Surrounded on all sides with NO WAY OUT. (Archive Episode)

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have bigfoot activity to report from the same area as discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Bigfoot Society, and now let's get on with the show. Thank you for reaching out. I'm really interested in this area. I always have this on my radar and so when you approached me about it, I was like, oh, this is really interesting. So yeah, I'd love to hear what happened to you guys. Yeah, and I you know, I got to apologize too. I'm not a I'm not so ner was to you know, to speak to you in you know, this general sense of you know, possibly being on the podcast or whatever it may be, but just uh, you know, this happened on the seventeenth, so just Thursday. So I think, uh, I might have to take a couple of beet breaths every once in a while just because it happens so recently.

1:23 So I'll just apologize now for that. So yeah, yeah, my friend and I who this happened to, we we get out all the time, mostly in Iowa, but sometimes in some surrounding states, and we go arrowhead hunting, and you know, we look for agates and judes and things like that. And I go fishing quite a bit. And every month a year of the year, even in Iowa, you know, when it's ten degrees at or zero degrees, I mean outside even you know, whether I'm ice fishing or you know, sometimes you got to break through the ice for the geods. But we're always out there, and so I've had some interesting experiences, and I've I've heard and seen tons of different types of wildlife. I've also traveled all around the United States and I've seen, you know, pretty much any kind of megafona you can see, I've heard them. So last Thursday, my friend and I had planned to go to central Iowa, where we knew there was a certain deposit a lithic shelf of a certain chirt material that occurs and it occurs there, and then it also occurs in northeast Missouri.

2:55 So we were going to camp in that general area. There's night and then we were going to go down to northeast Missouri on Friday, and we were kind of arrowhead hunting along the Des Moines River. As we were making our way to central Iowa. We're going to stay, and I actually had never been over there. I've been to a lot of places in Iowa, you know, very rural Iowa as well, but I've never been over by. But so because we were stopping at so many different places along the Des Moines River on our way there, we didn't actually pull until probably eight twenty eight thirty. So it was twilight when we came in, and there's no electricity run through it, so it's just black at night. It's just dark.

3:49 And as we were driving through we actually came in, there are a few entrances you can go into. We came in on the south side and we made our way kind of just due north through this certain tract and I know there are several campgrounds you can stand, but we stayed in one that was you know, I sent you the map of it that we stayed in one that's kind of like at the north central position. So when we pulled in, you know, it's twilight and there's a little bit of light left, but that light in the sky when you're in a forest is there's not much. You know that you've got seventy foot trees that are just blacks surrounding you. And in this area in Iowa it almost looks like the driftless area.

4:43 A lot of really rolling, beautiful rolling hills and deep ravines and when there is woods, when there is forest, it's thick. For Iowa, at least a lot of forest, and woods in Iowa really are just kind of remnant forest along rivers where farmers ever till you know, they had a lot of really deep ravines and kind of gulges almost some pretty nice little hills. So when we first rolled in we found the camp round that we liked. We hadn't planned it out to where we wanted to stay in that exact campground. We kind of knew we'd play it by air, and we didn't figure there would be many people, if any, Since it was a Thursday night. It was kind of hot and it was so remote, but so as we drove through the forest, we didn't happen to see any other vehicles or any other campers, and in this specific campsite there was no one else staying. So I left my vehicle running for the first ten minutes that we got there to fill out the kind of camping information, the little tag you fill out for your site, and then to set up. We had two tents. My friend packed well just a one person pop up tent, and I foolishly brought a six person ten. I have a four person ten as well, but my wife was using that at the state Fair. She went and she stayed with her parents there. So we set up the tents,

6:19 we get the fire going, and it's you know, it's probably ten or fifteen minutes of us doing that. I shut the car off, the lights off, and it's pretty well dark by now. There's not much of twilight at all left. It's to my recollection too. There was no moon that night, and I at least I never happened to see one. So after we get the fire going, we we both took our flashlights, which again I usually camp with a mag flashlight. That has just like an unbelievable amount of women's power to it. I sent that with my wife though, so I just have my phone flashlight. We were going around this campsite, which is probably it's a cleared area that's probably two hundred yards long one hundred and fifty yards long by seventy or eighty yards wide, and the width certainly varies throughout the campsite, and we were staying in the southeast corner, so we made our way around with our phone flashlights, and we're just grabbing twigs and branches that had fallen, and we were checking the other fire rings to see if anyone had left any logs when they put their fire out, and actually most of the fire rings still had grass growing at them. So I don't think people camp at this Maybe they don't even camp. Maybe there's a reason,

7:54 you know, but they may just not camp at this particular site very much. So when we were setting up the tent and getting the fire going, I heard a pack of coyotes maybe a half mile out, maybe a quarter mile away from us to the northwest. And I don't know that this really plays into the story, but I'll mention it. We heard them for maybe ten minutes, and they kind of quieted down. They may have moved off to where I couldn't hear them, or they may have just stopped making their noise. But I was at the northwest corner of this entire campsite, looking at the fire rings and then looking for fallen trees and branches, and probably a quarter mile off I heard four consecutive sounds that I just couldn't place.

8:52 It were really loud, but they were pretty far off, and I could tell it came from something big. But I just, you know, I kind of went through the rolodex of animal noises that I know as I heard it, and I couldn't place it. So I met back with my friend at our camping site and I said, hey, you know, did you hear that? And he said yeah. I said, was that an elk bugling or something? You know? We don't have elk in Iowa anymore. I think they were hunted out by either the late eighteen hundreds or the early nineteen hundreds. I've certainly seen elk on farms in the state, but I didn't happen to notice any elk farms near us, And this wasn't really an elk bugling. It wasn't that noise. I was just trying to maybe even get an answer, knowing my friend wouldn't have the answer. But he kind of laughed about and said, I don't know what that was, man, but I don't think it's now. And we weren't that concerned about it.

