Aug. 22, 2024

Standoff on the Hill: An Oakridge, Oregon Encounter

In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, Jay recounts his unsettling Bigfoot encounter while gold prospecting with friends near Oakridge, Oregon, in the dense woods of the Willamette National Forest in March 2016. From embarking on a journey to...

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In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, Jay recounts his unsettling Bigfoot encounter while gold prospecting with friends near Oakridge, Oregon, in the dense woods of the Willamette National Forest in March 2016. From embarking on a journey to find a lost gold mine to a day filled with an eerie sense of being watched, the story takes a chilling turn as Jay makes a Bigfoot call and is confronted by a massive, muscular creature just 30 feet away. With a detailed description of the creature's appearance and movements, Jay relives the heart-pounding moment and his desperate attempts to stay safe. This episode explores the reality of Bigfoot sightings, challenging skeptics, and delving into the fear and wonder of encountering such a creature in the wild.

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Greetings from the north Woods of Wisconsin. This is Chad

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slash the Big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show, all right, Big for Society. We got

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the privilege of talking to Jay today. I met Jay

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at my booth in Sasquatch Summerfest out there in Oakridge

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or again over this last summer of twenty twenty four

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and we had quite a conversation there, but it was

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a little loud, so we decided, hey, let's set up

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a time for later on after the festival, so we

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can really dig into things. And Jay's also from Douglas

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County and Jaye, it's a pleasure to talk to you again.

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Well, it's nice to talk to you too. Well. As

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you just said, I'm Jay, I'm from Douglas County and

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my sighting happened in Lane County in the Willamette National

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Forest March tenth, twenty sixteen. And how it all came

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to be a little background is a good portion of

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my life. I've been really interested in Oregon's history of

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the gold Rush, and I'm kind of an avid prospector.

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I'm not a miner. I haven't found enough to mine,

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but I like to go out there and look for it.

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And one day I was reading about the gold Rush

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like I like to do, and I come across this

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story goes back to about eighteen sixty three where a

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couple of what we call it fur traders or fur trappers,

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they had found some gold and began mining it. And

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without getting into all the details of that story, it

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became one of the state's famous lost gold mines, and

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as far as I'm aware, nobody has found it again,

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and nobody's making that claim So as I'm reading this story,

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I'm picking out the details that's included in this story,

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and I'm getting a feel of it and got a

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pretty good idea, like I'm sure every prospector does, of

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where this thing might be at, this lost gold mine.

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So I get a hold of my buddy Allen, he's

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my prospecting partner, and I talked to him about it,

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and I say, hey, I think I have a good lead,

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and we're always looking for new places to prospect and

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pan for golden things. And I says, how about we

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take a drive up there, which would be above Oak Ridge, Oregon,

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and do some panning for the day. I got a

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site picked out, a spot picked out on the map

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that I'd like to go, you know, pan and see

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if we can find some color. Maybe there's something behind

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this story. Maybe we'll be the ones to you know,

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find the lost gold mine. So he said, yeah, that

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sounded good, and that he'd get ahold of this well

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our friend Robert and see if he can come along.

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And Alan said he also had a neighbor his name

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was Matt, that liked to do gold prospecting too, and

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see if Matt was available, so it would be the

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four of us, and I said, okay, good and minutes

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later Alan calls me back and tells me, yeah, everything's

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good to go. Well, head up there. I think it

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was like on a Sunday if I remember right. And

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so we took two vehicles, loaded them down with our

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prospecting equipment, you know, sluice boxes and hand tools so

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that we could you know, scrape out the gold from

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any cracks and crevices in the bedrock. And we drove.

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It took about a good hour and a half maybe

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maybe even an hour and forty minutes from where we

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lived to get there. Didn't have a problem finding there

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because like I said, I had it already marked on

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the map right where to go. And we pull in.

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It's in the morning, it's probably about nine thirty, almost

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ten o'clockish. And then, like I said, it's Oregon. So

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I mean, these the woods in this state is you

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can't even fathom it. It's just nothing but fur trees

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and fir trees and miles miles and miles. As much

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as some may say that we've logged off every tree,

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that's a complete joke. So we pull in up on

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this gravel road and we park off the side of

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the road there, and we get out and we're standing

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there talking about how we're going to make our way

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down into the creek that we want to be down

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in their gold prospect and we're grabbing up our hand

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tools and everything. And well, let me go back just

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a minute. As we're driving to the location, I have

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Alan that's driving his vehicle, and I'm driving my vehicle,

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and as my passengers, I have Robert and I have Matt.

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Now I've never really met Matt before. He was the

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first day I've ever met him. But I figured, you know,

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one prospector to another, let's have a good time. So

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as we're driving up there, we're all, you know, talking

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and conversating about gold prospecting, and and one thing leads

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to another and we all start talking about Bigfoot. And

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I find out immediately in conversation that Matt, this new

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guy I don't know, he's obviously an unbeliever, which is fine,

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everybody has their opinion about it. But he is adamant

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how it's complete bull crap and Bigfoot doesn't exist, and

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he's got all the typical reasonings why that he doesn't believe.

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And I'm listening to him, and I'm trying to give

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him some you know, rebettal on it. Why maybe it

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is possible, and it is out there, and you know

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not everybody's lying when they say they've seen this thing.

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How could it be? But he keeps going on how

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he doesn't believe, and I just get quiet about it,

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and I just figured, okay, whatever, and just let it go.

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So we find the spot, We park off the road,

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we get out of our vehicles. We're grabbing up our

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prospecting tools and things and trying to find a way

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that we're going to enter the brush and the trees

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and everything and work our way down the bank to

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get to the creek. And I see a game trail

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that I think we can use, and so I tell

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everybody right here looks like a good spot to get

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down in there. And then, for whatever reason, I happened

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to ask everybody anybody know any good bigfoot calls? We've

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all seen finding Bigfoot show and how they do their

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hoops and their haulers trying to call these things in.

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And everybody kind of chuckled about it a little bit,

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and they said no, they didn't know any bigfoot calls.

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And I said, well, I do and they said, oh, well,

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let's hear it. You know, they're all kind of laughing

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about it. It was kind of a you know, funny little moment,

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so I thought, so I took a moment and went

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ahead and made this big, long, drawn out bigfoot call.

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And when I did it, I really went for it.

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I was trying to be you know, not cheap about

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doing this big foot call. And everybody was impressed, you know,

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they said, wow, that was really good. You know. Anyway,

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we didn't put much past it. We start working our

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way down the bank and it's probably about one hundred

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yards maybe a little more to get down into this creek.

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And we're following this game trail. Could have been an

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elk trail or deer trail, it's just a game trail.

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We're falling it down through there. And we get all

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the way down to the creek and we start setting

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up our slice boxes and getting out our hand tools

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and looking for different spots that we each want to

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prospect for gold for and we start in and we

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start digging and prospecting and doing our thing and bs

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and then having a good time. And once in a

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while I get kind of the feeling like we were

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being watched, because every once in a while I would

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look up from what I was doing and kind of

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glance up the hillside from where we came to get

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down in there, whereas I couldn't see anything, but you

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just get that feeling like maybe you're being watched, but

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you pass it off because you know, well, you're the

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only people up there in that area. It's pretty remote.

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There's no other vehicle traffic on the rock dirty roads,

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no other cars parked up in there. It's just us.

