The Kettle Moraine Bigfoot of Wisconsin with Jay Bachochin (Bigfoot Society Classic)

0:00 So I haven't found an exact clone to me to get out there and say a G, why to do it? Yeah, G let's do it, you know right, and and be out there and go for the local. They say, a life is what happens to you on the way that you're trying to get to where you're going. And in this case, life is a small desk and the basement of your old house us and talking into your iPhone with terrible audio quality. It's meeting people along the way to end up becoming a large part of what it is that you're making. So we're going

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2:23 It's a podcast where I talk to people about Bigfoot and all sorts of stuff, but mainly Bigfoot. So I hope you like Bigfoot because here we go now. These Wednesday episodes are throwback episodes to the early beginning days of Bigfoot Society. So the audio quality isn't the best. The interviewing maybe not the best, but you gotta know where you came from to get to where you're going, or something like that. I appreciate your listening. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and if you're not subscribed on YouTube, go over there too. Share this episode with your friends, and I do appreciate you taking your time to listen to this episode of big Foot Society. Now I've taken far too much of your time, so let's get on with the show, all right. Thanks for coming back to the Bigfoot Society podcast. Today we have the privilege of talking to Jay Pechochin from the Kettle Moraine area of Wisconsin. And Jay, thanks for coming on. I'm going to go ahead and have you kind of introduced yourself if you don't mind.

3:29 All right, Hey, thank you very much for having me on your show. Number one. Let's see where to begin. It was back in nineteen sixty seven. No, I'm just joking. I just I dated myself there. But I always call myself just a normal guy, family guy, a working guy. Except with this coronavirus thing going on. It's kind of had me stuck in home because I'm not essential appearently. But you know, through my whole life, I have always had a fascination with the weird, the bizarre and crazy. I mean this even goes back to like creature features back in the seventies, probably a lot way before your time there, but you know, I was into the Godzilla movies, King Kong. You know, when people were out i'd like to say, playing softball and everything, I was downstairs watching Godzilla And that's awesome. Thanks. But you know, I've always been into the weird, So I've always been kind of a strange character. But it wasn't until like nineteen seventy seven where I was living in lived in Hurst, Illinois, and me and my family at night on a Friday night, saw an amazing display of lights in the sky. It was my first UFO encounter. It was all of ours and it was fascinating.

4:50 It wasn't just like a star or like a meteor. This thing was spinning, hovering, not moving, silent, silent. Then it would blink out and it would be across the sky within a second. Just it blew us away. But it stayed in our area, which you know, now I wish I would have had my phone recorded. Yea. Then then then question why were the UFOs around there and hovering around, which is pretty creepy. But my grandpa, who was an early chapter move on in Chicago, Illinois, we had a great bond there and he was I always like to say he was a very early version of a Fox Molder and he was searching for the truth. So throughout my life, even though I've always been into the strange, unusual circumstances out there, you know, or the experiences people do, I was really into at least, you know, when TAPS formed ghost Hunters. That was the only one on the TV at the time, and as much as I was watching, and I was really into it. But after a season or two, I remember going is this real? Or is this just TV? So I formed me and my wife formed a team called the Wisconsin Peranormal Investigators, and we would bring some friends whoever showed interest, and our team got up to about like ten, you know, ten different teammates, and it was a revolving door of people and we would research houses.

6:21 People would request for us to come out and we'd have to try to help debunk it or to see if we can capture an evidence, and yeah, we would do like the Ohio State Reformatory in Ohio. And then at this point it was getting to be around two thousand twelve ish or thirteen, the requests weren't coming in anymore. TV exploded with I like to say, all the supernatural stuff, ghost Adventurers, you've seen them all. They just started saturating the TV. And you know, at that point, I'm like, even the team started getting a little i want to say a little burnt out. I mean, it's just what it was. And I thought, you know what, I live here in Wisconsin, Southeast Wisconsin, about fifteen minute drive from Bray Road. I mean, we've all heard of Bray Road.

