Searching for Sasquatch with Jason Kenzie and Chad Datema

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big For Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfest Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Jason Kenzie. Jason Kenzie is a filmmaker.

0:45 You may have seen some of his work. I'm going to have him talk about that in just a minute. But I was privileged to be able to meet him at the Oakridge, Oregon Sasquatch Summerfest festival just recently earlier this year. It was a privilege chatting with him and being able to be involved with some interesting research which you will all hear about in different ways. Jason, how's it going today? Very good? Thanks for asking, Amara. Absolutely, do you mind sharing with the audience a little bit about what it is that you do and how you got into all this wild bigfoot stuff? Okay. I've always been a photographer and for a journalist.

1:27 I actually started as a event and wedding for the journalist and photographers. And then one day someone walked up to me at an event and said, Hey, will you take pictures of my dog? And I was like, okay, I could take pictures of the dog, and you want to be in the picture and the owner said no. I said okay, and I met up with them and I took these beautiful pictures of his dog, and he told me some stories about his dog that really touched me. That made me think, I wonder if other people will have similar stories about their pets. So I started doing photography with people's pets and asking them questions about interesting things about their pets, like their dogs and cats. So one day someone came to me and said, Hey, I have a pet Cayman, which is similar to a crocodile or an alligator. I was about three to four feet long and it lived in a makeshift aquarium bath tub in his basement. So after telling everyone that this guy has a cayman as a pet and wants me to photograph it, no one believed me. So I went out and purchased a video camera and I went to the photoshoot and I filmed behind the scenes of this incredible photo shoot. Couldn't believe how close I can get to this little cayman and it was so exciting, and I earned the trust from the owner. He asked me not

2:57 to put his name out there or pictures of him, and don't let people know where his place was. First came in and he trusted me after that. So his friends also had exotic animals as pets, So then I started getting requested to photograph their animals. So I start flying all over North America photographing people with tigers and grizzly bears and greens and kangaroos and everything in between. Wolves and bobcats and hostages. Yeah, it was just so much fun, and I would film the behind the scenes, and I made a web series called My Animal Adventures, which he can find on YouTube, actually called Jason Tenzee's Animal Adventures, and there's over four hundred behind the scenes of my animal photoshoots for a lot of fun. And then in twenty ninth the world shut down and I wasn't able to do my animalsventures anymore, and I was driving myself nuts. I didn't know what I could do, and I was pacing back and forth, and one day my buddy Paul joked to me and said, heck, maybe he should do something on sasquatch. Maybe he's an animal, and I was like, h We laughed about it at first, and I thought, yeah, might be on to something, Maybe sasquatch is an animal of some kind. I went and interviewed a person who had an encounter class a encounter

4:28 with a bigfoot walked up to him and I found it fascinating, and so he sent me to someone else who had a class A sighting where they were fishing and the sasquatch stood over him and pointed as a show him something. And when he looked over and looked back, the creature had walked back into the forest. So then I started filming and interviewing, and I thought, I'm going to do a documentary. I got introduced to the First Nations people and they pointed me to an area in the forest, deep in the forest, where they think that the bigfoots live. And so when I went into the forest and went deep into the forest, I found a mountain lake. And in this mountain lake there were hundreds of these giant footprints that went right through it, and I filmed it. I had a drone and I would drone it from the top and you could clearly see all the footprints. And I went and took the footage to the First Nations people and they told me that I found the migration path of the Bigfoot, of the Sasquats people that migrated from Alaska all the way to California.

5:46 I put it all together into a documentary, my very first one, and I put it out there on YouTube and it just blew up. And then after that I started getting film awards. So I won probably about thirteen International Film awards for number one, and number two, number three, number four, and I think number five. That's some awards too. And what was happening was Bigfoot investigators. They had these groups and they would contact me and they would fly me in with my gear and they want me to film us looking for evidence, and we would go deep into the forest, sometimes either by helicopter, by boat, by like ATV, like any which way to get deep into the forest. And the one reason I love going deep into the forest, it's if something happens, if we hear something, or we find something, or we see something. We know it can't be human because we're so off the grid and off the beaten path. But the chances of someone just happened to be walking by would be next to swim to next. And yeah, it's been incredible. I've been to over twenty different states, over thirty different locations throughout North America, and I've seen some crazy stuff in the forest.

7:20 I had been roared at, streamed at, howled at, rocks thrown at me. I've found some of the strangest three structures, these giant axes. I've had an incident of a spider call where this creature just went right across the trail and fund of me. It was in the forest just like that. It was so quick, and I remember the eye shine. The eyes just stared at me the whole time. It was as if it was on a gimbal or a stabilization. There was no bobbing, It was straight and into the forest. It went. Yeah, it's just been a really amazing ride and I hope to continue. I'm up to fifteen documentaries right now.

8:10 You have a very intense backlog of documentaries and talking to your team because it's not just you that goes out on these you have a whole team with you as well, full of they're just great people. And you have a few that you're currently working on getting ready for release. And that doesn't even include the Oakridge footage that was just shot, which is incredible. You are constantly working on this for sure. Yes, I have five more documentaries. There's two paranormal documentaries that I'm working on too, But yeah, there's so now. I have about six searching for Fastquatch documentaries I'm working on, and soon there's going to be another two. I'm flying out to Michigan and into the Ozarks to go after the Howler, which is possibly another big foot creature.

9:05 That will be extremely interesting. There's a lot of different viewpoints for the Ozark Howler. What's the most remote you think that you've gone on these documentary expeditions. So I don't know if anyone knows British Columbia, but we have some of the most dense forests. Anywhere in the world. We have places where humans haven't placed their feet. And one time I took a helicopter and I got dropped off way off by Pitt Lake, just on the back side of the mountains, and I was one hundreds of miles in every direction of any civilization. And I spent a couple nights in the wilderness, and I found trees that were pulled out of the ground and turned upside down. They walked over walked the trees somewhere and just ram them back into the ground. I found about four or five of them. I've found footprints, I've seen the eye Shine. That's probably the most remote, but I've done I being yeah Oakridge when we're out there by the meadow. That's pretty remote out there. And we actually turned onto a couple other roads off the main road.

