Sept. 22, 2024

The CIA Pushed Me Off My Bigfoot Research Area in Rainier, Oregon (Archives)

The following is an archival episode which was one of my favorite conversations with Henry Franzoni.

I can't bring myself to listen to the whole thing again yet. I will someday.

It's like when you have a favorite album from 20 years ago that you...

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Season 1

The following is an archival episode which was one of my favorite conversations with Henry Franzoni.

I can't bring myself to listen to the whole thing again yet. I will someday.

It's like when you have a favorite album from 20 years ago that you loved and it brings back so many memories.I know you will enjoy this.

It has all the original language in it. Heads up to those that are sensitive to language.

Here's the original show notes:

In this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, I welcome back Mr. Henry Franzoni, a prominent figure in the Bigfoot community. Franzoni discusses his new book, "Failing in a Cooler Way: Why I Never Found Bigfoot," and reflects on his past involvement in Bigfoot documentaries and research from the 1990s. He recalls creating the first online Bigfoot discussion group and how it evolved over time. Franzoni shares his controversial opinion that the search for evidence to prove Bigfoot's existence is futile, as he believes the U.S. military and government are already aware of Bigfoot's existence and have been working alongside them for years. He recounts a personal experience from 2000 when he believes he was warned by the government to stop his investigations into a suspected Bigfoot base in Mist, Oregon. Franzoni emphasizes that he thinks the government is feeding the public breadcrumbs about Bigfoot and that there's much more to the story than meets the eye.

In other words: If you like the Rainier, Oregon episode that went crazy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38) then you need to listen to this one because FRANZONI CONNECTS SOME DOTS THAT ARE GOING TO ROCK YOUR FACE.

Resources: Buy Henry's new book here - https://henrockflamzoni.com/shop/ols/products/failing-in-a-cooler-way

Henry's previous book here -

In the Spirit of Seatco - https://amzn.to/48SpNSx (Amazon Affiliate Link)

Henry Franzoni is a friend that we lost earlier this year. I miss him and those that knew him miss him as well.Celebrate his life by watching these other interviews with him here:

Flash of Beauty Henry interviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIhEc_J1HPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08KWK0Wi4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGGuhbtPi4s



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All right, Big for Society.

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I've got the privilege of having a mister Henry Franzoni

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back on the podcast again. It's been a while since

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we last chatted, Henry.

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How are you.

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I'm good. I'm really good. How are you?

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You know I'm doing good. It's always a good day

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when I get to talk to to people out Bigfoot

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and talking. You know, I consider you're a person I've

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talked to a few times, you know, not just on

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the show, but on the side and you sent me

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a copy of your new book. I was so excited

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to hear that you were able to get the book out.

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Failing in a cooler way. Why I never found Bigfoot,

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So we'll get into that later. But it's just it's

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just always fun to chat with you. The last chat

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we had, we talked about your documentary back in the day, and.

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Yes, that seems to be what I've I'm known for. Yeah,

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it's a couple of those documentaries that are.

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Now old classic classic nineties bigfoot documentaries.

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If listeners haven't.

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Nineteen ninety six and nineteen ninety eight, that's really a

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long time ago, you know.

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Really, surprisingly enough, it is a long time ago, which

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is a little scary, but you kind of, you know,

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you kind of deal with it.

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But yeah, I guess so I'm not really adjusted to

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that yet.

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Yeah, let's not assume that people know. Maybe people don't

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know who you are, but I'd like to say that

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if you're in the big footing world and you know

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who Henry Franzone is, you're having a good time because

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you just have done some really cool stuff. You've had

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some you know, you got involved with bigfoot back in

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the nineties, which is a really interesting time frame for

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bigfoot research. You were one of the first guys that

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got involved with, you know, making websites for people, and

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you had the first, I want to say, the first forum, right.

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Internet Virtual Bigfoot Conference, And many of your bigfoot icons

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of today were once members of my little online discussion group.

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believe it? There was only a single email group about bigfoot.

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I'm like, wow, okay, you know that really took off

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only Moly, but Cliff Barrickman was a member. Wow, yes,

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I'm trying to think Moneymaker was there too for a while,

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but then he split off to do his own thing,

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you know, so because he wanted to call his own

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shots and had his own dream, and hey, more power

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to them. The guys lived his dream. So but yeah,

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I come from that time, and then I got I

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left the whole thing behind in two thousand, the year

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two thousand when most of you hadn't started yet, and

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I was really sick of it, and particularly sick of

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all the you know, yelling and screaming and you know,

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posturing lack of Well, let us say everybody had a checklist,

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everybody could rationalize everything to their checklist, but nobody was

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rational and nobody was reasonable. So, just like today, the

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two sides paranormal in flesh and blood just could not

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talk to each other at all, you know, just couldn't

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do it. They just found each other abhorrent. And I'm hoping,

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you know, I always hoped it would mellow out some.

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too you know, too much inflammatory rhetoric and people yelling

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and screaming. I wanted nothing to do with it, and

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so I left for twenty years. And now I want

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to talk about Bigfoot. All now I'm like, oh man, Bigfoot,

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let's talk Bigfoot.

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There's one question I can't let slip away before we

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archive of that list on something in my office, you know,

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some electronic storage media that is here because at one

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there was a number of times, you know, like I

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backed it up. But I also had a real you know,

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like in the year two thousand for me, I got

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rid of all my data, I got rid of all

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my track casts, I got rid of my databases. I

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was just like sick of the whole thing. Got rid

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of my hair samples, got rid of my all my

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Bigfoot goodies. And I had a huge collection of Bigfoot

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goodies at that point. And I just moved on and said, man,

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I want nothing to do with this. But it wasn't

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actually that I really completely ran away from Bigfoot. I

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ran away from the Bigfoot community.

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you're like, I don't think he actually just ran away

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from Bigfoot, but yeah, the community you took his community.

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I did. But I went off into my own thing

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with Bigfoot and tried to do my own sitting for

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many many years. And now I have like a different

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narrative than everyone else that I wish to share. And

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I just have one piece of the puzzle that I

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think I've figured out. And I know there's a lot

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of other people that have pieces of the puzzle figured out,

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you know, so like I think I can coexist with

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all of them somehow, and we'll see how that goes. Yeah,

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you know, I'm just like another guy throwing in another

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point of view about it. And I kind of of

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the opinion that when and this is the problem with

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my book, when you explain it to somebody, they don't

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believe you because it's really hard. It's really incredible, but

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it's going on. In my opinion, what's going on with

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Bigfoot is really an incredible deal.

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So it's an intense book and there's so many onion

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layers to it.

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I learned, Yeah, it's connected to everything. I can't help

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but telling people that you know, Bigfoot is literally connected

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to everything.

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In my opinion, there was a fascinating story. I don't

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think it's in your first book. Maybe it is, but

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I don't think it is where you kind of you

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share something that happened in two thousand that made you

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kind of step away as well. And it's a really

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interesting series of events. Is that anything you wouldn't mind

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sharing a little bit of kind.

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Of don't at all? Yeah, yeah, I see, here's the

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party pooper in me for the Bigfoot community that I

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have this contrary opinion to everyone else. I think the

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idea of searching for evidence to prove that Bigfoot exists

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is a fool's and is a complete ridiculous waste of time,

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because I feel that those who ought to know if

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Bigfoot is real already know that Bigfoot's real. And the

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US military knows that Bigfoot's real, and it goes far

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beyond just knowing that Bigfoot's real. They've been working with

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them for a really long time, side by side on

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various military projects, which I know you might find to

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be really, really crazy, but that's what I found out.

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And in the year two thousand, I I ran into

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the government stopping me. The CIA, actually, who doesn't operate

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in America domestically, by the way, especially in the year

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nineteen ninety five, Well they stopped me twice. I was

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actually getting warm in the year two thousand and I

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might have affected the status quo, that's my opinion. And

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the government basically said, hey, no, you know, like here go,

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you know, chill out. They gave me the big chill out.

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And it was nothing I can prove and there's no

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hard evidence. And I'm sorry, Danny Perez, I cannot prove

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anything of this at all. I have no evidence of

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this kind of thing. But basically, they communicated to me

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through a few events that I document in the book

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that you know, back off, what I had been convinced

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of at that moment that they when they stopped me,

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by the way, was I was convinced that there was

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a Bigfoot village or headquarters or base or something underneath

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Missed Oregon, in the gas caves that lie underneath Missed Oregon.

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to get to the gas caves underneath Missed Oregon. And

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that's when the government basically talked to me and said stop.

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And in a way of like, the way they stopped

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me was one arm of our military protected me from

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another arm of our military. And I saw that there

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was a division in our military government about this topic.

