March 21, 2025

That's When I Knew It Was a Real Thing!

Join us for an exciting episode featuring Chester Moore, an award-winning wildlife journalist, investigator, and author of 'Bigfoot South.' Chester delves into his early childhood fascination with Bigfoot, recounting spine-chilling encounters in East...

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Season 1

Join us for an exciting episode featuring Chester Moore, an award-winning wildlife journalist, investigator, and author of 'Bigfoot South.' Chester delves into his early childhood fascination with Bigfoot, recounting spine-chilling encounters in East Texas and beyond. Discover his firsthand experiences and investigative techniques as he shares vivid details from the eerie growls in Newton County to uncovering patterns of Bigfoot sightings near Nichols Creek. Listen as Chester discusses the importance of wildlife conservation amid increasing urban development, and learn about his impactful work with Dark Outdoors, a podcast that intersects true crime and cryptid encounters. Don't miss Chester's captivating stories and his insights into the mysterious world of Bigfoot.

Resources:

https://highercalling.net/about-chester-moore/

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Read Chester's book - https://bigfootsouth.com

https://www.youtube.com/@globalbigfoot

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slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege

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of talking to mister Chester Moore today. It's privileged to

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have him on the show. A few things to know

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about Chester right off the bat. He is the host

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of the Dark Outdoors podcast. He's an award winning wildlife

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journalist and an investigator and author of the Bigfoot South book,

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which is coming back in an expanded edition.

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Correct Chester, It's out right now Bigfootsouth dot com. And

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I've been getting some good feedback on that book, and

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it was something I did a long time ago to

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tie in with some conferences that I was doing at

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the time myself, and we had a limited run and

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people kept asking about it, so I brought it back

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with a vengeance.

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I love it. I love it. So when I have

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individuals like yourself on the show, I love to start

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the show out by going into that first question, which

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is what got you into the Bigfoot field? To begin with.

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My initial entry into having an interest in this goes

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back to very early childhood, when I was probably four

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years old or so, my dad showed me pictures from

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the Argacy magazine that had the Patterson gym One creature

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in it, and I was mesmerized, you know. And you

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couldn't be born in the late seventies without hearing about Bigfoot.

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I mean, the six million dollar man battling Andre the

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Giant is Bigfoot and Ted Cassidy's Bigfoot and all that.

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And then I'd heard that my dad went to see

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the Legend of Boggie Creek at a drive in and

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I was too young to go, but I was. I

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was being wheeled into surgery at Texas Children's Hospital. They

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put me in a waiting room. They had early cable,

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and on early cable was the legend of Boggie Creek.

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So I got about the first hour of that and

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I was just blown away. So that really was I

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interested in it. But I've always been deeply interested in wildlife.

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I've always wanted since I was a little boy to

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work in a profession that tied in fishing, hunting wildlife somehow,

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And to me that was just like an addendum to wildlife.

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It was just part of it, but a mystery. And

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so in terms of an interest in the topic, that's

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where the topical interest comes from.

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That's fascinating. It's always fun when you talk to people

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where they were influenced at such a young age, like myself,

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by the Bigfoot media in a way, it's you've had

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those classic movies and TV shows and it's just it's

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a good time when you have that connection. But was

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there was there a time then when you found yourself

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actually going out into the field and okay, now now

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it's a little different. I'm out in this area actually

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looking for whatever this thing is.

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Well, that's I kind of went backwards, kind of weird deals.

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So my father and I had an encounter with something

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in Newton County, Texas, and my aunt owned eighty three

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acres in the middle of hundreds of thousands of acres

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of forest, and we were rabbit hunting one night. And

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if in Texas rabbit hunting is little headlamp on, by

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the way, it's perfectly legal. And you put a little

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headlamp on, and we'd go walk the fence line of

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for eighty three acres down into this creek bottom and

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out with the headlamp looking for rabbits with shotguns. And

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we got down to this creek bottom this one particular night,

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and I'm not sure sure exactly the year, but I

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was eleven or twelve right in there, and this thing

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started going crazy and it was a deep, gutteral, like

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evil sounding growl, and remember, Daddy, what's this? And my

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dad's best reply was, I think when Uncle Bill's bulls

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got hung up in the fence down there, and I'm like,

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let's go help it. He goes, Noah, I think it'll

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get out on his own, and so we kind of

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back out of there, and me, being the already budding

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investigator journalist kid, kept pestering my dad, and the best

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answer he could come up with that I bought for

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a long time when it was a bear, because the

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black bear had been extrapated from East Texas, but Louisiana,

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which was only, you know, ten miles away from US,

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had a remnant pair of remnant population Louisiana black bear.

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So then I got to work with black bears in

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captivity for two years in college, and they made no

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vocalization that started remotely like this, but something interesting happened.

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I got a couple of things happened on the same

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property with some relatives that had some strange sounds and things,

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and it brought back memories, and I got to I

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kind of started thinking that Bigfoot might not just be

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a specific Northwest thing. And I had reached out to

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Bobby Hamilton, who had fund of the Gulf Coast big

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Foot Research Organization, and he asked my dad and I

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to go out on an investigation with him one night

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in poult Kenley, Texas, about two hours away from where

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we were when we had this thing happen at this

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point fifteen years earlier, and nothing really happened. About ten

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o'clock we heard like we're sitting around a campfire listening

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for vocalizations what we're doing, and we heard a weird

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like moan, like a oh, off to our left, and

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about midnight it was dead center of us. In about

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two or three o'clock in the morning, it was over

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to our right and it's sod of like something had

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circled our encampment. Interesting, but nothing, you know, like we

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could say that's a bigfoot. So about four am, we

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had a two hour drive home. Bobby had to go

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to work the next morning, and we were getting our

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stuff together, had shook hands and we're about to part

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and all hellbro clues. This sound is guttural, evil sounding,

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dark sound, growling came out through the thickeadatus. And I

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get to feel thinking about it now because my dad

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was with me then, and he was with me when

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we heard when we heard fifteen years ago in Newton County, Texas.

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Now we're two hours away in Polk County. He literally

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grabs me and goes, that's what we heard when you

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were a kid. It was the same sound. So that's

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the moment I knew Bigfoot was the real thing. And

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so a very interesting part of this that hooked me

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into investigating in the field was that I had been

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to South America eight or nine months earlier, in December

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of nineteen ninety nine, I've been to Venezuela. I was

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peacock bass in Pyara, fishing in the jungles of Venezuela

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in a place called Lake Guri, and I had we

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had several monkey encounters, including a spider monkey that came

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into our house boat and stole food. But multiple days

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we had howler monkeys everywhere making these This sound I

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was hearing had a very holler monkey esque tone to it,

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so it sounded very primate like to me. And when

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I was in this COVID one particular howler monkey, I

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growled at it and it growled back. I did two grouse.