10:22 We turned off and went even deeper into the forest. But I really love going off the bean path, for sure. I don't really like to stick on the path. Oh absolutely. I'll share a little story about how wild you guys get, and then if you want me to take it out, that's fine. But I remember the night we took you guys up as a film crew one of the nights and I was hanging out with Steve and you guys said something to the effect of, we'll see you later. We're headed out ic okay, And then you guys just went for it. We were driving four service roads for what felt like forty five minutes trying to track you guys down, and you guys were up on top of a mountain, and I think it's just it was. It's amazing that we we saw all of a sudden, your flashlight come off the top of a mountain.

11:19 You were running down the side of the mountain in the dark around twelve o'clock, and I was like, these guys are wild. This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. They are in this one h percent. I'm just glad we found you. Oh I could not you know what I now that you said that. Back then, I was like, Wow, what are the odds that we come down the mountain after about forty five minutes to an hour being out there and we just have to come across you. I was like, show we were very remote and to the point where we actually found we found those weird sticks, the knots of the tree that were pulled out of the trees and laid in a row, and then again I was filming it. I'm so glad that I had my video attimement with me at all times because some of the stop people wouln't believe. But there was the knots of a tree. Imagine pulling one of those out of the tree, like just the knot, so it goes right down to a point. And we found them lying on a stump in a row, about five of them. So we didn't know Chad or Gwndol, and they thought maybe it was left for us as a gift, so we took them, but in turn I left them. We left them gifts, so I can't remember what Grendam left, but I left them a Canadian dime. It was a Canadian ten cent coin,

12:52 which I hope I didn't insult them because it's pretty much worth nothing. That is hilarious, big qu go, what's it's worth nothing? I'm going to kill that guy next. To my CEO that could be that could push it over the edge for sure. That that's really interesting. I think Chad may have showed me a picture of that, and it was the weirdest, one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. That whole area is weird. But has there been a time when and let's you can think of all your expeditions, which are a lot, has there been a time where just things have really escalated a lot and you've been like, man, if I could get out of here, I probably would get out of here right now. It's just it's very intense right now.

13:35 I went to Texas. I think it's the river that separates Louisiana and Texas, and we were right on the border of that. And it's one thing I don't usually tell people. And the reason why I don't tell people is because I don't know. I feel that people might think the negative of it. But your goals and when you see the documentary, it's it's number five searching for Sasquatch. Number five called you know, the Texas Screams. So I went into this area to go and interview a guy who said that he shot and potentially killed the Bigfoot.

14:22 So I was excited to meet this guy and I wanted to interview him and I wanted to hear his story. Even though some people said, why do you want to like put that kind of negativity into your docks? So it's kind of important to get all the facts from all sides. We waited for him from the middle of the night. He shows up, he pulls up. He were sleeping and he pulls up in his truck, and the truck the I say, either he had cut off the exhaust or he added a piece to his exhaust, because it was loud. The exhaust was so loud it was like bud like. I couldn't even I couldn't even explain exactly how loud it was. It was. You could hear him coming from miles He had all the windows down and he was blasting this music, which was like death music, you know, kill kill back, kail, kill kilter. He had it blasting so loud that then again you could still hear him coming for a mile away.

15:30 Big so society will be right back after these messages. He was. He pulled up and he steps out of the vehicle, his vehicle, and he's talking on his headset and the music is just blurring. And then he it wasn't even music, it was just noise. He turned it off and he went and I think he had a chainsaw and he was cutting down logs. The entire force around us erupted in streams and howls and roars.

16:18 All around us. It was nuts. It went on for an hour, these howls, and then there was coyotes who were howling at the same time. And I loved it. I loved that. I loved it that when coyotes are howling too, at the same time as these unexplained howls, because you can clearly tell the difference between the coyote howls and the unexplained creatures or whatever. They are howling, and then we're getting roars. And it went on for so long, and I was wondering that maybe it was because she may bee really he did shoot and kill this bigfoot creature, and that that creature the bigfoots recognized him and were pissed off, and that's why they were going off. They went off for so long that it got to the point that we were all sitting around talking and just talking about I don't know, cooking a hot dog on the on the fire, and it's so, how's the hot dog? We're going to be eating a whole bunch of that or another howl. So anyway, so about the hot dogs and the stuff around the fire.

17:33 But that's how it was. They were howling and screaming so much around us for so long that we got numb to it. We basically was like, oh, okay, another howl. But I didn't think for one second that I needed to get out. There was times. There was a time where something walked up to me in a hammock tent and five feet are eight feet from me, it rented in my ear and I started shaking so badly that I was like, if this is a bear or a wall bore, and I'm going to be injured here. And That's pretty much one of the only times where I've really thought, Okay, I'm in grave danger at this moment.

18:16 Wow, that is incredible. That area you're talking about in Texas, it is so intense. I've gotten witness reports and interviewed people from that area you're referring to that are just absolutely insane. So I could definitely agree with you that, Yeah, I'm sure that you. I don't think it's out of the question that you would experience something like that in that area is so full of bigfoot. It's intense. You should see that. You should see the documentary. Pretty wild. We even got something that stood up in the forest. We went to a graveyard. We went to a graveyard in the middle of the forest. It wasn't like there was like a major road that went to this graveyard.

18:57 We had to take ATVs to this graveyard in the middle of the forest, and there was a there was a gate off to the side that led to a farmer's to a farm way down the way. And we were there for forty five minutes and we're howling and we're doing wood knocks and I walked over to the gate and there was a sign on it saying do not cross. Violators will be shot. And then I looked at everyone, so I walked around it, and just so I walked around it, I heard walking in the forest and I'm like, no, that's no kitmunk, and that's there's something heavy walking. I turned to everyone and said, okay, there's something walking. Everyone scattered. They went beyond it, went on the other side of the gate, and they stood up.

19:48 So I ran into the forest with my video camera because I wanted to capture the audio the sound of it walking. Well, everyone pulled out their flours and they were look and at one point you actually see something on the ground and it was hot and it stood up. It literally stood up, and someone took a picture of it, and it was like, either it was a sasquatch creature or because it looked like whatever it was didn't have any clothes on. So either it was a farmer naked walking it from the fort, or it was a big foot or something that didn't have clothes on. Because when I went and stood right next to the trees, you could clearly see my clothes. Even on flur I like, I look white hot, but you could clearly see I was wearing clothes. But next to whether the creature it was naked or you have that photograph and it's actually pretty cool to see.

