Surrounded by Screaming Sasquatch in the Alaska Rainforest! (Encounter Archives)

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0:49 It's going well. Right now, I'm in Wrangle Saint Elias National Park. It's the biggest national park in the United States. It's fourteen thousand square miles. And that's over by the Yukon right kind of. We're below the Yukon. We're between well, we're in the middle of nowhere. That's why nobody knows this. So McCarthy, Alaska is the little tiny town that's inside this park. If you want to google it, that's the only thing. That's the only way you're. Gonna find me, gotcha, gotcha? So how far? How remote are you right now away from? Like that? Is it your way out in the bush? Is what it sounds like.

1:31 Yeah, I am, Yes, if you wanted to look at a map, I am three hundred and twenty five miles from Anchorage and I don't know how far from Beldez, but those are the two reference points. So yeah, I'm on the bush way on the. Bush doing anything fun out there. A lot of height and looking around doing photography. We got a lot of bears this year. Okay, so it's mating season and yeah, I don't. Really want to be around him right now. Yeah, probably not. Watch it back, but it sounds like you've had some really interesting encounters in that park, and I loved it to talk to you guys, to tell me what kind of what kind of things you run across out there.

2:20 Well, we have all kinds of bears and moose, and there's actually something that's more rare. I think that a sasquatch and it's called a glacier bear and mysel one. So they crawled up on me. I was not being quiet at all, and I had a campfire and it come up and looked at me, scared the crap out of me. I didn't know what it was anyway, other than that I've seen one sasquatch within forty yards in the sunlight, as clear as if you were standing there. What happened is well, I can tell you the whole story. You want me to stir from it again, okay. So I was working at a lodge in Macarthy, Alaska.

3:08 Not hard to find out which one it is. I prefer. I don't know what to say. I don't really want the attention drawing to the lodge. It has nothing to do with it. But I happened to be working there, and it was late probably August, maybe July, I can't remember. And a friend of mine works here, and he you know, we were just burn out because it's a lot of work. It's only open first yeart amount of time, then you got to close it down open again next year. So we were wiped and I said, hey man, I'm going up to the toe. I don't want to walk. I'm going to grab my truck. You want to go, And he's like yeah. So the toe is the end of the Root Glacier, and the Root Glacier is built are Ot and it's the glacier that happens to be about a mile and a half from where I'm sitting. So anyway, we run up there and you can hear it melting, and once in a while you'll see calves, and you know, it's cool to watch. It's pretty, and it's cooler because it's summertime and you got wind coming off the ice.

4:22 So we were on the way out there, going slow, and I'm in this old beat up Toyota and I you know, both of us have done this trail a million times. So we're going up this trail and I'm going really slow just in case there might be somebody or bears jump out or whatever, because we're running bush and I'm cruising along and I come up just to a tiny rise, not really a hill, but as I do, I see this black head and it's smoothly crossing in front of us. I was going to the way it was moving. It was smooth, it was not like a bare walks a moose walks. Nothing walks that smooth, and I immediately got an ice cream headache, and I said it's a big foot. And my buddy wasn't even paying attention.

5:19 He's like what. I stopped and I said, look, dude, I think that's a big foot. And it walked behind the hill, you know, the slight rise, so all we could see was like, I don't know, most of its head as it floated by, and it looked like it was floating. So I get up there with the truck. I'm like, well, we're gonna go find it. So I come up over the rise and he's not there. Whatever it was wasn't there, So I told Neil, uh, don't slam in the car door. So I pull up into the brush a little bit and stop. We opened the truck doors, and I'm always armed with a ten milimeter sig and he happened to have a AR fifteen, which isn't great for bear, but it makes a lot of noise. So I said, hey, if you go down about sixty yards and circling in the bush, once you go in, I'll go in and maybe you'll chase it to me. Whatever it is, I thought, it was a wounded bear. I did not, you know, last thing on my mind was really a zasquatch. I'd never seen one. Don't really care about him, and he did so when he walked in, I started walking in and I walked in just past the brush line kind of and I stopped in the shadows. You know, I wanted my whole life Neil. He kind of walked in and made all kinds of noise stomping in there, and he stopped and I heard him kind of make this weird

6:50 noise and he gasp, and I looked over at him automatically, and I had already scanned the area looking, but I heard him gasp, and I looked over and before my eyes could get to his area, I realized there was a person standing there about forty feet away. To me. This thing looked about six foot five. It was well built, had the deep shaped body like a you know, like a linebacker or whatever. And it wasn't looking at me. It appeared that it was looking, well, it was not looking.

7:32 It wasn't facing me. Its body basically was facing three quarter away from me. So I was seeing the left shoulder, ear back, you could see the leg, but I couldn't see its face, and it was like almost doing it on purpose, is what I got. Right way wouldn't look at me, kind of glanced at me, and when it did it's eye I couldn't leave it. The eyeball had a little bit of yellow, like our white eye here you would be. But this thing, you know, it's sunlight.

8:12 My glasses have I have these automatic darkening glasses and they have darkened down and I look at those things eyes and the pupils are enormous. I mean it's all pupil and I'm thinking, how can this thing see in the sunlight? You know, even in owls eyes closed down quite a lot the regular in the sunlight. That's not like they're totally blown out like they do at night. And that's that was shocking. And then the next thing that freaked me out while I was completely in shock kind of, and the next thing it freaked me out is the way it ran. This thing took off with no gameing of speed like you know a bear wood or a human. This thing took off from zero to sixty It appeared to be sixty miles an hour instantly, and we went about seventy five yards, jumped over some trees that were down, and then took off again, like sixty miles.

9:18 An hour, and that was it. That was the end of it. So I walked back to the truck and Neil comes back and he's all excited. He's like, hey, I saw a bigfoot. I saw a bigfoot, And I'm like, what'd you see? And he says, I saw a human shaped arm, except for it was too long, and this thing was walking or running and he saw the arm swing. Well, that's not what I saw. I saw the whole thing and picks up for its face and I don't know what gender or whatever, you know, a female. So anyway, it didn't really last long. It was gone. So we stood by the truck and talked about it a little. We actually drove out to the toe again, you know, kept going hung out and come back, looked around and went on there. So that was that.

10:11 That was twenty seventeen. And it didn't keep me out of the woods. There was no violent encounter or whatever. You are scared to go back in the woods. It sounds like you're pretty no comfortable with the woods. Oh yeah, yeah, no, I go back in there. Yeah I did that. It's not like I'm going to see another one. Well, you know, I'm fifty five years old. Well back then, and he goes, it's fifty. Yeah, fifty is about right. I'd never seen all my life, you know, a chance of seeing another one or zero. And then I saw another one five years later, right, and it was enormous.

10:58 The first encounter that you had, did you notice anything but you saw the back of it? Sounded like, do you notice anything about the shape of the head at all, anything around that part of the No, the big foot. All I saw. Is if well, my son is foot, it's six foot seven, So in my mind, there's things a couple of inches shorter. Its shoulders are probably the same, with maybe a little bit more, and it was very muscular. As far as it's head. I'm prior military, and if you take people and you shave their heads like they're in the service, or even really short hair, you can see the shape of it. Yet, so this thing's hair wasn't that long on its head.

11:49 I would say maybe two to three inches at the most. And its head was like a human. It was a human. You know, in my mind, this is a person. Stand now, and I had a guy in my hand, so I stepped out and I saw the brown fur. And I've been around Alaska a long time, so I immediately drew my pistol. And then I realized what I was looking at, and I thought in my mind, immediately this is a person. So I put my weapon away immediately I looked at it. I'm guessing the immediate reaction to pull your pistol would be because you see that color, you think it's bear something like that.

12:33 Absolutely, yeah, yes, everybody. Way, I can't say everybody, in my opinion, the people that spend a lot of time out the outdoors here in Alaska, they do it armed. Sure. You look at all the villagers when they leave their villages, they're armed. So it's natural to be armed here. If you don't, you're going to be in baar bait. Absolutely. From things I've seen about Alaska, you do not. You don't get many chances to mess around, for sure. You get made what chance in that sense, So that's right. You make one mistake out here, especially when you're alone, like I go and you're done, it's over. So you just gotta be careful. So anyway, that's so, I know you want me to talk about the next one.

13:22 The five year later, Real quick, before we get to that that area you were in, were there ever any stories you heard of other sightings or was it a pretty unique thing for the area that you were in. Well, I didn't, you know. Of course, this has started me on my big sasquatch sure adventure of the Internet trying to find information. So you know, beforehand, I didn't really care about them. I never heard about them. You know, I'd heard about this thing called lacoustica, but it wasn't a bigfoot. It's the auto man exactly. So I'm in you know right now, and I'm about a mile a mile and a half from where I was, and I'm England one hundred and twenty miles from the gal or the coast, So there's no clucic he here, That's what I'm saying. Gotcha around the coast and anyway, Yeah, continue, there's the answer.

14:22 Yeah. So afterwards, yes, absolutely, I found out lots of things about. This area of it. Five years later than you had, another thing happened to you, which is totally unexpected because you're only expecting maybe one in your lifetime. Yes, correct, Yeah, I mean it's not realistic because I think you're going to see another one. So anyway, yeah, I saw another one last year. And then the other one is I saw a disappearing stump in the same area. Interesting, a disappearing stump.

