The Bigfoot Triangle Part 1: Uncovering Michigan’s Sasquatch Secrets

0:04 You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's story isn't from a casual hiker or camper. This one's from a man who's spent years chasing the myth of Bigfoot in Michigan's remote woodlands. But what he didn't expect was to become the target of an ancient, unseen presence, tree branches slamming down, eerie growl's echoing through the mist. And this isn't just a legend. This is the real, unexplainable account of Brian Sawyer and his terrifying encounters with a Sasquatch clan deep in the heart of Michigan's Bigfoot triangle. So stay with us, all right, bigfot Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Brian Sawyer today. Brian's an individual from the Bigfoots of Michigan and Bigfoots of America podcast.

0:44 You may have seen him on his YouTube channel. He's got some great content over there. But Brian, welcome to the show. How's it going, man, Oh. It's going good man. Thanks for having me on. Absolutely. You know I will start out with this. You had actually come up in a recent Michigan episode not that long ago, and I was like, man, I gotta have Brian on and hear what he's up to. From his side of things, I believe it was. It took place in the in a wildlife area around Lake Huron. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's it. Awesome, awesome, So we will definitely get into that later.

1:26 But Brian, you know, I would love to here before I let you go for it. You know, definitely would love to hear what got you in to the Bigfoot community to begin with. Yeah. Well, first of all, I'm an auto worker. You know, I work for the UAWS. I do the grind every day. I'm I'm midnight shift. That's my bread and butter. But on the side, you know, for g about ten fifteen years now, I've been an actor, you know, Screen Actors Guild actor. So when Hollywood comes to town, you know, I'm usually partaking somehow in one of the big films you know, they come into town. I might be standing in for a big star. I might be a supporting actor.

2:13 You know. The people I've met are Ben Affleck and Galgadott and Zack Snyder. You know, he's a director. Three hundred man hung out with John Hamm and David Harborough for about two weeks. And so yeah, I kind of make the rounds and do that kind of thing. Well out of that, you know, we kind of form an acting community here in Michigan. And then a lot of times we'll do a lot of independent films and we'll come up with concept ideas and we'll do what we call a pilot series or a pilot movie or something of that aspect. And I was on the set. I was hosting another pilot show called Pizza Monster, and I was on that show and we're kind of gathering information and eyewitnesses from you know, ghost eyewitnesses and just anything paranormal. Well, I met this guy named Aaron Young, and he's a guy from Gladwood, Michigan. And I'll tell you, We're all sitting around a campfire. We got the cameras rolling, and Aaron Young starts talking about his eyewitness encounter.

3:19 And that was the. First time where the bells went off in my head, like, holy crap, Bigfoot is real. Now. Prior to this, you know, I'm just like so many other Americans. You know. I saw the Patterson Gimlin film on In Search of with Leonard Demoy back in the seventies, and then that love kept going. You know, maybe the six million dollar man with Andre the Giant, you know, and every so often you catch wind of something and I mean at that level, not to insult anyone, but it's really just entertainment, you know. And then about ten years ago I started tuning into YouTube a little bit and getting more interested in the subject. But I'll tell you when Aaron Young gave his account.

4:06 That's when the bells went off in my head. And at the same time, my father had passed away, and I moved to Sandusky, Michigan, which is in the heart of the Thumb, and it's actually right down the street from where the Cast River sighting happened, just outside of Vassar, Michigan. You know, where that the supposed Bigfoot is crossing the Cast River and it might be holding a small or an infant sasquatch, and the kayaker got a video all of it. And you've seen that there's millions of views. I have different information on that encounter, and I'll leave it at that, but that got me just totally sike, and I said to myself, you know, we're gonna do this We're gonna do a TV pilot series and I'm going to travel around Michigan and I'm gonna interview Bigfoot eyewitnesses, and you know, I've got some connections with Hollywood, and then we're gonna we're gonna pitch this concept and we're gonna try to sell it the Hollywood and get it on, get it on a national platform or a major network.

5:12 And so that's how I got started. And through meeting all these eyewitnesses, you know, I've had my own encounters now and what's really happened is I've been connecting the dots, and as I connect these dots, I am just my mind is blown. I never imagined that it was to this level. I had hoped so me living in a thumb, I had hoped maybe there was hey one sasquatch in the area, you know, more than likely. In the back of my mind, I'm like, I'm gonna be going up to the up a lot, interviewing eyewitnesses because you know, only four percent of the population here in Michigan lives in the U and most of it lives in the Lower Peninsula, and everything I'm hearing, most of the sightings are in the up and this is when I'm just getting started.

6:08 But that is not the truth. And actually, without getting too dramatic, that is not, in some instances, the scary truth of it all. There are way more of these things than we ever imagined. And I've been going at it now saft for about two and a half years now. I'm out at least twice a month. My goal is once a week, and I'm following up on territories, I'm following up on eyewitness accounts. And there was this. Book Robert C. Brenner, he had written it, and that was one of the things that had kind of capitoled me as well. And it was by Robert C. Brenner as a book called something Bigfoot Sightings in the Thumb of Michigan, and then he has one i think for the rest of Michigan and maybe in the up and when you read that book, and of course other books, like you know, two of my favorite other books after that were The Creature by Jane Clement and and then of course big Foot, Wildman and Giants by David Pilate's.

7:11 So you connect all these dots and me going out and really it's a big shout out to all of the eyewitnesses that I've met and I'm still talking to and guys like Matthew Sexton. You know, well, let's rewind a little bit. Let's kind of get into how we started trickling. And now I would call this saying a locomotive. You know, I had gone out to be one of my first videos. I'd gone out to the caf River and I just started snooping around, looking for footprints on the river bank, just looking for any kind of evidence because in the back of my mind, this thing's a gigantropithecus. You know, it's just really logical. It's just a big ape that has, you know, cross the Lamb Bridge. You know, I'm just following narrative. And so I'm out there and I'm looking around trying to find evidence, and then I start getting contacted by people. And one of the first people to contact me was a guy by the name of Jim Ingram, and he had been up along the Black River, which is in the Port here In State Game area here in the thumbl Michigan, just north of Port Hereon, and he had gone out there camping with his girlfriend a couple of times, and he had gone out in this one section. Now that's state land and it's heavily it's funny because it's heavily.

8:40 Watched by the d and OUR Service. You know, you learn this. I mean, I've been out there, I don't know how many times now, and you learn the ins and outs of where to go, what to do, what not to do. So Jim is out there camping and he's kind of like, imagine like a rectangle. It's been mowed down by the d n R Service or whoever keeps up the land there, and it's the kind of a wrectangle. But on the two sides, on the southern side and the western side is forest. So what Jim sets up his campfire. He's got a girlfriend and they just get the campfire rolling. And now this, if I recall correctly, this is after midnight, and you know, they're kind of settling in and all of a sudden, they hear a growl coming from the south side kind of behind them, and they're a little bit taken aback, and they're, hm, what's that about? And it gets loudered into a full fledged scream, and then quickly after, on the west side of them, there's another scream.

9:48 And now they're kind of freaking out, and they said it was so loud. You know, the best thing they could attribute to or compare it to is a lion type growl, but a a little bit different, but just so powerful that it was jarring and it's scared. Then they said they're running through the mud and they're getting out of there. So a few days later, a couple weeks later, you know, like everyone, you're kind of questioning yourself and you're like, hey, that that really happened. So they go back out there. And they go to a different spot and the same thing happens, and they get out of dodge. So Jim starts. Coming back, you know, he kind of gets up his nerve and he comes back in the daytime and he finds a couple of footprints and a couple of different locations.

