoulder and.

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I don't know.

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Where he was amy, But I'm telling you, this animal,

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as big as it was is, was turned around and

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got out of the out of our view, which is

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maybe thirty feet to the tree line, and out of

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that light fast before the fur that came off the

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animal hit the ground. And you can't it's hard to

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articulate how fast these these animals are capable of moving,

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but they can if they're if they're motivated.

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So not too.

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Far after that they started their behavior changed a little bit.

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So what they would do is that they would step

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out of the tree line a little bit. They would

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make a left or a right in this big circle.

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I mean we're talking maybe four acres cleared off in

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a trailer right in the center, and they would run

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along the tree line like you see some people in

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the yard where that dog has been in that yard

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for a year and it's got this you know, this

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trail just completely worn down. It had that look. But

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this was maybe four feet wide and it was just dust.

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There was nothing growing on the circle. So that's kind

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of humorous, but it's not. It's a little unsettling. Everything

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about it is absolutely unsettling. So what what I understand

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now is that they had a problem with a few things.

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They had a problem with the color black. I'm just

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gonna go ahead and say this. At the time, Mom

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had two cars. She had a big Ford VAM with

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lots of windows and bend seats for kids, and it

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was light green.

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But mom Dad also bought Mom a big.

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Huge Honos like the nineteen seventy some Lincoln Continental, and

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they would run into that thing from It could be

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just a little after dusk, and they would literally run

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into it. It was odd. I can't explain why. I

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can't explain why. I don't know, but I went against

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my dad's wishes and I was I wasn't messing with

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these animals, but I wanted to try something. And what

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I did is that, Okay, the reason why I did.

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They have a problem with splitting their attention is if

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they can only pay attention to one thing at a time.

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And what I did is I hung a pop can

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from a fishing wire over a branch just barely inside

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the woodline, and I fed that the fishing line all

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the way back to the porch of the house, and

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it was up there for about two weeks until I

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finally had the nerve to jiggle the can when I.

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Would see one.

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This was the female, and I could see her.

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Even though.

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She was just a few feet into the tree line.

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She would sway just a little bit just I seen her.

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And she wasn't aggressive, but she's seen me, and she

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knew I could see her. And I walked over to

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the edge of the patio and I started jiggling that

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fish line and as if as if you were teasing

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an animal. They became tormented or frustrated that she did

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not want to take her eyes off of me, especially

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after I jumped off the patio and started pulling the

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string again. But she could hear what was going on

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about twenty five thirty feet away from her, and that's

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the only time I really seen her neck really move

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a little bit independently of her, just this enormous, blocky body.

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And she became frustrated and started like crying, like just

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this high pitched kind of frustrated cry. So I was

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just a knucklehead kid at the time. I knew nothing.

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I just do nothing.

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But I did this.

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And it lasted for about which seemed like an eternity,

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but it was only just a few minutes.

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And I didn't.

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Even have the guts to go retrieve the can after

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she turned and walked away. But we did see the

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male that Dad shot twice after that. But this wasn't

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a terribly consistent thing with these four. But it was

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just an instant me be once a month, sometimes twice

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a month, but it spread over almost four years until

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Trojan the nuclear plant actually opened. And as we're talking

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the late seventies here and but Dad had a very

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hard time with the people around him, the neighbors. There

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was two houses across the street from us. They never

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came out at nighttime. I knew that they were angry

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with Mom and Dad for cutting down the lumber for

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some reason. And I think that they already knew that

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these animals were around. And here comes my dad mucking

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everything up. You know, you're you know, you're stirring the pot,

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and you're making trouble for all of us. There was

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people that I would show up and give my dad

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a hard time. They all the way from.

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The Department of Interior.

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I think I'm trying to remember the logo on the

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side of that vehicle.

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But there was a.

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Man in a white shirt with pins in his pocket

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and heavy black glasses and black slacks.

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Big for a society who would be right back after

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these messages.

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And he was also with another man who was a

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very large man, very gruff, very tall, and they were

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telling Dad.

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What not to do.

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And I didn't hear them very well, but definitely heard Dad.

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And he said, you're not going to tell me what

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to do.

