Second Iowa Bigfoot Expedition Report with Ontario Richardson

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to Ontario Richardson

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and Iowa based bigfoot researcher about her
current research in the state, her favorite

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cases, and we provide a report
on last summer's Iowa Bigfoot expedition. If

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you have experienced something similar to what
Ontario has, or have more information regarding

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Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same
area, please reach out immediately to me

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after this episode. Remember, your
encounter could be the key to unlocking this

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mystery once and for all, so
please don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot

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Society at gmail dot com. All
right, big for Society got the privilege

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of talking to a good friend,
Ontario Richardson. She's with the BFRO in

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Iowa. She's a researcher there.
How's it going to Ontario? I'm good?

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Are you? Oh? I'm doing
good. It feels like just yesterday

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we were going out looking for some
bigfoot at a pretty cool location. We'll

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talk about that later. But is
there anything that you would like the listeners

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to know about you as well?
Well? Or is Iowa BFRO researcher pretty

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good? Yeah, that's pretty good. I also am with the Lowland's Bigfoot

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Group in Iowa, which is just
another sampling of people, some that are

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in the BFO, some are not, but we all just work together in

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digging out what we can about Bigfoot
here in Iowa. So I guess the

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first question, so listeners, So
I'm based out of Iowa. I think

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most listeners will know that I'm based
out of a little bit to the west

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of central Iowa. Ontario's and Iowa
as well, hence the focus on Iowa

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Bigfoot. But a lot of people
give me grief, and I'm sure you

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hear it a few times. There's
no chance Bigfoot could be in Iowa,

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Right, How does that even make
sense that it would be in the middle

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of cornfields? Yeah, you get
that pretty frequently as well. So what

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is what's your answer to that?
What kind of things do you bring up?

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Yeah, I think a lot of
people have a misconception about what Iowa

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looks like, or all of Iowa
looks like. I think people pretty much

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think it's just the flat cornfields,
not a lot of trees and a lot

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of hearts. And they're right about
a good chunk of Iowa. But along

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the rivers we have really lush,
green Belts and the further east and northeast

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you get into some pretty significant bluffs, which I've heard from a lot of

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people that they didn't expect to see
something that looked like that in Iowa,

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and especially along the Mississippi and the
Dubuque area. And as you get a

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little bit further north, you get
into more of the driftless area. And

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I talk about that quite a bit, but what the driftless area is When

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the icebergs were the glacier sorry we're
coming down in the last ice Age,

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they carved out quite a bit of
space and it made Iowa a little bit

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more flat. But there are areas
that I missed, and those areas are

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very forested. They're very thick of
a lot of water, and just as

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steep of limestone bluffs as you'd really
see anywhere. And what you'll see if

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you look at the dfrour or other
reports is a lot of the Bigfoot sightings

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and experiences are along those rivers green
belts along the eastern and northwestern or sorry,

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northeastern sections of Iowa. Absolutely,
the driftless is such an interesting area.

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I've been up to the northeast a
bit not to look for Bigfoot.

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But before I got into it,
I did go up to I believe that

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Effigy Mounds area up there in the
northeast. That's a pretty cool area.

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It's really close to Yellow River,
which is really oh yeah, it's probably

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five to ten minutes south of it. Yeah, that's where they filmed the

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Finding Bigfoot Iowa episode, which is
a great episode. Listeners if it is,

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haven't seen that episode. It's a
fun one. That's a good time.

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And then is Backbone up there as
well? Yeah? On the way

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that's around like the El Cater Fayetteville
area, which is another great place for

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bigfoot experiences historically and present day.
You set, that whole corridor has a

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lot of really great places. Yeah, Backbone has some weird stories come out

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out of it. If listeners go
back to the Rick Ralis episode, talk

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about it's a crazy bigfoot controlling an
orb story that comes out of Backbone State

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Park. But have you done any
any research in either of those places a

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Yellow River or Backbone, Ontario?
Haven't. I haven't done Backbone around the

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area, though I've done like Brushy
Creek Canyon, Grannis Creek, Volda is

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a good one that people will talk
about. But Yellow River, I've done