20:46 Man. The good thing. The thing that I noticed about you is that the Jason that you get in the documentaries is the actual Jason in real life, which is really cool. That you are a one hundred percent passionate individual, fun loving, like to have a good time, but you are very intensely focused on going after the Sasquat subject and documenting what you can. Is very cool to watch someone and everyone on your crew shares the same passion as well, so it is very cool to see the other thing I want to mention real quick before I forget is you have a really cool graphic novel and I picked up one of those for my son. He has just read it cover to cover and I thought it was cool you signed it. But the graphic novel.

21:36 If you guys are into like Marvel graphic novels and stuff like that, you should definitely check out Jason's graphic novel. It is very cool. Thank you. Yeah, I do try, like I am trying to find the evidence of these creatures. There's something out there. When I first started five years ago, going on six years now, I was a twenty percent believer in Bigfoot, and after almost six years of searching and the crazy stuff that I've seen in the dark forest, I'm a fifty percent believer. And the reason why I'm fifty percent and not one hundred percent is because I haven't had a daytime sighting yet. I'm hoping to get that soon.

22:20 I just need that daytime sighting for myself to truly believe that these creatures are one hundred percent real, because so far, I've seen the eye shine and I've seen the shadow of them, like they move so fast and for some reason, they know how to stand just outside of the infrared beam of light that comes from your video camera. We'll say this as a teaser to another Oakridge episode that I'm putting together. But if you had been if you had been in Oakridge a few days earlier, you would have had that daytime sighting. Correct, I probably would have.

23:02 Yep, I probably would have so close, so close. I know Chad at least had multiple daytime sightings and I'll be talking to him about that. That was before I got there as well, and in fact, I want to say it was even the same day I got there. They were out earlier in the day. But that'll be discussed more in depth in another episode about Oakridge. But have you ever been to the southeast Oklahoma area yet, Jason. I haven't not yet. Hopefully I would love. To see what you come up with if you can ever make it down there. I think I used to think that was the number one best area and it probably is really high up there, But after being an Oakridge I was, man, that area is pretty intense where we were at as well. You mentioned a spider crawling sasquatch incident. Can you share more about that? That sounds like very interesting?

24:03 Yeah, So it was in the up Michigan. We had taken trucks and off road way deep into the up. It took us almost an hour just to get to this to base Camp one, and that's where we parked our the vehicles and we made a camp with all the tents right there by the campfire, and we had set up all the of the equipment. So I'm sitting around a campfire and we had just we had just been hanging out that day and it was nighttime. Now it's probably about eleven PM, and one of the Bigfoot researchers comes into camp and says, hey, points to one of the other guys and says, hey, let's go back and get the audio recorder that we put out earlier in the day. And the other big Foot researcher was like, no way, I'm not going out there. No, it's I'm just I'm scared. I don't want to go up there.

25:05 So the other researcher was like, I could see him go, and then I stood up and said I'll go. So I grabbed my video camera and off we went. And we were probably about probably half an hour walk into the forest, going deeper into the forest, and I was photographing and filming all the tree breaks, so all the branches that were broken and twisted. A lot of these researchers believed that these creatures they do these tree breaks, but they twist it at the same time, which is really hard to do. Even a small branch, trying to break it and twist it is almost impossible. And I was fascinated. So I'm filming muscle filmed about ten of them so far, and we're walking and we come to this area where all the trees had been pushed over cross the path, and there was probably about six trees in a row. They were all pushed over, but the roots weren't showing. And these were big trees. These were probably about eight maybe eight to twelve inches in diameter, so they were bigger than a dinner plate, these trees.

26:24 But they were pushed over almost like bend bent over the trail where we had the basically, and all the trees were straight before it and after it, like it was pretty thick on either side except for the big patch, as if something had come and laid them all down. And we had to crawl through and over and under these trees to get through. And then we carried on and I'm still filming all these tree breaks. And we get to the end and we know no one's been down there for a very long time, at least a couple for years, because the grass that we were walking through at one point was probably about two feet two feet tall, and it was very eerie. It was dark, it was quiet. We get to the far end and we gathered and we got the recorder and we start heading back. As we're heading back, we took a wrong turn and we went for maybe a thousand feet the long way, and then we're seeing Kruger tracks and I don't think it was bear tracks. We saw Tuger tracks.

27:32 I think we saw wolf tracks. And then we. Walked back. And we found the spot where we missed the turn, and we started walking more. And as we were walking, we see these this tree branch that's over top of the trail like it's just it's hanging and it's a tree break, literally two of them over top of the trail, hanging there to the point where as we're walking up, I turned to the research and I said, hey, I don't remember that being there because I was filming all the teeth breaks because I was fascinated and to the point where when we walked up to it, I had to turn my head and walk around it, like move around it, like walk to the side, because it was in the middle, and you could see it was just broken because the sap was still dripping, like it was still wet. And all of a sudden, as we're looking at it, we hear cock from behind us, and we turned around and Blake had taken his gun. He had a gun with him, and he held his gun and we're looking down at the far end of this trail and there was nothing there. And then he put his gun back down, and then all of a sudden, I saw some eyeshine right there, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I think I see it, and I'm trying to get my camera to focus on it. You could clearly see it was looking at us. It was tall, I would say,

29:05 probably at least eight feet nine feet tall. And then all of a sudden, it closed its eyes, and after about a minute it came back out like the eyes shine came out really slowly, and there was again then a smaller creature had walked out and it opened its eyes and looked at us, and it was much smaller. It probably about seven seven feet with at least a couple of feet smaller than the other one. And it's just standing there looking at us, and it was just out of the reach of my infrared light on my camera.

