The Lost Island of The Sasquatch!

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0:52 I'm doing well. Thanks for talking to me. Awesome. I've been excited to talk to You've definitely had some really interesting thing You've kind of shared a little bit through email, and I've been excited to get to this point. So yeah, Sean, I'm going to go ahead and pass things over to you, share what you need to to set the stage of how you got into these things you've experienced. Okay, I guess I'll just start at the beginning, which is something that I sort of blocked my whole life, you know, little glimpses here and there. I would think back to it and not understand it fully, and it just kind of all came to a head watching a show on TV with my daughter about the Alaskan Ottoman.

1:49 So as soon as we turned that show on, the Ottoman thing just popped out. Because I went on this sailing trip with my family and we sailed the San Juans every summer of my childhood. Uh, just kind of explored and found islands and you know, it was it was really fun. But we saw what we thought were giant sea otters. So we kind of like my dad was my dad was we were in a sailboat, so he was pointing at him, going, look, look, sea otters, and we sort of started sailing towards them, and we got closer and they were just huge. They were they were too big, but they we still thought they were otters.

2:34 But then they climbed out of the water on all fours, like onto this beach, and it's kind of scampered up this beach and then this trail, and we kind of followed him with our eyes up this trail, and when they got up to the top of this little hill, they were clearing up there. You could see kind of dappled sunshine and uh, you can see it was a clearing, and they stood up when they got up there, and then we realized there was a bunch more standing around in a circle. And so we were still, you know, getting closer and closer on the sailboat. And the one I noticed the most was the one that was standing with his back to us sort of on this cliff the inside of the clearing, but out on the edge the outer circle, and it was like the cliff and then the water and then us, and so he was slightly above us that his arms were crossed like in front of him, and you could see like the side of his face and his body. His body was covered in black hair. All of them had like just super black jet black hair, and so he didn't seem to react to us at all. But once we all kind of saw what we were looking at and realized that these weren't otters. They were some kind of people, you could.

4:00 My dad got kind of scared and he slammed the tiller over to the other side, and the sailboat started going away, and that's kind of when I kind of got freaked out, and you know, I noticed my dad was scared, so we just sailed away. None of us said a word. None of us talked about it. None of us. It was me and my mom and my dad and my sister was below deck doing something, but never talked about it. We were just kind of like shrugged our shoulders, like what the heck just happened, and carried on with our voyage, and then ended up somewhere getting distracted doing other things with other people. And we never talked about it again. But I always remembered it sort of in the back of my mind. I'd think back and I remember him standing there with his arms crossed.

4:46 I remember his face. He looked like a Native American, sort of caveman Native American, but he wasn't, you know, they weren't. They weren't. They weren't regular people, and they weren't otters. So that was that was basically what happened, and not much else to. It, Sean, that's that is very incredible. Remind me again how old you were at the time of this. Second I was ten, because I remember I had my Ninja Turtle's toys, so I think it would have been around ninety one or ninety two. I was born in eighty one, so ten eleven years old something like that.

5:33 So do you do you create what you saw was a Kushtka then, or or otterman or what do you think it might have been actually a sasquatch? I don't think, I don't. It wasn't an otter. You know, there was no tail, there was no there was no indication that it was an otder in the face, nothing like that. You know, the kryshta ka stuff I've seen. It does look like an otter, you know, which you know, to me could just be a closest approximation by someone who would see it, you know, just like what we thought it was. We thought it was an otter, we you know. And they when they got on all fours and walked up the beach, you could tell their legs were too long, too lanky, their arms and legs so so while they were scurrying up the thing we we all were like, well, that's not an otter, you know what kind of and then they go ahead. Well then they just scampered up that trail and stood up. So it got weirder and weirder. What was your question?

6:47 They did they have a certain way of swimming when they were in the water. They were just swimming like all you could see was their head and their back, which was why we thought they were otters, you know, and possibly otters lay on their back and they're you know, using their hands on their chest or whatever. From a distance, we didn't know we that was the shape. That was the basic shape of it was ahead with a body. Mh. You know, when we got closer you realized it was a head and a back and not a belly and not an oter face. And then and. Then they got up. Yeah, and then they just got they got on, you know, on the beach. When they got to the beach, they crawled up like like on all fours and and their legs and arms didn't move as much as you'd think. It was more of their hands and feet.

