Terrifying Bigfoot Scream Shakes Witness Near Estacada, Oregon

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the. Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.

0:42 Thank you all right, Big for Society got the privilege of talking to Derek today. Derek is a fisherman, outdoorsman out there in the great area of the Pacific Northwest, specifically Oregon, and he's got some interesting things that he's going to share today. We've been trying to set this up for a while, so I'm glad that we're able to get Derek on the show. And welcome to the show, Derek, how are you today, sir? Doing good? My brother, Jeremiah, thank you for asking you. How about you? You know I'm doing good, you know as a time of time of recording, because I do these ahead of time. So right now. We just had the first meeting with the on cologists yesterday.

1:25 We figured out, you know, we got eighty percent survival chance. We're gonna go for it. We're gonna we're gonna beat it. And uh and uh. There's there's a lot of treatment coming up, probably in the next few weeks, and there's a few steps before we get there. But God is good and he is in control. So God is that's what we're at, Derek. You just take your time getting back, brother, no rush, Just just make sure your health is number one. Brother, Yes, sir, So thank you, Derek. So so, Derek, is there anything else that you would like to let the listeners know before we get into your experiences? Were basically the woods are alive, buddy, you know, So that's that's all I'm going to say there.

2:11 I love it. It is so true, especially you know, I've been privileged to go out to your area of the US a few times, and man, when you get out there. The woods are a live Oh. I've seen your Frank K videos. I've seen all your organ videos. Brother. I definitely keep up on what you do there. Brother. Yeah, it's a good time. So so, Derek, you know, bring us back to there must have been a time in your life out there when you realize there is something else going on in the woods or is it something where you've just you've grown up there and you've always known that there was something else, something that may be bigfoot out there.

2:53 Oh oh definitely. Just you know, driving up there when I was younger, not hard for me to imagine that at all. I one of the first books I ever read was John green Sasquatch The Apes among Us. I wasn't a believer back then when I was a kid. I just liked to read about animals and you know, deer Elk, you know, whatever you'd give me, I'll read. But you know, so I read that book and it had a lot of the loggers experiences up above Malala Colton, Esticada, the Glenn Thomas report there, of the digging up on Tarzan Springs area, just you know a lot of a lot of things that drew me. Uh my Grandpa built roads for a guy named deird Orf up above Malala back in the day he was up he owned a lot of tracks of land up there, and Grandpa was always so adamant, Oh there's nothing up there, no bigfoot, no bigfoot. Well, now that I'm older, I almost wonder if that's what he was told to say. But so, you know that that kind of started it off. It didn't make me a believer, just kind of opened my eyes to things. Fast forward when I was about thirteen fourteen when I read the book so fast forward about ten years. Always went up Esticada Colton, Wala, probably daily, especially when the evening hit. I just like to go take drives up on the forest roads, you know, get up to a viewpoint, sit, you know, just relax. Good

4:27 way to relieve the stress. So yeah, we were making daily trips up above Esticada Colton, not looking for Bigfoot, you know, just just me and my girlfriend just rolling. You know, a lot of stress in our lives, so that was a good way to get rid of it. So one night, after being to the same spot for probably a couple of weeks, every night at least we were rolling up top of this hill. It's about ten miles outside of Esticado, Oregon. The logging roads, galower clearcuts, big old growth on the ridges, just just beautiful. Get up to the top of this turnaround, Corey, and it was like a bolt of lightning. I don't know if there, if mama had a baby up there or something, but the scream. She had to have been probably twenty feet away from us. It was the most earth shattering the vibration of my chest from this thing just screaming. I mean it was. It was amazing. My girlfriend turned to me, she says, go, I put my truck in the reverse er spin out. I mean, I used to all animals, so for me to freak out o where a scream was just childish, right. So once we started going back down the mountain, she's like, what do you think that was?