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And that was enough for me to just go, hey,

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I'm just a civilian. I don't want to I don't

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know nothing, man, what you know? Sorry? Sorry, hands off.

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And so that really stopped me from being involved publicly

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with Bigfoot for twenty some years twenty two years actually

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one's counting. And only twenty two years later did it

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become clear that the government, once again indirectly, not in

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a way I could ever prove to anybody communicated to

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me that it was okay if I ventured my opinion

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now about things like, hey, there's a Bigfoot base underneath

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Missed Oregon, for example. Now, that's not something that I

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don't think anybody else is really going to be able

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to prove, right, I mean, especially since there's a Northwest

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Natural gas installation that I think it's under and it's

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guarded by the military strangely enough, which is why I

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was so suspicious, because why would a commercial gas company

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have a military guard? But hey, you know, I think

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that the government knows all about Bigfoot, and scientists and

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policy makers that really ought to know do know. And

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everyone that is in this field that thinks that they're

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actually accomplishing something by proving that Bigfoot exists, by providing

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evidence to some scientist or policymaker out there, is really

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playing with themselves. I mean to put it in delicately. Sorry,

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and that's really that's really, you know, that's the hard truth.

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I'm sorry. I knew that. I knew that in two thousand,

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so in two thousand I knew the fix was in.

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And in short, they show you what they want you

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to see, and we are all being fed breadcrumbs by

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the government and it got really out of hand. Because

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there's a lot more to this story that I'm telling

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you right now. The big part of it is that they, well,

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you know my book. It's not like, you know, I

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really don't want to be that guy that's like, well,

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you know, well the CIA, Yeah, yeah, my book. It's

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really cool. No, it's I'm not that guy. I actually

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tried to in my book. I tried to explain physics

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principles when I tried to explain why this is, why

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is the government hiding this? And I try to explain

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this to you.

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I'll tell you what I mean. Okay, So I think

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that in the night for one hundred years, right after

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Einstein came up with general relativity, engineers military engineers for

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the US government modified Einstein's relativity and designed gravo metric motors,

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which they've been working on for one hundred years. And

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in my book, I document Tesla claiming in nineteen thirty

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in The Brooklyn Eagle that he has a motor powered

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by cosmic rays, which was at that time same thing

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Tesla's name for the same thing. So I'm convinced that

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because this technology and these physics principles, and that's really

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what I try to just lay out in the book

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is here's the physics principle. This is the modified Einstein

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equation that grabometric motors are constructed with. And it's a

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physics revolution. And what happened in the twenties was physics

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split into an open book that's all the physics we

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know in the public, and a closed book that the

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US military knows. And they've been building these UFOs ever since.

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So now, right now today we have congressional testimony with

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Blowers talking about UFOs. Suddenly the government's attitude is, oh,

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UFOs are real, we call them UAPs. But oh yeah,

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now they're real. We don't know what they are. Yeah, baloney,

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you don't know what they are. So this is like

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a scheduled release of information by the government absolute, you know,

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and they're definitely doing it. And what I'm showing you

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is the physics principle behind the UFOs you are seeing

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in their motors, And why I'm showing you that is

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because the weird thing is. And this is where I

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differ also from most bigfoot people. Bigfoot uses graveometric physics

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principles in the way they move and the way they

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camouflage themselves, in the way they communicate. A lot of

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what they do is dependent on the same physics principle,

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which I try to explain in my book. And this

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is why the government didn't want us to know about Bigfoot,

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Because if you understand how Bigfoot moves about and camouflages

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and does all that stuff, that paranormal stuff, if you

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actually understand the physics science of it, why that leads

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you to understanding what our black projects in our military

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are doing in all the UFO things. But twenty years ago,

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when they stopped me, they told me that one day

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they would come to me and they would tell me

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it was okay. And they came to me and told

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me it was okay to write my book. Now. The

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other thing, they weren't very helpful. See, I'm like an

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unwitting tool of these guys, because they said, twenty years ago,

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they said, do you know why we told you all

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these things, and I said no, and they said you will,

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and I'm like, now here I am twenty three years later,

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and no, I don't. But I kind of think this

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is the right time because I see not only the

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UFO thing going on right now, but I see doctor

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Salvatore Pays describing all these physics and I'm like, oh, okay,

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I recognize those. I recognize this, and so I'm like, gee,

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I'm probably the only person that does recognize this out there.

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But I'm like, wait a minute, this is where I

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was headed twenty three years ago, and now I see

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that the government. If you actually watched an interview with

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Salvator pay Us, it really seems like it's some kind

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of op, you know, the way he talks and just

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a whole boy, it's kind of it's great and I'm

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just into the physics. But the government is putting their

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cards out on the table right now about UFOs and Bigfoot.

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They're connected, and they're connected by graveometric physics principles that

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were a huge secret and for some reason they're not

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a secret anymore. And the government is letting all the

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beans out of the can and the worms out of

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the whatever, and or this is the beginning of it.

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At least that's my opinion, and I feel that I

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see enough. That's what my book covers is I see

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enough breadcrumbs that the government has laid out that they're

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telling us the real story or putting the They put

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the dots out there for us to connect. When I

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see a lot of these UFO guys talk about, oh,

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the government's hiding all this technology and everything, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

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they did for you know, one hundred years, but they

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just put everything on the internet so that you can

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understand what it is like. You know, they're not hiding it.

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Here's the physics principles. I sort of do what I

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think is really obvious, which is you connect all the

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recent Nobel prizes with Einstein with all these other things.

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If you look at the big picture instead of looking

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at each little thing, focusing just on that thing and

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excluding everything else, you realize that the government is actually

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fessing up to all this secret technology they've held onto

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for one hundred years. Wow, and it's connected to Bigfoot.

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It's really connected to Bigfoot because they're actually an advanced

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scientific species. So this makes me Bigfoot is a person guy,

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not an animal. Right, I'm on that side of the equation.

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Not only are they a person, but to find a person,

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you know. I mean, that's also what I try to

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do in my book is to point out what flesh

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and blood really is, because everybody throws that term around

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flesh and blood, flesh and blood, flesh and blood. Well,

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what is flesh and blood? What does it consist of?

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You know, deconstruct it whatever, what are the pieces? And

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flesh and blood doesn't exist unless there's somebody looking at

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something that's flesh and blood, you know. In other words,

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flesh and blood implies there's an awareness, there's a consciousness

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outside of it looking at it. And so you can't

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separate consciousness from flesh and blood. And that's a fundamental

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problem for all flesh and blood people because biologists today,

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in current mainstream biology, do not understand what consciousness is

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and what its role is in reality and in physics.

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And so unfortunately the Bigfoot thing goes into that as well,

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because we have to change our science to understand bigfoot.

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That's the real problem. We have to understand a different

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sort of physics. Now this would be revolutionary, oh boy,

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except it happened one hundred years ago and they've kept

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it from us, so I didn't think of anything. I'm

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just connecting all the dots and I see all the

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dots laid out there by, you know, curious, the hidden hand,

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behind the hidden hand, behind the hidden hand. I mean,

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I have no idea who's doing this, but I got

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some guesses about who's doing this, and it's our US

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military that seems to be maybe not of their own volition.

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Here's where we get to the other thing, because unfortunately

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my book gets into this too, which is Bigfoot is

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management of this geometry of space time. They're actually management.

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We are the caretakers of this planet. But we are

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not the brains. They are the brains. We are the caretakers.

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There's a phrase in your book where you say, master

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Bigfoot rules the world.

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Is that kind of Yeah, that's basically what it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Can you explain that.

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These guys eyes are in short? The short version is

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indigenous people around the world refer to them as ancestors.

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Ancestors are the people before. They are an intelligent race

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that evolved before us. There are elder brothers. They don't

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necessarily appear to be Homo sapiens, right, there's some other

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kind of person in a hominid form or something like that.

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But they reach the point. You see, there's many many

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You have to read an awful lot of oral histories

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of a lot of Indigenous people, which I get into

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a lot of in my book. But the thing is

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is that the people before are our elder brothers, and

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most indigenous cultures, their cultural view of what's going on

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is completely different than our cultural view here in White

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man Land, and the indigenous in the Native American cultures

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which you're most familiar with and which are where I

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spent the last thirty years, everybody, like the default is

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you believe Bigfoot is real, even if you've never seen

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a Bigfoot, You've heard stories about Bigfoot, and you all

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believe it's real. And then there's many, many layers of

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knowledge about Bigfoot within the other tribal cultures. What is

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meant by the term Indian medicine gets deeper and deeper

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and deeper and has many many layers, and what is

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meant who Bigfoot is becomes deeper and deeper and deeper.

