July 23, 2026

Terrifying Bigfoot Scream Shakes Witness Near Estacada, Oregon

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Season 1

Derek has spent years exploring the forests surrounding Estacada, Harriet Lake, Horse Creek, and the Mount Hood region of Oregon. In this episode, he shares the encounters that convinced him something extraordinary lives deep in the Pacific Northwest.


From an earth-shaking scream that sent him racing down a logging road to massive footprints, a huge hand impression, a mysterious figure moving along a burned ridgeline, and a tree crashing moments after making calls into the forest, Derek walks through each experience in remarkable detail. Along the way, he discusses local Bigfoot hotspots, stories passed down by fellow outdoorsmen, and why Oregon continues to produce some of the most compelling eyewitness reports in North America.


If you're fascinated by serious firsthand Bigfoot encounters, Oregon wilderness mysteries, and Class A eyewitness testimony, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

Resources:

Oregon Bigfoot Fadez YT channel - https://www.youtube.com/@OregonBigfootFadez

Drumming for Bigfoot documentary -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VPdOq7x8uM

The Oregon Bigfoot Highway book -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0692380817


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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us.

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Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his

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fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,

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please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.

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Thank you all right, Big for Society got the privilege

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of talking to Derek today. Derek is a fisherman, outdoorsman

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out there in the great area of the Pacific Northwest,

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specifically Oregon, and he's got some interesting things that he's

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going to share today. We've been trying to set this

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up for a while, so I'm glad that we're able

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to get Derek on the show. And welcome to the show, Derek,

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how are you today, sir?

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Doing good? My brother, Jeremiah, thank you for asking you.

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How about you?

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You know I'm doing good, you know as a time

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of time of recording, because I do these ahead of time.

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So right now.

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We just had the first meeting with the on cologists yesterday.

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We figured out, you know, we got eighty percent survival chance.

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We're gonna go for it. We're gonna we're gonna beat it.

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And uh and uh. There's there's a lot of treatment

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coming up, probably in the next few weeks, and there's

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a few steps before we get there. But God is

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good and he is in control.

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So God is that's what we're at, Derek. You just

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take your time getting back, brother, no rush, Just just

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make sure your health is number one.

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Brother, Yes, sir, So thank you, Derek.

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So so, Derek, is there anything else that you would

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like to let the listeners know before we get into

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your experiences?

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Were basically the woods are alive, buddy, you know, So

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that's that's all I'm going to say there.

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I love it.

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It is so true, especially you know, I've been privileged

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to go out to your area of the US a

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few times, and man, when you get out there.

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The woods are a live Oh.

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I've seen your Frank K videos. I've seen all your

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organ videos. Brother. I definitely keep up on what you

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do there. Brother.

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Yeah, it's a good time.

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So so, Derek, you know, bring us back to there

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must have been a time in your life out there

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when you realize there is something else going on in

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the woods or is it something where you've just you've

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grown up there and you've always known that there was

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something else, something that may be bigfoot out there.

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Oh oh definitely. Just you know, driving up there when

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I was younger, not hard for me to imagine that

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at all. I one of the first books I ever

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read was John green Sasquatch The Apes among Us. I

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wasn't a believer back then when I was a kid.

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I just liked to read about animals and you know,

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deer Elk, you know, whatever you'd give me, I'll read.

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But you know, so I read that book and it

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had a lot of the loggers experiences up above Malala Colton, Esticada,

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the Glenn Thomas report there, of the digging up on

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Tarzan Springs area, just you know a lot of a

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lot of things that drew me. Uh my Grandpa built

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roads for a guy named deird Orf up above Malala

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back in the day he was up he owned a

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lot of tracks of land up there, and Grandpa was

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always so adamant, Oh there's nothing up there, no bigfoot,

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no bigfoot. Well, now that I'm older, I almost wonder

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if that's what he was told to say. But so,

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you know that that kind of started it off. It

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didn't make me a believer, just kind of opened my

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eyes to things. Fast forward when I was about thirteen

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fourteen when I read the book so fast forward about

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ten years. Always went up Esticada Colton, Wala, probably daily,

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especially when the evening hit. I just like to go

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take drives up on the forest roads, you know, get

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up to a viewpoint, sit, you know, just relax. Good

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way to relieve the stress. So yeah, we were making

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daily trips up above Esticada Colton, not looking for Bigfoot,

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you know, just just me and my girlfriend just rolling.

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You know, a lot of stress in our lives, so

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that was a good way to get rid of it.

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So one night, after being to the same spot for

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probably a couple of weeks, every night at least we

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were rolling up top of this hill. It's about ten

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miles outside of Esticado, Oregon. The logging roads, galower clearcuts,

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big old growth on the ridges, just just beautiful. Get

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up to the top of this turnaround, Corey, and it

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was like a bolt of lightning. I don't know if there,

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if mama had a baby up there or something, but

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the scream. She had to have been probably twenty feet

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away from us. It was the most earth shattering the

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vibration of my chest from this thing just screaming. I

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mean it was. It was amazing. My girlfriend turned to me,

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she says, go, I put my truck in the reverse

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er spin out. I mean, I used to all animals,

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so for me to freak out o where a scream

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was just childish, right. So once we started going back

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down the mountain, she's like, what do you think that was?