10:38 So he gets a hold of me and I go out there and start looking around, and let me tell you, immediately we started finding footprints and so and we're finding footprints in spots. Because one of my things is, yeah, I kind of want to be telling the truth as much as IPO possibly can. I want my stuff to be legit that I'm putting out there. I figure if anyone lies to me and anyone gets away with something that's on them. You know, I do always go back after my initial interview. One of the things I do is I always go back to the locations, unless it's private land, and we'll get to that. I always go back to the location. I don't tell the eyewitness when I'm going, and I get back out there and I do extensive looking around, and this area I have been back so many times and have fault. I found multiple footprints on my own. So then that leads. So that became our episode one of season one, and that one's called the Black River Bigfoot. So we're making a little bit kind of a little of an invent and I'm thinking to myself this time, I'm thinking, you know, I hope I can get one season, maybe two.

12:00 Hope that's what I can tell the studios. Hey, I'm gonna I should be able to deliver a couple of seasons. Maybe we'll get a feature film out of it. Whatever. Well, the next thing I know, I'm starting to get contact, you know, social media. You know, we didn't have this stuff back in the seventy in the eighties and the nineties, and social media. Is is to me, it's the best. I love it. I love people. I love getting to know people on an individual basis. Well, people start contacting me, and the next guy that contacts me is a guy by the name of Danny Skinner. So Danny Skinner. Now, now I love Danny Skinner. And the reason I love Danny Skinner is because at least once or twice a year, I get contacted by some hunter somewhere. And look, all due respect to hunters, especially here in Michigan. You know, it's basically an annual holiday.

12:53 How everybody heads north. You know, in Michigan, everybody's got cottages up north. You work down around Detroit and then you migrate up north into them in the summertime, up to cottages. You know, come fall is the big rush for hunting season, and you know a lot of population runs up north and starts hunting, and big shout out to these guys. So I do have a lot of respect for hunters. What I don't have respect for the guys who call now that I've learned. What I've learned is the guys who call me and they're very cocky and they're like, hey, you know, I've been out in the woods for a forty years now, and I ain't never seen nothing, and Bigfoot don't exist, and you're full of crap. So when you approach me like that, then I'm gonna come back at you. I'm gonna be like, well, what do you hunt at? Okay, So you sit in a tree stand, the same tree stand that you and your father hunted at, on the edge of a cornfield, and you sit in that tree stand and you come down, you get drunk, and it's basically a party for you, and you're the guy who's telling me that Bigfoot doesn't exist. Well, let me tell you about Danny Skinner. Now, Danny lives off the land.

14:11 You want to. You know, down south, we call them mountain men. He is in the woods every day. He's out there killing stuff, and what he kills, he eats and provides for his family. I had at this point. Look, let's be honest. I'm a city boy. You know. I grew up in the suburbs of Detroit. And my father passed away and that's why I migrated up to Sandusky, took over his estate, and I've been living up here over the past five years now. But you get up here in the boonies. You know where you're driving. Sometimes I'll drive anywhere from ten to twenty minutes and I won't see another car. And then you throw in nighttime and you're not seeing anybody. You throw in when I'm driving around because I'm up at all hours of the night, at two, three am and there's no one to the scene.

15:06 You got to watch out. I'm not for one or. Two deer crossing the road. You got to watch out for herds of deer crossing the road. So back to Danny. Danny's that guy who's out there every day. He lives off the land. He doesn't he's not an autoworker like half of us here in Michigan. He eats the squirrels, he eats the raccoons. This guy is hardcore. So Danny Skinner. His episode is called the Butternut Creek Bigfoot out of season one, and Danny takes me out, and it's funny because Danny's got an accident and he's not even from the South. He's from the woods. He's a woodsman.

15:47 And he takes me out and he says, you know, I've been out in these woods for you know, every day in my life. About you know, and my father before him and all this, and you know, my father had one story one time, but you know, you hear stuff. He said, book this one particular day, I didn't have my hounds with me, I didn't have anything loud on me. It wasn't carrying any bags. I wasn't carrying any guns. I was just going out deep into the woods to check one of my beaver traps. And he said, I was being quiet, whatever reason, and I came up over this little burn, this little hill, to see a huge black kind of like a brown, dark brown bigfoot just finishing up tearing apart a beaver dam. He said, I'm going out there to check my beaver traps. And he said, this thing just got done tearing apart a beaver trap.

16:45 Had maybe heard me coming and had started to move away. He said, Now this thing's in the beaver pond. And he said, it's about up to its chest and it's moving as it's moving away from me. He said, it moved through that. Like it was nothing, he said, and it's kind of looking back at me, keeping an eye. I mean, he gets to the other side, the other bank, opposite me, and he grabs a little sapling and pulls itself up out of the water, looks back at me and gives a huff hump, and then walks off into the forest. He said, now, I'm a guy who's been out here every day in my life, and he goes, I gotta be honest. I didn't really think they were real, you know, like I said, I hear stories.

17:32 But he said, until I saw it, he said, I didn't think it was real. He said, Now. I'm a believer, and he's like, I just want to get my story out because you know, these things are scared. Their presence, they're very being, is threatening to us because of their size, because of their abilities. You immediately recognize that you were out of your league when you're standing in the same room with these things. So Danny Skinner right off the bat, I kind of, I don't want to say I needed them, but I needed Dan. I needed Dan to kind of wake me up to the reality of Bigfoot, the reality between him and Aaron Young.

18:20 And we'll get to Aaron in a second. Between him and Aaron Young, you know, it had to register to me that, Okay, this isn't just entertainment anymore. I'm making a TV show. That is meant to be entertainment. But there is a reality aspect to these things. In a way, when you're going out and looking for these things, you're looking for a wild creature or being that may or may not come at you, and you're not. Going to be able to do it about it.

19:00 If they come after you, You're basically going to stand there. I mean, you're not even going to be able to run with all what. I could go on for hours about the things I've been learning. So Danny established that, Aaron established that, Jim Ingram establishes, Hey, we've got some evidence. Now we've got some. Physical evidence because too, you know, we have some very dramatic people out here, especially me with an actor background. You meet people, you know, you can. Imagine things, you can fantasize things. You can tell yourself that you saw a bigfoot when you really didn't.

19:43 You just saw the rear end of a deer or something like that, and. You can fantasize that you saw a bigfoot. But when you start meeting the eyewitnesses, as I said before, it's very jarring and the reality of these being, so these creatures, really comes into play. So right after that, I get a hold of. Aaron Young, who I had initially met on the set of the other TV pilot show, and I get out to Bladwin, Michigan, and I do an interview with Aaron Young. Now, it was so cool and with all due respect Aaron Man, one of my favorite guys, love him to death, but all due respect to Aaron. It was very interesting, not funny, very interesting to see his reaction as we went through the interview because he had never been back to the spot where he had his encounter.

20:48 Now. His encounter goes back so when he was in high school and I think he said he was a junior in high school if I remember correctly, might have been a senior and he was its Basically, him and his bodies were partying down, you know. They had a couple of buddies and they're going out and they got their favorite spot outside of town. They got a campfire, and one night they're around the campfire and Aaron's looking across the fire and his buddy, and his buddy has this look of terror on his face, and Aaron's like, Hey, what's going on? And his buddy's looking over his shoulder, and his buddies kind of squinting now and goes, do you guys see that big biker guy over there? And everybody turns around, Well, it was behind Aaron. So Aaron turns around to see this quote unquote big biker dude.