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And then you find out that every tribe has a

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different opinion, and there's really a lot of tribes five

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hundred and thirty seven registered ones in America or United

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States right now. The thing that you find out is

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that how do want to explain this simply? All of

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the Buddhist stages and such are using the same physics.

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It turns out that the subconscious mind, the true powers

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of the subconscious mind, when accessed by the conscious mind,

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result in your ability to shape shift, teleport, communicate telepathically.

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You can do all kinds of stuff with the true

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powers of the subd just mind, including like create a

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black hole with your mind and then walk through it,

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which is what these guys basically can do. They have

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so much power in their mind they can create a

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black hole and step through it, kind of like, you know,

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their own portal to anywhere in the galaxy. So they

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are a species that has reached an evolutionary stage where

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they obtain their energy from the fabric of space time.

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They no longer bother with other energy sources such as

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deer and elk and rabbits. However, they seem to enjoy

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to hunt them and eat them, you know, like they

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still relish their creatureliness and they're like hillbillies. So even

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if they're like advanced scientists. They're really you know, just

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is they really relish that creatureliness. But these they're very

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much like Indians in that way in that they are

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very comfortable with their creatureliness and their intellect simultaneously. But

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when you really master the conscious control of the subconscious mind,

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you're basically able to do the same thing that our

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engineers can do in the black military world with graveometric motors.

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Basically you can make a grabometric motor with your mind.

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If you have a mind as strong as Bigfoot's mind,

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they have a super super strong rind. So what this

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means is and part of why you have the association

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with UFOs is through the brains of this planet. So

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all the other species that come visit here visit them first.

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We're an afterthought.

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Were the first.

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Yeah, it's like start. It's like Star Trek four where

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they came down for the whales, the grey whales.

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Classic they come down.

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They come down for Bigfoot, not us them because they're

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tell their minds are on another order. I mean literally,

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they're like four dimensional beings. All the ones I've met

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now of course I allow, for I only know one

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t of nothing, and so I know there must be

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all these other things going on. But this is what

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I know from my experiences, now that I've had thirty

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years of them. I'm like, yeah, no, the ones I know,

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they all can step in and out of this dimension,

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all of them, and they're all telepathic, and they all

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you know, I mean, come on, I mean, I've never

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known one that wasn't super smart or of the contacts

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I've had, you know. So that puts me in a

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strange place with the Bigfoot community because I'm I'm on

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a different approach than they are, you know, I have it.

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I have just a different approach, and we can coexist though.

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I mean, I really don't have any objections to anything

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they're doing. In my opinion, bigfoot can kill you with

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a thought, and so you should not screw with them

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at all. You should have a lot of respect, and

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the idea of shooting them or anything is ludicrous. To

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the point of another thing I always say, which is interesting,

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maybe all stories about bodies are false. Really, Yes, I've

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never ever ever heard a body story about somebody finding

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a body body. This about dead when they are dead,

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That that didn't turn out to be false. And it's

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because no one's ever touched their bodies of all the researchers.

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You know, if you think about it and step back

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and think about everybody, has anybody ever touched one that

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you have ever heard of? Think about it. There might

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be might be. Okay, you know, I'm just saying, okay,

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think about it. Now. They look like us, Yes, they're

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related to us. Yes, they got to be right. They

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look like primates or prominence or whatever they got butts.

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But in my opinion, their bodies are not like our bodies.

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Their bodies are quite different than our bodies. They might

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look just like flesh and blood like you and me,

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but they have mental control over the density of their bodies.

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They have mental control over like the whole structure of

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their bodies. And one of the first things I encountered

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was tracks of a bigfoot that turned into tracks of

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a deer. And so I knew from nineteen ninety five,

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I knew that bigfoot was a shape shifter. No one,

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no one believed that. My own eyes told me that,

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and I said, wow, you know, I could understand why

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no one would believe that. That's unbelievable. You know, that's

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literally unbelievable. But in my early days, in my first

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five years, where I went out and examined every citing

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report I could find in Oregon and Washington with a team,

454
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.639
and we had five million dollars to look so it

455
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.280
was a full time thing. We all just ran around

456
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.079
like crazy, like the crazy Bigfoot researchers of today. We

457
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:26.960
ran around gathering stories and citing reports and every bit

458
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.719
of evidence we could find to gather, you know, to

459
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.880
prove Bigfoot was real, right to policy makers and scientists

460
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.239
so they would take it seriously. That was the goal

461
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.400
of the Bigfoot Research Project. So you know, that's also

462
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.880
why I failed, is that was my goal thirty years ago.

463
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.039
And then I became one of the policy makers for

464
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.559
the government and one of the scientists for the government,

465
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.920
and then I started to see that oh no, actually,

466
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.960
how nigh Eve I was about everything.

467
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.239
So, you know, I just want to do a quick

468
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.840
pause because I know there's probably a few listeners that

469
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.719
are like, why in the world is he not talking

470
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.719
to him about the big fruit. Guys, there's a first

471
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.280
episode where we go deep into it, so you need

472
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.360
to make sure you listen and you can stop making

473
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.239
that comment on this YouTube video that we covered that.

474
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.159
We covered that we did. We covered that bio research

475
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:27.440
project pretty good.

476
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.039
Yes, there's a question I have for you.

477
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.440
So in the book you mentioned there are places that

478
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.840
facilitate contact with the minds operating at different frequencies than ours,

479
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:40.800
and that you know of a couple spots. Is that

480
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.440
you can go more into or well, yeah.

481
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.760
There's you know sure. I mean, on the one hand,

482
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.760
Renee de Hinden told me this so really long time ago.

483
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.679
Everyone knows where the hotspots are. And that's true if

484
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.360
you once you're really into this for a while, like

485
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.440
many of your listeners, everybody knows where the hotspots are.

486
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.239
You know. You check out all the reports, you go, ah, man,

487
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:16.199
they're all around the here. So in the other cultures,

488
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.199
Bigfoot is a protector, Bigfoot is a well, it depends

489
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.960
on the tribe. The nez Perse regard Bigfoot as part

490
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:34.400
of their creation story and they refer to Bigfoot as

491
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.039
the monster. Well, there's a connection between Bigfoot and the

492
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:45.280
monster that created their tribe. There was a giant monster

493
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.760
that fought with coyote in the nez Pers creation myth

494
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:58.119
and coyote won and ripped the monster apart, and from

495
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.480
his left arm he made the Sioux and his right

496
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.360
army made the crow. And there's this huge list as

497
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.039
he goes through all the tribes and all the different

498
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.639
body parts, and when pardon me, when they get to

499
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:20.800
the heart, Coyote creates the nez Perce. So there's this

500
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:25.280
huge red rock in Idaho next to Highway twelve at

501
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.159
a rest stop called Heart of the Monster, and it's

502
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.719
a roadside rest stop today and the nez pers creation story.

503
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:41.320
That's the heart a Bigfoot that landed there when coyote

504
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:46.039
ripped it out of Bigfoot. The nez Perce crawled into

505
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.280
this world by crawling out from under that rock from

506
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.480
caves that were underneath that rock, and that's how they

507
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.880
came to be in this world. So there's a connection

508
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:05.400
between Bigfoot and that. Now they have many places, they

509
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:11.920
have smoking spots around the res where you can talk

510
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.280
to the ancestors, and you go up and have a

511
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.519
smoke like one of these little peaks, and we talk

512
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:24.199
to the ancestors, and over time you come to understand

513
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:33.480
that Bigfoot in the ancestors are the same that Bigfoot are.

514
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:37.960
These people that once evolved to a point where once

515
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.119
they got full control of the true powers of their

516
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:45.400
subconscious mind. Yeah, they could shape shift, or they could

517
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.039
go to the delta quadrant through the wormhole, you know,

518
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.519
like they could go anywhere. And at that point they

519
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.639
became the ambassadors for this planet with every other species,

520
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:02.079
and all the species that are evolved to that level

521
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.960
where they derive their energy directly from the fabric of

522
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:13.519
space time seem to be location independent. Let us say,

523
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.360
like it doesn't really matter where they are where they

524
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.639
came from. They're everywhere in the universe at the same time.

