Shawnee Woman Reveals Southeast Ohio Bigfoot Encounter That Will Change Your Beliefs

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Donna Coopus today from down there in the great state of Ohio, and welcome to the show. Donna. How are you doing today, ma'am.

0:44 I'm doing pretty good. Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely a little background about how we got connected. Donna had heard my episode where I talked to mister Brian Sawyer, and then after that there was a connection that was made and then here we are today. Donna's wanting to share some things that she has experienced over the years. Welcome to the show, of course, and anything else that you would want to share for background before we get started today, Donna, I. Guess just I'm a Shawnee descent. I lived in the country in the whole life. My dad was a hunter, trapper doug Roots. He was worn in a little cabin back actually in the woods Fastilius. That sounds that he was born in nineteen twenty seven, So his home was actually a cabin deep in the woods. And he grew up hunting and fishing, and that was their way of life.

1:42 They grew everything that they needed. And then I proceeded from there. I was on a three hundred acre farm that basically provided everything we needed. We had the orchards, we had eleven acres of berries. The animals were the cattle, the pigs, chickens. Everything we needed came from the farm. So that's how I grew up. And then I left that home from the home for my children and another big farm. And I've always been in the country and I'm still deep in the country and in the woods. And then, like I said, I'm Shawnee. So the watchers has I don't call them bigfoot or Sasquatch. I call them the watchers. That's far away and that's how my story begins.

2:29 Would it be something where you would want to share your name that's attached to your Shawnee heritage as well? Totally up to you. Absolutely. I am Wabbi a Yappia Tamponia. I am the white wolf woman. And as my grandmother called me, the dream walker, the dream walkers, I walked in my sleeve, soay, she'll be said, I walked between the worlds and how I am. I to add, also interacted with the watchers as my grandmother did. This is generation to generate, it's not. It wasn't uncommon for us. And the first time I saw the watchers, I was six years old and there was a county fair in town. And Dad had his rules.

3:12 I was always taking care of them at me. But if you wanted something, you had to be responsible. You had to work for so much of that money or for what you wanted. You had to be productive, so I might like I said, my dad was a hunter trappery, dug roots or every kind of roots, and we would ship them at the end of the year. That was part of our income. On this day, the fair had been there, and which I loved the fair. I wanted to do that was one of my big things. And the pony cart races. I love those. So Dad's okay, I'll take you know, I'll take out and you can you can do roots. And that was going to be my money for the fair. And that morning I was all excited and I'm running around like crazy getting all the chores done because I had to feed the chickens and get the cap speed bottle cabs usansithy and with a bottle, and so I hurried around because I didn't want to I didn't want to be bad and like, get to go. And when I got down to feed the chicken, we had an old set in hen that was mean or oh my god, she's just pitched pieces all of you, and so I skirt her down around her.

4:19 I got everything done, got the eggs gathered, and grabbed my feet sacks and the mattic and so madic and you did bose roots with and I headed back to dying Pearl died. He was still at the breakfast table. He was drinking his last of his coffee and I was like a kid, been all excited. I was like, I want to go and to go, so finally he just gave up. But he always gave in to me. Honestly, I was terribly pulled, and so I always had real, really long hair. My grandma would braid it real tight. He ruffled my hair up and he's, aw, now come on, we'll go. So we went. We went deep back into the woods and got back here and there's a big patch of yellow root. That's what we was going to do get day. It's called it's golden sealed, but we call it gallery. And you have to separate the roots from the tops. Dad did most of the dig and I dug some, but mostly I just cleaned it. I separated and roots win one bag and the tops and the other because they sold separate. And we've been doing that for a good long time. And finally that's that chewed tobacco. But we raised tobacco. We I had Acory joined the farm, and he would go to the barn and get the long green and he would chew that.

5:30 He wore bed. So he went over, he took his tobacco out, and he got up and walked over. There's a stump close by, and he laid down on that stump and then he said, now come on, we're gonna go. And of course I'm grumbling. I don't want to go, because he's this is my money for the fare, and I'm gonna make sure I got enough. And he said, now come on. I said, we're gonna go, and I knew when he said that the tone changed, so you knew that was it. You're want to go. And I got up in a steel point and digna in the dirt and pull on his hand. He took my hand because I shoot, it's like I said, come on. And as we walked away, I turned and I looked back and there's right, no more than thirty feet from where we were sating digging, this huge black figure stood up and he took up tobacco, and of course he scared me to death. I'd never seen him before. And I took that and just headed back up through the cliffs, just walking up through there and nonshown as can be.