7:47 That's really interesting. Can you can you explain a little bit more what you mean by it was more their. Feet, like like the movement seemed to be more just in the wrists and the actual foot like, like the arms and legs were relatively still. They didn't swing back and forth or anything like that. You know, it was like they were pretending to be animals. It's sort of the kind of what I got from it at ten years old, not knowing what the heck I was looking at. You know, I was like, I really, honestly, I remember that feeling of thinking, they're trying to trick us. And then you know, they got up the trail to the top of the hill and stood up because they were with all their friends at that point, I don't think they needed to care anymore, you know.

8:40 When they were when they were standing and you saw the one that was on the cliff, and then there are the other in the group. How far away from you in the sailboat were these guys? So I figure, and I've told this story before, and I the only thing I can figures. We got close enough where you could throw a line to the beach, so I'd say, no more than like forty feet thirty forty feet, So it was close. We were so close you could you could see the ground underneath our Keel, Okay. So you know, I know, as my dad was getting closer to the island to see what we were looking at, I know he was keeping an eye on the on the ground too, So we didn't run aground because that's how close we were.

9:28 For those that aren't familiar with this area, can you kind of describe a little bit, like exactly where the San Juan Islands are, how far away from civilization we're talking, yeah, to get to them, things like that. Yeah, So this would have been up Okay, so Washington. You know, how's that big peninsula that sticks up and then the Puget Sound, you know, cuts down into the heart of the state. So all these islands are scattered inside that sound. And we would have been up towards Victoria Island or Vancouver Island because we were headed to Victoria.

10:12 So it was just a super tiny forested island up there by Canada. We were probably still in American waters, but at least god nautical miles i'd say, or I'll say, as the crow flies thirty forty miles from any civilized town. Interest super remote, you know, super remote, And it was. It was a tiny island. I mean, it looks like something that you'd see on the screensaver or something, you know, wow, And it was a super bright, sunshiny day that you could see through the trees. You know, you could see all these things perfectly clear.

11:03 Is it an unnamed island or I. Would assume it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that that trip we found an island that had our same last name. So we we like to go exploring around those those islands. That's what my dad was, a sailor man, you know, when we were gone most of the summer doing that. That's very cool. But I mean, like what a cool way for a family to get out and do stuff. I did want to ask a few more questions about what you remember from that day. So do you remember anything any thing about the head shape or if there were ears on the creatures or anything like that.

11:50 Yeah. So, so their hair was like a like a slick back kind of almost like a mullet. It's like poofy and tall on top, but kind of like a pompadoor mullet. It was weird. I don't know if it's because they were wet or or if that's just what it seemed like. They had the same hair, all of them. Like shoulder like it would come down long hair from the top of the head down slicked back down to the shoulders, but then it kind of like curled out just a little bit, you know. But then their their whole body was the same color, but just shorter hair, and their face was like a Native American caveman dude.

12:37 Like it looked like I've seen so many pictures of like the Neanderthal type. It's some one of those stages in between or whatever they say, gotcha, That's what it most looked like. Was was like a caveman Indian. Would you say that the group was all males or did you think it was they were all, you know, younger adolescents, females, males like. So, okay, I kind of think the two the two that were in the water, I think they were younger because they weren't as big, and they kind of got spooked by us and scampered up the beach, So it kind of seemed like they were playing in the water or something. And these other ones were standing around a circle.

13:25 I think they were. The one that was standing with his back door was was a was a man. He was a man. I didn't get a very close look at any of the other ones other than just you know, their basic shape and color. Their faces all seemed similar. But and I never saw the faces of the two that got out and scampered up. They were kind of in the back. The trailhead kind of came out behind this group and there was like a couple standing there while they walked into this. It was like they were having a council meeting or something. Man, very very interesting. And so did you guys have to drive up to where there's like looks like twenty goes up to Alexander Beach in that area and then there's you might have been able to sail out from there.

14:20 I know this is a lot to ask as you were ten years old. No, we we had our boat in gig Harbor. I grew up in gig Harbor. Yep. So we just had our boat down in a marina and we would sail from gig Harbor all the way up there. Oh wow, that's a long trip. Yeah, yeah it was. It is awesome though. Man, there's so many things happened on those trips, like Wales Orca's swimming with us, like a foot from our feet, you know, while we're keeling over. You're basically standing on the side of the bench on the other side of the boat, you know, like you're keeled over so far that the boat sideways and the orcas were just right below my feet looking at me with their eyes, like making eye contact.

15:03 Big for Society will be right back after these messages. It was crazy, crazy stuff happened on that trip. Another interesting thing I've noticed because I look at a map while I'm doing these interviews, is I noticed that the Lummy Reservation is actually kind of goes out in the same area. It's probably more north of the San Juan Islands a little bit, but I know that there's a ton of bigfoot interaction on that reservation over the years. Yeah, kind of interesting.

