The Hidden Secrets of The Owl Moon Lab with Tobe Johnson (Remastered)

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time so far, so let's get
on with the show, all right.

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Bigfoot Society have got the privilege of
talking to mister Tobe Johnson. You may

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have heard of him from the Owl
Moon Lab. How's it going, Tobe?

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It's good to finally meet you,
Jeremiah. Thanks for having me on.

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Did you got it? Man?
Oh? But allow me to I'm

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gonna I'm gonna spend a few minutes
talking about I want to talk about al

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Moon Lab just a little bit.
Okay, it's a really good book,

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dude, Like I picked it up
a few days ago and I started reading

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it and I was like, yeah, maybe this is spread out over a

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few days and it was like boom, No, gotta keep reading it,

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gotta keep reading it. It is. It's well written. Also, I

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love how Doug Hicheck puts in the
QR codes. You've got these little easter

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egg evidence things spattered about, You've
got sounds, you got videos, you

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got interviews. It's just it's the
most amazing book reading experience. And hats

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off to you. It's a great
book, dude, Appreciate that. Jeremiah,

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Yeah, it was. The QR
codes came at the behest of Doug's

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sun. I believe it was the
Blaine Hicheck who's infamous for being in the

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Snail Grove episode of Monster Quest,
and it has taken off. I think

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there's another book in the world through
their publisher that Dave Ellis is doing,

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and I think they even have a
name for it now. I think they're

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calling it like embedded Sound Technology or
something like that. So it's a really

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cool concept that adds a lot of
fun to a book, to where it

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brings you back to those choose your
own adventure days where books. You're interactive,

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and I had already embraced trying to
do a YouTube channel the same venture

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where people could choose my adventure for
me, and I thought, shoot,

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I can't do all the things I
love to do, so this is good.

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Let's just embrace writing this chapter down
of my life. It's tough once

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in a while getting any feedback from
people when you do an artistic venture like

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that, and sometimes you don't necessarily
want to know the public feedback. I'm

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a new author. For me,
it was there a new publishing company,

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so for us, it was just
us doing what we love. And Doug

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is such. If there's one person
people need to hang out with, it's

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Doug Blaine and Alex the high Checked. You know Trio. Absolutely, he

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definitely knows the stuff. You can
tell Awl moon Lab, Holy mackerel.

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If I was listeners, and I'm
told, I hope you take this the

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right way. But listeners, remember
how when you were watching Hellier and you're

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like, wow, this just gets
crazier and like twists and turns and stuff

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you didn't expect and synchronicities, and
if you like that, you're really going

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to like this book. It's in
the same family of stories. Totally different,

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of course, but if you dig
Hellier, you're gonna dig al Moon

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Lab. I just I kept getting
that same vibe, which as a big

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compliment. Yeah, I was a
big fan of that documentary. A lot

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of people haven't seen it yet.
Go watch this documentary. It's incredible.

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It's like a two part saga.
Forget anything on Netflix, forget damer go

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watch Hellier. When we were in
lockdown, Hellier was happening, and for

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me, it was just so much
deja vus of how they were building this

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unexpected, synchronistic narrative, and it
was just something that everybody was affected by,

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and everyone was affected by this story
in the same way because when you

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find out that magic is real and
that it somehow dances in the world of

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Bigfoot, that's something that a lot
of people can't get behind, and maybe

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not everybody should. This could very
well be something only meant for specific people

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during a specific time, and I
think this was my time. I love

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that. Let's take a second and
let's make sure that the listeners are on

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the right page with what they need
to know about you. And that's the

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crazy thing. You've got so much
going on, what do you want people

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to know? You've got so many
things you could throw out there. Oh

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man, I was just a fanboy
like everybody else. Starts out. Two

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thousand and eight, I start a
podcast called Bigfoot Air. It is based

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upon my passion of looking into the
mysteries of the Pacific Northwest growing up just

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right outside of a Eugene, oreon
Goo Ducks, and so I was tapping

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into Talksho's wavelength, which was really
the beginning of everything else we know is

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podcasts. And I interview a guy
named Henry Franzoni, who's the author out

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of Washington status scientists that work with
Peter Burn, and a guy named I

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believe his named John Glickman, and
they did a five million dollar comprehensive study

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of Sasquatch underneath Mount Hood. Now
this is a little bit of a long

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story. However, the concentration to
talk to somebody like Henry and pay attention

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to what he said really was on
deaf ears on my part because of the

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fact that I didn't know any of
these players here. Peter Burn seemed like

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this guy that to me, he
smacked of one of the vegas as far

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as like being a good fella or
something like he was bigger than life.

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This guy was rock Star Vegas.
Totally Henry to be attached to them.

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I was a little bit of a
fanboy talking to these guys, and then

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they pretty much just told me Henry
did is it? Like, Hey,

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slow down, you can experience this
stuff yourself. All you have to do

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is go out and find a place
on the map that has a spooky,

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scary name, hence his book Spirit
of Siatco. And so before Google Earth,

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before any of that, I just
hopped on an old fashioned map in

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my trunk and just start picking out
areas that sounded crazy. And that kind

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of led to meeting these witnesses along
the way that I write about in the

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book, and I call these people
extended experiencers of Sasquatch interaction totally. So

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these e SI's were what I was
trying to seek out, but I didn't

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quite know how to do it,
and so that took me getting to know

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more people like Henry Franzoni and Tom
Powell and Ron Moorehead. That advice you

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just gave was awesome, but I
want to unpack it a little bit more.

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So. Let's say a listener wants
to do this, and they find

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like Scuokum Lake, Iowa, which
is not a place, but so they

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find and then what's the next step
do they start talking to people in that

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town? Do they start to go
into like bars in the town and be

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like, Hey, does anyone know
any stories? Yeah? What I decided

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to do was go into the bar
and do monthly meetings and just very assumingly

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suggested to This is during the two
thousand real estate crash, housing crash,

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so a lot of people were hurting
two thousand and seven, two thousand and

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eight. They didn't really know it
yet, but they were. And so

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on a Wednesday night, once a
month, we would have monthly basically like

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Bigfoot A and A meetings. People
would show up, grab a pint,

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not saying I don't have one here
myself. We're sitting there once a month

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telling these Bigfoot stories and it turns
into a thing. Right, This is

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the beginning of the town hall phenomena. And so in a little town of

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Lieberg, Oregon, I would have
people are coming up after the show,

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after the eyewitness testimonies were over.
Where roadside crossings are the most popular type,

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I would have people come up to
me after the show, I'm putting

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away the PA system and they're saying, hey, this has followed me home,

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and we've got stuff happening right down
the highway from us here. Those

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are the kind of stories that I'd
been hearing three years prior to me doing

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these live events, and we skipped
a lot of territory along the way here.