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It growled two grouse. So for whatever reason, instinctively I

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did that to this thing. I growled, it growled. I

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did two growls. It did two growls. Then I did

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three growls, and it built itself up into a frenzy,

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released a high pitched stream that sounded like it was

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a stream within a growl, And it obviously wanted us

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to know it was leaving because it broke stuff on

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the way. I could hear it breaking branches and stuff

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on the way out, and that is exactly what a

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howler monkey did in South America like eight months earlier.

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So when that encounter happened, I went with some kind

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of primate there that we don't know for sure what

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it is, but that's primate like behavior and it matches

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the exact sound of her. When I was a kid,

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and at this point, I was already a professional wildlife journalist.

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I already been in the field doing this seven years

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eight years go that point. So I decided to take

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a little part of what I was doing as a

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wildlife journalist and start investigating this phenomenon.

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That is absolutely fascinating. The sounds that you were hearing

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back from whatever was in those bushes. Was it very

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similar to the same sounds you were making as well?

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So I'm really I'm pretty decent at making animal sounds, right,

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So I was trying to mock it. So it wasn't

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like it tried to mock me. I was mocking it.

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If that makes any sense. I could. It was like

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a So I had never heard the Sierra sounds at

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this point in my life, okay, but a year or

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two later when I heard them, and I'm not talking

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about what's called the Samurai chatter and all that. There

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is a very gutteral growl within the Sierra sounds that

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is absolutely some of the sounds this animal made, This

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creature made that stuff. We heard it. So I did

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something similar to that, and that's what made it respond

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to me. But the part that I've told the three

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before that I usually leave out for whatever reason I shouldn't.

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It's a freaking kind of scary detail. You know. Right

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before I decided I'm going to be you know, mister

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mock the animal and it's growling at us, I grabbed

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the flashlight and I'm about to go into bushes, and

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I heard another one behind this one. So there's one

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growling one goes with it. So there were at least

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two of these things in there, but one of them

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was like going butth while And it was the same

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kind of response we have when I was a kid

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two hours away to the east and east Texas. So

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it just connected a lot of dots for me.

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You know, that is fascinating. It sounds like chester that

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you are an individual that knows all the wildlife in Texas.

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Oh yeah, this what you heard that night. It sounds

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like it's not even and close to anything else out there.

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The closest thing I've ever heard in my life of

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holler monkey in the wild of Venezuela, right, and this

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was it was the holler monkey. It was one with

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like Arnold Schwarzenegger kuhnn, the barbarian level steroids. I mean,

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it was. It was big, and it was intense, and

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it also, like I said, there was a scream at

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the end with the scream sounded like it was a

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scream within a growl, like there were two different sounds

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happening at the same time. It was really crazy.

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So that's interesting. That's a thing that comes up all

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the time where people will in their account still say, well,

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it sounded like this and like this at the same time,

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and it's very very interesting. It's like, how is it

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even able to do the two sounds at the same time?

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And I know there's a few different theories about that,

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But would you recommend individuals, if they're out bigfooting to

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do the same thing that you did that day where

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you're like kind of throwing stuff back at it, And

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what are your thoughts about that?

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So let me tell you a kind of a funny

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version of that. So we had gotten access to. We

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were there because Bobby Hamilton had talked to someone who

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owned this little parcel of property where there was a

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camp house because they had had encounters over the years.

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Right well, we had ended up talking to the people

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who live It was just a set of little camp

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houses in the middle of nowhere, and it was surrounded

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about thousands of thousand acres. Before us, there was the

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guy who was a bounty hunter the next property over,

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and we had talked to him, got access to the

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creep bottom on the back of his property. So we

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decided that would have been August of two thousands, so

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probably like February oh one. We went back into the

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bottoms out there and tried to camp out, and we're

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sitting in the tent at about the same time we had

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finally crashed out, about four o'clock in the morning, and

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we hear a green branch snap I mean pah, right

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by the tent, and then you hear footsteps by Pedle,

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absolutely by Pedele, and you hear a low growl, like

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a very similar growl we heard her like the you

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know months earlier, very low, and Bobby yells at me,

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don't you blank and growl at this one chester as

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we're cocking every gun that we had in the tent.

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But anyway, I never saw anything there, but that was

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do that necessarily. I just did it because I was

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so taken with what was happening. There was so much

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like what happened to me in South America with the

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Holler monkeys. It was as far as the vocals and stuff.

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So I'm just gonna growl at it, you know. And

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so what happened happened. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that, but

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you know, I'm still here.

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You know, true, true, So you know, use your own discretion, guys,

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when I would assume you probably are taking reports from

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Texas quite a bit.

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Yeah, I mean I don't like real super actively seek

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them out, but I get them a lot, you know,

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I do get them a lot, especially speaking engagements, and

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then when I do a Dark Outdoors podcast it has

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a cryptied element. I do get reports quite a bit.

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And I'm not only in Texas though, but quite a

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bit over because I'm on the Louisiana border here too,

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so I get quite a bit from Louisiana to.

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So if you've taken reports from down there, have you

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gotten some that are close to what you experienced during

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your time out? There are other people saying, yeah, I've

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kind of what I experienced was very similar as well

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in the same area.

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Or that's a great question. Actually, let me think. So

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I've had okay, actually on the same property, so the

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property where we had the encounter when I was a kid. Okay,

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after we kind of figured out there was probably did

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fut in these axis, we went back to my aunt's

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property and started doing it because at this point she

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had least like ten thousand acres for a hunting club

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and they sold hunting club membership, so they owned the

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eighty something acres in the middle and then they leased

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they ran around it from a timber company. Very common

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practice in East Texas for people to do that. And

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we had access through a lot of land around there

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at this point, and she kind of thought we were

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crazy about bigfoot, but she told me there was a

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coon hunter who went out one night kind of in

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that same spot and he had a growling happened to

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him that told that he said, I'm no longer going

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to be coon hunting here that my dogs got scared,

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and I don't know what that was, but it's nothing

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that's supposed to be in East Texas. So that happened

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in the same literal, same piece of property. I've had

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several people tell me that they had really scary growls happen,

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you know, in East Texas at there were areas they

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had really really scary growls, and that they had really

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intense vocalizations come at them and stuff like that. But

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you know, in terms of East Texas reports, and this

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is in my book Bigfoot South can get a Bigfoot

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South dot com. This book, this, this is the one

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that I think, out of everything I've ever like and covered,

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is the is the most interesting thing by a long shot.

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And it ties into the same thing.

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Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.

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So I'm a journalist and you're you're asking me, basically,

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have I found patterns similar to what I experienced? And

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so once again my aunt thought we were kind of

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crazy for the bigfoot stuff. And she told me the

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story and let me give my dad the story about

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the guy with kuon hunter. But she also told us

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about the spot where I had a deer stand out

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down there that one of the one of the one

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of the rabbit hunters went out one night down there,

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like the year previous or so and saw a silver

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bear on the on the highline right away, and I said,

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a silver bear. She goes, yeah. It was squatted down

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like a man, and when he shined his light on it,

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it stood up and looked at him and walked across

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this highline on two legs. And I went, silver bearh

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First off, this highline right away is like fifty yards wide.

