Dec. 24, 2025

Something Stalked a Remote Avery, California Cabin While Two Dogs Froze in Terror

Something Stalked a Remote Avery, California Cabin While Two Dogs Froze in Terror
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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Adam shares a chilling firsthand Bigfoot encounter that took place at a remote cabin in Avery, Northern California. What began as a quiet winter night quickly turned terrifying when two dogs suddenly became agitated and something massive began walking around the cabin, breathing heavily in the darkness.


By morning, Adam discovered enormous footprints sunk deep into the snow, stepping effortlessly over a barbed-wire fence and tracking from the cabin down to a creek before disappearing into the forest. The size, depth, and stride of the tracks ruled out any known animal.


Adam also recounts additional unsettling experiences from other Northern California hotspots, including Butt Lakeand the Lazy Z Resort near Twain Harte, locations long rumored to be associated with Sasquatch sightings, strange sounds, and the feeling of being watched.


This episode explores more than just Bigfoot. Adam connects his encounters to a lifetime of paranormal, spiritual, and unexplained experiences, raising questions about whether Sasquatch may be more than a flesh-and-blood creature.

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big that Society. You've got the privilege of talking to

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Adam today. Adam is a listener of the show, and

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we got connected about some interesting things that Adam has

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experienced over the years. We were just having a good

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time chatting before the recording and excited to hear all

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the different things that he's experienced. So welcome to the show, Adam.

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How are you doing today?

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Doing well, sir? Thank you? How are you?

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Oh man, I'm having a great day talking to people

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about Bigfoot and it's not too cold in Iowa.

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It's a great day.

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Then.

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So this area that we're going to be talking about,

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we're talking a little bit about it and it's definitely

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an active area. But you know, Adam, feel free to

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take us back to when you started experiencing these these

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Bigfoot related things in your life.

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Yeah, so kind of an interesting lead up. When I

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was in I think seventh or eighth grade, I'd gotten

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a book. I'd come across the book by Alan Berry

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and Anne Slate B and Slate having to do with Bigfoot,

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and it was describing what the Sierra, the Sierras and

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the camp that they had in the Sierras with Ron

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I can't remember his last name, Ron, and the Warren

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brothers and Alan Barry moorehead thank you. And so I'd

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read the book and I had been intrigued by it,

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but thought, yeah, I don't know about that. You know,

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this might be some pretty imaginative thinking. And then and

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then I guess that same year, we'd gone on a trip,

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three week trip across the United the Western United States,

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and so at one point we did up in Canada,

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and I had purchased a couple of big footbooks and

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thought that was interesting, but still wasn't really entirely believing.

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So when I was fourteen, my aunt, who's basically like

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my big sister, she's ten years older me, and so

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she was twenty four I was fourteen. So she had

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this boyfriend that had a cabin in a town called Avery,

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which is in northern California, and he actually had shoe

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cabins on the property one cabin was a cabin that

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had been built by his father, and that was the

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permanent you know, that was the residence and actual residents

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that had been built well built a completion. The boyfriend

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of my aunt he was building a new cabin on

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the side of this hill that was across the creek

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and up the hill from the cabin that his father

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had built, a more permanent cabin. And so I'd been

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up there in the summers before, but in this particular year,

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I happened to be there the week at Christmas. And

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like I said, I was fourteen. In this cabin that

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he'd built, he was he was an amateur carpenter, and

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he was kind of feeling his way through the process,

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and so and being young, you know, he was also

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he was also not very accomplished carpenter. And so you

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had the front door was basically comprised of two by fours,

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you know, two by fours, with the header of the

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footer crossing across. And then he had plastic instead of glass,

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and plastic over the windows with the windows were supposed

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to be. And so this one particular night, we'd come

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home back to the cabin from running errands earlier in

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the day, about six thirty PM, and it started to snow,

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and so, you know, we got into the cabin that

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he was building, the ramshackle cabin, and it had a

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potbelly stove that was the only source of heat two

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stories and the cabin had two stories. And so at

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a certain point, about eleven PM or thereabouts, maybe even earlier,

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they went upstairs and went to bed, and I was

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on the ground floor, and they had two dogs. One

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of them was a German shepherd. One of them was

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kind of along hair, like a greyhound. And so I'm

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sitting in there pull out couch and my sleeping bag,

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and it's cold, like the hot the pot belly stove

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was radiating heat, but not a lot of heat, and

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so I was cold, and I was sitting in the

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sleeping bag and the dogs were sitting sleeping by the

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pot belly stove. And right around i'd say eleven sometime

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between eleven thirty PM and midnight, the dogs started getting

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really agitated all of a sudden, like they were sleeping

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in this really deep slumber. I could hear them breathing,

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that's how deep their slumber was. And all of a sudden,

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just like the snap of the fingers. They were up

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and agitated and growling and moving all around the floor,

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and I was like, what's gotten into them? You know?

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And that's about the time when I started hearing something

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outside of the cabin and I could tell that whatever

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it was, it was extremely big. I could just hear

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from the footfalls, and there was heavy breathing. I could

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hear breathing over the dogs growling, which shows you how

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loud the breathing was. You know. It was breathing that

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I could easily detect. And so that went on. I

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guess about fifteen minutes. The dog's moving all around agitated

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me being scared to death. And then after the fifteen minutes,

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the dogs died down, went back to sleep, the soundns

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went away, and I sat there in the sleeping bag

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the rest and I terrified because his cabin and I'm

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not kidding when I say this, A five year old

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could have infiltrated and broken into his cabin, let alone,

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something besides the bigfoot, and I didn't know what it

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was at the time. I was thinking. Wasn't thinking a

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bigfoot at all. I was thinking more like a bear.

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You know, there's a lot of wildlife where this cabin

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was located in Avery. It was down the street from

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from it's on I think Moran Road, I want to say,

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down the street from the Avery Hotel, by Murphy's camp.

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And so when you would get out to his cabin

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at night, when you were driving the road down to

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his cabin, it was completely pitch black. You couldn't see anything,

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no street lights. The nearest neighbor was like miles and

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miles away. So I knew likely this wasn't going to

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be a person. I was suspecting a bear or something

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like that. And anyway, the next morning I woke up

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and the dogs had to go out and you know,

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go to the bathroom, and so I put on my

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weather gear and I went outside with the dogs, and

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just uphill from this cabin, my aunt's boyfriend's cabin, if

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you went up the hill about I guess maybe eighty feet,

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maybe not that far, maybe sixty feet. But from there

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on up the rest of the hill, the upper part

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of the hill that was all forestry land, and they

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had barbed wire fence that separated the boyfriend's property from

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the forestry land. And the forestry land that was all field,

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an empty field up above I don't, you know, come

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to think about it, I don't know why that field

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was empty the way it was, because there was forest

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everywhere around, but for whatever reason, there was this patch

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of empty field. And so when I went out the

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next morning, I could immediately see that there were these

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huge footprints. There were, you know, anywhere from like thirteen

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to fifteen inches. I'm thinking now from an adult perspective,

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because I was fourteen when it happened. I'm thinking probably

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fifteen sixteen inches. And the thing that really was staggering

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to me was that the footprints sunk so far down

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in the snow, Like the footprints went three to four

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inches deep into the snow. And being only fourteen, I

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wasn't very heavy, but I couldn't even put like a

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dent snow like you know, I would have had to

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jump up and down, and even then I couldn't have

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gotten it to that depth. So the depth and the

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size of the footprints the stride, the stride was. I