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a handful of things at I've been
up there on my own, I don't

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know, early summer last year exploring
some areas and another investigator had had pointed

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me too, and I was just
overwhelmed by how good of a spot it

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had the potential to be, and
ended up going up there early July with

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a couple other investigators for to night
three day big footing trip, which we

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didn't get a lot some interesting sounds
on an overnight recorder, but nothing super

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didn't give a whole lot of confirmation, But it's a good enough spot when

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I work with that moneymaker sometimes and
he pointed me to one of his favorite

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areas up in Yellow River, and
I put a game camera up there as

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well. So it's one of those
purchase that everybody talks about out where.

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It's a very high limestone bluff and
last time I climbed out there, there

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were no other footprints going up there, so it was just not a lot

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of people make the steed climbs up
the bluffs. But it overlooks a couple

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of different campgrounds and then also butts
up to a cornfield on top and then

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has one of the only bodies of
water up there if something wanted to drink

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and not go all the way down. So a lot of opportunities for watching,

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which I think we all know they're
pretty curious animals, and a good

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spot to just drink and then get
food, whether it's deer grain from the

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field man. Yeah, Yellow Rivers
on my list to check out so ever

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since I've talked a lot with you, Tate, some others, and there

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is so many places I need to
check us, specifically in the eastern part

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of the state. I just haven't
gotten to yet, but one that is

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definitely on my list is the Shimek
State Forest. That's just it's a very

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interesting area. For sure. I've
heard some weird stuff. I know that

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you are one of these researchers that
you are out there all the time.

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Have you ever had any weird stuff
you've experienced while you're out there that you

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feel comfortable sharing, you know,
anything that you don't want, of course

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don't, but yeah, a good
handful of stuff. And it goes into

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my whole theory that you know,
we probably don't have quite as many big

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photos someone like I don't know Texas
or Minnesota would have, but we have

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smaller areas than they are here.
I think they're a lot easier to find,

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which I think explains why I've had
a decent amount of stuff. We'll

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see. Last winter, I had
started looking at a semi small State County

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park area about two minutes from where
I was living, and it's only about

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nine hundred acres or so, but
like a lot of the other areas I

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was talking about, it connects via
the Wafsa River to much larger green belts

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into a lot of other areas,
and I feel pretty comfortable thinking that they

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probably move up and down. But
what I had that day was I was

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early February, I think, and
the snow had just started to melt,

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and so I figured to be a
good day to find any tracks, if

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there were any, because the mud
was starting to show, and so I

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started in. I was really the
only person in the park, and I

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had stopped a little bit into the
trail just wanted to listen to what was

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around me so I could figure out
what other animals with other birds I was

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sharing the space with. And after
I don't know a minute and a half

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or so, I heard what sounded
like a Louisville slugger hit a tree off

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to my right to the north off
trail, and then I don't know about

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ten fifteen seconds later something answered that
knock to the south side of the trail,

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which took me by major surprise because
that was one of the first times

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I had been out solely for the
purpose of big footing, and I said,

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man, I didn't think this was
supposed to happen so easily. And

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then I had worked that trail and
I was working over a service road and

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back down into a little valley,
and we're walking up the hill there and

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saw some snow had been disturbed and
there was a dirt showing, and it

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looked like something had been walking up
the hill and pressed its toes into the

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embankment and then kept going up.
Well, I ended up casting it and

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it had five toes, which is
really interesting. And while I was casting

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that either a tree was pushed down
or a tree broke, but it was

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really cleansed out all that. All
these things were happening in the same half

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an hour or so off to my
right, which was really fascinating. And

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I didn't have much more there the
rest of the year because the activity in

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the park picks up quite a bit
when it starts getting warm out, but

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after that. Just this last couple
of months ago, in December, I

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had been walking along the WAPSI,
so they figured if something was going to

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be in there, it would be
going down to the river bank at some

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point. So I'd gone off trail
and I was just sliding downhills trying to

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figure out where the low accessible areas
of the river banks were. And I

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had found a good spot and didn't
see any footprints or anything next to the

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water. So I had started just
walking back towards an embankment that goes very

