Nov. 27, 2025

Shawnee Woman Reveals Southeast Ohio Bigfoot Encounter That Will Change Your Beliefs

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Season 1

In this powerful episode of Bigfoot Society, Shawnee elder Donna Copas shares her lifelong encounters with the mysterious beings her people call “the Watchers.” From deep in Southeast Ohio, Donna describes sightings dating back to the 1930s, generational knowledge passed down through her family, and chilling modern interactions that challenge everything we think we know about the forests.



Donna reveals her first encounter at age six, her father’s and grandmother’s experiences, ancient Shawnee traditions, gifting practices, emotional connections with the Watchers, and the shocking night something violently tore through her farm. She also describes a terrifying run-in with a creature resembling a Dogman, the growing tension caused by logging on sacred land, and why sightings in Ohio are increasing.



If you’re interested in Bigfoot encounters, Native American perspectives, cryptids, Dogman sightings, Ohio Bigfoot hotspots, indigenous lore, or unexplained forest phenomena, this episode delivers one of the most detailed eyewitness accounts ever recorded.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Donna Coopus today from

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down there in the great state of Ohio, and welcome

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to the show. Donna. How are you doing today, ma'am.

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I'm doing pretty good. Thank you so much for having me.

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Absolutely a little background about how we got connected. Donna

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had heard my episode where I talked to mister Brian Sawyer,

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and then after that there was a connection that was

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made and then here we are today. Donna's wanting to

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share some things that she has experienced over the years.

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Welcome to the show, of course, and anything else that

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you would want to share for background before we get

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started today, Donna, I.

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Guess just I'm a Shawnee descent. I lived in the

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country in the whole life. My dad was a hunter,

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trapper doug Roots. He was worn in a little cabin

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back actually in the woods Fastilius. That sounds that he

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was born in nineteen twenty seven, So his home was

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actually a cabin deep in the woods. And he grew

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up hunting and fishing, and that was their way of life.

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They grew everything that they needed. And then I proceeded

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from there. I was on a three hundred acre farm

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that basically provided everything we needed. We had the orchards,

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we had eleven acres of berries. The animals were the cattle,

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the pigs, chickens. Everything we needed came from the farm.

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So that's how I grew up. And then I left

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that home from the home for my children and another

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big farm. And I've always been in the country and

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I'm still deep in the country and in the woods.

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And then, like I said, I'm Shawnee. So the watchers

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has I don't call them bigfoot or Sasquatch. I call

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them the watchers. That's far away and that's how my

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story begins.

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Would it be something where you would want to share

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your name that's attached to your Shawnee heritage as well?

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Totally up to you.

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Absolutely. I am Wabbi a Yappia Tamponia. I am the

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white wolf woman. And as my grandmother called me, the

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dream walker, the dream walkers, I walked in my sleeve, soay,

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she'll be said, I walked between the worlds and how

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I am. I to add, also interacted with the watchers

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as my grandmother did. This is generation to generate, it's not.

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It wasn't uncommon for us. And the first time I

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saw the watchers, I was six years old and there

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was a county fair in town. And Dad had his rules.

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I was always taking care of them at me. But

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if you wanted something, you had to be responsible. You

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had to work for so much of that money or

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for what you wanted. You had to be productive, so

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I might like I said, my dad was a hunter trappery,

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dug roots or every kind of roots, and we would

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ship them at the end of the year. That was

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part of our income. On this day, the fair had

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been there, and which I loved the fair. I wanted

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to do that was one of my big things. And

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the pony cart races. I love those. So Dad's okay,

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I'll take you know, I'll take out and you can

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you can do roots. And that was going to be

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my money for the fair. And that morning I was

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all excited and I'm running around like crazy getting all

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the chores done because I had to feed the chickens

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and get the cap speed bottle cabs usansithy and with

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a bottle, and so I hurried around because I didn't

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want to I didn't want to be bad and like,

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get to go. And when I got down to feed

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the chicken, we had an old set in hen that

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was mean or oh my god, she's just pitched pieces

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all of you, and so I skirt her down around her.

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I got everything done, got the eggs gathered, and grabbed

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my feet sacks and the mattic and so madic and

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you did bose roots with and I headed back to

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dying Pearl died. He was still at the breakfast table.

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He was drinking his last of his coffee and I

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was like a kid, been all excited. I was like,

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I want to go and to go, so finally he

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just gave up. But he always gave in to me. Honestly,

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I was terribly pulled, and so I always had real,

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really long hair. My grandma would braid it real tight.

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He ruffled my hair up and he's, aw, now come on,

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we'll go. So we went. We went deep back into

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the woods and got back here and there's a big

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patch of yellow root. That's what we was going to

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do get day. It's called it's golden sealed, but we

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call it gallery. And you have to separate the roots

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from the tops. Dad did most of the dig and

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I dug some, but mostly I just cleaned it. I

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separated and roots win one bag and the tops and

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the other because they sold separate. And we've been doing

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that for a good long time. And finally that's that

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chewed tobacco. But we raised tobacco. We I had Acory

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joined the farm, and he would go to the barn

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and get the long green and he would chew that.

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He wore bed. So he went over, he took his

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tobacco out, and he got up and walked over. There's

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a stump close by, and he laid down on that

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stump and then he said, now come on, we're gonna go.

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And of course I'm grumbling. I don't want to go,

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because he's this is my money for the fare, and

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I'm gonna make sure I got enough. And he said,

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now come on. I said, we're gonna go, and I

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knew when he said that the tone changed, so you

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knew that was it. You're want to go. And I

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got up in a steel point and digna in the

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dirt and pull on his hand. He took my hand

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because I shoot, it's like I said, come on. And

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as we walked away, I turned and I looked back

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and there's right, no more than thirty feet from where

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we were sating digging, this huge black figure stood up

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and he took up tobacco, and of course he scared

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me to death. I'd never seen him before. And I

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took that and just headed back up through the cliffs,

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just walking up through there and nonshown as can be.

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Of course, I'm scared, and that's that. Come on now,

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he said, he won't bother you if you don't bother him.

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I'm on us go. And that was my first experience

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with the Watchers, and I believe that was my introduction

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from God to show me and teach me, because from

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then on I got taught the ways and respect and

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how to deal with them and their markers and all

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the things that they did. And I grew up with

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them being part of my life and I was part

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of their So that was my first experience and it

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continued and it still does to this day. I still

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have interactions with them. I grew up on that farm

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with them being there and dough my life on my farm.

