Dec. 23, 2025

Something Shoved Our Trailer in the Gifford Pinchot — We Were Not Alone

Something Shoved Our Trailer in the Gifford Pinchot — We Were Not Alone
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Season 1

In this episode, Joel Crawford and Cody Frost, two experienced overlanders, share a chilling overnight encounter deep in Washington State’s Gifford Pinchot National Forest, near Ape Canyon, Muddy River, and the infamous Dark Divide. What began as a routine camping trip quickly turned unsettling when unexplained radio-like static, heavy footsteps, and coordinated movement around their camp broke the silence of the forest.

As the night progressed, something physically shook a detached overland trailer, despite no visible animals or people nearby. Later, strange call-and-response vocalizations echoed through the ravine, moving rapidly through dense old-growth forest. Multiple members of the group—including children—heard the activity, confirming this was not an isolated experience.

This episode explores possible Sasquatch activity, unexplained phenomena reported by overlanders, and why the Gifford Pinchot National Forest continues to be one of the most mysterious and active areas for unexplained encounters in North America.

Resources

Jeremiah's hat worn in this episode provided by Squatch'n game and available at https://playitforwardstudios.com/

Joel and Cody on Salish Sasquatch Channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y07p13RgOU&t=1634s

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You're listening to bigfla Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, Hi, There few things to go

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over before this interview. Something crazy happened, Mike. Our phones malfunctioned,

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all sorts of weird stuff. It took me hours to

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salvage this interview. And you're going to hear some stuff

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where I don't know what happened. There were no female

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voices in the room on this side and anywhere in

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the interview, and you might hear some weird stuff. I'm

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just gonna leave it at that. Let me know what

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you think. Yeah, I don't like using post processing like

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I did, but it was the only way to get

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rid of the mic bleed that happened. Unfortunately, from here

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on out we will be really focusing more on making

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sure this doesn't happen again. So my apologies. It's a

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great interview. There's a lot of cool stuff. I liked it.

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Unfortunately the tech decided to play some tricks on me,

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so enjoy. Thank you guys for listening, and also I

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would really recommend to enjoy this interview. On the YouTube side,

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there's a lot of maps and stuff we go over,

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so definitely worth checking out.

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Thanks guys.

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All right, Big Close Society, you've got the privilege of

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talking to individuals.

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Today.

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We have Joel Crawford and Cody Frost.

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How's it going, guys, Hey, going really really well, doing great.

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Thank you absolutely.

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I saw your story from a on a good friend's

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channel of the Salish Sasquatch Channel, and I was like,

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oh man, I hope maybe I can talk to them

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again someday because I talked to Joel in the past

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and and we're able to make it work, and I

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think we even got a little help from the Sasquatch.

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Channel on this. Thank you guys for that.

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But yeah, welcome back Joel. You're out there in the

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great stay in Washington. Correct, correct, Yeah, love it out here,

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and guys that are listening, make sure you check out

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the YouTube version for this because they have quite a

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setup in their background. They've got all sorts of really

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cool big but stuff on the wall and I'm digging it.

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They've got a great, great background, so good stuff. But

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we are here to talk about a interesting bigfoot experience

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that happens since to day. Before we get going, is

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there anything else, Well, let's mentioned, of course that you

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guys are both in its overlanding. Yeah, it's correct. This

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encounter actually happened when we were out overlanding in an

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area which is on that go ahead and share it

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real quick. This is just to show kind of the

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area of Washington we're looking at. You can see a

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mountain Hounds to the northwest and the Biate Canyon, and

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then if you look in the southeast corner, there's an

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area called Muddy River Viewpoint and you'll be seeing maps

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in the future once we start chatting a little bit

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more about this. What that's our context, guys about the

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area we are working into today. So Cody and Joel

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feel free, you know, take us back to what you

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were of the plants in that day you're out overlanding.

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And yeah, so kind of to preface, we got in

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the overlanding probably I don't know two and a half

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three years ago. I've lived in Washington State my entire life,

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I think go to you as well. But we really

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got heavy into just going out and kind of exploring

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and really seeing things that we've never seen of the state.

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And I was just you know, getting more and more

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into it. And then you know, we decided to start

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looking at the Giffert Pinchot area because it's such a

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you know, it's.

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An old growth for us. There's something about it.

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It's just a really really neat place. And you know,

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I've been camping before in my life, you know, many times.

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I wouldn't say many times, but when I was younger,

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I won a couple of times, and I've had another experience,

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but i never really tied it to Bigfoot. And I've

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never been an avid you know bigfoot guy. Right, you

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see all the stuff on my wall. This is like

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over the last i don't know, five to seven years

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of listening to other people's stories and it really started

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like intriguing me. Anyways, you know, two three years ago

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we started start overlanding. We go out once a month

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and we've been everywhere Cascades, North Cascades, Eastern Washington, Western Washington.

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We've been all over in and we've never had anything

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really really happened, you know, nothing significant that I would

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ever say, this is, this is you know odd, right,

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And never felt uncomfortable, ever, never ever felt uncomfortable. And

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I think this was the second, possibly the third time

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going down into the Gifford Pinchol and I believe it

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was it was July, possibly accust I can't remember the

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exact date. I'd have to go back and look. But

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we went and did a trip and I took my

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daughter with me and and I had Cody had in

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his car. He had his daughter, and then we had

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a couple of other friends. So we were we had

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like five different vehicles. And my my goal, because I'm

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always the one that sets like the maps and you know,

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this is where we're gonna figure out, right, I wanted

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to get to the bottom of Epe Canyon and camp

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somewhere down there. And we went out. The first night

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we camped is Friday night. We camped at the Cispus River.

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We found a site there and it was awesome.

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And then we headed out early because I knew we

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had a lot of driving to do and we wanted

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to hit the lower Lewis Falls and go swimming, and

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and so we did that, and then it was probably

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you know, getting late in the afternoon.

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This is on the Saturday, maybe three o'clock. We start

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heading towards where I'm targeting to camp at lower at

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the at the Ape Canyon, lower lower portion of eight Cannon,

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and we.

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Get to a point where we hit a gate and.

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I was like, man, and it's like five o'clock. Now,

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you know, it's late in the afternoon, and we have

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no idea where we're going to camp because we can't

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get to where I was originally targeting, and so we

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start doubling back and and I find.

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It looks to me like it's just like an older

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jeep trail. Not really.

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You know, it's not up kept. It has a lot

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of you know, wash outs, and and now I know

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that it's called the Muddy Pine, which I found after

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looking back on my on X. Until we start we

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started down this this road and we had no idea

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where it went, didn't know what was you know, up there,

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and we kept going again five six o'clock at night

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and it comes to basically where you can see where

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I've marked that red X.

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That's like the end of the trail, and it it

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was like a big cul de sac, you know.

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It was like a big round open area. So it

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was like perfect for camping, right, but it was totally overgrown,

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like nobody had had been out there for a long

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time until we're like, you know what, we can we

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can make this happen. This would be a good camps

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type for the night. It wasn't really what I usually

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like because I either like to be on a river

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or I like to be a high I don't know.