7:15 Oh really, that's that's cool, Okay, yeah yeah yeah. So I'm like, since I'm not just in the ghosts, I'm into anything crazy and bizarre, I thought, hey, you know, as a team, let's just go drive down Bray Road. You know, it's a five miles the road. You know, I was gonna say, there's nothing ominous about the road, maybe at night, because you know, you have that uh that that already, that thought that whoa, you know, there's something out here, but just drive. If you're just driving down in farmland, you can't get off to investigate because everybody owns that farmland And okay exactly, I don't want to do that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So we would do that. But then as we just kept driving, we would do like two three am drives around there. We started going further north and we ended up in the Kettle Moraine. And in the Kettle Moraine, there was four of us that one night and we got out and actually walked into the woods at dark. We're pretty good. It was October. It was a nice fall night and we get out there and another thing of beast Bray Road, and all of a sudden we heard something. And I was recording at the time, but it was a cheap digital tape cam quarter and uh it really was. It was horrible with capturing far away sounds. We heard.

8:39 We heard this it almost on like a simia, like a like a monkey. And none of us have heard it. I mean, we're all we don't our later forties, you know, at the time, we're mid forties, and nobody ever heard this. And we kind of boot scooting boogie out of there pretty quick. But then we wanted to like check on the soundboards of all indigenous Wisconsin animals, and we could never find a match. And at that point, I'm like, somebody said Bigfoot, and I'm like, you know, the one thing nobody ever asked me, you know, I believe lockness monster. I could believe in the Jersey Devil, maybe just from fantasy or imagination that I always grew up with. And somebody was saying Bigfoot, and I think at this point, I'm like, there's no such thing as Bigfoot. It's a unicorn, it's a leper. That's where you draw the line, right, I drew the line. I mean, honestly, tell you tell anybody that you saw Bigfoot, and you might as well, you know. I mean, it's an embarrassing It was an embarrassing thing to even utter the word Bigfoot. You're like, dude, you might as well go, you know, finding Easter Buddy or the tooth. Third.

9:56 No, you make yourself look a little crazy. It's true, Yeah, it's true, right exactly, So you know, and I guess at this point, finding Bigfoot was already on, And honestly, I missed the first three seasons I think at this point it because those twenty late twenty thirteen, and I didn't really care to watch Finding Bigfoot because it's like finding a unicorn. It made no sense. I mean, I had no interest in Bigfoot at all. And that's a good sound bite. I did not believe and seeing and seeing. But I know that was probably a longer introduction answer that you wanted. But this is just kind of how it just kind of just started for me. And after hearing those vocals and not getting those out of my head, I had to go back out there. Yeah, that's awesome.

10:52 Yeah, And honestly that's where my journey began right at that point. Very cool. And in case the listeners don't don't know, I'm gonna guess most of them do. Because Jays made an awesome documentary called Finding Jay and it is everywhere. I highly recommend you check it out because, I mean, the camera working it is great. I love the drone footage at the beginnings, very very cool. You kind of uh grazed over just said kettle the rain, but when you actually see it, it's a it's a beautiful forest and just the fact where it's like these these valleys and dips that are super huge made by glaciers, right, like, yeah, it's got to be incredible landscape up there. It's phenomenal. And you know, I want to give kudos to Scott Marcus who his drone because I mean, you know, he he's you know, he films out in Hollywood and all these other places. Okay I didn't know that. Yeah, so he gets these good shots. But we shot that footage in twenty fifteen and it was not meant for any documentary. This really yeah, this was actually he came out one time. I took him out to the Kettle and he wanted to get a good aerial shot of what actually looked like because it's hard to see how like Google maps or something. But you're but you're right that the Kettle Moraine stretches its, you know, over one hundred and fifty miles up through the state of Wisconsin. It's like fifty five thousand square acres of dense woods, like you were saying, the valleys, the ponds, the lakes, and you

12:24 know when we go just into one of our little research areas, you can get turned around so easy in there. Oh yeah, I bet so. You know you think you think about it. But when you do see the footage, it is it's it's immense, you know, it's you know, I always say it's my home away from home. I mean, yeah, you gotta, you gotta check it out, like it's it's really good. And I would say probably the best way is to buy a copy of it. You can also see it on like Amazon Prime. I notice it's on there as well. Probably either way is going to benefit Jay and help his work, which is awesome. I like it because there's a lot of it's like you're following a story when you watch watch this documentary, and there's certain scenes that really stick out to me. And I've watched it about a year ago and I just watched it two days ago to refresh you in my mind.

