The Day I Made Contact With Her | Fall Creek, Oregon

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have BIGFOD activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at bigfo Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. Three two one, all right, Big for Society got the privilege of talking to TJ today. TJ's a listener that reached out to me through email. TJ's from the Lane County area of Oregon. Specifically, we could say about thirty miles away from Oakridge, so that gives us a kind of an area of what we're looking at here. BUTJ, thank you for coming on the show today.

1:04 Happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me on. Absolutely so, I think there's going to be some really interesting things that are talked about today. Just in the pre interview, you brought up some stuff that just blew my mind. But let's start with what you reached out to me about first, which is the sighting you had when you were a much younger individual. Correct, yes, I was thirteen, it's scient. Yeah. Is there anything that listeners would also need to know about you? Or is what I said enough for people to know? Do you think. Just about that? If I starter or can't find me and I am a three crime search survivors, give be patient with me here.

1:49 Absolutely, Yeah, that's great. Yeah. So anyway, so I was about thirteen years old, lived in Fell Creek and we are real up on the farm and we had were specifically we raised rabbits for a friar. That's why we made our money for My dad was a robber palmer pretty much for they said, and we've put so rabid back then needs to sell robbers like chickens, server food. And we had about fifteen hundred rabbits and but we go barn and we had goats and all that things, and so we had it found the country. So we had cottle fields all the way around us. And we had a house. And then about hundred twenty thirty feet from the palace is the barn back behind us, and then we had a big old trail we went, say the cow fields. About one hundred hundred one hundred yards or so from the barn was the actual Fall Creek. So I would go back there as a kid and just wander around in the woods back there, and all the buses and saints about the creek. And our favorite thing you was to hunt for special rocks and things. Back then sevaguinea stones which for or anything at a quarts or anything like that.

3:01 And now we can use big rocks to crash open and open the smaller rocks. I doing that one day and as big a rock and smashing the rock, and was about probably about fifteen twenty minutes I was doing this, and all funny, hear this hacking of a sound three behind me to the left, and to figure out it's the same sound I was making the cracking the rocks together. I thought, what the heck is going on here? I thought maybe and we have river others out this. I thought maybe the river roads were eating the river crams kind of thing, because they use rocks crack over the clams, and I thought the three advice an' like that. So I sat there, just steal from a minute, and his rock and cracked against another rock against the sea, and it happened again, and a little bit louder this time. Okay, And so reason then alten that big rock fans flying by me and had been in the creature in front of me. So I freaked out a little bit and to shat there and about, and now I find you.

4:02 I'm a comboy, I'm I'm not a further afraid of montskret from me. I think I was raising in any raising any farmland. And it was three minutes. So I wasn't really afraid of much, because I said a lot of time in the woods and except out in the creek. But a little bit about ankle means Catholic deep. And I sat there and I leaned forward to look around the brushes, and I see this about five foot tall, or so I was five foot fight I at least I say five foot because about saying I as I was, And so I thought five foot tall, and I'm not going to have this thing as I'm now. But back up a little bit. We had in Falt Creek in the hills. We have these people. They're called the mountain people, and then we called that's what we called them. They're just people that have gone and lived in mountains, just regular people that would go into mountains and live and they would throw their hair long and all the stuff and just be this kind of you know, very it's kind of you know, and so if they couldn't afford to living in a home or whatever, I thought that's what this was. So I sat there and said hi.

5:09 I was like, that's how my mom rated me. You next to me, So I said hi, and this kind of thing. The thing looked at me and he said it didn't say anything, but he I think, actually I think it was a shee because it had had feminine pieces on the face and it was it didn't look it looked like the person and it had and it was had longest reddish hair and long hair, curly long, curly hair. And it's nothing like I've seen portrayed in the videos I've seen ever and nothing. It looks for nothing like I've seen. And it looked like a person, but not a person. So I knew it wasn't a person, but it couldn't decide, so I was kind of conflicted, and so then I said hi, and the same kind of smirk, kind of half a mile. So I think it might have been a younger one. You know, it was only five foot tall, so I think I can't imagine what age it was, but I'm sure it was a younger one. But I didn't know then. I s I was like I said, if I was a mountain person, and I didn't even.