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So I could see everything, right, This was really really deep,

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obviously you can see the picture deep in old forest,

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old growth forest. And on the right side of the

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coul de sac was basically like like a ravine. It

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was like a big drop off into like a like

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a canyon almost, and then on the left side of

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the cul de sac was like a mountain. And then

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you could see past the coul de sac like at

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some point if you look at the map you can

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kind of see you like there's still some sort of

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a trail, but you could, you could it was blocked off.

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It was blocked off by like maybe a long time

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ago somebody took a dozer and blocked it off right,

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but it was all overgrown and like you know, clearly

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a long time ago. Anyways, there's like a game trail

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there going into those deep woods. There's a couple of

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game trails from what I could see. Anyhow, we set

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up camp. I am at the furthest point of the

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cul de Sac. Basically I had pulled my my jeep

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in and basically put the passenger side against the outer

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ridge of the cul de Sac by that game trail,

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and Cody and his and his little CRV and his

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daughter they were probably I don't know, you know, thirty

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forty feet behind my trailer, right right around thirty forty

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feet so.

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Yeah, right next to the dropping off into the valley.

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Yeah, he's p's like camp right at the edge of

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the valley, right on the green belt.

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And then we had our other couple friends basically behind Cody,

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and then another fifty feet or so behind him was

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our last friend.

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And so I was driving my jeep I would before

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to do or jeep and and I have an overland trailer,

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and I had taken my overland trailer and I disconnected it.

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And it's really important to understand this because of how

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this whole situation played out. I disconnected my trailer because

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I had to level it, and when we were on

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kind of a slope, and so I disconnected my trailer

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and I chalked on my wheels and I left the

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chains hooked to my trailer hitch just so my you know,

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it would you know, not spin around or whatever. So

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I chalk it. I get my jeep level from my

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daughter because she sleeps inside my inside my.

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Jeep, and we get we get camp.

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Set up, and we we uh, we get around the

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fire and the thing that like, you know, I didn't

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tell anybody this going into the trail, but I felt,

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for the first time, I felt.

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Kind of uneasy. It was just kind of like a

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creepy area. It was really creepy. It was dark.

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And I'm not saying it was dark because it was

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like summertime, right, so it's still light out. But this

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area was just dark.

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It was very remote.

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And and it was quiet. It was like ear ringing silence.

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There was no bugs, there was no animals, there's no

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nothing and and it was just really odd. And I

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remember sitting around the fire, you know, seven o'clock, eight

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o'clock whatever, and it's talking about just how quiet it was.

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It was just it was just silent, and we thought

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it was weird, you know.

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Anyways, you know, nine o'clock ish we decided to kind

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of kind of call it a night, right, and nine,

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I would say, so, yeah, and you know, I climb

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into my rooftop tent that's on my trailer, and I

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get my daughter. She's thirteen, she sleeps in the jeep, right,

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So I get her all set up in my jeep

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and get her locked up and put.

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A radio in there for and so we're, uh, we're

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all in bed.

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And Cody is it.

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He has a little yellow tint, right.

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Yeah, it's a little north face, a three person tent,

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and it's one of the storm shelters. So like if

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you put the rain fly on, you're like real secure.

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But you can leave the rain fly off. And basically

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with the exception of the very center of the top

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that has like the material for the tent, it's all

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screen around it. So I left that off so I

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could see like the stars in the middle of the

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night because it was still warm and wet, worried about weather,

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so I left that. So it was basically an open tent. Yeah,

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you know, the only thing separating us was that little screen,

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a window screen right from the rest of the campsite.

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Which which I never do.

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I don't want to see what's coming, so I keep

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my stuff shut shut, you know, closed. Right.

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So anyways, so I'm laying in my rooftop tent, on

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my on my little trailer, and I think I included

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a picture of that in the screenshot just so you

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can kind of have a you know, understanding of what

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it looks like. And that picture is actually at that

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location that's actually in that cul de sac. And so

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I'm in my little rooftop tent right there, and my

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daughter's in the jeep, and it's like nine o'clock.

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We hit the hay.

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Everybody's in bed, and it was around it was around

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like eleven eleven thirty ish something like that, where basically

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where I'm laying my head is at the end of

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the trailer in the tent, and to my right is

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that that game trail basically that goes continues on into

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the forest. And I hear what sounds like too. The

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only way I could picture, and what I've said before,

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is like if somebody took two large river rocks, like round,

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smooth river rocks and bang them together, just boom boom,

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and it made this just like loud like clacking noise,

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and it was probably I don't know, you know, thirty

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feet into the woods off to my right, and it

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immediately startled me. And so I just sat there and

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I was what a heck was that? Because I was

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kind of playing on my phone. And then directly after

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the clacking came broken like chattering radio static. It was

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really really weird, and the radio static was was much closer.

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It was like like ten to fifteen feet into the woodline,

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and I'm like, I'm like at this point, I'm like,

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what the heck is that?

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Right? Because we all, I'll have like a pact in

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our in our camp. Our group is the same group

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that goes everywhere.

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We will not mess with each other at nighttime because

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we have weapons.

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Right, we go out there armed.

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Nobody is messing with nobody out there because you can

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get shot, right. And so I'm laying there with my

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pistol on my chest and I'm hearing this radio static

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that goes goes on for some seconds, but it's like

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broken white noise, like what you see on an old

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TV where it's like staticky. It was like that, but

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it was it was not just constant.

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It was choppy.

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And then directly after that, something pushes my entire trailer.

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It created it moves me, makes me rock. It didn't

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like shove my trailer like a foot or anything like that,

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but it was like the way it felt. I had

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moved on to my side and I was kind of

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laying there with my pistol, and it was like somebody

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had touched where, like they put their hand where my

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rear taillight is and just gently, you know, shook me.

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But it moved my whole trailer right enough to move me.

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At that point, I was frozen, like I didn't know

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what the heck was going on, and and I was

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just you know, listening to hear if I heard anything walking.

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I never heard anything walk up. I never heard anything

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walk away. I never heard anything breathing. I never heard anything.

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But something clearly moved my entire trailer directly after these

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weird sounds. Right, So I'm thinking to myself, like, okay,

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you know is my daughter? Okay, you know what's going on?

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And there was nothing after that. I laid there. I

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was frozen. I did not unds up my tent.

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I didn't do anything.

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Eventually I fell asleep, and I coulda been a couple

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hours later.

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I don't even know. Eventually I fell asleep and at Abrountain,

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I think it was like four o'clock or four thirty

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or something like that, I heard a bunch of shuffling outside.

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And mind you, at four o'clock in the morning, fourth

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thirty in the morning, it's still dark, right, So I

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slow williams up my tent. I kind of peeked my

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head out and Cody is He's now outside his tent,

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and he just immediately is like, are you hearing all this?

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And I was like, I was like, no, I'm not.

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I'm not hearing anything.

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And I'll let him kind of take over him what

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he was dealing with because I was asleep at that point.

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Yeah, and yeah, I mean little time difference, but it

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was more a little bit right after five, I thought,

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you know, so where where he started hearing stuff? Around

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eleven o'clock, right we all went to bed, As he mentioned,

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around nine nine thirty, and you know, I think I

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sleep pretty heavy most of the time. But you know,

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it was kind of eerie. Like you mentioned, it was,

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you know, oddly quiet.

