Sept. 14, 2024

The Lost Island of The Sasquatch!

Join us as we sit down with Sean, a Tacoma, Washington resident who reached out through the YouTube comments to share his spine-tingling encounters with Bigfoot. From childhood sightings of mysterious swimming Sasquatch in the San Juan Islands to a...

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Season 1

Join us as we sit down with Sean, a Tacoma, Washington resident who reached out through the YouTube comments to share his spine-tingling encounters with Bigfoot. From childhood sightings of mysterious swimming Sasquatch in the San Juan Islands to a chilling high school encounter where he felt an unseen presence pacing him, Sean's stories will leave you awestruck. Sean also recounts a terrifying camping trip to Cooper Lake where bizarre noises and an eerie feeling in the woods forced him and his friends to confront the unknown. Don't miss his detailed accounts of these incredible encounters and his family history steeped in clairvoyance, shedding light on the mysteries that continue to haunt him.

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Forward slash the Big for Society, and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Sean today. Shawn's an

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individual that reached out through the YouTube comments and he

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is based out there in Tacoma, Washington. How's it going today, Sean.

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I'm doing well. Thanks for talking to me.

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Awesome. I've been excited to talk to You've definitely had

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some really interesting thing You've kind of shared a little

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bit through email, and I've been excited to get to

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this point. So yeah, Sean, I'm going to go ahead

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and pass things over to you, share what you need

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to to set the stage of how you got into

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these things you've experienced.

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Okay, I guess I'll just start at the beginning, which

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is something that I sort of blocked my whole life,

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you know, little glimpses here and there. I would think

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back to it and not understand it fully, and it

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just kind of all came to a head watching a

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show on TV with my daughter about the Alaskan Ottoman.

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So as soon as we turned that show on, the

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Ottoman thing just popped out. Because I went on this

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sailing trip with my family and we sailed the San

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Juans every summer of my childhood. Uh, just kind of

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explored and found islands and you know, it was it

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was really fun. But we saw what we thought were

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giant sea otters. So we kind of like my dad

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was my dad was we were in a sailboat, so

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he was pointing at him, going, look, look, sea otters,

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and we sort of started sailing towards them, and we

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got closer and they were just huge. They were they

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were too big, but they we still thought they were otters.

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But then they climbed out of the water on all fours,

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like onto this beach, and it's kind of scampered up

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this beach and then this trail, and we kind of

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followed him with our eyes up this trail, and when

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they got up to the top of this little hill,

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they were clearing up there. You could see kind of

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dappled sunshine and uh, you can see it was a clearing,

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and they stood up when they got up there, and

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then we realized there was a bunch more standing around

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in a circle. And so we were still, you know,

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getting closer and closer on the sailboat. And the one

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I noticed the most was the one that was standing

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with his back to us sort of on this cliff

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the inside of the clearing, but out on the edge

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the outer circle, and it was like the cliff and

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then the water and then us, and so he was

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slightly above us that his arms were crossed like in

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front of him, and you could see like the side

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of his face and his body. His body was covered

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in black hair. All of them had like just super

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black jet black hair, and so he didn't seem to

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react to us at all. But once we all kind

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of saw what we were looking at and realized that

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these weren't otters. They were some kind of people, you could.

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My dad got kind of scared and he slammed the

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tiller over to the other side, and the sailboat started

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going away, and that's kind of when I kind of

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got freaked out, and you know, I noticed my dad

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was scared, so we just sailed away. None of us

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said a word. None of us talked about it. None

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of us. It was me and my mom and my

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dad and my sister was below deck doing something, but

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never talked about it. We were just kind of like

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shrugged our shoulders, like what the heck just happened, and

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carried on with our voyage, and then ended up somewhere

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getting distracted doing other things with other people. And we

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never talked about it again. But I always remembered it

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sort of in the back of my mind. I'd think

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back and I remember him standing there with his arms crossed.

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I remember his face. He looked like a Native American,

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sort of caveman Native American, but he wasn't, you know,

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they weren't. They weren't. They weren't regular people, and they

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weren't otters. So that was that was basically what happened,

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and not much else to.

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It, Sean, that's that is very incredible. Remind me again

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how old you were at the time of this.

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Second I was ten, because I remember I had my

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Ninja Turtle's toys, so I think it would have been

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around ninety one or ninety two. I was born in

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eighty one, so ten eleven years old something like that.

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So do you do you create what you saw was

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a Kushtka then, or or otterman or what do you

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think it might have been actually a sasquatch?

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I don't think, I don't. It wasn't an otter. You know,

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there was no tail, there was no there was no

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indication that it was an otder in the face, nothing

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like that. You know, the kryshta ka stuff I've seen.

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It does look like an otter, you know, which you know,

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to me could just be a closest approximation by someone

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who would see it, you know, just like what we

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thought it was. We thought it was an otter, we

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you know. And they when they got on all fours

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and walked up the beach, you could tell their legs

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were too long, too lanky, their arms and legs so

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so while they were scurrying up the thing we we

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all were like, well, that's not an otter, you know

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what kind of and then they go ahead. Well then

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they just scampered up that trail and stood up. So

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it got weirder and weirder. What was your question?

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They did they have a certain way of swimming when

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they were in the water.

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They were just swimming like all you could see was

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their head and their back, which was why we thought

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they were otters, you know, and possibly otters lay on

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their back and they're you know, using their hands on

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their chest or whatever. From a distance, we didn't know

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we that was the shape. That was the basic shape

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of it was ahead with a body. Mh. You know,

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when we got closer you realized it was a head

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and a back and not a belly and not an

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oter face.

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And then and.

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Then they got up. Yeah, and then they just got

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they got on, you know, on the beach. When they

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got to the beach, they crawled up like like on

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all fours and and their legs and arms didn't move

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as much as you'd think. It was more of their

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hands and feet.

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That's really interesting. Can you can you explain a little

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bit more what you mean by it was more their.

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Feet, like like the movement seemed to be more just

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in the wrists and the actual foot like, like the

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arms and legs were relatively still. They didn't swing back

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and forth or anything like that. You know, it was

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like they were pretending to be animals. It's sort of

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the kind of what I got from it at ten

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years old, not knowing what the heck I was looking at.

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You know, I was like, I really, honestly, I remember

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that feeling of thinking, they're trying to trick us. And

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then you know, they got up the trail to the

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top of the hill and stood up because they were

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with all their friends at that point, I don't think

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they needed to care anymore, you know.

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When they were when they were standing and you saw

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the one that was on the cliff, and then there

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are the other in the group. How far away from

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you in the sailboat were these guys?