6:04 Think about it. So then I just sat there, and it pays anything to me, but walks together in front of himself herself. So I croughed my walks, and again he said, oh to And so I found one that was really pretty that wasn't like a gem story. I found one was ready pretty and set it away from me to get it for her. And she didn't get clothes to step back a little bit of she prayed to me, and I thought, okay, I'm still thinking my mind that this is a mountain person. I just couldn't get that out of my head. I now know today that was probably a sasquatch. Ended the sasquatch, because and now I know what I saw, I know, And so I said the rocket there towards her, and she stopt back away from me like she afrayed us. Okay, gods, I it's just when I leave them to grabbing, he cab yourself, talk to yourself, she said. She didn't say thanks, sorry, came like a conversation, but the fellow grabbing called station. I got up a little bit again, and then I made for you guys my rock so I had rest for myself, and I said, you have a good game and I'll see you later. Because I was inside, it was scary because I was sure what you can do or what mom got were close forever, and because I didn't know, I didn't, so I locked my rocks together. I had my little pouch and I got fully back to way and making eye content whole time. And I saw it back way and it walked fully through the wood to the clearing and I ran my butts in the house because I didn't, and I got in my room at my house. I got my room just I had that breathe for a while. Okay, not sure why I saw

7:37 what I saw, but I think it was that person that was scary because I was a thirteen year old kid. You're not especially any people I think you're lonely, live on loan on this property. You think you're lonely, I'll think you see anybody in the works with you. So that's how that hope went out. That is absolutely fascinating. So I'm gonna say a few things back to you. So it was a five foot tall long curly hair. Now was the curly hair just on top of the head or was it all curly hair that was covered we're. Coming off the head, yes, And then high was a sworder and but it was all blondish colored with like don I think in myself now that I wanted for tack it down by no kind of because you really liked blonde. It was almost white, but there was a redstaurant streaks to it though too. But yeah, it was mostly off. The top of the head was wrong. The head was the conco and there was a round. I think that's why I was a person because I'm around around their head. And the face was not a black at always walk a person's. They had a bigger nose, bigger stock, your greater nose that'smissed down a little bittle bit.

8:44 And then I got a wider mouth and this but with a red lips like a prison. So yeah, I'm not sure what I mean now I know now cl I was a junosqu. I remember, did you notice anything about the eyes in particular? They were but that's I think that's why I thought it was female, because they were more rounder and more feminine looking, and they're dark town of black, and they're dark brown. I had really long eyelashes, Like I thought she was this there was not. I was not twenty twenty twenty five feet away from me, very close. So I was like and now thinking to myself, what the hell is that? But didn't know then I thought it was perfect. I thought it was worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I know that I went and got in trouble.

9:34 Mom and Dad, there was a person in the woods with me, and I got in trouble quick for myself a kid. We wouldn't want that. Were there any white, any white parts to the eyes at all? You said it was a darker eye. Yeah, it was that their eyes were really round and big, and and I didn't know if there was any white to the eyes, and that she did look around, but I didn't really. Maybe I'm not remembering correct because it's been fifty three years ago, four years ago, not fifty forty four years ago, So I don't know's I can't remember really if there was me white and then the eyes were big and black, but they were really more more round and more and more the old corners that came out woman's eye. So I thought she from a woman a girl because said more feminine looking eyes, more stand out on the corners, company and a big long eyelashes.

10:25 Yeah, and this happened. It sounds like in the in nineteen eighty ish. Eighty eight, okay, no, eighty three, eighty three, sorry, eighty thirteen, I suppose, yeah, got it. Did you notice anything about the length of the arms or the hands at all? Yeah, that's one things that I didn't notice that I couldn't really I didn't see her whole valley because she's leaning out. But yeah, I seen you seemed that I had longer, longer arms, and I didn't know how kid things, I thought, And that's crazy. And if I lived in the wood when all my hair growing right back too, and I thought, I never thinking that to myself. It was like, oh wow, my arms, and I was crazy, but I didn't know it all Laine much. But I'm pretty sure now that I think that. Yeah, the lanky and kind of spin leak.