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couldn't replicate the stride. I tried. It was too long,

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too far. And so what I noticed when I looked

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up the hill, you could see this sequential line of

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footprints that started at the top of the horizon and

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came down the hill. Sequential came down the hill, got

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to the barber wire fence. You had one footprint on

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one side of the fence and then you had another

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footprint on the other. Like this thing had just stepped

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over this barberire fence. And the barber wire fence came up,

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you know, like to my chest. So it was over

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five feet tall, and that staggered me. I was like,

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holy cow, Like this thing must have been huge to

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be able to just step over this barbed wire. So

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it had stepped over the barber fence. And then the

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footprints had tracked downhill from the cabin to the creek,

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and then it jumped over. It leapt over this creek

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and then gone up over the other side, past the

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permanent cabin, the one that the father had built, and

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then across the street and up into the woods. And

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so I tried. I didn't have a camera at the time,

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so I couldn't take a picture of the footprints. And

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I tried to get my aunt and her boyfriend to

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wake up and get out and have a look. And

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you know, they I couldn't get them to get out

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of bed. You know, they they had been tired from

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the day before and they just wanted to sleep in

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and so unfortunately the foot tracks were lost to you know, history.

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But after the fact, they had that cabin. The cabin

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that was the more permanent residence that was rented by

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a friend of theirs named Lou. And Lou had been

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a Vietnam veteran and he'd been he'd been sprayed upon

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during Vietnam the Vietnam War with agent Orange, and agent

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Orange had given him MS and so highly highly intelligent

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individual who had physical handicaps from the MS. But he

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was always extremely kind to me and I trusted him.

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He was a good man, roughly about their same age,

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mid twenties, And so when this happened a couple of

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days later, I was talking to him about it and

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I was like, you know, like I saw these footprints

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and this thing walked by the cabin in the middle

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of the night, and I think it was bigfoot, And

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have you had anything like that? And you know, anybody

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who lives around that and that's like an everyday, regular

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occurrence to them. He was pretty nonchalant in his answer.

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He's like, oh, yeah, you know, people see bigfoot here.

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Bigfoot all the time. And I was like, well, like,

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what do you mean, and he was like, well, he's like,

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I've had friends. This happened to myself driving along in

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the middle of the night. The hero it sounds like

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a woman screaming, and they stop and they pull over

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and they get out of their car and there's nothing there.

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There's nobody there. It's just pitch black, no street lights,

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no cars, no nothing, no women. And he said sometimes

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they would pull over because they thought they heard a

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police siren coming at them and they would pull over.

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So I thought that was pretty fascinating. But I always

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felt whenever I was at that cabin, especially at night,

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I always felt like I was being watched. And you know,

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another related Bigfoot story would be that and I didn't

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have like tangible evidence left behind like with this instance.

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But my family and I we used to go to

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a place called Butt Lake. And Butt Lake is up

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in northern California by Chico. By reading around there, and

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when we would go, it was a lake that was

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largely unknown to a lot of people. You needed to

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go down this dirt road, down this steep mountain on

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a dirt road, and then down in the valley was

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the lake, and so you would basically have where the

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same families would vacation there every year during the summer,

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and so whenever we were there, I always felt like

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something was watching me. And on this one particular occasion

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we would go. We would stay weak and we would

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water ski all day and have the campfire at night

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and tell stories and all that. And so this one

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particular day we were out water skiing and I saw

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the sun glinting off something on this inlet into the lake,

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and I was like, huh, I wonder what that is,

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you know. And so I got my grandfather and I

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was like, look, there's this silver glinting in the sunlight,

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Like what is that, you know? And so he drove

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the boat over and we went over to where the inlet,

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the finger you know, came into the lake, and got

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off the boat walked over the saw. It was a

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brand new saw. It was one of those saws and

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I don't know the term for the type of saw,

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but it wasn't a traditional saw. It was one of

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the saws that was shaped like a d d is

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in delta and it was brand new. And I remember

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sitting there and looking around, I'm like, he hello, is

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anybody leave their saw out here? No response, no reply?

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And I thought it was odd in that the area

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where the saw was located, Yeah, there was forestry back

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a certain ways, but there was also a lot of

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easily viewable territory all around, and so there was nobody there.

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I couldn't see anybody there, and I always thought it

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was so odd that somebody would just leave the saw

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like that. So years later, forty years later, I talked

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to this gentleman and he was a Leo law enforcement

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officer and he was from the Bay Area in California,

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and he was like, Yeah, my family and I we

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would go and we would have summer vacation at lake

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and we had bigfoot of counters at Lake. So I

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don't know this to be true, but I have it

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in the back of my mind that somebody maybe was

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there cutting up firewood and they had an encounter and

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they dropped their saw and split. I don't know that

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for sure, but that's my that's my guess. The other time,

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my family and I used to vacation at this resort

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called the Lazy Z which is located in Twain Heart.

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Twain Heart being in northern California and twain Hart being

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a town that's just outside of Jamestown town, Jamestown being

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more well known, better known than twain Heart. But the

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Lazy Zy magnificent resort, brilliant place to go and relax

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a vacation. As a matter of fact, Goldie Hawn and

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Kurt Russell used to vacation there. And so over the

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years I got to know the family and we would,

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you know, we would stay in one of the cabins

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every summer, and so I always felt like I was

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being watched there as well. And then just recently had

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come across some information that, yeah, the people the Lazy

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Z had reported having Bigfoot experiences around the resort, around

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the Lazy Z. So that would be the gist of

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my bigfoot experience. Now, one thing I can tell you

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just my own personal observations, a little biographic biographical information,

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auto biographical. I lost my father when I was nine,

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and I lost him to addiction and suicide, and it

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was really jarring for me especially, Oh, it's very kindy, well,

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thank you. Well, yeah, it was it was tough. I

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mean my parents my mom looked like Natalie Wood. My

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dad was a more handsome version of Robert Redford. If

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you watch Robert Redford in The Sting or if you

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watch Us and the Sundance Kid, that was my dad.

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Only my dad was more handsome, I thought, than Robert Redford,

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and so, you know, and like he went through the

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cowboy phase where it looked like Robert Redford and Bush

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Cassidy and then he liked to slip back his hair

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and that was his Sting face. And so to you know,

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I was enormously proud of my parents that you know,

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it was like having Hollywood Royalty as my parents. You know,

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their attractiveness was obvious to one and all, especially me,

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and so to lose him like that, and to lose

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him just overnight like that, and what made it really compounding,

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really compounding, was that that was seventy three, and back then,

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you know, they didn't have the Betty Ford klink. They

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didn't have people didn't really understand drug addiction and so

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not to go too far down the rabbit hole. But

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my mom, who was going to have it out with

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him because he was on the cocaine train, and so

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she had sent me to stay with my aunt, the

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same ones like my sister and I had been staying

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with her that that Saturday night, and I was sleeping

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in the sleeping bag on the living room floor, and

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I had this dream. And in this dream, I basically

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dreat my dad's death. Is what happened. I drepted my

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dad's death. I woke up the next morning. I didn't

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see him shoot himself, thank God, but I knew he died.

