Surrounded on all sides with NO WAY OUT. (Archive Episode)

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Thank you for reaching out. I'm
really interested in this area. I

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always have this on my radar and
so when you approached me about it,

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I was like, oh, this
is really interesting. So yeah, I'd

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love to hear what happened to you
guys. Yeah, and I you know,

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I got to apologize too. I'm
not a I'm not so ner was

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to you know, to speak to
you in you know, this general sense

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of you know, possibly being on
the podcast or whatever it may be,

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but just uh, you know,
this happened on the seventeenth, so just

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Thursday. So I think, uh, I might have to take a couple

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of beet breaths every once in a
while just because it happens so recently.

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So I'll just apologize now for that. So yeah, yeah, my friend

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and I who this happened to,
we we get out all the time,

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mostly in Iowa, but sometimes in
some surrounding states, and we go arrowhead

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hunting, and you know, we
look for agates and judes and things like

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that. And I go fishing quite
a bit. And every month a year

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of the year, even in Iowa, you know, when it's ten degrees

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at or zero degrees, I mean
outside even you know, whether I'm ice

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fishing or you know, sometimes you
got to break through the ice for the

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geods. But we're always out there, and so I've had some interesting experiences,

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and I've I've heard and seen tons
of different types of wildlife. I've

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also traveled all around the United States
and I've seen, you know, pretty

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much any kind of megafona you can
see, I've heard them. So last

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Thursday, my friend and I had
planned to go to central Iowa, where

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we knew there was a certain deposit
a lithic shelf of a certain chirt material

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that occurs and it occurs there,
and then it also occurs in northeast Missouri.

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So we were going to camp in
that general area. There's night and

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then we were going to go down
to northeast Missouri on Friday, and we

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were kind of arrowhead hunting along the
Des Moines River. As we were making

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our way to central Iowa. We're
going to stay, and I actually had

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never been over there. I've been
to a lot of places in Iowa,

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you know, very rural Iowa as
well, but I've never been over by.

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But so because we were stopping at
so many different places along the Des

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Moines River on our way there,
we didn't actually pull until probably eight twenty

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eight thirty. So it was twilight
when we came in, and there's no

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electricity run through it, so it's
just black at night. It's just dark.

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And as we were driving through we
actually came in, there are a

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few entrances you can go into.
We came in on the south side and

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we made our way kind of just
due north through this certain tract and I

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know there are several campgrounds you can
stand, but we stayed in one that

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was you know, I sent you
the map of it that we stayed in

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one that's kind of like at the
north central position. So when we pulled

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in, you know, it's twilight
and there's a little bit of light left,

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but that light in the sky when
you're in a forest is there's not

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much. You know that you've got
seventy foot trees that are just blacks surrounding

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you. And in this area in
Iowa it almost looks like the driftless area.

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A lot of really rolling, beautiful
rolling hills and deep ravines and when

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there is woods, when there is
forest, it's thick. For Iowa,

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at least a lot of forest,
and woods in Iowa really are just kind

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of remnant forest along rivers where farmers
ever till you know, they had a

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lot of really deep ravines and kind
of gulges almost some pretty nice little hills.

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So when we first rolled in we
found the camp round that we liked.

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We hadn't planned it out to where
we wanted to stay in that exact

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campground. We kind of knew we'd
play it by air, and we didn't

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figure there would be many people,
if any, Since it was a Thursday

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night. It was kind of hot
and it was so remote, but so

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as we drove through the forest,
we didn't happen to see any other vehicles

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or any other campers, and in
this specific campsite there was no one else

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staying. So I left my vehicle
running for the first ten minutes that we

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got there to fill out the kind
of camping information, the little tag you

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fill out for your site, and
then to set up. We had two

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tents. My friend packed well just
a one person pop up tent, and

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I foolishly brought a six person ten. I have a four person ten as

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well, but my wife was using
that at the state Fair. She went

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and she stayed with her parents there. So we set up the tents,

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we get the fire going, and
it's you know, it's probably ten or

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fifteen minutes of us doing that.
I shut the car off, the lights

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off, and it's pretty well dark
by now. There's not much of twilight

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at all left. It's to my
recollection too. There was no moon that

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night, and I at least I
never happened to see one. So after

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we get the fire going, we
we both took our flashlights, which again

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I usually camp with a mag flashlight. That has just like an unbelievable amount

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of women's power to it. I
sent that with my wife though, so

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I just have my phone flashlight.
We were going around this campsite, which

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is probably it's a cleared area that's
probably two hundred yards long one hundred and

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fifty yards long by seventy or eighty
yards wide, and the width certainly varies

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throughout the campsite, and we were
staying in the southeast corner, so we

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made our way around with our phone
flashlights, and we're just grabbing twigs and

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branches that had fallen, and we
were checking the other fire rings to see

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if anyone had left any logs when
they put their fire out, and actually

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most of the fire rings still had
grass growing at them. So I don't

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think people camp at this Maybe they
don't even camp. Maybe there's a reason,

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you know, but they may just
not camp at this particular site very

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much. So when we were setting
up the tent and getting the fire going,

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I heard a pack of coyotes maybe
a half mile out, maybe a

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quarter mile away from us to the
northwest. And I don't know that this

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really plays into the story, but
I'll mention it. We heard them for

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maybe ten minutes, and they kind
of quieted down. They may have moved

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off to where I couldn't hear them, or they may have just stopped making

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their noise. But I was at
the northwest corner of this entire campsite,

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looking at the fire rings and then
looking for fallen trees and branches, and

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probably a quarter mile off I heard
four consecutive sounds that I just couldn't place.

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It were really loud, but they
were pretty far off, and I

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could tell it came from something big. But I just, you know,

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I kind of went through the rolodex
of animal noises that I know as I

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heard it, and I couldn't place
it. So I met back with my

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friend at our camping site and I
said, hey, you know, did

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you hear that? And he said
yeah. I said, was that an

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elk bugling or something? You know? We don't have elk in Iowa anymore.

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I think they were hunted out by
either the late eighteen hundreds or the

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early nineteen hundreds. I've certainly seen
elk on farms in the state, but

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I didn't happen to notice any elk
farms near us, And this wasn't really

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an elk bugling. It wasn't that
noise. I was just trying to maybe

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even get an answer, knowing my
friend wouldn't have the answer. But he

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kind of laughed about and said,
I don't know what that was, man,

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but I don't think it's now.
And we weren't that concerned about it.

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I didn't think about it, so, you know, we find it

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kind of finished grabbing our wood around
the side, and we then sat by

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the fire and got it going a
little bit. But I only brought probably

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enough fire for to keep it going
until about three or four in the morning.

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And I wanted to kind of be
conservative with it too, because I

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knew it was going to drop down
in the fifties that night, and if

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you've ever camped, you know when
it gets down to the forties and fifties,

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it can be miserable, you know, even if you're dressed in layers

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and everything. So I came the
fire going when it gets that cold.

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So we had kind of a small
fire going, but we were sitting around

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it. He was to my left, my friend, and I was.

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I started cooking a broadworst over the
fire. The way our site is set

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up. The specific when we were
camping at it's probably I mean, it's

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pretty close to the woodline on the
southeast corner, and I think we were

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or you know, maybe ten or
fifteen yards away from the tree line.

