Nov. 16, 2025

Terrifying Washington Bigfoot Encounter | Joel Thomas of Merkel Media

Terrifying Washington Bigfoot Encounter | Joel Thomas of Merkel Media
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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron talks with Joel Thomas of Merkel Media and Free the Rabbits about his terrifying Bigfoot encounter in the forests of Washington State — and the deeper mysteries that came with it.


Joel describes what happened the night he was surrounded by heavy footfalls, foul odors, and strange whistling sounds deep in the Pacific Northwest woods. But the story doesn’t stop there. He also opens up about the spiritual and metaphysical dimensions of these events — how encounters like this may tie into spiritual warfare, ancient entities, and the unseen realms that connect paranormal phenomena around the world.



The discussion explores topics such as:



  • Bigfoot and the energy of the land in Washington

  • Faith, fear, and discernment during cryptid investigations

  • Joel’s thoughts on Dogman, Skinwalker Ranch, and demonic deception

  • Why he believes many “creature” encounters may have supernatural roots

  • The mission of Free the Rabbits and its connection to truth-seeking and freedom from fear

Whether you’re fascinated by cryptids, intrigued by paranormal spirituality, or drawn to real eyewitness Bigfoot stories, this episode blends field investigation with a rare, honest conversation about faith, darkness, and the unknown.

Resources:

Link to all films discussed:

https://merkelfilms.com

Free the Rabbit show:

https://www.youtube.com/@FreeTheRabbits

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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So settle in because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Pick for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Joel Thomas today. You

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may know Joel from the podcast Free the Rabbits, which

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is over there under Merkele Media, of course, the big

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organization run by Tony Merkle and the Confessionals. And I'm

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sure all my listeners have heard those guys, but it's

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a privilege to have Joel on the show today. A

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little bit about him. It's a singer, songwriter, podcaster, and

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encrypted hunter from Cincinnatio, Io. Free the Rabbits is also

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a podcast that takes unconventional look at conspiracies and ancient

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history by encouraging people to enjoy the research going down

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the rabbit hole, but at the same time going outside

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and touching grass, which I think is a good thing.

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What does that mean to you? Going outside and touching

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grass in this field.

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Sometimes literally, man can go out there and just go

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barefoot walk around. Feels good.

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Man.

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It's good to get in touch with the outside world

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and realize there's a lot more than living behind a screen.

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And I think a lot of conspiracy theorists live their

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life behind a screen and don't really interact with the

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real world and people around them, and understand that we

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grow together by cultivating relationships with each other and realizing

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that no matter if we think differently than each other,

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we can still come together with loving compassion. That's one

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of the things I really talk about on the show.

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It's vastly different than Tony's show in a sense Tony

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has people come on and tell them his experience, their experiences,

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or their research, whereas mine is very heavily research based

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on a lot of different topics. But on the other

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spectrum of it, I also make music, and I go

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out and hunt all kinds of weird things with Tony

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and the team, and we've got some very interesting documentaries

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coming out next year. We just dropped the Meadow Project

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where we went to an undisclosed location and we had

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a ton of NBA's to go out there and we

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went hunt some weird stuff out there. So we do

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this all the time, and we travel all over the

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place and that's where we typically have some weird things happen.

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So I'm sure we'll get into some of that today.

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Absolutely, it's a thing where it's really hard to explain

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until you start doing it yourself, where especially if you're

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a content creator, I feel that there's a point where

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if you're a podcaster and then you're in a subject

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this and you're like, maybe I'll go out and go

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to Oregon and see what happens, like, you're gonna quickly

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get to a point where stuff starts happening to you

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or you start becoming part of the story yourself. And

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I think that's what we'll be talking about today. You've

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really gotten into some interesting adventures along the years being

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part of the Tony's Team and Free the Rabbits, and

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as you said, you're going around to different places in

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the US and getting involved with some really crazy stuff.

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But people might be wondering, Okay, so is this going

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to be a conspiracy episode. We don't really do. We

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focus on Bigfoot, but maybe some stuff comes up along

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the way. But you've had some interesting things come up

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that have gotten you involved into the bigfoot field. Is

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that right, Joel?

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Yes, I would say from as early as you know,

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five six years old. My parents were very open minded

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and always taught us to be very open minded when

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it comes to the world around us, and I heard

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stories about Bigfoot all the time, right books about Bigfoot.

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I was big into Bermuda Triangle. I always laugh with

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people that I've watched the because I consider that part

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of the conspiracy world, and I've watched the conspiracy world

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change over the course of forty years, because I'm forty

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flows and where it is now, and even when it

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comes to Bigfoot and dog Man and all these different

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things UFOs, anything that would be in that field, I've

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watched it change from this childlike curiosity to sometimes people

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fighting over it these topics. It's definitely different than it

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used to be. But I can say that overall, I

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think way more people are open minded to these things

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being real than they were when I was younger. You

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heard it more in hush circles or your classic Unsolved

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Mysteries or something like that, or these old documentaries that

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I used to watch about these topics. So it's definitely changed.

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I've definitely seen a whole lot over the years, and

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when it comes to Bigfoot and all of these different

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cryptids like that, I will say that in the past

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five years is where I had a lot of really

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my heavy experience. It's not that I didn't have anything

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that would probably be considered more of the paranormal side

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before that, but as far as more of your boots

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on the ground activity, that's really happened a lot over

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the past four to five years.

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Absolutely, it's a thing where I think, from what I'm

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seeing at least, I think people are at the point

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where they are like, we're going through and we'll keep

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it vague, but we're going through so much stuff right

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now that they're at the point where they don't care

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anymore that it's time to come forward and it's time

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to share stuff, and I don't care people are going

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to say about me anymore. And Man, I don't know

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about you guys on your side, but I've got like

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government guys starting to come over and like state legislator guys,

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and they're like, Hey, I've had a big Foot experience,

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let's talk about it. So it's getting to the point

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where I think stuff is really revving up, and you've

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probably see some wild stuff coming forward on your side

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as well. But Joel, could you take me back to

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we're talking about it a little bit before the show started,

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and you actually were able to go out to Washington State,

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where it's really a aticenter of the most Bigfoot activity.

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Yeah. So our plan was to go to the location

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where Wes Germer from Sasquatch Chronicles he and his brother

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had their epic encounter that most people in the space

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know now. So Wes is good friends with Tony and

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they had been taught talking about doing this, and as

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we were preparing to see if this was going to

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be a possibility, all the team was being built. We

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had all the cameramen and directors and everything coming together

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to figure out how we wanted to do it. So

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everything ended up working out. So we all flew out

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to Washington State, went to a few places because there

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were some other people that had some experiences as well.

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One lady in particular had a very similar experience to

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West Germer, but it was I think maybe thirty forty

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miles away from there, so that was interesting. We actually

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went out to the area where she had hers where

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the bigfoot light creature dropped down into what most people

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in the space now called the spider crawl, and she

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saw it do the same thing, but its spider called

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backwards up a hill and over the hill while I

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was watching her the whole time, So it was very

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interesting to hear about that. But Wes took us up there,

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and this was the first time Wes had been to

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that Zach spot since it had happened, so it had

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been years, and he was real nervous while he was

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up there. It was during the day time, duo. He

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said he would not go out and there with us

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at night because that's when it had happened, was at night,

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and he said that we were crazy. And he specifically

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told me I'm crazy because generally what they do they

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put me out there alone and send me out for

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however amount of time to document and what we generally

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do we have a technique that we call the Scott

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Carpenter method and make sure it's a name that most

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people know in the space. His son Travis gave us

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his rig and how the rig works. You put it

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on your shoulder. It's got a gimbal and it's faced backwards,

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so the gimbal allows it to stay steady while you're moving,

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but it also records behind you and that's typically where

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Scott caught a lot of things because his idea was

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that as he's walking past, things will pop out take

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a look at him because they think he's not looking,

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and he'd be able to catch about camera. So we've

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actually got very successful documentation from using that. Some of

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it's not been released at it's for future films, but

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we've had some really interesting stuff that was caught on there.

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So it didn't know if they do. They send me

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out and I enjoy it, but like I said, you're crazy.

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He's because we were in a vehicle and these things

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were especially the one that was bluff charging him for

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about an hour was squared up on him and he

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said it was massive. So we went up there. He

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took us to the area, so i'd say for the

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first couple nights that we were out there, nothing happened.

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The only thing weird that was going on was there

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was a vehicle there that initially seemed like the guy

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or whoever owned it had just left it there, and

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we knew it was a campsite next to the look

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like a work vehicle. It was more of one of

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those work vans. It was locked, so we didn't know

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what was going on with that. But as the Knights

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progressed while we were out there, we know as nobody

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came back to it, and by the last night that

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we were there, we actually started looking around and we

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noticed that there were two large jars of marijuana that

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we're out there, that we're just sitting out there, that

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were untouched. On Washington, marijuana is legal, so it's not

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unusual for people to have it. It's very unusual for

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people to leave large quantities just sitting out in the woods,

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and we noticed that nothing had been touched over those

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three to four days that we had been going out there.

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So I'll get for that in a second, because that's

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a super interesting case to tie into Davia Polaid's and

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the idea of people going missing in these state parks

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because that's where we were. We were in one of

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these national parks, and it lends the idea that people

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go missing, and then you start getting into what's going on.

