April 17, 2025
Something Was Watching Us! – 45 Years of Bigfoot in Michigan
What happens when two childhood friends spend decades returning to the same Michigan woods — and begin to realize they’re not the only ones out there?
In this intense and unforgettable episode, we sit down with Dean and Norm, lifelong outdoorsmen...
What happens when two childhood friends spend decades returning to the same Michigan woods — and begin to realize they’re not the only ones out there?
In this intense and unforgettable episode, we sit down with Dean and Norm, lifelong outdoorsmen from Northern Michigan who have been encountering strange activity in the Manistee National Forest for over 45 years. From their first teenage experiences of being followed through the woods to full-body sightings and hair-raising moments at their remote cabin, their stories are as raw as they are chilling.
You’ll hear about encounters in places like Mesick, Interlochen, Ludington, and the infamous Harlan Swamp — including rock throws, massive footprints, tree structures, and the terrifying moment something lifted their trailer in the middle of the night.
But more than just the evidence, this episode dives into what it feels like to be watched in the dark... to know you’re not alone... and to keep going back anyway.
This isn’t just about Bigfoot. It’s about belief, friendship, and the deep mysteries hiding in Michigan’s wild places.
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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's
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story isn't coming from a researcher or a cryptid investigator.
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It's coming from two lifelong friends who spent over forty
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five years hunting, fishing, and living deep in the woods
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of northern Michigan, from the back roads of Mesic to
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the shadows of the Manistee National Forest. Something has been
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following them, watching them, sometimes even showing itself. Tree knocks,
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rocks thrown with impossible accuracy, bases at cabin windows under
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a full moon, in a creature so massive one witness
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ran barefoot through the forest to escape it, leaving his
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gear behind. This isn't a campfire tale. It's not a
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story passed down through generations. These are the first hand
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experiences of Dean and Norm. And they say, Bigfoot let
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them see what it didn't want others to. This is
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the Michigan episode. So stay with us, right, Bigfoot Society,
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You've got the privilege of talking to Dean and Norm today.
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They are from out there in the Great State in Michigan,
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and they've got a lot of really interesting things to cover.
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Will be going from northern Michigan Maynistee National Forest down
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to southern Michigan. We're going to be going all over
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the place for this one. So Dean and Norm welcome
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to the show. Guys.
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How's it going, Yeah, pretty good?
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Thanks thanks for having us.
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Yeah, absolutely so, guys, I know that you've got we've
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got a lot of ground to cover with this one.
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So I'm going to go ahead and uh a lot.
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Feel free to uh you know, start sharing from here,
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but if possible, you know, we want to make sure
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that we're not talking over each other as well, So
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I'll let you go ahead and take it from here. Guys.
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All right, I'll go first.
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I'll start from when.
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I'll save the best ones for last, because but they're
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all pretty good. First time I started having anything happened
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I was fourteen years old. I used to ride dirt bikes,
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and Norman and I grew up together, and uh, you know,
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we're both like in you know, early sixties, not early,
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but mid you know, like sixty five. So when I
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was younger, I used to drive over to his house
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on my dirt bike and I'd have to go through
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the woods and it was a really fan trail, but
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I'd swear something was running behind me.
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I could hear it, like real heavy thudding. And back then,
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I didn't have.
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A clue what a big foot was, or you know,
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I just knew something was out there. I thought maybe
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somebody's horse or somebody was riding a horse behind me,
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or didn't have any ideas. So a little while later,
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you know, we saw the Patterson Gimblin film, and I'm like,
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you know that that kind of makes sense.
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I never in a million years never thought i'd you know,
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see one.
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And so Norman, I, you know, later on we started
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hunting together. He had a cabin up here up north
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and uh Interlocking, and we'd go there almost every weekend,
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you know, when we got to where we could and
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we come up there, and if we weren't hunting, we
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were fishing, you know, stream Brookie fishing, and we started
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hearing all this noise and stuff. We were kind of
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aware of what a bigfoot was then, but we didn't
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relate the noises we were hearing the bigfoot. He kept
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telling me that it was a porcupine screaming, and we
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thought guys were out in the woods chopping wood.
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And I'm looking at Norman, I told him.
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I goes, it's going to take that guy forever to
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chop that wood, because you know, you can only hear
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it hit once in a while, which was them banging
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on trees. And I have my own conclusions about that
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after dealing with, you know, with bigfoots for all those years,
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when they bang on trees, that's a warning. You know,
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you see these guys on these bigfoot programs, first thing
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need to do is go up bang on trees and
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start that infernal yelling, and all that is just you know,
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they might get it once. That's a morning that's telling,
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telling the other bigfoots in the area that there's humans
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in the wood, and you won't get any responses after
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that they get might you might hear them bang on
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a tree once and after.
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That they are gone.
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And if the bigfoot less you see him, it's because
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he wants you to see him, because you're not seeing
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the other one behind you, are on the side of you,
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sneaking up on you. If you want to see bigfoots,
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don't look for him. You'll never find them. If you're
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gonna look for him, you sit there by campfire. Almost
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every time we've had experiences when we've been sitting quiet.
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Don't go in there making any noise, all that infernal
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yelling and banging on trees. You're not gonna do anything
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but scare them out of there. And if you want
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to keep them away from your house, if you're having
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a problem, put up trail cameras. They smell the batteries.
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And I told this to rout Us on a typical
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bigfoots O that you watch on TV.
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Anyways, I told him they smell the batteries.
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They can see infra red and a lot of people
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in there putting trail camera up. They don't even think
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about the human sentence on there on the camera. These
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things can smell. If you want us to get a
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picture on a trail camp, you need to put it
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on the ground facing up or high up in a
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tree facing down, because they've we've got a video of
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one we go. We got his arm because he was
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aware the camera was there and he would not he
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wouldn't show himself to that anyway.