29:48 And as we're watching it, Blake goes. You could hear cracking. He's listened and hear cracking all around us, and he's I think there's more of them. They're circling us, and I'm standing there. I'm figuring out inside. But I have a rule. I have two rules when I go out into the force. If I go out with people. Number one rule is don't run. That's my rule. Do not run if something happens, just stand your ground because right in the middle of the forest, these creatures are going to kill you. They're just going to kill you. There's nothing you can do. So by running you could if it was a cougar or a bear, they would chase after you because predator and prey, right and also the sasquats people would probably start laughing, ah, scared to cat?

30:42 Who else? I just don't run. And the second rule I have right to the first rule is no hoaxing. That's basically my number one rule. If I go out with people, don't hoax, don't go throwing something into the forest and making it sound like there's something there. Makes a society who will be right back after these messages. I really want this to be real. And then number two is don't run. So we're standing there, I'm looking at it. We're looking at these two eyeshine there's whatever they are, and then all of a sudden, they closed their eyes and I don't know whether they close their eyes or they just turned their heads and they walked into the forest. We walked up there really fast to that area, like a minute after the eye shines disappeared, and sure enough, besides where they were standing was a big open spot in the trees. The trees on either side of us were sick, except for that one spot where it was been opening where something had just walked right through. So we walked back to the spot with we wanted to investigate a little bit more of the tree break. So as we're looking, I did this maneuver

32:12 where I pretended to walk one way and I turned really fast, and they're standing in front of me. So Blake was looking the other direction because he was still looking down the way to see if you could see any more of the eye shine, and I was standing beside him, looking towards where he was looking, and then I pretended to take a step forward, when really I took a step forward and turned really fast, and there something that was probably seven or eight feet tall dropped to the ground in front of me, about twenty feet twenty five feet and it went right over the trail. It looked like a giant spider like massive with the eye shine that just and I'm looking at it that the thing is my camera. Your camera was facing my facing me because I was talking on camera explaining what was happening. So when I turned my eyes because of the light of my screen, my eyes were still adjusting back and forth. And I was looking at it as it went across, and I think there was a second one too that was behind and it stepped behind the tree, but I was so focused on the one on the ground that I'm looking at it going into the cougar because I know cougars they do hunch down when they're about to attack, right, you know how cats will go right down. So I'm looking at it, going, oh my god.

33:40 And when right across it was gone. So now I'm thinking to myself. Did I just what was that? Did? Was it just my imagination of the shadows of the darkness playing tricks on me because I was really hyper and very emotional and basically scared. So that's what I was. I would just verified And then what I didn't see in real time I saw when I was editing the footage two months later where I saw the eye shine behind my head because I walked to the spot where I saw whatever it was when I crossed the trail. What I did, I was talking on camera talking about and I could I saw the eye shine behind my head, probably within five feet behind me. All I would have done is just turned and looked. I probably would have seen it at the moment. I didn't see it. But when you if you watch the documentary, I think it's a number that is on number three. Number two and three is part one and two, but number three is the very is the ending with the spider call, and you actually see the eye shine behind my head. So yeah, that is my whatever my spider crawling story is wild.

34:57 I have not had a visual of any kind. Yeah, it almost feels like I'm being built up slowly to it. I think that if you were to go zero to sixty with you know, seeing something like that. Man, I'm not quite sure what it would do to you, But I experienced some roars and screams and oakridge and who knows what will happen next? For sure? Have you gone up to Uh, there's a property in northern Minnesota with a gentleman named Randy. Were you involved with going up there? So I did a documentary on Randy's place. It's called the Minnesota Roars.

35:39 How was that? Is? Number ten? How was that? Yeah? It was quite interesting. So he would take us to where all the pre structors that he's found on his property, all these pre structures, and yeah, they were very fascinating. There was one point where we went to a pole. But how all this bigfoot hair that? Randy says, that's what it was, and he said he's seen these bigfoot creatures walking across that. It was a long a what do you call it? A those power lines going up the mountain going into the forest. Yeah, a clearcut.

36:20 So it was a clear cut. His place is directly next to a clear cut. And he said he's seen a couple of times the sasquatch And so in front of me right now, I'm holding some of that hair that I pulled off of the of the pole, and there was quite a bit of it. Now, I'm not saying it was bigfoot hair because I haven't got it tested. For all we know it was there. It is quite fascinating that it was interesting. I had mixed feelings with Randy's property. I wasn't sure if somebody was going there and hoaxing him and building these tree structors behind his back. But I do know that there has been a couple three structures that he had no idea about. The spider like I saw. I found a tree structure that looks like a spider web. So it was at nighttime and we stumbled on it and it was huge. It was big.

37:17 All the trees were woven on it, and it looked like a giant spider web. And he didn't know about it, because when I got back to Canada, he called me asking, hey, where did you find that tree structure that looked like a spider web? And I explained it to him, and so he went out looking for it and then he called me from the forest again saying, hey, I can't find it. Exactly where did you find it? And then I explained it to him, and then the next message I got from him was when he got there, the tree structor was knocked down. It was on the ground. Yeah, it's interesting. If you ever get a chance to go up there and explore his land, you should.

38:02 I've interviewed Randy. I believe he even gave me an invite to go up there. And the interesting thing is I also had other people reach out after I interviewed him, saying, yes, we know where this property is, we live near it to and we have stuff happen on our property as well, which I thought was very interesting. It didn't lead to any interviews, but it's always interesting to hear multiple people in the same area. Another thing that happened when we were near the meadow, I remember Sherry had been walking to our area and she had said that something had actually called her name from the woods, which I wasn't really sure how to deal with. That is very strange.

38:44 Have other things like that happened. So I have caught whistles I've called like kids playing in the forest. We're talking one in the morning and deep in the forest catching what sounded like children playing. Only briefly. I've caught singing like melody, like a melody of some kind of an enchanted singing. I haven't really had anyone call my name. The only time I've ever had things call my name is when I've been doing a paranormal when I'm investigating haunted locations like churches or houses or That's the only time I've ever caught things calling my name. But out in the forest, I haven't had that yet. But I have interviewed quite a few people who have had their names called in the forest.