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I knew he was gone the dream. And so I

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woke up the next morning in a flop sweat in

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my sleeping bag, thinking, you know, thank Heaven, it was

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a dream. And that was about time my aunt walked

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into the room. She was nineteen, and she said, Adam,

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I don't know, I'll tell you. So I'm just going

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to tell your dad died last night. And it was

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like it was like having God kick drop drop kick

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my head. You know. I went from being a goofy

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nine year old with goofy nine year old thoughts to

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feeling like I was eighty years old with a snap

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of the fingers. And so that did two things. It

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turned me into a hardcore atheist and it turned me

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into a hardcore realist. And so all these experience that

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I'd had, all the paranormal experiences and the bulk of

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my experiences have been paranormal, with the spiritual, with the demonic,

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things like that. Unsolicited didn't solicit these experiences, but they

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found me nonetheless, and so that's how I'd come to

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know that these things are true. The world is so

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much more than people realize and Bigfoot. At one point

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I was like many I like Jeff Muldram, doctor Meldrum,

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who just recently passed rest in peace, but he thought

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Bigfoot was gigantipithecus. I've since come to realize that Bigfoot's

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far more than that. It's far more than a giant

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ape or gorilla. It has capabilities that far surpass those creatures.

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And so, yeah, the world's a fascinating place. But listen,

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you guys do a phenomenal job. I really appreciate your channel.

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It's a subject that I you know, I have family

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and friends, my own children who are like dad, don't

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be saying this stuff with public because people think you're crazy.

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But thanks to the Jacklinx commercials, Bigfoot's not such a

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taboo subject anymore. And so what you guys are doing

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is you're enlightening people and opening minds to the fact that, yeah,

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this creature does exist. It is out there where that

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cabin was located. I'm telling you nobody, nobody, but nobody

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would have come strolen by that cabin in the middle

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of the night. And the fact that the dogs reacted

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the way they did was really a powerful endorsement that

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the experience was something other than my imagination. So I

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guess that's about it, unless you have any questions for.

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Me, Yeah, a few, definitely. So the unfortunate losing of

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your father, so your paranormal interactions and bigfoot interactions, they

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were all after that point in time, correct.

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Yeah, that's correct. What ended up happening is that that

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was the first psychic experience I had, and then from

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seventeen to forty five, I'd had all these crazy experiences

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that once again unbidden, unsolicited, but nonetheless they visited upon

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my life. And so I come to find out that, yeah,

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these things are all real, and that that was kind

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of the instigator his death and his death, you know,

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it was very, very impacted to me. But the one

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good thing about his death was it kept me away

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from drugs, you know. Instead, I went the other way.

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I jumped into an alcohol bottle, you know, when I

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was sixty had stayed there until I was thirty, but

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it kept me away from drugs. You know, I don't

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remember a lot about his time. I just remember that

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his a lot of things changed when he got on

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the cocaine train. He was very fastidious beforehand, whereas afterward

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he didn't care about his appearance as much anymore, and

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so things his priority has changed, you know. But yeah,

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you know a lot of people think that having that

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psychic thing is a gift. It's not. It's a curse,

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or at least it's proven to be a curse. For me.

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I've had a lot of precognition, and when the precognition arrived,

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it was always bad. It was always foretelling is somebody dying. However,

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and having said that, and now that I'm thinking, I've

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also had a lot of spiritual experiences, and so I

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went from being somebody who is a hardcore fist and

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not religious in any way, shape or form, to where

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now I'm extremely spiritual. Still not religious, but extremely spiritual

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because I've had a lot of experiences with the spiritual

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and the paranormal. And so, yeah, that was kind of

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the beginning. My father passing was the beginning of that,

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and I would surmise it maybe the reason why I

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haven't had more Bigfoot experiences is because I haven't been

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out in the forest for a long time. Now. You know,

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there was a while there where I was in the

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forest quite a bit through vacationing and all that, and

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now I've not been in the forest for a long time.

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But I you know, most of my experiences have been

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mostly ghosts and hauntings and haunted places and haunted things

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and demonic and spiritual like that.

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You mentioned really quick that you feel that.

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With Bigfoot specifically, there is something else going on rather

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than the viewpoint of it may have been just a

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really big prehistoric ape.

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Yeah, I mean so, And that's I've I do a

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lot of reading. Like I said prior to our interview,

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the only the only talents God's trusted me and trusted

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me with her being a big mouth and being a

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storyteller and a writer, and so I read voraciously and

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that subject. I've been reading books on that subject voraciously

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for many, many many years. And so you know, nothing

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firsthand for me to have that conclusion, but more like

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reading the eyewitness reports of others and learning their experiences

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and what they'd experienced, and that leading me to the

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belief that Bigfoot is so much more like the famous

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story with Teddy Roosevelt and the trappers. You know that

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he'd written about, Teddy had written about President Roosevelt had

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written about in his book and talking about Bauman Bauman

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in the Other Mountain Man and their Bigfoot experience. And

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so bigfoot goes like.

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If you if you research the first newspaper article about Bigfoot,

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it goes back to I think like sixteen eighty five,

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the first recorded instance.

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And then you consider that they're bigfoot sightings all over

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the world except for like islands, but any land, any

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land blocked mass you find bigfoot, you find bigfoot sightings.

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And so there's something obviously these aren't, you know, creatures

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like rills or so it could be easily photographed. These

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these creatures are highly intelligent and highly empathetic, and they

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can read us pretty well. I mean, they don't like guns.

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That's been my my finding. They don't like guns. They

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don't like people encroaching upon their territory, and when that happens,

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they pretty quickly let you know that they're around. Based

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upon my.

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Reading, absolutely, And.

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Do you just hear these incidents where you know, let's say,

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I mean, here's here's one that happened to me specifically

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where you know, out in the woods in Oregon and

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you verbally say to the woods, hey, if there's someone here,

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if there's something here, can you make a noise? And

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you get a response, and you know, like, how do

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you explain that It's it's unexplainable. Uh, there's definitely intelligence there.

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Yeah, the rock knocking and the tree knocks that requires

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an imposable thumb, like you know, bears can't do that,

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other animal in the forest can't do that. And then

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you've got this creature that not only is wood knocking

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and rock knocking, but doing it with cadence like there's

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an intelligence there. And so people, you know, if not

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three times only to have the three knocks repeated in

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the distance, and not only that, but it seems to

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me like they use wood knocking and tree knocking to triangulate,

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like it's a form of communication. Because there have been

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people that have had There was a gentleman who owned

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a hotel in Strawberry and unfortunately, poor guy died when

456
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a tree fell on top of him and killed him.

457
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:42.920
But he had gone public with his he had all

458
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:47.440
kinds of bigfoot stuff going on around his hotel in Strawberry, California,

459
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.559
and he'd reported, you know, like he was surrounded at

460
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.400
one point by multiple and he could hear them. You know,

461
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.160
one would wood knock or rock knock to his left,

462
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.000
one would do the same to his right, in front

463
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:03.000
of him, behind him, And so these creatures are far

464
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.240
more intelligent than people realize. It's not just summing animal

465
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:12.000
out there with rudimentary thinking. There's intelligence. There's intelligence there.

466
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:17.839
And the first time I saw the Patty film, namely

467
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.599
having to do with Roger Pattison and Chiez the gentleman

468
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.000
he was with, I'm sorry, I'm starting to get more

469
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.440
brain fused now that I'm into my sixties, but you know,

470
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.240
they'd had that situation with Patty, And when you watch

471
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.680
that footage, to me anyway, like right away, being the

472
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.240
hardcore realists and natural skeptic that I am, I was

473
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.119
looking at the footage going, you know, could this possibly

474
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:48.640
be faked? And I'm seeing muscles roll under the fur.