11:17 Yeah, were there air? Sorry, were their ears visible? No, I couldn't see your ears because their hair was so long. Come out the top of her head, and it's almost like they weren't like ringless coming out, but it's just long and wavy, curly come off on top of her head. And at first I could spend it better for you, but and then the hair went down the back like that I could see. I only saw in front of her backet looks like here when they down in the back, But then there's some hairs going hanging down in front of her face as well. I can It was up, I would say, from the eyebrow, from the from the forehead coming down. I think the hair I'm coming off her head was like agents and that's really oh wow. Yes, yeah, we're actually very pretty.

12:07 And that's not the reason if I was saying, because she had long pretty hair. So yeah, craziness. So it sounds like the entire entire subject was covered in hair. Would you were you able to see anything like muscles or any other features under the hair at any time? Yeah? Yeah, her hair, her hair was not long over and mostly ill her head like I said, but hair on the legs and eyes were shorter but against like blonde hair. And then I could see her calf her, I mean her legs leaned out. I see her calf muscles were cuge, but like I said, against Stingley, very cute. Yeah, very muscular also and arm muffle. I couldn't see because you said that were back and leaning forwards unless I was a left left foot calf and then I didn't.

12:56 And because I was, because I got s getting around, I didn't think about looking for a printer name because I was just gagging back out there. Sure, kidnap a mountain person exactly. You mentioned already that the mouth was pretty wide. The area above the upper lip but below the bottom of the nose is called the phil trump. Did you notice anything particular about that, like how long that length would have been? Was it longer than a humans would be, et cetera? A little bit? And her face was longer period than a person's of course not. This is I'm coming to this now. Looking back now, I think about these things, and I think her face a little bit longer than a person's parts the nose, the upper lips. I guess it was a little bit longer. I wouldn't say it was like overly long, but I guess I didn't know all that much except the same three years ago. But I think I get lost in oh goody, But yeah, I think I don't think it was not much longer, A little bit longer, not much. But she had, like I said, regular lips, and she she was longer to let you judged you out forward a little bit. I remember that part too, And she had about an inch tattoo and strong beard hair off. She sure that's why it competing thought he was a female. I mean, it's got beard.

14:21 How long again, do you think you had a time frame of actually looking at it? I would say, between me saying hi and me getting it out and backing up and go in this black and woods, I think about maybe it's that's pretty actually from my hearing, I've been long encounter by about maybe two minutes, three minutes. Maybe yeah, it's greet Yeah, because we said, sat there for a while and just judged each other. And she can smirch her a half now, not no tea showing, but her mouth went up. But guy, she's saying high back of me kind of thing. It was really for people kind of get serious that time was and then again as I was the person on them, so I thought, okay, now I did think it was personally because I probably wasn't even more freaked out if I know it, squirt, No, it's just like I said that pulls mouth smirk because all shamy.

15:14 Got it, got it? Yeah? And did you smell anything? Oh? Yes, that's right. I thought we have tons of grown clue stuff out there, and I thought I smell sc like I'm smell different. That's weird. And so I didn't offense because we smell scirgl some all time, so I didn't think and I didn't have blued off the name think about it, but yeah, we have the smelest you know. And then they thinking back on actually I was back home and then think about that, I can I smell terrible? What what was up? So? Yeah, it was terrible. It was like a like a dog poob you're in dead meat? Ye yeah, yucky pigs for.

16:00 Society will be right back after these messages. Were there any other sounds that you heard it make at all? Oh? Yeah, she kind of did this suck though, just kind of I thought she kind of I told that when she made kind of it like she's trying to say or I'm not sure that's what she's tried you. But she just m and she did it quite freakily, just a little tiny just grudged. That's oh God. And that's the reasonhy I didn't think she was that's not reas why I didn't think she was very aggressive. And she was just acknowledged me. I think there's this acknowledgment high here.