9:50 I didn't think about it, so, you know, we find it kind of finished grabbing our wood around the side, and we then sat by the fire and got it going a little bit. But I only brought probably enough fire for to keep it going until about three or four in the morning. And I wanted to kind of be conservative with it too, because I knew it was going to drop down in the fifties that night, and if you've ever camped, you know when it gets down to the forties and fifties, it can be miserable, you know, even if you're dressed in layers and everything. So I came the fire going when it gets that cold.

10:31 So we had kind of a small fire going, but we were sitting around it. He was to my left, my friend, and I was. I started cooking a broadworst over the fire. The way our site is set up. The specific when we were camping at it's probably I mean, it's pretty close to the woodline on the southeast corner, and I think we were or you know, maybe ten or fifteen yards away from the tree line. And it's been at this point, probably fifteen twenty minutes since we heard the coyotes kind of quiet down and then those initial four loud noises that we couldn't place. It's just pitch black at this point. The stars are kind of starting to come out, but again there's you know that night when the stars are coming out, you can really only see, you know, a pretty select portion of the sky, just because all of the horizon is the drowned up by the trees. So as I'm cooking this broad Worsman, you know, I'm talking with my friend, we hear a sound one hundred and fifty yards behind us, diagonally to basically the northwest corner of the entire campsite.

12:00 And it sounded like it came from you know, an amplifier or a bull horn or an air horn. It was so unbelievably loud. And if I'm sure, if anyone does hear this, and even if no one does, and it's just you who hears this, I know there's no way you haven't heard it. So I'll just say in this Sierra Sounds the very beginning, and you know a little bit throughout the recording. You know, they're the sort of howls or the whoops that sound off in the recording, and it's so distinctive. It's such a distinct noise, that's what we heard. And immediately following that, from that same location, as soon as the whoop died down, there was that garbled I mean, that mumbling chatter, same thing you know that you can you can hear in the Sierra Sounds. And even though I've listened to the Sierra Sounds countless times because it's so unbelievably interesting and mind boggling to me, and going into this experience, you know, I fully believed in sasquatch because not only does it make sense, even though to

13:31 a degree it's it's hard to wrap your head around, but I've also had experiences which you know I've I've reached out to you about recently, but I didn't connect it to that at all, you know, not in the least. As soon as I heard that, every hair on my body stood up just electrically. It was just so unbelievably loud. I've heard elk bugle before. I've heard cows, you know, when the casts are separated from their mothers and you hear them kind of crying out all night, or I've heard cows injured too, and the unbelievable volume of their moves that's, you know, unbelievably loud in itself. But this just put that to shame. So even having heard this her sound so many times in my life, I still didn't I didn't know what this was. In the first moment or two, you know, I did the human thing again of sort of going through the rolodex in my head of you know, what what was that? What what biological creature, animal being makes that sound? And I came up with nothing.

14:54 And I turned to my friend and, you know, still knowing I wouldn't get an answer, but just you know, it's also such a human thing to say, you know what was that or give me an answer. I turned to him and I just said, you know, why was that? You know what made that noise? And his face was so I've known this guy for years, and I've spent such an amazing amount of time with this guy who's a super close friend of mine. I've just never seen him this serious or he had such a grave look on his face, and it was like he knew right away. He said that had to be Bigfoot.

15:37 And my first reaction, even as a believer, you know, an experiencer, I still said, there's no way. You know, you're ful of me, There's no way. But as soon as he said that, it was like it unlocked. I don't know this this thing in my in my mind, and I immediately remembered the Sierra sounds then, and I was able to connect that noise to something I'd actually heard before. And I mean, my heart just sank as as that sort of set into too my head. Just the the immediate acceptance almost was terrifying because we're in the middle of nowhere.

16:18 It's just so remote. It's in the middle of nowhere in Iowa. Is even if believe, there's nothing but agricultural fields around it, you know, other rolling hills, rivers, agricultural fields. So we were so remote, it's just pitch black, more surrounded by woods. You know, I hear this thing that I am realizing is Bigfoot, and even if it's not, this is unbelievably loud noise, unbelievably loud, but so some of this had just happened so quickly after this then, so you know, I turned to my friend. I asked, what was that. He says, it's bigfoot. It sets an me that this is what this is. And then within seconds to our right and probably fifty or sixty feet in front of us, into the tree line, I heard tree knocks. And I've never heard that before. I've I've told you I've had experiences before, I've gone into pretty detail as to what those experiences were with you, but I've never heard tree knocks before. I've never heard vocalizations like this in person. And the tree knocks came in sequences of two. There were three sequences of two.

17:40 So it was knock knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, And it wasn't like I imagined a tree knock would be. I've heard people describe it where it sounds like, you know, someone's taking a Louisville sluggrin just slamming it against a tree and going back to the Sierra sounds. You hear that sort of ricocheting ping as these tree knocks are occurring. In the recordings, this wasn't like that. This was this was pretty loud, but it was almost like a muffled or a muted knock. I've also heard not just woodpeckers throughout my life, but different species of woodpeckers too, And there's such an unbelievable difference between you know, any kind of a woodpecker. There's this sort of hollow resonance that sounds from their bill as they drill into a tree, and it's they can do slowly. These sort of bats sort of drills into trees as as they're you know, going around and pecking into the tree.