13:16 But different things. I know is each time. One scene I really liked, if if we could maybe bring you back to that time, is there's a scene with you and gentleman named Sanjay. Yes, and there's a lot of electricity in the air. There's a back and forth. Things are throwing some someone's something's throwing acorns or rocks. Three you through at you through the trees and can you kind of maybe bring the listener to uh, how it felt that day? What was going on? Well, i'll tell you what. Sanjay single great friend of mine. Now would you believe that footage was the first time I ever met him. We were like, we were supposed to go. We were supposed to go on and afternoon hike knee Sanjay and Linda Godfrey. That's funny. Yeah, it's funny. You'd never know because it's like you guys were super connected. And I was like, right, you gotta be like, you know, bud buddies or something. Yeah, that's so weird. Yeah, yeah, now it gets crazy, But that's because Sandi is a great guy, and every researcher and does that, and I, you know, I feel like I always give everybody that benefit.

14:26 And we went out there again Linda couldn't make it, but we were walking out there and I started recording on that digital digital tape cam quarter. You know, I've updated with body cams and everything else since then twenty fourteen, but that's what I had then. Actually, it was the only unit I had that could record in an infrared. So if we were going out there later and it got darker, at least I have infrared. I did have another HD camera, But so I let this thing just run. It was on and I'm holding this big, kind of small boxy thing, and you know, I'm recording what we do here, and as we're walking, I'm not really looking at what I'm recording. And then send you would look at something and I spot down. And I remember at one point it was really intriguing when I went back through all the tape is he said, it seems like there's a bunch of acorns dropping, and I I think I just kind of agreed with him. And that's not like me. I don't really Somebody says, you smell that as a ghost Suposter reference, but you know, I like, did you hear that? And I'd be like no, I mean, I'd never want to add fuel to the fire, cold to the fire, and but I did when I was recording it. So I don't know why I didn't never know I heard him. It was early on in her hike. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from

15:56 our sponsors. As were walking around. If you remember, I don't know what I caught, but there was some sort of black anomaly on the left side of the trail. Yeah, yeah, that kind of again, we don't know what it was, you know, I always I say in the film a black arts and artifact, a video artiffact. It's just it is one of the most bizarre things because I didn't really pay attention to that after watching it the first time in fourteen. I just went to the rock parts, and so I'm looking at it and I'm like, what the hell is it? You know, and whatever it is, it seems like it's keeping pace and moving further away from us as we're walking when it shouldn't even as an optical illusion. And the cool thing is I actually stop and look in that area. I don't know why because I didn't know what it was there, but if you remember, I kind of looked at that area and yeah, exactly, so that I wanted to put in that part of that film because it really is important for what's about to happen next. You know, we're getting ready, it's starting to get dusk, so it's gonna look not dark, but you know, it's not as light as it was, so it's starting to go down a little bit, and we're walking and all of a sudden, sure as anything, something drops by my feet and it sounds like a rock. And I mean, I heard it and I record it, but I'm like, you heard me. I'm like, I hope that was it was that an acle? Was that a rock? And Sandy's like,

17:26 it sounded like a rock, but you can't be sure, right, it could have been a heavier nut of an acorn or something dropping because we didn't hear anything go through the trees. Just landed by my feet again. We're on the trails a little away from the trees. It's still it didn't compute. It was just but as we continue to walk here it comes another one. But this time you could actually hear it being thrown through the trees. I always say, I always say, if you listen to an acorn, they're gonna fall. They're gonna fall vertically exactly right. They might hit a branch or something like that on the way down. This was going through the leaves, so it was sometime where you could tell, yeah, you can hear go. It would land by our feet again as we're moving.

18:11 So this happens several more times, and I you know, at this point, I was like, who, who's throwing rocks? I didn't say big Foot was throwing rocks. I really didn't really think about that. I'm just thinking what is that? And then they stopped and I'm like, huh, let's try an experiment. I'm a hunt the truth kind of guy. So I pick up a rock and throw it out to where I'm thinking the rocks are coming from. And as soon as I do that, a crap little rocks get whipped from a far distance because you can hear the trajectory of it just hitting the leaves, just getting a lot, a lot, a lot of landing by my feet. Again, Yeah, that's wild. It's pretty long. So you know, i'd say, if you're a big foot believer, you would say it was a big foot. If you're a skeptic, you would say, like one of the guys on there, it was a hunter. Somebody's trying to spook you or whatever. And some of that doesn't make sense to me because, number one, even if they're trying to spook me, the terrain off those paths, they're crazy there. It's not a like a flat bridge that you're up looking looking down and you can kind of lead them and then throw it and then be accurate. No, they're they're throwing through trees. My son actually said how about the accuracy on that?