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Is it government and is it Bigfoot? Is it some

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sort of other cryptid So the last night we were

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out there, we were in a camper vehicle and it

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was raining, but it wasn't pouring down rain, and we're

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in the vehicle and while we're in there, we hear

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some weird whistling outside. So that was an odd thing

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because there's nobody up in that area. It's pretty isolated.

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It's pretty secluded up there, so we knew that was

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going on. And then the big tail. We opened the

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door and it was just the nastiest stink you could

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ever smell. It's that classic what people say, that bigfoot stink,

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and it just permeated the whole area. And we're talking.

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We were probably only fifty yards away from where Wes

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had his experience. So at that point it's well, do

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we want to send Joel out? Do we not? And

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I said, yeah, I'm good to go. So I go

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up the hill. I have to go up the hill

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and over the top where I'm out of the line

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of sight of everyone else if I get up to

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the area where it happened. So I go up that way,

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and as I'm going up there, I can hear something

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thudding parallel to me all the way up the hill,

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and anytime I would stop, it would stop. Now what

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was interesting was while we were down there, before I left,

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we could hear what sounded like multiple large things in

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the woods around us, circling us. So the way that

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it was laid out, we were on some weird road

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that was beat up. That's how we even got back there.

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And there were woods on both sides of us, and

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then there was a weird fork in front of us,

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so there's another patch, large patch of woods too, So

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we're pretty much surrounded by woods, dark and it's raining,

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so hard to see any thing. That you can smell

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this just awful smell, this almost rotten type smell that

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hadn't been there all week, So this is just something

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new that happened within that time we were there. So

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I'm walking all the way up to right around where

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Wes had his experience. I get up there and it's quiet.

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There's nothing going on up there outside of the thudding

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I heard, and it's stopping. So I get up there.

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I'm up there for a little bit, and I say,

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maybe I need a head back now, So I head back.

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This time though I don't hear any thudding following me back.

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It's like it stayed where I was at. So again,

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I haven't seen anything. I just know what I heard

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next to me in the woods. So I come back

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over the hill. I see Tony down there. I see

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Ward and a couple of the team members, some of

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them were inside. I get down there, and they saw

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something that looked like an orb that had come out

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of the woods during that period of time. Now, when

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we went back and looked at the foot, and we

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had a biologist look at it too, it looked more

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like a moth than an actual or the odd thing

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though from the biologist that we had look at it,

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he said that there shouldn't be any moths up in

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that area in that period of time. He said, because

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of the time frame, which was close to coming out

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a winner. He said, they wouldn't even be there for

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another couple of months. So he said that was super odd,

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and he said that it could have been something that

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looked more mothlike than anything, but it wasn't ruling it

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out that it could have been a moth, so that

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was very odd. But initially on camera it looked like

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something we couldn't define until we slowed it down. But again,

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super odd. Why is this thing happening when we're having

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this experience with what seems to be large cryptids or whatever. Right,

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we'll just say large creatures in the woods. We didn't

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see it, so I can't tell you that AA was

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bigfoot or was this or that. We just know they

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were large and we know it smelled really bad. So

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I get back down with Tony. When we start talking,

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the rest of them go inside. And this is where

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it gets really weird. For Tony and I. Something groud

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and it felt like it was next to us, but

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we didn't see anything. But when I say that, I

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felt it growl. I felt it growl. I didn't hear

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it grow and it vibrated my whole body, and Tony

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looked at me and said, man, I felt that in

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my gut. He said, my whole body shook, and I said, man,

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I didn't hear that. I felt it. It's very typical

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of what you hear people say when they have that

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infra sound that happens where it's something that's guttural that's

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hitting a different frequency than something else that you've ever

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heard before, So that was super weird. At that point,

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we said, let's just step back inside and talk to

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the rest of the team, which we did. We talked

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to them for a bit, and then we went back

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out and we just decided to poke around where this

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van was at because now we're starting to think whoever

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was here never came back, and it's been almost a

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week and now we're a little bit concerned that, hey,

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this person might not be here. And we've been out

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there at different points of the day two throughout the week,

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so it wasn't just like we were there at night.

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We had been there during the day. We never seen anybody,

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and we got as much information as we could. Obviously,

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the vehicle was locked and we couldn't get that, but

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we did get the license plate. We ended up calling

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the police about it and gave them information and come

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to find out, the guy that was working out of

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the work vehicle he'd been missing for two weeks, and

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we ended up getting a hold of his ex fiance

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who he was still in contact with, and she said

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that she was unable to get ahold of him either,

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and over the course of a year, after a year

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from that date one, they checked the entire area and

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didn't find anything. But then a year later, as they're checking,

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they found four skeletons out there in that same area,

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and they claimed that one of them was him. The

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problem is, it's just kind of what they said to

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make it make sense, but none of the teeth matched up.

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Nothing matched up, and it wasn't enough for them to

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actually be able to get into that information. I just

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feel and even his ex fiance felt like it was

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just a way to say, oh, we found them, but

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they really didn't, because I remember a lot of people

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came out and said, he's not missing. They found them. No,

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if you read the report, they actually never could identify

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who he actually was. So that also lens into the

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missing four one one phenomenon, which is directly tied to

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a lot of bigfoot sightings. So with all that information,

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we had to really think about, Okay, one, what was

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surrounding us. It was in the same area that Wes

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Germer and his brother had his experience. We had awful smells,

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I had something follow me that was massive. We had

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multiple things surrounding the vehicle, plus Tony and I had

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this crazy what we would say infrasound but for lack

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of better term, just something that vibrated our bodies but

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we could audibly hear as a growl. So all that

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happening plus a missing person, you started thinking that this

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is a very high octane area for bigfoot sightings and

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you have to start asking the question, is this some

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sort of nest around there. That's something that Wes Germer

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talked to us about too. Was there Is it a

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nesting area, is it a mating area? Is it a

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place where there are families there that had don't want

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you in their area that's why they're running people off?

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Or is there something else going on that we're not

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really sure of the exact reasons why they come. And

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they're aggressive because what we've heard in that specific area,

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they tend to be very aggressive, and that's not always

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the case of bigfoot, because we have plenty of bigfoot

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sightings where I mean just looking at you walk off,

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so it's not necessarily that. And I don't even buy

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into the idea that they're all some awful thing, but

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we do know that they have been aggressive in certain cases.

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So in this particular area though, we're hearing a lot

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of specifically from Wes, how aggressive that they were, and

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then just from our experience, whatever it was that was

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there seemed aggressive.

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Wow, that is really intense, is it? I know that

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Wes's encounter, it's had a lot of eyes on it

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over the years. But just for me, is this a

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thing where the location area can be discussed or is

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it a thing where you pretty much were keeping it

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at Washington for respect of the original witnesses involved.

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Yeah, we're just keeping it under wrap for me, witnesses involved,

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just for Wes. Really, if West decides to disclose it,

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that's on West. We told him that we wouldn't tell

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anyone exactly where we were at and we'll leave that

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to him. And I don't know if he's done that

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on his show or not yet. That's up to him,

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and maybe he hasn't, maybe he has. That would be

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something that I guess people that listen to a lot

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of Sasquash chronicles they would be able to answer a

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little bit better than me. But I know that for

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us that we're just not going to talk about exactly

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where it was at, just for the CYC of Wes.

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Yeah, and I totally respect that. I will say that,

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Let's say there are certain areas in Washington where, yes,

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it gets extremely aggressive. I can think of one right now,

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Skamania County, and you have multiple people going missing, the

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two individuals in Christmas Eve that were found in Scamania County,

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and there's a lot of places in that county where

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people don't go because they've been told like, hey, the

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activity related to sasquatch in this area is super aggressive.

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So I'm right there with you. We're not sure exactly

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where you guys were at, but there's definitely places in

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Washington that fit the bill. Now, I've got a few

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questions about what you had just shared. I always find

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it fascinating when people bring up the whistling, just because

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I've experienced that myself. But are you able at all

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to replicate what you had heard when it comes to

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the whistling?

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They were short bursts. It was probably more like our oh,

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and I can't really do it the way that was,

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but it was very short, but shrill, and it was

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just in little pops, little burst. But we knew that

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it was something that was audibly making the sound and

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it was coupled with the smell. So when the whistle started,

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that's when the smell started. So that's when we really

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got to thinking that, Okay, this could be the phenomenon

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that we're looking for because it the snow coupled with

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the whistling and everything escalater from there.

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That's incredible. What you just did was exactly what we

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had heard down the Willamette National Force in Oregon over

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the last two years in an area where they've been

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seen they try to get people to go further into

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the woods with the type of whistling they're doing. They're

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trying to lure them in, and they're trying to especially

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do it with females that are present in groups that

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are in this area. It's very strange, but that's incredible

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you did the same exact whistle. Now, something that I

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find really interesting is and I listened to I've listened

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to a lot of your episodes when you are on

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The Confessionals and Free the Rabbits your show, and I

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know that you have been through a lot and that

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you have quite a history when it comes to things

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that are related to the weird. Right, did you notice

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after this point of going out into the dark, into

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the woods by yourself, and you do have this stuff happen.

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Did you start to have weird things happened to you

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afterwards that perhaps could be related to going out into

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this area in Washington.

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No, not this particular time. Now, I won't say that

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it's never happened on any trips that we've been on.

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I would say specifically from when we went out to

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Skinwalker Ranch in you went to Basin out in Utah,

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there was definitely what people would consider the hitchhiker effect

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that happened to all of us out from out there.