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And I said, oh, I know exactly what that was.

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I know elk, I know Wolf, I know cougar screams.

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You can't kid this one. That was definitely something that

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has not been recorded. My brother. It was like a

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World War two siren, yet like guttural and like almost

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breathing in while it was. It was just the most

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amazing sound you're ever gonna hear, so that made me crazy.

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I went back up there the next day. I looked

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on the side of the hillside where the scream had

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emanated from, and it was tore up. There was something

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hanging out in that area. Holes dug inside of the hillside,

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like something was just digging for something. I found several indentions, impressions,

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not quite footprints, but you know, indentions. So fast forward

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a few years later, I'm at Harriet Lake, which is

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just i'd say three ridges over from the place where

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we got screamed at. And if you know the big man,

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three ridges over is not much for him to you know,

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cover with, you know, fifty inch stripes. Right. So, like

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I said, a few years later, at a campsite, we

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just got done trout fishing. I'm cooking my trout on

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the fire. We're surrounded in the cathedral of old growth

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and there's a hillside that shoots up from the back

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of the campsite and it's just basically straight almost, with

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a bunch of dead trees down trees, you know how

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the Oregon woods are. So we're cooking our trout and

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my girlfriend says, hey, hey, Derek, trying to make one

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of those sounds we heard a little while back up

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there on that mountain, and I'm like, no, I'm not

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going to try to do that. I really couldn't emulate that.

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So I'm like, I'll just try to do some chicken

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noises and we'll just see what happens. It was dusk,

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about eight eight thirty summertime, so the sun was just

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starting to go down up there in the mountains. And

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made a couple of chicken noises. It was just a

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bugock bagock bagot goofing around, not even trying to, you know,

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just seeing, you know, seeing what I can do here.

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But then one second of me making that noise, a

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tree was pushed over. Okay, now this isn't some little snag,

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This isn't some little little tree. I mean, this tree

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had to have been six inches eight inches in diameter.

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I'm a firm believer that they know where all the

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dead trees are. They know their environments so well. It's

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kind of like us in our room, right, we know

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if anything's out of place. These things are masters of

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what they do. Hunting pairs, man. I mean, I tell

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you they wonder where we don't find any bones. Well

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more than likely they're traveling in groups. You just don't.

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When you see one, you're not gonna see more than

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likely two or three. They're just hiding in the bushes,

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right or whatever. But I'm a firm believer that's why

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we don't find any bones is because they travel in pairs,

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and when one dies, it's a burial sort of like

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a human or vice versa. I mean, you know how

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bones get scattered in the woods so quickly. I mean

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it coyotes, vultures, raccoons, I mean things like that. So

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for people to bring stuff like that, well, there's there's

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no big foot because we don't find bones. And it's

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it's it's very funny to me, So go back to

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the tree cracking thing. Amazing. She looks at me again, says,

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we're out. I had my whole tint set up, our

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our ice shed, my freaking nice ice chest I just bought.

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We had we had everything set out, all our food

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on the picnic table, and we were out. I didn't

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even bother to pick up any of that stuff. We

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just got ran to the car, out to the tree

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fell and we were out. Because just the prior experiences,

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you know, it's pretty pretty weird. And I didn't hear

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a scream that time or anything. It was just the

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tree being pushed over, literally and not even a second

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after I stopped my calls. So that was interesting. This

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tree was big. I walked up there. I went up

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there about a month ago just to see what that

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hillside was like. I hadn't made it up there for

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a few years. And wow, that hillside was tore up.

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There was something up there. Man. I didn't find any

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footprints up there either, but it's kind of hard man

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in this when you got the forest floor like we

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have here in Oregon, you gotta get real lucky to

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find a footprint. So that was pretty crazy. Walked up there,

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checked it out, and I was like, Okay, I could

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definitely see a squatch up here, So that's pretty crazy

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about and then I, you know, ever since those experiences,

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just I've talked to many of people in the area

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up here, many friends whose dad has been screened at

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or pushed out of a campsite or basically saying things

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that have happened to me. So fast forward here after

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the harry Lake incident, and this was just a couple

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of months ago, I was up with Dicky Prairie, which

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is the Malia River corridor where one of the big

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fires just ripped through a few years ago. And I'm

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at a place called Horse Creek, which is a very

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very well knowing Bigfoot hot spot up there above the corridor. Well,

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I always look on the sides of the roads. I mean,

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I I'm a very observational person, if you know what

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I mean. I'm always looking for indentions when we're driving on, like,

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you know, see if anything ripped up the hillside alongside

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the road. I just try to pick out all the

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small things. Right. So we're driving and I tell my buddy,

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I'm like, slow down, slow down. I'm like, I see

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some indenttions here alongside the road. He's like, oh, there's

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nothing up here, dude. I'm like, I'm like, buddy, I'm like,

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you're sitting on your couch all day. I'm like, come on, man,

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I'm like, don't tell me what's up here. And he's like, okay,

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you know, so slowed down, let me get out. Well,

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I found fifteen inch to sixteen inches indentions. And I

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also found with thing put its hand in the hillside

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to you know, get some get some leverage, right right,

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next to those fifteen inch tracts were little seven inchtracks.