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And it's been at this point,
probably fifteen twenty minutes since we heard the

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coyotes kind of quiet down and then
those initial four loud noises that we couldn't

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place. It's just pitch black at
this point. The stars are kind of

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starting to come out, but again
there's you know that night when the stars

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are coming out, you can really
only see, you know, a pretty

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select portion of the sky, just
because all of the horizon is the drowned

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up by the trees. So as
I'm cooking this broad Worsman, you know,

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I'm talking with my friend, we
hear a sound one hundred and fifty

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yards behind us, diagonally to basically
the northwest corner of the entire campsite.

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And it sounded like it came from
you know, an amplifier or a bull

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horn or an air horn. It
was so unbelievably loud. And if I'm

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sure, if anyone does hear this, and even if no one does,

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and it's just you who hears this, I know there's no way you haven't

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heard it. So I'll just say
in this Sierra Sounds the very beginning,

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and you know a little bit throughout
the recording. You know, they're the

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sort of howls or the whoops that
sound off in the recording, and it's

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so distinctive. It's such a distinct
noise, that's what we heard. And

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immediately following that, from that same
location, as soon as the whoop died

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down, there was that garbled I
mean, that mumbling chatter, same thing

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you know that you can you can
hear in the Sierra Sounds. And even

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though I've listened to the Sierra Sounds
countless times because it's so unbelievably interesting and

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mind boggling to me, and going
into this experience, you know, I

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fully believed in sasquatch because not only
does it make sense, even though to

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a degree it's it's hard to wrap
your head around, but I've also had

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experiences which you know I've I've reached
out to you about recently, but I

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didn't connect it to that at all, you know, not in the least.

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As soon as I heard that,
every hair on my body stood up

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just electrically. It was just so
unbelievably loud. I've heard elk bugle before.

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I've heard cows, you know,
when the casts are separated from their

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mothers and you hear them kind of
crying out all night, or I've heard

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cows injured too, and the unbelievable
volume of their moves that's, you know,

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unbelievably loud in itself. But this
just put that to shame. So

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even having heard this her sound so
many times in my life, I still

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didn't I didn't know what this was. In the first moment or two,

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you know, I did the human
thing again of sort of going through the

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rolodex in my head of you know, what what was that? What what

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biological creature, animal being makes that
sound? And I came up with nothing.

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And I turned to my friend and, you know, still knowing I

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wouldn't get an answer, but just
you know, it's also such a human

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thing to say, you know what
was that or give me an answer.

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I turned to him and I just
said, you know, why was that?

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You know what made that noise?
And his face was so I've known

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this guy for years, and I've
spent such an amazing amount of time with

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this guy who's a super close friend
of mine. I've just never seen him

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this serious or he had such a
grave look on his face, and it

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was like he knew right away.
He said that had to be Bigfoot.

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And my first reaction, even as
a believer, you know, an experiencer,

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I still said, there's no way. You know, you're ful of

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me, There's no way. But
as soon as he said that, it

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was like it unlocked. I don't
know this this thing in my in my

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mind, and I immediately remembered the
Sierra sounds then, and I was able

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to connect that noise to something I'd
actually heard before. And I mean,

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my heart just sank as as that
sort of set into too my head.

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Just the the immediate acceptance almost was
terrifying because we're in the middle of nowhere.

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It's just so remote. It's in
the middle of nowhere in Iowa.

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Is even if believe, there's nothing
but agricultural fields around it, you know,

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other rolling hills, rivers, agricultural
fields. So we were so remote,

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it's just pitch black, more surrounded
by woods. You know, I

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hear this thing that I am realizing
is Bigfoot, and even if it's not,

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this is unbelievably loud noise, unbelievably
loud, but so some of this

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had just happened so quickly after this
then, so you know, I turned

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to my friend. I asked,
what was that. He says, it's

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bigfoot. It sets an me that
this is what this is. And then

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within seconds to our right and probably
fifty or sixty feet in front of us,

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into the tree line, I heard
tree knocks. And I've never heard

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that before. I've I've told you
I've had experiences before, I've gone into

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pretty detail as to what those experiences
were with you, but I've never heard

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tree knocks before. I've never heard
vocalizations like this in person. And the

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tree knocks came in sequences of two. There were three sequences of two.

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So it was knock knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, And

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it wasn't like I imagined a tree
knock would be. I've heard people describe

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it where it sounds like, you
know, someone's taking a Louisville sluggrin just

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slamming it against a tree and going
back to the Sierra sounds. You hear

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that sort of ricocheting ping as these
tree knocks are occurring. In the recordings,

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this wasn't like that. This was
this was pretty loud, but it

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was almost like a muffled or a
muted knock. I've also heard not just

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woodpeckers throughout my life, but different
species of woodpeckers too, And there's such

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an unbelievable difference between you know,
any kind of a woodpecker. There's this

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sort of hollow resonance that sounds from
their bill as they drill into a tree,

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and it's they can do slowly.
These sort of bats sort of drills

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into trees as as they're you know, going around and pecking into the tree.

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But I've never heard one keep a
measured time in this way. And

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I've also never heard one that sounded
like this. And I've also never heard

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of woodpecker at night. I'm not
claiming that they don't, you know,

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make sounds at night, but I've
just never heard one. So as soon

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as we hear that tree knock now
to our kind of diagonally to our right,

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you know, I turn to my
friend again. I say, Okay,

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we got to get out of here, like right now. You know,

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we can either pack up or I
don't care. At this point,

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we can leave all of our stuff
we got to get out of here because

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I know what's happening now. You
know, there's a call and a response.

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So we have two of them,
and I maybe generally know where they

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are, but I can't see them. I don't know what they want.

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I don't know what they're doing.
But we also didn't. We didn't go

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into this experience looking for this at
all. You know, I listened to

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Bigfoot podcasts all the time, I
read accounts online all the time. I

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read historical accounts that seemed to be
related to Bigfoot or Sasquatch all the time.

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I don't want to experience them anymore. The idea of, you know,

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running into something like this in the
woods or even in a controlled setting

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just doesn't I don't want that at
all. I know some people want that

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to learn more, or just people
who haven't experienced it, and I totally

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get that. I totally understand that. That's now why we went after these

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woods. I didn't know that they
would be out there. I wasn't looking

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for them. So as my friend
and I are having this sort of frantic

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I don't know, I'm just trying
to come to terms this conversation of you

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know, what do we do,
because even though in my head I knew,

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hey, we need to leave,
it was the strangest saying that we

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stayed, you know, and I
didn't really understand why. When I thought

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about it and when I talked about
it. I told my wife this story

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probably four times now, you know, maybe the third or fourth time I

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told her, she said, it
sounds like, you guys, we're experiencing

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the sort of sensation of being prey. You know, if you imagine a

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rabbit, they just sit still for
so long until the last second and then

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maybe they bolt or you know,
maybe that's their last second. Maybe they

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don't ever move and they get you
know, taking my whatever is preying upon

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them. I don't know. We
stayed. I can't really explain it.