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Our farms are more than six miles apart from each other,

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so we were fairly close. And the whole area is

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just woods and we got fields. But I grew up

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playing in the woods. That was my thing is run

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to the bar and jump on the pony, go to

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the woods. I could run and play back. Then if

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I bothered you and you were saved. And the woods

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where I playground. And so that's how my life began.

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Wow, I have some questions for you right off the bat.

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I know we're just getting into it. So this area

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we're talking about right now, where this interaction happened. This

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is southeast Ohio, right right? Gotcha? Is it a thing

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where we are We're leaving it. We're leaving the location

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a little vague as we'll just say, Southeast Ohio. That's

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our comfort level. Okay, very good. Right now about this

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interaction was the tobacco. Do you think that the pack

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was left there as a gift or was it something

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where your father had just left it there and then

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the watchers swooped in and pretty much took it and

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then left.

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No, it was a gift, because we do gifting in

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the tobacco was a big part. Of course, tobacco and

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Native American ceremony is a big combination. Of course, this

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mud use a sage, sweet grass seed or the ghostberries,

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and tobacco is a big part. And so a tobacco

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offering is a sign of respect and that dad would

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do that. And of course my grandmother she makes or

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she made I'm sorry she passed away, but homemade apple cakes.

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This is a cake, homemade case and you cook the

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apples and it is put into there and then the

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icing for the cake is like you may come made

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apple sauce. So it's basically very sweet and a very

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huge pan. But it's our offerings. There's other things we do.

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It's not just these two things. But that was that's

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offering that day.

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Very interesting was the tobacco packaged in any certain way

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when it was left as a gift to the watcher.

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No, because we, like I said, we grew tobacco. So

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when you cut the tobacco. I don't know if you

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know anything about tobacco farming or not, but when you

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cut your tobacco, you cut the stalks and then you

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spear it onto the tobacco sticks and you hang it

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in the barn where it dries, and then it's taken down.

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It's stripped into three different grades for selling. And so

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Dad would always save some of that because it chewed tobacco.

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He never smoked. Everybody with chew tobacco. And the long

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green that's what we call it as the tobacco plants

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are long green. Yeah, and so no, he would just

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go out and pick the leaves off and he'd fold

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them and twist them. He'd fold them down and then

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do a twist. And that was your chewing tobacco. And

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it's very bitter, I'll be honest. It's not like the

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store bought tobacco that you bought. It's different because they

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put the they process it when they sell it in

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the stores. This was in process. This is straight long green.

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Born that's so interesting. This comes up a lot in

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recent more modern day interviews where people are still doing

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this gifting Fashionedually it's packet in some sort of I

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guess it's not given in the same way that you

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would be doing unprocessed, because it's more like in a

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little bag, I think. Anyways, this is very interesting. It

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literally picked up the folded over leaves and then just

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walked off into the woods with them.

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Yeah, okay, but I honestly, like I said, I think

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that was dad's dad's way of introducing me, because he

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interacted with him some of the time he was a child.

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He'd actually told me about his first interaction with when

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he was little, because, like I said, he grew up

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a cabin he grew up in. It sets deep in

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the woods and there's some mountain there. And of course

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back then nineteen twenty said, there's no indoor plumbing. Water

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come from the spring. That's you know, had the outhouse

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or whatever. And he was little and he said he

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had to go bathroom. So his mom had taken him outside.

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He says, only like three or four, and she had

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taken him out to the bathroom and it was dark

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as nighttime, and she hadn't taken him all the way

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to the outhouse. She'd take him over to the edge

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of the yard. And he said he was there and

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then this huge just like with me, this huge black

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figure had loomed over top of him. And of course

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he's used the baby, this little boy, and I was

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scared that ageminees out of it a way, he said it.

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And he said his mom just walked over and she

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stopped him up in her arms and said she put

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her hand up, pull them up and held her hand

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out and said, no, my baby. And he said this,

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he described the same thing. Excuse me, huge black figure, Harry,

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And they said he it just walked back up into

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the woods and walked away. But he said that was

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the first time he had saw them. But he grew

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up with his mom interacting with them too. He told

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stories about my grandmother with Shawnee. We always raised our

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animals and food came from the earth. But in the summertime,

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you pick greens and you get like the wild green

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onions and the shawnee let us, you know, the dandelion greens.

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That kind of stuff was just a whole multitude of

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different plants that you eat. And she liked those, the

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wild onions, and it was a wild onion patch that

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wasn't too far away, and he said she would go

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there to get the onions. And while she would be

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setting on one side picking the onions pulling you had

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to pull them from the branch, they would be one

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of them on the other side, so they would be

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sharing the onion patch and it was just common. It

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was not an abnormal thing for them. This they were

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part of their lives. And that's how I grew up

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and was taught too. Of course I didn't have that

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exactly that kind of interaction.

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Yes, yes, yes, So when just for contexts, like when

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you're having your interaction where you have your first sighting

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out of the watcher, what approximate year would you say

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that was?

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And then you see about nineteen sixty.

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Eight, okay, And when your father has that sighting as

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a very young child, what approximate year do you think

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that would have been?

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Oh, probably around nineteen thirty one, thirty two, Okay. Dad's

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born in twenty seven, and he said he was no

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more than three or four years old. He remembered it

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as being very small.

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And then the last story about interacting having interactions in

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the onion field or the onion pad across the way

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and there. What approximate time period would that have taken

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place in?

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Yeah, that would have been in the thirty Okay, oh

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my goodness.

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Based on what you've heard and also what you've you

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saw during the interaction your father was there with you,

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would you say that the watchers have a more ape

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like look to them, or they have more human and

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like features, or how would you describe their physical appearance.

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They're not all the same, not exactly their face, of course,

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there's they're hairy, and they got their long hair. The

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palms of their hands are smooth, the palms of their

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feet are smooth. And around their eyes it's not it's

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smoother like around the eyes, there's not hairy, it's not harry.

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It's more smooth. They do have that punch that I

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call it the punched in look. Their nose doesn't protrude.

