Second Iowa Bigfoot Expedition Report with Ontario Richardson

0:00 Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In this episode, I talked to Ontario Richardson and Iowa based bigfoot researcher about her current research in the state, her favorite cases, and we provide a report on last summer's Iowa Bigfoot expedition. If you have experienced something similar to what Ontario has, or have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same area, please reach out immediately to me after this episode. Remember, your encounter could be the key to unlocking this mystery once and for all, so please don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. All right, big for Society got the privilege of talking to a good friend, Ontario Richardson. She's with the BFRO in Iowa. She's a researcher there. How's it going to Ontario? I'm good?

0:44 Are you? Oh? I'm doing good. It feels like just yesterday we were going out looking for some bigfoot at a pretty cool location. We'll talk about that later. But is there anything that you would like the listeners to know about you as well? Well? Or is Iowa BFRO researcher pretty good? Yeah, that's pretty good. I also am with the Lowland's Bigfoot Group in Iowa, which is just another sampling of people, some that are in the BFO, some are not, but we all just work together in digging out what we can about Bigfoot here in Iowa. So I guess the first question, so listeners, So I'm based out of Iowa. I think most listeners will know that I'm based out of a little bit to the west of central Iowa. Ontario's and Iowa as well, hence the focus on Iowa Bigfoot. But a lot of people give me grief, and I'm sure you hear it a few times. There's no chance Bigfoot could be in Iowa, Right, How does that even make sense that it would be in the middle of cornfields? Yeah, you get that pretty frequently as well. So what is what's your answer to that? What kind of things do you bring up?

2:02 Yeah, I think a lot of people have a misconception about what Iowa looks like, or all of Iowa looks like. I think people pretty much think it's just the flat cornfields, not a lot of trees and a lot of hearts. And they're right about a good chunk of Iowa. But along the rivers we have really lush, green Belts and the further east and northeast you get into some pretty significant bluffs, which I've heard from a lot of people that they didn't expect to see something that looked like that in Iowa, and especially along the Mississippi and the Dubuque area. And as you get a little bit further north, you get into more of the driftless area. And I talk about that quite a bit, but what the driftless area is When the icebergs were the glacier sorry we're coming down in the last ice Age, they carved out quite a bit of space and it made Iowa a little bit more flat. But there are areas that I missed, and those areas are very forested. They're very thick of a lot of water, and just as steep of limestone bluffs as you'd really see anywhere. And what you'll see if you look at the dfrour or other reports is a lot of the Bigfoot sightings and experiences are along those rivers green belts along the eastern and northwestern or sorry,

3:36 northeastern sections of Iowa. Absolutely, the driftless is such an interesting area. I've been up to the northeast a bit not to look for Bigfoot. But before I got into it, I did go up to I believe that Effigy Mounds area up there in the northeast. That's a pretty cool area. It's really close to Yellow River, which is really oh yeah, it's probably five to ten minutes south of it. Yeah, that's where they filmed the Finding Bigfoot Iowa episode, which is a great episode. Listeners if it is, haven't seen that episode. It's a fun one. That's a good time. And then is Backbone up there as well? Yeah? On the way that's around like the El Cater Fayetteville area, which is another great place for bigfoot experiences historically and present day. You set, that whole corridor has a lot of really great places. Yeah, Backbone has some weird stories come out out of it. If listeners go back to the Rick Ralis episode, talk about it's a crazy bigfoot controlling an orb story that comes out of Backbone State Park. But have you done any any research in either of those places a Yellow River or Backbone, Ontario? Haven't. I haven't done Backbone around the area, though I've done like Brushy Creek Canyon, Grannis Creek, Volda is a good one that people will talk about. But Yellow River, I've done

5:09 a handful of things at I've been up there on my own, I don't know, early summer last year exploring some areas and another investigator had had pointed me too, and I was just overwhelmed by how good of a spot it had the potential to be, and ended up going up there early July with a couple other investigators for to night three day big footing trip, which we didn't get a lot some interesting sounds on an overnight recorder, but nothing super didn't give a whole lot of confirmation, But it's a good enough spot when I work with that moneymaker sometimes and he pointed me to one of his favorite areas up in Yellow River, and I put a game camera up there as well. So it's one of those purchase that everybody talks about out where.