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We stayed in our chair too during
you know, hearing this, I just

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I don't know. I just couldn't. I couldn't move. Almostly, I

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could, I could move my body
around, but I just couldn't bring myself

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a stand up. So we shined
our phone flashlights into the into the tree

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line in front of us and behind
us as well. And you know,

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I didn't see anything. My friend
didn't see anything. As we're shining our

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lights around us, trying to see
anything. Diagonally to our left, we

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hear something moving in the woods and
there's a sort of a subtle ravine that

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gets pretty. To be honest,
I never went and looked at it before

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any of this happened while there was
still some twilight. Sorry, I'm sitting

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outside on a gravel road and every
once in a while there might be a

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car of the passes. I never
went and looked at this ravine, but

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I could kind of see when there
was still a bit of light left when

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we had first arrived, that it
seemed to go down in a pretty drastic

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sense, down to a pretty deep
gulch diagonal to our left, maybe you

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know, two hundred feet off that
seemed to be where this movement was coming

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from. That we started to hear
and it didn't last long, but you

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could hear something moving through the woods
on two feet at a very slow cadence,

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and it was breaking things as it
moved. I don't know if it

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was breaking branches on trees. I
don't know if it was breaking things that

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had already fallen to the forest floor. I've heard deer move through the woods.

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Usually you don't really hear them move
through the woods. But if they

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are in a sort of lack the
daisical mind said, you can hear them

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brushing against things. They don't really
break things that they move through the woods.

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This thing, it just sounded massive
and it just every step that it

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took you could hear things just cracking
breaking around it. So this just adds

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to the intensity of all this and
the fear. The you know, I've

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had. I've had some pretty wild
close calls in my life. I used

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to be pretty careless and reckless and
pretty wild as a younger dude. And

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I've had some pretty close to near
death experiences. And if I'm being honest,

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they're probably near death experiences things that
happen so fast that you don't really

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realize until a moment after ten moments
after that was pretty close. The adrenaline

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spike I had immediately during this,
it was just through the roof. So

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we're sitting around the fire. We
now are aware that there's at least possibly

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three things surrounding us, and they
seem to be communicating and they may even

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be getting closer. We're in a
very hushed sense having this conversation of just

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constantly saying, what do we do? You know, we need to leave,

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but again we don't leave. I
just can't explain it. And I

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knew from the just the start of
it that we needed to leave. It's

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just one of those I don't know
if it was shocked or what, but

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it must have been another ten or
fifteen minutes of us just sitting looking back

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and forth in the dark around the
fire, every once in a while,

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shining our flashlights in front of us, in the woods behind us, and

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we just don't see anything within that
ten or fifteen minute window of us,

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you know, sitting and I don't
know, waiting to see what happened.

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Next. We heard a little bit
of movement in the woods diagonally to our

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right where we heard the tree knocks, and i agonally to the left where

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we heard this thing moving up,
you know, through this this ravine,

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not much and the movements weren't anything
dramatic. We didn't hear anything crashing quickly

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through the woods, nothing vocalizing,
nothing like that. But every time we

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heard something, it was it was
just like a life or death fear,

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you know that, you know,
spiked the adrenaline all over again, or

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maybe even higher than before so after
this, I'll say, a fifteen minute

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window of the initial noise happening behind
us one hundred and fifty yards or so

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at the northwest corner of the site. I should say, also, as

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we're sitting around the fire, I'm
on the right, my friend is on

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my left. Again, we have
the woods ten or fifteen yards in front

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of us, and my vehicle is
parked probably twenty feet behind me, and

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my tent is set up kind of
diagonally to the left behind me. I

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could see around my tent into the
clearing, but my end, my friend

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had basically like a perfectly clear view
of it. It was it's dark,

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you know, but with the flash
that we could see a little bit into

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the clearing. So ten or fifteen
minutes goes by, and we then hear

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you know, it wasn't another whoop, but we heard such a loud vocalization

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that was so fast and so loud
that I almost I kind of can't wrap

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my head around what it was,
or I guess I should say, I

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can't explain how this noise sounded.
But this is now fifty feet behind us,

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to the left, you know,
diagonally back to the left, and

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there's this really big tree that,
as I told the story, I said

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it would looked like a cottonwood.
That I never saw it in the daylight,

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and I didn't take the time to
try to really see what it was

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as all this was happening, But
it was this big tree kind of back

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to our left, behind us,
and that seemed to be in the moment

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where this noise came from. So
there's this unbelievably loud vocalization and then it's

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followed by a sequence of three other
vocalizations that all happened was in such a

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fast succession that I can't imagine there
was even a moment for this thing to

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take a breath, which tells me
the lung capacity on whatever's doing this must

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be just unbelievable, which then goes
to more of that garbled what people call

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samurai chatter. And this was kind
of on the higher end. It wasn't

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that low, really basy, like
really guttural chatter. This was really It

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was so fast and there were just
so many accents, and it just and

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I say high pitched, even though
it was high pitched for what I've heard

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in the samurai chatter for a human
being, This was high pitched, but

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as soon as its probably two two
and a half second sort of chatter of

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vocalization happens, it then immediately goes
out into this just like this just nightmarish

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yowls. It sounded like what a
mountain lion does that really mad territorial.

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Yeah, I'll sound like an idiot
doing it, but just sounds it's that

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really low, pissed off, like
get out of here, that territorial.

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Just mean mean vocalization that they do. But this was, I mean,

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a mountain lion doesn't have anything on
this vocalization. This would have had to

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be the size of a rhinoceros making, you know, if a mountain lion

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was nine hundred pounds or something.
It was just so so loud, and

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after that vocalization there was more chatter
that it did. And all of this

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was continuous. It was basically all
one vocalization, but it was those four

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different things happening back to back.
So when we initially heard that loud yell

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or whatever it was, we both
jumped out of our seats because and it

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was one of those things where I
don't know that I've I've jumped a million

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times out of fear in my life, but I don't know that I've ever

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truly junk. You know. My
body might have you know, ARCD before,

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or I may have been scared up
from something, but I jumped out

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of my seat truly, and as
the following, you know, the sort

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of successions of vocalizations came after that. It's all within seconds of me turning

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around into the dark and my friend
who's to my left, and this my

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tent is not impeding upon his his
view of this thing or whatever it may

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be. You know. It's what
I'm trying to say, is I think

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this thing was using infra sound because
the way my friend has described this to

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me, as we've talked about that
entire night and the entire next day,

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the way he describes it as even
louder than I'm telling you now, and

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I'm saying, you're saying it sounded
like the biggest mountain lion, you know,

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eight times the size of a mountain
lion. He thought it was even

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louder than that. And as we're
turning around in the dark, he almost

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like half said the word mountain lion. He didn't even say a full sentence.

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It was almost like he just said
the mountain Lion. And then he

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said she's coming right for us.
And when he said that, I'm looking

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ahead in the dark where this noise
is coming from. I'm sort of turning

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toward it. I can't see whatever
it is, even with the sort of

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backlighting of the fire. I'm just
looking into this empty space. Basically,

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when he said that, it felt
like every one of my innerds, you

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know, my heart down to my
intestines, just dropped into my pelvis.