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So I go back to work and everybody else is

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doing their work, and time's going by, and we're having

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a good time, and it gets to be about, oh,

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I don't know, maybe about three o'clock, and I kind

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of tell everybody or mention to everybody that, you know,

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maybe it's a good time to do it clean up

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and see if we got anything today, because we're going

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to need to start packing up our gold equipment and

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we need to get it up out of here because

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at that time it's spring, and you know, it still

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gets dark a little earlier, and especially it gets dark

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in a heavily timbered forest and lots of old gross

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So you have a three story canopies. It really gets

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dark quick. Everybody agrees. And when we start breaking down

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our gold equipment and doing our cleanup out of our

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sluice boxes and panning out the concentrates, and didn't find

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any gold unfortunately, which is, you know, nothing new in

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my little world. It seems like maybe I just am

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not good at it. But anyway, we start collecting up

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all of our tools, and I'm loading up two five

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gallon buckets and I have tools, and I'm grabbing up

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my backpack and everything. And then I grab one of

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the sluice boxes that we were using, and I tell everybody, well,

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I'm going to make a trip up, and everybody says okay,

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And so I begin the journey, you know, up the

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side of the hill to get back up to the

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vehicles at the first load of equipment, and I make

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it all the way back up to the truck, and

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I put the tools and things in the back of

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the truck and turn around and start heading down through

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the brush and the woods and back down to the

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creek to get another, you know, another load of equipment

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and tools because it's going to take us, you know,

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a couple of trips anyway, and I start down the

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hill and I probably get I don't know, like I said,

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fifty yards, sixty yards something like that. Halfway down and

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I see, you know, my friends Allen and Robert, you know,

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they're coming up the hill with a load of tools.

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And I happen to tell them, I go, well, you

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guys are about halfway there. Just keep on going where

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you're going, and you know, the the truck and the

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car will be up there at the top. And they

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said okay, And I told them I'm going to go

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back down to the creek and grab up some more

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stuff and help Matt grab up some more stuff. And

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so we passed each other and away they went up

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the hill and the way I went down the hill

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and I got back down to the creek and there's

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Matt and I start grabbing up those five gallon buckets.

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They're loaded down with tools to make a second trip.

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Big for a SOCIETYHO will be right back after these messages.

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And Matt's got his stuff in his hand, and we

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start coming across the flat portion. There's a flat portion

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from the creek before you hit the bank and the hillside.

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And so Matt is right next to me or right

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behind me, and we're hauling our equipment and tools, and

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then we get to the hillside and at that point,

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that's when it starts getting steep as it climbs up

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to the vehicles. And so I start up the embankment

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and I probably make it up between fifty to sixty

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feet somewhere in that range. And like I said, it's

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hard going up through there, especially when you're carrying thirty

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forty pounds of stuff on you, and anyway, I had

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to stop to take a breather, let the heart rate

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come down. And when I'm doing so, I'm trying to

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set down the five gallon buckets and get them balanced

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to where they're not going to fall and roll back

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downhill behind me so I don't have to pick up

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all those tools and put them back in buckets. And

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I know sooner we got these buckets balanced where they

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weren't going to fall and roll, and I glanced up

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ahead of me, like you do when you're trying to

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keep your you're bearing on where you're going up through there,

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and you just kind of glance up ahead, and that's

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exactly when it happened. I locked eyes with one of

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these things, and it was no more than about thirty

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feet in front of me, and it was squatted down,

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squatted down, just like a baseball catcher, and I had

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its its knees were flailed out to the side, and

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its hands were tween its knees, touching the ground, and

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it was looking right at me with a real wide eyed,

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shocked expression on its face. And that was the only

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time I've seen this thing have any kind of whites

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to its eyes. And I'm sure I had the same expression,

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because I was pretty shocked too. And then I started

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feeling my heart rate pump and the adrenaline dump, and

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this thing starts swaying side to side in that squatted position,

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and I'm starting to panic because I've seen chimpanzees and

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what not do that swaying motion, and sometimes this one

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they're excited, sometimes when they're angry. You know, who knows,

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and how do you determine what that means? But it

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made me real nervous, swaying side by side like that,

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And that's when I turned my head and my shoulders

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downhill towards the right to look down back at Matt

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because he's about fifty sixty feet below me on the

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flat still, and I yell at him. I says, Matt,

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I said, get up here next to me. I says,

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I am looking at a bigfoot right now. And he

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says what And I says, yeah, I says, I'm looking

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at a bigfoot right now. Get up here next to me.

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And Matt, you know, he's the unbeliever, and so he's

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trying to pass me off or whatever he's trying to do.

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He says, oh, oh, that's cool, man. Yeah, I've got

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to go back to the creek and get more equipment

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and bring it to the base of this hill. He says,

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just be cool with it, man, Just be cool with it, man.

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And he starts, he turns around and starts walking back

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towards the creek. And so now I'm I'm yelling at him. No, wait,

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did you not hear what I said? And I can

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notice out of the corner of my eye because I'm

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trying to keep an eye on this thing while I'm

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trying to look back downhill at Matt, and I can

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see out of the corner of my eye, but this thing,

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from a squatted position is slowly standing up to a

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full upright position. And when I see that movement out

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of the corner of my eye. I turned my shoulders

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and head and body back towards this thing, and it

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squats down, almost squats down so fast it was like

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it was in free fall. And it's back in this

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squad of position. And then I try to turn my

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shoulders and my head back downhill to yell at Matt.

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Did you not hear me? I says, I'm looking at

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a bigfoot right now, get up here, get over here,

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and he's yelling back at me it's cool, I'll be

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right back. Just be chill with it. And I'm thinking,

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man point an idiot, and I'm losing sight of Matt,

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because you know, he's getting through the brush and he's

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going back towards the creek. And then all of a sudden,

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Matt's gone, and I noticed out of the corner of

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my eye this thing is starting to stand up again,

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and so I turned back towards it and face it,

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and it squats back down. Then it slowly stands up

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and squats back down. And then finally I think it realized

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that now I see you, I mean, for crying out loud,

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You're just thirty feet right there in front of me.

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And there was no real underbrush in that spot for

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it to hide in. It was pretty open right there,

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and the sun was coming down good through the trees

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right there, and so I had full sunlight on it.

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And so it slowly stood all the way back up,

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and it took about a step and a half to

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my right where it would be side hitling, and it

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stopped and it stood there and it squared up to me,

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shoulder to shoulder, and we started having a starring contest

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at that moment, and my heart rate is going, the

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adrelline's going, and it's standing there looking at me, and

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I'm looking at it, and the only thing moving on

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this thing is its eyes. We blink every once in

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a while, but I have this real stoic expression on

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its face, almost like a good poker face. You couldn't

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quite get a read on it. And then it gave

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me the impression like, yep, here we are. What are

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we going to do about it? Because it's between where

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I've got to go to get back to the truck,

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and I don't dare feel like I should be moving

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as close as it is to me. And so I'm

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looking it over, and I'm looking it over and taking

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in the details of this thing, and I start locking

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eyes with it again, and I must have made too

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long of eye contact because it flipped its lips back

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and it showed me its teeth, almost like a dog

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does when it starls at you. And I didn't know

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how to interpret it other than it wasn't happy with

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me making eye contact. So I broke eye contact, and

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I turned my shoulders a little bit away from it,

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so I wasn't squared up with it, and I kind

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of leaned forward and hunched my back so that I

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would look a little bit more submissive and my posture.

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But I'm still looking at it out of the corner

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of my eyes, and I'm looking at it from its

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feet up its shins and thighs and torso. And then

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eventually I find myself looking at it back in the eyes,

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and it didn't like that. It showed me its teeth again,

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so I look away, turn my body away, hunch over

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a little bit, and i'd begin to process over. And

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as this is going on, you know, it's like a

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high stressful car accident. You know, time slows down, your

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brain works quickly, and all I could think about is,

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you know, Matt's down at the creek. I can't see him.