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However, I think it's important just
to get into the meat and potatoes,

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which are the Sasquatch contactes, which
probably is a better suited name for

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what we're talking about, because much
like the contact ees of the UFO world,

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these people are no less affected.
In fact, there's cross contamination between

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the forensic evidence and the anecdotal experiences
witness accounts. For that reason, if

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I had to do it over again, I probably would have gone with that

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name there, but maybe that's for
part two down the road. So that's

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what I started to embrace. Or
these people stopping me on the way to

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the parking lot and tapping me on
the shoulder saying, hey, this is

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much weirder than that guy was saying
on the stand up there, and they

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followed me home, and so that's
where things really started taking off. Incredible

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when I was reading your book.
That is also that idea you had where

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it's like, how do I get
to these people, how do I hear

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the story? Make a hangout town
hall in a local pub and they'll come

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to you, And that was that
is so smart, dude. I wasn't

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trying to connive a way to do
anything. It just was synchronicity with the

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fact that there was a witness out
of pizza parlor, and this witness was

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really eager about his close encounter,
and he was our first witness, and

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so it was just, you know, my adrenaline to meet these people that

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had this backyard bigfoot phenomena like Sally
Shepherd Walford describes in her book Valley the

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Skukum or Julie Scott describes in her
book from up here in the Olympics Peninsula,

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where they're talking about the phenomena coming
to their own backyard and that this

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is much stranger. And so I
wanted to get to whether or not this

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was true because it seemed as though
it'd be very easy to debunk and this

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could just very well be a flesh
and blood answer and cross contamination for maybe

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the UFO phenomena. And I thought
maybe they have the two worlds confused,

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but secretly I was hoping it was
way cool like this actually is. And

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Boyle boy was I guess Tom Powell
was right. Ron Moorehead was right.

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This is a much cooler phenomena than
the average flesh and blood bigfoot or would

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ever have you believe? That's awesome? And I'm just going to ask you

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straight out, what do you think
Bigfoot is? Oh, we're going right

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to it. Why not? I've
asked. I guess in a sense I

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get into it a little bit in
the book as The quick answer is,

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I think there's some kind of land
spirit. They're both. They're physical and

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non physical. There as the Native
Americans have tried to tell us, in

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some cases warn us about that this
phenomena is a spiritual journey of some kind,

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and it's a part of that spirit
journey, just like all of these

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other phenomenas that you can't put in
a box and you can't photograph, and

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you can't there's no amount of look
at a pentagon right now, just everything

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they're going through right now to say, listen, this is so strange.

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This is if we're to believe what's
coming out of Lou Alizondo's mouth and Jeremy

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Corbell's mouth and skinning about the ranch. There's some interesting crossover between Almon Lab

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and all these power spots in Utah, And secretly we called this place a

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skin twin. There's so much information
being thrown at you in a hot spot,

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and I think for far too long
these places have been overlooked because they've

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been discounted as well. That can't
be sasquatch evidence. That's something else.

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And I get it. Although we
look at where we are, look at

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where we are today with what we
have to actually show our colleagues in the

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university, it's not really moved a
whole lot until I say, this UFO

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stuff start popping up. Now we're
in different categories and you go to these

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conferences and you see a lot of
people at these UFO conferences hearing Bigfoot conversations

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going stopping people in the parking lot
and saying, hey, it's like this

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too. Yeah, And the thing
is that it's not. I don't think

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it's far out of the question to
connect UFO and big Look at for example,

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Stan Gordon in the Chestnut Ridge area
of Pennsylvania, like this is not

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just like this has happened in other
areas, is where there's connections between UFO

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sightings and bigfoot sightings, Like,
yeah, I think there's something to it

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for sure, Tope, But get
I understand, And they're right. The

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flesh and blood world is absolutely correct
when they blame people that are looking at

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the paranormal to solve all of the
gray areas. And I talk a little

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bit about in the book how intolerable
it is for me to deal with these

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people, not only at conferences,
but just watching them online and share their

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evidence, and it's not very good
and it's just easy to debunk. However,

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we have quite a bit of forensic
data that really hasn't seen the light

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of day, that has been looked
at from people from all different backgrounds that

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aren't bigfooters. Wow, and it
was collected in some really strange circumstances.

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And now I find myself sharing it
with people from Utah, people like Garl

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Sims right, who looks into alien
abductions and implants and things like that.

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We're coming away with a lot of
private conversations that say, hey, there's

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some interesting cross contamination here going on
with these phenomenas. I don't know how

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we've missed this. So I've looked
past the gigantopithecus answer here and been happy

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that I've done that, because hey, this is a lot more fun when

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you're digging into the truth and not
shutting down and sequestering all of these witnesses

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and saying, Okay, tell your
story this way and this is going to

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go online this way. If anything
the last three years has proven to me

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is that silence does not reveal the
truth. And if anybody's trying to shut

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you down and shut you up,
woe to yourself. Look to hang out

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with them for very long, because
they have an agenda and I have no

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agenda. There's a lot that we've
debunked along the way about our own story

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and figured out because it takes a
while to debunkt up. Sometimes it takes

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years. But I've invited at least
twenty different people to come to this area,

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and at least five of them now
have adopted this area as their own

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and now they're having their own experiences. And that's just the kind of legacy

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that I think should be left behind
when you're looking into this. It's just

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total transparency and honesty and try to
be light about it and a little bit

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humorous. Also, when someone starts
to try to shut down what you're talking

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about, that usually means you got
something there and they don't want you to

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talk about it. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a reaffirming in a way.

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Let's go to here. What was
the first situation where you realized I'm

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not really sure what's going on here, or like your introduction to Bigfoot.