39:45 It's very weird stuff. Also, you just mentioned hearing singing, which I think is a fascinating thing. I've heard that reported in the Pacific Northwest in southeast Oklahoma. Can you share the area that you had heard the singing out in the world. So I was in Michigan in the very same area where the creature was looking at me through the forest, bouncing back and forth, bobbing his head back and forth, within that same area. But I'll tell you one story here in the Pacific Northwest, out by where I lived, I interviewed the ladies who said that she grew up back in I think it was like the nineteen fifties where there was no the road that she lived on wasn't paid and there was no It was on the First Nation's land, and she lived in a small little cabin on the edge of a mountain by Harrison. It was close to Harrison Lake. But back then there was no houses, very little houses, very little population. But every evening she would hear what sounded like a crying baby coming out of the forest, and she would sit there on her port and she had three kids, three little babies that she was looking after, and she would sit there on her on her porch in her chair listening to this crying baby, and the First Nation people would tell her that is where the sacklatch would give birth

41:19 out there in the forest. I asked her to take me to the area during the day, and she did. She took me to the area where she actually physically saw one run across a road. I went and picked up one of my buddies and we took a giant bluetooth speaker and we went to the area where she said that these she would hear these crying babies. And we hiked in for probably about forty five minutes, and then in the middle of the night we sat down and I had downloaded a crying baby sound, and I put it in the bluetooth speaker and I laid it into the darkness of the forest, played it for probably two minutes, and I stopped it. And I'm telling you, Taram, as I'm sitting here talking to you right now, out of the darkness came a blood curdling scream, as if the thing was trying to mimic a crying baby that I'd just done. I was filming it, and I caught that on film. The only disappointing thing is I was standing up, and because my camera was rested facing me, I didn't realize that the camera didn't face maybe cut my head off and didn't actually capture my astoundsment when I was like what the And I sat down, but

42:50 Paul was sitting there and we're like what the And it just and it was close. It was so close to us, I would say, maybe two hundred arts in the forest. So I decided to go walking towards the area to see if I can get a closer look or and I could hear running through the forest running away whatever it was. I was like, I could not believe it. But that happened right after I played this crying baby, and I was so happy that I was filming it. I've heard that, I've heard people use that baby cry. I've never had the guts to do it myself, just because I'm afraid of what might come back towards me.

43:33 And that you prove that stuff can respond out of the dark. You also mentioned an interesting thing which I also experienced multiple times, which you hear Researchers say that you're only going to hear stuff if your recorders are off. I experienced that multiple times. Were you able to actually capture any audio or anything interesting up in Oregon? I wasn't able to because my recording stuff had issues or it was turned off when I heard stuff. Yeah, no, I wasn't able to capture any any audio. None of the We heard a couple howls off in the distance. I got that roar. But yeah, it's so weird how it's as if the thing's in the forest waiting.

44:23 It's awful. Okay, let's do it, guys. Oh wait, want to turn on. I won't shut up, you. Know, no, absolutely, And I used to think when people would say that, I would be like, okay, yeah, but I experienced it once. My stuff was turned off and put in the car. There's something to it. I think it's just it is so incredibly weird. I do want to ask you one more question, Jason. It's a basic one, but it's a fun one. You're into this five or six years. Do you have any thoughts as what as to what this is that we're dealing with. What these sasquatch actually are. It's interesting. I do think there's some kind of an They're an animal, some kind. I think they are highly intelligent.

45:12 I can't tell you if they're alien or if they're from a different planet. This thing about cloaking, there's a big possibility that they have some incredible camouflage skills, only because when I think about that stuff, I always think about the real animals in real life that do have abilities of cloaking or at least camouflaging themselves, Like the octopus, the octopers, and the culters. They have incredible abilities of camouflage to the point where they could almost cloak.

45:55 Big So society will be right back after these messages. Why can't Bigfoot have some similar kind of abilities of being able to counterflage themselves. The thing about them going through portals or at least being invisible. The only one thing that goes in my head is if you think about it, Allegedly, these animals don't want us to see them.

46:36 That's why they run past us. If they run away when they think that they're being seen. If they could be invisible, or if they could just transport themselves to a portal, why would they ever come out of being invisible? Why would they ever come out of a portal if they don't want to be seen. When they get seen, there's a chance they could. Be shot and killed, so to be dangerous. So they have the ability of being invisible, why would they ever come out of being invisible? Just people say maybe it hurts them when they're invisible. I'm like, I don't know what that. Why would some nature why would they make something like that where you're in pain when you're invisible. I think they're flesh and blood and on a matter of time before we finally get an amazing shot of one, not to shoot one, just.

47:32 One exactly documentation. Yeah, that's a great, great clarification to make. My viewpoint is actually very similar, so it's good to hear that as well. Even though every viewpoint is fine on this podcast, I talk to all sorts of people, but I do also think it's probably some kind of physical animal that can do things that science just can't explain yet. Jason, it has been an absolute pleasure talking to you this after afternoon. Do you mind taking a few minutes reminding people how they can keep up to date with what you're doing, watch your documentaries, and maybe even what you've got coming up next with all that.

48:15 Yeah, if if anybody is interested in finding my stuff, you can find you can find my documentaries read to Watts, on to b TV, Ruku Plex, go on Plex, you can find it there. You can find it on Prime Video. You can find on YouTube also there. You know, you can find my comic book or my graphic novel. You can find that on Amazon. In fact, if you just google my name Jason Kenzie Animals or Jason Kenzie, Sasquats or Bigfoot, you will find all the news reports that I've been written about me, all my documentation. I do have a website called searching for Sasquots dot ca. Yeah, you can. You can find me on Instagram called Searching Sasquats TikTok, searching for Sasquatch on TikTok. But yeah, I just want to everyone to know if you want to lose yourself and my Bigfoot adventures, they're fun, they're adventures.

49:17 They're good for the whole family. And seeing you will see jeremyah in one of them. It looks great on film, so get out there, and that's true. You will see me in one of them. Wote you. It was fun being involved with that. But Jason, it's been a privilege chatting with you, and hopefully our pads cross again someday in the future. And thank you for coming. On man, Thank you, Jim. Chad, whenever you're ready. My interest in Bigfoot came in the nineties when I really got interested in bigfoot. My first knowledge at bigfoot, believe it or not, came from a TV show called The six Million Dollar Man and also in Search of with Leonard Nimoy. Okay, so now I'm giving away my age and the Patterson Gimlin footage. That short clip that as a young child was my introduction into what bigfoot was.

