Saved by a Hatchet in the San Gabriels

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But I had my camping acts,
right, so I grab it, I

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put it next to my head and
I just I lay there. I just

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lay there, and I'm quiet.
I'm not really breathing. I'm listening.

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And the closer they got, the
more terrified I became, like I felt

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fear before, and this, this
was this was nothing like the fear I

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felt before. This was unbearable.
And this thing walks up to the door

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of my tent. I'm about ready
to like, I'm about ready to defend

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myself, even if I'm gonna like, even if I'm gonna disappear, right,

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I'm about ready to defend myself.
I have this acts in my head.

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Doesn't tear the tent open, doesn't
push on it, doesn't expect it

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nothing. It walks around the tent, over and over and over again.

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Hi there, You're listening to the
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says, have fun going squatching.
Appreciate that, buddy, and also a

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show, all right, Big for
Society. I've got the privilege of talking

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to a gentleman that reached out to
me via email. His name is John,

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And how's it going tonight, John, I'm doing well. I'm just

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at home chilling out experience because it
had a significant impact on me and it's

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good weighing on me, and so
I reached out and here we are.

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So keep chatting with you, absolutely, John, What we have to be

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a little bit careful about some certain
things about yourself, But what are what

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are some things maybe that you can
share with the listener to give context about

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the area that we're dealing with,
et cetera. So I was born and

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raised in the city, but a
lot of my life has also been spent

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out in the woods, mainly out
in California. Or in California, I've

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been up and down the state and
a lot of my experiences have been throughout

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the state, and so it's not
really one specific spot where they keep happening,

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or you know, I can only
think of a couple of different areas

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I've been where multiple accounter encounters have
happened to me. But in terms of

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specific mountain ranges or national parks,
I've had two encounters in Camlith National Park

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up by the Oregon border, and
I've had I believe three, well one

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is held in two other like strange
occurrences, if you will, as far

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down as the bottom tip of the
San Gabriels. And so it's all up

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and down California. I've had these
encounters or strange happenings at fifteen in total,

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or well sixteen actually, about six
of which have been face to face

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with something and the rest have been
you know, whistles, would knocks.

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You know, you're out camping and
you hear something walk up to your tent,

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curious thing like that. Wow,
that's so, that's definitely a lot

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right off the bat, over a
span of how many years? Would would

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you say? This has been happening
many many years I was, I was

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a boy scout as a kid.
My love for the wilderness. I still

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love the woods. You know,
it doesn't matter how many encounters I've had.

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It's not just big foot that I've
encountered. But you know that is

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I'm going to lead those as they
are because we're not talking about those today.

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But then I would say my first
encounter, as far as I can

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remember, the first time I saw
a sasquatch face to face was actually when

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I was in fourth grade, So
we go, when is like nine,

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almost ten years old, how that
all that was actually had a Bible camp

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you know. Funnily enough, I'm
a man of God, and so when

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I first saw the thing, it
really rocked me. You know, growing

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up as a Christian, you believe
that what you see out in front of

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you was what God has created.
And then to have something show up that

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goes so far beyond what your little
minds at the time mine was very small,

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right, I'm only nine could comprehend. It shakes you. But one

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of the sixteen encounters were strange happenings, if you will, that I've had,

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I've been relatively peaceful. The first
one I had, I was in

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a cabin and I got woken up
because I thought something was staring at me.

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You know that feeling you're being washed
in the middle of the night,

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and up I wake up and it's
looking at me out through the window on

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the opposite side of where it was
probably wall, all still there, and

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it was looking at me, and
I was looking at him, and I

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was terrified and head when it did
that, like just enough moonlight had hit

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its eyeballs and it reflected back green
Now, if you know primates, primates

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are much like our own They don't
reflect back light. That's not They're not

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necessarily nocturnal creatures, right, They're
much like us. We worked day and

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night, right, so there's no
reason for there to be you know,

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cones and rods that reflect light back
out of your eye and so really,

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of course I didn't know that at
the time, but that was my first

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experience. So I started researching as
young as fourteen, bothering me for several

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years before I started to look into
it. You know, now I have

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the understanding of what I thought.
Well, like, of course, it

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rocked me as a nine year old
kid. It wasn't than human, you

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know, I was unnatural in my
opinion or what or that was my opinion

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at the time. So that most
of my experience is especially face to face,

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very curious. They're very curious creatures. The you know experiences the the

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most the most I've had happened to
me was a small stick or stone thrown

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in my direction as a you know, don't don't walk any further, you

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know, and so I turned around
and I walk out. I started doing

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more research. You know, if
I'm ever in in a wooded area for

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very long. You know, I
like to go camping, and I would

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sometimes go camping for a few weeks
to a month, so I'm in their

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area for a significant time. Well, and a lot of the times native

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tribes would take offerings and place these
offerings on a tree, stump, or

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stone. Wait a couple of days, if you go back and there's some

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say raven feathers, others say hawk
or eagle feathers, I've experienced both to

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be completely honest. But really speaking, if I play say like apples,

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like I played D and D a
lot, So one time I just placed

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these colorful D and D dyes that
I had sure enough put those, and

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then the place put feathers, and
I've hadn't had an issue had an issue

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with them. How granted, I'd
always feel watched, right, They're always

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watching you when you're out there in
their area, but expect them like the

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wishes, because essentially you are a
guest in their home alone. Yeah,

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So the most of my parents have
been very, very peaceful and very respectful,

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you know, even to the point
where in some areas I've kind of

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gained a reputation. That's the thing. They're incredibly curious but also incredibly smart

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creatures. They will remember a face
when they see it, right. They're

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like almost akin then to crows.
They're very very intelligent, and they do

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remember faces. And if they don't
like you, they will not like you

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for as long as they live.
Right, very much to say, I

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heard chatter, I've heard, you
know, the casual whistle, or a

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couple of whoops here and there.
If you respect them and are around them

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long enough, it seems to me
that you start to gain sort of reputation

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with those specific families. And yes, I do say families for reasons,

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and so in some areas I've actually
had them protected me, believe it or

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not. This has only happened significantly
at least once. I was night hiking

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up all the way and this this
one isn't one of the ones in Camelith.

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I was night hiking all the way
up in Camelith and just doing my

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thing, and I start to come
up on what smells like cat smell.

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You know, different animals have different
smells, right, You got a bear

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smell smells all musky and stuff.
Well, cat smell like mountain lions and

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stuff. They make. It's interesting
they mainly smell like like human sweat,

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Like that's that's the most I can
compare it to. It's like very subtle

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hints of bodiodor dirt in neat.
And so I was smelling that. I'm

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like, okay, I have a
cat either on my tail or it's around

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and it just happens to be in
front of me. Maybe it hasn't noticed

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the yet. Well, sure enough, I'm walking down this trail. I'm

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about to turn around because I'm getting
to the end of the trail and this

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cat comes walking out of the street
line to my right and it starts walking

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directly toward me, and it goes
it goes to crouch, you know,

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that strange crouch walk they do.
And I'm like, okay, well,

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I mean, if this is it, this is it. You know,

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It's kind of been my mentality out
in the woods. Right. They're beautiful,

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but sometimes they're unforgiving, you know, and if if that's it,

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and that's it. And so now
mine gets maybe not ten feet away before

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I start smelling a different kind of
smell, a very familiar kind of smell.