18:52 But I've never heard one keep a measured time in this way. And I've also never heard one that sounded like this. And I've also never heard of woodpecker at night. I'm not claiming that they don't, you know, make sounds at night, but I've just never heard one. So as soon as we hear that tree knock now to our kind of diagonally to our right, you know, I turn to my friend again. I say, Okay, we got to get out of here, like right now. You know, we can either pack up or I don't care. At this point, we can leave all of our stuff we got to get out of here because I know what's happening now. You know, there's a call and a response.

19:37 So we have two of them, and I maybe generally know where they are, but I can't see them. I don't know what they want. I don't know what they're doing. But we also didn't. We didn't go into this experience looking for this at all. You know, I listened to Bigfoot podcasts all the time, I read accounts online all the time. I read historical accounts that seemed to be related to Bigfoot or Sasquatch all the time. I don't want to experience them anymore. The idea of, you know, running into something like this in the woods or even in a controlled setting just doesn't I don't want that at all. I know some people want that to learn more, or just people who haven't experienced it, and I totally get that. I totally understand that. That's now why we went after these woods. I didn't know that they would be out there. I wasn't looking for them. So as my friend and I are having this sort of frantic I don't know, I'm just trying to come to terms this conversation of you know, what do we do, because even though in my head I knew, hey, we need to leave, it was the strangest saying that we stayed, you know, and I didn't really understand why. When I thought

21:11 about it and when I talked about it. I told my wife this story probably four times now, you know, maybe the third or fourth time I told her, she said, it sounds like, you guys, we're experiencing the sort of sensation of being prey. You know, if you imagine a rabbit, they just sit still for so long until the last second and then maybe they bolt or you know, maybe that's their last second. Maybe they don't ever move and they get you know, taking my whatever is preying upon them. I don't know. We stayed. I can't really explain it.

21:59 We stayed in our chair too during you know, hearing this, I just I don't know. I just couldn't. I couldn't move. Almostly, I could, I could move my body around, but I just couldn't bring myself a stand up. So we shined our phone flashlights into the into the tree line in front of us and behind us as well. And you know, I didn't see anything. My friend didn't see anything. As we're shining our lights around us, trying to see anything. Diagonally to our left, we hear something moving in the woods and there's a sort of a subtle ravine that gets pretty. To be honest, I never went and looked at it before any of this happened while there was still some twilight. Sorry, I'm sitting outside on a gravel road and every once in a while there might be a car of the passes. I never went and looked at this ravine, but I could kind of see when there was still a bit of light left when we had first arrived, that it seemed to go down in a pretty drastic sense, down to a pretty deep gulch diagonal to our left, maybe you know, two hundred feet off that seemed to be where this movement was coming from. That we started to hear and it didn't last long, but you

23:30 could hear something moving through the woods on two feet at a very slow cadence, and it was breaking things as it moved. I don't know if it was breaking branches on trees. I don't know if it was breaking things that had already fallen to the forest floor. I've heard deer move through the woods. Usually you don't really hear them move through the woods. But if they are in a sort of lack the daisical mind said, you can hear them brushing against things. They don't really break things that they move through the woods. This thing, it just sounded massive and it just every step that it took you could hear things just cracking breaking around it. So this just adds to the intensity of all this and the fear. The you know, I've had. I've had some pretty wild close calls in my life. I used to be pretty careless and reckless and pretty wild as a younger dude. And I've had some pretty close to near death experiences. And if I'm being honest, they're probably near death experiences things that happen so fast that you don't really realize until a moment after ten moments after that was pretty close. The adrenaline spike I had immediately during this, it was just through the roof. So

25:04 we're sitting around the fire. We now are aware that there's at least possibly three things surrounding us, and they seem to be communicating and they may even be getting closer. We're in a very hushed sense having this conversation of just constantly saying, what do we do? You know, we need to leave, but again we don't leave. I just can't explain it. And I knew from the just the start of it that we needed to leave. It's just one of those I don't know if it was shocked or what, but it must have been another ten or fifteen minutes of us just sitting looking back and forth in the dark around the fire, every once in a while, shining our flashlights in front of us, in the woods behind us, and we just don't see anything within that ten or fifteen minute window of us, you know, sitting and I don't know, waiting to see what happened.

26:11 Next. We heard a little bit of movement in the woods diagonally to our right where we heard the tree knocks, and i agonally to the left where we heard this thing moving up, you know, through this this ravine, not much and the movements weren't anything dramatic. We didn't hear anything crashing quickly through the woods, nothing vocalizing, nothing like that. But every time we heard something, it was it was just like a life or death fear, you know that, you know, spiked the adrenaline all over again, or maybe even higher than before so after this, I'll say, a fifteen minute window of the initial noise happening behind us one hundred and fifty yards or so at the northwest corner of the site. I should say, also, as we're sitting around the fire, I'm on the right, my friend is on my left. Again, we have the woods ten or fifteen yards in front of us, and my vehicle is parked probably twenty feet behind me, and my tent is set up kind of diagonally to the left behind me. I could see around my tent into the clearing, but my end, my friend had basically like a perfectly clear view of it. It was it's dark, you know, but with the flash that we could see a little bit into the clearing. So ten or fifteen minutes goes by, and we then hear

27:52 you know, it wasn't another whoop, but we heard such a loud vocalization that was so fast and so loud that I almost I kind of can't wrap my head around what it was, or I guess I should say, I can't explain how this noise sounded. But this is now fifty feet behind us, to the left, you know, diagonally back to the left, and there's this really big tree that, as I told the story, I said it would looked like a cottonwood. That I never saw it in the daylight, and I didn't take the time to try to really see what it was as all this was happening, But it was this big tree kind of back to our left, behind us, and that seemed to be in the moment where this noise came from. So there's this unbelievably loud vocalization and then it's followed by a sequence of three other vocalizations that all happened was in such a fast succession that I can't imagine there was even a moment for this thing to take a breath, which tells me the lung capacity on whatever's doing this must be just unbelievable, which then goes to more of that garbled what people call samurai chatter. And this was kind of on the higher end. It wasn't that low, really basy, like really guttural chatter. This was really It

29:25 was so fast and there were just so many accents, and it just and I say high pitched, even though it was high pitched for what I've heard in the samurai chatter for a human being, This was high pitched, but as soon as its probably two two and a half second sort of chatter of vocalization happens, it then immediately goes out into this just like this just nightmarish yowls. It sounded like what a mountain lion does that really mad territorial.