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Allan and Robert are up there at the vehicles. It's

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me and this thing. Is this how it ends for me?

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Am I going to become just another missing person? You know?

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Is this how this is going to happen? Because my

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friends are going to wonder where the heck did Jay go?

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You know, he was just right here. I'm thinking about

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my friends and my family what they would think, and well,

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all the time I got done thinking about all of

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those things, I'm guessing it's about three minutes that went by.

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It was quite a while that I'm standing here looking

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at this thing. But it's not moving and it's not growling.

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But if I make too long an eye contact, it

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shows me its teeth. So it eventually it turns around

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and starts walking up ahead of me, and I'm a

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little relieved at least it's moving off and away from me,

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And now I can see its complete backside, very very well,

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a lot of detail in it, and it's walking up

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ahead of me, and it's using the same game trail

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as we were using to get in and out of there,

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so it's basically kind of eating me out, like it's

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heading back towards the truck in the car, and as

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it's walking up ahead of me, you know, the distance

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is increasing now from like thirty feet to fifty feet

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to sixty feet seventy feet. It's getting closer to be

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about one hundred feet up there ahead of me, maybe

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even one hundred and fifty. And I'm now thinking to

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myself that, you know, any moment, I'm going to lose

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sight of this thing, because the underbrush was getting a

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lot taller in that area, it was getting a lot

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shadier in that area, and darker in that area. The

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tree canopy was a little thicker, it wasn't letting in

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all the sunlight through, and I thought, holy crap. If

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I lose sight of this thing, and that's where I

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basically got to go to get back to the vehicles,

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I could be setting myself up for an ambush situation.

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And I was not thrilled about that. So I yelled

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at it. What else am I supposed to do? I

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yelled at it, hey, and it was still walking. It's

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like it didn't even hear me. And now I'm really

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panicking because the window of time of losing sight of

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this thing is getting closer, and so I yelled at

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it in a more commanding voice. I mean, almost like

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you get from a drill instructor in the Marine Corps.

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I yelled very powerfully, hey, and the thing stopped, stopped

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dead in its tracks, and it turned all the way around,

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and it starts downhill towards me, and I am panicking

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because now I'm thinking, oh, crap, what did I do,

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you idiot? You know, in one regard, I had it made,

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but in another regard, I didn't want to be ambushed

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because that's where I had to go, and I didn't

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want to take any alternate routes to get back up

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to the vehicles. So it takes anywhere from four or

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five maybe six steps back down hill towards me, and

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thankfully it stopped. So now I'm guessing we're about seventy

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five maybe eighty feet away from each other, and we're

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having another stare down. It's looking at me, and I'm

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looking at it, and I don't notice it showed me

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its teeth, but we're definitely looking at each other, and

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I'm panicking because I'm thinking, crap, where is Alan and Robert?

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Where is Matt? Start yelling at this thing? I start yelling,

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you gotta go get out of here. At the same

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time i'm yelling this, I'm using my right arm and

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my pointer finger to swing out and point off to

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my right. Get out of here. Go like you try

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to be aggressive with a bear or a cougar, you know,

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trying to intimidate or scare the animal. But it wasn't moving.

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I didn't care what I was saying or what I

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was doing. It was just standing there with that stoic

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expressionless face. And I'm panicking and I'm thinking, oh crap.

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And I look back behind me and Matt's not anywhere.

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He's not coming, and I'm thinking what's taking him so long?

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And I'm thinking, where's Robert and Allen because they should

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be coming downhill to help Matt and I get some

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more equipment out of here. So I started yelling for

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Robert and Allen. I'd yell Robert and the things just

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standing there looking at me, and then I'd yell Alan

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and they weren't coming. And I'm watching this thing and

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then I yell again Robert and then Alan. Robert and

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Allen ain't coming, and I'm thinking.

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Crap, big for society, who will be right back after

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these messages?

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Because if they were coming down to help matten me.

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We'd have this thing sandwiched in between us on the hillside,

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and they'd see this thing from the top down as

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I'm looking at this thing from the top up, and

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they're not coming, and I'm panicking. Finally, and I'm guessing

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another two three minutes go by. This thing starts moving

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off to my right, almost as it was taking my direction,

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you know, just a few minutes before, as I was

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swinging my arm and pointing off to my right, it

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starts sidehiling off to my right, which would be its left.

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And I'm watching it starting a side hill away from me,

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off to the right, and it makes it about one

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hundred feet off to my right, maybe one hundred and

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twenty feet off to my right. And just like before,

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the underbrush in that area over there was getting a

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lot taller and thicker. The canopy was denser, so there

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was less sunlight in there. There was more shadows and

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shades in there, and I eventually lost sight of this thing,

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and I thought, well, that's fine by me, because I've

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got to make the bee line and go straight to

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get back up to the trucks. And it's off over

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there to my right somewhere. That's fine. So I grabbed

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each of those two five gallon buckets, and I tell

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you what, I had all the energy that I needed

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and all the adrenaline I needed to get all the

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way up through the brush in that hill and get

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up there to the trucks. And as soon as I

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broke through the brush and hit the rock road, there

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was Alan and Robert standing right there by the vehicles,

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lost in conversation, just bs and a way about whatever

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it was they were talking about. And I am coming unglued.

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I am starting to yell at them and talk a

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million miles an hour to which is confusing to them

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because they're trying to understand what I'm saying. And I'm

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throwing the five gallon buckets of tools in the back

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of the vehicle, and then I'm throwing off my backpack

451
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:26.839
that I had on, and I'm trying to unzip the backpack,

452
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:32.119
which was difficult to do because I had some chest

453
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.480
waiters I was wearing down in the creek when I

454
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:39.400
was prospecting, and chest waiters are what fishermen took typically

455
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.519
wear to stay dry from the water. They like to

456
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.200
stand in the water and do they're fishing. They use

457
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.720
these chest waiters and I had a pair of those,

458
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.920
and I had them rolled up like a sleeping bag,

459
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.920
really really tightly, and it took all that I could

460
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.119
do to get those squeezed inside that backpack and get

461
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:04.880
the zipper closed to where the zipper wasn't busting and breaking.

462
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.760
So I'm yelling and screaming at Allan and Robert. While

463
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.079
I'm fighting with the zipper to open up my backpack.

464
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.400
I'm grabbing a hold of my neoprene chest waiters and

465
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.000
I'm trying to pull them out of that backpack because

466
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:27.880
they're tightly squeezed in there. And at the bottom of

467
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:32.719
my backpack I have a forty caliber pistol and I

468
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.119
retrieved that pistol and immediately put around into the chamber.

469
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.159
Now that got Robert and Allen's attention. They're like, whoa,

470
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:47.480
what is going on? And all I can say is

471
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.480
there's a freaking bigfoot. I was just looking at a bigfoot.

472
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:56.119
We have got to get out of here. And I'm

473
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.079
using the keys to open up the truck because in

474
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.000
the console of the truck I left my flip phone.

475
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.599
There was a flip phone back then that I had

476
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.639
and I'm putting this phone on camera mode and I

477
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.880
have my pistol on my other hand, and I says,

478
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:17.119
you guys don't understand. While you're up here Jack and

479
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.360
your jaws, I was down there, halfway on the bank,

480
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:25.960
having a stare off with this bigfoot. I ain't kidding you.

481
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:31.440
I'm serious as a heart attack. And they said, really

482
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.960
what And you can see that they have wide eyed

483
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:40.480
expressions because now they're listening to me, and I'm telling

484
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.599
Allen and Robert. Yeah, and Matt's.

485
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:54.679
Jay there.

486
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.360
I'm sorry. The person you were trying to reach has

487
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.519
a voicemail box that has not been set up yet.