19:29 If you think about it, if we were out in the woods and we tried to throw a rock at the path, what's the chances we're gonna every tree, every you know, brier, every everything to get right by your feet every time? Or right wild? That's wild? Right, Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, And then I was gonna say one more quick thing. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, But you did see that branch number when I stop, and that branch lowers. Yeah, that's a wild part. That is that is a wild part. Again. Here's the thing I focus so much when I researched all my tape back in twenty fourteen and always looked at just the rock throws. And as I was making the documentary to get the rock throws, is when I found that branch moved and that is weird. Again, bigfoot or not. Something would have had to cause it to pull down totally. And I always say, hey, if it was a small animal or a squirrel, you know, even if a raccoon was coming out that time, as they move, you would see the branch as it goes right, you kind of see the bouncing of the branch. This thing was literally like this and just went it was held it was like and just held down. So I don't know. I mean, there's there's so many really crazy stories or I should say interesting not crazy to say that, do you know what I mean? But I would stay interesting

21:00 the one that man, I have two pads in my mind. But I really wanted to address this. So you have in your documentary, you have your your young kids with you, and there's a part that I wanted to talk with you directly about. Is you're you're in the Kettle Moraine with Blake and McKenna. Yes, ye, yeah, okay, And there's one part where your kids actually see something and you're like your dad sends kicks in and you're like, it's time to get them out. Yeah, talk to me maybe, like what kind of stuff was going through your head there? That's been as a dad. I would be like, wow, it's go time. Yeah it is, And you know what, and that's always been one of my things. You've always you've heard of David Platty's missing four one one.

21:47 Yeah, definitely don't know what it is, but yeah, you know, going out in the woods. We're gonna go for a forty five minute hike in the circle a different area than the other place. But as the cold fry flies too far and I took him out. And I always practice safety first when I'm out there. That's my number one rule of hiking. Safety first. If it doesn't feel right, leave if if your hiking partner is freaked out, you know what, it's best not to do this because if anything was to happen, this guy doesn't have your back. And so when I'm out with my kids, I always say no more than fifteen feet ahead of me. I always trail. I never yeah, I never lead because I want to see what's going on in front of me. And during that hike, I've I had a weird feeling. And I know feelings really aren't evidence at all, but I can tell you I've been in this area hundreds of times, and I could be there at eleven twelve o'clock at night and not feel a thing more like sitting at home in my that's how comfortable I am. This was about three three pm in the afternoon in December three thirty because the son's you know, you could just you know those winter months that that's what's going on. And I was I was having these weird feelings, and I really didn't want my kids to really know that they know what

23:22 I do when I go out there, and in fact, they like to do it too, but they don't sit there and dad, look at big Foot. Dad, look at big Foot Dad. They don't do that. And this was about maybe, I don't know, maybe thirty minutes into the hike is when we start turning the corner to start heading around back to the truck, because it was going to be a small hike. Kids were young and Blake. The look on his face is nothing compared to what the video was. I try to record testimonial right off the bat, and he started telling me. He's like, there's something that just moved. I mean, his face was priceless of believability, and I'm like, hold on, hold on, keep that thought. Man. I wish I would have just let him talk, but I got my phone out, hit video go, and then he starts to explain it. But his first initial reaction was he looked frightened, you know, And it was one of those things where he said he saw something move off to the left. And as he's talking and I'm recording him, I remember panning up with my camera and I'm also, you know, or not my camera my phone, and I can I can actually hold it up and look with my own eyes. When i'm looking, I'm not just looking to the phone. And I see this dark patch out there, it does catch my eye, but it didn't. It didn't feel right.