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It was the most sinking feeling I've
ever felt in my life. And as

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I as I told my wife the
story is, you know, one of

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the times I told her, I
realized what that was and I just broke

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down crime When I was telling her, it was a subconscious acceptance of you

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know, you're going to die in
this moment, and before my brain could

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accept it, my body accepted it. Hearing that vocalization and me assuming what

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this was, and then hearing my
friend saying She's coming right for us,

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that combination was just the perfect combination
of something in my body saying, Okay,

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you're going to die, and you
know, a second later, as

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she's by the way, as I'm
saying, she this is something in experiences.

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Usually sometimes people see you know,
genitalia, they'll see a male and

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they'll say, oh, that was
a male, or they'll see females.

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I'll say that was female. I
did get a look at this thing eventually,

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but it wasn't a good enough look
where I can give an amazing description

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of what I saw. By any
means. When I'm saying female, it's

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totally just some a sensation. It
could have been a male. I don't

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know, but it and my friend
who immediately said she's coming right for us,

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so he immediately felt that it was
a female too, So I'll just

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say that it was a female,
but I don't know. We both sort

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of got our phones that at the
same time and turn the flashlights on and

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as we did this, the vocalization
stops and we see nothing. There's nothing

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in front of us, you know. We look over at the tree,

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we're scanning all around with our lights. There's nothing, and it's so mind

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boggling. My adrenaline is like nonexistently
now, it's so through the roof.

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I feel like there's just a mountain
of adrenaline above me. Even I'm just

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so unbelievably freaked out and I turn
to my friend and I say, we

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got to get out of here,
you know, leave your tent. I

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don't care about it. I'm leaving
my tent. Maybe I'll come back in

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the morning. I don't care if
I receive it again. We're also now

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hearing behind us these two things that
we are supposing are in the woods that

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we're in front of us, you
know, doing the woodknocks and walking through

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the ravine. We're hearing them move
through the woods now and again it's not

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this dramatic crashing through the woods.
It's this sure step. So these things

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are just I don't know if they've
been through it a million times, and

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it's like it was like a trained
thing. It was like a navy seal

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tactic. You know. They just
were moving in the dark with sure steps,

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letting us know we're coming in closer. They weren't. They weren't hiding

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it because this thing that vocalized behind
us, fifty feet behind us, she

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snuck all the way either around the
tree line or she cut right through the

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open campsite for one hundred and twenty
thirty yards and we didn't hear her at

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all, you know, not at
all. The only reason we knew she

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00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:42.920
was there is because she screamed at
us. So we're constantly turning around in

407
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.280
the three sixty now with our lights
trying to see if she's there, trying

408
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:53.519
to see if these two are in
the woods. And then I should say

409
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:58.760
two. I really think that there
were four because I think the initial vocalization

410
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:04.400
that we heard it just sounded so
male, and it just sounded so different

411
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.639
from the vocalization we heard that was, you know, fifty feet behind us.

412
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:13.239
Again, I can't scientifically say,
hey, I know that there were

413
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.519
for these creatures there. It's it's
you know, with so many of these

414
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.440
experiences, it's you have to just
sort of go off of your senses.

415
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.800
And that's hard too, because you
know, when you have so much adrenaline

416
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:34.119
and it's dark and you're in this
fight or flight mindset, your senses are

417
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:40.199
almost unreliable. So as we're spinning
around with our flashlights trying to see these

418
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.800
things, not seeing anything, my
friend starts breaking his ten down and I'm

419
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.639
yelling at him at this point,
you know, I'm like, dude,

420
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.440
man, leave your tent. You
know who cares about that? We have

421
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.239
to leave now. These things are
trying to get us out of here.

422
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:01.159
I'm leaving all my stuff. And
my friend is just so bullheaded though that

423
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.599
he was saying, no, man, I'm not leaving this ten. You

424
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.679
know, I paid whatever X amount
of money for I'm taking it. And

425
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.320
he folds his tent up and he
starts doing it to mine too, and

426
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.719
I just say, you know,
we got to leave this, you know.

427
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:21.159
And and it's one of those things
again where I didn't just get in

428
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:25.719
my car and say get in,
we're leaving. I don't know. It

429
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.840
was like I was letting circumstance just
play out, and I was just kind

430
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:38.199
of in the passenger seat, which
is terrible in these kind of situations.

431
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:44.320
You know, you as a as
an adult and as a man with testosterone,

432
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:49.159
and you know someone who's experienced wild
things, and you think that in

433
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.639
the moment, you'll act and you'll
say, oh, I know what I

434
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.360
would do, you know, and
I'm I'm going to do it right now.

435
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:55.119
I think we should get out of
here. I'm getting out of here.

436
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.159
But that just was completely out the
window. So as he's breaking my

437
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.800
tent down, which again is a
six person, massive, stupid, clunky

438
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.719
tent, and the poles always get
stuck at the top and the little sleeves

439
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:16.760
that have for the poles. I'm
shining my light still on that tree where

440
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:25.360
I assume this vocalization came from my
friend, who is breaking the tent down,

441
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.880
keeps shining his light up. You
know, he's shining it at the

442
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:30.920
tent, and he will shine it
up. He's shining it down at the

443
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.239
tent and he'll shine it up,
you know, at the tree line,

444
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:42.119
and all around us too. At
some point he shines off kind of back

445
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.360
toward behind my car while I'm shining
my light at that big tree where I

446
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:51.239
think this vocalization has come from.
And that's when I saw her. My

447
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.440
friend did not see her. I
saw her. She was there the whole

448
00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:06.800
time, and we didn't see her
because she was so unbelievably black. I'm

449
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:10.559
talking about blacker than a shadow,
blacker than anything else. I just thought

450
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:14.000
it was part of the night.
I thought it was. I thought it

451
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.800
was a tree stump. Honestly,
I've heard people say that in podcasts so

452
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:21.440
many times, you know, when
they're going through their experience. You know,

453
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.679
I thought the same, the tree
stump, and I believe that when

454
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:28.239
I heard it, But I just
My mind couldn't wrap around how how can

455
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.280
someone think this, you know,
big bulky, hairy thing, even if

456
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.639
it squatted down, it could be
a tree stump, but it just your

457
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:43.480
your mind can't in the moment calculator
even except that that something that big is

458
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:49.239
an organic, biological thing. So
the only reason I saw her is because

459
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:57.079
she moved. She was on all
fours, and on all fours she was

460
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:05.360
three and a half or four feet
tall, which is just that's that unbelievable

461
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:10.519
thing to think about. That's something
that's not a quadruped, something that's not

462
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:15.559
this big, you know, moose
or rhinoceros. As I said earlier,

463
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:21.159
something like that, something that you
know generally moves around on two feet could

464
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:27.159
be down on all fours and be
four feet tall. So as I'm shining

465
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:35.679
my flashlight at her, she threw
her hands forward from a sort of squatting

466
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:40.320
position with all fours. She threw
her hands forward and plunged into the tree

467
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:46.320
line. When she did this,
I yelped. Basically, I probably sounded

468
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:53.519
like a twelve year old. This
just yelp of fear escaped me. I

469
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.519
grabbed my friend's shirt and I said, did you see it? Did you

470
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.480
see that? And he said,
no, where where we were. And

471
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.960
I think that he thought that it
was again coming at us, so he

472
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.000
got freaked out again, you know, even more so, I said,

473
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:16.079
she just bolted into the tree line. And that's when I sort of just

474
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:19.360
turned into a mot where I said, I don't care. We're getting out

475
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:21.280
of here, you know, And
I took my pocket knife and I just

476
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.199
cut the sort of the cordage between
the tent poles because we couldn't get the

477
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.400
tent poles through the top of the
tent, so I just cut it and

478
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.599
I pulled it, and I just
tore the top of my tent. And

479
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.360
I even looking back, I don't
care at all. I just don't care.

