July 5, 2025

Sasquatch Surrounded Our Camp in Gypsy Meadows! | Washington

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Season 1

What happens when two lifelong friends—and practicing physicians—set out into the California wilderness just to bond over a backpacking trip, but come back with a story they can’t explain? In this intense and gripping episode, we sit down with Curtis and David, medical professionals turned amateur investigators, who recount their chilling encounters in the most remote corners of the Siskiyou wilderness and Eastern Washington.

From a massive igloo-shaped shelter surrounded by inhuman-sized scat piles to a 16-inch footprint left in a marsh—just hours before they arrived—their findings raise more questions than answers. You'll hear about pine cones thrown in dead silence, twisted trees suspended in the air, and nighttime vocalizations that sounded eerily human.

Locations include the legendary Smith River, Kelsey Trail, and the Salmo-Priest wilderness near Sullivan Lake.

Listen now to find out what made two doctors believe in Bigfoot.

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See what happened when Curtis and David went back to Gypsy Meadows in June on the Salish Sasquatch channel here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf26b6mg3NQ

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You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account is from two physicians that are also amateur

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Bigfoot researchers. You'll hear about how they went deep into

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the California wilderness, what they've found there, and also what

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happened when they went up to eastern Washington. What happened

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there wasn't just weird, as you'll soon hear. This is

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a story of Curtis and David, the doctors who came

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back believers. So stay with us, all right, big the Society.

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You've got the privilege of talking to Curtis and David today.

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They are both physicians and also both friends, and they've

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come on the show to share some interesting Bigfoot related

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experiences they've had in the last few years. So, gentlemen,

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welcome to the show. How's it going today, and great,

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thanks for having us. Jeremiah, nice to meet you, get

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to talk to you, Jeremiah, absolutely, And just so that

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our listeners can associate the different voices, Curtis, how.

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Are you doing today?

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I'm doing great, perfect, And David yourself doing good, awesome,

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very good, very good. Well, guys, we were just talking

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a little bit beforehand, and it sounds like you have

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actually kind of prepared a way to present this, so

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you know, what I feel might be good is I'm

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going to hand it over to you guys. You can

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present your experiences and then maybe we'll chat a bit

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about it and I might have some questions for you afterwards.

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Perfect.

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Thanks. So I'm Curtis again for those out there, and

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just a quick little introduction. And David and I have

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been friends since I was trying to think the other day.

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I think he was eight and I was ten or now,

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both in our early sixties, so we've been friends for

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over fifty years. Probably during the summers between when I

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was ten at eighteen, we probably spent every day together

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at each other's houses. We went on vacations with each

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other's families. I think David considers considered my mom his

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second mom, and I considered his mom my second mom.

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So we're kind of brothers slash friends and have been

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so for so long. Once we became doctors and had

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young families, we kind of drifted apart, partly because our

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work schedule, family schedule, and I lived in a different state.

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But we, you know, get back together every few years.

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And we were the kind of friends that, you know,

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we might not have seen each other for a couple

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of years, but when we got back together, it was

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like no time had we been apart. In the last

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few years, our careers have kind of stabilized, we were

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both established, our kids have grown up, and we started

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maybe ten years ago, getting back together every year or

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so to go on a guy's trip. And so our

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friendship has rekindled and gotten even better over the last

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ten years or so.

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Yeah, it's been. I mean we've been best friends since

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we were you know, so young and stuff and always

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considered i mean new roommates from college, actually went to

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the same medical school together and were you know, always

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considered him, you know, my best friend through life. So

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it's been it's been great. And so when Curtis, you know,

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I called him up one time and said, hey, let's

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get together and let's go do something.

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And so I knew David had an interest in bigfoot.

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He growing up, he was very interested in a Native

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American lore, probably read a book a week on Native

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American history, and I knew he had an interest in bigfoot.

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I probably did not have much of an interest in bigfoot,

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and then of course, finding Biggerfoot came out, and that

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made me even much more of a skeptic. But about

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three and a half years ago, my wife and I

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had the opportunity to go to Napaul and we were

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hiking towards Evers base camp and our guide was a

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Buddhist monk and he asked us if we wanted to

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go see a Buddhist ceremony and just to you know,

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show interest in the local culture. We said yes, and

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we went to this ceremony and it was you know,

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obviously we didn't understand a single word, but it was

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still very amazing. And afterwards we were drinking tea and

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he asked us if we wanted to see something special,

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and he took us over to the back of the

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temple and there was a box that kind of looked

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like a about the size of a fire extinguisher box

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that you might inset in the wall or something, and

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it was about that big, kind of just hanging on

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a big pole, and it was locked up, and he

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unlocked the case and open it up and there was

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a skull and a hand of a yeti, and he

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gave us a little bit of the background, and you know,

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by his story, the Yeti had helped the original Buddhist

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monk there like three or four hundred years ago to

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build that temple, and then when the Yeddi died, they

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took his bones and kept it inside the temple. And

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the skull was probably maybe fifty percent bigger than a

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human skull. It still had a scalp on, it still

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had some short brown hair about an inch long. And

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then the hand is what really caught my attention. I'm

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an orthopedic surgeon, so I know hand anatomy pretty well,

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and the hand looked just like a human hand. It

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did not look like an ape's hand, but it was

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about twice as big as the typical human hand. I

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couldn't touch this, it was behind glass, but I was

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looking at it from six inches away, and so my

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interest suddenly peaked. And when day Would called in January

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of twenty twenty two and said, what are we going

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to do for our guys trip this year, I said,

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why don't we go see if we can find Bigfoot.

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So that's kind of how we got started.

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Yeah, my interest in Bigfoot, you know, been you know

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a little more purises. But like I said, I was

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Native American history was what I was interested. I was

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the Indian when you played cowboys and Indians read a

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lot of history with that. I knew that Native Americans

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had different names for for Bigfoot, you know, like Sasquatch,

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Harry Mann, you know, wild wild Man or you know,

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great brother. They. I had seen pictures of their kith

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marketings and things they've done. I saw the Patterson Gimblin film,

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you know, saw the shows like you know most everyone else,

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you know, finding big Foot now big Foot, that condition

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and things like that. I had heard of Teddy Rose

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Roosevelt's story that you had written in his book before

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he was president of the you know, the trappers. One

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of them got killed in the camp, you know, by

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a big foot and it felt footprints and things like

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that back in eighteen hundreds. So it's always been out

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there for me. And so Curtis came over for my

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fiftieth birthday. You found a bunch of bigfoot stuff on

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my DVR and really didn't. That's when we first realized

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we both had a little interest, you know, with so

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we said, well, let's go, let's we'll find Bigfoot down

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in twenty two. I said, well, I'll start doing some

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research on it, and I went to the BFRO and

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found it was looking over California. After we start local,

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I mean, we're definitely rookies. But most of this was

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just a you know, hey, we're going to get together.

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You have my best friend and I'm going to go

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backpacking and camping and spend some time together. But in

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the mean time, Neil, we'll say, what hey, we're going

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to go look for bigwood. So bfros Side looked up

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in the Siskiu, you know Siski area, which is up

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in the north west California, same area where Bluff Creek

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was Willow Creek and all that, and with the history

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of all that, and with it showing the most A

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type sidings in California, they said, hey, let's book there.

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And I started looking on you know, mapp being and

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trails and you know camp you know, interesting areas, and

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I always wanted to find places with you know, with

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water and out as far away from everybody as we could.

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So I found this on the Smith River. It's called

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a Kelsey Trail, and I said, hey, that's where we're

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going to go. So that's how we decided on the

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first spot. And so we go driving out there, and

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it's probably twenty five miles east of Crescent City, and

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then you go six miles out on a dirt road

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and end up at the trail head, and then you

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back back in about six miles where we ended up

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at our base camp at that time.

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And around the base camp we spent the first three

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or four days hiking all around. We went up and down.

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We had camp right by this creek. We went up

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and down the creek, we went clear to the Smith River,

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went off trail, and yeah, all sorts of places, and

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didn't really find a whole lot. And then David had

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been looking about our third or fourth day at his maps,

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and he realized that that even though there was only

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one way in and one way out on this South

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Kelsey trail, that a branch of it had crossed the

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creek and we hadn't been up that way, and so

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he suggested, you know, since we hadn't really found much

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in the first three or four days, and we weren't

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unhappy by any means. I mean, like David said, this

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was called a bigfoot finding trip, but really we fully

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expected just to go backpacking and you know, camping our

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best buddy. But Anyway, he found a branch of the

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trail had crossed the creek, and so we decided to

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do that about like I said, our fourth or fifth day,

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and that's when we started finding some interesting things.

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Yeah, the trail was heading more into the wilderness area

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from where our base camp is. When we first got there,

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like you said, there's only one trail in, so we

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set up game cameras you know, at the on the trail.

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At the we knew who was coming in or what

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was coming in there. So we the whole time we

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were there, we only met one guy came in on

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one day. We talked to him. He was coming in able.

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We met him when he was coming in for one

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night and we talked to him and he went out,

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so we knew when he was there and we knew

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when he left. But we went up so we was

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crossed this creek. We're hiking probably two more miles into

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the wilderness direction, and we're trying to be really observant

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to require were you know, thing smelling, you know, walking

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and looking for things, and we start finding things on

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that other side. When the first ding it hers found

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there's like twelve foot high big branch that was broken

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and bent down towards the trail of ninety degrees. Then

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they got a picture of that and he's trying to

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reach up and it's you know, it's really high. And

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now that's strange, Well, how did that happen when there's

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nothing on the ground that fell on it or broken.

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The branches above it are intact and the branches below

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it are intact. And was feeling like, well, what broke that,

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you know, we don't know, could have been anything, but

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we couldn't give an answer to that what we were

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finding in the area. So we keep going on and

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we found a rather the strangest thing I found was

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that this tall, big tree. It was probably about you know,

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on the five inches diameter, Kurt, would you say, And

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it was.

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Five or six inches diameter, yeah.

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But it's probably like thirty or forty feet long, and

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his point uphill. But the bottom of that was like

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about five feet in the air wrapped it was wrapped

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with these other trees, and it was they were twisted

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around it and holding it up in the air about

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five feet off the ground. And we look around and

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we're looking for spunks and where the hector this thing

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come from? And how's it being suspended in the air

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about five feet and how would that happen naturally? You know,

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but it was definitely this. We had a picture of

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the branches being wrapped around it and holding it up

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in the air. We didn't figure out where it came from.

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We didn't figure out the spunk we knew was pointed

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up there. There was a game trail going right by it,

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so that was really strange when we first found that one.

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Yeah, and the wrapping did not look like a vine

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had grown around the tree. It looked, you know, you

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could tell that the vine or branches were twisted to

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hold the tree up. And you know, a thirty foot

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tree that's five or six inches in diameter, I mean

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probably is two hundred pounds or more. I mean, could

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a human have done that, sure, But it was just

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sort of our first besides any tree breaks, our first

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you know, unusual finding. And we kind of went deeper

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into the into the forest and this was all off

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the trail. So we took that trail, like David said,

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about two miles from our base camp. But then we

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went off onto a game trail and started finding these things.

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I think the next thing we found we found two

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trees probably I don't know, fifty yards apart that had

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branches laid up against them. And these branches were not

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from the tree itself. You could tell one of them

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was like from a man's anita bush or something. It

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was completely red and the tree was, you know, nothing

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like that. And they were just leaning up against a tree,

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kind of like a lean to and they weren't really

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big enough to have anything sleep under it. But it

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was just kind of a weird finding and and sort

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of even before before going on this trip, and since

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we've seen other people who've shown videos of that, and

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I think it's even been in expedition Bigfoot. So we

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found a couple of trees with leaning branches. And then

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our next finding, there's probably about one hundred yards away

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from that, and again we're off trail in the middle

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of the wilderness. We came upon this dwelling, this primitive

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shelter that looked just like an igloo. It was probably

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five feet tall four feet tall, about six to eight

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feet wide, maybe eight feet long, kind of about the

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size of a three person backpacking tent, and it had

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an opening at one end and none of the branches

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had been cut by a saw or an axe, and

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they were all woven together. So this you took definitely

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took hands to make. Yeah, they weren't just leaning against

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something like a lean to. They were woven to give

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strength and stability. So we started thinking, you know, our

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first thought was as doctors, we always like to rule

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things in and rule things out. Our first thought was,

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you know, someone's been staying here, some person. But then

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we started looking for signs of humans being there. We

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looked inside and there was no bedroll or anything. Whatever

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had slept there had slept right on the twigs and

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branches and pine needles right on the ground. You could

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see a depression in there. And then we started looking

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for a fire pit, because most humans when they're camping,

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we're going to have a fire pit, if not for heat,

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at least for you know, comfort, something to watch it, companionship, whatever.

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And there was no fire pit. And then yeah, I

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think David came up with the idea, hey, there's got

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to be tracks around here, somewhere, and we started looking

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because even the cleanest humans are going to leave some

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evidence that they were there. And there were no wrappers

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or twin or plastic or pop tops or anything. There

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was no trash whatsoever. And then we kind of expanded

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our search and we probably got forty or fifty feet

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away and we saw sort of circumferentsial around the whole dwelling,

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six or eight piles of scat. And these piles of

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scat looked, you know, that it was shaped like a

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like human scat would be, but it was probably twice

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the diameter and probably two to three times the volume

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that a human would make. And these were placed all

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around the camp, maybe every thirty or forty feet, And

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at first we thought it was just sort of random.

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But someone has you know, since the adjusted to us

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that maybe whatever lived there was using it as a

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as a boundary marker. And I don't know, have you

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do you know who Beans Baxter is in Alaska? I

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don't know if you know him. Yeah, absolutely, he happened

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to hear about our story and he sent me a

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video of some scat he found in Alaska and it

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looked exactly like that, and he thinks that that scat

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is from an Alaska Bigfoot. The other interesting thing about

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the scat is that there was no toilet paper and

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no moths, no leaves, nothing was used to to clean

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whatever did the scat. So here we find this dwelling,

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this iglo like permanent primitive shelter with scat all around it,

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with no other signs of humans have ever been there.

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So you know, that was just a crazy finding that

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we found.

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But our way out, so yeah, we we spend quite

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a bit of time there with that one. So on

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the way out, another thing we found on was the wallet.

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And I've seen, you know a lot of these things.

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You don't like, you say, we're rookies at it, but

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we see these things and we've never heard of those

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things being happened in another Bigfoot you know, information or

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videos or whatever. But then we start, once we start

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seeing these things, then we start seeing others. Hey, we

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saw that, that's what you know, That's what it was.

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When we sucked. You know, there was this horizontal suspended

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tree that you know, it was a horizontal tree that

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was weaved between in a tree and it was perfectly

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horizontal and it was like probably what'll you say, for

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twenty feet long, Yeah, just perfectly weave between the branch.

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I go, how does something naturally get that perfectly lead

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between these three and just fall on, you know, in

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there like that, and we can figure it out. You

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got a picture this thing out there.

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So that was a second tree that was off the ground. Yeah,

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all on the same side of the creek.