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Of course, Dad used a lot of colorful metaphors, and

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he goes, I know what I'm shooting at.

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I've had it. If you don't like.

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It, why don't you come up here and stay a

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couple of nights and see.

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How you feel.

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You're not going to tell me what to do on

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my land, And if you don't like it, then tough.

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You know, the police and game boardings would be there

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at least once every two months, and that was a

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little bit more cordial, calm conversations.

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But everybody knew up on that land.

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And the land sat a couple miles up a road

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called near City Road in Rainier, Oregon, and it was

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just passed at a quarter mile past the cemetery that

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is a private member only cemetery.

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I'm trying to I don't remember what the membership is

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on the right.

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And everybody knew without exception that these animals were up there.

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Without exception.

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So I understand my dad's motivation that he wanted these

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animals gone. Dad bought the land to harvest the lumber,

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but these animals were making it hard on everybody up there,

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from just absolutely everybody, so it would be financially ruinous

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for us to leave, even though Dad was still working

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as a pipefitter hat trojan. So, like I said, these

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these are not mythical creatures. They're they're absolutely blood and bone.

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I think that they're a primate, but I think they're

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just more than just a primate. They're they're more whatever

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that is. But whatever that is, I don't know. I

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think that you would be a fool, foolhardy to jump

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in the woods, ignorant of a lot to go look

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for these things if you think you know where they are.

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There's no part of that equation where that will turn

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out a positive for you. And I want to qualify

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that everybody knows, even a plowboy would understand. If you

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don't want to be seen in the woods, all you

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have to do is stand still for the most part.

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But they have the ability to move so quickly that

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I'm telling you because I hunt every once in a while.

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You're not going to be able to draw a beat

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on these animals. You're not going to be able to

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lead your shot if you get a clear shot. I

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think if they let if they let you see them,

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they've either either made a mistake or they want you

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to see them, and you're in a faith full of trouble.

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But for some reason, these animals, they were just absolutely fascinated.

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With us kids.

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They weren't aggressive towards us, they would just observe us

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for lack of final words, but they were aggressive to

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everybody else. With that exception. The even the men coming

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up that drilled the new well up there, their equipment

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was thrown around. They seen him. They were frightened. Now,

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and I want to prove that even the men that

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he hired to drill the well were frightened. On the

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second to the last day before they hit water, Dad

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and I were coming up the hill on a Saturday

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afternoon in that deep Forest Green Company truck he had,

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and they were coming down in their trucks and they

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just said, hey, look, Dean.

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We've had enough. You got to you got to get

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rid of these things. We're done, And he you know.

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Of course they were exchanging some co full metaphors, and

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he goes, all right, you know, i'll put the men

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right on the land while you're working as much as

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I can, and we'll make sure everything is okay. And

465
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.360
they came back the next day and they hit water

466
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:29.000
and then that was it. But they harassed everybody, especially

467
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:36.880
the the lumberjacks, all the men that went up there

468
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:41.039
to cut down all those trees, and not just a

469
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.239
little bit of trees, but it took at least three

470
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.920
years to cut down and process all these trees, which

471
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.840
was good for us. That's why we bought the land.

472
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.280
But they never harmed us kids. They never harmed us.

473
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.000
They, like I said, they're curious.

474
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.480
Sleep would just get the best of them. I didn't

475
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:12.280
know a lot of the problems in my family. While

476
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.960
there were so many problems with my siblings, regardless of

477
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:23.679
their education, but they were still traumatized from when they

478
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.519
were young, and until an older cousin convinced me and says, hey,

479
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:30.960
you've got to get this off your chest, and I

480
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.760
also want you to understand why so many things happened

481
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.000
the way they happened. I remembered a lot, but He

482
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.679
helped me a lot to put it in a straight

483
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.719
line to where I said, Oh got it, I understand now.

484
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:53.079
So now to be sure, the property still exists, that

485
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.519
old double wide is still there.

486
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.239
The barn is gone, but there's two old.

487
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:05.960
Bachelors that live in that place, and I have no

488
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.400
doubt that they're having trouble.

489
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:17.000
So I rode by there, I.