21:51 Kind of squatting down. Oh, it's actually sitting Indian style, you know, kind of like legs crossed. You know, you sit on your butt and most times, you know, I don't sit like dan Aymar. I'm getting older, but you're sitting on your button. Your legs are cross And they see this thing and they're trying to focus as to what it is, and this thing stands up and starts screaming at them, and once again like the Jim Ingram story, Aaron is like, this thing is so loud, it's so jarring. It's shaking our bodies as it scream and something that was myth has now. Stepped into reality.

22:32 And they're standing there and they're they're they're in full Terram mode. They're petrified, and this thing is screaming at them. She's more like a roar, and so they high tail it out of there and they get to the car and as they speed off, this thing is still there screaming at them. So this is his account, and he hasn't been back in this location. Aaron's about my age, and he hasn't been back to this location and since he was seventeen or eighteen years. Of age, and now he's in his fifties. And as we're doing the interview, and this is what I was kind of alluding to before, Aaron is still shaking.

23:13 So this is very serious. He's still shaking. He's starting to react to every sound that's going on in the woods behind us. And when you see that episode, that's episode three, and that one's called the Mosquito Alley Monster, and the place where it happened is called Mosquito Alley. Now it's been kind of transformed into sand dunes and a lot of four wheeling and you know buggy doombug what we would call doom buggies out there. But now the all the razors are out there racing around. But yes, so he is just looking around and he's petrified. And then that was an eye opener to me about the depth of how.

23:58 These things affect you. So going back to Danny real quick, his I think his episode is called a Butternut Creek Bigfoot. So Aaron is kind of the first example of someone who's been deeply, deeply affected. You know. Jim Ingram was very scared, got out of there. Danny Skinner was more of the jaw dropping, like, what the heck am I seeing? But Aaron's got full on you and really let me think here, I think the distance between Aaron and his buddies in this sasquatch man, what maybe twenty five yards. I'm gonna be able to see it in that episode, but yeah, maybe twenty five yards.

24:48 So his is more of a closer encounter where he actually gets. Eyes on and so he's deeply affected. So as a filmmaker, I'm processing all this and I am moving my thought process out of entertainment to how serious this subject is. So now. I am no longer I don't think I could be a skeptic anymore anyways, just because of how I see how these creatures affect everyday people like ourselves. So after that, I actually get a guy from Kentucky, Hazard, Kentucky, just outside of Hazard uh slump, Kentucky. I'm looking at I got a little key from the mayor of Hazard, Kentucky when.

25:40 We went down in film. But this guy name is Hank Krest and he's a Shawnee, Indian and his episode, of course, is called the Shawnee Sasquatch and he's from slump Kentucky. He gets hold of me and he's like, you know, he's got the deep Southern accent and almost to the point where I can't really understand him. And he's talking to me about Yeah. He's got thirteen or fourteen sasquatch down where he lives. And he's talking to me like if I was talking. About my kids, you know, like, yeah, I got you know, I got two boys and you know, the older ones doing this and the auger ones doing that, and yeah, they're doing good.

26:26 Well, this guy starts talking to me. Yeah, and there's this sasquatch and that sasquatch and the little ones come up to my house and I got a gifting spot right by my house. And this is the first time. So it what's so neat about this subject, which is so captivating about this subject of sasquatch is there are so many different dynamic levels to encounters two people's experiences, and so this is the first time now where I'm coming across I witness and I don't even want to call this guy and I witness because he has more of a family relationship with these beings. So this is my first guy where I'm thinking, Okay, this guy's got to be pulling my leg. So we hop in the car here in Michigan and we're like, you know what, let's do an outside of Michigan episode. And we cruise down there to slim Kentucky and this is this is Appalachia.

27:26 So I always joke because you know, I've gone down to Appalachian Mountains a few times. My mother grew up in Virginia. I'm kind of in the foothills, but to deep back in Appalachia. I really hadn't been exposed to that. And we get down there to slimp Kentucky and I'm white knuckling at you know, I'm just to Michigan, where, yeah, it's going to be flat. We might have rolling hills and stuff like that here in Michigan, but not to the extent of the Appalachian Mountains. So I'm white knuckling on these snake turns, these serpent turns, these serpent roads, and me and my girlfriend are making it back that's slim Kentucky and we meet Hank Cress, and he's a mountain man, you know, he is. My goodness, this was an eye opener for me. And we get to his place and he starts talking about all the Sasquatch and we got to get up to the top of the mountain.

28:29 You know, this big, huge, twelve to fourteen footer. He comes out every day about about noon and he's just kind of telling there's this other one and oh yeah, And then we gotta be careful because there's a woman's. A lady's ass watch and she got it. She's got a youngin and she just beat up two of our tribe kids. You know, they're Shawnee Indians. She just beat two of them up because they got too close to her. And she's protecting her young and so we gotta be careful by her. You know, she might come at us. And my mind is gone. You know, I'm kind of laughing inside, and I'm like, I can't believe this guy he's got you know, it's a whole different.

29:14 World, is what I'm trying to say. So we get out. Oh my goodness. You know, my son, to this day he had loaned me his f one fifty. You know, I've got a truck, which I actually should have taken my ranger because it was smaller up on those mountain trails, but you know, his better for the highway, so we took his truck, and to this day I have not told him what I put his truck through. His FORID f point fifty on the side of a mountain with a cliff on one side. So we get up there as far as we can, and I can't go any farther I'd get the trucks stuck. And we get out of the truck, and this particular you know, two track winds around this particular mountain until you get up to the peak. So we got about three quarters of the way up in the F one fifty and then we had to hike it from there. And we hike back up to the top, and it's beautiful up there.

30:12 We're finding black bear prints and just every kind of critter out there. And Hank Cress, Shawnee Indian, shows us where this big outcropping of rocket is and how this one particular twelve or fourteen foot almost like a silver back type bigfoot comes out every day, and we're like getting up there, you know, we get up there about one o'clock and he's like. Well, I think we missed it. So in the back of. My mind, I'm like, all right, is this guy pulling our leg? And he's like, well, they're all around here, and he said and I figured, I've counted about thirteen different ones. And so he says, let's get out and give out a yell, and I'm.

30:57 Like, oh, okay, So this is my first experience. You know, you've heard of the tree knacks, you've heard of the yells or the whooping, and you try to get an answer. So by this time, I've seen Finding Bigfoot and I understand what's going on. So Hank gives out a big yell and you can see this in the episode and there's no response, and so I'm like, oh, there you go, you know, because it's still in the back of my mind, I'm like, man, I don't know. If this guy's telling the truth. And then he says, well, why don't you have your girl give out a yell? And they like females, so they'll respond to her. So in the back of my mind, I'm still like, okay, whatever, pal and my girlfriend kind of giggles a little bit and she's like like well, I've never done one, and he's like, no, just just yell out, and so she does wha type of deal and immediately we get I think it's a rock clap down just down to the right at about one o'clock, and then a big grunt down to the left, maybe at about ten or eleven o'clock, and my mouth just drops and you can faintly hear both of these in the episode. And my girlfriend and I look at each other and we're like, okay.