475
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.880
I'm seeing a muscles bulge beneath the fur. I'm seeing

476
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:57.640
this ponderous gait, this huge creature where you go, Okay,

477
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.680
something that size, this is the gate would have I

478
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.240
don't believe for a moment that that's a person in

479
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:09.680
a suit. It's just too organically perfect. And one of

480
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.519
the things that I thought really fascinating that I recently

481
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:16.799
read about was that the reason why they surprised Patty

482
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:21.480
possibly was that they were on horseback and Bigfoot or

483
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.000
you know, they have a relationship with horses. They're not

484
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.519
threatened by horses. They've been around horse As a matter

485
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.920
of fact, some people reported that the Bigfoot like to

486
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.200
weave the horse's manes and tails, which you know, I

487
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:37.759
don't know why they would do that except maybe to

488
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.319
be nice. But a lot of people surmise that the

489
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.640
reason they were able to surprise Patty on that day

490
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.960
was because they were on horseback, and they'd been on

491
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.039
horseback I think about three weeks, and so they were

492
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:53.599
way way back in the forest, and I think that

493
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:54.720
the Bigfoot.

494
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.839
Patty likely heard them but identified those noises as being

495
00:29:58.880 --> 00:29:59.920
horse noises and.

496
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:04.000
Not being humans. I think that's how they surprise Patty.

497
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.799
But that's just a guess on my part. I don't

498
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.039
know that for sure. You know, could be anything but

499
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.799
it's a far more fascinating subject than people realize, and people,

500
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.400
I would say this from an eyewitness perspective. You know,

501
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.160
people ridicule you for it, but you know what you know,

502
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:24.359
you know, if you experienced it, Listen to your heart.

503
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.680
Your heart knows better than everybody who's passing judgment on you.

504
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.720
And so if people are ridiculing you, I mean, my

505
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.279
own kids still ridicule me about it, and I'm like,

506
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.319
you know, you're a child of your opinion. I know

507
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.799
what I know, and that's good enough for me.

508
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:43.599
Absolutely, I agree with that.

509
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:49.400
I've been through some really interesting situations myself with people,

510
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.799
but hate that. That's how it is. That's that's how

511
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:54.400
it is, and it's you know, you just get you

512
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.640
stick to just to what you know and what you've experienced.

513
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:03.359
But you know, if you would be willing to share,

514
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:11.160
if is there a certain situation that happened to you

515
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:17.319
then that made you transition from being more of a

516
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:24.119
hardcore atheist to someone who was more on the spiritual side.

517
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:33.920
Yeah, so that's a fascinating story. Basically, by nature, by

518
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.039
my natural nature, I'm an EmPATH, but i'd gotten to

519
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:44.960
my late teens early twenties, and I became somebody who

520
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:50.160
was really arrogant and really nasty. I'd had, like we

521
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.880
all do, we all scar each other, and I'd had

522
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.039
people scar me and pay me, and I'd grown jaded,

523
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.440
and I'd become a really obnoxious person. That's the kind

524
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.839
of person that you know. I had a storm cloud

525
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:05.960
over my head and people would see me walking toward

526
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.559
them and they'd turn around, doing about face and go

527
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.279
in the other direction. And so when it happened, it

528
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:20.559
was it was a perfect storm, so to speak, in

529
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.680
that I was getting more and more obnoxious and more

530
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:30.519
and more arrogant, and more and more unhappy, and and

531
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.759
several things came into play simultaneously. My mother was having

532
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.960
some issues with her life, and she was going through

533
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:46.880
a really fierce depression, really fierce, really really fierce, and

534
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:48.920
and so I was having to deal with that. And

535
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:55.680
when people go through really serious mental neurosis, you know,

536
00:32:56.039 --> 00:33:00.160
initially people were very helpful, very kind, and looking to

537
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.200
be there for that person. But as time goes by,

538
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.680
as the weeks turn into months and the months turn

539
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.599
into here, people go back to their lives, most of

540
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.200
them within months. And that's what had happened with my mom,

541
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.319
like one by one, all the family and all the

542
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.119
friends started going back to their own lives, and so

543
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:25.160
it was just she and I, you know, towards the

544
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:26.839
end there, you know, I would be up in a

545
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.680
room for hours at a time trying to talk her

546
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.079
out of coming suicide. And then I had stuff going

547
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.039
on at work, and so all this stuff was coming

548
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:42.440
together all at once, and so wed I'd come to

549
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.839
this moment where, you know, I was under the belief

550
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.400
that my life was everything that was to the left

551
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.759
of me, only to then find out that everything that

552
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.039
was real was to the ride to me. And so

553
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.400
basically what God had done was he'd put a veil

554
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.640
over my eyes for six months leading up to the

555
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.559
explosion and had me thinking that everything was true to

556
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.679
the left of me, when everything to the right was

557
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.880
with actual factuality. And so there came a nexus point

558
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.679
between my personal life of my mother, my work, which

559
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:26.719
was extremely stressful, and my attitude. And you know, basically

560
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.280
I came to a moment where I had two little

561
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.679
children who were relying upon me, and I was staring

562
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:35.800
into the abyss and there was no safety net under us,

563
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:42.239
and it scared me. Six lays to Sunday and just prior,

564
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.360
you know, as all that went, I equated to dominoes

565
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.800
on a table. It was like God stacked these dominoes

566
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.239
on a table, all these events that you'd never think

567
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.719
in a million years would be aligned with one another.

568
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.719
He took all these random events and he stacked them

569
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.239
one beside another and life them up like dominoes on

570
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.239
a table. And then it was like I could almost

571
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.599
hear him say in my head and it's the psychic

572
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.000
thing that I've got. I could almost hear Okay, here

573
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.079
we go, you know, and he pulls the veil off

574
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.159
my eyes, and I'm like, oh my gosh, everything the

575
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.599
left of me is not my reality. Everything the right

576
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.880
of me is my reality. And not only you know,

577
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.800
we're in trouble. My children are in trouble. And I

578
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.400
need to grow up in a real hurry. And in

579
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.519
the way that these things all came in alignment with

580
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.599
one another, there was a strategy. There, There was a

581
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:40.960
purpose there. These things couldn't evolve come together, you know, spontaneously,

582
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.719
you know, that just couldn't have happened. There was a purpose,

583
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.719
There was a design, There was a strategy so that

584
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:52.760
was the first instance, and then the second instance, which

585
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:58.719
was just as profound. I worked the grave airship for

586
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:03.559
thirty five years, so I gotten off my shift on

587
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:07.320
this pristine I'd worked the Saturday graveyard shift, gotten off

588
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.559
the shift this pristine Sunday morning. It's beautiful out, and

589
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.920
I remember at the time, as i was walking from

590
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.440
the building to my car and driving down to the freeway, thinking,

591
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:24.679
this is like, you know, this is like a Sunday

592
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:29.320
that's more pristine, more beautific, more radiant than any Sunday

593
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.639
morning I've ever seen before. I mean, it just seemed

594
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.599
different on a cellular level, on a psychic level level,

595
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.480
I could just detect it. And so I get on

596
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.039
the freeway and I'm going down the freeway and as

597
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.039
I'm heading down the freeway toward my home on the

598
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:51.000
right hand side, there's this huge stadium rock concerts shows,

599
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.920
like that huge stadium, and I'm looking at the clouds

600
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.400
because because I've written over two hundred short stories, because

601
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.000
I'm two hundred and eighty three pages of my first novel,

602
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.039
I'm constantly looking for material for my writing. And so

603
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.800
this one morning, I'm looking at the clouds over to

604
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:11.280
the ride to me where the stadium is for inspiration

605
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.880
for my writing, and I see something out of the

606
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.360
corner of my left eye when I swillowed my head around.