24:48 I didn't. It's like I didn't feel like, you know, petrified or scared. It was more a warning, a red flag of get out of there. There's something I did really explain in there, as I was saying when I was filming it, I said I didn't want to keep my camera on it because I felt if I did, I was doing something wrong to actually say that. And that's the part where I'm like, oh, wow, that's that's very interesting. Actually when you say that, that makes sense. Yeah. Well, and here's the thing, because a lot of people I've been criticized for, why don't you just go out there if that, if that was a big foot wide you know, until you're in this situation. I know, I had my two kids there, and I'm not going to play action action Jackson Jackson exactly doing that. But I didn't even want to stick around there to clarify what I meant by that. Was the reason why I didn't want to film it is, I said, can you imagine going into a bad part of the city, let me say Chicago, Milwaukee, Forever, New York, and it's late at night, there's only two three cars parked out there. You're going to your card to get in your car. A kiddie corner from you is looks like two guys are trying to crank open the door with a tool. Now can you imagine picking the video camera up and facing it towards them? Yeah, not a good idea.

26:15 Not a good idea. Why and how come? Because you're asking for trill? What would because what would happen if they saw you? It didn't want to take you out exactly. So therefore that's really what I meant when I said, I saw this shady we figure out there. Yeah, I didn't want. I did not want. I did not want to keep my camera on it. It was weird. And you know what, you can always say Monday morning quarterback or rookie mistake or you know which, whichever. All I know is that my kids were my top priority, and I felt a j yeah, and I felt it was just time for them to go. And I know Blake was kind of telling me what he saw, and my kind of chimes in, and I saw the same type of big foot, he pointing to a others. She's only what I've at five at the time, six What he saw? What was it? It was brown and it had big feet. Okay, so you know, that's the cute part of it, being that young, you know, and growing up in this.

27:15 But my son, you know, he you know, later on, even though I think it was even a year later, year and a half later, after that incident happened in twenty seventeen, and he said, Dad, I don't know if I really saw it, you know, And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, I he kept feeling kind of bad. He goes, mate, I don't know, but I didn't really show him that footage of what was blown up what it is, And when he saw it, it was like his memory came back. Wow. And I guess I'd like to share that story because it's hard for me to remember the rock incident unless I watch it so long ago. We're humans that it's there. It's a wow factor. You try to process it. It's gone, just like my the sighting I had, you know, I'm like that evidence. Yeah, yeah, I wish I could go back there and sit and watch me watch it so I could watch it longer, you know.

28:15 And so but that's the reason why I like to tell the Blake story is because you forget, you forget about these things. You you question yourself and though you should, it was something pretty amazing. That's awesome. And I'll just say so those two scenes, let's say that's just a tip of the iceberg from finding Jay. There's many many more scenes. So you know, definitely everyone listening to this watching this check it out. After I watched that, I was like, okay, so what is he doing now? After this? So I kind of went on a Jay deep dive here and I found your YouTube channel, found your instagram. There's one thing I noticed on the Instagram I wanted to bring out. And I didn't see the date on this. I think it's pretty recent. I'll let you you know, fill that in. But you had put a audio recorder on a tree on the woods and let it play and then you get and retrieved it. Have you gone over that audio yet or you know I did. And again, the reason why I don't post it is if I don't have any news.

29:23 I don't want to. I don't want to just post something saying, hey guess what I found nothing, But in a way I should, But you know, I'm not. I'm not posting for that popularity, that comment that like and how many friends or whatever. I'm doing it for the truth, And if I don't have anything to really reveal, I feel why I really do it. But the one thing I did learn about this audio recorder is while it has enough memory to record up to thirty five hours, that's kind of an on off, on off, on off usage. So if you're you know, the battery I have should be able to last, you know, weeks, right, and that way you could be recording for one hour here, half hour here, turn it off, record it, you know, dictation or whatever. I just I put a fresh battery and it hit go. It records eight hours when it's active. So even though I have thirty five hours of space to put on there, I can only record up to eight hours before the unit shuts off. There's interesting. Yeah, there's nothing I can do about, but it's something that I've learned. So okay, when I do this again, they've closed down all state parks and everything, and with Scott so up there you well I'm in Central Iowa. We kind of have a little bit more Well we're self quarantining. But yeah, you guys up there pretty much locked down, right, Yeah, we're I mean we're locked down. And Okay, it's funny the memes that come out on Facebook. Is it shows somebody like on his empty lake on a boat