490
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.519
Think about a year and a half ago now, and

491
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:25.119
I go on motorcycle rides and I couldn't help but

492
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.760
stop in and see the place, and it brought back

493
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.800
a lot of memories, and not a lot of them good.

494
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:41.519
So if you if they don't want.

495
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:46.000
You to see them, you're not going to see them.

496
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.880
If they want to, if they want to take you,

497
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.840
they're just they're just going to take you. And there's

498
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.639
there's no choice about it. They're they're too fast, and

499
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.679
they're too quiet.

500
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.079
There wasn't any really odor to them.

501
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.760
I heard somebody say once, I never smelled anything bad

502
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:08.840
with these animals.

503
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:12.280
I think there's a heck of a lot of them.

504
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:13.960
They would have to be.

505
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.800
Just like any breeding, you know, animal, they'd have to

506
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:24.000
be enough of them around. But if you hear somebody

507
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.599
else talk about them. It's hard to know what to

508
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:31.840
believe or not to believe. I'd like to I would

509
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.599
like to hope that they were just like a dog,

510
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.880
a simple creature, some intuitive and some kind of smart.

511
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.360
You can teach tricks, but they're not. They're more than

512
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:53.079
just a primate because they're emotional. They do emotional things.

513
00:39:53.199 --> 00:40:00.880
They they act out, they'll they throw fits there. It's

514
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.000
hard to describe, but they're they're thinking about it now

515
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.719
how they were acting. Sometimes it's they're clearly, uh, they're

516
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:16.840
emotional creatures and and that's scary within itself. If they

517
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.440
were just a simple animal like a deer or an

518
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.119
elk or a pig. But they're they're not. I think

519
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:31.159
that they're considerably smarter than we give them credit for.

520
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.559
So that's just a that's just about it.

521
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.960
Yah, Wade, can can I ask you some questions?

522
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:45.400
Oh? Please?

523
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:52.360
Da? Have you shared this with anyone else?

524
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:54.599
Yeah?

525
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.440
I talked to one man who was a very decent man,

526
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.960
and it kind of helped me a lot inside. Since

527
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:07.920
then too, it kind of made me angry because it

528
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:14.320
affected my family severely, and only in the last several

529
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:19.440
years that I realized that it really affected our family.

530
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.480
And what happened to us and how it shaped our lives.

531
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.760
But I was so young at the time, I couldn't

532
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:27.239
grasp it.

533
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.159
Right, So, this is just a random individual that you

534
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.920
had talked to to try to work through some emotions

535
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:35.559
you were having.

536
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:43.760
Well, no, this person was suggested to me and who's

537
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.800
had similar experiences. I thought, well, I'll talk to them

538
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.920
and try to you know, put it in a linear

539
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.920
way that that.

540
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:53.679
Kind of makes sense.

541
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.519
And it made me happy, but it also made me

542
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:05.960
angry for what these animals did. And they were just

543
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.039
being themselves. That's they're doing what they're doing. They I

544
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.719
don't think they were evil, but they're just they're just saying, hey,

545
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.079
we're we're here too, and we're gonna do what we're

546
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:18.719
gonna do. Wow.

547
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:20.679
So it wasn't a guy. Was it a guy with

548
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.960
another podcast? Because if it was, I want to listen

549
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:23.679
to that one too.

550
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:32.519
Yeah, it was what was a very decent man. I

551
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.440
liked them. His name was West Gurmer.

552
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.719
Oh yes, okay, so Sasquest Chronicles cool. I had a

553
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.719
feeling that wait, this is this is wild, like this

554
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:49.039
is a wild, wild story. Did they ever try to

555
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.960
get inside the houses or the trailers on the property.

556
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:55.519
No, they never did.

557
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.599
But what they what they did when they would like

558
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:04.519
act doubt, like negative behaviors like you would get from

559
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.360
a child, they would they would they would destroy things.

560
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.800
They At first Dad put in a white pick of fence.

561
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:16.679
It was a joke.

562
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.840
He always promised my mommy would put one in, and

563
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:20.960
by god, he did, and it was a nice one.

564
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.280
And they would stomp it and not just knock it down.