15:04 Yes, and I can explain that one. Yeah. Yeah. So I've had back problems and their service related, so I've had you know, treatments in my back. Unfortunately, it left me unable to walk for a while. So when I was able to walk, I walked all over the place like the doctor and the physical therapist set. So I walked from about where I am down to the the tow road, walk in there, walk all over the place on uneven surfaces because that's what the doctor wanted me to do. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

16:02 And then when I was about I couldn't do it anymore, I'd walk back home back here. And I did that day after day after day after day. It's just physical therapy. I have to if I want to walk, I have to do it. So I walk this trail over and over every day. And in Alaska this time of year, it doesn't really get dark, it's more plylight. So I walked this trail and I'm headed towards the tow and I've looked at this same trail and everything in it a whole bunch of times, so everything's basically memorized. And as I walk up, and I'm a hunter photographer, so I can tell you it's not really supposed to be in place. If I saw a place and something changed, I can pretty much tell you what it was. My brain will tell me there's something change anyway. So I'm walking down this trail and I'm looking to the right for no reason, and I see this big black stump. Now, the toe of the glacier is where the glacier is receding, meaning nothing can grow there quick enough. That would be a three foot stump or more. That's impossible. What's the Thing's petrified? And I've walked this area whole bunch and I've never seen it. So I stop and I look at it, and I light up a cigarette and I'm thinking, you know, I'm tired anyway, because I'm hurting, and I look at this stump and I'm thinking, well, I'm going

17:34 to go say what is this thing? It's weird. It shouldn't be here. And I walked towards it and my feet get tangled in the brush. I look down, you know, get them untangled and keep going, and I look up and it's gone, oh boy. And one thing I hadn't told you is while I was watching this stump before I walk towards it, it opens its eyes so on the side of the stone. Its eyes opened really, and I was shocked, and I'm like, what does this? So I thought whatever it was would get up and run away, and that's why I have this standing there slowly smoking this letter.

18:22 I look at this. Thing and it was probably it wasn't far at all. I don't know how many feet it was a ways. You know, I'm a bowl hunter. It would be an easy shot, so twenty five thirty yards so I'm like, well, and then it closed its eyes and it turned it into it. You know, you couldn't tell it wasn't anything else. I'm like, well, I'm gonna go find out what it is. So I got a gun on with no big deal. So I walked towards it, get stuck in the brush a little bit. Look up, it's gone, no sound at all. Hadn't rained it a couple of days, and I'm like, well, if I walk in there, it sounds like, I'm you know, walking through a bunch of brushed up peanut shells or something both. So I'm like, well, this is weird. So I walk back in there anyway, and I look around for fifteen to twenty minutes. I look up in the trees, I look at the ground. I'm fairly good at tracking, nothing's disturbed. And I'm thinking, wow, what in the world.

19:29 So I walk back to the road with the trail. I walk down to the tow do my thing, and walk home. And as I walk home, I use the same trail and I keep, you know, I keep looking to my left, which is where that area was, and I see nothing, no big deal. So I go home, and you know, next day, I get up and I have to go walking. So eventually I go walking in this day, it's later, so it's probably eleven o'clock something like that, and I go walking because I put it off. It iterates I don't want to do it, but I do it. So I go out there and the same trail, and I keep looking to the right because that's where I saw the disappearing stump. And I'm walking along looking for this stump looking thing, and I stop because something tells my brain, well, something's out of place. So I look and I'm studying the area and I hurt really done at at that point, and I'm scanning the area and I'm like, well, I'm not gonna spending much time on it, and I'm about to leave and I look over and behind this spruce tree that's about twelve feet high is Oh, it's like like a traditional bigfoot stand there,

21:02 except for this was jet black. Jet black. You couldn't see anything light coming often and it was still a little bit light. It's bluish light here and it didn't move it. I couldn't see its phase. I didn't know if I was looking at me here looking the other way. I assumed I was looking at me. And it was enormous. It was twelve feet tall five five and a half feet wide, and it's like my brain didn't register. What it was until it did, and it was like. So I raised my right hand and I said, hey, big brother, and I turned and I walked away and walked down the toe and did my thing.

21:48 Wow. And eventually I came. Back because it's really the only way to get home this way. So I come back and I freaked out. I'm looking behind me and stuff. But it did seeing the bother it, you know, I got this feeling that was watching the trail. They didn't go a crap about me. Anyway. I walk back that area and I'm really worried, and I keep looking all over the place, especially to my left, and I see nothing. I was the end of it. I find it really interesting the reaction you had when you saw it was, you know, to raise your hands, say hey, big brother, what was it that you think that that made you do that reaction? Was it something you'd heard previously or is it just it just came out of you now?

22:39 Because uh, in twenty seventeen, you know, I went on the rabbit hole for information about what i'd seen because I didn't know what i'd seen. During that time. I'd learned that if you get int, you know fairly close to these things. And in my opinion, since I saw on in the first time, and I've listened to the native tales and learnings, they say they're people. So somewhere I heard, hey, that's proper greeting. You should say, oh, big brother, I leave, or you should say more to it.

23:19 But for me, that was all I could do, and that's what I. Did when you were doing research into this the years prior. Were you going directly to those that you may have known around you, or was this you know things online or. Both mostly online. I know Native Stone and well throughout the state, but mostly down by the Copper River area at the basin, and the two people I knew well there. It's a man and female, and the man is not from Alaska, and the lady is from western Alaska, so her knowledge would be limited to Alaska, of course, but more specified in that area. I did talk to the gentleman and he did not like talking about it.

24:22 In general. He doesn't care. Then he'll tell me areas that he he just. Cannot sleep overnight because we both camp a lot, he does more than I do now, but we'd always be on our rigs, camping, you know whatever, always out of town. And so he tell me the areas he couldn't sleep, and which I find weird because the guy can, you know, he's just out doorsman in the Native Park is regular sleep anywhere, kind of like I do. But there are basically three places down you know that I cannot sleep them.

25:03 I've tried, but you can't. Are those areas you can mention or there's just random areas out in the bush. No, I can mention them. I don't really want to get specific because I don't want to mess with the people in the area. Oh oh yeah, definitely not. Yeah so, but you know, one of them, I didn't see anything, but I've heard things. And then the other two they're just creepy, dude. I mean, I can go anywhere, sleep anywhere. It doesn't bother me. There are two places other than my favorite place that are just creepy.

25:46 You know. It's a deep, dark rainforest. There's absolutely no light because the fulliage grows over and if you usually have cloud cover and if you get a moonless night, it's like being in a cave. Wow. You mentioned you've heard some interesting things in certain areas. Have you ever heard like vocalizations things like that? What kind of things that we heard? I ever glad a few the things. The strangest thing is I was done by this place called I call it the Graining Pond, and it's probably eighteen miles from a little village and back in off the main road there. I don't know how many miles.

26:33 It's a little log and trails you follow if you don't know when you're going to get lost anyway. So I'm part next to this graining pond and I got one of those solo rangers. Going. It's a pier pit and sitting on a lawn chair kind of thing, camp chair on my fe go on a table with a head laid on, and I'm reading a book and it's nice and mist eve. You know, it's rainforest, so it's simple. Anything used to it. So I'm sitting there reading this book and I hear these, you know, owls. They're not uncommon, and.

27:18 But first I hear. Radius and I'm like, why are radums up the seven night? So they shut up, and I kept back went back to reading, and then I heard owls, and the owls they didn't sound right. There's too many of them. You know, if you hear an owl it's alone, it may have somebody else with it, you know, another owl, but it's in another area. Hunting just like it is. They don't hunt together. So I'm like, well, that's strange. There was like three of them, and I thought that's weird. Maybe it's breeding season or something. So the who's don't seem correct.

28:02 And then one of the. One of the who said, I'm here sitting back reading the book, not really caring, paying attention, and this who's turned into like the loudest scream from a woman you will ever hear in your life. And it was ridiculously long. And I put the book away and I looked around because I'm on. The villa nowhere anything you walk up and eat me. I don't have a sense or anything around me. And I'm like, what was that. So I sat there for a while and I said, well, I'm going to listen to this, and another one doesn't.

28:49 And another one doesn't, and I'm like, wow. And they're not that far away. They're like to me, they were like on the backside between me and the sound is a grayling pond and. An opener. You know, it's kind of an open area. It's tundra, and then it goes up onto the side of a mountain and to me, they sounded like they were way back up the mountain, but they were really loud. Still thought, well, that's weird, and it was a little freaked out. So I sat there and you know, nothing really happened, and then the ravens kicked off again, and then uh, and then we heard or I heard coyotes and I thought, this is really weird. There is no way this is going on this taburite, there's nothing out here to draw them to where I am.

29:41 At the time, there was a rivers, two. Two rivers, small rivers I had afford to get to where I was, and they were packed with salmon. That's a great time to go camping because nothing's going to mess with it. Like weeks in, eventually these things are screaming. They sound like coyotes, and then I turn into people yelling, and then there's multiple ones going off at one time, and then I hear this one and it is so loud it cannot be explained. It shook my entire body.

30:24 It fired off with this crazy scream like a lady. It was really really loud begs. A society will be right back after these messages. So it's this I don't even know how to explain it. It's this piercing scream like a woman that's really in trouble.