525
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.920
Wherever they want to be, they're there, right, They're all

526
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:26.199
like the queue continuum. They can all just go like

527
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:31.119
woop poop poop everywhere. Except there's lots of species that

528
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.239
are like this. We really are the dumb guys in

529
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:40.239
the big picture, and Bigfoot kind of insulates us from

530
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.400
all the others, like they're kind of our they're the

531
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.920
brains here where the caretakers. And apparently I never thought

532
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:55.199
that this would come out in public, but apparently the

533
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.719
government's headed towards the point where it's going to confirm

534
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:06.519
this insane claim by me. One day, I hope that's

535
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.400
the way I read it. The way I read it,

536
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.440
this insane claim will be confirmed by events one day,

537
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:19.880
because I'm a drummer and I have drummer timing, and

538
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.840
I believe in drummer timing, right, you know, And so

539
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.239
the time I believe the time is now for me

540
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.760
to offer this whack ball theory out there and say, look,

541
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.440
I think you're all going to join me here one day,

542
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:42.079
and yeah, I'm not. I don't believe in paranormal I

543
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:49.519
actually believe there is a science explains everything. Okay, So

544
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:54.039
I am not paranormal guy, although I am often confused

545
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:58.119
for paranormal guy. Like everybody puts me in that box

546
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.360
and goes, ah, man, you're into that whoa oooh stuff,

547
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.800
and I'm like, well, I'm actually a scientist.

548
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.440
Yeah, it gets a little a little weird than that.

549
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.320
Yeah, I think you may have alluded to this part

550
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.639
in when we were just talking, But there's a part

551
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.280
where you say, looking out over the past thirty years

552
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:22.239
of digging around, learning about little people, giant birds, water monsters,

553
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.719
the people before dog man, et cetera. And you talk

554
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.400
about some of those in detail in the book, But

555
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.920
I don't I may have missed it, but I don't

556
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.480
think you go into dog men.

557
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.039
Do yeah, have any interactions with dog men stories?

558
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:46.320
Yeah? Yeah, no, I here's here's a dog man's story,

559
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.760
which all right now hear from me. You'll only hear

560
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:56.840
this one. Right. So I have the difference about me

561
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.920
today and thirty years ago. There are many differences. One

562
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:03.320
is I have a lot of Indian friends, Like I

563
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:07.079
have real good friends that are real Indians, and I

564
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.840
come from New Jersey and when I grew up that

565
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.559
was never the case when I was little. But today

566
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.880
I have a lot of real good friends that are tribal.

567
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:24.880
And a good friend of mine took LSD and was

568
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:28.199
an Nez person Indian, and he just went out on

569
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.920
a mountaintop and laid down on his back. He just

570
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.800
laid down and enjoyed the day. Right. He was just

571
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.639
tripping and he just checking out nature. And he just

572
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:41.760
laid there for like three hours, and a dog man

573
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.440
came over and stood right over him and looked down

574
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.119
at him and leaned down really close to him, and

575
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.519
he said, the nose of the dog man was exactly

576
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:58.760
like a Labrador retriever. It's just like a golden lab

577
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:03.639
in text, and he got like a really good, really

578
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.599
good close look at it because it was like a

579
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.400
foot away from him as a dog man was inspecting

580
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.280
my tripping friend who was just like paralyzed on the ground, right,

581
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.840
And so he said, wow, you know that was really weird.

582
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.320
Did I really see that dog man? Or was I tripping?

583
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:26.119
And so he laid there for like another three or

584
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:32.840
four hours, and the dog man came back and did

585
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.840
the same thing. He didn't hurt him or anything. He

586
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.840
just came over and he just leaned down. He almost

587
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.880
touched his nose to his face, and he just leaned

588
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.960
down and sniffed him and h whoa, and then he

589
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.079
walked away again. So, but I always thought it was

590
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.840
interesting that he compared the nose to a golden lab.

591
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.960
He said, man, it was exactly like a golden lab nose.

592
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:01.079
It was exactly like a golden lab nose. So I

593
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.239
don't know anyone else that got that close.

594
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.719
That's why that that's one of the weirdest dog man

595
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.960
stories I've heard. That's pretty cool. I'm going to throw

596
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.760
in another curveball before we talk a little bit more

597
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.960
about the book, just for fun, just because it's a

598
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.440
weird rabbit trail that I've had come up in different episodes.

599
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.519
But in all your time in the Pacific Northwest, have

600
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.079
you ever heard any stories about someone seeing something that

601
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.239
looks like a hyena?

602
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:34.119
Yes? Really, yes, there's I've seen something that looks like

603
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.719
a hyena. Let me step back for just a second

604
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.880
and say, you know, with cryptids here in the Pacific Northwest,

605
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:49.159
the more you get in, the more you look, the

606
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:55.119
more stuff you run into. And there's really bigfootsta tip

607
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.639
of the iceberg. There's a lot of other weird stuff

608
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:03.559
run and around out here. And yeah, I've seen things

609
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:04.800
that look like hyenas.

610
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.760
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611
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:09.800
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612
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:22.519
I've seen I don't know. I mean, I've seen some

613
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:27.519
weird creatures like something that looked like a brown telephone

614
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.239
pole on four legs that was low to the ground,

615
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.920
like about a foot off the ground, that ran really

616
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:41.719
fast and and was like about six feet long and

617
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:47.599
was tubular but furry, And I was like, what the

618
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:53.960
hell was that? You know it was not and an

619
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.559
I being a wildlife monitoring professional, I was like, that's

620
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.400
not an animal. I recognize what the hell was that,

621
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:08.039
you know, and it was strang And I've seen things

622
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:15.239
that look like Ewoks from Star Wars really yeah wow yeah,

623
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:20.760
like huh ea at a distance. But I've got to say,

624
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.079
you know, yeah, no, there's weird stuff. And then I've

625
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.639
had friends that have seen lizard men. Of course, you know,

626
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:40.400
Pterodactyls are pretty common and historically common. Many of the

627
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.599
tribes have a name Patchanaho, which means crooked beak or

628
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:51.119
rough looking bird, and when you read the descriptions, it

629
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:56.039
sounds like a pterodactyl. And then you see the second

630
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.880
floor of the Portland Art Museum has all Native American art,

631
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.760
and there are two sculptures of crooked beak and rough

632
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:09.000
looking bird and masks of crooked beak, and you start

633
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:15.119
to see that there's all kinds of just like Bigfoot.

634
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.119
There's many, many, many tribes that talk about crooked be

635
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.719
and rough looking bird. And what they're talking about is

636
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:27.039
this pterodactyl that like still is around. That's what they're

637
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.039
talking about. And I know a lot of people that

638
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.880
have seen them white and red. You know, I know

639
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:37.440
a lot of people up here who you know, they

640
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.880
can't bring themselves to tell anybody but they saw a pterodactyl,

641
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.039
you know, And I'm like, yeah, well, the tribes all

642
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.159
say there's the pterodactyls that live here, you know. The

643
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:51.880
tribes say they still live here, you know. So but yeah,

644
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.760
there's water monsters too, of course, right, I mean there's

645
00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:05.239
places every well, yeah we see and then yeah, there's

646
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:11.679
there's really there's witches there, ones that look like people,

647
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:17.039
but they're weird people, you know, like weird women. You

648
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.599
run into weird women in the.

649
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:27.079
I've got actually, you know, it's.

650
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:28.679
There's some weird stuff out here.

651
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:33.599
We're near Okay, So I forgot to mention you are

652
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:36.480
based out of the Oregon area. You've been out in

653
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.599
Portland area since nineteen seventy four when you went out

654
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:40.519
there for college.

655
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:40.960
Correct.

656
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:45.239
Correct, So that's kind of our background about where we are.

657
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:48.639
But have you ever been out to the near Oregon

658
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:51.599
area endlessly?

659
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.840
I mean, I've lived very close to it for twenty years.

660
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.199
Tell me about the bigfoot scene in the years.

661
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:00.800
They're all I could tell you.

662
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.440
Yeah, Oh, I'll tell you all about it. I can

663
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:08.239
tell you all about it. I watched your recent enerview

664
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.840
with the guy, and I just said to myself really.

665
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.599
I'm just glad you asked me, because I know I

666
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.880
know things about that. I just thought that guy's story

667
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:28.679
was so fascinating, right. I was like, Oh, man, that's

668
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.760
on top of the missed gas caves.

669
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.320
No it's not, Yes it is, Oh no, Henry, Yes, it's.

670
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:40.719
Right on top. Oh jeez. Yeah. And so that's where

671
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.880
I was looking, right, That's where I said, hey, there's

672
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:45.840
a bigfoot base underground here.

673
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:48.880
You were looking in that same area, and that's when

674
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:49.719
the CIO.

675
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.519
Shut down where his house was. Yeah, I know where

676
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.800
his house was. When he described near City Road and

677
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.960
he described where he was on Near City Road, I

678
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.199
was like, I know exactly that, you know. It's like,

679
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.800
I know exactly where that guy lived. I was like.