16:52 I am bubbles here working, look at each other, king, I'm looking at you. You could be okay, well, okay, what would you say that the number one thing would be that told you that you were looking at a Sasquatch and not one of these mountain people of Fall Creek. Back then, I didn't think any a different mountain person. But now that I'm thinking back and looking, I'm thinking myself. Now I'm thinking it would see this stance, the way she stood and being forward and not like a person would stand. That got upright kind of back in versonal stand was was I play with a person will stand?

17:35 And that and the longer hair, all that hair, and the way her face was shaped so it was not personal shape, the jutted out chin and that the big er foreheads and things like that, and just I have to see all the other examples of not necessarily not just give me, I'm sorry, not necessarily the Patty footage. But seems nothing like Buddy. It's very a lot lighter skinned. And I won't say it wasn't light skin like white people skin, but I think it was more like a darker tan skin. And then and then I know, I know, I think that's noe reason. I think I thought maybe she's more like a person because she just looked she had testing not anything else.

18:16 Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, it sounded like you were able to see I'm just going to say, see her move around. Did you notice out of the ordinary about the way that it was walking or the gate of it as it walked around. I didn't really walk around. She stayed there. Froze it with me for those streamingutes, because yeah, she didn't really walk around. She was there, and they want befriend the moods we could stay together and didn't really other than me say, hid her grunting her the things she did, And then I felt she didn't really move much other than that so other than the leaning forward is just over see me. That's pretty much all she did. And there was no really walk in movie. Anything, So yeah, gotcha. It reminded me, howsy the encounter ended again?

19:04 Oh, I stooped up my rocks. I left the rock for her, because I said, were you go, here's rock. You can have one of my rocks. It was pretty rock with anything, especially al fars pretty. So I gave her one of my rocks and laid on the bank next to me. You can have this one. And I got it up my little rock for my pouch, and I had spot with me and I backed away. Give me eye contract, But there's sure what's gonna happen? Then? And I was scared, not scared. It's just an easy, not really scared. It's an easy. That was some shree And so I backed up in the woods and then and backed up and walked fully fully back to the clearing up behind my house, and then ran the house and run my room.

19:46 Gotcha. You mentioned before that the area you were living at was a rabbit farm with about fifteen hundred rabbits. Yeah, did you guys ever encounter do you think any of these coming close to where the rabbits are or was that? Did you ever notice anything weird happening around the house. The only thing we ever and again we saw it was just regular sure what what that was, but we would we had gays. At one point we stopped coming gates because they kept getting missing and we'd hear the gates and I'm honking not crazy, freaking out and then we get to say we have a gift missing and then but they never really bother at the rabbit Brown, which I'm surprised because I figured they would be in there and my dad would have a mineer pile back up the front that we would have the revenue because we sold that to for Furtilizer for gardens and they have a number high pile and you noticed that there's people there was some day digging in it all times.

20:46 So I didn't know what it was. But the back then we didn't have the cameras we'd put out or nothing, but they would talk some respect then. But so he just was someday digging the renewal pile. So I don't know if they were idiots hurt taking it first, I know what they were taking it for. But even if it was that tecon It, I know, but Sary was digging in the moon New pile all times. If we knew and that and the gift Nissine, and we never I never Brook I said, we never thought to look for any kind of friends or anything because we know they exist out there, because this is not like in town. But it's not. It's out of the country, yes, but it's not like in the actual force or anything. It's like we have Ne's the Creek and it's you know, Oakridge's hope it's done in it for us kind of but down we go down for there. You probably drove past Fall Creek when you drove up to Okridge, So I took I.

21:35 Took fifty eight down from Eugene, so I would have been driving through Dexter. But I didn't go up on that Jasper Lull Road or whatever it's called. Not throat I lived on. Was that Fual Road? Okay? Back then? Yeah, yep, so you know what's that? Yeah, I'm it might be an area I need to check out next time I go out there, for sure. There's so many different things I could check out. Were you saying. Right? Were you saying that? How many times have you shared this story before. This one other time. Oh wow, okay, so my best friend to my best friend, I didn't find my family or anything about because by the back then I thought I was in trouble for being by the creek by myself.