50:25 And I always was told that it's not real. It's what you're seeing is all made up. What people are saying is all made up. And as a young child influential. It's easy to believe, but I always still remembered the things that I watched. And then in the nineties with the Internet and things becoming more available and me seeing something Bigfoot and I go look at it. I don't even remember what the first thing was on the Internet that I saw, and then I realized that it led to more things, more stories. I spent years just reading and watching any video I could, following researchers years. I'm not out looking for Bigfoot, listening to what everybody else had to say, all opinions, because everybody has a different opinion, but listening to every opinion, and then it then all of a sudden, Finding Bigfoot comes out. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. This is the greatest thing ever.

51:32 I loved the show. I mean, now, I'm not a fan of the show. I understand how network runs it now and all that, but it brought attention to the topic, and then it brought more people coming out. See, Finding Bigfoot did a great thing. They did a great thing with their database. Matt Moneymaker, he did a great thing at making sure that happened, and they did a great thing bringing the attention to the topic, and then people that have held in their experiences for years and years coming out in the open and telling people. So this was huge. Now the Internet's even getting better, and now I'm finding researchers out there, and I find a guy named Mark Zaski who is my mentor, and I studied everything he did, everything I followed him and everything he put out. I followed him for years. I became good, really good friends with him. One day, he says to me, because now I'm an armchair researcher for five plus years, says, you know what, check, You just need to get out and find out for yourself. And I'm like, I have no clue what I'm doing out there. Even though I'm an outdoorsman and the hunter, I'm not a bigfoot professional.

52:55 I've just been watching all these videos, even though I didn't realize as I really had all the knowledge I needed to make my own decision as far as cognitive decision as far as what was happening. And I'll admit it's easy to think if you're looking for bigfoot and something happens, it's easy to think bigfoot. But that's the last thing you want to do because most of the time it's not. But Mark convinced me to get out in the woods. And the minute I got out and I started researching, I was amazed. I took all the knowledge of tree structures. I started finding tree structures, and a lot of stuff falls in the woods. But I'm finding stuff so intricate that it has to be built.

53:42 It would require hands to put the stuff together. And then so now I'm finding these areas, and then now I'm like hanging out. I'm not just chomping through the woods. I'm going and sitting and listening and camping in areas where I find this kind of stuff. And I was amazed that the activity that would happen at night when you're in your tent, or when you're sitting around the campfire and you can't see anything because all you have is a campfire light, and everything outside the campfires just yet black, and the noises here, and the things you'd find the next morning, I'd find a camp spot and I'd search the whole area. I look for signatures and sign structures, glyphs and all that. And I know I searched the area, and wake up the next morning and get up and all of a sudden, there's this glyph in a tree that I know, for effact wasn't there.

54:40 Now this is telling me there's something going on, there's something real. Then I find this area that I didn't believe they were in, but they were, and I knew from what I had learned, and I started habituating them. I spent a couple of years every day or every other day, leaving them apples, habituating them. Then I had my first daylight sighting out there. Like I go out after work, it's about dusk. I hang these apples. I can hear stuff moving towards them. It's like it got to the point they were so comfortable and I just go do it and leave. And I'm walking out and all of a sudden, I just had this feeling I'm being watched. And I turned and in an arch of a tree. It wasn't a really big tree, but it's a wide off tree and there was a y in the arch of it. I look and there is the shape of a head, and it's a dark head, and then there's outline of like shoulders outside of this tree staring at me. And I'm looking at it. I don't think it. No way, no way, am I seeing this, and the minute I think that it steps out to the side and it's standing there right in front of me, just looking at me. And it's not a huge one.

56:03 Maybe I believe it was a juvenile, and it just stands there and it just looks at me. And then I just get this feeling, and I get this like pulsating going through my body, tingling, and I get this like this dread going through me. And you know, I stared at the thing for five six seconds, the longest I've ever stared at once in the daylight. But I just this feeling that came over me and through my body. I was like, it made me retreat, and I retreated. I mean, I've had a lot of stories and I can't get into all of them, but really I got my start because of the Internet, because I always had the interest and I was able to look up all these reports and stories and people's beliefs and to be able to study the greats out there. Great people out there there are I'm not going to name names, but anybody that's into bigfoot research knows there's people that are long gone that put in so much time and effort into this that I get to study what their findings are.

57:16 And there's people current out there today that are really that really actually put in the work, not network type people, even though I have nothing against them the network personalities. They're doing their job, they're bringing attention, so what they do is important. But those aren't the personalities that I follow when I want advice about Bigfoot, and I don't know, I don't know where else to go from there. Jeremiah, that's such an incredible story, you know, and you're the first person that's brought up six million dollar man, which kudos to you because comments is going to love that.

58:00 They're always there. I was talking about that, but just the fact that you put in the work about five years doing the research before you actually were like, all right, I will go out and see what happens. And I don't think enough people get do enough time getting the foundation down, So kudos to you. How did you get involved with this with the Jason McKenzie, This Jason Kenzie guy, this crazy dude who I love. I say that because I got to hang out with him, and dude, the dude is amazing. You guys are the most fun team ever. Well, he's definitely crazy. I think that's the only reason that I can hang out with him, because I finally found somebody crazier than me. But it's not even really that difficult of a story. I helped start the Michigan big Foot Conference in ann Arbert. It was the first one ever. I was a big part of it. I was a big part of getting the speaker, setting it up, organizing everything. There was a lot of other people involved.

59:03 Shout out Dave Dominique, shout out Ernest Spargo, shout out Sherry Barsia, shout out John Taylor. I can't even name Josh persons. There's so many people that were involved to help make this successful event happen. And Ernie said, have you ever seen this guy? I think he had one or two documentaries. He's so funny. I watched his first one. I said, this guy ain't funny, this guy an idiot, and he says, watch the next one. I watched the next one. I says, he's getting a little better, and then he says, I think we should invite him to the conference. We had a minimum budget, and at the time, Jason was young, new, up and coming. I talked to him and he accepted it. But the deal was is he wanted to hang out after. He wanted to go do a documentary after. So that was the main deal.