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So everyone had some weird things happening around the house,

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but this specific one, I honestly can't think of anything

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overtly weird that happened when I got back from this

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particular trip. But I've had some things happen from specific trips.

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Just depends on which trip it was and also how

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well I guess the best way to say it WOUI

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the trip was. If it was more on the wu side,

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then yeah, I might have had some things happened back

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at the house that was more in line with something

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more on the paranormal side. But this specific trip I

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didn't have anything happened, gotcha.

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It's such a fascinating phenomenon when many witnesses report that

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Hey got back to the house. I started hearing voices,

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things started moving around the house. I have very vivid dreams. Listeners.

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A really cool book to read that might explain some

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of that as Dark Matter Monsters by doctor Simon him.

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It's really cool and in fact, you probably just heard

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the episode as it'll be out, But let's deviate a

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little bit. Can you tell me a little bit maybe

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about what happened when you went out to Skinwalk a

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ranch that's such a place that is just steeped in weirdness,

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and to be able to go onto a place like

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that I think really deserves to chat about.

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Yeah. Sure, we went to a ranch called Space Wolf Research,

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and Space Wolf Research is butted up next to Skinwalker Ranch.

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So when you're on the property, you're looking dead into

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Skinwalker Ranch. You can see the entire ranch, and you

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can walk up to the ranch. So we were not

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on the ranch property, but we were directly beside it.

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So anything weird that's happening in that area is also

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happening at Space Wolf Research because it's all connected and

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it all goes down into you're looking over on top

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of a mesa. You're looking down below it into Skinwalker

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Ranch and you can obviously some of it is also

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Space Wolf research, and then you look up and then

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there's a masa on the other side. So with Skinwalker Ranch,

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it's in almost a valley between two maces, and we

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were allowed to go on there. There's guy Ryan Burns.

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He owns the property and he had done some work

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with Tony in the past, and we had plans on

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going out there, so we ended up going out there

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and immediately stuff was happening. Stuff was happening before he

458
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.279
even got there. So one of the weird things that

459
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.680
happened a week before we even got there. There's a

460
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:25.359
large trucking container, one of those large containers that would

461
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.599
fit on the back of a semi truck, and it's

462
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.359
on the property and they use it for storage and

463
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:38.759
it's massive. So one night they hear a lot of

464
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.559
weird stuff going on outside as far as sounds, and

465
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.279
I believe it was might have been storming, maybe it.

466
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.319
Don't call me on that one. But the next morning

467
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:55.880
they go out there and what's really weird is the

468
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:05.880
entire trucking container has been picked up and moved about

469
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.599
ninety degrees. But the best part is there's no drag

470
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.279
marks on the ground and ball. It was like it

471
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.839
was picked up moved by just a few inches. Because

472
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.079
you could see where some of the rocks were knocked

473
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.680
over that were high enough that were above that two

474
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.279
inch mark. It was like it was picked up perfectly placed.

475
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.240
The only way that could have been done was a

476
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:34.599
helicopter to come pick it up, move it ninety degrees

477
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.400
over and then drop it back down. So we've got

478
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.079
the pictures of that. It's also in the film that

479
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.079
we did too, called Shape of Shadows, and that was

480
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.319
coming from Ryan, that was coming from the security on

481
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:47.559
the property. There's a guy that lives on the property

482
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:50.680
as well that he's the caretaker. All these guys were

483
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.240
involved with seeing this and saying this is the weirdest

484
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:57.119
thing we've ever seen. Also, they did a lot of

485
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.680
research to see if there had been any helicopters in

486
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.839
the air for any kind of work outside of anything

487
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.839
around them. No, there wasn't anything. So it's just a

488
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:12.599
purely unexplained phenomena, something that would have taken something with

489
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.680
a lot of strength to do. So that happened a

490
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.160
week before we even get there. On the way there,

491
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.079
two of the guys that we have there that got

492
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.480
there before the rest of the team did, contacted us

493
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.400
and said that they were just setting up some cameras

494
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:33.079
and they were shooting into Skinwalker Ranch. And while they

495
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.400
were shooting, this is also in the film, an unidentified

496
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:41.240
flying object UAP comes up out of the woodline the

497
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.880
trees and just darts across the camera and weirdness thing

498
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.079
you ever seen, And it just happened to you when

499
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.039
they set it up and they were filming through the binoculars,

500
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.759
they caught it. And so we get there, they show

501
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:56.680
it to us and right there and this is weird.

502
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:02.640
So we start settling in and the really interesting thing

503
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.480
about this trip that we did vastly different than any

504
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.920
of the other people who have done any research in

505
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.799
that area, specifically the guys over Skinwalker Ranch. They typically

506
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:16.880
take a very scientific approach to all this, which is great,

507
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.720
and we did have some people come there who were

508
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.799
more science based that we interviewed, and you want that

509
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.440
a part of what you're doing, But we also leaned

510
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:31.000
heavily into the youth tribe that was there and the

511
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.039
Native Americans who had been there for a long time,

512
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.599
because to us, why are we negating this big part

513
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.039
of the story. Why does everybody always negate what the

514
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.519
Native Americans have said in the area. They've been in

515
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:47.039
the longest, they would know more than anyone, at least

516
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:52.319
through lore, what is going on there and what has happened.

517
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:58.319
So we had a guy named Johnny who had lived

518
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.160
in the area for a long time and he was

519
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:05.839
Native American, and we had several other Native Americans that

520
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:07.559
we interviewed the entire time we were there. As a

521
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.160
matter of fact, it was really cool. They were so

522
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.319
thankful that we were taking this approach because nobody else

523
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:17.039
would talk to him. We're out there one night and

524
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:21.960
we are talking to one of the other Native Americans.

525
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.599
He's younger both Standing Rock, and he had some wild

526
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.119
experiences with some rakes and just all kinds of things

527
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.920
over the years in that area. So we're there and

528
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.480
Ward and Tony were just out that evening it was dusk,

529
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.759
just looking around the property because we hadn't even really

530
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.200
looked through much of the property. We had just set up.

531
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.319
That was the first day, and so we hear them

532
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.400
yell and they're coming up the hill and again, this

533
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.119
is a massive piece of property and Skinwalker Rants is

534
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:58.759
huge as well. So they come up and said, listen,

535
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.680
we found something. It's one of the weirdest things you've

536
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.799
ever seen. Took pictures of it, will take you down

537
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.200
in a minute. So they show us the pictures and

538
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:14.759
it is an altar that was built with the skulls

539
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:20.480
of what looked like deer or some sort of animal,

540
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.000
and it was animal bum. There was an offering in

541
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.359
the middle. It was in front of this large tree.

542
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.519
So that was alarming because we just got on the

543
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.200
property and something else was also on the property that

544
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.480
had been doing things. So we immediately after that and

545
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.359
it's one of the wildest things I've ever seen in

546
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.960
my life. We're obviously, WHOA, this is crazy, what's going

547
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.960
on in this property. For the next hour to an

548
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.279
hour and a half, twenty twenty five UFOs lit up

549
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.759
the sky and we're going bananas. And we had seen

550
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.279
satellites that we were tracking from before, so that definitely

551
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:06.720
weren't satellites. There were a few air runway lights way

552
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.759
in the distance. We knew there was a rat. This

553
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:14.279
was completely different. They were moving in erratic positioning. They

554
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:19.960
were in different patterns, different colors of light. This went

555
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.200
on for, like I said, about an hour and a half.

556
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.279
We caught a good bit of this too, which is

557
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.440
also in the film, and again it was super wild.

558
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.559
But for that to happen directly after that they found

559
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.319
this weird altar was just mind blowing. And that led

560
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.519
into the next day when we started looking into the

561
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.160
altar itself. We said, we want to go out here

562
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.279
at in the day one to see if it's still there.

563
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.079
We don't know who's on the property sneaking onto the

564
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.160
property using this, We have no idea. So we got

565
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.880
out there, we take a look at it. It's obviously

566
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.599
really weird. There's definitely some offerings in a little bowl.

567
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.920
There a lot of weird stuff. As walking back ward,

568
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.039
said Joel, come here real quick. So again, it had

569
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.920
been raining prior to us being there, so there were

570
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.559
some places where there were some mud or had been

571
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.519
mud prior. And we see these footsteps that are going

572
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.319
down this hill, and he said, look at these footsteps

573
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.200
and it's like they look big footsteps, and like, okay,

574
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.559
what are we looking at? He said, keep looking. So

575
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.880
as we look as we track them. About halfway through,

576
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:30.240
they start changing. They don't look like human footprints anymore.

577
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.160
By the time we get to the bottom, there are

578
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.599
hoofprints and what looked like dog prints at the bottom.

579
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.359
The human like prints are no longer there in the

580
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.039
middle or is this weird? I don't know if you

581
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:47.160
call them footprints whatever. They look like they're not the

582
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.119
same shape as the ones before, and they're smaller, and

583
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.079
then we've got these at the bottom, So that looks weird.

584
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.400
And obviously we're in skinwalker ranch country. But we don't

585
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.640
want to jump to conclusions, and we tried not to,

586
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.359
so we said, what's the best case scenario for us

587
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.160
to figure out what's going on, or at least get

588
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.320
an idea. You've got two Native Americans that we're talking to.

