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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, a truck driver shares one of the most unsettling and emotional Sasquatch encounters ever documented. While hiking and practicing bushcraft in the Southern California mountains, he comes face-to-face with a massive, humanoid figure unlike any Bigfoot description he had ever heard before. What follows is a prolonged visual encounter, detailed physical observations, and an experience that challenges everything we think we know about Sasquatch behavior.


Years later, during a remote stay in the same mountain region, the witness believes the same mysterious being saved his life by aggressively warning him of an approaching wildfire—throwing rocks at his shelter until he escaped just moments before the flames arrived. The encounter left him convinced that whatever he encountered was intelligent, aware, and protective rather than hostile.

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You're listening to Big for the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. I've

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got the privilege of talking to a gentleman tonight. His

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name is Arturo. He's from the South Oregon area. He's

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a truck driver. He's got some really interesting things he's

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experienced over the years, and we've been kind of going

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back and forth for a bit, but his info came

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out of nowhere, and I'm glad I'm actually able to

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talk to him on air now. And Arturo, how are

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you doing tonight, sir?

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Oh?

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Pretty good, fantastic And the road is treating you well

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out there.

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Yeah, it's not the time of the year to really

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build the snow and ice and all that. So summertime

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is a high mileage, good base. So I really enjoy

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the spring and the summer, fall and winter and whin.

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I gotta be a little more cautious with other drivers

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and road conditions, but right now it's a great time

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of year to be driving truck.

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Absolutely, just you in the open road sounds great. Well, Arturo,

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You've got some really interesting things to share. We talked

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a little bit earlier today and the stuff that you

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told me then, I was like, Wow, this is going

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to be a very unique one. I'm excited to get

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into it. So Arturo, I'm gonna let you go ahead

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and take us where we need to go with what

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you've experienced.

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Okay, Well, it's going to be a two part thing.

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The first part will be my personal experiences and what

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happened to me back in twenty two, and the second

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part will be account of the story of I know

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what happened in southern Oregon. But I guess I'll start

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with the twenty ten My personal experience. I've always been

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a kind of heavier set guy. I was like about

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two hundred and fifty pounds since high school and a

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couple of years before my incident, I had been a

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really bad car wreck and I ended up being in

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intensive care for a long time and bedridden for a

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couple of months and like, you know, whole year of

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therapy just be able to walk good again and all that.

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And during that period, I'd put on about another one

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hundred pounds. I was really large, up like three hundred

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and fifty pounds, and my health became a big concern

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for me. And I've always been kind of into like

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pushcraft and survivalism, and you know, since I was a

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kid watching terminator and you know, things like that, and like,

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you know, a lot of things like that, and then

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but I really into the wilderness and outdoors. So I decided,

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for the better my health, was gonna start doing some

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you know, short hikes and maybe getting out and practicing

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a little bushcraft. So I started to do that. In

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southern California and this area between Orange County and Riverside County,

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there was a road that kind of divided into two

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counties on this mountaintop, but below that in the valley

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there was a couple of creeks with small waterfalls and

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things like that. There was a basically BLM road that

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went up into the area. So I started going there

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as far as I could drive, and then i'd park

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my truck and I was doing these short hikes about

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three quarters of a mile in and I'd hang out

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the creek and you know, mess around the bushcraft and

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practicing doing like bow drill and hand drill, starting fires

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and different things like that, do some woodcarving, and I

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was doing that for a while, and then eventually there's

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too many accidents on that mountain of people, mostly like

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high school kids partying up in the hills and driving

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off the edge of the sides of the mountains and

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lay it to a couple of fatalities. So they closed

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the road down where I used to drive in to

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get to that area. So then it became a thing

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of you know limitation on the If I was going

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to hike in there, it became about about five and

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a half to maybe six and a half mile hike

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to get to that area where I was hanging out.

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So I decided to start, you know, hiking in and

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bringing a hammock so I could just stay overnight or

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hike in, hang out for the day, you know, have

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a little fun, stay the night and then hike out

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the next day so I wouldn't have to, you know,

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try to do a ten twelve mile hike in one day.

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So I started doing that for a while. Started building

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a pretty decent kind of permanent structure. But there was

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a small series of mines and caves and stuff over

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there where they used to look for I think they're

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looking for copper and over and different minerals and stuff.

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But they basically all ran dry and had got closed down.

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So the Forager Service had went in and put concrete

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and rebar up on all the interests to close them off.

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But I found one of those was a fairly good

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sized opening, and I noticed that there was constantly a

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draft that pulled into the cave. So I was like,

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you know, it's gonna be an awesome location to build

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a little permanent structure. So that's what I did, and

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had a little fire pit to the back I built,

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and really nice. I could have a small fire in there,

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and the smoke always draft into the tunnel and come

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up out the hill somewhere. So I fortified the entrance

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real good. It was built it real nice, and behind

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a big brushline. It was really hard to find the spot,

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and I always try to take different routes going to

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my little you know, hideaway. But at the time of

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doing that, I had this little Chihuahua mixed dog that

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I had gotten was a rescue my former employer. His

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wife was real big on resking every animal, you know,

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she'd find strays, bring him back and all this. But

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this little dog end up being a crazy dog and

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little tiny Chiwala just scared everybody. And they told me

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if I could take him for a couple of days,

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they could, you know, find an owner somebody'd be willing

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to take him. And the dog ended up just like

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just falling me around everywhere and bade me and everything.

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So I decided to keep that dog and solve the

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whole problem, and then I d having somebody to do

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my little hikes with me and stuff. But the dog

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really didn't like anybody or listen to anybody. Anybody got

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within ten fifteen feet of me or anybody at my house,

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he'd start growling and barking and you know, just pull

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Chihuahua yapp and thing. But I started to notice when

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we were hiking in when we got to a certain

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point where there was this ridge My dog would always

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get distracted and he'd put his ears up, like if

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i'd call whistle for the dog, whatever you get here,

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you know, he put his ears up. He'd look around

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and he'd run right at me. And he never did

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that for anybody else, like ever, not even the people

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who live with me. He just wouldn't respond to anybody.

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But I started noticing we get to this point, he'd

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put his ears up like if I was calling him,

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and he'd just go running off in the bush, go

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trying to get up to that ridge up there. And

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I started bothering me, like, what is this dog hearing?

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It's like attracting him so much that he's just completely

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disobeying my commands, you know, running off. So you know,

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I started, you know, kind of watching him more, and

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I got to the point where he was just like

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he'd take off and he'd be gone for like an hour.

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I just continue hiking towards my little bushcraft shelter I built,

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and I just got really annoised this. I started putting

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him on a leash when we go past the section,

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and I started to realize that, like, whoever time we

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go to that section, besides the dog acting, you know,

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completely out of the ordinary, just completely you know, different

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from his normal day to day. I started noticing I

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always had this sensation of you know, being watched, you know,

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and then I started thinking, oh, well, maybe somebody else

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has a camp there. Maybe it's you know, there there

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was some transient and homeless people in the area that

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used to camp out there, but they're more down the

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valley towards all where the massive amount of citrus, orange

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groves and grapefruit were and things like that, so I

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wasn't really thinking it was that. And then I thought,

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you know, it's just a weird feeling. And one day

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in particular, we were walking in the ridges above me

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to my left side, and it was probably about sixty

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seventy yards up the side of this hill was a

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real steep cliff. As I was walking, it was a

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real quiet day, like hardly no wind, nothing, and everything

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got real quiet, and I started actually hearing like leaves

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rustling and things like that. And then at one point

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I saw a couple of little small rocks like rolled

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down the well. So it caused me to look up

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to my left and I realized that my dog was

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already staring up at that direction. The whole time we

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were walking, So I started really paying attention to that

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ridge to the left of me. So I'm just like

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walking ahead and just kind of focusing to my left

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the whole time, and I'm really getting that eerie feeling

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of just being watched. So I just come to a

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complete stop. I started glancing the ridge, and then that's

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that's when I saw him, right. And you know, I've

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heard a lot of things about, you know, Bigfoot being

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this big giant, you know, gorilla ape and type things

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like that. What I saw was nothing looking like a Bigfoot,

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you know. And the way, the best way I can

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explain it is like I grew up in the early

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eighties watching wrestling and Halgain and all that, and I

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kind of pictured it. It'd be like Andrea the Giant

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that they had from wrestling back in the day. But

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it looked like Andre the Giant with like totally straight hair,

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not curly hair. The hair was had like a light

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red tint to it, but with a lot of gray hair,

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like an old man. But it looked like a caveman,

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you know, like not with like you see with like

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the loincloth, you know, patch of animal for over him.

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Carrying a club. It just looks kind of like a Neanderthal,

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but just like really huge, like Andrea the Giant. So

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I stopped. I'm like staring at it, and I'm like,

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so the fuddo, I'm so confused on what I'm seeing.

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I just start to slowly just keep walking forward, and

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I'm staring up at the hill and what I'm seeing

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starts to walk forward too, and it's and it's staring

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right back at me, and my dog is full eye contact.

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I'm walking almost like twenty thirty yards staring up the

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hill as the thing I'm watching goes to where there's

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like a clearing of trees and it's not such a

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wide open part of the ridge. The thing I'm watching

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is watching me so intently, just like I'm watching him.

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The thing I'm watching walks right into a tree branch

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that was right at its head level and just smacked

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it in the head. And so I was like, what

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I saw the whole tree shape real bad, and the

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thing let out this roar like a yelped like like

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I tried to explain my one buddy. It's like, you know,

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like you're walking down the hallway, you know, the middle

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of the night you get have to take a leak,

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and you're walking down the hallway and you just stub

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your toe, you know, just like unexpected pain out of nowhere,

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and you're like, oh, you know, you know, he's let

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out a sound, you know, and it was kind of

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like that, and then it looks stunned, and then it

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and it looked away from me, looked at the tree branch.