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So and I saw another one that I saw another

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video since then I saw it that it was a

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bigger tree that was horizontal like that, and I go,

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that almost looks exactly like our tree, just bigger, you know.

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So that was interesting. But as we're walking, we were

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walking out, you know, from there, we noticed you I've

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always been here some tracking and things like that. And

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I read a lot of Tom Brown Junior's books and

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learning tracking and part of the observation of nature was

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looking through things and looking at the open spaces between things,

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and so I try to do that. And I noticed

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this area of wetness about thirty yards off the trail

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as we were heading out, when I told herds, I'm

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always looking for track traps and things like that, and

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I go, hey, there's some wet over there. Let's go

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over there and see what we can see and expecting

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like the tracks of something, you know, a lither deier

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or whatever's in the area doing it. So we go.

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But it's about thirty years there's there's bushes in between us,

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and we have to work our way through it. We

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get over there and there's probably a there's a It

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wasn't like a river or a creek or anything going.

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There's just as wetness of area, probably about forty by

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fifteen feet or something like a pool size area of marsh.

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They have water and we give about you know, probably

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only three or four inches deep in there. And you

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get over there and we you don't have to walk

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through it. I mean you go ten feet to the

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left and we actually walked around it to get the

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other side, or you go ten feet to the other

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side and walk on dry land. We get over there

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and we walk around. We look in there and here

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we find three footprint. There are steps of tracks of

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something walking. There's three of them. There's first one in

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the right at the edge, or the second one like

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about you know, a foot or two later, and then

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the third one it is like it's really literally four

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feet further in steps into right in the middle of

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the marshy area. And then there was not another one leaving.

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It was about four feet out. So whatever had walked

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on there had made you know, two initial steps and

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then a big step and then another step out and

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we were pretty amazed at that. We're going, hey, these

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are actual footprints. We took pictures compared to ours, and

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we were again rookies and didn't gray a measuring tape,

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but we compared our foot size to that, and it

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was about twice a week to you know, Curtis's foot

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and we were both wearing size thirteens, and so there's

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our shoes are about thirteen inches and it's about three

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inches longer. So it was pretty close to about sixteen

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inches you know, long and about six you know, six

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inches wide, so as what we thought. And but the

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interesting thing is it's not we're trying to say, okay,

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did someone come walking through there? And I'm like, why

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would a human being walk through here when you can

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go ten feet to the right, Why would you get

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your boots all due like that? And we're trying to say, well,

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how can you make a step that's four feet and

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you know, the four foot step straight? And I go,

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there's no, there's no slippage. There's no someone's not running,

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because if you run and land step in mud, you're

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gonna there's gonna be some slippage. Of stuff. It was

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just like normal, just steps in there. And the crazy

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thing was about that is we went back because now

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we're really interested and we're you know, say, hey, we

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found something in here, you know. And we went back

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the next day to go look at it again, and

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that third one in the middle of the marsh was

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had disappear then it was gone to the picture. Well,

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that's the interesting So what that tells me was that

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whatever had walked there had there within twenty four hours

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of the time that we've been there. Otherwise that step

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would have been gone so fairly recently done. So that

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was pretty exciting for us.

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Yeah, so something something with sixteen inch feet and you know,

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David and I, like you said, our shoes are thirteen inches,

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took three steps to get across a fifteen foot marsh.

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And like David said, the one that was in the

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water was gone the next day. So we went back

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there the next day to look at that. We found that,

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and we kind of just set and listened for a

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long time just to see what we could hear, and

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we really didn't hear much, but something caught my eye

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just across from the marsh on the other side of

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the trail, probably oh four feet off the trail. Hit

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four feet or five feet off the trail, and it

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was right under the canopy of a big redwood tree,

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and it was it looked like a broken tree, and

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so I started thinking, well, you know, while we're just listening,

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I wondered, is this a tree break that could be

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a sign as to wear it across the trail. You know,

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my mind's kind of thinking all sorts of things. But

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then I was looking at it closer from afar, and

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it didn't widen out at the base like a tree wood.

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So I then remembered some videos where people have shown

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things with sticks or logs or even trees being upturned

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and jammed into the ground. So once we were done listening,

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I decided to walk over to this thing and see

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if it was a tree. And the other thing that

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caught my attention when we'd been just sitting there listening

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was it was under the canopy of a redwood tree,

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and not much grows under the canopy of a redwood

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tree because there's no light, the pine needles, all that stuff.

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And so I walked over to this thing and looked

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at it, and it did look like a big stick

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that had been jammed into the ground. It was probably

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four or five inches in diame ameter and sticking up

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about three or three and a half foot, and the

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part that was sticking out was clearly broken. And so

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I started looking up into the redwood tree, and clearly

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it did not come from the redwood tree, because it

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was not the same type of tree. And then we

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looked at other trees to see if there was a

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branch that had broken or a tree stump that, you know,

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this could be a source of and there was nothing

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around it. So it really looked like something that had

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been jammed into the ground. And so I started wiggling,

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and sure enough I was able to pull it out

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and both ends were sharp, and so something had caused

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this big limb or branch or even tree to break

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in two different places and then jammed one of it

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clear into the ground. And you know, if a human

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had done that, they would have had to have done

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it when it was muddy, or the other way we

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could have done it is to pound on one end

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with a mallet or something. And the end that was

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sticking out of the ground was sharp. Nothing had pounded

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on it. So here right across from where David had

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found these three steps, and then the fourth step would

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have been onto the trail was this log, if you would,

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that had been jammed into the ground. And so that

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was kind of another little crazy finding. That was sort

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of our last day, last full day there. We went

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back to camp. The night was pretty quiet. The next

460
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.839
morning we had to get up and start heading home,

461
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.960
so we both woke up about six am because we

462
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.319
had about a three and a half hour hike out

463
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:37.160
and then had a ten or twelve hour drive to

464
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.119
get back home. And we woke up at six and

465
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.200
I kind of went to our little area we had

466
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.759
set up to cook food in under the canopy of

467
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.880
a different redwood tree, and I wanted to start some coffee,

468
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.680
so I poured some water into a pot, and all

469
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.839
of a sudden, a pine cone lands by one of

470
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.640
my feet. Well, I didn't think much of it because

471
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.400
I'm under a redwood tree. So I filled the water

472
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.640
and put it on the little camp stove and lit

473
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.880
the fire. And as soon as I lit the fire,

474
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.640
another pine cone landed by my other foot, and David

475
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:16.039
is standing probably ten feet away from me, still under

476
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.279
the tree, and we both kind of look up thinking

477
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.640
well that's you know, coincidence. Two pine cones fall and

478
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.400
almost hit me after, you know, within five ten seconds

479
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.000
of each other. Well, we still didn't see anything, you know,

480
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.519
none of the branches were moving, We couldn't see a squirrel,

481
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.640
there was no wind, and so I went over and

482
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.880
set in my little camp chair, which was probably ten

483
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:44.039
feet away from that, just let the water boil. And

484
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.200
as soon as I sat down, two more pine cones

485
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.920
landed by my feet. So, you know, I look up

486
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.359
and David is standing in the same place he had been,

487
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.319
and he looks up and can't really see much, so

488
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.559
he backs out from under the tree just to get

489
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:02.279
a better look.

490
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.000
Well, and then first the first two I didn't think

491
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.000
anything of it, but then when the other two almost

492
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.440
hit him sitting in his chair, I was like, what

493
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.599
the heck's going on? So I backed out about twenty

494
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:16.039
to get out from underneath the canopy. You know, it's

495
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:17.839
trying to look up in the tree and I was

496
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.720
out in open air. There was nothing above me, and

497
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.640
I'm looking up and all of a sudden, the pine

498
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.079
cone lands by my foot, and then another pine cone

499
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.279
lands by my foot, and then another one, and we

500
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.599
had the crazy thing about these where that it was

501
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.279
like this was all within like a minute of time.

502
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.000
It was not like spread out over time with it.

503
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.359
As soon as I started hitting by my foot, both

504
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.559
of us stood up at the same you know, I

505
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.799
was already standing, but we both turned and looked up

506
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.200
a ridge. Our camp was surrounded on two sides by water,

507
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.359
and we there was a trail that came in from

508
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.279
the side that we would walk in and we could

509
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.759
see down there. But both of us stood up and

510
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.240
at the same time turned and looked up this ridge

511
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.119
that was behind our camp, almost like we were feeling

512
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.920
that that's where it was coming from. We couldn't see

513
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.759
anything by coming down there. As soon as we turned

514
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.359
and looked, we had stopped. We didn't get any more

515
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.480
pine cones over there. We started looking at those things,

516
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.079
and about three of them were green pine cones, and

517
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.119
I was like, how the heck does green pine cones

518
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.200
fall out of a tree? I mean, I think someone

519
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.440
had to pull those off, you know, in order for

520
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.680
that to happen, because there was dead silent, there was

521
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.480
no wind or anything. And looking around for squirrels, I

522
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.119
had seen a squirrel about fifty feet down the trail

523
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.559
in the tree, but nothing up in the tree that

524
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.160
was above Curtis from where he was, and so at

525
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.319
that point we were like, Okay, someone is throwing pine

526
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.000
cones at us, and we're trying to figure this out.

527
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.960
What's going on. We're six miles at six thirty in

528
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.799
the morning, and for someone to walk in six miles,

529
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.200
they'd have to get up, but you know, started two,

530
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.240
you know, at two in the morning to get there

531
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.000
to throw pine cones and then leave. But we had

532
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.240
game cameras around the interest to our camp and there's

533
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:15.279
no nothing was on it. So we started were that

534
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.599
was kind of a strange, you know, really strange event

535
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.640
for us and stuff, and we're thinking, who's who's throwing that?

536
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.400
But we pack up. We were leaving that day any length,

537
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.359
and we pack up and we started hacking out. We

538
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.640
don't see anyone until we get about four miles back

539
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.839
towards our truck and we ran into someone. But at

540
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.920
that point, but they were not camping. They were hiking

541
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.720
in at that point and they were scouty to try

542
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.920
to look for a place for the next following weekend

543
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.119
that they were coming up. But uh, there was no

544
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.720
one else around there and so we we really had

545
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:53.319
no answer as something had to be pulling pine green

546
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.599
pine cones off the trees and throwing it at us.

547
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.880
And so this was our California experience in two. We

548
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.359
never saw Bigfoot, we never heard Bigfoot, but we had

549
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:09.200
a lot of strange experiences that you know, as physicians,

550
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.480
like I said, we like David and I every day

551
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.039
what we do is we listen to people, we look

552
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.799
at data, we form a conclusion and form a treatment

553
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.200
plan based on that. We don't have any explanation for

554
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:27.039
most of these things, you know, being from a human source.

555
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:33.960
So although we didn't see Bigfoot or or hear any vocalizations,

556
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.000
and again we made a rookie mistake we didn't take

557
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.200
any recorders this time, so when we were sleep we

558
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:44.519
really don't know what happened. But we were in the

559
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.880
middle of nowhere. When we were in the wilderness, we

560
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.279
were eight miles from the trail head, and like David said,

561
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.920
we had had trail cams up on the trails. No

562
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.240
one else except that one guy had come in during

563
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.559
the whole week and he left the next day. And

564
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.920
then those two people we met hiking out had never

565
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:09.319
even gotten back to where we were so as to

566
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.599
our the best of our knowledge, there were no other

567
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.920
people in the forest for most of that week.

568
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.440
This is some really interesting stuff. I think it might

569
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.400
be good to take a few minutes to chat about

570
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.799
this one, just so that people are able to remember

571
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:30.640
it before we head on to the next one. There's

572
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.279
some questions that I have. So the area where it

573
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:41.519
looked like something was laying down, did you get an idea.

574
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:45.359
For how long that area might have been on the ground.

575
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.960
So David, you know, looked at the scat and he

576
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:55.039
studied tracking. He estimated that the scat was probably one

577
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.319
to two weeks old based on how it looked. It

578
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.160
was drying out, it wasn't where It also wasn't crumbly,

579
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.920
so you know, there was definitely an impression on the

580
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:11.440
ground that something had been there. You know, I guess

581
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.039
by having six or eight piles of scat around, they

582
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.319
had been there for more than one night. Whatever was

583
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:23.240
was living there. So you know, David's estimation on how

584
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.279
old the scat was was probably one to two weeks.

585
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:30.960
So we think that something had been staying there, you know,

586
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:36.000
as no longer than a week or two before, and

587
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.440
definitely there was an indentation there, so I couldn't tell

588
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.720
you how long something had slept there, but with six

589
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.960
or eight piles of scat, if it's coming, it looked

590
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.720
like one thing, one animal was inside that igloo. I

591
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.160
guess there could have been two, but it looked like

592
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.799
one indentation in the ground. So however long it takes

593
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:59.039
something to uh make six or eight piles of scat,

594
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.000
I guess, gotcha.

595
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.799
And maybe to ask a different way as well, would

596
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:10.239
you say that by the size of that indentation, it

597
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.519
looked like there could have been something that was maybe

598
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.320
you know, if it was laying down, maybe like six

599
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.440
feet tall or eight feet tall or anything like that.

600
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.840
From when you looked at it.

601
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.280
Yeah, I would say at least six feet tall and

602
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.280
probably longer.

603
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:26.599
You know.

604
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:29.920
I would say the length of the thing was eight

605
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.639
to ten feet with an opening at the one end,

606
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.239
and the thing took up most of the you know,

607
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:43.239
front to back area, So I would say somewhere between

608
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.599
six and eight feet. Is that what you would say, Davin,

609
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:46.639
give or take?

610
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.840
Yeah, I'm thinking that, you know, in that range, And

611
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.199
definitely it was you know weed, non cut branches. We

612
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:55.119
make the thing.

613
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.559
The other thing. You know, Well, Tuck when we get

614
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:04.920
to Washington can talk about what makes a sixteen inch footprint.

615
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.880
But a sixteen inch footprint in a human would essentially

616
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.559
be about seven feet tall in a human, So that

617
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.880
sort of gives you an idea. David's six' flour and

618
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.199
his foot's eleven and a half into is. Law so

619
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.400
if something had a sixteen inch, footprint it was probably at,

620
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.440
least you, know if you use human, measurements at least

621
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:30.039
seven feet.

622
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:37.079
Tall, Okay, david do you, remember you, know let's, say

623
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.079
talking about the, scat were you able to see anything in,

624
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.800
it like evidence.

625
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.760
Of what it may have, eaten whatever it.

626
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.880
Was that left it. THERE i didn't, see Like i'm

627
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.440
looking for berries and things like. THAT i didn't see

628
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.280
any of, that and everything seemed pretty didn't By. Jeff

629
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:01.079
so they didn't see, hair you, know in, there and

630
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:02.880
it was kind of the bigger THINGS i was looking,

631
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:04.280
for you. Know with, that.