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No pictures, man, they did. They couldn't even come out

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because the way the sun was and the way the duck,

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you know. So it's like, and I don't have to

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prove anything to anybody, you know, if you don't believe

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me and take me at my face value, you know,

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and I don't really have time for you, you know. So, uh,

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that was interesting. The tracks led up to this little point.

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It was very steep, and it looked like they had

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sat there. Now my guess is that they were maybe

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looking for deer. I don't know. These were not put

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person footprints. The weight that where these footprints were I

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had to been five six hundred pounds, man. I mean

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we hadn't had much rain up there recently, so, I mean,

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just so many things I kind of, you know, dug

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out before. I'm thinking they're big footprints. It's not like

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I go directly to bigfoot, you know, I'm thinking, Okay,

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maybe it could have been a hunter, could have been

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somebody that walked up there to take a leak. You know.

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I don't know, But now that I think about it,

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I'm pretty dang sure there were squashed prints. So I

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get home, look up Horse Creek area. Cliff barrickman of

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finding Bigfoot, was up in that area about a year before.

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Well no, no, it was a couple of years before,

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and a lady had had a sighting of a big

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foot crossing the road, probably about maybe a mile down

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from this. These footprints that I found. Anyways, the footprints

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that he had casted were fifteen inch prints and that's

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about the seeing. The ones I measured were about sixteen

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fifteen and a half to sixteen, So I figured, well

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about a year later, a couple of years later, foot

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grew about an inch. That makes maybe sense, you know.

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So we go up there two days later to the

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same area because I want to see if those prints

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are still there. And I got my phone and everything,

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and you know, I'm just ready to you know, not

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get proof for other people, just to put it in

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my portfolio, if you know what I mean. And uh,

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there's burned ridges all up that area. They go to

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about three four or five thousand feet alongside that corridor there,

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and I'm looking directly across from where I had found

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the prints and up on this ridge across from the

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Walla River and up on a ridge about it was

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probably about a good half mile, you know, something to

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where you can at least make out what's up on

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a ridge, but you can't quite see what it is. Well,

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there was two burnt furs up there, huge, huge, They

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were just standing like sentinels, you know. And I see

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something out of place up there, and it's a black object.

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This thing had to be ten feet tall, eight eighteen

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feet tall. The thing starts walking around, Okay, could have

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been a hiker. I'm not sure. I'm still I didn't

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do my due diligence and checked to see if there's

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any trails in that specific area. But from what I

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saw it do, it walked a couple of circles and

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then walked over the ridge. That's when I knew it wasn't.

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That's you know, the stumps I was looking at because

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I stared at it because I was like, cause I

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a stump or is that a you know? It blended

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in so low. Well, on the way back down went

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up to we went up to table rock and stuff,

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hung out for a little bit, and then we came

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back down the corridor. I'm looking on that same ridge

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because I'm like, slow down, slow, down, buddy. Yo, there's

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my buddy. There's nothing up here, you know. Okay, bro,

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Well I see it again, but this time it's down

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the ridge a little further and basically did the same thing,

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kind of looked act like he was looking around. He

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slowed down enough for me to see it for about

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six to eight seconds, and then it disappears over the

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ridge again. I didn't I didn't say anything to him.

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I don't want him thinking, you know, it's not about

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being like crazy, it's just said. I don't on him

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thinking like I'm more you know, smart, smarter than people,

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or like more observational. I just keep things to myself sometimes.

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So it's very interesting. Brother. You know, we have such

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rich law around here. Rich law. Yeah, it just blows

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my mind. Then that Devin do Beck that was missing.

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I was going to bring that up.

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Yeah, yep, I mean that that first signing that where

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we had where we were screamed at that first time.

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Had it been maybe half a mile from where Devin

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do Beck.

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Was, Yeah, exactly.

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I was looking at the map and I was like, man,

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that's close, Like it's not that far away. If I'm

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looking at the right area, which you're when you're talking

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about Harriet Lake that's over by Ripplebrook area.

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Brother, Yep, going towards the lake, yep, yep, yep.

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Uh my goodness.

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There are so many things you can read on Oregon

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Bigfoot dot com about that area. You can read the

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Oregon Bigfoot Highway book by Joe Bieler.

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Oh, Joe Bieler, you should he lives right down the

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road for me, basically.

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Yeah, yeah, oh my goodness, I am convinced.

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So.