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So I figure, and I've told this story before, and

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I the only thing I can figures. We got close

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enough where you could throw a line to the beach,

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so I'd say, no more than like forty feet thirty

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forty feet, So it was close. We were so close

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you could you could see the ground underneath our Keel, Okay.

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So you know, I know, as my dad was getting

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closer to the island to see what we were looking at,

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I know he was keeping an eye on the on

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the ground too, So we didn't run aground because that's

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how close we were.

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For those that aren't familiar with this area, can you

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kind of describe a little bit, like exactly where the

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San Juan Islands are, how far away from civilization we're talking, yeah,

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to get to them, things like that.

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Yeah, So this would have been up Okay, so Washington.

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You know, how's that big peninsula that sticks up and

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then the Puget Sound, you know, cuts down into the

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heart of the state. So all these islands are scattered

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inside that sound. And we would have been up towards

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Victoria Island or Vancouver Island because we were headed to Victoria.

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So it was just a super tiny forested island up

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there by Canada. We were probably still in American waters,

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but at least god nautical miles i'd say, or I'll say,

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as the crow flies thirty forty miles from any civilized town.

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Interest super remote, you know, super remote, And it was.

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It was a tiny island. I mean, it looks like

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something that you'd see on the screensaver or something, you know, wow,

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And it was a super bright, sunshiny day that you

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could see through the trees. You know, you could see

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all these things perfectly clear.

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Is it an unnamed island or I.

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Would assume it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that

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that trip we found an island that had our same

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last name. So we we like to go exploring around

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those those islands. That's what my dad was, a sailor man,

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you know, when we were gone most of the summer

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doing that.

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That's very cool. But I mean, like what a cool

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way for a family to get out and do stuff.

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I did want to ask a few more questions about

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what you remember from that day. So do you remember

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anything any thing about the head shape or if there

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were ears on the creatures or anything like that.

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Yeah. So, so their hair was like a like a

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slick back kind of almost like a mullet. It's like

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poofy and tall on top, but kind of like a

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pompadoor mullet. It was weird. I don't know if it's

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because they were wet or or if that's just what

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it seemed like. They had the same hair, all of them.

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Like shoulder like it would come down long hair from

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the top of the head down slicked back down to

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the shoulders, but then it kind of like curled out

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just a little bit, you know. But then their their

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whole body was the same color, but just shorter hair,

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and their face was like a Native American caveman dude.

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Like it looked like I've seen so many pictures of

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like the Neanderthal type. It's some one of those stages

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in between or whatever they say, gotcha, That's what it

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most looked like. Was was like a caveman Indian.

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Would you say that the group was all males or

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did you think it was they were all, you know,

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younger adolescents, females, males like.

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So, okay, I kind of think the two the two

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that were in the water, I think they were younger

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because they weren't as big, and they kind of got

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spooked by us and scampered up the beach, So it

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kind of seemed like they were playing in the water

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or something. And these other ones were standing around a circle.

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I think they were. The one that was standing with

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his back door was was a was a man. He

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was a man. I didn't get a very close look

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at any of the other ones other than just you know,

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their basic shape and color. Their faces all seemed similar.

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But and I never saw the faces of the two

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that got out and scampered up. They were kind of

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in the back. The trailhead kind of came out behind

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this group and there was like a couple standing there

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while they walked into this. It was like they were

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having a council meeting or something.

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Man, very very interesting. And so did you guys have

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to drive up to where there's like looks like twenty

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goes up to Alexander Beach in that area and then

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there's you might have been able to sail out from there.

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I know this is a lot to ask as you

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were ten years old.

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No, we we had our boat in gig Harbor. I

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grew up in gig Harbor.

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Yep.

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So we just had our boat down in a marina

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and we would sail from gig Harbor all the way

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up there.

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Oh wow, that's a long trip.

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Yeah, yeah it was. It is awesome though. Man, there's

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so many things happened on those trips, like Wales Orca's

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swimming with us, like a foot from our feet, you know,

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while we're keeling over. You're basically standing on the side

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of the bench on the other side of the boat,

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you know, like you're keeled over so far that the

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boat sideways and the orcas were just right below my

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feet looking at me with their eyes, like making eye contact.

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Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

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It was crazy, crazy stuff happened on that trip.

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Another interesting thing I've noticed because I look at a

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map while I'm doing these interviews, is I noticed that

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the Lummy Reservation is actually kind of goes out in

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the same area. It's probably more north of the San

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Juan Islands a little bit, but I know that there's

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a ton of bigfoot interaction on that reservation over the years. Yeah,

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kind of interesting.

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Yeah, it's pretty wild out there. You know, it's we

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rarely ever ran into any other people. It was. It

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was rare to you know, we'd get to like some

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you know, Friday Harbor would be our first stop, and

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then we'd you know, we'd kind of make our way

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up through the islands, and then once you got into

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the straits, it was you feel like you're in the

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ocean and then you know there's little islands that are

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around and stuff like that, but yeah, it's I'd assume

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that there'd be mostly native you know land out there.

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Absolutely. So your dad takes the sailboat, you guys get

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out of there, and then you don't really talk about

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what happened. It sounds like.

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Yeah, no, yeah no. And I don't know whether it

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was like a defense mechanism within us or if it

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was because my dad didn't want us to be scared.

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We just kind of never talked about it. And I

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know we all looked at each other. I remember making

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an eye contact, you know, with my parents, and then I,

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you know, my dad's passed away. But I talked to

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my mom about this. I you know, talked about this

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with someone else too, and I had talked to her

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and she took a day for her to remember, and

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she called me the next day was like, dude, I

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totally remember that, Like what it's crazy?

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Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Did she remember how she had

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reacted to her or did she have any thing?

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Yeah, she remembered everything. It like slams back to you,

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you know, like it was right like when I was

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watching that thing with my daughter, it all slammed into

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my memory and I was like, oh my goodness, I've

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seen those things. Wow.

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Mm, that's pretty that's pretty incredible. What a way to

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start out at the age of ten. There's a question.

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This is a weird question. It's just it's in my

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mind because just because you mentioned you mentioned Ninja turtles. Yeah,

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so you're you're we're about the same age. You're into

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the Saturday morning cartoons back in the day, early eighties.

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Did what you saw remind you of anything that you

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had seen in a cartoon or anything like that.

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Hmm. It is a good question, it's I don't think so.

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I think it was so strange and so foreign that

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I just assumed it was. I couldn't assume anything. I

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had no idea what what I saw, and neither did

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my parents, so there was no no box to put

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it in, no explanation for it. But I'll tell you

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that I did develop an interest in sasquatch or mysteries

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of any kind after that. For sure. I knew there

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was other stuff out there that was not acknowledged by

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the by the public. So yeah, you kind of gave

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me sort of the ability to critically think. I think

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almost you.