5:50 And I said, oh, I know exactly what that was. I know elk, I know Wolf, I know cougar screams. You can't kid this one. That was definitely something that has not been recorded. My brother. It was like a World War two siren, yet like guttural and like almost breathing in while it was. It was just the most amazing sound you're ever gonna hear, so that made me crazy. I went back up there the next day. I looked on the side of the hillside where the scream had emanated from, and it was tore up. There was something hanging out in that area. Holes dug inside of the hillside, like something was just digging for something. I found several indentions, impressions, not quite footprints, but you know, indentions. So fast forward a few years later, I'm at Harriet Lake, which is just i'd say three ridges over from the place where we got screamed at. And if you know the big man, three ridges over is not much for him to you know, cover with, you know, fifty inch stripes. Right. So, like I said, a few years later, at a campsite, we just got done trout fishing. I'm cooking my trout on the fire. We're surrounded in the cathedral of old growth and there's a hillside that shoots up from the back of the campsite and it's just basically straight almost, with

7:22 a bunch of dead trees down trees, you know how the Oregon woods are. So we're cooking our trout and my girlfriend says, hey, hey, Derek, trying to make one of those sounds we heard a little while back up there on that mountain, and I'm like, no, I'm not going to try to do that. I really couldn't emulate that. So I'm like, I'll just try to do some chicken noises and we'll just see what happens. It was dusk, about eight eight thirty summertime, so the sun was just starting to go down up there in the mountains. And made a couple of chicken noises. It was just a bugock bagock bagot goofing around, not even trying to, you know, just seeing, you know, seeing what I can do here.

8:04 But then one second of me making that noise, a tree was pushed over. Okay, now this isn't some little snag, This isn't some little little tree. I mean, this tree had to have been six inches eight inches in diameter. I'm a firm believer that they know where all the dead trees are. They know their environments so well. It's kind of like us in our room, right, we know if anything's out of place. These things are masters of what they do. Hunting pairs, man. I mean, I tell you they wonder where we don't find any bones. Well more than likely they're traveling in groups. You just don't.

8:46 When you see one, you're not gonna see more than likely two or three. They're just hiding in the bushes, right or whatever. But I'm a firm believer that's why we don't find any bones is because they travel in pairs, and when one dies, it's a burial sort of like a human or vice versa. I mean, you know how bones get scattered in the woods so quickly. I mean it coyotes, vultures, raccoons, I mean things like that. So for people to bring stuff like that, well, there's there's no big foot because we don't find bones. And it's it's it's very funny to me, So go back to the tree cracking thing. Amazing. She looks at me again, says, we're out. I had my whole tint set up, our our ice shed, my freaking nice ice chest I just bought.

9:32 We had we had everything set out, all our food on the picnic table, and we were out. I didn't even bother to pick up any of that stuff. We just got ran to the car, out to the tree fell and we were out. Because just the prior experiences, you know, it's pretty pretty weird. And I didn't hear a scream that time or anything. It was just the tree being pushed over, literally and not even a second after I stopped my calls. So that was interesting. This tree was big. I walked up there. I went up there about a month ago just to see what that hillside was like. I hadn't made it up there for a few years. And wow, that hillside was tore up.

10:14 There was something up there. Man. I didn't find any footprints up there either, but it's kind of hard man in this when you got the forest floor like we have here in Oregon, you gotta get real lucky to find a footprint. So that was pretty crazy. Walked up there, checked it out, and I was like, Okay, I could definitely see a squatch up here, So that's pretty crazy about and then I, you know, ever since those experiences, just I've talked to many of people in the area up here, many friends whose dad has been screened at or pushed out of a campsite or basically saying things that have happened to me. So fast forward here after the harry Lake incident, and this was just a couple of months ago, I was up with Dicky Prairie, which is the Malia River corridor where one of the big fires just ripped through a few years ago. And I'm at a place called Horse Creek, which is a very very well knowing Bigfoot hot spot up there above the corridor. Well, I always look on the sides of the roads. I mean, I I'm a very observational person, if you know what I mean. I'm always looking for indentions when we're driving on, like, you know, see if anything ripped up the hillside alongside the road. I just try to pick out all the small things. Right. So we're driving and I tell my buddy, I'm like, slow down, slow down. I'm like, I see some indenttions here alongside the road. He's like, oh, there's nothing up here, dude. I'm like, I'm like, buddy, I'm like,

11:45 you're sitting on your couch all day. I'm like, come on, man, I'm like, don't tell me what's up here. And he's like, okay, you know, so slowed down, let me get out. Well, I found fifteen inch to sixteen inches indentions. And I also found with thing put its hand in the hillside to you know, get some get some leverage, right right, next to those fifteen inch tracts were little seven inchtracks. No pictures, man, they did. They couldn't even come out because the way the sun was and the way the duck, you know. So it's like, and I don't have to prove anything to anybody, you know, if you don't believe me and take me at my face value, you know, and I don't really have time for you, you know. So, uh, that was interesting. The tracks led up to this little point.