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Actually, first, whenever I have conversations like this, I always

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try to put in a thing where it's like because

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I know people listen to this show and they're like,

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I'm going to go check it out. Guys, like the

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areas that Derek is talking about, like Table Rock Wilderness

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and like Ripple Brook Harriet Lake, Like, you do not

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just go into these areas. You need to read the

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Oregon big Foot Highway. It's very unforgiving place. You need

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to have extra gas, extra tires, Like it is wild

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out there, and stuff happens and people go, they get

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lost and worse recently, as we just discussed, unfortunately, there

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are things that happen up in that area, and there's

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a lot, a lot of bigfoot activity over the years.

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It's you do not play around with the goals.

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No, brother, And if the forest alone will eat you up.

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So if it's not our thirty thousand black bears we

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have in the state, if it's not our seven thousand cougars,

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if it's not you know, or if it's not the

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maybe one hundred squats, a couple hundred squats we have,

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something's gonna get you. Whether it's the hillside you're gonna

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fall down it or I mean, yeah, So definitely use

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extreme caution if you're ever going to you know, make

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sure you have good walking shoes, make sure your one

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foot is solidly in the ground before you take another step.

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There's just certain precautions you have to take up here,

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because man, it's very easy for things to go sideways.

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Some of these roads you drive on, you know, Jeremiah,

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I mean I know, you know, Oakred, Jerry and all that.

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Some of these logging roads, brother, are you know straight down?

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It's funny I was reading one of your one of

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the ladies comments that was over your Oakridge video, and

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she was saying, or no, you were saying that the

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fires are making them uncontrollable down there. In the Eugene area. Brother,

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there have been ten fifteen different fires probably in the

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past ten years. It's funny. Up here in Portland, we

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haven't had much of a deficit ragin. But you go

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just south of Portland, Seattle, or I mean not Seattle,

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but Salem, Eugene, they've been very dry these past ten

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fifteen years. So yeah, there's been a lot of fires

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Eugene area. Oak Ridge, Man, is just unbelievable. I've heard

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of so many stories MacCready springs up there. It's just

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it's amazing. Brother, But I want to bring it back

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to the sound of what we heard. There's no way

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you can emulate what we heard. There's just no way.

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That scream was something that I will never be able

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to forget. And if I have to go up there

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every day after this, it feels so good to let

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this out on a channel that I feel respected. You know,

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it's such a good community you have, bro Like, you'll

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get your occasional troll but like everybody's respectful on the comments.

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Everybody like it's just a beautiful thing what you've got.

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And uh, you know you need that, especially when you

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feel like an outlier and you I mean Man, I've

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known people that have hunted all their lives, but just

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because they didn't come across something, or maybe they weren't

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even very observational, you know, because knowing these people that

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have told me they never found anything, you know, aren't

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the most observational people. So you know, but there's just

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so many things that blow my mind about this being

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ridiculed and over just something that just because somebody hasn't

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seen it. Oh it's not really. I'm just we need

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to change, whether it's people, if we want to. If

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we want to, we need to start believing each other.

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We need to start giving people benefit of the doubt,

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I mean, the way we treat each other. And that

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just goes on to the Bigfoot thing of people not

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believing or UFOs or whatever you're seeing. You know, I've

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had a couple of experiences with the UFOs, but I

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don't know. It could have been satellite from things like that,

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so I'm you know, I'm not about to step into

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that portal.

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But yeah, man, it's UFOs are So it's such a

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it's a tricky subject because like you said, there's there's

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so many things up there in the sky right now,

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with like Starlink and all that stuff, and you just

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got to really know what's up there. But man, this

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the whole area you're talking about, Like I am convinced.

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After So, I was down in oak Ridge and then

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I drove up to hang out with frankn Easter Rest

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in Peace, just the Cata area, and I didn't even

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touch the Oregon Big for Highway, and just going through Detroit,

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I was like, Oh my goodness, Like what am I doing?

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This is absolutely nuts. I Detroit was weird because it

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was the one area where I stopped and I was

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talking to people and it was extremely evident that they

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did not want to talk about anything weird. And it

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was just like, I've never gotten a vibe in Oregon

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or out there where it's like you need to leave,

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like right now, like.

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Just get out.

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And it was probably the California plates on my rental.

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But that could do it.

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That could do it.

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Brother, the next time, no California plates. But do you so,

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do you ever go up you know, we're talking about

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Lake Harriet and Ripple Brook and stuff. Do you ever

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go up and hang out in the area closer to

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Mount Hood like your your zigzag and Welch's and that

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whole area for.

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Sure, for sure, always up you know Lolo Pass.

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Oh yeah, I go up.