6:31 Of course, I'm scared, and that's that. Come on now, he said, he won't bother you if you don't bother him. I'm on us go. And that was my first experience with the Watchers, and I believe that was my introduction from God to show me and teach me, because from then on I got taught the ways and respect and how to deal with them and their markers and all the things that they did. And I grew up with them being part of my life and I was part of their So that was my first experience and it continued and it still does to this day. I still have interactions with them. I grew up on that farm with them being there and dough my life on my farm.

7:19 Our farms are more than six miles apart from each other, so we were fairly close. And the whole area is just woods and we got fields. But I grew up playing in the woods. That was my thing is run to the bar and jump on the pony, go to the woods. I could run and play back. Then if I bothered you and you were saved. And the woods where I playground. And so that's how my life began. Wow, I have some questions for you right off the bat. I know we're just getting into it. So this area we're talking about right now, where this interaction happened. This is southeast Ohio, right right? Gotcha? Is it a thing where we are We're leaving it. We're leaving the location a little vague as we'll just say, Southeast Ohio. That's our comfort level. Okay, very good. Right now about this interaction was the tobacco. Do you think that the pack was left there as a gift or was it something where your father had just left it there and then the watchers swooped in and pretty much took it and then left.

8:28 No, it was a gift, because we do gifting in the tobacco was a big part. Of course, tobacco and Native American ceremony is a big combination. Of course, this mud use a sage, sweet grass seed or the ghostberries, and tobacco is a big part. And so a tobacco offering is a sign of respect and that dad would do that. And of course my grandmother she makes or she made I'm sorry she passed away, but homemade apple cakes. This is a cake, homemade case and you cook the apples and it is put into there and then the icing for the cake is like you may come made apple sauce. So it's basically very sweet and a very huge pan. But it's our offerings. There's other things we do.

9:17 It's not just these two things. But that was that's offering that day. Very interesting was the tobacco packaged in any certain way when it was left as a gift to the watcher. No, because we, like I said, we grew tobacco. So when you cut the tobacco. I don't know if you know anything about tobacco farming or not, but when you cut your tobacco, you cut the stalks and then you spear it onto the tobacco sticks and you hang it in the barn where it dries, and then it's taken down. It's stripped into three different grades for selling. And so Dad would always save some of that because it chewed tobacco. He never smoked. Everybody with chew tobacco. And the long green that's what we call it as the tobacco plants are long green. Yeah, and so no, he would just go out and pick the leaves off and he'd fold them and twist them. He'd fold them down and then do a twist. And that was your chewing tobacco. And it's very bitter, I'll be honest. It's not like the store bought tobacco that you bought. It's different because they put the they process it when they sell it in the stores. This was in process. This is straight long green.

10:30 Born that's so interesting. This comes up a lot in recent more modern day interviews where people are still doing this gifting Fashionedually it's packet in some sort of I guess it's not given in the same way that you would be doing unprocessed, because it's more like in a little bag, I think. Anyways, this is very interesting. It literally picked up the folded over leaves and then just walked off into the woods with them. Yeah, okay, but I honestly, like I said, I think that was dad's dad's way of introducing me, because he interacted with him some of the time he was a child. He'd actually told me about his first interaction with when he was little, because, like I said, he grew up a cabin he grew up in. It sets deep in the woods and there's some mountain there. And of course back then nineteen twenty said, there's no indoor plumbing. Water come from the spring. That's you know, had the outhouse or whatever. And he was little and he said he had to go bathroom. So his mom had taken him outside.

11:34 He says, only like three or four, and she had taken him out to the bathroom and it was dark as nighttime, and she hadn't taken him all the way to the outhouse. She'd take him over to the edge of the yard. And he said he was there and then this huge just like with me, this huge black figure had loomed over top of him. And of course he's used the baby, this little boy, and I was scared that ageminees out of it a way, he said it. And he said his mom just walked over and she stopped him up in her arms and said she put her hand up, pull them up and held her hand out and said, no, my baby. And he said this, he described the same thing. Excuse me, huge black figure, Harry, And they said he it just walked back up into the woods and walked away. But he said that was the first time he had saw them. But he grew up with his mom interacting with them too. He told stories about my grandmother with Shawnee. We always raised our animals and food came from the earth. But in the summertime, you pick greens and you get like the wild green onions and the shawnee let us, you know, the dandelion greens.

12:55 That kind of stuff was just a whole multitude of different plants that you eat. And she liked those, the wild onions, and it was a wild onion patch that wasn't too far away, and he said she would go there to get the onions. And while she would be setting on one side picking the onions pulling you had to pull them from the branch, they would be one of them on the other side, so they would be sharing the onion patch and it was just common. It was not an abnormal thing for them. This they were part of their lives. And that's how I grew up and was taught too. Of course I didn't have that exactly that kind of interaction.