632
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.880
And interesting, ENOUGH i had spoken about Beans baxter the

633
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.239
video he sent. Me they couldn't really tell what that

634
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:20.159
animal had eaten, Either so, yeah we didn't couldn't find

635
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.400
specifically what it had. Eaten BUT i tell you it

636
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.320
was huge it. Was it was if you put all

637
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:29.599
of your fingers together and looked at the, tips that

638
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:34.159
was probably half the diameter of how big this scat.

639
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.039
Was it was probably probably two or three inches in,

640
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.320
diameter and LIKE i, said probably two to three times

641
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.400
as long as what a human would typically.

642
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:50.880
Make AND i don't think that we had talked about.

643
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.119
This was it laid out in a certain like was

644
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.639
it in a straight line or in a pile or

645
00:36:58.239 --> 00:36:58.719
anything like.

646
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.599
That each one was kind of in a, pile almost

647
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.760
like a you, know not to get, gross but like

648
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.119
a soft served ice, cream you, know kind of coiled

649
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.519
a little bit and then then some more. Straight but

650
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.840
but it was kind of in a. Pile and, yeah

651
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.800
and it. Was it was. Weird the person that talked

652
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.639
to us about being a, mark you, know a boundary.

653
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.559
Marker that probably makes more more sense just by how

654
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.559
uniform they were around the. Structure, yeah you, know at

655
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.440
FIRST i thought it was just random that that you,

656
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.480
know whatever had woken up in the middle of the

657
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.519
night and had to, go or in the morning and

658
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.559
had to go just decided to go right or. Left

659
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.800
but someone talked about the boundary marker and that that

660
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:49.159
makes more sense because they were probably, all, OH i don't,

661
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.840
know thirty or forty feet, apart so you, know if

662
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.039
you just took from the center of the igloo and

663
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.039
drew a, circle they were all sort of right on

664
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.679
that forty or so boundary of that.

665
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:06.599
Circle, mhm that's that's that's extremely.

666
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:11.800
Interesting it sounded like there were OR i Guess i'll

667
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.679
ask it this, way what was this sound.

668
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.960
Like in the area of that you, know that, uh.

669
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.039
That, structure and where the regular sounds of the forest

670
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.719
or what did you guys experience in that?

671
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:34.119
WAY i didn't hear much of anything in that. Area

672
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.280
it didn't seem many different than the other places that

673
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.280
we were walking, though as far as you, KNOW i

674
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.119
don't recall, saying, Hey i'm not hearing any birds or you,

675
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.679
know or anything like. That so it didn't seem that

676
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.199
that structure area didn't seem anything different than some of

677
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.199
the other areas that we were.

678
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.480
Walking to, me that next, day AS i, said we

679
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.760
kind of went out there and. Listened david actually had

680
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.760
some sound amplification headphones and we both had them on

681
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.679
and we were. Listening you could hear for us sounds

682
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.360
we couldn't really tell the direction because with those sound amplification,

683
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.800
headphones they just amplify the. Sound it's not like you're

684
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.880
regular here where you know this is off to.

685
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.320
Your right or.

686
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.840
Left but we did hear some things moving in the,

687
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.639
forest we just couldn't tell how, close or bipedal or a,

688
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:33.519
Deer so there was some movement. Around but Like david,

689
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.639
SAID i DON'T i agree with. Him when we were

690
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.440
around that, STRUCTURE i don't remember hearing birds or anything.

691
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:48.079
Different you, know let's say an individual has a way

692
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.719
of leaving a trackway or set of. Tracks you, know

693
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:56.159
humans leave their tracks a certain, way or bunny rabbit

694
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.760
leaves tracks a certain. Way was there anything that you

695
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.519
know just about when you you found these tracks where

696
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:03.840
they laid out in a certain.

697
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:08.280
Way they were there was in a straight it was

698
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.360
in a, line but they weren't the First the first,

699
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.679
Track i'd, say was you, know so where you put

700
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.519
that first footprint. Down the next one was slightly to

701
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.119
the to the right of, it and then the next

702
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.239
one was in. Line you, know IF i was a

703
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.199
jewer line between the all the, tracks it was definitely

704
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.039
heading across just directly across this march area in a

705
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.800
in a straight, line but they were not like you,

706
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.960
know where one putting a flipprint right in front of

707
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.800
the other or. Not it was SLIGHTLY i would like

708
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.239
you can look at the. Figure probably, no you say

709
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.159
a foot to the, right you, know the right foot

710
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.159
was foot to the right or the left flip on that,

711
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.800
one and then the next one was straight in line

712
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.960
with the left. Flip, yeah and they it looked by.

713
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:03.800
Pedal it looked Like david, said left, right. Left it

714
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.599
did not look like a double step of a four

715
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.599
legged animal like a. BEAR i, mean bear would probably

716
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.800
be the only other, alternative but then, again and not

717
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.840
a lot of bears have a four foot step length.

718
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:25.119
Either and it didn't look like if this was going

719
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:26.880
to be a, bear it would have had to have

720
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:35.159
double stepped perfectly three different. Times it really looked the

721
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.199
shape of a human. Foot in other, words the heel

722
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.280
was not quite as wide as the, forefoot and it

723
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.519
definitely looked to us at least as being.

724
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:49.239
Bipedal, gotcha what was the month, again you guys were

725
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:49.880
up there In.

726
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:51.519
California it was the last week Of.

727
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:56.119
August, okay so that takes the Whole it was not

728
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:57.360
a bear just coming out of.

729
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.239
Hibernation that was leaving those scat piles In.

730
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.239
August, no and we were trying to and you know

731
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.239
when we decided when the g, OH i was, LIKE

732
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.719
i want to go before honey season. Starts so that's

733
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.400
why we normally chose that.

734
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:19.519
Time gotcha last question about The california. Trip was there

735
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:25.239
at any point where you felt any anything out of

736
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.280
the ordinary, physically anything affected you in any way when

737
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:30.719
you were in that.

738
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.039
Area, NO i. DIDN'T i never felt anything like, that

739
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.039
AND i never smelled anything like the bad odors or

740
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:39.559
anything like.

741
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.280
That AND i would say the, SAME i didn't really feel.

742
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.920
Anything you, know people have asked, us you know when

743
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:50.960
the pine cones were, coming did we have a weird

744
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:57.119
feeling And David david's description of us both turning and looking.

745
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:01.639
UP i think we quickly process to gain the information

746
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.320
to decide that the only place that could have been

747
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.719
coming from was the. Ridge it wasn't like we felt

748
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:11.920
an uneasy feeling that something was on the ridge behind

749
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.920
us looking at. Us we just quickly processed we were

750
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.800
surrounded on a couple sides by a. Creek the trail

751
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.239
was on the other. Side there was the only place

752
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.480
those pine cones could have come from if they didn't

753
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.119
fall out of the tree above, us and you, know

754
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.679
clearly With david twenty feet, away they couldn't have fallen

755
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.599
out of a. Tree we just quickly felt that after

756
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.199
processing that, information that that's where they had to come.

757
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:41.519
From and you, know coincidence or. Not as soon as

758
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.599
we both looked up the, ridge and this was a,

759
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.920
ridge it was probably forty feet tall right behind our.

760
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:50.480
Camp as soon as we looked, up the pine cones.

761
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.960
Stopped so that was either coincidence or or something didn't

762
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.199
want us seeing them throw pine cones at.

763
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:05.280
Us that's one of those that whole. EXPERIENCE i, Think

764
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.000
i'm trying to put myself in your guys' shoes and

765
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.079
it would be just enough THAT i would be, like,

766
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.760
yeah gotta go out, again which you guys did go

767
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.199
out again, eventually but like that's just weird, enough you, know,

768
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:19.639
yeah pretty, awesome.

769
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.679
You, know and we get we get kidded by our,

770
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.199
family you, know we didn't See bigfoot and all this other,

771
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.920
stuff and they're, right we. Didn't BUT i don't know

772
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:33.079
how to explain a lot of what went, on you,

773
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:36.960
Know and like you, said after that but going up,

774
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:41.440
there LIKE i, SAID i my background with bigfoot was finding.

775
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:48.119
Bigfoot and you, know other than exposing bigfoot theory too many,

776
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:52.199
people not a lot of people have good things to

777
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.239
say about finding. Bigfoot SO i was a, skeptic and

778
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.360
after this now was at least open to the eydea That,

779
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:04.320
bigfoot if not being a, possibility was a.

780
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:09.360
Probability, Yeah AND i was higher Than curtis to. START

781
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.360
i was in the probability phase with, that and THEN

782
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:14.320
i think both of us when we got out of,

783
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:19.480
there were, saying, hey this is definitely definitely probable if

784
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.639
but you, know you're sure something's going on there with that,

785
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:27.159
Gotcha so it.

786
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.960
Moved it moved the needle a little bit before you,

787
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.639
guys you made it probably a.

788
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.639
Lot and we talked about it continually for the next two,

789
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.760
years and in twenty twenty three we actually went looking

790
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.400
for gold In, idaho and and if it wasn't for,

791
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.320
that we probably would have gone bigfooting in twenty twenty.

792
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.880
Three but even there we may have found a. Print

793
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.480
so even though we went looking for, gold we might

794
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.559
have found some evidence of a bigfoot In. Idaho but you,

795
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.639
know we got to About january of twenty twenty four

796
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.480
And david calls me up and, says we need to

797
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.480
go on another. Trip so we kind of had a.

798
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.119
Discussion do we want to go back to the same.

799
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.679
PLACE i, mean that's you, know it was a great

800
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.559
place and there's something to. Habituation you, know maybe maybe

801
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.159
going back we would see, more but we wanted to

802
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.239
kind of go after watching, videos we wanted to kind

803
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.920
of go somewhere. Else so we started, discussing, well maybe

804
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.679
we'll go To, canada you, know with all the findings

805
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.239
they have Around, nordig but you, know it's hard to

806
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.519
get guns up, there and you, know we wanted. Protection

807
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.480
we weren't, hunting but we didn't want to go out

808
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.760
in the wilderness with you, know bear around and no.

809
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.599
Guns so that kind of ruled Out. Canada and then

810
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:50.400
we thought About, alaska but you, know getting To alaska

811
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:52.800
is just so hard to take up half of our

812
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.639
vacation just getting there and half of it getting. Back

813
00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:00.840
so we started looking In oregon And, washington AND i

814
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.159
went to THE bfro Like david had For, california and

815
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.320
found That washington had more Sightings CLASS a And CLASS

816
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.960
b sidings in any other state in the in the

817
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.159
in THE, US i think at the time it had

818
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.559
eight hundred and seventy six or something like. THAT i

819
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:20.000
don't remember the exact, number but there are a lot

820
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:21.719
Of CLASS a And CLASS b side and so we

821
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.840
kind of decided to go To washington because that's you,

822
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.559
know close To canada, obviously and Like david had said About,

823
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.920
california we wanted to just get, away so we went

824
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.519
where the population wasn't. There there are a lot of

825
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:40.159
reports on the western half Of washington because that's also

826
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.960
where the most population, is you Know Mount rainier and

827
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.760
The cascades and you know The olympics and all that.

828
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.559
Stuff but we wanted to get away From, seattle so

829
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.679
we started looking on the eastern side Of, washington AND

830
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.880
i actually found four or five YouTubers who who have

831
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.239
had experiences in an Eastern, washington and THEN i found three

832
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.679
of those specifically had a lot of activity Near Sullivan,

833
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.679
lake which is about as far north and as far

834
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:15.920
east you can go In washington without either going Into

835
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:22.400
canada Or. Idaho and there's this campground on the Along

836
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.760
Sullivan creek which feeds Into Sullivan, lake and it has

837
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:32.119
over about ten miles about eighteen, campsites but they, always you,

838
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.599
know when you look on, reservations they looked pretty, full

839
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.599
and we didn't really want to be around other, people

840
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.639
SO i called the ranger station there and kind of

841
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.079
spoke to one of the rangers and asked him where

842
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:46.679
we could do dispersed camping kind of away from everybody,

843
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:52.400
else but still have water source and even have a

844
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.519
bathroom if we, needed and he suggested a place Called Gypsy,

845
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.719
Meadows so we quickly looked it up on On Google,

846
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.360
map and when you look at the satellite, view it's

847
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:09.639
probably maybe twelve miles up the creek or so From Sulvan,

848
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.960
lake and while there are a few campgrounds maybe a

849
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.920
mile or, so there's not a whole. Lot and in,

850
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.599
fact just across the, creek which sort of goes on

851
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:26.800
the edge Of Gypsy meadows is The Salmo Priest. Wilderness

852
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.400
so while we weren't in the, wilderness we were maybe

853
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.119
one hundred yards from. It and at the end of

854
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.119
The Sulivan creek, road maybe three or four miles up

855
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:45.119
from The Gypsy, meadows the road ended in the, wilderness

856
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.079
and we went hiking up there one day and just

857
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.599
saw how. Remote it was so basically after finding a

858
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.400
bunch of people on, YouTube that's where we decided to.

859
00:49:54.440 --> 00:50:02.280
Go So Gypsy. Meadows so we Go ryan coming Into

860
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.639
Gypsy meadows there and it's LIKE i, said it's about

861
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:09.079
twelve mile dirt road you go up. There we really

862
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.920
got most of the camps were not occupied at the

863
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.280
time we're. Gone we, passed you, know occasional once or.

864
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:18.400
One there was a about a quarter mile just Before Ditchy,

865
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:20.800
meadows we passed one. Trader that guy was there that

866
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:22.800
he was in that trader the whole time that we were.

867
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.840
There and we go into the meadow and it was

868
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.639
empty at that. Point so we went all the way

869
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:32.000
to the end of the meadow as far as you

870
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.800
get from the mid, road set up our camp at

871
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.519
this you, know a pretty nice camp campsite, There and

872
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.960
we got there around three in the, afternoon and, uh you,

873
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.960
know plenty of time to set up. Camp and then

874
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.159
something happened To curtis right. Then that made more sense,

875
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.920
later but we didn't really didn't think much of it right.

876
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.599
Then but, yeah so we were setting up our camp

877
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.159
and and you, know we put up our aning to

878
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.480
for a place to eat and then we both were

879
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.599
setting up our, tents and after we set up our,

880
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.480
TENTS i decided to blow up my air mattress while

881
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:10.800
it was still light SO i didn't have to do

882
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.719
it when we went to. Bed AND i had this

883
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:17.079
little backpacking air pump that probably blow up my mattress

884
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.079
in about a minute or. So the only problem with

885
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.440
it it makes a pretty high pitched wine when you

886
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.480
turn the motor on while it's blowing the. Air and

887
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.639
SO i turned this motor on and all of a,

888
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.079
sudden from across the, creek we estimate maybe a quarter

889
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:40.719
mile away so from the, wilderness we heard this owl start.

890
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.320
Hooting and at first we, thought, well that's a little,

891
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.960
strange you, know because it's during the. Day but the

892
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:52.360
bar owl does has been known to hoot during the,

893
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.719
day so we really didn't think much of. It but

894
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.239
it just it would not stop hooting UNTIL i turned

895
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.840
off my, pump and as soon AS i, did the hooting.