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You know. Most people describe it
as smelling like a wet dog or

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extreme body order or like human human
feces, right, yeah, smell as

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people call it, That's what I
was smelling. And I was like,

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okay, this is confusing, right, And it walks behind me and I

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could feel its footsteps. It walks
up behind me. I go to grab

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a stick that was on my right, and when I go to grab it,

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as I stand up, it actually
reaches around, picks the stick out

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of my hands and tosses it and
it just stands there behind me. And

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when this cat was scared enough to
leave, because it did eventually left leave,

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it nudged me forward, like keep
going, I have you. So

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there have been instances like that where
in sun of ways or like that's like

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I said, that's the only significant
way of had it happened where if you

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respect their territory, if you respect
their home, they're not happy to make

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sure that you're relatively safe. It's
very strange to me. So that's in

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Klamath National Forest in northern California,
correct, Yes, And so for listeners,

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this is just north of the Marble
Mountain Wilderness area, I believe,

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and also kind of in the same
area as Happy Camps. Some big foot

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you know, nerds may know of
that area too. Yeah, so it's

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up northwest of the Marble Mountains,
and it spans most of it's in the

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on the California side of the Oregon
California border, but it spans all the

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way north into Oregon. And interestingly
enough, most encounters that I've heard about

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happen above the Oregon border, part
of Klamath. And so I find it

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very very like to this day,
it recks my brain as to why we'll

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be back with more Bigfoot society after
these words from our sponsors. You know,

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why would such an elusive creature who
wants to keep hidden, who wants

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their space respected there far is to
help me? When I've an't seen any

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one of that, sad like,
I don't. I don't know if it's

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a couple there, I don't know
if it's a family there. I haven't

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been up there that often, right, But why would they do that for

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someone that they haven't had much experience
with yet? Right? Then? They

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don't do that at all really,
So it was it was very confusing for

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me. You know, I appreciated
it. I wasn't going to get eaten,

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So yeah, that's a that's a
plus for sure. So it was

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behind you took the stick out of
your hands. Yeah, now, And

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the funny thing is it was a
good like two or two and a half

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feet behind me. It wasn't directly
behind me, and it was still tall

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enough and long enough to completely reach
around me and grab the stick out of

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my hand. This thing was big. Did at any point you actually see

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the creature than it being behind you? No? If I know one thing

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about them, even at that point, they don't like they don't like their

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face to be seen. Given that
it just helped me out, I wasn't

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going to be the first one to
turn around. I didn't see a hand

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though, and most of my encounters
at that point I did not see their

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hands. You know, when you
see something like that, what do you

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do? You lock onto its eyes, right, that's your natural instinct.

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I haven't seen their hands yet.
And the thing that taught me so off

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guard about the hands specifically, and
it was it wasn't even it wasn't like

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a full moon, but it was. It was still a full enough moon

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to where I could see really well. Right, you know, they described

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being like just a larger version of
ours. It's hand only had four fingers.

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I didn't see a stub of a
fifth any of that. It's hand

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only had four fingers and had these
long, really long claws on it.

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I'm not saying I'm not talking fingernails, I'm talking claws, right, Like

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there's a there's a point where your
fingernails become claws if they're long enough.

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Right, And they looked I mean, I mean, you know, we

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wonder how why it's so easy for
you know, sasquash to strip bark off

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of trees. That's why they looked
wicked sharp. Yeah, it only had

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the four fingers. Think of it, like, it looks like it's middle

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finger would have been missing, it's
index finger, it's ring finger, and

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it's pinky finger. But it looks
like that was completely natural for it,

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like it was born that way.
Right, So like I said, no,

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no, stump. Well you look
at pictures of different subspecies of squatch

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their footprints, Well what do you
see and then then have three toes,

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So with them five or four I've
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So I do believe that it's on
genetic diversity with them, you know there's

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there's a lot of different tails or
you know, like native American legends in

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Alaska and in the Pacific Northwest,
where there's supposedly tribes of like four toad

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Sasquatch that are usually you know,
you don't want to mess with them.

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They can be pretty rough, right, no exactly, which then even further

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the question why would it help me? Right after it nugged me forward,

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I just kept walking and it was
paralleling me. It went up the ridge

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where the Mountain Lion had come from, and it was paralleling me making sure

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that I was either go into specific
destination, are going to turn around?

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I was going to turn around on
the trail because my camp was about a

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mile behind me at that point.
And when I went to turn turned the

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head of the trail, I put
my head down, turned around, and

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kept walking back toward my camp.
And it led me the whole way,

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And so I started I started wondering. I researched this. Those same Native

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American legends that say, hey,
these these these these guys are not They're

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not fun to mess around with.
They also say that these ford towed Sasquatch

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tribes. Ye, yeah, they
need to be there. They will help

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you get back to camp. I
did some research, and yes, it

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is true that the natives say that
these four to sasquatches are not to be

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messed with, right, they're pretty
rough. It also says that if they

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see it fit for you to be
there, and there's a couple of conditions

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to this. Apparently, they will
routinely help you back to where where you're

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supposed to quote home is if if
the time arises, if the time,

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if the need arises. I was
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of conditions? Because obviously I was
about to get my face eaten by a

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mountain lion and it had helped me
to some degree, right, whether that

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was its intention or not. And
these couple of conditions is one if you

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have given them food or some sort
of offering in the past. Two if

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you have if you are there solely
to see the natives say the well,

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we'll we'll call it our equivalent of
mother nature. So it's a it's a

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native word that I cannot pronounce for
the life of me, but they say

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that. Or if you're simply there
to enjoy mother nature and you need no

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harm to their territory, they will
see you, they will see it fit.

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Well. I don't know if these
things thought that I had no intention

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of harming their territory. But what
I do know is after my first encounter

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in camel because there is there is
a there is a hunting reserve there that

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I went to the first time around, and I had an encounter. Well,

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I took that I took that same
year that I was hunting, and

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I found the flattest rock around that
I could find, and I put that

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deer there. I just left it. I just left the whole thing.

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I wasn't about to I wasn't about
to screw with that, you know.

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And so I'm pretty sure Sasquatch,
being intelligent as they are, I'm pretty

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sure they may have remembered that the
second time around. Will I go back,

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Probably not, you know, I
don't know how much their patience lasts.

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But like I said, a lot
of my encounters have been very peaceful,

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which is why the last one I've
had rocks me so hard. It's

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fascinating the whole leaving the animal for
the creature, because when I've talked to

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a few hunters, that comes up, and it's different parts of the US

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as well. Well. I mean
even in Oklahoma. Leaving part of the

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animal that you've hunted for these creatures
in order to you know, have a

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good relationship, which just it's incredible. Before we get too far away from

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the first encounter, is there.
Do you feel comfortable sharing anything about that

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summer camp you were at? Well, I can say that it was.

