The Kettle Moraine Bigfoot of Wisconsin with Jay Bachochin (Bigfoot Society Classic)

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So I haven't found an exact clone
to me to get out there and say

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a G, why to do it? Yeah, G let's do it,

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you know right, and and be
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They say, a life is what
happens to you on the way that you're

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trying to get to where you're going. And in this case, life is

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a small desk and the basement of
your old house us and talking into your

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iPhone with terrible audio quality. It's
meeting people along the way to end up

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becoming a large part of what it
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back to episode number one, and
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friends for the first time in this
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on with the show, all right. Thanks for coming back to the Bigfoot

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Society podcast. Today we have the
privilege of talking to Jay Pechochin from the

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Kettle Moraine area of Wisconsin. And
Jay, thanks for coming on. I'm

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going to go ahead and have you
kind of introduced yourself if you don't mind.

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All right, Hey, thank you
very much for having me on your

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show. Number one. Let's see
where to begin. It was back in

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nineteen sixty seven. No, I'm
just joking. I just I dated myself

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there. But I always call myself
just a normal guy, family guy,

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a working guy. Except with this
coronavirus thing going on. It's kind of

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had me stuck in home because I'm
not essential appearently. But you know,

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through my whole life, I have
always had a fascination with the weird,

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the bizarre and crazy. I mean
this even goes back to like creature features

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back in the seventies, probably a
lot way before your time there, but

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you know, I was into the
Godzilla movies, King Kong. You know,

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when people were out i'd like to
say, playing softball and everything,

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I was downstairs watching Godzilla And that's
awesome. Thanks. But you know,

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I've always been into the weird,
So I've always been kind of a strange

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character. But it wasn't until like
nineteen seventy seven where I was living in

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lived in Hurst, Illinois, and
me and my family at night on a

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Friday night, saw an amazing display
of lights in the sky. It was

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my first UFO encounter. It was
all of ours and it was fascinating.

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It wasn't just like a star or
like a meteor. This thing was spinning,

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hovering, not moving, silent,
silent. Then it would blink out

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and it would be across the sky
within a second. Just it blew us

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away. But it stayed in our
area, which you know, now I

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wish I would have had my phone
recorded. Yea. Then then then question

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why were the UFOs around there and
hovering around, which is pretty creepy.

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But my grandpa, who was an
early chapter move on in Chicago, Illinois,

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we had a great bond there and
he was I always like to say

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he was a very early version of
a Fox Molder and he was searching for

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the truth. So throughout my life, even though I've always been into the

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strange, unusual circumstances out there,
you know, or the experiences people do,

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I was really into at least,
you know, when TAPS formed ghost

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Hunters. That was the only one
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as much as I was watching,
and I was really into it. But

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after a season or two, I
remember going is this real? Or is

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this just TV? So I formed
me and my wife formed a team called

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the Wisconsin Peranormal Investigators, and we
would bring some friends whoever showed interest,

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and our team got up to about
like ten, you know, ten different

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teammates, and it was a revolving
door of people and we would research houses.

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People would request for us to come
out and we'd have to try to

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help debunk it or to see if
we can capture an evidence, and yeah,

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we would do like the Ohio State
Reformatory in Ohio. And then at

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this point it was getting to be
around two thousand twelve ish or thirteen,

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the requests weren't coming in anymore.
TV exploded with I like to say,

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all the supernatural stuff, ghost Adventurers, you've seen them all. They just

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started saturating the TV. And you
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even the team started getting a little
i want to say a little burnt

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out. I mean, it's just
what it was. And I thought,

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you know what, I live here
in Wisconsin, Southeast Wisconsin, about fifteen

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minute drive from Bray Road. I
mean, we've all heard of Bray Road.

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Oh really, that's that's cool,
Okay, yeah yeah yeah. So

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I'm like, since I'm not just
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and bizarre, I thought, hey, you know, as a team,

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let's just go drive down Bray Road. You know, it's a five miles

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the road. You know, I
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the road, maybe at night,
because you know, you have that uh

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that that already, that thought that
whoa, you know, there's something out

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here, but just drive. If
you're just driving down in farmland, you

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can't get off to investigate because everybody
owns that farmland And okay exactly, I

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don't want to do that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So

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we would do that. But then
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do like two three am drives around
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we ended up in the Kettle Moraine. And in the Kettle Moraine, there

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was four of us that one night
and we got out and actually walked into

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the woods at dark. We're pretty
good. It was October. It was

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a nice fall night and we get
out there and another thing of beast Bray

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Road, and all of a sudden
we heard something. And I was recording

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at the time, but it was
a cheap digital tape cam quarter and uh

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it really was. It was horrible
with capturing far away sounds. We heard.