565
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.480
They would just they would just stomp back and forth

566
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.519
on this thing. After they knocked it down, they would

567
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.920
try to tear the barn up, tear branches. Obviously, they

568
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.559
would just like property damage.

569
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.039
You know, it was it was illogical.

570
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:48.000
It just you know, my young mind at the time

571
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:50.920
just couldn't process that.

572
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.199
Did you Do you have any thing from that time

573
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:01.920
period that could be used as evident of these creatures

574
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.159
besides your memories.

575
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:14.199
Other than absolutely everybody else's memories and experiences.

576
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.960
Well, I'll tell you what I tell you.

577
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.800
Well, I mean, there were so many people involved, and

578
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:26.400
absolutely everybody knew, every police officer, every game warden. We

579
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:31.199
would there used to be a restaurant downtown Rainier. It

580
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.239
looks like a Thomas Kinkaid painting right at the time,

581
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.280
in the late seventies, there was a pizza parlor called

582
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:46.000
Mister Ben Mister Ben Jangoes, and we would walk in

583
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.679
there as a family and we were all I was

584
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.440
standing by this little music box, and there was another

585
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:56.679
family there, and there was a little girl in there

586
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.280
that would they she was pointing, of course, there Ldren.

587
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.840
She goes, Look, mom, Mama, it's the monkey family. It's

588
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:05.800
the Monkey family.

589
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.719
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.

590
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:34.639
And everybody in that town knew what was occurring, the

591
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.599
two bachelors that still lived there as of like a

592
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:39.840
year and a half ago.

593
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:40.599
I think.

594
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.719
As soon as I told them my name, my whole name,

595
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:52.880
you could see Paul just rest on these people like, oh,

596
00:45:53.239 --> 00:46:00.960
it's one of you, and they knew right away because

597
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.400
there was so much history there in that town when

598
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:13.400
all of that occurred. I think I think people kind

599
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.960
of take these things for granted, that the fact that

600
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:22.320
somebody would grab the ripal and go they whether they

601
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.480
bang on trees, that's right, bang on trees and try

602
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:29.119
to call one of these things in your your toast,

603
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.199
just to you're you're you're not going to make it.

604
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:40.639
So I haven't looked into tracking these things down too

605
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:46.880
much or what they really are too much. I'm still

606
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.840
angry in my mind and in my heart of what

607
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.800
what our family had had to live with over those

608
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:57.519
four years.

609
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.360
And this is in your in mid to late seventies.

610
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:10.199
Yeah, a Trojan was finally done and Dad just went

611
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.920
to the next nuclear plant, which was in the Tri Cities.

612
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.840
It was, it was, it was not it was.

613
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.000
I think the worst part about it is is not

614
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:31.079
just those animals. It wasn't just those animals. It was

615
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:35.000
it was the social things after the fact. When my

616
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.559
older cousin who was the same age as my brother,

617
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.119
my brother's the old some youngest, he looked at me

618
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.480
and he was the one that encouraged me to talk

619
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.599
to Wes. He goes, ever wondered why you guys buy

620
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:50.119
Christmas or time so much, and I'm like, no, I

621
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.559
really don't know, because you know, I really put on

622
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.000
the dog lots of decorations. He goes, because those animals

623
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.639
would always leave in the wintertime, and you guys could

624
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.599
relie like I'll be dipped in chocolate, And I had

625
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.599
no idea. It didn't really Dawn on me. You know,

626
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.840
I thought, well, okay, right, okay, okay, I get it.

627
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:19.280
And when we finally got up to Richland, Washington, the

628
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:25.639
Tri Cities, those girls they were nothing like I remembered.

629
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:32.199
And they all went on to have fantastic educations, fantastic

630
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.079
for all intentsive purposes, fantastic lives, but all their lives

631
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.159
were just well, they were kind of train wrecks because

632
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.000
they never they had such a hard time growing up

633
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.760
in that place. At least they were there for two

634
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:49.920
and a half years. And my brother too, I mean

635
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:54.840
the very next day after he turned eighteen, he joined

636
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:55.880
the Navy, and he was gone.

637
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:56.800
He didn't want to have.

638
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.440
And of course there's you know, me, Wade, and of

639
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.119
course nobody's going to stop and explain stuff to me

640
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.519
because I was just a you know kid.