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Usually we hear.

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Birds when we're down out the river. Obviously you know,

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it was a bit more active. But this next night

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it is super quiet it and you know, fine, there's

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not you know, we we just went went to bed

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and around you know, eleven thirty eleven forty five, you know,

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I also start hearing activity.

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Around the camp.

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But he's like thirty forty our feet behind me, yes,

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right on the edge of this ridge. So so the

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thing is, you know, maybe one other time before that,

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you know, I.

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Woke up to Jos, but I also heard some of.

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Our friends out and about they they either got out

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their their trailer, their ten to go to the restaurant

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or whatever. But they had flashlights. So you know, obviously

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we knew what's up. But around eleven forty five, remember

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I said, I have the whole rain fly off, so

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I can pretty much see all around if there was

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light shining around, but it was pitch black, and I

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start hearing something moving off into the brush. Uh, you know,

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just to the right of my tent basically in the

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green belt where my u where we would we were

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laying down, and like I said, I had my five

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year old daughter laying laying next to me. And you know,

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at first, I was like, okay, you know, uh, it

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could be some raccoons or deer, you know, walking around.

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But then it started to uh, there was activity that

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started around the whole camp, the whole camp, and and

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it no longer just sounded like deer wrestling around or

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or an animals. It sounded like people walking around the tent.

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Well.

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Remember I said, I could look out and there was

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no None of our friends were out there walking around

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with their flashlights or anything. I had the same situation

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where I had my fire arm next to me, I

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grabbed my piss stole the same and you know, like

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I said, I'm not afraid of deer, you know, or

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even if there was a baron that wasn't quite there,

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I'd be like a little concerned. But I was actually

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in fear. And I couldn't explain that. I you know,

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it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

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To the point where I had my flashlight next to

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me and I wasn't about to turn it on and

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shine it out through the tent.

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I tried to look to see if I could see movement.

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I didn't see anything without the flashlight, and so it

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you know, a little after twelve, it seemed to have

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died down and I calmed down. Nothing actually came up

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to the tent and touched the tent, So you know,

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I was.

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Able to go back to sleep.

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I don't know how, but just went back to sleep,

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and like he mentioned, around four thirty, you know, I

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got woke up again. I think it was more actually

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around four forty five, and all of a sudden, down

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in that valley, I heard what.

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To me, the best way I.

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Can explain it is like say you were out in

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the woods with some friends and you were calling out

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to each other with like a hooting or howling noise.

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If you had to compare it to an animal, I

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would say it was an owl. But it was really weird.

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It was a pattern of like a mind you I'm

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not going to be able to scream it out, but

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like a hoo hoo who and like three seconds later

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something would respond with that same call, and then ten

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to twenty seconds would go by, the first one would

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do it again and you could audibly tell that one

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of the individuals was closer and the other was further

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in the distance. And it started off like it seemed

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like it was maybe you know, fifty to one hundred

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feet down in the valley at first, and then it

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got to the point in the next ten minutes, and

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like I said, this went on for like ten minutes.

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I heard them calling back and forth to each other

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to the point where you you no longer could hear

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the second one answer, and then you could just barely

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hear the first one, and then they were gone. The

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way I pictured it in my head, either something was

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moving so fast through that forest to clear the distance

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they cleared to where I could no longer hear them anymore,

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or it had to be a bird or an owl.

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The problem with that being a bird or an owl

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is that the volume that was making it just sounded,

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it just carried so far.

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And I mean, we're in the middle of the woods,

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you know, So.

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I don't know of a bird that that can consistently

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call back and forth to each other with the same

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pattern every single time, And so that got me a

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little nervous. So shortly after that, once they cooled off,

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it was just after five.

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I do get out of my tent and.

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Either he heard me or or or whatever. But I'm like, hey,

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have have you been listening to this? Because I didn't

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know how no one else could hear it.

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Yeah, And that's kind of when I stuck my head

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out of the tent. I wasn't gonna really talk to

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anybody about, you know, hearing radio stack. It was just weird, right,

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but being being shocked and so I was. I was

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not going to just bring it up immediately. But as

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soon as he like.

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He's like, hey, the way he said it, he was

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like concerned, you know, and uh, that kind of shocked me.

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And that's what I said, Well, this is what happened,

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you know, to me, this is what was going on

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last night. And then my daughter confirmed that she had

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heard the radio chatter, but she didn't hear it as

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long as I heard it. She only heard it for

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a couple like a couple split seconds. So I don't

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know if it was like moving or what was going on,

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because the distance between my jeep in her was probably

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ten feet or whatever the case may be. But what

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was important, and I kind of prefaced this earlier, is

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the fact that you know, thinking to myself, well, if

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it shoved my trailer, my daughter would have felt it.

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She didn't feel anything, but my trailer was no longer

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on the ball. I had removed my trailer from the jeep,

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and so that was just something I wanted to make

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sure people understood, is if the trailer would have been

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shook and it was hooked to my jeep, still, yeah,

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she would have felt that, but it was no longer attached.

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Yeah.

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I also, you know, at around the eleven o'clock eleven

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thirty time period, I had finally started hearing crickets on

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the side of me, and I was like, hey, are

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you sure that those aren't crickets. He's like, no, I

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heard the crickets. This was definitely not the crickets.

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Yeah it was.

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It was it was a completely different sound, and so

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I tried to eliminate that, even though I had experienced

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my own situation. You know, I'm like the open minded skeptic.

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I guess, you know, I haven't seen anything to as

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really know, but we've you know, being out there, we've

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heard weird things we can't explain, and the only thing

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you can really say is it has to be some

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sort of animal, and you know that's still the truth

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no matter what it is.

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Yeah, I know we've we've all heard you know, crickets

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and birds and all that kind of stuff. This was

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like white white noise. It was really odd. It was

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like somebody had an old radio and was like, you know,

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it was choppy. It was really really odd.

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And it's such a massive contrast to like getting.

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Pushed or hearing uh a deer or whatever the case

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me in elk bugling or whatever. Right, radio static and

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natural wildlife is just total different contrasts.

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00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:12.640
So I don't know what it means.

465
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:17.000
I have no idea. I told, you know, the sailors sasquatch,

466
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:18.559
you know when I when I was talking to them

467
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:23.000
about it, there's he quite you know, John questioned me

468
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.079
on the you know what I thought about radio the

469
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.240
radio static and you know, I've heard of you know,

470
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.960
people that have weird experiences that tie into you know,

471
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:38.759
possible sasquatch or whatever. They hear like metallic noises. They

472
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.720
will hear like a gate gate shutting, or they're going

473
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.079
to hear like a you know, a car door shutting

474
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.119
or something you know, metallic. So that's the only thing

475
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.640
I can think of like, it's so odd, right, It's so.

476
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.880
Different from what you would expect. This is deep in

477
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.200
the woods at this time.

478
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:59.160
Of the night, right, So yeah, I think that the

479
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.279
fact that uh, you know, not only just us too,

480
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:06.559
but some of our other friends had heard activity outside.