32:19 There's some evidence. Now. Is Hank setting us up? We're not sure. So he's like, well, let's gift him. So at that time I brought I brought a watermelon, I brought pineapple, you know, the cliche, apples, all of that, and he's he has a gifting spot up there on the peak, and so we dropped those off and after that we didn't much hear anything. Well, then we start heading. Back and I hear a yell, more like a scream, and it was something I've never heard before. And afterwards, yeah, I looked up. You know, me being a city boy, I gotta look up. Okay, what does a podcast sound like?

33:04 What does a cougar sound like? Here in Michigan. You know, our populations of black bear and cougar are raising, and so but I hear the scream and Hank's like, oh, that's a female, and he's like, we need to get out of here. So we start coming back down and I turn around. And my girlfriend's like, hey, I think I saw something move, And I turnaround. I get off a couple of pictures, and unfortunately, nowadays, unless you have something that rivals to Patterson Gimlin film or the Paul Freeman footage, you know, you're kind of out of lock. But we do spin around and we get a couple of what I believe are individuals, these dark shadows, and they're kind of following us out.

33:50 So we get an see man. Another half hour, forty five minutes down the mountain, and we're not being yelled at anymore. No more pictures were back in the f one fifty and we're driving down and I'm thinking to myself, Okay, did that come all this way for that? I would like some more evidence, but you know, it is what it is. It's neat to. Hear Hank and his account and his relationship with these things. So I'm like, okay, you know everything that happened could have been. Possibly Sasquatch. I can't confirm it. But as we're driving down, something happens and it's very slight and off the cuff. And as we're driving back down the two track, Hank says, oh yeah, and he said and.

34:38 That's and it's real quick. It's only a momentary thing. He says, Oh, that's a that's a side of a mountain where they cut through all the time, right here and there. And so my mind, you know, bell goes off. I'm like, okay, we might have evidence. And I look over. At the slope side of this hill. It's you know, there's like a hill on top of a mountain or on the side of a mountain, and I see all these impressions and my mouth is dropping. I'm like, you gotta be kidning. And this was just something that Hank, you know, I'm always careful about being orchestrated or pointed in the right direction, and. Hey, we got to be at the top of this mountain. This is when the sasquatch, because that's when you can get set up. Well, this was something that was very slight. Oh, that's where they come up and down. So I get out of truck and I walk over there and this hole, I'm flabergacid. This whole side of the hill is covered in footprints. And then the episode you can see where I measure out a footprint between twenty and twenty two inches long, maybe twenty three inches long, and it coincides with a straight line, you know, not like us humans kind of a little bit side to side our walking path, but their footstrips are straight in line, and it's going up the side of this hill and destrid between the two footprints I'm now looking at at twenty two inches is six feet going up and beautiful footprint impressions, and they show that indiep Vilo, and then there's multiple other ones.

36:09 So something that Hank has said just kind of off the cuff. So unless he ran out there and put all these impressions, and I'm talking a lot of impressions too many to count, you know, there was some more evidence from me. So I'm highly intrigued by this and very happy by that. So then we get back to Michigan and I meet Kim and John, former members of the BFROL, and we'll make this one a little bit quicker, but they have multiple encounters which needed about Kim and John. There are episodes five and six out of season one. One of their accounts is when they see the sasquatch, and the sasquatch have eyes that are almost like flashlights, and that is one of the encounters that stands out to me, and I believe that was up in the northern part of the Lower Peninsula. So after them, I meet Chipewah Indian Aaron Spencer, and I'm getting out to the woods. Aaron has had many encounters. He had when he was a kid, a big auburn colored sasquatch, and then he's seen a white one and then but his most prominent sighting was he when he was fishing, this particular sasquatch had kind of snuck out behind him and then had gripped a log with its foot, almost like an orangutan foot, and had made a sound. And Aaron turned around and this thing, I think this thing was

37:41 grinning and showing its teeth. And Aaron streaked and just rightfully so, and ran across through the water, across the river and ended up coming back the next day and his string of fish had been taken. Well. Aaron Spencer is where the light bulb went off in my head and I realized that me living here in Sandusky, Michigan, that I was in the middle of what I now call the Bigfoot Triangle. And what that has to do with is where Aaron's sighting was was along the Cast River. Going back to Jim Ingram's sighting, and we'll talk about Matthew Sexton here in a minute.

38:23 Their sightings were along the Black River. Now, the Cast River runs from southwest to northwest and the Black River runs from you know, southeast to north west, so it's basically a triangle. And they meet in this place called the Minden City Swamp. Well, after some research talking to a guy by the name of Valsavalla, who does a lot of. The data collecting here in Michigan. Great guy, former police detective, private investigator, just has an immaculine database of sasquatch sightings and evidence and has had his own sighting as well. He had helped write the book.

39:04 And so, long story short, there had been a DNR siding with a d n R official in the Minden City Swamp and he had come face to face with an eight foot black Sasquatch. So I've got two sides of. A triangle, and the point being the Minden City Swamp, so the western side of the triangle being the Cast River, of the eastern side being the Black River. So we'll get off track a little bit from the episodes. I get a call from a guy south of me, and this guy runs a new diest camp, and evidently they had some sightings in this newest camp. They're out there partying nude.

39:45 In Emmett, Michigan, which is along the I sixty nine corridor, and evidently they're having a party one night at newdist party and all sorts of music and dancing, getting kind of crazy out there, and all of a sudden, a group of Sasquatch start moving in. So I go out there and. I interview them and take a look around. But I start connecting the dots, and then I find out there's another sighting just down the street in a place called good OL's, Michigan. And I start realizing that as I dig into this more and I'm pulling out all these eyewitness encounters that I'm actually in the middle of, like this triangle where the Sasquatch either moved back and forth or there is a large population of them. And when I say large right now, I'm thinking, with everything I know right now, just in the Thumb of Michigan. And this is one of the mind blowing things. There's way more of these things than we ever thought. Where I originally thought, hey, maybe there's one sasquatch in the Thumb of Michigan, there are This is gonna sound crazy, but off the top of my head, in the Thumb of Michigan alone, there could be anywhere between twenty and thirty sasquatch. Now, if you know the Thumb of Michigan, that's a lot because we've got a ton of farmland here. So the

41:16 question is is they're here and you know where are they? And well, they're by the rivers. They're staying by the rivers, and their main food source is deer. They also, as we found out with Mayland skinner, they like beavers, they like small rodents. They're eating whatever they can. I think they've been taking chickens from some of the farmers as well. So I'm starting to collect all this evidence. Aaron Spencer's taking me up and down the cast River, giving me a lowdown of all his sightings, and then so being here in the thumb of Michigan, living here now and driving so much, and now see twenty minutes of forty five minutes between towns. I'm like, how come somebody just hasn't seen one of these sasquatch walking through a farmer's field.

42:05 And I swear I say that. And within two weeks a guy by the name of Gals La Fave contacts me and he gives his account and he's an episode looks like eight, episode eight where hey, gals of Fav is driving to work and all of a sudden he comes up over this little hill and there's a big kind of like an orangutan color, you know, if you know, He explains that. Giles says, if you know the car hearts suits where they're kind of tanned but kind of reddish. He said, that was the color of it. And it was walking through a farmer's field, and when he came up over the hill, this thing stopped. And so we went to in that episode, we went to that location we filmed it. I believe that one's around eight nine feet and gals was just taken aback about the size because they literally looked like a tree stump.