6:00 It's a very high limestone bluff and last time I climbed out there, there were no other footprints going up there, so it was just not a lot of people make the steed climbs up the bluffs. But it overlooks a couple of different campgrounds and then also butts up to a cornfield on top and then has one of the only bodies of water up there if something wanted to drink and not go all the way down. So a lot of opportunities for watching, which I think we all know they're pretty curious animals, and a good spot to just drink and then get food, whether it's deer grain from the field man. Yeah, Yellow Rivers on my list to check out so ever since I've talked a lot with you, Tate, some others, and there is so many places I need to check us, specifically in the eastern part of the state. I just haven't gotten to yet, but one that is definitely on my list is the Shimek State Forest. That's just it's a very interesting area. For sure. I've heard some weird stuff. I know that you are one of these researchers that you are out there all the time.

7:12 Have you ever had any weird stuff you've experienced while you're out there that you feel comfortable sharing, you know, anything that you don't want, of course don't, but yeah, a good handful of stuff. And it goes into my whole theory that you know, we probably don't have quite as many big photos someone like I don't know Texas or Minnesota would have, but we have smaller areas than they are here. I think they're a lot easier to find, which I think explains why I've had a decent amount of stuff. We'll see. Last winter, I had started looking at a semi small State County park area about two minutes from where I was living, and it's only about nine hundred acres or so, but like a lot of the other areas I was talking about, it connects via the Wafsa River to much larger green belts into a lot of other areas, and I feel pretty comfortable thinking that they probably move up and down. But what I had that day was I was early February, I think, and the snow had just started to melt, and so I figured to be a good day to find any tracks, if there were any, because the mud was starting to show, and so I started in. I was really the only person in the park, and I had stopped a little bit into the trail just wanted to listen to what was around me so I could figure out what other animals with other birds I was

8:45 sharing the space with. And after I don't know a minute and a half or so, I heard what sounded like a Louisville slugger hit a tree off to my right to the north off trail, and then I don't know about ten fifteen seconds later something answered that knock to the south side of the trail, which took me by major surprise because that was one of the first times I had been out solely for the purpose of big footing, and I said, man, I didn't think this was supposed to happen so easily. And then I had worked that trail and I was working over a service road and back down into a little valley, and we're walking up the hill there and saw some snow had been disturbed and there was a dirt showing, and it looked like something had been walking up the hill and pressed its toes into the embankment and then kept going up. Well, I ended up casting it and it had five toes, which is really interesting. And while I was casting that either a tree was pushed down or a tree broke, but it was really cleansed out all that. All these things were happening in the same half an hour or so off to my right, which was really fascinating. And I didn't have much more there the rest of the year because the activity in the park picks up quite a bit when it starts getting warm out, but

10:15 after that. Just this last couple of months ago, in December, I had been walking along the WAPSI, so they figured if something was going to be in there, it would be going down to the river bank at some point. So I'd gone off trail and I was just sliding downhills trying to figure out where the low accessible areas of the river banks were. And I had found a good spot and didn't see any footprints or anything next to the water. So I had started just walking back towards an embankment that goes very steep up to a service road that the park maintenance trucks use, And as I was holing myself up with the trees, I noticed four holes poked in the ground, and I was like, that's odd. And I usually when I see something that might be something, I'll spend the extra on twenty seconds and figure out if it is or not. And so I started brushing the leaves away from it and uncovered what looked like a palm impression under the where the holes were, and then a thumb to the left that was just pushed into the ground. And I'd measured it and it was about ten inches wide total with about a six inch palm, if that's what it is, which was really interesting. So I did a three D scan of that before I casted it, and casted that or casted that afterwards. As ironically, was just in that park earlier today and I work in that same area, and