641
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:08.960
How old were you during that time?

642
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:10.760
Uh?

643
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:11.239
Ten?

644
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:12.679
Wow? Dude?

645
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.400
Oh man.

646
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:18.400
I wasn't super young, but I was old enough I

647
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:23.079
understood a lot what was going on. There was a

648
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:28.239
man that worked, He was a pipefitter two and I

649
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:32.719
always wondered why Dad brought this one man with him

650
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.840
wherever he went. And he was this large black man,

651
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.039
but a sweetheart of a man and his name was Sippy.

652
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:41.800
I don't know if that's his real name or not,

653
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:46.320
but that's what I really called him. And Sippy did

654
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:50.320
something that he said worked real good. The fact that

655
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.880
one of these creatures even walked by him and hit

656
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.639
the butt of his rifle. But it was so close

657
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:58.880
with flag, but he was so close to the house,

658
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.559
and it was he was facing the house. Sippy was

659
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.880
with his gun, he couldn't shoot. But what Sippy would

660
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:11.239
do would get a bunch of trash bags, this old

661
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.440
black trash bags and tape them together and he would

662
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.760
hide under the trash bag just in the yard waiting

663
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:23.519
for one of these animals to show up. So he

664
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.400
couldn't give him the business. Now, Dad wasn't a fool.

665
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:33.880
Dad promised these men a pretty good cash incentive if

666
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.400
they were able to get one on the ground. So

667
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:44.440
this particular man named Sippy did his dead level best

668
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:46.880
until Dad died of cancer.

669
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:48.039
I'm sorry.

670
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.400
Well, you know he worked on all those nuclear plants.

671
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:58.960
That's where it's from. You wherever Dad went, like a

672
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:03.280
month later would show up and Sippy. Dad only worked

673
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:07.239
for three different companies his whole life, and he brought

674
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.400
Sippy with him wherever he went. So whatever Sippy did,

675
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.280
as they would say in a vernacular, Sippy did, data

676
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:23.960
is solid somewhere that I'm unaware of. So I have

677
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:30.920
no doubt that those animals have some type. I don't

678
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.679
know how long they live. There's no reason for them

679
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:38.599
to go anywhere. There's every possible resource and animal could want.

680
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.519
I mean, you think, gee whiz, you got brown bears

681
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.280
living in there. Well, I'm sure you could throw a

682
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:50.079
big primate in there. What's you know? So I have

683
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:51.800
no doubt they're still there.

684
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.599
Wait, how far out in the woods were you guys

685
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:57.800
live in from the town of Vernier, Like, was it

686
00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:59.960
quite a drive out into the woods?

687
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.119
Oh? No, not at all. We're talking up.

688
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:10.480
You leave downtown Rainier proper, and you go through maybe

689
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.480
a half a dozen blocks of the small town hilly,

690
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:19.639
very hilly roads, and there's a very large school at

691
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.199
the bottom of the hill. I think it was some

692
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:26.320
kind of academy, maybe I'm not sure. And you take

693
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.360
a sharp ride around that and that road is called

694
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:33.519
near City Road, and you're only going to go up

695
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:38.320
that road maybe a mile in small change if that,

696
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:41.760
And it's a one long straight shot up this road

697
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.159
not a lot of curves, so it was close.

698
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:47.400
It's not far away at all.

699
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:54.280
To prove I'm not a complete idiot, a few months

700
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.719
ago I Google map that just looked on Google Maps.

701
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.039
The cemetery is still there and it's all just there.

702
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.880
And even since the short time that I rode through

703
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.760
there on a motorcycle, they built a couple of more

704
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:14.159
houses here and there. But my suggestion is, if you

705
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:18.320
desire to find one of the's animals, it's real simple.

706
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:25.559
You go up that hill and between that old cemetery

707
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.119
it was some odd members only cemetery, I don't know

708
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.400
which one it was, and there's a power line road there.

709
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.920
You just hang out around there and they'll be right along.

710
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:42.039
Because they liked the power line road for whatever reason.