30:11 Yeah, I'll sound like an idiot doing it, but just sounds it's that really low, pissed off, like get out of here, that territorial. Just mean mean vocalization that they do. But this was, I mean, a mountain lion doesn't have anything on this vocalization. This would have had to be the size of a rhinoceros making, you know, if a mountain lion was nine hundred pounds or something. It was just so so loud, and after that vocalization there was more chatter that it did. And all of this was continuous. It was basically all one vocalization, but it was those four different things happening back to back. So when we initially heard that loud yell or whatever it was, we both jumped out of our seats because and it was one of those things where I don't know that I've I've jumped a million times out of fear in my life, but I don't know that I've ever truly junk. You know. My body might have you know, ARCD before, or I may have been scared up from something, but I jumped out of my seat truly, and as the following, you know, the sort of successions of vocalizations came after that. It's all within seconds of me turning

31:42 around into the dark and my friend who's to my left, and this my tent is not impeding upon his his view of this thing or whatever it may be. You know. It's what I'm trying to say, is I think this thing was using infra sound because the way my friend has described this to me, as we've talked about that entire night and the entire next day, the way he describes it as even louder than I'm telling you now, and I'm saying, you're saying it sounded like the biggest mountain lion, you know, eight times the size of a mountain lion. He thought it was even louder than that. And as we're turning around in the dark, he almost like half said the word mountain lion. He didn't even say a full sentence.

32:42 It was almost like he just said the mountain Lion. And then he said she's coming right for us. And when he said that, I'm looking ahead in the dark where this noise is coming from. I'm sort of turning toward it. I can't see whatever it is, even with the sort of backlighting of the fire. I'm just looking into this empty space. Basically, when he said that, it felt like every one of my innerds, you know, my heart down to my intestines, just dropped into my pelvis. It was the most sinking feeling I've ever felt in my life. And as I as I told my wife the story is, you know, one of the times I told her, I realized what that was and I just broke down crime When I was telling her, it was a subconscious acceptance of you know, you're going to die in this moment, and before my brain could accept it, my body accepted it. Hearing that vocalization and me assuming what this was, and then hearing my friend saying She's coming right for us, that combination was just the perfect combination of something in my body saying, Okay, you're going to die, and you know, a second later, as

34:14 she's by the way, as I'm saying, she this is something in experiences. Usually sometimes people see you know, genitalia, they'll see a male and they'll say, oh, that was a male, or they'll see females. I'll say that was female. I did get a look at this thing eventually, but it wasn't a good enough look where I can give an amazing description of what I saw. By any means. When I'm saying female, it's totally just some a sensation. It could have been a male. I don't know, but it and my friend who immediately said she's coming right for us, so he immediately felt that it was a female too, So I'll just say that it was a female, but I don't know. We both sort of got our phones that at the same time and turn the flashlights on and as we did this, the vocalization stops and we see nothing. There's nothing in front of us, you know. We look over at the tree, we're scanning all around with our lights. There's nothing, and it's so mind boggling. My adrenaline is like nonexistently now, it's so through the roof.

35:21 I feel like there's just a mountain of adrenaline above me. Even I'm just so unbelievably freaked out and I turn to my friend and I say, we got to get out of here, you know, leave your tent. I don't care about it. I'm leaving my tent. Maybe I'll come back in the morning. I don't care if I receive it again. We're also now hearing behind us these two things that we are supposing are in the woods that we're in front of us, you know, doing the woodknocks and walking through the ravine. We're hearing them move through the woods now and again it's not this dramatic crashing through the woods. It's this sure step. So these things are just I don't know if they've been through it a million times, and it's like it was like a trained thing. It was like a navy seal tactic. You know. They just were moving in the dark with sure steps, letting us know we're coming in closer. They weren't. They weren't hiding it because this thing that vocalized behind us, fifty feet behind us, she snuck all the way either around the tree line or she cut right through the open campsite for one hundred and twenty thirty yards and we didn't hear her at all, you know, not at all. The only reason we knew she was there is because she screamed at us. So we're constantly turning around in the three sixty now with our lights trying to see if she's there, trying to see if these two are in the woods. And then I should say

36:53 two. I really think that there were four because I think the initial vocalization that we heard it just sounded so male, and it just sounded so different from the vocalization we heard that was, you know, fifty feet behind us. Again, I can't scientifically say, hey, I know that there were for these creatures there. It's it's you know, with so many of these experiences, it's you have to just sort of go off of your senses. And that's hard too, because you know, when you have so much adrenaline and it's dark and you're in this fight or flight mindset, your senses are almost unreliable. So as we're spinning around with our flashlights trying to see these things, not seeing anything, my friend starts breaking his ten down and I'm yelling at him at this point, you know, I'm like, dude, man, leave your tent. You know who cares about that? We have to leave now. These things are trying to get us out of here.