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You know, I've had my best
friend, he's actually more of a brother

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than me. Now, we've known
each other since we were four years old,

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and that was his grandparents Bible camp. And this isn't where I live,

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so I'm comfortable sharing to some degree. It was in the Azusa Mountains

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area. I know that's not what
they're called, but like just to give

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others centers an idea, right,
it's in that area. Well, come

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to find out, that's a migratory
area for a lot of day a lot

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of fast squashes will actually pass through
those ridges because there's a couple of valleys

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here and there in that general vicinity
of California. They'll pass through those those

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ridgeways to get to this year and
Nevadas to move out past California. And

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so that's I assume that's what ended
up happening. You know, a bunch

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of kids running around, you know
you've been watching them all day, they

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finally go to sleep, and you're
curious enough to like, hey, I

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wonder what these guys are actually doing
in these weird like brick these weird like

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you know, brick shaped shelters,
right, Like, I wonder what they're

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doing in there? Are they doing
what I'm doing in my shelters? Like?

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I'm sure it was curious enough at
that point to take a peek,

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and my cabin happened to be the
one that took a peek at Is there

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a history of bigfoot encounters in that
Bible camp that you know of? I

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don't know if any about bigfoot specifically, sure, but talking to my grandfather

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to my best friend's grandparents, I
asked for some strange stories around the place,

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and they give a couple. You
know, you know, we we

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three Christians, believe that where God
works, the enemy tries to work harder,

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you know, being Satan. So
there's a lot of spiritual warfare there.

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I get it. Yeah, So
they scared a couple of those stories.

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But when I asked specifically about I
said, I believe the words I

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use. What about certain animals?
They got very hush hush. They shut

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that down pretty quick. So I
think they know there have been a couple

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of reports, but for the sake
of the camp and sake of you know,

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people feeling safe enough to go there, because you don't want to go

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to a camp and experience Jesus where
you don't feel safe. No, No,

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that wouldn't That would be against the
point, I think, the opposite

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of what of what the whole point
of the message is, right, Yeah,

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yeah, I asked them about that
indirectly, but but very pointedly,

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and they immediately got hushed. They
immediately shut that down. Okay, I

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might not be the only one.
So I don't know if it's sasquash specifically

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or big foot specifically, but it
is interesting to me that when asked about

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it, they were like, oh, we don't talk about that. They

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didn't say no, they didn't say
we don't know anything out of any of

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that. They said, we don't
talk about it. Well, oh,

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I see, right, So I
might not be the only one that's had

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a maybe not a big foot encounter
per se, but definitely a strange encounter.

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Interesting, yet another mystery. Well
we'll leave that where it is,

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but John, feel free to continue. This one's fun. This one's really

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fun. This was. This happened
when I was in when I was fourteen,

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again at another summer camp, different
places farther north than the one I

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previously mentioned, but this one was
pretty significant in my understanding of them.

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So, in this particular camp,
from the cabins, there's a path down

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to a to a grass field where
they would set up bleachers, you know,

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they would have their amphitheater there and
do you know, sermons and stuff.

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Right, Well, again, I
like to take night night hikes.

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So what do I do? I
asked my counselor, Hey, can I

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go ahead and take a night hike. He's like, sure, make sure

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you don't die. I'm like,
I will try, right, And well,

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I just walk the trail to the
amphitheater. And you know, my

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plan was to walk the trail of
the amphitheater, come all the way around,

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because that loops all the way back
to my cabin I was staying at.

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Well, I get down to that
grass field. I'm looking forward to.

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Grass field is more than my right. The trail kind of curse intew

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it. I'm looking forward jere Jeremiah. The quickness in which my hair on

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the back of my neck shot up
and a chill went up, knocked down,

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up my spine towards like the cry
in my head. I my knees

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locked like I stood there like it
was like my body was told to stay

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still and it did. You know
they've been subconscious or something. I don't

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know. It was a full moon
that night. It was completely full moon.

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And I see pretty darn well at
night anyway, you know, like

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some people will say, oh,
well, you know, dusk is really

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really dark actually, and I'll be
like, what do you mean. I

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can see the edge, I can
see the tree line from like you know,

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one hundred hundred fifty yards away,
Like what do you mean? Right?

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So I can see pretty well at
night, and I was able to

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see everything with this full moon.
We'll be back with more Bigfoot society.

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After these words from our sponsors,
well, I felt like whatever caused such

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a visceral reaction to my body was
off in the grass field. I turned

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to look. I see it silhouette
because the moon, the position of the

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moon was behind it. I see
I see this, I see this big

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foot. I see it's silhouette and
it's just standing there. It's I guess

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it's just curious, like or maybe
I just happened upon it, right,

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and it's just kind of like,
oh, well, hello there, right,

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may I anyone who goes out,
like if I could say one thing

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that is the most significant piece about
my encounters here in my time talking with

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you, Jeremiah, it's anyone that
goes hunting for sasquatch, don't go with

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the goal of seeing one, please, because those people are not ready for

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the size of these things. They
simply are not ready for how big they

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can actually get. This thing had
to be at least fifteen hundred pounds easy.

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Its shoulders were wider then, like
a good portion wider than the door

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frame of my house, and that's
considered it a wide door door frame.

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Like I mean, I'm talking.
I could see the silhouette, but you

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know, because it's a full moon, I could see like the fur kind

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of coming off of the piece of
the silhouette that I could see, right,

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And when it breathed, every muscle
that's supported it's breathing would ripple under

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its fur, every single one.
And it was huge. The bleachers weren't

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set up at that point, right, it was too early in the week,

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but I can kind of I could
kind of in that moment visualize the

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break because my brain's analyzing this right, It's it's moving down the logic train

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of like, oh my god,
how much danger am I actually in?

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Right now? Those bleachers are fourteen
feet tall, and I know this because

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there are there are marked lines like
ribbons around the trees of where they set

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the bleachers, so it's center on
the field, and the height is of

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the ribbons is where the of where
the top of the bleachers would, you

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know, not like the steps I'm
talking about, like the two or three

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runs above the steps. Right,
this thing's head past those ribbons by at

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least a foot in the half.
It was the biggest animal I have ever

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seen on the planet. I can't
even begin to describe you like there,

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there's there's no way really to describe. You know. I'm a five foot

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seven hundred and forty pound guy.
I'm not big, and this thing made

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me feel like an ant on the
floor right, Like that's that's how big

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these things get. I can say
that confidently because I know other people,

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not personally, but like through through
different stories on you know, the internet,

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and through different reports, there are
other people that are like no,

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I've seen them and they get ridiculous
sly big. From time to time,

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there are other reports of you know, thirteen fourteen foot tall creatures like that.

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I just happen to be one of
them that saw something that big.

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It's like thinking about it even right
now and like visualizing it in my head.

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It it still gives me chills.
It's still like makes me speechless,

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just that there's just the sheer size
of it. You know, if you

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put Mike Tyson in a ring with
this thing like it would crumple them up

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like a piece of paper, chew
them up and spin them out. But

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it was so much easier. It's
terrifying. How just to sheer power that

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these things hold, would you be
able to share a rough area of what

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region of California this other camp was
in, just for context, the Sandbardandino

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Mountains. Okay, gotcha? Wow? Yeah? No. That was a

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pretty big milestone for me because so
far I've only had two face to face

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encounters, and they were like most
reports, seven to ten feet tall,

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eight hundred to one thousand pounds,
muscly needy, right stand off fish,

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but not really like threatening. This
one didn't even have to threaten me,

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and I was immediately like I'm going
to die tonight Like that that was my

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first thought, like I am legitimately
if I move a muscle, I'm going

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to die tonight. Well I didn't
have to move a muscle. I didn't

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have to do anything. I just
sat there looking at it, and I

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guess it was done looking at me
one eight eight and went back their direction

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it came from. And when I
tell you, you're gonna have fifty yards

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away twenty like anywhere between forty five
to fifty yards away. I felt it.