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I just Trillium Lake, Still Creek Campground. There are so

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many areas, brother, up mountain Hood. It's amazing, brother, it

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really is. Jeremiah. If you ever plan on leaving, you're

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in Iowa, right or yeah, okay, you ever plan on

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leaving there, brother, there's always a place in Oregon. We

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always got a place an organ for you, brother, because yeah, yeah,

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mount Hood is definitely a stomping ground for me. I

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just try to go everywhere. I guess, more places we go,

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more place, you know, more chances we have of you know,

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having that luck. But it's amazing. It's amazing, drem I

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I tell you, it's really skewed my my view of things,

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you know, because I remember the timber wars we had

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back when I was younger, and these timber wars were

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taking place right up where I had my first and

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second encounter and third encounter, literally right up on those

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same roads where those environment mineralists were blocking them the

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roads off, sleeping up in trees. This happened back in

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like the early nineties, you know what I mean, where

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it was a spotted out controversy. See, and they basically

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abruptly shut down logging up in all of our national forests,

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turned our national forests into just a bunch of dead

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snags and things. But what's funny is about that is

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you know, you wonder if a spotted out can shut

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down logging. Uh, you just wonder, And why we don't

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even if this thing, even if the government doesn't believe people,

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I believe, we still need to have some things in

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place here. I mean, you've got Scamania County, which is

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right across the river from US, and they're the only

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county in the United States to have actually a law

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again shooting a big foot brother. And I've been up

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in that area. I've stayed up there, and oh that's squatchy, man.

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I mean, I can just imagine Bigfoot up there on

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the Washington side and he just crosses the river over

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he to Oregon, and he just goes up to Mount Hood,

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kicks it for a little bit and crosses the river back. Oh.

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You know, I mean, I don't know, bro, they got

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a good imagination, especially with the experiences I've had. You know,

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it's not that our Pictureum, you know, just uh, but

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one thing I don't want to happen is, you know, uh,

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a lot of people. There's already so many people up

452
00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.599
in the mountains, brother, I feel they're being very you know,

453
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.039
pushed in the areas they don't want to go. We've

454
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.200
had a lot of fires lately, taken a lot of

455
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.400
their habitat. If you sit and look at a map

456
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:25.319
of fires in the past ten years in northern Oregon, Man,

457
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.759
it could be another ten twenty years, Jeremiah. And if

458
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.799
if the climate keeps doing what it's doing and we

459
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:32.920
don't take care of our forests, well, they could be

460
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.319
burned all the way from the west slopes of the Cascade,

461
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:41.000
from Colton, Esticada, you know, Detroit Lake area, all there

462
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.599
could be a fire that rips all the way across

463
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:44.640
the cascades. Brother, it could be to that point in

464
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:45.279
the next.

465
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:51.039
Oh absolutely, yeah, yep. I'm having people reach out already

466
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:58.039
where they're like, because there's fires already, and these are

467
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.960
people that are not in this saraily wanting to come

468
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.519
on the show, but they're like, man, I'm near this

469
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:10.559
certain fire and there is crazy Bigfoot activity happening, and

470
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:15.240
it's just like when these fires happened it just it.

471
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.799
It gets the wildlife moving around, and stuff can get

472
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.599
really crazy, which is why I think. You know, the

473
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:23.759
first time I went to Oakridge, there are fires all

474
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.640
around the town and that's why we had extreme activity

475
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.240
as opposed to the second time. It was a totally

476
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.880
different case and there was activity but not not a

477
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.000
ton of it, but there weren't fires around at that

478
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:42.440
at that time. So have you ever just just curious

479
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:44.680
because you're from the area, have you ever watched the

480
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.680
Drumming for Bigfoot documentary from.

481
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.680
The Night of Franzoni?

482
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.720
Right or yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah that.

483
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:59.279
And you may already know this, but some of that

484
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:02.759
was filmed an Esticada, like the part with the older

485
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.440
gentleman who lives in the trailer, like that's up in uh,

486
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:08.799
that's up in Esticado.

487
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.880
Yeah, I believe he was drumming around Scookham Lake. I

488
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:12.480
think it was.

489
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:17.480
Yes, yeah, that's where. That's where fran Zoni was. But uh,

490
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.880
that's that's such a good documentary. If people haven't haven't

491
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:24.480
watched that? And and also I really like Estercada. Have

492
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:28.200
you do you keep up to date with I have

493
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:32.400
a friend who interviews people about Bigfoot in that area. Oregon,

494
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:33.599
bigfoot fades.

495
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:42.200
Blonde girl. Yeah for sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah, yet

496
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.559
she's you know, you guys are doing God's work, brother, you.

497
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.160
Know, absolutely.

498
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.599
Trying to trying to so, man, I did want to

499
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.839
ask a few specific questions. So the sighting you had,

500
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.119
how far away was that?

501
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:58.440
Again?

502
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:00.880
Would you estimate that it was up there? You were

503
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:01.480
looking at it?

504
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.319
The one at Horse Creek? It had to been old brother,

505
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.400
it was. It was. We were on like I said,

506
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.519
about a half a mile three quarters of a mile

507
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.920
up on the ridge there. We were at an elevation

508
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.319
at about about fifteen hundred feet. He had to be

509
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:19.119
about i'd say three thirty five hundred feet up on

510
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.200
a up on a higher ridge. Brother, I the more

511
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.880
I think about it, No, that wasn't a hiker, you know.