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It's more flatter and whiter. Now they've been asked that

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before because of the ears. The Watchers' ears are flattered

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to their head. They're not pointed or stick up like

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an animal. They're not like the what they call the

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dog man thing. That's a different thing. So I guess, yeah,

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you would. It's if I had to put out a

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word to it, I guess it would be neander ball

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and gorilla. And that's not exact either, that because they're

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they're big, and their hands are of course they have nails,

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but they're not like people portray them, like having these

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big long claws. They have more nail type. It's nails,

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but of course they're big, but they're not like the

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claws of a woof or something like that. These are

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more human like to me, that's the way I look

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at it. Their feet when I've got castings and the

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footprints and stuff where they've stepped over the years. Of

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course I've seen a lot, and they're feet are more.

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Of course they're big and huge. They leave the they're

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like a flat footed on this human foot, but it's

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it's flat, it's not they don't have an art. I

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guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's there's more.

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They're different, not exactly like the human foot, but a

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lot like huge foot.

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Sure, how long would you see the footprints are that

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you've gotten casts of.

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I've gotten everything up to the young one. I have

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a young one that was only like maybe fourteen inches.

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But then I have some that's in the snow that

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literally are twenty four inches long and they're probably twelve white.

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They are huge. The mass of that was from twenty sixteen.

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I believe it was on March sixteenth, there were thirteen

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inches of snow. And actually these came from my mother

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in law was also Shawnny, and she was in her

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nineties when she was moved from the home place to

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my sister in law that there was an eight frame

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right of and she had gotten up in The footprints

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were coming from my grandmother house passed her house from

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my mother in law, not my grandmother, her mother. And

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I have those pictures. I have the pictures in the snow,

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and she had taken them. She actually did an interview

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for me and told me she won't she doesn't want

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her name told or she's someone to give these to you.

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This but the thing that they attached to you is

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like my dad had his own watcher. And I believe

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because my mother in law, again she grew up in

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the woods. This woman she picked berry, she dug roots,

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she did the whole thing. This is a mountain one.

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So she grew up the same way my dad did,

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in the same area my dad did, so when they

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moved her, I believe he followed her because it wasn't

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that far away where she got moved from the home

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place to this other site where she lived until she

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passed away. So I think he just followed her. And

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because with my dad, when my dad got has stroke

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and he was eighty four, so I moved him from

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the big farm and I brought him here, so he

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had to be a turtle care so I took care

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of him and mom both here. I put him oble

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home in my front yard, and then I built a

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room so I could see them, just glass so I

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could see straight out. And every night I would God

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had been here probably about a month, and every night

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I would go he wouldn't go to bed till like midnight.

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He wanted to watch the news, mad's little routine, and

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of course he I had to help him literally put

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him to bed and get him situated for the night.

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And I would walk from my house down there, and

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he'd been here about a month and I had put

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down to bed and it was round three in the morning.

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Now my house is built into the woods, and my bedroom,

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like I said, I'm a widow and I love my woods.

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So my bedroom was plate glass windows because I like

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and I don't put anything on. I like seeing my woods.

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I have a little creek beside my house, and I

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had a door that came from my bedroom outside. And

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this was back in nineteen ninety four, and I just

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had the old time screen door. I didn't have a

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storm door. I don't know if you a country screen

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door is. It's just a frame with screen on it.

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There's no glass or nothing like that. And I would

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leave that door open, and I would have raised my

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windows and a combination of it. In the trees under

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the one, I've got springs, and then the creek. I

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didn't have to have an air condition or anything. The

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breeze just flows through. It's cool in the nighttime. So

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I left all that open, and a boy a month

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after it died, being here very o'clock in the morning,

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the smell woke me up, and my first thing I

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thought about was, oh, my gosh, the septic blew up.

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Something happened, because it was horrible smell. And I got

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up and looked, and I didn't see anything. I couldn't

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find anything. And then it went away and that went

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on like the third night. You know, I seen the

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shape move because there's a big glass window, and I

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saw the figure move. And then in my mind, I'm thinking,

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because we have bear here, kady bear, we have bobcat everything,

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and I'm thinking, it's a bear that's came down out

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of the woods. So I did close my big door.

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And I have a big wooden door, so I closed it.

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But the next night when I went out to go

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to Don's, but I always carry a gun. I've always

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carried a gun with me because I live in woods.

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And I got out the front door and I got

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a whiff on the breeze of the smell. And then

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at the corner there I had left the big cedar

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tree in the edge of my yard for shade. I

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saw a movement. And I've been I hunt. I've been

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taught the track, I hunt the whole thing. And you're

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taught don't run, because if you run, you become prey.

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So I moved real easy and got into the house

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and Died's when the world's wrong for you, you doesn't

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lose your mind. I said, no, die, I said there's

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a bear out there. There ain't no bear out there,

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said Din, there's a bear out there. I sit behind

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a tree. I said, up, been seeing something the last

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few nights. He said, you show me. So I helped

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him up and go hi over to the door, and

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he looked out and he just went on. He said,

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don't worry about it. He said, you leave him alone.

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He'll leave you alone. And in my mind it clicked

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from his word, because I've been taught by all my

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life leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. I said,

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you don't mean it, and he said, yeah, he's just watching,

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and he said he you need doing nothing. But he

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would come and stand behind that tree and watch me

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till I put down in the bed and he'd stand

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there for a while, and he never heard nothing, never

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bother nothing. He just watched. And it went on again

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with a few months there, or four months, and one

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moved died. I left. He had one hog left and

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sold off all the cabs and everything, and I brought it.

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And now it's a big grown south hog. And she's big.

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She's the four hundred pounds. So when she stood up,

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she's well bigger. I'm five foot three. She's way told

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her to me, way bigger than me. And so you

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can imagine how tall her pen had to be so

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she couldn't come over the tops. And this night I

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put back to bed and I hear these horrible screams.

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There's like an elephant trumpeting of smiling, screaming, fighting, and

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I thought, oh my jump up now. Like I said,

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I've always I have a good and I have a

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it's a British infield three oh three. It's an old

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army rifle, and I have armor piercing so it reaches

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out a good long ways and I can blow up

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a motor block. It's got some knockdown power and I

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keep it by the door. But I never picked it up.