11:48 I just haven't been able to find anything else. But it's you know, it's suspicious, there's been I haven't ever seen anything there, but it's a conglomeration of a lot of different things that we think bigfoot do that were all happening in the same area, which was really interesting, I think. But other than that, down we were talking about Shimmick a little bit. It's a great park and it's right along the De Moine River, I think is what it's called, what's as tributary of the Mississippi. And it was down there with some investigators and some club of people, and we had been driving in two different vehicles trying to find our way to service road entrance, a service road entrance that led to a trail, and I was in the first car and we had pulled in and we had the mistake of having our windows up, so we couldn't hear what was going on around us. We pulled in and it wasn't the road we were looking for. So the driver was getting annoyed and pulled into the turnaround, whipt around and pulled out. Well, the other vehicle had followed us in and they had their windows down, and right when we had pulled out to get back on the highway, there were two really distinct knocks as we were leaving that they heard. And once we had parked to try to figure out where we were going, we heard

13:20 from the other vehicle that they had heard that, and so we pretty quickly turned around and spent the rest of the evening there. And it's one of the few places I've heard my first whoops, which was really interesting and just a handful of just odd stuff that all the different groups experienced there. And I wish it was a little closer. It'd be a great spot to work. Shimmick was great, It's on my list. It's multiple hours. We got the out back. Now it's go time. Yeah, yeah, it's like a two hour drive for us. I need some more time down there. But there's a lot of good old railroad cuts in the trees that I've always wanted to walk and the unfortunately, I think we're there in May, but it was probably one of the tickiest places I've ever been, which took away from it a bit. But have that big footing, It's true.

14:11 The thing that one of the things I really like about you is you're in the BFROO and you're really taking it seriously. The fact where you are, I know you're constantly contacting people that are submitting reports for the state of Iowa and other states too. Have there been any favorite reports that you can maybe share some about. Yeah, there's a good handful of ones specifically in Iowa I've done. The first one one is really one of my favorites, and it was this elderly woman. She had made this report might have been a few years ago, but unfortunately, there just wasn't a lot of active investigators for Iowa at that time, so a lot of good reports were just calling by the wayside. So start making my way through the list to get caught up on those. And I called this woman and from the Dubuque area, and off the bat, she was very confused about who I was and why I was calling her about Bigfoot, and I try not to prompt people too much. But I had said, you had made a report a couple of years ago about a strange experience you had as a counselor at a girl Scout camp, and she snapped to knowing exactly what I was talking about, and just being very clear minded in an instant, which really left an impression on me of the impacts of her experience had had on her. But it was

15:43 in the late fifties, I think, unfortunately Dubukee has not changed a lot since then. But she was working at a girls Scout camp as a counselor and one night she had scene it's a really big, kind of shadowy figure standing next to one of the buildings on the property, and she had thought it was the husband of the camp director. For the next day she had asked why he was standing out there so lately, as I wasn't. And then the rest of the time she was there, she was hearing her camp, the campers, the other counselors were all hearing once everybody went to bed something walking through camp and pausing by the tents where all the girls were sleeping, and it was it made her very nervous, and she said that every single night, she was holding her rosary in a bat because she was scared that something was going to come into the tent. And once the girls had all gone home, I think she was she had said that they stayed extra day or two after that, just to get everything buttoned up after their stay, and they started hearing these really weird, growling, long drawn out calls that she had never heard before along a creek that runs next to the property, and it scared them all enough that they called out the county deputies a

17:18 few different times, and THEIG come out and say, you know, I think you guys should just all sleep in the lodge, you know where there's a locked door in case it was a prowler. And Nig called them out like two or three times, and the last time they had been called out, the guys had heard what they were talking about, and there was something ripping down big branches which they found, which I think she was saying, was like six inches in diameter, and the deputies headed off to try to figure out what or who this was, and they ended up turning around because they didn't want to run into it, which was just concerting to say the least. But then that same woman and she didn't even mention this one in her initial be at her report. But a lot of times different stories will come out to when somebody starts feeling comfortable talking to you. And she had said later on that summer, and I should say at this point, she has no idea what bigfoot is and had never seen something like this being called a big fut until the PG film came out a couple of years later.