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There is no black bear that's gonna walk fifty yards

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on across there on two legs. Period. Secondly, there are

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whitish phased black bears, but they're in one area of

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the planet in British Columbia. Okay, all right, so I said,

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so I knew that was definitely not that was probably

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a sasquatch. So I just kind of filed that in

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my records. And this was all very early on in

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doing this. So around two thousand or so, well I

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did a radio appearance on the topic as a guest

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in the same station that my show was on. A

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guy wanted to talk about Bigfoot with somebody in East Texas,

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and I did a show and then I had a

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guy called on the air, but he reached out to

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me after the show, found found found my number, and

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he told me that he saw what he said was

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quote a light gray colored bigfoot crossing the road and

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in front of this sign on Highway eighty seven and

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East Texas says Nichols Creek. Well, that Nichols Creek he's

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talking about is about four or five miles from where

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the silver Bear crossed the highlight. So I'm like, oh,

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nobody knows. This is before social media. This is no

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there's no corro there's no there's no corroboration here. You know,

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this is two completely different things. And I went, wow,

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Well I did another I did another appearance on another program,

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and I had someone reach out of I had said

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that one. I actually had several different reports come in

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from different areas of these Texas, but I had someone

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else reach out to me and say, hey, I was

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driving through Highway eighty seven one night, right at Nichols

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Creek and I saw what like what was like a bigfoot,

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but it wasn't real big. It was maybe like spot

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six feet tall, and it was slumped over in gray

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and kind of long a shere crossing the road, and

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they mentioned it being in front of the Nichols Creek sign.

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So now I have within a four or five mile

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area three bigfoot reports of a gray colored bigfoot pre

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social media in one area, and that actually at this

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point is expanded within about a seven mile area to

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five reports of that.

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Oh man, that's the stuff I love. Just you know,

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you start to narrow it down, and you've got such

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a small, relatively small area, and how over how many

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years would you say those reports span that you've taken?

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All right, So the latest one that came up came

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up last year, but it was a report from nineteen

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ninety six. They remember the year and everything, so I

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would say the actual activity extended roughly from nineteen ninety

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six to around two oh three right in there.

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Okay, that's fascinating. So is this the kind of things

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that one can expect to read in your book Bigfoot

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South then?

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Or Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that's kind of like

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my That was really the inspiration for me to do

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the to really go deep with or redo of the

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book because I had new information on some of those reports,

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you know, so I was like, man, I got I

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got some cool stuff to add, So that's definitely in

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the book, and it was you know, that to me

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is just really intriguing because number one, especially this is

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before really the Bigfoot renaissance on television and the internet happened.

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No one would have given you a Bigfoot report being

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gray trying to fake it back then. You know, that

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wasn't like you know, so that that to me is

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a little detail there that I think is fascinating. And

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also to the reports distinctly say it was really tall.

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It was like maybe sixty tall and slumped over. So

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that's interesting too.

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You know, it already sounds like an amazing book. Can

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you share maybe one other highlight that you always find

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yourself going back to when you're looking through your vote?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is the completely opposite side

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of thing. But it goes like I said, I worked

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in Bigfoot backwards. So this once again goes back to

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my childhood. But we have every year and it still exists.

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A South Texas State Fair, one of the largest fairs

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in Texas, and it was I can't for sure narrow

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down the year, but I've talked to my mom about

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it was either eighty four or eighty five, and I'm

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pretty sure it was eighty four. We walk in the

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area where they have like the games and the sideshow stuff,

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and there was a big trailer set up and it says,

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see the body of Sasquatch. So this was like a

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moth to flame here like through the rest of the

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fair as what I'm going there, you know what I mean?

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It was like this is so we walk in me

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and my mom, My mom had taken me to the

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fair that night by ourself, and my dad was working,

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and there's this glass case and you know, thinking back

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to this, this was very well done. It wasn't cheap.

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It was thick glass, nice display. They even had like

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metal signs of frame three fifty two, the Patterson Gilwan

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creature in there, you know. So it was like done

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really nicely. And I remember looking at this thing and

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just being transfixed. And what I remember distinctly about it

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were a couple of things. Its body was like it

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looked like to me it could have been six and

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a half to seven feet tall, but the body was

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kind of curled up a little bit, like it was

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curled up a little bit. The arms were curled up

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some and the face was round, a very round face

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with deep set eyes. I remember thinking initially like, I

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wouldn't think that that is what a big foot might

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look like up that close. And I remember my, well,

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I'll never thinking up that close and it had mailed,

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which as a kid, I was like, I don't think

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the tax ermist would have done that, you know what

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I mean, Like I was thinking my ten year old mind,

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eleven year old mind. And so when I rewrote the book,

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I had never talked about this publicly before. I went

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and talked to my mom about it, you know, because

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instead of being eleven, my mom was, you know, like

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thirty five. And she said, I said, here's the way

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I remember it, mom, because we live back. Like my

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mom said at least ten times that night, like I

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thought I wanted to go do was look at that,

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and she I said it was either really good special

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makeup effects are fairly bad tax at Ermy it wasn't.

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Just remember a few years ago when those dudes put

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the Chebacca coftume on ice and went shouldered everybody and

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sip it was a dead bigfoot. Oh yeah that that

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toward the country. This looked ten times better than that,

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and so I'm actually continually looked this was a major

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some dight fake or not. Somebody spent money on it,

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so I know other people saw that and it wasn't

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just for that fair. So if anybody remembers in the

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mid nineteen at early to mid eighties seeing a bigfoot

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creature at a fair, especially in Texas, please reach out

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to me Chester at chestermore dot com. I would love

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to connect with you and maybe someone knows who has

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this if it was a fake, maybe still somebody still

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has the case or the specimen or whatever. Maybe it

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wasn't a fake. But that was something that I thought

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was really very interesting because it was set up like

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it was a big deal. And you know everybody knows

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about the Minnesota Iceman. Well we had the Bigfoot of

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Texas at the Touth dept To State Fair.

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Oh wow, So I was just going to ask you,

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so it's it wasn't the Minnesota Iceman.

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Then no? Oh no, No, it wasn't on ice. It

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was like a it was almost like a mounted specimen,

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but it was laid in glass case. It wasn't the

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Minnesota Iceman. Nope, this is the whole deal.

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Oh man, so my audience is great with stuff like

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I hope someone knows what Chester is talking about, and

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hopefully you can put stuff in the comments. But if

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you really know, email me or actually Chester, how can

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they email you?

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Yeah, they can email me Chester at chestermore dot com,

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Chester at chestermore dot com. And yeah, you know, I

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would just like love to know. I mean, it was,

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you know, for a ten year old, I was suspicious

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of it being real, but it was cool either way.