488
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:54.960
Please try.

489
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:43.559
Hello, Hey, Jay.

490
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.960
I think we that was weird, man. We got to

491
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:51.599
disconnect there somehow. Sometimes during these interviews, weird tech stuff happens.

492
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:59.559
But okay, sorry about that. Whatever happened, there's a right

493
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.679
I think the last I don't know either. Yeah, you

494
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.599
would probably not be surprised though. The last thing I

495
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.360
heard was I ain't kidya. I'm as serious as a

496
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:11.000
heart attack.

497
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:26.480
Okay, Okay, Yeah, I was talking to Alan Robert and

498
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.480
I told him I said, I'm as serious as a

499
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.159
heart attack, I says Matt is still down there at

500
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.800
the creek. We got to get down there and get

501
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.760
the equipment, and we got to get Matt out of here.

502
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.159
We got to go. And Robert and Allen they both agreed.

503
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:52.079
So we start back down through the brush and down

504
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:56.159
the hillside, and we're kind of taking our time, and

505
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.599
we're really looking, all three of us, because we don't

506
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.920
want to get ambushed by this thing. We don't know

507
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:05.159
if it has bad intentions or good intentions or neutral intentions,

508
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.559
we don't know. We don't see it. As we get

509
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.119
back down to the creek and we find Matt. There's

510
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.239
Matt struggling to get more equipment, and so we all

511
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.679
three pitch in and grab the equipment and we tell

512
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.480
Matt we got to get out of here. And I'm

513
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.960
telling Matt, yeah, we have a big foot here, and

514
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.679
I just got down looking at this thing. We got

515
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.679
to go. I don't think we should be around. And

516
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.280
Matt's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I know you said that.

517
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:40.599
Yeah whatever, you know, you and your bigfoot stuff. And

518
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.599
I says, Matt, I ain't got time to argue with

519
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.039
you here. You know, there are a lot of animals

520
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.320
that are out here. You know that you never see

521
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.159
when you go out there, but you know they are,

522
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.559
I says, and this is one of them. I said,

523
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.000
I don't care if you believe or not. We've got

524
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:04.760
to go. The day is over. And so all four

525
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:09.000
of us, with equipment in hand, start working our way

526
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.920
back up the hillside towards the vehicles, and my head

527
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:18.079
is on a swivel. I am hyper aware and vigilant

528
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.320
of everything around me, I because now I'm looking around

529
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.239
every tree. I'm looking behind every stump, every log that's

530
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:32.519
laying on the ground, every shadow you know that could

531
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.760
be one. And we all four make it back up

532
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.960
to the vehicles, no problem, no other sightings, no nothing,

533
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.239
and we put the h the rest of the equipment

534
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.119
in the vehicles, get in our vehicles, turn around and

535
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.840
drive back down off the rock road down to the

536
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.960
main road to get out of the area. And the

537
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:04.440
whole drive back. I just cannot stop talking about the experience,

538
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.559
you know, telling everybody about it in the situation, and

539
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.880
how I was panicking because well, Matt wasn't coming up

540
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.159
from the creek to greet me, and Robert and Allen

541
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:20.800
weren't coming down the hill to greet me, and why

542
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.760
did it take everybody so long, and how I could

543
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:27.079
have just became missing, and you guys would have been

544
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:31.480
no wiser to what had happened to me. And I

545
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.880
could just picture, you know, the sheriffs and search and rest.

546
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:39.519
You're getting involved, and I kind of scolding them. But

547
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.639
it wasn't their fault, you know, it was just the

548
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:50.840
way the situation played out. And this thing was one

549
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:55.480
of the most terrifying things I think I've ever seen

550
00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:02.239
in my life. I mean, when monsters become real, it

551
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.960
changes the paradigm in your life. I mean, it is

552
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:10.800
one thing to believe that these things are out there.

553
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.079
It's a completely other thing. Do you have it thrown

554
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:20.440
in your face looking at one? And the one that

555
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:28.320
I seen was, man, this is just so typical. I

556
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.840
don't know how to describe it in any other way

557
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.719
that other people have done in the past. But when

558
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:42.079
this thing was squatted down and we locked eyes and

559
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:46.360
then it eventually stood up, and I'm looking at this thing,

560
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:55.679
it was salt and pepper colored. I mean, it wasn't brown,

561
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.960
it wasn't red, it wasn't black. It was salt and pepper.

562
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.079
Like an aging man and gets that salt and pepper

563
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:10.400
that gray and white hair's kind of fifty to fifty mix,

564
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:13.480
where you know your base coat is kind of a

565
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:21.599
gray color. People have used the term navy ship gray. Yeah,

566
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.719
it was like a navy ship gray, but it had

567
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.960
white highlights coming through it in a fifty to fifty mix.

568
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.119
And even though it was a gray and a white color,

569
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:41.840
it did not look like it was aging. I mean,

570
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.559
this thing looked like it was at the prime of

571
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:52.039
its life. It was very, very muscular, every bit of

572
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.159
eight feet tall. It could have been eight and a

573
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:59.599
half feet tall, but it was three to three and

574
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.800
a half feet, maybe even four feet white at the shoulders,

575
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:08.760
and the shoulders were like bowling balls. The muscularity on

576
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:16.199
this animal, this creature, whatever you want to call it,

577
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:21.840
it reminded you of a professional bodybuilder. This thing was

578
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:31.760
muscular yet lean, and I just couldn't stop staring at it.

579
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:36.239
I mean, the shoulders, the biceps, the triceps, the forearms

580
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:41.960
on this thing, you know, the chest, you know, the

581
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.440
the six pack abs that have had the quads, calves,

582
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.400
everything was just perfect. I mean, Ronnie Coleman would have

583
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.960
been envious of this thing, especially when it turned around

584
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:57.800
and walked up ahead of me, and I could see

585
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:04.880
the backside. It had that perfect upside down triangular, triangular

586
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.920
or a V shaped to it from the shoulders to

587
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:15.119
the waist. Its buttocks was even muscular, and the hair

588
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:21.880
on it was probably three to four inches. It was very,

589
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.800
very well groomed. I mean it looked like you took

590
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.119
it to the dog groomers it was. It looked like

591
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.920
somebody spent hours on it, brushing it and brushing it

592
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.239
and brushing it. I didn't see any mats in its hair.

593
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.039
I didn't see any twigs. I didn't see any leaves.

594
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:43.719
It didn't look like it was dirty from any dirt

595
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:50.400
or dust. The thing looked well groomed, beautiful animal. You

596
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:55.639
could see through the hair to the skin in different

597
00:44:55.719 --> 00:45:00.519
places too. It was almost as when a man ages

598
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:03.480
and he starts getting thin hair and you can see

599
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.840
through the hair to the scalp, you know. You could

600
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.559
you get portions of its body where you could see

601
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.280
through the hair to the to the skin. And it

602
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:18.599
had a dark gray skin, especially when it was in

603
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:23.039
the squatted position. You could see on the inside of

604
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:26.039
its legs and a little bit on its calf muscles.

605
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.199
It was almost bare skin. No hair, but on top

606
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.559
of its thighs and over the shins there was more hair,

607
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.039
longer hair now you could still see through it to

608
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:44.480
the skin, and you could see the striations of the muscles.

609
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.960
Same thing on its chest and on its stomach it

610
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:56.199
was almost like a peach fuzz for hair, but almost

611
00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:02.159
like a bare chest area. And on its shoulders and

612
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.800
on the tops of its arms was longer hair. But

613
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.760
on the four arms, inside of the arms, just like

614
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.119
on the inside of the legs, you could see more

615
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:20.320
skin than hair. In the face, it looked like it

616
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:26.960
had a beard like the Amish, with no mustache, longer

617
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.199
hair coming off of the jawline.