607
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.559
It was a cloud bank that was easily three times

608
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.840
the size of the arena. I mean, it was huge,

609
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.159
and I'm looking at and I'm thinking, am I really

610
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:31.320
seeing this? It looked like a three dimensional ice sculpture.

611
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.000
It literally did. And it was the face of Jesus.

612
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.280
I could see hair that came down with the shoulders.

613
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:43.440
I could see these wise eyes. This patrician knows this,

614
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:49.679
you know, refined mouth and goateee and beard combination that

615
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.719
you know, just looked like it'd just been sculpted. You know,

616
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.400
it looked the entire thing looked like an ice sculpture.

617
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.760
That's literally what looked like. And it was staring down

618
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:03.719
at me and everybody beneath me. And I remember the

619
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.840
analytical side of my brain, which is never very far away,

620
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.719
kicking in, going okay, wait a minute, Are there jagged edges? No,

621
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.480
there are no jagged edges. Is there anything like you

622
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.880
normally see with a cloud bag? Is there hazing in

623
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.400
certain parts of the cloud and certain parts of this

624
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.320
cloud or thicker or thinner than other parts of the cloud.

625
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:27.239
You know, is there anything that's normal here with the cloud?

626
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.679
And there was nothing normal. It looked like an ice sculpture,

627
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.119
like somebody carved Jesus's face out of a cloud and

628
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.159
then suspended it up above me and everyone else, with

629
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.519
that face staring down at us. And so I witnessed

630
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.239
that for about ten minutes, and I didn't have a

631
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.880
cell phone, I didn't have a camera with me at

632
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.639
the time. But being a realist and knowing how the

633
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.519
ravages of time work, I knew over time the memory

634
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.480
would fade from my memory. And so when I had

635
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.039
gotten home, I'd forced myself to sit down and ride

636
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.920
out a story about that, write it down, because I

637
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.000
knew over time the memory would delineate, the details would delineate.

638
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:12.440
But that was really profound for me. Had you know,

639
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:15.559
it couldn't have been anything other than what it was.

640
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:19.480
And then the last thing I'll say with regard to

641
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:23.639
that subject was that when my mother died. My mother

642
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:29.280
was a hardcore atheist, just like me, and she'd contracted

643
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:35.239
breast cancer, and so, you know, I flew out to

644
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.559
Arizona to say goodbye to her. I gotten the call

645
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.800
you know that she wasn't going to be around much longer,

646
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.480
and so I'd had to fly out to Arizona to

647
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:48.199
say goodbye. And when I got to the hospital, pardon me,

648
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.360
even though she was only sixty two years old, when

649
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.320
I got to the hospital, she looked like my ninety

650
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.079
two year old great grandmother. Literally, that Paine had ravaged

651
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.480
her to the point where she looked like she was

652
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.639
ninety two years old, and she was cognizant, she couldn't speak,

653
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.679
and I was feeding her ice chips and trying to

654
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.159
comfort her, trying to assure that everything was going to

655
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:13.599
be all right, that we loved her, that we were

656
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.840
there for And so at a certain point, the hospital

657
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:23.280
administrator approached us and said, you know, look, the conclusion

658
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:28.480
it's foregone. You know, we can keep her alive for

659
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.079
like another three weeks, but she's going to be in

660
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.079
great pain. We're not going to be able to save her.

661
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.679
The cancer has progressed to the point where it's metastasized

662
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:41.679
into her soft tissue, into her bone, and we're not

663
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:43.599
going to be able to save her. And we'll keep

664
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.000
her alive for three weeks, but she's going to be

665
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.480
in a lot of pain, or we can do hospice. Well,

666
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.280
I didn't know anything about hospice. I was really ignorant

667
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.880
about it. But after she'd advised us about it, we

668
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.000
all decided that we wanted her to be in hospice.

669
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:03.360
And the difference between the two. Hospitals try to heal you,

670
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:09.360
and so they're looking for curative anything that's curative. With hospice,

671
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.519
they're looking to remove all your pain. You're in hospice

672
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.440
because your death is inevitable and they want to save

673
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.880
you from the ravages of the pain that's you know,

674
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.960
savaging your body. And so when we moved her to hospice,

675
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.920
it actually, in some ways it made it easier, but

676
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.480
in a lot of ways it made harder because she

677
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.559
looked like she was forty five. She looked like she

678
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:35.159
could just roll right out of bed and you know,

679
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.400
goes rollerblading through the halls of the hospice, and so

680
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:44.000
it was really difficult. And so the night that she passed,

681
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.159
I was staying at the home that she shared with

682
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.440
my stepfather. They lived out in the Boonize, Arizona, where

683
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.320
you could hear the coyotes at night and all that,

684
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.360
and they didn't have neighbors very close by. And so

685
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.199
that night, after being at the hospice all day, we'd

686
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.519
all come back to the home and we were all exhausted,

687
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:05.800
my family and I and everybody went to sleep, as

688
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.039
did I, and I fell asleep about eleven and then

689
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.760
about three in the morning, two thirty three in the morning,

690
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.480
maybe a little bit later in that, but roughly in

691
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:18.320
that range. They had one of those doors. They had

692
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.360
the front door, and then they had a storm door,

693
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.400
and the storm door had the kind of door handle

694
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.639
where he had to twist it from a horizontal position

695
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.039
to a vertical position then pull the door open. And

696
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:33.440
so when we got home that night, my stepfather closed

697
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.559
the storm door, locked the storm door, closed the front door,

698
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.280
locked the front door, and then we'd all gone to bed,

699
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.119
and my family and I had been telling him, you know,

700
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.079
be ready, she might come and visit us. And he's Irish,

701
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.800
and Irish have a really strong dread of the paranormal.

702
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:54.039
At least that's my understanding. That's certainly the case with him.

703
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:55.960
He didn't want to talk about it at all, did

704
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:59.039
want to acknowledge it nothing. So that night I went

705
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.480
to bed and I'm sleeping on the living room floor

706
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.079
in my sleeping bag. And they had two couches by

707
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:11.000
the front door that shaped an L. So the lower

708
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.480
part of like a capital L, was by the front door,

709
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.320
and then you had the other couch that intersected it

710
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:19.760
and made it the L that was like the backbone

711
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.679
side of the L. I'm not really come up with

712
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.199
a good analogy, but that's basically what it was. And

713
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:27.599
my aunt was sleeping on the couch nearest the front door,

714
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:29.519
and a family friend was sleeping on the air couch.