37:57 I'm leaving all my stuff. And my friend is just so bullheaded though that he was saying, no, man, I'm not leaving this ten. You know, I paid whatever X amount of money for I'm taking it. And he folds his tent up and he starts doing it to mine too, and I just say, you know, we got to leave this, you know. And and it's one of those things again where I didn't just get in my car and say get in, we're leaving. I don't know. It was like I was letting circumstance just play out, and I was just kind of in the passenger seat, which is terrible in these kind of situations.

38:38 You know, you as a as an adult and as a man with testosterone, and you know someone who's experienced wild things, and you think that in the moment, you'll act and you'll say, oh, I know what I would do, you know, and I'm I'm going to do it right now. I think we should get out of here. I'm getting out of here. But that just was completely out the window. So as he's breaking my tent down, which again is a six person, massive, stupid, clunky tent, and the poles always get stuck at the top and the little sleeves that have for the poles. I'm shining my light still on that tree where I assume this vocalization came from my friend, who is breaking the tent down, keeps shining his light up. You know, he's shining it at the tent, and he will shine it up. He's shining it down at the tent and he'll shine it up, you know, at the tree line, and all around us too. At some point he shines off kind of back toward behind my car while I'm shining my light at that big tree where I think this vocalization has come from. And that's when I saw her. My friend did not see her. I saw her. She was there the whole time, and we didn't see her because she was so unbelievably black. I'm talking about blacker than a shadow, blacker than anything else. I just thought

40:10 it was part of the night. I thought it was. I thought it was a tree stump. Honestly, I've heard people say that in podcasts so many times, you know, when they're going through their experience. You know, I thought the same, the tree stump, and I believe that when I heard it, But I just My mind couldn't wrap around how how can someone think this, you know, big bulky, hairy thing, even if it squatted down, it could be a tree stump, but it just your your mind can't in the moment calculator even except that that something that big is an organic, biological thing. So the only reason I saw her is because she moved. She was on all fours, and on all fours she was three and a half or four feet tall, which is just that's that unbelievable thing to think about. That's something that's not a quadruped, something that's not this big, you know, moose or rhinoceros. As I said earlier, something like that, something that you know generally moves around on two feet could be down on all fours and be four feet tall. So as I'm shining my flashlight at her, she threw her hands forward from a sort of squatting position with all fours. She threw her hands forward and plunged into the tree line. When she did this, I yelped. Basically, I probably sounded

41:46 like a twelve year old. This just yelp of fear escaped me. I grabbed my friend's shirt and I said, did you see it? Did you see that? And he said, no, where where we were. And I think that he thought that it was again coming at us, so he got freaked out again, you know, even more so, I said, she just bolted into the tree line. And that's when I sort of just turned into a mot where I said, I don't care. We're getting out of here, you know, And I took my pocket knife and I just cut the sort of the cordage between the tent poles because we couldn't get the tent poles through the top of the tent, so I just cut it and I pulled it, and I just tore the top of my tent. And I even looking back, I don't care at all. I just don't care.

42:37 But I have to say when this thing moved, it was faster than anything I've ever seen. And again, when I hear that inexperiences, my mind always goes to speed. But I now know when people are talking about these things moving faster than anyone could imagine, they're not just talking about speed. They're talking about agility. This massive, massive thing, as she lunged forward, she moved faster than any Olympic athlete I've ever seen do any attempt at any sport, faster than any kind of wildcat pouncing or running after its prey, more agile than anything I've ever seen in my life. It was like a flash. And the unbelievable thing about it was not just the speed, but I did not hear her land. I didn't hear her land in the woods at all. Bolted, you know, with her hands forward, and if that happens, you know, if an object moves forward, it stops moving. You know, she had to land, But I didn't hear a leaf, nothing, and these things are still moving behind us in the woods. So that was finally just seeing her and seeing her do that,

44:08 That was finally when you know, the thing clicked over in my head and it just said, okay, here's your answer. I'm believe and I you know, I cut the cordage on the tent poles. We pulled them through, just through everything in the back of my vehicle, and I mean I sped out of there so fast that I almost went into the ditch twice just leaving. And as that happened, you know, again the adrenaline just just skyrocket and thinking if you go into the ditch or you're done, you know, you're not walking out of here, and I don't have a vehicle four wheel drive, so I'm not I'm not getting out of there. So I keep it on the road, and you know, we get it out of there, and that's the experience in a sense. But what a lot of people don't get to talk about, I don't think is the immediate after, you know, the moments, the minutes, and the hours after the experience.

45:05 We're we're two and a half hours away from my house in Central Iowa. Immediately I drove up and just to be in some sort of town. But it's like tenh eight, I think, because I called my wife immediately as we're leaving, barely explained it, and I just said, hey, I just had this terrible experience. And I said, please don't laugh at me, like, please don't laugh at me, because she knows how how close I am to the subject, you know. And IVEN told her about some of the experiences that I've had I shouldn't say experiences, though I've had so many, you know, but I had, you know, pretty pretty affecting experience when I was a kid. And I told her about that, and she, uh, I don't know, I just I think I just wanted to be taken seriously immediately because I was still so close to it.

46:01 So I called her and it was only too many conversations. She said, no, I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry that happened, and they're you okay, and I believe, you know, and I said, yeah, I'm fine, and we just gotta I try to tell somebody, you know. But we were going to figure this out, you know. And so my friend I drive into three four minutes away. You know, the whole town is asleep by ten. There's hardly any lights on at all in the town. You know. The street lights are also just kind of pitiful there. It's it's just so dark that I kind of think, you know, as we're driving through the town, I think, no one of these things, you know, kind of goose here. There's just no there's nothing going on, you know. And so then my friend I drive around for a while and we were just saying, what do we do? You know, I'm not going to go get a hotel or something, you know, and I'm not going to camp somewhere else. My friend was kind of saying we should go camp down at a lake a little east of where we were at, and I just said, no way, man, you know, camping tonight, And we basically got into a pretty pretty sweet argument over it.