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Know, So, how did that start manifesting itself? Like as

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you got into elementary school and started to go up

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through the years.

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I mean, just the interest in the subject just you know,

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it opened my eyes and definitely definitely made me sort

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of more inquisitive as far as not just dismissing things,

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because I dismissed that, you know, and I don't even

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know if this was all conscious. It was just that's

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the kind of person I became. I became someone that

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wasn't that hard to believe that some of these things

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might be happening. And you know, not until recently did

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I find all the podcasts and everything and start putting

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two and two together. You know, it's it's crazy. So

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it's crazy. What what you deny yourself just because you

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can't put it in a box.

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Yes, that that rings true so so much. So you

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went for a good maybe thirty thirty five years just

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kind of internally analyzing everything, and then you realized, oh, hey,

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there's lots of other people talking about this stuff.

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That's exactly right.

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Oh man.

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Well yeah, and you know, like I said, I I can't.

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I kind of always been I don't just want to

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say things that freak people out, you know, and so

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I do internalize. Yeah, that is right on.

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Yeah, absolutely, So you have that that first first interaction

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at age ten, How long was it then until something

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else happened that was out of the ordinary.

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Something else happened when I was in high school. I

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was probably a freshman in high school. And that's one

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of the weird ones. And I was interviewed about this,

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and I've withheld stuff, which because it just sounds so weird,

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you know, it just sounds so like unbelievable that I

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don't know, I don't know. I'll just just tell you

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what happened.

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Yeah, And don't feel like you need to withhold anything either.

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That does not bother me. You know, you can share

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everything you remember, and yeah, just feel free to get

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it all out there.

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It's so simple and so weird. But it's just it

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just happened, and I can't I can't deny it anymore

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because I've heard it from so many other people on

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the podcasts, and you know, I've heard the same stuff

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so many times that I just can't deny it anymore.

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So I'll just tell you what I think it was.

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And so anyway, I was out with a bunch of friends.

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It was like Friday night, probably one or two o'clock

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in the morning, and we were out at this place

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called the Cliff in Gig Harbor. It was just an

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undeveloped piece of piece of land that was right on

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the water, so it had this blunt cliff and we

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used to go up there and hang out. We were,

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you know, teenagers, And so that night I got into

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like an argument with my friend and I decided I

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was going to walk home. I was only a mile

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or so from my house. So I start walking and

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back then. You know, it's pretty wooded out there in

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the harbor, and it was definitely definitely dense forest everywhere,

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you know. And so I'm walking down this road and

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right beside me is the woods, and there's trails through

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these woods that are they're like almost like tunnels. We

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used to call them the bear trails, but the tunnels

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were like pretty big you could walk up right. And

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I'm walking down the road and I got that feeling,

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you know, like the hair stands up, and I hear

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footsteps exactly the same as mine coming from the woods.

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And every time I'd stop, like I'd look over and

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the footsteps would stop, and then I kept going and

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it was like the third time I stopped, and I

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turned my head so the wind wouldn't be blowing in

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my ears, and I could really hear what was going on.

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And it took two more steps towards me, like I

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could tell it was leaving the trail and going onto

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like the just where they're sticks and leaves and everything

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to crunch, and it took two steps closer, and it

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put like it put a picture in my head, and

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it was clear as day, like I could see exactly

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what was walking towards me, and it was like a

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picture that was just him standing there on a sunny day,

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and it wasn't sunny. It was dark, you know. It

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was the weirdest thing. But he was straight up sassquatching.

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And as soon as he took those two steps towards

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me and I saw that picture, I bolted. I just

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turned around and bolted and ran back to my friends.

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Like after walking for like ten fifteen minutes, I got

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back to them in minutes, like seconds. I ran faster

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than I've ever ran. And it was weird because it

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was like an absolute certainty what I saw, and it

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was just in my head. I didn't see it in

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real life. I just heard it. And that's it. That's

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that's what kind of like made me really want to

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like start reading books and watching shows about it.

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You know that would uh? I mean, man, that that

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would do it. This was was this late nineties, this

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has happened.

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Yeah, this would have been like ninety six.

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Okay, yeah, the photo you saw in your mind? Is

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it similar to what you saw when you were in

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the sailboat?

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No? Okay, oops, well I'm I'll walk away from this

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long boat? Yeah, I nope, it was. It was a

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completely different It looked like Patty oh, like male versions.

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I guess I would say, was that kind It was

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totally different from what I saw. It didn't jog my

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memory of what I saw it. It was seriously like

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a completely separate entity.

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And just a visual There were no there was no

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auditory things, no no voices you heard at the same time.

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And the steps okay, just the steps and something definitely

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telling me they giving me the fight or flight before

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anything happened. You know that.

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That was going to be My next question is during

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this time, did you get like all of a sudden

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something that was like okay, time to.

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Go or yeah, yeah, yeah, it was an instant fear

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and intimidation and then that steps, and then it took

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me a minute to kind of figure out what the

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heck was going on with the steps.

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You know, did you ever talk to any of your

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friends to see if they experienced similar things in that area.

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They're growing up around there? There was always stories. There

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was always stories, and pretty much everyone I knew knew

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about it, at least whether they believed it or not.

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I don't know. Yeah, growing up, you know, after the

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Mount Saint Helen's thing, growing up in that area, Yeah,

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there was a lot of stories.

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And so you're saying people had sightings of big foot

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in general, or of also seeing visuals in their mind

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of something.

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Oh, no, I hadn't heard about that. No, I didn't.

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I hadn't heard about that until I started listening to like,

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you know, the podcasts and and that. I didn't even like,

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I didn't even recognize that until I heard other people

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talk about it, and I was like, holy crap. Yeah,

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because I ran back to my friends and I was like,

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there's a bigfoot, you know, and we all got in

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the trucks and drove down there trying to look for it.

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After that happened, like I was I was freaked out.

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Oh wow. And it wasn't because I saw it. It

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was because he paced me and showed me a picture

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and I didn't even realize it was happening. And even

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after telling this story to the other show that interviewed

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me about this, like I just said, I knew instantly

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what it was and I ran. I just that's all

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I said. I knew instantly what I was dealing with,

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and I ran.

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Absolutely, And just so people don't think this is a

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show where I don't like mentioning other shows, because sometimes

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that's a whole deal on other show. Yeah, but can

461
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you mention what other show you were on if you

462
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:37.599
don't mind?

463
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.079
Yeah, So yeah, sos Wes's shows Asquatch Chronicles. It's episode

464
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.759
ten thirty nine the Otterer Man.