711
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:46.840
Why you could as sure as the sun comes up

712
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.320
every morning, you could always go down there and find

713
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:50.920
tracks on that power line road.

714
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:59.840
Absolutely goodness, I want to track down those bachelors so bad.

715
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:04.960
You know they're being messed with probably to this day.

716
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.280
There's no guest in my mind.

717
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.639
Right that's right now. The barn is.

718
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.280
The barn is no longer there, but it didn't look

719
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.880
like it just fell down. And there's a pile of lumber.

720
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.239
The barn is gone there, you know. There they took

721
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.599
all the lumber. But to the lept where the barn was,

722
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:29.280
there was a short little alleyway cut little cut through

723
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.719
the woods and there's an old cabin that's built.

724
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.679
I'm telling you what, till this day, I've never seen

725
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:37.199
anything like it.

726
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:41.159
The cabin is built out of like sixteen by sixteen

727
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:44.840
logs that had been hewed off pretty good.

728
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.559
It's just over built, like you and you wouldn't believe.

729
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.760
And that old couple that that bought the land from

730
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.519
named Bell and Hal.

731
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:54.280
They look.

732
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.119
And it looked like they just stepped off Norman Rockwell calendar.

733
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:00.000
It's really something else.

734
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:01.079
Uh.

735
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.760
They lived in that cabin even the whole time that

736
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:12.039
we lived there. So but just a delightful old couple,

737
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.840
you know. And it kind of makes sense now why

738
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:20.960
they would build a cabin like that. There's nothing that's

739
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:25.400
going to stop these animals if if they have it

740
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:26.199
in mind to do it.

741
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.639
You can run to your vehicle and close the door.

742
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:30.800
But that's.

743
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:37.320
That's even that's laughable. Let alone run into a double

744
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:42.480
wide mobile home. You feel safe there, you're do you

745
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:46.400
You can look from what I remember, there's no doubt

746
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.360
you could go in your a mid sized car or

747
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.119
your standard pickup and there's no doubt in your mind

748
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.480
that this animal, especially the male, can just shove it

749
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.599
right over. That's that's not a problem. But say that

750
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.679
you would see one of these things from a distance,

751
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:08.320
and you just be justifiably so pretty freaked out because

752
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.519
they're not supposed to exist or however, but they start,

753
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.440
they move in such an odd way.

754
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.119
That's when it makes it creepy.

755
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:24.480
They're so fast and fluid and fluid and muscled up.

756
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.840
All four of these creatures were that, like, how can

757
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:37.400
something that large move like that? It's it's really something else.

758
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.159
But I did find out a few things about the mic.

759
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:45.000
Their attention can't be split, they get they get frustrated

760
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.480
really easy with that, at least a large female did.

761
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:56.119
Do you have any relatives that are still alive can also.

762
00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:59.079
Yeah.

763
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:04.039
I talked to my oldest cousin about or a cousin

764
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:10.679
of mine. The man who encouraged me to contact somebody

765
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:11.800
and try to work it out.

766
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:14.039
He can.

767
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.239
I think that he would be I would think he's

768
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.039
a very reasonable man, that he'd be more than happy

769
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:25.280
to talk to you or anybody that of interest in.

770
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:29.159
He helped me put a lot of pieces together. Now,

771
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:33.800
this is a very reasonable, well adjusted man. He's not

772
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.840
given to wild unsupported statements exactly.

773
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.320
So he would have been in the same area time

774
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:43.320
period with you.

775
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:51.320
Well he was because Dad hired him as an apprentice

776
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:55.360
on the Trojan job site. So he had absolute firsthand

777
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.400
knowledge of all this that occurred. But you know, he

778
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.239
was nine years older than I was.

779
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.480
Oh so that's perfect. I mean what, he's seventeen, eighteen

780
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.480
years old, totally aware of what's going on.

781
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:12.119
Yeah, that's right, that's right.

782
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:16.679
And to talk to him, yeah.

783
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:18.079
Yeah, Well we'll try to. We'll try to get that together.

784
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:19.719
Anything you can try, now, sure.

785
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:24.800
Yeah, this this same man lives I think he's about

786
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:28.079
thirty miles away from me now here in Oregon, you know,

787
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.760
and he's working the land, you know. And this is

788
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:37.320
a very a very decent, hard working, mature man that.