589
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.159
Why don't we bring them out separately, they haven't met

590
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:15.360
yet and just see what they think without talking to

591
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.400
the other and not being influenced by us, just saying, hey,

592
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.800
what do you think about this? So we bring Johnny

593
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:25.480
out first ten seconds in. That's a skinwalker. He said,

594
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.079
this is a perfect area for something to change. He said,

595
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.119
you've got your altar up there. He said, you come

596
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.960
down here, and there's all this brush that you could hide,

597
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.079
and he's like, you just come down this hill and

598
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.000
he said, you change and then you run off into

599
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:40.960
Skinwalker Ranch, because Skinwalker Ranch was right there. I mean,

600
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.119
you had the fence line that was probably ten feet

601
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:48.880
from between the two ranches. So we then we bring

602
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.599
both standing rock out there later that day, obviously without Johnny,

603
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.599
they hadn't met yet. And again within about ten to

604
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.440
fifteen seconds, he said, that's Skinwalker Prince. We see those

605
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.159
a lot. He said, a lot of people that are

606
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:03.920
in the tribes have been doing this for a long time.

607
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.960
He talked about one of his great great great great

608
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.039
grandfathers that was able to do this, at least through

609
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:11.199
lore right. This is what had been passed down through

610
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:16.519
his family, and that was just absolutely mind blowing that

611
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.119
we saw that as well. And I think the only

612
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.760
other super weird thing that happened after all this craziness

613
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.000
has happened. We're driving back from an interview and it's

614
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.119
dusk and we're in the middle of the desert. At

615
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:32.159
this point, there's nothing around, and there was a railway

616
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.159
track that was going across this desert road and again

617
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.639
there's just maces in the distance, there's nothing. And I

618
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:43.159
noticed this just odd vehicle. It was a trunk, but

619
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.880
it had its dimers on and it was just sitting

620
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.519
there on this weird, desolate road that went off into

621
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.320
I don't even know where, way off in the desert,

622
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.159
but it was sitting by the railroad track. So I'm

623
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.039
in the back seat of the vehicle and everybody's talking,

624
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.519
and I noticed as we passed, lights kick on and

625
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.800
it just comes behind us. So I said, Okay, maybe

626
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.519
I'm thinking too deep into this. And I know I

627
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.559
can be paranoid from time to time, so you know,

628
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:10.800
I'm not trying to feed into that paranoia. But I

629
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.400
notice every time we turn, it's following us everywhere we go.

630
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.559
So we pull into Space Wool Research it slows down

631
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:22.719
by the entrance. I say, that's definitely something. And I

632
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.519
previously told Tony as we're getting closed, something's weird here

633
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.480
if this vehicle slows up, and when we pull in

634
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:33.159
and it's definitely something. So it did. Tony said, in

635
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:37.440
typical Tony fashion, let's chase it. So we start hauling

636
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.559
down the road, chasing this truck. About a mile down,

637
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.760
another vehicle whips in behind us, so now we're blocked

638
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.760
in with these two vehicles or were chasing one in

639
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.840
the front. We get a call from the guy who

640
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.760
was at the property, Joseph, and he says, another vehicle

641
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:56.719
pulled in and tried to come back all the way here.

642
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.960
Didn't realize there was somebody here is I stepped out

643
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.039
and it took off. So we had this whole crazy

644
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.599
chase where this vehicle ended up getting away from us

645
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.280
because it just kept going deeper in the town. And

646
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.039
we said we need to get back, especially after we

647
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.280
got the call from Joseph that there were people trying

648
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.440
to get on the property. So we get back on

649
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:17.000
the property. We do a pretty good look over the

650
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.119
entire property to make sure nobody had jumped out of

651
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.800
the vehicle and they weren't in the tree lines or

652
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.639
anything like that. So ended up not being that and

653
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.760
that kind of was towards the tail end of the trip,

654
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:33.000
and that's when we realized that maybe we were either

655
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:37.719
onto something that somebody didn't want us to find, or

656
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.639
what could also be the case. And we talked to

657
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.760
Johnny and both standing Rock that there were tribes people

658
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.599
who knew we were poking around with other tribes, people

659
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.920
ask them questions and they were just trying to scare

660
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.039
us off, which is probably more likely than going down

661
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.440
the government road, but you never know. So that was

662
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:57.199
pretty much in a nutshell of the trip, and it

663
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:58.000
was pretty wild.

664
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.960
Mike Gonness, that is absolutely wild. I listened to you

665
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.440
guys talking about your adventures on your different shows, and

666
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:10.239
sometimes I'm like, I wonder, is there ever a point

667
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.079
when these guys are like, WHOA, this is too crazy,

668
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.039
we can't do it. It just seems like you guys

669
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.239
are constantly pushing the limit. Let's go, like Tony said,

670
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:25.440
let's chase them. I'm just blown away, man, it's.

671
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:27.960
All the heat of the moment. To be honest with you,

672
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.719
we don't really think about it because it's just what

673
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:36.519
we do. And I've always been very adventurous. And I

674
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.880
grew up in the mountains of Georgia most of my

675
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.119
life off and on, and I never really had fear

676
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.719
of being in the woods, being around any kind of

677
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.719
wild light. I would run into bears and mountain lions,

678
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.880
all kind of things as a kid growing up, and

679
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.239
I just knew how to handle that type of situation,

680
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.719
and growing up in the family that I did. The

681
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.559
talk of bigfoot and all these things was always talked about.

682
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.800
I never saw anything as a kid, but there were

683
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.719
stories that were told from grandparents or friends of grandparents. Yeah,

684
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:08.760
I saw this, I don't know, like a Harry Mann

685
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.800
running around in the woods. I'm not really sure what

686
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:12.519
it was, but I don't think it was a man.

687
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.239
So we always heard things. Specifically in North Georgia, there's

688
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:20.079
tons of stories of bigfoot sightings up there and all

689
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.760
kind of other things. But yeah, I typically don't have

690
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.800
that off button, and I think a lot of interests

691
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.599
adrenaline too. You're just in the heat of the moment

692
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.840
and you just said we're doing it, so none of

693
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.079
us thought about it. It was a bad idea to chase

694
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.159
the vehicle down until hours later when Tony looks at

695
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.039
me and says, man, I probably should have done that.

696
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.000
He's pretty bad idea. Whether that was a setup, whether

697
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.400
they're dragging us off the properties. I think they were

698
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.519
dragging us off the property, but they didn't know we

699
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.800
had people still on the property, and obviously with another

700
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.440
the third vehicle pulling in when that happened, and again

701
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:02.039
I lend it to I think it was probably tries

702
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.800
people in the Reds that was close by, and the

703
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.320
entire areas of the Reds really but close by who

704
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.920
had seen us interviewing people all over the place, and

705
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.519
we were interviewing people in town. There was a small

706
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.119
authentic Mexican restaurant that we interviewed a guy in, So

707
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:21.159
it wasn't like people didn't know what we were there for.

708
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:25.559
So that could have also probably more of the likely

709
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.119
case that it was just people trying to scare us

710
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.159
off because they didn't like us talking to the Native

711
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:32.079
Americans in the area.

712
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.079
Yeah, definitely word gets around quick when you started up

713
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.960
going into the center of town, like you had said there.

714
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.079
Now you mentioned really quick in when you're talking about

715
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:47.760
this area that perhaps there were rakes. Now that this

716
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.079
topic has come up a few times on the show,

717
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.199
like years ago, I've brought a good friend, Missy li

718
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.360
Sterling on to talk about the rakes and pale crawlers.

719
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.960
But is this a subject where it's come up in

720
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.079
your research? Is anything that you guys have looked into

721
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:03.840
the whole pill crawler thing.

722
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.519
Not specifically, but I can say that it's come up

723
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.280
in some areas that we are looking to shoot films

724
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.599
in and it's not something we're necessarily solely looking for.

725
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.320
It just happens to be something that's been seen in

726
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.519
the High Oaking area. Very similar to going to space

727
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.679
Wolf research where both Standing Rock used to work with

728
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.000
a group that used to go look for these things

729
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:38.679
and they apparently, according to him, they did run across

730
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:39.880
a group of them.

731
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:44.400
And yeah, it wasn't great for everyone when it happened.

732
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:48.039
So there are a lot of things that happened in

733
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:54.400
that you went to basin from We had Native Americans

734
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:59.599
on the property telling us about giants in the mountains.

735
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.679
Across from us. So it was just a whole wild

736
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.639
area of just anything possible that you've heard of in

737
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.639
the cryptid paranormal WU mix it all together in a pot.

738
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.119
Everything happens there, so it's just not just one thing.

739
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.440
And yeah, Bigfoot too, they talked about seeing Bigfoot, so

740
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:26.119
that's also something that's not uncommon either in that area.

741
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.960
So it's really just an area for a lot and

742
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:34.719
that lends back to the pill walkers. It just happens

743
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:38.079
to be a thing that shows up in areas where

744
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.679
there's a lot of activity. So yeah, there's a couple

745
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:42.079
of areas right now that we're looking to go to,

746
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.559
and we've heard of some pretty wild break or pill

747
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.039
walker stories, so who knows.

748
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:53.400
Right, Absolutely, you have to be prepared for anything when

749
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.159
you start actively right going into these areas and not

750
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.960
just hang out at home. When you start poking the

751
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.719
hornet's nest, sometimes it stings you, so you definitely you

752
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.199
never know what'll happen. But there was a conversation we

753
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.360
had after or no Is before we started recording, you

754
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:14.960
had alluded to it. I want to make sure it

755
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.000
happens that you've actually had some other Bigfoot related activity

756
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.599
that's happened in Tennessee that hasn't really been talked about

757
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.119
in a lot of places yet.