22:23 I talked to a lot of people when I was at that festival in Oakridge about sightings in the area, and there were more than a few of them that said, I had something happen over by Fall Creek or by Windberry. Oh okay, no, that's good. Growing up, did you ever hear any other things happening in this area as well? Never? No, never, wow, not there No, extremely interesting. It's just such a stigument. It's more so than there is now. You've just got crazy. If you back then, if you thought, if you thought it. Was sasquatted something else, something that got mentioned to me in passing at that festival. They said that there was actually a study that was done, I want to say, in the seventies in that area about the was it wild Man of Windbury. I don't know if I'm saying that, but oh well, I don't know if any listeners have any info about that. But it was just an in passing thing that I heard one of the larger universities out there.

23:31 Yeah, I was born and raised out there, and I heard anything about that guy, So. I know, yeah, any other just asking passing any other things you've heard about Bigfoot in that area of where east of Eugene, down in Fall Creek or even down to Oakridge, that whole area. Yeah, And that's the funny thing is my cousins were raising Oakridge. They went from Bursford. This is one of us hopes that was there. And I asked one of them, one that lives here in town by me, and asked if people have seen anything out there? But I like this when he said nope, never And so I said, awesome street because I know they spent a lot of time in the woods and the boys they have there's four three boys and four girls and they all spend all the time there all time, boys like me, and so the girls were anyway and that, Yeah, they said they never saw anything. Any sad question, there's nothing, which I thought was maybe they had not taught me the truth.

24:31 You never know that. That's because they don't know what for either. There's a lot of people where I would talk to them and it took them a while to open up, which is is understandable, but yes, that that happens sometimes where it takes people a while to open up. Now, you had mentioned something really interesting in the pre interview that came up, and I was actually, oh, let's talk about that later because this sounds pretty wild. And it was a story about your grandfather. Uh huh do you mind sharing that? Yeah, yeah, I kind of tell the investor's soul. He was the best guy. He's just closely nice and some a lot. He he used to be a minor down in They lived in Happy It was called Happy Camp.

25:22 It's gone by Hoopoc, California, And so they lived in Hats Camp on the roset vers there and he and the group of guys were miners down there they Minds Creek, and he had told story to me allegedly that he and his buddies were miney on the side of the creek when passing them and filmed their partty and and I didn't never realize what that was until these days now I see them filmal partty and like what back that I never saw those contacts. We've been watching all TV back then. We have a TV backen because that's how old I am. Yeah, yeah, it's so, and so I thought that was cool and so he I never thought he was crazy or anything that I thought that was pretty interesting. And my uncle had confirmed that he has told us for him as a kid as well, so that was his son, and so I thought, I tell him you to think, I said, he has no reason why me. He his grundaughter. So but yeah, and he just didn't say a whole lot about it than he heard the whoop and the cleaning it while they're running, and they looked over and they saw Paris of Gumman had this on their horses, and then they saw their film from looking across the creaking they saw and then he looked over and said, oh my gosh, that's what they say. He didn't know what it was. And then after then the news came out and I was saying that, I thought, then he knew what it was the chastcars they saw. So that's cool, my my klind of fame.

26:44 So absolutely. So this is where it gets really interesting because I want to clarify a few things because the Patterson Gillen film does not have sound to it, right, you've always seen it, There's no sound However, what you're saying is that your grandfather was mining in an area that was close to where the filming was happening, and they heard a scream. Scream, I heard the killments hollering you the carol here was older, and then heard the craft and apparently that was when Patterson fell, because they they fell up. Yeah, and so he grassing and then he has are you okay?