1:00:00 Get him there, pay his way there room, and I do a documentary. And so we get him there, and I'm like, okay, all right, his personality on film is him, but it's not. You don't get to cease spending twenty four hours straight with him. And he's such a pleasure to be around most of the time. Don't get me wrong, there, Jeremiah. Most of the time, he's such a pleasure to be around. I contacted him again. I said, you know what, Jason, I'll fund this. I'll fly you in. Let's do a documentary in Michigan again. And ever since that it took up. Now that was a bad thing though, because I flew him in for three weeks. I'm gonna tell a story.

1:00:45 It's not really Bigfoot related, but it's Bigfoot all right. Event really, I'm flying him in for three weeks. The night before I'm supposed to pick him up from the airport, early in the morning, I'm on my lawn and it starts downpouring. Run in the house quits raining, I run out to get the rest of the lawn. Done. I hit the bottom step and my feet slip out. Wood deck steps slip out, I fall, I break five ribs. I almost die. I spend two weeks in the hospital literally, I get surgery, get plates put in my ribs finally, and then I'm out within a couple days. After that, I have one day to spend with Jason.

1:01:25 Big for a society who will be right back. After these messages. I am out there every day with him, hiking through the woods, hiking. I'm falling down a cliff just out of the hospital. So that is our first actual really me and him, aside from the conference thing. After that, it just took off. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Pennsylvania, No, Ohio, Michigan three times, Ohio, Florida. It wasn't in Indiana, but I made Indiana happen. Then Kentucky, then Pennsylvania, Oregon. And this is all within the last less than a year and a half, like these six that I mentioning. So yeah, I'm just going to keep doing it. We're all a team, we all chip in, we all do our share, we all take this really seriously. Jeremiah, you see it. You see it. You've been out with us, so we have fun too.

1:02:42 I want to comment. So I've seen not all the documentaries, but I've seen some of them, and my first thing was like, Wow, this guy is goofy, but he's having fun. But then after I got to spend time with him, I was like, Wow, these guys are having fun, but they are taking it way more serious than I'll say. They're at the top of taking this like they are seriously trying to get evidence and document and they're just having a really good time when they do it. And it's just it's such a unique combination. I haven't really seen it anywhere else, to be honest, so it's great. I'm not in it if there's not seriousness, and that's just me and Sherry too. And as you speak of Jason, that's just his character. Man, he's just a clown. But sometimes when we're out in the woods, it's a totally different Jason. We really research, we really solo camp, we really go alone out in the woods. Everything is non film.

1:03:44 It can all go on film. Most of the times you're out there all night long, nothing happens, nothing working, But it's times that something happens, which they happen. You spend enough time and you do the research right, you will have something happen. Has there been a time when you're out there filming a documentary where it's just gotten really weird or things have really escalated and you're like, wow, I'm not sure if this was a good life decision to be in this right here where stuff is just out of my control.

1:04:27 It hasn't yet, not during a documentary. Wow, okay, cool, cool. Just watch the Michigan one where we had Robin Haines McCrae there and she's telling us the big right here, their minds speaking to me. His name's what do he say, Harambi? They have a family, they're worried about you. You're scaring them. They're right there, and then all of a sudden, eyes everywhere, crashing through the woods. It's all. It's in a documentary. What one is that? Six or seven? I think Peru, I don't know. It's a Michigan one. It's all everything that happened, is there, Jason, Tony, Chad.

1:05:09 There's something in front of me, Chad, and you see his eyes up and you watch it drop to the ground. Chad, just drop to that. I'm standing right there looking at it. I'm not saying nothing. I'm just locked down the eyes. All that really happened. And then the crashing through the woods. Yeah, and then we also have other fun things. We go chomping through a freaking roost of turkeys up in the trees. It's scarce we get on film. And but yeah, the first thing you think, you're we're about being attacked. Have you ever walked under twenty five turkeys up in trees and all of a sudden they all take Okay, no, we and we've got this on video. It scared this dude, I am not kidding You'll. I think it's coming out in one of the documentaries. You will hear it in our voices. I've never had that happen, I mean before either.

1:06:01 But yeah, we're out there looking for Bigfoot. All of a sudden there's just a forest just rops. Yeah. Oh man, I'm looking forward to that definitely. What do you hope is accomplished through all these documentaries that the team is putting out. My main goal is the one day get paid, But that's not what I'm looking at. My main goal actually is to get the word out there, to get other people interested, to get other people researching truthfully, my goal is to be a part of getting validation of the species that I know exists. That is my true goal. Okay, am I ever going to make money at this now?

1:06:53 But maybe I'll break even one day. But that's not what this is about. I've been doing this so long that it's not what it's about. What it's about is the next generation getting the young interested because we're dying breed, Jeremiah, we are a dying breed. We are falling out. All the ogs are dying. They're either dead or they're dying off. And now it's us and it's our responsibility of the people between thirty and fifty five to get the generation below us interested in looking into it and seeing for themselves is real so that they stay dedicated and continue.

1:07:41 It's going to be hard to prove it's real. We know it's real. We have a battle ahead of us for that media and I don't even want to get into the details. Most people that are in the Bigfoot understand who's stopping us from this being the truth and being out there and being validated. It's not the trolls. It's not the trolls on Facebook, though our helping this be validated. It's higher sources above us, So I'll leave out at that. Oh yeah, and I'll just throw a little bit in there too. I agree with you chat one hundred percent.

1:08:22 There are times when I've been doing certain interviews and certain things are mentioned, things just go it just totally shut shuts down. You know. It's just like, dude, I don't know you've heard things I've heard. I have a personal experience with Department of Interior. Am I allowed to say that? Yes, so you're saying you have an interesting story with the Department of the Interior? Absolutely, Okay, go right ahead. My friend. I was in Florida. I had moved down there a couple of years. For a couple of years, started business.

1:09:04 The business didn't work out, so I took a job with my brother. We installed gates and security systems and things like that. And one of our clients that we did the gate for was a panther preserve in the Everglades, fifteen miles from David Sheeley's Skunkcape headquarters. We happened to be down there doing a job over by date, we had to do two of them right in that area, and my brother, my first time at the Skunk Cape Research Headquarters. So my brother would drive right by it, have to, so he stops there for me.