31:06 And then it turned into kind of a man he is, you know, murdered, and that turned into like this animalistic screen and it was almost all I wants. It's really hard to explain, so I'm out there in the woods and I'm it's dark as it. I mean, if I shut my light off, I can't see anything. And I'm like, wow, I think it's time to go. I load, I load my chair into the truck, and you know, do. My little make sure everything's picked up well, the fire pits do ot to doing it any too. I don't worry about the right fours.

31:48 It's not gonna burn. You're not gonna have a fest far then. So I get in the truck, and the way my SUV's made, I can look backwards with the doors open, and I have a chair back there where I could just chill out. In and read. So I was I'm like, well, at least they'll be in here. So I shut the. Two doors and I had the window book and I'm like, okay, I want this. Is this? So they kept screaming. They kept repeating the same similar screams up on the mountain or. Between the mount and eye. And then there were like two huge ones that seemed to have flanked me on each side. And what they would do is when they would scream, it was.

32:36 Mostly the one on my left side. When this thing. Would scream, it was like in competition with the others, and it screamed so loud and it was you wouldn't believe it. I mean, if you did, if I hadn't heard it, I think, yeah, dude, you're sure it was loud. No, this is like louder than an. M sixteen report. But it kept going and going, and finally the one on. The right started. So I got these two gigantic things I can't see, and they're hollering like nothing I've ever heard. Just that's insane.

33:21 So I'm like, well, I think it's time to leave again. So I crawl over and I'm about to shut the hatch and just crawl on the front seat. I'm not going outside. And then the one on the left started laughing, and it was this I can't produce it, but it was this deep, truly laugh and it started like. But then it. Turned into like this demonic laughing. And it was incredibly loud and very deep. And then the one on the right. So I'm between these two things, and I'm thinking I should be terrified, but I'm not. And I started laughing along with these two guys or whatever, and I say, you know, there's.

34:16 Something wrong here. I got to get out of here. So I listened a little longer, and I've been there maybe forty forty minutes at the most, something like that. I don't know since they started talking all what they talked too. And I shut the hatch, and I'm like, I can't deal with this. I'm going somewhere else. I'm not super freaked out. So I crawl on the front and I drive towards this glacier that's hard to get to, and it's behind the kind of behind a ridge, the same ridge I think they were yelling from. But it's kind of on the backside. So I parked there and I get out, you know, end up being so I got in woods and you know, there's no woods.

34:58 Now, it's all open glacier scrub. So I can see and I get out, look around my light, do my thing and listen, and I don't hear anything but the glacier ice moving behind me, which is absolutely normal. You know, it's about to set. Some of them are the size of the car, or some of them the size your fists, and when the wind blows, they make they bump into each other. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to sleep here tonight, and I'll go deal with the player Pitt in the morning. So and I'm tired, so I crawled back in my aserv.

35:40 And good bed. Make sure all the doors are lot. There's nobody out there. There's no human beings out there. And sometime during the night I get I wake up and I hear this sound, something bouncing off the top of my issue, off the roof. I'm thinking what, and I, you know, because it's the coast Coastal area, Coastal Alaska, I'm thinking about seagulls and you're dropping plans on me, trying to break them open. And then I realize it's mid one. I think it'll be out. So I listen and I hear these they're basically small pebbles. They're getting bounced off the top of my truck. And I'm not scared, and I actually didn't care.

36:34 I heard that if you let them do their thing, they get bored and leave, but if you interact with them, you know. They like that. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad. They just want to be interacted with. So I left them and I went to sleep, and everything was fine in the morning, and then in the morning I drove over picked them afar up then you know I left. Wow, you mentioned you heard them talking as well, Yes, can you de describe what kind of talking that you heard? All right, So I've been in the last for twelve years and I've worked remote villages, native villages, and you pick, and I can't think of the other one anyway, They're real common here, and you pick language. Where I used to hang out at work, that was common. So you pick, it's.

37:31 Already you know, it almost sounds Asian, but. It's it's it's its own thing. So these big things were sounding like they wanted. To speak in Yupik. They'd started, but it was like, you know, I've never heard that. It's it's a different cadence. It's super fast, and they sound really angry. That's the only way I can explain. And I only heard that from two guys. Those two males, I believe they're males. You know, I didn't see anything. I couldn't. But the two that were closer to me, the big laughing things, right, they were the ones that.

38:16 I heard speak, and I think they were talking to each other. Now on that was right before I least, And I'm like, now, so anyway, I have heard speaking. It's people or whatever speaking in areas that it's impossible. There's nobody there, and it's always this youth sounding thing. Wow. Usually women and children. They'd laugh and you know, they say. Their thing and it sounds like they're picking berries and they're really happy. But you know, I know. There's nobody there. I can go walk over it. I'd already walked past this place. It's glacier. It's like a moon out here in some places.

39:05 You can't die. There's nothing there, so you want fast, you know, sit down. I'm a photographer, so I you're ready to start taking pictures and I'm like you here, you. And you know there's nobody there. There's nobody out here. Would you ever go back to that area that you said is Grayling Lake or oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'll go back. I plan to go back here probably next month. And that's in the that's the Wrangles St. Elias National Park area is same area as we were talking about. Director. Wow, that's incredible.

39:46 So I'm in the Wrangle Saint Elias National Park right now and I'm indoors because it's rainy. I want to go out slap around. But you know, tomorrow I'll be out the same exact place I saw these two sides. Squatch. It's not far and I still have. To walk while you're headed out there tomorrow. That's not wow, that's incredible. I was out there yesterday. Oh you were Wow. Well, it's just yeah, I walk it all the time. You know. People say, well, they get this weird feeling, and I do a little bit when I'm out there, but it's it's completely not I can't explain it. It's not thriving at all.

40:31 It's just I don't think they give a crap about me. It just happened to be in the area. It's happened to be there. Yeah, I always walk alone. I'm always alone out here, and it's not it's my choice because if I have a dog, it's loud. I can't get my wildlife photos. A lot of people are bored because you have to sit around quietly, you. Know, an homemade blind or whatever. Yeah, it's considered boring. So what was your last question? Have you no problem? Have you heard anything that would be similar to anything that sounds like ape or a monkey or anything weird. Sometimes people say they hear stuff like hoots or givens things like that.

41:21 Yeah, I have heard the hoot from my gigantic given or whatever they call them, the things that scream, you know, the little monkeys and make ridiculous sounds. It did sound kind of like that a couple of times, you know, when I've heard the hooting. They don't like to do it over and over. It's like you'll hear in the background and you know, it never meant anything to me. I don't care. It doesn't I just don't care. You know, it doesn't register, it's not a threat nothing. I mean, I can't take a picture of it, right. Have you ever? Have you ever considered taking audio recorder out with you when you go to these areas?

42:07 Funny you may ask. I just got one, so. I love it. I'll be out there next month and I'm actually going to camp out my favorite place that they happen to, like the stream, and we'll see what happens. I don't think they care about me. I just I'm in the area. To me, it's like they're having a potlatch. You know what that is? Remind me. I think I know the gist of what you're saying, but I'd love to hear about it. So a potlatch or a pollow to the like maybe a lesser extent the natives. It's basically a celebration and it can be for different things. You know, Lord does what they're celebrating. But that's what it reminds me of.

42:57 Fascinating there definitely haven't on. If you happen to get some interesting audio, definitely reach out. I would love. I would love to hear it, and I can get you in touch with some guys that can really analyze it as well. If if Yeah, that's what I was looking for, you know. And the whole thing is, I can get the great videos. I take pictures, you know, flip arounds, I can, I can record the audio. You know, it's just fun for me. It's care, you know, pay for a friend of mine. And thank you. Ever heard this some once, but you know.

43:43 My life doesn't. I don't care, you know what I mean. I totally totally get it. I'm looking over your email real quick. And you mentioned in the email I think it was the Chuga National Forest. Yeah, is that is that the Uh? That that's the area where you had mentioned before with like the screaming and the laughing, et cetera. Oh, very interesting. And I've seen some I've seen some giant footprints dower really huge. Oh it's ridiculous.

44:27 I left. Uh. And then I did see some other tracks down there that I actually I was a fishing guide and I want my clients breaking out, so I squished them all lot. Oh you you would wipe away the tracks so you wouldn't freak out your clients. Yeah. Wow, n there's a lot of money to fly out there in that one. That's incredible. Fly out there and say, you know, look at it and go with that. You can't say I don't know. You're in the bush. They're with you. It's a one on one situation. They're gonna make sure you're there to make sure they live through this. They can have fun, do whatever they want as long as it's legal. But you know, it's me keeping the bears off them and showing them were a.

45:20 Fish big for society. Who will be right back after these messages? Sure it makes sense. That's really boring sometimes. I mean, you know, I got the belt. In that forest kind of does it kind of bump up against the Kenai Peninsula? No? No, okay, no, uh yeah, when you get a chance, google the Copper River and if you go down by.

46:09 There's a place I is where I saw the tracks near. It's called a Knight Island and it's within the actual Copper River. And Night Island. That's a weird. Place down there. Yeah, Knight Island. Now, I'll bring you into the Copper River basin Google. What is so weird about that area? Oh, that's a report from some locals about. Something like a circular a pool of light and it shoots up in the air, and that's going. Really yeah, you know.