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We heard this it almost on like
a simia, like a like a

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monkey. And none of us have
heard it. I mean, we're all

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we don't our later forties, you
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forties, and nobody ever heard this. And we kind of boot scooting boogie

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out of there pretty quick. But
then we wanted to like check on the

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soundboards of all indigenous Wisconsin animals,
and we could never find a match.

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And at that point, I'm like, somebody said Bigfoot, and I'm like,

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you know, the one thing nobody
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I believe lockness monster. I could
believe in the Jersey Devil, maybe just

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from fantasy or imagination that I always
grew up with. And somebody was saying

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Bigfoot, and I think at this
point, I'm like, there's no such

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thing as Bigfoot. It's a unicorn, it's a leper. That's where you

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draw the line, right, I
drew the line. I mean, honestly,

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tell you tell anybody that you saw
Bigfoot, and you might as well,

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you know. I mean, it's
an embarrassing It was an embarrassing thing

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to even utter the word Bigfoot.
You're like, dude, you might as

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well go, you know, finding
Easter Buddy or the tooth. Third.

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No, you make yourself look a
little crazy. It's true, Yeah,

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it's true, right exactly, So
you know, and I guess at this

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point, finding Bigfoot was already on, And honestly, I missed the first

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three seasons I think at this point
it because those twenty late twenty thirteen,

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and I didn't really care to watch
Finding Bigfoot because it's like finding a unicorn.

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It made no sense. I mean, I had no interest in Bigfoot

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at all. And that's a good
sound bite. I did not believe and

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seeing and seeing. But I know
that was probably a longer introduction answer that

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you wanted. But this is just
kind of how it just kind of just

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started for me. And after hearing
those vocals and not getting those out of

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my head, I had to go
back out there. Yeah, that's awesome.

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Yeah, And honestly that's where my
journey began right at that point.

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Very cool. And in case the
listeners don't don't know, I'm gonna guess

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most of them do. Because Jays
made an awesome documentary called Finding Jay and

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it is everywhere. I highly recommend
you check it out because, I mean,

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the camera working it is great.
I love the drone footage at the

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beginnings, very very cool. You
kind of uh grazed over just said kettle

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the rain, but when you actually
see it, it's a it's a beautiful

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forest and just the fact where it's
like these these valleys and dips that are

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super huge made by glaciers, right, like, yeah, it's got to

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be incredible landscape up there. It's
phenomenal. And you know, I want

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to give kudos to Scott Marcus who
his drone because I mean, you know,

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he he's you know, he films
out in Hollywood and all these other

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places. Okay I didn't know that. Yeah, so he gets these good

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shots. But we shot that footage
in twenty fifteen and it was not meant

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for any documentary. This really yeah, this was actually he came out one

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time. I took him out to
the Kettle and he wanted to get a

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good aerial shot of what actually looked
like because it's hard to see how like

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Google maps or something. But you're
but you're right that the Kettle Moraine stretches

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its, you know, over one
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of Wisconsin. It's like fifty five
thousand square acres of dense woods, like

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you were saying, the valleys,
the ponds, the lakes, and you

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know when we go just into one
of our little research areas, you can

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get turned around so easy in there. Oh yeah, I bet so.

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You know you think you think about
it. But when you do see the

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footage, it is it's it's immense, you know, it's you know,

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I always say it's my home away
from home. I mean, yeah,

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you gotta, you gotta check it
out, like it's it's really good.

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And I would say probably the best
way is to buy a copy of it.

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You can also see it on like
Amazon Prime. I notice it's on

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there as well. Probably either way
is going to benefit Jay and help his

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work, which is awesome. I
like it because there's a lot of it's

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like you're following a story when you
watch watch this documentary, and there's certain

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scenes that really stick out to me. And I've watched it about a year

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ago and I just watched it two
days ago to refresh you in my mind.