896
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:07.199
Stopped and we only mentioned. This it did catch our,

897
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.559
attention but it seemed like what strangeness that followed was

898
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:18.760
almost always preceded by owl, hoots so we're not saying

899
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.800
that wasn't an owl that was hooting at. Us but

900
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.480
later on in the next few, days owl hooting sort

901
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:27.679
of preceded everything.

902
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:32.480
Else so once you got set, up we'd heard that

903
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.519
that the young you didn't think anything of a day

904
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.000
is by, say it's cool to hear it, now you.

905
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.920
Know but at the end of the meadow there the

906
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.239
trail that goes out toward the north northeast. Area we

907
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.000
decided to go for a. Hike we had a couple

908
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:50.199
hours left to. Sunlight so we go walking out there

909
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.559
and we crossed the creek over and we're start fallowing

910
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.039
game trail and we left the main trail and you,

911
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.920
know to get across this creek and walking along and

912
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:07.039
ACTUALLY i see the, footprint Like i'll, furds hey look at,

913
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.880
this and there're just this one. INDENTATION i, mean it

914
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:14.880
wasn't quite perfectly clear. Anything we could definitely see the

915
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.400
heel and the, wider you, know foot and we measured

916
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.559
it because now we're left rookies and we bring measuring.

917
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:26.559
Tapes but it measured about fourteen and a half inches

918
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:31.760
long with, that AND i, feel, well that's. Cool SO i,

919
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.280
decided you, know we ought to cast this thing because

920
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.559
we never casted anything. Before as we are doing AND i,

921
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.000
said you, know it's not a very you, know great,

922
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.719
print but, hey we need some experience in. Casting so

923
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:48.000
we went back the next day to to cast that

924
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.760
and decided to leave some you know, gifts, apples we

925
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.920
brought peanut butter. Jar we put out you, know four,

926
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.679
there and we put a game camera up on that

927
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:03.079
area and just for. Observation we never did see. Anything

928
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.400
no one ever took any of the, gifts but that

929
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.719
was we did go back and cast that one print

930
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:08.599
at that.

931
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:14.960
Time and while we were, there it was again the

932
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.840
same essentially the same week as in twenty twenty two

933
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.119
is the last week Of. August for whatever, reason there

934
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:27.480
was a burn band so we couldn't have, campfires which

935
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:34.039
was kind of. Disappointing but our second night, there some

936
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.920
other campers had come into the other side of the

937
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.320
meadow and they were probably about one hundred and twenty

938
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.719
yards from, us and they were camped right up against

939
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:48.440
the west side of the meadow and we were sort

940
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:53.239
of on THE i guess you'd call it southeast side

941
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:55.960
of the, meadow and they were about one hundred and

942
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.519
twenty yards from. Us they came in kind of round.

943
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:04.800
Dusk the first rule of bigfooting is when you get

944
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:09.000
there put out. Recorders and of, course even though we weren't,

945
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:12.400
rookies we still made a. Mistake we didn't put out

946
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:16.119
recorders that, night and because there was a burn, band

947
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.239
or about nine thirty or, ten it started getting, cold

948
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.320
and you, know we set around looking with our fleers all,

949
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.960
around and we'd even gone for a night drive to

950
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.440
see if any we could pick anything up On david's

951
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.320
dash cam or on our, flares and we saw deer

952
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.880
and bear and all sorts of. Things but, finally around

953
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.360
nine thirty or, ten we decided to go to, bed

954
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.159
and just as we turned out the, lights that same,

955
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.159
owl or at least from the same, direction kind of

956
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:48.719
gave us a good night. HOOT i didn't think much of. It,

957
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.639
AGAIN i, mean this is kind of neat here in the.

958
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.039
Owl for whatever, reason that NIGHT i just could not

959
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.280
get to. Sleep the first night from, TRAVEL i fell right.

960
00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.400
Asleep but this, night LIKE i, said we went to

961
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.960
bed about. Night i'm, thirty AND i kind of tossed

962
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.079
and turned for a couple of, hours and FINALLY i

963
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:07.119
looked at my watch AND i, said you, know ten to,

964
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.360
twelve AND i still hadn't fallen, asleep SO i kind

965
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.760
of closed my, eyes rolled over and tried to get

966
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.000
to sleep. Again and about ten or fifteen minutes, later

967
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:21.039
so probably just after, midnight that same owl started, hooting

968
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.000
but this time it didn't. Stop it was almost LIKE

969
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:26.800
i had that air pump, on.

970
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:28.519
You.

971
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.159
Know for three or four, minutes it just kept hooting

972
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:35.440
and hooting and. Hooting it would pause after four or

973
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.800
five hoots and listen and then pick it up. Again

974
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.360
and As i'm laying, There i'm kind of getting annoyed

975
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.960
at this owl Because i'm trying to. SLEEP i started

976
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.159
thinking it's getting. Louder is it getting? Closer does does

977
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:55.039
an owl hoot when it? FLIES i don't, know but

978
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.280
it seemed like it was getting, closer and not to

979
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.639
put human characters on an, animal it seemed a little more.

980
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:08.360
Frantic besides being, louder the hoots got, quicker and LIKE i,

981
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.559
said after four or five, hoots it would kind of

982
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.480
stop and, listen and THEN i again had to kind

983
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:19.159
of pause and make SURE i was hearing WHAT i was.

984
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.679
Hearing the, HOOTS i, thought turned into, whoops and it

985
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:27.079
was distinctly, different even though it seemed to be the same.

986
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:31.960
Voice and after four or five. Hoots i'm about ready

987
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.519
to get out out of my sleeping bag and go

988
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.440
wake Up. David all of a sudden there's a. Response

989
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:43.360
off to our north and off to our. East something

990
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.719
answered these hoots and, whoops and they answered him with.

991
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:53.920
Hoots so as soon as the answer came back the,

992
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.480
owl if you, would stopped. Hooting and so, YEAH i

993
00:57:58.519 --> 00:57:59.960
didn't really have a chance to get out a. BIT

994
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.519
i didn't wake Up, david AND i wasn't going to

995
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.559
wake him up for you, know for. Nothing SO i

996
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:09.280
tried to get back to, sleep and about an hour

997
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.360
LATER i was still not, asleep and the exact same pattern.

998
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.719
Happened this owl started hooting, again and then for the second,

999
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:21.679
TIME i started hearing, whoops and this TIME i kind

1000
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.639
of thought to, myself, WELL i GUESS i really did hear.

1001
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.159
Him and again just As i'm not ready to get

1002
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:31.159
out of bed and wake Up, david those two owls

1003
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:33.679
off to the north and off to the east answered.

1004
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.599
It and as soon as they answered, it it was silent.

1005
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:41.480
Again so AGAIN i didn't wake Up. David the next

1006
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.840
THING i, KNOW i had probably i'd most likely fallen

1007
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.880
asleep And david was shaking my tent getting me.

1008
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:53.320
Up, well it's proby. Rum you, know around two, o'clock

1009
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.280
in between one thirty and two, o'clock all of a

1010
00:58:56.280 --> 00:59:02.239
sudden they get woke up by this tremendously cloud you, know.

1011
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.719
Hooting and it was from where my tent. Was these

1012
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:11.639
these two campers there were as a younger younger younger

1013
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.679
boy and older you, know he's, PROBABLY i guess the older,

1014
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.480
guy probably in his late. Twenties from the younger guy

1015
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:20.679
was probably in the. Teenager and they had just coming

1016
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.280
in and parked on the opposite, endo the you, know

1017
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:27.679
the meadow from where we were well closer to the

1018
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.360
entrance on the road, there but they were parked on

1019
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:33.159
the and their tent was like right on the edge

1020
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.360
of the, forest were on that side of the. Netdow

1021
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.519
AND i swear this, thing the noise in the racket

1022
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:45.119
THAT i started hearing this hooting started from the you,

1023
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.000
know If i'm talking about a degree from, me had

1024
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.559
about forty five degrees to my right towards the creek,

1025
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:56.760
area and it. Went it was, loud and it was the,

1026
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.760
whoa whoa whoa, work whoa, whoa whoa. Work it was

1027
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:03.519
mo and it was going. FAST i felt that it

1028
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.079
was going right through those guys, camp and all of

1029
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.559
a sudden in the middle is, Whoa all of a,

1030
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:12.480
SUDDEN i start here in this right Round la Black

1031
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:16.079
Way wa wow up and the cultic thing it sounded

1032
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:19.519
to me if you if you've heard The sierra sounds

1033
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:24.239
in That samurai, gibberish are. Like but these guys were

1034
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:26.159
like they were like angry at each, other and they

1035
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.440
were going all, right, right, right right. Right but it

1036
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.800
was moving as this is going. Wrong and then it

1037
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:34.440
keeps moving probably from that forty five to the directly

1038
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.519
right by those guys. CAMP i, THOUGHT i, said that's

1039
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.159
going right through their. Camp and then it continued on

1040
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:41.360
across the road and up to the main road and

1041
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:47.159
up the. Ridge and it was only about thirty you,

1042
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.679
know probably thirty seconds of time for that time for

1043
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:54.119
that for that motion to happen across. There AND i

1044
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.199
got up and went and Got, Curtisi, hey did you

1045
01:00:57.280 --> 01:00:59.960
Hear that's what the heck was? That and he comes

1046
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.039
climbing out of the tent and we get ever flashots

1047
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.159
out and we looked down the meadow and these other

1048
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.559
guys are climbing out of their tent and what's going?

1049
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:09.559
On we didn't go talk to them that time, night

1050
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.280
but it was definitely a loud screaming and the only

1051
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.480
THING i could picture that rot noise was compared to

1052
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.320
The sierra sounds with. It And curtis hadn't heard, it BUT,

1053
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.599
i you, KNOW i tried to explain it to, him

1054
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:29.400
and he got up the next morning and actually went

1055
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.880
and talked to the one of those.

1056
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.639
Guys, Yeah and so just to put this in, perspective

1057
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:40.639
the creek is the border of the, wilderness and likely

1058
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:46.800
What david's describing is whatever pack was moving came from

1059
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:51.119
the wilderness across the creek well behind these guys, camp

1060
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.920
through the, woods across the, road into the, meadow across

1061
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.719
another little small, meadow up a ridge that was a

1062
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:04.159
center forest about one hundred more, yards and across the

1063
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:08.480
main road and back into another. Wilderness so it probably,

1064
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:13.840
traveled you, know one hundred and fifty yards at least in,

1065
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:20.400
seconds and it was all essentially cross. Country and this

1066
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:24.000
WAS i looked it up. Later of, course there was

1067
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:25.840
a burn, band so nobody had a, fire there was

1068
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.760
no light from the, fire and it was also a

1069
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.719
waning moon that was less than a quarter of a,

1070
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:35.800
moon so there was no, moonlight so whatever traveled this

1071
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:39.599
one hundred and fifty or so yards across the creek

1072
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:44.639
from the wilderness did so essentially in pitch. Black But david's.

1073
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:47.679
Right the next, morning you, know we all crawled back into,

1074
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.519
bed maybe by two thirty or, so we'd all been

1075
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.599
looking around for ten or fifteen. MINUTES i didn't sleep

1076
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:58.320
very well after. THAT i just kept waking up THINKING

1077
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.559
i heard something and didn't really or. Anything but pretty

1078
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.559
SOON i see light coming into my tent AND i,

1079
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.119
Say i'm not, Sleeping i'm just getting, up AND i

1080
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:12.199
decided to walk down to the. Bathroom so it's, probably

1081
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.360
oh maybe an eighth of a mile away from our.

1082
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.000
Camp and WHEN i get down, THERE i see someone

1083
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:19.719
who's in the, bathroom AND i didn't know who it,

1084
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.679
was SO i kind of waited about fifty feet. AWAY

1085
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:24.840
i didn't want to bother them while they were going

1086
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:27.559
to the, bathroom AND i when the door, OPENED i

1087
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.920
realized it was the older of the two gentlemen that

1088
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:35.800
had pulled into camp that, evening and SO i kind

1089
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:37.679
of wanted to get a sense of what he had,

1090
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:41.159
heard because clearly they heard. Something they were out at

1091
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.599
two o'clock in the, morning look in the flashlights all

1092
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.360
through the meadow and through the forest to, see you,

1093
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:48.960
know if they could find. Anything BUT i didn't want

1094
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.599
to influence what he. Said SO i, said, boy that

1095
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.719
was a crazy, night wasn't. It and he, said, yeah it.

1096
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:58.039
Was what do you think that? Was AND i, SAID

1097
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:00.320
i don't, know you, KNOW i JUST i kind of

1098
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:03.320
wanted to get his. Opinion and he, said there was

1099
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.400
a pack of, them and whatever they, were they were

1100
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.960
barking while they were, running and one of them was

1101
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:11.840
up in the, tree or might have been up in

1102
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:15.159
the tree right above my. Tent and then they ran

1103
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.880
and you, know behind your camp and up the ridge

1104
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:22.719
and crossed the road and then it became. Silent SO

1105
01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:25.360
i said to, him so you think they were dogs

1106
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.559
because you said they were, Barking and he, said, well not.

1107
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:32.079
Really that's the only DESCRIPTION i could think. Of you,

1108
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.000
know it just sounded like a dog, barking a bunch

1109
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.199
of dogs barking at each. Other AND i, said, well

1110
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.519
can you imitate? It and so he kind of thought

1111
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:46.280
for a, second and he imitated the samurai sounds to,

1112
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:49.480
me and so THEN i said to, him, well have

1113
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:52.000
you ever heard of The sierra, sounds and he said,

1114
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:55.480
No AND i, said what do you think of? Bigfoot

1115
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.880
and he kind of had a nervous. Chuckle didn't e

1116
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.639
been saying anything, else and kind of turned and walked.

1117
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:08.880
Away and, incidentally they left right after. BREAKFAST i don't

1118
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:10.960
know if that was their. Plan it might have, been

1119
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:13.719
OR i don't know if they were influenced by what they,

1120
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.639
heard but after breakfast they were. Gone but now it's

1121
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.360
like six fifteen in the. MORNING i went to the.

1122
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:23.159
BATHROOM i Figured david was still, asleep because WHEN i

1123
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.440
left the camp he was. Asleep Both david and this

1124
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:31.079
guy said it had crossed the main road sort of

1125
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:33.440
one hundred yards or so behind our. Camp SO i

1126
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.840
DECIDED i was in my camp, shoes which were basically like.

1127
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.079
CROCS i wasn't gonna be able to do any cross country,

1128
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.800
stuff BUT i FIGURED i could walk up the dirt

1129
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.079
road at. Least AND i walked up about one hundred

1130
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.719
and fifty, yards AND i noticed up this ridge all

1131
01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.920
the grass had been churned up by. SOMETHING i couldn't

1132
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:59.000
really see any big, footprints but something definitely had churned

1133
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:02.480
up the grass going up this. Ridge and THEN i

1134
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:06.239
looked to my right and about ten feet away there

1135
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:08.199
was a tree break about nine feet.