46:50 If they can't make up Yeah, I know. And then the foot princes I saw were huge, and I'm like, I'm not going looking. I just got my truck and left. I saw a human mongus. Bear out there. I don't I assume it was natural. I've seen twenty bears, one hundreds and five thousands. Twelve sixteen up. You know, I've seen sixteen in the day. That's not a big deal. But this bear. If we were if we were standing on a pavement and this thing walked past me, it would be I'm. Five ten, it would be as tall as my back or it's back my head would be or maybe i'd be a little shorter. Hm hmm.

47:37 Stuff you don't mess with for sure. And I actually talked to the local law enforcement guy, you know, the federal force this cup and. I told him my son where I saw and he laughed and he's like, yeah, they get really big. He's like, usually people don't see him from utary some of congratulations. You in, Yeah, that's not what I'm looking for, man, right, Yeah, Oh, like, is there're a third species if they're out there? That's what I asked him. He's like, no, it just gets you know, they keep growing if they have food. Wow. Anyway, Joe, incredible accounts. Thank you so much for spending some time chatting about this.

48:23 This is better. Please if you hear anything, yes, i'llesome it to you. Fantastic and yeah, I definitely hope to hear from me in the future. But thank you so much Joe for chatting tonight. All right, Big Society, thanks for coming back for another episode. Got the privilege of talking to a new friend, Josh today. Josh contacted me over the Internet and he said he had some interesting stories to share about a bigfoot from his time growing up in Alaska. So how's it going tonight, Josh. Oh, it's going great. Uh, beautiful day. You know, I can't complain about that.

49:08 Oh absolutely it is. You know, we had some storms rolled through here, but now the grass is growing. Everything's nice and lush and we are loving it. So same out where you're at. Or well, I mean the weather's been nice. It's like it gets really like really hot and dry out here in the summertime, and the winter it's really like a mild, rainy, kind of easy winter. So I can't complain about that. But yeah, a little it's been. It's been at like. Because like how I grew up in Alaska and like the experiences that I had previously, like I'm most slightly more aware of my surroundings, and like I've noticed it's a little bit squatchy out here too, like little a little off putting, like to say the least, especially like because I still like to hunt and I've been drawing.

50:10 I drew a couple of great tags, and you know I had to, like, you know, on our way back from the beach off here in Oregon. Uh, the highway cuts across where my my tag was supposed to be, and I'm like just keeping an eye out just to just to sort of like size. It up, because you know, I don't. I don't like. To just you know, Willie Nelly all wander into the woods unless I know it's it's it's okay, you. Know, and lo and behold. Like just along the road, a big, big, hairy parlays come stepping out of the woods and stop at a like rock out cropping right at the edge of the highway.

51:02 So I'm passing by, I'm like, I gotta change my tag. And that that's what the for the most part, it's been like out here when you notice like the little the little things, the subtle things that people might not like pay attention to because they got their lives and all that stuff. But there there is a lot that goes along, goes on in like the woods surrounding like just about anywhere. I've noticed sometimes like animal noises and stuff. You know, you got your standards, like deer and like, you know, maybe a raccoon here and there, but like sometimes there's stuff that's out of place, and it sounds big, and it doesn't it doesn't sound correct, like it sounds.

51:53 Out of place. And it's been like an actual struggle to like psychomping or anything like that, just because I'm aware of it. All, have you ever do you experience that or have you ever experienced that? So, Josh and longtime listeners of the show could probably tell this story a little bit as well. But so I've experienced I would say maybe more class B type things in Iowa. You know, when we went out last year tainting myself and you know, I experienced a tree being pushed over in the woods in front of us wood Knox captured at night and then my tent was on zipped at three forty five am on a Sunday night when we were out on the woods. That still messes with me today. I've not really gotten over that.

52:44 And we are going back out there, and listeners can watch sasquatch a search for Sabe Tits documentary the Iowa episode you can find out more about that. So I've not yet heard a vocalization or actually seen a big foot, Josh, but I am getting closer, right. Yeah, If if you ever, like, if you say, go on YouTube or something, look up what the what a caribou's. Grunt sounds like? And it's like a certain kind of like like a like a like a grunt like almost like I've heard other.

53:27 Other people you've had on a show. Mentioned like a like a like a like a grunty piggy sound, uh like a huff, and then like a like a like a nasally like sort of like a deer we'll give a we'll give like a certain kind of grunt. A cariboo is much heavier and like they got bigger lungs and so it's much much louder. And my. What I've noticed is like if if they're if they're saying they When I've been in a hunting in Alaska for caribou, I thought that was a great sound at first, but then I was like, you know, I'm sleeping on the side of the road there, not even up in the mountains yet. I'm about to like hit the trail in the morning, and I've already got like a caribou next to my tent, and like I'm like looking at my revel. Okay, I guess I'm getting up. It's my lucky day. And then all of a sudden, I hear you know, a big.

54:27 Like heavy like like ah. Like and then like and then like they're just it's gone by the time, my mind zipping just like nothing was there. I'm like a caribou would just hang around and there was nothing, you know, and like this thing was like sniffing and grunting around the tent and I'm like, I'm like, is it a bear? Is it a caribou? I hope it's not a moose, you know. It's it's the stuff like that where you can't see directly what you're what you're dealing with, and there's like a handful of things and in the back of my mind, I try not to think about it. It's like they could be a squatch just like checking me out. And like I just felt funny, Like when I uh actually dealt with that, like it was a little terrifying, you know, because like you don't you don't know until you know, and then you got to get out and face the music and just see what's going on. And that's a little crazy. Yeah, I can understand. I can feel you.

55:41 Like if a zipper though, a zipper, that's that's like way beyond like you know, yeah, it's like it's like you're you're you're your safety bubble is like that thin vinyl like wall of the tent, and like like a zipper is like the one thing that animals can't really figure out but then something's like like, oh, my gosh, I don't know if I've been. Yeah, Josh, when you heard what whatever it is you heard in that tent and you heard it that tough noise outside, did you hear actual like do you think it was it something running away? Can you remember? Like, yeah, what sounded like it?

56:25 It sounded like it was like you could hear it's it's footsteps. It was like a, well, the roads are like gravel out in the back parts of Alaska, and so when something's stepping out there, it's it's gonna be make that crinkly noise. But the crinkly noise it made was kind of soft, and that that's what I've noticed. It's very It was very soft, like a caribou. It's gonna be a hoof, and it's gonna have like a a really pronounced like like step sound to It didn't have that, but it only had maybe I could hear it circling. And then when I started to unzip the tent, they gave the huff and then I could hear it like maybe like three or four steps, and it was it was like moving away.

57:16 And so then I. Got out and it was already gone like into the brush and that that now, looking back that stuff, I was like, that's way squatchy. That's very squatchy, and. That that's just like you know. The the like the like the not confirmed sighting kind of just I heard something funny kind of thing. But then like the the reels, the real stuff happened when I was a kid, like the the worst of it. I've been getting to that part. Yet, real so real quick. There's probably some people that are curious. Can you share anything about where the area was where you had that encounter?

58:03 Yeah, okay, if you if you go past Willow. Up into up the. The highway there there's a there's a place called Montana Creek, and I know that the the bears go there during this the silver salmon run to get the salmon. And up in the mountains there the caribou will be coming through to feed and the berries are usually starting to ripen. And but you can it is just north of Hatcher Pass.

58:45 It's just like pretty much on a map, you could see it's like kitty corner to too close to where I grew up and had my previous encounters. But if you just go on like Google Earth, there's something. Then you can find it. Just type in Montana Creek and it should just take you there. Most of the stuff that I experienced was just around those the Talkaita mountains there the but later on, I guess i'll just jump into that story with the tent. The after I experienced that, I decided I'm not gonna I'm not sleeping anymore. So I packed up the tent and I decided to just push on and just get out of the area. And so I packed up my little one man tent and I just hopped it down the road. I had my uncle drop me off there because I thought that's where the trailhead was. Turns out it was like another five miles down the road. So I had like quite a hig to the just the trails that just so I could get up the mountain.

1:00:03 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. My my main focus at that that exact moment was like to get into the high ground because I knew the bears were feeding on fish and they're gonna be in the low ground. And so I just decided after that, I was like I was out of there because I didn't want to contend with the bear. I was just I just wanted to get my get my bag and and go, you know. So I start hiking up up the mountain, get to the trailhead Montana Creek, start heading up there.

1:00:52 There's like a. Like a like a four wheeler trail that goes all the way up into the mountains and it just hugs the canyon to the Montana Creek below, and there's like waterfalls and all that stuff and big timber and look, I hiked for all morning, Like, I got up probably about four in the morning, hiked two got to the trail at about five thirty in the morning, and then I just started walking up. So right around eleven o'clock eleven thirty in the afternoon, I'm like, you know, really starting to have it, and I'm getting into the berries.

1:01:36 I'm like feeling better about everything, and I'm starting to see big rocks and all this stuff and a less sign of bear, and it's just looking a little, a little, a little better for me. So I'm like taking breaks and working my way up, and right right when I start to get to this bend in the trail where I can't quite see around the corner. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society. After these words from our sponsors. Uh, I just hear others like a ferocious like roar, like a like a r and like hof and a big like huff and then like a boulder the size of a basketball went like like just just over my shoulder, like I almost got clobbered by this big rock, like a big granite boulder.