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But different things. I know is
each time. One scene I really

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liked, if if we could maybe
bring you back to that time, is

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there's a scene with you and gentleman
named Sanjay. Yes, and there's a

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lot of electricity in the air.
There's a back and forth. Things are

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throwing some someone's something's throwing acorns or
rocks. Three you through at you through

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the trees and can you kind of
maybe bring the listener to uh, how

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it felt that day? What was
going on? Well, i'll tell you

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what. Sanjay single great friend of
mine. Now would you believe that footage

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was the first time I ever met
him. We were like, we were

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supposed to go. We were supposed
to go on and afternoon hike knee Sanjay

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and Linda Godfrey. That's funny.
Yeah, it's funny. You'd never know

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because it's like you guys were super
connected. And I was like, right,

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you gotta be like, you know, bud buddies or something. Yeah,

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that's so weird. Yeah, yeah, now it gets crazy, But

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that's because Sandi is a great guy, and every researcher and does that,

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and I, you know, I
feel like I always give everybody that benefit.

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And we went out there again Linda
couldn't make it, but we were

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walking out there and I started recording
on that digital digital tape cam quarter.

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You know, I've updated with body
cams and everything else since then twenty fourteen,

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but that's what I had then.
Actually, it was the only unit

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I had that could record in an
infrared. So if we were going out

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there later and it got darker,
at least I have infrared. I did

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have another HD camera, But so
I let this thing just run. It

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was on and I'm holding this big, kind of small boxy thing, and

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you know, I'm recording what we
do here, and as we're walking,

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I'm not really looking at what I'm
recording. And then send you would look

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at something and I spot down.
And I remember at one point it was

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really intriguing when I went back through
all the tape is he said, it

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seems like there's a bunch of acorns
dropping, and I I think I just

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kind of agreed with him. And
that's not like me. I don't really

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Somebody says, you smell that as
a ghost Suposter reference, but you know,

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I like, did you hear that? And I'd be like no,

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I mean, I'd never want to
add fuel to the fire, cold to

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the fire, and but I did
when I was recording it. So I

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don't know why I didn't never know
I heard him. It was early on

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in her hike. We'll be back
with more Bigfoot Society after these words from

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our sponsors. As were walking around. If you remember, I don't know

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what I caught, but there was
some sort of black anomaly on the left

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side of the trail. Yeah,
yeah, that kind of again, we

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don't know what it was, you
know, I always I say in the

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film a black arts and artifact,
a video artiffact. It's just it is

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one of the most bizarre things because
I didn't really pay attention to that after

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watching it the first time in fourteen. I just went to the rock parts,

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and so I'm looking at it and
I'm like, what the hell is

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it? You know, and whatever
it is, it seems like it's keeping

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pace and moving further away from us
as we're walking when it shouldn't even as

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an optical illusion. And the cool
thing is I actually stop and look in

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that area. I don't know why
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but if you remember, I kind
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exactly, so that I wanted to
put in that part of that film

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because it really is important for what's
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we're getting ready, it's starting to
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dark, but you know, it's
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it's starting to go down a little
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a sudden, sure as anything,
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like a rock. And I mean, I heard it and I record it,

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but I'm like, you heard me. I'm like, I hope that

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was it was that an acle?
Was that a rock? And Sandy's like,

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it sounded like a rock, but
you can't be sure, right,

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it could have been a heavier nut
of an acorn or something dropping because we

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didn't hear anything go through the trees. Just landed by my feet again.

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We're on the trails a little away
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compute. It was just but as
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one. But this time you could
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I always say, I always say, if you listen to an acorn,

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they're gonna fall. They're gonna fall
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a branch or something like that on
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the leaves, so it was sometime
where you could tell, yeah, you

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can hear go. It would land
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I was like, who, who's
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Foot was throwing rocks. I really
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thinking what is that? And then
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let's try an experiment. I'm a
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I pick up a rock and throw
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are coming from. And as soon
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rocks get whipped from a far distance
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just hitting the leaves, just getting
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of landing by my feet. Again, Yeah, that's wild. It's pretty

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long. So you know, i'd
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you would say it was a big
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you would say, like one of
the guys on there, it was a

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hunter. Somebody's trying to spook you
or whatever. And some of that doesn't

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make sense to me because, number
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me, the terrain off those paths, they're crazy there. It's not a

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like a flat bridge that you're up
looking looking down and you can kind of

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lead them and then throw it and
then be accurate. No, they're they're

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throwing through trees. My son actually
said how about the accuracy on that?