465
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.160
Cool. So people can check that out as Weah, definitely, absolutely,

466
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:49.079
that's awesome.

467
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:50.880
Yeah.

468
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:55.880
So I'm sorry, just one more question about so, did

469
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.640
because that's just such a a really intense thing experience.

470
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.319
Did that affect you in any way after did it?

471
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:09.200
Did you see that or just get me again, I

472
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.759
just knew because it wasn't a conscious thing. It wasn't

473
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.920
like I knew that they could do that. It wasn't something.

474
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.440
It wasn't an ability I attributed to it or anything

475
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:21.640
like that. It was just I knew what I was

476
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.519
dealing with, and I ran and I figured I've always

477
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:29.880
been sort of like in touch spiritually. You know, come

478
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.279
from an old Irish family and it gets passed down

479
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.440
every once in a while a kid is born, and

480
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.680
you just kind of have an old soul, you know,

481
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:44.240
you kind of you can see things and empathize and feel.

482
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.559
People can't lie to me, you know, we can lie

483
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:46.799
to me.

484
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.240
Let's take a minute to kind of if you can

485
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:52.559
explain what that means, because I think different cultures and

486
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.799
religions kind of described that in different ways. But I'm

487
00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.440
really curious, like what your family and culture would would

488
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.039
just like what you experienced growing up, things like that.

489
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:09.279
There was a my dad's aunt was basically a.

490
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:12.960
Clairvoyant, big for society, who would be right back after

491
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:13.799
these messages.

492
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.319
And it wasn't anything that you'd say out loud. It

493
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.720
was just everyone knew she would call you when and

494
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.359
warn you about things or something like that, you know,

495
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:44.640
anything like that. And and then has to do with

496
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:52.279
crows ravens our our family like our symbol for our

497
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.359
family was a raven and pre Christianity, and then post Christianity,

498
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:03.480
our our family crest changed obviously, but we were Druids,

499
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.240
you know, it was a it was a religion basically.

500
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:13.319
But it's definitely something that we've seen has been passed down.

501
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.119
Like every generation, there's one of the kids is just

502
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:22.839
just knows things. You can see it in their eyes

503
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:28.480
and how fast they learn, and it's it's weird. But

504
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:30.480
and I don't even you know, I'm not going to

505
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.559
say it's factual. I'm just going to say that's our

506
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.200
belief that.

507
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.039
Yeah, so you can trace your lineage back to the Druid,

508
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:43.359
the drd H.

509
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:48.359
Yeah, yeah, we actually we can trace it back to

510
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:56.200
the people who came to Ireland and and settled it.

511
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:02.079
So they were Vikings basically, oh Celtic, the Celts and

512
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.599
the Druids were the priest class. You know.

513
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.039
What kind do you know what what section of Ireland

514
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.839
you were mainly based out of or your relatives were?

515
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.319
Yeah, then northern northern like.

516
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:18.559
Ulster okay, yep, yeah.

517
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.119
Then we spread we kind of ended up in Cork

518
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:20.839
down south.

519
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.319
I used to think I was Irish, turns out I'm

520
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.599
not I'm Scottish, so it's totally different but the.

521
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.559
Same same, same, same, but different.

522
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.559
Yeah, I wish I could. Anyways, that's another story. But wow.

523
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.880
So when you were growing up, did you experience things

524
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.440
where it was like, uh, maybe maybe I should go

525
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.160
talk to that person to see if.

526
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:49.640
They're precognition tons tons. I can always hear someone's voice

527
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.319
in my head and then they'll call me and you know,

528
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.519
or vice versa. I can call someone and they're like,

529
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.920
I was just thinking about you. I'm like, I know,

530
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.440
it's just weird. You. You kind of have to just

531
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.119
go with your guy. You can't can't pinpoint it, you

532
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.200
can't predict it. You can't. It's just a feeling you

533
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:12.000
get and you go with it, and it's it's pretty accurate.

534
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.960
I totally get I get it. I absolutely get it.

535
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.559
Did this did you start to realize this after you

536
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:25.000
had the encounters or was it something you just started

537
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.519
to realize as you No, yeah, no.

538
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:35.720
That's something that was kind of it was apparent early. Okay,

539
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:41.039
connections with old people and just I don't know, there's

540
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.640
a lot of mysticism and superstition and Irish people.

541
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:50.079
I guess absolutely it goes back. It goes back in

542
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:51.039
real long ways.

543
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.920
So that's how they name you. That's how they identify

544
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.880
who you are as a soul. You know, it's you're

545
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.880
known for who you are very early.

546
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:09.880
That's very interesting. So you're in high school and you

547
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:16.320
have this situation where you have that the visual in

548
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.559
your mind, and then you said, after this, then you

549
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.480
really started to dig into things. You start to read,

550
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.079
Like what kind of things were you reading?

551
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.440
Well, as far as I could, yeah, you know, just

552
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:28.440
go to the library and get books. There wasn't no

553
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.360
internet yet. Really, at least the beginnings of the Internet

554
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.840
were there, but there wasn't any vast database of knowledge

555
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:41.800
like there is now. But yeah, books. Every time I

556
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:43.800
saw a book with a big foot on it, I

557
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.960
grabbed it for sure.

558
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.400
That's true because at that point, I mean, just so

559
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:55.079
listeners can connect it. In ninety six, that's when Peter

560
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.800
Burne was doing his study and Henry Franzoni was coming

561
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.400
on the scene and helping him, and so as a

562
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.159
very you know, I guess you could kind of say early,

563
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:09.000
and in modern bigfoot research, it's not as early as

564
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.880
the sixties, but it is kind of cool to think

565
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:18.719
of it in that way, So you kept learning, you

566
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:24.000
kept getting what information that you could, and was there

567
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.079
ever a time where you kind of stepped away from

568
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.320
it or you were just like the whole time?

569
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.519
Yeah, I mean yeah, I wasn't really obsessed with it

570
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.159
or anything. I just definitely found it interesting and I

571
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.159
definitely believed it. You know, you know, you'd see Unsolved

572
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.079
Mysteries would come on and they do the Patterson Gamblin film.

573
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.400
I knew that thing was real, you know, there was

574
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.920
no question in my mind. And then you know, and

575
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.239
now with Thinker Thunker and everybody like that, dude, that

576
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:56.239
thing is real, you know. And it didn't take me

577
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.880
that long to figure that out because that that picture

578
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.440
in my head, which I never even knew was a

579
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.239
picture in my head. It was just what I thought

580
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:11.920
I was dealing with, looked just like that, and you know,

581
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.000
it didn't take much. But yeah, I wasn't like constantly

582
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:21.599
obsessed with it. I just just knew, you know, it's

583
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:22.400
just something I knew.