18:23 But she was with her parents. Her dad was driving. Mom was in the front seat and she was in the back. She was in eighteen or nineteen at this time, and they were driving back from visiting her grandpa in what I think was Della Hi, Iowa. And they're driving down the road and her dad slams on the brakes. One says, what was that? And she looks up just in time, and in their headlights she sees this two legged creature running across the road that she said looked like the color of an Irish setter. So it was like a road rich red color with a long, stringy hair, and she said it seemed almost like this the shape of a teenage boy. But it ran across the road and in a very few steps put its hand on a guard rail and swung itself down into a creek bed and then they couldn't see it anymore, and they were very confused about what that was. And later on when the PG film came out and it was on TV, it confirmed her that's what she saw and made her pretty suspicious of what she might have experienced at that girl Scout camp. That is is probably my favorite report that I've heard come out of Iowa, and because you're able to research it, it's one of the more recent out there ones. Man. I just love that it's that is so cool and that

19:56 is del High is up by dire I think yep, towards the Dubuque diersvills up there, cascades up there, But yeah, Dabuke's a fantastic area. It's one of my favorite ones to work, especially when the weather's a little bit better. But there's so much comes out of there. And just last April I had gone not the fight of another report from a guy named Steve Moon, which some people be familiar with. He used to be a VFRO investigator and isn't that Lowlands group, but he had a friend reach out to him and who had been mushroom hunting with his son in Dubuke, and as they were forging around, they started having things thrown at them, like different rocks and sticks and like pine cones, and they started looking at trying to figure out what was going on, and on one of the bluffs they saw a lot large black thing leaning back and forth from behind a large boulder, which sounds a whole lot like a big foot to me. And ever since I got that report, I've been working that area pretty diligently. I've had things thrown at me once up there, but it caught me so off guard I really couldn't tell where it'd come from. And then I had also five ten minutes after that, heard that's that really weird zipper sound that people hear

21:30 about, and it sounded like somebody unzipped the backpack in the middle of the woods and there was no one else around there. So it's really my only couple with experiences there. But it's a great area. I mean, where Iwoa does get bears, they're in Debuke, and I found mountain lion prints up there. It's right along the Mississippi. It's just ample food and area to hide and really move around from Illinois to the rest of Iowa up to Wisconsin, and it's all really easily accessed, which I think is why it makes it such a good spot. Do you feel I'll give you two scenarios. Do you think there's it's more of a migration type thing in Iowa or could we have some areas where they're hanging out like a Southeast Oklahoma type deal.

22:22 I don't think that they migrate, and I think that's an unpopular opinion when a lot of more educated bigfooters start talking about Iowa. I think it's the Southeast Oklahoma thing where they have a large radius that they typically operate in. I think you're talking about is the area X where they believe they tagged one. It had been seen moving up to sixty to seventy miles in any area, and I think that's exactly what's happening, and it's just trying to figure out from there and predict where they're going to be in what seasons. Like with the area I have really close to me, I have only ever gotten activity there during the winter months December to February. I think they are very aware of where people are in what months. They could know very well that there's so few people in that park when it's cold, so it's an okay area to move through, but when it worms up, they're going to retreat into a lot thicker areas. There are areas that really people just aren't going to, which could be up to the Ubukee. I suspect that it might be a couple of different populations a bigfoot, but it's really hard to know. But with Dubuque, there's so many areas that they could move through.

23:38 But I think the ones, especially down here where I am, could be moving maybe all the way up towards Backbone in Volga, but it's hard to know, right. I just try to plot my own experiences in what months they happen, along with credible witness reports to try to get an idea of where they might be so I can put myself in those areas during those times to try to get myself the best opportunity I can. When you're let's say you're trying to figure out an area that would be good to potentially scout for looking for bigfoot? Are their main things that you look for in an area before you actually, you know, go boots on the ground somewhere.