15:50 Yeah, it's pretty wild out there. You know, it's we rarely ever ran into any other people. It was. It was rare to you know, we'd get to like some you know, Friday Harbor would be our first stop, and then we'd you know, we'd kind of make our way up through the islands, and then once you got into the straits, it was you feel like you're in the ocean and then you know there's little islands that are around and stuff like that, but yeah, it's I'd assume that there'd be mostly native you know land out there.

16:30 Absolutely. So your dad takes the sailboat, you guys get out of there, and then you don't really talk about what happened. It sounds like. Yeah, no, yeah no. And I don't know whether it was like a defense mechanism within us or if it was because my dad didn't want us to be scared. We just kind of never talked about it. And I know we all looked at each other. I remember making an eye contact, you know, with my parents, and then I, you know, my dad's passed away. But I talked to my mom about this. I you know, talked about this with someone else too, and I had talked to her and she took a day for her to remember, and she called me the next day was like, dude, I totally remember that, Like what it's crazy?

17:24 Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Did she remember how she had reacted to her or did she have any thing? Yeah, she remembered everything. It like slams back to you, you know, like it was right like when I was watching that thing with my daughter, it all slammed into my memory and I was like, oh my goodness, I've seen those things. Wow. Mm, that's pretty that's pretty incredible. What a way to start out at the age of ten. There's a question. This is a weird question. It's just it's in my mind because just because you mentioned you mentioned Ninja turtles. Yeah, so you're you're we're about the same age. You're into the Saturday morning cartoons back in the day, early eighties.

18:12 Did what you saw remind you of anything that you had seen in a cartoon or anything like that. Hmm. It is a good question, it's I don't think so. I think it was so strange and so foreign that I just assumed it was. I couldn't assume anything. I had no idea what what I saw, and neither did my parents, so there was no no box to put it in, no explanation for it. But I'll tell you that I did develop an interest in sasquatch or mysteries of any kind after that. For sure. I knew there was other stuff out there that was not acknowledged by the by the public. So yeah, you kind of gave me sort of the ability to critically think. I think almost you.

19:06 Know, So, how did that start manifesting itself? Like as you got into elementary school and started to go up through the years. I mean, just the interest in the subject just you know, it opened my eyes and definitely definitely made me sort of more inquisitive as far as not just dismissing things, because I dismissed that, you know, and I don't even know if this was all conscious. It was just that's the kind of person I became. I became someone that wasn't that hard to believe that some of these things might be happening. And you know, not until recently did I find all the podcasts and everything and start putting two and two together. You know, it's it's crazy. So it's crazy. What what you deny yourself just because you can't put it in a box.

20:08 Yes, that that rings true so so much. So you went for a good maybe thirty thirty five years just kind of internally analyzing everything, and then you realized, oh, hey, there's lots of other people talking about this stuff. That's exactly right. Oh man. Well yeah, and you know, like I said, I I can't. I kind of always been I don't just want to say things that freak people out, you know, and so I do internalize. Yeah, that is right on. Yeah, absolutely, So you have that that first first interaction at age ten, How long was it then until something else happened that was out of the ordinary.

20:56 Something else happened when I was in high school. I was probably a freshman in high school. And that's one of the weird ones. And I was interviewed about this, and I've withheld stuff, which because it just sounds so weird, you know, it just sounds so like unbelievable that I don't know, I don't know. I'll just just tell you what happened. Yeah, And don't feel like you need to withhold anything either. That does not bother me. You know, you can share everything you remember, and yeah, just feel free to get it all out there.

21:39 It's so simple and so weird. But it's just it just happened, and I can't I can't deny it anymore because I've heard it from so many other people on the podcasts, and you know, I've heard the same stuff so many times that I just can't deny it anymore. So I'll just tell you what I think it was. And so anyway, I was out with a bunch of friends. It was like Friday night, probably one or two o'clock in the morning, and we were out at this place called the Cliff in Gig Harbor. It was just an undeveloped piece of piece of land that was right on the water, so it had this blunt cliff and we used to go up there and hang out. We were, you know, teenagers, And so that night I got into like an argument with my friend and I decided I was going to walk home. I was only a mile or so from my house. So I start walking and back then. You know, it's pretty wooded out there in the harbor, and it was definitely definitely dense forest everywhere, you know. And so I'm walking down this road and right beside me is the woods, and there's trails through these woods that are they're like almost like tunnels. We used to call them the bear trails, but the tunnels were like pretty big you could walk up right. And I'm walking down the road and I got that feeling, you know, like the hair stands up, and I hear

23:11 footsteps exactly the same as mine coming from the woods. And every time I'd stop, like I'd look over and the footsteps would stop, and then I kept going and it was like the third time I stopped, and I turned my head so the wind wouldn't be blowing in my ears, and I could really hear what was going on. And it took two more steps towards me, like I could tell it was leaving the trail and going onto like the just where they're sticks and leaves and everything to crunch, and it took two steps closer, and it put like it put a picture in my head, and it was clear as day, like I could see exactly what was walking towards me, and it was like a picture that was just him standing there on a sunny day, and it wasn't sunny. It was dark, you know. It was the weirdest thing. But he was straight up sassquatching.