758
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.559
Yeah, this is another really wild run. I would say

759
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:34.639
it's probably one of the wildest things that has happened

760
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:38.800
to Tony and I on these trips. And it's super

761
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:42.119
weird too because he and I were alone when this happened,

762
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:45.559
away from the rest of the group. So we went

763
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.079
into an area that Scott Carpenter has been into a lot.

764
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:56.559
This is where he captured the infamous dog Man photographs

765
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:01.719
that were behind him when he walked back. And you

766
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.280
can literally go to Google, type in Scott Carpenter dog

767
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.800
Man and they'll pop up. But this was the area

768
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.280
that we were in and prior to earlier on that day,

769
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.920
there was another researcher there that knows Tony, and he

770
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:23.400
had plastered which was the massive knine print down at

771
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:28.320
the bottom of this muddy hill, and he had took

772
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:29.960
a picture of it. He actually showed us that the

773
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.360
casting was huge. So again it was in the area

774
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.679
where Scott had his I wouldn't say necessarily encounter so

775
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.960
much as he caught it on camera because it was

776
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.239
using the Scott Carpenter method that was behind him. So

777
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.599
we're out there and the first thing that happens, it's

778
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.000
really weird, is we're in the vehicle before we go

779
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:56.480
to get onto the trail to go back into this

780
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:02.559
massive area, which by the way, has now been blocked

781
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.480
off by the federal government over the past two months

782
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.679
and they literally have put up a gate and shut

783
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.960
it down for anyone to get back there, which has

784
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:18.320
been absolutely mind blowing considering all the crazy stuff it's

785
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:21.920
been going on back there. Blocked it off. So when

786
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.559
we pull up, Tony sees what he says was a

787
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.679
blue orb behind the truck because he saw it through

788
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:34.639
the rearview mirror, and he said he saw it. It

789
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:36.599
was almost like it was dancing behind him, and he

790
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.440
shot off. So I get out of the vehicle and

791
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.039
as I'm walking towards where he said he saw it,

792
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:48.079
this was really odd. I heard what sounded like a

793
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.920
woman seeing in the woods, and as I got closer

794
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.079
to the woodline, it started fading away. But when I

795
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.840
looked to the right up the trail, I all what

796
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.239
look like a blue orb and it instantly vanished. I

797
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.199
saw it for about two or three seconds and instantly vanished.

798
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.320
So I tell Tony as I walked back, I said, look, man,

799
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.920
this is what I heard and saw. This is typical

800
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:17.920
of what people would consider to be fay activity or

801
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.800
sometimes associated big put. A lot of times people have

802
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.400
orb activity that's associated with big put, and again this

803
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.880
is more on the woo side of things. So we

804
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.119
decide to go up into the woods. We get a

805
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.800
place where we're going to set up a fire, and

806
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:36.960
like I just can't sit. We're not going to stay

807
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.599
out there overnight. We're gonna be out there late two

808
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.199
three in the morning, maybe later, but we're not setting

809
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.519
up like a full camp. We're just setting up. It's

810
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.679
a little chili and we want to make sure we're warm,

811
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.400
and we got to place a camp base of operations.

812
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:52.840
That's what we try to do when we go to

813
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:56.920
these places. So we noticed that it's really quiet again,

814
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.119
and that's typically when something's about to jump off, when

815
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:03.280
there's not a lot of wild life making any noises anything.

816
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:08.639
So I decide to walk down this hill towards where

817
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.559
this print was found earlier in the daytime by myself.

818
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.559
And as I'm going down there, almost identical to what

819
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:21.400
happened to me in Washington, something large is thumping parallel

820
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.840
next to me in the woodline to the left, and

821
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.559
I'll stop, it stops. I'd go further. I can hear

822
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:32.039
it walking parallel to me. I stop, it stops. So

823
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.199
I got all the way out of the line of sight. Obviously,

824
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.000
we have walkings on us all the time, so I'm

825
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.679
checking in and I'm telling them it's definitely something is

826
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.719
out here. I don't know what it is. I can't

827
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:44.800
see it because I'm flashing lights in the woods, I

828
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.719
can't see anything. And that's important because of what happens

829
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:52.000
to Tony and myself later, so I get to the

830
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.679
bottom of the hill, I noticed there's several trails that

831
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.320
offshoot it's deeper into the woods. And we had done

832
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.800
some exploring the previous time we had been out there,

833
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:04.360
because this isn't the first time we've been out there,

834
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.920
but we hadn't been down all these trails, and we

835
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.400
don't know where they all lead to, and we want

836
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.119
to try to go through as meaning as we can.

837
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.760
And this trail that I want goes all the way

838
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.280
back to so it's a pretty wide trail, but then

839
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:22.599
it splits off into just multiple trails that also split

840
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.239
off into multiple trails, so it's just a massive piece

841
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.599
of woods. And I decided to walk back, and I

842
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.679
can hear this thing parallel walking back with me. But

843
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.480
at one point it just stops close to this trail

844
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.920
that I think is very interesting. And I even mentioned

845
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.480
it when I got back to base camp with war

846
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.960
Tony and his brother Jack, and I tell him I

847
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:51.320
definitely had this weird thing happen, and something was parallel

848
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:56.480
to me, very similar to Washington, and I noticed this

849
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.239
trail where it stopped. Tony says, well, maybe we should

850
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.880
got on that trail. We should, so Tony and I

851
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.639
decide to go down the big trail and go all

852
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.000
the way back. So we go past the un trail

853
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.840
I want to go down, and we just keep going.

854
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.039
So we go down a few trails, and to back

855
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:14.960
up just a second, we were this close to going

856
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.920
home because we really hadn't had a whole lot outside

857
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.960
of the orb stuff. And we've seen ors before and

858
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.480
people could even say that, oh the lights you're playing

859
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.519
tricks on you, or maybe you thought you heard something,

860
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.679
and fair enough, I won't say that they're wrong or right,

861
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.000
but we haven't had anything just crazy happen outside of

862
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:36.159
something big parallel walking to me all the way down

863
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:38.960
and halfway back up. So Tony and I get out there.

864
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.760
We're exhausted. When we said one more time, we're going

865
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.519
to go out about two in the morning, and we're

866
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:47.840
gonna get out here and we're gonna see if we

867
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.960
can't find anything. We're exhausted. So we go down a

868
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:55.960
few trails, nothing really of interest. But as we're walking back,

869
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.599
we run up on that trail that I was talking

870
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.239
about where that thumping and stopped, and I tell Tony, oh,

871
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:02.639
that's that trail he said, you want to do it.

872
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:04.079
And I was like, let's just do it. We're already

873
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.440
out here, might as well. So we radio back in

874
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:07.920
a base and say, hey, we're going to go down

875
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:14.159
this way. So we walk into this trail and fifteen

876
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.679
to twenty feet in, boom that stink and we can

877
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.679
smell it. It smelled just like we were out in Washington

878
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.679
and it was the same. It's just like a nasty,

879
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.320
wet dog worse. And I told him, I was like, man,

880
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.440
this is what we smell at Washington. He said, I know,

881
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:33.639
and I said it's weird. Dumping stops here at this

882
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:38.519
trail and now we're smelling the smell. So Tony and

883
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.039
I keep going. And Tony's feeling sick at this point too.

884
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.960
He's not feeling great and he doesn't really know why,

885
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.000
but he's just feeling kind of nauseous, not feeling great.

886
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.719
So we get all the way back and we are

887
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.239
way back here and it is quiet. You get a

888
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.519
pin drop back here, super quiet. So Tony wants to

889
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.519
take a stop because he's not feeling too well, so

890
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.000
he puts the camera down and it's facing him. When

891
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.119
he sets it down, it's still on and we got

892
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:10.239
multiple cameras running. I've got a I are running behind

893
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:13.119
me in the Scott Carpenter method, and I've got one

894
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.079
and I'm holding in front. He's got one as well,

895
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.320
and he kind of leans down and I'm looking the

896
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.880
opposite direction to him, because typically we try to do

897
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.360
that where we're looking at all lines aside if we

898
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:35.119
possibly can. And at this point, something runs at us.

899
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:39.119
And when I say runs, thumps loud massive. We can

900
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:42.559
hear the tree shaken, runs all the way up to us.

901
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.119
And this is all on camera, and this will be

902
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.480
on the film when it's done. We've got some more

903
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.559
locations to sheet and we will definitely add it in

904
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.400
as a part of the series that we're working on.

905
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.599
But this thing, whatever it was, runs all the way

906
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.880
up to about four or five feet away from the camera.

907
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:07.639
You'll see Tony draw on it. I have my back turned,

908
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:11.159
I yell because I got my back turned to this

909
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.480
and I'm whipping around as quick as I can and

910
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:20.920
we hit lights. Nothing there, nothing, there's nothing there. And

911
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.599
we heard something massive shaking these trees all the way

912
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.519
through and just stop in front of us. Nothing. So

913
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.320
now we're WHOA, what's going on? So they heard me

914
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.920
yell back at base camp and they said, what's going

915
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:38.840
on there? I said, We're not sure. Immediately it sounded

916
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:43.079
like a pack of monkeys going off in the woods.

917
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.440
It was like, I mean, shaking through the whole woods,

918
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.079
and you can see it from multiple directions. And I

919
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.320
told Tony I was and you will hear it on camera.

920
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:55.719
This sounds like a pack of monkeys. What is this?