24:29 Yeah, I like to pull up Google Earth and get a feeling pot topography of the area. I have always had my best luck around rivers, so I think a lot of the Bigfoot in the Midwest probably are also eating the freshwater lands that we have in quite an abundance. So I usually look for rivers or moving water thick are big areas of forested areas that are connected to other ones, and then I also try to look at where people have had their experiences in the past and make sure that you see a lot of deer. There's a handful of locations around me that look great, but the area where I get the most from has an overabundance of deer. Usually every time I go there. It's odd if I don't see ten or fifteen deer, and I think that's a great food source that they're probably exploiting. In the areas that I have deer, but I don't see them as much. I don't get near as much activity. So you want to look at game trails, figure out where the animals are moving, what kind of animals that they could be exploiting. It makes total sense that they'd have to be a super huge food source or an overabundance of food, like you're saying the deer there.

25:47 We've talked a lot about the eastern part of the state. I'm just curious as a researcher, have you picked up anything recently from the western side of the state at all. Yeah, Yeah, there was one I talked to either last fall or last summer. I can't remember exactly where it was, but it was in southwestern Iowa. I think it was quite a while ago, in the late nineties. But this gentleman who turned out to be an anthropologist when he went on to school and was a hunter, and he was hunting with his dog and through this area. It's like a natural prairie with trees, and I think it was close to the Skunk River, but I could be mistaken. But he had gone to the top of a little berm and I just got to get a drink. And he noticed his dog pointing and growling towards this really high grass that butted up to a tree in a river. And he looked over there and he saw over the blue stem, which is six or seven foot tall grass, he saw the shoulders and head of this dark, furry or hairy looking animal walking and he could start like the different areas where the grass density changed. He could see how its

27:18 legs moved and noted what an unusual gait that was for something, which I think is an important part of that story, given the fact that he was going to school for anthropology and would have been familiar with those things. That's a really good one I think from that area. But the Skunk River will pop up in a lot of historical reports, and I think you're seeing that too with your own research. And unfortunately I haven't spent as much time looking at western Iowa just because it's a lot harder for me to get to when I have Eastern Iowa so close. But there there's really no shortage of reports, and a lot of those will run into Nebraska and on Missouri, which you're all very close to that area too. Oh yeah, I agree with you definitely. The Skunk River does come up. And another one that's come up for me quite a bit, and from even just reports taking it from festivals locally like the Vanyat or Visitor Festival is the Raccoon River. Is a lot of sightings and different parts of the Raccoon River from over the years.

28:30 So listeners who are familiar with Iowa, definitely keep that in mind. If you're familiar with where the Raccoon River is in Iowa, it's good stuff. It all comes down to pretty much like Robert W. Morgan said in his book, it's draw one hundred mile radius around where you're at, figure out where the best is so you don't have to drive too far, and just becoming the best at what you do in your area, which you're definitely doing out and you're part of the state I'm trying. Yeah, definitely, let's talk about let's talk about believe it was last August, right, yep, late August. Yeah, So for listeners, we'll get you up to speed.

29:14 The last two years, I've gone out with Tate Hieronymus, who's a bigfoot researcher. First year in listeners are aware this The first year Tate and I went out to this area in Iowa and we had some interesting things happened. We had a tree get pushed over in front of our camp. We recorded tree knocks, I recorded a zipper noise at three am in the morning on the last night. And then this last summer, Tate's the one who's the organizer of the weekend and opened it up to some other people, so we had myself, Tate Ontario was there. Ron Reid, another researcher, was there as well, and both weekends. You can see Tate has documentaries about and his Sasquatch a Search for Save series on his YouTube channel. But what were some things that you observed that weekend? Ontario? You know, it looks like just another really good Iowa spot. There's a lot of animals signed everywhere. And another thing that I really liked was there really weren't that many people there when we were there, which is pretty ideal, so you know that you're not getting cross contamination from other people. But it was it was a really fun weekend. I hadn't met a lot of you in person.

30:34 I had talked to a handful of you quite a bit online, so that was it was the blast, just getting together and trying out different research techniques that everybody some other people might use, like Kate would use versus things that I would use, and just learning from each other. But the one thing that sticks out to me even now was that that first night we really just focused on making a scene drawn attention and towards the camp with the laser show music. We're all just hanging out and laughing and by the fire. We did a little bit of night ops that first night, but that second night was the one that I know sticks out to you and me the most.