512
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.240
I got to quit telling my stuff that myself that

513
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.799
because you know, your mind have played tricks on you.

514
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.640
But I know what I saw. I just sometimes I

515
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.440
wonder why me, you know, because it's really strange, am

516
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:38.759
I Some sometimes people go their lives without like really

517
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:44.720
experiencing any kind of I just don't know, but I had.

518
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.680
I had a very hard time past I'd say six

519
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.279
months just trying to you know, stomach everything that I've experienced,

520
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.119
because I you know, sometimes I'm like, what's the message like?

521
00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:00.160
But I've had some very profound experiences also with other things,

522
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.079
So I just chalk it up to that just maybe

523
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.640
I'm a special type of person. I try to respect

524
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:09.240
people as much as I can and no judgment. Who

525
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.319
am I to judge anybody? And I just try to

526
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.920
live a you know, keep my side of the street

527
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.119
clean and uh that way. Next time I do have

528
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.519
an experience, hopefully people will, hopefully my family and things

529
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.839
will believe me more right. I mean, it's it's a yeah, sure,

530
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.200
it's a very funny thing. Buddy. They'll listen to you,

531
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.079
but then they'll just walk away, and it's like a

532
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.799
repy not trying to make you a believe. I just

533
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.680
need to get this off my chest because it's driving

534
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:39.599
me insane. Basically, I look up reports all the time

535
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.200
and stuff. It's really an obsession, is what it's became.

536
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.200
But yeah, it's funny, you know, reading that book when

537
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.319
I was younger, and not, like I said, it's not

538
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:50.880
like I really it's not like I believe it. I

539
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:52.480
just kind of thought it was a fairy tale really

540
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.960
until like I said, ten, ten, fifteen years later, I'm

541
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.720
up in that same area and uh yeah, get the

542
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:04.920
shot of my life. Brother. Amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, And

543
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.799
I will never forget any of any of these experiences

544
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.519
that I've had, and I just hope to have more.

545
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:13.799
You know, I think that area that you're talking about

546
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.759
in Malala is close to Man, there was this one

547
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.559
interview I did a while back whereas an older gentleman

548
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:22.680
and he was telling this story about being up on

549
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.480
that road at a campsite and they were like pretty

550
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.079
much one chased them into their campsite. Wild wild stuff,

551
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:34.160
but just that, man, the stories you hear that happened

552
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.359
in that area are are pretty intense. Have you ever

553
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:42.599
heard any crazy stories around the Malala area or Oregon

554
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:43.359
Bigfoot Highway?

555
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:44.640
Anything weird that.

556
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.000
That that sticks out to you? And if not, that's

557
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:49.920
that's no sweat.

558
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.680
Oh yeah, brother, Oh yeah. One of the first during

559
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.839
high school, you know, after reading the books and everything,

560
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.400
when I was younger and then I had a buddy

561
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.440
that they were there were a bunch of bunch of

562
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.319
my friends partying up on Goat Mountain, which is where

563
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.000
Frank k would have, well, you know, find all the

564
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.480
track cast and everything. Well they're up there, it's two

565
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.440
thirty in the morning. They're basically doing the same thing

566
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.839
that I was, making a bunch of whoops and you know,

567
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.599
being stupid. Basically, well, I guess the tree got pushed

568
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.839
over on the campfire, put the dang thing out. Everybody

569
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.160
left within a split second. There was no screams or anything,

570
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.000
but they hurt something rushing around, rattling around the brush.

571
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.119
But yeah, next thing, you know, they said it was

572
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.759
a pretty good sized snag just got pushed over and

573
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.759
basically right onto the fire. Made it just boom boom,

574
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.880
and all the ashes, you know, all the sparks went everywhere,

575
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.920
and I guess they were out. But Goat Mountain is

576
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:48.119
another area that I've had. You know, you found some

577
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.559
strict stick structures and things like that. Never been screamed

578
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.720
that up there or anything. But like I said, Goat

579
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.920
mount is probably the way the crow flies, maybe a

580
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.079
mile or two from where I've where I had my

581
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:07.599
other experiences. So yeah, either it's a very territorial couple

582
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.000
of them up there, or we have no idea and

583
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.519
there could be like you know, I don't know, you know,

584
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.680
I said, and I think about what the population would

585
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.640
be in Oregon, you know, and I wouldn't assume it'd

586
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.880
be more than a few hundred animals, you know, like, well,

587
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.119
squatch is what I'm talking about, right exactly? You know

588
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.440
they're not. I mean, it was a really thing, can't

589
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:33.359
trail He just passed Tom Cantreill. The things I was

590
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.000
watching on his video there on the flash and beauty

591
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.920
of how he was saying that he actually they took

592
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.079
him up into the mountains and showed him where they met,

593
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.720
and he said there was up to eighteen adults in

594
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.119
sitting in the circle. And so what they would do

595
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.680
in Washington, what he was saying they were doing was