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It was cool to see and it was like the

457
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.920
old But it wasn't the Minnesota Iceman. They didn't present

458
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.720
it as the Minnesota Iceman. It was not in Ice. Wow.

459
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.240
That that is gonna bug me for a while too.

460
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:44.119
I hope we could figure this out.

461
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.759
Well. I had someone message me on I mentioned it

462
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.119
on something I did last year, and someone said, in

463
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:55.039
the late seventies they saw a bigfoot carcass at affair

464
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:58.039
in Dallas. So you know, that would have been a

465
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:02.079
five or six seven year spread between then. But other people,

466
00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.480
thousands of other people have had to have seen this.

467
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:08.799
So I'm very intrigued by it, and it's something that

468
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:10.799
I like to tell because this is the kind of

469
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.720
little rabbit trails and make all this a lot of fun.

470
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.839
Can you tell us a little bit about what people

471
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.880
can expect to hear when they listen to the Dark

472
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:19.920
Outdoors podcast?

473
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.039
Oh, man, I appreciate you asking. So the way I

474
00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.839
described Dark Outdoors, that's true crime and terrifying encounters in

475
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:32.160
the great outdoors. I kept running into very scary situations

476
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:36.559
involving people in the outdoors, including getting chased off a

477
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:38.799
mountain with my father the first time I visited the

478
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:42.039
Willow Creek area up on a mountain by what was

479
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.880
absolutely people in the drug trade. We got chased off

480
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.119
a mountain and literally they were trying to push us

481
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.119
in their vehicle off the mountain. It's a wild story.

482
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.359
And I told that story on the air on the

483
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.480
radio show I did for a long time, and I said,

484
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:55.359
anybody ever had anything like that happen? And I couldn't

485
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.839
take all the calls. So the first episode deals with

486
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.440
I did three years ago with a lot of people

487
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.559
don't know. Ted Bundy did a lot of his horrors

488
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.119
in the outdoors in Utah. He took women into the

489
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.599
outdoors to do some of his stuff. But it also

490
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.279
deals with strange encounters and it deals with crazy bigfoot stuff.

491
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.640
The episode that got everybody's attention last year is when

492
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:20.559
I talked about a potential lost tribe people people see

493
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.960
what they call primitive Indians up until the nineteen eighties

494
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:27.240
in the area of Texas. And then also the kind

495
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:29.359
of tied into the feral human issue a little bit,

496
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.880
and we do animal attack stuff. I mean, actually, the

497
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.240
most downloaded show I did was about feral dog attacks

498
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:39.759
and it was terrifying show. And so it covers all

499
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:42.000
of the dangers in the outdoors. But it's a positive

500
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.359
program as well, because I say we're shining light into

501
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.680
the dark outdoors. Because I have a section each show

502
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.720
has a missing person that's fairly recently missing in the

503
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.759
wild somewhere, trying to raise awareness they're missing. We also

504
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:56.799
do a defense segment and tell people how to defend

505
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.880
themselves and stay safe out there. But it's stuff you

506
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.039
want to tell around the campfire, but not if you

507
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.039
want to sleep that night.

508
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.240
Oh that's awesome. So it's not just Texas stuff. It

509
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:07.799
can be from all over them.

510
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:09.480
Oh it's all over the place. Yeah, it's all over

511
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:09.799
the place.

512
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:10.119
Yeah.

513
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.519
So the episode that goes live, the next episode that

514
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:19.559
will be up is it's about wartime and animal attacks

515
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.079
that soldiers have faced around the world going back into

516
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.519
the First World War. And it is crazy stuff, I

517
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.720
mean like wild stuff. So it's all around. There's no

518
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.799
limits on where it's at. It's all around. But it's

519
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:36.839
everything from true crime to strange, strange feral human encounters

520
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.440
and Bigfoot and everything else. And Dark Outdoors is on iHeartRadio,

521
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.000
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all podcasts and platforms. If you want

522
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.279
to help my work, that's one of the main thing

523
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.400
to go subscribe to that program because we're trying to

524
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.519
really grow that and that's something that's really is an

525
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.079
independent media content creator. That's a big focus in mine

526
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:54.519
right now.

527
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.680
Absolutely, I mean yeah, I would. I would say listeners.

528
00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.759
It sounds like if you're listening to this, you're gonna

529
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:03.200
love that one too, So definitely head over to any

530
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.440
of those places where you listen to podcasts, look it

531
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:10.440
up and then subscribe. Reviews are important too, same for

532
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:13.160
this show, but sure leave a message like hey, Big

533
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.039
for Society sent me or something that would be cool.

534
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.480
That'd be great, that'd be killer man, you know, and

535
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.640
Big Society ask good questions. So you guys are listening

536
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.440
to a great program. You know, if you're if you

537
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.160
subscribe to this, promote this program, because he's asking questions.

538
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.319
I don't get asked a lot around here, So good stuff.

539
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.960
Oh that's that's great to know. Do you do you

540
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.680
investigate Bigfoot related things just in Texas or have you

541
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:37.400
found yourself in other states as well?

542
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:42.319
Oh? I've done stuff in Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, in California.

543
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:47.119
Okay, okay, okay, okay. So what part of California are

544
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.759
you are you going into?

545
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.000
Well? I I did, I haven't been in years.

546
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:52.640
Oh right.

547
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.400
We went straight for the we Witch, straight for the

548
00:28:54.480 --> 00:29:00.839
Jugular Bluff Creek, you know, yeah, which was like amazing,

549
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:05.319
you know, to be there, and so that was really cool.

550
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.480
And I've done a lot of stuff in Louisiana, and

551
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.400
I mean, the people will get the idea I'm like

552
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.440
constantly outlooking for Bigfoot, which I'm not, but I do.

553
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.720
I've done a fair amount of in the field research

554
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:17.319
and I get a lot of reports and stuff and

555
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.200
I just like the log interesting cases and reports and things.

556
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.640
And it's interesting to me to to like hear subtle

557
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:28.559
differences and reports in different states or similarities, you know,

558
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.640
those who those are very interesting things for me as

559
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:31.559
a journalist.

560
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.240
Absolutely over the years going to all these different states.

561
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.559
Do you have a place that has been a favorite

562
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.039
that you're like, Yeah, I would easily go back there.

563
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.720
It was just it was just crazy.

564
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.759
Well I didn't go up to the Bluff Creek area

565
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.880
up but that would be a definite, just because the

566
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.759
historical part of it, and it's so beautiful and I

567
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.480
love the mountains. But you know, more in the Arkle

568
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.680
of Texts region here, you know, I love all of

569
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:03.279
that area and falc in southwestern Arkansas. There's there's still

570
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:04.799
a lot of stuff that goes on. My good friend

571
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.079
Lyle Blackburn has uncovered a lot of stuff there, and

572
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.559
I like that whole Sulfur River Bottom area, that whole

573
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.200
area up in there is pretty fascinating.