618
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.639
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

619
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:55.360
But above that again was kind of like peach fuzz.

620
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.760
It was still hair, but it was a lot shorter,

621
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:06.559
shorder hair, and it had a human style hooded nose,

622
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.679
and the face was more oval in shape and looked

623
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:22.480
longer and almost flat, with these beady black almond shaped eyes,

624
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.320
and it would the only thing that would move is

625
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.840
his eyes would blink a couple of times, which is

626
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:39.360
you know, it's normal. And his lips were thin, thin,

627
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:45.280
and a little thinner than hours, but a lot like hours.

628
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:48.159
And it seemed like from the from the top of

629
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.400
its top lip to the underside bridge of its nose,

630
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.880
it was a little wide. It looked a little funny

631
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.760
to me when I when I seen it that way,

632
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:04.039
and it had a forehead, but all you could see

633
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:09.960
above that deep brow ridge on its forehead was only

634
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.920
about one inch section of skin before the hair started

635
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.559
on the forehead, and the hair grew backwards towards the

636
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:28.559
top of the head. And when I was looking at

637
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:34.440
it face on shoulder, shoulders squared up with it, its

638
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:39.239
head looked round. It looked completely normal, you know, like

639
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:45.440
our heads are are roundish. However, when it turned around

640
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.000
to start walking up ahead of me, I noticed then

641
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.559
from the back of it that its head came up

642
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.039
into that cone type of shape like you'll see on

643
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.920
a gorilla, and all the hair on the head grew

644
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.119
up to the top of that cone. And at the

645
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.920
top of the cone, it looked like a big old

646
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.880
cat like sticking up there off the top of the

647
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:21.199
cone of his head. And they do have neck muscles,

648
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:26.920
but you can't really see it because those trapezius muscles

649
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.280
connecting from the back of the head to The shoulders

650
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.199
are so thick and so large. It makes them look

651
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.599
like other people have said, like a football player wearing

652
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.639
a helmet. Like the head is set down there in

653
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.159
between them shoulders. You can't hardly see that neck. They

654
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:49.440
do have necks, but those trapezius muscles are so big.

655
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.159
I can only imagine the strength that these things have.

656
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.920
It was just a beautiful, incredible animal. Feet looked just

657
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.840
like our feet. I was shocked to be able to

658
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:14.880
see the heel in the foot and toe definition. It

659
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.239
had hair over the top of its feet, and the

660
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.679
hair would cut off about where the toes would begin.

661
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.760
And it had totenails really similar to ours. Even its

662
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:34.559
fingernails were a lot like ours. Its hands were like ours.

663
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:36.760
There was hair on top of the hand, but not

664
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.800
on the palm, and the hair would stop on the

665
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.880
hand right at the knuckles, right there where the fingers begin.

666
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:54.280
I just I was scared. I guess you could say,

667
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.239
you know, there's a lot of fear in a drenaline

668
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:58.480
going on. But at the same time, when all this

669
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.920
is happening, there's the other part of me where I

670
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:07.960
am completely awestruck. I'm captivated. I cannot stop looking at

671
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.800
this thing because in a lot of respects, it was

672
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:22.480
a magnificently beautiful creature species whatever it is, bigfoot, I mean,

673
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:28.800
call it by a thousand names. The thing was beautiful. Now,

674
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.599
I'm happy that all that ever did was show me

675
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:36.559
its teeth and it didn't make any real sudden or

676
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:41.880
really aggressive movements towards me. And I'm sure and heck

677
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:45.519
glad that it didn't scoop me up and just start

678
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:50.320
walking off with me, because, like I said, the horror

679
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.320
that my friends would go through trying to figure out

680
00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:03.000
where the heck did Jay go? So that kind of

681
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.960
wraps it up. But I'll tell you whether there has

682
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.119
not been a day since that day that it has

683
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.280
not gone through my mind. It has haunted my mind.

684
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:19.960
You cannot get it out. It just I don't know

685
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.159
if that's what they call PTSD or anything like that,

686
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:29.639
but it changes you. There's just not a moment or

687
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.280
not a day where there's not a moment that you

688
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.119
don't stop thinking about this thing.

689
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:44.480
That is extremely incredible, probably the most detailed description I

690
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.360
have yet to hear. Thank you for sharing that. Do

691
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.199
you mind if I ask you some questions about what

692
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:55.039
you experienced?

693
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:57.960
Yeah, yeah, sure.

694
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.559
How long were the arms?

695
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.920
Well, they're longer than ours because when it was standing there,

696
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:21.679
the top of its middle finger on both arms were

697
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:27.159
practically touching its knees. So they have longer arms than ours.

698
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:32.760
And it seemed like from the from the elbow through

699
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.519
the forearm, their forearms seemed to be longer than from

700
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:42.760
the elbow to the shoulders. That's what I noticed about

701
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:48.360
the arms, and the same thing with the the calves.

702
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.159
From the knee down to the foot, they seemed to

703
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:56.719
be at an awkward length. Like it said, they look

704
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:59.800
like a man. I mean, they're shaped like a man

705
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:03.679
as far as two arms and two legs and a

706
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:08.159
head corsol and all that, but their limbs are at

707
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.480
slightly different ratios than ours. That's the best way I

708
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:13.320
can describe it.

709
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:20.360
Yeah, that definitely makes sense from what I've heard in

710
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:24.639
other places as well. Did you notice anything weird about

711
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:26.559
the gait of the creature or the way that it

712
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.800
was moving? Oh?

713
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:32.840
Yeah, I missed that when this thing started walking up

714
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:38.800
ahead of me. First of all, it was completely silent.

715
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.719
I didn't even hear a snip a snap of a twig.

716
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.079
I didn't hear the crunching of a leaf and when

717
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.559
he did it. And I've heard this being described by

718
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.519
other people in the past, and it's a great description.

719
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.440
It was just like this thing was on a Nordic track,

720
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:06.679
like on a set of snow skis. It just glided

721
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:12.239
through all that timber and brush and maneuvered through it

722
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:18.440
effortlessly and smoothly. I mean, its head wasn't bobbing. It

723
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.639
was like it had a stack of books up there

724
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.920
on its head, and those books were perfectly level and

725
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:29.800
not moving. It just glided. So I'm imagining that they

726
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:35.400
probably walk better than we do, because it looked completely

727
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:39.000
like it wasn't exhausted, it wasn't tired. It had no

728
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.760
problem going up that bank and that hillside ahead of me,

729
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:47.760
no problem at all. I mean, didn't even break a

730
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.360
sweat like this thing does it all the time, like

731
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:53.800
walking on a flat sidewalk.

732
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.400
The Nordic tract things. That's a really good way to

733
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:03.000
put it. That's a new one for me, but I

734
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:05.239
mean that that definitely makes sense. I haven't been able

735
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.960
to see one yet, but that really makes sense. Were

736
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.840
you able to see specifically how the feet would move

737
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:17.519
as it was moving up the hill. Was there anything

738
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.880
out of the ordinary about the feet itself?

739
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:26.119
I wasn't paying that close of attention to how it

740
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:30.639
was its feet was yep, I was more or less.

741
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.599
I've seen the back of the legs moving, I've seen

742
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:38.320
the you know, the muscles of the buttocks moving, but

743
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:44.320
I didn't I didn't really see the feet. I didn't.

744
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.239
I don't really remember anything like that.