13:40 Yes, yes, yes, So when just for contexts, like when you're having your interaction where you have your first sighting out of the watcher, what approximate year would you say that was? And then you see about nineteen sixty. Eight, okay, And when your father has that sighting as a very young child, what approximate year do you think that would have been? Oh, probably around nineteen thirty one, thirty two, Okay. Dad's born in twenty seven, and he said he was no more than three or four years old. He remembered it as being very small.

14:22 And then the last story about interacting having interactions in the onion field or the onion pad across the way and there. What approximate time period would that have taken place in? Yeah, that would have been in the thirty Okay, oh my goodness. Based on what you've heard and also what you've you saw during the interaction your father was there with you, would you say that the watchers have a more ape like look to them, or they have more human and like features, or how would you describe their physical appearance.

15:05 They're not all the same, not exactly their face, of course, there's they're hairy, and they got their long hair. The palms of their hands are smooth, the palms of their feet are smooth. And around their eyes it's not it's smoother like around the eyes, there's not hairy, it's not harry. It's more smooth. They do have that punch that I call it the punched in look. Their nose doesn't protrude. It's more flatter and whiter. Now they've been asked that before because of the ears. The Watchers' ears are flattered to their head. They're not pointed or stick up like an animal. They're not like the what they call the dog man thing. That's a different thing. So I guess, yeah, you would. It's if I had to put out a word to it, I guess it would be neander ball and gorilla. And that's not exact either, that because they're they're big, and their hands are of course they have nails, but they're not like people portray them, like having these big long claws. They have more nail type. It's nails, but of course they're big, but they're not like the claws of a woof or something like that. These are more human like to me, that's the way I look at it. Their feet when I've got castings and the

16:38 footprints and stuff where they've stepped over the years. Of course I've seen a lot, and they're feet are more. Of course they're big and huge. They leave the they're like a flat footed on this human foot, but it's it's flat, it's not they don't have an art. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's there's more. They're different, not exactly like the human foot, but a lot like huge foot. Sure, how long would you see the footprints are that you've gotten casts of. I've gotten everything up to the young one. I have a young one that was only like maybe fourteen inches.

17:23 But then I have some that's in the snow that literally are twenty four inches long and they're probably twelve white. They are huge. The mass of that was from twenty sixteen. I believe it was on March sixteenth, there were thirteen inches of snow. And actually these came from my mother in law was also Shawnny, and she was in her nineties when she was moved from the home place to my sister in law that there was an eight frame right of and she had gotten up in The footprints were coming from my grandmother house passed her house from my mother in law, not my grandmother, her mother. And I have those pictures. I have the pictures in the snow, and she had taken them. She actually did an interview for me and told me she won't she doesn't want her name told or she's someone to give these to you.

18:17 This but the thing that they attached to you is like my dad had his own watcher. And I believe because my mother in law, again she grew up in the woods. This woman she picked berry, she dug roots, she did the whole thing. This is a mountain one. So she grew up the same way my dad did, in the same area my dad did, so when they moved her, I believe he followed her because it wasn't that far away where she got moved from the home place to this other site where she lived until she passed away. So I think he just followed her. And because with my dad, when my dad got has stroke and he was eighty four, so I moved him from the big farm and I brought him here, so he had to be a turtle care so I took care of him and mom both here. I put him oble home in my front yard, and then I built a room so I could see them, just glass so I could see straight out. And every night I would God had been here probably about a month, and every night I would go he wouldn't go to bed till like midnight.

19:29 He wanted to watch the news, mad's little routine, and of course he I had to help him literally put him to bed and get him situated for the night. And I would walk from my house down there, and he'd been here about a month and I had put down to bed and it was round three in the morning. Now my house is built into the woods, and my bedroom, like I said, I'm a widow and I love my woods. So my bedroom was plate glass windows because I like and I don't put anything on. I like seeing my woods. I have a little creek beside my house, and I had a door that came from my bedroom outside. And this was back in nineteen ninety four, and I just had the old time screen door. I didn't have a storm door. I don't know if you a country screen door is. It's just a frame with screen on it.

20:19 There's no glass or nothing like that. And I would leave that door open, and I would have raised my windows and a combination of it. In the trees under the one, I've got springs, and then the creek. I didn't have to have an air condition or anything. The breeze just flows through. It's cool in the nighttime. So I left all that open, and a boy a month after it died, being here very o'clock in the morning, the smell woke me up, and my first thing I thought about was, oh, my gosh, the septic blew up. Something happened, because it was horrible smell. And I got up and looked, and I didn't see anything. I couldn't find anything. And then it went away and that went on like the third night. You know, I seen the shape move because there's a big glass window, and I saw the figure move. And then in my mind, I'm thinking, because we have bear here, kady bear, we have bobcat everything, and I'm thinking, it's a bear that's came down out of the woods. So I did close my big door.