680
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:06.639
And then he said, well, I live down here in

681
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.239
the company land, and I went, oh, I know exactly

682
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.719
next to Evenson's holding it. I know, the timber baron

683
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:18.039
that owns all the land around him, Evenson, who is

684
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:21.119
someone I've worked with for twenty years. I was the

685
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:26.400
Watershed Council Coordinator for the Lower Columbia River Watershed Council,

686
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:34.159
so I was responsible for doing wildlife restoration for all

687
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:38.239
those people in that area. All across Columbia, across the

688
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.239
county there, So I really knew that. I went all

689
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.480
through that area as the watershed guy, right, I'm the

690
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:48.880
watershed environmental After I retired, the State of Oregon hired

691
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:53.480
me to do salmon stuff for them, So I really

692
00:50:53.519 --> 00:51:01.440
know that area. But let me continue the power lines

693
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:11.719
where he is talking about when they built Trojan. See,

694
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:16.559
I've studied that spot for a long time, for thirty years.

695
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:19.920
I've known bigfoot hangs out there, a lot of them

696
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.880
because I've known a lot of people. That guy is

697
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.960
like one of thirty people I know right in that area.

698
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.079
And why that is?

699
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:31.760
So you know the guy or that you've heard?

700
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.159
Okay, No, I mean I know I know a lot

701
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.000
of other people.

702
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.320
Okay, sorry, Yeah, I.

703
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.599
Don't know him, but I know from his story. Boy

704
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.960
did I know every detail of his story. I could

705
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:55.719
instantly visualize because I was familiar with his property. I

706
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:57.800
thought it was funny that he talked about the way

707
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:02.079
they moved, how they tilted and just moved without and

708
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:05.199
he never talked about whether or not they left tracks,

709
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:10.840
and he never talked about, you know, whether or not

710
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.639
they made a sound as they moved, And he made

711
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:18.639
inferences that they were really quiet when they moved, and

712
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:21.199
I was like, yeah, that's because they're actually like not

713
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.519
even touching the branches, you know. But that was me

714
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:27.199
thinking that way. I was going, god, you know. And

715
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:29.800
then he kept going, hey, it was an animal and animal.

716
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.599
Con it looked like it had Down syndrome like a guy,

717
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.400
but it was an animal and animal. And I kept thinking, yeah,

718
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.639
he has a hard time processing that it's a person

719
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:43.480
with Down syndrome and it looks exactly like a person

720
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.480
with Down syndrome. Yet his rational mind's going, no, it's

721
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.559
an animal. The animal, animal, animal, And I'm like, no,

722
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.719
and there's a person. You were right, it's a person

723
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.599
with Down syndrome, you know. So I thought that was

724
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:02.519
really amazing that he, like his own eyes, he could

725
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:04.639
not believe his own eyes that it was a person.

726
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.400
It was an animal, dammit, you know. And his father

727
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:09.400
was trying to shoot him all the time. And I

728
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.880
was thinking, well, that no wonder. And then when he

729
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:17.440
talked about the authorities seem to know about it, and

730
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:21.800
we're like trying to get the bad not you know, man,

731
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:26.920
I know, you know, here's why when they built Trojan

732
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:31.440
there were bigfootprints all around Trojan what throughout the whole

733
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:40.639
construction process, because bigfoot is attracted to energy sources like

734
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.159
a moth is to a flame. From the perspective that

735
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.119
they have from where they live, which is not quite

736
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:54.119
our dimension, things like nuclear reactors look like light bulbs

737
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:58.360
and like a moth, they are like, what's going on

738
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:03.519
with that energy source? And so this is also my opinion,

739
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.639
but this is something that I've had a lot of

740
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:14.679
experience with, and that is yet, all the nuclear reactors

741
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.000
when they get built have Bigfoot footprints around them, according

742
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:22.039
to what I've been able to infer. Because big yes,

743
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:28.840
bigfoot is attracted to atomic energy. Yes, yes, believe it

744
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.519
or not, I know it's pretty weird. So that guy

745
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:37.480
lives right between the Northwest on a straight line. The

746
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.199
power line that crossed his property goes to Trojan Nuclear

747
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:48.000
plant and then goes to the Northwest natural gas facility

748
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.000
that I was talking about and has the military guard.

749
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:58.239
And he's talking about the power line that connects the two. Okay,

750
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:01.599
that's what he's talking about. So and yeah, what.

751
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:04.760
If you want to see them go on that power line?

752
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.480
Right? And I'm like laughing to myself, going well, yeah,

753
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:16.079
you know, because at either end of that power line, man,

754
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:21.159
you're gonna you're gonna hit Pader dude, you know. So yeah,

755
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:25.280
that's where I got stopped twenty three years ago, was

756
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.119
near there, right, actually at the other end of the

757
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.719
power line, the other end of the power lines where

758
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.800
I was trying to get into the gas caves under there. Well,

759
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.760
I was convinced they lived in the gas caps under there, right.

760
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:43.599
So gee, that guy's story kind of confirms my theory

761
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:44.039
in a way.

762
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.960
Okay, you know, don't try to go into the gas

763
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.360
like listeners, don't mess around, right, No, you're not.

764
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.079
They won't let you in there. Man. No, it really

765
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:56.000
does have an arm.

766
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.239
Guard and shut it does really wow?

767
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:05.159
Yeah, no you do you yeah, don't do it, guess. Yeah.

768
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:10.880
And it's not military, it's Northwest Natural gas. But you know,

769
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:16.119
they might be just defending against terrorists, is probably the ration. Yeah,

770
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:22.639
probably hardened hardened site for terrorist protection probably or something there.

771
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.039
You'll never get near it. Yeah.

772
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.000
Are there a lot of sightings over the years in

773
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.280
that area then that you've yes, yeah, oh wow.

774
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:40.679
Yes, Oh my goodness. I Columbia County, Vernonia, Oregon. There's

775
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:49.800
well pardon me, Nier. It's right on the river. And

776
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:54.480
if you go straight back from the river like the

777
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:58.719
power line, does you run it. Yeah, there's a lot

778
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:04.360
of sightings in that area, I mean less so today.

779
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:08.079
When Trojan was being built, there were really a lot.

780
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:12.280
And see I bought a house from a guy that

781
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:16.280
an engineer that built Trojan. So I heard stories from

782
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:18.199
the guy I bought the house from. And then I

783
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:22.239
knew engineers that worked at Trojan and I heard stories

784
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:26.159
from them too. So I've been assembling this information for

785
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:30.360
thirty years from different all kinds of Because I was

786
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.679
a local guy, I could talk to all kinds of

787
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.480
local contractors and cops and everybody. I knew everybody in

788
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:41.760
county for a while. So you know, although don't bring

789
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.719
my name up there today, that's for sure, what a

790
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.199
good thing or No, I just had a whole political

791
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:59.880
deal with sure, Yeah, recent political stuff. I was a

792
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:07.159
it was watershed council coordinator, like I mentioned before, and

793
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:14.000
I saw funds being misused. Instead of being used for

794
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:18.880
salmon mitigation or salmon recovery, they were being used to

795
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:25.840
lobby the legislature to reduce the cutback limits from stream

796
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.519
banks in other words, opposite of what they should be

797
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.400
used for to save these salmon. They were being used

798
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.480
to increase the logging down to the stream edge. And

799
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:44.559
so I killed the Watershed Council and went to the

800
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:48.480
state and made sure it would never see another dime

801
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:53.000
of public funds ever again. And it died and I

802
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:57.800
killed it, And so the commissioners of Columbia County. I

803
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:02.559
am not their most favorite guy this week. You know, No,

804
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:05.400
I am not their most favorite guy. But I had

805
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:10.400
to do it because I'm a salmon science. I'm I've

806
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.360
dedicated my whole life to saving the salmon out here.

807
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:17.159
That's what I've done. And I don't like seeing my

808
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:24.199
life's work, you know, treated shabbily. So yeah, I did

809
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.280
the right thing. I did right. Well, Yeah, they got

810
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.760
me out of retirement and I ended up. It's like

811
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:31.760
their worst power ever.

812
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:33.280
You know, that's amazing.

813
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.960
I'm guessing all the info you took from those engineers

814
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:39.599
was probably lost in two thousand.

815
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:45.480
I yeah, I hate to say to you modern folks

816
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.239
researching Bigfoot. Yeah, at one point I threw everything away.

817
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.840
Well here's what I did. I gave everything I could

818
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:57.039
find to Autumn Williams Adam Williams. Right, yep, once upon

819
00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:59.960
a time, Once upon a time, somewhere around two thousand.

820
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.000
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821
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:08.960
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822
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:15.079
And I gave everything else. I mean, I just gave

823
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:18.239
everything away. I can't ye, I can't remember who I

824
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:19.960
gave it to, but I gave it to anyone who

825
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.079
wanted it at that point, you know. And I just

826
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:26.960
gave everything away. And Cliff Barrickman helped me by giving

827
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.840
me one track cast to start my track cast collection. Again,

828
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:33.239
what a guy? I have one cast?