745
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:56.480
When I talked to witnesses, sometimes they will describe it

746
00:56:56.519 --> 00:57:00.639
in different ways, And I'm curious if you of these

747
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.840
or any of these apply to what you saw. Some

748
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:05.599
people will say, well, it looked like some kind of

749
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:09.480
monkey or neanderthal, or just a guy you would see

750
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:14.800
walking down the road or an orangutan to is there

751
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.559
any way to summarize what you would see, like is

752
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:19.400
it something you would see in a zoo or just

753
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.199
down the middle of the road and oakridge?

754
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:34.320
You know, wow, this is nice to see. Yeah. I

755
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:38.440
want to say something super controversial because the Bigfoot world

756
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:42.599
is always split on so many things. The Bigfoot world

757
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:46.800
likes to argue about so many things. I don't know

758
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:49.920
when there's ever gonna be unity, But I'm gonna tell

759
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.119
you just how it is. Go ahead and you can

760
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.920
like it or not. Hte it, love it, keep it,

761
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:00.400
leave it. But we all know, I think think what

762
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:03.559
we're talking about when I say it had the Muppet face,

763
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:12.079
we have somebody, somebody in our community, our big Foot community.

764
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.320
Some people like and believe and some people don't. And

765
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:21.719
people have termed it or nicknamed it the Muppet face. Well,

766
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:26.280
I'm telling you that's what the face look like. Look

767
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.559
like the Muppet face. You can get over it. That's

768
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:37.760
what it looked like. They had that oval face, peach

769
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:41.000
fuzz on the face except for the jawline, had that

770
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:48.159
longer beard, the beady black eyes, the human knows the

771
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:52.280
almost human style lips on it, and slipped to the mouth.

772
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:57.519
That's what the face looked like. As far as the body,

773
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.159
and you've heard this many times, it looked like Arnold

774
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.719
Schwarzenegger or Ronnie Coleman at the peak of their careers

775
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.360
up there posing up there on the stage. You could

776
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:16.760
see every striation of the muscle, every definition. I often

777
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.719
tell people a good thing to do on a Google search.

778
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:25.679
It's just type in hairless chimpanzee and you take a

779
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:28.599
look at that and you see how ripped those things

780
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:34.400
are that's what this thing look like. You could see

781
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:39.039
that type of definition through the hair. You could see

782
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.000
through the hair to the skin, and you could see

783
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:47.199
those muscles rippling. I'll tell you something else that's interesting

784
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:52.000
about the whole thing is when I got home and

785
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:57.880
I looked on the maps at that general area where

786
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:04.480
we were at. I didn't know this prior to this happening,

787
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:10.000
but as I relooked at the map system, I had

788
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:12.760
our location pinting on the map.

789
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:32.679
Big for society will be right back. After these messages, we.

790
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.480
Knew where we were at. We specifically drove to that

791
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:40.559
location to do some goal prospecting. However, when you widen

792
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.840
your search away from where we were at no more

793
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:51.880
than three to five miles away, there's a drainage creek.

794
01:00:54.239 --> 01:01:00.519
This drainage creek on the map is literally named bab

795
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:07.199
Boon Creek, you know, And that's a big curiosity for me.

796
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:11.039
You know, a lot of it is how did these

797
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:18.039
creek names or these mountains receive their names. You know,

798
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:21.360
I can understand the lightning Ridge, Well, you're going to

799
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.239
have lightning strikes on that ridge, right, That's why you

800
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:29.280
would name it that or deer Creek, right, there's a

801
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.159
lot of deer in the creek, right, or in that

802
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.719
general area of that creek, there's a lot of deer

803
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:40.079
or Elk valley, right. But here you have something in

804
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:45.360
the Wilamte National Forest, which is almost a million acres

805
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.000
that says Baboon Creek. And this drainage creek is a

806
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.039
non significant creek. I mean most of the time in

807
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:56.679
the summertime, I imagine it's one of those drainage creeks

808
01:01:56.679 --> 01:02:01.320
that goes bone dry. That Yet the Forest Service on

809
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:05.960
their map has it named as Baboon Creek. So my

810
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:10.239
question is how did it receive its name? I mean,

811
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:15.000
you look in the area and there's no rock formations

812
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:22.800
in that area that would resemble a baboon, So how

813
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:27.400
did he get its name? Oregon has exotic pet laws,

814
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.679
as far as I understand, you're not allowed to own

815
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:35.480
an exotic pet like a baboon. So a family out

816
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.920
on a Sunday drive and their pet baboon gets loose

817
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.719
in the area. It's probably not why they named that

818
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:51.840
drainage creek Baboon Creek, I assume, and I'd like to believe,

819
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:57.800
just my opinion that at some point you had someone

820
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:01.800
that either did or didn't work for the Forest Service

821
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:07.119
have some kind of sighting or encounter right there in

822
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:12.159
that general area. So when they got back to the office,

823
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:16.840
they told their fellow employees about it, and when they

824
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:22.320
decided to issue out a new map for the year,

825
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:27.239
or however often they like to print out maps, maybe

826
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:31.440
they decided then that they would name that area or

827
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:37.480
that drainage creek Baboon Creek. I don't know. That's something

828
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:42.679
you'd have to ask the Forest Service about. So what

829
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:47.480
are the odds that only three to five miles away

830
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:51.719
there's a drainage creek that is happened to be named

831
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:55.159
Baboon Creek.

832
01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:00.239
It's one of those places that you know, well, say,

833
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.360
I've talked to it more than a few people about

834
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:07.039
the Willlamte National Forest and the bigfoot activity there and

835
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:12.159
the people that are really into it, which in this

836
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:17.719
interview anyways, names won't be named. That that place always

837
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:21.599
gets brought up as it's hard to get to, but

838
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:26.400
there's stuff that happens there that is absolutely crazy. So

839
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:31.599
it is one of the more intense areas. Only being

840
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.000
what you said, three miles away from where you were at.

841
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:38.920
That's that really makes you makes you wonder. I mean,

842
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.079
that's not a long long trip at all.

843
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.639
No, I would guess I could get there in about

844
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.280
seven minutes from where we were at.

845
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:53.199
Have you ever gone to check that place out?

846
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.239
No, but I like to. And sometimes that's the difficulty

847
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:04.480
is Ever since that happened, I can't go out and

848
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:10.480
recreationally do anything without bringing somebody with me. I used

849
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:14.599
to be able to go out alone, no problem. I

850
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.199
believed him bigfoot. Yeah, I thought he was out there,

851
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:19.880
but I thought the chances of me ever running into

852
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.280
one was pretty well slimmed to none. But then it happened,

853
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.800
and now I think there's bigfoot everywhere, or the possibility

854
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:30.920
that there is, And I've got to bring somebody with

855
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:32.599
me if I want to go out there and do anything.

856
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:36.599
And sometimes it's just difficult to connect with people and

857
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:40.480
their schedules and my schedules and match up days off

858
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.760
to be able to go out and do things like that.

859
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.000
So No, I haven't been back into the area. I

860
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.880
haven't been back to or I had my encounter, and

861
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.480
I haven't even done any of that there. I know

862
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.280
right where it's at. I still have a GPS to

863
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:01.519
on my map be no problem for me to drive

864
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:05.760
right back there and take a look around. But I'm sure,

865
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.079
and heck is I'm not going to do anything like

866
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:09.760
that by myself.

867
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.079
Oh yeah, absolutely, I think that's that's wise too, for

868
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:19.239
anyone who's into this not not to do the going

869
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:24.599
by yourself route. So getting a good look at it,

870
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:28.360
do you think that is there any way that you

871
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:32.199
could really protect yourself from a creature this big and

872
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:33.440
so powerful?