42:57 You know, he had seen it moving and then stop and he said, you know, this thing's as big as a tree trunk standing there. And so we start connecting the dots. And there's a place called the Petroglyphs just north of gals As sighting and I go there later. I've been there on two different accounts. I've found footprints, I've actually had a whoo right in front of me, and so that is an amazing, amazing spot there. So as the season's. Going on, I get, you know, we finished up a couple more episodes. We've got a guy from Colorado who comes into town. Guy by the name of Garrett Grimm.

43:42 He's a great tracker. We go out and we go to the Black River area where Jim Ingram and Matthew Sexton have had their sightings, and we go out and we find footprints and we castle in those footprints, and I've got that sitting in my podcast studio. And so the dots are just connect and connecting. And so now I finished up season one and the phone is ringing off the hook, and I got people lined up for season two and bleeding into season three. So we start filming season two and then I start getting head up to traverse city and I meet Sherry Redu and Cherry Redo.

44:25 Her encounter is really cool because she's someone else who didn't believe in Bigfoot, and she's walking along the shoreline of Lake Michigan and some activity starts happening. Things are thrown at her, and she comes up the bank and there's a sasquatch. She can see the outline of it because it's getting kind of dark outside, and it's shaking this tree violently, and so she runs to her truck and as she's driving off, this thing throws a branch at her, so she hadn't. Been back and she is shaken. And so in season two episode when we get out there and we take a look around and she's talking this is soon after this is man was that a week after she had her sighting. So I'm like, well, if you had this sighting, there's probably some footprints around, And sure enough, we get a footprint out of that one.

45:11 We get some evidence, and her encounter is a very dramatic Encounter two, and her sighting is the first time we start talking about that these creatures could be inter dimensional and something spiritual. So then after that, I meet a guy by the name of Jerry Lentz, and he had seen Orbs on his property back in the Thumb of Michigan we filmed that episode. He believes he's seen him Sasquatch out of the corner of his eye. And I'm kind of connecting all the dots to the Black River. And then finally Matthew Sexting gets a hold of me, and I think Matthew is the guy.

45:53 You know, I need to jump in for context so my listeners get what it's about to be said. So matt is the individual I talked to most recently in episode seven from the port here on State Game Area. Okay, so go ahead. Yeah. So, so now our minds are about to be blown because up to this point, Sherry redus episodes getting a little bit, you know, on the spooky side with some of the things, and a lot of that we didn't put on film because we were Arry didn't know a few wanted it out there in public, and I totally understood, so we kept it pretty much a generic episode for that.

46:36 So here comes Matthew section and Matthew, you know, I wish I could see that guy every day. I consider him one of my best friends, one of my most authentic eyewitness, And Matthew starts telling me about his twenty year kind of relationship with these with a Sasquatch clan out the. Port here in state Gearing area. And Matthew's talking about how, you know, I think his apartment complex was shutting down and getting remodeled. So matt Man, being the kind of the camper he is, he gets out there for one summer and he's, you know, he's going to work, but he's spending the night out in the tent out in.

47:18 The woods along the Black River. And he starts hearing. Growls, he starts hearing noises, he starts hearing woodknock And what I love Matthew is in so many different accounts, Matthew is an eye opener because he's the one who points out to me first of all that you know, I when I'm out overnight, I start hearing these wood knocks. And so when I hear these woodknocks, I'm running to the tree where I think the wood knock is coming from, but I'm not seeing any marks on the tree. So Matthew is like, hey, man, I think these wood knock sounds could be coming from their vocal cords.

48:01 This is a. Sound, some kind of location method that they use from their vocal cords. And now thinking on the big scope, this huge subject of sasquad and this can be used for locating one another, like if the Bigfoot are in the Klan and they're trying to locate one another and they don't want people to know, you know, with necessarily a howl if people are around. And the port of your state game area is not too far out of town, this what I still consider an urban area. So Matt is out there and he starts hearing these wood knocks, and then he starts seeing strange things like clams stacked up on the river bank. And Matt does it better, of course a storytelling about all his encounters. But he starts seeing clams stacked up on the side of the river.

48:54 He sees deer stacked you know, two or three high, and then finally he knows they're there, but he can't see him. So he gets a little bit frustrated. He finds out that Hey, Lucerne, Michigan is one of the places where you can see sasquatch, So he goes out there and he has his first eyes on can encounter within ten feet. This huge, and I think that was an a ring attained colored reddish colored sasquatch too, he said, huge. Where it took one step and it you know, it cleared, you know. He at one moment it's on the right side of Matthew and the next moment it's on the left.

49:36 And one of the things that Matthew points out, Matthew really describes these things in a deeper way, you know. He describes the finger of these sasquatch, that these creatures are built for cold weather and durability. He noticed that when this thing looked at him, Matthew rightfully he lowered his head as to nat challenged this what I would call an alpha male. And with that that alpha male, even though it was so close, it kind of left him alone. And I think it was even stopping Matthew because, like matt said, you know, the rest of the clan might have been in just nearby feeding on a deer deer that he.

50:20 Thinks they may have just hunted. So that's Matt's first big, you know, kind of sighting. So then he's re energized, so to speak, because he had been disappointed in the foot in. The Black River area. So he gets to the Black River area and he starts seeing finally the Sasquatch clan there, and I think, man, he sees what maybe when I think two to four different individuals, there could be two adolescents and an older brother or an alpha male, which I think maye. You know, this is me kind of connecting the dots. You know, it's a hierarchy in these clans. It's about male dominance, you know, kind of like a lion pride. These things are predators. And I got the feeling, and you know, and I'm putting together all the different footprints I've found, so I think there may be two adolescents, maybe in their late teens, early twenties, and then you've got a bigger alpha male which could be the yelpha male of the klan, which is maybe in its thirties or forties, so to speak. And then Matt had talked about one time where he came out of his tent and was crawling out and he saw a huge sasquatch.

51:37 With a young kind of a child sasquatch. And when Matt came out, this huge sasquatch but MaTx said it was the size of a rhinoceros Matt said, he came out fell this huge thing and it kind of drew in the younger one closer to its side, and Matt just put his head down and kind of scooted back into the tent. Well, I think that that huge sasquatch, the size of a Ryan Ashworth may have been the female, because I had just recently prior to that, had heard about one of my other eyewitnesses where the female was actually larger than the male. So I'm not saying that's all the time, but sometimes the female could be larger than the male. So I get out there and this is when I first start having my experiences, you know, the reality For me, I'm seeing the different footprint we came up. We didn't know overnight, and we came up to one of Matthew's favorite camping spots and we just went down to the river bank and immediately found somewhere between definitely two, but I would say up to four different sets of footprints. Now, with all the footprints and the pictures I take, I always separate the footprints, but these footprints were together. And what freaked me out is it almost had looked like the sasquatch had jumped so it's hard to explain. There's kind of like a

53:08 small cliff which is about fifteen feet up I think where the campsite is, and then to get down to the river bank you gotta kind of climb down this little cliff. But in this particular area, it's anywhere from ten to fifteen feet high. And it looked like the smaller sasquatch, which could have been And this is what I believe. So this is going back to the Jim Ingram accounts, the Matthew Sexton accounts, me getting out there on my own all the different footprints. This is I had found a baby squatch footprint at one time. And so this is over a period of two years. And now I believe these things grow extremely fast. You know when they're key, when they're a toddler, you know, they're the size of the ten twelve year old.