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I felt it's football still, I
still felt its football. I felt

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it all the way until it hit
the tree line. That's how careless it

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was. Because it knew that anything
that it came across would not be running

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if it came up to it.
It did not need to be stealthier,

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silent. There is nothing anything could
do to to outrun out strong arm like.

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It's like it carried the confidence of
of like a really big rizzy bear.

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Right. Have you ever seen seen
videos of those in the internet?

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These massive Coda bears. Bears are
known to be stealthy for their size.

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These Kodiac bears, man, they
don't care. They walk right up to

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a gear pick it up in its
mouth and move along because it knows right,

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it is the apex of its area. That thing knew it was the

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apex of its area and carried that
confidence like it was. It's still unnerves

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me, but again, right,
a simple peaceful interaction, a transaction,

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almost a thing of understanding, the
understanding being I'm terrified of you, and

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I respect you for that, and
I understand that you respect me. I'm

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00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:43.199
going to go now like if you
respect them, like that's the golden rule

408
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.079
I live by out in the woods. If they are in the area,

409
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:51.440
if you respect them, they will
respect you in respecting them, and you

410
00:38:51.480 --> 00:39:01.719
will have brokered at tenuous peace,
tenuous but still peace. So these early

411
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:08.199
stories you had a peaceful situation with
these creatures, but it sounds like that

412
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:16.960
was not always the case. No, that's where my most recent encounter kind

413
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:30.000
of comes in. Sure, why
not get into that. There's a specific

414
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:39.639
spot in the San Gabriel Mountains that
before this moment I absolutely adored. There's

415
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.559
a trail in the bottom end of
the San Gabriels right as it heads into

416
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.119
like you know, the mountains that
I don't know what they call, but

417
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:57.679
the mountains that stretch into Baja California. In New Mexico, there's a trail

418
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:06.639
that wraps around the mountain have bottom
edge, and that trail has separate switchbacks

419
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.760
that lead off from it. At
the base of the mountain. One of

420
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:16.639
those switchbacks comes arounds a split in
the peaks and goes into a saddle back

421
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:24.199
that is, Man, it's at
the perfect spot almost all right. So

422
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:31.920
yeah, this this trail leads to
a saddle back in the in between two

423
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:40.239
peaks, essentially two separate parts of
the mountain range. And man, the

424
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.920
saddle back is like at the perfect
elevation. It's not too hot or cold

425
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.880
in the summer, and it's not
too you know draft, it's not too

426
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:57.400
bad in the winter either. The
spring is gorgeous. It's like two miles

427
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:04.119
of intermitute planes and woodline in the
saddleback. You know, it's gorgeous.

428
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:09.079
Very deer that lived in that saddleback, I know because I've hunted them,

429
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:17.039
like and you know, that would
be my for years, like an upward

430
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:24.039
of four or five years. That
place would be my favorite spot to go

431
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:30.679
and just camp out for weeks on
end. And this last time it was

432
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:38.320
it was the December of twenty twenty
going into the Winner of twenty one the

433
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:45.119
beginning of twenty one. I went
there because I wanted to see I wanted

434
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:50.360
to test myself, right. I've
been in all sorts of biomas in the

435
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.400
world, and as I've done all
my thing right, I wanted to see

436
00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:00.480
if I could survive for two months
in the winter in that saddleback. Mostly

437
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.400
for two reasons. One I wanted
to test myself and two I wanted to

438
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.920
see just much of a how much
of a habitat bubble this thing produces,

439
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:16.760
right, It's just massive expanse.
And so you know, I brought two

440
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:22.880
months worth of rations, and I
parked my car close to the mountain base.

441
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:28.039
I you know, it takes a
day to hike there. Really,

442
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:30.639
I take a day to hike there. You know, I do my thing,

443
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:38.599
get there by nightfall, set up
camp, light of fire, and

444
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.920
I go to bed and wake up
doing my thing. Blah blah blah.

445
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.239
Now, what I like to tell
people is that I accidentally forgot to bring

446
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.079
the last month of rations, even
though I prepared them, and so I

447
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.079
had to either you know, force
myself to go gather leaks or hunt food

448
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.320
or not even leaps like wild but
JATOs too, or go home, And

449
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.760
so I decided to go home.
That's my normal speel about this why I

450
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:13.599
don't go there anymore, and it
always confuses people were like, Oh,

451
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.599
well, that's not really a problem, just go back better prepared. Right,

452
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:25.039
That's kind of what I mentioned in
my email. I I don't like

453
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:31.480
lying to them, and so I
feel like if I could share this and

454
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.480
get it off my shoulders, I
may not have to speak about it again,

455
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:45.599
and I'm willing to do that.
So so about two weeks in to

456
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.800
this trip, I'm walking this trail
that I've walked I can't even tell you

457
00:43:52.840 --> 00:44:00.039
how many times before, you know, being it being in the woods as

458
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.800
much as I have, or anyone
that has, you begin to get a

459
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:10.800
sense like almost like a sixth sense
in those areas we're just in general,

460
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:17.280
like it bleeds in your normal life
of just situational awareness, right, like

461
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:23.920
this deep awareness of what's happening around
you in the woods. And I've had

462
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:29.079
instances where like red flags have been
raised in the back of my mind before,

463
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.559
right, I've had I've had bear
encounters, right, like your body's

464
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.199
telling me, hey, you lo, theres something there that should not be

465
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:45.760
right. I was walking this trail
and it weren't just red flags popping in

466
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.960
my head. It's like someone took
the Liberty bell, put it over my

467
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:57.840
head and started reading it. It
was loud and jarring, like you know,

468
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.719
you know those thoughts that like nag
the back of your head. This

469
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.440
one was like punching me in the
back of my head. That's how bad

470
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:13.360
it was. That's how like wrong
everything felt. And so I'm walking this

471
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:19.639
trail and I'm like, there's something
wrong. These aren't the woods that I

472
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.039
that I knew right, Something different
is here, something new is here.

473
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:34.719
We'll be back with more Bigfoot society
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474
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.360
I stopped and I take my time
to listen, to really like observe and

475
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:45.840
to get a sense of my surroundings. Winner is quiet in general, How

476
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.719
much is true? We'll still hear
things. You'll still hear snowfall, you

477
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:55.000
know, coming down from tree branches. We'll still hear the occasional rabbit f

478
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:02.920
it's passing by. Right, there
was enough thing. There was absolutely nothing.

479
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:13.079
I witnessed snowfall off a branch and
I heard nothing. The air was

480
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:19.199
so incredibly still. It was like
I had to walk forward to breathe it

481
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:27.880
in. It was so thick and
still. And that's when that's when,

482
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:32.639
that's when I started getting the chills
all over my body. And they started

483
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.079
at the left side of my body
and moved right. And I was like,

484
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:44.719
Okay, I'm being watched, and
I'm not just being watched as a

485
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:51.559
precaution. I'm actively being stalked.
I'm actively being hunted. Whatever is new

486
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:57.800
here is either making sure that I
leave permanently or it wants to kill me.