1136
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:14.719
Up Both david and this Young this young man said

1137
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.719
that they had crossed the, road SO i figured it

1138
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:18.320
had to come out on the other sides.

1139
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:22.599
Somewhere SO i walked across the road towards our, camp

1140
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:25.039
and our camp was still at least one hundred yards,

1141
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:28.119
away And i'm looking into the. FOREST i can't really see,

1142
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.800
anything because you, know that's saying you can't see the

1143
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.440
forest because the trees ALL i see are a bunch of.

1144
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:38.800
Trees BUT i eventually found a trail coming out of

1145
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:41.599
the forest up the embankment to the, road AND i

1146
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.960
marked the trail and THEN i decided to walk back to.

1147
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:49.039
Camp and WHEN i got back just into the, Meadow

1148
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.960
david was awake and he was kind of looking around

1149
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.039
to see if he could track anything from the other

1150
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:57.679
side from our from our camp.

1151
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:02.119
Side so, YEAH i got up And burgers wasn't, around

1152
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:03.960
SO i, started you, know walking, out GO i want

1153
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:07.239
to walk down to that those guys area and see

1154
01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:09.480
IF i could see any find any tracks of cramps

1155
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:13.199
or things like. That and there's a small meadow across

1156
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.519
from where their camp. Was it goes into the forest

1157
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:18.480
towards the, road AND i was in there looking AND

1158
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:23.840
i could, see you, know some, imprints nothing, specific you,

1159
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.280
know nothing like, a, hey this is a great footprint

1160
01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:29.079
anything like, that but it's definitely a game. Trail so

1161
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:33.639
When curtis got, back we got got our gearst you,

1162
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.360
know got our stuff, together and decided to go follow

1163
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:40.960
this game. Trail we're falling Fro he goes across you,

1164
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.440
know small you, know hills and, bays and we start

1165
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:48.199
following it up and we end up coming up on

1166
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:53.960
this or little ridge and we see this perfect x

1167
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.599
of you, know two trees making AN, x and they're

1168
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:01.440
just sitting right and front of, us and the trees

1169
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:07.280
ARE i, mean it's probably about twenty feet, tall, yeah

1170
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:08.400
and probably.

1171
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.800
Ten inches in diameter at the bottom or.

1172
01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:12.840
Though, yeah but it's a perfect. Axe and we go

1173
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:18.880
we started looking examining these these trees and they the

1174
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.560
one if we're standing looking back towards a. Meadow the

1175
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.439
one on the right was bent down and it was

1176
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.399
put in between two different trees that were close, together

1177
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.000
and it kind of its folding and it went on.

1178
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.319
Up we could see where it. Was it had broken

1179
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.159
at the rip, base but it was sitting right, there

1180
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:37.800
but it had been pushed AND i don't know how

1181
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:41.840
it would be fall so perfectly to go in between these.

1182
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.279
Things there was no branches, on you, know on the

1183
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.000
tree that was cleaned. Off then we looked at the

1184
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:53.079
other crossbar and on the other, side and this one

1185
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:55.319
was actually we got pictures of. It it was actually

1186
01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.920
was not broken at the, base but it was twisted

1187
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.920
and you could see the bark was rotated or twisted

1188
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:06.760
in order for it to fit over this other one

1189
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:09.199
and then to fit in between the other two trees

1190
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.760
that it went. Through AND i was, like how does that? Happen,

1191
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.640
yeah how do you twist a tree to fit? It

1192
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.520
you know? Naturally just in the, like no way that's

1193
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.600
going to happen. Naturally and then so we're done looking at,

1194
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.319
that and we're this is a you, know we've seen

1195
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.840
other YouTube things on people their exes and things like,

1196
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.800
that and they, go this has got to be this

1197
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:34.199
is not natural and natural X and we got pictures

1198
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.760
of all, that and then videos is showing the twisting

1199
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:39.640
of that that one. Tree how does this not? Break

1200
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:41.239
because it had to be a great tree for it

1201
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:45.119
to do. That so then we keep following the game

1202
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:50.439
trail and either not quincidently or, quiztling we end up

1203
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:54.279
walking out on the road right By curtis's mark that

1204
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:57.600
he had marked on the, Road and so it was

1205
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:01.399
like we had actually followed the track or the trails

1206
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:03.960
up into that. Area you never saw any like real

1207
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.159
good footprints that we. Could there was definitely disturbances in the,

1208
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.880
dirt but nothing we could you, know look and, say,

1209
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.119
hey there's a big footprint or anything like that at that.

1210
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.880
Point and then we also look later sort of behind

1211
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:21.640
that guy's camp when WHEN i talked to the, guy you,

1212
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:24.199
Know david had originally thought that it had run right

1213
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:26.439
through their, camp BUT i had talked to him and

1214
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.000
he had, said, no it ran through the woods right

1215
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:34.079
behind their. Camp the whole, pack and he said there

1216
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:36.960
was more than one of, Them AND i Think david

1217
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:41.760
believes he heard three different, voices so we believe there

1218
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.880
are at least three of. Them but we found two

1219
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.720
game trails that went right behind their camp and went

1220
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.119
and ended basically at the. Creek so something LIKE i,

1221
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.720
said came from the, wilderness crossed the, creek ran behind

1222
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.760
these guys, camp and you, know whether one was in

1223
01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.640
a tree above his tent or, NOT i don't, know

1224
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.520
but that's what he. Said you. KNOW i guess the other,

1225
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.840
alternative if if something is very, tall it might sound

1226
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:09.119
like it's in a tree above your. Tent but they.

1227
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.960
Were their tent was right on the edge of the.

1228
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:15.239
Forest SO i suppose it is possible that there was

1229
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:21.279
one of these animals in the tree above. It but

1230
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.840
that that day not much. Happened we went for some.

1231
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:27.680
Hikes finally the third night we get smart enough to

1232
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:31.840
put out. Recorders, uh we didn't record any of that

1233
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:35.479
stuff from the night, before but LIKE i, said most

1234
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:38.720
nights we went on on a little. Drive and before

1235
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:41.119
we went on this drive this, NIGHT i went and

1236
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:47.479
put a recorder out on The Gypsy meadows entrance sign

1237
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.319
and was essentially right in line with where these things

1238
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.600
had had. Passed AND i turned on the, recorder and

1239
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.680
then we went for a. Drive Now i've gone back

1240
01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.880
and listened to all, that and while we were, gone

1241
01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:05.520
you could hear some twigs breaking in the forest and

1242
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:09.039
something walking on the. Gravel now that doesn't mean it

1243
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.039
couldn't have been the guy who, was you, know in

1244
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.079
the trailer a quarter mile from, us But i've gone

1245
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.600
back and listened to, it and at least for that

1246
01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:20.920
hour or so while we were, driving we heard something

1247
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:26.960
walking around the, recorder and then about an hour after,

1248
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:33.079
THAT i heard four rock. Clacks it was two, clacks

1249
01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:36.520
stopped for about two, seconds and then two more, clacks

1250
01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:40.760
AND i, thought, well that's kind of, strange and THEN

1251
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:44.640
i kept. Listening in about ten seconds after those rock,

1252
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:50.439
clacks you Hear david's truck driving into the, meadows, so you,

1253
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:54.680
know again putting human characteristics on an. Animal did it

1254
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.680
see our headlights coming from you, know a half mile,

1255
01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.600
away did it hear our? Engine did it then clack

1256
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:05.079
to give a. WARNING i don't, know but it was

1257
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:11.359
either very much coincidental or it really did. Happen so

1258
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.520
we got back from our drive and again we can't

1259
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:17.359
have a, fire so we went to bed pretty, early

1260
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:24.079
and about eleven thirty AGAIN i hear that same owl

1261
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:28.520
hooting across the creek, again and this time it stopped

1262
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:33.000
after ten or twelve. Hoots and then about five minutes after,

1263
01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:36.680
THAT i heard a couple of footsteps on the ridge

1264
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:41.560
up above. Us now the twig breaking and footsteps up

1265
01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:46.239
above my tent were PROBABLY i don't, know seventy five

1266
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:50.000
feet away or, so and it was going pretty. Slowly

1267
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.600
in other, WORDS i wouldn't hear constant, walking SO i

1268
01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.960
couldn't tell if it was bipedal or a. Bear but

1269
01:13:57.119 --> 01:14:02.640
maybe ten minutes after, that something was right Outside david's.

1270
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:09.479
Tent So i'm we had just started setting up our

1271
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:12.319
recorders AND i put, up you, know a recorder out

1272
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:16.960
telling on a. Pole they BUT i put my phone

1273
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:19.680
AND i, SAID i want to start recording things IF i.

1274
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.039
Can so my phone was ready to start recording and

1275
01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:27.880
things inside my, tent and all of a, SUDDEN i

1276
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:33.439
you're woken up by this hooting right there's literally ten

1277
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.960
feet away from, It like there's a pole over there

1278
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:38.920
in the in the. MEADOW i was behind this you

1279
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.239
know bush of the, trees you know where my where

1280
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.720
my tent, was but it was only ten feet away

1281
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.520
from this pulse and it was right by that. Pole

1282
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.079
it was like standing and it was, loud and it

1283
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.680
was like, whoa, whoa. Whoa you, know it sounded like

1284
01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:55.399
a bart owt. O but then it goes, off you,

1285
01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.439
know into like the curse of. It you, know it's

1286
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.319
a little, different BUT i was, like what DO i do?

1287
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:05.119
Now SO i started recording And i'm, like DO i get? Out?

1288
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.119
Now do WHAT i? DO i turn on my? Light,

1289
01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:08.720
WELL i want to scare this thing. OFF i don't

1290
01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:10.920
know what it. IS i you, know from by this

1291
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.119
time with all the duty and things in especially What

1292
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:16.279
i've heard the night before with Those sierra, sounds AND

1293
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.920
i was, like, oh what DO i do? Here so

1294
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:23.720
then it started move it it moved across and was further.

1295
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.119
Away it was like across the meadow and was doing

1296
01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:30.000
the same. Thing AND i didn't hear any like walking

1297
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.439
or anything like. That BUT i didn't hear any you,

1298
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:36.800
know we had, heard, uh we'd heard an owl start flying,

1299
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:41.760
before but it had we'd heard the wing flaps at that,

1300
01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.920
time but NOT i didn't hear anything like that on this.

1301
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:48.039
Time but it was loud and it kept, going and

1302
01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:52.359
then we started hearing some responses farther away with, that

1303
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:56.079
and SO i was, like this thing is right outside my,

1304
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:00.600
tent whatever it, is and if this is a a book,

1305
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.039
FLIP i don't know IF i should start getting out

1306
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.439
of leaked tent or. WHATEVER i, MEAN i was armed

1307
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:07.600
and things like, that but it's like what do you

1308
01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:11.720
do in that? Situation and it, was Like david, said

1309
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:12.439
it was extremely.

1310
01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:16.520
Loud you, know people talk about they feel a percussion

1311
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.119
in their chest or. SOMETHING i don't know IF i felt,

1312
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:22.239
that but this thing was one of the loudest Things

1313
01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:25.359
i've ever, heard and it sounded like it was on the. Ground,

1314
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:28.479
AGAIN i guess it doesn't mean it couldn't have been an,

1315
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:32.720
owl but it. Didn't it sounded like something imitating an.

1316
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:38.239
Owl and this my recorder was about one hundred yards,

1317
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:44.039
away And i've listened to, it and on my recorder

1318
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.520
it is extremely loud from one hundred yards. Away it

1319
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:53.399
was just crazy how loud it. Is And david's looked

1320
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:55.640
at it on a spectrum. Analysis he'll talk about that

1321
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:58.760
in a. Second but you, know we get out and

1322
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.520
look around, again we don't find. Anything we kind of

1323
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:05.239
go back to. Bed But i've since listened to that

1324
01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:11.880
night on all my, recordings and during the, night once

1325
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:16.720
we were eventually, asleep after probably one or two, am

1326
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:22.720
there were two distant, howls like The ohio, howls separated

1327
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.159
by probably fifteen, minutes so there's one howl and then.

1328
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:31.359
Another we heard four or five different whistles on my

1329
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:35.920
tape for that, night and then there was also a metal,

1330
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:40.520
banging almost like something hitting sheet. Metal And i've done

1331
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:43.039
a little bit of research on YouTube AND i found

1332
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:45.760
a couple of other people who were in this same

1333
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.800
campground who have heard, that AND i, was you, know

1334
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.239
they were trying to figure out what it. Was and

1335
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:54.199
literally just the other DAY i started, THINKING i wonder

1336
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.840
if it's a road sign or something that something is,

1337
01:17:56.920 --> 01:17:59.680
hitting because you, know there are signs on the main

1338
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:04.600
road d you, know saying turn here for gypsy, meadows

1339
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:08.479
or there's a sharp corner or speed limit or. Whatever

1340
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:13.079
but something there's a metallic bang THAT i hear at

1341
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:18.279
like three in the morning on my recorder and, anyway

1342
01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:21.039
we didn't hear any of that because we were. Asleep

1343
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:25.920
But david has done a spectrum analysis on that guy

1344
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.399
that whatever it, was it was you, know on the.

1345
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:30.680
Ground it wasn't in the, air or wasn't in a.

1346
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:35.119
Tree something was on the ground low making these. Noises

1347
01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:38.039
and he's done a spectrum analysis and compared it to

1348
01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:38.880
Bart owls.

1349
01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:42.920
Bug you, KNOW i, had you, know took it from

1350
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.640
my iPhone recorder and put it on the you, Know

1351
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.039
audacity and put on the spectro analysis AND i downloaded

1352
01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:53.720
different he or four different barred owl sounds you, know

1353
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:57.239
from The, internet and try to compare that to what it,

1354
01:18:57.319 --> 01:19:01.680
was and they were. Different they, didn't you, know really.

1355
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:05.640
Anything neil liked, it SO i. Didn't you, Know i'm

1356
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:10.199
not a another sound expert or or anything like, that

1357
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:15.319
but WHEN i was trying to compare it to known

1358
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:18.800
bard owl, sounds it was, different you, know for me

1359
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:22.159
where it, was BUT i don't know what could be

1360
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:25.840
something that loud it. Was it was very loud and really.

1361
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:31.039
Close aaron d didn't want to get out of the

1362
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:35.960
tent at That and since Then i've sent a message

1363
01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:40.600
to is It is It Chris spencer from The Olympic.

1364
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.000
PROJECT i could be getting the name, Wrong.

1365
01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:46.680
Yeah, yeah Probably Chris, Spencer David, Ellis, yeah it Was Chris.

1366
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:50.279
SPENCER i DIDN'T i didn't send him the the, recording

1367
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:54.880
BUT i did ask him if if he's if he

1368
01:19:54.920 --> 01:20:00.079
has any experience or anything of them mimicking, owls and

1369
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.720
and he replied to me he's heard them mimic just about,

1370
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:08.479
everything but he's never heard of them mimicking. Owls and

1371
01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:14.159
SO i didn't send it to. Him But i've since

1372
01:20:14.359 --> 01:20:17.880
on YouTube heard two or three other people talk about

1373
01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:21.479
something that didn't quite sound like an, owl and they're

1374
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:25.640
associating it with bigfoot. Activity, so you, know thinking about,

1375
01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:28.600
that AS i Said, david AND i like to analyze

1376
01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.920
everything sometimes maybe way too. MUCH i, MEAN i think

1377
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.640
there are, basically you, know three. Options maybe maybe it

1378
01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:38.319
was all owls and maybe we're. WRONG i mean that's option.