584
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.880
Are there any other things that you would want to

585
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.599
share about what happened at that point in Gig Harbor?

586
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.079
You kind of just continued on with life at that point.

587
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:39.679
Yeah, Yeah, it's basically my group of friends. At that point,

588
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.039
I think they sort of believed me, so I felt

589
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:48.199
okay about it and then moved on, and you know,

590
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:53.480
then that kind of leads me down the road. And

591
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.239
then something else happened and it was even weirder, and

592
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.880
I just, you know, now, now i'd say I'm kind

593
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.599
of obsessed. Now it's I'm at work all day with

594
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:15.960
podcasts on the speaker and YouTube and whatever. Man, it's

595
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.079
so much information now. So I feel like I'm finally

596
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.039
getting some some answers and I can finally like put

597
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.239
two and two together here and there and there and there.

598
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.960
You know, things things happened to me that thousands of

599
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.000
other people are saying.

600
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:35.280
Now, well, that's that's the weird thing, right because at

601
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.280
this point in our history, especially in this this whole topic,

602
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.639
with the Internet able to connect everything, everyone is realizing, yes,

603
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:48.119
I'm not a person that's an island in a seed.

604
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.960
There are thousands of other people that are experiencing what's

605
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.760
going on, And honestly, I feel that it is starting

606
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:01.519
to go towards an end. To be honest, I think

607
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:07.159
that there's something coming sooner than later. The UFO uIP

608
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.159
crowd has had their day, and I think our day

609
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.840
is coming to be honest, hopefully within the next thirty years.

610
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:15.199
But we'll see.

611
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:16.960
It's got to come to a head. Right to.

612
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:22.599
You mentioned that there was another weird thing that happened

613
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.199
after that gig Harbor incident. Do you mind sharing what

614
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:27.960
else happened?

615
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:35.639
Sure? So I went up camping with a buddy of

616
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:41.719
mine and another girl friend of both of ours, and

617
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.400
we went up There's a little lake called Cooper Lake

618
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.199
and it's there's catch Us Lake up there. It's the

619
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:52.840
Alpine Lakes Wilderness up past lb and Roslyn in Washington here,

620
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.039
so you can look at a map, you can, you know,

621
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.480
right next to Roslin there's some four service roads that

622
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.840
go up to these lakes. And we went up there

623
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.199
and it was like early June. I had the itch

624
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:14.320
to go camping early that year, and we packed everything

625
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.599
up and went up there. And when we got to

626
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:24.599
this turnoff on this forest road, we went up this

627
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.599
hill a little bit and then this tree was over

628
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:32.239
the road, so we actually got out, moved the tree,

629
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:36.480
and then kept going and we ended up hitting the

630
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.800
snow line, and so we were like, oh, crap, I

631
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.000
guess we'll turn around and go back to that campsite

632
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.719
by where that tree was. And went back down there

633
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.440
and pulled off the road and got down into the

634
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.039
campsite and got out of the cars and everything, and

635
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.800
there was stuff everywhere. There was tents still there, like

636
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:05.000
water bottles, tarps, like rope, just everything a cooler like

637
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:11.199
garbage just scattered around everywhere. And basically when we first

638
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:14.039
sawt we were like what jerks? You know, like who

639
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:24.880
did this? So anyway, we cleaned it up and we

640
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.440
set up our camp and we lit our well. Actually,

641
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.960
we started looking for firewood first, and we went out

642
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.360
to we split up all three of us to go

643
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:38.599
collect firewood. And I went up a little ways away

644
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.400
from the site. I found like this clearing that had

645
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.320
a bunch of dead fall and stuff, but there was

646
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:50.039
like super silent, like it was so quiet that I

647
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.760
remember getting vibed out, like like like something was watching

648
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.599
me slash it's too quiet. I got scared basically, And

649
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.039
so oh, and then there was in that little clearing

650
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.480
there was a sapling, like a six foot tall sapling

651
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.000
that was snapped in half, like you could tell that

652
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.519
it was broken. It wasn't snowload bending it or anything

653
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.440
like that. It was too little for snowload. It was

654
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.280
a a little rubbery sapling and it was just broken.

655
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.519
So I actually noticed that because that was one thing

656
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.039
I had heard about. And I smelled kind of like

657
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.559
this urine smell, but it was too quiet, and I

658
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:33.519
felt weird. So I kind of scrambled back to the site,

659
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.840
dropped my armload of firewood, and went and found my

660
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:41.679
friends and kind of collected firewood with them. Excuse me,

661
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.840
So we get back to the site. We started a

662
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:54.159
fire and cooked dinner, made sausages, and it was almost

663
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.280
like the smell of the sausage or the fire itself

664
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:04.199
alerted something. And the woods were still dead, dead, quiet,

665
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:06.639
No insects, no birds, and usually up there in the

666
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:12.760
mountains it's chirping, it's loud. Squirrels and stuff are everywhere,

667
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.519
or like little chipmunks even they're everywhere, but none, nothing,

668
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:24.239
and whatever this thing was or things like smelled our fire,

669
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.119
and you could kind of sense that it was about

670
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.159
two hundred yards away by the distance of the sound.

671
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.760
You know, I don't know, I'm good with distance. I

672
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:38.239
don't know why, but I could hear these things like

673
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:46.559
erupted with with like excitement or it was like a frenzy.

674
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.159
And it was like three at least three separate sounds

675
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.880
that were like sort of like a coyote, sort of

676
00:42:54.920 --> 00:43:03.840
like a bird, sort of like rapid chat. Like I

677
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.159
don't I can't even explain it. Because we were all

678
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.159
standing there looking at each other when this happened. We

679
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:12.159
were like what was that? You know, all of our

680
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:16.400
hair stood up, everything, My arm's hair was standing up,

681
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.280
like and I was like cycling. I remember cycling through

682
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.800
animals in my mind, like trying to pinpoint what this

683
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.000
sound was, and all of us were we were arguing

684
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:31.079
about it, like I was like, is that coyotes? He's like, no,

685
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:35.880
it's not, because you've got a bird. We could not

686
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:37.800
figure out what, but you could tell that they were

687
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.840
getting closer, so we were getting more scared and more

688
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.519
scared and more scared. That's this thing. And I grabbed

689
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.360
my Rambo knife and I'm like standing there holding my

690
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:51.280
Rambo knife, and I pulled out my cellphone and I

691
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:57.159
pressed record and it stopped behind this kind of stand

692
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:01.400
of trees, like three or four Christmas tree looking things,

693
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:05.960
and it was making this noise at us, and you

694
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.800
could feel it. You could feel it in your guts

695
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.280
and your bones and stuff, like it was like a

696
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:16.119
trilling noise like it. It was like it was like

697
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:25.559
inquisitive but very abrasive, and it kind of struck me

698
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:29.440
as feminine. And I don't know how, but it was

699
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:33.440
like it was like doing this over and over. And

700
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:37.519
then when I pulled my phone up right and press report,

701
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.880
it totally stopped. And then my friend starts kind of

702
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.320
walking closer and closer, and I'm like, dude, don't and

703
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.599
he walks up and he almost gets to the trees.