1:02:40 And I could not see. What did that like, because like I've never had that happen before. I like stopped saw the thing and I ran up just just to peek up the corner, and the thing had already like doosh douche, dooche douche, and I saw like the ranches on the trees above the trail are like rustling, because it just like I'd just smacked through any sounded huge and about as big as a grizzly would be. So whatever it. Was, I'm like, looking back, I'm like, that was another experience. And that's like two in like a two in the morning.

1:03:23 That's that's crazy. And so it was big enough. I had a thirty odd to six rifle with me. It was big enough where I was like looking down at it, I was like, this is a pea shooter, like I don't. I don't need to be going up here. So I immediately didn't about face and just like walked back down the trail, called up my uncle and like had him pick me up and all that stuff. But if you're looking for a little excitement, go to Montana Creek. So there you go. Listeners and it sounds like you could be taking your life into your hands. Whenever you're doing Alaska stuff, you need to be well prepared, even probably beyond prepared, is my guess. I've never been up there personally, but from what I've seen and heard, it is an extremely wild place and you really only get a chance or maybe two chances when you're out there.

1:04:24 So yeah, on my way out, my uncles, I think you made the right decision. He said that there's been a there's been. Four or five hunters that have disappeared up there, and I'm like, after the fact, I'm like, oh, that made me feel so sick. I was like, all right, we'll just get out of here. And it just sort of put things in perspective when it comes to hunting, like you really do have to like look at the little things, like is there a lot of do people pull a lot of animals out of there, or do they pull very little? And why are they pulling very little? Is there something else eating the animals besides besides just like wolves and bears, because there can't be that many wolves and bears eating all the deer, especially if surrounding areas have like say fifteen hundred deer come out maybe five miles down the road in either direction. Yeah, this one only pulls out like twelve and then you see a pair of hairy legs, and you know what's up. You have to be going in there, and you just you gotta just be aware, more aware than the normal it's camp being as stressful. I thought it would relaxed me and stuff, but it's like it can be stressful and just in that way. Once you know what's actually out

1:05:54 there and it's like just cruising around it. It takes on a whole other level. It's like it's becomes way more real. And I've I've become accustomed to just camping and really crowded family camp campsites now where like there's too many people for they're gonna. Be trouble, you know, hmm, okay, interesting, So you have you stick to the groups for safety. Yeah, it's it seems it works okay, But even still, you know you got that in the back of your mind all the time, like thinking about like is it safe, because I'd like, do these people because I know none of them are looking out for that other sort of stuff.

1:06:47 They're just playing having a grand time. But they're making lots of noise, and I like when people are making lots of noise, that's the best thing. Have you heard of any other encounters happening in that Montana Creek area? Have you ever looked into that. I'm just curious. I haven't heard of anything. The only thing I heard was what my uncle told me, was that people have ended up missing up that very trail. So but but I do know that like farther south, I just like looked into like what's going on in the mountains, and like, as I understand it, this is all secondhand. I haven't like directly like asked any of the local natives, like if this is a true thing. But apparently the Willow side of Hatcher Pass is like they stayed out of that area because it was designated for the the the wild people, this assquatch out there, and and where I grew up was just south of that and uh down in the so just a little farther south you got Hatcher Pass. It comes out to Willow and just over that mountain is like Government Peak and then it like

1:08:19 slopes down and then you were at the Mattooska Valley. You got fish Hook Road, the little of the little sus Hito rivers. Coming out of the mountains. You got like a string of lakes and like it it was like just about endless forest all the way up to the mountains. And since then it's like they've a bunch of developers have come through and like just put in like like a hundred houses in there. But before that, when I when I was there, it was it was just like raw wilderness and it was like on the backside of a military reservation that like so nobody went went in there.

1:09:06 You know. The house I grew up in was like. Just just across the street from this this wilderness. And so there was a little creek in there, and there was like a few lakes that they were all connected to, and like it was like a blast, you know, you just look forward to just like going with your friends and just like cutting into the woods and like splashing around and you know wrestling and whatever, you know, boys stuff.

1:09:46 But at times like one one day, like the my brother and I went out to the backside of the lake and we had never actually been out there before, but it was like this little meadow that had grown in off of this little marsh, and we decided to just like slink in there and just check it out. It's just me and my little brother. We weren't very big, like I think I was like maybe ten, he was like seven or eight. Uh, you know, just. You know, playing with stuff, picking things up and looking at things. I think he was tiny shoe and squats down and I look over it and in the tree line, this was like the very first first time we saw something.

1:10:38 There was like just a huge sassquatch like in the tree line, sort of like his hands on like the highest branches and he's just watching us, but he's like rocking from side to side. And then once he realizes we saw him, he looked down in a wait and he just sort of slinked and disappeared. He got real low, super low, and like kind of like disappeared into the brush. And my brother was like, we need to get out of here, and I was like okay. And just the fact that, like I know people have mentioned that they have like a like a silvery shimmered to some of their fur. Would I've noticed about them is like they have an undercoat of like denser fur, but then there's like these like like a much lighter, wispier a longer coat on top of that. So that's like a more like so like two layers of fur. The upper layer is more like a it picks up the light. And when you're like say, if it's like it when the sun's starting to set and the dude starts coming in, it's harder to pick them up. They sort of ending with like the mist a little more. But like because the sun was still out, I was able to pick up the red in his fur is underfur, and it

1:12:12 just silhouetted him enough for us to pick it up and just notice them. And that was like the very first time, and so that we never went back to that area at least for a few years, but that that following winter. We hadn't mentioned it to anybody that following winter we were we found this little closer to home. We found a nice little like gentle sloping hill and we wanted to go sledding, so we went with our friends sledding down this hill. We get that. We get out there and we noticed these these tracks, these big tracks, and like either it's a bear a moose, and my brother and I both.

1:12:58 Knew it was. It was like probably one of those things. And I said, I think it's bigfoot. And the friends we were with were not having that stuff. There's just some people that just don't unless it's in the zoo, it doesn't exist, and don't got time or any of that stuff. And he's like, I don't believe you. I don't want to hear. It, blobby blose, like okay, whatever. So we dropped it. But the the trail led out from where that creek was diagonally towards the Anderson Lake, which is a the lake we lived next to. There's like three lakes there, Anderson Lake, Dry Lake, and then they removed the name of it. I'm thinking because of like real estate reasons, but it was called Mud Lake. And then there was like a creek network connecting all the lakes, and in there it was like rainbow trout and landlocked salmon and stuff like that. So plenty of food, you know, moves coming through there. It's like a very like like in terms of like stuff to do, stuff to eat. It's it's got everything that's bountiful. But we saw that the tracks went from our little hill coming out of the out of the bush diagonally across the street and towards the other side of the lake. And I thought it was odd, was like, why why would.

1:14:28 Somebody be. Just walking through there. He's like, they had snow shoes off. Let's just drop it and you know, it's stuff. Was like, you just sort of go with it, but like, you know what it is, right, And these guys have said, Hey, our neighbors having a barbecue, you want to come and join us, because we were going to go over there after we were sledding. I was like, okay, it's almost timed. You want to take a short cut. So took a short cut through the woods and we get through the woods across one lake, up a trail across the other lake to the backside of this guy's little barbecue he had.

1:15:13 So there's already like thirty people there. They're all gathered around this big bonfire in the backyard. They're cooking hot dogs and hamburgers and all this stuff. It's middle of winter, Alaskan's got a party. When they got a party, I guess. But so we show up and they're like, oh my gosh, and like the owner of the house is like, man, you kids are brave for coming out of there. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

1:15:58 She knew what I. Saw, And then I'm like, what did you see? And then like some of the neighbors like no, no, no, no, we want to give them nightmares and we don't want to tell him. And then he started talking about how like the howls he heard at night, and and I go, I was like, what kind of howls? It was like I've seen things, kids, you know what. I don't want to talk about it anymore. We let's not talk about this. And you're getting kind of frustrated because I kept throbing him. And we just sort of sat there eating hot dogs about this bonfire. This guy kind of just doing his memories, and like the mood sort of went from like laughter to a little like this weird awkward silence. Were just eating quietly and he said like, boys, I want you to promise me you'll never go back into those woods again.

1:16:46 I was like okay, and of course those kids are. We went right back into the woods like all the time that following summer. My brother and I were like it was a hot day and like we just got done visiting family and like we were sort of over it and we wanted to go and run around in the woods and mess around, and so we got to We asked permission, they said we could go, and so we jump across the street and start heading down the hill to like the creek that's there, and there's like a couple of logs that prift across across it, and it's like it's got like a nice little deep hole where I'd love to It was my favorite fishing spot, Like I just I would always catch something there.

1:17:43 We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors. And so I'm leading the way. My brother is like maybe ten feet behind me. He's on the hilltop. I'm at the bottom of the hill. On the log there's a I think this tree had fallen and uprooted a different tree, and I had like lifted up the root sort of the root masss of it, and so it was like blocking the creek and when I was like went onto the log, I saw this hairy leg step into the creek and like I'm like, oh, oh, is that a bear? And like my brother froze, eye froze, and like we just heard it like darting its arms around and just like quick like a cat, you know.