54:00 They're growing fast. When their adolescents, they're six to eight feet funy way, if we get down to the river bank, and it seemed like looking at all the footprints, it seemed like what had freaked me out. It seemed like the adolescent had jumped from fifteen feet up in the air down to the river bank and landed on two feet. And side by side. Because the footprints I have the pictures, they're about an inch sunk into like an inch into the river bank. And at that time Matt's like, hey man, he goes, I know this sounds crazy. He said, take off your shoes and socks. I want you to kind of experience.

54:47 You know what I've done before, so you know on my mind, I'm like, hey, Matt, Matt, you are the man. Whatever you want, I take off my shoes and socks and I put my one foot to next next to one of the male what I would think adult footprints. And what I realized what was so mind blowing was that I could barely stand on the river bank. It was at a slight slope. It was so slippery, slippery, I could barely stand up. And then I couldn't make an impression. It was like this hard clay. So I'm looking at all the footprints at different levels of indentation, and I'm like.

55:31 It's that that child sasquatch had to jump off the fifteen high cliff and land on the river bank to make that. Deep of impressions. Because even a couple of the adults, I think I had two adults impressions. They weren't as deep as the as a child, but they still were, you know, maybe half inch into the soil. I've got one. Yeah, that's pretty deep too. So I'm like, fully, you know, my mind's getting blown. So now I'm experiencing my own. Encounters. You know, I'm starting to its starting to really sink into me the reality of these things. I can't stand up on this river bank, but they can. I can't make an indent in this hard clay bank, but yet they're gripping there. They're standing there, and then you could see where they in Matthew Sexton's episode in season two, I call it the river Walkers because to me, they had come off the soil, off like the normal force, onto the river bank, and they had walked into the river bank. I believe they walk up and down the river bank. So we're camping out, we're doing this whole episode, and we're filming, so we do an overnight and this is where I you're a sasquatch talk Now, it is

57:08 an experience like I've never had before in my life. This up to this point, I'm still. Leaning physical biological creatures. But now I've met Matthew Sexton. We're talking about portals. We're talking about these things, zapping in, zapping out. Yes, you do have the footprints that appear out of nowhere. I've got those footprints where you've got one footprint and there's none around, or it looks like they shimmied up a tree. But when you start experiencing these things physically, it changes your opinion and outlook on these things. You can be an armchair quarterback all you want, and sit in your frickin lazy boy and watch YouTube videos and have your opinion about about bigfoot all you want, But until you experience these things, you don't really know.

58:24 And I try to be respectful, but you don't really know what you're talking about. So we've got camp set up and we've got a fire going. Matt and I are both hard working men, you know, we're hands on, blue collar guys. You know, Matt is a camper, he knows what he's doing, but yet I'm still a city boy. He's got to help me set up my tent. And so the night comes and you know, we're just hanging out having a good time. Matt is tired, he works day shift, gets up early. He passes out.

59:05 I'm on midnights, man, you know, I'm feeling pretty good, and so I'm just hanging out. He goes to bed in his tent, and I'm still hanging out by the fire. And finally I start getting a little bit tired. But I know in the back of my mind that every eyewitness I've been talking to in Michigan is telling me that these things come out at night. And when they do come out at night, it's not the latter midnight. And one of the I want to insert this real quick. It's not that we haven't had other sightings here in other months of the year, but let me tell you right now, July, August, and September here in Michigan, that's when you're going to see these things.

59:52 That's when you're going to experience these things. I always think about the connection to everybody knows the Predator movie, the original one with Ernest Schwarzenegger, and then you've had the other ones. But in that movie, the young Hispanic gal, when she's explaining the Predators. She says something. He says, they always come in the hottest years. Okay, here in Michigan, July, August and September are the hottest months. So I have been kind of doing a diagram connecting the dots, and I'm realizing that these things, they'll come out till after midnight, and they're more active seemingly in July, August, in September, at least here in Michigan. And Matthew falls asleep, I climb in my tent and I'm laying there.

1:00:53 And I'm just thinking. And honestly, I'm not thinking I'm going to experience anything, but in the back of my mind I know about the Jim Ingram encounter. Some of the things that Matthew has told me about this particular plan is they're a little bit rambunctious. They're gonna let you if they don't want you in their area, you're gonna get chased out, you know. So I'm laying in my tent and I'm thinking about all this, and it is just like so many people say, all of a sudden, it's like the air changed.

1:01:38 And the stillness comes. In, and my physical body is reacting to what I would call a presence, a presence of stillness, and it's very quiet, and then all of a sudden, right over my tent, a huge smash. Like somebody had taken. A big, huge branch and smacked it over the tree, across the trunk that my tent was tied to. And immediately I'm jarred. And then I hear a couple of twig snap. Now I'm still inside my tent. I hear a couple of twig snap kind of what I would just easily say to the left and the right of me.

1:02:41 So I'm getting the sense there could be two things out there, but it's quiet. And then, just like so many people has said before, this across my tent, like something had run its hand across the length of my tent. And then I hear something. I have never heard, and I don't know if i'll I hope to hear again. I can't explain.

1:03:21 It only in the sense that it was a sound that I've never heard before. It was lower in tone in frequency than I'd ever heard before. But I knew immediately. That it was a language, and it was a two It was either two words or a two syllable word. And I'll try to mimic you here, but I never do it, just but I want to get a few give you a feel for what I heard, and the sound was this, but so much lower.

1:04:07 The frequency. All I can say is it was out of this world. And my chest immediately clenched up. I'm like, I'm pulling muscles in my chest, in my back and I'm clenching up. I'm laying on my side in the tent and I'm listening to this and so and that sound came from over by Matthews tent. But I feel like I've got something to the left and the right of me, and it's just quiet. And then all of a sudden, what I call this presence slowly moves away and the normal forest sounds come back back into play. I'm scared to death.

1:04:57 I gotta admit, you know. I have tried to prepare myself. One of the things I do on a daily basis is try to prepare myself for when I do have a close encounter. But this had changed me. The reality had changed me. And in the episode, which is episode ten The River Walkers of season two, you will. See where I explain what happened. And the night before we had set out kind of on the perimeter of our camp apples. Matt had said, hey, man, these things love the big red apples and so that's what we had left out and what was so crazy when we came out the next morning. And part of the reason, let me get back to this, I didn't want to come out of my tongue. I didn't say this, you know. I was just a little bit too scared.

1:05:54 I knew what Jim Ingram had told me about these things. I knew some of the explanation that Matthew had told me. But reassure me the hete you know, well, first of all, you're with me. They know me really well. They know my smell. So remember I said that, And they're not gonna bug it. In fact, we're probably safer than any spot we could be in. No bear going to come in here, no cougar gonna come in here, because this Sasquatch clan will take care of business. So I was too afraid to come out of my tent. And to this day I hate saying it, but I remember that moment when I heard what I believed to be a Sasquatch voice from the alpha male. Because when we come out next morning, we've got apples that we had set the night before kind of in a perimeter.

1:06:42 The only apple that was taken was the apple that was at the location where I heard the voice by Matthew's tent, and that blew my mind. Now, later talking to Myerokee Indian friend Sean Pattick from Oklahoma, he's got a great encounter. His sasquatch looked was huge and looked it had a human face. So we'll talk about that sometime. But so when we came out the next morning. Only that apple is gone, and Sean had told I kind of explained to him what I thought I heard, and he said, well, that could have been wood dock, which means thank you in Cherokee.