704
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:53.239
And then a bag of groceries in the pickup truck

705
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.360
behind us got knocked over somehow and spilled, and we

706
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:58.880
all flipped around to look at what that noise was

707
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.320
and there was nothing there. And then there was nothing

708
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:09.480
behind us, and it all vanished, like all the trace

709
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.800
of any noise or it all just went away. It

710
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:18.199
was dead silent, and we just didn't even understand what

711
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:23.119
just happened, like we didn't know what was going on,

712
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.119
and for some reason we stayed and I was curled

713
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.719
up in a ball in my tent all night with

714
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.159
my knife, just freaked out. I had no clue what

715
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:35.719
that was.

716
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.159
Big for a society. Who will be right back after

717
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:39.480
these messages.

718
00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:00.679
And I will tell you it was not a bird, coyotes,

719
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:04.960
but whatever it was, the noise it was making was

720
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:12.000
so weird and so loud that you could feel it.

721
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:22.840
So the girl she experienced everything almost exactly the same

722
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:28.920
as me. But my friend that was there, he like

723
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:33.360
went in the complete denial mode, like he denies that

724
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:39.320
anything weird happened. He denies that the sound it was made,

725
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.800
it's like nothing. He won't give it, he won't even

726
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.840
talk about it. He gets mad, and I was afraid

727
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.480
that I would lose him as a friend kind of,

728
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:50.880
so I just stopped talking to him about it. But

729
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:59.400
that leads me to the video that I took when

730
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:03.559
we we're listening, we're sorry, go ahead.

731
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:06.039
Is this is this a different one than what just happened?

732
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:10.159
No? No, no, we were Yeah, I took my phone

733
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.320
out and was filming, and it stopped making the noise

734
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.840
right when I took my phone out. But when we

735
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.519
watched the video, you could hear a super low growl,

736
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.000
like for like ten seconds of when the video starts,

737
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.719
you could hear it just like, But I don't think

738
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:29.880
that was audible.

739
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.199
To us really.

740
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.920
Yeah, so and then that video disappeared off my phone

741
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.719
like it's just gone, oh.

742
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.039
Man, yeah, oh that's terrible.

743
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:47.239
Yeah so that's that. And I can't explain that anymore

744
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:47.880
than the others.

745
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.719
I have a few questions for you about that, because

746
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:56.559
that is that's an that's a wild, wild account. That

747
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.840
is it kind of familiar in a way, but more

748
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.760
so you said, well, the three separate sounds were did

749
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.960
it sound like they were coming from the same creature

750
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.079
or maybe from different creatures, like the coyote was coming

751
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.800
from one the bird thing was coming from another one

752
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:17.960
or was it hard to tell?

753
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:23.079
Yeah, it sounded like three things arguing in like a

754
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.679
weird coyote bird language. And the closest thing I've ever

755
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.119
heard that was anything like it was the there's a

756
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.760
certain part of the Sierra sounds where they're arguing. I

757
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.639
think it's like the female one arguing with the male,

758
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.199
and that's the only there was a little bit of

759
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:47.920
that kind of chatter. But it sounded like a swarm

760
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:53.360
of coyotes, you know, and then it would morph kind

761
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:55.639
of into something else, And yeah, it was.

762
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:01.880
It was really weird, so much so much mimicry that

763
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:06.800
gets I mean, that had There's just so many different

764
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.880
types of mimicry and just weird sounds, and I'm not

765
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.679
sure how to wrap my mind about it. The closest

766
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:19.199
I've gotten is hearing a mimic bird noise, and then

767
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:24.239
I've talked about that before in some Oakrage episodes. But

768
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.039
did the birds sound like any any bird you've heard

769
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.239
before or no?

770
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.280
Yeah, no, we were trying to look up like owl

771
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:40.639
sounds and ravens, but just nothing nothing. Even so the

772
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:42.800
noises it was making out is from behind the trees.

773
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.880
It wasn't like that wasn't like a bird it was.

774
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:50.960
It was it was like tongue trills, like like it

775
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:53.679
was asking us what we were and like it was

776
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:57.239
it was like I want to make the noise, but

777
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:01.599
I can't even replicate it. But it was like inquisitive,

778
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.000
like it would go up at the end like a question,

779
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:09.519
you know, oh sure, like weird stuff like that. It

780
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.000
was alien, completely alien.

781
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.840
Well that's got to freak you out, though I.

782
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.840
Certainly did. It certainly did, and it I mean, I

783
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.199
was petrified. I've never been that scared in my life.

784
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.719
I was like a baby. Yeah, and I you know,

785
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:30.400
I woke up at like three in the morning and

786
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.599
like slammed away because I was still scared, and my

787
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.239
whole body cramped up and I screamed like it was

788
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.159
a terrible, terrible, terrible night.

789
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.400
Oh wow, So you just freaked out? Really?

790
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.000
I mean yeah, it put me off of camping for

791
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.639
like ten years, dude, Like since then, I've only been

792
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:51.760
camping once. Like, I just can't, can you?

793
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.679
I don't think you shared this. How how long did

794
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.719
it take you guys to get into that area?

795
00:50:58.800 --> 00:50:58.880
Like?

796
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.639
How long at the woods? Is that.

797
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:07.280
It's it's probably about forty five minutes away from the

798
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.920
nearest half hour from the nearest town.

799
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.760
Okay, but you're way out there. It sounds like like

800
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.119
just you're in the woods for sure.

801
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.920
It's up in the mountain. Yeah, it's like you know,

802
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.679
you see like cabins and stuff on the roads up

803
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.800
to it, but the forour service road is you know,

804
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.199
nobody lives on that, and then it was like an

805
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:35.280
offshoot from that forest service road, so it was pretty isolated.

806
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:40.400
How I guess what general year or how old were

807
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:41.880
you around when this happened?