1379
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:44.720
One option two is is you, know at some point

1380
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:49.720
a bigfoot was mimicking an. Owl the third option Because

1381
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:54.479
david heard. WHOOPS i heard whoops two different. NIGHTS i heard.

1382
01:20:54.479 --> 01:21:01.439
Whoops the third option, is you, know Maybe bigfoot is

1383
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:07.800
using those owl hoots to try to mask their their.

1384
01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.960
Whoops but you, know even if if we're completely, wrong

1385
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.039
then we're. Wrong and you, know if option one is

1386
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.399
true that there was all owls and then we're. Wrong

1387
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:21.640
BUT I i can't imagine, everything especially the you, know

1388
01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:24.640
that doesn't explain that The sierra sounds That david. Found

1389
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:27.840
but if either they were mimicking owls or they used

1390
01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:32.039
owls to mask their own, woops that still shows you,

1391
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:36.960
know pretty good intelligence to be able to do. That but,

1392
01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:39.359
anyway the next morning we got up and we both

1393
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:42.239
walked down to the bathroom and there was this little

1394
01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:47.039
road going Into gypsy. Meadows it's PROBABLY i don't, Know

1395
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:49.359
i'll just, Say, david ten feet, wide eight feet, wide

1396
01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:52.039
something like. That it's, not it's. Not it's not a

1397
01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:56.319
two lane. Road it's a one lane. Road, basically, yeah

1398
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:02.319
tenz wide or. Something but, anyway we're walking down and

1399
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:07.439
we looked down and in the tracks That david's one

1400
01:22:07.479 --> 01:22:10.600
ton truck had, made all of a, sudden we see

1401
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:16.039
this eighteen by, six so eighteen inches long and six inches,

1402
01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:20.199
wide wet spot that looked like a foot and there

1403
01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:23.720
was only one of. Them so if this was a real,

1404
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:28.640
print and we think it, was you, know it basically

1405
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:31.359
took one step onto the road and was, gone and

1406
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:35.920
it was probably probably a little more than halfway, across

1407
01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:38.359
maybe two thirds away across the. Road and then we

1408
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:42.199
started looking around and the creek was only maybe one

1409
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.359
hundred to one hundred and fifty yards. Away and THEN

1410
01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:49.520
i Think david noticed that right where it had crossed

1411
01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:53.359
the main road there was another tree, break and this

1412
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:59.239
tree break was fairly fresh in that the upper part

1413
01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:02.520
the leave were just starting to turn, yellow but they

1414
01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:08.079
still had green needles on, them and the needles below

1415
01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:13.159
were completely. Green so so we're not saying that the

1416
01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:17.079
tree break occurred at the same time as this, print

1417
01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:21.600
but something left a wet eighteen inch footprint on that.

1418
01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:27.199
Road the break on the green tree at one time

1419
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:30.960
it had been, green and, so like you, said the

1420
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.800
upper the leaves on the above the break were, yellow

1421
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.279
so they had been dying for a little. While but

1422
01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.520
the break was up about nine feet light be. Tall

1423
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.560
and there again we're looking around to see who has that.

1424
01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:44.800
Break is something fall on this or you know, whatever

1425
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:47.399
end there's. Not it's like something that held up there

1426
01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:50.640
and actually had to hold it and break it in

1427
01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:53.880
order for. It and it was pointed towards the road

1428
01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:57.479
again like the other one we had seen back in twenty,

1429
01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:01.800
two going towards the. Trail so that was pretty, strange you,

1430
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.159
know for. That BUT i got a picture of that

1431
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:08.000
wet footprint next to my shoe and it definitely is. Big.

1432
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:13.079
Yeah and that afternoon we found a trail across the.

1433
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:16.920
Road it was it was a regular hiking. Trail we

1434
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:19.640
took it up and probably about a mile and alfter

1435
01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:23.119
two miles up the trail just off the trail there

1436
01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:25.880
was some grass that was maybe two and a half

1437
01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:30.600
three feet, tall And david noticed that there was a

1438
01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:35.319
bedding area for probably three or four. Deer it wasn't

1439
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:37.640
what they weren't. Big i'm not implying, that you, know

1440
01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:40.920
anything bigger than a deer was. There and we, thought,

1441
01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:43.640
oh that's kind of, neat but, well we had missed going.

1442
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:48.319
Out we found on the way back that, afternoon about

1443
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:51.800
fifty feet from those three or four little deer beds

1444
01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:57.560
in this, grass something with two feet had stood in

1445
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.960
the grass about fifty feet away and was had apparently,

1446
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:06.119
been you, know looking at these deer while they were.

1447
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:11.960
Sleeping david actually found both the deer beds and the

1448
01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:14.640
the other, print and both of them were just like

1449
01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:19.520
five feet off the, trail but something had either stood

1450
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:23.199
or perhaps, squatted and you could definitely, see you, know

1451
01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:27.520
about eighteen inch impression in the grass where something had

1452
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.479
stood with one foot you, know maybe six inches away

1453
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.920
from the other foot and it was looking in the

1454
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:37.600
direction of those. Deer so that was kind of crazy.

1455
01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:42.199
Too it was standing right by a tree and just two,

1456
01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:45.479
different two different, footprints you, know just smashing the grass.

1457
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:50.039
Down you can definitely see. That so the next the

1458
01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.319
next thing that happened, was you, know the next, day

1459
01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:57.039
we were just relaxing in midday in our hammocks and

1460
01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.920
by this time we're, Thinking, okay are these Hoots nimi

1461
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:02.520
being or not and so we're starting to wonder what that.

1462
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:07.159
Is so then mid mid after, me we're just resting

1463
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:09.680
in our, hammocks all of a sudden we hear inspired

1464
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:12.479
about thirty feet away up on the ridge behind our.

1465
01:26:12.520 --> 01:26:17.199
Camp we hear this, whoo you, know and we look

1466
01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:19.960
at each other and, go that is. Close so we

1467
01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:24.479
grabbed our gear and grab my, camera grab our, gear you,

1468
01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:27.359
know and started heading up to the ridge behind our,

1469
01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:31.039
camp thinking we're going to see something and find. Something

1470
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:36.159
and it's, close AND i turned my camera. On i'm

1471
01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:39.439
trying To we're not, running we're walking. Slow we're trying

1472
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:42.920
to catch. Something and then follow this and we start

1473
01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:47.399
following this trail and we'd see these big prints in

1474
01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:49.560
the side of this ridge and we have pictures of

1475
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:52.880
these big. Prints they're all about sixteen inches. Long and

1476
01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:57.000
we're following this up this. Ridge when we go and

1477
01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:59.720
as we're going, along all of a, sudden often to

1478
01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.039
the other direction from where we had seen THE x.

1479
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:04.800
Direction across the road on the other side of the,

1480
01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:08.439
road we hear these three distinct, whoops you, know not

1481
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:12.720
not hoots every, day who whoo. Whoops And i'd turn

1482
01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:16.560
A curtis AND i, go we're not we're not. Moving

1483
01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:19.640
we're going where we're going Because i'm not getting distracted

1484
01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:21.840
and called in a different direction because this thing is

1485
01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:24.920
this direction from where we were. Going and he, agreed

1486
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.920
and we you, know we kept, going and not too

1487
01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:31.039
long after, that my battery. Died it was, like what the?

1488
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:32.560
Heck this is a fully charged.

1489
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:36.319
Battery you, know it's going, out you know within you,

1490
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:38.159
know just a few minutes of the time that we're

1491
01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.920
up here, videotaping AND i hadn't grabbed an extra. BATTERY

1492
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:42.279
i didn't think he was going to. Die could have

1493
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:46.720
been fully. Charged but who knows why why that, happens you,

1494
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:51.119
know with. That but on the way, BACK i had

1495
01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:55.880
noticed a wet, area you, know on the way, back

1496
01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.520
SO i kept that in my mind before we are,

1497
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.760
gone AND i don't know if you had anything to

1498
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.479
say on that, perspective we had started walking through some other.

1499
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:09.640
Areas, Yeah so we also founded a teepee structure when

1500
01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:12.399
we were following those hoots up the. Ridge it was

1501
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:16.159
probably five branches that came together at a, point probably

1502
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:19.640
twenty feet. Tall so so here behind our camp there

1503
01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:22.720
was AN x maybe one hundred yards directly by our,

1504
01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:26.920
camp and then off more towards THE i guess it

1505
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:30.560
would be, north maybe one hundred and fifty yards from THAT.

1506
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:33.960
Ax we found a tepee, structure but we didn't really

1507
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:36.399
find much the next, day And david's actually looked at

1508
01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:39.439
his video of that little marsh that he saw and

1509
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:44.279
there was nothing in the. Marsh that. Evening the next

1510
01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:47.039
morning was our last full day. There we both got

1511
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:49.720
up and decided to walk down to the bathroom about seven,

1512
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.720
am And david went into the, bathroom AND i didn't

1513
01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:54.960
want to just stand there while he was going to the,

1514
01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.039
bathroom SO i decided to walk out to the road

1515
01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:01.880
AND i kind of walked past that guy's trailer that

1516
01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:03.680
we talked, about who had been there the whole time

1517
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:07.920
we were, There and WHEN i walked, by he was

1518
01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:11.840
inside his, trailer and in the four or five days

1519
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:13.600
we had been, there we had seen him pretty much

1520
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:16.279
every day and waved at, him said, hi and he

1521
01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:18.479
was walking his dog in the. Meadow he'd say hi to.

1522
01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:20.359
Us we really didn't talk to, him but you, know

1523
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:23.119
we were cordial with, him and he was cordial with.

1524
01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:26.640
Us SO i kind of walked down the main road

1525
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:30.520
and cut back through the. Campground and he was the

1526
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:34.039
only one in this dispersed camp, area and he'd been

1527
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.079
there the whole. Week and WHEN i came back up

1528
01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:41.279
maybe two minutes, later he was outside looking around his

1529
01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:47.079
trailer and instead of saying, hi this, time he, goes

1530
01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:53.760
where's your? Buddy what's he? Wearing you, Know i'm thinking to,

1531
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.000
Myself i'm a. GUY i don't know what my buddy is.

1532
01:29:56.039 --> 01:30:00.039
Going BUT i said. Why he, goes, well was he

1533
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.560
dressed in tan from head to? Toe AND i, said,

1534
01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.159
NO i don't think. So and he's still in the.

1535
01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:10.119
Bathroom what's going? On and he, said, WELL i heard

1536
01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:14.239
you guys walking down to the, bathroom AND i saw

1537
01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:14.920
you walk.

1538
01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:15.119
Up to the.

1539
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.520
Road AND i sat down in my chair and about

1540
01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:22.399
ten seconds after you walked up to the, road my

1541
01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:26.640
dog is at the, door barking and scratching and trying

1542
01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.319
to get. Out and he wouldn't follow any, commands and

1543
01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:34.560
he never does, that and so after about fifteen seconds

1544
01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.840
of him scratching at his, door the guy got up and.

1545
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:40.840
Looked he said he was expecting to see one of

1546
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.600
us in his, camp which we would have never. Done

1547
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:46.600
we're not going to walk into somebody's camp at seven

1548
01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.000
in the. Morning but, anyway that's what he, expected and

1549
01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:52.800
that's why he asked What david was, wearing and he,

1550
01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:56.600
said from the creek to the, road he saw something

1551
01:30:57.359 --> 01:31:03.119
big and. Tan from head To toehoh walk that whole. Distance,

1552
01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:05.800
now the thing you have to realize is this is

1553
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.760
still a forested, area so it's kind of like you

1554
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:11.119
might see it for a second and then not see

1555
01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:13.560
it for three or four, seconds and then see a

1556
01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.159
glimpse of it, again and then you, know not see,

1557
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:18.760
it and then another, glimpse and in ten seconds it

1558
01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:22.079
was across the. Road so he saw something big and.

1559
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:26.960
Tan walk from from the wilderness area across the creek

1560
01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.239
and up to the, road and you, Know david gets

1561
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.920
out of the bathroom and we all look. Around didn't

1562
01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:37.399
really find anything at the, time and so we started

1563
01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:39.880
talking to the guy and he, said you, Know i've

1564
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:41.760
been here the whole, week like you guys, have And

1565
01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:45.600
I've i've heard some really strange. Things i've, heard you,

1566
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:50.600
know sounds at, night and he basically verified the samurai

1567
01:31:50.680 --> 01:31:53.720
chatter from the couple nights. Before he didn't really hear the,

1568
01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:57.039
chatter but whatever had made the noise woke him up

1569
01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:00.720
the same time That david heard the. Chatter he said

1570
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:03.840
he's heard wood, knocks he heard a tree get knocked,

1571
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.640
over and then he looked At david AND i and he,

1572
01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:10.439
SAID i THINK i just Saw. Bigfoot and you, know

1573
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.279
there was no one else in the. Campground david AND

1574
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:17.039
i were the only other. HUMANS i was, down you,

1575
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.720
know down the road maybe one hundred, yards And david

1576
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:22.960
was in the bathroom and something came out of the,

1577
01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:27.920
wilderness locked between his trailer and the bathroom and locked

1578
01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:32.640
up the. Road so that was pretty. Interesting and then

1579
01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:35.880
that late, Afternoon david had an idea thinking back to

1580
01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.520
what we had done In, california and it was sort

1581
01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:42.840
of our last thing In washington that we that we checked.

1582
01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:46.600
Out SO i remember that WHEN i noted that wet

1583
01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:49.680
area up when we were going up with my camera

1584
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.279
on that, ridge AND i Told, CURTISON i don't want

1585
01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:54.760
to leave without going and checking this. Out it's a

1586
01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:58.159
trap track or a track, trap THEN i want to

1587
01:32:58.199 --> 01:32:59.840
go check it, out or Else i'm going to always.

1588
01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:04.000
Want so we went back up there and we're walking

1589
01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:06.239
along and looking and we come around the corner and

1590
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:12.840
here are two footprints in the mud THAT i, go,

1591
01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:16.319
wow look at. That and we go over there and

1592
01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:19.920
we start we measure them and they're sixteen and a

1593
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:23.159
half inches long and the stride was forty eight to

1594
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.920
fifty two, inches you, know for the next, step and they,

1595
01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:29.680
go this is, amazing and they're. Wide we definitely see

1596
01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:32.319
some toes on. There it was in the wet wetness

1597
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:37.159
if it wasn't like deep water or, anything but they

1598
01:33:37.159 --> 01:33:41.000
were definitely, visible and we got pictures of, those and

1599
01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:43.159
we then we look around and we start, saying, okay

1600
01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:46.239
where'd they come? From and we started looking back and

1601
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:50.279
where it got actually more more, wet and there was

1602
01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:54.760
actually water in this kind of creek deep type marsh.