21:18 And I have a big wooden door, so I closed it. But the next night when I went out to go to Don's, but I always carry a gun. I've always carried a gun with me because I live in woods. And I got out the front door and I got a whiff on the breeze of the smell. And then at the corner there I had left the big cedar tree in the edge of my yard for shade. I saw a movement. And I've been I hunt. I've been taught the track, I hunt the whole thing. And you're taught don't run, because if you run, you become prey. So I moved real easy and got into the house and Died's when the world's wrong for you, you doesn't lose your mind. I said, no, die, I said there's a bear out there. There ain't no bear out there, said Din, there's a bear out there. I sit behind a tree. I said, up, been seeing something the last few nights. He said, you show me. So I helped him up and go hi over to the door, and he looked out and he just went on. He said, don't worry about it. He said, you leave him alone.

22:20 He'll leave you alone. And in my mind it clicked from his word, because I've been taught by all my life leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. I said, you don't mean it, and he said, yeah, he's just watching, and he said he you need doing nothing. But he would come and stand behind that tree and watch me till I put down in the bed and he'd stand there for a while, and he never heard nothing, never bother nothing. He just watched. And it went on again with a few months there, or four months, and one moved died. I left. He had one hog left and sold off all the cabs and everything, and I brought it. And now it's a big grown south hog. And she's big. She's the four hundred pounds. So when she stood up, she's well bigger. I'm five foot three. She's way told her to me, way bigger than me. And so you can imagine how tall her pen had to be so she couldn't come over the tops. And this night I put back to bed and I hear these horrible screams.

23:20 There's like an elephant trumpeting of smiling, screaming, fighting, and I thought, oh my jump up now. Like I said, I've always I have a good and I have a it's a British infield three oh three. It's an old army rifle, and I have armor piercing so it reaches out a good long ways and I can blow up a motor block. It's got some knockdown power and I keep it by the door. But I never picked it up. I'm just barefooted in my nightgown and I ran out the front door. God don't ask me why, because I'm never that irresponsible. I'm always pick up something. But those screams shocked me so much. And I went on down because where the pig pin was is on past the houses, and I have a creek, have to cross over a bridge and the creeks, and the pins down by the creeks, and so I went that far. And I still hear those screaming and fighting. It's like in the woods because I'm down. I sit down low, and then there's like hillsides all around me, and then it dawns on me.

24:27 I'm standing out there and hearing this one on and in my mind, I go, oh my god, you dummy, you're outside. You don't have no gun, nobody knows you're out here, and God can't get outside to help you. To get the heck back to the house, and I said, I came back in and I got I stayed in the door and I could hear that. But that went through the pig pin down there. It just stepped over and then it was two steps and off the other side through the creek, and then the chicken coops were on the other side, and it just absolutely towards chicken coops and pieces. I just had just burst through, beaten and whatever died had. I had a bull mask and I pit bull mixed old dog whose name was Jake, and he was a big old dog, but he was really old. And then I heard Jake scream and this horrible, Oh my gosh, I still think about this day, the terrible scream. And I thought, you first, didn't think you want to go. I was going to go help the dog in I could not physically go out the door.

25:30 Something premented me from stepping out that door, whether that was my fear cammon sense. Even with the gun, I've reached put my hand down on the gun and then I just put it back, and I was like no. But the next morning I go out and those footprints were eight The footprints that went through the pig pens with its mud was eighteen inches long. And I found the dog. He was still alive. He had been bitten, had like through his hind quarters, three his backbone, through his private parties, like he'd been picking up, picked up, and just these big puncture wounds. And he don't ask me how he lived, because he was pretty horrible, but he did. And of course he was old and he never moved around much after that. But but that thing that night, it traveled on down the road. There's an old lady's a few miles down and she had little dogs, and she actually called the cops, and the cops came out.

26:30 And there's always just coyotes. That was not coyotes. I'm living in the country in my whole life. That's not coyotes. But it went on up when you got to the main road, all the way through there. It was attacking dogs, and I wasn't the only one that heard it that night and probably seen it. But the next day, the next night, that's watcher was back and there's no nothing violent about it. It didn't do anything. It was just like normal. So I'm not sure what happened that night. But actually just a couple of months ago, with just has been you know, I have not told my stories.

27:11 I just started doing this and there's a reason for me doing it, and I'll explain that later. A gentleman said, you do you think he would that the watcher was fighting with a dog man, And I was like, I never really had interactions with a dog man. I never even I never thought they were real things. I've heard the stories of the legends, but I never thought that. I thought it was just some of my Shawnee stories. But then this last October bit, the one before, I had actually went on a hike. I do. I'll do ten mile hikes back in the woods. Sometimes I spend the night. I have my own place, but I wasn't in my area that time. This other girl that was hiking those two other girls, and she wanted to show me a new area it was one of her places, and it ain't even in this county. This is a different county that had never ever been to ever, and we did. It was like six miles. We went deep woods and just life and joking, having a good time.