596
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.599
they would the sentinel, the big guy would tell him

597
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.440
which way to go to go find mates. So you

598
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:01.680
would send some to Oregon, I guess, well south, he

599
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.279
would send some north and he would just you know,

600
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.880
these things are much more intelligent when we'll ever know. Brother,

601
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.279
I have a feeling they're like an ancient human from

602
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.440
all the descriptions that I read. The brow line, the

603
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.279
the way the lips are, I mean, it just really

604
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.759
sounds to me it could almost be like a just

605
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.079
just an ancient human. Brother, That's that's all I can

606
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.200
pinpoint to two. I don't believe this is a gorilla

607
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.680
and maybe maybe part gorilla my hybrid type thing, but

608
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:33.480
it's not. No, this thing, this thing is very intelligent, brother.

609
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:38.920
I tell you. It's very obsessied. It's very It makes

610
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:40.920
me very obsessive feeling. But I don't think it's a

611
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:42.960
bad thing. I think I could have other worst things

612
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.720
that are that I'm obsessed about, if you know what

613
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:46.039
I mean.

614
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.759
So uh oh, totally yeah, yeah, this is not the

615
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:53.240
worst thing. Definitely to be obsessed about it. It's so

616
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.839
to soapbox for a minute. I am convinced after visiting

617
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.000
out there. Not I haven't even camped out there yet

618
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.799
at hopefully someday that will happen. But man, dude, I

619
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.360
was I don't talk about this all. I was supposed

620
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.559
to go camping with Frank Kineister, like we were going

621
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.960
to do like expeditions out there, and then life took

622
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:14.599
him too quick.

623
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:14.880
Man.

624
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.079
I was like, just that's heartbreaking. But I am convinced

625
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:25.159
that this area es de Caada Malala. And then you've

626
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:27.880
got mount Hood, like, oh, there's a reason Cliff is there,

627
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.800
like it is going to be discovered there. And Frank

628
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:31.719
was so close.

629
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.079
He was so close, dude.

630
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.280
Yeah, people don't even know you know, yep, But yeah,

631
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.800
it's it's gonna happen out there for sure. It's because man,

632
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:47.079
like you go up where rhododendron and welches are and

633
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:52.000
then it's crazy because like you can take that road

634
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.480
from where's it Welches and like it kind of goes

635
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.119
into that wilderness and then it's like all bets.

636
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.079
Are off, all bets are off.

637
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:08.159
You had that sighting that Cliff just talked about within

638
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.519
the last few months on that golf course, right Welches, right,

639
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:14.400
And I mean like, yeah, it's because you're you're putting

640
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.639
civilization down on this wedge into the wilderness. It's crazy,

641
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.400
it is, But I think I think it's going to

642
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.039
be around that area. Oh well, then you got bull

643
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.159
Run is crazy as well.

644
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.000
The whole bull Run bull Run brother, let me tell

645
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.079
you the watershed up there's protected. Nobody's let in there

646
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:38.039
except the workers. I've read. I've read several stories of

647
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.440
bull Run workers where they've either heard I I haven't

648
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:44.119
really seen any that they had said they had seen

649
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.119
a site they had had actual sighting, but it's so

650
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:48.800
thick in there, man. The only way you're really going

651
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.519
to see one is if it runs right across the

652
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.960
road in front of you. What's funny about Cliff Berrickman

653
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.880
was that he had called me. This my first sighting

654
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.559
when I got well, not sighting, but when I got

655
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:04.119
screamed that that first time I had called Cliff and

656
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.000
he had not done finding Bigfoot yet, he was just

657
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.239
starting to do it, and he called me. He had

658
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.639
called me and he's like, hey, you know, if you

659
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.000
can take me up there, I'm going to be doing

660
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:17.039
a show, and you know, blah blah blah. Well, I

661
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:18.440
said and thought about it for a minute, and I

662
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.320
was like, you know what if I do this, there's

663
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.360
going to be a thousand people up there. I don't

664
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.480
want this guy. I don't want this girl or guy

665
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.320
whatever it was of screamed at me. I don't want

666
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.119
him bugged. You know, I wouldn't want to be bugged

667
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.480
if I was up there. I just want to be

668
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:35.840
sitting in my ferns and looking at the trees and

669
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.519
waiting for a deer to come by so I can

670
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:41.039
break its neck, you know, Another theory on how they

671
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:44.280
hunt real quick is uh, I believe they hunt pairs

672
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.760
and one like they basically funnel him now and then

673
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:55.360
I believe they use like drag him down kind of

674
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.639
like grab onto the neck. I don't know. I've had

675
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.280
a vision to where like they put all their wait

676
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.760
onto the neck, drag the animal down, either grab him

677
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.840
by the horn or the ears, maybe the ears because

678
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.079
the ears are sensitive, and just pull down. And you know,

679
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.079
I've had a vision of the big old squatches breaking

680
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.880
up Elk's neck was like with no problem at all.