574
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.319
Yeah, I would agree. I mean I get I get

575
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:20.119
some just absolutely wild reports from that area. Big for

576
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:39.119
society who will be right back after these messages? Actually,

577
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:42.799
I mean, any any of East Texas is just a

578
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.279
wild ride. Do you have any thoughts about why this

579
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:51.799
area just seems to have a ton of Bigfoot activity

580
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.359
in it?

581
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.839
It's very and it's a very interesting question. So when

582
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:58.839
I first started doing this, you know, when I was

583
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.799
like twenty five years old, twenty five years ago, there

584
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:06.240
were very few people that would talk about Bigfoot. Kind

585
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.640
of had to change my approach. When I ask people so,

586
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.880
and I really feel do this, I don't go going, hey, guys,

587
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.839
anybody down here in the campsina bigfoot lately? You know,

588
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.920
I'll just ask you know, what kind of wildlife are

589
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.880
you seeing? Have you ever had anything this unusual happened

590
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.799
down here with wildlife you can't explain, And then people

591
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.119
will talk about stuff. So I would hear the term

592
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:32.319
booger a lot. That was used quite a bit. I

593
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.839
had someone's I don't know about no bigfoot, y'all believe in.

594
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.759
But when my buddies saw a booger down on the

595
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.000
Sibbing River, and he described this friend of his who

596
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.160
went out because something was in his garbage. He lived

597
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.359
on the edge of the river in a can and

598
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.440
he brought us twenty two out and the head lamp

599
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.960
things about to shoot a coyote. And he goes out

600
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.480
there and this seven foot tall, dark brown hair colored

601
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:54.279
booger stands up and looks at him and walks off

602
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:58.519
down by the river. So there are places like Devil's Pockets.

603
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.480
You know, I think we're names come from people talk

604
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.079
about swamp devils and bush apes. So there was more

605
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.880
of that kind of thing. And then as the Internet

606
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.200
grew and people there's definitely was a disconnect between people thinking.

607
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.680
Even if like Legend of Boggy Creek, you look back

608
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.720
at that bigfoots mentioned like once in one section of it,

609
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.839
I remember that one guy is this maybe one of

610
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.119
them soft squatches or something on there is funny, but

611
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:32.079
you know, it was looking at something else. So the

612
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.799
Internet rising and shows like Finding Bigfoot getting popular kind

613
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.480
of showed that there was a similar kind of sighting

614
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.400
happening in different parts of the nation, and so that

615
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.119
really changed the dynamic of people opening up and sharing stories.

616
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.200
But that's a long winded way, but there are a

617
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.240
lot of reports historically that go back and people having

618
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:56.039
strange things happening around their camps and things like that.

619
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.599
But one thing I want to say when I filmed

620
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.759
with Animal X twenty years ago was my good friend

621
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.599
doctor Natalie Schmidt and Daniel Searle who also was there.

622
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.920
They were surprised, being from Australia, the forest that we

623
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.880
have you know, there are sixteen million acres of forests

624
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:16.839
in East Texas, so that's the size of multiple southern states.

625
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:22.279
You know, So there is plenty of forest, and there

626
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:26.559
are a fair amount of these dense creek and river bottoms.

627
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.359
And once again going back to legend body Creek, what

628
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:33.480
does it say he always travels to creeks right, Well,

629
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:37.039
that I believe is true. If you look at these reports,

630
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.720
they pretty much all come within close proximity of a

631
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.119
river or a creek bottom. And I think all of

632
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.480
that together makes it a good area of for analog. Plus,

633
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.440
the game is abundant. There's huge populations and faral hogs,

634
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.640
good populations and white tails, a lot of beaver, a

635
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.160
lot of nutria, a lot of small game. And so

636
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:00.279
there's food and there's cover, and there's these creek river

637
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.279
bottoms to allow, you know, good travel corridors or something

638
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.279
like that to stay sort of, you know, to travel

639
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:10.199
into areas but burmain and remain for the most part unnoticed.

640
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.480
That makes that makes perfect sense, thank you. You know,

641
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:18.519
having these connections within from what I can tell you

642
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:23.320
you you have interactions within the wildlife community down there, definitely.

643
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.599
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's my real that's what I

644
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:30.679
really do. It's just cool. Cool. Bigfoot's like a fun

645
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.239
little side part of what I do. But I really

646
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.119
involved in wildlife conservation work. So my my heart if

647
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.639
Bigfoot was proven, like okay, we've definitely proven Bigfoot don't exist. Okay,

648
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.840
it was fun. I had a good time, all right,

649
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.679
what did I hear? I don't know, but whatever. But

650
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.559
I'm still a wildlife fanatic and my heart is for

651
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.440
the conservation of our land and resources and things like that.

652
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.559
So I look at things as wildlife first, like I

653
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.039
go and look at it like if this is a

654
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.159
real thing that really is flesh and blow, which I

655
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.519
do believe it's got flesh and blood, maybe extra abilities.

656
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.239
I don't know that. I'm a wildlife journalist. I don't

657
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.559
cover that. I cover what crosses into the wildlife world.

658
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:12.480
So I have to look at it from what would

659
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:16.239
benefit For example, something I've really been digging into is

660
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.880
faral apes and primates in the United States. That was

661
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.800
my seminar series that all across the Bigfoot venues last year.

662
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:27.320
It was faro Apes and Primates and is there is

663
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.280
there the kind of land and foods and things that

664
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.199
would that would you know, make them thrive in certain areas?

665
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.440
And if there are something that can make up three

666
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.360
or four hundred pound primate thrive, then maybe there's something

667
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:40.840
can make these things thrive as well.

668
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:48.280
That's extremely interesting. Being someone who's who's very into conservation,

669
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:53.000
then have you ever had the thought about, Okay, so

670
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.440
what happens? You know, science proves that yes, Bigfoot is

671
00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:01.480
one hundred percent real, then what is our responsibility as

672
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.639
the people who are super into it? Okay? Are we

673
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.679
we're going to have to stand up like crazy for

674
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.880
conservation for this or do you have any thoughts about this?

675
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.559
I actually have deep thoughts about it. It's in my book,

676
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.079
all right. But back in two thousand and I think

677
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.719
it was four three or four, I put together a

678
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:26.159
loose group of people and we were calling ourselves, we

679
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.559
have we didn't. We just kind of said, if it's proven,

680
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:33.480
we're going to have to get together and advocate for conservation,

681
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.599
not in like a way we do land grabs and

682
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.360
all that kind of stuff, but like to let people know, look,

683
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:41.760
this is a species. It's important. We've got to know

684
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:43.679
more about them. We got we got to figure out

685
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.840
what kind of habitats or important habitat connectivity, all those

686
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:49.719
things we talk about the news now and we called

687
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.519
it the North American Primate Conservation Alliance, and it was

688
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.039
me and my friend Chris Stevens and Scott Marlow who

689
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.800
passed away, and Ken Garnhart was involved, and you know,

690
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.079
it just traded away as we all had different interest takeaway.