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steep up to a service road that
the park maintenance trucks use, And as

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I was holing myself up with the
trees, I noticed four holes poked in

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the ground, and I was like, that's odd. And I usually when

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I see something that might be something, I'll spend the extra on twenty seconds

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and figure out if it is or
not. And so I started brushing the

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leaves away from it and uncovered what
looked like a palm impression under the where

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the holes were, and then a
thumb to the left that was just pushed

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into the ground. And I'd measured
it and it was about ten inches wide

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total with about a six inch palm, if that's what it is, which

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was really interesting. So I did
a three D scan of that before I

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casted it, and casted that or
casted that afterwards. As ironically, was

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just in that park earlier today and
I work in that same area, and

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I just haven't been able to find
anything else. But it's you know,

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it's suspicious, there's been I haven't
ever seen anything there, but it's a

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conglomeration of a lot of different things
that we think bigfoot do that were all

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happening in the same area, which
was really interesting, I think. But

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other than that, down we were
talking about Shimmick a little bit. It's

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a great park and it's right along
the De Moine River, I think is

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what it's called, what's as tributary
of the Mississippi. And it was down

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there with some investigators and some club
of people, and we had been driving

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in two different vehicles trying to find
our way to service road entrance, a

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service road entrance that led to a
trail, and I was in the first

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car and we had pulled in and
we had the mistake of having our windows

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up, so we couldn't hear what
was going on around us. We pulled

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in and it wasn't the road we
were looking for. So the driver was

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getting annoyed and pulled into the turnaround, whipt around and pulled out. Well,

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the other vehicle had followed us in
and they had their windows down,

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and right when we had pulled out
to get back on the highway, there

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were two really distinct knocks as we
were leaving that they heard. And once

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we had parked to try to figure
out where we were going, we heard

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from the other vehicle that they had
heard that, and so we pretty quickly

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turned around and spent the rest of
the evening there. And it's one of

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the few places I've heard my first
whoops, which was really interesting and just

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a handful of just odd stuff that
all the different groups experienced there. And

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I wish it was a little closer. It'd be a great spot to work.

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Shimmick was great, It's on my
list. It's multiple hours. We

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got the out back. Now it's
go time. Yeah, yeah, it's

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like a two hour drive for us. I need some more time down there.

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But there's a lot of good old
railroad cuts in the trees that I've

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always wanted to walk and the unfortunately, I think we're there in May,

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but it was probably one of the
tickiest places I've ever been, which took

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away from it a bit. But
have that big footing, It's true.

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The thing that one of the things
I really like about you is you're in

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the BFROO and you're really taking it
seriously. The fact where you are,

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I know you're constantly contacting people that
are submitting reports for the state of Iowa

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and other states too. Have there
been any favorite reports that you can maybe

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share some about. Yeah, there's
a good handful of ones specifically in Iowa

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I've done. The first one one
is really one of my favorites, and

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it was this elderly woman. She
had made this report might have been a

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few years ago, but unfortunately,
there just wasn't a lot of active investigators

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for Iowa at that time, so
a lot of good reports were just calling

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by the wayside. So start making
my way through the list to get caught

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up on those. And I called
this woman and from the Dubuque area,

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and off the bat, she was
very confused about who I was and why

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I was calling her about Bigfoot,
and I try not to prompt people too

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much. But I had said,
you had made a report a couple of

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years ago about a strange experience you
had as a counselor at a girl Scout

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camp, and she snapped to knowing
exactly what I was talking about, and

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just being very clear minded in an
instant, which really left an impression on

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me of the impacts of her experience
had had on her. But it was

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in the late fifties, I think, unfortunately Dubukee has not changed a lot

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since then. But she was working
at a girls Scout camp as a counselor

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and one night she had scene it's
a really big, kind of shadowy figure

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standing next to one of the buildings
on the property, and she had thought

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it was the husband of the camp
director. For the next day she had

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asked why he was standing out there
so lately, as I wasn't. And

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then the rest of the time she
was there, she was hearing her camp,

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the campers, the other counselors were
all hearing once everybody went to bed