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If you think about it, if
we were out in the woods and we

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tried to throw a rock at the
path, what's the chances we're gonna every

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tree, every you know, brier, every everything to get right by your

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feet every time? Or right wild? That's wild? Right, Yeah,

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that's a good point. Yeah,
And then I was gonna say one more

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quick thing. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, But you did see

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that branch number when I stop,
and that branch lowers. Yeah, that's

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a wild part. That is that
is a wild part. Again. Here's

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the thing I focus so much when
I researched all my tape back in twenty

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fourteen and always looked at just the
rock throws. And as I was making

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the documentary to get the rock throws, is when I found that branch moved

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and that is weird. Again,
bigfoot or not. Something would have had

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to cause it to pull down totally. And I always say, hey,

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if it was a small animal or
a squirrel, you know, even if

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a raccoon was coming out that time, as they move, you would see

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the branch as it goes right,
you kind of see the bouncing of the

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branch. This thing was literally like
this and just went it was held it

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was like and just held down.
So I don't know. I mean,

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there's there's so many really crazy stories
or I should say interesting not crazy to

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say that, do you know what
I mean? But I would stay interesting

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the one that man, I have
two pads in my mind. But I

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really wanted to address this. So
you have in your documentary, you have

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your your young kids with you,
and there's a part that I wanted to

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talk with you directly about. Is
you're you're in the Kettle Moraine with Blake

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and McKenna. Yes, ye,
yeah, okay, And there's one part

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where your kids actually see something and
you're like your dad sends kicks in and

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you're like, it's time to get
them out. Yeah, talk to me

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maybe, like what kind of stuff
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been as a dad. I would
be like, wow, it's go time.

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what, and that's always been one

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of my things. You've always you've
heard of David Platty's missing four one one.

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going out in the woods. We're
gonna go for a forty five minute

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hike in the circle a different area
than the other place. But as the

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cold fry flies too far and I
took him out. And I always practice

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safety first when I'm out there.
That's my number one rule of hiking.

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Safety first. If it doesn't feel
right, leave if if your hiking partner

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is freaked out, you know what, it's best not to do this because

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if anything was to happen, this
guy doesn't have your back. And so

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when I'm out with my kids,
I always say no more than fifteen feet

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ahead of me. I always trail. I never yeah, I never lead

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because I want to see what's going
on in front of me. And during

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that hike, I've I had a
weird feeling. And I know feelings really

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aren't evidence at all, but I
can tell you I've been in this area

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hundreds of times, and I could
be there at eleven twelve o'clock at night

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and not feel a thing more like
sitting at home in my that's how comfortable

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I am. This was about three
three pm in the afternoon in December three

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thirty because the son's you know,
you could just you know those winter months

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that that's what's going on. And
I was I was having these weird feelings,

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and I really didn't want my kids
to really know that they know what

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I do when I go out there, and in fact, they like to

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do it too, but they don't
sit there and dad, look at big

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Foot. Dad, look at big
Foot Dad. They don't do that.

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And this was about maybe, I
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hike is when we start turning the
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truck, because it was going to
be a small hike. Kids were young

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and Blake. The look on his
face is nothing compared to what the video

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was. I try to record testimonial
right off the bat, and he started

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telling me. He's like, there's
something that just moved. I mean,

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his face was priceless of believability,
and I'm like, hold on, hold

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on, keep that thought. Man. I wish I would have just let

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him talk, but I got my
phone out, hit video go, and

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then he starts to explain it.
But his first initial reaction was he looked

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frightened, you know, And it
was one of those things where he said

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he saw something move off to the
left. And as he's talking and I'm

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recording him, I remember panning up
with my camera and I'm also, you

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know, or not my camera my
phone, and I can I can actually

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hold it up and look with my
own eyes. When i'm looking, I'm

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not just looking to the phone.
And I see this dark patch out there,

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it does catch my eye, but
it didn't. It didn't feel right.