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I'm just barefooted in my nightgown and I ran out

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the front door. God don't ask me why, because I'm

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never that irresponsible. I'm always pick up something. But those

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screams shocked me so much. And I went on down

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because where the pig pin was is on past the houses,

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and I have a creek, have to cross over a

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bridge and the creeks, and the pins down by the creeks,

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and so I went that far. And I still hear

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those screaming and fighting. It's like in the woods because

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I'm down. I sit down low, and then there's like

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hillsides all around me, and then it dawns on me.

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I'm standing out there and hearing this one on and

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in my mind, I go, oh my god, you dummy,

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you're outside. You don't have no gun, nobody knows you're

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out here, and God can't get outside to help you.

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To get the heck back to the house, and I said,

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I came back in and I got I stayed in

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the door and I could hear that. But that went

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through the pig pin down there. It just stepped over

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and then it was two steps and off the other

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side through the creek, and then the chicken coops were

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on the other side, and it just absolutely towards chicken

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coops and pieces. I just had just burst through, beaten

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and whatever died had. I had a bull mask and

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I pit bull mixed old dog whose name was Jake,

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and he was a big old dog, but he was

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really old. And then I heard Jake scream and this horrible,

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Oh my gosh, I still think about this day, the

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terrible scream. And I thought, you first, didn't think you

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want to go. I was going to go help the

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dog in I could not physically go out the door.

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Something premented me from stepping out that door, whether that

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was my fear cammon sense. Even with the gun, I've

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reached put my hand down on the gun and then

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I just put it back, and I was like no.

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But the next morning I go out and those footprints

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were eight The footprints that went through the pig pens

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with its mud was eighteen inches long. And I found

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the dog. He was still alive. He had been bitten,

459
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had like through his hind quarters, three his backbone, through

460
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.480
his private parties, like he'd been picking up, picked up,

461
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.720
and just these big puncture wounds. And he don't ask

462
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.119
me how he lived, because he was pretty horrible, but

463
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:15.960
he did. And of course he was old and he

464
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.319
never moved around much after that. But but that thing

465
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.599
that night, it traveled on down the road. There's an

466
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.039
old lady's a few miles down and she had little dogs,

467
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.680
and she actually called the cops, and the cops came out.

468
00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:35.240
And there's always just coyotes. That was not coyotes. I'm

469
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:37.759
living in the country in my whole life. That's not coyotes.

470
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.559
But it went on up when you got to the

471
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:45.319
main road, all the way through there. It was attacking dogs,

472
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:47.680
and I wasn't the only one that heard it that

473
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.759
night and probably seen it. But the next day, the

474
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:57.440
next night, that's watcher was back and there's no nothing

475
00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:59.759
violent about it. It didn't do anything. It was just

476
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:05.079
like normal. So I'm not sure what happened that night.

477
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.400
But actually just a couple of months ago, with just

478
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:11.440
has been you know, I have not told my stories.

479
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.720
I just started doing this and there's a reason for

480
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:17.759
me doing it, and I'll explain that later. A gentleman said,

481
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:19.960
you do you think he would that the watcher was

482
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.559
fighting with a dog man, And I was like, I

483
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:28.599
never really had interactions with a dog man. I never

484
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.759
even I never thought they were real things. I've heard

485
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:38.240
the stories of the legends, but I never thought that.

486
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.720
I thought it was just some of my Shawnee stories.

487
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:46.480
But then this last October bit, the one before, I

488
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:49.119
had actually went on a hike. I do. I'll do

489
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.920
ten mile hikes back in the woods. Sometimes I spend

490
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.960
the night. I have my own place, but I wasn't

491
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:58.079
in my area that time. This other girl that was

492
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.960
hiking those two other girls, and she wanted to show

493
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:02.799
me a new area it was one of her places,

494
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.759
and it ain't even in this county. This is a

495
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:09.400
different county that had never ever been to ever, and

496
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.640
we did. It was like six miles. We went deep

497
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.960
woods and just life and joking, having a good time.

498
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.319
And it was getting evening time and it wasn't dark,

499
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.799
but it was getting evening and we had hiking back

500
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.240
out and the trail there's only one one way in,

501
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.079
one way out you have to go. And I looked

502
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.640
down the trail and I seen I thought it was

503
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:36.599
a turkey, like a big giant turkey. And I said,

504
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.680
what is that? And she looks and she's, I don't know,

505
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:42.319
I don't know what is that? And of course she

506
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:43.680
had a fight. I didn't even have a phone with

507
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.720
me or anything. I don't carry it because normally in

508
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:50.160
the woods, and I don't take a lot of pictures,

509
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.759
and the girls had their phone, so they was doing

510
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.880
that and she tried just so I can't get it.

511
00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.559
I can't see what it is. So we keep going farther.

512
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.319
We're gone, getting a little bit worried because it's getting bigger.

513
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.839
The farther we go, it's getting bigger. And now the

514
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:10.720
third girl I've seen it, and she's, oh, my gosh,

515
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.599
what is that? And I was like, is it had

516
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.880
a head showed up like a German shepherd head? And

517
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.400
I was like, oh, my gosh, is that like a

518
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.079
big dog? And then I got concerned because we're in

519
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:24.200
the woods and we don't know if this is a dog.

520
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.079
Is mean, what is this? And I carry a pistol,

521
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.240
I carry a three eighty and a pouch and I

522
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.519
did I pulled it around and of course I carry

523
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.039
spare clips with it too, and I walk with a

524
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.359
staff and the girl she's looking, she's I'm finding a stick.

525
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.640
But she finally found not a big stick or something.

526
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.640
I guess it made her feel better and or keep

527
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.119
going and she's what is that? It's just getting bigger

528
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.720
and bigger. I don't know. All of a sudden there

529
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.039
was a dough jumped up and ran off through the woods.

530
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.440
But this thing is on the ground and it's tracking.

531
00:29:57.559 --> 00:29:59.240
I don't know if you've ever seen a dog track

532
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.599
or not. Those to the ground and over the back

533
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.960
and forth, like getting a scent. It was doing that,

534
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.599
and we kept moving, and the pleasure we get, the

535
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.960
bigger it's getting. Now I'm to the point that I'm

536
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:19.079
really concerned, and she's scared, and we're getting a little ancy,

537
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.039
but there's no way for us to get out except

538
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.200
to go past there. We have to go. So we're

539
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.680
talking and so many somebody threw a dog out, Maybe

540
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:32.559
somebody's throwing a ball making it jump up, whatever, and

541
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:35.039
maybe it's just like a big some kind of big

542
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:39.200
breaded dog, and all of a sudden it comes up

543
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:43.599
on two legs. We're getting closer and it comes up

544
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.160
on two legs, and it went off to the right

545
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.759
into the woods, the same way that dough deer had went.