481
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:06.559
Of the end.

482
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:10.039
They didn't think, uh they they were a little nervous

483
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:10.440
about it.

484
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.519
But obviously they couldn't you know, see out and yeah,

485
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.799
but they they even brought it up after we started

486
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.480
talking about it. And so I think just a combination

487
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.000
of all the weird stuff that happens makes it kind

488
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:26.400
of odd to us.

489
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:28.079
Yeah, yeah, I.

490
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:31.319
Said, that's the skeptics ide talking to me or talking.

491
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.039
But yeah, and the old you know, if you look

492
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.359
at the ravine side, you know that was probably a

493
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:41.079
good hundred foot ridge line we were all.

494
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.359
Kind of well, they were all kind of parked up against.

495
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:45.559
And like I said, I was more towards the end

496
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.200
of the cul de sac, towards the woodline going into

497
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.000
the old trail right that had been blocked where there

498
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.400
was a where there was a game trail. And so

499
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.000
our buddy Matt he he was the furthest away kind

500
00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:01.279
of closest to where we came in of the cold sack,

501
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.240
and he said he had heard all the the you know,

502
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.400
activity around the site.

503
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.920
They didn't hear any of the radio static. But I

504
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.319
think that was just because it was so close to me.

505
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.799
I mean they were good probably thirty forty yards away

506
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:14.079
from me.

507
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:15.319
Yeah, I didn't even hear it.

508
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:20.400
Yeah, So that's uh, the that is the story. That's

509
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:25.519
what we dealt with. That's some wild stuff. Guys, My goodness.

510
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:32.160
I definitely do have some questions or you. So, first off, regarding.

511
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.960
The map we have on this, Yeah, yeah, yep, can.

512
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.240
You explain so I would I would assume some muddy

513
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.160
pine that's like a forest service.

514
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:42.400
Road, correct, h.

515
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.559
I don't know if it's necessarily a forest service road.

516
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.799
It's it's more like a trail. It's like it's like

517
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:50.680
a jeep trail. It's like a side by side trail.

518
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:52.880
It's uh, I mean, it depends on what you really

519
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:54.759
look at it as far as forced service road. Like

520
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:56.680
if I'm thinking for a service room and I'm thinking

521
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.279
they all like you know, for Service Road twenty six,

522
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.240
for Service Route twenty five, those are like more travel

523
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.319
logging roads, I guess this this is like this is

524
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:06.880
like a trail.

525
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.200
It was like a purposely built to get up into

526
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.240
you know, so or maybe for a campsite at one

527
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:14.680
time or.

528
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.920
Yeah I've heard, but yeah it was rugged.

529
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.880
And then if you look at like where it has

530
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.440
some muddy pine is the sawid line and that goes

531
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:31.119
into dashes. Does that mean the trail gets even worse? Yeah?

532
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.880
Yeah, So if you look if you look at the

533
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:35.519
three D map, I say, I sent you a three

534
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:36.880
D map, you can kind of see it from a

535
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:37.680
different viewpoint.

536
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.720
But basically where I put that put that written X.

537
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.759
That is the burn.

538
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.839
That is the actual like cul de Sac. And and

539
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:54.160
so the solid line continues past, but there's no trail there.

540
00:28:54.200 --> 00:29:00.240
It's basically like a dugout walking game trail basically, you

541
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.359
see what I'm saying. So there's like that trail may

542
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.319
have been there at one point. Yeah. So if you

543
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.559
look at that where that where that little X is,

544
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:10.559
that is basically the cul de Sac. And and so

545
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:12.519
you can kind of zoom in on it. You can

546
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.039
kind of see the outline of it where it's kind

547
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.559
of around area. Yeah, that's that's the cul de Sack

548
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.000
right there. Basically that solid line is not there.

549
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.319
That that's that's.

550
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.279
Like a game trail and basically where that that little

551
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.440
pin is the x pin.

552
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:31.880
I was further. I was further towards.

553
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.799
The I was like, right there where your mass is.

554
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.000
I was like, yeah, where your mouse is.

555
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.640
If you move your mouse up a little bit not

556
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.759
to the right right, that's where I was parked. That's

557
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.440
where my tent was right there. So I was like

558
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.039
right there at the game trail, and Cody and all

559
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.079
the other guys were down around that ridge line right there,

560
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.720
that's more south on the picture there where the where

561
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.400
the two red lines basically end. That's where they were

562
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.200
all parked. Yep, that's where Cody was.

563
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:57.240
That's where they were. Yeah.

564
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.839
So yeah, and I had and then before it got

565
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:05.839
dark earlier in the day, I had walked, yeah, just

566
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.640
past that that burn to go and see what went there.

567
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.279
And basically it looked like, you know, people would take

568
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.880
their dogs back there, you know, they were camping there

569
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:15.880
in the past or something.

570
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.079
But the trail just disappeared.

571
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.440
As he went deeper in, it got narrower and narrower,

572
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.359
and so at one time maybe it was a road, uh,

573
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.880
and then became like a walking trail at some time,

574
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:29.119
and then it just.

575
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:37.599
There's nothing rush overgrowing woods. Would this this makes really

576
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:39.880
when you start to look at the three D mile

577
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.599
as well, really it looks like the area that.

578
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.720
You were hanging out here.

579
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:50.319
Then it goes down that Yeah, that trail goes down right, Yep,

580
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:52.119
it does. Yeah.

581
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.680
And then and then Cody's uh, you know, on the

582
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:56.400
other the map, you can see the two lines where

583
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.400
he was hearing these two you know whatever it was,

584
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.839
those two lines right there up top. The hooting is

585
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:07.079
it's like in that area and they were moving west

586
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:12.680
to east in the picture. Does that make sense?

587
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.519
Yeah? That does That's wild. So this area that you're

588
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:22.319
camped out, then how far would you estimate you were

589
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.319
from like been Urist, even close to let's say like

590
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.519
another like an established campground.

591
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.839
Or where there would be people.

592
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:37.880
At oh Man, you know fifty Yeah, I guess. I

593
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.400
guess the closest thing in my mind would have been

594
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:45.359
Lower Lewis Falls. That area probably has so maybe like

595
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:51.799
I don't know, forty minutes, yeah, which would be what

596
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.359
would you estimate then, miles like thirty forty miles.

597
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.599
Yeah, because I mean when you're driving down those roads,

598
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.400
you know, even the paved ones, they're like, you know,

599
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.200
the major bumps and Hompson the failed pavements. So I

600
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.240
would probably say, you know, thirty forty minutes.

601
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.720
I think when we.

602
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.599
Got back done with that trip in the woods, we

603
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.119
covered what like two hundred miles.

604
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.240
I could be off a little bit.

605
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.799
But so we you know, if you said we went

606
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.119
in and came out, we were at any point between

607
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:29.839
fifteen one hundred miles deep into so you know, a

608
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.920
little more remote than being next to town there for sure.

609
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.920
Oh absolutely, I mean you are the way I'm getting

610
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:41.240
You're in an area where people don't normally go for sure.

611
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.079
Sure there is probably not used to having people there.