921
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:01.119
So they think back at base that we might be

922
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:03.480
playing a trick on them at this point because of

923
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:05.599
what they're here in too, because they can hear it

924
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:11.440
just reverberating throughout the entire forest. So we rady go

925
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:15.360
back in and said, no, man, that's not us. Whatever

926
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.159
we just heard is directly after whatever try to run

927
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.559
up on us. So we said, we're heading back. We'll

928
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.039
tell you more then. And so we get back and

929
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:29.519
we start trying to make sense of it. And we've

930
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.719
shown the footage a couple of conferences to let people

931
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:37.519
hear what we heard and see what we were doing

932
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.639
when this thing ran up on us, because you can

933
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.000
hear it thudding and moving up to the camera, so

934
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:47.960
you can hear this wild whatever it was, and what

935
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.760
we ended up doing again, we had a biologist, certain

936
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.480
of ours take a look at the sounds to say,

937
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:57.840
what are these sounds? Because the more we started listening

938
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:03.920
to them like it could be owls as well. So

939
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.480
we said, okay, maybe the key of the moment, we

940
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.880
think that it's monkeys, but maybe it was owls. But

941
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.639
that's super weird too, because why would there be just

942
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.519
multiple owls going crazy at once. We don't know. So

943
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.880
we talked to our biosis friends and he listens to

944
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.599
them and he said, look what it sounds like to

945
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:25.800
me is initially it does sound very ape like. He said,

946
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.599
it's like it shifts into an owl sound, and he said,

947
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:36.599
that's very typical of bigfoot sightings and bigfoot activity. They

948
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.920
like to mimic other animal sounds and areas that they're at.

949
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:42.679
He's like, and if you but if you know what

950
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.480
the animal sounds are supposed to sound like, you can

951
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.559
tell that it's something mimicking those sounds and not actually

952
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:52.920
those sounds. So it's almost like it starts out very

953
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.880
ape like and then it shifts into a more owl

954
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:04.480
like sound that's multi to pull different whatever they were

955
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.320
out there making me sounds. So that was mind blowing

956
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.360
to us to talk to our biologist friend for him

957
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:13.000
to say, I don't think these are owls. I think

958
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.360
it's something trying to mimic owls, but they don't start

959
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.159
out that way. So that was another one of our

960
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.599
really wild trips that we've been on. That'll be in

961
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.320
a future series that we're putting out, But that was

962
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.280
pretty wild. And to have something right upling that close

963
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:29.840
within just a few feet, and then to hit lights

964
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.280
on it and just nothing be to be there and

965
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.000
then just a pack of monkeys go off in the

966
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:41.159
woodline is a pretty wild experience, to say the least.

967
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.119
Wow, that's really intense and one of those things I

968
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.519
don't know can be explained at all if there's nothing

969
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:50.480
there in the light and it's supposed to be four

970
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.400
to five feet away. You said that was coming out

971
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:54.679
maybe next year.

972
00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.599
We are looking to maybe we had. We've got another

973
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.960
series that we are working on right now. It's in

974
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.599
the editing floor, and I could let people know what

975
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.599
the project is. It's called Crowley's melon Heads, Children of

976
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:14.880
the Beast, and we found what I did. I've been

977
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:18.280
doing research on Alistair Crowley for a long time, but

978
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.000
I would say over the past three three and half years.

979
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:25.480
I found an interesting connection with him and governments around

980
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.400
the world and also his connection to cryptids, specifically the

981
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.519
melon heads. So we actually went to all melon head

982
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:37.480
locations that they've been cited at. We interviewed people who've

983
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.519
seen them recently as a matter of fact, and other

984
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:46.320
large headed entities that might be associated with these melon heads.

985
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:50.360
We also ended up in Utah again because we found

986
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.199
a weird connection with Crowley and Joseph Smith, because there

987
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.679
is a Mormon temple also in one of the weird

988
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:01.800
places of Kurtland, Ohio, where these melon heads are seen too.

989
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:08.920
So it's a really interesting connection between the occult of

990
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.880
Alisher Crowley and these melon heads, and it's really wild.

991
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:14.400
But we're working on that series that's going to come

992
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.199
out Quarter one next year. But we are looking at

993
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:20.599
this next series with this particular incident with me and

994
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.800
Tony where we had this thing run up on us

995
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:27.199
in the woodline, and that should come out maybe back

996
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:29.239
in the next year when we do some more filming.

997
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.719
Because it's going to be a series, there'll be multiple locations.

998
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:33.719
It just is wonderful locations that it's going to be

999
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:34.599
in the film.

1000
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.480
Joel that melon head documentary is going to potentially show

1001
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.559
up on a lot of interesting radars. Is that anything

1002
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:46.760
that you have to deal with weird letters or phone calls? Hey,

1003
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.599
maybe you guys should cool it a little bit. Do

1004
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:54.199
you ever get any intimidation like that we have?

1005
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:59.760
And I wouldn't say, particularly on this particular subject. Necessarily.

1006
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.760
One of the things that I like to delve into

1007
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:07.760
when it comes to a lot of these what we

1008
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.119
would consider popular modern occultists, but all the way back

1009
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:15.000
to occultures throughout history, is their connection to a lot

1010
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:20.960
of these cryptids and the paranormal and all of these things,

1011
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.599
and also their connection to governments. So we can even

1012
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:28.679
go back to the fifteen hundreds with John Dee, who

1013
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.400
was literally the first Double O seven. He used to

1014
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.800
sign his name double O seven. He worked for the Queen.

1015
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.360
He was actually a secret agent back then. So a

1016
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:40.440
lot of these guys who are what we would consider

1017
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:44.800
to be nefarious occultists, and some people obviously wouldn't if

1018
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.280
they are also involved with those things, but they were

1019
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.079
all tied into governments, and I think it also ties

1020
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:55.079
these cryptids into those arenas as well. And that's one

1021
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.800
of the weird threads that I found when I was

1022
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:02.559
digging into the melon heads, was this other side to

1023
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:07.519
it that wasn't this hydrocephalous and these children being worked on.

1024
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.880
There was another side to it that kept popping up

1025
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:14.519
and I found a very interesting thread with Alistair Crowley

1026
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.599
and I'm really excited to put this out. It took

1027
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:19.400
us a month to shoot. We were four locations. We

1028
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:23.280
did seventeen days of shooting and I can say this

1029
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.119
without giving anything away. We caught the most compelling thing

1030
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:31.519
we've ever caught on camera with video and sound, so

1031
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.800
it's one of the wildest things. We had two biologists

1032
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.719
look at it. You'll see their take of what they

1033
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.000
saw when we show it to them on camera too,

1034
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.519
and what they think it could be. It's really wild.

1035
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:48.920
So it's definitely an interesting mixture of research heavy plus

1036
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.119
boots on the ground. It's something we've never done before

1037
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:55.159
and I'm really excited about the project.

1038
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.679
Wow, I am really excited to see that as well.

1039
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.599
That's extremely intense. Something else that you guys have gotten

1040
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.440
into and people that know about the background of the

1041
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.239
confessionals and yourself and Tony will probably be like, I

1042
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.519
hope he brings this up. So we're gonna now. You

1043
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.599
guys have also been involved with some really a really

1044
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.760
intense project that was in the Daniel Boone National Forest

1045
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:29.320
and dog Man related correct, that's right. Would you be

1046
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.840
able to share a little bit about what happened during

1047
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:32.519
that project?

1048
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.000
Yeah, for sure. And the wildest pieces of it happened

1049
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:41.840
to myself and Christian who was on the project. And

1050
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:46.079
this was our first film. So this was the first film. Man.

1051
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:48.960
It was such a run and gun type of film

1052
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.440
compared to what we do now, we have so much

1053
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:56.079
more planning and people involved, and just even the quality now,

1054
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.159
even the quality was great for them, but it was

1055
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:03.000
just such a Hey, you like cryptids, you want to come,

1056
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.800
Let's go out in the woods. And it was funny.

1057
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:09.599
I had met Tony maybe eight months to a year

1058
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:13.400
prior to this, and we met through music because I

1059
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.440
had a music producer that had sent him some of

1060
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.119
my music. And he'll tell a story better than me,

1061
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.800
but he was, let's just say, using the restroom and

1062
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.119
he got to the DM and he said, yeah, whatever,

1063
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.039
it's probably gonna be some garbage that people send me

1064
01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:30.719
all the time. And he checked it out and loved it,

1065
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:32.440
and he ran down to the studio listened to the

1066
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.000
rest of the album, and he contacted me and said, hey,

1067
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:36.880
can I start using some of your music for the show?