30:55 with a sunset the fishing pull in his son and it said this is not safe. It shows Walmart with a bunch of people saying this is safe. That's funny. That's funny. But yeah, it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Hopefully people in the future are really confused about what we're talking about. That would be awesome to know that we've gotten to the point that we're confused. But if you're confused, we're talking about the COVID nineteen of twenty twenty, so look that up. Yeah, actually think about it, right, Actually, if you think about it, this podcast is making history. We're actually doing this. So if anybody finds this digital footage in the future, i'd say, will be your future self. Yeah, you know, my son being an old grandpa. Yeah, but they really kind of shut it down here right now, so I haven't. I haven't been back out with that audio device. Like I said, it records up to eight hours, so next time, because what I really want to capture is the overnight stuff. So so if you think about it, i'd have to get out there more. And I've been out there as late as eleven twelve one, you know, but the people that I hike with or either are too cold to mosquito e too tired. So I haven't found an exact clone in me to to get out there and say, hey, Jay want to do it.

32:09 Yeah, Jay, let's do it, you know, and and be out there and go for the long home. But yeah, it's a next time I go out there, I'll have to put the recorder out, fresh batteries, fresh everything, probably around eleven o'clock and get the overnight because you know, you know, the kind of Moraine, you know, you think, as vast as it is, it's still kind of surrounded by communities all the way around, you know, Okay, and then it gets open and then there's more population. It goes like that all the way through the state of Wisconsin. So vocalizations, especially during the day or ten o'clock eleven o'clock hours. Might if they're this loud, could they be heard from locals?

32:52 Absolutely? And I really wish I could just knock on everyone's door and be like, hey, you guys live up here? Do you guys ever hear like a weird howl? You know, and just try to get people to get people that to answer that. However, what happens at two, three, four in the morning wind most of the human population is sleeping? Can they converse at that time? Damn it? I want to find that answer, you know, I want that. So that last one only recorded until about I think I put it on around five. I got done around midnight and nothing, you know, yeah, you know you kind of hear some wind below. That's the other thing is if there's no wind with this particular mic or this particular unit, really picks that up. So it's like, do I get Now I'm thinking, do I have to get you know, extensive extended microphone with a windshield on it to play out there? But I'm like, you saw what I put it in. It was camo. Yeah, yeah, it services. But then here's the other thing, Just like ghost hunting, it's one of the things that I would never do to go back if I was going to ghost hunt, to do it that way.

34:13 People go out to a house by request or by pay and play or whatever they're going to do to investigate, and they do it for a night, and I know there's a lot of equipment they have to check through. It's not just one audio device the whole night. There's generally you know, four or five of those, and there's static cameras everywhere. You have to you have to look at every one of those who you do a ghost investigation in real time. You can't skip forward, you can't be distracted and petting the dog or whatever. You have to focus on your and that takes a long long time. However, even though it takes a long time, one night in a house does not make it haunted or not. You know, you have to be today, yeah, and get out there over and over and over again that revisit it in six months or a year, get out or the next weekend. You know, if you could stay there for a week, you know, to get the people to move out, saying hey, well we'll invest to get your house for a week. But anyway, but but that but that's how the woods is. Oh yeah, no, that's true. Same thing. So that recording that I caught nothing doesn't make me feel like man, you know, only recorded to this time and there was nothing. Try it again, Try it again, try it again and again, right again, right again. What is let's say, thinking into the future, what's coming down the road for Jay? What are your what are your plans goals? I know you've been involved with some pretty cool stuff recently, didn't you. Uh you helped interview Ron moorehead Yeah, a podcast,

35:45 which is that's pretty awesome. It was, yeah, because definitely he was definitely uh yeah, him and doctor Jeff Meldrum. I gonna see those two guys are just I mean there might there might go to guys in the big football instead of being a TV personality. They're through good guys, got it? Yeah? Cool? So what's on the line for me? I am going to release Finding Jay Lost and Found this summer. What that is it's it's bonus material. It's going to be extended interviews with Randy, So you'll get to see more, yeah, of what happened when he got back to the station and police officer Gentleman. That documentary. Yeah, that's a great story. If you're listening to you gotta check it out. I mean, just for that, that's fantastic. It was. It's that. That's why I want to put it. That's why I put him at the end, and at the end of the credit said everyone's listed and Randy Messimore at the end. Okay, yeah, very cool, so very intense. Yeah, but anyway, I'm going to release that this summer. It won't be as long as the two hour documentary. Everyone says it was too long, but you know what, before it hit the cutting room floor, it was longer than Avengers End Game. I had it. I had to get it cut down to under two hours, and I couldn't do it. Oh man, is what it is. So Finding Jay Lost and Found will be primarily some behind the scenes Okay, you know stuff that's awesome. Great, that's kind of breaking news there right, Yes, I love it. Yeah cool,