873
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:40.880
No? No, even if I had my handgun, you know,

874
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.519
my availability, which in the moment I didn't, it was

875
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.800
at the bottom of my backpack, and it would have

876
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.719
been a real deal trying to tell this thing, Okay,

877
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.400
big guy, just stay there and don't move while I

878
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:59.320
slip off my backpack, fight to open up the zipper,

879
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.559
grab a hold of my chest weights and rent them

880
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:06.719
out of this backpack, to retrieve my handgun and then

881
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:11.639
point it at you in defense. I mean, it's a

882
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:16.400
forty caliber handgun, but I don't think even at a

883
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.039
short distance of thirty feet, it's going to have any

884
01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:24.880
kind of penetrating power to be able to penetrate the

885
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:28.239
sheer mass of this animal. I mean, if it is

886
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:34.880
related to a primate, if it is then primates have

887
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:38.760
I don't remember what the number was, but it was

888
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:43.440
a crazy number, like twenty times denser muscles than humans do.

889
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:46.880
So it's going to be hard for even a high

890
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:50.920
caliber bullet to penetrate all that tissue to get to

891
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:55.039
a vital organ. And this thing is thick. I mean,

892
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.559
if it turned sideways and you were to look at

893
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:02.679
the front of the chest to the back of the chest,

894
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.440
I mean that sucker had to be two feet or

895
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:10.119
two and a half feet dick from the chest to

896
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:14.360
the back. Yeah. I just don't think it'd be wise

897
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:21.119
to point a stick, point a weapon, point anything at

898
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:26.039
this this creature. I think the best thing anybody can

899
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:28.680
do is to do a lot like what I did.

900
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:34.960
Don't move, hold your ground, don't do anything rash, try

901
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:41.399
to stay calm and collected what you can and just

902
01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:46.279
let it move off, you know, let it get tired

903
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.039
of you and just move off. And I think that's

904
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:50.880
what it did. It got a good look at me.

905
01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:54.680
It realized I wasn't trying to be a big, big

906
01:08:54.760 --> 01:09:00.680
threat towards it. Maybe maybe it felt no real challenge

907
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:05.199
from me, but I think that, you know, if it

908
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:10.319
wanted me, it had me dead to rights, especially at

909
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:16.279
thirty feet away, it wouldn't surprise me, especially if they're

910
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:21.199
in that squatted position, that they would literally be able

911
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:24.680
to take one leap through the air downhill and be

912
01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:28.159
right smack dab on top of you and it'd be over.

913
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:33.000
It'd be over, you'd be done. But none of that

914
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:36.279
has happened. None of that did happen. I'm obviously alive

915
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:41.079
to talk about it with you today. But I think

916
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:47.439
if you're experiencing things out there that are considered maybe

917
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:54.479
aggressive in nature, just turn around and slowly walk your

918
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:58.079
way out the way that you came in. There's no

919
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:03.560
need to a it on for what to put you

920
01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:07.079
in more danger or the people you're with in more danger.

921
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.720
Just take the sign they don't watch you in the area,

922
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:13.560
get out of the area. And that's kind of what

923
01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:18.560
I did that day, especially when I had to make

924
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.920
a stupid bigfoot call that I never thought would have

925
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:25.119
any results. I mean, is that why I saw it

926
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:29.000
that day? Did I happen to call it in? I

927
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:34.359
don't know. I mean, it's possible, but if you see one,

928
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:40.520
or you have one throwing grapefruit size to bowling sized

929
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:45.760
rocks through the woods at you, or they're pushing down trees,

930
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:49.399
or they're doing things like that. I think it's a

931
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.680
pretty good sign that you just need to pack it

932
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:55.119
up and get out of there. I mean, don't push

933
01:10:55.279 --> 01:11:00.600
the issue. That's just my opinion of what people should do.

934
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.840
I mean, treat it like anything else that's wild, because

935
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:09.960
you've got to understand a lot of the translations from

936
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:16.560
Indian languages will literally translate into one of two things,

937
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:25.640
harry man or wild man. Emphasis on wild is the

938
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:29.439
difference between a wolf and a dog? Are they both

939
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.960
k nine? Yes, But you know that thing is wild

940
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:38.399
and you don't know exactly what you're going to get

941
01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:44.159
from it, So give it respect, give it space. The

942
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.560
Indians used to say that when they would see signs

943
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:52.760
of these things in an area of the woods, they'd

944
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:57.199
give them a wide berth. The Indians would go off

945
01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:02.039
and hunt somewhere else, they leave that area, And I

946
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:05.399
think that's how we should continue to do it. The

947
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:10.119
Native Americans, well, they've been around them longer than you

948
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:14.479
know as white people. I think we need to listen

949
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.079
to them when they when they say, you know, this

950
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:21.039
is how you should treat them and behave and everything else,

951
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:23.560
and some of the Indians say that they like to

952
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:27.560
eat people. You need to stay away from them, you know.

953
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:30.039
I think we need to listen to all those things

954
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.279
and consider all those things. You do not have to

955
01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:35.119
believe all those things, but at least consider them as

956
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.199
a possibility.

957
01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:47.000
Excuse me, absolutely, I definitely definitely agree with that. I've

958
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:50.520
been doing a lot of research into Oakrage, and it

959
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:56.079
seems like the more I dig into it, it's a

960
01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:59.479
very intense area. Or maybe I'm just not used to

961
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:03.279
how Oregon is in general. Do you think that that

962
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:07.920
area is intense more than other areas in Oregon when

963
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:09.760
it comes to Sasquatch, or do you think the whole

964
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:12.159
state in general is just out of control.

965
01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:16.840
There's a lot of rural areas in Oregon. I mean,

966
01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.319
once you get outside of any small town or larger

967
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:26.399
town or city, I mean, it's just nothing but woods.

968
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:29.760
I mean, you got to understand a lot of these

969
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:35.279
people that live five to ten miles outside of a

970
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:40.760
town in a rural area. Your backyard is nothing but

971
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:47.159
Douglas fir trees in forests, whether that's a national forest

972
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:53.279
or it's timber a company owned, it's forest. And if

973
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.199
you fly a drone up or get in a plane,

974
01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:59.079
it's nothing but miles and miles of forest. It goes

975
01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:02.119
on and on and on. I mean basically we all

976
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:07.279
kind of live in the woods. I hate to say

977
01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:09.800
it that way, but just take an aerial view of it.

978
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:15.359
The Umpquah National Forest is nine hundred thousand acres. The

979
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:19.439
Wilamic National Forest is, well, it's about the same. It's

980
01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:22.119
nine hundred thousand, two a million acres. You go to

981
01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:25.920
Mount Hood, I mean it's just in the Three Sisters area,

982
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:30.800
same thing. Holy crap. You go down on the Oregon

983
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:37.439
California border and that's the same way. It's rule. It's

984
01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:43.279
nothing but woods and mountains and woods. I mean, it's

985
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:48.079
no wonder people get lost in this state, and it's

986
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.399
pretty easy to get turned around. It all looks the

987
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:52.680
same if you're out there wandering around and you don't

988
01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:56.640
have the skill sets to you know, navigate yourself in

989
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:02.720
and out of areas. I don't think there's necessarily certain hotspots.

990
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:07.920
I mean, you could encounter these things almost anywhere in

991
01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:13.680
the state, to be completely honest with you, and I

992
01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:17.520
think you know there are certain areas where there's more

993
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:24.079
recreation going on more human activity. And I think that

994
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.560
to a large degree, these things are you know, a

995
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.920
little curious by nature, and they want to check you

996
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:35.199
out and then they'll kind of decide on their own

997
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:38.479
if they want to, you know, let you be or

998
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:43.359
try to intimidate you out of the area. But I think, yeah,

999
01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:45.920
there's a lot of boating and kayaking and a lot

1000
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:49.640
of hiking trails that people like to use. All of

1001
01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:54.079
those are still in remote areas of the state, and

1002
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:58.119
it gives anybody the opportunity to have an experience or

1003
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:03.119
a citing right. Can't really say definitively that one place

1004
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:06.560
is going to have more activity than the other. I

1005
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.319
think that is based off the time of the year

1006
01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:14.119
and where the food sources are. Because when we were

1007
01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:18.600
there on March tenth, that's springtime, and in that creek

1008
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:22.359
that we were goal prospecting in, the salmon were running.