487
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:04.719
It's that simple. So I tranulate
where I'm at, pick that direction,

488
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.679
and beline it as a crow flies
back to camp to get to camp.

489
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.360
Next couple of weeks are pretty chill. I'm just doing my thing.

490
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:21.519
I go out gather whatever, you
know, deadwood, I can find right,

491
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.679
anything that's dry enough to make a
decent need to keep the fire going

492
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.480
right, you know, because in
winter you don't want to keep trying to

493
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.760
restart fires. You want to keep
the same one going. I'm do my

494
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:38.760
thing. I have my rations,
dry nuts, meats, cheese cubes.

495
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:44.599
You know. I'm just simple stuff
that'll fill your belly. But like it's

496
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:53.400
not not so perishable and I'm just
chilling. Well, it was the week

497
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:59.079
of December thirtieth on that in that
time, December, December the thirtieth and

498
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.320
the thirty one split the week and
half between the end of December in the

499
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:08.960
beginning of January. So the thirty
first of December for sorry, the thirty

500
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:16.239
three of December rolls around and I'm
in my bed, I'm sleeping. I

501
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:22.559
wake up, like completely wake up. And it wasn't like, oh I

502
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:28.559
heard something and it woke me up. No, like I suddenly could not

503
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:36.039
find the energy to sleep. I
was soul full of adrenaline and energy.

504
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.199
It forced my body to wake up. Well, I haven't. I didn't

505
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.280
have any rifles or anything on me. I didn't have any guns on me.

506
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.320
I didn't figure that I was going
to be, you know, really

507
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:51.920
killing anything. But I had my
camping ax, right, so I grab

508
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.400
it. I put it next to
my head and I just I lay there.

509
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:01.239
I just lay there and I'm quiet, not really breathing. I'm listening,

510
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:14.599
and in the snow, I start
hearing footsteps and then you know,

511
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:20.960
you have a combination of hearing footsteps
and feeling footsteps, and the closer they

512
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:27.320
got the more terrified I became,
like I felt fear before, and this

513
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.079
was this was nothing like the fear
I felt before. This was unbearable.

514
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.199
And this thing walks up to the
door of my tent. I'm about ready

515
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.519
to like, I'm about ready to
defend myself, even if I'm gonna like,

516
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.159
even if I'm gonna disappear. Right, I'm about ready to defend myself.

517
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:51.719
I have this acts in my head. It doesn't tear the tent open,

518
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.239
doesn't push on it, doesn't expect
it nothing. It walks around the

519
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:01.679
tent over and over and over again, as if just to say I'm here

520
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:06.840
and there's nothing you can do about
it. And then it does that till

521
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:12.159
dawn. And as soon as I
see the sun peeking ope up over the

522
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:17.119
ridgeline of the mountain off to my
off to my northwest, I feel it

523
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:22.920
go. It just goes, It
just leaves. That thing purposely went to

524
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:28.800
my camp to terrify me that whole
night, starting around like maybe two thirty

525
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:37.119
three in the morning, I'm like, Okay, new situation. Nothing I

526
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:45.639
can't handle. That was sketch whatever, Right, So I get out.

527
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.039
You know, my fire is still
going. Thankfully you know, I was

528
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.199
hoping it wouldn't have messed with it, but it's still going. So I

529
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:58.000
go, I grab more wood,
I keep, I keep the fire replenished.

530
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:04.360
I eat my breakfast, and I
didn't At that point, I really

531
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:09.920
wasn't enthused to do anything that day. I wasn't going out experiencing nature.

532
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.079
I wasn't looking at the wildlife that's
still around at that point, because I

533
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.639
remember this is this is only the
middle of winter, right, you know

534
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:22.920
there are still things up and about, things that are hibernating. I've already

535
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.280
hibernated, right, So you'll see
your couple of deer, You'll see your

536
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.400
couple of hairs. You know,
there's a few of them, but they're

537
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.440
out in about there. I just
didn't have the will of the drive to

538
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:46.039
experience any of that anymore. Like
that first close up encounter with from what

539
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:52.599
I know, this brand new sasquatch
through the area soured that for me.

540
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:59.800
But I wanted to stay for two
months, and so you know, in

541
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.119
at that point in time, still
young and dumb minds, I was like,

542
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.880
screw it, I'm gonna stay for
two months, sting it, and

543
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:10.400
and I meant it, you know, I'm not going to go through all

544
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:21.239
this preparation and not make it work. Well, that lasted out to the

545
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:30.719
end of the week because every night
they're they're on. Until I actually saw

546
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:36.440
this thing. It came up to
my camp, circled all night, and

547
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.559
this time that you know those times, it didn't wait until I was asleep.

548
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:45.719
It started at dusk. I would
go to bed near dusk, because

549
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:50.360
that's how I like my sleep schedule
out in the woods anyway, And it

550
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:57.199
moved in and up at dusk,
circle my tent all night long. Finally

551
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.000
I wait, but you know,
I'm up in the morning. Obviously it's

552
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.119
would bother me and bother me all
night. Finally, the next night I

553
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.000
sleep, I finally get some good, decent sleep, and I wake up

554
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:15.000
and I'm cold. I'm like really
cold, too cold for me to be

555
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.320
in a subzero sleeping bag in my
tent that should be heated because of the

556
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.880
because of the fire. I get
out of my tent. What fire?

557
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:31.960
This thing had kicked out my fire
in the middle of the night, and

558
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:37.679
I did not wake up to hear
it. Either I was too tired or

559
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:43.800
it was that quiet, but he
kicked out my fire. So I'm like,

560
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:47.920
Okay, obviously it wants me to
leave. So what I do is

561
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:52.880
I pick up what I can from
the wood that was left. I gather

562
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:58.400
more wood, I restart my fire, and I start packing up because I

563
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.639
know, right, it's gonna take
a long time for me to hype down

564
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:08.239
those mountains to the basis of the
mountain. That's that's an eight to twelve

565
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:16.360
hour hikee depending on how fast you
go, right. So I pack up

566
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:22.000
my things. I grabbed my rations. I'm surprised it didn't even take them

567
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:23.320
to be a flick to this day, I'm like, why the hell didn't

568
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:28.320
it just take my rations? Like
they're there, Take them. I don't

569
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.039
care. As long as you leave
me alone, right, I'll be able

570
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.440
to figure it out. Oh,
it's just look them there. So I

571
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:36.239
took them. I packed them.
Blah blah blah blah blah. I kept

572
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.119
the fire going to make sure that
I was warm right enough to actually get

573
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:45.639
moving. And as I get ready
to leave, as I'm putting the fire

574
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.480
out, I see movement out of
the corner. Like my head is down,

575
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.400
but I see movement out of the
court of my eye, coming out

576
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.159
of the tree line and I'm like, okay, here we go. I

577
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.800
already knew. I already knew this
thing was stand some ways away from me.

578
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:06.639
Well, I I stand up and
I look at it, and it's

579
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:10.639
standing at the tree line, so
it's it's standing away from the tree line

580
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.559
enough and the clearing that I was
at too for me to see it.