12:31 It was very steep, and it looked like they had sat there. Now my guess is that they were maybe looking for deer. I don't know. These were not put person footprints. The weight that where these footprints were I had to been five six hundred pounds, man. I mean we hadn't had much rain up there recently, so, I mean, just so many things I kind of, you know, dug out before. I'm thinking they're big footprints. It's not like I go directly to bigfoot, you know, I'm thinking, Okay, maybe it could have been a hunter, could have been somebody that walked up there to take a leak. You know. I don't know, But now that I think about it, I'm pretty dang sure there were squashed prints. So I get home, look up Horse Creek area. Cliff barrickman of finding Bigfoot, was up in that area about a year before.

13:23 Well no, no, it was a couple of years before, and a lady had had a sighting of a big foot crossing the road, probably about maybe a mile down from this. These footprints that I found. Anyways, the footprints that he had casted were fifteen inch prints and that's about the seeing. The ones I measured were about sixteen fifteen and a half to sixteen, So I figured, well about a year later, a couple of years later, foot grew about an inch. That makes maybe sense, you know. So we go up there two days later to the same area because I want to see if those prints are still there. And I got my phone and everything, and you know, I'm just ready to you know, not get proof for other people, just to put it in my portfolio, if you know what I mean. And uh, there's burned ridges all up that area. They go to about three four or five thousand feet alongside that corridor there, and I'm looking directly across from where I had found the prints and up on this ridge across from the Walla River and up on a ridge about it was probably about a good half mile, you know, something to where you can at least make out what's up on a ridge, but you can't quite see what it is. Well, there was two burnt furs up there, huge, huge, They were just standing like sentinels, you know. And I see something out of place up there, and it's a black object.

14:51 This thing had to be ten feet tall, eight eighteen feet tall. The thing starts walking around, Okay, could have been a hiker. I'm not sure. I'm still I didn't do my due diligence and checked to see if there's any trails in that specific area. But from what I saw it do, it walked a couple of circles and then walked over the ridge. That's when I knew it wasn't. That's you know, the stumps I was looking at because I stared at it because I was like, cause I a stump or is that a you know? It blended in so low. Well, on the way back down went up to we went up to table rock and stuff, hung out for a little bit, and then we came back down the corridor. I'm looking on that same ridge because I'm like, slow down, slow, down, buddy. Yo, there's my buddy. There's nothing up here, you know. Okay, bro, Well I see it again, but this time it's down the ridge a little further and basically did the same thing, kind of looked act like he was looking around. He slowed down enough for me to see it for about six to eight seconds, and then it disappears over the ridge again. I didn't I didn't say anything to him.

15:54 I don't want him thinking, you know, it's not about being like crazy, it's just said. I don't on him thinking like I'm more you know, smart, smarter than people, or like more observational. I just keep things to myself sometimes. So it's very interesting. Brother. You know, we have such rich law around here. Rich law. Yeah, it just blows my mind. Then that Devin do Beck that was missing. I was going to bring that up. Yeah, yep, I mean that that first signing that where we had where we were screamed at that first time. Had it been maybe half a mile from where Devin do Beck. Was, Yeah, exactly.

16:34 I was looking at the map and I was like, man, that's close, Like it's not that far away. If I'm looking at the right area, which you're when you're talking about Harriet Lake that's over by Ripplebrook area. Brother, Yep, going towards the lake, yep, yep, yep. Uh my goodness. There are so many things you can read on Oregon Bigfoot dot com about that area. You can read the Oregon Bigfoot Highway book by Joe Bieler. Oh, Joe Bieler, you should he lives right down the road for me, basically. Yeah, yeah, oh my goodness, I am convinced. So. Actually, first, whenever I have conversations like this, I always try to put in a thing where it's like because I know people listen to this show and they're like, I'm going to go check it out. Guys, like the areas that Derek is talking about, like Table Rock Wilderness and like Ripple Brook Harriet Lake, Like, you do not just go into these areas. You need to read the Oregon big Foot Highway. It's very unforgiving place. You need to have extra gas, extra tires, Like it is wild out there, and stuff happens and people go, they get lost and worse recently, as we just discussed, unfortunately, there are things that happen up in that area, and there's a lot, a lot of bigfoot activity over the years.