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I didn't. It's like I didn't
feel like, you know, petrified

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or scared. It was more a
warning, a red flag of get out

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of there. There's something I did
really explain in there, as I was

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saying when I was filming it,
I said I didn't want to keep my

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camera on it because I felt if
I did, I was doing something wrong

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to actually say that. And that's
the part where I'm like, oh,

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wow, that's that's very interesting.
Actually when you say that, that makes

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sense. Yeah. Well, and
here's the thing, because a lot of

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people I've been criticized for, why
don't you just go out there if that,

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if that was a big foot wide
you know, until you're in this

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situation. I know, I had
my two kids there, and I'm not

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going to play action action Jackson Jackson
exactly doing that. But I didn't even

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want to stick around there to clarify
what I meant by that. Was the

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reason why I didn't want to film
it is, I said, can you

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imagine going into a bad part of
the city, let me say Chicago,

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Milwaukee, Forever, New York,
and it's late at night, there's only

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two three cars parked out there.
You're going to your card to get in

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your car. A kiddie corner from
you is looks like two guys are trying

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to crank open the door with a
tool. Now can you imagine picking the

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video camera up and facing it towards
them? Yeah, not a good idea.

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Not a good idea. Why and
how come? Because you're asking for

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trill? What would because what would
happen if they saw you? It didn't

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want to take you out exactly.
So therefore that's really what I meant when

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I said, I saw this shady
we figure out there. Yeah, I

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didn't want. I did not want. I did not want to keep my

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camera on it. It was weird. And you know what, you can

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always say Monday morning quarterback or rookie
mistake or you know which, whichever.

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All I know is that my kids
were my top priority, and I felt

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a j yeah, and I felt
it was just time for them to go.

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telling me what he saw, and

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my kind of chimes in, and
I saw the same type of big foot,

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he pointing to a others. She's
only what I've at five at the

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time, six What he saw?
What was it? It was brown and

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it had big feet. Okay,
so you know, that's the cute part

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of it, being that young,
you know, and growing up in this.

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But my son, you know,
he you know, later on,

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even though I think it was even
a year later, year and a half

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later, after that incident happened in
twenty seventeen, and he said, Dad,

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I don't know if I really saw
it, you know, And I'm

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like, what do you mean?
He goes, I he kept feeling kind

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of bad. He goes, mate, I don't know, but I didn't

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really show him that footage of what
was blown up what it is, And

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when he saw it, it was
like his memory came back. Wow.

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And I guess I'd like to share
that story because it's hard for me to

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remember the rock incident unless I watch
it so long ago. We're humans that

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it's there. It's a wow factor. You try to process it. It's

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gone, just like my the sighting
I had, you know, I'm like

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that evidence. Yeah, yeah,
I wish I could go back there and

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sit and watch me watch it so
I could watch it longer, you know.

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And so but that's the reason why
I like to tell the Blake story

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is because you forget, you forget
about these things. You you question yourself

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and though you should, it was
something pretty amazing. That's awesome. And

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I'll just say so those two scenes, let's say that's just a tip of

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the iceberg from finding Jay. There's
many many more scenes. So you know,

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definitely everyone listening to this watching this
check it out. After I watched

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that, I was like, okay, so what is he doing now?

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After this? So I kind of
went on a Jay deep dive here and

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I found your YouTube channel, found
your instagram. There's one thing I noticed

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on the Instagram I wanted to bring
out. And I didn't see the date

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on this. I think it's pretty
recent. I'll let you you know,

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fill that in. But you had
put a audio recorder on a tree on

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the woods and let it play and
then you get and retrieved it. Have

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you gone over that audio yet or
you know I did. And again,

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the reason why I don't post it
is if I don't have any news.

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I don't want to. I don't
want to just post something saying, hey

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guess what I found nothing, But
in a way I should, But you

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know, I'm not. I'm not
posting for that popularity, that comment that

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like and how many friends or whatever. I'm doing it for the truth,

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And if I don't have anything to
really reveal, I feel why I really

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do it. But the one thing
I did learn about this audio recorder is

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while it has enough memory to record
up to thirty five hours, that's kind

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of an on off, on off, on off usage. So if you're

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you know, the battery I have
should be able to last, you know,

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weeks, right, and that way
you could be recording for one hour

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here, half hour here, turn
it off, record it, you know,

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dictation or whatever. I just I
put a fresh battery and it hit

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go. It records eight hours when
it's active. So even though I have

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thirty five hours of space to put
on there, I can only record up

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to eight hours before the unit shuts
off. There's interesting. Yeah, there's

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nothing I can do about, but
it's something that I've learned. So okay,

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when I do this again, they've
closed down all state parks and everything,

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and with Scott so up there you
well I'm in Central Iowa. We

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kind of have a little bit more
Well we're self quarantining. But yeah,

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you guys up there pretty much locked
down, right, Yeah, we're I

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mean we're locked down. And Okay, it's funny the memes that come out

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on Facebook. Is it shows somebody
like on his empty lake on a boat

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with a sunset the fishing pull in
his son and it said this is not

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safe. It shows Walmart with a
bunch of people saying this is safe.