1:18:37 And then all of a sudden, you just hear see him like looked up ah a rainbow trout, and like he's just like and he's just like smacking on this fish like just like golf, like just making just. What does I macating on this fish? Like just it sounded like. Loud smacking, crunching, like chewing on a raw fish. And then he like we're sort of like trying to just like our brains are trying to wrap our heads around like what we're looking at, to make sure we're looking at what we're looking at, if it's a bear or not, or if it's another one of those things we saw, you know. And it stops for a second and it peeks over in the creek and I catch a flash of red eyes, you know, just a little bit, and then it backs in and then I think it a fish bumped it and it grabbed the fish and it starts smacking on another one, and then after it was done, it stood up because it was down on a like squatting down in this creek, and it had to been like it was a hole in a so it had been like four feet deep. It stood up and its head went way over the root mass of this birch tree,

1:20:09 and it was like his hair was messy. It wasn't bear shapes, and it was like black skin, like jet black black hair like straight, but like kind of messy. And I could make out the because it had splashed water all over its face. It was picking up some of the light and the sun was starting to set a little bit, so it was a little dark in the in that depression where the creek was at, but I could make out it, like when it was looking at us. We were looking at him, and my brother was looking at me, and I looked at him and he was looking for She was just like, are we supposed to be running?

1:20:51 You know? But I'm like just mesmerized. By this thing, Like just it puts out its hands and it moves the branch the way so it could get a better look at me. There's just like a little like birch branch. It just like huge long black fingers with the hair on top of the on top of the hand just like just like gently like moves the branch out of the way. And I'm just getting a full glimpse of this guy's head and it and it's the pupils were dilated so big. It was like about the size of like a nickel like on each side. So it was couldn't have been a person. It had to be one of those things, right, And it's like the hair is just crazy and it's looking I'm catching the light and I'm catching like the finer details. Look at the nose, like had really flared nostrils and uh, I almost thought it was a bare for a second, because the nostrils were so flared. But the they had like a bridge, a wide bridge on the nose and like the hairs on the on the cheek, which is it was like a human face, uh, but just below like the cheekbone.

1:22:07 The hairs came out to. A point up to the nose and they were like a lot loser, a bit more wiry straight ah and like with like a little bit of like you know, a little bit of water ripping off of them just a little bit, but like it really like the moisture really picked up on this game and were able to really see the gauntness of like the cheeks, those really lean like cheeks that they didn't have any he didn't have any fat on them. He was I guess he was hungry. But at that moment, it was like, Okay, even if it's not very we shouldn't be here. And my brother's like, we got to get out of here.

1:22:50 I was like, I looked at run and so we start running up the up the hill and that thing starts running too. Everyone's in the opposite direction, so it's like splashing through the creek. It gets onto the grass and then it gets super low. It's like doing a spider crawl. And I could and like I get up to the top of the hill. It's only maybe like thirty yards right, so it's not very far off the road. I stopped to look and to see it, like I want to make sure I can see it as it was like coming out where it went. If I'm ever going in these woods again, I wanted to see where that thing was going and it and I got to see it, like how it moved through and it's like it's such such a long reach with the with the arms, and it was just using the trees and the saplings to sort of pull itself through the underbrush. It pulled its massive body underneath like this this nasty spruce.

1:23:47 Tree, like a dried out spruce tree. I had tried to across that thing once or twice, and I like just get my shins all tore up, and I just stay off of that thing. That thing just busted through that just swimming, just swimming through the brush. And then it gets to the opposite bank and up next to the road and it climbs out and it is like massive, it's tall, hairy, like the whole. Thing was like it was just like head to. Toe hair and not long hair, just really frizzy like short hair maybe three inches uh for the most part. The longest part hair on the body was on the shoulders and on the top of the hands, a little bit up the forearms, the backside, like his his glutes, his little buns, they were like massive actually there, and they were like covered in a consistent hair.

1:24:45 And like he's just. Like one two like bounds and he's up this embankment and he's looking back at us and he just get goes roof. It just gives like a that grunt, that key away grunt, and he gives like about three of them, and he's like already running with his huge arms, like just long arms, and like what was incredible was like I could see how his shoulders because he was like slightly slouching, his shoulders were really droopy, really droopy, but they're super broad, and how he ran was like his body sort of narrowed and it really like slimmed down his profile when he was running because the mechanical I don't know. It's like his arms are swinging at an angle in front of him and his legs were like like criss crossing in front of itself.

1:25:42 And like he was like. Kind of been like like fifty fifty yards within like. Six or seven steps. Like it was just like he was he was like leap running essentially, he's like dooche dooch and he just gives out this ferocious howl. He's like oh, and like he just cuts into the woods right where we saw those tracks previously, and so I knew like that that's that was a big Foot and that was like right where we were playing, and like like there. There was no mistaking it. And like the whole time I'm looking at this, my brother is like yanking on me. We gotta go, we gotta go, and I'm like, it's like focused on it, and like I snapped out of it.

1:26:39 We run inside, you know. I tell the family. They're like there's a debate. Like no, they're only down south, I heard, And like my Dad's like, I've never seen anything or any of that. He actually worked up in the gold mines up in the tuck Eata Mountains and so he's been up in Hatcher Pass and all that stuff, and so he's been up in and around the whole area for decades before we came doing with this little story. So he didn't believe us one bit. And it was just like he just said, well, whatever it is, it ran away, it's not going to come back. And so I trusted him enough to just say, Okay, he did it. Did run away, So that was going to be it. Like I wasn't going to see anything about it. So then I sort of put it in the back of my mind and eventually, you know, you sort of forget about it a little bit, you move on with your life, and that part was sort of left me with like, you know, you have the occasional nightmare here and there, but you know you you always gotta check, you know, like you always look over your shoulder.

1:27:52 What year about did that happen? This was probably I would say this was about I would say Nanking or nineteen ninety one. Yeah, and you're about white age again. I am forty three now I'm about to be forty four, gotcha. Yeah, the I think a little while like a few years later, I'm you know, I worked at the courage to still go into the woods and all that stuff, and like our friends, we all would go mess around in those woods.

1:28:39 Even after all of that stuff, we're still bored, I guess. I would often take this trail that went between the two lakes, and it went diagonally towards a Wolf Lake, and that's an old military reservation that sort of like it is like butted up against the Takina Mountains and into right at the bit and the opening of Hatcher Pass and all that stuff. But what was I would often go up.

1:29:21 There and take my dog or whatever and go like grouse hunting with like a little twenty two. I did it all the time, and Uh. Sometimes, like this time that I went, I ended up leaving my dog behind because I just didn't want them barking. I just wanted them to like get the jump on the birds and you know, come home and everything. And like the dog got excited a lot, and you didn't like guns, and it was just a it was always a hassle. So I left the dog and uh, as I this this trail like straight through the woods for good ways for a couple of miles and then it opens up to this clearing where I think they were like head for whatever reason, like cut out the whole swaths of trees, like for.

1:30:18 Whatever reason they had. But like every time I passed this spot, I was like I noticed that the mountain looked really close. I was like wondering if I could walk up and like actually get to that mountain, and like decided, you know what, today is the day I'm gonna do it. Uh, And so you know, I'm I got my like I'm looking around making sure the coast is clear for me to just go off trail because it was so clear and you could see so far and it just seemed like such an easy little hike to like poke around and explore. So I just I just do it.

1:30:58 Big for a society, will be right back. After these messages, I. Get to. About two and a half three miles in, I get really I started to notice like the mountains getting pretty close, but it's so really far away, and maybe I i't to just turned back. I hadn't got into a lake, and I was tired, and I was like, it's this is good enough, this is neat, but I should get back.

1:31:41 And I turn around. I'm like right next to this cluster of trees and I can it things out at the point and there's like another cluster of trees like a little farther out and like than this like h houge of like clearing like a huge field, and like I look over and I see what it seems like a a guy and let a jacket just sort of walking like a lanky looking guy just walking through the field. And I in Alaska in general, like if you're out in the bush at any point, like there's a possibility you might run into a trapper, because like they did, they did, they do like work the creek systems and like they'll go up along the mountains and in like the back country.

1:32:37 We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And like they'll they'll set some lines every now and then. Uh, And so I assume that's what it was, just a trapper or some guy hiking around. So this guy, he's he's walking like like he's really just like swinging his arms like he's really. Tired. He looks a little slouchy. And then but I can't quite make it up because like the moisture off of the grass and the sunlight was creating sort of like the mirage effect, and so it was distorting what I was seeing. So I couldn't quite make out a silhouette until he got really close and I realized it wasn't the guy. It was another one was another sasquatch, and like it's walking right at me, and I'm like, he doesn't see me because I'm just just out a line of sight behind this cluster of trees. I'm looking. It's like if I try to go that way, he's gonna see me and he might try to follow me home.