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Getting getting from there, I came.
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Up here with my ex wife and we were by
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the window in the cabin. There was a you know,
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they have several bedrooms in there, and we were buy
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one and the windows right over our head, and they, yeah,
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a big window, and it was full moon that night,
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and all of.
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A sudden it got really dark, I mean real dark.
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I couldn't see anything out of the window, Like what
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are you talking about? Three feet away from my face,
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and all of a sudden it bent down and looked
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in the window. And I'm telling you that face. No
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one's gonna tell me that these things have any human because.
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They're not human at all.
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They're a great ape period. The great apes have twenty
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four chromosomes.
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They had.
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Two sets. You know, you have two sets of chromosomes.
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Human beings have twenty three, and they have two that
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are fused. But I'm not a Darwinism I'm a creationalist.
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And they are just totally different. And the people that
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say they're seeing dog men, I believe they're mistaken. I
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believe that they got them confused with something that's called dinopithecus,
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which like gigantapithecus. The dinopithecus is like the bad moon version.
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And I've noticed that just years doing a bunch of
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different research that some bigfoots have actually the thumb that
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comes out like a gorilla on the foot. Some of
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them have tails. Some of them don't. They can exhibit
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all the signs of the other great apes, you know,
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because I'm into the scientific end of it.
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They don't have.
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Any magical powers. These things move so fast, you know,
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and they're always underestimating to weight. You're talking one twelve hundred,
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you know, some of them twelve hundred pounds.
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You know.
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Yeah, sure there's younger ones and they don't weigh as much,
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but their weights are always way off.
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You know.
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You get something that's seven eight feet tall, it's going
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to be in anywhere from eight hundred to maybe a
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little over one thousand pounds, but it's not going to
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be under that depending out how tall it is. Anyways,
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that when that bigfoot looked in the window, I didn't
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there wake up my wife because if that would have
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happened and we went home, I mean she would have
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want home, want to go home immediately. Guarantee the car
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would even point north again after that. So that, Yeah,
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and through the years, I've had a lot of different
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experiences at the cabin, and like I said, most of
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the time is when you're sitting by the fire or
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you're playing cards in the cabin, but you're not making
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any no. So we've had I'm telling you we've had deniers.
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I mean people used to laugh and Norm and I
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about our stories. We tell you know, oh you guys
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in your big foots, you know, and you know you
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can't convince these people. And we've had several people that
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have been up here and been to the cabin that
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will not come back.
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We've invited different.
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Groups to you know, online, to come up and they're
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welcome to bring their analytical equipment with them, and they
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just won't. They won't do it. They won't come back.
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You know.
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So you want to if you want to find a
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big foot, you here, I'm going to do it like
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any of these TV shows. I guarantee you won't. You're
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not gonna find. They don't want you to be they
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don't want to be seen. You're not gonna see them.
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And if if you see one, it's because they allowed it.
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And they can hunt, dounce, and they drop so fast
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on to the ground.
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They are a grade ape.
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They're not human in any way, shape or form. I
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think a lot a lot of it is mistaken identity.
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To get a lot of these guys that came back
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from Vietnam and they've gotten into the woods and you know,
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people that see these guys, oh yeah, I was a human.
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Well I think it actually was a human that they've seen,
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you know, yeah, and ghillie suits.
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And just different things like that. But they don't look
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human at all.
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I mean, if you want to the ones that I've
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always seen, they look exactly like gorillas in the face.
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Some are a little bit different. Some you know, they
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have they're just like people. They have different facial structures
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from specimen to specimen, you know, they're all they're all different,
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different coats and for there, I was thinking, actually, like
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the snowshoetr hair, we were thinking that they might turn
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white in the wintertime.
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We're not sure.
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But see, because you've had colored phases that all these
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people describe, you you know, blonde, white, brown, red, black,
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all different kinds, you know, and a lot a lot
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of the ones that come up the tracks, a lot
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of the ones that only have three toes, that's from inbreeding.
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You know, they don't have a large population when that happens,
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because that's a genetic defect caused by inbreeding.
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That or you know, I mean, if you live out.
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Doors all your life, I mean a lot of things
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can happen. You know, they could easily lose the toe here,
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you know, break a foot there, you know. So so
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all the bigfoot tracks, you know, we've had a lot
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of different experiences, and going into Cabin Road one day
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we saw one going across the creek and it was
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so fast it looked like a black blur. And it's
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just amazing speed these things can generate.
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And I believe the reason these.
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People think that they just disappear through a porthole is
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because they can drop down to the ground like and
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be gone in seconds. And you know, you're you know,
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the army crawl away really fast, real fast. Most of
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the time if you're in the woods that you do
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see one, you know it'll be on the ground.
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It'll be lower to the ground.
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They don't stand up a lot when people are around them.
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They don't stand up.
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They're always hiding and they get low. You know, most
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people's mistake they're making as they're looking straight ahead or
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trying to look up. Another thing people don't do is
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they don't look up into the trees. These things climb
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like you wouldn't believe, and they go from tree.
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To tree like quick like lightning. It's amazing.
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How something that weighs that much to move that fast
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through the trees. It's insane. And the smaller ones, they're
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they're frightening in a tree.
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You don't even believe. I mean, you know, we've seen that.
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I'll let Norm tell you about you know all that,
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but I'll tell you about one of them that came
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up to the cabin hunting, and he was a real skeptic.
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You know, if we've even said big before, he'd start laughing,
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you know. And the thing about it is the people
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that live up here, the natives, Like we live really
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close to the town called Mesic, and you can tell
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the natives from the people that are the Downstaters, because
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