546
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.920
It went into the woods, and by this time we're closer.

547
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:57.240
There's not a bird, there's not an insect. It's totally

548
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:02.359
stone quiet. Every hair on your head is stand. I'm

549
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.640
on full guard. I'm I don't get scared because I

550
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.519
grew up in the woods and I've dealt with a

551
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.920
lot of different things. But I'm this is Everybody is

552
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.839
nervous and they're scared, and I'm not scared, but I'm

553
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:20.400
very concerned. So my hands on that pistol and I'm ready.

554
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.480
And we had to get past that area. And we

555
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.039
get up to the car, which I have my daughter's

556
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.279
new You know, you hit the button on the keybob

557
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.480
to unlock the doors, it won't work. It's like a

558
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.119
horror movie. And I was like, oh my gosh, you

559
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.720
won't unlock. It won't unlock, So I have to take

560
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.680
the key and unlock the door. It's harder with the

561
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:41.839
new cars because you gotta get to all this rigular rope.

562
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.640
And by this time she's I gotta pee, I gotta pe,

563
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.920
I gonna pie. It's like whatever, I'm getting inside. And

564
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.319
I finally get it open and we get inside, and

565
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:58.720
we left, and I'm honestly, I still don't know what

566
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:02.440
I saw. All I know was it was on the ground.

567
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:06.880
It looked like a dog. It was massive, but when

568
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.519
it stood up, it was the size of the man,

569
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:15.480
and it walked on two legs. So that that was

570
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.240
a very different experience for me. The watchers, yes, I

571
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.720
see them, and they don't didn't get that feeling, which

572
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.440
that was different to them.

573
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:31.279
Wow, so you've got the watchers, You've also got dog

574
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.279
Man as well. Do you think that in your area?

575
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.079
Are they ever interacting? Are they in close proximity to

576
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.440
each other? Do you think they have a boundary set up?

577
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.559
I like I said all the time I was growing up,

578
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.279
I've seen the watchers. I never saw the dog man.

579
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.880
I've heard stories of them. I've heard different of course,

580
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.759
the watchers makes a different sound than the house. But

581
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:00.559
here lately, over the last two years, I've seen more

582
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.960
evidence that there is some kind of other creature. I

583
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.400
actually got a picture. I camped out staring back in

584
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.119
the cliffs and I picked up on my trail can

585
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.119
as one of the watchers squatted down seven, which is

586
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.440
very rare. Believe me, you don't really get that kind

587
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:24.200
of stuff. But this thing which everybody's looking at, and

588
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.279
that's a dog man because it does look and it

589
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.039
has ears, it looks more of that kind of thing

590
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.880
was on the cliff above me. And I didn't even

591
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.079
know I got the picture because I have one of

592
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.839
those little it's a go cad videos in front and

593
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:46.279
behind you, so I didn't even know that I picked

594
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.640
that up because I was just leaving. I like going

595
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.119
back in the woods. I still nothing keeps me out

596
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.960
of my woods. That's just who I am. And but

597
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.559
that the howls I've picked up on my trail cans

598
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:05.079
are definitely so whatever is going on which my theory

599
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.679
is this in this area that's a Shawnee land, that

600
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:14.320
Shawnee was taken from this area sacred land, and there's

601
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.000
a four hundred acres track of woods that hasn't been

602
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.480
touched in over two hundred years. There's no logging. This

603
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.159
is their home and it started getting logged a couple

604
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.320
of years ago. They started logging it and they've taken

605
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:34.880
out massive amount of timber which has invaded their home.

606
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.519
So now they're moving out and about into different areas.

607
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.159
So we've had more sightings here. There's another group that

608
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.800
comes here that have been coming here for years and

609
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.760
they had a kind of really scary experience where they

610
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.840
got ran out. Actually it's a night stalker group and

611
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.639
they actually ended up selling their story to our Discovery channel.

612
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.480
It's a tear in the woods, hunt up my Bigfoot,

613
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.920
and that's from this area. And I actually go out

614
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.800
with them sometimes and just a few months ago. I

615
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.920
don't do vocals. I have recordings from all the way

616
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.719
back in nineteen ninety four, like on the old cassettes,

617
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.679
from hearing them their talk or their vocals or whatever,

618
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.920
their chatter, different things, and I don't do that. When

619
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.360
they come I go, I guide for them. I'll be

620
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.480
evodied sometimes or whatever. And they're my friends, so we

621
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.360
just hang out together too, and they had picked up

622
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.480
some more they've had now they I never I only

623
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.719
started going out into the woods with them a couple

624
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:43.239
of years ago. Before that, I literally were getting bombarded

625
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.039
with rocks going through the top of their car, busting

626
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.199
their windshield. Then after I started going. The one lady,

627
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.679
which she's an older woman, but she's an absolutely wonderful lady,

628
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.960
very intelligent, very fearless, and she said, we don't care

629
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.400
rock stowed at us any more. Should I think I

630
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.559
had something to do with you, doesn't it? I never,

631
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:10.559
because this area where we go I consider a mind.

632
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.519
It's like we've interacted, so we have our own little

633
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.199
way of communicating, and they can be very protective of

634
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.480
me at times, but then I am with them. It's

635
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.760
a strange. I guess people think you was crazy when

636
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.840
you say that, So there's no such thing. You're just

637
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.719
nuts or some kind of paranoid idiot. I don't have

638
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.480
any meno issues. I'm very high IQ actually, and this

639
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.679
is just part of my heritage and my family. And honestly,

640
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.280
like I said, I'm not the only one that season

641
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.760
from here. But with the things that's going on, the logging,

642
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.599
them being disruptive and brought out, it's a safety issue,

643
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.760
not just for them but for humans because people are

644
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.880
seeing them more. They don't the first instinct is when

645
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.719
they sing, they want to shoot them. They don't need

646
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.000
to do that. They don't do Just like Dad said,

647
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.000
you leave them alone. They'll live your life. But if

648
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:15.679
you get violent with them, don't get violent back. So

649
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.239
I have a hidden agenda. This is my way of

650
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:20.760
protecting them both. Wow.