1603
01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:58.920
Area we could see all the water was covered with

1604
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.880
the pine beetles they had fallen on the water and

1605
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.680
it was just still water and you could see these

1606
01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:10.239
areas of steps where there was no pine. Needles and

1607
01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:12.159
we followed it back and they were all about the

1608
01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:15.840
same you, know distance of, stride and we kept falling

1609
01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:17.760
it back and you lean about one hundred yards further

1610
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:22.520
in that, direction and we found a by a, tree

1611
01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:26.479
kind of on the uphills. Slant we found this, again

1612
01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:28.680
a sixteen and a half inch footprint with toes and.

1613
01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:30.560
Stuff we couldn't it was on a, hill so we

1614
01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:34.079
didn't weren't able to cast, that and we weren't able

1615
01:34:34.119 --> 01:34:35.840
to cast the ones in the mud because it was

1616
01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:39.479
how wet it. Was but we took, pictures measured, it

1617
01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:43.199
and stopped the interesting, later like herdis, SAID i went

1618
01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:47.239
back to my video recorder and we had walked by

1619
01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:51.600
that area the day before WHEN i was chasing that,

1620
01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:55.960
food AND i DIDN'T i couldn't see those footprints in

1621
01:34:56.039 --> 01:35:01.039
that same you know swap the day. Before so in

1622
01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:04.840
retrospect that it was interesting that we were showing that

1623
01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:07.880
something had walked up that, night you, know through that wet.

1624
01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:13.840
Area and we talked earlier what makes the sixteen and

1625
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:17.159
a half inch. FOOT i was a math major in,

1626
01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:21.840
college so numbers just intrigued. Me and a sixteen and

1627
01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:24.640
a half inch, foot which is What david found in a,

1628
01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:31.199
human equates essentially to a seven foot tall. Person shaquille

1629
01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:33.560
O'Neill's foot is sixteen and a half inches and he

1630
01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:37.520
wears a size twenty two. Shoe and to put that in,

1631
01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:41.119
perspective you know how many people are seven feet, tall

1632
01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:45.600
and it's basically one person per quarter million, people so

1633
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:50.079
it's pretty. Rare and THEN i knew that in, orthopedics

1634
01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:54.279
which is my, specialty we have gaate analysis, studies and

1635
01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:59.319
SO i went to the formula used to kind of

1636
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:05.760
match step length to, height And david had measured forty

1637
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:09.920
eight to fifty two inches between these four steps through that,

1638
01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:13.960
marsh and just using the lowest, number if you equate

1639
01:36:14.039 --> 01:36:18.600
that to a human human stride is usually about thirty

1640
01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:21.520
three thirty four. Inches for a six foot tall person

1641
01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:25.319
to have a forty eight inch, stride you have to

1642
01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:28.119
be nine feet six inches tall if you're a. Human

1643
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:33.720
and then you, know to put that in, PERSPECTIVE i then, said,

1644
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:36.439
well is there even a nine foot tall person? Alive

1645
01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:45.119
and the tallest person in known written history was like

1646
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:49.119
eight feet ten, inches so there's never in least recent

1647
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.680
history been anybody nine feet tall or. Bigger so although

1648
01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:59.680
we never again Saw bigfoot on this trip or anything like.

1649
01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:03.039
That and Like david had said About, california we never smelled,

1650
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:08.640
anything you, know we Heard david heard samurai, sound and

1651
01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:14.880
we found extra large footprints with toes that equate to

1652
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.520
a giant if they were a. Human so the chances

1653
01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:25.680
of it being human are. Infinitesimal, really SO i think

1654
01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:29.600
we're both in the in the the camp now That

1655
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:33.920
bigfoot was there In washington when we were.

1656
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.760
There, guys this is this is a wild a. COW i, mean.

1657
01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:42.199
Are you guys playing on maybe going back there? Someday

1658
01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:44.439
if if this is, ME i would be already, Like,

1659
01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.399
Okay i'm going back to this area or.

1660
01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:47.520
Maybe if you don't want.

1661
01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:52.000
To it did get a little Intense, saturday we're Going.

1662
01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:57.680
Saturday we're leaving Leaving saturday With saturdays.

1663
01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:00.279
And you know it's a different time of the, year

1664
01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.159
but we're go On. Saturday and then we're also planning

1665
01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:05.279
and going back again at the end Of august in

1666
01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:08.479
case there's some kind of migrational thing and we don't

1667
01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:12.079
find anything in in you, know next. Week so, yes

1668
01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:15.840
we're we're definitely going back To washington at least two more.

1669
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:18.279
Times oh, wow.

1670
01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:22.079
Is this still going to be the two of you

1671
01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:26.319
or are any Plans are there any local researchers to the.

1672
01:38:26.359 --> 01:38:27.039
Area i'm trying to.

1673
01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:31.079
Think, so, yeah there are the one that we talked, about,

1674
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:34.600
uh that we'd watched his. Videos he's going to meet

1675
01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:39.439
up with us. There his name Is Will. Holmer and

1676
01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:45.199
Then jonathan And Sarah brown heard our story And jonathan called.

1677
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:48.359
Me he actually called me WHEN i was In, ANTARCTICA

1678
01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:50.119
i believe it or. NOT i was on a cruise

1679
01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:52.479
ship down In antarctica and he woke me up at

1680
01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:54.800
like two in the morning and he, said, hey are

1681
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:58.359
you guys available In june to go up? Again so

1682
01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:02.920
we're Meeting, John nathan And Sarah brown and this Will

1683
01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:05.520
homer In. June now when we go back In, august

1684
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:07.720
we're just planning on going the two of us.

1685
01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.039
Here our wives are going with. Us this, fine they

1686
01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:13.399
want to go up on this, trip so we're we're

1687
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:14.119
taking them those.

1688
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:21.039
Bait you, Laugh BUT i mean we all we all

1689
01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:21.680
know that.

1690
01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:23.239
They like they like.

1691
01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:25.479
Women, yeah when when.

1692
01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:28.920
The female side is, introduced some really weird things can.

1693
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:30.000
Happen, RIGHT i mean.

1694
01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:33.600
Definitely, Yeah so this next week there'll be at Least

1695
01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:37.319
Sarah brown and then our two, Wives so hopefully that

1696
01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:38.960
will attract.

1697
01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:39.359
Something.

1698
01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:47.159
Wow, Man so The browns is so, GOOD i. AM

1699
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:51.720
i would assume they're they're going to be documenting uh

1700
01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:52.399
that as.

1701
01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:54.439
Well they plan on.

1702
01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:58.680
It they want to See jonathan heard heard about our

1703
01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:00.680
story AND i talked to him on the phone for

1704
01:40:01.239 --> 01:40:04.399
an hour or, so and he he wants to go

1705
01:40:04.479 --> 01:40:06.319
see all these, things like THE. X i, mean THE

1706
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:09.199
x should still be, there you, know it's just you,

1707
01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:13.520
know what are we eight months? Ago THE x should

1708
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:14.920
still be there and you should be able to see

1709
01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:18.279
the twisted bottom of the. Tree and obviously the footprints

1710
01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:21.239
won't be, there but they can at least see the.

1711
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:24.680
Area and Then Will Will homer is one of the

1712
01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:27.560
local guys and he's going to be. There he's had

1713
01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:31.680
a lot of experience more down in the campground. AREA

1714
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:36.319
i don't believe he is actually camped up In Gypsy,

1715
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:40.000
meadows but he said he wanted to join, us join

1716
01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:43.319
us and see if we can find anything that's.

1717
01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:47.439
Awesome you, know it'd be great to. See i'm a

1718
01:40:47.479 --> 01:40:51.760
big fan of Their Salish sasquatch. Channel they do a great. Job,

1719
01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:55.039
yeah so it'll be cool to see what they are

1720
01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:59.720
able to. Document but also the other guy is that

1721
01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:03.439
the man fifty eight. Channel, yes, yes, yeah, okay, okay

1722
01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:08.039
THAT'S i was, like this sounds really. Familiar THE i

1723
01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:11.840
was looking through the pictures you sent while you guys were,

1724
01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:17.840
talking and that that picture of THE x is absolutely it's,

1725
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:22.159
incredible just the way that it. Is it's really. Woven

1726
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:24.119
and if you guys are cool, that LIKE i can

1727
01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:26.560
CAN i put that in the speed?

1728
01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:30.520
Version? Yeah, yeah you could post any. Anything i've sent

1729
01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:32.239
you all the pictures of the prints and all that,

1730
01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:33.640
too so thank.

1731
01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:37.760
You, well it's it's it's a perfectly SYMMETRICAL. X, Yeah

1732
01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:44.039
and both branches are wedged in between two standing trees

1733
01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:48.920
that are only about six feet apart those two, trees

1734
01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:54.279
and the space there wedged in is probably only a.

1735
01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:58.560
Foot and, then Like david, said the one, tree it's

1736
01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:02.600
rootball had been pushed, up but the other tree is

1737
01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:06.359
twisted at the, Base so you, know you think could

1738
01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:09.640
the one fall that? Way, sure BUT i don't know

1739
01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:14.079
unless there was a, tornado how one the other tree would.

1740
01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:16.039
Twist and of course if there was a, tornado the

1741
01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:18.760
other trees around would be gone, Too SO i mean

1742
01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:22.079
it just it is an AMAZING x. Structure there's no.

1743
01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:25.720
Doubt it's probably one of the best ones That i've seen,

1744
01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:28.359
It like it is so good That i'm, like, man

1745
01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:31.760
it's just like this is a screen cap from like

1746
01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:34.199
The Todds standing documentary that look is?

1747
01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:34.640
That but.

1748
01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:38.119
Like look through the metadata of the. PHOTO i was, Like,

1749
01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:41.319
oh it's the it's right. There LIKE i looked up

1750
01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:45.720
the when you take a photo with an, iPhone it

1751
01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.720
captures the metadata and you can look up the you,

1752
01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:49.840
know the location on.

1753
01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:52.479
IT i was, Like, oh it's right where they're saying it, is.

1754
01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:57.159
And Like, david Like david, said it's probably the only

1755
01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:02.359
one hundred yards behind where Were and the crazy thing

1756
01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:05.720
is it was probably thirty more yards to the road

1757
01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:08.479
or forty more yards from the. ROAD i couldn't see,

1758
01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:10.800
it LIKE i, SAID i was looking in from the

1759
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:13.960
road WHEN i marked the, trail and from a camp

1760
01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:16.560
you can't see. It you only see it when you

1761
01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:19.560
get MAYBE i don't, know what would you, say twenty

1762
01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.119
yards from, It? David? Maybe or thirty yards.

1763
01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:25.000
From, it, YEAH i mean if you or we're walking.

1764
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:26.800
Up we didn't see it till we got you, know

1765
01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:28.840
we're coming up at hill when we're work than, that

1766
01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.119
but if you're coming in from the, road you wouldn't

1767
01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:33.560
get it until it inside the tree, line, Right.

1768
01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:44.479
Absolutely, incredible the, uh the uh hooting weird sounds that

1769
01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:50.880
you were Hearing at any point did it sound, like you,

1770
01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:53.920
know you would hear the who and then at the

1771
01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:56.119
end of, it would it sound like it was something

1772
01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:59.960
that was messing it up or didn't really know how

1773
01:44:00.119 --> 01:44:03.119
to finish the, sound or like it didn't do the

1774
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:05.039
normal owl sound correct at the.

1775
01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:06.680
End was there anything like that at?

1776
01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:11.239
All that's WHAT i interpreted it as is it had

1777
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.640
been it had been mimic you.

1778
01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:13.760
Know.

1779
01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:19.159
AGAIN I i Messaged Chris. Spencer he he hasn't heard

1780
01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:23.640
of anything mimicking owls AND i respect his, work you, know.

1781
01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:31.880
Immensely And sarah And jonathan have the the recording and

1782
01:44:32.199 --> 01:44:34.640
they said that they would send it To. CHRIS i

1783
01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:36.479
don't know if he's looked at it or listen to,

1784
01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:41.119
it but it sounded to me like at first something

1785
01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:45.760
was pretty well mimicking the. Owl but then like, again

1786
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.640
LIKE i, Said i'm sort of putting human characteristics on this.

1787
01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:53.560
Sound after a couple of, minutes it was getting louder

1788
01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:57.880
and the hoots became, quicker and as they became, quicker

1789
01:44:58.439 --> 01:45:03.119
they sort of degraded into a. Whoop, so you, KNOW

1790
01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:06.399
i guess it's almost as if it couldn't keep up

1791
01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:10.680
the perfect. Mimicking if it was mimicking an owl and

1792
01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:15.279
then resorted to we've all heard whoops being described or

1793
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:19.520
heard heard recordings of, Woops so that's sort of HOW i. Interpreted,

1794
01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:22.239
obviously my interpretation could be.

1795
01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:23.159
Wrong you.

1796
01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:26.159
Know the other, option LIKE i, said is if the

1797
01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:29.960
owl was making most of that first you, know minute

1798
01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.800
and a, half two minutes of that, hooting you, know

1799
01:45:33.039 --> 01:45:38.199
maybe the loop was only to come at the end

1800
01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:41.279
of the hooting to sort of mix in and kind

1801
01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:44.159
of confuse anything. ELSE i, MEAN i look at those

1802
01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:48.159
as the two. Options and either, way whether it is

1803
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:51.680
mimicking and then just degrades after a couple of, minutes

1804
01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:55.760
or whether it just adds it on that takes intelligence to,

1805
01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:57.640
do you, know either, Way.

1806
01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:01.199
AND i don't know. HOW i just don't know how

1807
01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:04.239
you could go from the owl ooting to heal there

1808
01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:06.560
oh la la la la la la, la and then

1809
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:12.399
back to outing as you're moving across the. Forest so even.

1810
01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:15.960
Even you, know if my other, explanations and even If

1811
01:46:16.039 --> 01:46:21.039
Chris spencer is, corrected he hasn't Heard owl's being. Mimicked

1812
01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:25.199
that still doesn't explain The sierra sounds That david definitely,

1813
01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:28.840
heard and you, know the the other camper heard as

1814
01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:30.399
he verified the next morning.

1815
01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:35.119
Exactly AND i think that's a that's a great way

1816
01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:39.520
to put that because it is a unique account where

1817
01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:43.880
you have the other campers and then you have the

1818
01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:45.800
gentleman in the trailer that had.

1819
01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:48.520
The visual as. Well it's just it's a really really cool.

1820
01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:53.479
ACCOUNT i can't wait to, see you, know what happens

1821
01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:56.119
when you guys go, back and it's very.

1822
01:46:56.199 --> 01:47:00.319
Cool, yeah we can't.

1823
01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:00.560
Either.

1824
01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:04.800
Man that's a that's a that's a wild drive for you,

1825
01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:06.600
though isn't he tell me about?