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That's funny. That's funny. But
yeah, it doesn't mean it doesn't make

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sense. Hopefully people in the future
are really confused about what we're talking about.

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That would be awesome to know that
we've gotten to the point that we're

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confused. But if you're confused,
we're talking about the COVID nineteen of twenty

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twenty, so look that up.
Yeah, actually think about it, right,

407
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.039
Actually, if you think about it, this podcast is making history.

408
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.680
We're actually doing this. So if
anybody finds this digital footage in the future,

409
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.640
i'd say, will be your future
self. Yeah, you know,

410
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:36.559
my son being an old grandpa.
Yeah, but they really kind of shut

411
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.279
it down here right now, so
I haven't. I haven't been back out

412
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.759
with that audio device. Like I
said, it records up to eight hours,

413
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.720
so next time, because what I
really want to capture is the overnight

414
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.640
stuff. So so if you think
about it, i'd have to get out

415
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.400
there more. And I've been out
there as late as eleven twelve one,

416
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.519
you know, but the people that
I hike with or either are too cold

417
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:06.880
to mosquito e too tired. So
I haven't found an exact clone in me

418
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.039
to to get out there and say, hey, Jay want to do it.

419
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:12.279
Yeah, Jay, let's do it, you know, and and be

420
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.720
out there and go for the long
home. But yeah, it's a next

421
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.119
time I go out there, I'll
have to put the recorder out, fresh

422
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:24.759
batteries, fresh everything, probably around
eleven o'clock and get the overnight because you

423
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.119
know, you know, the kind
of Moraine, you know, you think,

424
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.480
as vast as it is, it's
still kind of surrounded by communities all

425
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.799
the way around, you know,
Okay, and then it gets open and

426
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.920
then there's more population. It goes
like that all the way through the state

427
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:46.039
of Wisconsin. So vocalizations, especially
during the day or ten o'clock eleven o'clock

428
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:52.400
hours. Might if they're this loud, could they be heard from locals?

429
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:58.000
Absolutely? And I really wish I
could just knock on everyone's door and be

430
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.240
like, hey, you guys live
up here? Do you guys ever hear

431
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.279
like a weird howl? You know, and just try to get people to

432
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:10.559
get people that to answer that.
However, what happens at two, three,

433
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.680
four in the morning wind most of
the human population is sleeping? Can

434
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.480
they converse at that time? Damn
it? I want to find that answer,

435
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.799
you know, I want that.
So that last one only recorded until

436
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.240
about I think I put it on
around five. I got done around midnight

437
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:34.720
and nothing, you know, yeah, you know you kind of hear some

438
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:39.480
wind below. That's the other thing
is if there's no wind with this particular

439
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:44.519
mic or this particular unit, really
picks that up. So it's like,

440
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.759
do I get Now I'm thinking,
do I have to get you know,

441
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:52.720
extensive extended microphone with a windshield on
it to play out there? But I'm

442
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.319
like, you saw what I put
it in. It was camo. Yeah,

443
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:05.799
yeah, it services. But then
here's the other thing, Just like

444
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.920
ghost hunting, it's one of the
things that I would never do to go

445
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.679
back if I was going to ghost
hunt, to do it that way.

446
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.320
People go out to a house by
request or by pay and play or whatever

447
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.679
they're going to do to investigate,
and they do it for a night,

448
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.880
and I know there's a lot of
equipment they have to check through. It's

449
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.079
not just one audio device the whole
night. There's generally you know, four

450
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.760
or five of those, and there's
static cameras everywhere. You have to you

451
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.320
have to look at every one of
those who you do a ghost investigation in

452
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.360
real time. You can't skip forward, you can't be distracted and petting the

453
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.840
dog or whatever. You have to
focus on your and that takes a long

454
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.199
long time. However, even though
it takes a long time, one night

455
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:52.039
in a house does not make it
haunted or not. You know, you