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It put its left arm up to where his left

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arm was like level with its eyesight, almost grabbed the

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branch and it just bent it all the way back,

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snapped it off and kind of squirted it away a

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little quicker, and it just disappeared. And then no more sound,

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no more nothing. And I was so confused. I kept

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trying to just play back in my mind of what

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I just saw, and I really started thinking about it,

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and like the way the body was, I just kept thinking, like,

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you know, like this is like a really old, like

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really obese man, you know, like I'm a big guy

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walking out there, I'm struggling to make this hike all

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the time, you know, and I'm seeing this other creature

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that looks way very very old and very very heavy

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set too, but with a lot of muscle. And what

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I remember when I was looking at it. I used

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to work at a animal shelter probably three or four

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years prior to that, and we had a dog that

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came in that we had a quarantine and kind of

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putting its own separate kennel out in the field in

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a different area and all that. And I'm like, well,

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why's that dog out there? And they say, oh, well,

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that dog has made uh it's real highly contagious. You know,

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the other animals can get it real quick. We gotta

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keep them separate. You know. If we go in there

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to feed them, we have to bleach the things down.

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I have to wear rubber boots and gloves and everything's

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got to get bleached to sanitize. But I remember about

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the dog having kind of like big patches of fur

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missing that looked all like scratched up and kind of scabby.

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And that was the same thing that I saw on

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you know, where I referred to was under the giant

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and I had I just remember having big patches of

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like where it had been like scratching at itself to

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where like the fur was gone and it was just

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like raw, kind of scabby, you know, nastiness underneath it,

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and it just looked like in such poor health. Like

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it was like, you know, I'm out there struggling, and

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you know, and I see this other thing and I

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and then I was thinking, is this thing always following me?

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Because you know, he's feeling sorry for me trying to

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getting up this ridge, up this hill all the time?

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Was there like a sympathetic thing, you know, like when

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I walked through, he walks through just to you know,

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see if I can make it or is he you know,

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somehow kind of like sublimly like encouraged me to keep

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going every time that I'm you know, struggling trying to

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get through, and basically, you know, he went over the ridge,

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I lost sight of him, and then uh, I had

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to spend it like the next three or four hours

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almost like trying to figure out how to get up

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to that spot where I saw the thing, you know,

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And it was very difficult as a high steat ridge.

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So I had a micing it, hiking ahead about a

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quarter mile trying to find a way up, couldn't find

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nothing where I could because it's so vertical steep. I

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couldn't get up there. So then I had hiking back

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about a quarter mile backwards, and I found a little

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small kind of game trail, but was still pretty steep,

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but I was able to get up the hillside by

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just like pulling on the roots of different trees and

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little shrubs. I got myself up there, and I got

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to the spot where he had smacked his head on

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that branch and just reached up and just broke that

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whole branch. And the first thing I noticed that that

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branch was like four or five inches stick. You know.

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It was a very bottom branch of the tree of

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a big, big tree, so it was a nice stick branch.

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And I was thinking, how did it snap that? And

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then I went closer, got up there, and I was

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trying to grab it to see, you know, just how

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stiff or whatever the branch was. That's when I realized

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that the branch was so high up. You know, I'm

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only five ten, and I put my arm up as

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high as I could put it up, so that I

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don't know if that's another foot and a half up

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or so, and I couldn't even touch the branch. I

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had to pull out my little hiking stick, the telescoping

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one I had, and with it just like one slot

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like halfway out, so I had had about another foot

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and a half or so. It's you know, the height

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of my arm. I was able to smack that branch,

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and it was a live green tree. Where the break was,

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it looked really fibrous. You can see like the fibers

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in the tree like splintering open, and even had like

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a slight bit of sap kind of oozing out by then, but.

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It was a totally fresh tree big so a society

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will be right back after these messages.

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And then I started thinking about like when I'm doing bushcraft,

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and sometimes I don't feel like really soalling through material

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to build for you know, certain structures or for just

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firewood or kindling whatever. A lot of times I'll find

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a tree or two trees next to each other or

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kind of wedge into v shape, and I'll take dead

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standing wood that I find, it's maybe two three inches

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in diameter, and I'll wedge it down between the tree

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and then I use my upper body to press against

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it and then kind of use a pendulum. You'll use

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a little leverage to just snap the tree. But that

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only works on dead trees. You know, if it's something

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live green tree, you're gonna be pulling at It's just

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gonna aband and bend and not snap if anything is

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gonna you know, shove me back on the ground. So

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then I was just so confused about that. I didn't

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know what to do. I just looked everything start stared

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there for a while. Realized it was already getting pretty

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dark at that point because it took me forever to

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get up there, and I'm like, well, either I had

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to keep going forward to get to my shelter or

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head back to the truck. And I just didn't really

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didn't feel like staying there with only having a Ruger

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ten twenty two rifle on me, and that's I used

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to carry a survival knife a bushcraft night from the

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Rugerten twenty two, but that was mostly used for just

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planking and squirrel hunting and rabbit hunting. I just had

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like a big fear of me whatever this thing was

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able to, you know, just completely snap that branch that

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by twenty two was going to do nothing. So I

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decided to leave and I hiked back out. And that's

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basically the the first half of my encounter with Andre.

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Just really interesting. This is a very unique account. You

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would say I haven't gotten many like these. I'm just

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going to refer to as Andre. Was Andre wearing any

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clothes then, or was it like pretty much nothing? Okay?

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Nothing?

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You mentioned at one point there was fur this individual.

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Was it covered with fur or hair or what did

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you notice in that?

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It looked like kind of like my old high school

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gym teacher, like he'd take his shirt off and he

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just had his hair his whole body. But the thing,

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it was crazy. I've never seen somebody with that much

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hair over their chests and their arms and their neck

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and all that without you know, it's always like curly hair.

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All this hair was straight. It was a lot of

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hair over the whole body, except for like over the

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pecks of the chest, like where the nipple would be.

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It was kind of bald right there, and then on

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the center like where the belly would be kind of

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kind of balding right there. But all the hair was straight.

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There was no curly hair. It was all real straight,

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really fine hair.

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Gotcha. Is there a color that kind of stood out

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about Andre?

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Well, if anything, I would say it was kind of

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like a reddish brown, but kind of like like if

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you have like a chocolate lab or something. But it

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was like that, but like if it was really aged,

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like very old, like if a lot of that hair

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had already turned like gray and white. You know, like

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if it was younger, it would have been like looking

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like a chocolate lab But it just looked so old,

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like a lot of the hair had turned gray and

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it was really faded.

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You know, how tall would you say it was.

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For the higher the head where that branch was, I'm

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just estimating probably about eight and a half foot up

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to where that branch was where it smacked its head on.

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Definitely, did you notice anything about the arms, the arm lengths,

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anything like that.

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Well, when he put his like forearm up to put

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his hand on the branch to like push the branch

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out of the way that it smacked its head on,

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the arms still had like really huge muscles in the arms.

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It was like, you know, it was, you know, like

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Schwarzenegger back in the day, but just like a lot

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of hair. It looked extremely muscular, but at the same

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time it looked like if it was like overweight. You know, now,

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I'm a big guy, you know, so I was just

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like kind of judging off myself of you know, how

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my body structure looks. You know at that time being

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about three point fifty and prior I did do a

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little bit of wrestling in MMA fighting. I did use

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to train, but I never got extremely yoked. You know.

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I was never a bodybuilder, but I know it's like

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to have some muscle mass with fat over it and

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just kind of looking from what I saw compared to

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that height to the like the build of my body

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and all that. You know, I was honestly nothing had

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weigh you know, seven hundred pounds or something, or eight

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hundred pounds at least, you know, but I did. I

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did see a lot of good amount of muscle, you know.

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Okay, Yeah, were there any points where it was walking

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and you saw the arms they were kind of like

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down by its side at all.

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Almost the whole way that it was walking, the arms were,

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you know, hanging down towards the waist. It never put

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its arms up until it hit the tree branch. The

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whole time I was walking, I was just kind of

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like walking with his arms down on his side, but

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they were kind of slightly swaying maybe back and forth

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about a foot foot and a half or so. But

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it wasn't like swinging its arms as it was walking.

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It was just kind of just swaying them side to

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side as it was facing me.

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And if you had to imagine, like, let's imagine the

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hands are, you know, the arms are by the side

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it's walking. How far down would the tips of the

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finger on the hands go. Are they going above the

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knee or are they going way down the leg past that?

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Probably like choosing knee.

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Okay, interesting, hands were massive. Were the hands covered with

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with fur or hair or could you see like the

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actual fingers?

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And I could I could see, I could see fingers

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of the hands, you know, and then I couldn't really

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see fingernails though. But I do remember when it put

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its forearm in front of it to grab that tree,

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it looked like his fingers almost touched each other on

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the other side of the tree branch when it was

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going to break it, because the side I was looking at,

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I was on the side that the I was between

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him and the tree branch, you know. So he put

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put his arm up, his fingers went around the branch,

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and on the other side it looked like his fingers

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almost touched. And when I went up there, that tree

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branch was you know, four or five inches stick. You know,

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maybe six inches. I thought I was six with probably

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four or five inches stick. And as I'm sitting there,

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I'm holding the handle of the little walking stick that

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I got, and it's kind of like a bicycle grip size,

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you know, And I'm holding onto that in my hand,

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and I'm looking at it like me and my fingers

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wrapped around my thumb, touch my you know, index finger

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and my thumbs barely touching there, hold on that bike

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grip thing. And I'm looking at that thing, and I

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was thinking, how big is a hand have to be

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to go around that big old piece of tree and

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touch the fingers? You know? Oh?

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Absolutely? Did you notice I don't know if you got

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the chance to count, but how many fingers it had

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on each hand?

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I looked it just looked like a normal human hand,

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kind of like it did look like it had a

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thumb and five, you know, four fingers. You know. I

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didn't see any look like extra or less that I

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could tellence look like kind of like a human.

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Hand, got it. You mentioned there was a time when

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you were actually having prolonged eye contact as you both

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were walking. Did you so I would imagine that you're

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able to you were able to look into the eyes.

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Do you remember were there any whites to the eyes

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at all or was it maybe all dark?