691
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:03.880
And I thought at that time there might be some

692
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.360
proving of it happening, which never happened. But I do

693
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.119
think this. I think let's just take the South right now.

694
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.480
I travel a lot, like I was in Cape Cod

695
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.920
filming last year with white sharks, and then I was

696
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.440
in Texas and then I was in Montana last year,

697
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.360
So I'm over a lot of different places, and the

698
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:30.039
amount of development happening right now is unprecedented, unprecedented, and

699
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.519
we're losing land and we're cutting off travel routes for

700
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:37.639
wildlife at an alarming rate. I mean frightening for me

701
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.679
as a wildlife lover, and so we got to look

702
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.239
at things like travel corridors. But I think in the

703
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.920
South in particular, the thing that's going to be the

704
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.519
big issue that's going to hurt a lot of wildlife

705
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.679
is going to be water, and all the water in

706
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.400
America is in the South. I mean that's where most

707
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.079
of the water is, right the South, a little bit

708
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.480
in the Northeast with the Great Lay and all that

709
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.079
of course up there in that part of the country.

710
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:07.159
But in the South we have major reservoir construction projects

711
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.760
on tap, and there's multiple reservoirs they want to put

712
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.800
here in East Texas and Louisiana that if they do,

713
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:16.119
we'll take up many hundreds of thousands of acres a

714
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.239
while I've habitat that will never come back, and so

715
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.159
I think looking at issues like that is important, not

716
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.519
just for Bigfoot, but for.

717
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:30.400
Everything that's extremely interesting. I have these episodes sometimes where

718
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.880
it's like, you know, the individual will see Bigfoot on

719
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.000
the outskirts of a city or something like that, and

720
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.079
I get a lot of feedback like, Okay, that's kind

721
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.719
of ridiculous. But then it's like, guys, like, look at

722
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.440
what's happening. We are just going going, and we're going

723
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:48.920
to run into Bigfoot eventually.

724
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.559
So I'm glad you brought that up. I think, going

725
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.760
back to what you ask about East Texas and all

726
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.599
these reports, I think a huge reason for what seems

727
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.679
to be other than you know, we have communications vastly

728
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.800
improved with the Internet. But I think the other reason

729
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.440
there's a lot more reports is because people are running

730
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.039
into them more. There is vastly more highway and roadways

731
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.039
and development and housing developments, and it's like everything else,

732
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.800
there's a lot more human wildlife conflict going on. You know,

733
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.840
there's a lot more people getting attacked by animals. I mean,

734
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.159
the Dark Outthers podcast has tons of shows on that

735
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.199
because of this habitat clash. And let me say this,

736
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.280
it's not ridiculous for people to think there could be

737
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.880
a big foot on the edge of the city. Why

738
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.639
would that be ridiculous? I don't I've heard that people

739
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.480
say that it's not ridiculous at all. I mean, there

740
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.840
is a mountain line up until these recent fires lived

741
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:48.159
behind the Hollywood sign in Hollywood. Okay, wildlife adapts and

742
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.639
these things adapt to. And the other thing is I

743
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.280
believe people see them a whole heck of a lot

744
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:58.199
more than they report. I believe people see them and say, oh,

745
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.400
that was a person or that was my ma nation

746
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.280
and they don't want to admit what they saw. And

747
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.440
so I think even around some of these urban and

748
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.239
suburban centers where there's good tracks of land. All of

749
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.280
them have drainage ways to go in and out of

750
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.480
perfect area. As matter of fact, some of those areas

751
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:18.000
are treaded on less than some of the national forests

752
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.760
we have. People don't go in the cities around the

753
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.559
wooded areas much in cities. A whole whole lot was

754
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.239
the Central Park in New York. Maybe a hiking trail.

755
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.719
There's a lot of green belts and stuff that are

756
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.920
on private land. No one goes into. That would be

757
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.519
an even better area for some. It's proven a huge

758
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.840
boon to faral hog populations, for example. So you know,

759
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.840
huge boon and they're like sanctuaries for hogs. You can't

760
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.639
go kill them in there, you know, you can't take

761
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.719
your you can't take your ar at night and go

762
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.840
in the middle of downtown house and start busting a

763
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.800
cap on some you know, some faral hogs, you know,

764
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.320
but they're all over. So I think there's opportunities even

765
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.679
for things like this to take advantage of some of

766
00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:58.239
this areas.

767
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.599
So you have Farrell hogs in the middle of downtown Houston.

768
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:06.000
Oh, there's farrel hogs in downtown Houston. I've seen them

769
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.760
own eyeballs, but they're there. There's Arrel hogs and sands

770
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.639
all over San Antonio areas. There's Charol hogs and Austen

771
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.519
Cherrell hoggs. There was a four hundred pound hog caught

772
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.639
a couple of years ago at a bus stop in Tampa,

773
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.440
Florida for kids.

774
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:20.079
My goodness.

775
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.559
Oh yeah. There is actually a number to call in

776
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.280
Austin when you see a hog. So they're all over

777
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.280
the place. And so animals adapt more. You know. People

778
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.440
watch these documentaries and they're like, you know, whatever, But

779
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:39.400
wildlife adapts, and there's a point where you know, there's

780
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.519
only so much peering capacity of land, you know, but

781
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.960
it's just because there is some development doesn't mean that

782
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.119
something can't live there. However, the chances of encountering what

783
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:50.760
lives there goes radically up.

784
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:56.119
Wow, I'm I'm going to be thinking about Farrell hogs

785
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.440
hanging out in the middle of big Texas cities. That's

786
00:41:59.559 --> 00:41:59.960
that's good.

787
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.559
The article I did on one I've had. I've had

788
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.039
my own encounters, like I've got game cam photos of

789
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:08.519
some and the biggest hog I ever saw in my life,

790
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.760
and I've seen probably ten thousand Farrell hogs in my life.

791
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:18.119
Was outside of a seafood restaurant one night in the

792
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:19.199
parking lot, you.

793
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.320
Know, Oh, my goodness, was like a multiple or a

794
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.440
few hundred pound hog too, Like.

795
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:27.760
Oh, it was more than a few hundred. This is

796
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.920
the biggest hog I've ever seen. So we're talking a hog.

797
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:36.679
This was one that was in the five hundred plus category,

798
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.639
which I've only seen in my life three hogs. I

799
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.960
think that would have tipped the scales bigger than that's category.

800
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.480
And oh yeah, I've got I've got barrel hog pictures

801
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.199
in the city. They're all over the place. Man, They're

802
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:51.400
like and they're real smart. So they're like, what happens

803
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.440
is all of these cities have drainage systems, and what

804
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.119
is on the edge of all these drainage systems acreage?