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something walking through camp and pausing by
the tents where all the girls were sleeping,

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and it was it made her very
nervous, and she said that every

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single night, she was holding her
rosary in a bat because she was scared

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that something was going to come into
the tent. And once the girls had

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all gone home, I think she
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day or two after that, just
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and they started hearing these really weird, growling, long drawn out calls

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that she had never heard before along
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and it scared them all enough that
they called out the county deputies a

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few different times, and THEIG come
out and say, you know, I

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think you guys should just all sleep
in the lodge, you know where there's

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a locked door in case it was
a prowler. And Nig called them out

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like two or three times, and
the last time they had been called out,

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the guys had heard what they were
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ripping down big branches which they found, which I think she was saying,

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was like six inches in diameter,
and the deputies headed off to try to

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figure out what or who this was, and they ended up turning around because

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they didn't want to run into it, which was just concerting to say the

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least. But then that same woman
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her initial be at her report.
But a lot of times different stories will

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come out to when somebody starts feeling
comfortable talking to you. And she had

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said later on that summer, and
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has no idea what bigfoot is and
had never seen something like this being called

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a big fut until the PG film
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But she was with her parents.
Her dad was driving. Mom was in

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the front seat and she was in
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nineteen at this time, and they
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what I think was Della Hi,
Iowa. And they're driving down the road

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and her dad slams on the brakes. One says, what was that?

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two legged creature running across the road
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an Irish setter. So it was
like a road rich red color with a

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long, stringy hair, and she
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of a teenage boy. But it
ran across the road and in a very

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few steps put its hand on a
guard rail and swung itself down into a

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creek bed and then they couldn't see
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about what that was. And later
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it was on TV, it confirmed
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pretty suspicious of what she might have
experienced at that girl Scout camp. That

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is is probably my favorite report that
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because you're able to research it,
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ones. Man. I just love
that it's that is so cool and that

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is del High is up by dire
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up there, cascades up there,
But yeah, Dabuke's a fantastic area.

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It's one of my favorite ones to
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bit better. But there's so much
comes out of there. And just last

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April I had gone not the fight
of another report from a guy named Steve

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Moon, which some people be familiar
with. He used to be a VFRO

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investigator and isn't that Lowlands group,
but he had a friend reach out to

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him and who had been mushroom hunting
with his son in Dubuke, and as

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they were forging around, they started
having things thrown at them, like different

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rocks and sticks and like pine cones, and they started looking at trying to

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figure out what was going on,
and on one of the bluffs they saw

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a lot large black thing leaning back
and forth from behind a large boulder,

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which sounds a whole lot like a
big foot to me. And ever since

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I got that report, I've been
working that area pretty diligently. I've had

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things thrown at me once up there, but it caught me so off guard

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I really couldn't tell where it'd come
from. And then I had also five

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ten minutes after that, heard that's
that really weird zipper sound that people hear

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about, and it sounded like somebody
unzipped the backpack in the middle of the

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woods and there was no one else
around there. So it's really my only

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couple with experiences there. But it's
a great area. I mean, where

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Iwoa does get bears, they're in
Debuke, and I found mountain lion prints

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up there. It's right along the
Mississippi. It's just ample food and area

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to hide and really move around from
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Wisconsin, and it's all really easily
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makes it such a good spot.
Do you feel I'll give you two scenarios.

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Do you think there's it's more of
a migration type thing in Iowa or

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could we have some areas where they're
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I don't think that they migrate,
and I think that's an unpopular opinion

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when a lot of more educated bigfooters
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the Southeast Oklahoma thing where they have
a large radius that they typically operate in.

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I think you're talking about is the
area X where they believe they tagged

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one. It had been seen moving
up to sixty to seventy miles in any

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area, and I think that's exactly
what's happening, and it's just trying to

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figure out from there and predict where
they're going to be in what seasons.

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Like with the area I have really
close to me, I have only ever

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gotten activity there during the winter months
December to February. I think they are

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very aware of where people are in
what months. They could know very well

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that there's so few people in that
park when it's cold, so it's an

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okay area to move through, but
when it worms up, they're going to

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retreat into a lot thicker areas.
There are areas that really people just aren't

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going to, which could be up
to the Ubukee. I suspect that it

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might be a couple of different populations
a bigfoot, but it's really hard to

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know. But with Dubuque, there's
so many areas that they could move through.