1826
01:47:06.640 --> 01:47:09.600
It? Yeah, Yeah SO i have to fly From phoenix

1827
01:47:09.680 --> 01:47:12.800
To sacramento and then it's like a forty narrow drive from,

1828
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:13.880
There david or something like.

1829
01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:18.920
That, yeah well we'll drive up probably, halfway stayed, somewhere

1830
01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:19.600
and then finish it.

1831
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:24.760
Off but like you, said with with what we've in

1832
01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:29.520
no no putting down what we found In, california we

1833
01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:33.000
definitely have have the fever after what we found In,

1834
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:34.800
washington and it's worth the drive up.

1835
01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:40.399
There oh, yeah, Absolutely AND i definitely understand that neither

1836
01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:44.279
of you had had the, visual but you're just extremely extremely.

1837
01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:48.560
Close it's, yeah it just it gets. YOU i totally

1838
01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:53.399
totally get. It and SO i would assume that you

1839
01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.039
guys are Both.

1840
01:47:56.800 --> 01:48:02.680
The needles probably moved away after that last, account will?

1841
01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:05.199
It you, SAY i don't think the needle can. Move Let's,

1842
01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:06.720
Troy yeah, right, yeah.

1843
01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:09.199
Yeah and LIKE i, Said i'm a math, herd and

1844
01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:15.920
in my, Mind i've Done i've done the probability of

1845
01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:21.479
having a seven foot tall or greater person running one

1846
01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:26.439
hundred and fifty yards through the forest at, night in the, dark,

1847
01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:31.359
barefoot in a light, rain across, terrain and traveling that

1848
01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:36.960
distance in twenty or so. Seconds i've done the math

1849
01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:42.199
and it is. Infinitesimal, literally it's greater than one in

1850
01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:45.800
fifty million chants that that could have been a human

1851
01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:49.399
that ran across that guy's camp that. Night you, KNOW

1852
01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:53.560
i know that sounds, crazy BUT i am a numbers.

1853
01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:57.479
GUY i think in, numbers and it is just almost

1854
01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.479
impossible for any of that to have been a. Human

1855
01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:05.319
and what other animal can can, speak you, Know Samurai,

1856
01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:10.000
cheddar it's. Tuff, yeah that's that's the so we're we're

1857
01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:11.680
pretty convinced now if you're, right.

1858
01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:16.079
Yes, absolutely is it a? Thing where.

1859
01:49:17.960 --> 01:49:23.359
Are you are you prepared to potentially have a sighting.

1860
01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:27.079
When you go back in just a few days?

1861
01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:29.800
Potentially that's an interesting.

1862
01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:32.199
Question so let's Not i've heard about, that SO i

1863
01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:34.720
wouldn't take the people always ask me what are you

1864
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:39.399
going to do when, you you, know see one or

1865
01:49:39.520 --> 01:49:43.039
need one type. Thing and one of the things that

1866
01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:45.680
that just hit me over the last month or, two

1867
01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:49.199
just to go back to my interest in The indians and,

1868
01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:52.560
stuff is THAT i would like to try to, communicate if,

1869
01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:56.279
possible you, know with these, things And i'm trying to

1870
01:49:56.319 --> 01:49:59.560
figure out how to do. That and my one thought came,

1871
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.000
up if these guys have been around for so long

1872
01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:06.760
and Around indian tribes and they've all you, know Other

1873
01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:10.079
indians used to you, know tribes used to actually trade with,

1874
01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:13.359
them or you, know they they felt that they were

1875
01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.640
the keepers of the forest they, kept you, know they

1876
01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:18.479
were like another tribe of people out. There AND i

1877
01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:20.960
believe these are intelligent, beings AND i think they're as

1878
01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:23.560
so intelligent as we. Are they're a lot more knowledgeable

1879
01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:26.680
of nature than we. Are but my thought came, as

1880
01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:32.279
how About Native american sign? Language, yeah maybe that was

1881
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:34.600
passed on in their, generation if they were. POSSIBLE i

1882
01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.960
think they've observed people and they can pick up on

1883
01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:42.279
things and. Stuff but it was interesting thought for me

1884
01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:45.359
that The Native american sign language might be something that

1885
01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:50.239
would be passed down their generations and. Stuff So i've

1886
01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:53.600
been trying to learn some of that in, case you,

1887
01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:56.760
know that was you, know one of my things and.

1888
01:50:56.840 --> 01:51:00.159
Stuff So i'm trying to prepare for that for if that.

1889
01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:03.199
Happens it's all going to be on how aggressive they

1890
01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:06.520
are or how willing they're. Doing But i've been trying

1891
01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:09.000
to learn some of that information in the case of

1892
01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:09.479
what might be what.

1893
01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:12.520
Happens and When david brought that up to me last,

1894
01:51:12.600 --> 01:51:16.119
week you, know that idea popped into his. HEAD i

1895
01:51:16.319 --> 01:51:20.359
started looking up the native tribes that were in the

1896
01:51:20.560 --> 01:51:27.920
area in Northeast, washington and The Colville indians were, there

1897
01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:30.279
and SO i tried to look up if they had

1898
01:51:30.359 --> 01:51:35.079
a spoken, language And I've i've looked up the word

1899
01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:38.640
for peace and the word for, friend so we we

1900
01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:42.359
have those two words that we haven't spoken. Language And

1901
01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:46.199
david's been learning sign, language and then it'll be interesting

1902
01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:49.920
to have you, Know Jonathan brown, there who you know

1903
01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:53.159
lives on An indian reservation and see what his thoughts

1904
01:51:53.199 --> 01:51:54.359
are regarding.

1905
01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:56.960
The the sign language thing has actually come up in

1906
01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:00.800
a few interviews That i've, done taking scifically of the

1907
01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:08.840
the CHAT i had with With ernie From Western massachusetts

1908
01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:11.199
where there was some SIGN I ridge involved with that.

1909
01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:15.199
One also there's some, guy there's at least one Gentleman

1910
01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:22.399
i've talked to off record where he, yeah that is

1911
01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:25.119
that is a part of it where sign language seems

1912
01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:28.680
to be. Effective SO i would say you're probably on

1913
01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:33.199
the right track, There. David is there a resource that

1914
01:52:33.359 --> 01:52:35.560
you found where you know you're looking?

1915
01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:39.159
Up there's a two to. THINGS i got two different

1916
01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:43.560
books on. It they weren't doing exactly WHAT i was.

1917
01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:48.840
LIKING i found a YouTube channel that is that's been

1918
01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.119
more help for me in where they have than the

1919
01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:55.960
Old Native american talking to somebody and he's using his

1920
01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:59.680
hands and explaining the. Language because there's more to it

1921
01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:03.279
than just learn a certain. Day that's the expressions and

1922
01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:06.760
how you do it with. It So i've been kind

1923
01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.760
of going through that trying to you, know that's been

1924
01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:12.520
more helpful to me going and looking at that that

1925
01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:15.479
old guy Talking clinton's hands and he speaks that he

1926
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:19.760
talked of the same. Time so that's been. Interesting that's.

1927
01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:22.560
Awesome AND i, think you, know just from talking to

1928
01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:27.880
you guys for for a little, bit it it sounds

1929
01:53:28.920 --> 01:53:31.119
What i'm getting is you guys definitely have the right you,

1930
01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:35.560
know intention and the right motivation and all. This AND

1931
01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:37.359
i don't know how you guys feel about all, that

1932
01:53:37.640 --> 01:53:43.119
BUT i have found from talking to hundreds of people

1933
01:53:43.399 --> 01:53:45.960
and also being in the field with a few different,

1934
01:53:46.039 --> 01:53:50.119
people that that definitely does play into. It is how

1935
01:53:50.439 --> 01:53:53.479
how the person is when they go into the field

1936
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:57.760
and why they're, there and do they have a positive

1937
01:53:57.800 --> 01:54:00.680
intent or negative? Intent that play into. Us SO i

1938
01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:04.279
think you guys are are on on the right trails

1939
01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:07.439
there as, well Unless i'm totally off base with, that

1940
01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:08.159
BUT i don't THINK i.

1941
01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:08.359
Am.

1942
01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:11.199
NO i think we kind of went into it at

1943
01:54:11.239 --> 01:54:15.079
the beginning with curiosity and, yeah and now we're we're

1944
01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:19.439
even more curious even though we've learned a lot and, uh,

1945
01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:23.039
yeah we're we're we definitely want to we want to.

1946
01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:26.359
Know we think we know pretty, sure we, know but

1947
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:30.279
we want to, know, uh and obviously we we'd we're

1948
01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:32.319
not there to, hunt we're not there to do. Anything

1949
01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:35.399
we just at first sort of did this as a.

1950
01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:39.720
Fluke but now, now, uh now we're.

1951
01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:45.359
Hooked. BASICALLY i appreciate your input on that BECAUSE i

1952
01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:48.359
hadn't heard anything about like gunion sign. Language but it's

1953
01:54:48.439 --> 01:54:51.840
good to know that that's. Uh that just makes me

1954
01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:55.640
want to continue that that that process THAT i hadn't

1955
01:54:55.680 --> 01:54:57.960
heard about any got in the Corporate.

1956
01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:02.840
Well david And curse has been just a really fun

1957
01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:05.720
chat with you. GUYS i want to make sure that

1958
01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:09.960
you were able to share everything that you had wanted

1959
01:55:10.039 --> 01:55:11.359
to share on the show.

1960
01:55:11.399 --> 01:55:14.680
TONIGHT i think the only other thing.

1961
01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:19.840
One other, time and this is just a small. Finding

1962
01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:25.680
we were hiking in the wilderness across the creek and

1963
01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:29.079
we Came we're literally in the middle of nowhere and

1964
01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:32.199
there are no human trails, around and we came across

1965
01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:39.359
this about five foot stump of this, big huge tree

1966
01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:43.680
and on top of this tree. Mushroom stump was a fresh.

1967
01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:48.000
Mushroom so, this, YEAH i forgot about that.

1968
01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:50.640
Thing, yeah the mushroom is it's like head almost head,

1969
01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:53.920
high AND i look at it And i'm, going what

1970
01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:56.880
is that. Doing it's laying, sideways AND i was, thinking,

1971
01:55:56.960 --> 01:55:58.760
well maybe it's growing out, there AND i went over

1972
01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:00.840
and it picked it, up and it was. Not it

1973
01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:05.199
was set there on top of this stump in that particular,

1974
01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:07.159
place and it was a fresh month mush and it

1975
01:56:07.239 --> 01:56:09.960
wasn't dried. Up it was like brand, new fresh. Month

1976
01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:11.520
it could have been growing, there but it was. Not

1977
01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:14.600
it was not. Attached so something had placed this mush

1978
01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:16.800
in the middle of the wilderness that we were hiking

1979
01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:18.000
on top of this.

1980
01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:23.199
Stump and if we're to believe that that night That

1981
01:56:23.359 --> 01:56:27.439
david heard them travel from across the wilderness or across

1982
01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:30.239
the creek from the wilderness up to that other, ridge

1983
01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:34.840
that is the direction they came. From so that was

1984
01:56:34.880 --> 01:56:37.680
the only other thing that we saw or heard that

1985
01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:40.399
we didn't really talk. About so thanks for letting us

1986
01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:41.159
add that at the end.

1987
01:56:41.239 --> 01:56:46.039
Here, absolutely you, KNOW i would, say definitely keep in, touch.

1988
01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:50.479
Guys it'll be it'll be interesting to see what, happens you,

1989
01:56:50.560 --> 01:56:53.600
know in just a few, days but also later on

1990
01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:57.520
in the, summer and you, KNOW i, HOPE.

1991
01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:00.319
I hope some really cool stuff.

1992
01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:02.680
Happens maybe you guys get freaked out a little, bit

1993
01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:05.000
maybe not too, much but you, KNOW i hope it

1994
01:57:05.079 --> 01:57:05.880
all goes well for.

1995
01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:06.840
You so that was.

1996
01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:09.960
Well even if it, Doesn't i'll be camping with my.

1997
01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:11.560
Buddy so that's that's what counts.

1998
01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:12.760
That there you, Go there you.

1999
01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:16.000
Go but we have, big great. Mill we got the

2000
01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:19.600
wives up there you. Go, well thank, You thank you

2001
01:57:19.720 --> 01:57:23.000
both for coming on the show. TONIGHT i appreciate coming.

2002
01:57:23.039 --> 01:57:25.760
On Curis david all, right thank, You jeremiah.

2003
01:57:32.680 --> 01:57:32.920
Start.

2004
01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:38.399
Hi my name Is Phyllis. Barnett i'm sixty one years.

2005
01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:45.880
OLD i was about it's been about seventeen. YEARS i

2006
01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:52.079
THINK i was going Through. OREGON i was visiting family

2007
01:57:52.159 --> 01:57:54.159
AND i was heading home and it was a little

2008
01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:58.439
after eight am in the, morning AND i stopped to

2009
01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:02.760
look at the view coming out To, orville AND i

2010
01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:05.800
think it Was, ORVILLE i, KNOW i was not too

2011
01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:12.960
far From. Trinidad AND i saw two bigfoots coming out

2012
01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:16.199
of the. Water one was down in the water and

2013
01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:18.399
turned and looked at, me and the other one stood

2014
01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:21.560
up and turned and looked at me and started walking towards.

2015
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:25.119
ME i was about ten feet from me or, so

2016
01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:28.239
AND i got a real good look at it And

2017
01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:34.840
it scared the out of, me AND i didn't know

2018
01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:38.720
WHAT i was looking. AT i remembered seeing photos of

2019
01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:43.560
bigfoot and, stuff and it looked like a bigfoot and no,

2020
01:58:43.760 --> 01:58:47.680
doubt AND i had nightmares for weeks after. That he

2021
01:58:47.840 --> 01:58:49.840
must have been about eight nine feet.

2022
01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:50.720
Tall he was.

2023
01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:54.840
Humongous LIKE i, SAID i wasn't too far away from.

2024
01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:58.920
HIM i now live In washington And Pierce, county and

2025
01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:04.159
my son was out hiking and took some video and

2026
01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:08.920
we're pretty sure he found a bigfoot nest over By Mount.

2027
01:59:09.039 --> 01:59:13.800
Raynier we live about thirty miles twenty thirty miles From

2028
01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:18.039
Mount rainier now And i'm hoping to see one. Again

2029
01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:21.279
but it did scare me to, death AND i ran

2030
01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:23.800
to my car and. LEFT i had a, camera BUT

2031
01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:27.000
i was so SCARED i just. Left thank you for. Listening.

2032
01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:32.399
Bye if you'd like to share a voicemail to be

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Button just wanted to take a minute to say thank

2036
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you for listening to this episode of The Bigfoot Society.

2037
01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:48.239
Podcast curtis And david's story isn't just compelling because they're.

2038
01:59:48.279 --> 01:59:51.840
Physicians it's compelling because of what they saw and what

2039
01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:55.520
they still can't. Explain from that eerie shelter hidden deep

2040
01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:57.920
in the forest to the pine cones thrown in, silence

2041
01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.439
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2051
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