612
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.400
For sure in this in this area for sure, I

613
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.240
think that you know, Lower Lewis Falls is well known,

614
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.839
you know, being it in the middle of a different pincho,

615
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.599
you know, it's not it's not like a place where

616
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:02.000
everybody goes, right, but where we were here, people weren't

617
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:02.960
going They're not going there.

618
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.000
It's it's definitely a place that is.

619
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:07.559
It's very remote.

620
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.279
Yeah, we happened. We we came to it.

621
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.000
Uh, we were just looking for a camp, right, so

622
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.039
we just turned down different roads and obviously we're not

623
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.079
worried about getting lost because we're tracking ourselves on on

624
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.319
X and so we just came to a dead end

625
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.839
and we're like, well this this looks good enough to camp,

626
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.559
but I mean, this isn't a road someone is specifically

627
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.920
looking to travel down. Just happened to hit it, and yep,

628
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:36.279
that's where we ended up.

629
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:42.799
Yep. The radiostatic is such an interesting detail these I

630
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.799
don't know. I'm trying to think right now, and I

631
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:48.640
don't think it is ever come out and it's that

632
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:49.119
I've done.

633
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.000
That's very very weird.

634
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.400
Yeah, I really don't either.

635
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.720
I did talk to the bfr O called me and

636
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.200
I did talk with I did talk Scott and he

637
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.240
said that he's heard a couple of different inces is

638
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:07.799
where he had heard similar stories with radio static. But

639
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.920
it's definitely not something that's normal in the context. I'm

640
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.679
big for it, right or what we're talking about here,

641
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:16.280
you know, being.

642
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.480
Normal, because yeah, weird kind of commuter outside that the

643
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.679
up big and that's when you're we're hearing things that

644
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.960
sound like radio static or your lights in the woods,

645
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.199
which we're still thinking this time. It sounded like there.

646
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:38.400
Wasn't no, no, nothing like that.

647
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.519
Okay, so I don't know if you just heard what

648
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.000
I heard. It sounded like a female voice saying stop looking.

649
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:49.800
Let me know if you agree with me on that

650
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.760
or what you heard. I've listened to it a whole lot.

651
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.039
I'm going to go ahead and play the original audio

652
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.760
clip because weirder still before it went through post processing.

653
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.920
All you hear is a huge static burst, which is

654
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.920
ironic because we were just talking about radio static, right,

655
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.239
kind of weird And if you look back on the video,

656
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:18.280
no one was moving around at the time when that rustled.

657
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:22.679
It was like something rustled across the mic or static burst. Anyways,

658
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.320
here's the original audio. It's garbage, but you can tell

659
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:32.119
what I'm talking about with the rustling slash static burst,

660
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:33.920
and then we'll get back to the interview.

661
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.440
Yeah, weird, even weirder outside the field of Bigfoot, and

662
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.519
that's when you're you're hearing things that sound like radio

663
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:45.320
static or you're seeing lights in the woods.

664
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.320
Which was in this time.

665
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.480
It sounds like there wasn't any any seeing of orbs

666
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.320
or lights or anything like that.

667
00:35:56.119 --> 00:36:01.800
Absolutely nothing like that. I think the being that the

668
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.400
the other thing is like if I would have heard

669
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.119
the radio static.

670
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.280
Maybe coming from my left inside the camp I would

671
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.559
I'd be like, okay, well what's going on here?

672
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.400
You know, But it was coming from the woods, like

673
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.000
I said, it's coming you know, ten fifteen feet from

674
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:20.519
from basically that ridge that where the trail basically goes

675
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:25.239
off and ends. That's where I'm hearing this this radio static.

676
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.440
And to me, it was it was clear as day,

677
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.320
you know, broken radio static. It was clear as day.

678
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.239
It was like white noise.

679
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:33.880
Absolutely.

680
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:38.920
Was there anything any smells that were in that campsite

681
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:39.480
area that.

682
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:44.800
We're out, Yeah, no, no smells, you know, nothing, nothing

683
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:49.480
other than what we talked about being out of the ordinary,

684
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.239
you know, no smells. And we did look, you know,

685
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.119
I you know, the next day, I you know, when

686
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.119
it got light out, we were looking at the ground

687
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:03.800
and unfortunately, you know, we we were walking around and

688
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.519
so we were on like long it was like long

689
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.760
overgrown grass, right, and so it was very well padded.

690
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.239
It wasn't like you were walking.

691
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.039
On dirt or gravel.

692
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.039
It was very overgrown and so you could see where

693
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:21.039
you know, anybody could have walked right and would have

694
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.079
flattened out the grass, and the grass was all flattened

695
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.840
out right, So I'm not saying that we didn't.

696
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:26.239
Do it right.

697
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:28.960
I figured we probably did, so. I was kind of

698
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.719
trying to see if there was any signs of footprints

699
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.719
or something like that, but I couldn't tell right, and

700
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.519
there was no like handprint on my trailer. But it

701
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.960
was extremely dusty because it was the middle of summertime

702
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.840
and so everything I had was covered in dust, and

703
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.760
I was trying to see if there was, like, you know,

704
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.760
a handprint or whatever where I thought it may have

705
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:50.360
been touched, and there were smudges, but it was nothing

706
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.519
that's like, okay, this is not my hand, right, nothing

707
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:53.840
like that.

708
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.920
See. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about it.

709
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.840
I guess logically that as smuch could.

710
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:08.639
Definitely come with with with someone that you know was unloading.

711
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.039
Yeah, totally, totally, Yeah, totally. And I don't even know

712
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:14.800
exactly where it was pushed, to be honest, I just

713
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.320
I felt that it was pushed in the back passenger

714
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.679
or a corner area.

715
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:27.039
Sue, I don't know if you guys remember doing this.

716
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:31.280
What was there point where you did, like you were

717
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.440
able to look in but the woods around the FAM site.

718
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.920
Did you notice anything out of the ordinary recurving trees

719
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.800
or anything to do with the way that it was

720
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:43.480
were set up.

721
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.679
I didn't honestly look.

722
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:54.440
For anything other than, hey, something touched my trailer, come

723
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.320
come check us out. As far as looking into the woods,

724
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.280
you know, I didn't go out there to look at

725
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.199
trees or anything. You know, we're not out there hunting,

726
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.960
no looking for anything, at least I'm not.

727
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.000
Yeah, I I didn't either other than just around my trailer,

728
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.920
that's what we were looking for. We started dealing with

729
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.719
some weird tree dropping a bunch of pine cones up

730
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.039
the trail and it was like raining pine cones that

731
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.079
were like, what the heck is that? And we foct

732
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.400
that was just a squirrel like drop of dropping pine cones.

733
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.000
But it was the weirdest thing I've ever seen as

734
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.679
far as earlier. Yeah, yeah, And so I didn't take

735
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.400
time because like going in it's a really it's just

736
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.840
a dense forest. I mean, it's so you know, it's

737
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.320
so thick, and we would have had to like drop

738
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.639
off this ravine and go into it and look for

739
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:43.360
you know, stuff down there. We just we just didn't

740
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:43.559
do that.