47:02 And I love this dude, you know, and I just went through something insane with him. But we just weren't thinking right, you know. But I wound up driving two and a half hours back to my place, and we didn't get in the door until two twenty at night, and I was just dead tired after that from all these adrenaline spikes. Because the adrenaline spike doesn't go down. It didn't go down in the car until we'd been driving for an hour an hour and a half, because you know, we're just trying to make sense of this thing. And I realized in the car too at some point. I think pretty quickly that I was so so unbelievably thankful that I had someone there with me, for one, because I don't think these things would have come into our site or done what they did had there been other campers there. I think it was all perfect, and that we showed up basically at night. I had the car run for a little while, I had the lights on. We're walking around the campsite then with our flashlights and stuff, and I think these things just said, hey, you know, what's this, We better check this out. If we had gone there instead of our tents during the day, that might not have happened, because they may have taken their looks or their peaks from the woods during

48:34 the day and said, it's just these two guys camping. Who cares, you know? And who knows? Maybe the would have moved on. Maybe they don't want people to I have no idea, but I was so thankful that I had somebody with me because I felt not safer, but I felt like maybe it didn't escalate any further because there were two of us, and because we got out of there when we did. But also because no matter what, no matter how many times I tell the story in my life, and doesn't matter who I'm telling it to, whether I'm telling it to the host of a podcast you know that's specifically about Bigfoot, whether I tell it to my best friend, my brothers, my mother and father and my wife, my kids, whatever, no one can fully believe me to just the ant degree one hundred percent. And they also I can't deliver over the noises that we heard, the fear that I felt, the thing that I saw, even if I tell the story perfectly, I can't deliver that over because no one else was there to experience it except for my friend, and so I, at least in my life, have someone who was there and he knows exactly what happened. And even though we both still I know our minds are just blown as to what did happen, he at least was there experienced it with me. And sometimes when I hear people who have these experiences that

50:05 are like mine or even much worse, more violent, more terrifying than mine, and they're all alone and they don't have anyone else, even other experiencers, they don't have anyone else who experienced that exact thing with them. I think that is absolutely tragic, and I just feel so fortunate that even though that happened, I had my friend there with me, I had someone who experienced it with me, and I don't know, I think that at least is some kind of I can take some kind of solace from that, you know. So that's really the account, the experience as it happened. Rad, thank you for sharing that. That is incredible. That's probably the most incredible Iowa account I've ever heard in five years. That's wild dude, do you mind if I ask you a few questions that I wrote down? No, not at all. Man, I'm here, so I'm you know, I'm fine with anything. These might seem really random. But so, what time exactly do you think you were cooking the broadworst? I know that it was past nine, it was probably so the window really is like, Let's say, I imagine we got there at eight thirty and we bolted out of there just after ten, so we're there for an hour and forty minutes.

51:37 Let's say I bet it was like nine o'clock or maybe nine thirty. You know, it's because these I know, those are the parameters when we when we got in and when we left. I know because I looked at my clock on my vehicle when we pulled in, and I think it was like eight twenty something, twenty eight something like that. And then I know when we left just because I looked at my phone to call my wife. But you know, as I'm talking about these sort of intervals of time, I think, just because my adrenaline has spiked the whole time too, they may have been shorter, they may have been longer in between certain things happening, but it's almost hard for me to wrap my mind around, like were we really sitting there for thirty minutes after the initial sound? Where we sitting there for twenty five minutes, because that's almost more unbelievable, you know, for us to sit there that long through that. But so I bet I was cooking it. I know I was doing after nine at least, but it may have been nine thirty. Or is there any other food involved? No, I I had some other food that I wasn't cooking anything, and nothing pungent. Really when I camp, I don't bring anything too eccentric. I think I had some apples, some canned food, and the a couple of broths, and just like regular type, brought worst, nothing out of the ordinary. Yeah, yeah, not finely where I think there were those lighter

53:10 colored like kind of terribly gray broughts that you know, and it sounded like there wasn't anything recorded, no audio recorded, anything like that just could have happened so quick and emotions were high. Yeah, and actually that I didn't know who I would tell about this. I knew I had to tell people, just because I had such an anxiety. I made the next couple of days after this, you know, as I'm constantly trying to quit smoking, and I've quit for intervals of two years, three years, but I just always go back to it. And I had been in kind of an interval of not smoking, but I smoked two packs in two days. I was so stressed out, and you know, as I'm trying to find like, you know, I have something actually scrolling through my own saying I could tell about this, but I want to tell my parents, and you know, I love my parents, and I told them some wild stuff, but I just I don't know. I didn't imagine i'd ever tell them. But as I told my mom, she said she recorded, and I didn't think about that until you know, I must have seen her Saturday, and this happened Thursday night, so I didn't think about that until Saturday and she asked me, and I just said no, like not a second, no photos, no recording, nothing, you know, And I just never, even in the interval of me looking at my friend for whatever fifteen twenty thirty minutes you're saying we need to leave, what do we do? I never was like, hey, we should record this. And again, I'm someone who's been

54:44 interested in this my entire life. Basically yeah. Yeah, it's a thing where you know, you never know how you're going to act until you're in this situation. Right, Yeah, let's see. Did so it sounded like you did not see the face of the creature? Then no, not And and so when I saw her, I didn't realize again that I was even looking at her until she moved. But so I didn't even actually moved her hands out and dove forward. I didn't even hardly make out fingers. It happened so fast, and it was just so dark and so black. I could tell, you know, I could see arms extend, and then I could see the sort of shape of the butt and the legs hunkered down, and her torso and everything. But then it just as she took off, I didn't see any features at all on her face. Did you get ace and this is tricky, did you get a sense for how tall the creature was? It like it sounds like it was just lunging. You saw it on all fours and then I lunged forward. Yeah, And I'd be totally making something up or lying if I said I think she was eight ft taller.