1:09:48 I buy hat. I walked through it. I buy hat. Then we go to the Panther Preserve. We get there. I knew this old guy Department of Interior, federal government, and I'm a bigfoot researcher. And my brother introduces me to him and we're just chit chat and I rang up, Hey, anybody ever came to you and reported a bigfoot? And he laughed, he said no, And then I give him this look as I'm wearing the skunk Ape Research Headquarters hat. I give him this look and then he looks at me, Oh, unless you're talking about the Sieli brothers. And I'm like okay, And so then I let it go at that, and then I said, you have to have trail cameras all over out here, don't And he said, oh yeah. I'm like, what's the weirdest thing you've ever got? So I'm like fishing, Why am working? We're repairing his gates, says tell you the truth, Chad an Arctic fox. I'm like what he said? Yeah, I don't know how I got here, but we we've got an Arctic fox that we've got on trail camera, which why would it be in the Florida Everglade. We're working and stuff and just chit chatting and I'm not pushing the big foot thing. And my brother sends me to the van. I forget what he sent me to go get and gets something a tool or something we needed.

1:11:21 And my brother, this is one My brother told me, he said, when I sent you there. I looked at and I said, my brother's really into this and really believes in this. We all just laugh at him, he said, folded his arms and stared at him and didn't say a word. He said, it was the weirdest thing. Chat, but I get this all after what I'm about to tell you have it. So he finished the job up and everything federal government. He can't tell me nothing, he can't say nothing. I'm getting the van. He says, hey, chat. I turned around and said, hey yeah. He looks at me with his arms folded, and he shakes his head yes, like majorly shakes his head yes, turns around and walks away. WHOA.

1:12:06 He's not allowed to tell me he can do that. My brother made fun of me. He looked at it. He knows. I know a lot of people know. Most people just believe what they're told by media. Let's be honest. Why would the government want us to know they're real? Why would they How does that benefit the government? It doesn't. It hurts it financially. It hurts. It hurts so much, just with the parks and recreation. Oh, missing four one one, okay, yeah, all these people that were missing here. Yeah, we think most of it's Bigfoot related. Oh yeah, bring your kids, your children here? A billion dollar industry, what's it? Due to the Catholic Church. They already took the Book of Enoch out of the Bible, which has I believe a lot of what big it is in it. I can't say it does because it no longer exists, but I believe.

1:13:06 It is absolutely wild stuff. I just recently have been having they say they're National Park rangers reach out to me from different areas, and the interviews never get set up. For some reason, they never follow through. And I don't know if there's some I don't know, but it is getting to the point where I think people are trying to reach out from behind that curtain of government protection because I think there are definitely park rangers that know something and they're at the point where these forestry workers, these park rangers are like, we have to get the word out and I don't know, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next ten fifteen years.

1:13:56 Yeah, and when they come out on their deathbed, because there's so many that they say, oh they're old and senile. It's wild. It is. It's absolutely wild. And what you guys are doing with searching for Sasquatch is just it is the coolest thing. It's it's a documentary series that that sneaks. It's sneaky because it looks like it's just goofy, but then it's incredibly serious and I totally recommend everyone check it out. It's on to b YouTube. I think it's on Amazon Prime too, right. Yep, yep, it is. And we all love each other. That's a weird thing because the whole team we love each other, like we share tens together. We pick kicks off of each other.

1:14:47 If my back is. Anybody but Sherry will scratch it. It's weird. Spending hours with you guys in the woods, Like, I totally get it. A lot of listening will be like this sounds kind of weird. It's like, guys, just just you'll get it. It is very unique. It's totally unique, but it is an. Absolutely we spend a week in a tent together and driving to a shower or and they haven't even experienced it yet. In my early days, I've bathed in a creek. The Sherry hasn't experienced that yet. But that's coming up. Oh, bathing in the creek. Oh she has. Oh that's right, you did bathe in the creek. Yeah. Literally, people they they see okay, ohio, We'll just say, they see this documentary and it's an hour and a half long. They don't realize we spent seven days in the woods together and they just see the hour and a half.

1:15:51 Absolutely, oh man, it's yeah, there's more. The behind the scenes would be too much to handle, but it is amazing and I loved every minute that I got to spend with you guys. Chad, thank you for spending some time hanging out talking to me tonight. Do you mind reminding listeners how they can keep up to date with what you guys are doing with the searching First, as question, all that good stuff. We actually have a whole lot planned ahead. We're not behind in documentaries because we've got one editor and one main guy, Jason, and it takes time to get through these documentaries. I think we're like actually three that still haven't even began editing, and we're about to do We're about to do four here in a month and a half that we're going to film in a month, and so there's gonna be a lot of documentaries coming out.

1:16:51 It really does take a lot of time. Yeah, I've been thinking about maybe we go live more, just to do little fun, one hour shows while we're out in the woods. If we're somewhere we're going to have signal. If I picked my phone up right now, Jeremiah and I walk fifteen feet away, it's going to hang up. I'm sitting in at a perfect spot. I can't touch my phone. But I'd like to do some live stuff here in the next year so that we have more content out there available, because we're typically four months than the next documentary is out, and then once that's out, then Jason has to edit for four months, and then we have to do all the research that we do, and that takes four months between the research we do and the other documentaries we film to get that next one done, but then the one that we just filmed, that's a year up the road before it comes out.

1:17:53 I don't the Oregon one. I don't know, man, it's probably it's going to be months before that one comes out, but it's going to be well that we could contact for you an interview with where you talking? Why would you know? What? Do you realize she's gonna have to edit? Finished? Share is the best? It's so good? But yeah, yeah, okay, okay, you want to redo anything or straight that? That is great? Thank you so much. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email. Here's the list. If you've had any encounters in Oregon, which I'm sure there's probably a few of you out there. Please feel free to reach out immediately. You can use email Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. A special thank you to all the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's your support

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1:20:29 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening. That's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will. Give them the courage to come out. And I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you've ever seen one. Of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you. You have shame on you.