651
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:26.360
I've just been sitting here listening the whole time. Fascinating stories, Donna.

652
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:31.360
And I'm also remembering my conversation with Brian Sawyer as

653
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.079
you've been talking, and just some of the things he

654
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:42.159
was explaining to me about probably the same area. I'm

655
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:43.960
going to have to go back and listen to our

656
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.480
conversation again. Has there ever been a time where you

657
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:53.239
feel like you've had any types of communication between yourself

658
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.000
and the watchers that have been in the area.

659
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.559
Oh, yeah, we do communicate. Like I said, it's it's

660
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:05.840
like telepathic type thing. I know what they're I can

661
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.599
feel their feelings, they can feel mine when they're getting agitated.

662
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.559
I become agitated. I feel that, and they do communicate.

663
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.840
It's not like they have words I don't. I've never

664
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.320
heard them speak English. Now, I have heard them make

665
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.079
like the show. I have the ancient Shawnee language and

666
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:28.440
I use it sometimes. I've heard them mimic some of

667
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:34.199
the Shawnee. It's a they do like this ooh ooh.

668
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:36.920
That's the only way I can explain it. But it's

669
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:41.920
actually a Shawnee word. And what it means is come back.

670
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.920
If it's their way of signaling the others to come

671
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:53.079
back to the caves, it's danger come back. Move back. Yeah,

672
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.880
I But as far as hearing them say their name

673
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:01.480
or an English name or no, I've never I give

674
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.880
them names just for my own personal I call like

675
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.679
the grandfather of the old one. I have some young

676
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:14.440
ones here now. Actually that's been more active the old

677
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.920
Like I said, the way I explain it is the

678
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.039
old ones I grew up with. I grew up at

679
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.559
the same time I did. The young ones has grown

680
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.199
up seeing me me being there. I bring gifts, I

681
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:35.199
bring food, and I don't do like the howlings that

682
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:36.920
I do. I have a howl that I can do.

683
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.119
But what I do is I play flute music. I

684
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:47.039
do drumming chants, more peaceful, calm time of thing. That's

685
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.760
how we interact. And when they come I have so

686
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.280
I have slave bells. So when I put my gifts out,

687
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.159
I use those slave bells and it's just like this,

688
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.960
you know what the sound of slave beals. But they

689
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.000
it's not like I see them every day. Don't get

690
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.960
me wrong. It's not that they can be standing right

691
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.159
in front of you and you won't see them. They

692
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:12.360
have the ability to I call it the shimmer. Somehow

693
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:17.599
they turn and that doesn't mean they're not there. They're there,

694
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.440
but they have a cloaking ability. I call it like

695
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.639
a chameleon. You know how the chameleons can hide right

696
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.719
in a tree, a green snake in the grass. It's

697
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:32.000
not that they're not there, but they change. So they

698
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.960
just blend in with the surroundings and you just think

699
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.320
you're looking at a tree or you're looking at a

700
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.880
bush or they have that ability. So people say, oh,

701
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.719
nothing walking, and then they go, why don't you find

702
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.400
like bones or whatever. First off, they take care of

703
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:57.440
their own. That's like the Shawnee have a thing and

704
00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.719
we bury our own, we take care of our own,

705
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.800
and they do the same thing. And if something does happen,

706
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.960
But then if you look at the animals, the composition

707
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.719
of an animal that dies in the woods, it takes

708
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.480
very little time for the scavengers to pick it clean

709
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.239
and carry it away. But that really doesn't happen with them.

710
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:28.320
They have their own way of doing. They take care

711
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:28.840
of their own.

712
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:36.000
So it's fascinating. And things that you're saying are definitely

713
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:42.280
reminding me of other conversations. So the shimmer and remind me.

714
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.159
Have you seen that happen as well? Have you seen

715
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.840
it where you're looking at a watcher and that starts

716
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.079
to shimmer and then say it.

717
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:56.079
Out yeah, yeah, Actually again, I'll refer back to the

718
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.960
night watcher group. And this wasn't this summer. It was

719
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:03.960
the summer before, and the one gentleman Miller. It's Mike Miller,

720
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.639
That's what he had said. And that night the moon

721
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:11.559
was full and there was a group and all there

722
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:15.000
was about eight all around us, and I knew they

723
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.400
were there. Of course, people doubt you, so I don't

724
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.280
really say anything. I just ask that question, I answered vaguely.

725
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.440
And he had said I would do anything just to

726
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.440
see one. He saw one that would love to see one.

727
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:33.480
We're setting and deep in the woods and the moon

728
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.280
comes up, and I knew that the old one was there.

729
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.960
I knew he was there because he was watching Basically

730
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.159
this probably I don't talk about this kind of thing,

731
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:46.000
but if a woman is on her monthly, I'll call it.

732
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.320
They shouldn't be in the woods. It's the precautions for

733
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.280
a bear. They tell you be very cautious around that time.

734
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.400
Same thing applies the young lady that was there. I

735
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.239
didn't say anything until later after we were in the

736
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.719
woods and she said showing my period, and I go,

737
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.920
oh gosh, and so that will that effects. There's are

738
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.800
an effect. And they were pretty close and Mike was

739
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.480
setting that he sets a chair down. They they sed

740
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.360
their cars out and they sat in the dark. Then'll

741
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.079
use lights at all, total pitch black. The moon coming out,

742
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.639
and I had been watching him head was in the

743
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.000
tree line, and I knew he was there. And finally

744
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.679
the moon had came up and he stepped from the

745
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.800
tree line out into the plain sight and Mike that

746
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.360
already came out of the chair and it's like just

747
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.639
calm stay calm, Just stay calm, and he's like I am,

748
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.320
but and he's just in awe. Not only did he

749
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.559
see it that night, but there was a couple other

750
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.400
of the group was sawid. The girl was there, but

751
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.239
she turned her back and I said, don't you used

752
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.760
to know? I'm too scared and she turned her back.

753
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.639
And then there was another gentleman that didn't. But the

754
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.559
other there was three of the same solid this may

755
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.239
saw him that night. But then he simply took two

756
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:10.639
steps back into the trees and he was there. They

757
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.840
thought he was gone. He wasn't. He just stepped back,

758
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:21.480
turned and they can't see him no more. So. Yeah,

759
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.880
they have that ability to be there and not be there.