789
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:42.039
His feet are on the ground. He doesn't you know.

790
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:50.159
He's pretty straightforward, old school dude. So we'll try to

791
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.760
we'll try to put that together. But I hear, I

792
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:57.519
hear of all kinds of stories. It's it's kind of funny.

793
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.239
You the Pacific Northwest, it's full of all kinds of

794
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.239
bigfoot and sasquatch stuff. And you I even seen the

795
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:09.880
Sasquatch Motel one time going over the past here, and

796
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:11.519
you guys just shake your head and you're like, on

797
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.000
ge wez you know.

798
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:20.519
You uh uh.

799
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:24.599
My wife grew up here, uh in Oregon and everybody

800
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:28.039
has some kind of experience. We're more we're more willing

801
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.920
to talk about it here in the Pacific Northwest. But

802
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:35.960
it's just it's just kind of laughable. We even got

803
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:40.039
a company here in Oregon that has bigfoot beverage right

804
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.360
on the side of their trucks and they distribute.

805
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.000
You know, and you're like, oh, even you know, chet.

806
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.960
Whiz, Do you mind if I ask you one more question?

807
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.920
I'm trying to be respectful of your time.

808
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:52.719
Oh, you can ask me anything you want.

809
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:58.719
So logically, there was a time when you guys left

810
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:02.199
the property. And it sounds like the Sasquatch did not

811
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:06.639
leave the property. So did you guys leave because the sasquatch,

812
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.360
in a way there was a situation where they won

813
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.639
in quotation marks or was it you left because of

814
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:13.440
a different reason.

815
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.199
No, it was an absolute. Well, there was a couple

816
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:20.599
of reasons, but we consider it. I would consider it

817
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:21.239
a draw.

818
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:22.159
Now.

819
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:30.039
Trojan was completed, Okay, it was completed, and Dad brought us.

820
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:34.719
Up to the Tricities to work at Hanford. But also.

821
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.320
A federal agency came in and bought the land from Dad.

822
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:50.360
And these people were no joke. They would always show

823
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:54.559
up in two and three deep.

824
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.239
They were very.

825
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.599
Cold and and aloof people, very analytical.

826
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.360
They weren't warm and close. These were very These were

827
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:08.679
some serious ombres.

828
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:16.039
And yeah, they they you know, he sold the land

829
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:16.840
to the Fed gov.

830
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.320
And you got you just gotta wonder.

831
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:22.480
You're like, wait a minute, why would the federal government

832
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.559
want a bunch of land that's just been cleared of timber,

833
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:30.039
you know, and it's all residential up there, it's all residential.

834
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:35.119
So hopefully in time, with the help of my cousin,

835
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:40.199
we'll try to you know, nail that down. But he

836
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.760
promised me he wouldn't bug me about this and tell

837
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:44.639
he's going to give me some time to you know,

838
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:48.440
think it through. And all it's really done was just

839
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.840
make me angry because of what it had done to

840
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:51.519
our family.

841
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:58.320
I can't imagine living through four years of of that.

842
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:04.639
That's absolutely incredible, and I'm thankful that you reached out

843
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:09.760
to me out of nowhere. He came through through a

844
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.639
message on face but I'm so glad you did. This

845
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:17.760
is absolutely incredible the story, but it must have been

846
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.760
extremely hard to live through, so I'm thankful you. Well

847
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:23.039
it can bring it up.

848
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:25.960
Well, You're very welcome, but it was.

849
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:30.559
It wasn't as hard for me because of my ten

850
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:36.280
year old ignorance, but it helped having the dad that

851
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:40.519
I had, because even if the situation was spooky or

852
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.039
creepy or whatever, when Dad looked at you and said,

853
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:44.960
don't worry.

854
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.000
Kid, everything's going to be okay, I got this. There

855
01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:49.519
was nothing else to talk about.

856
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:54.039
Your dad was literally a superhero, you know, and when

857
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.440
he said something, you believed that. When he told you

858
01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.800
to do something, you did it. And that was It

859
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:00.960
was literally that simple.