480
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:43.559
But I have to say when this
thing moved, it was faster than

481
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:51.960
anything I've ever seen. And again, when I hear that inexperiences, my

482
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:59.239
mind always goes to speed. But
I now know when people are talking about

483
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.280
these things moving faster than anyone could
imagine, they're not just talking about speed.

484
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:09.559
They're talking about agility. This massive, massive thing, as she lunged

485
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:16.000
forward, she moved faster than any
Olympic athlete I've ever seen do any attempt

486
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:22.960
at any sport, faster than any
kind of wildcat pouncing or running after its

487
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:30.000
prey, more agile than anything I've
ever seen in my life. It was

488
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:35.599
like a flash. And the unbelievable
thing about it was not just the speed,

489
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.159
but I did not hear her land. I didn't hear her land in

490
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:43.079
the woods at all. Bolted,
you know, with her hands forward,

491
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:51.159
and if that happens, you know, if an object moves forward, it

492
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.920
stops moving. You know, she
had to land, But I didn't hear

493
00:43:54.199 --> 00:44:01.079
a leaf, nothing, and these
things are still moving behind us in the

494
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:08.519
woods. So that was finally just
seeing her and seeing her do that,

495
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:12.199
That was finally when you know,
the thing clicked over in my head and

496
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:16.559
it just said, okay, here's
your answer. I'm believe and I you

497
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.719
know, I cut the cordage on
the tent poles. We pulled them through,

498
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:27.400
just through everything in the back of
my vehicle, and I mean I

499
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.280
sped out of there so fast that
I almost went into the ditch twice just

500
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.800
leaving. And as that happened,
you know, again the adrenaline just just

501
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.239
skyrocket and thinking if you go into
the ditch or you're done, you know,

502
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.360
you're not walking out of here,
and I don't have a vehicle four

503
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.639
wheel drive, so I'm not I'm
not getting out of there. So I

504
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.440
keep it on the road, and
you know, we get it out of

505
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:53.920
there, and that's the experience in
a sense. But what a lot of

506
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:59.079
people don't get to talk about,
I don't think is the immediate after,

507
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.880
you know, the moments, the
minutes, and the hours after the experience.

508
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.679
We're we're two and a half hours
away from my house in Central Iowa.

509
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.119
Immediately I drove up and just to
be in some sort of town.

510
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:22.159
But it's like tenh eight, I
think, because I called my wife immediately

511
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.440
as we're leaving, barely explained it, and I just said, hey,

512
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.559
I just had this terrible experience.
And I said, please don't laugh at

513
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:34.039
me, like, please don't laugh
at me, because she knows how how

514
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.639
close I am to the subject,
you know. And IVEN told her about

515
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.320
some of the experiences that I've had
I shouldn't say experiences, though I've had

516
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.079
so many, you know, but
I had, you know, pretty pretty

517
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:49.800
affecting experience when I was a kid. And I told her about that,

518
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.480
and she, uh, I don't
know, I just I think I just

519
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.840
wanted to be taken seriously immediately because
I was still so close to it.

520
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.960
So I called her and it was
only too many conversations. She said,

521
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.280
no, I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry that happened, and they're

522
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:08.840
you okay, and I believe,
you know, and I said, yeah,

523
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.719
I'm fine, and we just gotta
I try to tell somebody, you

524
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.199
know. But we were going to
figure this out, you know. And

525
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.559
so my friend I drive into three
four minutes away. You know, the

526
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.039
whole town is asleep by ten.
There's hardly any lights on at all in

527
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.719
the town. You know. The
street lights are also just kind of pitiful

528
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:30.960
there. It's it's just so dark
that I kind of think, you know,

529
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.360
as we're driving through the town,
I think, no one of these

530
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.440
things, you know, kind of
goose here. There's just no there's nothing

531
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:43.559
going on, you know. And
so then my friend I drive around for

532
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.480
a while and we were just saying, what do we do? You know,

533
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.599
I'm not going to go get a
hotel or something, you know,

534
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.239
and I'm not going to camp somewhere
else. My friend was kind of saying

535
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.920
we should go camp down at a
lake a little east of where we were

536
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.480
at, and I just said,
no way, man, you know,

537
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.719
camping tonight, And we basically got
into a pretty pretty sweet argument over it.

538
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.960
And I love this dude, you
know, and I just went through

539
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.840
something insane with him. But we
just weren't thinking right, you know.

540
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.519
But I wound up driving two and
a half hours back to my place,

541
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.519
and we didn't get in the door
until two twenty at night, and I

542
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:24.440
was just dead tired after that from
all these adrenaline spikes. Because the adrenaline

543
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:29.840
spike doesn't go down. It didn't
go down in the car until we'd been

544
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:34.960
driving for an hour an hour and
a half, because you know, we're

545
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:40.159
just trying to make sense of this
thing. And I realized in the car

546
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:47.800
too at some point. I think
pretty quickly that I was so so unbelievably

547
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:55.519
thankful that I had someone there with
me, for one, because I don't

548
00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:01.519
think these things would have come into
our site or done what they did had

549
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:06.679
there been other campers there. I
think it was all perfect, and that

550
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:12.000
we showed up basically at night.
I had the car run for a little

551
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.079
while, I had the lights on. We're walking around the campsite then with

552
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:20.039
our flashlights and stuff, and I
think these things just said, hey,

553
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:24.440
you know, what's this, We
better check this out. If we had

554
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:29.760
gone there instead of our tents during
the day, that might not have happened,

555
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:34.079
because they may have taken their looks
or their peaks from the woods during

556
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.239
the day and said, it's just
these two guys camping. Who cares,

557
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:38.760
you know? And who knows?
Maybe the would have moved on. Maybe

558
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:45.079
they don't want people to I have
no idea, but I was so thankful

559
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:50.360
that I had somebody with me because
I felt not safer, but I felt

560
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:55.000
like maybe it didn't escalate any further
because there were two of us, and

561
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.920
because we got out of there when
we did. But also because no matter

562
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.280
what, no matter how many times
I tell the story in my life,

563
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.639
and doesn't matter who I'm telling it
to, whether I'm telling it to the

564
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:14.079
host of a podcast you know that's
specifically about Bigfoot, whether I tell it

565
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.960
to my best friend, my brothers, my mother and father and my wife,

566
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.519
my kids, whatever, no one
can fully believe me to just the

567
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:30.639
ant degree one hundred percent. And
they also I can't deliver over the noises

568
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.119
that we heard, the fear that
I felt, the thing that I saw,