581
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:19.960
But it wasn't like in the woods, you know, And it was by

582
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.480
all intents and purposes, it was. It was a it was a normal

583
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:30.800
sasquatch, like maybe eight and a
half feet tall, probably nine hundred and

584
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:36.519
fifty pounds, anywhere between nine I
actually know, anywhere between like nine ten

585
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.679
and nine twenty. I feel like
it was a bit skinny on the skinnier

586
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:46.199
side for something that tall. But
I can see it right like it was

587
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:52.400
there. It was looking at me, and I pick up my axe,

588
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:58.400
like I'm like, okay, if
I need to defend myself, I'm absolutely

589
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:05.039
willing to. I'm not going down
without us right right, And it's looking

590
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:15.599
at me and it's it's it starts
to sway back and forth, you know,

591
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:21.480
like have you seen have you seen
like I'm sure you have. Football

592
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:25.159
players will like that. They'll set
up little tires or whatever they have,

593
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.880
and they'll like move in between the
cones or whatever, back and forth,

594
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:37.880
back swaying motion. Same exactly,
absolutely, except that two feet was on

595
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:44.000
the ground right, swaying back and
forth, back and forth, and it

596
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:49.000
got faster and faster and faster right
like it it seemed like it could not

597
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:53.000
stop going faster. Right, I'm
like, I feel like this thing is

598
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.800
about to try and jep me out, like it doesn't want to want me

599
00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:01.079
to know exactly which the actually it's
gonna it's gonna come from when it goes

600
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:07.639
to charge me. Right, So, my I was so done, man,

601
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.519
and I was so tired. My
stupid self picked up one of the

602
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:14.000
rocks that I was using for my
firing, and I threw at it and

603
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.960
I screamed, I mean I didn't
throw it far enough to hit it,

604
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:21.239
obviously, right, I barely made
it. I didn't even I'm like,

605
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.800
I didn't even barely make it.
It's kind of like lunched and blocked.

606
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:27.719
And I yelled at it, you
know, I was like, lead me

607
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:32.960
the f alone. And it stopped
swaying, and it almost looked like it

608
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:38.559
almost like tilted its head back into
its neck, like it was like appalled

609
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:43.000
that I did that to it,
you know, like how how dare you?

610
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:46.480
Right? So it looks a palmed
like it legit looks like looks at

611
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:51.159
me, like, how how dare
you do that to me? Right?

612
00:57:52.280 --> 00:58:00.159
And this is kind of where it
gets hard to talk about it. It

613
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:10.199
smiles at me, and if you
know anything about apes, smiling is an

614
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:17.159
act of communication, and that communication
is I'm going to kill you. Now

615
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.079
I have had enough. I am
going to I'm going to kill you.

616
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:30.039
No bluff, charges, no nothing, you you will die. It's that

617
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:37.320
simple. And as soon as it
smiles at me, it's like time slowed

618
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:42.760
down, and I felt that adrenaline
rush, you know, and I started

619
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:46.320
to get tunnel vision, you know, like the sight around the corners of

620
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:55.760
my eyes narrows on this thing,
and sure enough it charges at me.

621
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:07.360
And it was so fast, all
right. It covered the distance between it

622
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:14.639
and me. You know, it
would have taken me a whole minute and

623
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.360
minute to go from where to sprint
from where I was, or it would

624
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:28.440
have been it covered that distance in
less than ten seconds. It was so

625
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:32.760
unbelievably fast. And I don't know
if it was the adrenaline or if it

626
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:37.159
was the tunnel vision or was because
I was just simply paying attention. I

627
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:43.599
saw which side it was going to
collide with me on and I threw myself

628
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:50.000
into the snow. On the other
side. It barely missed me. It

629
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:58.119
barely missed me. I mean,
at that point, I said, screw

630
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.480
the fire. I already had my
back pack on. I started running.

631
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:12.960
We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society
after these words from our sponsors. I

632
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.960
didn't even care about the switchbacks on
the trail. I just knew which direction

633
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:24.440
my vehicle was and I booked it. And you know, at that point,

634
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:30.119
time didn't seem to matter or affect
me. I knew it was keeping

635
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:36.599
up with me very easily, and
it was like I felt like it was

636
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:40.559
it was always on my tail,
you know, And didn't that On that

637
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.800
trail to the saddle Back, there's
plenty of little hollows and ridges and all

638
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:52.280
that jazz coming down the mountain for
each one. Every time there was a

639
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.599
rise, I'm grabbing on tree branches, trying to move myself up the rise

640
01:00:55.639 --> 01:01:00.199
as fast as possible. Every time
there's a dip, I just launched myself

641
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:07.519
off the debt and hope. I
landed like that. That's how, that's

642
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:13.039
how unbelievably scared and ready to get
out of there. I was right,

643
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:22.599
And I didn't even stop sprinting like, I didn't stop sprinting there. I

644
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.239
couldn't stop springing, like even if
I wanted to, there was no way

645
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.719
I would force my body just stop
like it was. It was strange.

646
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:36.800
I'm obviously in my body, you
know, but it was like an out

647
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.559
of body experience in the sense of
I had no control. I kept moving

648
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:47.559
like every instinct in me tompo took
my body completely over and I just moved.

649
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:55.639
And I did that for like.
It didn't feel like it. It

650
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:01.039
definitely did not feel this long.
But knowing that trail and knowing how long

651
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:06.079
it would take you to get down
the mountain, even even you know,

652
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:12.280
doing it as a crows fly like
I did, it takes six to eight

653
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:19.880
hours to do that. I was. I was sprinting, and I don't

654
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:24.519
I don't know how long it must
have been around that around at least between

655
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:30.800
between five to eight hours. It
had to be that long. But eventually

656
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.199
I did make it to my car. I did dead sprint that way to

657
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:38.679
my car. It's something I will
probably never be able to do again,

658
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:47.599
mainly because I haven't experienced anything like
that again. But as I'm getting as

659
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:53.800
I'm bun rushing my car, I
somehow flying my keys in that process.

660
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:58.239
I unlock it. You know,
my keys are always on a on a

661
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.079
belt loop on my pants right like
with the carabiner. You know, some

662
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:06.440
people have them. So I just
unlock it, usually with my hand right

663
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:09.440
there that's just dangling from my side. So I did that, and thank

664
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:13.679
god I did. I don't think
I had a second to spare if I

665
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.039
had them in like in my pocket, because I threw my door open and

666
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:23.679
I slammed it shut, and this
thing like full force ran into my car.

667
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:28.079
Like it didn't stop, it didn't
do anything. It's just like allowed

668
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:32.400
his body to use that momentum into
my vehicle. And I am shocked that

669
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:36.599
my car didn't tip over, like
it tipped a little bit. But it

670
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:45.199
eventually made its way down the top
and I drive us to Dan for the

671
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:53.119
Ford focus for reference. The top
of it's like that where the joint between

672
01:03:53.159 --> 01:04:00.320
the thigh and the hip is the
top of that that joint there met the

673
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:06.480
top of my driver's side window.
And as I'm kind of processing that,

674
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:12.760
I realize what my car is still
tipping. No, my car is tipping

675
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:16.559
back and forth. No, this
thing has my car by the hood in

676
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:23.440
its hands and it's shaking the ship
out of my car. I'm like,

677
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:25.719
I gotta get this thing off my
car. I'm never gonna be able to

678
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:30.440
get out of here. Like it's
going to put my vehicle into the into

679
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.800
the snow and into the mud so
bad I won't ever have the traction to

680
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:43.400
get out. Right. Well,
my camping axe is still right there in

681
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.199
my passenger seat. I guess i'd
had I guess I'd tossed it on my

682
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:55.400
way in my backpack was actually still
on my back. I took my backpack

683
01:04:55.440 --> 01:05:00.360
off through it in the back real
quick. I took my axe roll down

684
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:11.000
the window, aimed right at that
spot where it's hit meets its thigh,

685
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.119
and you know, I kind of
half chopped at it, half through it.