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Was there a certain time you can
pinpoint where it's like, what is going

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on? Hmm? Yeah. The
evidence was coming in basically immediately when I

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started doing things on my own.
One of the first places I went was

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at the behest of researcher Autumn Williams, who had researched he called Bohemia,

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which is east of Cottage Grove,
Oregon, and that's where the al moon

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takes place. And she basically called
this mountain side her research areas where Mysterious

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Encounters had filmed a couple episodes with
Matt Moneymaker. Doug Eichek produced it,

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and she started showing me the area. And I didn't live too far.

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I lived like an hour away,
maybe an hour and a half, so

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I would get up in that area. I was working for ups at that

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time, and I came back with
some interesting evidence that, yeah, they

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seemed to be up in the cliffs. There there's what looks like a fresh

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nest in the back of a cave
on a vertical cliff about fifteen hundred feet

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up above this old mining town.
And that got me thinking, Okay,

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so she's not chasing imagination. There's
something physical going on here. And the

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miners are talking now. The locals
are showing up at these bigfoot and beers

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that were having and they're telling their
story about the Bohemia area. And so

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that got me thinking as far as
okay, I can invest some time and

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money and effort into this as well, And so I did. I start

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going to pretty much. First of
all, I would just knock on people's

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houses or if I saw them sitting
out on a patio watching traffic, like

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literally, people would be how I
don't know if people do this in the

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country in your area, but in
the country and cottage grow they'll sit out

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on their davenports on the patio and
they're way traffic. This is like the

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retired thing to do, yep.
And if they have a sasquatch carving in

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their front yard, even better.
And so all those things were confirming to

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me. But the first thing that
really happened that seemed to shake up the

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waters for it just being a flesh
and blood issue, the discussion of the

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lights. Someone had said to me
a close gal friend of mine, researcher

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Beth hiking and said, eventually you're
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I said, well, what do
I expect? She goes, I don't

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know. They're in bigfoot areas.
They could be small, they could be

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large, but generally they're short,
and they're fleeting, and they're alive.

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I'll never forget she said that.
She goes, They're they're alive somehow,

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they're organic. Don't think UFO.
And we're up above this area where we

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did Bigfoot and beer, a place
we called oz Yes. And it was

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in that extended experience or connective issue
where I had two different houses that basically

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said the hill behind us is active
with Bigfoot stuff, and they gave me

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permission to go up there any time
I wanted. And that's when one night

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I saw this huge light above the
hillside, above the sabandoned helopad launch and

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it was just a magnificent white star
being born in the middle of the forest.

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It was so big, so piercing, so bright, so close in

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front of the tree line less than
I don't know, probably about one hundred

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and fifty to two hundred yards away, and it was just like a pyrotechnic

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but it's like a Van Halen's show, like you expected to hear a boom

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or blast sound. And it stair
stepped through the tree four different times,

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and it was just like here you
go, here's another one. And it

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took about forty five minutes or so
for this to happen, And so we

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kept coming back to that area,
and eventually my I would stay, try

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to stay the night there, and
my tent would be moved forty nine feet

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and it was in a tree.
That part messed with my head. Dude,

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Yeah, that was wild. But
see now, that could have been

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a crazy landowner that I never met. Yeah, but it's fifty feet it's

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up in a tree, though.
I moved forty nine feet and it went

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up about eight feet on top of
a rhododendron bush, which coties are like

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trees. But everything was facing the
right way, right, my maps and

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my tent fly had not blown away. They were still forty nine feet where

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the tent was candy wrappers, nickers
rappers should blow away or whatever. And

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then we saw more lights and it
just got to the point where the neighbors

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are just like, we see lights
too, and they're coming in our house.

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Wha, the bigfoots are involved with
this. They're like sitting there watching

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my kids in the bay window.
And I don't know what to expect now

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that we have these lights and these
silhouetted giant monkey men sitting Indian style watching

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my daughters that refused to take a
photograph. And so that was a spot

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like that gave me permission to say, okay, so I'm not going to

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discount anymore claims of paranormal bigfoot.
And then I had something run up behind

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me. It sounded like an elephant
on two legs in the middle of the

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day, between these two houses on
an abandoned skid road, where there was

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this fresh bisected vule that had no
predation marks. It looked like it had

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been pinched and separated and placed on
the single trail I just came in on.

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And this is a thing right along
the way here. We'll be mentioning

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things that I don't hear a lot
of other bigfooters talk about, but little

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tiny moles and voles set up in
the middle of trail's mice. It's a

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bigfoot thing. I'm not saying bigfoot
does it, but it's a cause and

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effect thing. If you look into
it, it may erupt something to happen.

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In this case, I had what
I thought was upset landowner come running

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behind me on two legs, right
like an eight hundred pound man and stop

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just as I turned around, And
it was only twelve inches or so from

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that last footprint, which makes the
ground move when it's running. So that

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was what do you do with that? I knew what to do with that.

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For me, it was the ultimate
appeal of an endless mystery. I

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knew that immediately these things were never
going to let me solve it, but

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I could have one hell of the
time living and embracing that world from time

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to time. It's just and that's
when the book started. I was reading

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it, and that the oz part
in all that, and I was like,

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oh my goodness, what is going
on with this book? And then

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it just keeps going just wilder and
wilder, and oh man, it just

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it is literally like the stuff you're
bringing up. It's almost like you're experiencing

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these like skinwalker ranch type areas in
the Pacific Northwest, which is just it's

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mind blowing. Dude. They're all
over there. They really are something special.

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But I don't think they're unique.
I just like bidfoot, bigfoot is

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special. I don't think it's unique. Telling the stories what unique. Seeing

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these things is not unique or having
an experience, it's just not. I

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don't believe that for a second.
I've talked to too many people. They've

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seen more of these, I think
than cougars. These are just as rampant

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as UFO and ghost sightings. That
the problem is that nobody wants to talk

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about it because you have bigfoot on
bumper stickers and it just sounds like the

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most goofy thing in the world that
you saw a wild monkey man. And

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then you add in magic to the
element, it turns into this other area

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of the looney bin, and so
you just can't care what people think.

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You got to find your own tribe
to hang out with and just the rest

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of them be damned. You just
got to embrace the weird. What's the

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end goal for you with all of
this research is there a goal you have

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in mind where you reach that point
and you'll be like, Okay, I

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finally like I'm here. Oh gosh. If I could see what Adam Davies

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saw, h that'd be a pretty
good I'd be okay, that would be

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a good like drop off point,
not drop off like end at all.