456
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.719
have to be today, yeah,
and get out there over and over and

457
00:34:54.880 --> 00:35:00.159
over again that revisit it in six
months or a year, get out or

458
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.440
the next weekend. You know,
if you could stay there for a week,

459
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:05.920
you know, to get the people
to move out, saying hey,

460
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.719
well we'll invest to get your house
for a week. But anyway, but

461
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.840
but that but that's how the woods
is. Oh yeah, no, that's

462
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.920
true. Same thing. So that
recording that I caught nothing doesn't make me

463
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:21.440
feel like man, you know,
only recorded to this time and there was

464
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.119
nothing. Try it again, Try
it again, try it again and again,

465
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:30.920
right again, right again. What
is let's say, thinking into the

466
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:35.320
future, what's coming down the road
for Jay? What are your what are

467
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.280
your plans goals? I know you've
been involved with some pretty cool stuff recently,

468
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:45.039
didn't you. Uh you helped interview
Ron moorehead Yeah, a podcast,

469
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.320
which is that's pretty awesome. It
was, yeah, because definitely he was

470
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.559
definitely uh yeah, him and doctor
Jeff Meldrum. I gonna see those two

471
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.920
guys are just I mean there might
there might go to guys in the big

472
00:35:54.960 --> 00:36:00.159
football instead of being a TV personality. They're through good guys, got it?

473
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:06.800
Yeah? Cool? So what's on
the line for me? I am

474
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:13.079
going to release Finding Jay Lost and
Found this summer. What that is it's

475
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.159
it's bonus material. It's going to
be extended interviews with Randy, So you'll

476
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.920
get to see more, yeah,
of what happened when he got back to

477
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.400
the station and police officer Gentleman.
That documentary. Yeah, that's a great

478
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.360
story. If you're listening to you
gotta check it out. I mean,

479
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.360
just for that, that's fantastic.
It was. It's that. That's why

480
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.519
I want to put it. That's
why I put him at the end,

481
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.519
and at the end of the credit
said everyone's listed and Randy Messimore at the

482
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:44.039
end. Okay, yeah, very
cool, so very intense. Yeah,

483
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.079
but anyway, I'm going to release
that this summer. It won't be as

484
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:50.719
long as the two hour documentary.
Everyone says it was too long, but

485
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.119
you know what, before it hit
the cutting room floor, it was longer

486
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.840
than Avengers End Game. I had
it. I had to get it cut

487
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.039
down to under two hours, and
I couldn't do it. Oh man,

488
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:07.000
is what it is. So Finding
Jay Lost and Found will be primarily some

489
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.519
behind the scenes Okay, you know
stuff that's awesome. Great, that's kind

490
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.440
of breaking news there right, Yes, I love it. Yeah cool,

491
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:24.840
We'll be definitely looking forward to that
is the best way to follow your exploits

492
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.800
and everything. It looks like Instagram
is kind of you're you're maybe focusing on

493
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:36.480
that or what would you say,
Like, if there's someone that is really

494
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.639
into this interview, they go watch
Finding Jay and they want to keep up

495
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:42.880
to date with what you're doing.
Uh do you recommend? You know what?

496
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:47.000
I Yeah, I told him this
Instagram that's kind of an addiction to

497
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.199
post right and for me, I
don't get down there to follow a bunch

498
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.960
of people. Should worry about a
bunch of people following me. I'm putting

499
00:37:54.039 --> 00:38:00.199
that out there, and some of
it's you know, meme type stuff for

500
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:06.360
whatever. Yeah, but to get
the actual is going to my website jabachochen

501
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.679
dot com and uh, there I'm
gonna it's actually a new, updated,

502
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:16.639
fresh website, great navigation. I'm
throwing a lot more pictures in the gallery.

503
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.679
Uh, It's basically it's a different
host service than what I've been using,

504
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:28.159
So I've kind of revamped the whole
website. Everybody always knew me as

505
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:34.079
JF WPI WPP. I am always
gonna But the thing is, even though

506
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.960
that is what me and my wife
found and it is our baby, it's

507
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:44.000
our umbrella company or umbrella organization,
will always keep that. It's going to

508
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.760
be a secondary linked to anybody that
has my old website, it'll take it

509
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.119
right to the new one. I
mean, but honestly, people know me

510
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.480
as me now, you know,
they don't say jf WPI. They just

511
00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:00.320
say my name, and which is
great. I think that's the way should

512
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:01.880
be. Well it is. And
my wife's always like, don't let your

513
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.599
head get too big, you know
that doors And I'm like, I try

514
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.000
to stay as as as humble as
I can. And I don't know if

515
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.639
a man could be humbled by saying
I'm humble, but it's the truth.