686
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.480
You know, it was far enough
to where like my axe left the

687
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:24.280
axe left my hands just enough to
like give it that extra umph, right

688
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:29.840
and it it landed it where I
wanted to land. I mean, it

689
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.800
was the creature was right there,
but I guess I had thrown it hard

690
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:40.079
enough to where like I buried that
thing deep in its thigh, like like

691
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:45.719
in that joint. I buried it
deep. It lets out a yelp.

692
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.440
I start rolling up my window because
it's starting to back up, and I

693
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:55.039
realized as I'm rolling my window up, but just bury deep. I buried

694
01:05:55.079 --> 01:06:00.480
the whole axe head into that portion
of its leg, and it decided,

695
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:04.400
I guess it, it didn't want
to mess with me anymore. I was

696
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:09.719
already on my way out and I
heard it, and it turns around and

697
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:15.239
it starts to kind of like hop
limp away. But when it when it

698
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.440
yelled out. When I did that, I didn't ever hear a sound of

699
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:29.559
pain like that before it was.
It was a mixture of anger again pain

700
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:39.639
just pure frustration, you know.
And it was loud. It was powerful,

701
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:44.880
and it rattled the windows in my
car and I felt it all through

702
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:53.280
my chest like that thing has so
much power. And I know it looked

703
01:06:53.360 --> 01:07:00.119
pissed off at me when I saw
it in the clearing. I honestly of

704
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:01.800
this. They think that if it
wanted me dead, it would have killed

705
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:08.440
me in that clearing. I think
the only reason I survived that whole thing

706
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:11.760
and was able to get to my
car. Like I. It lint away

707
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:14.360
with my axe in its in its
thide. I just left it. I

708
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:19.039
just left in me. I didn't
care. I just wanted out. I

709
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:24.559
think the only reason I survived is
at all, pass like the first initial

710
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:29.079
charge, even coming down the mountain
as fast as I was, as fast

711
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:32.760
as it is it was going,
was because it was trying to scare me

712
01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:38.559
enough to leave, and I simply
wasn't leaving. I think it had enough

713
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:42.280
and just wanted me out, because
if it wanted to, it would have

714
01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:47.920
absolutely killed me. It would have
absolutely like ripped me to shreds, and

715
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:50.760
then I would be another like,
you know, missing for one one like

716
01:07:53.039 --> 01:08:00.559
I would have gone in the mountains
and never come back. And I drove

717
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.199
home. You know, I have
my snow chains and stuff on my car,

718
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.760
so I was fine driving out of
there. And I drove home,

719
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:15.159
and I I haven't been. I
haven't been back since I've been out in

720
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:17.239
the woods since you know, I'm
not going to let that determ my love

721
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.800
for the woods. I haven't been
back to the San Gabriel since that time.

722
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.960
I can no longer go back to
my favorite set, my favorite spot

723
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:30.119
up there, and enjoy it.
Even if it wasn't there, I think

724
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.159
I would always have, you know, looming sense of needing to look over

725
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:45.920
my shoulder. It completely entirely ruined
that for me. And you know,

726
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:53.640
like I said, I haven't had
mostly peaceful encounters before this. That was

727
01:08:53.720 --> 01:09:00.279
the most violent. Like you know, I you know, I believe only

728
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:05.000
that this world is as you know, sick with evil and violence, as

729
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:11.199
it is you know, full of
you know, good things and blessings and

730
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:16.920
all that. The face it made
when it went to smile at me,

731
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:25.319
like this thing had all of the
violence in the world at its disposal.

732
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:30.279
That was the most violent thing I've
ever seen in animal do to me or

733
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:36.760
anyone, you know. And it
could have done that to anybody. It

734
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:44.359
just happened to be me. I've
never seen. I had never seen any

735
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:51.680
animal be that. I don't even
like that violent to like that territorial that

736
01:09:53.000 --> 01:10:01.600
willing to cause such like psychological and
emotional damage. You know. Of course,

737
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:06.600
four weeks it again and again,
like I said, it circled my

738
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:12.399
camp just to scare me, just
to let me know that I'm there and

739
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:18.640
there's nothing I could do about it. And when it finally came to pass

740
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:24.520
that I would see it and it
revealed itself to me. You know,

741
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:30.199
it still had all the power in
the world. I still could do nothing

742
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:33.520
about it. My life was in
that exams and for whatever reason, it

743
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:39.960
just decided maybe I'm not worth it, so just get me out of here.

744
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:56.239
And that's exactly what it did.
I can see how you've never wanted

745
01:10:56.279 --> 01:11:00.359
to talk about that. I mean, that is absolutely horrifying. Thank you

746
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:06.000
for sharing that. Oh yeah,
of course tonight. It feels nice to

747
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:18.439
finally get that out of it out
there. It feels nice. Is that

748
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:25.720
something where it that scene plays over? And has it taken a while to

749
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:30.039
get past that where it took it
way over? When you're stop having wonder

750
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.279
is you just kind of know?
I still think about it from time to

751
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:35.920
time. Yeah, I don't.
You know. The worst part is as

752
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:43.319
such, severe ADHD. There's almost
almost a sickening curiosity in me to look

753
01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:46.439
up exactly why that happened, what
I get wrong, what I could have

754
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:51.279
done better. But the more and
more I think about it, the only

755
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:57.920
thing I really did wrong was show
up to a place I've been to us

756
01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:03.920
so many times before it happened to
either make its home there or happen to

757
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:12.720
be passing through. The only thing
I did wrong was show up. I

758
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:16.640
showed up to my favorite place,
and that's that, I guess. That's

759
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:24.319
the sin it considered great enough to
make my make my time there the time

760
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:28.560
that I was supposed to be at
peace, a living nightmare, a living

761
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:38.640
hell. I think the second mistake
I made was not listening to every part

762
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:43.239
of my body telling me to just
leave that first, that first time around,

763
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:45.079
you know, the first time I
went out to actually look for wood

764
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.840
and look for resources. That was
my second mistake. I should have listened

765
01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:54.359
to my gut. I should have
listened to my you know, the senses

766
01:12:54.359 --> 01:13:00.279
of my surroundings, and I didn't. But you know, it's just it

767
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:06.119
really breaks my heart that the only
thing I actually did wrong was go to

768
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:11.119
my go was go to my my
spot that I go for for peace in

769
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:15.680
life, to just get out and
compress from life. That's that's all I

770
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:23.319
did. I just showed up,
and that was my mistake. And I

771
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:26.920
can't go back for fear of that
thing is still being there. You know,

772
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:31.159
I don't know how sasquash is vigrate
past, you know, actually like

773
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.760
documented migration trails that they seem to
have, Right, I don't know if

774
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:42.640
they sometimes just pick a spot,
hunker down and make that their home for