17:52 It's you do not play around with the goals. No, brother, And if the forest alone will eat you up. So if it's not our thirty thousand black bears we have in the state, if it's not our seven thousand cougars, if it's not you know, or if it's not the maybe one hundred squats, a couple hundred squats we have, something's gonna get you. Whether it's the hillside you're gonna fall down it or I mean, yeah, So definitely use extreme caution if you're ever going to you know, make sure you have good walking shoes, make sure your one foot is solidly in the ground before you take another step. There's just certain precautions you have to take up here, because man, it's very easy for things to go sideways.

18:33 Some of these roads you drive on, you know, Jeremiah, I mean I know, you know, Oakred, Jerry and all that. Some of these logging roads, brother, are you know straight down? It's funny I was reading one of your one of the ladies comments that was over your Oakridge video, and she was saying, or no, you were saying that the fires are making them uncontrollable down there. In the Eugene area. Brother, there have been ten fifteen different fires probably in the past ten years. It's funny. Up here in Portland, we haven't had much of a deficit ragin. But you go just south of Portland, Seattle, or I mean not Seattle, but Salem, Eugene, they've been very dry these past ten fifteen years. So yeah, there's been a lot of fires Eugene area. Oak Ridge, Man, is just unbelievable. I've heard of so many stories MacCready springs up there. It's just it's amazing. Brother, But I want to bring it back to the sound of what we heard. There's no way you can emulate what we heard. There's just no way.

19:38 That scream was something that I will never be able to forget. And if I have to go up there every day after this, it feels so good to let this out on a channel that I feel respected. You know, it's such a good community you have, bro Like, you'll get your occasional troll but like everybody's respectful on the comments. Everybody like it's just a beautiful thing what you've got. And uh, you know you need that, especially when you feel like an outlier and you I mean Man, I've known people that have hunted all their lives, but just because they didn't come across something, or maybe they weren't even very observational, you know, because knowing these people that have told me they never found anything, you know, aren't the most observational people. So you know, but there's just so many things that blow my mind about this being ridiculed and over just something that just because somebody hasn't seen it. Oh it's not really. I'm just we need to change, whether it's people, if we want to. If we want to, we need to start believing each other.

20:40 We need to start giving people benefit of the doubt, I mean, the way we treat each other. And that just goes on to the Bigfoot thing of people not believing or UFOs or whatever you're seeing. You know, I've had a couple of experiences with the UFOs, but I don't know. It could have been satellite from things like that, so I'm you know, I'm not about to step into that portal. But yeah, man, it's UFOs are So it's such a it's a tricky subject because like you said, there's there's so many things up there in the sky right now, with like Starlink and all that stuff, and you just got to really know what's up there. But man, this the whole area you're talking about, Like I am convinced.

21:29 After So, I was down in oak Ridge and then I drove up to hang out with frankn Easter Rest in Peace, just the Cata area, and I didn't even touch the Oregon Big for Highway, and just going through Detroit, I was like, Oh my goodness, Like what am I doing? This is absolutely nuts. I Detroit was weird because it was the one area where I stopped and I was talking to people and it was extremely evident that they did not want to talk about anything weird. And it was just like, I've never gotten a vibe in Oregon or out there where it's like you need to leave, like right now, like.

22:09 Just get out. And it was probably the California plates on my rental. But that could do it. That could do it. Brother, the next time, no California plates. But do you so, do you ever go up you know, we're talking about Lake Harriet and Ripple Brook and stuff. Do you ever go up and hang out in the area closer to Mount Hood like your your zigzag and Welch's and that whole area for. Sure, for sure, always up you know Lolo Pass. Oh yeah, I go up. I just Trillium Lake, Still Creek Campground. There are so many areas, brother, up mountain Hood. It's amazing, brother, it really is. Jeremiah. If you ever plan on leaving, you're in Iowa, right or yeah, okay, you ever plan on leaving there, brother, there's always a place in Oregon. We always got a place an organ for you, brother, because yeah, yeah, mount Hood is definitely a stomping ground for me. I just try to go everywhere. I guess, more places we go, more place, you know, more chances we have of you know, having that luck. But it's amazing. It's amazing, drem I I tell you, it's really skewed my my view of things, you know, because I remember the timber wars we had

23:40 back when I was younger, and these timber wars were taking place right up where I had my first and second encounter and third encounter, literally right up on those same roads where those environment mineralists were blocking them the roads off, sleeping up in trees. This happened back in like the early nineties, you know what I mean, where it was a spotted out controversy. See, and they basically abruptly shut down logging up in all of our national forests, turned our national forests into just a bunch of dead snags and things. But what's funny is about that is you know, you wonder if a spotted out can shut down logging. Uh, you just wonder, And why we don't even if this thing, even if the government doesn't believe people, I believe, we still need to have some things in place here. I mean, you've got Scamania County, which is right across the river from US, and they're the only county in the United States to have actually a law again shooting a big foot brother. And I've been up in that area. I've stayed up there, and oh that's squatchy, man.

24:45 I mean, I can just imagine Bigfoot up there on the Washington side and he just crosses the river over he to Oregon, and he just goes up to Mount Hood, kicks it for a little bit and crosses the river back. Oh. You know, I mean, I don't know, bro, they got a good imagination, especially with the experiences I've had. You know, it's not that our Pictureum, you know, just uh, but one thing I don't want to happen is, you know, uh, a lot of people. There's already so many people up in the mountains, brother, I feel they're being very you know, pushed in the areas they don't want to go. We've had a lot of fires lately, taken a lot of their habitat. If you sit and look at a map of fires in the past ten years in northern Oregon, Man, it could be another ten twenty years, Jeremiah. And if if the climate keeps doing what it's doing and we don't take care of our forests, well, they could be burned all the way from the west slopes of the Cascade, from Colton, Esticada, you know, Detroit Lake area, all there could be a fire that rips all the way across the cascades. Brother, it could be to that point in the next.

25:45 Oh absolutely, yeah, yep. I'm having people reach out already where they're like, because there's fires already, and these are people that are not in this saraily wanting to come on the show, but they're like, man, I'm near this certain fire and there is crazy Bigfoot activity happening, and it's just like when these fires happened it just it. It gets the wildlife moving around, and stuff can get really crazy, which is why I think. You know, the first time I went to Oakridge, there are fires all around the town and that's why we had extreme activity as opposed to the second time. It was a totally different case and there was activity but not not a ton of it, but there weren't fires around at that at that time. So have you ever just just curious because you're from the area, have you ever watched the Drumming for Bigfoot documentary from.

26:46 The Night of Franzoni? Right or yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah that. And you may already know this, but some of that was filmed an Esticada, like the part with the older gentleman who lives in the trailer, like that's up in uh, that's up in Esticado. Yeah, I believe he was drumming around Scookham Lake. I think it was. Yes, yeah, that's where. That's where fran Zoni was. But uh, that's that's such a good documentary. If people haven't haven't watched that? And and also I really like Estercada. Have you do you keep up to date with I have a friend who interviews people about Bigfoot in that area. Oregon, bigfoot fades.

27:35 Blonde girl. Yeah for sure, sure, yeah, oh yeah, yet she's you know, you guys are doing God's work, brother, you. Know, absolutely. Trying to trying to so, man, I did want to ask a few specific questions. So the sighting you had, how far away was that? Again? Would you estimate that it was up there? You were looking at it? The one at Horse Creek? It had to been old brother, it was. It was. We were on like I said, about a half a mile three quarters of a mile up on the ridge there. We were at an elevation at about about fifteen hundred feet. He had to be about i'd say three thirty five hundred feet up on a up on a higher ridge. Brother, I the more I think about it, No, that wasn't a hiker, you know.

28:23 I got to quit telling my stuff that myself that because you know, your mind have played tricks on you. But I know what I saw. I just sometimes I wonder why me, you know, because it's really strange, am I Some sometimes people go their lives without like really experiencing any kind of I just don't know, but I had. I had a very hard time past I'd say six months just trying to you know, stomach everything that I've experienced, because I you know, sometimes I'm like, what's the message like? But I've had some very profound experiences also with other things, So I just chalk it up to that just maybe I'm a special type of person. I try to respect people as much as I can and no judgment. Who am I to judge anybody? And I just try to live a you know, keep my side of the street clean and uh that way. Next time I do have an experience, hopefully people will, hopefully my family and things will believe me more right. I mean, it's it's a yeah, sure, it's a very funny thing. Buddy. They'll listen to you, but then they'll just walk away, and it's like a repy not trying to make you a believe. I just need to get this off my chest because it's driving me insane. Basically, I look up reports all the time and stuff. It's really an obsession, is what it's became.

29:44 But yeah, it's funny, you know, reading that book when I was younger, and not, like I said, it's not like I really it's not like I believe it. I just kind of thought it was a fairy tale really until like I said, ten, ten, fifteen years later, I'm up in that same area and uh yeah, get the shot of my life. Brother. Amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, And I will never forget any of any of these experiences that I've had, and I just hope to have more. You know, I think that area that you're talking about in Malala is close to Man, there was this one interview I did a while back whereas an older gentleman and he was telling this story about being up on that road at a campsite and they were like pretty much one chased them into their campsite. Wild wild stuff, but just that, man, the stories you hear that happened in that area are are pretty intense. Have you ever heard any crazy stories around the Malala area or Oregon Bigfoot Highway?

30:43 Anything weird that. That that sticks out to you? And if not, that's that's no sweat. Oh yeah, brother, Oh yeah. One of the first during high school, you know, after reading the books and everything, when I was younger and then I had a buddy that they were there were a bunch of bunch of my friends partying up on Goat Mountain, which is where Frank k would have, well, you know, find all the track cast and everything. Well they're up there, it's two thirty in the morning. They're basically doing the same thing that I was, making a bunch of whoops and you know, being stupid. Basically, well, I guess the tree got pushed over on the campfire, put the dang thing out. Everybody left within a split second. There was no screams or anything, but they hurt something rushing around, rattling around the brush.

31:26 But yeah, next thing, you know, they said it was a pretty good sized snag just got pushed over and basically right onto the fire. Made it just boom boom, and all the ashes, you know, all the sparks went everywhere, and I guess they were out. But Goat Mountain is another area that I've had. You know, you found some strict stick structures and things like that. Never been screamed that up there or anything. But like I said, Goat mount is probably the way the crow flies, maybe a mile or two from where I've where I had my other experiences. So yeah, either it's a very territorial couple of them up there, or we have no idea and there could be like you know, I don't know, you know, I said, and I think about what the population would be in Oregon, you know, and I wouldn't assume it'd be more than a few hundred animals, you know, like, well, squatch is what I'm talking about, right exactly? You know they're not. I mean, it was a really thing, can't trail He just passed Tom Cantreill. The things I was watching on his video there on the flash and beauty of how he was saying that he actually they took him up into the mountains and showed him where they met, and he said there was up to eighteen adults in sitting in the circle. And so what they would do in Washington, what he was saying they were doing was they would the sentinel, the big guy would tell him which way to go to go find mates. So you

32:58 would send some to Oregon, I guess, well south, he would send some north and he would just you know, these things are much more intelligent when we'll ever know. Brother, I have a feeling they're like an ancient human from all the descriptions that I read. The brow line, the the way the lips are, I mean, it just really sounds to me it could almost be like a just just an ancient human. Brother, That's that's all I can pinpoint to two. I don't believe this is a gorilla and maybe maybe part gorilla my hybrid type thing, but it's not. No, this thing, this thing is very intelligent, brother. I tell you. It's very obsessied. It's very It makes me very obsessive feeling. But I don't think it's a bad thing. I think I could have other worst things that are that I'm obsessed about, if you know what I mean.

33:46 So uh oh, totally yeah, yeah, this is not the worst thing. Definitely to be obsessed about it. It's so to soapbox for a minute. I am convinced after visiting out there. Not I haven't even camped out there yet at hopefully someday that will happen. But man, dude, I was I don't talk about this all. I was supposed to go camping with Frank Kineister, like we were going to do like expeditions out there, and then life took him too quick. Man. I was like, just that's heartbreaking. But I am convinced that this area es de Caada Malala. And then you've got mount Hood, like, oh, there's a reason Cliff is there, like it is going to be discovered there. And Frank was so close.

34:31 He was so close, dude. Yeah, people don't even know you know, yep, But yeah, it's it's gonna happen out there for sure. It's because man, like you go up where rhododendron and welches are and then it's crazy because like you can take that road from where's it Welches and like it kind of goes into that wilderness and then it's like all bets. Are off, all bets are off. You had that sighting that Cliff just talked about within the last few months on that golf course, right Welches, right, And I mean like, yeah, it's because you're you're putting civilization down on this wedge into the wilderness. It's crazy, it is, But I think I think it's going to be around that area. Oh well, then you got bull Run is crazy as well.

35:28 The whole bull Run bull Run brother, let me tell you the watershed up there's protected. Nobody's let in there except the workers. I've read. I've read several stories of bull Run workers where they've either heard I I haven't really seen any that they had said they had seen a site they had had actual sighting, but it's so thick in there, man. The only way you're really going to see one is if it runs right across the road in front of you. What's funny about Cliff Berrickman was that he had called me. This my first sighting when I got well, not sighting, but when I got screamed that that first time I had called Cliff and he had not done finding Bigfoot yet, he was just starting to do it, and he called me. He had called me and he's like, hey, you know, if you can take me up there, I'm going to be doing a show, and you know, blah blah blah. Well, I said and thought about it for a minute, and I was like, you know what if I do this, there's going to be a thousand people up there. I don't want this guy. I don't want this girl or guy whatever it was of screamed at me. I don't want him bugged. You know, I wouldn't want to be bugged if I was up there. I just want to be sitting in my ferns and looking at the trees and waiting for a deer to come by so I can break its neck, you know, Another theory on how they hunt real quick is uh, I believe they hunt pairs and one like they basically funnel him now and then I believe they use like drag him down kind of like grab onto the neck. I don't know. I've had a vision to where like they put all their wait

37:00 onto the neck, drag the animal down, either grab him by the horn or the ears, maybe the ears because the ears are sensitive, and just pull down. And you know, I've had a vision of the big old squatches breaking up Elk's neck was like with no problem at all. The handprint, brother, I forgot to go back to that, the handprint that I found in the side of the hillside there at Horse Creek next to those fifteen inch prints. Brother, that hand was twice the size of mine at least so and there had been no raining up there, like I said, for yeah a long time. So yeah, Jeremiah, I don't know. It's just like I said, it's great to have a channel like yours to where I can listen to like minded stories and not feel so such feel like an outsider. And yeah, brother, I love listening to like all your like you have so many Sandy Oregon and scatpoos and ray in ears, so many stories from.

37:57 Yeah, and that's near. Yeah, has a story to be told, Yes, one day, and I hope I am the one that gets to be able to tell it. Yeah, there is a developing story on multiple fronts in or near Oregon. Right now, we'll leave it at that. One more question for you, Derek, just just in case something hits. Do you know anything? Have you heard any accounts from the Lolo Pass area? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, buddy, there's a there's a man who rides horses up there. I can't remember Northwest Sasquatch Studies. Wait, he's been on your show, bro, Gary, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy dude, he's like, well, he's like he's kind of like I feel like me, like we draw him in or something like. It's it's just a strange thing how these people we can have so many experiences, and some people will go ten lifetimes and never have even one experience. So it just makes me wonder, is it a frequency I'm given? Like I don't know, I really don't know whether, but yeah, Lolo Pass is a hot dad brother.

39:04 Man. Uh you got Sandy Ridge up in that area, you got uh the power lines. Just basically a tip for everybody before I go here is just drive forest roads, look for game trails, look for look for messed up uh you know, vegetation along the side of the road, and just follow it. You know, make your own trail. Don't if you're if you're planning on finding bigfoot, I wouldn't. Uh you know, you'll see them on a trail that's heavily used. But I just think if you make your own trail and do you know, you know, do your own due diligence, and I think you'd be a lot more. And the other thing about the camera thing, Oh why we had a picture. Well, you know what, bro, I don't really see somebody being like, hey, Bigfoot, can you stand there for a second smile. We're probably so enamored with what we're seeing. I mean the eye content. I mean, dude, I've I've been told from some Indian friends, warm Spring Indian Reservation friends that I have. It's on the east side of mountain Hood. They told me, you know, their elders, uh no eye contact. They would open their hands out like this kind of like a no threat. Uh no threat.

40:14 You know, don't your posture, make sure your posture, stoopid, don't don't bluff yourself up any Just act like he's the boss, which he is, and let him do his thing. Uh. Yeah, brother, there's just so much stuff besides my own experiences of friends and stories and things like that. Yeah, it's pretty amazing, bro, you. Got to incredible. It's just it's it's such a fun. If your life can intersect with that area and you're into Bigfoot, you will have memories that will last forever. Oh brother, the. Woods, the woods will teach you something. Just please be careful and don't go out by yourself unless you're like Grizzly Adams there. I really wouldn't recommend it yet now this channel does not recommend it. But but Derek, it has been such a pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today and it's just been a great conversation about about the Pacific Northwest and the mystery of Bigfoot in what you've experienced. And thank you so much for coming on today, sir.

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