55:59 I think, because I just don't know. I do, I do know that she had to have been three and a half or four feet tall. And I didn't go back and measure nothing like that. But I worked in construction for years, my whole teenage and adult life, and I just I know measurements, you know. And she was three and a half or four feet tall. And when she lunged, you know, when something throws their hands forward and jumps, they're going to be long anyway, because I've actually, i've seen a wildcat, you know, a mountain lion in person before, and it was running next to a vehicle that I was in out on this cornfield and it was amazing, you know, from maybe four hundred yards away, I thought it was a fawn, you know, and then as we got closer and I saw it was a mountain lion, the guy driving wanted to get as close as he could to it. And as the thing was running the vertices that it was reaching, it was amazing. You know, It's like a horizon. It was like a perfect flat line with its legs thrown out and its back legs and its tail behind it. So even I mean a mountain is not even apportioned the size of what this thing was. But no matter what if you're lunging like that, you're going to look long. But she she lived long, you know. And I wish I could have seen her stand up, just to be able to truly gauge the height in the size, you know. But I didn't get a look at that at all. So the camp the campground sounds very interesting. He says, about two hundred feet long. It was cleared out. Were there

57:32 any buildings or anything around the area. Yeah, And so it was probably like two hundred yards long. And it may have been longer because really, when I we showed up, I didn't take like a mental like, oh okay, this the camp site is two hundred yards long. I just as that sound occurred, you know, and the initial one, the initial whoop, that was I would say one hundred and fifty yards beyond us. That being at the northwest corner of the campsite. It could have been further, but I would say the campsite was about two hundred yards long. I didn't happen to use it, but there was that building. There also were some houses sort of skirting in and out of the sort of outskirts. When we left, I just thought, man, someday I might have to go knock on some doors and say, how are you living here? Because I know you're getting bothered at night. I just been living at that place, the brick and mortar building. What corner of the campsite was out on an hour, So in the southeast corner, in the southeast corner. Okay, so you were here, you're experiencing everything on the opposite side of the campsite.

58:46 Then, yeah, So that initial call, and actually if I can kind of correspond with you with like over a map at some point. But there's there's a really big pond act down to the west of that northwest corner, and I'm just guessing, but this thing that vocalized initially, I would assume came up maybe from that pond. But so that was all from the northwest corner coming down to us, and then in the southeast corner diagonally to our right in the woods. This thing knocking was in the southeast corner, and then also this thing coming up in the ravine a little bit diagonally to our left, I should say too. So this is just because I'm thinking about it, and I've thought about it so many times now. I think everyone who listens to the Sierra sounds or has had their own experiences, even if it's just hearing whoops or howls or tree knocking in the woods. You know, people are always wondering, obviously, you know, what form of communication is that? What are they trying to communicate? And I don't know, you know, even after having experienced, I really don't know. But it's so the initial sounds that we heard when we were gathering firewood, and I asked, my friend, was that alk? I now know that had to have been this initial thing, this initial thing that you know, made the

1:00:17 noise then a one hundred and fifty yards from us. But so I think what they were doing. I think that one was privy to us coming in, and I think what it was doing was it was centralizing its location to other bigfoot or sasquatch in the forest and saying and maybe it was saying, hey, this is where I'm not come to me. You know, maybe just with that noise, they know, oh, maybe we should go into there's something going on. And then, you know, because as it vocalized again one hundred and fifty yards behind us, and then we got that tree knock within seconds, it was almost like they were maybe that was a response to say, hey, we're here, you know. And I don't know if it was saying I've got eyes on it and there are two of them, or if it was saying there are two of us. Maybe it has nothing to do with numbers. I have no idea, but that's I just that was something I thought about after, you know, in the sort of following days when I've been thinking about this. You know, maybe that's an answer as to what that is. And I, again, I don't know.

1:01:27 I'm just totally theorizing. I did do. I did track down some departments over a wildlife biologists prior to our call. I talked to each other the phone numbers on the website, just to see if I can get anyone on the phone, and I asked them questions sort of like were there any report of large creatures bears last week or this week? And nope, not in a long time. So I wanted to kind of like take that out of the picture, you know, but wow, this is this is incredible. Did you so you packed up everything and you didn't leave anything? Did you? No? And I I really don't camp with much either, you know. I think I left the bag the casing of my chair. I think it's a navy blue Guidesman chair, and I don't think it has that logo on the bag. It's just a navy blue bag. But or like the sleeve bag for camping chairs. I think I left that And again, farewell, you know, I don't I don't care about it at all.

1:02:39 But everything else I had really too small, cooler, my chair and my tent really and that's all I had, and my friend really just had his chair in his little tent, you know, And we managed to get it all even though I would have been just wanting, is there any chance your friend would talk to me? I think so. And again I don't know that he would want to go on maybe doing it as like a public kind of thing. It may be open to it. I don't know, I'm not, but I'm definitely not asking him to either. Yeah, my pretty much for my records. Yeah, I will absolutely reach out to him and put you guys in touch. And I really do think that he would be open to talking about it, because he also, just to make this even more of a statistical anomaly, I believed wholeheartedly going into this, you know, it's it just makes it so much stranger to have two people who believe and who aren't going looking for this for it to happen to in central Iowa.