741
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.800
We looked around the camp like where we were, but

742
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.840
I did not spend much of time going into the

743
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:54.880
into the woods. Sense did you notice I was mentioned

744
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.639
and red stiff and things, so nothing out of the

745
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.000
ordinary light trees that looked like they were arched over

746
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.199
or falcon off that you know eight to ten feet.

747
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:16.519
Up, No, sir, Nope, nope, nope, nope. Yeah, what do

748
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:16.880
we have?

749
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.559
Probably if I just know what I usually do, it's

750
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.159
either not dogs and steaks, you know how dogs of steaks.

751
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.039
I probably had a steak cooked over the barbecue or

752
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:28.800
over the fire.

753
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:29.639
Yeah, that's all.

754
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.159
We usually steaks, hot dogs, you know, normal stuff like that,

755
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:34.679
normal camp food. MH.

756
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.880
I have heard from and it's a thing where yeah,

757
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.639
it's it's.

758
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:42.599
Definitely normal cant food.

759
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.360
But it's kind of a pattern sometimes when people are

760
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.400
camping out and they have stuff happen on the night,

761
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:57.079
there's usually some form of neatked like usually bacon, bring

762
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:58.800
in whatever is filing it.

763
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.320
You know, it's not actually a guy who's just having

764
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:02.480
pouring on the top.

765
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.079
And no, of course, yeah, we're we're really really careful.

766
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.719
We make sure our stuff's all locked up too, like.

767
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.360
So that kind of goes back to like later in

768
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.400
the night at eleven thirty or whatever time it was

769
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.360
when I started hearing activity. And the first thing I

770
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:25.360
thought was, Oh, there's like scavengers out there. And you know,

771
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.320
I was listening like for like even a bear or whatever,

772
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:30.800
and that's that's not what I heard.

773
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.039
I didn't hear the snorting.

774
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:37.280
I just heard loud footsteps that sounded like people walking

775
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:41.599
around their camp and and I knew it wasn't any

776
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.239
of us, and so I was, I, you know, I

777
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.679
was weirded out by that. And I think that's part

778
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:52.360
of what caused me to get so uncomfortable, is because

779
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.719
I knew where our team, our our friend group was,

780
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.760
and I knew it no longer just sounded like little.

781
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:03.719
It sounded like people actively moving around our campsite that

782
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:07.079
shouldn't be there.

783
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.719
The next morning and you know, ahold of drew good

784
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:16.039
stuff and is probably talking about, Hey, how was you unite?

785
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.880
Was it a thing where the feeling was, Okay, something

786
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.880
happened here and we needed let's just read or what

787
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.599
was the feeling like I've read the morning after all

788
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:28.280
this saff.

789
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.039
So yeah, okay, so yeah, I was. I was personally

790
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.480
ready to go. My daughter was definitely freaked out. She

791
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.599
had covered up all the windows. When she heard the

792
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.119
radio static, she had covered up all the windows in

793
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.360
the jeep. She was she was kind of freaked out.

794
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.320
You know. I was ready to go because I felt,

795
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:46.400
like I said, I felt.

796
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.320
Uneasy when I went in there. And but our two

797
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:54.719
buddies that were behind Cody, one of them he has

798
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.320
a seatpath machine, and so he was like, you didn't

799
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.000
hear anything. But the guy behind him, like, like we

800
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.239
said earlier, he had heard all the motion around the

801
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.480
camp like Cody did. But it was like, you know,

802
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.119
if I was to say one hundred our group, it

803
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.920
was eighty percent Cody, myself and my daughter that really

804
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:18.400
really you know, went through uh these these weird, you know, situations,

805
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.960
and so we talked about it, you know. Matt. Matt

806
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.519
confirmed that he had heard all the commotion around the campsite.

807
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:29.800
Didn't know what to think of it. But as far

808
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.719
as like we were ready to go, you know.

809
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.840
Yeah, I mean it was kind of the plan already,

810
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.199
but we were. I would say, I was relieved that

811
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.159
we're finally going to get out of that location.

812
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.159
Yeah, I got the river. We didn't feel anything about that.

813
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.239
We anywhere else or anywhere else I've been. I've never

814
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.760
felt uneasy being out in the woods ever. This is

815
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:56.079
the first time and I've been on the woods a lot, right.

816
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.280
I would say the only exception to that was like

817
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:03.079
Wellington just because that's creepy lower around. Yeah, Wellington, but

818
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:09.000
we're just the old uh train crash site, yeah, from

819
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:09.559
long ago.

820
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:12.400
But as far as like.

821
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:17.679
Being out in the woods, uh, you know, man that

822
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:19.559
never really have any issues there.

823
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.239
It's it's really it is really weed and affecting them.

824
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:28.639
He how how far away would you estimate that this

825
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:34.079
is from the canon and abe canon, I would probably

826
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:34.920
say thirty minutes.

827
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.000
So basically, if you if you if you look at

828
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.840
it on Google Earth, you know, we got down to

829
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.159
where we were going to go down Muddy Muddy Pine

830
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.239
obviously runs right next to Muddy River, and Muddy River

831
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.400
basically comes off a glacier. I believe that's right next

832
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.199
to Ape Canyon and and so you.

833
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.280
Can actually track.

834
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.800
They kind of intersect in a way, so you can

835
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:03.400
see eight Canyon right there. Muddy River runs right through

836
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.559
the same area, and we're back west or excuse me east,

837
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.559
like a good you know, thirty minutes, I would I

838
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:12.920
would assume right, because I couldn't get through that gate.

839
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.079
That gate wouldn't let us through, and so I'm just

840
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.559
kind of ballparking it, you know, it's it's funny. Well

841
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:21.679
I don't.

842
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.840
I might not iron this in book, won't. I'll just

843
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:24.320
throw it out.

844
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:29.159
So you know how like Expedition big butt was there

845
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:30.599
in there thing where it was like what was that

846
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.239
the algorithm? And like I sing, that's how it was

847
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.880
worth it? Right, right? Of course, So I have one

848
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.599
night I would win if I get that with sad

849
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:38.840
GDC what it would.

850
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.320
Say if everything tell me where the bed the crest

851
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.639
place in the US would be for needs to have

852
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:47.199
an encounter.

853
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:54.039
I literally told me the area between Bate Canyon and oh,

854
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.880
really that's really interesting. The number one spot in all

855
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.639
of North Americans. Really, that's wild.

856
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.840
We're bringing up that gentleman home in that reach shout.