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But if I could have saw what
those three gentlemen saw, because I talked

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to him that night when that happened, do you mind refreshing the listeners on

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what that scenario was. They they're
up in an area well known for Matt

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Johnson's habituation area which you're called Snohaw, and Adam Davies and John Carlson were

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there to debunk Matt's claims, and
they saw a portal open up and two

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creatures enter and exit the building or
the building the opening, and it was

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very specific on what they describe.
It's in his new book, which came

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out only a couple of weeks ago, I believe it's called Portals and Monsters,

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and it talks a little bit about
that encounter. That's a very It

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should change this conversation, and it
just hasn't because of the fact that it's

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so crazy sounding. But that's something
that I don't know that they necessarily ever

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want to talk about. I'm talking
about it now because he's written a book

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about it and they've done a podcast, and I think it's an important part

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of bigfoot lore. And I thought
we would see something like that at the

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Al Moon. I really did,
because it was getting to the point where

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we weren't backing down and I'm sleeping
right next to the phenomena twenty four to

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seven for almost a year straight,
not getting much sleep, just totally concentrating

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on seeing a moment like that happen. And we got a couple of interesting

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photographs, but I never got to
see something like that happen. And I

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think along the way, we're going
to have to embrace the idea of there

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being invisible doorways, window areas,
or portals. It's certainly what they did

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at Skinwalker Ranch, and that's that's
part of the Pentagon's investment and looking into

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Skinwalker was descriptions of seeing sasquatch intern
exit glowing sortals over the mesa they said

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they saw where wolf smoking cigars with
fedoras on the Vinegon did not back down

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from that, right, Yeah,
totally, Yeah, this is a much

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more interesting phenomenon than just Bigfoot and
Bluff Creek. It's just it seems like

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there's all it seems like there's all
these different areas starting to pop up around

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the country really, and it just
it feels like something's gonna happen and it's

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all going to get tied together something. I don't know. It just it

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feels like it has to someday.
But I know, we'll see. Maybe

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that's part of the allure, trying
to put all the strings on the right

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dots and figure it out. Do
you mind sharing a little bit about alluded

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to how things were just getting crazier
and crazier in the Owl Moon area.

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What kind of things were experiencing the
whole area is it has so much history

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to it as far as Bigfoot and
UFOs and ghosts, and maybe because it's

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the shape of the land right.
I don't know if I spoke about this

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in the book or not, but
the geology of these places here they talk

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a lot about bigfoot habitat, but
they don't talk about geomancing, which is

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a type of looking into magical ramifications
for geology and doing things in that geology

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to amp it up and so maybe
some of that stuff had happened previous to

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even the white men or natives being
there for that matter. And what I

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mean is that it was in a
parabolic dish shape. And you'll hear that

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doctor Travis Taylor talk about this like
the basis. Yeah, So those parabolic

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shapes are all over the globe and
they're hot spots. They're also where there

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are conductive waterways, copper veins,
quartz, yes, and in this case

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a lot of gold and iron.
And so those going down one of the

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main rivers and a cottage grove on
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And maybe that's why I know the
military is really interested in doing flyovers of

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both of those areas there, Skinwalker, I'm not quite sure as far as

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the military is concerned. There's been
some interesting vehicles that we've seen for a

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long time, blacked out SUVs and
a lot of fighter jets probably going out

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to Nellis probably going out the area
fifty one or coming out from the Pacific,

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and they'll tilt their wings periodically from
a pretty low altitude to let you

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know that, hey, we see
you in your boat out there fishing,

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and we're one of you don't worry
about it. But there's also black triangles

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that have been seen over the Coburg
Hills at less than five hundred feet off

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of I five, and this Coburg
hillside I was actually chased. I don't

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know who chased us out. But
when you're chased out by five black SUVs

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around two in the morning and you
have your son in the back seat with

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his the neighborhood buddy, they're just
going going out for a lark, going

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bigfooting with the crazy neighbor. Right, Yeah, we get chased out by

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black SUVs. That was not a
book, no, because it was connected

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a little bit to the area,
but it wasn't almon proper really, it

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was in a different area. But
wow, five SUVs. Yeah, and

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maybe we just got too close to
I don't know, maybe pot smugglers or

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up there or whatever. But then
I've had people tell me that they've seen

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power lines going into the mountain in
that area. That don't make any sense

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that they these giant power boxes in
at this road and there's power lines going

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into the mountain. That was told
me to me by that's well respected out

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of Eugene, Oregon. A guy
named Bill London, so interesting area,

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but very unassuming, like it's a
college town, it's Oregon Duck country,

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it's hippie country, it's left the
center politics country, and then it's a

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milltown. And that's what it's known
for, is just being the West coast

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left coast, and that's it.
And so to add all this other stuff,

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the paranormal or Bigfoot, there was
really no tolerating it in and around

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Eugene Springfield. So I had to
re amp these live events that I was

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doing. And that's where I started
to go into this little bar called the

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Axe and Fiddle and Cottage Grove and
said, you know what, I'll just

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start these up again under a new
name, new bar, same premise that

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we're going to get locals to tell
their crazy stories. And they didn't really

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as much as I was hoping that
they would. I actually had to bring

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people in on the big screen and
do zoom meetings like we're doing. And

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I was never really that happy with
it, just for the fact that Cottage

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Grove wasn't embracing it as much as
I was hoping they would. Sure,

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but then I met Darryl Adams,
who totally embraced the phenomena, and he

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said, in fact, I'm retired, I live in Cottage Grove. I've

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got nothing but time. And if
you want to move in and research this

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with us, go right ahead,
Come research Bigfoot at our house rent free.

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Wow. And that's where when you
start to in the book, when

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you start to have that connection with
Darryl, it just seems like that's when

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it just it almost switches gears and
like the stuff that you're hearing on that

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00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:56.440
property. It's so hard and I'm
not even I wasn't even involved, and

403
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.720
it's hard for me to wrap my
mind around it. I can't imagine what

404
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.000
you guys are thinking when you're hearing
pretty much, you're hearing EVPs, you're

405
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:08.559
hearing the sides of the buildings get
get slapped up against all different types of

406
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:14.079
not just bigfoot activity, but also
like almost paranormal activity, you would think,

407
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.559
and it's like, how do you
explain that. In twenty twelve,

408
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:23.079
there was a large trackway cast in
the drained out lake bed a Cottage Grove

409
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:29.640
reservoir. It was found by a
guy named Max Roy who was a used

410
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:36.440
car salesman and he liked to fix
up cars at barn finds. Basically,

411
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:42.799
so while he was traveling along London
Road in Cottage Grove, Oregon, he

412
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.039
was walking along the bike path there
the Warehouser Road actually, which is now

413
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.240
the bike path, looking at old
cars and barns on the side of the

414
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.960
road and got tipped off by this
weirdo and a rain slicker with a dog

415
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.319
that said, hey, there's weird
tracks down there. I got some pictures

416
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.400
of him, so I don't know, be on the look out. Wow.

417
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.079
This started what was called the London
Trackway. And so my son got

418
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.960
a knock on the door from this
Max Roy and said, hey, I

419
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:14.359
saw you had a big foot sticker
on your jeep. I've got these photographs

420
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.000
of these bigfoot tracks. If you're
interested, maybe you want to go look

421
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:22.039
at them. And so that that
phone call from my son with those photos

422
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.279
there really set the tone for the
al Moon Lab in twenty eighteen. So

423
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:32.319
between twenty twelve and twenty eighteen was
basically five years of me saying, Okay,

424
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.079
Cottage Grove is a lot closer than
the places I've been going to.

425
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:43.720
I'll just start investing all my time
talking to the locals down here. And

426
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.799
so I got to know the area
based upon this trackway. Now the trackway

427
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:52.920
itself is still a mystery. It's
under dispute because of Cliff and Meldrum's opinion

428
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.920
on what the forensics show of that
issue. But there's a over one hundred

429
00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.359
and twenty two tracks five feet apart
for over one hundred yards, and there's

430
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.839
some interesting anatomy that's never been addressed
as far as I'm concerned about that trackway.

431
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:10.920
But now Tom Pewell owns the majority
of the tracks. It is what

432
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:17.320
it is with the trackway regardless,
the area still persisted with bigfoot reports.

433
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.880
People were telling me they saw what
they call a blue eyed spider. So

434
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.159
what's that look like? And it
looked like a spider crawling on the ground

435
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:31.000
eight feet long with these glowing blue
eyes. Yeah. And then someone one

436
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.199
of the neighbors would eventually tell us
that he saw an upright blue eyed bear

437
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.559
advance on him while he was getting
his kindling. So I'm hearing all this

438
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:45.559
glowing blue eyed stuff of this creature
crawling around. There's a board certified psychologist

439
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:50.360
along with a guy named Chris Mineir
who's a BFRO guy, another guy named

440
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.239
John Bull, all behind the al
Moon lab. Four of these guys I'll

441
00:34:53.239 --> 00:35:00.360
see I believe three Bigfoot in the
moonlight, very close, totally shap up

442
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.280
by what they'd seen and did.
The stories just kept getting bigger and bigger.

443
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.800
So fast forward to twenty eighteen and
here's this guy named Darryl Adams said,

444
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.480
Hey, come play Bigfoot with me
and you can research full time.

445
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:21.320
I was a truck driver at those
in those days, and that's when things

446
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.199
really took off. At that invitation. Oh man, it's just it's wild.

447
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.280
It's wild. And then it seems
like it doesn't really let up either.

448
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.400
You read the book and it's just
like it almost did it feel like

449
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:39.000
when you're researching that area that things
kept escalating and escalating or how did you

450
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:45.519
feel? I knew it was lightning
in a bottle when it happened. I

451
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:52.280
had the hindsight of looking at the
rest of these researchers cases and I just

452
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.760
thought it would end a lot quicker. So when I got my recorders out

453
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:02.400
and the cameras and moved my trailer
on the property there, I thought this

454
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.000
is probably going to blow over in
thirty days. I can't imagine it being

455
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:14.000
prolonged like I was so I just
kept waiting for it to all go away,

456
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.159
and it was still really cool.
We found these giant knee impressions which

457
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:24.599
seemed to be plus or minus fourteen
hundred pounds, with anomalous hairs coming up

458
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.480
out of the red clay tree structures
above the knee impressions or what looked like

459
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.639
tree structures. Certainly there was something
weird in the trees or on the trees

460
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.039
above those knees. And then we're
getting confirmation from these flesh and blood people

461
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:45.880
that yeah, there's evidence to these
impressions. A you're right, they're from

462
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.000
an extremity and they look to be
knee impressions, and these flesh and blood

463
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.400
people are telling me, hey,
this hair is anomalous. I looked at

464
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:58.239
over two hundred other hairs that people
have sent me throughout the years. Yours

465
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.559
is number five or six, and
I'm willing to your report and like,

466
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.280
okay, but wait, hi,
I'm crazy, Tobe Johnson, nice to

467
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:10.840
meet you. You with me,
And they were saying, yeah, because

468
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:16.360
I've never heard or seen anything like
this, or if I have, what's

469
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.719
valid, and this is what I
would call good to go. So I

470
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.360
was really happy for the fact that
we're bridging this gap with people that wanted

471
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:30.039
to just look into the evidence,
no matter how much weirdness was connected to

472
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.880
it. Because the weirdness would start
coming immediately when we would get these knee

473
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:38.679
impressions, we would cast them and
we put the in the garage. And

474
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.519
once once the knees sat in that
garage, it was like a business card

475
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.119
saying, hey, we look into
weirdness and we're happy to serve you.

476
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.159
And it all just came right down
the hillside or up the creek. I

477
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.760
don't know. I remember a part
of the book where it's I think you

478
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.679
have a realization that, oh no, I've got a ton of bigfoot hair

479
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:07.639
in the garage, and that could
be pretty much attracting the craziness. Tom,

480
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.960
Yeah, why not that one?
Oh nice, it's here? Wow?

481
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.599
Yeah, that one I leave is
off of the door. It was

482
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:23.880
attached to a greasy handprint that almost
bent like rubber, and this greasy substance.

483
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:31.159
For a long time, bigfooters have
been overlooking as just being slimy mud

484
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:37.719
or ash. A lot of people
say it's just dust or ash, but

485
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.320
there's more going on with these handprints. And thank God for someone like Doug

486
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:47.159
Hicheck and Kelly Covington, Montana,
because now this stuff is being appreciated as

487
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.440
being highly different than mud or ash. When it attaches itself to something like

488
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.400
a painted door, you can't get
this stuff off, You can't scrub it

489
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:04.360
off. Eventually you're gonna have to
repainted again, especially painted things like cars,

490
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:08.960
doors, plastics, because it changes, It mutates the polymers, according

491
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:14.760
to Doug Hicheck at a molecular level, and it destroys and degrades it,

492
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:21.920
especially plastics and fabrics like a tint. So we would find these things almost

493
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.679
coming. They were set the stage
for you. Here. The knees were

494
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:30.039
inside this locked, brand new shop
which was big enough to park to RVs

495
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.440
and had a brand new cement floor. My trailers parked outside, and all

496
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.840
that's surrounding the trailer and the garage
and the main house is a small patch

497
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:45.719
of yard and a bunch of gravel. And so to get from a to

498
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.639
b it was gravel, very little
grass and sidewalk to ambulate a round.

499
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.400
So you should hear something coming.
So when we would set out our audio

500
00:39:54.400 --> 00:40:00.440
equipment, very few times did we
ever get the sound of anything approaching,

501
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.639
although we did, and it was
pretty incredible a couple different times. But

502
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.280
when you find large, greasy handprints
twice the size of any given man,

503
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:13.760
that are slimy with red or black
hair attached to it, and you can

504
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.559
see the palm striations, and you
can see the friction ridges and the dermals,

505
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:24.360
and you can appreciate that you know
someone's hoaxing you. They're going through

506
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.280
an extra effort here, just like
the London tracks. The last time I

507
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.280
heard about the London tracks being hoaxed
was a landscaper that said he did it

508
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.280
in a pair of diving flippers.
This was far beyond diving flippers and a

509
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:44.599
landscaper. This was someone setting up
I don't know, three D printing their

510
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:49.199
hand and then then expanding it fifty
percent and making a rubber casting and then

511
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.039
getting hair that looked like sasquatch hair
according to Cindy Doson, and getting a

512
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:57.280
lot of work. Yeah, it
had just been an elaborate hoax to the

513
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:02.679
which I would have been proud to
meet them words and say bravo. And

514
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.119
I still would too with the London
tracks. Whoever, if someone does take

515
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:12.599
credit for that, they I would
like to know who they were and see

516
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.320
how they did it again, because
they went through so much work to pull

517
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:21.239
that off, and they knew so
much about attributes of sasquatch in the same

518
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.199
way that they someone hoaxed any evidence
at the Owl Moon Lab. They know

519
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:31.639
so much about the reported behavior and
including this alba vernic stuff. Now,

520
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:39.039
correct me if I'm wrong. So
the Owl Moon Lab, you no longer

521
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:45.480
have access to that area, correct, We do have access to the area

522
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:49.280
behind it and in front of it. Mostly it's behind it because that's where

523
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.679
the reports come out of the woods
behind it. Because the main property it

524
00:41:54.760 --> 00:42:00.639
was sold correct to nothing, Yeah, for no spooky reason. It was

525
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:07.119
just sold because of a job opportunity
on their wife's end. Do you are

526
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:12.039
you do you still have communication with
that landowner at all? Or pretty much

527
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.199
no communication. The last thing I
heard was Darryl got a phone call or

528
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:23.079
he saw them at Walmart, Okay
where everybody has their bigfoot reports. So

529
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.719
he sees the new homeowners and they're
talking and just saying, hey, I

530
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.679
think we're going to move again,
And not the new owners but Darryl,

531
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.559
and he said, Hey, anything
weird happen at your place? And he

532
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:38.880
said yeah, something like a huge
man and the dead and knight ran across

533
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:45.840
our front. Patiom No, that's
the way they accounted for it. Now

534
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.599
I can tell you that I did
go there. We filmed on site.

535
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.280
They allowed us forty eight hours while
they're on vacation to film Part two,

536
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:58.679
A Flash of Beauty. So when
Flash of Beauty is this documentary that I've

537
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.960
been a part of the last two
years besides this book, and so Part

538
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:07.239
one came out Memorial Day weekend this
year and it's an interview. It's a

539
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:14.199
witness introvert or a witness perspective of
how Sasquatch changed their life. And Part

540
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:19.320
two looks at the paranormal Bigfoot phenomena. So we got permission to stay on

541
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.800
the property for two days in film, and there was some interesting stuff that

542
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.679
I saw myself. Now, we
didn't have anything happened. Large rocks that

543
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:34.280
I remember showing up in places,
showed up in places that they played off.

544
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.000
Bird feeders were taken off of branches
and set weird spots. Those are

545
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:44.119
the small, little nuanced things that
we paid attention to. These little totems

546
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:50.000
or little gifts that were tribute to
some kind and set in weird spots.

547
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.719
And that's really how the al Moon
started for us, is by paying attention

548
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:59.719
to the sounds and the little tiny
things that had happened and saying, oh,

549
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:08.159
that's out of place. Let's definitely
talk about Flash of Beauty one.

550
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:15.639
It's one of the most beautiful documentaries
I've seen in a long time. It's

551
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:20.320
just it's extremely well put together,
thought out. I'm curious, how was

552
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.840
it that you got set up with
being involved with that documentary? To begin

553
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:30.000
with, Ron Moorehead was talking with
Darryl Adams, the property owner, at

554
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:34.960
a private function called Beachfoot. Ron
at the same time was being approached by

555
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.559
this production company about what he knew
about the Sierra sounds, and they said,

556
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.800
hey, I just talked to this
guy named Darryl Adams and he's researching

557
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.599
with a guy that and that's how
it happened. Is really Daryl showing up

558
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:52.960
at Beachfoot. That's awesome. Yeah, oh man, that's it is all

559
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:58.480
about who you know, and of
course Beachfoot helps to well, it's all

560
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:05.000
about showing up. Like people that
don't show up to these things because personal

561
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.599
issues or they don't like to stay
at functions or whatever. You have to

562
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:15.960
go to these places like these conventions
and meet people, because that's how you

563
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:22.599
have the snowball effects start happening and
you increase your game. And so Daryl

564
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:24.280
would show up at these events,
whether without me, or I would show

565
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:30.639
up at some and we would just
always cover each other's back with this story.

566
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.599
Hey, we have these knee impressions, and now there's this weird stuff

567
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:39.039
happening around these knees, it seemed
like. And so the production crew came

568
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:45.280
down and we're no frills. We're
sitting on the tailgate as they had a

569
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.199
camera on us, and Darrel had
already sold the property. And this is

570
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.960
long since the story when its fullest, had really happened, and so we're

571
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.880
retelling this husband and wife team,
Jill and Brett and other cameramen. My

572
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:07.840
and their jaws just hit the ground
and they didn't know how weird the story

573
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.880
was really going to get. And
I said, don't take our word for

574
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:15.960
it. It's right down here,
about a mile away. Do you want

575
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.880
to go see? Wow? And
that's when I just like, you guys

576
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.360
are okay, you can go down
there. And so we just gave them

577
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:30.119
the keys to that kingdom. And
so that's when things start to happen with

578
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.519
them without us, and that's when
I'm super relieved that, you know,

579
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:37.159
we did that because we had over
fifteen or twenty people come to this place

580
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:45.800
and all have a story of one
sort or another to tell. And just

581
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:51.280
to clarify, you were talking earlier
about you're able to be an Al Moon

582
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.519
Lab for a few days to film. That's going to be part two,

583
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:59.599
Yeah, coming out next year Memorial
Memorial Day weekend. Yeah, oh man,

584
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:05.039
which will be I can't not promote
this, Yes, please promote anything

585
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.159
you need to. And the premiere
is going to be in Forks, Washington,

586
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:12.840
home of Vampires and Werewolves, Yes, and there. The premiere will

587
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.719
be on Saturday evening. Doug Hicheck
has signed on to be one of the

588
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:22.639
keynote speakers as well as Cliff Barrickman, Tom Peal, David Ellis, who

589
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.320
helped with a lot of the Al
Moon sounds. I would not be where

590
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.360
I was with the audio clarity without
David Ellis at the Olympic project. Absolutely,

591
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.559
there's going to be some surprises there
as well. So there's going to

592
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.079
be a there's it as far as
I know. And this is the first

593
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:42.760
I brought this up. There's going
to be a debate, hopefully for Friday

594
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.280
Night. It's going to be a
debate between the flesh and blood and the

595
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:52.079
paranormal side. And we're going to
host a fair and balanced conversation between two

596
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:57.199
different hosts, myself and a gal
named Nancy, and we're going to have

597
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.880
a conversation about this on Friday Night. So it should be a lot of

598
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:07.119
fun. And this is all that
is just for the premiere. There's there's

599
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.960
gonna be some other things happening besides
the premiere. This is Part two is

600
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:17.480
so crazy. I've seen who they've
interviewed, and you've never heard of these

601
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:22.159
people, You've never heard their stories
before, and what they've brought to the

602
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.880
table is so crazy that you thought
part one was controversial, Wait to you

603
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.280
see part two good. That's why
I love part one. I was writing

604
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.960
down names left and right because I
was like, yeah, who is this

605
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.480
person? Obviously this person has way
more of a story to tell because it's

606
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.719
one documentary. You can't talk to
one person forever. But some of these

607
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.679
people I've never heard of, and
it's like I got to know more about

608
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.039
this person and their story, Like
it was so good the people that they

609
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.400
had, and so I can't wait
for part two. Then that's yeah.

610
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.760
I wish I could say, who's
promote these people early? Because they deserve

611
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.199
to be promoted right now for their
books that are out, for their information

612
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.599
that's out. But you just can't
do it better. I'm also excited that

613
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:07.159
we were able to talk to them, and especially at Phenomenon, the people

614
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.320
that we got to talk to,
it was like what, yeah, so

615
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:16.159
very cool. Are you still raising
money for this film? Or yeah,

616
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:22.599
yeah there if you go onto a
Flash of Beauty, mainly if you just

617
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.159
go to the Facebook page and look
at Flash of Beauty, there's links on

618
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:31.360
there. There's also an Instagram account. If you go onto Resonance Production Residence

619
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:38.159
Resonance Production Company, there's also a
link to the Flash of Beauty kickstarter or

620
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:45.039
crowdfunding that they're doing. It's such
a good film. Everyone should check out

621
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:51.000
Flash of Beauty. I'm I'm blowing
away. So is there is that a

622
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.360
is there a conference going along with
that premiere? Or literally? Yeah?

623
00:49:54.559 --> 00:50:01.199
Also the second annual Sasquatch Days okay, May okay, and so it's a

624
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:06.840
Friday, Saturday, Sunday gig.
That's pretty there's a Bigfoot store across the

625
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.079
street. Yes, there's always a
lot of twilight stuff happening there. Oh

626
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:15.360
yeah, Forks is now turning into
a Bigfoot twilight. I don't know what

627
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.079
that would be called, like a
bylight or something. Forks is beautiful.

628
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:23.639
I'll share a little bit in to
my personal history, but I'll just leave

629
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:29.719
it at as. We've taken a
trip out to Forks for maybe twilight related

630
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.920
reasons back in the day. But
it's a beautiful area. And I remember

631
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.400
my favorite part, actually, our
favorite part was going in the Hoe rainforest

632
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.119
and how beautiful. And it's that
was before I was into the bigfoot stuff.

633
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:44.920
Now looking at it through the big
foot lens and be like, of

634
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.719
course you've got bigfoot in that area. Yeah, no question, dude,

635
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.920
Yeah crazy. I have a question
for you, And this is gonna So

636
00:50:54.360 --> 00:51:00.760
you mentioned Henry Franzoni earlier. Are
you as big a fan as I am

637
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.840
of his nineteen nineties Bigfoot documentary?
Have you seen this thing? Oh yeah,

638
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.559
holy mackerel. And no one knows
that. No one really knows about

639
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:14.400
Sasquatch Odyssey or it's like it's a
really weird name, but it's on I

640
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.119
saw it on two be and it
is so good. It's just you know,

641
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.400
we're so nineties. Yes, yes, that's a good way to put

642
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.880
it. Yeah, oh man.
Yeah. In fact, I remember rinting

643
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:29.840
it from a place called Flicks and
Picks on the Lamba Street in Eugene,

644
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.800
Oregon. It was in the the
same spot you get erased her head,

645
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.239
and there was Henry's doc and I
was like, what's this. Wow?

646
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:44.440
That really was my in search of
with Leonard Nimoy Wash in the early nineties.