681
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.960
The handprint, brother, I forgot to go back to that,

682
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:18.920
the handprint that I found in the side of the

683
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:23.039
hillside there at Horse Creek next to those fifteen inch prints. Brother,

684
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:29.400
that hand was twice the size of mine at least

685
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.800
so and there had been no raining up there, like

686
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.440
I said, for yeah a long time. So yeah, Jeremiah,

687
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.159
I don't know. It's just like I said, it's great

688
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:39.800
to have a channel like yours to where I can

689
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.039
listen to like minded stories and not feel so such

690
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.760
feel like an outsider. And yeah, brother, I love listening

691
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.960
to like all your like you have so many Sandy

692
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.920
Oregon and scatpoos and ray in ears, so many stories from.

693
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.360
Yeah, and that's near.

694
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.320
Yeah, has a story to be told, Yes, one day,

695
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.320
and I hope I am the one that gets to

696
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:14.719
be able to tell it. Yeah, there is a developing

697
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.880
story on multiple fronts in or near Oregon. Right now,

698
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.679
we'll leave it at that. One more question for you, Derek,

699
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.480
just just in case something hits. Do you know anything?

700
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.239
Have you heard any accounts from the Lolo Pass area? Oh?

701
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.519
Yeah, oh yeah, buddy, there's a there's a man who

702
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.559
rides horses up there. I can't remember Northwest Sasquatch Studies. Wait,

703
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.320
he's been on your show, bro, Gary, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

704
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.679
the guy dude, he's like, well, he's like he's kind

705
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.400
of like I feel like me, like we draw him

706
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.320
in or something like. It's it's just a strange thing

707
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.480
how these people we can have so many experiences, and

708
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.079
some people will go ten lifetimes and never have even

709
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:56.679
one experience. So it just makes me wonder, is it

710
00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:00.480
a frequency I'm given? Like I don't know, I really

711
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.920
don't know whether, but yeah, Lolo Pass is a hot

712
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:03.679
dad brother.

713
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:05.239
Man.

714
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.679
Uh you got Sandy Ridge up in that area, you

715
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:15.840
got uh the power lines. Just basically a tip for

716
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.320
everybody before I go here is just drive forest roads,

717
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.840
look for game trails, look for look for messed up

718
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.559
uh you know, vegetation along the side of the road,

719
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.119
and just follow it. You know, make your own trail.

720
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.480
Don't if you're if you're planning on finding bigfoot, I wouldn't.

721
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.760
Uh you know, you'll see them on a trail that's

722
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.679
heavily used. But I just think if you make your

723
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.840
own trail and do you know, you know, do your

724
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.280
own due diligence, and I think you'd be a lot more.

725
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.199
And the other thing about the camera thing, Oh why

726
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.760
we had a picture. Well, you know what, bro, I

727
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.800
don't really see somebody being like, hey, Bigfoot, can you

728
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:55.280
stand there for a second smile. We're probably so enamored

729
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.800
with what we're seeing. I mean the eye content. I mean, dude,

730
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.639
I've I've been told from some Indian friends, warm Spring

731
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:03.880
Indian Reservation friends that I have. It's on the east

732
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.719
side of mountain Hood. They told me, you know, their elders,

733
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.159
uh no eye contact. They would open their hands out

734
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:14.480
like this kind of like a no threat. Uh no threat.

735
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.360
You know, don't your posture, make sure your posture, stoopid,

736
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.119
don't don't bluff yourself up any Just act like he's

737
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:28.000
the boss, which he is, and let him do his thing. Uh. Yeah, brother,

738
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.400
there's just so much stuff besides my own experiences of

739
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.320
friends and stories and things like that. Yeah, it's pretty amazing, bro, you.

740
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:39.119
Got to incredible. It's just it's it's such a fun.

741
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:44.039
If your life can intersect with that area and you're

742
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.199
into Bigfoot, you will have memories that will last forever.

743
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:48.320
Oh brother, the.

744
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:51.760
Woods, the woods will teach you something. Just please be

745
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.960
careful and don't go out by yourself unless you're like

746
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.639
Grizzly Adams there. I really wouldn't recommend it yet now

747
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.760
this channel does not recommend it. But but Derek, it

748
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.840
has been such a pleasure talking to you. Thank you

749
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:11.559
so much for hanging out with me today and it's

750
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.159
just been a great conversation about about the Pacific Northwest

751
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.079
and the mystery of Bigfoot in what you've experienced. And

752
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:20.760
thank you so much for coming on today, sir.

753
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.679
Thank you, Jeremiah much love my brother, Thank you so much.

754
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:27.199
I'll leave, you'll see my comments and I'll leave your

755
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.679
best wishes and we'll keep watching.

756
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.559
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

757
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.840
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

758
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in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

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seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

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a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

761
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to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something

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00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.239
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

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764
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upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

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you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

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769
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happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

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If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

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or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

775
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:39.039
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

776
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777
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You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

778
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The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

779
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carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

780
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We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

781
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