24:16 And as soon as he took those two steps towards me and I saw that picture, I bolted. I just turned around and bolted and ran back to my friends. Like after walking for like ten fifteen minutes, I got back to them in minutes, like seconds. I ran faster than I've ever ran. And it was weird because it was like an absolute certainty what I saw, and it was just in my head. I didn't see it in real life. I just heard it. And that's it. That's that's what kind of like made me really want to like start reading books and watching shows about it.

24:58 You know that would uh? I mean, man, that that would do it. This was was this late nineties, this has happened. Yeah, this would have been like ninety six. Okay, yeah, the photo you saw in your mind? Is it similar to what you saw when you were in the sailboat? No? Okay, oops, well I'm I'll walk away from this long boat? Yeah, I nope, it was. It was a completely different It looked like Patty oh, like male versions. I guess I would say, was that kind It was totally different from what I saw. It didn't jog my memory of what I saw it. It was seriously like a completely separate entity.

25:51 And just a visual There were no there was no auditory things, no no voices you heard at the same time. And the steps okay, just the steps and something definitely telling me they giving me the fight or flight before anything happened. You know that. That was going to be My next question is during this time, did you get like all of a sudden something that was like okay, time to. Go or yeah, yeah, yeah, it was an instant fear and intimidation and then that steps, and then it took me a minute to kind of figure out what the heck was going on with the steps.

26:36 You know, did you ever talk to any of your friends to see if they experienced similar things in that area. They're growing up around there? There was always stories. There was always stories, and pretty much everyone I knew knew about it, at least whether they believed it or not. I don't know. Yeah, growing up, you know, after the Mount Saint Helen's thing, growing up in that area, Yeah, there was a lot of stories. And so you're saying people had sightings of big foot in general, or of also seeing visuals in their mind of something.

27:25 Oh, no, I hadn't heard about that. No, I didn't. I hadn't heard about that until I started listening to like, you know, the podcasts and and that. I didn't even like, I didn't even recognize that until I heard other people talk about it, and I was like, holy crap. Yeah, because I ran back to my friends and I was like, there's a bigfoot, you know, and we all got in the trucks and drove down there trying to look for it. After that happened, like I was I was freaked out. Oh wow. And it wasn't because I saw it. It was because he paced me and showed me a picture and I didn't even realize it was happening. And even after telling this story to the other show that interviewed me about this, like I just said, I knew instantly what it was and I ran. I just that's all I said. I knew instantly what I was dealing with, and I ran.

28:22 Absolutely, And just so people don't think this is a show where I don't like mentioning other shows, because sometimes that's a whole deal on other show. Yeah, but can you mention what other show you were on if you don't mind? Yeah, So yeah, sos Wes's shows Asquatch Chronicles. It's episode ten thirty nine the Otterer Man. Cool. So people can check that out as Weah, definitely, absolutely, that's awesome. Yeah. So I'm sorry, just one more question about so, did because that's just such a a really intense thing experience. Did that affect you in any way after did it?

29:05 Did you see that or just get me again, I just knew because it wasn't a conscious thing. It wasn't like I knew that they could do that. It wasn't something. It wasn't an ability I attributed to it or anything like that. It was just I knew what I was dealing with, and I ran and I figured I've always been sort of like in touch spiritually. You know, come from an old Irish family and it gets passed down every once in a while a kid is born, and you just kind of have an old soul, you know, you kind of you can see things and empathize and feel. People can't lie to me, you know, we can lie to me.

29:47 Let's take a minute to kind of if you can explain what that means, because I think different cultures and religions kind of described that in different ways. But I'm really curious, like what your family and culture would would just like what you experienced growing up, things like that. There was a my dad's aunt was basically a. Clairvoyant, big for society, who would be right back after these messages.

30:30 And it wasn't anything that you'd say out loud. It was just everyone knew she would call you when and warn you about things or something like that, you know, anything like that. And and then has to do with crows ravens our our family like our symbol for our family was a raven and pre Christianity, and then post Christianity, our our family crest changed obviously, but we were Druids, you know, it was a it was a religion basically. But it's definitely something that we've seen has been passed down.