647
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:50.239
Who is this cool ass hippie talking
bigfoot right now? So one,

648
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.440
he's fantastic. I got to talk
to Henry someday just because, like in

649
00:51:54.280 --> 00:52:00.480
Flash of Beauty he's talking about like
how he's like on the in side and

650
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.840
able to talk to the different Native
American tribes and it just is blowing my

651
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.159
mind. But I don't know if
you remember in the documentary. Do you

652
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:15.639
remember the older gentleman who's like living
out in the trailer, Oh, Henry,

653
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.760
Oh, renee to Hendon, No, not renee to No, it's

654
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.000
not renee to Hendon. But it's
like this older gentleman in the Pacific Northwest

655
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:27.239
and he's like out in this logging
area in a weird day. Remember,

656
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.280
I'm gonna have to see it again. It's literally been since the nineties since

657
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:35.000
I've seen it. It's worth another
look because it's just man, these people

658
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.480
all have stories. And you know, did you say that free on TB

659
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:43.480
Yeah, so free on TWOB.
So the thing about Toby is there's someone

660
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:51.920
at tub that loves Bigfoot because there's
at least twenty or thirty Bigfoot movie documentaries

661
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:54.280
and it's all free. And yeah, Tuby's not a sponsor, but check

662
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.320
it out, guys, including Flash
of Beauty. So you want to watch

663
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.239
it for free, bring it around. Is there a way you can watch

664
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:06.599
it where you support the makers as
well? Probably the best way to support

665
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.960
it is to leave a review at
this point, And if you want to

666
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.880
rent it or buy it, you
still can do that on different platforms,

667
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.599
but if you're just dying to see
it and see some of these new faces,

668
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:22.559
because it's important to mix it up
with this conversation, and we have

669
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:27.920
a psychiatrist talk about sasquatching a way
that's never been talked about. From the

670
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:35.639
ramifications, the emotional rampmifications of having
a paranormal. Let's just call it that,

671
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.400
because nobody believes Bigfoot's real except the
people watching this right now. So

672
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.880
the paranormal, right even some of
them don't believe. I'm not going to

673
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:51.840
name games wink. So having an
encounter with something that shouldn't exist has extreme

674
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:59.519
ramifications on emotional distress and how you
compartmentalize the rest of your life, because

675
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:05.440
you know, we always like to
say bigfoot encounters are somewhere between striking the

676
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:12.239
lottery and accidentally seeing a death or
something happen a traumatic experience to where it's

677
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.639
horrific and yet it's the luckiest day
in the world, and somewhere in between.

678
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:21.840
That is your Bigfoot encounter types.
And so the difference is that you

679
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.440
can tell someone that you won the
lottery and that you saw this horrific death,

680
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:31.360
but you can't necessarily tell anybody about
this real event that happened to you.

681
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:37.440
And if you do, the consequences
are totally different. Even from medical

682
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:43.559
science, from health and behavioral science. Looking into this phenomena has consequences of

683
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:50.840
how people judge you and what they
may prescribe to you. In the time

684
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:55.880
since Owl Moon Lab, your book
has come out, have there been other

685
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:01.239
things that have happened to you?
In another way I could ask this question

686
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:06.559
is will there be a part two
to al Moon Lab that comes out eventually?

687
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.760
I will never just write a book
to call it Al moon Lab the

688
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:15.800
Extreme Edition or something. What I
mean, Yeah, I can't even I'd

689
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.800
have to fake something in order to
bring that out. I would love for

690
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:25.559
there to be a sequel to this
based upon where the evidence is going.

691
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:30.239
But honestly, since the pandemic,
things have died down and they're just now

692
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:36.320
starting to come together in a way
that I think is really interesting. So

693
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.119
the unfortunately the last three years have
taken the wind out of the sales as

694
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:43.440
far as research, but I think
the next three years are going to be

695
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:47.119
pretty interesting. I love that.
I totally understand all. That's the thing

696
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:51.840
about that we all were there in
one way or another. But the next

697
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:57.639
year's I think stuff's going to keep
happening. We can't wait to hear all

698
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.960
about it. Tob thanks so much
for being on the podcast. Do you

699
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:06.360
mind before we wrap things up to
your mind sharing how people can best keep

700
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:07.719
up to date with what you're doing
and all that. Oh? Sure,

701
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.639
stuff. I'll be at the Top
and Ish Casino coming up here on the

702
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:16.400
twenty first and twenty second for the
Bob Gimlin Researcher of the Year Award.

703
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:22.440
You're near Yakama, Washington. Flash
of Beauty will be shown and we'll have

704
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.800
a table there and I'll have some
of my personal items for sale there,

705
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.400
including some wood sculptures that I do
that have some interesting qualities to them,

706
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.719
and that you can meet the production
crew that's coming up on the twenty first

707
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.480
and twenty second next week October.
And then of course fast forwarding to Memorial

708
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:45.039
Day weekend, the second annual Sasquatch
Days and Forks Washington. Tickets are on

709
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:50.880
sale now. You can go to
Sasquatch the Legend, and I think tickets

710
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:54.480
are like a lot cheaper at this
point before they go into full ticket price,

711
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:58.599
and so it should be a great
show. Again. That'll be part

712
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:05.599
two coming out the Paranormal Bigfoot,
and beyond that, I think it's really

713
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:10.639
focusing on how the audience receives and
reviews Part two based upon opportunities that will

714
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.519
happen. I know that we're going
to try to be at the Phenomicon in

715
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:20.480
Vernal, Utah, which is right
outside of Skinwalker Ranch territory. It's awesome.

716
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.679
Can I imagine it would be a
good time to be a phenomicon twenty

717
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:28.760
twenty three, so good. Thank
you so much for coming on tonight,

718
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:31.920
Tobe. It's been a great chat
with you, and I think we'll be

719
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.559
checking in with you in the future
as well. Thanks again, Thanks again.

720
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:49.199
Here at big for Society, our
goal is to provide a platform for

721
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:54.159
those that have encountered Bigfoot to share
their encounter in a safe environment. But

722
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:59.679
we need to hear your story.
If you've experienced something that you just can't

723
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:07.000
expect, please send me an email
at Bigfoot soocietyat gmail dot com. Then

724
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.960
we can start the conversation. And
I know a lot of you have not

725
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:16.039
shared your encounter at all. It's
been twenty years and it's time that you

726
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:21.119
get this off your chest and then
you can get some well deserved for rest,

727
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.639
because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through

728
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.920
and I appreciate every one of you
listening