715
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.159
And so about two point thirty three in the morning,

716
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.960
I hear somebody at the storm door. I could still

717
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.119
hear it at my head to this very day. And

718
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:43.000
they twisted the handle three times, angrily, furiously twisted the

719
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.320
handle three times, I took, like twisting it from a

720
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:53.199
horizontal position to a vertical position, but violently so, and

721
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.360
then pulling on that door with all their might to

722
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.320
the point where the home shook. And so that kept

723
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.960
happening over and again. Chok bam, bam bam, chok chick

724
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.159
took bam bam bam. And I'm looking at the door

725
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.440
and I'm thinking, am I imagining this? Like you know,

726
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.079
like is this my imagination. And at that point their

727
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.159
cat walked up, and their cat's looking at me and

728
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:17.840
looking at the front door and looking at me like

729
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:22.639
are we really seeing this? Hearing this? You know? And

730
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.480
so yeah, that went on about ten to fifteen minutes,

731
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.719
fifteen minutes maybe, and my aunt never woke up. The

732
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.159
family friend never woke up. I remember seeing my aunt's

733
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:36.119
bare foot. She'd take off her socks or whatever, and

734
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.440
her foot was sitting by the door handle to the

735
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:42.639
front door. And she never woke up. And I was

736
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.280
trying to muster my courage to go up and open

737
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.039
the door to the front door so I could see

738
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.639
who was on the other side of the storm door,

739
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:53.360
and I was reluctant to do so, Like I'm running

740
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.760
things through my mind, going, okay, could this be a

741
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.360
stranger in the middle of the night, in the middle

742
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.239
of the Arizona desert, in the middle of nowhere, you know,

743
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.400
what could this possibly be? And so just about the time,

744
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:07.800
you know, I'd been at least ten and maybe fifteen minutes,

745
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:11.239
and I had surmised that this was something else, possibly

746
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.440
could be. My mom got I was just about ready

747
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:15.679
to get up out of sleeping bag and go to

748
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.960
the door and then it stopped. And so then the

749
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:21.599
cat and I are sitting there looking at each air

750
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.920
like is it going to happen again? With like what

751
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:29.280
was that? And I guess about an hour later, maybe

752
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.320
the call came into my aunt's cell phone and she

753
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:34.840
answered it. She started sobbing, and right then I knew

754
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.280
my mom had died. So the other thing that kind

755
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.320
of brought me, you know, to a spiritual stance was

756
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.199
that when my mom died, you know, we started the

757
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.119
fire and the fire pit about six pm in the

758
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.280
in the evening, woke up the next morning when we

759
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.599
went out like ten am. By the time everybody had

760
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.880
roused themselves gotten dressed, that fire was still going, despite

761
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.559
the fact that no fire would have ever been you know,

762
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.400
it had never been replenished with wood. It burnt all

763
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.519
through the night, all through the morning, and there wasn't

764
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.840
a lot there when we started at six pm. So

765
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.000
the fact that the fire was still there, that was crazy.

766
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.960
And then you know, I flew back into town and

767
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.079
went back to work the next day. And at the

768
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:26.599
time I lived in this house, this huge brick house

769
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.119
that to me I live on the East coast now

770
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.360
where it's very, very humid, and so that house would

771
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.679
turn into an easy baked barbie oven. During the summer,

772
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.400
the heat, the sun would bake the brick all day long,

773
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:46.199
and then at night it would be oppressively hot. All

774
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.760
the time during the summer, it was oppressively hot. We

775
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.360
had air conditioning. The air conditioning couldn't keep up with

776
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.239
the with the brick and the size of the home,

777
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.440
and the landlord, the owner that we were running from,

778
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.519
he refused to take care of the AC And so

779
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.320
back then, you know, whenever I would get off my

780
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.000
night shift and I would go to sleep, I would

781
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.480
go into like a death sleep. You couldn't wake me up.

782
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:10.119
I mean nothing could wake me up for like the

783
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.519
first three four hours. And back then I was a

784
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.519
single dad, I was working the Great Airship. I was

785
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.519
only getting like two to four hours sleep a day

786
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:24.199
every day for years on end, which is a terrible

787
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.280
way to live. You feel like you're at the bottom

788
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.880
of a pool at all times. You see everything, you

789
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.880
hear everything, you interact with everything, but it's all muted.

790
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.159
It's like being at the bottom of a pool, and

791
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.360
so you're just constantly exhausted. Well, I came home. I

792
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.880
went to work that night, and then the next morning,

793
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:46.639
you know, I was in the midst of the death

794
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:48.920
sleep in it's really deep sleep, and she woke me

795
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:50.840
up by saying my name right next to my ear.

796
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.320
She actually woke me up to where I went. You know,

797
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.159
I heard Adam, and I was like, what you know?

798
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.639
And same thing with my children and other members of

799
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.079
the family. And that same night, I went to work

800
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.159
and I'd gotten off of work at two am, and

801
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.320
I'm coming down this hill headed toward the freeway from

802
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.199
my work building, and in the distance, I can see

803
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.199
all these electrical storms going on the distance on the

804
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.719
horizon and all the power where I was or I

805
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.800
was coming down the hill headed toward the freeway, incidentally,

806
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.559
headed toward I was heading toward the stadium that I

807
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:29.039
had referenced earlier, was going to skirt around that and

808
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:33.199
go to the freeway. And so I'm coming down this

809
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:36.199
hill and I'm noticing that all the electricity is out

810
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.440
in all the area around me. Nothing's lit. The stadium

811
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.199
lights are out, the gas station down the street the

812
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:47.199
lights are out, no lighting anywhere, And so I'm seeing

813
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.119
these storms off on the horizon, these chain lightning storms

814
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.400
and just the rider, I mean, was fascinated. And so

815
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:58.920
I'm watching this and I see to the corner of

816
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.480
my left eye, and bear in mind, like my car

817
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.840
is coming downhill, so the headlights are pointing downhill, but

818
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.960
off to the left, I see this cloud and it's

819
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.559
I'd say, if I had to reference it, it was

820
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.679
about the size of, like, I don't know, maybe three

821
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.519
bread boxes put side by side, maybe larger than that,

822
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.639
about the size of like a small dog, maybe a

823
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:24.599
little bit bigger than that. And I see this cloud

824
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.000
and you know, at this point, it's like two thirty

825
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.199
in the morning, two thirty am, and it's glowing and

826
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.800
it's it's glowing blue and purple and silver, and it

827
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:42.599
was roiling. In other words, like there was the content

828
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.840
inside of the cloud, the contents of the cloud, means

829
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.000
the inner part of the cloud were roiling. They were rolling, rolling,

830
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.360
over and over. And I saw these silver stars that

831
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.360
were glittering and rolling, roiling as the cloud was roiling,

832
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.280
and it's coming toward me. And I'm thinking, that's crazy.

833
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.960
How can how can that cloud glow like that? How

834
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.239
can it be so fiercely illuminated? Because the way that

835
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.360
clouds glow the way we see rainbows. It's the dust,

836
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.360
the dust particles in the cloud, and the sunlight reflects

837
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.599
or an ambient light source reflects off of the dust particles,

838
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.039
and that's what gives the impression of glowing. Well, the

839
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.880
problem with this was that that cloud, there was no

840
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.079
light anywhere near it. It was pitch black night. The

841
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.960
only light, the only illumination in the area was coming

842
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.599
from my headlights. And so and they're pointing downward, and

843
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:41.079
this is to the left, and so this cloud floats

844
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.480
over to my car and it stops just above the

845
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.239
roof of my car. I mean to the point where

846
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:47.920
I could have stopped the car, climbed up on the

847
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.880
roof of my car and touched it. And so I like,

848
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.440
roll down my window. I got my head out my window.

849
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:56.920
I'm staring up above the roof of my car at

850
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:01.280
this cloud. I'd slowed down to about five I've miles

851
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:04.320
an hour, maybe ten miles an hour, and the cloud

852
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.440
is tracking me. And at one point I made a

853
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.760
U turn, and the cloud executed the U turn as

854
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.920
I executed the U turn and stayed with my car.