569
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.400
even if I tell the story perfectly, I can't deliver that over because

570
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:45.039
no one else was there to experience
it except for my friend, and so

571
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:50.440
I, at least in my life, have someone who was there and he

572
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:55.440
knows exactly what happened. And even
though we both still I know our minds

573
00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:00.719
are just blown as to what did
happen, he at least was there experienced

574
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.760
it with me. And sometimes when
I hear people who have these experiences that

575
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.039
are like mine or even much worse, more violent, more terrifying than mine,

576
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:14.920
and they're all alone and they don't
have anyone else, even other experiencers,

577
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.400
they don't have anyone else who experienced
that exact thing with them. I

578
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.639
think that is absolutely tragic, and
I just feel so fortunate that even though

579
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.800
that happened, I had my friend
there with me, I had someone who

580
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:34.800
experienced it with me, and I
don't know, I think that at least

581
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.880
is some kind of I can take
some kind of solace from that, you

582
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:50.400
know. So that's really the account, the experience as it happened. Rad,

583
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.360
thank you for sharing that. That
is incredible. That's probably the most

584
00:50:53.360 --> 00:51:02.599
incredible Iowa account I've ever heard in
five years. That's wild dude, do

585
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.400
you mind if I ask you a
few questions that I wrote down? No,

586
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:07.920
not at all. Man, I'm
here, so I'm you know,

587
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:16.320
I'm fine with anything. These might
seem really random. But so, what

588
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:25.519
time exactly do you think you were
cooking the broadworst? I know that it

589
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:30.880
was past nine, it was probably
so the window really is like, Let's

590
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.599
say, I imagine we got there
at eight thirty and we bolted out of

591
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.519
there just after ten, so we're
there for an hour and forty minutes.

592
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:45.920
Let's say I bet it was like
nine o'clock or maybe nine thirty. You

593
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:51.880
know, it's because these I know, those are the parameters when we when

594
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:53.239
we got in and when we left. I know because I looked at my

595
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:58.280
clock on my vehicle when we pulled
in, and I think it was like

596
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:02.519
eight twenty something, twenty eight something
like that. And then I know when

597
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.079
we left just because I looked at
my phone to call my wife. But

598
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:13.239
you know, as I'm talking about
these sort of intervals of time, I

599
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:17.360
think, just because my adrenaline has
spiked the whole time too, they may

600
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:21.800
have been shorter, they may have
been longer in between certain things happening,

601
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:24.559
but it's almost hard for me to
wrap my mind around, like were we

602
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:30.159
really sitting there for thirty minutes after
the initial sound? Where we sitting there

603
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.559
for twenty five minutes, because that's
almost more unbelievable, you know, for

604
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.440
us to sit there that long through
that. But so I bet I was

605
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:37.840
cooking it. I know I was
doing after nine at least, but it

606
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:45.840
may have been nine thirty. Or
is there any other food involved? No,

607
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:51.840
I I had some other food that
I wasn't cooking anything, and nothing

608
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.960
pungent. Really when I camp,
I don't bring anything too eccentric. I

609
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.559
think I had some apples, some
canned food, and the a couple of

610
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:06.559
broths, and just like regular type, brought worst, nothing out of the

611
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:10.199
ordinary. Yeah, yeah, not
finely where I think there were those lighter

612
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:17.360
colored like kind of terribly gray broughts
that you know, and it sounded like

613
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.280
there wasn't anything recorded, no audio
recorded, anything like that just could have

614
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:30.400
happened so quick and emotions were high. Yeah, and actually that I didn't

615
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.039
know who I would tell about this. I knew I had to tell people,

616
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.239
just because I had such an anxiety. I made the next couple of

617
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.159
days after this, you know,
as I'm constantly trying to quit smoking,

618
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.679
and I've quit for intervals of two
years, three years, but I just

619
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.760
always go back to it. And
I had been in kind of an interval

620
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.199
of not smoking, but I smoked
two packs in two days. I was

621
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.559
so stressed out, and you know, as I'm trying to find like,

622
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:00.719
you know, I have something actually
scrolling through my own saying I could tell

623
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.920
about this, but I want to
tell my parents, and you know,

624
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.840
I love my parents, and I
told them some wild stuff, but I

625
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.119
just I don't know. I didn't
imagine i'd ever tell them. But as

626
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.960
I told my mom, she said
she recorded, and I didn't think about

627
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:21.639
that until you know, I must
have seen her Saturday, and this happened

628
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.960
Thursday night, so I didn't think
about that until Saturday and she asked me,

629
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.400
and I just said no, like
not a second, no photos,

630
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.360
no recording, nothing, you know, And I just never, even in

631
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:37.039
the interval of me looking at my
friend for whatever fifteen twenty thirty minutes you're

632
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.280
saying we need to leave, what
do we do? I never was like,

633
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:44.199
hey, we should record this.
And again, I'm someone who's been

634
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:49.079
interested in this my entire life.
Basically yeah. Yeah, it's a thing

635
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.039
where you know, you never know
how you're going to act until you're in

636
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:58.440
this situation. Right, Yeah,
let's see. Did so it sounded like

637
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:02.639
you did not see the face of
the creature? Then no, not And

638
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:09.679
and so when I saw her,
I didn't realize again that I was even

639
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:15.360
looking at her until she moved.
But so I didn't even actually moved her

640
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:20.119
hands out and dove forward. I
didn't even hardly make out fingers. It

641
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.559
happened so fast, and it was
just so dark and so black. I

642
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:28.320
could tell, you know, I
could see arms extend, and then I

643
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:32.159
could see the sort of shape of
the butt and the legs hunkered down,

644
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.239
and her torso and everything. But
then it just as she took off,

645
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:43.199
I didn't see any features at all
on her face. Did you get ace

646
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.760
and this is tricky, did you
get a sense for how tall the creature

647
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.159
was? It like it sounds like
it was just lunging. You saw it

648
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.719
on all fours and then I lunged
forward. Yeah, And I'd be totally

649
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:58.960
making something up or lying if I
said I think she was eight ft taller.

650
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.320
I think, because I just don't
know. I do, I do

651
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.000
know that she had to have been
three and a half or four feet tall.