31:15 Like every generation, there's one of the kids is just just knows things. You can see it in their eyes and how fast they learn, and it's it's weird. But and I don't even you know, I'm not going to say it's factual. I'm just going to say that's our belief that. Yeah, so you can trace your lineage back to the Druid, the drd H. Yeah, yeah, we actually we can trace it back to the people who came to Ireland and and settled it.

31:56 So they were Vikings basically, oh Celtic, the Celts and the Druids were the priest class. You know. What kind do you know what what section of Ireland you were mainly based out of or your relatives were? Yeah, then northern northern like. Ulster okay, yep, yeah. Then we spread we kind of ended up in Cork down south. I used to think I was Irish, turns out I'm not I'm Scottish, so it's totally different but the. Same same, same, same, but different. Yeah, I wish I could. Anyways, that's another story. But wow. So when you were growing up, did you experience things where it was like, uh, maybe maybe I should go talk to that person to see if.

32:42 They're precognition tons tons. I can always hear someone's voice in my head and then they'll call me and you know, or vice versa. I can call someone and they're like, I was just thinking about you. I'm like, I know, it's just weird. You. You kind of have to just go with your guy. You can't can't pinpoint it, you can't predict it. You can't. It's just a feeling you get and you go with it, and it's it's pretty accurate. I totally get I get it. I absolutely get it. Did this did you start to realize this after you had the encounters or was it something you just started to realize as you No, yeah, no.

33:27 That's something that was kind of it was apparent early. Okay, connections with old people and just I don't know, there's a lot of mysticism and superstition and Irish people. I guess absolutely it goes back. It goes back in real long ways. So that's how they name you. That's how they identify who you are as a soul. You know, it's you're known for who you are very early. That's very interesting. So you're in high school and you have this situation where you have that the visual in your mind, and then you said, after this, then you really started to dig into things. You start to read, Like what kind of things were you reading?

34:24 Well, as far as I could, yeah, you know, just go to the library and get books. There wasn't no internet yet. Really, at least the beginnings of the Internet were there, but there wasn't any vast database of knowledge like there is now. But yeah, books. Every time I saw a book with a big foot on it, I grabbed it for sure. That's true because at that point, I mean, just so listeners can connect it. In ninety six, that's when Peter Burne was doing his study and Henry Franzoni was coming on the scene and helping him, and so as a very you know, I guess you could kind of say early, and in modern bigfoot research, it's not as early as the sixties, but it is kind of cool to think of it in that way, So you kept learning, you kept getting what information that you could, and was there ever a time where you kind of stepped away from it or you were just like the whole time?

35:28 Yeah, I mean yeah, I wasn't really obsessed with it or anything. I just definitely found it interesting and I definitely believed it. You know, you know, you'd see Unsolved Mysteries would come on and they do the Patterson Gamblin film. I knew that thing was real, you know, there was no question in my mind. And then you know, and now with Thinker Thunker and everybody like that, dude, that thing is real, you know. And it didn't take me that long to figure that out because that that picture in my head, which I never even knew was a picture in my head. It was just what I thought I was dealing with, looked just like that, and you know, it didn't take much. But yeah, I wasn't like constantly obsessed with it. I just just knew, you know, it's just something I knew.

36:24 Are there any other things that you would want to share about what happened at that point in Gig Harbor? You kind of just continued on with life at that point. Yeah, Yeah, it's basically my group of friends. At that point, I think they sort of believed me, so I felt okay about it and then moved on, and you know, then that kind of leads me down the road. And then something else happened and it was even weirder, and I just, you know, now, now i'd say I'm kind of obsessed. Now it's I'm at work all day with podcasts on the speaker and YouTube and whatever. Man, it's so much information now. So I feel like I'm finally getting some some answers and I can finally like put two and two together here and there and there and there.

37:24 You know, things things happened to me that thousands of other people are saying. Now, well, that's that's the weird thing, right because at this point in our history, especially in this this whole topic, with the Internet able to connect everything, everyone is realizing, yes, I'm not a person that's an island in a seed. There are thousands of other people that are experiencing what's going on, And honestly, I feel that it is starting to go towards an end. To be honest, I think that there's something coming sooner than later. The UFO uIP crowd has had their day, and I think our day is coming to be honest, hopefully within the next thirty years.