1068
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.039
And he and I started corresponding back and forth, and

1069
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:41.679
then he wanted to have the in studio to talk

1070
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:45.280
about some of my experiences. And from that point we

1071
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:48.960
became really good friends. And it was several months later

1072
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:51.480
he just texted me out of the blue, I don't

1073
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.280
want to say it was about seventy o'clock at night

1074
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.920
and he said, hey, man, would you I don't know

1075
01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:59.440
if you're into this kind of stuff, but would you

1076
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:03.519
be interesting? Did in going to hunt dog Man in

1077
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:08.679
the NW Nasal Forest? And I said, yeah, man, I

1078
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:10.800
grew up in the woods in my whole life and

1079
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:14.559
not like the New York woods, the North Georgia mountains,

1080
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:17.719
and of course I'd love to do it. And he

1081
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.239
said you got artillery and I was like, yeah, man,

1082
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.000
I'm good to go there, so I could definitely meet

1083
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:26.800
you there. So we set up a small team and

1084
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.599
it's built on the back of a guy named Kyle's

1085
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.320
story and if people haven't heard it, it's one of

1086
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.440
the best stories that has come out on the professionals

1087
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:41.719
it's called Dog versus Dog Man and Kyle is I

1088
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:44.840
think thirteen or fourteen at the time, and he used

1089
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.639
to go hunting with his granddad at night and they

1090
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.559
would take the dogs out and get two dogs. And

1091
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:56.639
long story short, he goes to an area and he's

1092
01:02:56.679 --> 01:03:02.280
coon hunting and they the two dogs track a coon

1093
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:07.440
up a tree, but these coyotes come out. But in

1094
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.440
the foray, he comes around a corner and what looks

1095
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:13.159
to be a coyote but a lot bigger, just stands

1096
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.960
up on two feet and is gnawing on another coyote.

1097
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:21.000
And thirteen fourteen years old, you see a dog get

1098
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:23.199
up on its hind legs and stand up like a man.

1099
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:26.800
Really breaks him out, so he tries to run. This

1100
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.599
thing starts chasing him with dogs come to his rescue

1101
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:36.119
and one of them ends up dying in the process.

1102
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:40.000
The other one is hurt but ends up coming back,

1103
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.400
so the one dog is okay. And I may have

1104
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:45.360
that part of the story wrong, you'd have to go

1105
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.199
back and listen to it's been a while. Later on,

1106
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:51.920
he's also hunting, maybe eight years later, seven years later,

1107
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:58.400
and he's walking up from the woodline onto the road

1108
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.079
and he looks down twenty yards and a dog man

1109
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:04.760
walks out of the woodline, looks at him and just

1110
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.679
scales which I've been there and seen it. It's almost

1111
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:14.480
a straight up and down rock face, and he just

1112
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:19.280
scales it up with no trouble at all. And he said, man,

1113
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:22.280
I just I need to wash myself on. I'm out here.

1114
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.880
But he had never been back to the original area.

1115
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:27.760
Because that was a pretty intense story. He decided to

1116
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:32.159
take us out there, and we go out there, and

1117
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.840
I want to say, the second day that we're out there,

1118
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.800
we go way back and there's a fork. We've been

1119
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.480
walking probably four or five miles. We're deep in the

1120
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:49.599
Daniel Boon National Forest. There's a fork. If you take

1121
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:52.039
the left, it'll take us around to where he had

1122
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.039
his experience. But we decided to take a rite because

1123
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:59.280
he said there was a watering man made watering hole

1124
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:02.960
that was created by the government for the animal life.

1125
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:04.519
He said, there's a lot of those that are out

1126
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:09.000
in these national parks and state parks. There's a lot

1127
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:11.559
of them out there. So he said that's where you

1128
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:16.480
may be able to see something because they come for

1129
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:19.559
water and if something's hunting something else it's going to

1130
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:23.360
go where waters at, where other animal life or prey

1131
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.280
might be at. So we go up that way, and

1132
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:29.960
Tony and Kyle decide to walk up into the woods

1133
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:36.039
off the trail, into the area where this basin is created.

1134
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:40.920
I'm walking down this it's a really rugged trail, and

1135
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:43.519
I'm looking at the tree line in front of me

1136
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:48.239
and it's just a dense forest, and Christians right behind me.

1137
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:53.760
Nobody's there with us, and I see a tree from

1138
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:59.519
the mottomn shake and sway back and forth. And when

1139
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.960
I yet, it might not sound impressive if people are listening,

1140
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.719
but if you understand the width of this tree, I

1141
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:08.679
can't get my arms around it. And I've got pretty

1142
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.360
long arms, and I couldn't get my arms around if

1143
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.320
I wanted to shake something down at the core, to

1144
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:16.679
the point that when Christian looks up, he's looking at

1145
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:20.920
the top. He just sees trees shaking like crazy. I

1146
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.880
look back at him and say, do you see this?

1147
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:24.639
He says, what in the world? And I look back

1148
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:28.079
and it's doing it again. So we start yelling for

1149
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:31.679
everyone else. They come running. So at this point we

1150
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:35.599
want to figure out what it is it's not doing

1151
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:38.679
it anymore. So I decide to go around the trail

1152
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:43.039
that's going to circle around this patch of woods while

1153
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.400
they go up and check the tree. They go up

1154
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.079
and check the tree. There's nothing there. There's no locking equipment,

1155
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:51.760
so we can throw that out. There's nothing that could

1156
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:55.800
move trees like that that's up there. I go around.

1157
01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:02.480
It is again very quiet, no chatter in the woods,

1158
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:08.199
no squirrels, no birds, nothing, And I'm walking around the

1159
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:13.519
side and it is just absolute silence. And then it

1160
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:15.880
just felt heavy. There's only been a few places in

1161
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.719
my life where it just really fell heavy in a place,

1162
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:21.480
and this felt heavy. It was just like something was

1163
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:25.480
almost on top of me as I'm trying to walk

1164
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:30.000
through quicksand But at some point, as I'm coming back around,

1165
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.119
it's like whatever was heavy lifted and all of a sudden,

1166
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:37.440
birds start chirping. You can hear squirrels. I think I

1167
01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:40.360
started seeing them at that point, which was really weird.

1168
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:44.360
So I come around and I start talking to Tony

1169
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:46.840
and the rest of the team and we're just trying

1170
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:49.159
to figure out what this thing is. What happened. Later

1171
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.239
on the next day, we end up in a different

1172
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:54.639
area and this is where we heard tree knocking, so

1173
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:59.119
it's your typical bigfoot tree knocking. And we heard some

1174
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:02.239
whoops as well while we were out there. And what

1175
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.159
was interesting, before we got to the area where we

1176
01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:09.159
heard the loops in the tree knocking, there were four

1177
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:12.960
black helicopters that flew over us in that area, which

1178
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:16.840
was really odd. Now, what's not odd is for government

1179
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:21.439
vehicles to be in national parks. We have run across

1180
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.920
areas and national parks that people don't know about. That's

1181
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:27.960
you inn owned and all kinds of different things that

1182
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:31.640
we know about through people who have been deep in

1183
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:33.760
these national parks, and we've seen some weird stuff, but

1184
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.600
that was a really weird thing. We see these four

1185
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:41.000
helicoppers and then we're hearing whooping, we're hearing this tree knocking.

1186
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.119
And this is the day after we just had this

1187
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.439
wild tree experience. We decided to go back to that

1188
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:49.439
place at night because that's when stuff's going to happen, right,

1189
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:51.319
we want to go out at night. So we get

1190
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:54.159
out to that place. I think it's the third night

1191
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:58.760
we go out there, about one two in the morning.

1192
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:07.840
We get out there and we set up and it's

1193
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.920
silent again, just deftly silent, but what we hear is

1194
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:16.640
something thumping around us in that area. And this is

1195
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.239
the area where we had the tree shake, right in

1196
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:23.560
front of myself and Christian and Ward and I were

1197
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:28.159
a little concerned. We had the heavier artility there, and

1198
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.079
we said, we haven't heard this since we've been out here.

1199
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:33.720
It seems to be you would hear some thumping and

1200
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:35.640
it would stop, and then it would be thumping from

1201
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:38.920
a different area. It was almost like it was letting

1202
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.479
us know it had us in case. So at one

1203
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:46.720
point it's almost like something hit these trees. And again,

1204
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:51.560
this is a day after I'd been raining. The trees

1205
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:55.479
were wet, and it's like in a straight line, water

1206
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:58.039
fell from the trees all the way to us and

1207
01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:00.880
then just stopped on the top of our heads. It's

1208
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:02.840
stopped and it didn't go any further. But it didn't

1209
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.840
happen any other trees anywhere else. It wasn't like a

1210
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:06.600
bunch of trees were shaken. It was just almost like

1211
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:10.840
a straight line of water hit So at this point,

1212
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.720
I'm not really sure you know what's going on here.

1213
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:16.840
This is the same area this weird thing happened, And

1214
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:19.399
the next day, we had to go out there and

1215
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.359
pick up trail camps because we've been set up trail

1216
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:23.079
camps all week and we wanted to set it up

1217
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:24.680
in that area. As a matter of fact, that night

1218
01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:29.279
we had took meat from the local meat shop and

1219
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:31.840
hung it up in trees and all kinds of stuff.

1220
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:36.720
So we went down there and Tony had walked up

1221
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:42.960
a little bit looking over into off of the right

1222
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.119
to where the trees had shook and it was more open,

1223
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:47.880
but you can see just how dense it could get

1224
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:52.119
back there, and he to this day says he saw

1225
01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:57.800
what looked to be a very gray head piers over

1226
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:04.840
a log that's laid on top of another tree and

1227
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:09.279
not necessarily mandated or something else. That is just something

1228
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:13.000
that fell. But he said, something's looking at me. So

1229
01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:15.439
I decided to go back there and see if I

1230
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.159
can see anything, because he said it was looking at

1231
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.640
him and then it dropped back down. So I get

1232
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.920
back to where this log is because I want to

1233
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:25.680
see how tall a log was. I get back to

1234
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.199
this thing is about of my head and I'm six

1235
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:30.920
to two. Thing had to be pretty tall, he said.