27:25 And there's all that kind of stuff and things got that, and then he looked and then that when he looked over on the other side kick and saw Patty, he said, if they hitched off on the back, So if you look at Patty Chilm, she's looking directly at the camera, and then grandfather would be down downstream to left, but then he left more down probably. Yea, my goodness. So you're saying, so they didn't hear like a bigfoot scream, but they did hear Patterson and Camlin yelling at each other. Hey yeah and yes, okay, okay. Are you all also saying that your grandfather looked over and saw Patty as well? Yeah, yeah he did, oh my goodness, but from a different viewpoint.

28:10 And my grandma didn't believe him, and so my Grandma's like, I'll stop telling that for it. And here's a really crappy part. Jeremiah said, my grandfather, my grandmother there away all his pictures and all the stories when she's when he died, she was all craps. I know, Yeah, my grandmother was very nice. Kind of things did she throw away? There's just a story the journal he had, cat tells about minding and things like that, things he saw and stuff like that. But then he sees her all the way, not just because not just we pushed all that and she's just journaling and things like that. There were some pictures of him in the game, and I would try to pictures to see if there's anything in the background, to see if there's anything there to see, because guys, we're hearing now that they saw a couple other ones back in the background in the woods behind Patty from wondering. Now, if I had those pictures, I could see see if there was anything in background those pictures that there's any other question, that's pictures he had that area, and think so and I remember being in there your ard things because Happy Camp is very proaway from Love Creek at all.

29:21 I'm sure I'm sure they were in her their house as well. I'm sure they used to go down there and visit with them all the time, about drive from where they lived. Yeah, that's incredible. Oh my goodness. So even if there was something that would have proved that your grandfather was there, it was thrown away when your grandmother cleaned house. Nick. See, my grandmother was one of those studies that just did did her duty by the man she was with. And and then once and they're gone. That's what they did back because they they born in one and anasing team. So they like, that's just what they did back then.

30:01 As we're gone, he's gone. What an incredible story. That's part of that story. Did your grandfather ever describe Patty in all at all or what he saw or anything like that. I don't remember. He only never described much of anything. I think scared to say anything about it at all because he told my cousin and I when we were alone with him, and because he's afraid of my grandma walking and said, I was shut up that. Big for society will be right back after these messages. Okay, yeah, yeah, scared my grandpa.

30:54 Yeah I'm not comfort Oh yeah, she want for sure my grandpa. He's the sweet guy though, But my cousin I was he hitn't down the flap, and he did tell stories at the stories at all kinds of different ways, and I should miss that guy. He's fun, he's fun. It's a good grandpa. He sounds like he had probably the best stories. Just one of those gosh, yeah yeah, And I don't matter what they matter? What what he told you that we were on his kneels? What? Absolutely wow, he's great. Yeah, incredible. And then how crazy is it that he had to he was part of that famous sighting and then you about less than twenty years later, have your own.

31:40 It's wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I really wish. No, I don't know if I wish now that I knew or not, And I better live in hindsight. I'm not sure. But if I knew, if I had known, if that was as I'm not sure how it would have felt if after that my grandparent had told our stories about that. So I didn't know, you know whatever, So I didn't know. I think being cofort in my story for Grandpa, I didn't know because, like I said, if he loves nothing that Patty, it's totally different, different face shape different, longer, little blond hair. So that's why to this day, I believe that there's different species of that big I think there's different types. I believe that now because we constant to having long long hair and did different face shape got posed to these morest quadier black hair, short hair, and they more quishy short face like that. I don't know.

32:41 I really believe that there has to be just like animals, I guess, and a dog casting though the same same species that just different breeds kind of thing. That's the case with catchwash too. Just a double check, just a double check. As part of the story, you're grandma, You're sorry your grandfather would share with you. Was there. Did he ever say anything like yeah, afterwards we went over and talked to Roger and Bob or like we would talk to him afterwards, we had any sort of interaction with him. No, I think it happened so quick. And like I said, they were on the crew. I think they were on a time link. I'm not sure what it was, but they had a crew off all kind of stuff for the back then. They because the actual business and mining businesses back then. If my grandpa worked for so that's it wasn't just. It just wasn't just. How do you think it was like a job?