805
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.599
It might be open grass, it might be brushed and

806
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.679
these things. Where do they go out to a river,

807
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.800
a bayou which has travel corridors riparian areas. Hogs love,

808
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.719
they love to be around the water, so they just

809
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.679
travel up and down these things, and they'll go in

810
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:13.760
the city and hang out. If they get hunting pressure

811
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.199
on the edge of the woods. Le'll just go back

812
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.280
into the city.

813
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.960
Is this Do you think this is also the same case.

814
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.159
Just I don't know if you're familiar with San Antonio

815
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:23.360
area at all.

816
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:25.440
Oh, yeah, I'm a Santonio a lot.

817
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.079
Oh wow, Okay, so that makes so I've gotten a

818
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:31.239
lot of reports from San Antonio and there's a green

819
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.880
space that goes right through the middle of San Antonio.

820
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.480
Tons of bigfoot reports. And I mean if you've got yeah.

821
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.920
That's interesting that they're bigfoot reports from inside sentence.

822
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.119
On Yes, a ton that's interesting.

823
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.599
I'm a San Antonio a lot. My favorite Mexican restaurant

824
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.159
there is called Meti Era. As we go there for

825
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.119
twenty four hours. When I love I have to go

826
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:52.280
if I go through Santuni, we gotta go to Metiers.

827
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.239
But I love San Antonio. And yeah, there's a lot

828
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:59.079
of hogs around parts of San Antonio too, and uh

829
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.679
a lot of There is a lot of riperian like

830
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:05.159
areas within the drainage of like the San Antonio River

831
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.159
and all that part with creeks that flow through that

832
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.280
because I fly fished that before several times. And that's interesting.

833
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.199
Funny thing about San Antonio I didn't know there was

834
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.400
some legends a donkey woman, mm hmm something they called

835
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.119
something called. And this wonderful young girl had these really

836
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.840
cool decals she had done of different like crypto legends,

837
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:26.159
and one of them was the donkey Woman. And I

838
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:29.440
laughed for four hours looking at this picture thinking about

839
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.440
the donkey Woman. So I had to buy that thing.

840
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.320
And I haven't found a good place to stick it yet,

841
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.440
But I'm just when I'm runned to smile, I'm gonna

842
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:36.760
think about the donkey Woman.

843
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.880
Of San Antonio, you know there you go absolutely.

844
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.079
By the way, just for the record, I would be

845
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:45.760
far more frightened with seeing a donkey headed human in

846
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.480
a dress than I would a big foot. Yeah.

847
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.320
I don't know. It might be a toss up for me,

848
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.519
but I think i'd be I'd be freaked out by

849
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:58.400
either one. Yeah, going off of your your connections. Yeah,

850
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.360
And if you can't answer this is no problem. But

851
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.760
have you ever had any interactions with you know, law

852
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:11.159
enforcement or forestry or park rangers about bigfoot down in Texas?

853
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.519
I have never had forest service. A friend of mine,

854
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.119
Rob Riggs, who passed away about ten years ago, did

855
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.760
he had some good sources in the forest Service. Very

856
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:26.400
legitimate journalist. He's a newspaper man years. I have had

857
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.719
police though. I've had a couple of police officers tell

858
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:29.800
me some pretty cool stuff.

859
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.360
That's awesome, good good stuff. You know. It's it's something

860
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.000
we might not talk a lot, well really never. But

861
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.840
so you mentioned that you were up filming a thing

862
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.000
on Cape Cod about some sharks.

863
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.480
Yeah, I was not doing some work the media work

864
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.519
with the great white sharks. Yeah. So yeah, I am

865
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.360
working on a project right now, and I have a

866
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.400
blog called Gulf Great Whites dot com and it is

867
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.519
all about the return of the great white to the Gulf.

868
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.239
And I've been covering this story for twenty years. It's

869
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:06.880
a passion of mine. My favorite animal of the world

870
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.320
is a great white shark and I was the weird

871
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.280
cut saw Jaws. I want to get in the water.

872
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.599
So we have a very special project coming up this

873
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.199
June that coincides with the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws. We'll

874
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.239
be releasing about sharks. So I'm pretty excited about that.

875
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.360
And if you want to tune in some really interesting

876
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.000
stuff in the Gulf, my blog has a database of sightings,

877
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:31.920
anecdotal sightings, and then there's really cool things out there

878
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.599
you can contact. There's the Sharktivity app of the Atlantic

879
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:40.000
White Shark Conservancy that shows satellite pings of satellite tag whites.

880
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.039
Is also the shark Tracker app by o Search. Those

881
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.800
are free apps, so people can check that stuff out.

882
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:46.280
And I just love all that stuff.

883
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:52.920
That's awesome. Something I've been asking people that are you know, investigators,

884
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.280
researchers and things of that nature, is so if you're

885
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.480
going out, let's say you're going out to look for bigfoot,

886
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.800
do you have a do you have anything you follow about? Okay, first,

887
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.840
I'm going to do this or or are you one

888
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.960
of the people that you know you're more going to

889
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.320
start knocking on trees or maybe you have a different approach.

890
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.440
There's a couple of things. Number one that I make

891
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.239
sure and not do, which I think is more important. Okay.

892
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.559
Number one thing is I don't announce where I'm going ever,

893
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.199
you know, me and a friend or two that we go.

894
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.360
I don't recommend people going alone, you know, the too

895
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.039
many creepos in the woods, and plus you know there

896
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:34.840
are a lot of people that think these bigfoots are

897
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.440
like hippie peace snicks from the sixties and stuff, but like,

898
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.880
we don't know what they are. And there isn't an

899
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.639
animal on the planet, including white tailed deer, that hadn't

900
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:48.480
killed folks. So let's not treat a potential eight foot

901
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:50.960
tall primate as if it's a piece snick. We don't

902
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:52.599
know what we're dealing with, so be careful, you know,

903
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.440
just use the common sense, you know. And so I

904
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.480
don't help, I go, never go alone, and I don't

905
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.679
announce where I'm going. That does a couple of things.

906
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.440
Number one, your safety numbers. But you don't want people

907
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.159
to come in and mess up your area and fake things.

908
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.960
So if you're trying to have integrity about tracks and

909
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:12.880
calls and stuff, someone wants to go out there and

910
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.239
mess you up, which people would do these days. Keep

911
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.440
your area quiet doesn't make any sense.

912
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:20.239
You know that, That makes perfect sense.