829
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:34.360
What's the cast?

830
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:39.360
Yeah, it's a little baby short baby bigfoot. I'm not sure.

831
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:44.440
Actually I should ask him for the problems provenance of

832
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.960
this cast. Yes, yes, I really, yeah, yeah, it's my

833
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:51.679
first bigfoot artifact. Yeah. Well, the thing is is that

834
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.480
it got so existential for me, I didn't need the

835
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.760
data anymore, you know, honestly. That's also what happened, is

836
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:03.519
I found an answer that did not require this data.

837
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:10.519
The data I need is funding to create a high

838
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.039
frequency gravity detector. That's what I need, and then I'll

839
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:21.039
find you your bigfoot. And actually, yeah, you know that's

840
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:29.360
another thing is that I may make some demonstrations of

841
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:34.719
this technology to actually persuade some of the people that

842
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:38.599
think I'm totally out of my mind. But we'll see

843
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:40.199
if I do that or not. I've been thinking I've

844
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.920
been toying with the idea because I can kind of

845
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:48.920
prove it well rather than finding evidence. What I do

846
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:53.519
in my book is I take the existing framework of

847
01:01:53.599 --> 01:02:00.000
science of physics Einstein's equation, and I show my word,

848
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:03.480
and I show each step, and I show how to

849
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:07.559
evolve it to a whole new physics that explains Bigfoot

850
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:11.840
and that I believe Bigfoot uses. And then we get

851
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.159
into the weird stuff like maybe we learned it from

852
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.719
Bigfoot or I don't know, you know, I mean we've

853
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:25.000
been working together with Bigfoot because the path I took

854
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.920
took me here. This is where I wound up. I'm

855
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:34.559
I feel like I'm like everyone else. And I started

856
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:37.480
out looking at the Patterson film and going it's a hoax,

857
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:43.320
just like everyone and I wound up here thirty years later.

858
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:47.280
And I'm afraid you will too, because the more time

859
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:49.880
you spend at this, the weirder it gets.

860
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.079
Dude, It's like in your first book, It's like you

861
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.280
gotta be careful going down the path to seatco because

862
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:58.679
it's like, gets so weird.

863
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:00.880
You go too far down on man, you can't get

864
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:01.400
back out.

865
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:02.920
It's so weird.

866
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.159
Ia comes after you.

867
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:08.039
You know. Well, no, they're just you see. I don't

868
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.519
think they're calling the shots. I think it's Bigfoot that's

869
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:13.960
calling the shots. Right, That's who I think who's in charge?

870
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:20.480
Who really has power in this place we live? I

871
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:24.519
don't know who really has power on this level of things.

872
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:28.599
I mean, we know, you know elon and money and

873
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:31.360
this and that, But I'm talking about real power. Power

874
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:34.800
to create black holes with your mind, and power to

875
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:41.679
shape ship, perhaps alter reality itself with your mind, this

876
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:45.159
kind of power. Who has that kind of power? And

877
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.800
I think we may actually be.

878
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:50.320
Now.

879
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.639
I think the US government may not be in charge

880
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:58.400
of keeping these secrets. Bigfoot might be telling them to

881
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.280
shut up and keep these secrets, and now they're telling

882
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.320
them it's okay you can talk now. I think our

883
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:09.039
government maybe getting this message, not just me. Is what

884
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:12.440
I think is that you know, I got the message

885
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:16.559
to shut up and come back. And that's the other

886
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.679
thing I should say about twenty three years ago, in

887
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:26.920
my experience, is that when the government stopped me, it

888
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:31.719
seemed Bigfoot was in on it, because they provide me

889
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:37.280
with experiences that confirmed that they sort of knew what

890
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:40.360
was going on, you know, Like in other words, in

891
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:46.960
my bigfoot life, I've had experiences with people and then

892
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:51.320
with big feet that confirm each other, like there's obvious

893
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:56.760
communication going on between those two parties, these people and

894
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:01.639
these big feet, and they obviously have a plan together.

895
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:06.000
I don't think other people run into that. I don't,

896
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:06.840
you know, I don't.

897
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:11.360
Can you provide an example? I found that that's pretty interesting.

898
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:14.519
Can you provide like an example of what you mean

899
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.039
by that, how that's happened.

900
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:25.039
Okay, so let me let me think of a specific thing.

901
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:38.480
So I'm talking to this government guy one day and

902
01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.159
the guy in my book who I worked with for

903
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:46.960
ten years, who had the falling out with when things

904
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:54.239
got super weird, and he told me a whole bunch

905
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.320
of stuff about Bigfoot. One thing he told me was that, well,

906
01:05:57.320 --> 01:05:58.679
if you want to talk to him, just go out

907
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:00.960
in your backyard. You talk to him in your backyard.

908
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:10.679
And I was like, what huh? And over time I

909
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.119
realized he did just walk out in his backyard and

910
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.719
talk to him, and he was friends with them. And

911
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:17.800
I was like, oh my god, he's friends with them

912
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:19.920
and just walks out in his backyard and talks to them,

913
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:21.960
and they come and talk to him. And he lives

914
01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:24.960
in the middle of the city of Portland, and so

915
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.519
I was like, holy shit, what's going on with Bigfoot?

916
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.800
And so he told me, he said, well, the thing

917
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:38.239
about them is they have they all communicate to each

918
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.440
other all the time. So if you talk to one,

919
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.400
you've talked to all of them. And I said really,

920
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.360
He said yeah, it's like the borg. If you talk

921
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.760
to one, you talk to all of them. I said, oh, okay,

922
01:06:50.800 --> 01:07:03.599
that's weird. And so then I was east Investikata in

923
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:08.320
the Cascade Mountains about a month later. Can I'm riding

924
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:17.880
in a van and the windows are closed and my

925
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:21.039
wife is in the passenger seat, and we're riding along

926
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:24.320
and we both hear. I hear in my right ear

927
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:28.960
and she hears in her left ear, like somebody going hey,

928
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.199
you know, And we both just turn instantly and look

929
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:34.800
at each other and go what because we both think

930
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.760
the other one went in their ear. Then we realize

931
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:41.039
it's an invisible bigfoot in between us. That did this

932
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:44.239
to both of us. Wow. And we're inside a van, right,

933
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:50.000
and so I'm like, okay, really funny. Okay. So it

934
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:52.159
freaks out and everything, and I'm like, okay, that was

935
01:07:52.199 --> 01:08:01.639
really weird. Okay. Fine. So then a month later, I'm

936
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:06.599
in the Coast Range up the Nehalem River, a whole

937
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:11.880
different place, about one hundred and fifty miles away, and

938
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:19.720
I'm not in a van. I'm sitting there with my wife,

939
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:23.960
and almost the same thing happens again. Same thing happens,

940
01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:30.720
except for sitting there. And then I go whoa, and

941
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:37.520
I hear somebody laughing, and I go whoa. It's like

942
01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:43.319
the laughing guy again, and I'm like, I really get

943
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:51.000
the feeling that this was that, even though nothing verbal

944
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:54.439
was said, I get the feeling that this was them

945
01:08:54.560 --> 01:09:00.159
confirming that what my friend said, Like it just all

946
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:05.239
happened within two months. My friend said, you talk to one,

947
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:08.960
you talk to them all. And then in this mountain range,

948
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:11.520
this guy comes up between me and my wife goes.

949
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.359
And then over here in this mountain range, this guy

950
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:18.600
comes up between me and goes and then laughs. And

951
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:25.880
I took it all in and said, Okay, they're all

952
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:30.399
in on it together. That was my assumption. That may

953
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.239
not be true. That's with the way I read the

954
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.319
tea leaves. At that point, I was like, you know,

955
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.880
that's that's a weird thing. Now. A lot of that

956
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:45.199
is my intuition and a lot of that is my feelings,

957
01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:50.439
because I had nothing more concrete to go on the

958
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:59.800
whole thing being telepathandic in the first place. Now other

959
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:09.439
there were just so many things. Actually, I'm just trying

960
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.359
to think. You know. The physics was really where it

961
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:19.000
would happen where my friend and I would be into

962
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:24.159
a big physics discussion about what the physics in my book,

963
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:32.159
and we would be talking about gravity, and we would

964
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:35.920
start talking about how he said, well, you know, first

965
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:39.079
it was small and then it was big, and I

966
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:43.479
was like, oh yeah, because I realized when you modify

967
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:48.000
Einstein's equation, that's what happens is gravity, this tiny little

968
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:53.640
thing becomes this really really big thing. And I was like, wow, yeah,

969
01:10:53.720 --> 01:11:00.279
that's cool how that happens. And then I went camping,

970
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.000
like I was on one of my many, many many

971
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:07.600
times where I'm out in the woods doing salmon fish

972
01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:11.560
counting and stuff and building salmon detectors, which was my job,

973
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:27.279
and I get like a confirming event where suddenly I

974
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:33.439
hear a four inch thick log breaking right next to me,

975
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:39.680
and it sounds like a big crack, not like a

976
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.439
log hitting a tree, but like somebody snapping a four

977
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:47.239
inch log in half. And I realized that it's an

978
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:53.600
electrical snap. It's a really really loud electrical snap. And

979
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.920
I'm out in the middle of the woods in Idaho,

980
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:03.479
you know, like, and it's like yeah, and I'm like whoa.