33:34 Oh yeah, exactly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he I think he they've heard the home heard the I'll watch what happened everything like that. And then he didn't say they talked for anything like that or I don't know if his mom boss sorry did that. That's funny. When talked about I don't know about that, but they. Didn't know what if what absolutely fascinating story that alone could be just I could put you down a rabbit hole to try to do you think I know, yeah, you're like, I've been doing it. So you did mention though? That was it? Your uncle was the one that would talk to him a lot about it.

34:18 Yeah, it was sip Son so yeah actually son, so yeah, they grow with him. Yeah, okay, is that individual with us anymore or not? I don't know. I don't know that. We haven't talked to you years, so I don't. Absolutely. Yeah, if fate has it, if they're listening, reach out, stuff like that happens on this show. It's really weird. Connections will come out of nowhere. Yeah, I know, it's crazy, how and so me maybe it's sober Mindora say, how dare you is what it is? Right? Yeah, I'm sure your grandpa would be tickled too or ecstatic to hear that his story is being shared with tons of people that appreciate it.

35:09 Right, And I have to thank you because it went pretty people like you and it feels so comfortable in telling the stories. And so I've got that for a long time. That company is his story told he needs honestly thought, I run a boo book on my grandpa and how those stories it's all fascinating, not just this one, but all fascining. Also, I think he went through and went many days and grown up as kid and things like that, and it's just so awfo interesting. So but I think I appreciate having the platforms to tell the stories and get them out there. And you're right, he would think it's great and he yeah, finally for me.

35:49 Here and they're all really excited about it and they're going to be probably talking about it for a while. Wow. Thank you for the kind words. That's why I do this show is so people can get their stories out, and even people that aren't with us anymore, they can get their stories out as well through their relatives that are still here and t J, I just appreciate you coming on. Did you have any you know, just to check? Did you have any other things that you would want to share before we start to wind down our time together. I don't think so. I think that's pretty muchee it. I just from my appreciation for you and have me on and they must get enough phrase out there. And like I said, I watched, I've been to watching a lot of shows. We just get catch up on thasy done. And one comes out and all the locations set and where I can see whenever time he comes out, and I love all the prasons And this is here's the thing I want to ask, and I want to ask the listeners too. You once you have had this encounter, some people are like, I have seen one. I don't want every want to see one again, simply oh gosh, I can't wait to see one again. And I'm on the fence about it, and I sell one. And my experience was so calm and just not frightening. I think I could go ahead and have one to see one again, but I'm not sure how I would feel it would now, No, it was flash blassed. If I want to feel about it something I feel one importunate that I did see her, but the same inspectime, I just needed that, and don't go

37:22 see any more do I just go out seeing if I could see one again. But then what I've heard though too they go out look for it, you won't see it, and a few are just turning out throwing up being defineum. TJ that that is such a great thing to bring up. And I've talked to so many people over the years, and I think what it comes down to, and I experienced this oak ridge in the woods as well, is that it's really not about going out. Man. Five years ago, I wouldn't even I would listen to myself now and I'd be like, what are you talking about? But for now, what I'm learning is it's not about going out there and hitting the trees or making the calls.

38:09 It's about literally just have a chair, sit down, enjoy the nature, have the right motivation, and then just let it happen. And I'll tell you, if the right people are there with the right attitudes, you're going to experience stuff and it will come to you eventually and it will just blow your mind. I had it happen to me personally. And I know some people are listening to this and be like, you're crazy. I experienced it. I'm telling you, yeah, you could do that. I know what it's all. Yeah. Absolutely, And I haven't had a visual yet, but I think if I keep going to especially at this corridor area, this fifty eight quarter from like Eugene down to Oak Ridge and even past it, maybe down to Odell Lake and over to Crescent, this whole area is just crazy. I think eventually there'll be something that happens.