855
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.719
And so the whole experience, you know, maybe ten minutes

856
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.039
and then eventually the cloud you know, drifted off and

857
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.199
took off onto the horizon. But I know that was

858
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.400
my mother's soul. I know it was her soul. It

859
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:32.119
couldn't have been anything but her soul. Logically, you couldn't

860
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.519
explain it any other way for this cloud to be

861
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.239
glowing the way it was. It was so vibrant, the

862
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.039
most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life except

863
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.360
for the birth of my children, you know. So that

864
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:47.719
that definitely, that definitely kind of drove home the point that, yeah,

865
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.480
we are spiritual beings. And one thing I'll tell you,

866
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:54.719
and I don't know if you want to include this

867
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.639
with the show, but our world is so much more

868
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:03.480
spirit than people realize. And right now we're in the

869
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.039
midst of a spiritual war, no kidding. I mean, like

870
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.880
it's a crazy thing to consider, you know, And that

871
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:13.840
you look at the movies, you look at all the

872
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:19.559
things that we've seen, Terminator movie, Skynet, pathogens running among

873
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:24.440
all these crazy things, eyes wide shut, all that. Yeah,

874
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.599
and then you come to the point where you realize, Okay,

875
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.800
these things are all real. The devil is real, Hell

876
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.199
is real, God is real, Heaven is real, the soul

877
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.199
is real. Ghosts are real, one thing I'll tell you.

878
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:41.760
And like I said, my bigfoot experiences are pretty limited,

879
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:44.519
And like I said, I think that's because I haven't

880
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.559
been out in the forest a lot for many, many years.

881
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:52.840
But on the other side of that coin, on the spiritual, paranormal,

882
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:56.280
demonic side, yeah, I've had all kinds of experiences. And

883
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:01.840
so the more the more spiritual you become, the more

884
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.800
the other side comes at you, the more the devil

885
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.760
wants to claim your soul. And so there would be

886
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:10.840
times when I would be lying in bed and I

887
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.159
would feel something someone climb into bed and spoon me,

888
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.639
you know, and I'd be looking at it logically like

889
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.039
I look at everything logically. I live by myself. I'm

890
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:24.480
an empty nest or dad, and I'm thinking, okay, could

891
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.280
this be my imagination? Well, no, the sheets are moving.

892
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.000
I can feel the mattress going down. I can feel

893
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:34.280
something moving and moving the mattress as it moves. This

894
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:38.719
is not natural, this is not normal. And so you know,

895
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:41.280
after paying for about ten minutes, it would go away.

896
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.599
And that's no longer as prevalent as it used to be.

897
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.239
But anytime I go to go to sleep, I always

898
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:52.880
get I could be thinking about being the lazies and

899
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.679
relaxing and trying to get my mind into a meditative

900
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.320
state so I can sleep, which is very difficult for

901
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.639
me because of working graveyard all the years and insomnia.

902
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.760
But it's gotten to the point where that's no longer occurring.

903
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.719
But what does occur is I go to go to

904
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.239
sleep and all of a sudden, I have this barrage

905
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.159
of violent imagery that hits my head, hits my mind,

906
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:14.840
and I have to pray for about ten minutes and

907
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.360
then eventually it goes away. So the world is far

908
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:24.320
far more than people realize, and.

909
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:26.760
We're heading toward the apocalypse, to be honest, that's what

910
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:27.400
we're headed toward.

911
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.199
In my opinion. Not everybody believes that. I respect the

912
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.480
opinions of others. I used to be an atheists, so

913
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.840
you know, I and even now I've suppressed my atheist

914
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.360
to the darkest, deepest quarters of my mind. But even

915
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.760
now I can hear them going, oh, come on, like

916
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:46.199
that's not real, But no, it is real, and I

917
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:50.079
know it's real based upon my experiences. It's definitely real.

918
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.119
So yeah, you know, take that for what it's worth,

919
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.400
but I can tell you the devil is definitely real.

920
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.119
I had not a body experience. I've had experience the

921
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:03.880
leisure boards all that. And you have to really be

922
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.400
careful about the choices you make because there will be

923
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.079
an accounting when you die. And I'm not saying that

924
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:12.360
in a threatening man or please understand, but more a beneficial,

925
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:19.199
you know, beneficial preventive manner like, be careful with the

926
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.159
choices you make because there will be a life review

927
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:27.440
when you die. And by the way, one of the

928
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.000
things that I thought was really fascinating, just on a

929
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:36.039
big footnote real quickly, there's a guy named Tom Thhom.

930
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:37.800
I forget his last name. I want to say his

931
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.440
last name is Control. But he has a very very

932
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:47.760
interesting experience his life with big football things, bigfoot. Quite

933
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:52.199
fascinating and actually, you know, now that i'm thinking about it,

934
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.880
it wasn't him. It was Coonbo. Coonbo was the one

935
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.079
that was telling the story. And he'd found the horn,

936
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.039
the goat horn heard about the god one.

937
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:04.519
Yes, the Shofar horn. I've heard you speak on this.

938
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.519
It's very interesting.

939
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.239
It's a fascinating thing to consider. Yeah, I kind of

940
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:12.639
like look at like I've noticed the cryptid sightings are

941
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:15.719
going through the roof, and it's like, okay, well, it's

942
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.360
either because people feel more comfortable talking about these things,

943
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.119
not unlike what Jack Links did for talking about sasquatch. Now,

944
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.400
you know, I made it cool with the college kids

945
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.119
and the public at large, so now people are more forthcoming.

946
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:35.320
But yeah, you know, I wonder about all the cryptid sightings,

947
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:38.280
the explosion of cryptid sightings, and it's like it's either

948
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.880
that people are more comfortable reporting what they're seeing, or

949
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:45.639
that there are a lot more experiences, you know, not

950
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:48.400
unlike all the people disappearing in all the national parks,

951
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:53.280
you know, the Missy full one one phenomenon that's crazy

952
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:54.239
to consider too.

953
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:58.000
I think it is maybe a combination of the two,

954
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:04.000
where people are getting more more comfortable with sharing. They're

955
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.440
realizing there are certain places they can share now where

956
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.920
they're going to be allowed to share without being made

957
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.119
fun of. And then I think that as you said,

958
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.039
there's there's definitely spiritual warfare going on, and we do

959
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:20.599
have to be aware of that and make sure that

960
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:22.400
that what side are you on?

961
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:23.000
You know?

962
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:26.480
And that's that's really one way one way to say.

963
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.239
Yeah, that's that's definitely. That's definitely where we're at.

964
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:33.599
And it's it's unfortunately, I think it's going to get

965
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:40.320
worse as I mean, as things get revealed, it's going

966
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:42.760
to get wild. But if you're on the right side,

967
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:45.760
you're okay, you know. But Adam, I just want to

968
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:51.320
say thank you for being open to sharing your story.

969
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:56.800
I knew that you had an incredible journey story to

970
00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:59.400
to share, and I'm so thankful that you were able.

971
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:00.760
To do that on the program.

972
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.280
I'm really appreciative of you doing that.

973
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:05.280
I think it is going to help a lot of people.

