July 28, 2024

Surrounded by Screaming Sasquatch in the Alaska Rainforest! (Encounter Archives)

Episode released in Summer of 2023

In this thrilling episode of Bigfoot Society, we open the ENCOUNTER ARCHIVES and venture into Alaska's wilderness with Joe Morris and Josh as they recount their spine-chilling Bigfoot encounters. Joe shares his...

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Season 1

Episode released in Summer of 2023

In this thrilling episode of Bigfoot Society, we open the ENCOUNTER ARCHIVES and venture into Alaska's wilderness with Joe Morris and Josh as they recount their spine-chilling Bigfoot encounters. Joe shares his eerie experiences from the remote Wrangell St. Elias National Park, including close calls with Sasquatch and a menacing glacier bear. Josh provides vivid memories of his childhood and hunting adventures in Alaska and Oregon, detailing a harrowing first encounter with a Sasquatch in Hatcher Pass and a tense face-off with a mysterious figure. Tune in for an electrifying conversation filled with real-life Bigfoot stories that push the boundaries of the known world, perfect for any Bigfoot enthusiast or lover of thrilling tales.

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Ford Slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Big Society got the

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privilege of talking to mister Joe Morris from out there

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in the bush in Alaska tonight. How's it going, Joe?

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It's going well.

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Right now, I'm in Wrangle Saint Elias National Park. It's

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the biggest national park in the United States. It's fourteen

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thousand square miles.

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And that's over by the Yukon right kind of.

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We're below the Yukon. We're between well, we're in the

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middle of nowhere. That's why nobody knows this. So McCarthy,

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Alaska is the little tiny town that's inside this park.

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If you want to google it, that's the only thing.

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That's the only way you're.

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Gonna find me, gotcha, gotcha? So how far? How remote

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are you right now away from?

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Like that?

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Is it your way out in the bush? Is what

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it sounds like.

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Yeah, I am, Yes, if you wanted to look at

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a map, I am three hundred and twenty five miles

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from Anchorage and I don't know how far from Beldez,

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but those are the two reference points. So yeah, I'm

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on the bush way on the.

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Bush doing anything fun out there.

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A lot of height and looking around doing photography.

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We got a lot of bears this year.

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Okay, so it's mating season and yeah, I don't.

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Really want to be around him right now.

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Yeah, probably not. Watch it back, but it sounds like

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you've had some really interesting encounters in that park, and

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I loved it to talk to you guys, to tell

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me what kind of what kind of things you run

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across out there.

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Well, we have all kinds of bears and moose, and

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there's actually something that's more rare. I think that a

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sasquatch and it's called a glacier bear and mysel one.

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So they crawled up on me. I was not being

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quiet at all, and I had a campfire and it

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come up and looked at me, scared the crap out

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of me.

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I didn't know what it was anyway, other than that

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I've seen one sasquatch within forty yards in the sunlight,

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as clear as if you were standing there. What happened

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is well, I can tell you the whole story. You

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want me to stir from it again, okay. So I

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was working at a lodge in Macarthy, Alaska.

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Not hard to find out which one it is. I prefer.

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I don't know what to say. I don't really want

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the attention drawing to the lodge. It has nothing to

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do with it. But I happened to be working there,

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and it was late probably August, maybe July, I can't remember.

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And a friend of mine works here, and he you know,

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we were just burn out because it's a lot of work.

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It's only open first yeart amount of time, then you

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got to close it down open again next year. So

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we were wiped and I said, hey man, I'm going

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up to the toe. I don't want to walk. I'm

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going to grab my truck. You want to go, And

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he's like yeah. So the toe is the end of

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the Root Glacier, and the Root Glacier is built are

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Ot and it's the glacier that happens to be about

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a mile and a half from where I'm sitting. So anyway,

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we run up there and you can hear it melting,

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and once in a while you'll see calves, and you know,

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it's cool to watch. It's pretty, and it's cooler because

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it's summertime and you got wind coming off the ice.

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and I'm in this old beat up Toyota and I

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you know, both of us have done this trail a

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million times. So we're going up this trail and I'm

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going really slow just in case there might be somebody

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or bears jump out or whatever, because we're running bush

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and I'm cruising along and I come up just to

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a tiny rise, not really a hill, but as I do,

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I see this black head and it's smoothly crossing in

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front of us. I was going to the way it

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was moving. It was smooth, it was not like a

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bare walks a moose walks. Nothing walks that smooth, and

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I immediately got an ice cream headache, and I said

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it's a big foot. And my buddy wasn't even paying attention.

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He's like what. I stopped and I said, look, dude,

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I think that's a big foot. And it walked behind

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the hill, you know, the slight rise, so all we

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could see was like, I don't know, most of its

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head as it floated by, and it looked like it

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was floating. So I get up there with the truck.

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I'm like, well, we're gonna go find it. So I

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come up over the rise and he's not there. Whatever

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it was wasn't there, So I told Neil, uh, don't

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slam in the car door.

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So I pull up into the brush a little bit

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and stop.

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We opened the truck doors, and I'm always armed with

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a ten milimeter sig and he happened to have a

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AR fifteen, which isn't great for bear, but it makes

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a lot of noise. So I said, hey, if you

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go down about sixty yards and circling in the bush,

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once you go in, I'll go in and maybe you'll

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chase it to me. Whatever it is, I thought, it

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was a wounded bear. I did not, you know, last

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thing on my mind was really a zasquatch. I'd never

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seen one. Don't really care about him, and he did

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so when he walked in, I started walking in and

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I walked in just past the brush line kind of

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and I stopped in the shadows. You know, I wanted

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my whole life Neil. He kind of walked in and

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made all kinds of noise stomping in there, and he

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stopped and I heard him kind of make this weird

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noise and he gasp, and I looked over at him automatically,

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and I had already scanned the area looking, but I

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heard him gasp, and I looked over and before my

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eyes could get to his area, I realized there was

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a person standing there about forty feet away.

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To me.

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This thing looked about six foot five. It was well built,

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had the deep shaped body like a you know, like

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a linebacker or whatever. And it wasn't looking at me.

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It appeared that it was looking, well, it was not looking.

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It wasn't facing me. Its body basically was facing three

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quarter away from me. So I was seeing the left shoulder,

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ear back, you could see the leg, but I couldn't

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see its face, and it was like almost doing it

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on purpose, is what I got. Right way wouldn't look

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at me, kind of glanced at me, and when it

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did it's eye I couldn't leave it. The eyeball had

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a little bit of yellow, like our white eye here

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you would be. But this thing, you know, it's sunlight.

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My glasses have I have these automatic darkening glasses and

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they have darkened down and I look at those things

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eyes and the pupils are enormous. I mean it's all

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pupil and I'm thinking, how can this thing see in

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the sunlight? You know, even in owls eyes closed down

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quite a lot the regular in the sunlight. That's not

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like they're totally blown out like they do at night.

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And that's that was shocking. And then the next thing

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that freaked me out while I was completely in shock

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kind of, and the next thing it freaked me out

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is the way it ran. This thing took off with

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no gameing of speed like you know a bear wood

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or a human. This thing took off from zero to

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sixty It appeared to be sixty miles an hour instantly,

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and we went about seventy five yards, jumped over some

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trees that were down, and then took off again, like

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sixty miles.

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An hour, and that was it. That was the end

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of it.

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So I walked back to the truck and Neil comes

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back and he's all excited. He's like, hey, I saw

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a bigfoot. I saw a bigfoot, And I'm like, what'd

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you see? And he says, I saw a human shaped arm,

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except for it was too long, and this thing was

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walking or running and he saw the arm swing.

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Well, that's not what I saw.

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I saw the whole thing and picks up for its

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face and I don't know what gender or whatever, you know,

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a female. So anyway, it didn't really last long. It

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was gone. So we stood by the truck and talked

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about it a little. We actually drove out to the

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toe again, you know, kept going hung out and come back,

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looked around and went on there. So that was that.

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That was twenty seventeen. And it didn't keep me out

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of the woods. There was no violent encounter or whatever.

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You are scared to go back in the woods. It

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sounds like you're pretty no comfortable with the woods.

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Oh yeah, yeah, no, I go back in there. Yeah

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I did that. It's not like I'm going to see

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another one. Well, you know, I'm fifty five years old.

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Well back then, and he goes, it's fifty. Yeah, fifty

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is about right. I'd never seen all my life, you know,

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a chance of seeing another one or zero.

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And then I saw another one five years later, right,

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and it was enormous.

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The first encounter that you had, did you notice anything

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but you saw the back of it? Sounded like, do

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you notice anything about the shape of the head at all,

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anything around that part of the No, the big foot.

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All I saw.

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Is if well, my son is foot, it's six foot seven,

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So in my mind, there's things a couple of inches shorter.

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Its shoulders are probably the same, with maybe a little

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bit more, and it was very muscular.

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As far as it's head.

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I'm prior military, and if you take people and you

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shave their heads like they're in the service, or even

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really short hair, you can see the shape of it. Yet,

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so this thing's hair wasn't that long on its head.

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I would say maybe two to three inches at the most.

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And its head was like a human. It was a human.

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You know, in my mind, this is a person. Stand now,

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and I had a guy in my hand, so I

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stepped out and I saw the brown fur. And I've

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been around Alaska a long time, so I immediately drew

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my pistol. And then I realized what I was looking at,

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and I thought in my mind, immediately this is a person.

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So I put my weapon away immediately I looked at it.

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I'm guessing the immediate reaction to pull your pistol would

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be because you see that color, you think it's bear

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something like that.

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Absolutely, yeah, yes, everybody.

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Way, I can't say everybody, in my opinion, the people

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that spend a lot of time out the outdoors here

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in Alaska, they do it armed.

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Sure.

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You look at all the villagers when they leave their villages,

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they're armed. So it's natural to be armed here. If

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you don't, you're going to be in baar bait.

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Absolutely. From things I've seen about Alaska, you do not.

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You don't get many chances to mess around, for sure.

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You get made what chance in that sense, So that's right.

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You make one mistake out here, especially when you're alone,

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like I go and you're done, it's over. So you

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just gotta be careful. So anyway, that's so, I know

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you want me to talk about the next one.

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The five year later, Real quick, before we get to

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that that area you were in, were there ever any

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stories you heard of other sightings or was it a

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pretty unique thing for the area that you were in.

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Well, I didn't, you know.

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Of course, this has started me on my big sasquatch

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sure adventure of the Internet trying to find information. So

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you know, beforehand, I didn't really care about them. I

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never heard about them. You know, I'd heard about this

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thing called lacoustica, but it wasn't a bigfoot.

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It's the auto man exactly.

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So I'm in you know right now, and I'm about

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a mile a mile and a half from where I was,

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and I'm England one hundred and twenty miles from the

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gal or the coast, So there's no clucic he here,

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That's what I'm saying. Gotcha around the coast and anyway, Yeah, continue,

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there's the answer.

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Yeah.

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So afterwards, yes, absolutely, I found out lots of things about.

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This area of it.

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Five years later than you had, another thing happened to you,

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which is totally unexpected because you're only expecting maybe one

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in your lifetime.

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Yes, correct, Yeah, I mean it's not realistic because I

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think you're going to see another one. So anyway, yeah,

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I saw another one last year. And then the other

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one is I saw a disappearing stump in the same area.

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Interesting, a disappearing stump.

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Yes, and I can explain that one. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I've had back problems and their service related, so

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I've had you know, treatments in my back. Unfortunately, it

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left me unable to walk for a while. So when

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I was able to walk, I walked all over the

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place like the doctor and the physical therapist set. So

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I walked from about where I am down to the

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the tow road, walk in there, walk all over the

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place on uneven surfaces because that's what the doctor wanted

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me to do.

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Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

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And then when I was about I couldn't do it anymore,

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I'd walk back home back here. And I did that

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day after day after day after day. It's just physical therapy.

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I have to if I want to walk, I have

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to do it. So I walk this trail over and

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over every day. And in Alaska this time of year,

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it doesn't really get dark, it's more plylight. So I

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walked this trail and I'm headed towards the tow and

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I've looked at this same trail and everything in it

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a whole bunch of times, so everything's basically memorized. And

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as I walk up, and I'm a hunter photographer, so

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I can tell you it's not really supposed to be

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in place. If I saw a place and something changed,

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I can pretty much tell you what it was. My

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brain will tell me there's something change anyway. So I'm

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walking down this trail and I'm looking to the right

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for no reason, and I see this big black stump. Now,

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the toe of the glacier is where the glacier is receding,

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meaning nothing can grow there quick enough. That would be

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a three foot stump or more. That's impossible. What's the

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Thing's petrified? And I've walked this area whole bunch and

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I've never seen it. So I stop and I look

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at it, and I light up a cigarette and I'm thinking,

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you know, I'm tired anyway, because I'm hurting, and I

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look at this stump and I'm thinking, well, I'm going

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to go say what is this thing?

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It's weird. It shouldn't be here.

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And I walked towards it and my feet get tangled

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in the brush. I look down, you know, get them

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untangled and keep going, and I look up and it's gone,

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oh boy. And one thing I hadn't told you is

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while I was watching this stump before I walk towards it,

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it opens its eyes so on the side of the stone.

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Its eyes opened really, and I was shocked, and I'm like,

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what does this? So I thought whatever it was would

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get up and run away, and that's why I have

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this standing there slowly smoking this letter.

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I look at this.

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Thing and it was probably it wasn't far at all.

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I don't know how many feet it was a ways.

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You know, I'm a bowl hunter. It would be an

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easy shot, so twenty five thirty yards so I'm like, well,

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and then it closed its eyes and it turned it

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into it. You know, you couldn't tell it wasn't anything else.

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I'm like, well, I'm gonna go find out what it is.

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So I got a gun on with no big deal.

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So I walked towards it, get stuck in the brush

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a little bit. Look up, it's gone, no sound at all.

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Hadn't rained it a couple of days, and I'm like, well,

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if I walk in there, it sounds like, I'm you know,

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walking through a bunch of brushed up peanut shells or

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something both. So I'm like, well, this is weird. So

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I walk back in there anyway, and I look around

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for fifteen to twenty minutes. I look up in the trees,

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I look at the ground. I'm fairly good at tracking,

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nothing's disturbed. And I'm thinking, wow, what in the world.

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So I walk back to the road with the trail.

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I walk down to the tow do my thing, and

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walk home. And as I walk home, I use the

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same trail and I keep, you know, I keep looking

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to my left, which is where that area was, and

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I see nothing, no big deal. So I go home,

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and you know, next day, I get up and I

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have to go walking. So eventually I go walking in

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this day, it's later, so it's probably eleven o'clock something

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like that, and I go walking because I put it off.

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It iterates I don't want to do it, but I

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do it. So I go out there and the same trail,

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and I keep looking to the right because that's where

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I saw the disappearing stump. And I'm walking along looking

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for this stump looking thing, and I stop because something

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tells my brain, well, something's out of place. So I

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look and I'm studying the area and I hurt really

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done at at that point, and I'm scanning the area

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and I'm like, well, I'm not gonna spending much time

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on it, and I'm about to leave and I look

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over and behind this spruce tree that's about twelve feet

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high is Oh, it's like like a traditional bigfoot stand there,

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except for this was jet black.

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Jet black.

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You couldn't see anything light coming often and it was

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still a little bit light. It's bluish light here and

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it didn't move it. I couldn't see its phase. I

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didn't know if I was looking at me here looking the

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other way. I assumed I was looking at me. And

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it was enormous. It was twelve feet tall five five

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and a half feet wide, and it's like my brain

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didn't register.

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What it was until it did, and it was like.

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So I raised my right hand and I said, hey,

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big brother, and I turned and I walked away and

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walked down the toe and did my thing.

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Wow. And eventually I came.

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Back because it's really the only way to get home

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this way. So I come back and I freaked out.

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I'm looking behind me and stuff. But it did seeing

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the bother it, you know, I got this feeling that

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was watching the trail.

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They didn't go a crap about me. Anyway.

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I walk back that area and I'm really worried, and

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I keep looking all over the place, especially to my left,

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and I see nothing.

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I was the end of it.

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I find it really interesting the reaction you had when

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you saw it was, you know, to raise your hands,

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say hey, big brother, what was it that you think

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that that made you do that reaction? Was it something

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you'd heard previously or is it just it just came

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out of you now?

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Because uh, in twenty seventeen, you know, I went on

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the rabbit hole for information about what i'd seen because

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I didn't know what i'd seen.

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During that time.

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I'd learned that if you get int, you know fairly

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close to these things. And in my opinion, since I

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saw on in the first time, and I've listened to

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the native tales and learnings, they say they're people. So

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somewhere I heard, hey, that's proper greeting. You should say, oh,

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big brother, I leave, or you should say more to it.

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But for me, that was all I could do, and

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that's what I.

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Did when you were doing research into this the years prior.

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Were you going directly to those that you may have

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known around you, or was this you know things online or.

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Both mostly online. I know Native Stone and well throughout

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the state, but mostly down by the Copper River area

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at the basin, and the two people I knew well there.

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It's a man and female, and the man is not

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from Alaska, and the lady is from western Alaska, so

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her knowledge would be limited to Alaska, of course, but

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more specified in that area. I did talk to the

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gentleman and he did not like talking about it.

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In general. He doesn't care. Then he'll tell me areas

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that he he just.

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Cannot sleep overnight because we both camp a lot, he

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does more than I do now, but we'd always be

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on our rigs, camping, you know whatever, always out of town.

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And so he tell me the areas he couldn't sleep,

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and which I find weird because the guy can, you know,

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he's just out doorsman in the Native Park is regular

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sleep anywhere, kind of like I do. But there are

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basically three places down you know that I cannot sleep them.

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I've tried, but you can't.

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Are those areas you can mention or there's just random

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areas out in the bush.

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No, I can mention them.

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I don't really want to get specific because I don't

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want to mess with the people in the area.

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Oh oh yeah, definitely not.

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Yeah so, but you know, one of them, I didn't

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see anything, but I've heard things. And then the other

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two they're just creepy, dude. I mean, I can go anywhere,

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sleep anywhere. It doesn't bother me. There are two places

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other than my favorite place that are just creepy.

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You know. It's a deep, dark rainforest.

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There's absolutely no light because the fulliage grows over and

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if you usually have cloud cover and if you get

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a moonless night, it's like being in a cave.

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Wow.

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You mentioned you've heard some interesting things in certain areas.

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Have you ever heard like vocalizations things like that? What

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kind of things that we heard?

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I ever glad a few the things.

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The strangest thing is I was done by this place

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called I call it the Graining Pond, and it's probably

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eighteen miles from a little village and back in off

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the main road there. I don't know how many miles.

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It's a little log and trails you follow if you

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don't know when you're going to get lost anyway. So

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I'm part next to this graining pond and I got

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one of those solo rangers.

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Going.

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It's a pier pit and sitting on a lawn chair

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kind of thing, camp chair on my fe go on

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a table with a head laid on, and I'm reading

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a book and it's nice and mist eve. You know,

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it's rainforest, so it's simple.

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Anything used to it.

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So I'm sitting there reading this book and I hear these,

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you know, owls. They're not uncommon, and.

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But first I hear.

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Radius and I'm like, why are radums up the seven night?

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So they shut up, and I kept back went back

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to reading, and then I heard owls, and the owls

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they didn't sound right. There's too many of them. You know,

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if you hear an owl it's alone, it may have

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somebody else with it, you know, another owl, but it's

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in another area.

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Hunting just like it is. They don't hunt together.

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So I'm like, well, that's strange. There was like three

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of them, and I thought that's weird. Maybe it's breeding

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season or something. So the who's don't seem correct.

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And then one of the.

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One of the who said, I'm here sitting back reading

460
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the book, not really caring, paying attention, and this who's

461
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.680
turned into like the loudest scream from a woman you

462
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:28.920
will ever hear in your life. And it was ridiculously long.

463
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.119
And I put the book away and I looked around

464
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:32.640
because I'm on.

465
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.279
The villa nowhere anything you walk up and eat me.

466
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:38.480
I don't have a sense or anything around me. And

467
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:39.599
I'm like, what was that.

468
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.799
So I sat there for a while and I said, well,

469
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.880
I'm going to listen to this, and another one doesn't.

470
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.960
And another one doesn't, and I'm like, wow.

471
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.640
And they're not that far away. They're like to me,

472
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.680
they were like on the backside between me and the

473
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.079
sound is a grayling pond and.

474
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:02.799
An opener.

475
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.200
You know, it's kind of an open area. It's tundra,

476
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:07.759
and then it goes up onto the side of a

477
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.480
mountain and to me, they sounded like they were way

478
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.880
back up the mountain, but they were really loud.

479
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.519
Still thought, well, that's weird, and it was a little

480
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:19.039
freaked out.

481
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.160
So I sat there and you know, nothing really happened,

482
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:29.440
and then the ravens kicked off again, and then uh,

483
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.640
and then we heard or I heard coyotes and I thought,

484
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.240
this is really weird. There is no way this is

485
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.880
going on this taburite, there's nothing out here to draw

486
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:40.599
them to where I am.

487
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.160
At the time, there was a rivers, two.

488
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.039
Two rivers, small rivers I had afford to get to

489
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.400
where I was, and they were packed with salmon. That's

490
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.400
a great time to go camping because nothing's going to

491
00:29:54.440 --> 00:30:02.319
mess with it. Like weeks in, eventually these things are screaming.

492
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.519
They sound like coyotes, and then I turn into people yelling,

493
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.440
and then there's multiple ones going off at one time,

494
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:16.640
and then I hear this one and it is so

495
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:23.160
loud it cannot be explained. It shook my entire body.

496
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:29.279
It fired off with this crazy scream like a lady.

497
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:35.400
It was really really loud begs.

498
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.880
A society will be right back after these messages.

499
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.720
So it's this I don't even know how to explain it.

500
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:04.400
It's this piercing scream like a woman that's really in trouble.

501
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.839
And then it turned into kind of a man he is,

502
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:19.039
you know, murdered, and that turned into like this animalistic

503
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.079
screen and it was almost all I wants. It's really

504
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.440
hard to explain, so I'm out there in the woods

505
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.880
and I'm it's dark as it. I mean, if I

506
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:29.519
shut my light off, I can't see anything.

507
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.000
And I'm like, wow, I think it's time to go.

508
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:42.160
I load, I load my chair into the truck, and

509
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:42.960
you know, do.

510
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.720
My little make sure everything's picked up well, the fire

511
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.559
pits do ot to doing it any too. I don't

512
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:48.759
worry about the right fours.

513
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.400
It's not gonna burn. You're not gonna have a fest

514
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:51.880
far then.

515
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:57.200
So I get in the truck, and the way my

516
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.920
SUV's made, I can look backwards with the doors open,

517
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.640
and I have a chair back there where I could

518
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:03.400
just chill out.

519
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.839
In and read. So I was I'm like, well, at

520
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.400
least they'll be in here. So I shut the.

521
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.039
Two doors and I had the window book and I'm like, okay,

522
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:12.559
I want this.

523
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:12.880
Is this?

524
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:15.880
So they kept screaming.

525
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.880
They kept repeating the same similar screams up on the

526
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:22.440
mountain or.

527
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:23.480
Between the mount and eye.

528
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.079
And then there were like two huge ones that seemed

529
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:32.359
to have flanked me on each side. And what they

530
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.839
would do is when they would scream, it was.

531
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:40.759
Mostly the one on my left side. When this thing.

532
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.720
Would scream, it was like in competition with the others,

533
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.759
and it screamed so loud and it was you wouldn't

534
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.640
believe it. I mean, if you did, if I hadn't

535
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:59.079
heard it, I think, yeah, dude, you're sure it was loud. No,

536
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.759
this is like louder than an.

537
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:02.880
M sixteen report.

538
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:11.160
But it kept going and going, and finally the one on.

539
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:11.880
The right started.

540
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.759
So I got these two gigantic things I can't see,

541
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:20.759
and they're hollering like nothing I've ever heard. Just that's insane.

542
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.440
So I'm like, well, I think it's time to leave again.

543
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.400
So I crawl over and I'm about to shut the

544
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.960
hatch and just crawl on the front seat.

545
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.200
I'm not going outside.

546
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:40.119
And then the one on the left started laughing, and

547
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.359
it was this I can't produce it, but it was

548
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:49.160
this deep, truly laugh and it started like.

549
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:51.599
But then it.

550
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.720
Turned into like this demonic laughing.

551
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.160
And it was incredibly loud and very deep.

552
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:00.960
And then the one on the right. So I'm between

553
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.960
these two things, and I'm thinking I should be terrified,

554
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:12.639
but I'm not. And I started laughing along with these

555
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.519
two guys or whatever, and I say, you know, there's.

556
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:17.960
Something wrong here. I got to get out of here.

557
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:20.239
So I listened a little longer, and I've been there

558
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.480
maybe forty forty minutes at the most, something like that.

559
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.119
I don't know since they started talking all what they

560
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:31.119
talked too. And I shut the hatch, and I'm like,

561
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:36.840
I can't deal with this. I'm going somewhere else. I'm

562
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.840
not super freaked out. So I crawl on the front

563
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:42.679
and I drive towards this glacier that's hard to get to,

564
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.519
and it's behind the kind of behind a ridge, the

565
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.880
same ridge I think they were yelling from.

566
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.440
But it's kind of on the backside.

567
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.480
So I parked there and I get out, you know,

568
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.400
end up being so I got in woods and you know,

569
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:58.320
there's no woods.

570
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.000
Now, it's all open glacier scrub.

571
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.239
So I can see and I get out, look around

572
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:10.440
my light, do my thing and listen, and I don't

573
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.079
hear anything but the glacier ice moving behind me, which

574
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.920
is absolutely normal. You know, it's about to set. Some

575
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.360
of them are the size of the car, or some

576
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.679
of them the size your fists, and when the wind blows,

577
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:27.079
they make they bump into each other. So I'm thinking, okay,

578
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:31.920
I'm going to sleep here tonight, and I'll go deal

579
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.480
with the player Pitt in the morning. So and I'm tired,

580
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.880
so I crawled back in my aserv.

581
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.719
And good bed.

582
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.480
Make sure all the doors are lot. There's nobody out there.

583
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:53.639
There's no human beings out there. And sometime during the

584
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:59.920
night I get I wake up and I hear this sound,

585
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.880
something bouncing off the top of my issue, off the roof.

586
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.039
I'm thinking what, and I, you know, because it's the

587
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:13.360
coast Coastal area, Coastal Alaska, I'm thinking about seagulls and

588
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.840
you're dropping plans on me, trying to break them open.

589
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:19.599
And then I realize it's mid one. I think it'll

590
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:24.079
be out. So I listen and I hear these they're

591
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.840
basically small pebbles. They're getting bounced off the top of

592
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:33.199
my truck. And I'm not scared, and I actually didn't care.

593
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.679
I heard that if you let them do their thing,

594
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.199
they get bored and leave, but if you interact with them,

595
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:42.760
you know.

596
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:43.320
They like that.

597
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.280
It doesn't matter if it's good or bad. They just

598
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.519
want to be interacted with. So I left them and

599
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.039
I went to sleep, and everything was fine in the morning,

600
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.159
and then in the morning I drove over picked them

601
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.679
afar up then you know I left.

602
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:04.239
Wow, you mentioned you heard them talking as well, Yes,

603
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.360
can you de describe what kind of talking that you heard?

604
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.400
All right, So I've been in the last for twelve

605
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:19.960
years and I've worked remote villages, native villages, and you pick,

606
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.840
and I can't think of the other one anyway, They're

607
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.880
real common here, and you pick language. Where I used

608
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:31.840
to hang out at work, that was common. So you pick, it's.

609
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.119
Already you know, it almost sounds Asian, but.

610
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.000
It's it's it's its own thing.

611
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:46.159
So these big things were sounding like they wanted.

612
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.239
To speak in Yupik. They'd started, but it was like,

613
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.559
you know, I've never heard that. It's it's a different cadence.

614
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.639
It's super fast, and they sound really angry. That's the

615
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.800
only way I can explain. And I only heard that

616
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:03.840
from two guys.

617
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.239
Those two males, I believe they're males. You know, I

618
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.159
didn't see anything. I couldn't. But the two that were

619
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.800
closer to me, the big laughing things, right, they were

620
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:16.400
the ones that.

621
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:18.559
I heard speak, and I think they were talking to

622
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:25.159
each other. Now on that was right before I least,

623
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.159
And I'm like, now, so anyway, I have heard speaking.

624
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:37.760
It's people or whatever speaking in areas that it's impossible.

625
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:44.519
There's nobody there, and it's always this youth sounding thing.

626
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:49.119
Wow. Usually women and children. They'd laugh and you know,

627
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:50.119
they say.

628
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.400
Their thing and it sounds like they're picking berries and

629
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.079
they're really happy.

630
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.239
But you know, I know.

631
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.559
There's nobody there. I can go walk over it. I'd

632
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.280
already walked past this place. It's glacier. It's like a

633
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.159
moon out here in some places.

634
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:06.000
You can't die.

635
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.119
There's nothing there, so you want fast, you know, sit down.

636
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:14.639
I'm a photographer, so I you're ready to start taking

637
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.719
pictures and I'm like you here, you.

638
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.159
And you know there's nobody there. There's nobody out here.

639
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.079
Would you ever go back to that area that you

640
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:30.119
said is Grayling Lake or oh yeah, yeah.

641
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:32.239
Yeah, yeah, I'll go back. I plan to go back

642
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:33.280
here probably next month.

643
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:41.079
And that's in the that's the Wrangles St. Elias National

644
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.800
Park area is same area as we were talking about.

645
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:44.119
Director.

646
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:45.440
Wow, that's incredible.

647
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.079
So I'm in the Wrangle Saint Elias National Park right

648
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.320
now and I'm indoors because it's rainy.

649
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.920
I want to go out slap around.

650
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.639
But you know, tomorrow I'll be out the same exact

651
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.000
place I saw these two sides.

652
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:03.920
Squatch. It's not far and I still have.

653
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:09.800
To walk while you're headed out there tomorrow. That's not wow,

654
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:11.480
that's incredible.

655
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:12.400
I was out there yesterday.

656
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.519
Oh you were Wow.

657
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.440
Well, it's just yeah, I walk it all the time.

658
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:17.519
You know.

659
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.039
People say, well, they get this weird feeling, and I

660
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.639
do a little bit when I'm out there, but it's

661
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:31.320
it's completely not I can't explain it. It's not thriving

662
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:31.679
at all.

663
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.239
It's just I don't think they give a crap about me.

664
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.440
It just happened to be in the area.

665
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:39.679
It's happened to be there.

666
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:41.519
Yeah, I always walk alone.

667
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.320
I'm always alone out here, and it's not it's my

668
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.679
choice because if I have a dog, it's loud. I

669
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.840
can't get my wildlife photos. A lot of people are

670
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.920
bored because you have to sit around quietly, you.

671
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:55.880
Know, an homemade blind or whatever.

672
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:59.119
Yeah, it's considered boring.

673
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:03.519
So what was your last question?

674
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:07.239
Have you no problem? Have you heard anything that would

675
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:11.480
be similar to anything that sounds like ape or a

676
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.559
monkey or anything weird. Sometimes people say they hear stuff

677
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.119
like hoots or givens things like that.

678
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:29.280
Yeah, I have heard the hoot from my gigantic given

679
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:33.199
or whatever they call them, the things that scream, you know,

680
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.280
the little monkeys and make ridiculous sounds. It did sound

681
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.280
kind of like that a couple of times, you know,

682
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:39.320
when I've heard the hooting.

683
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.119
They don't like to do it over and over.

684
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.519
It's like you'll hear in the background and you know,

685
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.320
it never meant anything to me. I don't care. It

686
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.559
doesn't I just don't care.

687
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.239
You know, it doesn't register, it's not a threat nothing.

688
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.000
I mean, I can't take a picture of it, right.

689
00:41:59.320 --> 00:41:59.719
Have you ever?

690
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.840
Have you ever considered taking audio recorder out with you

691
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.119
when you go to these areas?

692
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.760
Funny you may ask. I just got one, so.

693
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:13.960
I love it.

694
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.719
I'll be out there next month and I'm actually going

695
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.320
to camp out my favorite place that they happen to,

696
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.119
like the stream, and we'll see what happens. I don't

697
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.360
think they care about me. I just I'm in the area.

698
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.079
To me, it's like they're having a potlatch.

699
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:30.880
You know what that is?

700
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.920
Remind me. I think I know the gist of what

701
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.400
you're saying, but I'd love to hear about it.

702
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:43.840
So a potlatch or a pollow to the like maybe

703
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:48.880
a lesser extent the natives. It's basically a celebration and

704
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.960
it can be for different things. You know, Lord does

705
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.639
what they're celebrating. But that's what it reminds me of.

706
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:03.559
Fascinating there definitely haven't on. If you happen to get

707
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:08.719
some interesting audio, definitely reach out. I would love. I

708
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:10.480
would love to hear it, and I can get you

709
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.800
in touch with some guys that can really analyze it

710
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.400
as well. If if Yeah, that's what I was looking for,

711
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:18.639
you know.

712
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.480
And the whole thing is, I can get the great videos.

713
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.800
I take pictures, you know, flip arounds, I can, I

714
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:33.639
can record the audio. You know, it's just fun for me.

715
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:37.039
It's care, you know, pay for a friend of mine.

716
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:42.960
And thank you. Ever heard this some once, but you know.

717
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.199
My life doesn't. I don't care, you know what I mean.

718
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.199
I totally totally get it. I'm looking over your email

719
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:01.679
real quick. And you mentioned in the email I think

720
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.280
it was the Chuga National Forest.

721
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.400
Yeah, is that is that the Uh?

722
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.199
That that's the area where you had mentioned before with

723
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:20.440
like the screaming and the laughing, et cetera. Oh, very interesting.

724
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.280
And I've seen some I've seen some giant footprints dower

725
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.960
really huge. Oh it's ridiculous.

726
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.000
I left. Uh.

727
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.119
And then I did see some other tracks down there

728
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.039
that I actually I was a fishing guide and I

729
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.920
want my clients breaking out, so I squished them all lot.

730
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.559
Oh you you would wipe away the tracks so you

731
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.119
wouldn't freak out your clients.

732
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:46.840
Yeah.

733
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.920
Wow, n there's a lot of money to fly out

734
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:52.679
there in that one.

735
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:54.679
That's incredible.

736
00:44:54.840 --> 00:45:00.440
Fly out there and say, you know, look at it

737
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.800
and go with that. You can't say I don't know.

738
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:04.079
You're in the bush.

739
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:09.440
They're with you. It's a one on one situation. They're

740
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.559
gonna make sure you're there to make sure they live

741
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.239
through this. They can have fun, do whatever they want

742
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.679
as long as it's legal. But you know, it's me

743
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.960
keeping the bears off them and showing them were a.

744
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.039
Fish big for society. Who will be right back after

745
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:41.800
these messages? Sure it makes sense.

746
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:47.280
That's really boring sometimes. I mean, you know, I got

747
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:47.960
the belt.

748
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.039
In that forest kind of does it kind of bump

749
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:54.840
up against the Kenai Peninsula?

750
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:57.239
No?

751
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:03.199
No, okay, no, uh yeah, when you get a chance,

752
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:08.320
google the Copper River and if you go down by.

753
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:15.239
There's a place I is where I saw the tracks near.

754
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.280
It's called a Knight Island and it's within the actual

755
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.039
Copper River.

756
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:23.840
And Night Island.

757
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:24.840
That's a weird.

758
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.880
Place down there. Yeah, Knight Island. Now, I'll bring you

759
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.400
into the Copper River basin Google.

760
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:34.719
What is so weird about that area?

761
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.480
Oh, that's a report from some locals about.

762
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.639
Something like a circular a pool of light and it

763
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.119
shoots up in the air, and that's going.

764
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:50.199
Really yeah, you know.

765
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.039
If they can't make up Yeah, I know. And then

766
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.159
the foot princes I saw were huge, and I'm like,

767
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.159
I'm not going looking. I just got my truck and left.

768
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.559
I saw a human mongus.

769
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:03.039
Bear out there. I don't I assume it was natural.

770
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:09.360
I've seen twenty bears, one hundreds and five thousands.

771
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.119
Twelve sixteen up. You know, I've seen sixteen in the day.

772
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:13.000
That's not a big deal.

773
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:18.559
But this bear. If we were if we were standing

774
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:21.920
on a pavement and this thing walked past me, it

775
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.960
would be I'm.

776
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:28.400
Five ten, it would be as tall as my back

777
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.679
or it's back my head would be or maybe i'd

778
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.559
be a little shorter. Hm hmm.

779
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.519
Stuff you don't mess with for sure.

780
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:43.719
And I actually talked to the local law enforcement guy,

781
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:50.280
you know, the federal force this cup and.

782
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.960
I told him my son where I saw and he

783
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:53.719
laughed and he's like, yeah, they get really big.

784
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:56.360
He's like, usually people don't see him from utary some

785
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.280
of congratulations.

786
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:05.239
You in, Yeah, that's not what I'm looking for, man, right, Yeah, Oh, like,

787
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.519
is there're a third species if they're out there? That's

788
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:08.320
what I asked him.

789
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.639
He's like, no, it just gets you know, they keep

790
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:12.840
growing if they have food.

791
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:16.639
Wow.

792
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:21.920
Anyway, Joe, incredible accounts. Thank you so much for spending

793
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:23.920
some time chatting about this.

794
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:30.519
This is better. Please if you hear anything, yes, i'llesome

795
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:30.840
it to you.

796
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.039
Fantastic and yeah, I definitely hope to hear from me

797
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.719
in the future. But thank you so much Joe for

798
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.679
chatting tonight. All right, Big Society, thanks for coming back

799
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.840
for another episode. Got the privilege of talking to a

800
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.440
new friend, Josh today. Josh contacted me over the Internet

801
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.960
and he said he had some interesting stories to share

802
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.119
about a bigfoot from his time growing up in Alaska.

803
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.400
So how's it going tonight, Josh.

804
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.920
Oh, it's going great. Uh, beautiful day. You know, I

805
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:07.039
can't complain about that.

806
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.920
Oh absolutely it is. You know, we had some storms

807
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:15.400
rolled through here, but now the grass is growing. Everything's

808
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.440
nice and lush and we are loving it. So same

809
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:20.440
out where you're at.

810
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:24.480
Or well, I mean the weather's been nice. It's like

811
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.679
it gets really like really hot and dry out here

812
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.480
in the summertime, and the winter it's really like a mild, rainy,

813
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.280
kind of easy winter. So I can't complain about that.

814
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:41.800
But yeah, a little it's been. It's been at like.

815
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:47.280
Because like how I grew up in Alaska and like

816
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.079
the experiences that I had previously, like I'm most slightly

817
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:56.400
more aware of my surroundings, and like I've noticed it's

818
00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:02.039
a little bit squatchy out here too, like little a

819
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:06.599
little off putting, like to say the least, especially like

820
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.679
because I still like to hunt and I've been drawing.

821
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.800
I drew a couple of great tags, and you know

822
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:21.760
I had to, like, you know, on our way back

823
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:27.320
from the beach off here in Oregon. Uh, the highway

824
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.400
cuts across where my my tag was supposed to be,

825
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:35.159
and I'm like just keeping an eye out just to

826
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.079
just to sort of like size.

827
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.559
It up, because you know, I don't. I don't like.

828
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.119
To just you know, Willie Nelly all wander into the

829
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.840
woods unless I know it's it's it's okay, you.

830
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:50.360
Know, and lo and behold.

831
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:57.199
Like just along the road, a big, big, hairy parlays

832
00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.840
come stepping out of the woods and stop at a

833
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.480
like rock out cropping right at the edge of the highway.

834
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.960
So I'm passing by, I'm like, I gotta change my tag.

835
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.440
And that that's what the for the most part, it's

836
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.440
been like out here when you notice like the little

837
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.559
the little things, the subtle things that people might not

838
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.519
like pay attention to because they got their lives and

839
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:26.239
all that stuff. But there there is a lot that

840
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:31.079
goes along, goes on in like the woods surrounding like

841
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:39.519
just about anywhere. I've noticed sometimes like animal noises and stuff.

842
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.039
You know, you got your standards, like deer and like,

843
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.159
you know, maybe a raccoon here and there, but like

844
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.960
sometimes there's stuff that's out of place, and it sounds big,

845
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.480
and it doesn't it doesn't sound correct, like it sounds.

846
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:53.840
Out of place.

847
00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:00.440
And it's been like an actual struggle to like psychomping

848
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.880
or anything like that, just because I'm aware of it. All,

849
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.400
have you ever do you experience that or have you

850
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:08.239
ever experienced that?

851
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:14.079
So, Josh and longtime listeners of the show could probably

852
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:18.039
tell this story a little bit as well. But so

853
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:23.320
I've experienced I would say maybe more class B type

854
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.679
things in Iowa. You know, when we went out last

855
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.960
year tainting myself and you know, I experienced a tree

856
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:32.880
being pushed over in the woods in front of us

857
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.280
wood Knox captured at night and then my tent was

858
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.840
on zipped at three forty five am on a Sunday

859
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:41.480
night when we were out on the woods. That still

860
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.559
messes with me today. I've not really gotten over that.

861
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:48.000
And we are going back out there, and listeners can

862
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:51.440
watch sasquatch a search for Sabe Tits documentary the Iowa

863
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:55.840
episode you can find out more about that. So I've

864
00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:00.840
not yet heard a vocalization or actually seen a big foot, Josh,

865
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:02.880
but I am getting closer, right.

866
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:10.880
Yeah, If if you ever, like, if you say, go

867
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.400
on YouTube or something, look up what the what a caribou's.

868
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:15.760
Grunt sounds like?

869
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:21.320
And it's like a certain kind of like like a

870
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.599
like a like a grunt like almost like I've heard other.

871
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:28.480
Other people you've had on a show.

872
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.239
Mentioned like a like a like a like a grunty

873
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.960
piggy sound, uh like a huff, and then like a

874
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:42.400
like a like a nasally like sort of like a

875
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.519
deer we'll give a we'll give like a certain kind

876
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:48.119
of grunt. A cariboo is much heavier and like they

877
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.880
got bigger lungs and so it's much much louder.

878
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.239
And my.

879
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.159
What I've noticed is like if if they're if they're

880
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:02.880
saying they When I've been in a hunting in Alaska

881
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:06.280
for caribou, I thought that was a great sound at first,

882
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.800
but then I was like, you know, I'm sleeping on

883
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:12.519
the side of the road there, not even up in

884
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.599
the mountains yet. I'm about to like hit the trail

885
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.360
in the morning, and I've already got like a caribou

886
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.000
next to my tent, and like I'm like looking at

887
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.280
my revel. Okay, I guess I'm getting up. It's my

888
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.760
lucky day. And then all of a sudden, I hear

889
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:27.360
you know, a big.

890
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:32.159
Like heavy like like ah.

891
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:38.039
Like and then like and then like they're just it's

892
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.599
gone by the time, my mind zipping just like nothing

893
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.639
was there. I'm like a caribou would just hang around

894
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.360
and there was nothing, you know, and like this thing

895
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.639
was like sniffing and grunting around the tent and I'm like,

896
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.079
I'm like, is it a bear?

897
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.599
Is it a caribou? I hope it's not a moose,

898
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:57.800
you know.

899
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.400
It's it's the stuff like that where you can't see

900
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.199
directly what you're what you're dealing with, and there's like

901
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.199
a handful of things and in the back of my mind,

902
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.079
I try not to think about it. It's like they

903
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:14.320
could be a squatch just like checking me out. And

904
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.719
like I just felt funny, Like when I uh actually

905
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:26.679
dealt with that, like it was a little terrifying, you know,

906
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:31.239
because like you don't you don't know until you know,

907
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:33.760
and then you got to get out and face the

908
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:38.840
music and just see what's going on. And that's a

909
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.400
little crazy. Yeah, I can understand. I can feel you.

910
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.320
Like if a zipper though, a zipper, that's that's like

911
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:48.559
way beyond like you know, yeah, it's like it's like

912
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:53.239
you're you're you're your safety bubble is like that thin

913
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:57.679
vinyl like wall of the tent, and like like a

914
00:55:57.800 --> 00:55:59.960
zipper is like the one thing that animals can't really

915
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:06.000
figure out but then something's like like, oh, my gosh,

916
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:07.679
I don't know if I've been.

917
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:12.760
Yeah, Josh, when you heard what whatever it is you

918
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.280
heard in that tent and you heard it that tough

919
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.559
noise outside, did you hear actual like do you think

920
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:22.679
it was it something running away? Can you remember? Like, yeah,

921
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.760
what sounded like it?

922
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:29.719
It sounded like it was like you could hear it's

923
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.559
it's footsteps. It was like a, well, the roads are

924
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:36.280
like gravel out in the back parts of Alaska, and

925
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.400
so when something's stepping out there, it's it's gonna be

926
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.199
make that crinkly noise. But the crinkly noise it made

927
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.400
was kind of soft, and that that's what I've noticed.

928
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:49.519
It's very It was very soft, like a caribou. It's

929
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:51.800
gonna be a hoof, and it's gonna have like a

930
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:57.239
a really pronounced like like step sound to It didn't

931
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.760
have that, but it only had maybe I could hear

932
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:06.719
it circling. And then when I started to unzip the tent,

933
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.960
they gave the huff and then I could hear it

934
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:14.480
like maybe like three or four steps, and it was

935
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:16.440
it was like moving away.

936
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:18.400
And so then I.

937
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.480
Got out and it was already gone like into the

938
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:27.519
brush and that that now, looking back that stuff, I

939
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:31.239
was like, that's way squatchy. That's very squatchy, and.

940
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.119
That that's just like you know.

941
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:41.440
The the like the like the not confirmed sighting kind

942
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:43.480
of just I heard something funny kind of thing. But

943
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.400
then like the the reels, the real stuff happened when

944
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:52.760
I was a kid, like the the worst of it.

945
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:54.079
I've been getting to that part.

946
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:57.039
Yet, real so real quick. There's probably some people that

947
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.840
are curious. Can you share anything about where the area

948
00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:02.199
was where you had that encounter?

949
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:09.400
Yeah, okay, if you if you go past Willow.

950
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:16.440
Up into up the.

951
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:19.199
The highway there there's a there's a place called Montana Creek,

952
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.400
and I know that the the bears go there during

953
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:28.360
this the silver salmon run to get the salmon. And

954
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.920
up in the mountains there the caribou will be coming

955
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:36.239
through to feed and the berries are usually starting to ripen.

956
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:45.400
And but you can it is just north of Hatcher Pass.

957
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:48.559
It's just like pretty much on a map, you could

958
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.039
see it's like kitty corner to too close to where

959
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:57.199
I grew up and had my previous encounters. But if

960
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.239
you just go on like Google Earth, there's something. Then

961
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.599
you can find it. Just type in Montana Creek and

962
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:09.599
it should just take you there. Most of the stuff

963
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.360
that I experienced was just around those the Talkaita mountains

964
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:23.159
there the but later on, I guess i'll just jump

965
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:29.679
into that story with the tent. The after I experienced that,

966
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.440
I decided I'm not gonna I'm not sleeping anymore. So

967
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:39.760
I packed up the tent and I decided to just

968
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:42.400
push on and just get out of the area. And

969
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:47.880
so I packed up my little one man tent and

970
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:51.039
I just hopped it down the road. I had my

971
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.320
uncle drop me off there because I thought that's where

972
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.400
the trailhead was. Turns out it was like another five

973
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:58.800
miles down the road. So I had like quite a

974
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.719
hig to the just the trails that just so I

975
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:02.840
could get up the mountain.

976
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.719
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

977
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.840
My my main focus at that that exact moment was

978
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:28.480
like to get into the high ground because I knew

979
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.239
the bears were feeding on fish and they're gonna be

980
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:34.199
in the low ground. And so I just decided after that,

981
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.199
I was like I was out of there because I

982
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.800
didn't want to contend with the bear. I was just

983
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:44.199
I just wanted to get my get my bag and

984
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:48.719
and go, you know. So I start hiking up up

985
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:52.519
the mountain, get to the trailhead Montana Creek, start heading

986
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:52.920
up there.

987
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:53.519
There's like a.

988
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:59.079
Like a like a four wheeler trail that goes all

989
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.000
the way up into the mountains and it just hugs

990
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.039
the canyon to the Montana Creek below, and there's like

991
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.840
waterfalls and all that stuff and big timber and look,

992
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:18.159
I hiked for all morning, Like, I got up probably

993
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:20.920
about four in the morning, hiked two got to the

994
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.280
trail at about five thirty in the morning, and then

995
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:28.199
I just started walking up. So right around eleven o'clock

996
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:34.039
eleven thirty in the afternoon, I'm like, you know, really

997
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.880
starting to have it, and I'm getting into the berries.

998
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:43.199
I'm like feeling better about everything, and I'm starting to

999
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.519
see big rocks and all this stuff and a less

1000
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:50.360
sign of bear, and it's just looking a little, a little,

1001
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:53.719
a little better for me. So I'm like taking breaks

1002
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:59.239
and working my way up, and right right when I

1003
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:03.079
start to get to this bend in the trail where

1004
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.239
I can't quite see around the corner.

1005
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:12.039
We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society. After these words

1006
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.119
from our sponsors.

1007
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:20.519
Uh, I just hear others like a ferocious like roar,

1008
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:26.159
like a like a r and like hof and a

1009
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:31.079
big like huff and then like a boulder the size

1010
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:35.800
of a basketball went like like just just over my shoulder,

1011
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.519
like I almost got clobbered by this big rock, like

1012
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:39.880
a big granite boulder.

1013
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:42.280
And I could not see.

1014
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.800
What did that like, because like I've never had that

1015
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:47.519
happen before.

1016
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:51.639
I like stopped saw the thing and I ran up

1017
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.280
just just to peek up the corner, and the thing

1018
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:59.199
had already like doosh douche, dooche douche, and I saw

1019
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.320
like the ranches on the trees above the trail are

1020
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:07.000
like rustling, because it just like I'd just smacked through

1021
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:12.360
any sounded huge and about as big as a grizzly

1022
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:12.639
would be.

1023
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:13.320
So whatever it.

1024
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:17.639
Was, I'm like, looking back, I'm like, that was another experience.

1025
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:23.400
And that's like two in like a two in the morning.

1026
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:30.880
That's that's crazy. And so it was big enough. I

1027
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.119
had a thirty odd to six rifle with me. It

1028
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.639
was big enough where I was like looking down at it,

1029
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.840
I was like, this is a pea shooter, like I don't.

1030
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:41.440
I don't need to be going up here. So I

1031
01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:45.719
immediately didn't about face and just like walked back down

1032
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:49.280
the trail, called up my uncle and like had him

1033
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.079
pick me up and all that stuff. But if you're

1034
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:55.559
looking for a little excitement, go to Montana Creek.

1035
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:02.320
So there you go. Listeners and it sounds like you

1036
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:05.159
could be taking your life into your hands. Whenever you're

1037
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:08.039
doing Alaska stuff, you need to be well prepared, even

1038
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.199
probably beyond prepared, is my guess. I've never been up

1039
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:16.159
there personally, but from what I've seen and heard, it

1040
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.239
is an extremely wild place and you really only get

1041
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:23.760
a chance or maybe two chances when you're out there.

1042
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.960
So yeah, on my way out, my uncles, I think

1043
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:30.079
you made the right decision.

1044
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:35.480
He said that there's been a there's been.

1045
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:38.519
Four or five hunters that have disappeared up there, and

1046
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.360
I'm like, after the fact, I'm like, oh, that made

1047
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.280
me feel so sick. I was like, all right, we'll

1048
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:49.639
just get out of here. And it just sort of

1049
01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:54.719
put things in perspective when it comes to hunting, like

1050
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.480
you really do have to like look at the little things,

1051
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.480
like is there a lot of do people pull a

1052
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:04.440
lot of animals out of there, or do they pull

1053
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:08.400
very little? And why are they pulling very little? Is

1054
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:12.880
there something else eating the animals besides besides just like

1055
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:15.639
wolves and bears, because there can't be that many wolves

1056
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.840
and bears eating all the deer, especially if surrounding areas

1057
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:25.119
have like say fifteen hundred deer come out maybe five

1058
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.880
miles down the road in either direction. Yeah, this one

1059
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:30.400
only pulls out like twelve and then you see a

1060
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.719
pair of hairy legs, and you know what's up. You

1061
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.800
have to be going in there, and you just you

1062
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:43.400
gotta just be aware, more aware than the normal it's

1063
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.320
camp being as stressful. I thought it would relaxed me

1064
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.159
and stuff, but it's like it can be stressful and

1065
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:54.719
just in that way. Once you know what's actually out

1066
01:05:54.760 --> 01:06:01.599
there and it's like just cruising around it.

1067
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.639
It takes on a whole other level. It's like it's

1068
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:04.079
becomes way more real.

1069
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.559
And I've I've become accustomed to just camping and really

1070
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:14.880
crowded family camp campsites now where like there's too many

1071
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:16.559
people for they're gonna.

1072
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:20.400
Be trouble, you know, hmm, okay, interesting, So you have

1073
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:23.280
you stick to the groups for safety.

1074
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:31.760
Yeah, it's it seems it works okay, But even still,

1075
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:33.960
you know you got that in the back of your

1076
01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:39.800
mind all the time, like thinking about like is it safe,

1077
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.599
because I'd like, do these people because I know none

1078
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:47.119
of them are looking out for that other sort of stuff.

1079
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.800
They're just playing having a grand time. But they're making

1080
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:52.840
lots of noise, and I like when people are making

1081
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:55.119
lots of noise, that's the best thing.

1082
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.360
Have you heard of any other encounters happening in that

1083
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.159
Montana Creek area? Have you ever looked into that. I'm

1084
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:04.840
just curious.

1085
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:09.400
I haven't heard of anything. The only thing I heard

1086
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:16.039
was what my uncle told me, was that people have

1087
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:21.800
ended up missing up that very trail. So but but

1088
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:26.679
I do know that like farther south, I just like

1089
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.719
looked into like what's going on in the mountains, and like,

1090
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:33.840
as I understand it, this is all secondhand. I haven't

1091
01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:38.480
like directly like asked any of the local natives, like

1092
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:43.840
if this is a true thing. But apparently the Willow

1093
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:48.719
side of Hatcher Pass is like they stayed out of

1094
01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:53.480
that area because it was designated for the the the

1095
01:07:53.519 --> 01:08:01.960
wild people, this assquatch out there, and and where I

1096
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:08.760
grew up was just south of that and uh down

1097
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.000
in the so just a little farther south you got

1098
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:16.399
Hatcher Pass. It comes out to Willow and just over

1099
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.520
that mountain is like Government Peak and then it like

1100
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:24.600
slopes down and then you were at the Mattooska Valley.

1101
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:28.119
You got fish Hook Road, the little of the little

1102
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:29.000
sus Hito rivers.

1103
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:30.680
Coming out of the mountains.

1104
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:35.560
You got like a string of lakes and like it

1105
01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:38.600
it was like just about endless forest all the way

1106
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:39.920
up to the mountains.

1107
01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:46.560
And since then it's like they've a bunch of developers

1108
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:49.760
have come through and like just put in like like

1109
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:51.039
a hundred houses in there.

1110
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:56.479
But before that, when I when I was there, it

1111
01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:01.039
was it was just like raw wilderness and it was

1112
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:04.079
like on the backside of a military reservation that like

1113
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:06.359
so nobody went went in there.

1114
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:12.680
You know. The house I grew up in was like.

1115
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:19.479
Just just across the street from this this wilderness. And

1116
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:22.800
so there was a little creek in there, and there

1117
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:25.159
was like a few lakes that they were all connected to,

1118
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.800
and like it was like a blast, you know, you

1119
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:33.720
just look forward to just like going with your friends

1120
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:36.720
and just like cutting into the woods and like splashing

1121
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:43.159
around and you know wrestling and whatever, you know, boys stuff.

1122
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:50.840
But at times like one one day, like the my

1123
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.560
brother and I went out to the backside of the

1124
01:09:54.640 --> 01:10:00.239
lake and we had never actually been out there before,

1125
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:02.960
but it was like this little meadow that had grown

1126
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:08.000
in off of this little marsh, and we decided to

1127
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.760
just like slink in there and just check it out.

1128
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:12.239
It's just me and my little brother.

1129
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:14.600
We weren't very big, like I think I was like

1130
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:19.319
maybe ten, he was like seven or eight.

1131
01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:22.159
Uh, you know, just.

1132
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:27.319
You know, playing with stuff, picking things up and looking

1133
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:30.520
at things. I think he was tiny shoe and squats

1134
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.479
down and I look over it and in the tree line,

1135
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.319
this was like the very first first time we saw something.

1136
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:42.800
There was like just a huge sassquatch like in the

1137
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:46.439
tree line, sort of like his hands on like the

1138
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.760
highest branches and he's just watching us, but he's like

1139
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:53.800
rocking from side to side. And then once he realizes

1140
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.760
we saw him, he looked down in a wait and

1141
01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.560
he just sort of slinked and disappeared. He got real low,

1142
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:06.119
super low, and like kind of like disappeared into the brush.

1143
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:07.960
And my brother was like, we need to get out

1144
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:12.960
of here, and I was like okay. And just the

1145
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.439
fact that, like I know people have mentioned that they

1146
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.000
have like a like a silvery shimmered to some of

1147
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:23.880
their fur. Would I've noticed about them is like they

1148
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:29.399
have an undercoat of like denser fur, but then there's

1149
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:36.319
like these like like a much lighter, wispier a longer

1150
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:40.359
coat on top of that. So that's like a more

1151
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:47.600
like so like two layers of fur. The upper layer

1152
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:51.079
is more like a it picks up the light. And

1153
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.479
when you're like say, if it's like it when the

1154
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:56.760
sun's starting to set and the dude starts coming in,

1155
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.359
it's harder to pick them up. They sort of ending

1156
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:04.239
with like the mist a little more. But like because

1157
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:06.439
the sun was still out, I was able to pick

1158
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:12.079
up the red in his fur is underfur, and it

1159
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.199
just silhouetted him enough for us to pick it up

1160
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.239
and just notice them. And that was like the very

1161
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:23.359
first time, and so that we never went back to

1162
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:29.720
that area at least for a few years, but that

1163
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:35.560
that following winter. We hadn't mentioned it to anybody that

1164
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:41.079
following winter we were we found this little closer to home.

1165
01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:44.880
We found a nice little like gentle sloping hill and

1166
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:46.680
we wanted to go sledding, so we went with our

1167
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.239
friends sledding down this hill.

1168
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:49.800
We get that.

1169
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:53.199
We get out there and we noticed these these tracks,

1170
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:56.520
these big tracks, and like either it's a bear a moose,

1171
01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:59.000
and my brother and I both.

1172
01:12:58.880 --> 01:12:59.479
Knew it was.

1173
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:01.800
It was like probably one of those things. And I said,

1174
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:04.960
I think it's bigfoot. And the friends we were with

1175
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.159
were not having that stuff. There's just some people that

1176
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:11.680
just don't unless it's in the zoo, it doesn't exist,

1177
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.199
and don't got time or any of that stuff.

1178
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.000
And he's like, I don't believe you. I don't want

1179
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:16.359
to hear.

1180
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.159
It, blobby blose, like okay, whatever. So we dropped it.

1181
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:24.199
But the the trail led out from where that creek

1182
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:30.960
was diagonally towards the Anderson Lake, which is a the

1183
01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:34.439
lake we lived next to. There's like three lakes there,

1184
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:39.319
Anderson Lake, Dry Lake, and then they removed the name

1185
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:43.600
of it. I'm thinking because of like real estate reasons,

1186
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.520
but it was called Mud Lake. And then there was

1187
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.960
like a creek network connecting all the lakes, and in

1188
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:54.800
there it was like rainbow trout and landlocked salmon and

1189
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:59.359
stuff like that. So plenty of food, you know, moves

1190
01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:04.159
coming through there. It's like a very like like in

1191
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:08.479
terms of like stuff to do, stuff to eat. It's

1192
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:13.199
it's got everything that's bountiful. But we saw that the

1193
01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:19.000
tracks went from our little hill coming out of the

1194
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:23.399
out of the bush diagonally across the street and towards

1195
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.880
the other side of the lake. And I thought it

1196
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:28.279
was odd, was like, why why would.

1197
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:28.800
Somebody be.

1198
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:33.479
Just walking through there. He's like, they had snow shoes off.

1199
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:38.880
Let's just drop it and you know, it's stuff. Was like,

1200
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:41.640
you just sort of go with it, but like, you

1201
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:48.359
know what it is, right, And these guys have said, Hey,

1202
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:52.000
our neighbors having a barbecue, you want to come and

1203
01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:54.920
join us, because we were going to go over there

1204
01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:58.560
after we were sledding. I was like, okay, it's almost timed.

1205
01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:00.319
You want to take a short cut. So took a

1206
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:04.520
short cut through the woods and we get through the

1207
01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:08.479
woods across one lake, up a trail across the other

1208
01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:13.000
lake to the backside of this guy's little barbecue he had.

1209
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.319
So there's already like thirty people there. They're all gathered

1210
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:19.079
around this big bonfire in the backyard. They're cooking hot

1211
01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:22.800
dogs and hamburgers and all this stuff. It's middle of winter,

1212
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.920
Alaskan's got a party. When they got a party, I guess.

1213
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:34.199
But so we show up and they're like, oh my gosh,

1214
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.239
and like the owner of the house is like, man,

1215
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:38.720
you kids are brave for coming out of there.

1216
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.800
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

1217
01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:58.760
She knew what I.

1218
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.039
Saw, And then I'm like, what did you see? And

1219
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:03.920
then like some of the neighbors like no, no, no, no,

1220
01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:05.680
we want to give them nightmares and we don't want

1221
01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:08.000
to tell him. And then he started talking about how

1222
01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:12.319
like the howls he heard at night, and and I go,

1223
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:14.760
I was like, what kind of howls? It was like

1224
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:17.000
I've seen things, kids, you know what. I don't want

1225
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:19.840
to talk about it anymore. We let's not talk about this.

1226
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:24.239
And you're getting kind of frustrated because I kept throbing him.

1227
01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:26.920
And we just sort of sat there eating hot dogs

1228
01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:31.199
about this bonfire. This guy kind of just doing his memories,

1229
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:35.560
and like the mood sort of went from like laughter

1230
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:38.800
to a little like this weird awkward silence. Were just

1231
01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:43.800
eating quietly and he said like, boys, I want you

1232
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.279
to promise me you'll never go back into those woods again.

1233
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.720
I was like okay, and of course those kids are.

1234
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:53.000
We went right back into the woods like all the

1235
01:16:53.039 --> 01:17:03.520
time that following summer. My brother and I were like

1236
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:06.800
it was a hot day and like we just got

1237
01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:11.079
done visiting family and like we were sort of over

1238
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:12.760
it and we wanted to go and run around in

1239
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:19.560
the woods and mess around, and so we got to

1240
01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:22.239
We asked permission, they said we could go, and so

1241
01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:26.640
we jump across the street and start heading down the

1242
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:29.960
hill to like the creek that's there, and there's like

1243
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.680
a couple of logs that prift across across it, and

1244
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:35.239
it's like it's got like a nice little deep hole

1245
01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:37.800
where I'd love to It was my favorite fishing spot,

1246
01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:39.760
Like I just I would always catch something there.

1247
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.279
We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these

1248
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:48.439
words from our sponsors.

1249
01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:54.119
And so I'm leading the way. My brother is like

1250
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:58.720
maybe ten feet behind me. He's on the hilltop. I'm

1251
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.159
at the bottom of the hill. On the log there's

1252
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:06.520
a I think this tree had fallen and uprooted a

1253
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:11.319
different tree, and I had like lifted up the root

1254
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:14.720
sort of the root masss of it, and so it

1255
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:16.800
was like blocking the creek and when I was like

1256
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:20.439
went onto the log, I saw this hairy leg step

1257
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:25.439
into the creek and like I'm like, oh, oh, is

1258
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:30.359
that a bear? And like my brother froze, eye froze,

1259
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:35.239
and like we just heard it like darting its arms

1260
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:37.319
around and just like quick like a cat, you know.

1261
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:40.000
And then all of a sudden, you just hear see

1262
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:46.239
him like looked up ah a rainbow trout, and like

1263
01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:50.800
he's just like and he's just like smacking on this

1264
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:56.800
fish like just like golf, like just making just.

1265
01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.920
What does I macating on this fish? Like just it

1266
01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:03.640
sounded like.

1267
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:10.119
Loud smacking, crunching, like chewing on a raw fish. And

1268
01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:14.159
then he like we're sort of like trying to just

1269
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:17.119
like our brains are trying to wrap our heads around

1270
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:21.399
like what we're looking at, to make sure we're looking

1271
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.960
at what we're looking at, if it's a bear or not,

1272
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:26.760
or if it's another one of those things we saw,

1273
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:34.600
you know. And it stops for a second and it

1274
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:39.319
peeks over in the creek and I catch a flash

1275
01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:43.239
of red eyes, you know, just a little bit, and

1276
01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:46.119
then it backs in and then I think it a

1277
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.479
fish bumped it and it grabbed the fish and it

1278
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:52.319
starts smacking on another one, and then after it was done,

1279
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:56.000
it stood up because it was down on a like

1280
01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:58.640
squatting down in this creek, and it had to been

1281
01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:00.479
like it was a hole in a so it had

1282
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:05.680
been like four feet deep. It stood up and its

1283
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:09.199
head went way over the root mass of this birch tree,

1284
01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:13.479
and it was like his hair was messy. It wasn't

1285
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:17.279
bear shapes, and it was like black skin, like jet

1286
01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:22.359
black black hair like straight, but like kind of messy.

1287
01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:28.279
And I could make out the because it had splashed

1288
01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:30.560
water all over its face. It was picking up some

1289
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.479
of the light and the sun was starting to set

1290
01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:35.520
a little bit, so it was a little dark in

1291
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:39.279
the in that depression where the creek was at, but

1292
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:43.279
I could make out it, like when it was looking

1293
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:45.800
at us. We were looking at him, and my brother

1294
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.199
was looking at me, and I looked at him and

1295
01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:50.399
he was looking for She was just like, are we

1296
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:51.319
supposed to be running?

1297
01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.960
You know? But I'm like just mesmerized.

1298
01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:58.720
By this thing, Like just it puts out its hands

1299
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.600
and it moves the branch the way so it could

1300
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:02.640
get a better look at me. There's just like a

1301
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:07.439
little like birch branch. It just like huge long black

1302
01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:12.800
fingers with the hair on top of the on top

1303
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:17.680
of the hand just like just like gently like moves

1304
01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:19.319
the branch out of the way. And I'm just getting

1305
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:22.079
a full glimpse of this guy's head and it and

1306
01:21:22.119 --> 01:21:27.039
it's the pupils were dilated so big. It was like

1307
01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:30.359
about the size of like a nickel like on each side.

1308
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:34.319
So it was couldn't have been a person. It had

1309
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:36.560
to be one of those things, right, And it's like

1310
01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:39.640
the hair is just crazy and it's looking I'm catching

1311
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:43.159
the light and I'm catching like the finer details. Look

1312
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:48.359
at the nose, like had really flared nostrils and uh,

1313
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:50.319
I almost thought it was a bare for a second,

1314
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:54.720
because the nostrils were so flared. But the they had

1315
01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:58.479
like a bridge, a wide bridge on the nose and

1316
01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.319
like the hairs on the on the cheek, which is

1317
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:05.840
it was like a human face, uh, but just below

1318
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:07.520
like the cheekbone.

1319
01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:09.199
The hairs came out to.

1320
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:12.640
A point up to the nose and they were like

1321
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:18.399
a lot loser, a bit more wiry straight ah and

1322
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:20.520
like with like a little bit of like you know,

1323
01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:23.760
a little bit of water ripping off of them just

1324
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.520
a little bit, but like it really like the moisture

1325
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:28.079
really picked up on this game and were able to

1326
01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:32.279
really see the gauntness of like the cheeks, those really

1327
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:36.399
lean like cheeks that they didn't have any he didn't

1328
01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:38.760
have any fat on them. He was I guess he

1329
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:43.680
was hungry. But at that moment, it was like, Okay,

1330
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:47.199
even if it's not very we shouldn't be here. And

1331
01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:49.920
my brother's like, we got to get out of here.

1332
01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:52.600
I was like, I looked at run and so we

1333
01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:56.560
start running up the up the hill and that thing

1334
01:22:57.319 --> 01:22:59.840
starts running too. Everyone's in the opposite direction, so it's

1335
01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:02.680
like splashing through the creek. It gets onto the grass

1336
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.079
and then it gets super low. It's like doing a

1337
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:08.960
spider crawl. And I could and like I get up

1338
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.159
to the top of the hill. It's only maybe like

1339
01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.880
thirty yards right, so it's not very far off the road.

1340
01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:20.439
I stopped to look and to see it, like I

1341
01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:22.079
want to make sure I can see it as it

1342
01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:24.520
was like coming out where it went. If I'm ever

1343
01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:26.399
going in these woods again, I wanted to see where

1344
01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:30.159
that thing was going and it and I got to

1345
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:32.760
see it, like how it moved through and it's like

1346
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:36.199
it's such such a long reach with the with the arms,

1347
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:38.279
and it was just using the trees and the saplings

1348
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:42.119
to sort of pull itself through the underbrush. It pulled

1349
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:47.520
its massive body underneath like this this nasty spruce.

1350
01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:48.680
Tree, like a dried out spruce tree.

1351
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:52.159
I had tried to across that thing once or twice,

1352
01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:54.640
and I like just get my shins all tore up,

1353
01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:56.800
and I just stay off of that thing. That thing

1354
01:23:56.920 --> 01:24:00.800
just busted through that just swimming, just swimming through the brush.

1355
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.000
And then it gets to the opposite bank and up

1356
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:06.920
next to the road and it climbs out and it

1357
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:12.600
is like massive, it's tall, hairy, like the whole.

1358
01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:15.479
Thing was like it was just like head to.

1359
01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:20.479
Toe hair and not long hair, just really frizzy like

1360
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:25.479
short hair maybe three inches uh for the most part.

1361
01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:28.199
The longest part hair on the body was on the

1362
01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:32.439
shoulders and on the top of the hands, a little

1363
01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:38.039
bit up the forearms, the backside, like his his glutes,

1364
01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:41.520
his little buns, they were like massive actually there, and

1365
01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:44.439
they were like covered in a consistent hair.

1366
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:46.680
And like he's just.

1367
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:51.319
Like one two like bounds and he's up this embankment

1368
01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:54.720
and he's looking back at us and he just get

1369
01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:59.600
goes roof. It just gives like a that grunt, that

1370
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:02.960
key away grunt, and he gives like about three of them,

1371
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:07.079
and he's like already running with his huge arms, like

1372
01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:10.640
just long arms, and like what was incredible was like

1373
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.000
I could see how his shoulders because he was like

1374
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:19.199
slightly slouching, his shoulders were really droopy, really droopy, but

1375
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:23.520
they're super broad, and how he ran was like his

1376
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:27.800
body sort of narrowed and it really like slimmed down

1377
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:31.960
his profile when he was running because the mechanical I

1378
01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.119
don't know. It's like his arms are swinging at an

1379
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:39.000
angle in front of him and his legs were like

1380
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:41.039
like criss crossing in front of itself.

1381
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.159
And like he was like.

1382
01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:55.800
Kind of been like like fifty fifty yards within like.

1383
01:25:57.880 --> 01:25:59.199
Six or seven steps.

1384
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:01.960
Like it was just like he was he was like

1385
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:06.720
leap running essentially, he's like dooche dooch and he just

1386
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:12.199
gives out this ferocious howl. He's like oh, and like

1387
01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:15.680
he just cuts into the woods right where we saw

1388
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:20.600
those tracks previously, and so I knew like that that's

1389
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.279
that was a big Foot and that was like right

1390
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:28.479
where we were playing, and like like there. There was

1391
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:31.159
no mistaking it. And like the whole time I'm looking

1392
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:33.560
at this, my brother is like yanking on me. We

1393
01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:36.680
gotta go, we gotta go, and I'm like, it's like

1394
01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:39.119
focused on it, and like I snapped out of it.

1395
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:42.279
We run inside, you know. I tell the family.

1396
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:45.600
They're like there's a debate.

1397
01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:48.439
Like no, they're only down south, I heard, And like

1398
01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:51.920
my Dad's like, I've never seen anything or any of that.

1399
01:26:52.439 --> 01:26:56.119
He actually worked up in the gold mines up in

1400
01:26:56.159 --> 01:27:01.319
the tuck Eata Mountains and so he's been up in

1401
01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:03.720
Hatcher Pass and all that stuff, and so he's been

1402
01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:08.880
up in and around the whole area for decades before

1403
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:11.600
we came doing with this little story. So he didn't

1404
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:15.399
believe us one bit. And it was just like he

1405
01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:18.760
just said, well, whatever it is, it ran away, it's

1406
01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:22.239
not going to come back. And so I trusted him

1407
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:24.439
enough to just say, Okay, he did it. Did run away,

1408
01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:27.640
So that was going to be it. Like I wasn't

1409
01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:29.840
going to see anything about it. So then I sort

1410
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:32.800
of put it in the back of my mind and eventually,

1411
01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:35.199
you know, you sort of forget about it a little bit,

1412
01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:39.479
you move on with your life, and that part was

1413
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:42.720
sort of left me with like, you know, you have

1414
01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:47.439
the occasional nightmare here and there, but you know you

1415
01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:51.119
you always gotta check, you know, like you always look

1416
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:51.880
over your shoulder.

1417
01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:54.399
What year about did that happen?

1418
01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:59.239
This was probably I would say this was about I

1419
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:02.640
would say Nanking or nineteen ninety one.

1420
01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:07.039
Yeah, and you're about white age again.

1421
01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:17.680
I am forty three now I'm about to be forty four, gotcha. Yeah,

1422
01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:26.720
the I think a little while like a few years later,

1423
01:28:28.880 --> 01:28:33.640
I'm you know, I worked at the courage to still

1424
01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:35.600
go into the woods and all that stuff, and like

1425
01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:39.119
our friends, we all would go mess around in those woods.

1426
01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:49.680
Even after all of that stuff, we're still bored, I guess.

1427
01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:54.159
I would often take this trail that went between the

1428
01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:58.920
two lakes, and it went diagonally towards a Wolf Lake,

1429
01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:05.600
and that's an old military reservation that sort of like

1430
01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:11.960
it is like butted up against the Takina Mountains and

1431
01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:14.520
into right at the bit and the opening of Hatcher

1432
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:15.720
Pass and all that stuff.

1433
01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:21.359
But what was I would often go up.

1434
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:23.800
There and take my dog or whatever and go like

1435
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:27.840
grouse hunting with like a little twenty two. I did

1436
01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:34.600
it all the time, and Uh. Sometimes, like this time

1437
01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:39.199
that I went, I ended up leaving my dog behind

1438
01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:41.880
because I just didn't want them barking. I just wanted

1439
01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:44.359
them to like get the jump on the birds and

1440
01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.800
you know, come home and everything. And like the dog

1441
01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:50.840
got excited a lot, and you didn't like guns, and

1442
01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:53.800
it was just a it was always a hassle. So

1443
01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:59.239
I left the dog and uh, as I this this

1444
01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:03.000
trail like straight through the woods for good ways for

1445
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:06.119
a couple of miles and then it opens up to

1446
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:11.439
this clearing where I think they were like head for

1447
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:15.479
whatever reason, like cut out the whole swaths of trees,

1448
01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:16.199
like for.

1449
01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:19.560
Whatever reason they had.

1450
01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:24.840
But like every time I passed this spot, I was

1451
01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:27.279
like I noticed that the mountain looked really close. I

1452
01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:30.720
was like wondering if I could walk up and like

1453
01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:37.600
actually get to that mountain, and like decided, you know what,

1454
01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:40.840
today is the day I'm gonna do it. Uh, And

1455
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:45.319
so you know, I'm I got my like I'm looking

1456
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:47.600
around making sure the coast is clear for me to

1457
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:51.359
just go off trail because it was so clear and

1458
01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:53.680
you could see so far and it just seemed like

1459
01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:57.159
such an easy little hike to like poke around and explore.

1460
01:30:57.239 --> 01:30:58.479
So I just I just do it.

1461
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:19.640
Big for a society, will be right back. After these messages, I.

1462
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:20.039
Get to.

1463
01:31:22.399 --> 01:31:25.880
About two and a half three miles in, I get

1464
01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:29.680
really I started to notice like the mountains getting pretty close,

1465
01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:32.399
but it's so really far away, and maybe I i't

1466
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:34.920
to just turned back. I hadn't got into a lake,

1467
01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:38.199
and I was tired, and I was like, it's this

1468
01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:41.119
is good enough, this is neat, but I should get back.

1469
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:44.560
And I turn around. I'm like right next to this

1470
01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:51.159
cluster of trees and I can it things out at

1471
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:54.800
the point and there's like another cluster of trees like

1472
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.840
a little farther out and like than this like h

1473
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:04.039
houge of like clearing like a huge field, and like

1474
01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:06.840
I look over and I see what it seems like

1475
01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:10.880
a a guy and let a jacket just sort of

1476
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:15.479
walking like a lanky looking guy just walking through the field.

1477
01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:20.239
And I in Alaska in general, like if you're out

1478
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:22.920
in the bush at any point, like there's a possibility

1479
01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:25.479
you might run into a trapper, because like they did,

1480
01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:28.720
they did, they do like work the creek systems and

1481
01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:31.399
like they'll go up along the mountains and in like

1482
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:35.640
the back country.

1483
01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:40.720
We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words

1484
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:43.600
from our sponsors.

1485
01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:50.359
And like they'll they'll set some lines every now and then. Uh,

1486
01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:52.600
And so I assume that's what it was, just a

1487
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:58.720
trapper or some guy hiking around. So this guy, he's

1488
01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:03.119
he's walking like like he's really just like swinging his

1489
01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:04.600
arms like he's really.

1490
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:06.159
Tired.

1491
01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:08.600
He looks a little slouchy. And then but I can't

1492
01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:11.720
quite make it up because like the moisture off of

1493
01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:15.319
the grass and the sunlight was creating sort of like

1494
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:18.880
the mirage effect, and so it was distorting what I

1495
01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:22.880
was seeing. So I couldn't quite make out a silhouette

1496
01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:26.760
until he got really close and I realized it wasn't

1497
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:30.800
the guy. It was another one was another sasquatch, and

1498
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:35.720
like it's walking right at me, and I'm like, he

1499
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:38.760
doesn't see me because I'm just just out a line

1500
01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:43.119
of sight behind this cluster of trees. I'm looking. It's

1501
01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:45.800
like if I try to go that way, he's gonna

1502
01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:48.079
see me and he might try to follow me home.

1503
01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:51.079
And I didn't want that either, and so I just

1504
01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:55.199
sort of hung back. I waited it, and I just

1505
01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:57.319
had to really think, and I looked around, make sure

1506
01:33:57.399 --> 01:33:59.800
nobody else when the others were on me or something,

1507
01:33:59.880 --> 01:34:01.920
or I wasn't getting surrounded in any way, and it

1508
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.000
looked like it was just just a lone one just

1509
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:11.840
walking through. And I didn't want to, like me too

1510
01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:15.119
aggressive or anything like that. I just realized, like I

1511
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:18.720
just have to be really calm and cool. It's like

1512
01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:20.880
it's like, you know, you run into it like a bear,

1513
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:24.479
you go bear rules. You just be real calm, have

1514
01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:27.800
real like stern voice, and just look big. And that's

1515
01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:30.760
all I could do because all I had on me

1516
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:34.000
was like a little twenty two rifle. It was a

1517
01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:37.000
little one Apache I think it was a Remittyan and Apache.

1518
01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:40.680
But I only have like three or four rounds left

1519
01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:46.680
from like like missing shots, and so I didn't I

1520
01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:48.560
had no way to defend myself. Really, I was really

1521
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:52.520
flapping in the wind, and I'm just like sort of

1522
01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:56.039
make a decision to just just hang back a second

1523
01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:58.359
and just see where this thing goes, and I might

1524
01:34:58.359 --> 01:34:59.399
not have to deal with it.

1525
01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:03.520
And I decided to.

1526
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:05.800
Like what my dad taught me was like when we

1527
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:08.720
were attracting caribou, you can go up to the herd

1528
01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:13.439
and if you just like slowly squat down. It won't

1529
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:15.720
like see you right away and they'll think you're part

1530
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:19.600
of the terrain. And so I did that and because

1531
01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:23.359
like they're not a prey animal.

1532
01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:24.880
He saw me.

1533
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.520
He saw me do this move, and then he immediately stops,

1534
01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.880
looks and he just starts like makes a straight b

1535
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:35.760
line straight for me, and he's running on like this.

1536
01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:40.359
He's covering ground like crazy, like like.

1537
01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:44.640
It looked like a football player like just rushing me.

1538
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:47.720
And then all of a sudden, it's it gives like

1539
01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:53.520
abound and a bound and then it leaps. It did

1540
01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:57.319
like a long jump essentially, but like further than like

1541
01:35:57.399 --> 01:35:59.399
you're like a normal long job. It was like it

1542
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:02.520
must have been like twice is twice the distance, but

1543
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:08.319
like it jumps, it lands and immediately goes into like

1544
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:11.560
a spider crawl position, and it is like puffing its

1545
01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.800
cheeks and just breathing and like looking around and like

1546
01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:19.239
like what's going on? Like look like like it was

1547
01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:21.840
clear that I was not supposed to be there, and

1548
01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:26.800
it was it was trying to like size me up

1549
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:28.399
and try to figure out what to do with me

1550
01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:31.720
because I wasn't I wasn't moving. I stood backed up

1551
01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:35.319
let him see me, and it was just like he

1552
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:37.680
was looking at me. Then he looked at the trees

1553
01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:40.640
behind me, and then he's looking at me like he

1554
01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:43.039
looks at the trees behind me. I look over and

1555
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:45.880
I see as soon as I break eye contact with him,

1556
01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:49.520
he looks at me again and he starts with his

1557
01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:53.279
long arms. He starts to pull himself through. He starts moving.

1558
01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:56.520
I was like, no, don't do it, don't do it.

1559
01:36:57.239 --> 01:36:59.960
And he looks again and he like SLINKs in there.

1560
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:01.800
You can hear him just like crashing and I could

1561
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:06.319
see his arms grabbing like branches as he's like pulling

1562
01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:10.520
and like sort of like swinging through and then like

1563
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:12.680
just crashing.

1564
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:12.680
Through the woods.

1565
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:15.279
And I was like, all right, I'm going as I'm going,

1566
01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:19.640
and I start walking. I don't I don't run, but

1567
01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:26.079
I'm like walking briskly to the to the other cluster

1568
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:32.119
of woods. And as soon as I get to the

1569
01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:36.359
next cluster woods, I start running. And so as soon

1570
01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:39.119
as I get out the clearing of this cluster of woods,

1571
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.039
he's already running up to the next cluster woods in

1572
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:46.479
front of me. He's already ready to intercept me, like

1573
01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:51.359
he'd beat me to like the next field over, and

1574
01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:55.199
it was just I was thinking he was just like

1575
01:37:56.159 --> 01:37:58.920
messing around, about to come out of the bush or

1576
01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:02.399
out of those trees behind me, start chasing me that way.

1577
01:38:02.439 --> 01:38:04.199
But he didn't. He back trucked.

1578
01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:07.239
He went all the way around and like caught up

1579
01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:09.680
with me, and he was ready. He was looking and

1580
01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:12.640
he yanked the tree. He yanked the tree cleaned down.

1581
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:15.720
He just broke the branch right off. He's like rocking

1582
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:20.399
and he's just like trying to just keep his I guess,

1583
01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:23.640
keep his composure. But he's like rocking and he's like

1584
01:38:24.399 --> 01:38:28.600
getting real huffy, and I'm just like walking again.

1585
01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:31.279
I'm like looking at him, making an eye contact.

1586
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:33.760
He's looking at me, and then he looks over again

1587
01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:36.800
and I see what he's going to do. And like

1588
01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:39.920
there's a choke point where there's a cluster of trees

1589
01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:42.560
on the left and the one he was was on

1590
01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:46.159
the right, and there was like this thin point where

1591
01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:50.439
they come together, is about fifteen feet separation between the two,

1592
01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:52.960
and I had to go through that, and so I

1593
01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:56.039
start walking as fast, briskly, as fast as I can,

1594
01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:58.760
and he darts into the woods and they can hear

1595
01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:03.279
him just like hing through, and about midway he pops

1596
01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:08.279
his head up and it's and then he pops it

1597
01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:13.199
back down and I get through past the choke point,

1598
01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:17.319
and I can hear him crashing behind me, and I'm

1599
01:39:17.359 --> 01:39:19.760
looking over my shoulder at him to see what's about

1600
01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:23.279
to happen, and like he gets within like ten feet

1601
01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:25.479
of me, and he just stops. It goes dead silent,

1602
01:39:26.199 --> 01:39:29.079
just dead silent, and I'm like thinking I'm about to

1603
01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:32.560
die or get ripped apart or whatever, and like he

1604
01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:36.640
was on me and he just stopped, and I just

1605
01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:39.520
kept walking and walking, and there was another big cluster

1606
01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:41.680
and all of a sudden, I hear him. They come

1607
01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:45.000
out and he's running to the next cluster of trees,

1608
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:48.640
but this one's much bigger. And I get in there

1609
01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:51.960
and it's like a longer stretch and there's like a

1610
01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:58.680
little like clearing inside that cluster of trees, and he's

1611
01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:00.520
right there, right in the middle of it, and there's

1612
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:04.960
like trees like snapped over and bent and like something

1613
01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:07.319
he's been thrashing over. Well, obviously it's been thrashing around

1614
01:40:07.359 --> 01:40:10.560
in there. And that's that was his little spot, and

1615
01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:14.159
I'm walking through essentially his living room and he's like

1616
01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:18.520
hanging on there and like he's like just chomping his

1617
01:40:18.600 --> 01:40:21.319
teeth and like I can't see that just top teeth.

1618
01:40:21.079 --> 01:40:23.199
But his bottom teeth we're sticking out a little bit.

1619
01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:26.199
And he's just like looking at me, and I'm trying

1620
01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.399
to maintain eye contact with him and just be as

1621
01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.199
assertive as possible. And it broke eye contact with me,

1622
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:36.920
and it looked down and it's still like puffing itself up,

1623
01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:40.319
but it's not making like it's like retreating its eye

1624
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.119
contact with me. And like looking back, I'm like, I

1625
01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:44.199
shouldn't have been doing that.

1626
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:45.039
I shouldn't have.

1627
01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:48.399
Been like making like direct eye contact like that, But

1628
01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:55.239
it happened to work in that situation. But uh, most primates,

1629
01:40:55.239 --> 01:41:01.279
it's like a challenge, and usually that means you're you're behind,

1630
01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:01.600
you know.

1631
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:04.159
But as I as I.

1632
01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:08.680
Passed through, he's just sort of like rocking back and forth.

1633
01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:10.960
And I passed through and there's a clearing just the

1634
01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:13.000
field and I can see the trail and I get

1635
01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:17.279
to the trail and I'm like about to hyperventilate, and

1636
01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:20.520
I'm like, but I have to like run, It's time

1637
01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.319
to run, And like I'm breathing I got my hands

1638
01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:25.319
on my knees and I can. I'm looking down and

1639
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:29.319
I'm seeing like scattered bone piles of like like moose

1640
01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:33.720
that have been like killed like previous summers. Like there

1641
01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:35.880
was a lot of bones, and I'm just standing on

1642
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:39.119
top of this killed these multiple kill piles, and I'm like,

1643
01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:40.840
I really have to get out of there. So I

1644
01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:44.399
ran the hardest I ever ran in my life down

1645
01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:51.640
that trail and got through and like never mentioned it

1646
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:54.239
to anybody, and like, I don't know.

1647
01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:54.680
It's just.

1648
01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:01.479
I think I compartmentalize the whole situation because I remember

1649
01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:05.079
going there, but I didn't but it was always like

1650
01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:10.600
broken up memories and I'd never really made the connection

1651
01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:14.680
of what had happened. I like I think I blacked

1652
01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:21.680
it out and I only remembered it until it like

1653
01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:24.319
like last month when my wife had was talking to

1654
01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:25.800
me and we were driving the car and there was

1655
01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:28.760
like the background of the light and like something something

1656
01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:35.560
about the situation just like like created a snowball effect

1657
01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:37.720
where I started remembering stuff and then like all of

1658
01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:41.680
a sudden, I'm like really like piecing things together and

1659
01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:47.439
it just like all just like like hit me, like

1660
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:51.960
I experienced this part, and like I didn't have any

1661
01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:55.760
recollection up until just then of this part that that

1662
01:42:56.439 --> 01:43:00.399
happened because I had remembered walking through the woods and

1663
01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:03.000
like all this stuff. But like the the most intense

1664
01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:07.279
part was like the the close up when when I

1665
01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:11.319
was in that clearing where he was like making eye

1666
01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:13.279
contact with me. He couldn't have been more than like

1667
01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:19.720
twenty twenty feet away, and like the light was like dappled,

1668
01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:25.119
and but you know you could see like his his

1669
01:43:25.239 --> 01:43:31.880
whole like fur pattern was crazy. He he had like

1670
01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:34.039
like a blonde patch on the front side of his

1671
01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:39.800
around like the brim of his face. His the skin

1672
01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:42.840
on his face was was splatchy and like freckly kind

1673
01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:47.960
of the hair was like a like a rich red there.

1674
01:43:48.199 --> 01:43:49.960
The head came up to a point, you know, the

1675
01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:55.199
classic sasquatch look. But like a lot of what I've

1676
01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:56.840
seen in like a lot of the drawings, this guy

1677
01:43:56.840 --> 01:43:58.600
didn't have. It was more like lanky.

1678
01:43:59.800 --> 01:43:59.920
Uh.

1679
01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:05.119
It's so muscular, but like elongated muscles, you know, like

1680
01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:08.880
a like a like a like a long tube. Like

1681
01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:10.720
you could see the muscles were there, but it was

1682
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:15.359
not like big bull g muscles. They were just strong,

1683
01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:22.520
long muscles and like his reach was crazy. That guy

1684
01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:27.479
I believe he was probably like about nine or ten

1685
01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:31.079
feet tall. Uh. But the.

1686
01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:35.920
That that was, that was.

1687
01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:41.600
That was probably the most intense moment, I mean of

1688
01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:49.079
my life. But it, uh, it had left me with

1689
01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:52.279
like I'd always often have like these these nightmares of

1690
01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:56.600
like Bigfoot coming to get me. I didn't understand why

1691
01:44:56.840 --> 01:45:02.439
until it was like I had like started piecing things

1692
01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:07.000
together and it and it really is shocking, like how

1693
01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:15.760
much my brain had like compartmentalized everything about it. And yeah,

1694
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:22.720
I don't know, it's just uh with the with a

1695
01:45:22.760 --> 01:45:26.520
lot of this stuff, it it always kept a leveling

1696
01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:29.359
of anxiety. You know, every time you go camping, anytime

1697
01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:34.520
you go out, there's always like they might be out there,

1698
01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:36.439
they might be just right next to you, you know,

1699
01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:42.239
and it's it's it's unsettling because it's if they if

1700
01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:45.960
they wanted to, they like you couldn't. There's nothing you

1701
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:53.119
could do to like really stop them. And uh, but

1702
01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:58.640
like they the personality, it's like there was a difference

1703
01:45:58.680 --> 01:46:01.439
in personality. I would say between the two.

1704
01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:05.159
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1705
01:46:21.680 --> 01:46:26.039
Like yeah, the black the black skinned one the black

1706
01:46:26.079 --> 01:46:35.600
third one was very like very aloof, very shy. But

1707
01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:42.479
this the red one with the blonde uh patches, I

1708
01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:45.399
also had patches on his chest, but like the patchwork

1709
01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:50.159
on on that one was crazy. But like the personality

1710
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:54.000
is more more aggressive.

1711
01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:59.159
We'll be back with more big foot society after these

1712
01:46:59.159 --> 01:47:01.439
words from ours.

1713
01:47:03.199 --> 01:47:06.239
Way more aggressive. Maybe I just surprised him and that's

1714
01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:09.600
why he was aggressive. But like it just he was

1715
01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:16.600
very much showing himself to me, and like it it

1716
01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:20.439
seemed like to like polar opposites in terms of like personality.

1717
01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:24.000
Josh, thank you for I mean that that is probably

1718
01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:31.079
the most intense encounter I've I've heard, I would say

1719
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:34.760
across the board. I mean, first off, thank you for

1720
01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:40.119
being vulnerable enough to share that that that is extremely

1721
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.960
extremely intense, And no one would ever blame you for

1722
01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.760
not going into the woods or camping by yourself ever,

1723
01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:52.359
Like that's hands down the best reason not too. I mean,

1724
01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.039
I totally understand how you're camping in groups now, and

1725
01:47:55.720 --> 01:47:58.319
it sounds like you're you're working through it, which is

1726
01:47:58.640 --> 01:47:59.399
which is great.

1727
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:02.359
Yeah.

1728
01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:06.520
Yeah, it's like I I do have to like remember

1729
01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:10.199
that like as much as like there's like an anxiety

1730
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:14.600
about like like not wanting to do things. I have

1731
01:48:14.680 --> 01:48:17.000
to do things for my daughter in order for her

1732
01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:22.720
to like really grow up and like be like like

1733
01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:26.920
like a happy, healthy person, you know, and like and

1734
01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:29.319
sometimes you just got to invite the big one and

1735
01:48:29.399 --> 01:48:34.239
just like sort of deal with it and not sort

1736
01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:37.840
of put that that that terror of that fear in her.

1737
01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:42.159
But just like health, a healthy respect is what that

1738
01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:44.479
was what I'm trying to get for her. But like

1739
01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:48.920
it's it's real hard to like just like keep it

1740
01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:54.560
together when you're like, you know, it's like you're just

1741
01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:55.880
you're exposed, you.

1742
01:48:55.840 --> 01:49:00.960
Know, absolutely when you're going through that the whole situation

1743
01:49:01.279 --> 01:49:06.600
with the creature chasing you. Thinking back to that time period,

1744
01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:11.479
if you had to say, would you say you were

1745
01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:18.159
getting more human like characteristics or aplate characteristics or was

1746
01:49:18.199 --> 01:49:23.199
it something completely different than the two, I.

1747
01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:28.720
Would say I've I've seen like people exhibit those those

1748
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:36.199
those behaviors, but like in terms of like like a connection,

1749
01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:42.079
like we were both like I would say, it's more

1750
01:49:42.159 --> 01:49:44.840
on the human side, like and just like the intelligence

1751
01:49:44.920 --> 01:49:50.279
level was there, like the spark was there, and like

1752
01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:54.720
the way I look at it, it's like we have

1753
01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:57.199
all these modern conveniences. We can do a lot of

1754
01:49:57.239 --> 01:49:59.279
things because we have machines to help us do it,

1755
01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:02.359
and with them, it's like none of that.

1756
01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:05.479
So you're you can run.

1757
01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:08.159
Faster, you can leap farther, you can move quicker, you

1758
01:50:08.199 --> 01:50:13.800
can grab things quicker, you can get low, and you

1759
01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:17.600
can crawl, and you can climb, and you can do

1760
01:50:17.680 --> 01:50:20.119
all the things you need to survive and get up

1761
01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:25.119
on like whatever you're trying to get. But to do

1762
01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:27.840
that in like a subarctic environment where the winters are

1763
01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:33.079
so harsh, like no clothes on, like it's crazy, but

1764
01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:35.600
like if you look at the fur and all that stuff,

1765
01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:41.319
it's just it's just they've adapted to just being outside.

1766
01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:42.840
But the the.

1767
01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:49.399
Feet and like the hands, everything is very human, but

1768
01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:53.960
the proportions are like like much tolerted. If I were

1769
01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:59.359
I was like looking through like all the hammedid species

1770
01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:03.680
and like the like I would say, like if I

1771
01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:06.359
were to guess, I would say it's somewhere between like

1772
01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:12.119
Homo habilists and Homo erectus, but with like the height

1773
01:51:12.319 --> 01:51:16.920
of like chromagnont so like you're like ten twelve feet tall,

1774
01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:21.800
but like still very like the face was like the

1775
01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:25.399
bone structure and all that stuff, and like like it

1776
01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:28.560
did have like like eight features, but it was more

1777
01:51:28.680 --> 01:51:31.479
human than eight. It's like just a little human.

1778
01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:31.920
It's like.

1779
01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:38.319
Just our side of on the evolutionary tree.

1780
01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:38.760
It's just.

1781
01:51:40.279 --> 01:51:48.399
But just massive, like tall, massive and incredibly powerful. But

1782
01:51:48.600 --> 01:51:51.439
the but the spark of intelligence, the fact that he

1783
01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:54.800
intercepted me, he knew what I was doing, and we're

1784
01:51:55.760 --> 01:51:58.760
caught up in this cat and mouse game of like

1785
01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:04.560
just observing each other and trying to maintain distance and

1786
01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:07.720
all that stuff, and we're gauging each other. You can't

1787
01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:09.720
get that with like a bear or anything like that.

1788
01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:13.880
Or yeah, but they're they'll run or they'll they'll charge you,

1789
01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:18.359
but this was totally different. Like he could charge me,

1790
01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:22.199
but he didn't because he wanted to observe me, and

1791
01:52:23.079 --> 01:52:29.159
we're both at this weird like standoff and it was

1792
01:52:30.600 --> 01:52:33.000
that but just just knowing that.

1793
01:52:33.039 --> 01:52:34.520
Like they're.

1794
01:52:36.680 --> 01:52:41.680
He was consciously letting me slide, you know, like he

1795
01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:44.880
could have he could have reached out and just snatched

1796
01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:49.479
me up in a second like it, but he didn't.

1797
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.319
And so I think that that's.

1798
01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:57.439
That makes me feel better, Like in some ways that

1799
01:52:57.640 --> 01:53:01.800
there's like a certain level of consciousness where like they're

1800
01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:06.439
not just killing machines, like they're intelligent thinking creatures. Like

1801
01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:12.279
it feels more like more like a person than than

1802
01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:15.720
an animals, just like a superhuman.

1803
01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:18.239
I guess wow.

1804
01:53:19.640 --> 01:53:23.159
I mean that that encounter alone, I think you would

1805
01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:27.319
be set for you know, the rest of your life.

1806
01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:28.079
I mean.

1807
01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:32.920
Hopefully. I mean, I hope that's the worst thing that

1808
01:53:32.960 --> 01:53:34.039
you've ever gone through.

1809
01:53:34.600 --> 01:53:35.039
That was.

1810
01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:37.880
That had to been extremely rough.

1811
01:53:39.079 --> 01:53:40.640
Well, I mean.

1812
01:53:42.319 --> 01:53:46.640
I went out too out here in Oregon the like

1813
01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:49.920
after I did it a little, you know, you do

1814
01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:52.039
do your research. You start looking at things and start

1815
01:53:52.039 --> 01:53:54.920
piecing things together, and you start to realize like how

1816
01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:58.359
much signs you were overlooking. And then once you once,

1817
01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:02.279
once you start like once the veil is like like

1818
01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:04.960
removed and you're really looking and see what things for

1819
01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:05.479
what they are.

1820
01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:07.720
I was out in.

1821
01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:18.560
Sun River just the previous weekend and I left my

1822
01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:21.039
phone in the truck and it was pitch black out there.

1823
01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:23.520
There's not a lot of light out there. It's like

1824
01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:27.279
way out in the country. It's just south of Bend,

1825
01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:31.720
kind of high desert, real dry, and I figured I

1826
01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:34.319
was like pretty safe because it seems like they like

1827
01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:36.479
to like hang out in like wet places and the

1828
01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:37.399
creeks and whatnot.

1829
01:54:38.239 --> 01:54:39.800
But it just.

1830
01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:43.520
Something about it, like that pitch black. What I did

1831
01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:46.319
was I just gave a little like whistle just to

1832
01:54:46.319 --> 01:54:48.439
see if anything would react, and I could hear it,

1833
01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:54.079
like something something started moving right towards me at an

1834
01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:59.159
angle from like one hundred yards out like in the woods,

1835
01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:04.760
stopping right before the road. And then like like three

1836
01:55:04.840 --> 01:55:09.159
or four steps was like about thirty feet, like just

1837
01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:13.399
something huge was like got to me. And then it

1838
01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:17.680
was like starting to circle around me. And I said,

1839
01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:22.920
I'm not about to be like go fumbling for my phone,

1840
01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:25.239
and with the pitch black behind me, with a monster

1841
01:55:25.319 --> 01:55:27.800
in the darkness, I was like, all right, I'll get.

1842
01:55:27.760 --> 01:55:28.479
My phone tomorrow.

1843
01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:33.319
And I shut the blinds, cut closed every single curtain

1844
01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:36.199
in that cabin, and like, just like I said, nobody's

1845
01:55:36.199 --> 01:55:41.199
going outside, like why something out there? And like you know,

1846
01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:44.279
you don't, you can't, you can't really just like break

1847
01:55:44.319 --> 01:55:46.600
down and explain all this stuff to somebody that's just

1848
01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:53.920
never experienced it, right, And so but like after that,

1849
01:55:54.039 --> 01:55:59.800
like during that whole week, you know, like at one

1850
01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:03.880
point point, we're coming home from dinner and my daughter

1851
01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:07.359
and my life are like adding and talking about whatever,

1852
01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:10.279
and like in the distance, I can I can hear

1853
01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:17.199
something over about the river just going m m like

1854
01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:21.479
just giving like a like a gentle like like who sound.

1855
01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:24.560
And it wasn't like a bird. It was like a primate, right,

1856
01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:30.039
and but it was like a couple of miles down

1857
01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:32.640
the road, but like you could hear it, and like

1858
01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:37.079
I'm it's like you don't. I don't want to like

1859
01:56:37.319 --> 01:56:40.680
just sort of spoil the fun to say, hey, daddy,

1860
01:56:40.760 --> 01:56:44.119
hears some noises in the in the distance, like everybody's

1861
01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:45.760
having a good time. I'm not going about to spoil

1862
01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:49.520
the party. But like I went and checked out the

1863
01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:55.880
I like to freak with the bigfoot sightings, like blotter map.

1864
01:56:55.920 --> 01:56:56.960
I have one on my Uh.

1865
01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:04.760
It's an arc G I s calm, oh.

1866
01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:11.680
Yeah, it's bigfoot sightings and density of the US with biomes.

1867
01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:18.960
That's let's see. I'll send you the link. But I

1868
01:57:19.479 --> 01:57:23.560
checked the down in your in Oregon. I checked the

1869
01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:25.720
cabin and like.

1870
01:57:27.159 --> 01:57:28.039
Not maybe like.

1871
01:57:31.279 --> 01:57:33.720
About a mile mile and a half two miles away

1872
01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:39.199
there were two like reported sightings just just south of

1873
01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:42.760
the cabin. So it wasn't just like something in my head.

1874
01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:46.119
I was just hearing things like stepping around and maybe

1875
01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:48.239
it's just me being paranoid because I saw so.

1876
01:57:48.279 --> 01:57:49.159
Much, but.

1877
01:57:51.359 --> 01:57:56.960
It was like close enough and in like there was

1878
01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:00.920
like two sidings and they both are on line, and

1879
01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:04.560
like with the cabin, so like I was clearly in

1880
01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:09.159
the path of whatever it would be coming through, and

1881
01:58:09.239 --> 01:58:12.439
like so it confirmed to me, like it had to

1882
01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:15.119
be that, like if I'm hearing the hoots and I

1883
01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:19.000
can hear it step and it's got massive, you know

1884
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:21.000
how you can, like with Cadence, you can like you

1885
01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:22.640
don't have to see it, but you can hear it

1886
01:58:22.680 --> 01:58:29.239
and you can tell that it's like it's big and

1887
01:58:29.319 --> 01:58:31.800
sort of like I'm able to like that's saying and

1888
01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:37.600
I'm tracking it through the darkness, right, But it like

1889
01:58:37.680 --> 01:58:41.079
it confirmed to me, yeah, that that I was right.

1890
01:58:42.720 --> 01:58:47.800
They're out there. It's okay, and like you know, nothing happened,

1891
01:58:49.079 --> 01:58:52.039
but you know it's it's just.

1892
01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:56.279
You realize like with all the.

1893
01:58:57.960 --> 01:59:00.560
I've been watching, I've been listening to your show for

1894
01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:02.920
for a bit, and it's like there's just so many

1895
01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:07.239
sightings and they're all over the place, and and I

1896
01:59:07.279 --> 01:59:10.560
see these shows where they they're they're going deep, deep

1897
01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:14.239
into the mountains and like getting reaction shots and like

1898
01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:17.239
trying to like hunt down this thing.

1899
01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:20.920
And and I don't think they need to go that far.

1900
01:59:21.319 --> 01:59:23.640
Like a lot of people that find them are just

1901
01:59:23.680 --> 01:59:25.920
like in their local park, Like I'm just off the trail,

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01:59:26.800 --> 01:59:30.319
you know, or like some do. Some are way up

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in the mountains.

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But it's like it's.

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Wherever there's water and whether there's food, they're probably there.

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It's uh, you know, it's like so it's out of

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01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:49.239
your control, right, so you can't you can't do anything

1908
01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:53.159
about it, but like you know, live your life.

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And so.

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I've just been sort of like trying to use that

1911
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to like comfort myself.

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Really, I've been trying to to think in my mind

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of how to categorize you, Josh, because it's it's very

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interesting because it's almost like so I would say it's

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like you're a hunter, but you've had your eyes opened

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02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.880
and you're very aware of what really is out in

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the woods. I don't know, is that would you agree

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with that?

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Or you have to be you kind of have to

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be a hunter. So it's like sort of like so

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02:00:29.439 --> 02:00:34.479
like like you can't just like go out and looking

1922
02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:38.359
for bigfoot because you're overlooking the signs, Like you you

1923
02:00:38.359 --> 02:00:41.680
got to know how to track, like judge the winds,

1924
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You got to know where you're standing, like what's around you,

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and just that alone, like you should be able to,

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like if you hear something outside the tent, you should

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be able to identify what it.

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Sounds, like, what it is and where it's at and

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02:00:57.359 --> 02:00:58.960
if you should be asleep or if you should be

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02:00:59.079 --> 02:01:02.560
like pull in the safety off and like wait for

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the big show, you know. But it's yeah, I would

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say that that that's definitely like a good way to

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categorize it. The the whole, the whole thing is just

1934
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like I when I when I look, because I grew

1935
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up caribou hunting, we'd be glassing up on kills out

1936
02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:32.920
in the tundra, and like if I'm out hunting with

1937
02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:36.039
other people from say from the Lord forty eight, I'm

1938
02:01:36.079 --> 02:01:38.920
I'm looking at deer that are like five miles away

1939
02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:41.159
up on a hilltop and I'm able to see him

1940
02:01:41.199 --> 02:01:44.000
move around, and it's like there's a deer and they're like,

1941
02:01:44.039 --> 02:01:46.119
what are you talking about? And they have to pull

1942
02:01:46.159 --> 02:01:48.720
out the glasses and see it, and then it's like, yeah,

1943
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he's right cow. And like when you're hunting for moose,

1944
02:01:54.479 --> 02:01:58.520
they like to hide in like in the thick cuts

1945
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of like spruce, like black spruce, and like they blend

1946
02:02:02.520 --> 02:02:05.600
in really well. And so you have to like when

1947
02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:07.319
you're driving down the road, you have to look for

1948
02:02:07.600 --> 02:02:09.520
tracks along the road, but you also have to look

1949
02:02:10.640 --> 02:02:15.720
into the woods, and you're sort of like studying as

1950
02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:17.520
you as you cruise by. You got to look for

1951
02:02:17.560 --> 02:02:20.920
anything that looks out of place, and like you're studying

1952
02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:23.600
as you go. And then like after a while, like

1953
02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:27.039
you you do it instinctively, you don't. Like when I

1954
02:02:27.079 --> 02:02:28.840
was a kid, it was real hard. It was really

1955
02:02:28.880 --> 02:02:30.720
taxing on the brain to do all that stuff. But

1956
02:02:31.279 --> 02:02:33.399
after a while it becomes second nature and then you're

1957
02:02:33.479 --> 02:02:39.560
just just seeing things. And now I'm at this point, yeah,

1958
02:02:39.600 --> 02:02:45.000
where like because I've been raised hunt, I'm able to

1959
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:48.920
notice more and a lot of things are overlooked that

1960
02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:52.319
are like just right under your nose. Like you probably

1961
02:02:52.359 --> 02:02:58.279
had ten encounters and you didn't even know it, you know, But.

1962
02:02:59.720 --> 02:03:03.199
Yeah, it's fascinating to think about. I don't think you're

1963
02:03:03.199 --> 02:03:06.720
too far off. I mean, yeah, it's how many things

1964
02:03:06.720 --> 02:03:09.720
are happening when we're out there, we're just not looking

1965
02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:12.520
at the signs the right way. Totally agree.

1966
02:03:12.840 --> 02:03:17.720
Oh, one trick I've I've learned that really helps is

1967
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if you do go camping, just like if don't don't

1968
02:03:24.279 --> 02:03:26.920
start a fire, just put your back against a tree

1969
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:30.439
and just sit there and just at night and just

1970
02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:34.880
let let everything sort of happen. And you're just quietly

1971
02:03:34.920 --> 02:03:38.119
sitting there, letting nature walk by, all the little creatures

1972
02:03:38.119 --> 02:03:40.000
coming through, Like is it a feel.

1973
02:03:39.840 --> 02:03:41.119
Mouse or is it a dumb truck?

1974
02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:46.800
You know, Uh, you bring switches on and you notice

1975
02:03:46.840 --> 02:03:51.079
a whole lot more after you do that, and say,

1976
02:03:51.119 --> 02:03:52.960
the next time you do gogle camping, just do that.

1977
02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:56.079
Just like sit in the darkness and like let your

1978
02:03:56.159 --> 02:03:59.399
night vision sort of take over and just sort of

1979
02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:06.279
listen to the sounds and don't talk. Just listen, listen

1980
02:04:06.319 --> 02:04:11.399
and see smell and your brain switches on you and

1981
02:04:11.479 --> 02:04:14.479
like after that you can smell more, you can see more,

1982
02:04:14.520 --> 02:04:19.079
just more aware. I think if you're if you're in

1983
02:04:19.079 --> 02:04:22.039
a city a lot, there's so much stimulation going on,

1984
02:04:22.119 --> 02:04:24.439
your brain just goes numb to everything, and so you

1985
02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:28.960
gotta stop and unlike shut down and just like sort

1986
02:04:28.960 --> 02:04:31.399
of be present in what's happening right now.

1987
02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:40.039
That's that's fascinating to think about. I think I will

1988
02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:44.600
be definitely taking taking that advice. Josh. This has been

1989
02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:51.560
a very interesting chat, and thank you for being, you know,

1990
02:04:51.600 --> 02:04:54.520
again vulnerable enough to share what's happened to you over

1991
02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:59.439
the years. It is incredible, incredible encounters.

1992
02:04:59.479 --> 02:04:59.720
Man.

1993
02:05:01.279 --> 02:05:03.319
Yeah, it's like it's still you know, I'm still like.

1994
02:05:04.760 --> 02:05:06.359
Piecing more together, but like.

1995
02:05:07.960 --> 02:05:09.640
You know, so at some point you just have to

1996
02:05:09.720 --> 02:05:11.920
like move on and just like let it happen, you know,

1997
02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:17.640
like these things happened and it's okay. And if a

1998
02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:20.560
lot of people they're they're skeptics, they're always going to

1999
02:05:20.600 --> 02:05:24.600
be skeptics. They're just those people you just like, don't

2000
02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:26.560
even spend your wheels, like, don't worry to waste your

2001
02:05:26.600 --> 02:05:29.039
time on them. If they're if they're here, they're listening,

2002
02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:32.920
they've seen it. There's enough people eventually the skeptics will

2003
02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:39.640
will change their tune once some satisfying evidence is presented.

2004
02:05:39.680 --> 02:05:43.079
But like, there's just too too much going on for

2005
02:05:43.159 --> 02:05:45.439
people not to like say, Okay, there's something going on,

2006
02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:45.920
you know.

2007
02:05:47.199 --> 02:05:47.600
Mm hmm.

2008
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Absolutely, if anything does it, I mean, if you're fortunate

2009
02:05:57.319 --> 02:06:00.760
to have additional things happen to you in the future. Please,

2010
02:06:00.840 --> 02:06:03.279
by all means reach out. I would love to chat

2011
02:06:03.279 --> 02:06:06.960
with you again, but it's been a really fun and

2012
02:06:07.079 --> 02:06:09.520
enlightening time talking to you tonight. Josh.

2013
02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:13.039
Oh yeah, I'm just glad you gave me the opportunity, because,

2014
02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:16.199
like it's not something you can just like spout off,

2015
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you know.

2016
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Yeah, thank you.

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2038
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Her and I can get out here, we can tell

2039
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our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's

2040
02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:36.760
too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

2041
02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:39.520
them the courage to come out. And I feel so

2042
02:08:39.680 --> 02:08:42.760
bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know

2043
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what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all

2044
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I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know.

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If you ever see one of these things, you need to.

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Tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know,

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shame on you.