39:04 So we'll see. Yes. Yeah, And the Upper Frall Creek a place called the Little Fall Crak too, is Upper Fall Creek is more back in the woods where the mountain people live. I would say there's primars settings up there too, but I would like to hear from people out there if they have any sends out there, they live out there. Oh okay, So you're saying Fall Creek and then you take the road out to Little Fall Creek. That's pretty far out there, but it's still a community. Yeah, yeah, you take it's not community, but it's more just more country and it's going down to Jest for a little road, just a little road, and then through once you get to the intercession to go towards Unity or all you keep going and then that's up the little Fall Creek here.

39:50 Now are the roads up there? Are they like they're probably like dirt roads or that is still paved up there. They're paid, they're prettyick. Yeah. Yeah, if you come up, if you come out to pray, I love to show you around to take out there. Get the fun. Yeah, you can't different way out their way again. I well, I'll keep it in mind. That whole area, and thank you for the offer. There's so there's so much wild stuff, even down in the Dexter area, and like Elijah Bristow ye low that whole area is just seems wild too. Low is at that price and set Yeah Lowell Bot Lowell Little Bot. And it's right up above Dexter, up above Gester. Yeah, okay there, and that's pretty much that's there's a lot of housing projects of that now. But I'm sure there people that have had terns up there.

40:43 I'm pretty sure, because I know there's one back in the day's heard at now and not recently, but I know that back in the day of us had sign me out there. We've heard about it recently. Somebody saw one out there. Oh wow, just off to the side. Do you think that the whole mountain people of Fall Creek are that's still a thing that might happen up there. Oh yeah, definitely, just and and and Codge Grove as well. They have people up there to the people in the hills, call people that live and cog go to calling people the hills, and we called mountain people. Yeah, wow, crazy, I know. It's just just it's very interesting. It's very really just not sure. And I'm not sure now I here still here of them, and I'm not sure that if they're and it's a lot of stuff going on, just whatever happens with them, and they don't go to school and Todas live up there.

41:42 Oh wow. Okay, so it's a whole different world and the rules don't apply. And be careful when you go out there. Okay, I got it. You never know, right, Okay, your morning, right. This is called foreshadowing, right, But yeah, I when I go out there, you definitely want to have people with you that know the area. And I'm not just going out in the woods by myself, especially out in this area. American not a smart idea. Great, Yeah, take a big man with a bat with you. Out there, it's a whole different world.

42:22 And that's saying I was running too, And I think I said email about this before. Why don't hear a lot of studies in Hawaiian. I think it's because it's on it just on an island. That's a good question, right, because there are stories from cultures on other islands, Papua New Guinea, I believe there's other examples of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. If anyone has any ideas, feel free to share them. But I've never actually really thought of that before. I've just been like, that's a thing where they're just not there, right, yeah, who knows?

43:05 Even interesting to hear somebody just talk to talk about it, or they're after you there and just going to live alone wherever. I don't know, because they're the native natives who go out there too. Beginning try about. That it is TJ. Has been a pleasure chatting with you. Thanks again so much for coming on the show. If if you stumble upon anything else, any other stories or things you remember later, feel free to reach out. I'd always love to chat with you and maybe our paths will cross someday, so I. Think it'd be great. You're a big Foot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every.

44:17 One of you listening Bigfoot Society podcasts hosted by our Captain, Jeremiah Byron. Whereas all Bigfoot all the time. Have you ever had the urge to do more? To be more? Now? You can by joining Bigfoot Society on the Patreon, get out free episodes and even member only episodes, take part in movie Night and even live video chats, interact behind the scenes with Jeremiah and other Patreon members like me Slay it the powerful podcast goes on, and you may contribute a verse in our Patreon community carpadm Seize the day, Bigflitters and make your lives extraord.

45:00 Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email. Here's the list. If you've had any encounters in Oregon, which I'm sure there's probably a few of you out there, please feel free to reach out immediately. You can use email Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. A special thank you to all the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members.

45:52 It's your support that helps keep the show going and I extremely appreciate it. If you want to join in the fun, you can join over at Patreon dot com forard slash the Bigfoot Society. I'll see you there and again. Thanks for listening.