28:16 And it was getting evening time and it wasn't dark, but it was getting evening and we had hiking back out and the trail there's only one one way in, one way out you have to go. And I looked down the trail and I seen I thought it was a turkey, like a big giant turkey. And I said, what is that? And she looks and she's, I don't know, I don't know what is that? And of course she had a fight. I didn't even have a phone with me or anything. I don't carry it because normally in the woods, and I don't take a lot of pictures, and the girls had their phone, so they was doing that and she tried just so I can't get it. I can't see what it is. So we keep going farther.

29:00 We're gone, getting a little bit worried because it's getting bigger. The farther we go, it's getting bigger. And now the third girl I've seen it, and she's, oh, my gosh, what is that? And I was like, is it had a head showed up like a German shepherd head? And I was like, oh, my gosh, is that like a big dog? And then I got concerned because we're in the woods and we don't know if this is a dog. Is mean, what is this? And I carry a pistol, I carry a three eighty and a pouch and I did I pulled it around and of course I carry spare clips with it too, and I walk with a staff and the girl she's looking, she's I'm finding a stick.

29:41 But she finally found not a big stick or something. I guess it made her feel better and or keep going and she's what is that? It's just getting bigger and bigger. I don't know. All of a sudden there was a dough jumped up and ran off through the woods. But this thing is on the ground and it's tracking. I don't know if you've ever seen a dog track or not. Those to the ground and over the back and forth, like getting a scent. It was doing that, and we kept moving, and the pleasure we get, the bigger it's getting. Now I'm to the point that I'm really concerned, and she's scared, and we're getting a little ancy, but there's no way for us to get out except to go past there. We have to go. So we're talking and so many somebody threw a dog out, Maybe somebody's throwing a ball making it jump up, whatever, and maybe it's just like a big some kind of big breaded dog, and all of a sudden it comes up on two legs. We're getting closer and it comes up on two legs, and it went off to the right into the woods, the same way that dough deer had went.

30:49 It went into the woods, and by this time we're closer. There's not a bird, there's not an insect. It's totally stone quiet. Every hair on your head is stand. I'm on full guard. I'm I don't get scared because I grew up in the woods and I've dealt with a lot of different things. But I'm this is Everybody is nervous and they're scared, and I'm not scared, but I'm very concerned. So my hands on that pistol and I'm ready. And we had to get past that area. And we get up to the car, which I have my daughter's new You know, you hit the button on the keybob to unlock the doors, it won't work. It's like a horror movie. And I was like, oh my gosh, you won't unlock. It won't unlock, So I have to take the key and unlock the door. It's harder with the new cars because you gotta get to all this rigular rope.

31:42 And by this time she's I gotta pee, I gotta pe, I gonna pie. It's like whatever, I'm getting inside. And I finally get it open and we get inside, and we left, and I'm honestly, I still don't know what I saw. All I know was it was on the ground. It looked like a dog. It was massive, but when it stood up, it was the size of the man, and it walked on two legs. So that that was a very different experience for me. The watchers, yes, I see them, and they don't didn't get that feeling, which that was different to them.

32:27 Wow, so you've got the watchers, You've also got dog Man as well. Do you think that in your area? Are they ever interacting? Are they in close proximity to each other? Do you think they have a boundary set up? I like I said all the time I was growing up, I've seen the watchers. I never saw the dog man. I've heard stories of them. I've heard different of course, the watchers makes a different sound than the house. But here lately, over the last two years, I've seen more evidence that there is some kind of other creature. I actually got a picture. I camped out staring back in the cliffs and I picked up on my trail can as one of the watchers squatted down seven, which is very rare. Believe me, you don't really get that kind of stuff. But this thing which everybody's looking at, and that's a dog man because it does look and it has ears, it looks more of that kind of thing was on the cliff above me. And I didn't even know I got the picture because I have one of those little it's a go cad videos in front and behind you, so I didn't even know that I picked that up because I was just leaving. I like going back in the woods. I still nothing keeps me out of my woods. That's just who I am. And but that the howls I've picked up on my trail cans

33:59 are definitely so whatever is going on which my theory is this in this area that's a Shawnee land, that Shawnee was taken from this area sacred land, and there's a four hundred acres track of woods that hasn't been touched in over two hundred years. There's no logging. This is their home and it started getting logged a couple of years ago. They started logging it and they've taken out massive amount of timber which has invaded their home. So now they're moving out and about into different areas.