31:15 And I think if what we had was what we're there for, I think I probably came in a lot closer because of all the activity we're having in camp the day before, just between all of us, that's still that night. It's just it still feels like it was last like just yesterday. Is that That's the weirdest thing Ontario. So many still kicking myself for not checking the batteries on my recorder, which is like it's just the thing that you learn, right, Like I didn't get the whole night recorded because I didn't put fresh batteries in it, and I would have had plenty of st card space. That second night, we went out for an extended kind of night expedition. From what I remember, was that the night we were split into groups, or was that we were all together. I think we were not sure we could have split up, but I think we were all all together and we just wanted to walk the road from camp and gob a road from camp and try to follow it to a path and kind of circle on back around to camp and we walked for a while. We'd stop and let off some whoops and some knocks, and I think we kicked up coyotes a handful of times, but didn't have a whole lot. But shoot, if I back up, I'd forgotten this part before we were Before we went out

32:50 that night, Tate's friend Luke had come out and the Tate had recorded a video, yeah, of Luke singing which just has a fantastic voice and playing get and we were just after that. We were also messing around and Luke hadn't really been out big footing before, and so we were just playing some recordings what we do, what we're looking for, and we had played the Seers sounds out loud. Yeah I'm a speaker, and we all heard this really long, drawn out how pretty far from where we were, but every I think everybody had stopped in their place and ran around trying to grab gear to get a recorder on or something, and it was weird. That's typically how it is. It's too early for my long duration night recorder to kick on automatically, and we just didn't think anything was going to happen, yet that's usually how those things go. And then I think after that we headed out on that night offs pretty soon afterwards, and we had seen what we thought was possibly some eyeglow, but it ended up being fireflys if I remember right. And I think we were all just really just worn out from the heat towards the end of that night, and so after doing some whoops with no response, we headed back into camp and bund up the night. I

34:20 think around maybe eleven thirty or midnight, which is early for the grand scheme of things. I was car camping, and something I do whenever I go out at night, and you typically have my windows rolled down with some sleeves to keep the bugs out, you know, Tate was car camping. You and Ron were intense. We all just got checked into our respective sleeping areas and tried to fall asleep. And I don't I think maybe forty forty five minutes after we had laid down, and I don't I have never been uncomfortable sleeping in my car once when all the different times I I've been out at night fall right asleep. They usually stay asleep and sleep really well. But it was something was just off and I was starting to drift off and I heard like a car door close, and it's what's important to know that we're on a dead end of a long gravel area, so there's no other cars around other than our vehicles there. And I papped on my phone quick and sent you attacks and Tate attacks, and I think Ron and Ron was asleep, you know, you and Tate were still up. And I said, did you guys just close your car door? And You're said nope, and that you guys had heard that too, which is interesting because big Fetter known to mimic sounds, whether it's a zipper like you had heard in the year

35:51 before, or car doors are a really common one. That they could just be lurking around and listening to all the sounds you're making in camp and try to mimic those out of curiosity. So I heard that and as like, this is odd. Nobody had left their cars or their tents, and I think I fell asleep very lightly, So I was pretty on edge after that and woke up again around three ish and heard a car door again, and then a bunch of sounded like feet running around in the gravel on the roads, and I was just on red alert. After that, I just laid there staring at the ceiling of my cart. I want to look, I don't want to look, you know what? What on earth was making these sounds? And I also remember from that night the coyotes were just insane.

36:47 Things were kicking off, the coyotes all around camp. And I remember waking up pretty early because I did not sleep much that night, and I got out and went over to the fire, and you were up pretty soon after that too, and I just walked over to you, and I think we both pretty much said at the same time, what a weird freaking night that was, because we were all hearing a lot of the same sounds, or at least you and I were exactly. And to fill it up, fill in a little bit from my side. So what I personally experienced was, so I'm in a tent on the kind of outskirts of camp area, and it was between the three to three thirty am, So I was gone to sleep, sleeping not so well because of what had happened earlier, and I woke up to hearing two whoops way out in the woods, and I remember that the first thought I had was, why is Ontario out in the woods doing woops because they sounded very similar to the whoops you had been doing earlier.