516
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.760
It's like, I like my my
my simple little corner here in southeast Wisconsin

517
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:23.000
with my family, you know,
going to church and loving our family,

518
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.000
and you know, so that's really
what matters to me. And it's not

519
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:34.119
even so much looking out trying to
prove Bigfoot exists. You know, one

520
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.079
of my one of my biggest statements
and I didn't say this in Finding Jay,

521
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.559
but after that kind of came out, it was more, you know,

522
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.400
people kept saying, Jay, it
was this hunter throwing rocks or what

523
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.039
you saw was this what you said? Whatever? Okay, whatever, whether

524
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.199
you believe or not, just go
out and discover for yourself. That's it.

525
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.159
Yeah, I'm not going to see
here and try to convince you anymore

526
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.559
of you know, what's what's real, what's not to take my word on

527
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:01.360
it or don't and it doesn't matter. I'm not going to try to convince

528
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.679
you. I'm not gonna, you
know, shove it down your throat that

529
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:10.079
it's big foot. Personally, I
think bigfoot one hundred percent exists out there.

530
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.199
So good, I'm still with you. I'm with you on that.

531
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:21.639
Yeah good. So yeah, I'm
still researching. But it's been about a

532
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.960
month since I've been out, and
that's okay. It's okay because everyone's like,

533
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.119
everybody knows me that you used to
go out every week, every week,

534
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:30.760
every week, you know, except
deer hunting, And they're like,

535
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.760
well, how's it been going?
And I said, it's slow. But

536
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:39.199
you know what this whole researching,
investigating for myself is, it's a marathon.

537
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:42.840
It's not a sprint, that's right, It's a marathon. Yeah.

538
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.280
Yeah, that's it. So yeah, yeah, and eventually we'll get past

539
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:52.360
the COVID nineteen and it'll be back
time to research again. Yeah again,

540
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:58.639
thank you for coming on the podcast
tonight. It's awesome to get your actual

541
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:04.639
thoughts about and things from the documentary, and my listeners will definitely be checking

542
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:09.239
out your website at japetochan dot com
and we'll be looking forward to uh Finding

543
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:14.480
Jay. The Lass tapes coming out
this uh this summer, which is super

544
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.239
super exciting. It's gonna be close. But thank you very much for having

545
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.719
me on my show. But if
you want to find me, there are

546
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:27.400
links to Instagram, YouTube, and
Facebook on my website. My thing is

547
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.159
that whenever I post, I'm posting
on like four or five different things that

548
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:36.039
once it's getting tiring, it I'm
just gonna try to focus on the website.

549
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.559
But if you happen to be on
Facebook and you know I have pages

550
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.679
personal finding Jay, I've got to
I've got too many. I've got too

551
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.119
many, man, gotcha? Yeah? Yeah, Well thanks again Jay.

552
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.280
Uh, Well, we'll need to
cut it off now because I'm the cheap

553
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.519
zoom users. So we're at forty
minutes, right, But hopefully, well

554
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.079
we'll have to do a follow up
maybe in a few months or year or

555
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.719
something like that. I'll hit you
up and we'll see what we can find

556
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.559
out. After Lost Tapes come out, we'll chat about that. I think

557
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.679
that'd be good. Definitely, thanks
and I truly appreciate the opportunity. Nice

558
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.599
to chat with you. Jay,
have a good one too. Here at

559
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:21.440
Bigfoot Society article is to provide a
platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to

560
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.599
share their encounter in a safe and
respected environment. But we need to hear

561
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:31.320
your story. If you've experienced something
that you just can't explain, please send

562
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:37.199
me an email at Bigfoot Society at
gmail dot com. Then we can start

563
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:43.719
the conversation. I know a lot
of you have not shared your encounter at

564
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.480
all. It's been twenty years and
it's time that you get this off your

565
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.320
chest and then you can get some
well deserved for rest, because I know

566
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:57.280
you haven't been sleeping. I understand
what you're going through, and I appreciate

567
00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:58.480
every one of you listening