860
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.719
Did you ever talk to him later about it? You

861
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:10.119
know I did, And he would always start off with anger.

862
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:13.079
He would use a lot of you know, a lot

863
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:17.880
of profanity. Yeah, he said, you know, those damn those

864
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:22.800
damn animals cost us more than than I thought it

865
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:23.360
was going to.

866
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:29.800
And he said, we tried to kill every singler, every

867
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:34.719
single mother loving one of them, and nobody could really

868
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.280
get a shot on him except for him that one

869
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:42.880
night in under the light in the drive away in

870
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:47.800
the shoulder, right in the shoulder, that's right, And he

871
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:53.000
was the only one that you know, And gosh, I

872
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.599
wish he would have, you know, dropped it right then

873
01:03:55.679 --> 01:04:01.960
and there. But knowing what I know now about rifles, firearms, game,

874
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:06.400
et cetera, that rifle wasn't big enough.

875
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.960
I can assure you of that. It was not big enough.

876
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:12.559
And there's a bolt action thirty had six leather me right,

877
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:13.960
you dropped help with that thing.

878
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:16.679
You're not gonna.

879
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.559
It just wasn't big enough. It wasn't a big enough gun.

880
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:26.440
Wasn't a big enough round to drop this animal, No way.

881
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:30.000
I don't know what you're going to have to have,

882
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.559
but it better be at least fifty cow. I think

883
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:35.360
you're talking about it.

884
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.840
If you had, if you guys had dropped one, that

885
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.280
probably would have been the worst decision you ever would

886
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.599
have made in your lives. I don't want to think

887
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:49.360
about in situations like that, you know that you're going

888
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.039
to have to deal with the other ones if you

889
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:52.880
take one down.

890
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.280
Yes, that would make sense.

891
01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.559
Yeah, that man that could have gotten real dice really quick.

892
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.800
Well, my cousin had said something that was kind of odd.

893
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.400
I didn't get it at first. He said, you know,

894
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:16.400
I think those these things are avengeful. Wait, like like

895
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:21.320
big cats. He said, big cats are a vengeful creatures.

896
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:24.440
And I didn't, you know, I had no. I'm like,

897
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:28.320
what whatever, dude, you know kind of in my mind

898
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:33.119
because yeah, I think these these things they gotta they

899
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:35.400
got a mean streak in them. Like you know, you

900
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:37.199
got me today, but you know what, I'm going to

901
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.800
be back here in about seventy two hours in your toast.

902
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.920
Oh yeah, And I just said, yeah, okay, you know

903
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:48.840
sure whatever. Of course that was in the initial conversation

904
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:54.000
with him. So I'll contact him and maybe we can

905
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.239
get him to talk to you and he gets more

906
01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:58.559
clarity and more information.

907
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:03.840
Absolutely if you hold on for a few minutes off air.

908
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:07.440
But Wade, thank you so much again for reaching out

909
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:11.239
to me. This has been an awesome chat, and I

910
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:14.639
think that sure there's going to be some interesting things

911
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.639
that come out of this. But thank you so much

912
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:19.760
for chatting tonight. Wade.

913
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.960
Well, I hope that you're welcome.

914
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.800
I hope that I can help somebody out there that's

915
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.079
maybe struggling with the same thing, you know, and some

916
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:30.679
useful information.

917
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:36.119
Like don't go running in the woods look exactly.

918
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:40.280
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01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:08.400
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928
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Here's the list. If you've had any encounters in Oregon,

929
01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:18.159
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937
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.079
and again, thanks for listening.

938
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:36.399
Her and I can get out here, we can tell

939
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:37.000
our stories.

940
01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:38.760
Maybe there's somebody else out.

941
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.399
There listening it's too afraid to tell their story.

942
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:44.479
Maybe this will give them the courage to come out.

943
01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:46.239
And now I feel so bad about it.

944
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.239
Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw,

945
01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:52.560
I know what's out there. That's all I care about.

946
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:12.119
Please let people know, Please let them know.

947
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:14.479
If you ever see one of these things.

948
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:18.079
You need to tell, because if you don't, then shame

949
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:18.399
on you.

950
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:28.680
You know, shame on you.