1:33:48 And I didn't want that either, and so I just sort of hung back. I waited it, and I just had to really think, and I looked around, make sure nobody else when the others were on me or something, or I wasn't getting surrounded in any way, and it looked like it was just just a lone one just walking through. And I didn't want to, like me too aggressive or anything like that. I just realized, like I just have to be really calm and cool. It's like it's like, you know, you run into it like a bear, you go bear rules. You just be real calm, have real like stern voice, and just look big. And that's all I could do because all I had on me was like a little twenty two rifle. It was a little one Apache I think it was a Remittyan and Apache.

1:34:37 But I only have like three or four rounds left from like like missing shots, and so I didn't I had no way to defend myself. Really, I was really flapping in the wind, and I'm just like sort of make a decision to just just hang back a second and just see where this thing goes, and I might not have to deal with it. And I decided to. Like what my dad taught me was like when we were attracting caribou, you can go up to the herd and if you just like slowly squat down. It won't like see you right away and they'll think you're part of the terrain. And so I did that and because like they're not a prey animal.

1:35:23 He saw me. He saw me do this move, and then he immediately stops, looks and he just starts like makes a straight b line straight for me, and he's running on like this. He's covering ground like crazy, like like. It looked like a football player like just rushing me. And then all of a sudden, it's it gives like abound and a bound and then it leaps. It did like a long jump essentially, but like further than like you're like a normal long job. It was like it must have been like twice is twice the distance, but like it jumps, it lands and immediately goes into like a spider crawl position, and it is like puffing its cheeks and just breathing and like looking around and like like what's going on? Like look like like it was clear that I was not supposed to be there, and it was it was trying to like size me up and try to figure out what to do with me because I wasn't I wasn't moving. I stood backed up let him see me, and it was just like he was looking at me. Then he looked at the trees behind me, and then he's looking at me like he looks at the trees behind me. I look over and I see as soon as I break eye contact with him, he looks at me again and he starts with his long arms. He starts to pull himself through. He starts moving.

1:36:53 I was like, no, don't do it, don't do it. And he looks again and he like SLINKs in there. You can hear him just like crashing and I could see his arms grabbing like branches as he's like pulling and like sort of like swinging through and then like just crashing. Through the woods. And I was like, all right, I'm going as I'm going, and I start walking. I don't I don't run, but I'm like walking briskly to the to the other cluster of woods. And as soon as I get to the next cluster woods, I start running. And so as soon as I get out the clearing of this cluster of woods, he's already running up to the next cluster woods in front of me. He's already ready to intercept me, like he'd beat me to like the next field over, and it was just I was thinking he was just like messing around, about to come out of the bush or out of those trees behind me, start chasing me that way.

1:38:02 But he didn't. He back trucked. He went all the way around and like caught up with me, and he was ready. He was looking and he yanked the tree. He yanked the tree cleaned down. He just broke the branch right off. He's like rocking and he's just like trying to just keep his I guess, keep his composure. But he's like rocking and he's like getting real huffy, and I'm just like walking again. I'm like looking at him, making an eye contact. He's looking at me, and then he looks over again and I see what he's going to do. And like there's a choke point where there's a cluster of trees on the left and the one he was was on the right, and there was like this thin point where they come together, is about fifteen feet separation between the two, and I had to go through that, and so I start walking as fast, briskly, as fast as I can, and he darts into the woods and they can hear him just like hing through, and about midway he pops his head up and it's and then he pops it back down and I get through past the choke point, and I can hear him crashing behind me, and I'm looking over my shoulder at him to see what's about to happen, and like he gets within like ten feet of me, and he just stops. It goes dead silent, just dead silent, and I'm like thinking I'm about to die or get ripped apart or whatever, and like he

1:39:32 was on me and he just stopped, and I just kept walking and walking, and there was another big cluster and all of a sudden, I hear him. They come out and he's running to the next cluster of trees, but this one's much bigger. And I get in there and it's like a longer stretch and there's like a little like clearing inside that cluster of trees, and he's right there, right in the middle of it, and there's like trees like snapped over and bent and like something he's been thrashing over. Well, obviously it's been thrashing around in there. And that's that was his little spot, and I'm walking through essentially his living room and he's like hanging on there and like he's like just chomping his teeth and like I can't see that just top teeth.

1:40:21 But his bottom teeth we're sticking out a little bit. And he's just like looking at me, and I'm trying to maintain eye contact with him and just be as assertive as possible. And it broke eye contact with me, and it looked down and it's still like puffing itself up, but it's not making like it's like retreating its eye contact with me. And like looking back, I'm like, I shouldn't have been doing that. I shouldn't have. Been like making like direct eye contact like that, But it happened to work in that situation. But uh, most primates, it's like a challenge, and usually that means you're you're behind, you know.

1:41:02 But as I as I. Passed through, he's just sort of like rocking back and forth. And I passed through and there's a clearing just the field and I can see the trail and I get to the trail and I'm like about to hyperventilate, and I'm like, but I have to like run, It's time to run, And like I'm breathing I got my hands on my knees and I can. I'm looking down and I'm seeing like scattered bone piles of like like moose that have been like killed like previous summers. Like there was a lot of bones, and I'm just standing on top of this killed these multiple kill piles, and I'm like, I really have to get out of there. So I ran the hardest I ever ran in my life down that trail and got through and like never mentioned it to anybody, and like, I don't know.

1:41:54 It's just. I think I compartmentalize the whole situation because I remember going there, but I didn't but it was always like broken up memories and I'd never really made the connection of what had happened. I like I think I blacked it out and I only remembered it until it like like last month when my wife had was talking to me and we were driving the car and there was like the background of the light and like something something about the situation just like like created a snowball effect where I started remembering stuff and then like all of a sudden, I'm like really like piecing things together and it just like all just like like hit me, like I experienced this part, and like I didn't have any recollection up until just then of this part that that happened because I had remembered walking through the woods and like all this stuff. But like the the most intense part was like the the close up when when I was in that clearing where he was like making eye contact with me. He couldn't have been more than like twenty twenty feet away, and like the light was like dappled, and but you know you could see like his his

1:43:25 whole like fur pattern was crazy. He he had like like a blonde patch on the front side of his around like the brim of his face. His the skin on his face was was splatchy and like freckly kind of the hair was like a like a rich red there. The head came up to a point, you know, the classic sasquatch look. But like a lot of what I've seen in like a lot of the drawings, this guy didn't have. It was more like lanky. Uh. It's so muscular, but like elongated muscles, you know, like a like a like a like a long tube. Like you could see the muscles were there, but it was not like big bull g muscles. They were just strong, long muscles and like his reach was crazy. That guy I believe he was probably like about nine or ten feet tall. Uh. But the.

1:44:34 That that was, that was. That was probably the most intense moment, I mean of my life. But it, uh, it had left me with like I'd always often have like these these nightmares of like Bigfoot coming to get me. I didn't understand why until it was like I had like started piecing things together and it and it really is shocking, like how much my brain had like compartmentalized everything about it. And yeah, I don't know, it's just uh with the with a lot of this stuff, it it always kept a leveling of anxiety. You know, every time you go camping, anytime you go out, there's always like they might be out there, they might be just right next to you, you know, and it's it's it's unsettling because it's if they if they wanted to, they like you couldn't. There's nothing you could do to like really stop them. And uh, but like they the personality, it's like there was a difference in personality. I would say between the two.

1:46:01 Big for society will be right back after these messages. Like yeah, the black the black skinned one the black third one was very like very aloof, very shy. But this the red one with the blonde uh patches, I also had patches on his chest, but like the patchwork on on that one was crazy. But like the personality is more more aggressive.

1:46:56 We'll be back with more big foot society after these words from ours. Way more aggressive. Maybe I just surprised him and that's why he was aggressive. But like it just he was very much showing himself to me, and like it it seemed like to like polar opposites in terms of like personality. Josh, thank you for I mean that that is probably the most intense encounter I've I've heard, I would say across the board. I mean, first off, thank you for being vulnerable enough to share that that that is extremely extremely intense, And no one would ever blame you for not going into the woods or camping by yourself ever, Like that's hands down the best reason not too. I mean, I totally understand how you're camping in groups now, and it sounds like you're you're working through it, which is which is great.

1:48:00 Yeah. Yeah, it's like I I do have to like remember that like as much as like there's like an anxiety about like like not wanting to do things. I have to do things for my daughter in order for her to like really grow up and like be like like like a happy, healthy person, you know, and like and sometimes you just got to invite the big one and just like sort of deal with it and not sort of put that that that terror of that fear in her. But just like health, a healthy respect is what that was what I'm trying to get for her. But like it's it's real hard to like just like keep it together when you're like, you know, it's like you're just you're exposed, you.

1:48:55 Know, absolutely when you're going through that the whole situation with the creature chasing you. Thinking back to that time period, if you had to say, would you say you were getting more human like characteristics or aplate characteristics or was it something completely different than the two, I. Would say I've I've seen like people exhibit those those those behaviors, but like in terms of like like a connection, like we were both like I would say, it's more on the human side, like and just like the intelligence level was there, like the spark was there, and like the way I look at it, it's like we have all these modern conveniences. We can do a lot of things because we have machines to help us do it, and with them, it's like none of that.

1:50:03 So you're you can run. Faster, you can leap farther, you can move quicker, you can grab things quicker, you can get low, and you can crawl, and you can climb, and you can do all the things you need to survive and get up on like whatever you're trying to get. But to do that in like a subarctic environment where the winters are so harsh, like no clothes on, like it's crazy, but like if you look at the fur and all that stuff, it's just it's just they've adapted to just being outside. But the the.