808
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:47.679
This was not too long ago. This, so I want

809
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:51.760
to say like probably twenty seventeen something like that, because

810
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:55.360
I know, I had my kids and I went on

811
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.760
this trip to kind of take a vacation for the

812
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.480
weekend with my friends, you know, and I left the

813
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.639
kids with my mom and I went up there. Definitely

814
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:05.400
had a story to tell when I came back.

815
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.800
Absolutely, So you have just recently gone out camping again.

816
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:12.039
It sounds like it's just this year.

817
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:14.639
Okay, yeah, yeah, I.

818
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.599
Just took the kids up the first time they've ever

819
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.079
been camping this year. And funny enough, we went to

820
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:20.920
the same place.

821
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:23.079
How did that go?

822
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:26.039
But it was so many people there that okay, nothing weird.

823
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:27.400
So many people.

824
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.920
Now, Oh, the camping supplies that you guys found up

825
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.440
there were they just like someone had left in the

826
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.440
hurry or just someone making a mess.

827
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:41.679
Or after all this happened, I figured that they just

828
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:45.480
took off. Yep, they got the same thing probably happened

829
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:46.840
to them, and they left everything there.

830
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:50.559
Absolutely, I would I would agree with you. That's what

831
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.199
I was thinking about. In the background. I was like,

832
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.480
I bet those dudes skidaddled out of there and just

833
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:56.360
left everything.

834
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.480
Yeah, And I probably would have too if my friend

835
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:05.039
wasn't so and he he was the rational mind at

836
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:09.440
that point, you know, like we're fine, we're let's camp,

837
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.400
We're gonna be over and nothing weird happened. I was like, okay, man,

838
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.480
I'm freaking out, though I don't know what that was.

839
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:22.039
Right exactly, So Cooper Lake, was this at the campground,

840
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.519
that's that's by Coop.

841
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.840
No. We it was snow prevented us from getting all

842
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.559
the way to the campground, so we went off the

843
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.000
road off to the side somewhere.

844
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.199
Oh so this is off this is off base camping. Yeah,

845
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:43.719
oh man, okay, yeah, wow mm.

846
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.719
Yeah, there was a we found that spot that had

847
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.079
a fire pit already and everybody's stuff was was there.

848
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:54.039
But yeah, it was definitely not in the campground. So

849
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.000
that's a lot kind of primitive camp.

850
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.719
Yeah, be curious if anyone else has had stuff go

851
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:01.400
down in that area as well.

852
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:05.400
We'll see if Oh yeah, I looked it up. Yeah,

853
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:11.639
there's been there's been something like ten sightings there over

854
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.760
the past eighty years or something like that. But I'd

855
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:20.440
imagine that's a pretty old figure because when I looked

856
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.559
it up, it was back then right after it happened.

857
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.440
Okay, was that on BFRO or what what?

858
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.239
Yeah, yeah, I think so, and those numbers might not

859
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.840
be accurate. That's just kind of recollection. I looked it

860
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.840
up and I know I confirmed other people had had

861
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.079
seen it there and I never saw nothing. But oh wow,

862
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:44.719
definitely something happened.

863
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.159
Did you actually talk to other people that have had

864
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:48.239
sightings in that area?

865
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.920
No? No, but the BFRO called me because I reported

866
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:57.480
it on their site. So they called me and took

867
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.400
down the info. But nothing ever came of it.

868
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.760
It's probably in the in the back database somewhere. Yeah,

869
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:10.679
but that's a different story. So around twenty seventeen, is

870
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.199
that the most the most recent thing that you've experienced them?

871
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:21.599
Yeah, I think so. It was what prevented me from

872
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.679
and I kind of had this like I wanted to

873
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.960
go camping, but I was kind of just too freaked out.

874
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.800
I totally get it. I mean, I hear that story

875
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.559
so many times where you know, people don't go back

876
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:38.400
for ten years or more easy and the stuff that

877
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:42.000
people report it. Yeah, I don't blame them, to be honest,

878
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:47.360
it would be tough for me as well when you

879
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:49.840
went back to that area. So when you went back there,

880
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.039
was it to the same exact area then or just

881
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.960
kind of a similar we went.

882
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.239
To the campground because I couldn't find I looked for

883
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:01.719
that spot. I looked for where we pulled off and everything.

884
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.559
It was kind of different season, So I don't know

885
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:10.039
if we never found that spot again, like we looked

886
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:13.760
that weekend and could not find it. I think we

887
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.199
were off the road a little more than we realized. Sure,

888
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:23.320
so just driving around there, I couldn't find it. But

889
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.320
I remember I came home and I put a push

890
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.079
pin in the map and I was like, yeah, they're.

891
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:34.719
There, Wow, and there you go. Which is trying to

892
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:36.679
what what county is that?

893
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:43.599
I think that would be shoot, I don't know, first

894
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:45.000
In or no.

895
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:50.880
Kitt test county.

896
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:52.239
Kitt sounds right.

897
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.760
Yeah, I'll have to look that one up so I

898
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:57.280
can just get familiar with it.

899
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.480
Yeah, I would like to go back up there in

900
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.360
the winter again, because you know, there's no people up there.

901
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.239
I want to see. I have this drive to do that.

902
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.199
I don't know why, but I'm not as scared anymore.

903
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:17.639
I guess it wore off a little bit and I

904
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:20.000
was able to go camping this year and nothing weird happened,

905
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.280
and so yeah, I kind of want to go in

906
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.519
the winter, but I can't get anyone to go with.

907
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:32.800
Me, gotcha, So you do have a desire to experience

908
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.519
something again or maybe even have another visual.

909
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.599
I think it's just a part of me that wants

910
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.559
concrete proof, you know, even though I know something isn't

911
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.079
right and it's not acknowledged by the people that should

912
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:54.159
be acknowledged by I want. I want more answers. That's

913
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:55.480
just kind of who I am.

914
00:57:56.000 --> 00:58:00.400
I'm right there with you. Have you know, you have

915
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:06.559
spent quite a long time really reading stuff, researching different things,

916
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.920
and experiencing them some things as well. Have have you

917
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:14.320
come to any ideas about what it is that you

918
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:20.159
think the whole the sasquatch creature is what we're dealing with,

919
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.000
or just one big mystery.

920
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:25.559
I mean, I think the ones I saw in the

921
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:29.639
sand lungs are a different thing than these other ones.

922
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:37.719
But now I have my own weird theories about why

923
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:41.320
the government covers it up and all that. But I

924
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:49.119
think that there's something about them. Maybe they have abilities

925
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.079
that we could have cultivated but didn't, is kind of

926
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.199
what I lean towards. You know, if we let our

927
00:58:55.760 --> 00:59:00.639
pineal gland develop and used the senses you know that

928
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:05.840
we we should use, right exactly, we might have those

929
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:08.440
abilities and mine speak that kind of stuff that's sending

930
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:11.559
a picture to me. I don't think that's too far fetched,

931
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:16.199
you know, because there are people that exhibit those kinds

932
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:23.280
of abilities and it's proven. You know, the military uses

933
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:24.239
as you.