37:19 We'll be definitely looking forward to that is the best way to follow your exploits and everything. It looks like Instagram is kind of you're you're maybe focusing on that or what would you say, Like, if there's someone that is really into this interview, they go watch Finding Jay and they want to keep up to date with what you're doing. Uh do you recommend? You know what? I Yeah, I told him this Instagram that's kind of an addiction to post right and for me, I don't get down there to follow a bunch of people. Should worry about a bunch of people following me. I'm putting that out there, and some of it's you know, meme type stuff for whatever. Yeah, but to get the actual is going to my website jabachochen dot com and uh, there I'm gonna it's actually a new, updated, fresh website, great navigation. I'm throwing a lot more pictures in the gallery.

38:17 Uh, It's basically it's a different host service than what I've been using, So I've kind of revamped the whole website. Everybody always knew me as JF WPI WPP. I am always gonna But the thing is, even though that is what me and my wife found and it is our baby, it's our umbrella company or umbrella organization, will always keep that. It's going to be a secondary linked to anybody that has my old website, it'll take it right to the new one. I mean, but honestly, people know me as me now, you know, they don't say jf WPI. They just say my name, and which is great. I think that's the way should be. Well it is. And my wife's always like, don't let your head get too big, you know that doors And I'm like, I try to stay as as as humble as I can. And I don't know if a man could be humbled by saying I'm humble, but it's the truth.

39:13 It's like, I like my my my simple little corner here in southeast Wisconsin with my family, you know, going to church and loving our family, and you know, so that's really what matters to me. And it's not even so much looking out trying to prove Bigfoot exists. You know, one of my one of my biggest statements and I didn't say this in Finding Jay, but after that kind of came out, it was more, you know, people kept saying, Jay, it was this hunter throwing rocks or what you saw was this what you said? Whatever? Okay, whatever, whether you believe or not, just go out and discover for yourself. That's it. Yeah, I'm not going to see here and try to convince you anymore of you know, what's what's real, what's not to take my word on it or don't and it doesn't matter. I'm not going to try to convince you. I'm not gonna, you know, shove it down your throat that it's big foot. Personally, I think bigfoot one hundred percent exists out there.

40:10 So good, I'm still with you. I'm with you on that. Yeah good. So yeah, I'm still researching. But it's been about a month since I've been out, and that's okay. It's okay because everyone's like, everybody knows me that you used to go out every week, every week, every week, you know, except deer hunting, And they're like, well, how's it been going? And I said, it's slow. But you know what this whole researching, investigating for myself is, it's a marathon. It's not a sprint, that's right, It's a marathon. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. So yeah, yeah, and eventually we'll get past the COVID nineteen and it'll be back time to research again. Yeah again, thank you for coming on the podcast tonight. It's awesome to get your actual thoughts about and things from the documentary, and my listeners will definitely be checking out your website at japetochan dot com and we'll be looking forward to uh Finding Jay. The Lass tapes coming out this uh this summer, which is super super exciting. It's gonna be close. But thank you very much for having me on my show. But if you want to find me, there are links to Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook on my website. My thing is that whenever I post, I'm posting on like four or five different things that once it's getting tiring, it I'm just gonna try to focus on the website.

41:36 But if you happen to be on Facebook and you know I have pages personal finding Jay, I've got to I've got too many. I've got too many, man, gotcha? Yeah? Yeah, Well thanks again Jay. Uh, Well, we'll need to cut it off now because I'm the cheap zoom users. So we're at forty minutes, right, But hopefully, well we'll have to do a follow up maybe in a few months or year or something like that. I'll hit you up and we'll see what we can find out. After Lost Tapes come out, we'll chat about that. I think that'd be good. Definitely, thanks and I truly appreciate the opportunity. Nice to chat with you. Jay, have a good one too. Here at Bigfoot Society article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening