Terrifying Tales from the Catskills: My Bigfoot Encounters with the Squatch Father (Archives)

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Big for Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right. Big for Society got the privilege of talking to Al Santa Riga today. Some people might know him, well, actually, most people might know him as the Squatch Father. How's it going today, Al.

0:51 It's going good. Jeremy, how you doing. I'm doing great, man. I'm excited to talk to you. We've been trying to make this happen for a while and we finally we're a will get you on. You reached out and said, hey, I got some time, so let's make it happen. You are out from the Great State of New York, and you've been involved with quite a few things out there. For example, you're the founder director of the New York State UFO Project, the New York State Sasquatch Organization, the New York State dog Man Project, and also the director of the North American dog Man Project New York State Chapter, and also a member of MOUF on many different things or any other things that you want to make sure that you know.

1:35 Absolutely, the Bronxville Paranormal Society is the is the mother, the mothership of all of these things. But it all started from there and then branched off into different little genres. Absolutely. You know, I'd love to know right off the bat, what's the story of the name the Squatch Father. That sounds like it could be pretty interesting. Oh. I was doing a show for Chris Reinhart from the Discovery Sasquatch in from Connecticut, and you know, my heavy Bronx accent and being Italian, you know what I mean. So he came up with the Squatch Father and it kind of just stuck from there.

2:20 That's awesome. Are you from a certain part in New York that you'd be okay sharing for context. Yeah, sure, Yeah. I grew up in Yonkers, New York, and you know, spent a lot of time Yonkers is like an extension of the Bronx, since I spent a lot of time in the Bronx as well, you know, growing up. So yeah, So, I mean, like people, a lot of people can't understand me because of my New York accent, you know what I mean. They have a lot of trouble understanding what I'm saying sometimes, so or they'll get They'll they'll say, is that a Brooklyn accent? I was saying, No, that's a Bronx accent. Absolutely. I grew up in Western mass Massachusetts, so I've heard I heard the New York accent a few times, so I get it. It's it's a good sound. I like it.

3:11 I am. I'm curious to know. I always like to to hear. Uh, what was it that first got you into into Bigfoot in the beginning? Well, I mean that's easy. My my brother was is a parapsychologist, and he always had books in the house that on all kinds of things, you know, all aspects of the power normal. He used to work with Han Holtzer's right hand man and their psychic. I think your name was Ethel and uh so, you know, my mother was a psychic, my aunt was a white witch. I had a cousin who was a black witch, you know what I mean. And so the paranormal in my family was just normal, and one thing led to another. I remember, man, it must have been ten years old. With all of my cousins, we all lived in the same neighborhood. It was, it was like a dozen of us. We went to the movies one Saturday at seen James Bond and something like that. And at the end of the movie they had the Patty film, Patty Giblin film, and I remember turning to my cousin Dino, and saying, man, that thing is that's real. That's no hoax, that's the real deal, you know. And you know, of course, all my cousins, you know, you know, broke my chops over it and stuff,

4:42 you know, but I just had a gut feeling from the moment I'd seen that video that that was the real deal. And then, you know, every Friday we used to have to take books out of the library to read over the weekend in school, so I was always that kid with the you know, the nest Lockness Monster, Bottable Snowman. You know, I was acute to have picked up all those books, the UFO books, the ghost books. That was me, you know, That's how it got started. I loved that Bigfoot. That's so good. Just being able to see that footage in the theater, that must have been incredible. What what a privilege to be able to see that at that point in time when they were showing that in the theaters.

5:29 Yeah, I mean on that big screen. It was great. And then you know that I was about ten at that time. Two years later, I had my first Bigfoot experience down in South Florida. That was just insane, and uh you know uh after that, I wasn't a believer. I was a knower and the rest is history, you know. Yeah, so that's interesting. So you had a you feel you had a skunk ape sighting down in South Florida. You said, oh, yeah, absolutely, I had a major siding down Florida, South Florida. Absolutely. I mean, not only was the creature walked right by our house, I mean literally right along the side of our house, but it attacked a wild horse on our development and it ripped the head off of Brama Bult too. You know what I mean.

6:24 It's it's a crazy story. And we the night it ripped the head off of the Brama Bowl, my brother in law and sister would just get home from a night out in Miami and me and my cousin Anthony were babysitting the kids and we heard some like horrific scream. We didn't know what it was, and then we heard a shotgun go off and we jumped at my brothermost cardigo, see what was going on? Long story short, We got caught behind a deputy sheriff doing a patrol and everybody was looking to the left because that's where had a spot, like, because that's what a swamp was. And the creature ran out the right and he hit it with his car. And when he hit it, I mean my brother. When the creature got back up, it walked, it limped over to this police car and it punched his police car with like a hammer punch with both hands. In the back of the car came off the ground and my cousin Anthony was sitting in the front seat and I was in the back, but I was hanging out of my brother in law's thun roof. So it was like it was right there, you know, a car lengked away from me, screaming, and the scream just goes right through you.

7:32 I mean, every every fiber in your body of vibrates and it's just it's just unreal. I mean I tell people all the time, be careful what you wish for, because the first time you see this creature up close and personal, your brain will not be able to comprehend what your eyes are saying. And that's just like a little tidbit of the experiences so much when it goes on with it. But you know, I don't know where you want to go tonight, so we'll just keep going. That's very interesting. So man, it almost makes me wonder, did you ever see if you could get like a released report about that night. I wonder if they had to write anything about, you know, a skunk cape punching out out their car window or anything at that.

8:27 Well, you know, it was crazy because that particular summer nineteen seventy four down in South Florida, there was a there was a drought and there was fires in the Everglades, and my sister lived right on the edge of the Everglades and the development called Sunshine Acres, and all the creatures were coming inland, all the animals were coming inland. And there was a lot of skunkcape reports in our area from the share of local sheriffs and state police and stuff like that, and county police. And then it started happening in our development. And when that particular incident happened, we thought for sure that the next day there would be all kinds of news reporters at our house because we were the only witnesses to it. Because the sheriff was actually coming around the far end of the development.

9:15 It was like a big square, two miles square, And when he came down and he seen the car totaled, he was like, you know what happened, and he was taken our report. He took the deputy reports and wanted to shoot it back. Then they carried the shotgun in between the two seats up front, and the deputy just of the shotgun wasn't big enough, you know. I always say the creature was about nine feet tall, maybe nine hundred pounds. I'm probably being light on his weight, but he was a big boy. He was definitely a big boy. And I always I you know, when we found out that it had ripped the head off of the Brahma Bull, I couldn't believe it because I had seen that Brahma bull up close and personal on that ble. It was like the size of a minivan. If he was twenty five hundred pounds. He was an ounced, you know, and I couldn't. I just couldn't believe this strength that this creature had. And so we thought we would give all these people come to our house. Because that night the sheriff called in the state police, Accounty Police. They came in with helicopters, they came in with horses, they came in with dogs. Nineteen seventy four, South Florida town we were in, it's called Davy, was still a cowboy town.

10:32 The biggest thing that happened in that town was the rodeo on the floor of July. Every pickup truck had three rifles in the window, you know what I mean. And they couldn't find anything, and we thought for sure we were going to be interviewed, you know, but no one ever showed up at our house. And I gave that report to the guy who ran the Skunkate Museum in Florida and a woman from the vfl Row her name was Ree Remagnalith or something like that. She was the director from Florida. She had read it and she reached out to me and she did she put together this comprehensive sightings. You know, it's on the BFR site websites called the South Florida Skunkcpe something or another. But she actually got areas shots of sunshine acres, the development and she showed where like the course rancher lived, where the cattle rancher lived, and all of this stuff. And then she at the end of my I think a woman named sevilla Erin she's an artist. Yep, she did an artist rendering of what I seen. She put that in the she put that in the report, and then she put like thirty other articles in the newspaper all that happened around that time in there. And then she went on to tell me she was like the same age I was, and her father she lived in the next town over and her father had a business. And she went to tell me that her uncle was a

12:03 police officer in the next town south of US New City. I think it was called something like that, and uh, he had he had two books, the official report and the unofficial report, and that particular time, they were getting a lot of calls for peeping tom's and when they would get out there and you know, try to sneak up on the pipa tomp, it was a skunkcap when they hit him with the flashlight and the skunkcaate would jump into the the swamp and swim away, you know. And so they had an official report and an unofficial report. And she was going to get her uncle's unofficial book on all the all the sightings that that happened, and she was going to put out a book at some point.

12:44 I don't know if she ever did, but she she she did an amazing job on my experience when she wrote it up on the BFR website, and yeah, it's just crazy. I mean, she put so much work into what I was blown away by what she did, you know, just really above and beyond the call of duty. That sounds absolutely excuse me, that sounds absolutely incredible. I'll definitely have that in the show notes because I'm seeing the link already. Okay man, this is such a wild story going back to the Brahma bull. So was that a thing where the act of like someone saw the skuncape actually ripped the head off, or it was a thing where the creature was found, and there is enough evidence where it's like, okay, this is what must have happened.

13:36 Well, now what happened? Was it was? It was It was two o'clock in the morning. It was pitch blackout, okay, and the farmer, the cattle rancher, didn't have any lights in his past year. And my brother launches. We're getting out of the car and we we were you need My brother wall had asked if there was any action and we said no, And then we heard this blood curdling scring or cry, and we didn't. No one knew what it was. It was definitely not the skunk. It we've heard the skunky at this point go off, you know in the swamp. This was not discomfort. No one knew what it was. But then right after that we seen the shotgun blast coming from the cattle ranchers farm, so we knew something had happened there, you know. And when we got there, when we actually eventually we followed the sheriff to the cattle ranches farm because he said to the sheriff you got to come see what this damn creature did to my prize bull. When we went back there and the sheriff was panning the pasture with his spotlight, the bull was just bleeding out with no head.

14:41 The head was one hundred yards away on the other side of the pasture, you know. I mean, I don't know if the cattle ranchers seen him do it, or if he just heard the scream and he came out blasting, you know what I mean. Because on our little development we had a lot of action. Like in the beginning of the story. A friend of ours who his father owned a horse ranch down the street and would take tours out in the Everglades. You know, he had this wild mustang or whatever it was from Wyoming or Montana. He had a Native American seminole trying to break this horse so he could put you put it in the corral.

15:21 He couldn't put it in the stalls because if he did, it would kick it made all the other horses nut. So he left it in the corral one night, and one night we were sitting again. It was late twelve thirty one o'clock because when brother laugh had just come home from his restaurant. He had an Italian restaurant, and he used to bring us like burnch pizzas. At the end of the night we would set up and eat burned pizzas. And we heard a blasting coming from the horse ranch as farm, and when we rent to the front of the house, we could see like a muzzle flesh of a thirty thirty going off. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb. So we jumped on our dirt bikes and rode over to the house to see where it was, because you know, it was still, you know, maybe eight blocks away from us, even though it was everything is flat, everything was close. So we rode over there, and we went over there and he told us what happened. That the skunky had snuck up on the wild mustang in the.

16:14 Corral big for Society, who would be right back after these messages. And the horse must have kicked out or something and jumped the crowd ran into the pasture. Well, the following day when we went over, the sheriff was there, everybody was there, and the whole neighborhood basically was there. And the Native American seminal Indian went rode out to the pasture to get the horse and when he brought it back, the horse had handprints in its hinds quarters. Now claw marks, handprints, like if I was to gree of you by your wrist and squeeze as hard as I could leave that indentation, That's what this horse had on its hind quarters. And that's why, you know, the Seminole Indian thought that the horse may have kicked out when he got grabbed, and that's what he jumped the corral and ran into the pasture.

17:16 And like I said, my friend's father he heard all the commotion. He came out blasting. So there was a lot of action going on in our on our little development. We were surrounded by swamps. There was a one lane bridge in and out of the development. It was. It was, you know, pretty rural at the time. That's incredible in man, when you were twelve years old, so wild to have experienced that at such a young age. From you know, you were able to see the creature a bit. It sounds like something I ask people is when you when you see the creature in some way, did you feel like you were looking more at some that was more human or maybe something that's more ape or something completely in the middle.

18:08 Well, the very very first time that I laid eyes on the creature, my cousin and I were just going to bed, and my sister had a big picture window in her sun room. It was like eight by four and we had the pull out couch. We were going to bed again. It was the wee hours. The house was surrounded in three sides by a six foot fence, but the front was opened with a circular driveway with a fountain in the middle, and there were sense of lights on all the corners, and we were laying in bed and the very first time we went by, we smell the horrible smell, and my sister had two large German shepherd canine shepherds, and they went crazy and we had to put him in a garage. And then they told us it was the skunkcape, and we didn't believe her.

18:51 We thought they would bust on our chops until we talked to our friends in the neighborhood who told us, yeah, you know, when it's hot like this, it comes around. And then a couple of days later, a couple of weeks later, it came. Was walking through our front yard and the sensal lights went on, and as it was walking. We've seen his huge shadow go across the wall in front of us, you know. And so I got out of the bed and I did like a belly crawl to the window and I pulled open the shade to see what was out there, and I seen what looked like King Kong to me standing in the driveway. It had red eyes. I don't know if it was from the sensal lights, you know, eye shine from the sens of lights, but it had red eyes, it had kN nines, and I guess it had seen its reflection in the big picture window. And it did this like incredible hulk kind of flexen scream, like almost like he was challenging another skunk ape. And when it was screaming, I thought I had seen me peeking out of the corner of the window and it was screaming at me, you know, But hindsight, being twenty twenty, was probably the reflection on the window it seen. And when it walked along the side of the house, we had an empty lot by our side of our house that had wild watermelons in it.

20:11 And as it was walking past the side of the house, my cousin and I ran into one of the bathrooms in between the kid's rooms. We left the lights off and we were watching it because as it walked past that corner, the sense of the lights went on, and we were watching it, and it was looking at us like it could see us in the dark. The windows were tinted, the screens were black. We left the light off in the vanthroom and it never took its eyes off us, like it was watching us. And at one point it stopped, reached down, grabbed the wild Watermelona took a giant bite. There was left nothing but two nubs. Dropped. The nubs walked to the back of the house. We ran to the back of the house because the visist had a screened in patio. We went into the screen and patio again. We left the lights off. As it walked past the back of the house, the sense of lights went on again again. The whole time, it's the top of its body tilted back, looking at us. Behind our house there was a man who had a man made lake. At that man made lake, it squatted down and it cupped his hands and it drank the water out of the lake. And then it got up and it walked into the swamp where we used to go horseback ride and ride our dirt bikes and have bonfires and stuff like that, and then it just started screaming once it got into the swamp, you know. And but like I said, that first time I seen it, I was behind that plate of glass that was like an eighth of an inch stick or whatever out dicker was, and it was a baby guy, I would say, no

21:43 more than twenty five thirty feet away from me, and it looked like it looked like to me, it looked like King Kong. It was huge, it was. And the way I got its height was because it was head and shoulders above that fence. And I know that fence was six feet tall to keep the dogs in, so it had to be between, you know, nine and eight nine feet tall. I would say close to the nine feet tall. And I use a rough estimate one hundred pounds per foot, so at nine feet tall, it had to be a minimum of nine hundred pounds made probably closer to fifteen I don't know. But it left eighteen inch tracks along the side of the house in the sands, and we were got My brother in law said he was going to come home from work at lunchtime and he was going to cast him, and he was going to put one on the bar in the house and one at the bar at the restaurant, you know, but the restaurant got busy. He never came home. The horse tours went by and they always rode right by our house along that empty lot, and they destroyed the tracks.

22:44 So we never did get a chance to cast them. But I seen him up close and personal, and like I said, when you see these creatures up close and personal, your brain cannot comprehend what your eyes are saying. And they just can't. That's absolutely incredible. What after that point, was it you know, all bets are off? Or was there a time in your life where you're like, you know, this bigfoot thing is cool, I'm going to get away from it for a little bit, or where you like, I got to figure out what's going on from here on out in your game. On No, after we got back from Florida that summer, because that was our like my cousin Anthony. My cousin Anthony was closer to me, like my brother. He was fifteen, I was twelve, and that was our summer vacation, and we said that was our our summer camp. It would send us down there. My brother loved being an ext marine guy. He always had chores for us to do in the morning because in the afternoon it would get you hot, and then we would just go swimming in the pool or the man made lake, or ride our dirt bikes or whatever. But you know, when I came back from Florida that year, I had like PTSD for like three years. You know, I couldn't sleep in my room at night. I would sleep as far away. My father was a carpenter, and what he did was he turned a front porch into a bedroom. So the bedroom was maybe ten feet long and six feet wide, and I had and the only window he had at his

24:15 corporer shop was like a front window for for like you know, a house. It had a big picture wind in the front with two little winds on the side. So I always used to think that that thing was going to reach in because his arms were so long, you know, and I used to think it was going to come to New York reaching that glass window and pull me out and take me away. And for three years it was it was a rough three years at night, you know. Then you know, at that passed and then you know, I got into girls and cars and stuff like that, motorcycles, and I kind of forgot about it for a long time. And then I started hanging out with a bunch of guys at work when I started working at the post office, and we started going out doing paranormal investigations, you know, and one thing led to another, and you know, we always believed the guys I put together after my brother said to me at one point, you know, it's great that you go out with your friends and the post office, but you should put a real team together. And I was a member of a group called the New York the Roundtable, the UFO Roundtable in Yonkers, and so I got all the guys from the Roundtable that were interested in it, and I put a team together and called it the Bronxville Paranormal Society because originally everybody that was on the team either worked with me at the post office in Bronxville or lived in Bronxville, so that was our name. But then we

25:48 but we all believed that everything was connected, you know, we believed that it was all connected. Ghosts, UFOs, bigfoots, all of that stuff. We all had the same mindset, and that's how that led us out going out and finding, you know, these locations here in New York that are squatchy, and then researching those locations and having activity. And you know, I got five different locations. I work in three different counties, and I got one site called the Sacred Site that's never failed me. No, whenever I've gone there, I've always had experiences. And stuff is really really getting crazy now because I started getting telepathic communications with them now. I had an ascension two years ago and I guess it raised my vibration in frequency, and so I'm having I'm having these telepaths. But it's not just me having the telepaths Commission. It's Chris Reinhart in Connecticut from Discovery Sasquatch, and it's my psychic down in Arkansas. We're all seeing the same Sasquatch. We're all interacting with the same Satsquatch in three different states, you know, hundreds of miles apart.

27:05 And it's just getting crazy. Now. Can you describe the Sasquatch that you're all seeing in your when you when you see that, Yeah. He actually came to me. When he came to me in a in a dream state. He told me his name was Alaric capital a l I dash capital ri e K. And he was a shaman. He was a king shaman, that's what he told me. And he was a healer, and he was the eldest statesman of my clan that I'm dealing with at the Sacred Site. And he showed himself to me. Two three years earlier. I had seen a white sasquatch on the parkway, but I was told I wasn't ready at that time when we locked eyes, you know. And he's he's massive, just absolutely ten twelve feet tall, two thousand pounds. He's a beast.

28:07 He demands respect. When I had when I was when I was in his presence, I felt like I was in the presence of Royalty. My psychic in Arkansas, I've been using forever and she's never been blocked by anything. He's gone to her and told her that she's not going to be able to foresee anything at the Sacred Site when we go to do our investigations, because it's just for me and Chris. And Chris was actually in deep meditation one day and he's seen a white sasquatch looking at him through the woods and it shook him and it knocked him out of his meditation. When I asked him what shook him, he wasn't being truthful to me.

28:53 He goes, oh, it's just good. It was white. But I had a feeling he wasn't telling me everything, you know. And when I talked to my psychic in Arkansas, who does not know Chris from doesn't know you know, who Chris exists, she needed decide. The sasquatch told her that she needed to start mentoring Chris psychically. So now she's mentoring Chris to develop this psychcause Chris was just like a flesh and blood guy. He didn't do anything paranormal wise, but he had an experience down in a green swamp and he brought something dark home with him and I had to call some people I knew on the paranormal side to cleanse his house and seal it, you know.

29:38 So this sasquatch told her she needed to start mentioning mentoring Chris. And when she called me up and she's like, who's Chris Reinhardt And why am I supposed to mentor him? And I'm like, how do you know Chris? You know? And she said, this giant white sasquatch came to me and told me that he was a you know, a king shaman and YadA YadA, and I was like okay, and he told her that, you know, don't try to foresee what's going to happen at the Sacred Site because he's going to block her and she won't be able to see. And we did go out recently and she was blocked. She couldn't see anything. You know, She's like, he's got me blocked. I can't see nothing.

30:22 Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages, you know, because. She usually well, well we'll look in at the situation. It's to do like a remote view kind of thing, you know, and see what's going to happen, maybe ahead of time. But she couldn't see anything. It's very crazy, just absolutely crazy. And then I had another experience with a difference ass which a female who told me her name was highen nets capital h y and h h y kaya h y capital n e t h high net h y a h high net Eka capital h y a h n e t h And she told me that she was excited that I was going back to the Sacred site after two years because I was researching at other locations, and she was excited, and her clan was excited because she's the alpha male to me Chris Reinhardt, because they heard wonderful things about him. And I was like freaking out, was like, what is what is this real? Like this dream real? And I called not only my psychic but other people I know who

31:54 are connected to these creatures are people I should call them psychically and a both of everyone's told me, yet this is really happening, This is really going on, and you know, you guys are going to have some amazing experiences when you go out because Chris is coming down here and I'm going up to his location in the Berkshire Mountains, that's what he researches, and you know, and apparently this allarek is going to come down and introduce himself to us and tell us what we're supposed to be doing or what he wants us to do. And it's just absolutely insane. Like when my psyche told me that she had the same vision to Chris, and then I asked her, I said, was there anything strange about him?

32:42 And she said, the only really strange thing about him is that he's got these fire ball red eyes she goes, but don't be scared, because he's not scary, it's just who he is. And the one I seen on the parkway had the same fireball red eyes. So then when I spoke to Chris one day and I said, what was it about that thing that freaked you out? What was it? Like, you know, just you know, was there something strange about him? And he goes no, And he goes, was there something strange about the one you've seen? And I said, yes, the one I seen had these fireball red eyes. And then Chris was like, okay, I got to come clean. Yeah, the one I seen had fireball red eyes. That's what knocked me out of my meditation.

33:23 So we're all seeing the same guy, you know what I mean. And it's just it's just crazy that, like his Saskquatches are communicating with my Saskquatches, telling him because he's had psychic even though he doesn't believe in the psychic ability, like he doesn't not that he doesn't believe it. He questions all of his experiences, you know, because he's always been a flesh and blood kind of guy. And I told him, I said, Crystal, longer you do this. The stranger it's going to get and you're not going to be that flesh and blood guy for long because things are going to get weird. And things have really gotten. He started having telepath communications way before I did you know.

34:05 And apparently Alarek is connected to me, him and my psychic in Arkansas. So it's absolutely insane what's going on up here. That is extremely intense and just a huge group of synchronicities for sure between you know, Alarek and high Eness and that's wild. And I wanted to ask you, you know, about the New York State Sasquatch Organization. I'm sure most listeners are where how large a state New York is? I was just curious, how are you, you know, narrowing down what area to go to for your research areas?

34:46 Is there a you know, certain location that you try to focus on or anything like that. Well, I'm at the southern tier the Catskill Mountain Range, and the Catskill Mountain Range by itself is like five hundred thousand acres, okay, and then you have the Adironducks about three hours two and a half hours north to me, which are like six million acres. But what the way I do it is I get pulled. I get pulled to locations like something will say you gotta go here, you gotta go here, like I'm just being pulled there. And then when I go there, and I really don't know what I'm looking for, but I'm looking, you know, And then I start to see all kinds of sign arches and cks and bends and brakes and twists, and the little rock carrings that they make. You know, it's carvings that they build. I start seeing signs. And once I start seeing signs and I know I'm in a I'm in a good location, then I'll go back and I'll start doing what we do. We have a couple of different things we do to try to make contact with them or to bring them in, you know what I mean. So we we play. We play with Tibetan singing balls, frequencies, you know, we try to bring them in that way Native American drum music or flute music.

36:17 We'll bring them in. I liked Gwen Iver. I go out to do an investigation. I always go day night, and I always go old school new school, so you know, I know a lot of guys just throw all high tech stuff. Sometimes those high tech stuff the batteries die, they don't work, and you need that old school stuff to really bring everything together, you know. And so I go out day night. I know a lot of investigators or researchers that only go out during the day, and I tell them, you're only getting about ten percent of the activity you could be getting because these fast squashed people are nocturnal. They hunt at night, they move at night, and you could get so much more. But I understand it's scary to be four miles in the woods, deep in the woods, not being able to run out if you had to because you're off trail, and you know, they fit people afraid. They're just afraid to be out there being and vulnerable like that. But I don't go out with any subconscious fear in my head. And my psychic reads everybody who comes out with me. And if there's anybody on the group that's coming out with me and they have subconscious fear, they stay behind, they're not allowed to come. And so I never go out. I'm never afraid when I go out. I'm always looking for not that I know what to expect. I mean, look, even if my psychic tells you what I'm going to expect.

37:48 Sometimes the stuff she says is so off the charts, you know. I got to laugh at her. And she's the real deal, you know what I mean. Being from New York, I didn't believe in psychics for years until I met this woman. She's Native American, she's fifth generation. She's I tested her, she taught me every time I tested her. She's done stuff that absolutely blows my mind. Chris is dealing with her now. And Chris calls me every day. He's like, you're not gonna believe what Cindy said. Now, I can't believe. How does she know this? And I say, she just does. Man, I told you, she just does, you know. And so I don't bring anybody out with me who has any subconscious fear because I don't want anything because and I tell people all the time, especially squatches, guys who go in the woods, look protect yourself not only physically but spiritually, because there is so much stuff in the woods that you don't know what you're going to run across, So you have to protect yourself spiritually.

38:48 That was the problem with Chris when he went to the Green Swamp in Florida. He protected himself physically, but he wasn't thinking, you know, paranormal wise, spiritually, any something dark attached to him, and he brought it home to Connecticut, you know. And thank god I had friends who lived not too far from him who were able to take care of it, you know. But you have to protect yourself spiritually. Now. Listen, Halloween is coming. They're going to have all those haunted attractions and cemetery tours. Protect yourself before you go into those attractions. Those attractions are attracting dark energy. Those I can't tell you how many people I know that have done a cemetery tour and had something come back dark attached to him. Protect yourself spiritually before you go on those tours, before you go in those haunted houses, before you go in those hay rides, protect yourself spiritually. And if you're going out squashing, protect yourself spiritually and physically. I don't allow anybody to carry firearms when I go out, because I don't trust anybody would have gunn but me. And if I'm not carrying one, you're not carrying one. But we do go out with eighteen inch machetes and ten inch survival knives and pepper spray and stuff like that. You know, I've never I've been bluff charged, but not by a sassquatch, by a dog men, but that's a different story. But I've never had anything bad happen to me at any of my locations.

40:21 And I've been going to the Sacred Site for ever and I've never had anything bad happen to me there, you know. So I'm very confident when I'm at my locations and I'm dealing with my group of my clan that I'm okay, you know what I mean, I don't have to worry about anything messing with me at that point. That is, you know, absolutely true. You know, when you get involved with with certain things, you want to be aware of what you are getting into and how it can affect you, but also your home, your family, and you have to be very careful about how you position yourself with certain things. Had a weird question come into my mind. Now it may not hit or anything, but have you ever gone to look at do you know, Catskill Game Farm?

41:21 Absolutely been there a million times. Anything weird going on. I know it's an abandoned property now right. Yeah, but they've they've they've redone it up, they've fixed it up to go to Airbnb. Okay, yeah, So. I will tell you an experience we had at the Catskill game Farm when my children were young, we took them up there. We were up with the Catskills. There's a water park up there we used to go to, and the game farm wasn't far from the water park. We were walking into the park one day and the lines, the lines cage or the lines facility was got It had to be a quarter mile away, and it was down in a like a ditch, like a gully, right, and there was one line that was just going off.

42:13 You the growls, and with this line was doing, every other animal in the game farm was losing its mind. They were freaking out. It was so scary that as we were walking towards it, because I mean, I want to see the lion doing this, right, I'm all excited, like, oh my god, this is crazy. You know. It's so deep and it's so powerful, and we're so far away, but yet you can feel its energy like go through you, you know. And this thing is down in a gully like fifty feet below us, and it's coming up and going out. We got about one hundred yards away from fifty yards away, and my wife and kids refuse to go any further, you know, But I went right down to it to see and this lion, and I'm thinking, here's this lion that's maybe you know, five hundred pounds doing this, and it's got every animal in the game from going nuts. And the vibe, the infrasound that was going through me, vibrating my body was terrifying, just terrifying.

43:23 And I knew what it was and I could see it doing it, and it was still you know, I was well protected, as no way he could have jumped up out of that ditch to get me. So you can't imagine when a sasquatch goes off in the middle of the woods and you're there to feel it. I can't emphasize enough the power they have that goes right through you. It's like getting hit with a shock wave from a bomb, you know what I mean. It's unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. But I haven't heard anything like haunted at the cast Bill Game Farm, you know, I never heard anything like that. There are other locations up there, like some old abandoned Wild West villages that were like back in the sixties and stuff seventies, or like wild West attractions that I heard are bandoned, but I haven't heard anything about the game farm itself.

44:20 That's that's such an interesting story with that that lion, just just that very cool anecdotal story. Al Santa Rica, the Squatch Father, I would love to talk to you a little bit about dog Man. So you're not only just in the Bigfoot, but you're also looking into dog Man in the state of New York. Can you tell tell my listeners, like, what is going on with dog Man in your state? Well, I mean it's not just my state, it's every state. If you have sasquatch, you have dog men. Okay, there's no doubt in my mind about that. At one of my locations, I go to the sasquatch is on the east side of the Rent, the Mountain Range, and the dog men, no, the sass which are on the west side of the mountain Range, I'm sorry, And the dog men are on the east side of the mountain Range.

45:17 And they're everywhere. They're not just here in New York. They're they're wherever you have sasquatch, Wherever you have these large national forests, you'll find these creatures. I mean, we've we've had we've actually taken reports of them being at Central Park in New York City being spotted, you know what I mean. So they're not just in the woods, They're they're in the cities too. Yeah. No, Like I said this, what happened was originally when we were getting invited to symposiums, we were going as the Bronxville para normal society because you know, we did everything. We were getting a lot of grief from like the ethologists.

46:00 So big for society, who would be right back after these messages, what. Is the ghost hunters know about UFOs or what the cryptid people would say? What is a you know, you ghost hunders know about cryptids? So we just took the VPS team and we split it up into different groups when we go to these symposiums. Now we could hang our banner that says if we're at a UFO conference, like every year up here in May, they have the Pine Bush UFO Fair. Pine Bush is supposed to be the UFO capital of New York State. We go there, we get invited every year we go there. We were actually on the board at one point. We go there every year and we put up all of our UFO banners you know what I mean. And now nobody gets us any grief because you don't have to deal with like the move On people and stuff like that, you know, because if you're not part of move On, they they don't they look at you cock guide, you know what I mean. So I am part of move On, so I get invited anyway, you know. But even if I go as the New York State UFO Project, I don't I don't catch any grief. And that's how all the all the groups actually got started, you know what I mean.

47:26 We said, you know, we don't win, didn't come here to fight with anybody. Let's let's make everybody happy, and we'll have the same team to give it different labels, different parts of the you know, one of one unit. And so we when we did the dog Man stuff, we came up with the dog Man the New York CTY dog Man Project. We were actually before we started the New York State dog Man Project, we were like Miami Partner, Brian, we were National North American dog Man Project, New York State Chapter Directors. That's what our title was, Okay, And then there was an issue with somebody on the NADP and and US I'm not actually my partner, and so we decided to just walk away from that start our own group. We ended up with the New York State dog Man Project, but eventually that guy left, and you know, Jody Cook, who's the founder of it, asked us to come back and be directors. As a matter of fact, I know they want me to be the regional director, the Eastern regional director, but I really don't have time to be the region I barely have enough time to be the state director, never mind the whole reagion, you know. But so we started our own thing, and

48:58 we knew we we had experienced dog managed a couple of different locations, and we knew where they were. And you know, if we knew, if we went to certain locations, like long story short, we found a den and in the den, right we I was being pulled into the woods. To know why being pulled into the woods? Long story short, We find the den and we zoom into the den with one of my camera guy has like this camera that you can see the alien bases on the moon, and he zooms into the den and there's a giant canine head like a wolfhead, facing south and right next to that is another one that looks like a hyena snarling at us. Okay, And we were actually at that location once before where we were bluff charged, and at that point we were bluff charged. We thought we were being bluff charged by a bigfoot because the bigfoot came out and did three whoops, and then it did tree knocks and I did tree knocks, and they did rock knocks, and then eventually it threw a rock at us the size of a bowling ball that came down over the trees and landed in between all three of us, and hindsight being twenty twenty, it was trying to get us

50:30 out of that location because we were in a danger zone. You know. We didn't know that the dog Man's den was behind us in the swamp. We were up on a high ridge and it was trying to get us out of there, but we I was very stubborn that night. I wouldn't leave. And eventually the bigfoot backed away and the dog man bluff chargedes came charging up the ridge after us, and we pulled out our machetes and we stood our grounds and we heard it come charging up like a quadruped, charging up the ridge. But it never came over. It was like a little stone three foot stone wall never came over the stone wall. We thought it the whole time. We thought it was the Bigfoot.

51:12 Months later, we put all our evidence out on our pages, on our YouTube page and on our Facebook page. And actually somebody from I think it was from California called me up and said, you know, in that one photograph you took of that stone wall, and I was like, yeah, he says, there's a dog man in that photograph. And I was like, send me the picture. He sends me the picture. I thought it was photoshopped. Right I look at it. I take my SD card out of my camera, I put it in my computer and right there, I mean, I don't know how we didn't see it, but there it is. And I believe it's the one that looked like the hyena that was standing behind the wall sniffing us.

51:52 And you could see its nose and it's got a square mug and it snout and it's got pointed ears, and you can see it's eyes shine from the flesh of the camera. And then that same guy sent me another He called me up again and he said, hey, al, you know you got a big foot in that picture of you guys at the meadow, which we had moved out of that location at one point and moved to another location. We were doing three different one two, three different locations that night, and he said, you know, you got a big foot underneath the tree at the meadow. And I was like, what are you talking about? And he sent it to me again. I thought it was photoshopped, and again I put the SD card in there, and there, you know, in the shadows of the of the photo, underneath this one little red oak up maple tree, the only tree that has leaves on it, right is this giant sasquatch head. And you can see it's like leaning on its belly and it's on its fore arms and it's watching us. Now. I don't know if it was watching us because what we were doing. There was a lot of stuff going on in the meadle, and it's way too much to get into now, But if it was watching us because of all the activity we had going on, or if it was just hanging around to make sure those two dogmen come out of that then and shred us, you know, But I think that I think the reason why that one dog man chose not to come over over that wall was because all three

53:23 of us did have eighteen inch machetes, you know what I mean. And uh, I believe the dog man in the big Foot as well, respect the long blade more than the gun, you know, because they've been on this planet for a millennium, they've probably dealt with men for thousands of years and seeing what swords and spears and long knives can do to each other to them as well, you know. So yeah, I think I think it was those long blades that stopped. And I think it was because we were set up in like a triangle formation and with me at the front. And I got to be brutally honest with you when I heard this thing coming up the ridge and that you could hear the bipedal because it was in again, it was in the fall and there was a lot of leaflet and you could hear all four legs hitting the ground jump running coming up. I thought, not that I thought it was the Bigfoot charging us. I thought it was either a black bear or a mountain lion. And I said, oh my god, this mountain lion is going to come over this wall, and I'm going to be the first person that sees I'm going to have to sacrifice my left arm and stab it with my machete, you know what I mean. And but nothing came over the wall. But the crazy thing is we never heard it leave either, you know, as loud as it was coming up the ridge, it never made it sound leaving. So I don't know where it went. But that's how long. It's another experience that goes on. That's a long experience. Had so much

54:54 stuff involved in that one. If I tell you everything that what happened on that night, it would blow your mind. Oh absolutely. And it's crazy because you kinda there's a place I was wanting to go, and you kind of already went there a little bit. So I'm excited you already did. But let me preface this question a little bit. So there's a podcast I love called Cryptis of the Corn and they have an episode about dog Man, but it's specifically down in Kentucky and it's not all about dogmen, but it talks about how the potentiality that dog Man could be a misidentified North American hyena. And you kind of brought up that what you saw looked like a hyena in that sighting. Do you have any thoughts like do you think there could be a correlation there, or if you think dog man is another thing entirely, what do you think this creature is?

55:53 I personally, I believe there are a couple of different misidentifications. I believe there is a creature that is wolf like that can go bipedal, that is flesh and blood. I believe it's I don't know where it's from or how it got here, but I believe there is a flesh and blood creature all of the world around psychics that I have met over the years at all the symposiums. Whenever I get to sit down at a table one of these psychics, I have to pick their brains. And one of the first questions I always ask them is what's your opinion on a dog man? And they always tell me interdimensional being. That's what they tell me, interdimensional being. Now, I believe there are dog men that are interdimensional beings.

56:48 But then there are people who say that dog men come in their house and this and that the other thing. And I think the creatures that they're seeing that are actually coming into these people's homes and scaring them and threatening them, and are demonic creatures that are using their fear of the dog Man to get that adrenaline, you know what I mean. That's the rush from them, the feed off of that fear, you know what I mean. I don't believe that even if the dog Man is interdimensional and it can go from our dimension to another realm, I don't think necessarily it's using that ability to pop in and out of people's homes. You know, I've heard too many stories with Hey, we just ripped the door off of hinges and shred everybody in the house. They're not popping in and out, you know. Now. I know I've interviewed, I've talked to people who have killed these creatures, you know what I mean. So they can be killed, and I've talked to people who have shot them multiple times.

57:59 All of them follow them, follow the blood trail to a certain point, and it just disappears. Those little ones I think that are inter dimensional, they go back to their dimension heel, and the ones that they actually that are killed here I believe are flesh and blood creatures. So I think there's three variants of them as far as like flesh and blood, interdimensional and demonic creatures that may resemble dog Man, but you know, demonic creature can resemble whatever your biggest fear is. Not the first I have heard the interdimensional way of looking at that creature from. It was Jody Cook. We talked years ago and he had some some very interesting thoughts about these could be alien creatures coming from different worlds and trained by the government, et cetera. And it was just really eye opening for sure. But you know, has there been a time when let's say you've been out involved with looking for Dogmen around dog Man Expedition and things have just got very intense and you were like, you know, I would much rather not be in this situation right now.

59:15 Well, there was a time when we were we were actually we went out one night to do, uh, there's a there's an abandoned asylum here in New York State called Letchwork Village. Okay, it's it's a whole village that's basically abandoned, but it was it was it was an asylum and it was a hospital, and we were investigating hospital. One time we ran into a security guard and security guard said you have to go to the cemetery. The cemetery is really weird and that they had seen like these light orbs light like tubes of light come out of the ground, you know. And they said, you guys would love you got to go there and investigate it.

1:00:01 So we said, okay, we'll go investigate it. So one fall, my partner and I, Brian, we went, really guys on a team. I never had everybody on a team go to any investigation completely, or someone's always working or going to a wedding or something like that. So Brian and I go out and now this particular cemetery not like any cemetery you've ever seen in your life, and there's no signs for it. I thought we were going to a city cemetery where you could drive right up to the plot, you know what I mean. I've investigated a ton of cemeteries in New York and you usually can drive through them. But we pull into this location. It's in it's just a like a dirt parking lot. We pull in there and we go in and the cemetery there's a giant, giant stone, you know, monument to all the people who are buried there with their names on it because there are no headstones.

1:00:57 There, big for a society who will be right after these messages. There were just crosses with numbers on it, okay. And it's built on a hill, so all the crosses go up the hill and it's in the middle of the woods. I mean, we had to walk like a quarter mile into the woods to find this place, you know. And we were actually had something attached to me there, because Brian was like, what's wrong with you? And I'm like, you know, I'm in denial. I'm saying like, there's nothing wrong with me, but I felt that there was something attached to me, you know. And he's telling me, Oh, you don't sound like you. You don't look like you. You're not acting. And I'm like, well, what hell am I acting? Like? Oh?

1:01:57 Am I talking like? You know? But I had known, yeah, I was in denial, and he knew I wasn't denial. But so we were doing a day night and we went there and we did all our stuff, all our testing during the day and there was a must have been like a dog kettle in the neighborhood because there were dogs were just going off and off and off. And I did a tree knock. I don't know why I did a tree knock, but I did a tree knock. And when I did a tree knock, the dogs all went silent, so we so we may know that that said very interesting, you know, we started noticing again. It's a location where we've been there for hours, walking around, and it felt like we had blinders on, like we should be seeing more of but we're not seeing anything.

1:02:43 But after that tree knock, it's like the blinders were removed and now we're seeing x'es and arches and bends and brakes and twister and we're thinking, wow, this is really crazy. You know, this this could be a hot location for Bigfoot being But we're in the middle of US city, you know, but these woods. The city's built around these woods. So as we're walking out of the woods, I'm being pulled to my left. I don't know why I'm being pulled to my left, so I go. I said, bride, come this way. We're walking. We're walking, we're walking, and we're walking across this rocky terrain. I mean, you couldn't You couldn't run across this terrain if you tried, if you went down, you were breaking your knee, your head or whatever. You had to be very careful. And we came across this tree and the only way I could describe it is it looked like this giant oak tree, what other trees, long trees, sixty foot trees jammed up into it, okay, And it went around in a circle like a carousel. And to me, it kind of looked like an umbrella without any skin on it, you know, that was opened. And we're looking at this thing, and the trees that are jammed into the main tree are so big. I mean, there have to be a foot and a half in diameter. There's sixty people. But the crazy thing about it is they're not touching the ground.

1:04:12 They're like nine feet in the air. And we're thinking, what had the strength to do this and still have these up nine feet in the air. They're not even hitting the ground, you know. And then Brian started getting pulled deeper into the woods and I stopped and I said, Bryan stopped. I feel like we're being pulled into a trap. We're in a really, really bad place. We can't barely walk on all these rocks, you know. Never mind trying to run out of here. Let's back out of here and come back later. So we backed out and come back later. A lot of crazy stuff happened that night while we were there, but as we were leaving, we had to park the jeep across the street. There was one street light on this whole block, and it was by the entrance of a hiking trail, and I had a jeep, so like, I didn't know if I could park on the road. There was no cars parked on the street. There was no cars parked in the dirt parking lot, so I didn't want to park there and let everybody know that there were people in the cemetery.

1:05:19 So I parked underneath this street light. I got my jeep up off the road onto the dirt, and I parked underneath the street light, right next to this hiking trail. And we went in. Okay, and we're having all these experience and again the dogs and I'm walking with my camera recording and the dogs are all going off and then you hear this one dog or you know, at the time, we thought it was a dog. Okay, it did something I don't know if you want to call it a bark or a growl or whatever it was, but it was so much louder and powerful than any of the other dogs. Just turned around and we look at each other like we know what that is, and all the dogs stop barking at that point, and the guy really quiet and it came right from the direction where my jeep was parked. Okay, so now we're leaving us.

1:06:16 We're leaving the cemetery of all the evidence. We're leaving. We got our headlamps on. Christ we're walking out. It's in the dark, and we get to the edge of the road. It's a two lane road, and my jeep is parked underneath the head the lamp, the street lamp, the street light. And as we're starting to walk in front the street, I see eyeshine behind my jeep. But it's not like something small. It's like it looks like it's six feet tall. What's ever behind my jeep? So I stopped, Brian, I go wait, stop, I said, what's that? And he looks and he sees the eye shine and it's amber eye shine, and it's looking at us, and we're looking at it, and you know, and we're debating, trying to be you know, logic, wasn't a deer. If it is, it's a big buck, you know. I was like, man, I thing is like the size of marmor duke. You know, look at the side of that thing, you know. And I'm like, now, we don't have any weapons on us because we were what we were going to a regular cemetery in the city. So all I got on me are two cans of pepper spray, you know, And so I gave one to Brian want to and I had one on my big And as we're walking closer to it, I said, well, if if it's a deer, the closer we get to it, it'll jump off a run away.

1:07:33 But the closer we're getting to now we're in like in the middle of the road, and I'm getting the really really bad vibes, like this is not good. And I turned to Brian. I said, Brian, this is not no deer. You know. I didn't use that language and a little profanity. I said, this isn't any deer because whatever this thing is, it's not run I said, whatever this thing is, it's hunting that trail. Now, if it's hunting that trail, and it's six feet tall, because the eyeshine is about as high as I am, six feet tall, either it's standing straight up or it's something sitting on its haunches. And if it's something sitting on its haunches.

1:08:18 How tall is it when it stands up? And I told Brian, I said, either this thing and neither one of us wanted to use the D word, right, I said, either this thing is hunting that trail because deer use it to go back and forth across the road and it's a good hunt, a good ambushment, or it's hunting that trail because it thinks some idiot it's parked here jogging this trail at night and we're easy prey, you know what I mean. And Brian's like, I don't know, Alison. We'll just keep going and maybe it'll it'll run off. And as we get closer and closer, my Spidey sense is tingle in and I'm like, dude, I don't like this.

1:09:04 I feel vulnerable. This is no good this, that and the other thing. And then Brian says I have to piss, and I was like, well, you're not pissing here. Get in the jeep and I'll pull on the other side of the road and you can piss in the empty lot across the street. Because I don't know what this thing is and it's not leaving, you know what I mean. It hasn't moved. He's like, no, I have to go right now. If I don't go right now, I'm going to pee in your cars. Ah, You're not going to pee in my car, so you better go. So he steps out behind the car a couple of feet. I'm throwing my all our equipment into the back of my jeep, never taking my eyes off of this thing, because I am getting such bad vibes that we are in harm's way.

1:09:55 And we both know. We just both know we're dealing with a dog man here and where, and he's peen and he's doing this piss that goes on for like three hours, and I'm screaming and cursing, Adam, get in the f and call Brian or I'll leave you. And he's like, you're not gonna leave me? What would you tell my wife and kids? Haha? And I'm like, dude, get in the car, because I swear to God, I feel like it's disting explodes out of his woods. Not only is he a dead man because he's got his back to it, but I'm a dead man. The only thing I got between me and him is my jeep door. So eventually this creature goes dark. Now I don't know if it closed its eyes or if he shut off the light and its eyes. I don't know what it did, but every fiber of my being was telling me that it had dropped down to its belly, and it was belly crawling towards Brian. I jumped in the jeep, and I backed the jeep up as close as I can to him without hitting him or the tree. And I swing my passenger inside door open to put it in between him and this creature, because that's the only thing that is going to stop this creature from grabbing him and ripping him to shreds at that door. And at some point during his twenty minute piss, he got the goosebumps from head to tell that he was an arm's way,

1:11:26 and he said, okay, now it's time to go, and he jumped in that truck and I did a dukes of Hazard three six the added air, and I got couldn't get out of the air fast enough, kicking up dirt. And I don't know how close we came to be killed that night, but I'm going to say we came pretty damn close, considering we didn't have any weapons to defend ourselves. That's intense man. That could have ended a whole different way. Wow. Yeah, Yeah. The scariest thing is that you said, it's it's in the middle of a cy like a city town. Whexpected. It's like a little like a little little neighborhood built right across the street. But like I said, you can't see the neighborhood from the cemetery because you're still a quarter mile away in the woods, you know, and there's nothing but woods around you, you know. And yeah, and I think it was that dog Man that made that structure, because I had never seen anything like quite like that in my life. And it was just the most craziest looking structure you've ever seen. It really wasn't I believe, And this is just one man's opinion. I believe that dog Man has seen that jeep and said, oh, easy price.

1:12:45 Someone is hiking this trail and it's at night, and he said, I'm just going to sit here for whoever this idiot is come to come running down the trail, and I'm going to grab him dragon away and no one will ever find them. But we didn't come down the trail, We didn't go up the trail. We came from across the street and its eyeshine gave it away, you know, because you couldn't see it in the book, even though it was the fall. It blended into the to the shrubs and everything. You couldn't see it. And I'm telling you when I when anything went dark and I could no longer see its ours, every alarm in my brain was going off. Time to leave, time to leave. I couldn't get Brian to get in the car. I just wanted to put that road in my car between him and that creature while he went and urinated, you know what I mean. But he wouldn't. He said, he couldn't make it across the street. How long was it going to take us to get across the street? Five seconds?

1:13:42 Ten seconds? He couldn't make it, he said. And I was like, dude, you're going to get us both, you know. Oh man, that's been terrible. It's something you had mentioned in passing earlier. Is you mentioned that someone has actually taken down a dog man before? Is that anything you need? You have any more info about. One group or a bunch of you know, people you know, like outdoorn people, you know what I mean, people who hunt for a living and stuff like that. And uh, you know, they took it down and then they buried.

1:14:25 They put the bodies in ditches and burnt them so there was no evidence of them. Because the government is watching these creatures. I had a how do I put this? I had men in black experience over my dog man investigations. I wasn't necessarily guys in black, but they looked like special ops guys, you know what I mean. And they knew everything about me and Brian and our groups and every and we held two meetings, one downstate, one upstate, and everything about everything. And it threatened me with stuff that was so vile that I was like, listen, keep me out of woods. For two years. You know. I didn't go back in the woods. But they do monitor these creatures, you know. And so yeah, I mean just the second group were Native Americans that I know. There's an Iroquois museum not far from my house, and whenever I get the opportunity to go there, I like to go there and do a tour. And you know, they know me. Now I've picked enough brains and I go to their and I talk to the elders and I picked their brains about stuff. And whenever there's whenever the tribes in this area have powwows, they have two or three of them in this area, I go to all three again. I try to sit down with the elders

1:15:57 and the shamans and pick their brains. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. I've been to enough room now that they know who I am, you know what I mean. So they tell me stuff, and uh, one of the ones that were that told me about them killing the dogmen were the Native Americans. They said they killed them and they buried them in the with the sacred cemeteries, you know, their sacred sites, you know, so they just buried them with Yeah that's incredible. But yeah, yeah, So I mean, you know, like I said that the ones that are flesh and blood can be killed, and I and honestly personally, I believe the ones that are even into dimension, you know, when they're here in our dimension, they're flesh and bud and they can be killed as well, you know what I mean. So the only thing you really can kill are the ones that are demons that are looked disguising themselves as a dougment. But the other two I believe could both be killed and like I said, now, both both groups, the guys I know, the hunters that I know that kill them at their hunting lodge up in

1:17:30 the Adirondecks, you know what I mean, they buried them on their property and the Native Americans on the on the on their reservation. You know, both groups, the ones that was they burned and buried the bones. Because no one wants to deal with any concussions from the government, you know. So I don't know what the government has to do with these creatures or what they're you know, what's going on, why they're honoring them, or what they're monitoring. But you know, no one, no one wants to deal with the government when it comes to this stuff because, believe me, they don't play games. They they they don't play games. When I when I was had my experience, I felt like I was going to get whacked that day.

1:18:24 I said, Oh, these guys are going to whack me. Just leave me here slunched over my car, you know, never mind all the wild stuff they were telling me that they were going to do to me. If I's day at our. Woods, did they show up at your house? No? But they they followed, They followed me for about two weeks. Every day they would just it was like they would fall out of the sky in the middle of the park when it would be behind me every day and it didn't matter what time I left to go to work or what time I left work to come home. I don't know if they were tracking me. There was a certain location that every time I passed it, two minutes later they were behind me. I don't know where they came from. They just boomed. They were behind me, you know. And so I don't know if they were tracking my car or what because I was trying to bury my time for going to work. Day would go four o'clock, five o'clock, six o'clock, and it didn't matter no matter what time I went past that one exit, boom, two minutes later they were there, and they would follow me for a couple exits, and then they would get off just to remind me that they were still watching me, you know. So wow, and the same thing coming home.

1:19:34 It didn't matter if I worked eight hours, ten hours, and twelve hours. Whenever I came home, so as I passed that exit, boo, there they were just fall out of the sky. Never even see them come on and get on the park We all all of a sudden, they were right behind me, just like they fall out of the sky. What you're saying. It eventually came to a head where there was a confrontation and they were actually stay out of the woods. The very first time they pulled me over. They pulled me over. There's an abandoned ski lodge up here off the parkway that I drive through and I drive on and it has this giant parking lot. You know, you would imagine a big parking lot for ski lodge, right, And they had a lot of like construction material and dirt and rocks and stuff. And one day I was driving home. It's just cruising up the parkway, chilling, you know, listening to some Leonards dinner, just minding my own business.

1:20:31 When this car pulls up behind me, falls out of the sky and it's up here. The state police have blue and gold cars and the park police have white and green cars. Will I see this park police car pull up behind me, put its lights on and tell me over the loudspeaker to pull into the abandoned you know, get the ski resort. So I pull in. I know I'm not speeding, I'm just cruising, you know what I mean. And I pull in and he tell me go behind that big pile of rocks, you know, like gravel. I go behind it, which didn't ring. Didn't feel right to me to go behind it like and so no one could see me back there, you know. And then I get back there and they again on the loudspeaker, they say, shut the car off, take the keys out, throw it on the floor of the passenger side, leave you see built on and put your hands on the steering wheel.

1:21:25 Roll down the way this So I do what they're saying because I don't want to get shot, you know what I mean. I don't know what these guys are, these cors. I'm assuming they're regular cops, you know. And then they get out of the car, and both of these guys look like Arnold Schwartzenegger, you know what I mean. And and if the one guy pulls out a little black book and he says reading off of all this stuff about me, and he's screaming at me. You know, you think you know what, you know what you're dealing with. You have no clue what you're dealing with. Stay out of long Woods. And I was actually researching a certain location at that time because I had just seen a dog man at that location, you know, so I was researching that area. And then the other guy started screaming and their boat screaming at me from both sides of the car. But neither one of them came close enough to put their hands on the car. So if they put their hands on the roof, maybe I get their fingerprints, you know. And then I said, well, let me see some ID, because you guys are in playing clothes. Guy goes, you want to see ID. I go, you know, I want to see ID. He showed me his gun. He was my ID. I said, okay, that's good. That's good enough for me, you know. And then the other guy actually pulled out a badge, but it was like the bidge didn't match the car. It was like they pulled the badge off of a wall or something, you know what I mean, like maybe a retiree cop or something.

1:22:49 I don't know. Just nothing felt right, you know, didn't. It didn't didn't feel right the whole thing. And they're screaming at me, and they tell me this, and they tell me that they out of the woods. And if you don't you know, not only are you going to lose your pension? But you're going to the other really really bad things are going to happen to you. We have the ability to do whatever we need to do to you via technology and everything else, you know. And I'm like, you know, time out, Calm down, what do you guys want? Just tell me what you want. You got it, you know, and then screen and stanton the woods. We don't want you going into the woods. We don't want you going into state parks, county parks, national parks. We don't even want you to going to the soccer field, you know what I mean. They didn't want me in any kind of park, you know. And I was like, okay.

1:23:35 And we were doing a UFO meeting upstate that Thursday. We did a paranormal one down in Westchester and a UFO one up in Dutchess County where I live. And we were doing a UFO meeting, and you know, we've had a couple of experiences where people came in that we thought were FEDS. You know, it's just the energy they put off. We both got each other. That's that's a FED. You know, He's just monitoring the group. And then one of the guys says to me, oh, by the way, what are you guys discussing Thursday night? You know a red hook because that's where a group was, And I go, uh UFOs, and the other guy goes, yeah, stick to the us. So does nobody give a shit about them? Stay out of my woods. I was like, until somebody does give a shit a bit till somebody does give a shit about right and then comes and knocks on my door. But I was like, okay, no problem.

1:24:28 Then just for the left. They turned to Meg go, oh, by the way, tell your fat f in friend my partner Brian, that we know where he lives. They gave me his building number, he lived in it. He lived in a big building down in the Bronx. Gave me his building number, his apartment number, everything you know, And they said tell him it would be terrible because you know that New York City you can't own a gun. It's impossible to own a gun, right. They said it would be terrible if he got arrested as a domestic terrorist because you never know kind of guns we can pull out of his apartment. And I was like, whoa, look, I'll tell my partner what you told me. But he's his own man. He's gonna do what he wants. He's a big boy. But I'll pass the message along to him.

1:25:15 And I called him up immediately and I was like, dude, you you this is just what happened. You have to stay out of the woods. You have to you have to go into woods anymore. I said, if they arrest you as a domestic terrorist, you can't even call a warrior. You have no rights as a domestic terrorist. God only knows what they'll say. They pulled out of your apartment, you know. Then they come out of there with a bazooka, who knows, you know. And so he went out and he bought a two way camera for his car because he wanted to film him. You know, they pulled him over, you know, but he didn't he you know, we didn't do any more investigations in the woods. We started doing more C fives and stuff like that. We stayed away from the woods for a couple of years because no one wanted to deal with that nonsense. You know. Wow, But I'll tell you, I'll tell you what they told me.

1:26:08 Were but there. But I'm glad you made it too. There And it sounds like you are going back into the woods again, so that is that is good and hopefully nothing else. Time I started going back in, I started going back in two years ago, I think again when COVID between twenty I think twenty twenty one, I started going back in again. A couple of years had passed, you know what I mean, and I was like, Okay, I think we're good. I think you know what I honestly, I think what happened was I happened to see one of these creatures at the location, so I went, which was one of my locations that I used for squatching. Okay, So I happened to see one of these creatures there, so I started investigating it. I think they were there investigating at the same time, and they seen me, you know, and I was messing up their investigation, and they just wanted me added there because they were in the middle of something and then didn't need some greenhorn like me, you know, coming in and messing up their gig, you know.

1:27:20 So I think that's what that was all about or heard. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I've been back to that location a couple of times now and again found all kinds of bigfoot footprints, there and a knee print, a fist print, all kinds of stuff. No more. I haven't seen any more dog Man evidence there, but I haven't seen anybody else there either, you know what I mean. So it's just been made. So oh sure, al Santa Rica SCATCHBI. This has been an incredible chat. I mean, you've got you've been through some amazing things. Thank you so much for hanging out tonight, for chatting and sharing some things with my audience. But what are ways that people can keep up to date with all this incredible things you've got going on?

1:28:10 Yeah, you could just check out the Bronze Full Paranormal Society on Facebook. We have a group page and we have a member's page the group. I do most of my posting in the group page. Brian does it on the other one. But we also update the New York CUFO project, the dog Man project, and the big Foot Project. I'm actually going out October Friday, the thirteenth. I'm going back out to do an investigation. There's going to be one percent of the moon out that night, so it should be an interesting night. And then I'm going back out on the twenty eighth. There's going to be a full moon that night, so that should be interesting and I want to compare how one a full moon and a no moon, you know, energy brings and what kind of evidence you know we can collect, So it should be interesting.

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1:31:15 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out and now feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on