913
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.880
Yeah, And that way you got integrity about I've got

914
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.199
I've got spots to be found of like tracks and

915
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:31.760
things before, and no one had ever mentioned bigfoot there,

916
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:34.400
you know what I mean, It wasn't like So that

917
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.719
to me is a lot more apt to be real

918
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.519
than if you put something out I'm going to go

919
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.840
out to the big ticket nets reserve in the Turkey

920
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.840
creeking that this weekend and you announce whatever. Vlahlah, there's

921
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:48.360
a big line of tracks there. Huh. Really, I don't know,

922
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.719
you know, So that's something I definitely don't do. And

923
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:53.320
I think the best thing to do is just go

924
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.519
out there and set up and find walk out, look

925
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:58.519
for tracks and stuff. You look for tracks. Look on

926
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.199
the edge of trails. If you see game trails, I

927
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.360
would you almost never would find a track in the

928
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:05.440
middle of it. I find them on the edge of it.

929
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.320
Walk in the edge also, look, you know, look all over.

930
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.800
Look for areas where like you know, we have a

931
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:14.920
ton of in the summer, in the late spring, we

932
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.800
have a ton of banana spiders and they're just jillions

933
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.760
of them in the woods. You know, if you've seen

934
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.480
an area where you know, these banana spiders might have

935
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.760
a web to three feet tall, up to eight feet tall,

936
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.599
and you have a whole area that's a giant trail

937
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.400
that's not a hard hoofed animal tracks like deer hogs

938
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:34.400
or even humans walking through, but a light trail that

939
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.800
goes up seven or eight feet cutting through the banana spiders.

940
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.360
Something's walking through there. So look at little details like that,

941
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.400
And the best thing to do, I think is just

942
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.119
to go out and in at night, sit in the spot,

943
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:49.920
make you a campfire or something like that, get some

944
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:55.559
good audio requarterers, and just listen. I think listening is

945
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.239
the best thing to do. And I think you're more

946
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.840
likely to have them come check you out. Did you

947
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.480
ever go out and find them?

948
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.039
I agree? I agree with that. Man, Texas is sounding

949
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:10.199
wilder and wilder. You're talking about huge spiders and huge hogs, and.

950
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.400
I take about snake shit.

951
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:21.039
Oh no, not not a fan. That's crazy. We have

952
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.000
rattlesnakes up here in Iowa, but they're they're few and

953
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.039
far between unless you go to certain areas.

954
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.440
But we got a lot of cotton mouse in East

955
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.360
Texas and a lot of copperheads, and cotton mouse are

956
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.800
really nice. We got timber rattlers then in South Texas

957
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.840
around San Antonio. All that. Of course, Western diamondbags, but

958
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:38.960
you know, it's just part of the gig. I brought

959
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:40.760
a friend of mine down here hog hunting one time,

960
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.239
and he went out. He was from New York and

961
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.000
when he went back home he called me and said,

962
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.079
when you come deer hunting with me. You don't have

963
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.480
to worry about two things getting cold and falling out

964
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.280
of your tree stand. He goes. In Texas, I had

965
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:56.360
to worry about killer bees, giant feral hogs, rattlesnakes, cotton mouse.

966
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:57.920
I didn't know what's way to look, you.

967
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:02.760
Know, crazy stuff, but it is. It's a state with

968
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:05.320
a lot of really cool accounts coming out of it,

969
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:11.000
for sure. Yeah, man, something I do want to I'm

970
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:16.199
pretty sure you had said that a white tailed deer

971
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.880
has killed a person. Is that right? Oh yeah, many times,

972
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:20.920
many times.

973
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.079
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, a white tailed deer,

974
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:27.679
a captive white tail deer, when I was probably twenty

975
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.880
years old started out my career, killed a guy about

976
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.039
five miles from my house.

977
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:32.960
Oh my goodness.

978
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.079
Yeah, with their hoods, with their antlers.

979
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:38.760
Oh oh yeah, that makes sense.

980
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.840
Okay, so when they're in there, when they're in the rut,

981
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.920
a white tailed deer is very, very very driven. It's

982
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:49.079
driven of an animals exist on the planet and if

983
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:51.599
someone gets in their way, or you know, you happen

984
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.039
to be in a park and think, oh it's this

985
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.199
deer locked up fighting. Let me walk up and get

986
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.760
a selfie. You know, you know, one of those bucks

987
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.880
gets loose, may come get you, you know, so you

988
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.320
know nature, you just got to respect nature.

989
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:10.760
You know, makes makes total total sense. Chester. It has

990
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.679
been just a pleasure chatting with you today and thank

991
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.840
you for coming on to the show. But I want

992
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.239
to make sure that we take some time at the

993
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.760
end if you want to share again, how people can

994
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.800
you know, keep up to date with you and you know,

995
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.760
listen to your podcast and where the best place to

996
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.280
pick up a copy of your book is as well.

997
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.280
Thank you so much. You can catch me at v

998
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.519
chester More. That's th V chester More on Instagram. I'm

999
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.320
on Instagram all the time. Higher Calling dott Net is

1000
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.360
my blog. But Dark Outdoors the podcast on all major

1001
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.480
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1002
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.480
to terrifying cripet encounters on Dark Outdoors and you can

1003
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.480
go to Bigfoot south dot com. Also, I have a

1004
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:57.800
big foot YouTube channel, Global Bigfoot that I've developed, slowly developed,

1005
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.239
but it's getting some good constant Global Bigfoot. But I

1006
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.039
also my heart is I have a ministry outreach for

1007
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.280
hurting children. I love wildlife, but I love kids even

1008
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.960
more and we have an outreach that grants wildlife encounters

1009
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.559
for kids to everything from a terminal illness to parental loss.

1010
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.239
And if you know of a wildlife loving kid that

1011
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.000
might want a wildlife encounter, a special wildlife going to

1012
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:20.840
give them a boost in their life, please reach out

1013
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.559
to me and go to Chester at chestermore dot com

1014
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:25.960
or go to Kingdom Zoo dot com from more info

1015
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.480
in that and we have done neumerous Bigfoot expeditions for

1016
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.039
kids in that category.

1017
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:38.440
That is amazing, what a cool thing to be involved with. Chester.

1018
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.639
Thank you so much for coming on. We'll definitely stay

1019
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.400
in touch with you and see where things go for

1020
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.000
you in the future and I maybe even do it

1021
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:48.920
an update down the road. But thanks again.

1022
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.760
Man. Hey, Matt, I tell you we thank you for

1023
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.280
having such amazing questions and you have a wonderful program

1024
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:55.840
and it's an honor and privilege to be on it.

1025
00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.679
Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank

1026
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.800
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1027
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Please take a minute to help out the show by

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1033
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all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've

1034
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had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

1035
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:35.199
someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

1036
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.679
Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

1037
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Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

1038
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:49.960
McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

1039
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.800
the north part. If you get what I mean. I'll

1040
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.320
see you back next time. Listeners. SASA Summerfest this year

1041
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July eleventh through the twelfth. It's going to be fan

1042
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And listeners, if you're going to go, you can get

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1046
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but BFS it'll get used some off your cost. Priscilla

1047
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wasn't nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So

1048
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there you go. I look forward to seeing you there,

1049
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so make sure you head over to www dot Sasquatch

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Summerfest dot com and pick up your tickets today