38:14 But we'll see. It's got to come to a head. Right to. You mentioned that there was another weird thing that happened after that gig Harbor incident. Do you mind sharing what else happened? Sure? So I went up camping with a buddy of mine and another girl friend of both of ours, and we went up There's a little lake called Cooper Lake and it's there's catch Us Lake up there. It's the Alpine Lakes Wilderness up past lb and Roslyn in Washington here, so you can look at a map, you can, you know, right next to Roslin there's some four service roads that go up to these lakes. And we went up there and it was like early June. I had the itch to go camping early that year, and we packed everything up and went up there. And when we got to this turnoff on this forest road, we went up this hill a little bit and then this tree was over the road, so we actually got out, moved the tree, and then kept going and we ended up hitting the snow line, and so we were like, oh, crap, I guess we'll turn around and go back to that campsite by where that tree was. And went back down there

39:48 and pulled off the road and got down into the campsite and got out of the cars and everything, and there was stuff everywhere. There was tents still there, like water bottles, tarps, like rope, just everything a cooler like garbage just scattered around everywhere. And basically when we first sawt we were like what jerks? You know, like who did this? So anyway, we cleaned it up and we set up our camp and we lit our well. Actually, we started looking for firewood first, and we went out to we split up all three of us to go collect firewood. And I went up a little ways away from the site. I found like this clearing that had a bunch of dead fall and stuff, but there was like super silent, like it was so quiet that I remember getting vibed out, like like like something was watching me slash it's too quiet. I got scared basically, And so oh, and then there was in that little clearing there was a sapling, like a six foot tall sapling that was snapped in half, like you could tell that it was broken. It wasn't snowload bending it or anything like that. It was too little for snowload. It was a a little rubbery sapling and it was just broken.

41:19 So I actually noticed that because that was one thing I had heard about. And I smelled kind of like this urine smell, but it was too quiet, and I felt weird. So I kind of scrambled back to the site, dropped my armload of firewood, and went and found my friends and kind of collected firewood with them. Excuse me, So we get back to the site. We started a fire and cooked dinner, made sausages, and it was almost like the smell of the sausage or the fire itself alerted something. And the woods were still dead, dead, quiet, No insects, no birds, and usually up there in the mountains it's chirping, it's loud. Squirrels and stuff are everywhere, or like little chipmunks even they're everywhere, but none, nothing, and whatever this thing was or things like smelled our fire, and you could kind of sense that it was about two hundred yards away by the distance of the sound.

42:29 You know, I don't know, I'm good with distance. I don't know why, but I could hear these things like erupted with with like excitement or it was like a frenzy. And it was like three at least three separate sounds that were like sort of like a coyote, sort of like a bird, sort of like rapid chat. Like I don't I can't even explain it. Because we were all standing there looking at each other when this happened. We were like what was that? You know, all of our hair stood up, everything, My arm's hair was standing up, like and I was like cycling. I remember cycling through animals in my mind, like trying to pinpoint what this sound was, and all of us were we were arguing about it, like I was like, is that coyotes? He's like, no, it's not, because you've got a bird. We could not figure out what, but you could tell that they were getting closer, so we were getting more scared and more scared and more scared. That's this thing. And I grabbed my Rambo knife and I'm like standing there holding my Rambo knife, and I pulled out my cellphone and I pressed record and it stopped behind this kind of stand of trees, like three or four Christmas tree looking things,

44:01 and it was making this noise at us, and you could feel it. You could feel it in your guts and your bones and stuff, like it was like a trilling noise like it. It was like it was like inquisitive but very abrasive, and it kind of struck me as feminine. And I don't know how, but it was like it was like doing this over and over. And then when I pulled my phone up right and press report, it totally stopped. And then my friend starts kind of walking closer and closer, and I'm like, dude, don't and he walks up and he almost gets to the trees.

44:48 And then a bag of groceries in the pickup truck behind us got knocked over somehow and spilled, and we all flipped around to look at what that noise was and there was nothing there. And then there was nothing behind us, and it all vanished, like all the trace of any noise or it all just went away. It was dead silent, and we just didn't even understand what just happened, like we didn't know what was going on, and for some reason we stayed and I was curled up in a ball in my tent all night with my knife, just freaked out. I had no clue what that was.

45:36 Big for a society. Who will be right back after these messages. And I will tell you it was not a bird, coyotes, but whatever it was, the noise it was making was so weird and so loud that you could feel it. So the girl she experienced everything almost exactly the same as me. But my friend that was there, he like went in the complete denial mode, like he denies that anything weird happened. He denies that the sound it was made, it's like nothing. He won't give it, he won't even talk about it. He gets mad, and I was afraid that I would lose him as a friend kind of, so I just stopped talking to him about it. But that leads me to the video that I took when we we're listening, we're sorry, go ahead.