1:07:33 And he, you know, he's like, well, make that sasquatch. And this was something I was thinking. Took that apple and said thank you to matt Now, this is just me trying to connect the dots that alpha male they know Matthew smell. Because here's the thing. Don't just go on into the woods think you're going to find something, because you're not going to find something. These things are in certain areas for reasons. Number one, they always have to be near water. Number two, they are always hungry, so if they're near water, they're getting their water intakes for the day. And they're in an area where all the local prey are going to come in to drink water, excuse me, and so it's easy for them to pick off pray, whether it be beer or beavers or whatever.

1:08:25 But Sean had said that if it was Wouda, I thought was why do. He said that could have been thank you in Cherokee, and that this alpha male might have been thanking Matthew for the apple because they knew Matthew's smell, but they didn't know my smell. So I was wondering. Okay, so they knew Matthew, Let's say they knew Matthew, they took the apple, said thank you to Matthew. But they didn't know me too well. And they were kind of intimidating me a little bit by crashing because they were broken branches. You know, it was near the fire, so it was hard to tell.

1:09:09 They were shocking me a little bit a little bit of intimidation there when they broke the branch over the tree where my tent was tied to the twig snaps. I believe they know everything they're doing, They know their intimidation tactics, and then they stroke my tent. But yeah, you can see all of that in that episode ten the River Walkers with Matthew Sexon. So now fast Watch is. Coming into my life in physical reality, and man, I will never I will never forget that voice I heard, and I, like I said, I hope I get to hear that again, and I believe I will. So now I've got footprints, you know, I've experienced what footprints or light?

1:10:01 I've heard a voice. And soon after this, I get contacted by what I'm allowed to say. So I have an agreement with these Sasquatch eyewitnesses. I'm allowed to call them landowners off the coast of Lake Huron up by Port Sanilac, is what I'm allowed to say. I got invited to a private location. By a human family, four different four different members of a human family that have seen what we figure to be two to four different Sasquatch.

1:10:42 So they invite me out to their property. Now read it out there, and immediately my girlfriend's very intuitive. She believes she's seen them looking out from behind trees at the Aaron Spencer location. There's so much information to Jeremiah. I'm sorry, you know, it's information overload since I've been doing this, but so I've got my girlfriend out there with the landowners, and we get to this spot and it is an amazing spot. There's everything there. There's water, there's fresh water springs, there's every type of animal from here in Michigan. There are fruit and nut trees out here, and I gotta be I have to be vague about it. So anyways, we get out there and we hear grunts. This is episode eleven, so our season finaleous season two. I've skipped over a bunch of the other ones, and there's so many other encounters in the Thumb of Michigan. I can't even.

1:11:49 List them all. And some of those I've gotten some of the episodes Dianne, Sweet, Angie, Elizabeth, Jerry Lenz, all of that, but it all plays into this kind of the sea is a finale, and they get to this location and yeah, we've got evidence of footprints. There are these huts type structures. Really cool is we're finding branches stacked like pouring down from trees. There's no cut marks, and they're stacked in these piles. And then you'd come back the next day and there'd be a new hut and that stack of branches is gone.

1:12:30 So in episode ten. I've got a couple of pictures of those what I call huts. They're like these bushes, but they're hollowed out. And this one particular area on this private landowner's location almost look like a living like a house where you could see each sassquatch had its own little area, you know, like my family walk into my house. Everybody's got their own space, their own bedroom, you know, their own corner of the house. And that's what this area looks like. So how this all started out by Lake Huron par in Michigan, which is actually just. A half hour from me. I love it. It all started the landowner was raising meat rabbits and they threw the pulse and the ergs that they weren't using all these meat rabbits into a big pile. The next thing they know, they start seeing sasquatch walking around. And this is explained more in the episode.

1:13:34 And one of the first encountered landowners and it's kind of in a very wooded area. I call it the watchers from among the trees because these things are always watching you. The landowner is cutting a path with the mower that we'd whacked their trying to do new paths through all the property and gets back out there and realizes that that where they're throwing all these rabbit pelts and enters that the pile's. Gone, and it's kind of curious. And then I don't know if it's that day or the next day, catches the landowners back there doing more field work, and catches something catches this landowner out of the corner of their eye, and there's a sasquatch eight to nine footer lives a dark brown one. I'm standing there, but it's a little bit squatted and looking at the landowner.

1:14:34 And the landowner didn't necessarily believe in bigfoot before this, but it's like, holy crap. And so this bigfoot is not too far from the rabbit pile, and this is an important aspect. And it's showing itself and they start hearing more. Now I've also heard audio from this property and it is very reminiscent if you were to take the Sierra Sounds and then Sasquatch Ontario. I believe the guy's name is Mike who runs that, and the bigfoot that's talking there is Nef. So if you were to. Pick the vocal of Nef talking, singing, I believe NEF is and then mix that with these Sierra sounds. This is the audio that I've heard from the landowners. Now I'm allowed to see this. The landowner works in a government position and does not want their identity revealed because of the backlash and the concern for their position in the government. So that's what I'm allowed to say it.

1:15:39 And that's why they don't want their location given out. They don't want the audio given out. But I've heard the audio, and it's very reminiscent. If you were to connect, you know, just combined nef and the Sierra sounds, that's what you get. And we'll so neat about this audio that I heard is you can hear the bigfoot talk in the one another. There's two or three of them, right, and then the landowner starts chiming in and is mocking them, and the sasquatch respond to that the first time, and then it kind of works, and then the landowner does it again, and the sasquatch recognize that the landowner is not one of them because they're like they started. So the landowner like there's a howl or a grunt, and then you get a response and then the landowner does it again, and there's like a quiet pause and then the Sasquatch are like, I'm like, they're yelling at the landowner.

1:16:42 That was freaky. I've heard Dan on the audio. So I'm out there, my girlfriend's here at grunts. We're seeing all the physical aspects. We've got footprints, we've got you know, this is a bigfoot paradise. It's in a depression, so they're also able to keep cool from the summertime. There's a canopy now over what I called their house or their you know, living quarters, there's a canopy as well. Worked so underneath this canopy from the sun because these things love the more darker areas of course where they have their little hot so this is a perfect area of what I can see. So I do an overnight and once again the land the landowner passes out, kind of like magic sex that you know, get about one two o'clock and they just can't hang in there and they pass out. So I'm up because I'm used to being up all night, and now I'm laying there and I got a picture of me laying there. I took it on purpose, and I hear a big splash in the pond, which is a fresh water pond nearby. There's no in feed to it, there's just an outfeed. So I'm like, okay, there's another aspect these ancient fresh water ponds.

1:18:10 I hear huge splash. It's not like, you know, you hear the geese land and the ducks come in, but this is a very heavy splash. So recently, i'd just gotten a thermal imager and I pulled that out, and you know, I'm trying to use it. So let's say the pond is twelve o'clock. And then so I'm looking at the pond and I don't see anything. I'd come out from my tent, got the thermo working, and I'm looking to my right. You know, I think I'd taken a fist or whatever, and I'm just starting to play with the thermal. I'm at this point I'm like, man, that was pretty big. That could be a sasquatch. And so the ponds at twelve o'clock, let's say, and I'm looking at one or two o'clock and I got a heat signature.

1:18:55 So I'm like, ooh, what's this. So I started focusing in and man, it's two or three deer and so I'm panning back between the pond and one or two o'clock and just getting my focus in, trying to learn how this, how to use this thermal better. And I finally focus in and I'm like, okay, this is clearly a deer, at least two deer, maybe three. And then I pan back at the pond and there's nothing there. But then in my mind, I'm like, well, I haven't done like to my left. I've been looking straight ahead and to my right a little bit. I'ven't done to my left, and I pan to the left. Now, this thermal video is very quick, and it's in our episode eleven of season two, called The Watchers among the Trees.