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But I think the ones, especially
down here where I am, could

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be moving maybe all the way up
towards Backbone in Volga, but it's hard

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to know, right. I just
try to plot my own experiences in what

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months they happen, along with credible
witness reports to try to get an idea

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of where they might be so I
can put myself in those areas during those

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times to try to get myself the
best opportunity I can. When you're let's

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say you're trying to figure out an
area that would be good to potentially scout

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for looking for bigfoot? Are their
main things that you look for in an

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area before you actually, you know, go boots on the ground somewhere.

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Yeah, I like to pull up
Google Earth and get a feeling pot topography

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of the area. I have always
had my best luck around rivers, so

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I think a lot of the Bigfoot
in the Midwest probably are also eating the

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freshwater lands that we have in quite
an abundance. So I usually look for

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rivers or moving water thick are big
areas of forested areas that are connected to

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other ones, and then I also
try to look at where people have had

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their experiences in the past and make
sure that you see a lot of deer.

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There's a handful of locations around me
that look great, but the area

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where I get the most from has
an overabundance of deer. Usually every time

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I go there. It's odd if
I don't see ten or fifteen deer,

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and I think that's a great food
source that they're probably exploiting. In the

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areas that I have deer, but
I don't see them as much. I

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don't get near as much activity.
So you want to look at game trails,

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figure out where the animals are moving, what kind of animals that they

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could be exploiting. It makes total
sense that they'd have to be a super

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huge food source or an overabundance of
food, like you're saying the deer there.

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We've talked a lot about the eastern
part of the state. I'm just

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curious as a researcher, have you
picked up anything recently from the western side

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of the state at all. Yeah, Yeah, there was one I talked

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to either last fall or last summer. I can't remember exactly where it was,

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but it was in southwestern Iowa.
I think it was quite a while

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ago, in the late nineties.
But this gentleman who turned out to be

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an anthropologist when he went on to
school and was a hunter, and he

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was hunting with his dog and through
this area. It's like a natural prairie

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with trees, and I think it
was close to the Skunk River, but

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I could be mistaken. But he
had gone to the top of a little

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berm and I just got to get
a drink. And he noticed his dog

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pointing and growling towards this really high
grass that butted up to a tree in

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a river. And he looked over
there and he saw over the blue stem,

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which is six or seven foot tall
grass, he saw the shoulders and

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head of this dark, furry or
hairy looking animal walking and he could start

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like the different areas where the grass
density changed. He could see how its

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legs moved and noted what an unusual
gait that was for something, which I

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think is an important part of that
story, given the fact that he was

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going to school for anthropology and would
have been familiar with those things. That's

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a really good one I think from
that area. But the Skunk River will

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pop up in a lot of historical
reports, and I think you're seeing that

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too with your own research. And
unfortunately I haven't spent as much time looking

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at western Iowa just because it's a
lot harder for me to get to when

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I have Eastern Iowa so close.
But there there's really no shortage of reports,

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and a lot of those will run
into Nebraska and on Missouri, which

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you're all very close to that area
too. Oh yeah, I agree with

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you definitely. The Skunk River does
come up. And another one that's come

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up for me quite a bit,
and from even just reports taking it from

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festivals locally like the Vanyat or Visitor
Festival is the Raccoon River. Is a

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lot of sightings and different parts of
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So listeners who are familiar with Iowa, definitely keep that in mind. If

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you're familiar with where the Raccoon River
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It all comes down to pretty much
like Robert W. Morgan said in his

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book, it's draw one hundred mile
radius around where you're at, figure out

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where the best is so you don't
have to drive too far, and just

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becoming the best at what you do
in your area, which you're definitely doing

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out and you're part of the state
I'm trying. Yeah, definitely, let's

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talk about let's talk about believe it
was last August, right, yep,

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late August. Yeah, So for
listeners, we'll get you up to speed.