47:03 Is this is this a different one than what just happened? No? No, no, we were Yeah, I took my phone out and was filming, and it stopped making the noise right when I took my phone out. But when we watched the video, you could hear a super low growl, like for like ten seconds of when the video starts, you could hear it just like, But I don't think that was audible. To us really. Yeah, so and then that video disappeared off my phone like it's just gone, oh. Man, yeah, oh that's terrible. Yeah so that's that. And I can't explain that anymore than the others.

47:49 I have a few questions for you about that, because that is that's an that's a wild, wild account. That is it kind of familiar in a way, but more so you said, well, the three separate sounds were did it sound like they were coming from the same creature or maybe from different creatures, like the coyote was coming from one the bird thing was coming from another one or was it hard to tell? Yeah, it sounded like three things arguing in like a weird coyote bird language. And the closest thing I've ever heard that was anything like it was the there's a certain part of the Sierra sounds where they're arguing. I think it's like the female one arguing with the male, and that's the only there was a little bit of that kind of chatter. But it sounded like a swarm of coyotes, you know, and then it would morph kind of into something else, And yeah, it was.

48:55 It was really weird, so much so much mimicry that gets I mean, that had There's just so many different types of mimicry and just weird sounds, and I'm not sure how to wrap my mind about it. The closest I've gotten is hearing a mimic bird noise, and then I've talked about that before in some Oakrage episodes. But did the birds sound like any any bird you've heard before or no? Yeah, no, we were trying to look up like owl sounds and ravens, but just nothing nothing. Even so the noises it was making out is from behind the trees.

49:43 It wasn't like that wasn't like a bird it was. It was it was like tongue trills, like like it was asking us what we were and like it was it was like I want to make the noise, but I can't even replicate it. But it was like inquisitive, like it would go up at the end like a question, you know, oh sure, like weird stuff like that. It was alien, completely alien. Well that's got to freak you out, though I. Certainly did. It certainly did, and it I mean, I was petrified. I've never been that scared in my life.

50:24 I was like a baby. Yeah, and I you know, I woke up at like three in the morning and like slammed away because I was still scared, and my whole body cramped up and I screamed like it was a terrible, terrible, terrible night. Oh wow, So you just freaked out? Really? I mean yeah, it put me off of camping for like ten years, dude, Like since then, I've only been camping once. Like, I just can't, can you? I don't think you shared this. How how long did it take you guys to get into that area? Like? How long at the woods? Is that. It's it's probably about forty five minutes away from the nearest half hour from the nearest town.

51:10 Okay, but you're way out there. It sounds like like just you're in the woods for sure. It's up in the mountain. Yeah, it's like you know, you see like cabins and stuff on the roads up to it, but the forour service road is you know, nobody lives on that, and then it was like an offshoot from that forest service road, so it was pretty isolated. How I guess what general year or how old were you around when this happened? This was not too long ago. This, so I want to say like probably twenty seventeen something like that, because I know, I had my kids and I went on this trip to kind of take a vacation for the weekend with my friends, you know, and I left the kids with my mom and I went up there. Definitely had a story to tell when I came back.

52:05 Absolutely, So you have just recently gone out camping again. It sounds like it's just this year. Okay, yeah, yeah, I. Just took the kids up the first time they've ever been camping this year. And funny enough, we went to the same place. How did that go? But it was so many people there that okay, nothing weird. So many people. Now, Oh, the camping supplies that you guys found up there were they just like someone had left in the hurry or just someone making a mess. Or after all this happened, I figured that they just took off. Yep, they got the same thing probably happened to them, and they left everything there.

52:48 Absolutely, I would I would agree with you. That's what I was thinking about. In the background. I was like, I bet those dudes skidaddled out of there and just left everything. Yeah, And I probably would have too if my friend wasn't so and he he was the rational mind at that point, you know, like we're fine, we're let's camp, We're gonna be over and nothing weird happened. I was like, okay, man, I'm freaking out, though I don't know what that was. Right exactly, So Cooper Lake, was this at the campground, that's that's by Coop. No. We it was snow prevented us from getting all the way to the campground, so we went off the road off to the side somewhere.

53:32 Oh so this is off this is off base camping. Yeah, oh man, okay, yeah, wow mm. Yeah, there was a we found that spot that had a fire pit already and everybody's stuff was was there. But yeah, it was definitely not in the campground. So that's a lot kind of primitive camp. Yeah, be curious if anyone else has had stuff go down in that area as well. We'll see if Oh yeah, I looked it up. Yeah, there's been there's been something like ten sightings there over the past eighty years or something like that. But I'd imagine that's a pretty old figure because when I looked it up, it was back then right after it happened.