1:19:55 So I pan. To the left, and as I was gonna say, I don't show the first part of the video, but I'll describe it because I didn't know what it was at the time. I didn't understand it. You know, I've got I've got deer to my right. I knew what deer looked like in the thermo, but there's something big, kind of crawling. And like what is that? You know? I'm like, what is this thing? And it goes behind this kind of like a bigger bush you know here, I'm not sure. I got to get out to the property again and look at this particular bush. I'm been invited to come out as many times as I want, so I'm gonna.

1:20:49 Get out there. I don't know if it's a huge lilac bush or what kind of plant. You know. I'm a city boy. I don't know what these things are. So this thing to the right, I can see if it's back and it's obscured, and it looks like it's krawn. But then it disappears behind this big bush, pre bush, whatever you want to call it. But then it comes out to the other side and it's huge, and I'm now I'm like, oh my gosh, what the heck is this thing? This thing comes out behind, takes two. Or three steps, I think it's two, and then immediately turns around and goes back behind this thing like it knew it could hide behind it, and disappears.

1:21:44 Clearly it's walking bipedally. We measured that the next morning was eight to nine feet tall. To this day, I don't know exactly, but the only thing I figure out is that thing was I don't want to. Say, sneaking up behind me. But it was getting a better vantage point because. Remember I'm focusing at the pond at twelve o'clock. I'm looking to my right constantly at the deer, back and forth to beyond the deer, the byond, the deer. And then this thing was working its way behind me, maybe on all fours, I hear, and the more you hear, they're on all fours just as much, or you know, maybe not as much as they are Bipeally, I think this thing worked its way around and this is just me guessing. And then when it thought it got to a place where it was hidden, it stood up and then was going to continue working its way behind me to get a better look at me. And then when it saw me came out from behind me the tree bush.

1:23:01 It realized that I was watching it. Now here's I don't like to call myself an idiot, but here's one time where I was an idiot. It came out and turns back around and goes back and disappears, and I'm like why, well why, So I'm a little bit thinking to myself, why did you do that? Why do you turn around? Why do you turn around? Well, like an idiot, I had my stinking headlamp on. I got on the tent, I'd taken a fiss, I got my head lamp on. I'm looking at the thermo, you know, setting up the thermo, and I forgot to turn off my headlamp, so this thing could see me a whole freaking time. So think about it that. Hey, maybe it wasn't the pond. It was there cooling off whatever, getting this water source. It had seen me and started working its way around from say twelve o'clock to nine o'clock while I'm still looking at the deer to my right, and then I'm looking over there so we.

1:23:57 Can see me. You can see my headlamp, and so it's working this way behind me. It comes out from behind this tree bush and realizes because my head lamp's looking right at him, and I'm standing over my thermal, and this thing's like, what's the daisy and turns back around and goes off into whatever never never land. And so anyways, we got out there. We measured it to eight to nine feet tall, according next to the tree branch where it was standing, and there was like a path through the dew and in the morning hours. So that happens. And so now I'm kind of for me, I want to see a sasquatch, you know, I want a Matthew Sexton encounter where that fanks ten feet in front of me.

1:24:45 You can see the thermal imaging. Yes, it's it's blurry all that kind of stuff because I'm focusing trying to get it in. But I'm confident that that was a big foot that came out, and so yeah, so that's cool. So then that will go on a little bit. So that day I'm leaving and in where the spot was where all the rabbit house and the inners were that the bigfoot had taken before I left, a big polyo carrots and in other locations. Well, so I leave there and the landowner had gone back out the day after and got a bunch of pictures and a video, and you'll.

1:25:28 See this in the episode. The day after I'm there, I see the thing on the thermal. I got a polo carrots there. The day after, the landowner gets a video of a sasquatch slamming like a branch down. Now this one is an authentic tree neck where it's very small, but you can see it in the episode where this sasquatch is slamming down a tree branch, and then the landowner's got a picture of the sasquatch ending there watching the landowner from kind of the trees. So what I had put together, it's all about food.

1:26:10 After the rabbit energs and the Bigfoot had eating them, the Bigfoot show themselves as if to say, hey, we would like some more food. All those rabbit enters and pelts are gone, and then I leave the carrots and they show themselves again, and all the carrots are gone, and they're like, hey, you know you got anything more? So this sasquatch plan. You feed them and then they're going to show themselves. But with that said, we got to be careful about that because I've also heard of the stories of the Sasquatch becoming too dependent on gifting and that sort of thing. Yeah, so that was the last episode of season two, and now we are off to the races.

1:26:57 Let's touch on the inner dimensional side real quick. Oh my goodness, go ahead, but I know I'm overload, you man. So this is this is going to be the episode where if anyone ever asks me, what what is the journey that one takes and what can happen? This is what people are to expect. It's an incredible case study. I mean, your story is amazing. I'm honestly going to have to ask you if if you would be cool with coming on for a second time, because I have like questions about Michigan to ask you as well. But I've just been letting you share your story, which is incredible, and it sounds like we're just getting into like the Okay, I knew it was coming. I was like, I knew it was coming. Listeners are like, oh, what are you doing, dude?

1:27:51 Would you be I think, I mean we may have to do a cliffhanger on this one. Would you be okay with coming back on for a second time? Oh? Yeah, let's do it because I got to tell you about the fairy experience and all the inter dimensional qualities of sasquatching. Everything is going on in here in Michigan. There's an explosion going on in here in Michigan. But of course I would love it. Thank you, oh man, and your your story is just so incredible. It has parallels with my own. But but out in Oregon when I've been out there and it's just man, I would say, guys, if you're not already checking out the Bigfoot of America YouTube channel. You need to go over there right away, subscribe to it, check out all the videos, watch them. There's a few people that are over there. I've noticed that I've gotten to talk to you too, so you'll be able to actually see them see a different viewpoint of their story, and that is very cool. But yeah, Brian, I can't wait to have you back on again so we can we can dig a little deeper into what happened after the other side of Sasquatch started to come into play, which it always does, it always does.

1:29:06 Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. It's an honor, man, thank you for having me on your show. It's an honor. You're one of the pioneers, and we the general Sasquatch population lovers of Bigfoot, we disrespect you and honor everything you've been doing. Brian will be back on Bigfoot Society soon for part two to continue his accounts with Bigfoot in Michigan. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the big Foot Society podcast. Brian's story is one of those encounters that stays with you, not just because of the terrifying moments he shared, but because of how they shifted his understanding of what might be lurking just beyond our reach. So huge thanks to Brian for coming on the show and giving us an inside look at the hidden world of Michigan's Bigfoot. If you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube, hit the bell icon so you don't miss any new episodes, and share this one with the friend who loves Bigfoot Michigan or The Unexplained. And if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, be sure to follow the show and if you'd leave a review, it really helps others find us now. If you or someone you know has had a big Foot encounter, especially in Michigan, the Black River area, Midden City, Swamp, or even Traverse City, I'd love to hear from you, so please shoot me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's talk. Also, don't forget Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up July eleventh through the twelfth at Greenwaters Park in Elkridge, Oregon, and Bigfoot Society listeners can grab a two day pass for the price of one day admission with code BFS at checkout.

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