934
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:26.440
Know, Yeah, they have that. They have a lot of

935
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:28.920
stuff like that that you can you can look into.

936
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.639
And remote viewers and things like that.

937
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:35.719
Yep, no doubt, man, Absolutely, I'm there with you. Do

938
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.199
you think there's a lot of cover up that goes

939
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.360
on out there in the Pacific Northwest? Do you think

940
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:43.760
that's just something you read on Reddit every once in

941
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:44.199
a while.

942
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:52.559
Yeah, I'm kind of concerned because every correspondence I've had

943
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:58.119
with Wes has been deleted off my Gmail and my phone.

944
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:03.760
Every correspondence I've had with Sibylla, the artist that she

945
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:11.840
does the sketching encounter. Yeah, she's awesome by the way. Yeah,

946
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.440
all it's gone. I can't get hold of her or him.

947
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:20.039
Everything's deleted. I really liked her sketches. They're gone, you know,

948
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:25.440
Like so, I don't know why would they pay attention

949
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.079
to little old me? But maybe it's just the keyword

950
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.679
sweep that goes through and takes things out, like a

951
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:39.679
virus or something. But if it's that complicated, yeah, there's

952
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:40.559
something going on.

953
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:44.639
Oh absolutely. You know, there's a question. I'm just going

954
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:49.280
to start asking everyone from the Pacific Northwest the whole

955
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.840
Mount Saint Helen's thing. And there's a story about where

956
01:00:54.760 --> 01:01:00.559
someone saw the helicopters flying over with the big Foot

957
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.320
in the you know net or whatever. Yeah, do you

958
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.440
think that's just a passed around story or have you

959
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.320
ever heard anything substantial about that.

960
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:17.280
I've heard stories from people that the National Guardsmen leaked information.

961
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:21.079
I've heard the doctors leaked information. I've heard there was

962
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:25.360
a Native American dude that was going around with them

963
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.840
in a pickup truck to check on different cave systems

964
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.639
to make sure some of them were still alive or

965
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:34.159
if they were dead or burned. There's so many weird,

966
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:39.480
specific little stories from Mount Hellens. That's it's kind of

967
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:41.880
it's pretty believable, you know.

968
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:47.159
It's very interesting. It's a thing where I've I'm probably

969
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.519
going to try to track it down more now. But

970
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.320
are those things you've heard on other podcasts or you've

971
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.039
actually read or talked to people about them.

972
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.840
I remember those stories from before the internet.

973
01:01:58.000 --> 01:01:58.360
Really.

974
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.000
Yeah. I knew people that went up to Mount Saint

975
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:03.159
Helens to look for Bigfoot back in the day. Like

976
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:06.639
my friend's dad used to take us up there with

977
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:09.559
his hidden agenda of trying to look for Bigfoot, and

978
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:15.239
you know, so, yeah, it's it's just always been in

979
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.719
the lore around here. And you know, definitely a lot

980
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:24.880
of people deny that it's happening or that there's anything

981
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:31.960
going on, but you gotta, you gotta one person might

982
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.840
be lying, but thousands and thousands, it's just it's not credible,

983
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.719
you know. Yeah, it just seems to.

984
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.760
Look over overlook or say that everyone's lying, you know.

985
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:49.519
So yeah, I just can't see that as calling that's

986
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:50.000
calling me.

987
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:55.360
A liar, exactly. And so I'll kind of open up

988
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.880
the Pandora's box on on this. So if anyone listening

989
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.719
has a connection with an individual that I can actually

990
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:09.880
talk to about maybe Bigfoot being carted off after the

991
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:15.000
Mount Saint Helen's eruption, reach out. Email me at Bigfoot

992
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.599
Society at gmail dot com. All those individuals would probably

993
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:21.880
be getting pretty old now, But you know, that's why

994
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.119
it's important to talk to them if they're still around.

995
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:27.639
So throw that out there. See if anyone wants to

996
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:32.719
send an email over but that would be fantastic, that

997
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.119
would be that would be pretty incredible. But Sean, this

998
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:40.840
has been a just a fascinating conversation about a few

999
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:43.559
different places in the Pacific Northwest. But do you have

1000
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:48.760
any final closing thoughts before we finished our conversation together,

1001
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:51.320
Not really.

1002
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.320
I just you know, thank you, thank you for listening,

1003
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:59.119
thank you for not judging me. And you know you

1004
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.840
don't you don't get to talk about this stuff with anybody.

1005
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:06.400
You know, you don't want to ruin relationships and you

1006
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:08.639
don't want to be looked at at work like a

1007
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:12.159
certain way. And it's just really nice to have an outlet.

1008
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.760
And it's really nice that you know, you provide that

1009
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:17.559
for people, and I appreciate you.

1010
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.280
Thank you. There's something i'd want to address before we

1011
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:26.519
go out. After the Oakridge thing, I made the mistake

1012
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:30.679
of telling a few people that are not Bigfoot people

1013
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:35.599
about things I experienced, and I now know what it

1014
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.679
is like to unfortunately lose relationships or be looked at

1015
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.400
in a different ways. So Shauna I'm right there with you.

1016
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.559
I'm not just helping people, but I'm also starting to

1017
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:50.239
work through this myself. So thank you for chatting with

1018
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:53.800
me today and hopefully we can all continue to figure

1019
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.199
this out together. But thanks so much for coming on

1020
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:56.559
the show.

1021
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.239
Thank you you have a good resk of your day.

1022
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.599
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1023
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1028
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1029
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:30.440
had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know

1030
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:34.719
someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

1031
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:38.199
Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

1032
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.880
Here's the list. If you've had any encounters in Oregon,

1033
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:44.440
which I'm sure there's probably a few of you out there,

1034
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:47.519
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1035
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:51.280
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1036
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:55.599
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1037
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:58.440
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1040
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.400
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1041
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:11.360
and again, thanks for listening.

1042
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.000
Her and I can get on here. We can sell

1043
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.440
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's

1044
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:06.400
too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

1045
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.079
them the courage to come out. And now it feels

1046
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.280
so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I

1047
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.559
know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's

1048
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:34.880
all I care about. Please let people know, Please let

1049
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:35.840
them know.

1050
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:37.320
If you've ever seen one of.

1051
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:40.960
These things, you need you tell, because if you don't,

1052
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:54.280
then shame on you. You have. Shame on you.