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The last two years, I've gone
out with Tate Hieronymus, who's a

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bigfoot researcher. First year in listeners
are aware this The first year Tate and

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I went out to this area in
Iowa and we had some interesting things happened.

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We had a tree get pushed over
in front of our camp. We

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recorded tree knocks, I recorded a
zipper noise at three am in the morning

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on the last night. And then
this last summer, Tate's the one who's

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the organizer of the weekend and opened
it up to some other people, so

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we had myself, Tate Ontario was
there. Ron Reid, another researcher,

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was there as well, and both
weekends. You can see Tate has documentaries

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about and his Sasquatch a Search for
Save series on his YouTube channel. But

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what were some things that you observed
that weekend? Ontario? You know,

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it looks like just another really good
Iowa spot. There's a lot of animals

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signed everywhere. And another thing that
I really liked was there really weren't that

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many people there when we were there, which is pretty ideal, so you

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know that you're not getting cross contamination
from other people. But it was it

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was a really fun weekend. I
hadn't met a lot of you in person.

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I had talked to a handful of
you quite a bit online, so

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that was it was the blast,
just getting together and trying out different research

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techniques that everybody some other people might
use, like Kate would use versus things

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that I would use, and just
learning from each other. But the one

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thing that sticks out to me even
now was that that first night we really

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just focused on making a scene drawn
attention and towards the camp with the laser

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show music. We're all just hanging
out and laughing and by the fire.

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We did a little bit of night
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night was the one that I know
sticks out to you and me the most.

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And I think if what we had
was what we're there for, I

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think I probably came in a lot
closer because of all the activity we're having

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in camp the day before, just
between all of us, that's still that

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night. It's just it still feels
like it was last like just yesterday.

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Is that That's the weirdest thing Ontario. So many still kicking myself for not

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checking the batteries on my recorder,
which is like it's just the thing that

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you learn, right, Like I
didn't get the whole night recorded because I

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didn't put fresh batteries in it,
and I would have had plenty of st

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card space. That second night,
we went out for an extended kind of

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night expedition. From what I remember, was that the night we were split

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into groups, or was that we
were all together. I think we were

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not sure we could have split up, but I think we were all all

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together and we just wanted to walk
the road from camp and gob a road

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from camp and try to follow it
to a path and kind of circle on

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back around to camp and we walked
for a while. We'd stop and let

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off some whoops and some knocks,
and I think we kicked up coyotes a

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handful of times, but didn't have
a whole lot. But shoot, if

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I back up, I'd forgotten this
part before we were Before we went out

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that night, Tate's friend Luke had
come out and the Tate had recorded a

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video, yeah, of Luke singing
which just has a fantastic voice and playing

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get and we were just after that. We were also messing around and Luke

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hadn't really been out big footing before, and so we were just playing some

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recordings what we do, what we're
looking for, and we had played the

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Seers sounds out loud. Yeah I'm
a speaker, and we all heard this

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really long, drawn out how pretty
far from where we were, but every

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I think everybody had stopped in their
place and ran around trying to grab gear

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to get a recorder on or something, and it was weird. That's typically

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how it is. It's too early
for my long duration night recorder to kick

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on automatically, and we just didn't
think anything was going to happen, yet

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that's usually how those things go.
And then I think after that we headed

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out on that night offs pretty soon
afterwards, and we had seen what we

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thought was possibly some eyeglow, but
it ended up being fireflys if I remember

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right. And I think we were
all just really just worn out from the

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heat towards the end of that night, and so after doing some whoops with

407
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:20.559
no response, we headed back into
camp and bund up the night. I

408
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:24.960
think around maybe eleven thirty or midnight, which is early for the grand scheme

409
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:30.000
of things. I was car camping, and something I do whenever I go

410
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.760
out at night, and you typically
have my windows rolled down with some sleeves

411
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.119
to keep the bugs out, you
know, Tate was car camping. You

412
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:45.920
and Ron were intense. We all
just got checked into our respective sleeping areas

413
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.679
and tried to fall asleep. And
I don't I think maybe forty forty five