760
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:31.079
From what you've heard over the years, the interactions with

761
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.880
the watchers that you've heard and you've experienced, I guess

762
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.360
besides the things with the dogs, have there been any

763
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.719
aggressive interactions with humans or is there usually some kind

764
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:46.199
of understanding there where that stuff just doesn't happen.

765
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:51.079
In that area. No, there has been more violent There

766
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.000
was a report not just a few months ago in

767
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:57.880
another area some people on a four wheeler said they

768
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.239
had gotten things starred at them and they are actually

769
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.320
got chased. Now, I did get Like I said, this

770
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.679
was a couple of years ago. I got hit. But

771
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.280
it wasn't their fault. This was I don't look at

772
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.079
it like it was trying to hurt me again. Mike

773
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:12.599
and them was here and they had did a lot

774
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.719
of vocals close by, and he had asked me to

775
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.960
go out just if I could hear it because I'm

776
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:21.719
down in the valley below where they were at. And

777
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.400
I did. It was like probably twelve o'clock at night

778
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.119
or something, it was later in the night, and I did.

779
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.559
I came in from work and I still had a

780
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.000
skirtle one I had to put tennis shoes on. I

781
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.760
had changed into them, and I walked once I walked

782
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.239
back to the back of my property. Once I passed

783
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:41.320
the barns, it's pitch black because it's just the woods

784
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.119
and I have a greenhouse. And i'd gotten back and

785
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.719
I heard the screaming in the woods. I could hear

786
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.000
like some kind of battle one on or whatever. But

787
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.440
in my mind, I thought, that's Mike. That's him putting

788
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.519
off the calls back at the other cabin. So I

789
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.199
just kept going and as I get back there, I'd

790
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.239
been working, so I had a little my garden killer

791
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.360
and wherever the garden is, so there's buckets, and I

792
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.000
had a little red iglue cooler, a small cooler, and

793
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.079
it had been setting back against the trees where I

794
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.800
had popped and ice in it and water and it

795
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.119
comes flying out. I'm back in the pitch black and

796
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:20.960
I've got the phone in my hand because I was

797
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.000
a messaging mike and then I lost a signal and

798
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.400
I'm still holding it, but I'm just pitch black. And

799
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.840
that comes flying out and it hit me into side

800
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.440
to go on the hip, and the force of it

801
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:38.639
knocked me down, and I'm thinking, oh crap, you know

802
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.599
what the heck? Because I can hear now. I see

803
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:45.360
the trees. I see the trees being pushed, fairly good

804
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.960
sized trees. I see them swaming and pushing and these

805
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.159
screams and I'm like, oh crap, that's like the screams

806
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:56.639
I heard when it attacked my dog. And it came

807
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:00.840
down and there's a where the path is. But at

808
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.480
the last minute, he's big. He's big. I have the

809
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.599
smaller one, which I call him mine. He's ten, which

810
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.159
the big guy is, and he's more black and he

811
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.719
comes charging out the other side and they interact right there.

812
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:21.800
He literally just jumps on him. And that was my

813
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.320
chance to get up. So let me tell you it

814
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.800
was not easy because I took a pretty good I

815
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:29.400
took a pretty good hit. But I got back down

816
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.079
to the barn, and I keep a twelve gauge pump

817
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:35.000
shot down in the barn and I have buckshot in

818
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.320
that and I break up and I pulled it out,

819
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.760
and then I thought, no, you dummy, and again in

820
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.000
my head, I'll always like you dummy. Just get to

821
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.880
the house because my big house had burned a few

822
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.000
years ago and I have a smaller cabin down by

823
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.679
the road. After a mom and dad got foodstick, I

824
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.880
moved him down a close the road because of sitting squads,

825
00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:00.960
you know, just taking care of him. So I had

826
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:02.920
to get across the bridge and back into my house.

827
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:04.840
And I didn't I can stier hear that all the

828
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:09.079
way down into the house. I hear about battle going on.

829
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.039
But they were already disrupted from the normal area their woods.

830
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.559
So they're back in there with all that machinery tearing

831
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.559
up the woods. They're already mad. They're already being four

832
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:27.239
sty normal area. And then Mike puts off these calls.

833
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.519
He puts off the woof calls, which is a battle cry,

834
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.280
which I told him. I was like, that's a challenge.

835
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.000
When you do that, that's a challenge. And then the

836
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.280
next morning, yeah, and he goes. I was like, where

837
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.719
did you go? So I went to bed. I was like,

838
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.639
you did what? He's like, yeah, I got why. I

839
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.199
was like, are you freaking killing me? You don't really

840
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.079
go out there and you with the bed, I could

841
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.280
have been killed. I was joking, but you know, yeah,

842
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.719
they get violent, they get churse. Not everybody knows. I

843
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.280
don't interact with and that way. Everything with me is

844
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.000
calm and peaceful and giving. And if I feel like

845
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.719
I've pushed my limit too far, I back out. I

846
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.039
back away, and if I have a question, I do

847
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.400
full submission mode. I'll hit my I'll go to the ground,

848
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:21.440
I'll drop my head. It's like, I'm submissive. I'm not

849
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.960
a challenge. I'm not going I'm not gonna I'm no threat.

850
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.880
But really, myself, I don't have that kind of problems

851
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:33.800
that other people have. Yes, yeah, I can't tell you

852
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:38.840
they're not they're dangerous. Yeah, it sounds.

853
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.800
Yeah, definitely, it's something that you're treating it with respect,

854
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:48.599
and as you said, you're willing to turn to a

855
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:55.000
submissive mode almost immediately. Do you have any thoughts about,

856
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.159
let's see, if a person was wanting to try to

857
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:04.000
have some kind of interaction with the watchers, what you

858
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.079
might recommend for them to do when they're in a

859
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:07.760
certain area.

860
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.960
And like I said, from the time I was little,

861
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.559
he taught me, and I think that was his way

862
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:16.800
of protecting me because he knew they were going to

863
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.320
be around where I was at, and that was basically,

864
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:25.960
be respectful, don't threaten them, don't be a threat to them.