1009
01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:24.159
I mean I could have walked out in the creek

1010
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:28.439
and just bent down and grabbed up a spring salmon.

1011
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.960
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1012
01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:50.479
I mean they were flopping and everything in through there.

1013
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:55.560
So it's a great food source. You know, as far

1014
01:16:55.600 --> 01:17:01.039
as I understand these things, love fish. They love salmon. Well,

1015
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:05.279
we have a spring, a fall in it, in a winter,

1016
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:09.600
fish runs in all of the creeks and streams that

1017
01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:14.079
feed our rivers, So I would guess that, you know,

1018
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:17.039
maybe we interrupted it getting some fish for the day.

1019
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:21.720
I mean, that's a possibility too. We also suspect that

1020
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:27.239
they love huckleberries, and you've heard reports of them going

1021
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:31.600
as far as eating deer and eating elk. So I'm

1022
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:38.079
assuming that these things have a range that they go

1023
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:43.279
through throughout the year, and whatever food source is in

1024
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:49.520
these areas is where you're going to find them. You know, spring, fall, winter,

1025
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:53.359
If the fish are running, you have a good opportunity

1026
01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:56.800
that they're feeding on fish. If the berries are ripe,

1027
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:02.119
well there's an opportunity they're feeding on berries. If there's

1028
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:06.000
no berries and no fish in the moment, they're probably

1029
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:08.680
going to switch to deer and elk and other things.

1030
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:12.199
And so you kind of use that as a guide.

1031
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.840
If you're out there trying to look for these things,

1032
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:20.520
you need to place yourself in areas where those food

1033
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:22.399
sources are plentiful.

1034
01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:26.520
In light, I did not come back from Oakridge the

1035
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.199
same person. I will say that I experienced some things

1036
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:34.920
that were very weird. I ended up having bacterial infections

1037
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:36.920
in my legs that I had to go to the

1038
01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:39.680
doctor urgent care for that. I got up in the woods,

1039
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:44.159
like Jay, it was nuts. It was absolutely that area

1040
01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:44.920
is crazy.

1041
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:47.760
Oh wow, I'm sorry to hear that.

1042
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:50.039
Well, you know, that's all right. I mean, I still

1043
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:54.199
got my legs, but it's just weird. It's just weird.

1044
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.960
They didn't really two doctors in two different states had

1045
01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:02.600
no idea what happened. So be probably wearing pants in

1046
01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:04.880
the woods when I go out next. That's what it

1047
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:05.399
comes down to.

1048
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:06.359
Always a good idea.

1049
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:09.039
Yeah, it's a good idea. But what year again was

1050
01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:10.720
that when you had your encounter and.

1051
01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:15.239
Oakridge March tenth, twenty sixteen.

1052
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:20.560
Wow, that is yeah, wow, that is so recent.

1053
01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:23.399
Hasn't been a day it has gone by. I have

1054
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:24.680
not thought about it.

1055
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:34.640
Do you ever? Has what happened there? Has it affected

1056
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:39.000
your your dreams? Or is it constantly in this is

1057
01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.760
this is kind of weird to say, but is it

1058
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.159
constantly on your mind? Almost to the point where like

1059
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:48.840
you're looking around at the real world, but you almost

1060
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:51.880
see that same area. I'm not even sure how to

1061
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.439
explain that, but I know what.

1062
01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.239
I think, I know what you're getting at. Yeah, it's uh.

1063
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:01.720
I've never dreamt of about the experience. I've never had

1064
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:05.960
nightmares about the experience or woke up in a cold sweat,

1065
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.039
And I don't even know how to put a number

1066
01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:17.800
on it. But I find myself daydreaming a lot about

1067
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:22.800
that experience that day, just reliving it in my mind.

1068
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:28.680
No real emotions attached to reliving it in my mind,

1069
01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:35.560
just can't stop reliving it in my mind. I think

1070
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:41.520
I think the way to describe it would be in comparison.

1071
01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.239
Possibly now I'm not of it. I never served in

1072
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:51.039
the military, but it would be like someone who was

1073
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:56.159
in the military and unfortunately had to take the life

1074
01:20:56.159 --> 01:21:04.960
of other people's And I think the first time that

1075
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:10.359
happens for a military vet taking someone else's lives life,

1076
01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:14.680
I should say, I think there's not going to be

1077
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:18.039
a day that goes by in that man's mind where

1078
01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:24.359
he doesn't replay that in his mind. And that's the

1079
01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:27.159
same thing with me. I don't dream about it, but

1080
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:35.039
during the day I often think about it absolutely and

1081
01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:37.520
that's the best way I can I can describe it

1082
01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:44.039
for myself and my own experience that changes you, man.

1083
01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:50.000
Yeah, No, it definitely, it definitely does. And I just

1084
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:54.920
can't imagine to the effects that actually having a visual

1085
01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:59.199
sighting does that. Yeah, it's I.

1086
01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:02.880
Wish Matt would have seen it. I wish Matt would

1087
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.079
have seen it. Was he was an unbeliever. I already

1088
01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:08.000
believed I didn't have to see one in life. I

1089
01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:12.000
already believed it was out there was enough circumstantial evidence

1090
01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:15.720
out there. But I want him to see it. If

1091
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.880
I could have just got him to come up there

1092
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:21.760
and stand next to me, he would have seen it too.

1093
01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:25.399
Do you think he's still an unbeliever?

1094
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:30.880
Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. I didn't. I didn't quite get along

1095
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:34.000
with his personality anyway. Especially on the drive there, I

1096
01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.000
got a real feel for the guy, and I was like,

1097
01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:39.000
I don't really don't really click with this guy. But

1098
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.239
that's all right. We're going to go out here. We're

1099
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:43.359
all going to have a good time and make a

1100
01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:43.960
day of it.

1101
01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:50.560
You know, Jay, it has been a pleasure chatting with you.

1102
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:56.000
I mean, it's just it's it's a fascinating account, and

1103
01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:02.079
I'm glad that we decided to the extra time outside

1104
01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:05.760
of you know, we only got I want to say

1105
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:09.119
fifteen twenty minutes at the festival and this is much

1106
01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:12.600
needed to spend the time so that you could really

1107
01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:16.359
really pick it apart. And thank you so much for

1108
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:17.119
coming on today.

1109
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:21.119
Jay. You're welcome. Absolutely, you got my number and you

1110
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:22.359
can get a hold of me anytime.

1111
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:27.399
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1112
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1118
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.239
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1119
01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:55.520
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1120
01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:59.000
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1121
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1122
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:05.279
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1123
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1124
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1125
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1127
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1130
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:32.159
you there and again, thanks for listening.

1131
01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:23.520
Her and I can get on here. We can tell

1132
01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:26.800
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's

1133
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:29.800
too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

1134
01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:32.560
them the courage to come out and now feel so

1135
01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:35.800
bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know

1136
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:39.079
what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all

1137
01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:39.680
I care about.

1138
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.119
Please let people know, Please let them know.

1139
01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:01.079
If you ever see one of these.

1140
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:04.880
Things, you need to tell because if you don't, then

1141
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:05.840
shame on you.

1142
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:17.119
You know, shame on you,