414
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:57.639
minutes after we had laid down,
and I don't I have never been uncomfortable

415
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.639
sleeping in my car once when all
the different times I I've been out at

416
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.239
night fall right asleep. They usually
stay asleep and sleep really well. But

417
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:09.079
it was something was just off and
I was starting to drift off and I

418
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:15.239
heard like a car door close,
and it's what's important to know that we're

419
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.519
on a dead end of a long
gravel area, so there's no other cars

420
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.679
around other than our vehicles there.
And I papped on my phone quick and

421
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.119
sent you attacks and Tate attacks,
and I think Ron and Ron was asleep,

422
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.119
you know, you and Tate were
still up. And I said,

423
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.320
did you guys just close your car
door? And You're said nope, and

424
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:45.039
that you guys had heard that too, which is interesting because big Fetter known

425
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.199
to mimic sounds, whether it's a
zipper like you had heard in the year

426
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.480
before, or car doors are a
really common one. That they could just

427
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.239
be lurking around and listening to all
the sounds you're making in camp and try

428
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.360
to mimic those out of curiosity.
So I heard that and as like,

429
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.719
this is odd. Nobody had left
their cars or their tents, and I

430
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.199
think I fell asleep very lightly,
So I was pretty on edge after that

431
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:20.360
and woke up again around three ish
and heard a car door again, and

432
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:27.360
then a bunch of sounded like feet
running around in the gravel on the roads,

433
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.239
and I was just on red alert. After that, I just laid

434
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.840
there staring at the ceiling of my
cart. I want to look, I

435
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:40.280
don't want to look, you know
what? What on earth was making these

436
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:47.159
sounds? And I also remember from
that night the coyotes were just insane.

437
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.400
Things were kicking off, the coyotes
all around camp. And I remember waking

438
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.760
up pretty early because I did not
sleep much that night, and I got

439
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.480
out and went over to the fire, and you were up pretty soon after

440
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.719
that too, and I just walked
over to you, and I think we

441
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.639
both pretty much said at the same
time, what a weird freaking night that

442
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.519
was, because we were all hearing
a lot of the same sounds, or

443
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.880
at least you and I were exactly. And to fill it up, fill

444
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:24.119
in a little bit from my side. So what I personally experienced was,

445
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:31.280
so I'm in a tent on the
kind of outskirts of camp area, and

446
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:37.440
it was between the three to three
thirty am, So I was gone to

447
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:43.840
sleep, sleeping not so well because
of what had happened earlier, and I

448
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:50.119
woke up to hearing two whoops way
out in the woods, and I remember

449
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.159
that the first thought I had was, why is Ontario out in the woods

450
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:59.800
doing woops because they sounded very similar
to the whoops you had been doing earlier.

451
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.679
People been hearing that Tate's documentary too, if they're curious about those.

452
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.960
True. Yeah, Unfortunately did not
get those recorded because my recorder was out

453
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:14.920
of batteries. I believe incorrect me
if I'm wrong. But also Ron had

454
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:20.239
heard some things around that time of
night too, right, he did the

455
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.599
opposite side of camp from me,
down the long gravel that we had walked

456
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:28.880
that night before, is I want
to say, and you know it was

457
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.119
like a long call was heard.
Yeah, yeah, I was. I

458
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:38.119
think we all were just bamboozled that
next morning. I remember even Tate said

459
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:43.599
he heard that first card or shut
and he was really confused about what that

460
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.840
was as well. And I think
that I touched on it earlier. But

461
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:52.679
I think that mimicry is important because
it's something that you guys experienced the year

462
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:59.960
prior there with intends outside your yeah, outside your tent. It's just it's

463
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:06.719
there's not a lot of people around
where we were. It's just it was

464
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.280
a weird night. It's very unsettling. Still weirds me out when I think

465
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:15.599
about it. But I definitely want
to go back again someday, maybe a

466
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.599
little bit more prepared. Of course, every time you want to be better

467
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.840
prepared. Do you think going through
that weekend, how do you feel about

468
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:30.679
that area for you think there's potentially
some bigfoot there or what was your I

469
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.679
think there definitely could be. Yeah, I think there definitely could be.