34:41 So we've had more sightings here. There's another group that comes here that have been coming here for years and they had a kind of really scary experience where they got ran out. Actually it's a night stalker group and they actually ended up selling their story to our Discovery channel. It's a tear in the woods, hunt up my Bigfoot, and that's from this area. And I actually go out with them sometimes and just a few months ago. I don't do vocals. I have recordings from all the way back in nineteen ninety four, like on the old cassettes, from hearing them their talk or their vocals or whatever, their chatter, different things, and I don't do that. When they come I go, I guide for them. I'll be evodied sometimes or whatever. And they're my friends, so we just hang out together too, and they had picked up some more they've had now they I never I only started going out into the woods with them a couple of years ago. Before that, I literally were getting bombarded with rocks going through the top of their car, busting their windshield. Then after I started going. The one lady, which she's an older woman, but she's an absolutely wonderful lady, very intelligent, very fearless, and she said, we don't care rock stowed at us any more. Should I think I had something to do with you, doesn't it? I never, because this area where we go I consider a mind.

36:10 It's like we've interacted, so we have our own little way of communicating, and they can be very protective of me at times, but then I am with them. It's a strange. I guess people think you was crazy when you say that, So there's no such thing. You're just nuts or some kind of paranoid idiot. I don't have any meno issues. I'm very high IQ actually, and this is just part of my heritage and my family. And honestly, like I said, I'm not the only one that season from here. But with the things that's going on, the logging, them being disruptive and brought out, it's a safety issue, not just for them but for humans because people are seeing them more. They don't the first instinct is when they sing, they want to shoot them. They don't need to do that. They don't do Just like Dad said, you leave them alone. They'll live your life. But if you get violent with them, don't get violent back. So I have a hidden agenda. This is my way of protecting them both. Wow.

37:20 I've just been sitting here listening the whole time. Fascinating stories, Donna. And I'm also remembering my conversation with Brian Sawyer as you've been talking, and just some of the things he was explaining to me about probably the same area. I'm going to have to go back and listen to our conversation again. Has there ever been a time where you feel like you've had any types of communication between yourself and the watchers that have been in the area. Oh, yeah, we do communicate. Like I said, it's it's like telepathic type thing. I know what they're I can feel their feelings, they can feel mine when they're getting agitated.

38:10 I become agitated. I feel that, and they do communicate. It's not like they have words I don't. I've never heard them speak English. Now, I have heard them make like the show. I have the ancient Shawnee language and I use it sometimes. I've heard them mimic some of the Shawnee. It's a they do like this ooh ooh. That's the only way I can explain it. But it's actually a Shawnee word. And what it means is come back. If it's their way of signaling the others to come back to the caves, it's danger come back. Move back. Yeah, I But as far as hearing them say their name or an English name or no, I've never I give them names just for my own personal I call like the grandfather of the old one. I have some young ones here now. Actually that's been more active the old Like I said, the way I explain it is the old ones I grew up with. I grew up at the same time I did. The young ones has grown up seeing me me being there. I bring gifts, I bring food, and I don't do like the howlings that I do. I have a howl that I can do.

39:37 But what I do is I play flute music. I do drumming chants, more peaceful, calm time of thing. That's how we interact. And when they come I have so I have slave bells. So when I put my gifts out, I use those slave bells and it's just like this, you know what the sound of slave beals. But they it's not like I see them every day. Don't get me wrong. It's not that they can be standing right in front of you and you won't see them. They have the ability to I call it the shimmer. Somehow they turn and that doesn't mean they're not there. They're there, but they have a cloaking ability. I call it like a chameleon. You know how the chameleons can hide right in a tree, a green snake in the grass. It's not that they're not there, but they change. So they just blend in with the surroundings and you just think you're looking at a tree or you're looking at a bush or they have that ability. So people say, oh, nothing walking, and then they go, why don't you find like bones or whatever. First off, they take care of their own. That's like the Shawnee have a thing and we bury our own, we take care of our own, and they do the same thing. And if something does happen, But then if you look at the animals, the composition

41:10 of an animal that dies in the woods, it takes very little time for the scavengers to pick it clean and carry it away. But that really doesn't happen with them. They have their own way of doing. They take care of their own. So it's fascinating. And things that you're saying are definitely reminding me of other conversations. So the shimmer and remind me. Have you seen that happen as well? Have you seen it where you're looking at a watcher and that starts to shimmer and then say it.

41:51 Out yeah, yeah, Actually again, I'll refer back to the night watcher group. And this wasn't this summer. It was the summer before, and the one gentleman Miller. It's Mike Miller, That's what he had said. And that night the moon was full and there was a group and all there was about eight all around us, and I knew they were there. Of course, people doubt you, so I don't really say anything. I just ask that question, I answered vaguely. And he had said I would do anything just to see one. He saw one that would love to see one. We're setting and deep in the woods and the moon comes up, and I knew that the old one was there.