1:04:01 I think he'd be open to it, because he actually that night he's really responsible about uh, you know, we've found some rare species of snakes before, and he reported that to the DNR. He's seen when someone has done kind of like a mass dump of littering in a park. He said, I'm calling the DNR, you know, like he uh, he's very open to like when things are sort of a ride naturally, he's fine with reaching out to the DNR. But we were talking about that that night. He said, I feel like I have to call the DNR. I don't know what if this ripped somebody apart. And I said, let's just think about that though, because I don't know if I necessarily want to get tangled up with having my name involved with I haven't heard first person, but I've certainly heard over account some you know, reading online and just hearing people on podcasts where you know they've they've kind of run into some intimidation stuff and they reported this kind of stuff to agencies, you know, to bunch of people.

1:05:03 Really necessarily interested. Yeah, I don't know if that would be the case. But I kind of said I think about it before we do that, you know, and I didn't if I'm not rambling, you know, if I can say too, I'm thinking about this because I'm mentioning what he said. You know, as we were talking about it that night, I said, can you imagine if this happened to someone who didn't know, you know, who didn't go into the experience knowing what those noises were or could be. I didn't know what to do. What if there was two a group of guys who'd been drinking, you know, or or a you know, a mother with her children or a family with children there. But I just imagine, you know, these things whooping in the night are calling out and young men being you know, piss drunk or something, making noises back at them or yelling back at them, and I just can't imagine that wouldn't go over well at all. You know, this thing when it yowled at us with that just anger of just like the deepest just I mean, it was just the meanest thing I've ever heard. If that was any other predator that we know about, not just in North America, but in the entire world, that's any other predator. And I'll say, like even in America, if that was a mountain lion, a coyote, a wolf, a bear, a raccoon, that thing would not have stopped vocalizing. It would

1:06:38 have kept growling, and it would have escalated, and it would have come toward us. Even if it didn't attack us, it would have pushed us out or come to try to just get a bite. You know, they would have just been in this rage. There's absolutely no way that any other predator would have just been complacent with Okay, they're leaving, you know, that's that's just not how that type of mind works. This thing. You know, they they even if they didn't plan it for it to happen exactly this way, they have tactics. They thought ahead, you know, they they at least planned ahead. Even if it didn't go according to their plan, seems like it did. But if if they had it their way completely, I never would have seen her either, you know, I never would have got a sight on her. None of them exposed themselves besides her.

1:07:29 All we heard were the vocalizations. Didn't see them besides her. My friend didn't even see her, and I saw her for a flash. You know, it's these things don't want to be seen, and they were pretty successful. We said a few last questions. Were you under the influence of anything at all that day? No? Not, not anything, and that could be anything at all. Drink, Yeah, and I to be hones, I haven't had a drink since twenty eighteen. Perfect. I might in vibe and other things at times, but I wasn't that day at all. So okay, Perfect, What are the main things that make you think that it was not a mountain lion? I just I know that a mountain lion doesn't loop, or how they don't mumble in a way that sounds like human language sometimes, you know, I've heard vocalizations online where they you know, they especially with their screams. You can say, man, that sounds like a dying woman, or that sounds like a witch. You know, some people say that. But this thing did match so similarly. At least you could have basically taken clips of the Sierra sounds out and it didn't sound exactly like them, but it was. It fit within the exact same genre. So let's say those weren't big photo sasquatching. This erra it sounds, whatever those were, that's what was pushing us out of that site. You know.

1:09:00 I also you know, mountain lions don't knock on trees. I don't to my knowledge, I've never heard of any that hunt impacts. And you know this again, if it was a mountain lion, it was yewling like that at us. Even if it didn't attack us and didn't come right for us, we would have seen it. You know, it would have made it self seen because one of the things with big predators is they say, I'm gonna make myself look as big and mean as possible. I don't want this prey or this other predator to just hear me. They're gonna see me. You know, mountain lions, this is where they put their ears back and they are their back real big, and or they puff their chest out and they get to that snarl on their face and they show all their teeth.

1:09:45 It's they're very showy in those moments. This thing wasn't doing that. That's wild, man. I think those are the main questions. If you could and I'm I'm not a guy that that is that pushes, but if you could reach out to your friend and start that, you know, and I after this call, that would be much appreciated. I need to talk to him as quickly as possible while it is still freshened, So yeah, call him as soon as as soon as we wrap up. And because I know at least even if he doesn't go through like a super long thing with you and give you whatever forty minutes, an hour or whatever, I know he would at least talk to you. And I know he'd most likely talk to you on the phone too. I bet you would go through things with you.

1:10:38 Absolutely, that would be great, Red, thank you so much for reaching out again. It's definitely another interesting account for Iowa. And if you think of any more details, definitely feel free to send them my way. But thank you so much, man. And I think just you know, uh don't know, you bean an Iowa guy, and being so open and you know, such a great platform for so many people to just be able to talk about this, I think that'll go along way with them, so fantastic. Thanks so much, Red, it's great chatting with you. We'll be in touch. Yeah, thanks, Matt, I appreciate it. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube. Making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed. Share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email. Here's the list. All right, I'm going to use this space this week to announce that I'll be at the Sasquad Summerfest and Oakridge organ as an atender. I won't be presenting or anything, but I'll be hanging out trying to interview people that have had bigfoot counters.

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1:14:32 Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell, because if you don't, then shame on you.

1:15:14 You know, shame on you.