775
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:46.560
our god knows how long. I
don't know if it's going to be there

776
01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:50.680
if I go to show back up. What if showing back up the second

777
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:57.279
time is the exact mistake that kills
me the next time. I can no

778
01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:04.000
longer go back to my favorite spot
and feel safe. And that sucks in

779
01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:10.680
my personal opinion. I know it's
just an animal, but like some part

780
01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:17.359
of me feels I know it's just
an animal in that it probably felt threatens

781
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:21.880
that it arrived, and then maybe
soon after I arrived, and you know,

782
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:26.840
we're two intelligent beings in the same
place looking to live at that place

783
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:30.720
for however long, maybe it felt
threatened by that piece. Right, It's

784
01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:36.760
just an animal trying to do its
best to survive, right, Every animal

785
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:45.000
does that. But there's a strange
piece of me that's just like so selfish

786
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:51.800
of man. That was just plain
need you know the whole thing. It

787
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:58.880
was violent and it was scary and
it was terrible, and I was on

788
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:05.079
adrenaline that that whole back half of
that encounter, and part of me really

789
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:08.800
just wants to you know, I
guess it, a logical part of me

790
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:12.279
really just wants to sit down and
go that was just mean of it.

791
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:17.520
I wasn't bothering it. I wasn't
doing anything about it, even a mother

792
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:23.880
bear. Right, if you don't
bother it, and you put your put

793
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:28.079
your face in the dirt, put
your hands over your neck, and hope

794
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:30.720
to and pray the dear God that
it doesn't consider you food that day.

795
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:35.800
If you just leave it alone,
it'll leave you alone. You know,

796
01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:44.079
I left that thing alone, and
it's it still came after me. And

797
01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:49.039
I guess part of me doesn't understand
why why it had to be just so

798
01:15:49.720 --> 01:16:00.359
plain mean about it. But I
guess that because that part of the really

799
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:05.520
comes from, you know, I
guess some subconscious piece like like I kind

800
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:09.239
of owned the place. I really
don't, but like I've been there enough

801
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:13.840
times and if you know, not
really left my mark per se, like

802
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:17.720
leave no trace or something I heavily
heavily lived by went out in the woods.

803
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:24.760
You know, you stay at a
place enough times for greater lengths of

804
01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:31.119
times, right, there's a mark
that you leave, whether it's your scent,

805
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:36.720
whether it's you know, a fresh
burn spot on the ground that I'll

806
01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:41.840
heal over it with time from your
camp fire. Little things like that,

807
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:47.159
you leave a mark there. And
I guess part of me felt like I

808
01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:53.039
left my mark there enough to claim
it. I mean I didn't, right,

809
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:59.199
there's no way I could. Really, it's not my home, but

810
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:01.560
it sure felt like it was a
second home to me, and I was

811
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:04.600
kind of I feel like that was
kind of ripped out from under me.

812
01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:14.039
So that's the thing that mainly sucks
about it, knowing that I was completely

813
01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:16.840
powerless the whole time in a place
where I was supposed to feel safe.

814
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:25.319
John, I'm glad you finally were
able to reach out get this off your

815
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:31.239
chest. Hopefully it sounds like you're
coming to grips with everything that happened and

816
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:38.239
you can still enjoy nature, just
not in this one area. And I

817
01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:44.720
hope life continues to start to get
better for you. Dude. Yeah,

818
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:50.279
I appreciate that. You know,
I've tried in that specific area. I've

819
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:55.000
tried to go back to the San
Gabriels, you know, like a figure.

820
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:00.560
Why let one spot in a whole
mountain range in it. For me,

821
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:04.399
right ruined the whole mountain range.
Yeah, I've been able to kind

822
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:12.319
of enjoy my time in the mountain
range. I still look over my shoulder.

823
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:18.600
I'm far more cautious now in the
woods than I was before. I'm

824
01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:23.439
a lot more respectful, even even
more than I was before this event.

825
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:29.319
You know, of anywhere I go, but generally speaking, you know,

826
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:35.680
whether it's Claimas, whether it's you
know, Sambardino Mountains, whether it's you

827
01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:41.760
know, somewhere in the Sequoias or
even up further north in the Oregan.

828
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:44.079
You know, like I've been to
a couple of places up there. It

829
01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:46.600
doesn't matter, right, I've been
to a few of those spots after this

830
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:51.279
event. I've had a nice time. I felt at peace, I felt

831
01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:59.279
safe. I've already had established relationships
with a lot of the different little creepy

832
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:04.199
credits are sounds, those areas,
you know, So that didn't ruin those

833
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:12.239
areas for me. I yeah,
I feel like I appreciate that, but

834
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:16.840
I can feel safe in those But
you know, it's kind of hard to

835
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:24.479
come to grips with your spot.
You know that one spot you were hoping

836
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:30.880
to bring your kids to right Like, it's hard to come to grips with

837
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:35.199
the fact that you can't go back
for fear of well, in all fairness,

838
01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:40.399
to never have the chance to have
kids, or never have the chance

839
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:46.279
to have that career job, right
like, something as dangerous as that kind

840
01:19:46.319 --> 01:19:49.800
of animal. You know, you
can make peace with them all you want,

841
01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:56.760
but if they decide that you're no
longer worth staying there, it's not

842
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.880
that hard to make that for them, to make that possible, you know,

843
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:09.720
and it really wanted to make that
possible absolutely, man, what what

844
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:15.720
a wild, wild story? And
John, if anything else happens, you

845
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:23.760
know, definitely feel like you can
reach out at any other time. Hopefully

846
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:29.000
from here on out things are are
nice and easy for you, but if

847
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:35.399
anything else does happen, you can
always reach out, dude. Yeah,

848
01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:40.720
yeah, of course. I've been
wanting to share a lot of my stories

849
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:45.199
for a long time, you know, I just didn't feel like a lot

850
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:48.439
of them were paramount enough to share, at least to a bigger audience,

851
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:57.960
you know. But yeah, I'll
definitely I will definitely contact you either.

852
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.199
You know. There's one that I
think ab out but long enough for me

853
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:03.039
to be like, yeah, that's
interesting. More, you know, something

854
01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:11.880
new pops up. I'm almost constantly
researching these right, you know, new

855
01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:15.479
theories people come up with, matching
them with my own experiences. So if

856
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:18.279
I have had experience and that causes
me to research a little bit more,

857
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:20.920
I've definitely let you know, like, hey, these are my thoughts.

858
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:28.960
So I appreciate that absolutely. Thanks
for chatting tonight. John. You're at

859
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:33.000
Bigfoot Society. Art goal is to
provide a platform for those that have encountered

860
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:39.560
Bigfoot to share their encounter in a
safe and respected environment. But we need

861
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:44.159
to hear your story. If you've
experienced something that you just can't explain,

862
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:50.079
please send me an email at Bigfoot
Society at gmail dot com. Then we

863
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:55.439
can start the conversation. And I
know a lot of you have not shared

864
01:21:56.000 --> 01:22:00.239
your encounter at all. It's been
twenty years and it's time that you get

865
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:04.479
this off your chest and then you
can get some well deserved for rest because

866
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:10.039
I know you haven't been sleeping.
I understand what you're going through and I

867
01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:11.880
appreciate every one of you listening