974
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.599
Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry I kind of delved into

975
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:14.199
the paranormal and the spiritual, but these things are very

976
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:17.440
important to note at this time in our society, in

977
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:21.000
the history of our world, you couldn't have found And

978
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.719
when I was eighteen, I remember I lived across the

979
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:26.480
street from my high school. My buddies to come over

980
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:30.039
for lunch, and on this particular day, we'd had our lunch,

981
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.760
we were walking back to high school to go to

982
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:39.199
our next class, and they were exploring religion and all

983
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.360
religions at that point. And so we're walking to my

984
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:47.239
school and they're talking about Ezekiel and the apocalypse and

985
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:51.119
the end of times, the rapture, and I was still

986
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:54.000
an atheist then, so I guess, you know, I hadn't

987
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.280
made the transition yet to becoming a believer. But I

988
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.159
was like, oh, come on, like that, that's garbage, you

989
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.519
know that none of that's real, Like the stuff you've

990
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.360
seen in the Terminator movies, that's not real, Like that

991
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.719
had just come out, that's never going to happen, never

992
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:09.639
in a million years. Well then come to find out

993
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:13.760
it's all real and it's all coming to pass, and

994
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:19.480
people don't know because the media hides a lot, you know,

995
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:21.760
they don't They don't want us to know what's going

996
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.960
on because then that creates fear, which creates chaos and instability,

997
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.960
and they don't they don't want that. They want to

998
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:34.519
keep everything on the down low. So but yeah, and

999
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.719
I can tell you that my belief systems just not

1000
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.400
from my own experiences, but from people I know that

1001
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:43.559
have had experiences. And so like I knew a guy

1002
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:48.000
that had had an NDE and he's sixty five, started

1003
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.800
his own company, retired, was a millionaire. Down to earth,

1004
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.960
one of the most down to earth logical people I've

1005
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.719
ever met, and he knew my history and writing and

1006
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:04.400
my use of psychology in my writing, and so he

1007
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.039
volunteered to me that he'd had this experience, and he's like,

1008
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.039
I go down the tunnel light. Jesus is waiting for

1009
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:12.400
me at the end, as are my loved ones who

1010
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.360
passed on. You know, I go through the life review,

1011
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.599
he said. He described the life review as starring in

1012
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:24.119
a movie about his life, like starring personally. So he

1013
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:28.079
basically was in every single moment that he ever lived

1014
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.519
in his life, not only from a first hand perspective,

1015
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:35.119
but a third person perspective. And he said that he

1016
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.199
felt everything that he felt in every moment and everything

1017
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:43.519
that he made others feel. And you're not judged by

1018
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.519
Jesus or God when you go through this, you judge yourself.

1019
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:51.079
And he said when he got to the end, he

1020
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:56.159
was told by Jesus, you're not down there for feigning wealth, power,

1021
01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:00.760
influence material things. You're there to love and be loved

1022
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:03.960
and to learn to enhance and grow your soul. That's it.

1023
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.960
The rest of that stuff, that's all fools gold that

1024
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.480
the devil uses. He uses that to get people to

1025
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:13.480
make mistakes. Like the biggest size he ever told humanity.

1026
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.840
And I'll stop at this because, like I said, I

1027
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:18.159
got a big mouth, but I got to keep that

1028
01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:23.960
fat geyster going. But anyway, you know, he's got the

1029
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.800
glasses check. Has he got the beard? Check? Is he

1030
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:29.000
balding on top? Check? Does he have a big mouth?

1031
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.119
Does he put people to sleep while he's talking that check? Yeah,

1032
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:36.400
that's me. But but you know he told me, you know,

1033
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:38.880
you know, he was told by Jesus. You know, you're

1034
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:41.039
there to only love and be loved and leave the

1035
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:42.480
world in a better place than it was when you

1036
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.840
found and learned the other stuff that's all Satan. That's

1037
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.760
how Satan gets people to make the mistakes they make.

1038
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.559
That's how he gets them in the hell. And so

1039
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:57.880
you know, it's it's a definite challenge, you know, to

1040
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.159
walk the right path in this day and because temptations everywhere,

1041
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:06.559
you know. But last thing I'll say, if that interests you,

1042
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:10.840
two things you might want to explore Father Dan ree Hill,

1043
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.360
who actually met the devil in person. And I'm not

1044
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.639
a religious person. I'm just very spiritual. But Father Rehill

1045
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.039
is the kind of priest that I find very approachable

1046
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.320
and he talks about his experiences of meeting the devil

1047
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.760
in person twice over and it's fascinating. Another film now,

1048
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:32.599
and I'm talking about that. Check out Nefarious, Nefarious according

1049
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:36.159
to Father Rehill, and he's an exorcist. He said, that's

1050
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:40.840
the most accurate film about exorcism and devil demon session

1051
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:45.440
that he's ever seen. The Farious very well made. Just

1052
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:49.079
like Sound of Freedom, No gore. It's more of a

1053
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:55.360
spiritual psychological thriller, but very powerful. But check out that,

1054
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.159
and then can I plug on our channel on here?

1055
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:02.480
Would that be just chasteful? A check out Touching the

1056
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:06.480
app Life is a great YouTube channel, as is softwaree Underbelly.

1057
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.119
If you want to get a look at reality and humanity,

1058
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:12.880
those are the two channels I would suggest, as well

1059
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.079
as Missing four one one. Adam.

1060
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.760
I think that's great that you've given us a lot

1061
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.760
to think about and to look into. I appreciate you

1062
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.880
coming on the show, and thank you for giving us

1063
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:27.599
a lot to think about and to look into. And yeah,

1064
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:31.760
keep me in the loop. If anything else happens down

1065
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.639
the road, you know we would love to hear about it.

1066
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:37.119
But thank you again, thank you, thank you for your

1067
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.079
time and being open minded and not interrupting me. Excellent.

1068
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:43.920
You're an excellent interviewer. No, I'm not kidding, Like, you

1069
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:46.800
watch these interviews and it's a great subject and you're like,

1070
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:52.360
I'm so fascinated by this, but then the interviewer keeps

1071
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:56.880
interjecting themselves, and so you're learning more from the interviewer

1072
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:58.480
than the subject. You do a great job.

1073
01:03:58.880 --> 01:03:59.480
I had to.

1074
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.760
Listen into the old ones. You'll hear a different person.

1075
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:04.920
But yeah, it took me a while to get there.

1076
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.320
So all right, man, Well, thank you so much for

1077
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.920
hanging out, and I do appreciate you sharing your story.

1078
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.239
It's my pleasure. You guys have a great channel. Love

1079
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.360
everything you do. Thank you for everything you do, and

1080
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:20.000
be blessed. Have a nice day you too. Thank care,

1081
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.960
see ya bye.

1082
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:26.599
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1083
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.840
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1084
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.639
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1085
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:36.519
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1086
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:39.800
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1087
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:43.239
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

1088
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:46.760
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI,

1089
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:50.559
a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon

1090
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.320
something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're

1091
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:57.000
a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard

1092
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.559
screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're

1093
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.320
in the logging industry on a remote oil field or

1094
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:07.679
a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen

1095
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.559
that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist,

1096
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.519
a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who

1097
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.880
has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're

1098
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:22.199
a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat

1099
01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:25.480
and you saw something that shook your faith, or if

1100
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.880
you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or anything with

1101
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:33.400
clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I

1102
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:38.440
want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You

1103
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.880
can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1104
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.760
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1105
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:50.599
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1106
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:51.880
We've got the mic.

1107
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:54.199
See you in the woods.

1108
01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:56.840
Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

1109
01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.760
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1110
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:02.880
world world is bigger and stranger than we think, and

1111
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:06.079
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1112
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:09.079
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1120
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.320
a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you,

1121
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:36.039
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1122
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:38.840
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1123
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1128
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1129
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:01.840
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1130
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:04.679
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1131
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:06.360
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