470
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.159
I think you guys had gone more
action than we did that last trip out

471
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.599
there. I think we had had
knocks too, which is pretty compelling.

472
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.320
I personally haven't spent enough time there
to really give a definitive answer, but

473
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:52.239
I think they probably were there that
night and at least that month or the

474
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.159
year before, which I think you
guys went around the same time of the

475
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.440
year, didn't you. It is
very close. Yeah, it was like,

476
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:05.920
yeah, same time of summer,
very hot. Yeah, very similar,

477
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.480
which is important too, I think
because if an area doesn't change a

478
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:15.840
lot, there's no reason why they
wouldn't stay around there exactly. Yeah,

479
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.559
that's a good point. It's just
weird. The one thing Tate told me

480
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.000
the first time was like, this
is very not normal for us to get

481
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:30.679
so much action, and then the
second time get even you know, I

482
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:37.639
view it as crazier actually hearing vocals. I thought I would never hear vocals,

483
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.360
and just it's just it's my opening
experience when it happened the first time.

484
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.199
Some weird stuff for sure, but
it definitely you know, that whole

485
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.079
experience wasn't a visual, but it
was enough that now in my mind there's

486
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.320
no doubt that it's the whole thing
is actually real. I would say.

487
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.840
Prior to that, I was like
a ninety nine percent right, Yeah,

488
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.639
well, I think we're all that
way. You know, even the people

489
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.119
that are spend so much time doing
this and are so firm in their beliefs,

490
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:12.280
we still waver from time to time, and those experiences, especially when

491
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.320
they're a little bit more common at
night, are important to share that up.

492
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.920
Others times, I still I find
myself wavering, but then something happens

493
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.360
and i'm you know, I always
think that they're real. I always believe

494
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.239
that they're there, but sometimes it's
hard to be like, why would they

495
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.079
be here where I am? Why
have all the places? Would we overlap?

496
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.400
And things happen and it just sures
up that you have an idea of

497
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.360
what these things are doing and where
they're at, and it helps push you

498
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.119
forward till the next time or till
the time you eventually have a visual.

499
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.639
Oh yeah, to me, it
makes sense that they would be there.

500
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.000
It just does if you think big
picture. But it is weird if you're

501
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.760
just thinking about like Iowa and you
don't know all the if you're not a

502
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:05.519
Iowa big Foot nerd, but if
you are, you get it. But

503
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.960
yeah, we live and eye by
it proven why they'd be here. Yeah,

504
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:15.599
sure, Yeah, it's fun.
Hopefully next big goal is if there's

505
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.119
ever another Iowa bfro outing. Would
love to check that out, maybe in

506
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.559
the next few years, if it
ever happens again. But it's it is

507
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:28.920
really fun when you're actually able to
go out look for stuff in your home

508
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.480
state. But Ontario, I'm so
glad that I was able to finally have

509
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.840
you on and be able to talk
about bigfoot. Thank you so much for

510
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:44.360
coming on. If people would like
to reach out to you about bigfoot things

511
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.239
that any questions, is there a
way they can keep up to date follow

512
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:53.239
you online stuff like that. Yeah, the spot's probably Instagram with the handle

513
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.840
of Midwest Bigfoot. Once you click
on that, you'll see Ontario the Midwest

514
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.519
big Foot pop up. And that's
definitely where I am most active in posting

515
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.840
things. I have a Twitter that
you could definitely use as well, folthough

516
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.800
I'm a little bit slower to upload
there, which is my own faults.

517
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:14.159
So probably those two would be the
best places to get a hold of me.

518
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.880
If you have any questions or any
experiences an Io what you might want

519
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.559
to talk about. That's awesome,
good stuff. Yeah, if you've never

520
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.719
been able to talk to Ontario,
if you ever get a chance to meet

521
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:29.519
her at a conference or something,
please make sure you do. She is

522
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.559
a great researcher. Highly recommend being
able to chat with her. But thank

523
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.519
you so much for coming on Ontario. Yeah, thank you, jamm.

524
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.840
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bigfoot encounter related to the following,
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