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No, it was like really yellow. Kind of remind me

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of we had a neighbor for a while that was

466
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.400
a really bad alcoholic and you had all kinds of

467
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.799
kidney failure and he was constantly like going in for

468
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.960
a dialysis and you know, filter in his blood off

469
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.680
machines and all that. But I don't know what they

470
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.119
it was, what it was called, but he had something

471
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.799
that when your kidneys go bad, stops filtering. But uh,

472
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.400
your eyes go all yellow and kind of red like

473
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.880
bloodshot looking right or was it not jaundice or I

474
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.640
can't remember what it was called. Uh, but it looked

475
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.200
like my neighbor that was like the bad alcoholic, just

476
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.119
really yellow eyes, and the pupils were just like solid

477
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:12.119
like dark brown or black, just really yellow and just

478
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:16.400
looking like sick, like you know. I didn't see no

479
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:17.440
bright white at all.

480
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:24.839
Okay, were but it definitely had a pupil, yes, Okay.

481
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.279
Did the head have a shape to it at all?

482
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.559
It looked just like Andre the Giant from wrestling from

483
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:34.960
back in the eighties as far as like the way

484
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:38.039
his forehead came down and like his eyebrow line how

485
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.200
it kind of came out, and like the kind of

486
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.119
wier nose on his face and everything like really similar

487
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:45.920
to like Andrea the Giant.

488
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.400
So definitely from what I'm hearing, I'm hearing not like

489
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:54.279
a conical shape head, just like a big old head.

490
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:56.279
Yes.

491
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.319
Interesting, what kind of neck did this I have?

492
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.200
It was really short. It was like almost like the

493
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.519
head was just like right on the collarbone, like there

494
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.720
wasn't I didn't really see too much of a neck

495
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:12.880
at all.

496
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:20.480
Did you notice any details about the forehead or the

497
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:25.880
the area above the eyes when you were looking at it, Just.

498
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.319
How the forehead kind of came down and then where

499
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.799
the eyebrows were be it looked like, you know, like

500
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.039
the bones like around the eye socket were like kind

501
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.319
of like overemphasized, like you know, they were really large,

502
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.480
like behind where your eyebrows would be like if almost

503
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.960
there was like a finger like under the skin. You know,

504
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:50.319
they were like, you know, not like a roll of pennies,

505
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:53.319
but it was like, you know, just something way larger

506
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.640
under the eyebrows that made that part of the lower

507
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.480
part of the forehead stick out so far.

508
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.440
It sounds like definitely a pronounced brow ridge, kind of

509
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.359
like when you see those old movies with Neanderthals and

510
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:11.680
you just got that really large bone structure right above

511
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.519
the eyes where just kind of a roll of pennies

512
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.440
is a good way to say it. Did you notice

513
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.599
anything out of the ordinary about the nose?

514
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.240
Just that it was wide, That was about it. And

515
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.400
there was no hair on the nose at all. I

516
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.039
didn't see any hair on there or no hair coming

517
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.920
out from the nose either, And there was like no

518
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:39.279
like mustache. Really. All the hair was from like the

519
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.480
lower lip downward and kind of high up on the cheeks,

520
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.119
but there was nothing on the nose or the upper

521
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.000
lip as far as hair was.

522
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.240
The nose smushed like it'd been smushed against the face.

523
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.240
I remember it being really broad and wide, and it

524
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.720
wasn't really sticking out far for as white as it was.

525
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.319
You think it'd be like, you know, kind of proportionate

526
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.720
like with the length, but it wasn't really sticking out

527
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.480
that far compared to how white it was.

528
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:15.160
Had nostrils like hooded, Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Anything out of

529
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.319
the ordinary with the mouth, was it was it wide?

530
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.559
Anything you noticed it wasn't too overweight.

531
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.599
But I kept remembering trying to look to see if

532
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.240
I could see teeth, and then especially when it yelled,

533
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:33.079
it opened its mouth, but I didn't see teeth. I

534
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:34.960
was trying to see if it had like animal teeth

535
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.359
or like human teeth, but I just never saw teeth.

536
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.759
I remember I kept looking trying to see if I

537
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:41.759
could see teeth, but I just never saw teeth.

538
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.519
Okay, interesting, So there was never a like bearing teeth

539
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.119
at you or anything like that.

540
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.240
No, No, the only the whole time it was just

541
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.759
like I don't know if I like being watched, like

542
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.519
if he was watching me, like you know I had

543
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.359
like a security guard following me, or if he was

544
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:04.599
just watching me to make sure I wasn't like a threat,

545
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.000
you know, just like he was doing security you know,

546
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.480
like he's the one like, hey, you need I see you,

547
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.240
like you better stay back, you know. But I never

548
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.960
during that whole incident, I never felt any threat. And

549
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.359
even when he yelled when he hit his head, I

550
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:23.799
didn't get scared, like he was.

551
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.759
Yelling at me big for society will be right back.

552
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:44.039
After these messages, I.

553
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.559
Could tell that obviously he was just he yelled at

554
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.880
the tree like he was at the tree like stud

555
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.720
your dough. You know. It's just like an outburst, you know,

556
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.200
from pain exactly, you know. But it wasn't directed. It

557
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:59.319
wasn't he wasn't looking downward towards me when he yelled

558
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.160
or anything. It was directed towards me at all. So

559
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.039
I never got that fear of, oh, you know, he's

560
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.119
coming for me, you know anything like that.

561
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:12.799
Sure, different creatures have different ways of walking, right, every

562
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:16.920
everything has its gait, its way of walking. Did you

563
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.640
notice anything about the way that the Andre creature was

564
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.400
walking that You're like, man, that is really unique. There's

565
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.319
something different about the way that it's moving.

566
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.759
I just noticed that when it it started to walk.

567
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.000
After like I was just looking around and I first

568
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.559
spotted it when it first started to pace me. When

569
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.039
I when I was like what and I started to

570
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.960
walk and I was staring at it. Then when it

571
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.480
first started to walk, it was limping, like if it

572
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.039
was favoring one leg over the other, like a lot,

573
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:54.599
like if one leg had an injury or something. You know,

574
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.119
like if you like you got a cast on one foot,

575
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.400
you know, with the one was walking boots or whatever,

576
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.960
and you're just like walk in anyways. But you know

577
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:05.559
one's not working, right.

578
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.319
I gotcha, I gotcha. Uh did it have good posture

579
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.440
at all? Or was it you know, no.

580
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.680
It was kind of kind of slunched over a bit,

581
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.680
you know, wasn't It wasn't really like humped back, you know,

582
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.839
like not tre dome, you know, but it looked like

583
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.160
it was the whole time. It was slunched a bit forward.

584
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:35.640
Okay, that's that's really interesting. So Artura, this is this

585
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.759
is such an interesting one, and I almost have to ask, like,

586
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.759
do you think you were looking at a bigfoot or

587
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.799
a sasquatch or do you think you were looking at

588
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.480
something else?

589
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.559
Uh? The whole thing of bigfoot and sasquatch never really

590
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.680
came to my mind until I started doing research. But

591
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.400
what I thought, really, I thought I saw a caveman

592
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.359
or like a giant, right because thinking to Andre the giant.

593
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.519
So I started doing a lot of research on giants,

594
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.720
you know, and I got found out about giganticism and

595
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.960
things like that, and I thought it was maybe that

596
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.200
for a little bit, But then a lot of the

597
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:18.039
research I was looking at that most people with giganticism

598
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.880
don't live that long because they're you know, pituitary glands

599
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.920
whatever their body is like overgrowing so quick that they

600
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.000
most people die like in their twenties or thirties, you know,

601
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.720
and this thing was really old man's status, you know,

602
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.519
like there was you know, a normal human had there

603
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.880
been eighties or nineties, you know, maybe pushing a hundred.

604
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.319
So I'm like, there's no way this could be a

605
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.960
person with gigantism because they die so young, you know,

606
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.680
because they're the way their body overgrows and they just

607
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.559
can't handle it and their heart gives out. So I

608
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.079
was looking at that, and then I started getting these

609
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.640
stories about the giants that were found on Catalina Island

610
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.279
and some of New Mexico in a cave that the

611
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.359
natives had battling for a while. And that kind of

612
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.839
caught my interest because they said that those the you know,

613
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.360
tribe of giant people that the locals had been fighting,

614
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.519
had red hair, big red beards and long red hair,

615
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.679
and what I saw had kind of that reddish chocolate hair.

616
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.079
So that so I started, you know, I started going

617
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.199
down that path, you know, trying to find out about

618
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.199
you know, these giants that had been supposedly you know

619
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.679
fighting the natives, and they cornered him in his cave,

620
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.800
and instead of losing anybody else, they built a big

621
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.880
giant fire in front of the cave to smoke him

622
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.199
out and you know, just kill them by you know,

623
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.519
carbon monoxide poisoning or whatever. And so that kind of

624
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.400
led me down that path for a while. And then

625
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.639
and then from that it started turning towards cryptids, you know,

626
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.239
doing research kind of. And then Bigfoot came up quite

627
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.000
a bit of times, but I never really just put

628
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.000
my figure on it, say oh I saw the Bigfoot,

629
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.079
because in my mind, it's just, you know, was always

630
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:01.599
a caveman.

631
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.199
You know, it's extremely interesting. Did you ever look to

632
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.599
see if there had been other sightings in that same

633
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.719
area of things that are the ordinary like what you saw?

634
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.159
Well, well, let me get to the second part of

635
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.360
the Southern California thing. Oh.

636
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.800
Absolutely, after that.

637
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.239
After that incident, I'm gonna say probably I was almost

638
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.400
like exactly about fourteen years ago to the day, almost

639
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.320
my birthdays. We'll just say my birthday is this week,

640
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.760
and it was the same week of my birthday in

641
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:43.119
twenty ten, and I had made it out to my

642
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:47.719
bushcraft shelters hang out overnight. And I was actually like

643
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.360
in the middle of a breakup with the girlfriend and

644
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.159
all that. I was like, you know, I'm just going

645
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.239
to disappear for a while. I'm gonna go out in

646
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.280
the woods, you know, unwine relaxed. So I got me

647
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.199
a bottle of Jack Daniels and got me some mrs.

648
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.519
For a couple of days, there's a freeze drive food.

649
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.119
I'm like, you know, I'm gonna go hang out the creek.

650
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.679
And I was out there in southern California has a

651
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.960
lot of wildfires, you know, it's the same with Oregon

652
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.079
where I'm at currently. But there was night that I

653
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.119
was sitting there sleeping. I had just finished you know,

654
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.679
hanging out, chilling and drinking, and I had a little

655
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.159
portable bluetooth speaker with the MP three player that you know,

656
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.199
you download the music whatever, and I listened to that

657
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.519
and my battery died on the MP three player. So

658
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.159
I was like, well, I guess that's a wrap. You know,

659
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.039
it's it's time to go to bed. So I had

660
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.039
laid down in the little raised bed I'd built in

661
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.679
my shelter, and I had a small fire going in

662
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.559
my shelter, but like in the cave entrance part to

663
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.559
where you know, like I was saying, the smoke would

664
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.079
pull away and all that, I just get a little

665
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.360
little radiant heat, little light. But it was like a

666
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.119
really hot night, so I wasn't really had a big

667
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.480
fire going, so I could smell the smoke from my fire,

668
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.719
but not really too bad. And I'd been laying down

669
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.159
for about a half hours, almost asleep, and then I

670
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.239
heard like a thump the side of my shelter. I

671
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.039
was like, what was that? Is like if a bird

672
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.639
flew into the side or something. And I was thinking, oh, well,

673
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:15.880
there's a lot of owls around there, and there's a

674
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.440
lot of bats from the caves around there, and I

675
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.400
was like, way, be a howl or bird or something

676
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:25.320
flew into the shelter. About a minute goes by, I

677
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.960
heard another one, another one. Then it starts getting louder,

678
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.960
and it's like a more faster, just like a rapid

679
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.880
pace of things hitting the side of my shelter. I

680
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:35.360
guess to the point where I could hear the things

681
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.760
hitting my shelter and then kind of rolling the way

682
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.360
down the slope. So I was like, so we're throwing

683
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.159
rocks at my you know, at my spot. I was like,

684
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.880
what the And by then I had already stopped carrying

685
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.239
my Ruger ten twenty two and started carrying my glock

686
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:54.760
to forty five APC with some heavy hard cast bullets,

687
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.599
some buffalo boards, you know, plus beefs, you know, some

688
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.679
bear stopping rounds, because they had only been a lot

689
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.280
of spottings of mountain lions in the area and a

690
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.719
couple mountain biers that had been attacked on the Orange

691
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.199
County side of the mountain. So I had my pistol.

692
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.880
I was like, you know, I'm gonna go outside, maybe

693
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.159
just pop around off on the dirt, chase the people off,

694
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.320
and then go to sleep. And then there became an

695
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.159
urgency to it. Right as I'm like trying to debate

696
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:23.719
whether or not to go out of the shelter and

697
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:26.559
you know, maybe yell, scream a little bit or whatever,

698
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.119
I'm like, all right, well, something's got to be done.

699
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.599
So right as I'm like putting my headlamp on and

700
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:37.400
turning the light on on my firearm, I go to

701
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.239
stand up in the shelter and there's a pause for

702
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.360
a minute and then it rock hits my shelter. That

703
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.280
was so big it broke the wall down on the

704
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.679
entry like could be the I don't know, the southwest

705
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.840
corner of my structure, but the very outside corner there's

706
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.840
a couple pieces of timber that came out further right.

707
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.760
Things off on the outside, you know, hanging Europe or

708
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:06.039
swimming in the creek, you know, hang up the shorts

709
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:07.960
up pair to dry off or whatever. But a rock

710
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.039
had got thrown out the shelter that was so big,

711
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.960
so hard that it ripped that whole wall and my

712
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.960
shelter open. So all of a sudden, I'm standing there

713
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.920
and the whole left wall my shelter just gets ripped open,

714
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.880
leans over and as the boards are like still attached

715
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.519
together because I had used a pair of cord five

716
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.760
fifty cord to lasso the walls together, but it hit

717
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.559
hard enough or it ripped out all the pair of

718
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.599
cord up and down the steam. The wall stayed intact,

719
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.079
and it just ripped the wall open, like two feet

720
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.719
three feet open. That's when I was like, what could

721
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.840
possibly do that? Like you had to hit it with

722
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.159
the truck or something. So I go swing the do

723
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.039
open to go out of the shelter, and I looked

724
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.599
to that side because that's where the wall came off.

725
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.760
It was pitch black, nothing, and then I realized that

726
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.360
there's a lot of smoke everywhere. I look back to

727
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.239
the right that's going down the valley wards where the

728
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.840
road is where I hike in, and I noticed that

729
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.400
the whole hillside is on fire, all the way up

730
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.519
the valley, all the way up the creek, where my

731
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.760
whole path where I go to get in there is

732
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.840
completely on fire. Then fire's coming up the hill. You know,

733
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.199
it comes uphill a lot quicker than down here, but

734
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.519
the fire's coming uphill towards me. So I freak out,

735
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.800
get in my shelter. I throw on my this Alice

736
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.360
pack I'd gotten from a buddy. Then Military is my

737
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.880
favorite pack. But anyways, I throw my Alice pack on

738
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.639
go out of the shelter. I'm looking around, looking around,

739
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.880
trying to figure out what's going on. That's when I

740
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.599
see this massive rock on the floor that's like over

741
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:45.039
a foot maybe foot and a half a diameter, laying

742
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:48.239
right outside on the side of the wall the shelter.

743
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.000
And I was like, that rock is what broke the wall.

744
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.920
And then I started thinking what could have thrown that rock.

745
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.280
You know how that rock could have fallen off the hill,

746
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:58.639
would have came down and hit the roof of my shelter.

747
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.519
You know, it's all thrown from an angle from like

748
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.400
from the creek. I'm looking at this big rock. I

749
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.639
freak out. I see the fire getting closer. I'm just

750
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.360
like screw this. Started going up the valley, up the

751
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:16.039
hill towards where the dried out waterfalls were, and they

752
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.079
had a rope that was tied to the side, and

753
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.079
sometimes in the waters high the kids will go up

754
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.039
there and swing off the rope and jump into the creek.

755
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.320
But I knew if I got to where that rope was,

756
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:29.039
I could pull myself up the dry waterfall and I'd

757
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.960
beat to an area that was only grass and dirt,

758
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.440
and there was no trees or shrubs, you know, nothing

759
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.159
made her to catch fire. So I made my way

760
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.320
over there, and I got over there, and I was

761
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.920
having a lot of difficulty firing that rope. I was

762
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.639
looking in a panic stake. You know, I'm already out

763
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.000
of breath. You know. I just hooked it like a

764
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.360
good you know, quarter mile, half a mile as quick

765
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.800
as I could to get to that waterfall as the

766
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.840
fire fall of me. Then I started noticing the hillsides

767
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.760
around me. I could see some light from the fire trucks,

768
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.039
and I didn't see a water dropping helicopter, but usually

769
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.280
they wouldn't drop water at night. Usually the only fly

770
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.440
in the daytime. So I'm like looking around, looking around.

771
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.760
I finally find the rope, get up that little waterfall.

772
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.440
I get to a dry flat spot and then I

773
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.239
just sit down in the dirt and I'm watching the

774
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.000
fire go up through the up through the little valley

775
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.199
and then exactly where that band was when my shelter was.

776
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.239
That whole thing just burst into flames ript roaring, and

777
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.920
I'm sitting up there on the dirt looking watching my

778
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:32.000
whole shelters burn to the ground. And then I was

779
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:33.920
kind of just like shocked at all, man. I just

780
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.679
all that work I've been putting into for you know,

781
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.360
six seven months building that shelter, It's just burnt to nothing.

782
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.559
And then I started thinking about, well, what through that rock.

783
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.800
And then right as I'm thinking that, my dog does

784
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.400
this thing where he just kind of starts flipping out,

785
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.239
like you hears something. My dog goes taking off running again.

786
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:54.840
I was like dude, get back here, get back here,

787
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.760
and he goes taking off, running kind of towards the fire.

788
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.440
And then I was thinking that was Andre. That had

789
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.519
to have been Andre. That was, you know, throwing those

790
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:05.960
little rocks at my shelter, trying to like warn me,

791
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.440
and I was just ignoring it. So that's when it

792
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:12.000
just threw that massive rock and just busted the whole

793
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.519
wall down to tell me, like, hey, get out of there,

794
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.039
you know, you gotta go. And then that's when I

795
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.079
was like, that thing just saved me. A thing just

796
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.960
saved my life, you know. Then I came over this

797
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:26.280
like overwhelming like emotional feelings where like I almost busted

798
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.519
down in tears, almost crying. I'm just sitting there and

799
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.920
I just sat there on that ridge all night till

800
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.119
the sun came up, watching the watching everything burned down.

801
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.519
And that morning, once the sun was up real good,

802
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.079
I was able to find a nice path to hike out,

803
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:45.679
and hiked out and left and I've never been there since,

804
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.119
and it's been almost about fourteen years since the day.

805
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:55.119
That is incredible. I mean, it honestly sounds like Andre

806
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:56.199
wanted you saved.

807
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.159
Yeah. I can't if anything else that would have. You know,

808
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.679
I was capable of doing that, you know, or would

809
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.199
have done that, you know, just the physical ability of

810
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.719
lifting the rock that large and throwing it so hard

811
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.360
that it busted a whole wall off my shelter. You know,

812
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.480
I built that thing well, you know.

813
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.239
Absolutely. Is there a reason that you haven't been back

814
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.719
in fourteen years or it just just hasn't happened.

815
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:30.280
Well, after everything burned down, I was so confused about

816
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.920
what Andre was and all that, you know, And I,

817
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.280
like I said, never felt threatened by him. But I

818
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.079
was like, well, if there's one, there might be more,

819
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.920
And what if the other ones aren't looking out for me?

820
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.159
You know, this was able to do so much stuff

821
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.559
to help save me, protect my life. You know, how

822
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.000
quick could one of those take my life? You know,

823
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.320
all of a sudden, my forty five didn't seem like

824
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.639
it was going to do anything, you know, so I

825
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.400
just got real cautious and I was like, you know,

826
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.000
I got to figure out what's out there, you know,

827
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.760
And I started getting close to there, like, and I

828
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.079
had a neighbor that worked in those orchards over there

829
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.400
at the bottom of the hill, and we were talking

830
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.400
about the fire. One day and he was an older bicycay,

831
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.159
older Mexican guy. I'm half Mexican, and we were talking

832
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.280
in Spanish and then he was telling me. He was like,

833
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.440
oh and I saw him like, oh, I had a little,

834
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.719
you know, a little cabin there and all that. And

835
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.840
then he said, oh, we'll be careful when you're out there.

836
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:34.840
And I said, well why and then he's like, oh, well,

837
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.079
he said, you know, and that's when he said, he said, hey,

838
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.119
you know, the the mountain people were there and all that, Like,

839
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:44.039
were you talking about? You know, I didn't acknowledge anything

840
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.719
of you know, what I saw Andre, And then he

841
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.159
just said, oh, there's there's just some big scary people there,

842
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.119
so we just we avoid that area. He's like, yeah,

843
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.559
just be careful when you're out there. You know. That's

844
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.559
the only reference that I heard from anybody of you know,

845
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.239
anything being in that area.

846
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.800
Wow, it sounds like sounds like you knew something was

847
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:11.760
going on for sure. That is really interesting. I think

848
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.280
this interview might open up so I'm not sure what

849
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.400
to think about our turo. This is a really really

850
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.280
interesting one to be interesting to see what the comments

851
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:25.199
are like on this one.

852
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:25.800
For sure.

853
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:33.039
Man, I've never heard it described like that before. Just

854
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.320
the way it looks. It's really weird. Thank you for sharing.

855
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:39.800
No problem.

856
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:47.039
The one that we were talking about before a few

857
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:57.039
hours ago. That Yeah, that one is incredibly I want

858
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.199
to hear the whole story of this one coming up.

859
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:06.679
Yeah, all right, Well fast forward to this Actually happened

860
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.159
like at the beginning of the whole Rona deal and

861
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.159
all that, you know, during lockdowns and all that. But

862
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.840
prior to that, I had been working for a sanitation

863
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:21.719
company doing porta potties and pumping out RVs and holding

864
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.239
tanks and things like that for one of the larger

865
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.880
companies in southern Oregon. But I had a pretty thorough

866
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.119
background and off roading and things like that. And the

867
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.320
boss found out that, you know, I had a lot

868
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.519
of you know, skills with the equipment in you know,

869
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.280
deep woods, sand trained, desert, snow mud, you know, the

870
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.960
red clay, all kinds of stuff. And I was one

871
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.320
of the newer guys and they had sent me on

872
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.679
a call to where a lot of people had gotten

873
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:55.880
stuck in the trucks because those trucks are pretty heavy,

874
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.199
you know, most of them. We have about a thousand

875
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.039
gallon holding tank and maybe four hundred gallon freshwater tank

876
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.679
for cleaning the units out and refilling the water and

877
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.679
all that. But they're pretty heavy. Most of them are

878
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.480
only tool driving fibers get stuck everywhere. And the boss

879
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.800
was just tired and paying toe bills to recover all

880
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.519
these trucks. And then he said, hey, one of the

881
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.880
guys said that, you know, you know your you know

882
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.079
your way around off road and all that, and I

883
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.199
said yeah, and he said, hey, we got a bunch

884
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.400
of units toilets. This guy had that paid his bill

885
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.159
in months, and we sent a couple of people out

886
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.559
there to pick them up. But everybody gets stuck trying

887
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.719
to get out there. You know, you think you could

888
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.679
do it. So I went out there and lower tire pressure,

889
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.119
used low gears and everything, and with the two wheel

890
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.760
drive three fifty, I got out there, got the units,

891
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.480
bought them back, and then from that day on, after

892
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.119
that first week of working, they're like all the rural

893
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.239
mountain routes and all the four off locations, those became

894
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:55.880
my routes. There was this valley in southern Oregon where

895
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.719
quite a bit of grow sites and there's a lot

896
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.400
of gold mines. You know a lot of claims out there,

897
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:07.239
but it was all off four service roads and little

898
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.039
plots of private property, but most of it was in

899
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.440
the you know US Forestry Service and things like that,

900
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.639
or off the edges of you know, state parks and stuff.

901
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:19.039
So I ended up getting this route going out to

902
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.480
these locations where basically you go to these locations, the

903
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.679
directions would be, you know, three quarters a mile down

904
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.880
this road and you see fork in the road, you know,

905
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.840
look for the tree maker right, you know, go down

906
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.320
to the you know, abandoned double wide, make a left.

907
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.199
You know, they're all no addresses or anything like that.

908
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.760
And I got real good at navigating out there, and

909
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.599
over a point of about four and a half five

910
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.960
year period of going out to these real rural sites

911
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:53.599
where whether they're gold mining or growing, security is like

912
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:57.480
of the utmost thing. Like everybody there's real, you know,

913
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:04.039
real unfriendly to newcomers and outsiders and all that. And

914
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.840
you know, people will start driving up the hill and

915
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:08.679
a lot of the people they'd get on their CB

916
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.760
radios start talking like, hey, there's you know, a white

917
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.639
truck coming up the hill. You know, anybody expected visitors

918
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.599
or we see a new vehicle or you know there's

919
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.639
a sheriff on the highway or whatever it was. Everybody

920
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:21.280
kind of watched out for each other because they all

921
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.280
had their things going on, you know, legal or unlegal,

922
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:28.000
but everybody was real hushed about it. But uh, no

923
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.639
matter how tight security is, you know, everybody loves the guy.

924
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.400
You know. That's one thing you need. You know, all

925
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.239
those growth sites, gold mines, they all have porta potties

926
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.639
or RVs that need to be pumped out, you know,

927
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.880
so like you go up the mountain to service them.

928
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:44.880
You know, some would be on a weekly basis and

929
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.719
would be once a month, you know, depending on what

930
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:52.320
was going on. But you know, being being the porta

931
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.159
partty guy, you get access to a lot of spots

932
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.960
where nobody's allowed it. You know. I became pretty close

933
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:59.840
friends with a lot of these old timers up there,

934
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:06.360
and one of them, uh we'll just say, uh, there

935
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:10.079
are a lot of old like Vietnam vets and things

936
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:12.719
like that, majority of them and a couple of Moon

937
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:17.239
sinners up there. But uh, there's one gentleman in particular

938
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.880
that when I used to go start services site, he

939
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.119
had a old camper trailer that hadn't been from like

940
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.000
the seventies or eighties falling apart, just you know, the

941
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.840
whole roof was like three tarps, you know, glued on

942
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:35.960
duck dape. He had this old Dodge pick up and uh,

943
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.159
just really run down camp. But I'd go out there

944
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:41.079
and he had a porta party that I would service,

945
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.480
and then he also had his harve that i'd pump out,

946
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.719
and when the winter had come, we'd get good enough

947
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:52.320
snow and all that that that even the customers up

948
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.119
there would have trouble getting out, so they kind of

949
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.960
stock upon supplies for you know, a month and a half,

950
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.480
two month periods sometimes where they couldn't get out either.

951
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.840
And but basically the way to get service did either

952
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.760
be on a set schedule or they'd call for service,

953
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:10.159
and sometimes they wouldn't be able to you know, call

954
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.000
for service. Whatever would be in the area, and if

955
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.280
it was kind of customer we were used to going to,

956
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.360
the boss would be like, oh, we'll swing by a

957
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.239
X location see if they need service, you know, while

958
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:23.239
I'm up there, you know. And at one point winter

959
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:26.440
had started passing, and I came back up at the

960
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:30.440
beginning of the next spring, and I noticed that that

961
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.480
the whole guy. We'll just stay Whiskey Pete whatever, because

962
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.320
he did his own shine, moonshine and all that stuff too.

963
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.039
But Whiskey Pete. I go up to Whiskey Pete and

964
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.239
he doesn't have this beat up old Dodge ram anymore

965
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.639
in his nineteen seventies trailer. All of a sudden, he's

966
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.519
got a brand new four F five fifty super duty

967
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:53.079
four by four. His old beat up John Deere tractor

968
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.920
he has. Now he's got brand new skid steer, like

969
00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:01.320
a forty foot big text trailer with a brand new

970
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:05.159
Kbota tractor sitting on there, and really nice fifth wheel trailer,

971
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.280
all brand like, all equipment, everything on the whole site

972
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.239
was all brand new everything. And I'm like, hey, what's

973
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.519
going on? Bro? I was like, I thought I was

974
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.559
at the wrong spot, and I started talking to him

975
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.039
and then he just told me, He's like, yeah, things

976
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.159
have been crazy around here, you know, that's why, so

977
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:20.559
why I came to meet you at the bottom. I

978
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.760
was just sure who was coming up and their whole

979
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.880
normal paranoid thing, and that's when I was kind of confusing.

980
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.880
He came down with that brand new F five fifty.

981
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.800
So I ended up going up there go to pump

982
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:33.159
out his new trailer and all I'm looking around, like, dude,

983
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:34.760
how did you get all this stuff? And then he

984
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.800
told me he's just like, hey man, and a lot

985
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.119
of the guys want to talk to each other a

986
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.679
lot of things, but like everybody saw me as an outsiders,

987
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.199
like you know, the safe guy, you know, the porta

988
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.800
potty guy, so they confided me a lot of things.

989
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:47.159
And he just tells me, he's like, hey man, I

990
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.440
hit a vein. I said, what does that mean. He's like, dude,

991
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.199
I found some gold. I was like, you say that

992
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:54.960
every week when I'm up here, you know. And he's like, no,

993
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.760
I found gold. I s how I bought all this stuff.

994
00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.760
And he's telling me that, yeah, I've already sent a

995
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.360
lot of money to my family. And he's like, but yeah,

996
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.039
I hit a vein. And I'm like, all right, well,

997
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.880
cool man, congrats and all that stuff. And I was like,

998
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:09.559
that was just a lot of equipment, you know, just

999
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:11.159
that f I fifty. I was like, I don't know,

1000
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.039
one hundred thousand dollars truck, you know. And he was

1001
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.800
telling me, he's like, everything's paid in full. That's when

1002
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.519
I was like, man, man, he really did get lucky.

1003
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:22.280
And then when I really started like setting in and

1004
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.719
I'm like all right, well, you know it's gonna be

1005
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:26.840
a while before I see him again, I'm like, all right, well,

1006
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.480
you know, I dropped off a holding tank fir him.

1007
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.840
It's a large, like one hundred and fifty gallon tank

1008
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:33.960
you just put on the floor and run your RV

1009
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.639
to it for a little extra you know, storage to

1010
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.360
last through the snow. And then I was getting ready

1011
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:42.719
to leave and then the guy gave me a three

1012
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.360
hundred dollars tip, right, and I'm like sweet man, and

1013
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:46.920
he's like, yeah, you know, get something for the kids

1014
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.239
for Christmas. I'm like cool, man. I had a lot

1015
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.400
of customers who would dipped me twenty bucks here and there,

1016
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.960
or you know, hey, we're barbecuing, you know, you want

1017
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:55.719
some ribs or something like that. But I'd never really

1018
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.159
gotten any large tips before, so I was like, all right, cool.

1019
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.079
I pocketed it and anything, and I took off, went

1020
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.199
on route, started talking to other people. And as soon

1021
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.159
as I started going to the other pro sites and

1022
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:12.000
too the other you know, mining claims, everybody started drilling

1023
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.360
me questions right away, like hey, what did you see

1024
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.760
up there? What's going on? But I'm like, no, I

1025
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.920
went up there service for them. They're like, hey, did

1026
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.119
you see where you know? Where's the new tractor? Where's

1027
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.760
the people were asking all these questions like what's going on, dude,

1028
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:25.880
like for reals, and they said, oh, well, we know

1029
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.559
he found gold, but he's he's basically closed off the camp.

1030
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:31.239
Nobody's come up here with the camp for a while.

1031
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.960
He doesn't let anybody in anymore, like or like you're

1032
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:35.880
the first person who's been up there in the months.

1033
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.639
He doesn't let anybody in there anymore, and he barely

1034
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.840
gets on the radio to communicate anymore. And I'm like,

1035
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.559
oh no, I'm like I don't know. He's doing his

1036
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.559
thing or Whateverybody didn't really want to talk about it,

1037
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.800
and uh, I just finished the route whatever. Winter I

1038
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.639
end up wrapping up. I am not going up there

1039
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.960
for like about two months or so. I went back

1040
00:55:56.039 --> 00:56:01.800
up there, and the gentleman, the same whisky Pete, came

1041
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.480
at me with the offer and he said, hey, man,

1042
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.519
I've been people who have been trying to rob me.

1043
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.360
You know. He's like, I can't even go down the

1044
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.320
mountain now without people stopping me, trying to rob me.

1045
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:15.440
And then I noticed that he had a AK forty

1046
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.519
seven pistol at draco just slung over her side and

1047
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.119
he just had it on him. And before that I'd

1048
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.800
see him carry a revolver once in a while, you know.

1049
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.639
But he was like really getting scared, you know. He

1050
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.840
was like really high up in intensity. And he told me, yeah,

1051
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:31.480
he's like I've been doing real good. And he said, hey,

1052
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:33.280
I need you to talk to your boss about something.

1053
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:35.559
He's like, you're the only person who can get up

1054
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.800
and down this mountain without question. And he's like, hey man,

1055
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.280
And he showed me this big concrete slab with it

1056
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.960
just looked kind of like a sludge and whatever shit

1057
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.280
on there, with some water on it. And he told me,

1058
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.199
he's like, hey, do you think your truck could pump

1059
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.079
this stuff up? I said, yeah, it's just you know,

1060
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:55.880
this is no big rock, so you know clogged the

1061
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.320
clogged the pump up or the valve. Yeah, you know,

1062
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:00.519
it sucked that into the tank. I was like, is

1063
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.800
that suwage or what? He said, No, it's uh, you know,

1064
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:05.880
he's like, it's tailings whatever, it's crushed. He said, there's

1065
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.679
golden here. So there's golden there. And he's like, yeah,

1066
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:10.400
it's not hasn't been cleaned out yet, but there's a

1067
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.920
lot of golden here. And the guy was trying to

1068
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.000
convince me to ask my boss if I could take

1069
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:20.280
a load up there, just pump out this big slab

1070
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.119
with the sludge and water on it, and then take

1071
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.880
it to a you know, undisclosed location. They said, they's

1072
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.760
gonna be probably about one hundred miles away, and then

1073
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.800
just dump out the whole holding tank. He said, yeah,

1074
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:35.079
come up here, empty, you know, close the takeout, clean

1075
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.840
it out, come up here. Just suck this whole ground up.

1076
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:40.239
Take it to the place. And he's I'll tell your boss,

1077
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.159
I'll give him five thousand bucks. I'll give you five

1078
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.679
thousand bucks. You know, it's one hundred mile drive. And

1079
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:48.199
I was like, that's good money, you know, sucking up

1080
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:49.800
this and I was like, this is really I'm staring

1081
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:51.559
at it. I don't see any gold in there, but

1082
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.199
he's telling me there's a lot of gold in there.

1083
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.599
So I'm like, yeah, I'll talk to my boss about it.

1084
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.360
Talk to my boss about He said, no way, we're

1085
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.840
not doing nothing with it, forget about it. I'm like,

1086
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.400
all right, cool, conversation done. I went back to the

1087
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:05.239
next week, told him, hey, I can't do nothing. You know,

1088
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:07.800
maybe call a different septic company and maybe can talk

1089
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.000
somebody else into it, but Boston can let me use equipment.

1090
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.679
He's like, all right, So that passes in. I'm really

1091
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.119
really like, man, this guy's really got a lot of

1092
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.000
gold going on. If he's trying to have it pumped

1093
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:23.159
into a sewage truck to transport it down the mountain

1094
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.280
without anybody knowing that, he's bringing gold out of his sight.

1095
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.039
So then I'm like, this is getting crazy with this guy.

1096
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.760
That's gold, right, He's got a lot of gold. You know.

1097
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:34.639
Me and myself, I went paying once or twice in

1098
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.320
the creek. I never even found a spectacle, not a flight, nothing,

1099
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.480
you know. So I'm like, all right, whatever. A little

1100
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:46.480
while goes on later and I'm maybe two three months passed.

1101
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:48.800
He doesn't call. He's a call for servers, AND's a

1102
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:50.440
call for servers, and there's my boss is like, hey,

1103
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:53.360
you know, why don't you go up there? Take a look.

1104
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:55.760
I go to go up there. The whole entry gate

1105
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.480
is like barricaded, off. He's got a bunch of big

1106
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.800
boulders in the front, and then his track parked behind

1107
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.559
the boulders. Like, there's no way I'm getting up there.

1108
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:05.599
So I'm like, all right, skip it, mark it off

1109
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.119
as a you know, lockate, no service, go leave. Winter

1110
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.280
comes around again, so now it's about a year since

1111
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.719
he's you know, hit a vein as he put it

1112
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.679
or whatever, and the boss says, hey, you need to

1113
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:20.519
go up there. We haven't services guy for a while.

1114
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:24.880
So I get up there. I go to service him,

1115
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.599
and the gates open, those bowlers are moved, and the

1116
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.960
tractor's just like off to the side, almost like in

1117
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.159
the ditch, like half in the ditch. I drive up there,

1118
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:38.599
look around. His whole camp is just tossed up. There's

1119
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.719
just equipment laid over all. His shipping containers are open,

1120
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:46.719
wide open, things thrown on the floor everything. I'm like,

1121
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.599
what's going on. I'm like, well, obviously, you know, I'm

1122
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.280
I'm hitting the horn. He doesn't come out, and I'm like, yeah,

1123
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:55.159
you know, something wrong here. I'm leaving. I turn around,

1124
00:59:55.199 --> 01:00:00.199
I leave, I go to the next spot, and we'll

1125
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.960
just call this guy the preacher, right, So I go

1126
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.840
to the preacher's mining claim. Very religious man, and so

1127
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:11.760
is a whiskey Pete and I go over there, and

1128
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.000
I've never seen this guy take a sit for alcohol

1129
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.119
or smoke or anything the pastors. I go over the pastors.

1130
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:21.639
He's sitting on his front porch. This guy smashed. He

1131
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:25.920
just hammered, just like plastered, drunk, like what's going on?

1132
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:29.320
And you know, and he's just crying. He starts crying.

1133
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.400
He's like bawling crying. And he starts confiding in me

1134
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.400
that he feels so bad and he doesn't know if

1135
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.840
he's gonna get into heaven now because is what he's

1136
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.000
done and all this what's going on. And then he

1137
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.960
starts telling me that they lost communication with Pete for

1138
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.280
a while over the radio with everybody on the mountain,

1139
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.280
and they noticed that he wasn't coming out no more

1140
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.840
at all. So a couple of guys that were good

1141
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.559
friends of his decided to go up there. And they

1142
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.199
went up there and they found him dead in his

1143
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.000
fifth little trailer, laying in the bed dead, just like

1144
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.039
he had already been dead for like a week or

1145
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.360
two when they found him. You know, the whole trailer

1146
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.800
was already smelling like, you know, dead flesh. The body

1147
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.400
was like real bloated and all that, and they go

1148
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.679
outside and they're like, oh, well, we need to call

1149
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:20.199
the cops. You know, we need to you know, notify

1150
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.119
the family or call you know, paramics or somebody to

1151
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:24.920
come up, you know, come get his body and this

1152
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.119
and that. And one of the guys mentioned like, hey,

1153
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:32.039
well should we look around first, And the other guy said,

1154
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:33.840
what do you mean, Like, well, he's got allless gold.

1155
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:35.719
You know, it's got to be somewhere here, so we

1156
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.760
look for the gold first. So they decide, all right,

1157
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:40.800
we'll start, let's look real quick, and then we'll call.

1158
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:43.400
And I guess it became this thing where they're up

1159
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.679
at his at his at his spot, had his claim

1160
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.880
for like four or five weeks, carrying it up inch

1161
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.480
per inch, and that's where all that damage dress ball was,

1162
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:57.960
everything tossed over. They were looking for his gold because

1163
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.159
he had it, came down the mountain for months to

1164
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:02.639
cashing gold, and they know he was bringing a lot

1165
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.119
of golds, so they're like, this gold has got to

1166
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.199
be somewhere. So they're looking around, looking around, and they're thinking,

1167
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.559
but if it's under his bed, you know. So they

1168
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:14.960
told me that they literally rolled over his body on

1169
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.320
the bed. At this point, he'd already been dead for

1170
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.719
six seven weeks, you know, maybe two months at this point.

1171
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.519
They rolled his body over and fold the mattress in

1172
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.000
half so they could lift up under his bed and

1173
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.599
look under his bed for gold. They couldn't find any

1174
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.039
anything in there that was gold at all. So as

1175
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.280
they were putting the unfolding the mattress, putting it back,

1176
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.199
they noticed that he had his little notepad and his

1177
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.119
bible and his back pocket and he had his little

1178
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.239
bible he carried all the time. He'd write different things,

1179
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.440
highlight things in there and stuff and this little notepad

1180
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.840
and they're like, oh, the notepad. So they grabbed the

1181
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:53.039
notepad and the bible out of his pocket. They're looking

1182
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:55.400
through the notepad and they can't really find anything, find anything.

1183
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:57.679
And they go look in his bible and there's like

1184
01:02:57.719 --> 01:02:59.880
a little passage written like a note to his son

1185
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.719
with the GPS coordinates, and he told us for his son.

1186
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:05.079
He's like, hey, I love you, you know, I'm sorry

1187
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:06.960
for things in life this and that, and he's like,

1188
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.159
but you know, go to the spot. This is Will

1189
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:12.320
change your life. So they read that and immediately thinking,

1190
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.320
this is where the guy buried the gold. This is

1191
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.400
the cordinate's right here, this is where the gold is.

1192
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:19.840
You know, there's a note for his son to get

1193
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.880
the gold. This is the gold. Let's go look. So

1194
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.199
they go back. The guy yanks his GPS out of

1195
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.920
his pickup truck. They start walking around the GPS they

1196
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.760
put the coordinates in and they find this spot that

1197
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:36.599
leads them to the GPS coordinates. They go out there

1198
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.039
with shovels and pickaxes, and there was a spot where

1199
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.559
you couldn't really get in with the a tractor or

1200
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:43.599
any equipment. It's kind of like on the side of

1201
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.880
a hill. They have to spot. They start looking around,

1202
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:50.159
looking around, and they got a metal detector too, and

1203
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:54.239
then they find this rock hammer. But he says, basically

1204
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.039
like the hammer one side is like it's a small hammer,

1205
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.440
like a little balping hammer kind of but on one

1206
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.039
side it's like a little pick and the other side

1207
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:02.679
is kind of like a ball being like a flat

1208
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.079
hammer or whatever. But they find this hammer like buried

1209
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.000
just like two inches under the dirt. So like, oh,

1210
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.880
this has got to be a you know X Marx spot,

1211
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.719
they move a hammer, they start digging. At this point,

1212
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:17.599
they'd already talked to a lot of other guys in

1213
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:19.679
the mountains, and now there's like six dudes out there,

1214
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:22.920
all from like fifty years old to like ninety years old.

1215
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.800
Bunch of really old dudes, old timers, digging with shovels

1216
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.559
and pick axes. They get down about three or four

1217
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:33.880
feet and they find a large bone and they're like,

1218
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.400
you know, did you know they knew he's had bottle

1219
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:38.039
with people trying to rob him. And they're like, well,

1220
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:40.239
you know, did he kill somebody who was trying to

1221
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.880
rob her, you know, and bury the body? And they're like, well,

1222
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.000
maybe it's not a human bone, you know, Let's keep looking.

1223
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.679
So they keep digging, and they start to find more

1224
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.719
bones and like, hey man, these bones are like really big,

1225
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:54.599
and they're like, well, like, well, maybe he buried the

1226
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:57.440
gold under the body, you know, thinking if somebody dug

1227
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.199
down and found a body, they're gonna stop digging and

1228
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.280
the goal is going to be under the body, you know.

1229
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:05.239
So they amongst each other they discuss it and they're like,

1230
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:09.719
all right, let's keep digging. They continue to dig a

1231
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.840
little bit more. And that's when they find the skull,

1232
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.440
and they realize that the skull is way bigger than

1233
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.159
the normal human skull and it's not shaped the same

1234
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.039
as a regular human skull. They get, they get, they

1235
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:23.360
get all real confused, and they're just discussing what to do,

1236
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.000
and then one of them just says it's fasquatch, and

1237
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.719
they all look at each other like no, and they're

1238
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.480
like standing at the skull, stare at the skull, and

1239
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.239
they're like, very it. Cover it back up, cover it

1240
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:38.480
back up. So they started throwing all the bones back

1241
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.079
in the hole, but all the dirt over it. They

1242
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.519
threw that rock camera at the bottom down where they'd

1243
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:50.199
found those bones, covered the whole thing up, left the

1244
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.320
whole mind, the whole site altogether. They never found any goals.

1245
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:57.599
All of them left and decided to like do a

1246
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.639
pack of secrecy that nobody's gonna discuss. That's what happened

1247
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.559
there is gonna wait for somebody else to find the body.

1248
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.039
They're not even gonna know acknowledge that he's dead. You

1249
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:10.440
know nothing. They were never there, you know, everybody you know,

1250
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:16.199
hush and uh. But basically, the you know, pastor of

1251
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.519
the creatures, you know, sitting there crying, balling, and just

1252
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:22.119
telling me about how he you know, he's going to

1253
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.840
go to hell because uh, you know, the guy was

1254
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:28.760
dead up there, and you know, they just hit it,

1255
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.800
you know, and let his body brought away and wasn't

1256
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:33.960
able to you know, the family wasn't able to grieve

1257
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:36.719
and bury him or anything, and just out of their

1258
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.239
pure greed for gold. And he started telling me how

1259
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:41.840
like you know, you know, once you once you get

1260
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.800
a little gold in your hand, he went more and more,

1261
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:46.840
and you know, the nugget is never big enough, you know.

1262
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.159
And he starts telling me about, like, you know, how

1263
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:52.199
he got addicted to gold mining, you know, twenty plus

1264
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.400
years before and I spent his whole life since. And

1265
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:56.800
he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, man,

1266
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.000
is this real? Like is this true? But then I

1267
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.039
was thinking about what ill with the whole campsite. Everything

1268
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.840
just ripped up and tore up. So I'm like, man,

1269
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.960
and I was like, you know, I'm like, well, why

1270
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:08.679
don't you call the cops or something? You know, it

1271
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.480
just anonys me. And then he said that one of

1272
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:14.280
the other guys had already called and that they had

1273
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:19.280
just been up there like the week before and took

1274
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.719
in the whiskey Peach's body. They had already just notified

1275
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.920
the Mexican and they're waiting for a Mexican to come

1276
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:31.199
out to the property and all that stuff, And it

1277
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.239
just kind of blew my mind that I was more

1278
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.079
blowing away to the greed of them having this dead

1279
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.440
body sitting there while they're tearing up this guy's property

1280
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:44.400
looking for golds, and then the whole thing of them

1281
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.519
like turning the body over to look under the bed

1282
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:50.400
for gold because they were so struck by having to

1283
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:54.199
find golds, you know, and the whole story of everything.

1284
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:56.800
I thought about it, you know, and I was like,

1285
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.599
that's crazy. And then I started thinking about this. I

1286
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.440
have a had fast watch on his property, Like did

1287
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:05.079
he kill a fast watch and bury it? You know?

1288
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.199
And then I was like, oh man, this is just crazy.

1289
01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:09.360
After that, I told my boss. I was like, hey, man,

1290
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.039
I can't do that route anymore. You know, Uh, just

1291
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:17.239
tired dealing with customers, too far between locations, you know,

1292
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:19.399
I don't get home till after dark. I'm just I'm

1293
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:21.680
not going to do the route anymore. So I stopped

1294
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:25.600
doing that route and same thing. I've never been back since.

1295
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:36.640
Arturo. That's that's the wildest hold on. That's the wildest

1296
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:42.960
thing I've ever heard on this podcast. Do you think

1297
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.840
there's a buried sasquatch skull in that area?

1298
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.760
It could be or it really could have been, you know,

1299
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:54.760
just a larger person. You know, maybe he did kill

1300
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.680
somebody that was trying to rob him after he got

1301
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:01.039
all that gold, you know, or maybe you know, could

1302
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.239
have been a sasquatch. But then I was thinking back

1303
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:05.760
at it. At the beginning of his property, like in

1304
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:09.479
in southern Oregon, a lot of people have sasquatch stays,

1305
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.920
a little like wooden figurines, and they a lot of

1306
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.279
people have this thing. It's like a big cardboard cutout,

1307
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:17.199
like you get, like, you know, a four by ten

1308
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:19.399
sheet of plywood and they kind of cut out the

1309
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:22.319
outline like a big stancil of a sasquatch, and then

1310
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.680
they painted black or brown and they screw it on

1311
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:27.039
the trees. You know. I see it all over Oregon.

1312
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:31.000
At the beginning of his driveway to go up to

1313
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:33.640
Pett's place, he had one on each side of the

1314
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:38.000
driveway since before, like when I just started and and

1315
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:42.319
it said, you know, you know, keep out, beware, I'm watching,

1316
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:45.199
you know, all that stuff. But that wasn't a big

1317
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.680
thing because everybody in southern Oregon has some kind of

1318
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.720
sashquatch something, you know. And then thinking back to it,

1319
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:55.479
I do remember him a couple of times talking like, yeah,

1320
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:57.600
we'll be carefully there. You know, i'd be leieving kind

1321
01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.880
of lady to be careful, you know, assquatch out in

1322
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:04.000
the woods, and you know, little quotes and stuff like that.

1323
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.119
But he never really told me Pacific p like hey,

1324
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.720
I've seen I've seen a squatch or I killed a

1325
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.119
squatch or anything like that. But it was kind of

1326
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:15.920
just kind of you know, common knowledge or just spoken normally,

1327
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.119
you know, in that general area. So I never really

1328
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.000
overfunk it, you know. But then after they say his

1329
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.880
tassquatch and all that, I started thinking back to like, yeah,

1330
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:27.640
he had a lot of big foot stuff on his property,

1331
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:32.079
you know, little wind chimes with bigfoot and just different

1332
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:35.279
little things, you know, bigfoot sticker on the side of

1333
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.920
his old trailer before he got the new one and

1334
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.479
all that. So I'm like, hey, he probably was a believer,

1335
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.600
But was he a believer because he found one and

1336
01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:44.079
killed it.

1337
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.680
You know, man, so many I don't know, so many

1338
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:52.439
questions we will never get the answer to, absolutely never

1339
01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:55.000
get the answer. I bet whiskey Pete has some wild

1340
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:59.119
big foot encounters up there on that mountain. My goodness,

1341
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:00.560
that wild.

1342
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.039
It's just like a wild West up there. Man, Like

1343
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:09.479
they like everybody's this sss you know, shoot shovel, shut up.

1344
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:13.119
And that could be everything from uh, you know, people

1345
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.359
sneaking on to the gross sites, getting caught in the

1346
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.920
gold mining clams. You know, they shoot you and they

1347
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:20.600
bury you. You know, it's like as common knowledge, like

1348
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.600
they never call the cops, you know, there's any problems

1349
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:27.199
beast between neighbors Hillside and the hillside. You know, I

1350
01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:31.000
rarely hear stories of anybody calling authorities for any problems

1351
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:33.199
that's going on there. You know, they they take care

1352
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:36.680
of everything themselves. So the fact that there's somebody buried

1353
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:39.800
there wasn't really too much of a shock to me.

1354
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.479
But the fact that they said they was giant, and

1355
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:46.279
his skull was real huge and looked different. And then

1356
01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:49.199
then they said, oh, well, the guys mentioned it's a taskquatch,

1357
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.279
and they're like, oh, they all panicked and just start

1358
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:52.119
burying it. You know.

1359
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:53.680
That's so wild.

1360
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:55.000
That kind of threw me off.

1361
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:58.199
Yeah, They're like, nope, we're not in this at all.

1362
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:01.079
Bury it up. That is so crazy. Can you even

1363
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:03.560
I mean, this is such an intense story. Can you

1364
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.359
even share what county it is in? Then?

1365
01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:15.359
Uh? Well, we'll say it's uh an, We'll say like

1366
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:20.359
near the border of Josephine County in Douglas County.

1367
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:29.960
Gotcha, man, that's this is I got. I got.

1368
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.439
But I believed him because because I I had never

1369
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:38.000
seen that man smoke a cigarette. Do you know, I've

1370
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.439
never seen the preacher, you know, pastor do anything of

1371
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:44.920
mind altering anything. In years of going up there, you know,

1372
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.840
they'd even have little community to get togethers where they'd

1373
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:51.399
hang out and barbecue and everybody'd be sitting on shine

1374
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.720
or you know, hanging out, you know, smoking and whatever.

1375
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:56.399
He never touched anything. And that's time I up there

1376
01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:59.359
and he was just belligerent, drunk, crying and all that.

1377
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:01.439
That's when I was like, man, this guy is serious.

1378
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:05.039
You know, something serious is going on. After I had

1379
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:06.960
just left the other place that was torn up, you know,

1380
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.439
and I'm like, you know, I was just believing like

1381
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.520
him word for word, you know that he doesn't seem

1382
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:16.239
like he's never seemed like a dishonest person in any sort,

1383
01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:19.720
you know. And the worst part about all this is

1384
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:24.399
I heard from the next guy that took over that route.

1385
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.319
They'd sent one guy. He got lost everywhere, couldn't find

1386
01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:29.760
any of the locations because they're real hard to find.

1387
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:31.880
So then they told me like, hey, you know, you

1388
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:33.439
want to do a ride along with the next guy

1389
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:35.720
who's going to take over the route, so you could

1390
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.640
show him the route. And I said, no, not really,

1391
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:41.600
I'm not going up there no more. And so they

1392
01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:44.159
found another guy that worked with the company that used

1393
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:48.640
to do that route prior to me working there. They

1394
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:52.079
sent him up there, and when he came down the mountain,

1395
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:56.600
he was talking about the Yeah, the preacher committed suicide.

1396
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.199
I said what I said, I said, past like, pastor,

1397
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.680
I was like, you know, the well, you know whatever,

1398
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.479
the you know, the yellow car and this, you know,

1399
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.279
like that guy is a yain. He blew his head

1400
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:15.119
off shotgun. Nobody knows. Nobody knows why he blew his

1401
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:15.560
head off.

1402
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:16.960
He could he couldn't live.

1403
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:21.239
Yeah, yeah, And I remember him just telling me how

1404
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:25.640
he's he's going to hell for, you know, desecrating that

1405
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.119
man's body and not calling the authorities, and you know,

1406
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.840
he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, I

1407
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.560
could totally see him doing that, just in a drunken

1408
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.720
stupor just you know, upset about what happened, and I

1409
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:42.119
could totally see that happening, you know, But I personally

1410
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:45.039
haven't not been back up there since. But you know,

1411
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.159
I that's what I heard, is you know pastor uh,

1412
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:50.520
you know, opted out, shall we.

1413
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:55.239
Say, Arturo?

1414
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:55.880
This is.

1415
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:02.560
It is, without a out, the most intense story I

1416
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:08.600
have heard in the last five years. And I don't

1417
01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:11.600
even want to think of what's going to come from

1418
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.680
the comments on this one. I mean, I'm sure maybe

1419
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.399
other people know parts of this story that that you

1420
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:23.640
didn't know because it happened later, and man, who knows

1421
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:26.159
where this is going to go next? But Artaro, thank

1422
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:30.560
you for sharing what you've experienced over the years. This

1423
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:31.720
is absolutely wild.

1424
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:36.279
Yeah, I've been wanted to talk about with somebody for

1425
01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.720
a long time and since I lived out here in

1426
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:42.119
southern Oregon. Though when we first moved out here, we'd

1427
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:46.960
moved to Grasspath Oregon, right we first first moved up here,

1428
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:51.760
and they're like they have these big caveman statues around town,

1429
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:55.960
like the tow truck company is Caveman Towing, and the

1430
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:58.800
high school football team or like the Caveman or whatever.

1431
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.119
Like all this cave man stuff, I'm like, is just

1432
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:03.079
just rubbing it in my face. You know, Like when

1433
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:04.640
I moved away from Soak, I was just kind of

1434
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:06.640
trying to block out of my mind forget about it.

1435
01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:10.079
I'm seeing all this caveman stuff, right, and I'm still

1436
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.960
on an impression that you know, hundred that I saw

1437
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.720
with some kind of caveman or some giant or you know,

1438
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:19.039
something like that. Right, And I see all this big

1439
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:20.960
foot stuff all the time. I'm like, hen, he's idiots

1440
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:24.000
believing in bigfoot, right, So I'm like the idiots with

1441
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:27.720
their bigfoot stuff, but I'm seeing all this caveman stuff.

1442
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.640
But I would sit back at you know, bonfires, hanging out,

1443
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:33.279
you know, capping with the boys, and I'd heard people

1444
01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:35.399
kind of talk a little little stories here and there

1445
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:38.359
about bigfoot and all that. But you know, me personally,

1446
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.680
I'm you know, I still don't consider that I've seen

1447
01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:43.159
a big foot. I saw something else, you know. But

1448
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.119
out here, it's like bigfoots just common knowledge. Some people,

1449
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:49.079
you know, you know, not out of ten would be like, oh,

1450
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:52.119
that's a myth and that's the greatest host of all times,

1451
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:54.800
and you know whatever, it's just serious. Say he's saying

1452
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:57.640
enough people everybody thinks it's true, you know, and then

1453
01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:00.560
like one out of ten people like, yeah, yeah, they're real,

1454
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:02.680
Like oh my uncle had one at the back of

1455
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:05.560
his property, you know, and that's just you know, common No,

1456
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:07.119
it's like it's not a big deal. But like the

1457
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:09.600
other night, people you talk to you are like, you're ridiculous,

1458
01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:12.960
you know. So I never mentioned to anybody what I

1459
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:16.119
saw in southern California with Theaudrey jokes. I just didn't

1460
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:17.840
want to be rig called, like oh you saw a

1461
01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:20.920
cave man, you know, So I just never really mentioned it.

1462
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:22.800
But I just kind of listen to other people's stories

1463
01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:27.720
and you know, but out here, I've never seen nothing

1464
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:31.720
in Oregon personally, I've never seen nothing in a couple

1465
01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:36.239
of black bears, yeah, things like that. But yeah, well

1466
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:38.640
take it for what it is. But you know, the

1467
01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:40.680
look in that man's face, I believe what he was

1468
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:41.159
telling me.

1469
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:45.119
You know, I think he made the right choice just

1470
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.520
walking away from all that. I don't think that would

1471
01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:52.279
have gotten any better for you. Just there's too much,

1472
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.760
too much going up in that area that is not

1473
01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:58.479
not what you want to mess with for sure.

1474
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:05.119
Yeah, I realized that Gold makes people crazy. Yeah crazy

1475
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:05.600
for Gold.

1476
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:10.960
Such a sad story, but also such a I mean,

1477
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:15.800
it's it's wilder than most of the movies I've seen,

1478
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:21.479
to be honest, it's an incredibly intense arturo. Thank you

1479
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.079
so much for coming on the show and for sharing

1480
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:29.399
what you've experienced over the years. I greatly appreciate it.

1481
01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.680
That problem. I feel a lot better, you know, getting

1482
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:34.119
it off my chest.

1483
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:36.640
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1484
01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:39.920
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1485
01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.720
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1486
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.560
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1487
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:49.880
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1488
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:53.319
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

1489
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.319
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1490
01:18:56.439 --> 01:19:00.359
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you dumbled

1491
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.239
upon something you're not allowed to talk about, and if

1492
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:06.800
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

1493
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.439
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

1494
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.159
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1495
01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:17.319
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1496
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:20.840
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1497
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:24.720
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1498
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:28.079
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1499
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.119
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1500
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.640
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1501
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:38.439
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1502
01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:41.840
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1503
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.640
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1504
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:52.000
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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1506
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carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

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We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

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