652
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:08.000
And I didn't go back and measure
nothing like that. But I worked

653
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:13.400
in construction for years, my whole
teenage and adult life, and I just

654
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.320
I know measurements, you know.
And she was three and a half or

655
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:21.559
four feet tall. And when she
lunged, you know, when something throws

656
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:24.079
their hands forward and jumps, they're
going to be long anyway, because I've

657
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:29.360
actually, i've seen a wildcat,
you know, a mountain lion in person

658
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.000
before, and it was running next
to a vehicle that I was in out

659
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:37.920
on this cornfield and it was amazing, you know, from maybe four hundred

660
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.360
yards away, I thought it was
a fawn, you know, and then

661
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.480
as we got closer and I saw
it was a mountain lion, the guy

662
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:46.880
driving wanted to get as close as
he could to it. And as the

663
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:52.119
thing was running the vertices that it
was reaching, it was amazing. You

664
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.679
know, It's like a horizon.
It was like a perfect flat line with

665
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.760
its legs thrown out and its back
legs and its tail behind it. So

666
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.960
even I mean a mountain is not
even apportioned the size of what this thing

667
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.599
was. But no matter what if
you're lunging like that, you're going to

668
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:13.039
look long. But she she lived
long, you know. And I wish

669
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:17.199
I could have seen her stand up, just to be able to truly gauge

670
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:21.000
the height in the size, you
know. But I didn't get a look

671
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:28.880
at that at all. So the
camp the campground sounds very interesting. He

672
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.559
says, about two hundred feet long. It was cleared out. Were there

673
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.760
any buildings or anything around the area. Yeah, And so it was probably

674
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.639
like two hundred yards long. And
it may have been longer because really,

675
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.760
when I we showed up, I
didn't take like a mental like, oh

676
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:51.800
okay, this the camp site is
two hundred yards long. I just as

677
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:57.440
that sound occurred, you know,
and the initial one, the initial whoop,

678
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.920
that was I would say one hundred
and fifty yards beyond us. That

679
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:07.039
being at the northwest corner of the
campsite. It could have been further,

680
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:12.199
but I would say the campsite was
about two hundred yards long. I didn't

681
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.239
happen to use it, but there
was that building. There also were some

682
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:20.800
houses sort of skirting in and out
of the sort of outskirts. When we

683
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:25.199
left, I just thought, man, someday I might have to go knock

684
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:29.039
on some doors and say, how
are you living here? Because I know

685
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:34.280
you're getting bothered at night. I
just been living at that place, the

686
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:39.760
brick and mortar building. What corner
of the campsite was out on an hour,

687
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:44.199
So in the southeast corner, in
the southeast corner. Okay, so

688
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.960
you were here, you're experiencing everything
on the opposite side of the campsite.

689
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:54.239
Then, yeah, So that initial
call, and actually if I can kind

690
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:58.440
of correspond with you with like over
a map at some point. But there's

691
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:04.199
there's a really big pond act down
to the west of that northwest corner,

692
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:08.960
and I'm just guessing, but this
thing that vocalized initially, I would assume

693
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:14.679
came up maybe from that pond.
But so that was all from the northwest

694
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:20.079
corner coming down to us, and
then in the southeast corner diagonally to our

695
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.559
right in the woods. This thing
knocking was in the southeast corner, and

696
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:28.159
then also this thing coming up in
the ravine a little bit diagonally to our

697
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:36.679
left, I should say too.
So this is just because I'm thinking about

698
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:40.480
it, and I've thought about it
so many times now. I think everyone

699
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:45.840
who listens to the Sierra sounds or
has had their own experiences, even if

700
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:50.840
it's just hearing whoops or howls or
tree knocking in the woods. You know,

701
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:54.320
people are always wondering, obviously,
you know, what form of communication

702
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:59.440
is that? What are they trying
to communicate? And I don't know,

703
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:01.480
you know, even after having experienced, I really don't know. But it's

704
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:07.960
so the initial sounds that we heard
when we were gathering firewood, and I

705
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:13.000
asked, my friend, was that
alk? I now know that had to

706
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:17.679
have been this initial thing, this
initial thing that you know, made the

707
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:21.280
noise then a one hundred and fifty
yards from us. But so I think

708
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.840
what they were doing. I think
that one was privy to us coming in,

709
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:32.079
and I think what it was doing
was it was centralizing its location to

710
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:39.480
other bigfoot or sasquatch in the forest
and saying and maybe it was saying,

711
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.280
hey, this is where I'm not
come to me. You know, maybe

712
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.079
just with that noise, they know, oh, maybe we should go into

713
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:50.719
there's something going on. And then, you know, because as it vocalized

714
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:55.840
again one hundred and fifty yards behind
us, and then we got that tree

715
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:00.440
knock within seconds, it was almost
like they were maybe that was a response

716
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.039
to say, hey, we're here, you know. And I don't know

717
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.760
if it was saying I've got eyes
on it and there are two of them,

718
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.519
or if it was saying there are
two of us. Maybe it has

719
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.000
nothing to do with numbers. I
have no idea, but that's I just

720
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.199
that was something I thought about after, you know, in the sort of

721
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:22.760
following days when I've been thinking about
this. You know, maybe that's an

722
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.920
answer as to what that is.
And I, again, I don't know.

723
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:31.039
I'm just totally theorizing. I did
do. I did track down some

724
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:37.039
departments over a wildlife biologists prior to
our call. I talked to each other

725
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:40.400
the phone numbers on the website,
just to see if I can get anyone

726
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.519
on the phone, and I asked
them questions sort of like were there any

727
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:53.000
report of large creatures bears last week
or this week? And nope, not

728
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:57.679
in a long time. So I
wanted to kind of like take that out

729
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:02.039
of the picture, you know,
but wow, this is this is incredible.

730
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.119
Did you so you packed up everything
and you didn't leave anything? Did

731
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:15.440
you? No? And I I
really don't camp with much either, you

732
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:21.000
know. I think I left the
bag the casing of my chair. I

733
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:27.599
think it's a navy blue Guidesman chair, and I don't think it has that

734
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.920
logo on the bag. It's just
a navy blue bag. But or like

735
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:36.519
the sleeve bag for camping chairs.
I think I left that And again,

736
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:39.079
farewell, you know, I don't
I don't care about it at all.

737
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:45.800
But everything else I had really too
small, cooler, my chair and my

738
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:50.800
tent really and that's all I had, and my friend really just had his

739
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.760
chair in his little tent, you
know, And we managed to get it

740
01:02:54.800 --> 01:03:06.320
all even though I would have been
just wanting, is there any chance your

741
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:10.440
friend would talk to me? I
think so. And again I don't know

742
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:19.239
that he would want to go on
maybe doing it as like a public kind

743
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:21.480
of thing. It may be open
to it. I don't know, I'm

744
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.679
not, but I'm definitely not asking
him to either. Yeah, my pretty

745
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:34.360
much for my records. Yeah,
I will absolutely reach out to him and

746
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.239
put you guys in touch. And
I really do think that he would be

747
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:42.159
open to talking about it, because
he also, just to make this even

748
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:47.039
more of a statistical anomaly, I
believed wholeheartedly going into this, you know,

749
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:54.559
it's it just makes it so much
stranger to have two people who believe

750
01:03:55.679 --> 01:04:00.719
and who aren't going looking for this
for it to happen to in central Iowa.

751
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.320
I think he'd be open to it, because he actually that night he's

752
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:11.559
really responsible about uh, you know, we've found some rare species of snakes

753
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:18.159
before, and he reported that to
the DNR. He's seen when someone has

754
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.239
done kind of like a mass dump
of littering in a park. He said,

755
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:26.440
I'm calling the DNR, you know, like he uh, he's very

756
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:30.480
open to like when things are sort
of a ride naturally, he's fine with

757
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.079
reaching out to the DNR. But
we were talking about that that night.