38:00 People been hearing that Tate's documentary too, if they're curious about those. True. Yeah, Unfortunately did not get those recorded because my recorder was out of batteries. I believe incorrect me if I'm wrong. But also Ron had heard some things around that time of night too, right, he did the opposite side of camp from me, down the long gravel that we had walked that night before, is I want to say, and you know it was like a long call was heard. Yeah, yeah, I was. I think we all were just bamboozled that next morning. I remember even Tate said he heard that first card or shut and he was really confused about what that was as well. And I think that I touched on it earlier. But I think that mimicry is important because it's something that you guys experienced the year prior there with intends outside your yeah, outside your tent. It's just it's there's not a lot of people around where we were. It's just it was a weird night. It's very unsettling. Still weirds me out when I think about it. But I definitely want to go back again someday, maybe a little bit more prepared. Of course, every time you want to be better prepared. Do you think going through that weekend, how do you feel about that area for you think there's potentially some bigfoot there or what was your I

39:30 think there definitely could be. Yeah, I think there definitely could be. I think you guys had gone more action than we did that last trip out there. I think we had had knocks too, which is pretty compelling. I personally haven't spent enough time there to really give a definitive answer, but I think they probably were there that night and at least that month or the year before, which I think you guys went around the same time of the year, didn't you. It is very close. Yeah, it was like, yeah, same time of summer, very hot. Yeah, very similar, which is important too, I think because if an area doesn't change a lot, there's no reason why they wouldn't stay around there exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. It's just weird. The one thing Tate told me the first time was like, this is very not normal for us to get so much action, and then the second time get even you know, I view it as crazier actually hearing vocals. I thought I would never hear vocals, and just it's just it's my opening experience when it happened the first time.

40:42 Some weird stuff for sure, but it definitely you know, that whole experience wasn't a visual, but it was enough that now in my mind there's no doubt that it's the whole thing is actually real. I would say. Prior to that, I was like a ninety nine percent right, Yeah, well, I think we're all that way. You know, even the people that are spend so much time doing this and are so firm in their beliefs, we still waver from time to time, and those experiences, especially when they're a little bit more common at night, are important to share that up. Others times, I still I find myself wavering, but then something happens and i'm you know, I always think that they're real. I always believe that they're there, but sometimes it's hard to be like, why would they be here where I am? Why have all the places? Would we overlap?

41:35 And things happen and it just sures up that you have an idea of what these things are doing and where they're at, and it helps push you forward till the next time or till the time you eventually have a visual. Oh yeah, to me, it makes sense that they would be there. It just does if you think big picture. But it is weird if you're just thinking about like Iowa and you don't know all the if you're not a Iowa big Foot nerd, but if you are, you get it. But yeah, we live and eye by it proven why they'd be here. Yeah, sure, Yeah, it's fun. Hopefully next big goal is if there's ever another Iowa bfro outing. Would love to check that out, maybe in the next few years, if it ever happens again. But it's it is really fun when you're actually able to go out look for stuff in your home state. But Ontario, I'm so glad that I was able to finally have you on and be able to talk about bigfoot. Thank you so much for coming on. If people would like to reach out to you about bigfoot things that any questions, is there a way they can keep up to date follow you online stuff like that. Yeah, the spot's probably Instagram with the handle of Midwest Bigfoot. Once you click on that, you'll see Ontario the Midwest big Foot pop up. And that's definitely where I am most active in posting things. I have a Twitter that you could definitely use as well, folthough

43:05 I'm a little bit slower to upload there, which is my own faults. So probably those two would be the best places to get a hold of me. If you have any questions or any experiences an Io what you might want to talk about. That's awesome, good stuff. Yeah, if you've never been able to talk to Ontario, if you ever get a chance to meet her at a conference or something, please make sure you do. She is a great researcher. Highly recommend being able to chat with her. But thank you so much for coming on Ontario. Yeah, thank you, jamm. I just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend.

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