1:50:44 Feet and like the hands, everything is very human, but the proportions are like like much tolerted. If I were I was like looking through like all the hammedid species and like the like I would say, like if I were to guess, I would say it's somewhere between like Homo habilists and Homo erectus, but with like the height of like chromagnont so like you're like ten twelve feet tall, but like still very like the face was like the bone structure and all that stuff, and like like it did have like like eight features, but it was more human than eight. It's like just a little human.

1:51:31 It's like. Just our side of on the evolutionary tree. It's just. But just massive, like tall, massive and incredibly powerful. But the but the spark of intelligence, the fact that he intercepted me, he knew what I was doing, and we're caught up in this cat and mouse game of like just observing each other and trying to maintain distance and all that stuff, and we're gauging each other. You can't get that with like a bear or anything like that. Or yeah, but they're they'll run or they'll they'll charge you, but this was totally different. Like he could charge me, but he didn't because he wanted to observe me, and we're both at this weird like standoff and it was that but just just knowing that.

1:52:33 Like they're. He was consciously letting me slide, you know, like he could have he could have reached out and just snatched me up in a second like it, but he didn't. And so I think that that's. That makes me feel better, Like in some ways that there's like a certain level of consciousness where like they're not just killing machines, like they're intelligent thinking creatures. Like it feels more like more like a person than than an animals, just like a superhuman.

1:53:15 I guess wow. I mean that that encounter alone, I think you would be set for you know, the rest of your life. I mean. Hopefully. I mean, I hope that's the worst thing that you've ever gone through. That was. That had to been extremely rough. Well, I mean. I went out too out here in Oregon the like after I did it a little, you know, you do do your research. You start looking at things and start piecing things together, and you start to realize like how much signs you were overlooking. And then once you once, once you start like once the veil is like like removed and you're really looking and see what things for what they are.

1:54:07 I was out in. Sun River just the previous weekend and I left my phone in the truck and it was pitch black out there. There's not a lot of light out there. It's like way out in the country. It's just south of Bend, kind of high desert, real dry, and I figured I was like pretty safe because it seems like they like to like hang out in like wet places and the creeks and whatnot. But it just. Something about it, like that pitch black. What I did was I just gave a little like whistle just to see if anything would react, and I could hear it, like something something started moving right towards me at an angle from like one hundred yards out like in the woods, stopping right before the road. And then like like three or four steps was like about thirty feet, like just something huge was like got to me. And then it was like starting to circle around me. And I said, I'm not about to be like go fumbling for my phone, and with the pitch black behind me, with a monster in the darkness, I was like, all right, I'll get.

1:55:27 My phone tomorrow. And I shut the blinds, cut closed every single curtain in that cabin, and like, just like I said, nobody's going outside, like why something out there? And like you know, you don't, you can't, you can't really just like break down and explain all this stuff to somebody that's just never experienced it, right, And so but like after that, like during that whole week, you know, like at one point point, we're coming home from dinner and my daughter and my life are like adding and talking about whatever, and like in the distance, I can I can hear something over about the river just going m m like just giving like a like a gentle like like who sound.

1:56:21 And it wasn't like a bird. It was like a primate, right, and but it was like a couple of miles down the road, but like you could hear it, and like I'm it's like you don't. I don't want to like just sort of spoil the fun to say, hey, daddy, hears some noises in the in the distance, like everybody's having a good time. I'm not going about to spoil the party. But like I went and checked out the I like to freak with the bigfoot sightings, like blotter map. I have one on my Uh. It's an arc G I s calm, oh.

1:57:04 Yeah, it's bigfoot sightings and density of the US with biomes. That's let's see. I'll send you the link. But I checked the down in your in Oregon. I checked the cabin and like. Not maybe like. About a mile mile and a half two miles away there were two like reported sightings just just south of the cabin. So it wasn't just like something in my head. I was just hearing things like stepping around and maybe it's just me being paranoid because I saw so.

1:57:48 Much, but. It was like close enough and in like there was like two sidings and they both are on line, and like with the cabin, so like I was clearly in the path of whatever it would be coming through, and like so it confirmed to me, like it had to be that, like if I'm hearing the hoots and I can hear it step and it's got massive, you know how you can, like with Cadence, you can like you don't have to see it, but you can hear it and you can tell that it's like it's big and sort of like I'm able to like that's saying and I'm tracking it through the darkness, right, But it like it confirmed to me, yeah, that that I was right.

1:58:42 They're out there. It's okay, and like you know, nothing happened, but you know it's it's just. You realize like with all the. I've been watching, I've been listening to your show for for a bit, and it's like there's just so many sightings and they're all over the place, and and I see these shows where they they're they're going deep, deep into the mountains and like getting reaction shots and like trying to like hunt down this thing. And and I don't think they need to go that far. Like a lot of people that find them are just like in their local park, Like I'm just off the trail, you know, or like some do. Some are way up in the mountains.

1:59:30 But it's like it's. Wherever there's water and whether there's food, they're probably there. It's uh, you know, it's like so it's out of your control, right, so you can't you can't do anything about it, but like you know, live your life. And so. I've just been sort of like trying to use that to like comfort myself. Really, I've been trying to to think in my mind of how to categorize you, Josh, because it's it's very interesting because it's almost like so I would say it's like you're a hunter, but you've had your eyes opened and you're very aware of what really is out in the woods. I don't know, is that would you agree with that?

2:00:21 Or you have to be you kind of have to be a hunter. So it's like sort of like so like like you can't just like go out and looking for bigfoot because you're overlooking the signs, Like you you got to know how to track, like judge the winds, You got to know where you're standing, like what's around you, and just that alone, like you should be able to, like if you hear something outside the tent, you should be able to identify what it. Sounds, like, what it is and where it's at and if you should be asleep or if you should be like pull in the safety off and like wait for the big show, you know. But it's yeah, I would say that that that's definitely like a good way to categorize it. The the whole, the whole thing is just like I when I when I look, because I grew up caribou hunting, we'd be glassing up on kills out in the tundra, and like if I'm out hunting with other people from say from the Lord forty eight, I'm I'm looking at deer that are like five miles away up on a hilltop and I'm able to see him move around, and it's like there's a deer and they're like, what are you talking about? And they have to pull out the glasses and see it, and then it's like, yeah, he's right cow. And like when you're hunting for moose,

2:01:54 they like to hide in like in the thick cuts of like spruce, like black spruce, and like they blend in really well. And so you have to like when you're driving down the road, you have to look for tracks along the road, but you also have to look into the woods, and you're sort of like studying as you as you cruise by. You got to look for anything that looks out of place, and like you're studying as you go. And then like after a while, like you you do it instinctively, you don't. Like when I was a kid, it was real hard. It was really taxing on the brain to do all that stuff. But after a while it becomes second nature and then you're just just seeing things. And now I'm at this point, yeah, where like because I've been raised hunt, I'm able to notice more and a lot of things are overlooked that are like just right under your nose. Like you probably had ten encounters and you didn't even know it, you know, But.

2:02:59 Yeah, it's fascinating to think about. I don't think you're too far off. I mean, yeah, it's how many things are happening when we're out there, we're just not looking at the signs the right way. Totally agree. Oh, one trick I've I've learned that really helps is if you do go camping, just like if don't don't start a fire, just put your back against a tree and just sit there and just at night and just let let everything sort of happen. And you're just quietly sitting there, letting nature walk by, all the little creatures coming through, Like is it a feel.

2:03:39 Mouse or is it a dumb truck? You know, Uh, you bring switches on and you notice a whole lot more after you do that, and say, the next time you do gogle camping, just do that. Just like sit in the darkness and like let your night vision sort of take over and just sort of listen to the sounds and don't talk. Just listen, listen and see smell and your brain switches on you and like after that you can smell more, you can see more, just more aware. I think if you're if you're in a city a lot, there's so much stimulation going on, your brain just goes numb to everything, and so you gotta stop and unlike shut down and just like sort of be present in what's happening right now.

2:04:37 That's that's fascinating to think about. I think I will be definitely taking taking that advice. Josh. This has been a very interesting chat, and thank you for being, you know, again vulnerable enough to share what's happened to you over the years. It is incredible, incredible encounters. Man. Yeah, it's like it's still you know, I'm still like. Piecing more together, but like. You know, so at some point you just have to like move on and just like let it happen, you know, like these things happened and it's okay. And if a lot of people they're they're skeptics, they're always going to be skeptics. They're just those people you just like, don't even spend your wheels, like, don't worry to waste your time on them. If they're if they're here, they're listening, they've seen it. There's enough people eventually the skeptics will will change their tune once some satisfying evidence is presented.

2:05:39 But like, there's just too too much going on for people not to like say, Okay, there's something going on, you know. Mm hmm. Absolutely, if anything does it, I mean, if you're fortunate to have additional things happen to you in the future. Please, by all means reach out. I would love to chat with you again, but it's been a really fun and enlightening time talking to you tonight. Josh. Oh yeah, I'm just glad you gave me the opportunity, because, like it's not something you can just like spout off, you know.

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2:08:29 Her and I can get out here, we can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to.

2:09:09 Tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you.