865
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:28.719
And like with the little ones when they're having they

866
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.639
have little ones, it's just like us. We're going to

867
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.119
protect our child to the death or I will. Maybe

868
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.079
some parents don't, but I do no matter what. My

869
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.239
child is first, and I will fight you to the death.

870
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:45.000
They're the same. So you want to be very cautious.

871
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.000
You don't want to do anything to be like youre's

872
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.760
gonna like charging into the woods. People say, I've seen it,

873
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:56.519
so I just charged into there I wanted to see. No,

874
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.440
you'll get better results is to sit down, be quiet.

875
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.239
If you have something that you can put out as

876
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.639
an offering with a candy bar, it can be they

877
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.480
like shiny things. If it's something simple, it doesn't have

878
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.079
to be. It's all in keeping your emotions under control.

879
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.679
If you're all hyped up and either scared or you're

880
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:26.480
all crazy, if you sit down quietly and you're calm

881
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.880
and cool. And I know that's hard to do. Believe

882
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.760
in me, I've got taught a lot of lessons in

883
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:36.719
my lifetime. Control of my emotions was the hardest thing

884
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.800
because I have a temper. My temper was the worst

885
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.159
thing in the world that I had to learn to

886
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.559
control my temper, and to this day, I still have

887
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.559
a temper. But one I was generousness. You don't want

888
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:52.440
to push your you don't want to push your luck.

889
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.440
You don't want to push the boundaries if you feel threatened,

890
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.000
if you follow your senses. If you walk into a

891
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.079
yard and there's a dog in there, and that dog

892
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:04.039
his head's down and he's given you that eye, you're going, oh,

893
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.000
I don't think he's a good Dogie think O. I

894
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.880
think I'll let him go or not interact with him.

895
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:15.719
Same feeling. You get that feeling. You have that sense

896
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:20.079
in there, just follow it. If you feel uncomfortable, you

897
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:24.280
feel threatened, you geel scared, back up, back away. If

898
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.000
you leave and back away quietly and calmly, they will

899
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:33.719
bother you. If you challenge, they react to that challenge,

900
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:39.679
and they react to your emotions. Like I said, I

901
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.039
am Shawnee descent. I still have elders that and I'm

902
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.480
an elder too, but I still have people that I

903
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.039
answer to, and these watchers are part of their family too.

904
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.039
I'm not the only one. People think. God No, I

905
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.719
am not the only one. And these are very important

906
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.760
to us. Their safety is very important to us, the

907
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.000
ability to live freely. Just like all the animals are

908
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.039
losing their home. You know, the forests are coming down.

909
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.199
So not just the watchers, but the bear. I got

910
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:14.679
bobcats coming in Normally they don't come into a home site.

911
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.440
It might still chick come over in there. All of

912
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.559
this is happening, so there's going to be more interactions.

913
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:26.039
All of those non believers someday move step out and

914
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:29.719
come face to face and not know what to do

915
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:33.480
because they don't believe. And that's absolutely there. I have

916
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:37.559
full respect for everybody in their way. I've had people

917
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.159
tell me the Watchers are evil, they're demonic, they come

918
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:44.840
from the giants that came down and had children with

919
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:48.800
the humans, and now these are the demons that that's

920
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:54.280
not true. The Watchers simply watch over us. Are is

921
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.480
the Moonlight people came which that's another race of people

922
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:02.039
had children with the Shawnee, not just Shawnee, but other tribes,

923
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:06.119
other two and the Watchers were left behind to guard

924
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:11.800
the children of these people. That's our art theory. And

925
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:16.119
but just for protection. Like I said, the Watchers are

926
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.760
here and they're going to be seen more and more.

927
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.320
They're not evil beings. They're not the demons from hell.

928
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.440
They are not of the devil. I believe in heaven

929
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.280
and Hell. I believe in God. I believe in my creator.

930
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.400
My creator created everything the same as God created everything.

931
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So one, you know, they're both the same. Evil in

932
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.599
the world. Absolutely there is evil. My thing is, don't look.

933
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:47.519
Just because they're big and ugly doesn't mean that these

934
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:50.960
are evil beings. It just means they're different. People in

935
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:54.280
the world are different. We have different people. Doesn't mean

936
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.920
that I have one person is worse than the other,

937
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.719
or one person better than the other. But it's going

938
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to have happen. And I love my Watchers. I also

939
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:09.239
love my people, So like I said, it's the only

940
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.800
reason I'm doing this. I'm not looking to get famous.

941
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.000
I'm not. I don't make no money off of any

942
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:20.920
of this. This is just simply I guess to put

943
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:26.480
the word out and so people could be aware there's

944
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.519
going to be more. It doesn't mean that these are

945
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:33.360
evil things. And I'm like I said, I go to church.

946
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:37.679
I do not believe in or don't practice anything evil.

947
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.960
Everybody has their right to their own opinion and whatever

948
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.440
they think. But all I'm asking for is an open mind.

949
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.800
Absolutely. And Donna, this has been I think a great conversation.

950
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.400
Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Donna,

951
00:55:56.519 --> 00:56:01.199
and for sharing what you've experienced in you've learned about

952
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.159
regarding the Watchers down there in southeast Ohio. And it's

953
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:07.480
been a privileged to talk to you today.

954
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.960
Oh, thank you so much for the honor and the

955
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.320
opportunity just to get my story out there. Like I said,

956
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:18.440
I'm down. That's more kind of my ulterior motive what

957
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.159
I said. And I hope somewhere along the way it

958
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:24.559
has helped both and everybody and everything.

959
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.519
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

960
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.760
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

961
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:36.559
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

962
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.440
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

963
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:42.679
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

964
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.159
to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something

965
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.159
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

966
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.199
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

967
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.079
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

968
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.599
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

969
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.320
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

970
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:07.000
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

971
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.199
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

972
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.679
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

973
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.559
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

974
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:21.000
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

975
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.960
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

976
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.480
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

977
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.280
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA, or

978
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:34.639
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

979
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:39.519
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

980
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:44.800
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

981
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.679
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

982
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:53.519
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

983
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:57.840
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

984
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.760
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

985
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.280
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

986
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.440
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

987
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.360
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

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995
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996
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.159
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997
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you are. Thanks again for following along with the Big

1005
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:05.440
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1006
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:07.719
your gut, and never stop asking what else might be

1007
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.239
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