857
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.360
So so Cody, Cody's talking to me about he brought

858
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.119
up the fact. Hey, directly after this. I'm part of

859
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.920
a Pacific Northwest Overlanders. It's a Facebook page and I

860
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.320
do a lot of videos about our trips. I love

861
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.599
doing videos and our trips and pictures because I mean,

862
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:26.079
we live in such a diverse part of the US,

863
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.400
and so I always take pictures and videos and I

864
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.079
always post them just to share, you know, Hey, this

865
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.800
soul we did YadA YadA, just like normal social media, right,

866
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.239
And I get this. I get this, this private message

867
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.800
from this ex marine and he's like, hey, man, I

868
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.840
just wanted to tell you you have amazing photos. You know,

869
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.199
this is on Facebook Messenger. Never met this guy in

870
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:50.599
my life. And he goes, you have amazing photos mating video. Man,

871
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.679
thanks for sharing. He goes, can I can I ask

872
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.320
you a really weird question? And I'm like, yeah, what's

873
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:58.519
going on? He goes, have you ever heard or seen

874
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.239
anything odd in that for And I was like, man, well,

875
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.039
you know, honestly, this is what just happened. And I've

876
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.079
never had anything like this happen. And he goes, I

877
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.599
was up there two or three of my friends, I think,

878
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:15.159
he said, March same year, twenty twenty five. And he goes,

879
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:17.880
you know, he goes, I've been all over this world

880
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.360
and I have been, you know, did tours. And he goes,

881
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.440
we camped in the Gifford in the same area. Not

882
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.800
exactly where we were, obviously, but it's in the same

883
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.920
you know, you know, southeast area of Saint Helens, and

884
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.760
he goes, the only thing I can explain is that

885
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.320
in the middle of the night, it sounded like we

886
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:42.159
were surrounded by apes. It's just monkeys going wild in

887
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.559
the middle of the night, screaming and hollering. And he goes,

888
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.079
I've never I've never witnessed anything like that in my life.

889
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.239
He goes, it was the weirdest scenario. And he goes,

890
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.440
we didn't know what to do but get out of there,

891
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.519
and we left. And so, you know, it kind of

892
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.760
just confirms like, besides the radio static, which is just

893
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.599
freaking weird, you know, there's weird stuff going on in

894
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.239
the Giffert PINCHI that that that forest, the Dark Divide

895
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.840
is just something. I mean, you can just drive down

896
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.840
there and it feels different than anywhere else in the

897
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:18.880
Cascade Range, you know, eastern Washington and western Washington. The

898
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.239
different pinchil is different. There's something different.

899
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:28.679
There, no, absolutely, And that story reminds me of another

900
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:33.599
individual interviewed, which was I have to say it was

901
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:38.400
somewhere around in Mount Saint Helens and pretty much she

902
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.280
broke down with her band life set up.

903
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.519
The Rangers came out to try.

904
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.679
To help her, and then all of a sudden, like

905
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:54.039
they started hearing noises like that surrounding them. It's like

906
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:59.239
pretty much the rangers, Yeah, help out the blown mind.

907
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:01.039
Yeah, that's that's picked up.

908
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.199
That happens in this forest is absolutely wild.

909
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:05.280
And the force goes all the way over to Mount Abbam.

910
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:05.960
Yeah.

911
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:06.199
Yeah.

912
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.119
The the whole dark Divide is like it's uh, it's

913
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.360
such a dense area between Saint Alen's Rainier and uh,

914
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.719
you know, Adams and Manhood. Yeah, and it's just like

915
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:18.880
you know, we we we did another trip down to

916
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.079
the to the big lava bed, which is where a

917
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.960
lot of people go missing. You know, I wanted to

918
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.480
camp down that area because it gets even even deeper,

919
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.800
you know. And uh, but we we we're going to

920
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:30.800
go back to the site.

921
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:33.320
Uh when it when it finally you know, thaws out

922
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:35.199
in the spring summertime, we're gonna go back and we're

923
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.079
gonna spend probably two or three days there, uh, just

924
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:42.760
to just to stay there. I was actually gonna ask

925
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.239
if you had gotten that that's really cool. So now

926
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.880
here's the question. When you go the second time, what

927
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.360
is your your focus going the how are you going.

928
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:56.039
Interacting with that area.

929
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.920
I think I haven't really thought about it, but I'm

930
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.559
just one thing we keep we keep kind of bringing up.

931
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.320
Is what we do is when we map our plans,

932
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.960
we say, Okay, tonight, we're gonna stay here and then

933
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.079
we're gonna do this sixty mile track and we're gonna

934
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.159
stay here and we're gonna do another sixty mile track,

935
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.159
or we're gonna stay here and then go home until

936
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.400
we cover a bunch of land, right because we want

937
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.960
to see different things, but we're gonna actually stay there.

938
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.039
We're gonna get there maybe a Friday night, and we're

939
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.159
gonna stay through Sunday. And I think it's just gonna

940
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.400
you know, I'm just gonna camp. I'm not gonna do

941
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:28.840
anything special, you know, I'm not I'm not out hunting

942
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.719
for bigfoot. I'm just seeing, you know, what what happens

943
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:33.519
in my opinion. You know, I haven't really talked to

944
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:36.000
anybody about it, but that's that's kind of our goal,

945
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.320
just to go there and spend time.

946
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:45.159
I mean, personally, being like the skeptic hearing noises, I

947
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:51.239
can't explain. I say, I'd like to see something to

948
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.400
like show me, you know, all that maybe this is

949
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:01.119
like Bigfoot's reel or whatever. But again, you know what

950
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:06.440
happens once you do see that here, your world would

951
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:09.519
be flipped upside down. There's enough weird sense that's been

952
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:11.519
going on. I you know, for us, it's like a

953
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:14.840
go out camp hang out. If something happens, cool, if

954
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:20.039
something doesn't, uh, you know whatever. But we just knew

955
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.360
it was kind of a weird it was creepy. Uh,

956
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:26.679
it was a weird situation. But uh, you know, we

957
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:30.639
weren't ever in to our knowledge, in any sort of danger.

958
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:33.239
So it's kind of like, hey, go back there and

959
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.000
see what that was all about.

960
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:36.920
But I'm not playing on you know, we don't go

961
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.960
out and do woodknocks and we don't do that not

962
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:41.800
serious stuff.

963
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.519
I'm not I'm not interested in that, you know. Yeah,

964
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.079
I get at the end of the day, you're you're

965
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.760
over the injuries that are going out having.

966
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:52.280
Enjoying nature, yep, enjoying nature, you know, and we're just

967
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.559
blessed to be hire so.

968
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.920
And you mentioned, you know, fouting to the other gentleman.

969
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:00.000
I can't imagine.

970
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.000
And the amount of other Overlanders that have had experiences

971
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.000
like the either don't know how to deal with it

972
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:09.639
or it was just like yeah, whatever, I'm not gonna

973
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:13.360
talk about it. And I mean I've talked to Jimmy Tongueay,

974
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:18.159
he's an over rander as well. He's all heavy into

975
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:22.360
and so bigfoot research. He's got a podcast off road,

976
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:27.199
the x Y s Oh cool and just just a

977
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:28.760
good guy. I don't know if it's not out, it's

978
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.320
out in a few days, but that might be a

979
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.960
guy who to talk to if you were want to

980
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.840
talk to another overlander and the awesome who had He's

981
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:41.639
had some big, good experiences while he's there different parts

982
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:42.679
of Washington.

983
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:48.800
And you know, you know, Jeremiah, it's like both of

984
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.360
my experiences, right, I had one when I was fourteen,

985
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:56.199
and and I can't definitely say it's bigfoot, right, and

986
00:52:56.360 --> 00:53:01.320
in either either one of them, it lines up up right,

987
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.519
it lines up. But being that I didn't see anything,

988
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.599
you know, it's tough to say, right, but it seems

989
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.599
to run parallel other than weird radio static, it runs

990
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:15.599
parallel with what other people have experienced. And so you

991
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.800
know that's kind of where we put it.