758
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.239
He said, I feel like I
have to call the DNR. I don't

759
01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:39.559
know what if this ripped somebody apart. And I said, let's just think

760
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:44.679
about that though, because I don't
know if I necessarily want to get tangled

761
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:49.000
up with having my name involved with
I haven't heard first person, but I've

762
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:54.679
certainly heard over account some you know, reading online and just hearing people on

763
01:04:54.760 --> 01:05:00.239
podcasts where you know they've they've kind
of run into some intimidation stuff and they

764
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.599
reported this kind of stuff to agencies, you know, to bunch of people.

765
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.960
Really necessarily interested. Yeah, I
don't know if that would be the

766
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:10.960
case. But I kind of said
I think about it before we do that,

767
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.000
you know, and I didn't if
I'm not rambling, you know,

768
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.039
if I can say too, I'm
thinking about this because I'm mentioning what he

769
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:25.920
said. You know, as we
were talking about it that night, I

770
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:30.760
said, can you imagine if this
happened to someone who didn't know, you

771
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.000
know, who didn't go into the
experience knowing what those noises were or could

772
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:38.119
be. I didn't know what to
do. What if there was two a

773
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:43.320
group of guys who'd been drinking,
you know, or or a you know,

774
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:47.039
a mother with her children or a
family with children there. But I

775
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.039
just imagine, you know, these
things whooping in the night are calling out

776
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:55.719
and young men being you know,
piss drunk or something, making noises back

777
01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.880
at them or yelling back at them, and I just can't imagine that wouldn't

778
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:05.199
go over well at all. You
know, this thing when it yowled at

779
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:12.000
us with that just anger of just
like the deepest just I mean, it

780
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:16.960
was just the meanest thing I've ever
heard. If that was any other predator

781
01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:20.880
that we know about, not just
in North America, but in the entire

782
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:27.760
world, that's any other predator.
And I'll say, like even in America,

783
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.639
if that was a mountain lion,
a coyote, a wolf, a

784
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:38.599
bear, a raccoon, that thing
would not have stopped vocalizing. It would

785
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:42.880
have kept growling, and it would
have escalated, and it would have come

786
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:46.000
toward us. Even if it didn't
attack us, it would have pushed us

787
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.519
out or come to try to just
get a bite. You know, they

788
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:54.960
would have just been in this rage. There's absolutely no way that any other

789
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.440
predator would have just been complacent with
Okay, they're leaving, you know,

790
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:03.719
that's that's just not how that type
of mind works. This thing. You

791
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:08.159
know, they they even if they
didn't plan it for it to happen exactly

792
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:14.000
this way, they have tactics.
They thought ahead, you know, they

793
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.719
they at least planned ahead. Even
if it didn't go according to their plan,

794
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:20.639
seems like it did. But if
if they had it their way completely,

795
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:25.159
I never would have seen her either, you know, I never would

796
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.800
have got a sight on her.
None of them exposed themselves besides her.

797
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:33.000
All we heard were the vocalizations.
Didn't see them besides her. My friend

798
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:35.199
didn't even see her, and I
saw her for a flash. You know,

799
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:41.840
it's these things don't want to be
seen, and they were pretty successful.

800
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:46.599
We said a few last questions.
Were you under the influence of anything

801
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:53.000
at all that day? No?
Not, not anything, and that could

802
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:59.960
be anything at all. Drink,
Yeah, and I to be hones,

803
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:04.559
I haven't had a drink since twenty
eighteen. Perfect. I might in vibe

804
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:09.400
and other things at times, but
I wasn't that day at all. So

805
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:15.079
okay, Perfect, What are the
main things that make you think that it

806
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:23.920
was not a mountain lion? I
just I know that a mountain lion doesn't

807
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:29.239
loop, or how they don't mumble
in a way that sounds like human language

808
01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:33.600
sometimes, you know, I've heard
vocalizations online where they you know, they

809
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:35.960
especially with their screams. You can
say, man, that sounds like a

810
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.640
dying woman, or that sounds like
a witch. You know, some people

811
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:45.119
say that. But this thing did
match so similarly. At least you could

812
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.760
have basically taken clips of the Sierra
sounds out and it didn't sound exactly like

813
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:54.039
them, but it was. It
fit within the exact same genre. So

814
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.840
let's say those weren't big photo sasquatching. This erra it sounds, whatever those

815
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:00.560
were, that's what was pushing us
out of that site. You know.

816
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:08.760
I also you know, mountain lions
don't knock on trees. I don't to

817
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:15.600
my knowledge, I've never heard of
any that hunt impacts. And you know

818
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.119
this again, if it was a
mountain lion, it was yewling like that

819
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:23.119
at us. Even if it didn't
attack us and didn't come right for us,

820
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:25.560
we would have seen it. You
know, it would have made it

821
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.600
self seen because one of the things
with big predators is they say, I'm

822
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.479
gonna make myself look as big and
mean as possible. I don't want this

823
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:36.079
prey or this other predator to just
hear me. They're gonna see me.

824
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:39.439
You know, mountain lions, this
is where they put their ears back and

825
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:43.479
they are their back real big,
and or they puff their chest out and

826
01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.079
they get to that snarl on their
face and they show all their teeth.

827
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:51.199
It's they're very showy in those moments. This thing wasn't doing that. That's

828
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:58.880
wild, man. I think those
are the main questions. If you could

829
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:03.239
and I'm I'm not a guy that
that is that pushes, but if you

830
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:08.520
could reach out to your friend and
start that, you know, and I

831
01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.119
after this call, that would be
much appreciated. I need to talk to

832
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:17.079
him as quickly as possible while it
is still freshened, So yeah, call

833
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:21.880
him as soon as as soon as
we wrap up. And because I know

834
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:26.479
at least even if he doesn't go
through like a super long thing with you

835
01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:30.239
and give you whatever forty minutes,
an hour or whatever, I know he

836
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:34.399
would at least talk to you.
And I know he'd most likely talk to

837
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.000
you on the phone too. I
bet you would go through things with you.

838
01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:41.640
Absolutely, that would be great,
Red, thank you so much for

839
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:50.479
reaching out again. It's definitely another
interesting account for Iowa. And if you

840
01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:54.920
think of any more details, definitely
feel free to send them my way.

841
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:59.720
But thank you so much, man. And I think just you know,

842
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:05.479
uh don't know, you bean an
Iowa guy, and being so open and

843
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:09.960
you know, such a great platform
for so many people to just be able

844
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:12.520
to talk about this, I think
that'll go along way with them, so

845
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:15.199
fantastic. Thanks so much, Red, it's great chatting with you. We'll

846
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:18.920
be in touch. Yeah, thanks, Matt, I appreciate it. Please

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867
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here's a current update about going full
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of five twenty two, you're now
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hundred and twenty four needed. That's
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almost a quarter of the way there, guys, brings us down to six

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878
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listening her and I can get out
here, we can tell our stories.

879
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:36.239
Maybe there's somebody else out there listening
it's too afraid to tell their story.

880
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:41.319
Maybe this will give them the courage
to come out. And I feel so

881
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.079
bad about it. Who cares what
anybody thinks. I know what I saw,

882
01:14:45.560 --> 01:15:04.279
I know what's out there. That's
all I care. Please let people

883
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:10.000
know, Please let them know.
If you ever see one of these things,

884
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.640
you need to tell, because if
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885
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:25.119
You know, shame on you.