42:36 I knew he was there because he was watching Basically this probably I don't talk about this kind of thing, but if a woman is on her monthly, I'll call it. They shouldn't be in the woods. It's the precautions for a bear. They tell you be very cautious around that time. Same thing applies the young lady that was there. I didn't say anything until later after we were in the woods and she said showing my period, and I go, oh gosh, and so that will that effects. There's are an effect. And they were pretty close and Mike was setting that he sets a chair down. They they sed their cars out and they sat in the dark. Then'll use lights at all, total pitch black. The moon coming out, and I had been watching him head was in the tree line, and I knew he was there. And finally the moon had came up and he stepped from the tree line out into the plain sight and Mike that already came out of the chair and it's like just calm stay calm, Just stay calm, and he's like I am, but and he's just in awe. Not only did he see it that night, but there was a couple other of the group was sawid. The girl was there, but she turned her back and I said, don't you used to know? I'm too scared and she turned her back.

43:55 And then there was another gentleman that didn't. But the other there was three of the same solid this may saw him that night. But then he simply took two steps back into the trees and he was there. They thought he was gone. He wasn't. He just stepped back, turned and they can't see him no more. So. Yeah, they have that ability to be there and not be there. From what you've heard over the years, the interactions with the watchers that you've heard and you've experienced, I guess besides the things with the dogs, have there been any aggressive interactions with humans or is there usually some kind of understanding there where that stuff just doesn't happen.

44:45 In that area. No, there has been more violent There was a report not just a few months ago in another area some people on a four wheeler said they had gotten things starred at them and they are actually got chased. Now, I did get Like I said, this was a couple of years ago. I got hit. But it wasn't their fault. This was I don't look at it like it was trying to hurt me again. Mike and them was here and they had did a lot of vocals close by, and he had asked me to go out just if I could hear it because I'm down in the valley below where they were at. And I did. It was like probably twelve o'clock at night or something, it was later in the night, and I did.

45:27 I came in from work and I still had a skirtle one I had to put tennis shoes on. I had changed into them, and I walked once I walked back to the back of my property. Once I passed the barns, it's pitch black because it's just the woods and I have a greenhouse. And i'd gotten back and I heard the screaming in the woods. I could hear like some kind of battle one on or whatever. But in my mind, I thought, that's Mike. That's him putting off the calls back at the other cabin. So I just kept going and as I get back there, I'd been working, so I had a little my garden killer and wherever the garden is, so there's buckets, and I had a little red iglue cooler, a small cooler, and it had been setting back against the trees where I had popped and ice in it and water and it comes flying out. I'm back in the pitch black and I've got the phone in my hand because I was a messaging mike and then I lost a signal and I'm still holding it, but I'm just pitch black. And that comes flying out and it hit me into side to go on the hip, and the force of it knocked me down, and I'm thinking, oh crap, you know what the heck? Because I can hear now. I see the trees. I see the trees being pushed, fairly good sized trees. I see them swaming and pushing and these screams and I'm like, oh crap, that's like the screams I heard when it attacked my dog. And it came down and there's a where the path is. But at

47:00 the last minute, he's big. He's big. I have the smaller one, which I call him mine. He's ten, which the big guy is, and he's more black and he comes charging out the other side and they interact right there. He literally just jumps on him. And that was my chance to get up. So let me tell you it was not easy because I took a pretty good I took a pretty good hit. But I got back down to the barn, and I keep a twelve gauge pump shot down in the barn and I have buckshot in that and I break up and I pulled it out, and then I thought, no, you dummy, and again in my head, I'll always like you dummy. Just get to the house because my big house had burned a few years ago and I have a smaller cabin down by the road. After a mom and dad got foodstick, I moved him down a close the road because of sitting squads, you know, just taking care of him. So I had to get across the bridge and back into my house.

48:02 And I didn't I can stier hear that all the way down into the house. I hear about battle going on. But they were already disrupted from the normal area their woods. So they're back in there with all that machinery tearing up the woods. They're already mad. They're already being four sty normal area. And then Mike puts off these calls. He puts off the woof calls, which is a battle cry, which I told him. I was like, that's a challenge. When you do that, that's a challenge. And then the next morning, yeah, and he goes. I was like, where did you go? So I went to bed. I was like, you did what? He's like, yeah, I got why. I was like, are you freaking killing me? You don't really go out there and you with the bed, I could have been killed. I was joking, but you know, yeah, they get violent, they get churse. Not everybody knows. I don't interact with and that way. Everything with me is calm and peaceful and giving. And if I feel like I've pushed my limit too far, I back out. I back away, and if I have a question, I do full submission mode. I'll hit my I'll go to the ground, I'll drop my head. It's like, I'm submissive. I'm not a challenge. I'm not going I'm not gonna I'm no threat.