992
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:23.199
Yeah, for question for both of you, So after you

993
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:30.440
have this experience, how has this affected your life afterwards,

994
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.719
and so kind of excites me. I have I really

995
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.840
don't have any any sort of any sort of fear.

996
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:44.039
I'm just more I'm more interested. It makes me more interested.

997
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.519
Like I said, I have not been a person that's been,

998
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.519
you know, chasing Bigfoot my whole life. I'm forty four

999
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:49.280
years old, and.

1000
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.519
You know, as I was growing up, you see the video,

1001
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.559
you know, Patty and whatnot, You're like, well, you know,

1002
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.559
maybe my thought was always like, hey, maybe there's something

1003
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:57.840
out there.

1004
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:58.360
Maybe it isn't.

1005
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:01.199
I figured it was, you know, some sort of animal,

1006
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:04.480
if at all, right, but there's so many different routes

1007
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.480
you can go here, and you know, twenty seventeen, I

1008
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.480
started listening to podcasts and I started hearing people's stories

1009
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:13.400
and it's just like you hear things that people are

1010
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.960
not going to make up. It doesn't make sense that

1011
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.079
the details are just not something that would come naturally right,

1012
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.880
and so they had to they had to, like they

1013
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:22.960
had to like see something right.

1014
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.280
It's that kind of peaud my interest.

1015
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:28.760
But as far as like what the experience did to me,

1016
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.599
it made me more more interested. I guess maybe you know,

1017
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.199
I want to go out more I want to explore more.

1018
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.559
I want to I love listening to people's stories, So

1019
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.519
I guess just piqued my interests more. I don't know

1020
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:40.400
about mister.

1021
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.239
Frost, but yeah, for me, it's just a curiosity thing.

1022
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:44.280
What the heck is?

1023
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:51.239
I mean, there's so much going on right now. There's

1024
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.639
talk of hey, now now it's okay believe that aliens

1025
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:58.480
are real, right or you know, now bigfoots.

1026
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:02.719
Like especially in Washington State, is not such a what

1027
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:05.760
there's not such a.

1028
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:10.280
Stigma with it. That doesn't necessarily mean he's real, but

1029
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:13.679
like it's more acceptablely even just entertain the idea. And

1030
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.280
that's kind of where I lay. It's like, I'm open

1031
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.760
minded to the possibility. Uh, I'm definitely curious if I'm

1032
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:25.159
I'm hearing weird noises that don't necessarily line up.

1033
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:25.960
Uh.

1034
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:28.360
You know, we both lived.

1035
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.239
In Washington, like you said, our whole lives, and so

1036
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.480
we know what coyotes sound like, and even like wildcats

1037
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:38.840
and foxes and stuff like that elk bugling, So we

1038
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:45.320
understand that there's weird noises. But to to to hear this,

1039
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:52.679
which is so seemingly so out out outside those noises, I'm.

1040
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:53.920
Like well, what what is that?

1041
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:58.320
You know, what are the other possibility?

1042
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:02.760
It's interesting, it's fun, and then at the end of

1043
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.039
the day, it's uh, I look at this one of

1044
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.199
the world's last big mysteries.

1045
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:14.320
We're in can't find and you're wanting to find something

1046
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:15.840
something you can't find the.

1047
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.880
Whole answer in a book or on the internet. Act

1048
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.039
like go out there when I fil days and.

1049
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.800
Finally pig your apple. It's so so cool, right, I

1050
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:28.519
love that.

1051
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.360
But you know a few things as we start to

1052
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:35.480
come towards the end of our time here. So first off, guys,

1053
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:36.800
I want to make sure that you were able to

1054
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.599
share everything that member had come on the show just

1055
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:43.119
there for Yeah, I want to. I think I covered

1056
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:51.679
really for sure. And the other thing is, so now,

1057
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.079
when when I have people sign up for the show,

1058
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.119
I actually have a question that says, hey, if you

1059
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:01.559
want people to contact you, uh, put some info in

1060
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.800
And so I guess the question for you, and that

1061
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.320
is it a thing where you are open to having the.

1062
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:11.079
People cond I'm totally helping. Yeah, yeah, totally open to it.

1063
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.320
I'm more than willing to share, you know, whatever information

1064
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.320
I have or experiences I have. I'm i have you

1065
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.880
know nothing to it is what it is, right and

1066
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:21.639
so totally open for it.

1067
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:23.239
Awesome.

1068
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.480
And then who knows, there might be another listener out

1069
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.599
there that's like, tell them, magness, I camped in that

1070
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.880
same spot. Happen more and that would be a fantastic

1071
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.000
I mean that stuff happened through this show. Yeah, is

1072
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.519
there a way that's best for for trying to constantly

1073
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.840
what's what's normal? I mean, what are the people? I mean,

1074
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:46.559
I'm free, my cell phone's good, my email, I mean,

1075
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.039
it's whatever you're comfortable with. But usually people will do

1076
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.760
like a Facebook or you know or yeah, Facebook's fine,

1077
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:53.840
Facebook's fine.

1078
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.159
I'm totally good with that mess messenger, you know whatever.

1079
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.280
I would say the same same for Cody, for me

1080
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.360
giving out my phone numbers less, I don't deal, but.

1081
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:04.119
It doesn't care. I don't.

1082
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.119
I'm more personally, I'm not giving my addressing.

1083
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:13.320
Yeah, absolutely, Well, guys, it will be extremely interesting to

1084
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:17.360
see what happens when you're able to go out there again.

1085
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:19.639
I would say, you know, keep me in the loop.

1086
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:28.880
I will the link to your episode with Sealish Sasquatch awesome. Yeah,

1087
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.119
people haven't watched that video as well, awesome, maybe well,

1088
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:38.440
or information or a different view point. I guess you

1089
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:42.480
could say as theirs being pat and you know, Joel

1090
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:43.719
and Cody, thank you so much.

1091
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.519
Hey, sir today I greatly pleaded.

1092
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:52.280
Yeah, thanks for having us. All right, buddy, Before we

1093
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:54.800
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

1094
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:58.199
a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,

1095
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.960
any branch or for and if you've seen something that

1096
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.360
no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger,

1097
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:08.960
a forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or

1098
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.159
if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on

1099
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.559
the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency,

1100
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.960
or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not

1101
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.280
allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic

1102
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.719
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

1103
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.719
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

1104
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:32.599
industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with

1105
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:36.559
government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

1106
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:40.480
told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1107
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:44.079
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1108
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:47.840
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1109
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.119
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1110
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.599
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

1111
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:58.159
shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen

1112
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.920
what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,

1113
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.800
even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot

1114
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.039
Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear

1115
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:15.320
what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone.

1116
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:21.239
You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you

1117
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:23.880
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1118
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.119
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1119
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:29.599
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1120
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.599
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1121
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.880
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1129
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.519
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1130
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:02.760
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01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:28.639
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1139
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.559
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1140
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:33.519
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1141
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