981
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:07.680
And I smell the ozone and I'm like whoa. You know,

982
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:11.199
what the hell was that? And then I think about

983
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:17.079
my friend's discussion about how you flip the field equation

984
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.560
around and the grandvity comes from being small to big,

985
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:30.640
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, like that. And it was

986
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:33.880
just there were always things like this, like it was

987
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:38.359
a curriculum, and my friend would say things and then

988
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:42.560
like weird shit would happen, or I'd see a well

989
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:50.119
another perfect example one two. I see the UFO come

990
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:52.000
out of the ground in front of me one day

991
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:59.159
and I describe it to my friend and he says,

992
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.319
you know, they're magnetic. I said, what do you mean?

993
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:05.039
He says, if you have a compass. It'll track them

994
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.720
and it'll follow it. So if you see another UFO,

995
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:11.960
pull out your compass and it'll track the UFO. And

996
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.720
I said really, he said yeah yeah. And so the

997
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:17.800
next time I saw a UFO, and there were many

998
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.479
times after that I saw a UFO, I pulled out

999
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:24.239
a compass and it tracked the UFO and I said, wow,

1000
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:30.600
they're magnetic. Who knew? So I knew my friend knew

1001
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.319
something because that wasn't something I found on the internet.

1002
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:36.760
You know, that's not something I've ever found in any

1003
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:38.000
of the UFO anythings.

1004
01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:39.439
You know, I've never heard that either.

1005
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:42.079
Nobody never said that, right, And my friend just showed

1006
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.119
that to me, like, hey, well, you know, next time

1007
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:48.560
you see one, pull out a compass. And I'm like, oh, well,

1008
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:54.840
you know that's weird. And then my friend also warned

1009
01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:58.000
me from certain areas. He said, don't go near Lolo

1010
01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:02.479
Pass and I said, okay. He said, yeah, the ones

1011
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:09.319
around Lolo Pass are not friendly. So I speaking of

1012
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:15.039
what Indians spoke, Indians have told me many places to

1013
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:19.520
go where there are friendly ones, and I have only

1014
01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:22.399
received one or two warnings of where not to go

1015
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.920
because they are unfriendly. Ones. I have not gone to

1016
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:30.199
any of these places, but I have a bucket list

1017
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:32.399
in my head of Okay, I'm going to go to

1018
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:37.880
these friendly ones eventually, I think, but I need a reason,

1019
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:41.399
you know. That's the other thing is Bigfoot seems to

1020
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:46.720
operate by necessity, and they do what's necessary, and so

1021
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:50.520
they don't seem to do things that are unnecessary from

1022
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:55.680
whatever their perspective is. That is, and so it's like

1023
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.640
part of why I think I I had a lot

1024
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:05.920
of interaction with them is I wanted their help to

1025
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:10.000
save the salmon, and I wondered how we could collaborate

1026
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:14.920
or work, you know, towards similar goals and saving the

1027
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.239
salmon and the Columbia River because that was my life goal.

1028
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:20.800
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1029
01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:26.079
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1030
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:29.840
So I always thought of Bigfoot as a conservationist, as

1031
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:33.680
a true conservationist, and I aspired to be a true conservationist.

1032
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.720
And I think that maybe that's why I had a

1033
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:42.279
thirty year relationship with Bigfoot, because I'm not wrong about that,

1034
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.560
and I don't think I'm wrong about them being the

1035
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:50.439
brains either, And I think that one of our roles

1036
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:53.760
as people is to actually be the caretakers of all

1037
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:58.159
the other species of plants and animals and living things here.

1038
01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.680
I think that's what Bigfoot would like to see us do.

1039
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.279
But free will being free will, I think it's.

1040
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:08.439
Up to us, right, So oh sure, yeah.

1041
01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:11.920
You know, I'm kind of opposite of everybody else who goes, wow,

1042
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.880
you know, we got to save the environment for Bigfoot.

1043
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:19.920
I'm like, you're living in Bigfoot's lab. You are already

1044
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:27.479
in the lab understudy. You are they are studying you. Wow,

1045
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:34.000
You're the You're the subject, buddy, you know, So that's

1046
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:40.039
really quite at odds with the rest of the Bigfoot community.

1047
01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:42.960
I think, oh, absolutely, it's odds.

1048
01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:49.479
Yeah, oh well, you know, well, I mean you need

1049
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:52.560
you need variety for a little spice, you do. Somebody's

1050
01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:55.319
got to say something different in the Bigfoot community.

1051
01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:01.359
Last question, because I'm sure, like, like again, i feel

1052
01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.960
like I'm tuned into my listeners after five years that

1053
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:07.000
I can almost sense the guys that are asking me

1054
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:11.359
this right now. Can you share the places where like

1055
01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:14.239
the friendly ones are or the places where it's like

1056
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:16.760
don't go or is that a thing where like if

1057
01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:18.000
you can't, that's fine too.

1058
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:22.640
But yeah, I can't most of them. Okay, but Loco Pass,

1059
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.560
I'll tell you Lolo Pass, which is the one that

1060
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:32.880
is on the border of Montana and Idaho Highway twelve. Okay,

1061
01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:35.359
that's the one I was warned to stay away from.

1062
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:38.880
I will definitely tell you that that there were a

1063
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:45.439
bunch up there and stay away from them. That isn't

1064
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:53.880
probably a place you guys even would look for the

1065
01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:56.880
I'm trying to think of what else that I could

1066
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:04.079
tell you. The thing about the fundamental thing you got

1067
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:09.319
to understand is they live outside this geometry of space

1068
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:14.119
time most of the time. They're invisible most of the time,

1069
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:22.920
and location is irrelevant. They really it doesn't matter. You

1070
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:25.079
all think they live in the woods. No, they live

1071
01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:29.359
wherever and go wherever, and maybe spend a lot of

1072
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:34.600
time underground. I think they've got a lot of villages, bases, something,

1073
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:37.840
They've got something going on underground. There's a lot of

1074
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.680
underground stuff here in Washington where I live now, there's

1075
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:47.920
a lot of underground bigfoot stuff for sure. But yeah,

1076
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:54.279
the thing is is that no, I can't. You know,

1077
01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:58.279
that's part of what I have two where I have

1078
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:02.560
to draw the line where I can't actually tell everybody

1079
01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:06.760
the cool places because absolutely I know that, you know,

1080
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:13.000
I know it'll happen. And also most of these places

1081
01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:17.319
you can't get to because like a bunch of them

1082
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:20.920
are on the western closed portion of the Yakima Reservation.

1083
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:23.680
Oh yeah, got it, people aren't allowed.

1084
01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:28.159
And you know all the forbidden zones as well. But no,

1085
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:42.239
there's there's there's really a lot in that. In thirty

1086
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:47.359
years when I started, I used to think here in

1087
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:52.399
Oregon and Washington, I knew of like maybe five. Now

1088
01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:59.119
I know of maybe fifty. Wow, And so there's really

1089
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:02.520
a lot, and I'm learning. I'm still finding new ones

1090
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:10.640
all the time. And I have like my methods for looking,

1091
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:16.880
which have to do with look for magnetic anomalies. I mean,

1092
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:21.159
there's a place near here where a compass deviates by

1093
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:29.000
three degrees and it's actually on the chart. And I'm

1094
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:34.199
convinced that those kind of places are like homes of

1095
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:38.840
big feet. And there's magnetic anomalies all throughout the mountains

1096
01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:45.399
you can find if you go looking, and there's a tendency.