1236
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:33.840
The head peered over it. You're probably looking at seven

1237
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:37.399
eight feet looking at him. What's even more interesting is

1238
01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:41.560
I get back further and back there is a very

1239
01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:51.920
typical tepee structure with three large logs wedged together on

1240
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:54.920
another tree, and underneath it were a bunch of sticks

1241
01:11:55.640 --> 01:12:00.760
and foliage that had been rounded up, so something whether

1242
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.920
it was man that did it or something else, but

1243
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:10.720
it also lends into this prototypical bigfoot lodging rights. People

1244
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.199
have seen these TV structures for years and years and years,

1245
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.800
and it was there, and this is not far from

1246
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:21.119
where Tony saw this furry almost gray looking ahead that

1247
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.560
stared at him. And this is all in the same

1248
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.159
area where we had the massive tree shape. We had

1249
01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:30.319
the weird happening that night, and it was just a

1250
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:33.079
pretty wild experience. And this is just our first time

1251
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:36.239
that we had ever went out on trips, so that

1252
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:38.800
was what kicked off everything that we're into now and

1253
01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:41.479
now we're just going full throttle every year.

1254
01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:45.800
Mike Denness, well, I just can't imagine that's your first

1255
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:50.680
really big experience you guys going out. That is really cool, Joel.

1256
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:53.560
This it always blows my mind how many cool things

1257
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.560
you guys are able to get into and you just

1258
01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.600
keep going We've talked about a lot of things people

1259
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:04.239
can view and documentaries and how can people find all

1260
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:05.600
these to check them out?

1261
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.680
Yeah, if you go to Merkelefilms dot com, you can

1262
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.279
get access to all the films we have out right now,

1263
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:17.520
and I know we've got some series that are coming

1264
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:22.239
out too. I know that there are some other films

1265
01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:25.239
that will also be up on Merkelefilms dot Com that

1266
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:30.760
aren't necessarily just us either, so they'll we have a

1267
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.720
documentary up there right now from Ron Moorehead, He's got one,

1268
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:41.399
and I know there's several other paranormal encrypted researchers who

1269
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.600
have films that will be hitting Merkel Films as well.

1270
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:46.840
So it's going to be a hub for a lot

1271
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:52.520
of different researchers that shoot documentaries. And there's Stacy brown

1272
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:55.960
Is and talks to work with Tony and he's going

1273
01:13:56.039 --> 01:14:02.560
to put a film out there soon, I believe. And

1274
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.359
there are a few other guys that people would know,

1275
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:06.800
but I don't want to bring up their names yet

1276
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:09.239
until things are signed on the botted line, but I

1277
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:11.960
know they're looking to put their films on Merkel Films

1278
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.920
as well, so it'll be a hub for a lot

1279
01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:17.079
of different films, but currently all of our films right

1280
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.279
now are up there, which we have Expedition dog Man,

1281
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.760
which is the one where we went to the Danabe

1282
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.119
National Forest hutting down dog Man. We've got The Shape

1283
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.680
of Shadows where we went out to Space Wool Research

1284
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:32.680
which is next to Skinwalker Ranch. We have Sasquatch, and

1285
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:34.800
The Missing Man where we went out with Wes Kermer,

1286
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.720
and we have our new one, The Metal Project, which

1287
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:41.319
we had some pretty wild stuff happened there too. So

1288
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:45.079
definitely go check out the films, and we've got way

1289
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:45.720
more coming.

1290
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:49.960
Out that's exciting stuff. And of course let's talk about

1291
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:55.600
your personal podcast, Free the Rabbits. Is there a certain

1292
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:59.960
episode or maybe a few episodes you would recommend people

1293
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:04.239
check out first that are maybe a favorite of yourselves.

1294
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:11.000
Yeah, I would probably say for the listener that is

1295
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:19.920
more interested in cryptids and more interested in those type

1296
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:24.439
of topics. I've got a really interesting one on were wolves.

1297
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.560
It's the psychology of were wolves. I go through a

1298
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.960
lot of research that has been done over the past

1299
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.319
two three hundred years about were wolves, what they could be.

1300
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.600
Are they tied into what dog Man is. I get

1301
01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:39.000
into that a little bit too. I also have some

1302
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:43.760
interesting ones like my Paranormal Storytime, where I talk about

1303
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:49.880
some of my personal paranormal stories coupled with research as well.

1304
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:53.159
Those will probably be two if you're picking to critics

1305
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:56.359
and stuff. I've done some episodes with Cryptons of the Corn,

1306
01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:00.720
which are great friends of mine. We did episode called

1307
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.239
Trolls of the Ancient World and we talk about all

1308
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:08.119
of these different trolls in Scandinavia and all these different

1309
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:11.399
experiences that people have had. So I have a nice

1310
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:18.279
mix of not just heavier conspiracy stuff, but also when

1311
01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:21.039
it comes to cryptids. If you like giants, I talk

1312
01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:24.359
a lot about giants too, and I even get into

1313
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:26.680
the origins of the dog headed man too, So that's

1314
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:29.720
another episode that people might like as well. So I

1315
01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:32.560
talk about dog headed men throughout history and how they've

1316
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:39.359
been documented since as early as the early one hundreds AD.

1317
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:43.600
So a lot of different interesting stories there, and I

1318
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:46.279
get into just a lot of different topics that are

1319
01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:52.760
wholly off the cryptied trail and on some different ideas

1320
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:55.039
as well. So yeah, you might get in there and

1321
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:56.520
some stuff, and you might get in there and not

1322
01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.039
like some stuff. But I can say For the most part,

1323
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:04.199
people enjoy the show. It's heavily researched, So I try

1324
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:08.159
to also give people a lot of sources and places

1325
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.560
they can go and check out where I got the information,

1326
01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:12.199
because I know a lot of guys that do podcasts

1327
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:14.720
don't do that and they just say trust me. And

1328
01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:17.479
I try to give people where they can go to

1329
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:20.239
get where I'm getting this stuff from, because at the

1330
01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:23.680
end of the day, the research is the research. I

1331
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.920
can say, hey, I researched this, this is where to

1332
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:27.800
find it. It doesn't mean you have to believe it, but

1333
01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:29.359
I can say, hey, it's been talked about for the

1334
01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:32.760
past six seven hundred, eight hundred thousand, two thousand, four

1335
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.039
thousand years, so we can at least point to the

1336
01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:37.520
fact that he has been talked about. It's really up

1337
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:39.039
to you whether you want to take it on board.

1338
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:41.000
Is something that you want to add to your personal

1339
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:41.760
paradigm or not?

1340
01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:45.520
That's great. Is there anything else that you'd want to

1341
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:49.359
make sure that listeners would know that you've put out

1342
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:50.680
or ways to contact you.

1343
01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:55.119
Probably the easiest way to get to me just go

1344
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:59.760
to link tree slash Joel Thomas Media and you can

1345
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:03.720
get everything from there for the podcast, to music to

1346
01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:06.720
the films. I would say, if you want to get

1347
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:11.039
to the podcast Free the Rabbits, just go to YouTube

1348
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:13.960
dot com slash Free the Rabbits and you can get

1349
01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:17.439
to my show there. And I dropped shows every Monday,

1350
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.239
and I've got video and what I do with all

1351
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:25.840
these heavily research topics, I'm showing the media that goes

1352
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:28.199
along with it. So if there's books involved, I'll show

1353
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:32.039
those up on the screen. I'll show different paintings and

1354
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.880
sculptures and things that I'm talking about. So a lot

1355
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:37.079
of people like to get in on that, and we

1356
01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:43.520
do our live streams on twelve pm on Mondays and

1357
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:45.119
that way you can get in there on the live

1358
01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:48.680
chat while it's streaming. But yeah, that's pretty much it.

1359
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:52.640
Go to linktree dot or sorry, go to link tree,

1360
01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:55.239
slash Joel Thomas and Media and you get to everything.

1361
01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:58.720
That's awesome. Jill, thank you so much for coming on

1362
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.119
the show today. I've really wanted to have you on

1363
01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:04.079
for a while. But it's great to hear about all

1364
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:07.359
these things that you've experienced from your viewpoint. And we

1365
01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:12.720
will definitely be watching for these new documentaries to come

1366
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:15.960
out as well by listeners. Check out Free the Rabbits.

1367
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:19.039
Of course you're probably if you haven't checked out the

1368
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:21.640
Confessionals checked that out as well, and check out the

1369
01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:23.800
documentaries as well. But Jill, thank you so much for

1370
01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:27.680
spending some time with us today. Oh, thank you so much, Erlay,

1371
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:32.600
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1372
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.840
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1373
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:39.640
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1374
01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:42.479
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1375
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:45.800
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1376
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:48.800
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1377
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:52.119
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

1378
01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.760
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you

1379
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.960
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

1380
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:02.399
if you're a firefighter, paramedic or search and rescue responder

1381
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:05.720
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1382
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.640
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil

1383
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:12.840
field or a trucker with government contracts and you've had

1384
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:16.560
something happen that you've never told a soul. And if

1385
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:20.239
you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher

1386
01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:24.039
under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1387
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.039
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1388
01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:30.560
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1389
01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:34.359
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or

1390
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:37.760
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1391
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.600
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1392
01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:47.920
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1393
01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:50.760
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1394
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:56.600
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1395
01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:00.960
We've got the mic. See you in the way. Thank

1396
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:03.840
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

1397
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:06.319
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1398
01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:09.520
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1399
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:12.399
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

1400
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:15.239
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1401
01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:17.560
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in the woods.