49:27 But really, myself, I don't have that kind of problems that other people have. Yes, yeah, I can't tell you they're not they're dangerous. Yeah, it sounds. Yeah, definitely, it's something that you're treating it with respect, and as you said, you're willing to turn to a submissive mode almost immediately. Do you have any thoughts about, let's see, if a person was wanting to try to have some kind of interaction with the watchers, what you might recommend for them to do when they're in a certain area.

50:09 And like I said, from the time I was little, he taught me, and I think that was his way of protecting me because he knew they were going to be around where I was at, and that was basically, be respectful, don't threaten them, don't be a threat to them. And like with the little ones when they're having they have little ones, it's just like us. We're going to protect our child to the death or I will. Maybe some parents don't, but I do no matter what. My child is first, and I will fight you to the death. They're the same. So you want to be very cautious. You don't want to do anything to be like youre's gonna like charging into the woods. People say, I've seen it, so I just charged into there I wanted to see. No, you'll get better results is to sit down, be quiet.

51:01 If you have something that you can put out as an offering with a candy bar, it can be they like shiny things. If it's something simple, it doesn't have to be. It's all in keeping your emotions under control. If you're all hyped up and either scared or you're all crazy, if you sit down quietly and you're calm and cool. And I know that's hard to do. Believe in me, I've got taught a lot of lessons in my lifetime. Control of my emotions was the hardest thing because I have a temper. My temper was the worst thing in the world that I had to learn to control my temper, and to this day, I still have a temper. But one I was generousness. You don't want to push your you don't want to push your luck.

51:52 You don't want to push the boundaries if you feel threatened, if you follow your senses. If you walk into a yard and there's a dog in there, and that dog his head's down and he's given you that eye, you're going, oh, I don't think he's a good Dogie think O. I think I'll let him go or not interact with him. Same feeling. You get that feeling. You have that sense in there, just follow it. If you feel uncomfortable, you feel threatened, you geel scared, back up, back away. If you leave and back away quietly and calmly, they will bother you. If you challenge, they react to that challenge, and they react to your emotions. Like I said, I am Shawnee descent. I still have elders that and I'm an elder too, but I still have people that I answer to, and these watchers are part of their family too.

52:49 I'm not the only one. People think. God No, I am not the only one. And these are very important to us. Their safety is very important to us, the ability to live freely. Just like all the animals are losing their home. You know, the forests are coming down. So not just the watchers, but the bear. I got bobcats coming in Normally they don't come into a home site. It might still chick come over in there. All of this is happening, so there's going to be more interactions. All of those non believers someday move step out and come face to face and not know what to do because they don't believe. And that's absolutely there. I have full respect for everybody in their way. I've had people tell me the Watchers are evil, they're demonic, they come from the giants that came down and had children with the humans, and now these are the demons that that's not true. The Watchers simply watch over us. Are is the Moonlight people came which that's another race of people had children with the Shawnee, not just Shawnee, but other tribes, other two and the Watchers were left behind to guard the children of these people. That's our art theory. And but just for protection. Like I said, the Watchers are here and they're going to be seen more and more.

54:19 They're not evil beings. They're not the demons from hell. They are not of the devil. I believe in heaven and Hell. I believe in God. I believe in my creator. My creator created everything the same as God created everything. So one, you know, they're both the same. Evil in the world. Absolutely there is evil. My thing is, don't look. Just because they're big and ugly doesn't mean that these are evil beings. It just means they're different. People in the world are different. We have different people. Doesn't mean that I have one person is worse than the other, or one person better than the other. But it's going to have happen. And I love my Watchers. I also love my people, So like I said, it's the only reason I'm doing this. I'm not looking to get famous.

55:12 I'm not. I don't make no money off of any of this. This is just simply I guess to put the word out and so people could be aware there's going to be more. It doesn't mean that these are evil things. And I'm like I said, I go to church. I do not believe in or don't practice anything evil. Everybody has their right to their own opinion and whatever they think. But all I'm asking for is an open mind. Absolutely. And Donna, this has been I think a great conversation.

55:53 Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Donna, and for sharing what you've experienced in you've learned about regarding the Watchers down there in southeast Ohio. And it's been a privileged to talk to you today. Oh, thank you so much for the honor and the opportunity just to get my story out there. Like I said, I'm down. That's more kind of my ulterior motive what I said. And I hope somewhere along the way it has helped both and everybody and everything. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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