1097
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:51.640
I mean, this is getting weird. But so when I

1098
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:53.800
looked at all the data, when I looked at all

1099
01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:58.000
the data like a computer geek, Yeah, and looked for

1100
01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:02.000
patterns in the data, which I spent way too much

1101
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:11.520
time trying to do. I found that the continental divide

1102
01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:16.520
of every continent is a place where there's a lot

1103
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:24.479
of sighting reports throughout history, and the coastline is also

1104
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.239
a place where there's sighting reports throughout history. So when

1105
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.319
I gathered like eight thousand all the siting reports I

1106
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:34.960
could ever gather, and I put them on a map

1107
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:41.720
of a North America, it drew basically a really good

1108
01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:46.560
outline of North America, like the entire coastline was where

1109
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:51.520
many of the sighting reports were, and then the continental

1110
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:54.439
divide all along the continental divide, and as you go

1111
01:21:54.600 --> 01:22:00.279
north there are more setting reports, So sitting reports begin

1112
01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:04.479
to be of a high frequency at forty five degrees

1113
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:09.359
latitude and north, and the more north you go, the

1114
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:13.880
more there are. And you can't look at the siding reports.

1115
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.880
You have to look at something I call normalized sighting

1116
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:23.199
report frequency, meaning that everybody looks at how many sighting

1117
01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:26.560
reports there are and they think, hey, you know there's

1118
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:30.920
more here, that's where they're more bigfoot. No, the formula

1119
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:35.399
you got to remember is the number of people per

1120
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:40.039
square mile times the number of creatures per square mile

1121
01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:44.960
equals the probability of seeing the creature. And so this

1122
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:49.680
means that if they're more people, there's more probability of

1123
01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:54.399
a siding report. If there's more animals, there's more probability

1124
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:59.239
of a siding report. But if you factor all the

1125
01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:03.760
siding reports of animals and you divide it by the

1126
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:08.880
population density of human observers, you get a normalized siting

1127
01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:12.680
report frequency that factors in how many people are there,

1128
01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:17.600
and so you get a modified siting report frequency. And

1129
01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:20.239
when you look at that number, that's when you see

1130
01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:26.479
the northward shift and when you see the coalescing of

1131
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:29.760
all the sighting reports around the continental divide. But if

1132
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:34.239
you think about it, the Yawi is seen mostly in

1133
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:38.279
the Blue Mountains of Australia. The Yeti is seen mostly

1134
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:44.279
in the Himalaya. Also the continental divide. Ten Shan Mountains

1135
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.920
are also the k Divide, the Amnesty and the Pamir

1136
01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:54.479
also the continental divide. The Urals Caucasus also the continental divide.

1137
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:58.920
So the entire chain of Continental divide mountains is where

1138
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:05.079
all the different big feet creatures are most often seen worldwide.

1139
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:08.199
And you start to see that pattern when you look

1140
01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:11.319
at all the things endlessly, and then when you look

1141
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:13.880
at it closer, you start to see that the more

1142
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:18.000
north you go above forty five degrees latitude, the more

1143
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:22.079
there are. And really it seems that if we were

1144
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:27.600
way up north, like it looks like probably there's way

1145
01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:33.039
more big Feet in Alaska and the tundra and the

1146
01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:36.359
Northwest territories than there are down here. They're just start

1147
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:40.319
enough people to sam right exactly, That's what it looks

1148
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:43.479
like to me when you look at the normalized sighting frequency. Right.

1149
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:51.960
So this means that studying the tribes that live on

1150
01:24:52.199 --> 01:25:02.520
the continental divide yields the most Bigfoot stories and the

1151
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:09.920
most locations of contacting Bigfoot. But like I said, after

1152
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:15.600
a while, you realize that it's all in your head.

1153
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:20.520
You like, I now know there are people that just

1154
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:22.880
can go out in their backyard and talk to them,

1155
01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:30.840
and I know tribal people that have the relationships, and like,

1156
01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:33.279
I know these people exist. I'm not one of them,

1157
01:25:33.319 --> 01:25:35.600
but now I know they exist, and I'm like, wow,

1158
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:37.920
you know there really are people that are friends at Bigfoot,

1159
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:47.079
you know, really boy, and they're not talking to us, right, Yeah,

1160
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:50.079
you know, like we're we're out, We're out of the loop. Man,

1161
01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:53.079
We're like, we're not in on it. But there really

1162
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:57.880
are these people and they don't they're not in the

1163
01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:02.920
public eye. Most of them are military and tribal, and

1164
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:07.520
military is where I've run into people that there's no

1165
01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:09.159
way more than me. You know.

1166
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:13.199
They're military that have the ability to go into their

1167
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:14.960
backyards and talk to big.

1168
01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:23.479
Yes really yes wow us military wow, yes, yes, yeah, yeh, Henry.

1169
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:27.079
That's where I'm like, well, that's where I'm like, are

1170
01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:30.199
you serious looking for evidence? You guys? I mean, who

1171
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:34.000
you're going to convince? I mean that, And I realized

1172
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:37.960
it's because nobody like me has ever even said what

1173
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:41.079
I'm saying right now, like oh yeah, the government knows

1174
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:46.399
screw it, you guys, come on, you know, everybody's like, well,

1175
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:49.680
I don't know. I've been a part of the community before,

1176
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:54.640
and I know what I'm saying is provocative and will

1177
01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:57.800
you know I'm ready though I'm thick skin these days,

1178
01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:00.840
so but I I mean, I know I'm staring up

1179
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.319
the hornets nest by if anyone cares beyond thinking I'm

1180
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:09.800
just totally insane, and I know how hard it is

1181
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:16.039
to believe, but I also think that events will unfold.

1182
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:21.039
The way I read all this UFOs disclosure stuff and

1183
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:26.399
everything is you'll all come and join me, I hope

1184
01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:27.640
in my lifetime.

1185
01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:34.159
Absolutely. Oh, Henry, it's sounds super fun chatting with you.

1186
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.600
I just want to point out again, I'll have the

1187
01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:40.279
link in the show notes. But feeling in a cooler

1188
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:43.920
way why I never found Bigfoot Henry's new book. I'm

1189
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.439
going to have the previous your previous book linked as well,

1190
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:49.880
because I think that's a fabulous read to an incredible

1191
01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:54.720
resource of all the places mentioned in the US that

1192
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:56.840
have to do with sasquatch and other things.

1193
01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:01.399
It's yeah, really, yeah, they don't covered the same material,

1194
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:02.119
that's for sure.

1195
01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:07.600
Yeah, totally different reads, but both great reads. But anything else, Henry,

1196
01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:10.359
that you'd want listeners to know about, how to keep

1197
01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:13.000
up to date with, you know, stuff you may put

1198
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:14.680
out and things of that nature.

1199
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:20.640
No, I mean, I've got a website but which you'll

1200
01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:25.479
see the link to. But I'm going to present at

1201
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:30.319
the Yakima Bigfoot Con on October twenty eighth. Oh man,

1202
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:34.359
So I'm actually going to do my first public thing

1203
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:43.760
back well, you know, back here in Western civilization. Yes,

1204
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.680
I'm back in Western civilization, and I'm doing the first

1205
01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:50.520
one in twenty I guess I did one in two

1206
01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:54.039
thousand and eight. Somebody pointed out that I first was like,

1207
01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:56.800
I haven't done anything in twenty two years, and they're like, no,

1208
01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:00.560
I saw you in blah blah blah, it's more like fifteen.

1209
01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:05.239
So yeah, fifteen. But it's been fifteen years and I

1210
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:10.600
am now re engaging with all of the bigfoot people

1211
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:13.880
of the world that love Bigfoot, you know, or pursuing Bigfoot,

1212
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:20.199
whatever your thing is. I'm dying to talk Bigfoot again.

1213
01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:25.000
Absolutely, we're glad to chat it with you again. But

1214
01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:28.560
thanks so much for hanging out Henry until the.

1215
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:30.960
Next time having me. Thank you very much.

1216
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:34.399
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1222
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:55.359
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1223
01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:58.279
had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

1224
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:02.560
someone who has. Please reach out to me at Bigfoot

1225
01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:06.039
Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

1226
01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:07.560
Here's the list.

1227
01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.640
If you've had any encounters in Oregon, which I'm sure

1228
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:13.159
there's probably a few of you out there, please feel

1229
01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:16.159
free to reach out immediately. You can use email Bigfoot

1230
01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:17.800
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1231
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:19.319
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1232
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.359
You to all the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members.

1233
01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:26.279
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1234
01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:29.880
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1235
01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:33.079
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1236
01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:36.279
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1237
01:30:37.479 --> 01:30:39.199
and again thanks for listening.

1238
01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:27.960
Her and I can get on here. We can tell

1239
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:31.119
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening.

1240
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:32.960
That's too afraid to tell their story.

1241
01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:36.039
Maybe this will give them the courage to come out.

1242
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:38.840
And I feel so bad about it. Who cares what

1243
01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:41.880
anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's

1244
01:31:41.880 --> 01:32:00.640
out there. That's all I care about it. Please let

1245
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:04.840
people know, Please let them know. If you ever see

1246
01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:06.319
one of these things, you.

1247
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:10.319
Need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you.

1248
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:22.840
You have shame on you.