54:23 Okay, was that on BFRO or what what? Yeah, yeah, I think so, and those numbers might not be accurate. That's just kind of recollection. I looked it up and I know I confirmed other people had had seen it there and I never saw nothing. But oh wow, definitely something happened. Did you actually talk to other people that have had sightings in that area? No? No, but the BFRO called me because I reported it on their site. So they called me and took down the info. But nothing ever came of it. It's probably in the in the back database somewhere. Yeah, but that's a different story. So around twenty seventeen, is that the most the most recent thing that you've experienced them?

55:15 Yeah, I think so. It was what prevented me from and I kind of had this like I wanted to go camping, but I was kind of just too freaked out. I totally get it. I mean, I hear that story so many times where you know, people don't go back for ten years or more easy and the stuff that people report it. Yeah, I don't blame them, to be honest, it would be tough for me as well when you went back to that area. So when you went back there, was it to the same exact area then or just kind of a similar we went.

55:55 To the campground because I couldn't find I looked for that spot. I looked for where we pulled off and everything. It was kind of different season, So I don't know if we never found that spot again, like we looked that weekend and could not find it. I think we were off the road a little more than we realized. Sure, so just driving around there, I couldn't find it. But I remember I came home and I put a push pin in the map and I was like, yeah, they're. There, Wow, and there you go. Which is trying to what what county is that?

56:38 I think that would be shoot, I don't know, first In or no. Kitt test county. Kitt sounds right. Yeah, I'll have to look that one up so I can just get familiar with it. Yeah, I would like to go back up there in the winter again, because you know, there's no people up there. I want to see. I have this drive to do that. I don't know why, but I'm not as scared anymore. I guess it wore off a little bit and I was able to go camping this year and nothing weird happened, and so yeah, I kind of want to go in the winter, but I can't get anyone to go with.

57:25 Me, gotcha, So you do have a desire to experience something again or maybe even have another visual. I think it's just a part of me that wants concrete proof, you know, even though I know something isn't right and it's not acknowledged by the people that should be acknowledged by I want. I want more answers. That's just kind of who I am. I'm right there with you. Have you know, you have spent quite a long time really reading stuff, researching different things, and experiencing them some things as well. Have have you come to any ideas about what it is that you think the whole the sasquatch creature is what we're dealing with, or just one big mystery.

58:23 I mean, I think the ones I saw in the sand lungs are a different thing than these other ones. But now I have my own weird theories about why the government covers it up and all that. But I think that there's something about them. Maybe they have abilities that we could have cultivated but didn't, is kind of what I lean towards. You know, if we let our pineal gland develop and used the senses you know that we we should use, right exactly, we might have those abilities and mine speak that kind of stuff that's sending a picture to me. I don't think that's too far fetched, you know, because there are people that exhibit those kinds of abilities and it's proven. You know, the military uses as you.

59:24 Know, Yeah, they have that. They have a lot of stuff like that that you can you can look into. And remote viewers and things like that. Yep, no doubt, man, Absolutely, I'm there with you. Do you think there's a lot of cover up that goes on out there in the Pacific Northwest? Do you think that's just something you read on Reddit every once in a while. Yeah, I'm kind of concerned because every correspondence I've had with Wes has been deleted off my Gmail and my phone. Every correspondence I've had with Sibylla, the artist that she does the sketching encounter. Yeah, she's awesome by the way. Yeah, all it's gone. I can't get hold of her or him.

1:00:15 Everything's deleted. I really liked her sketches. They're gone, you know, Like so, I don't know why would they pay attention to little old me? But maybe it's just the keyword sweep that goes through and takes things out, like a virus or something. But if it's that complicated, yeah, there's something going on. Oh absolutely. You know, there's a question. I'm just going to start asking everyone from the Pacific Northwest the whole Mount Saint Helen's thing. And there's a story about where someone saw the helicopters flying over with the big Foot in the you know net or whatever. Yeah, do you think that's just a passed around story or have you ever heard anything substantial about that.

1:01:11 I've heard stories from people that the National Guardsmen leaked information. I've heard the doctors leaked information. I've heard there was a Native American dude that was going around with them in a pickup truck to check on different cave systems to make sure some of them were still alive or if they were dead or burned. There's so many weird, specific little stories from Mount Hellens. That's it's kind of it's pretty believable, you know. It's very interesting. It's a thing where I've I'm probably going to try to track it down more now. But are those things you've heard on other podcasts or you've actually read or talked to people about them.

1:01:55 I remember those stories from before the internet. Really. Yeah. I knew people that went up to Mount Saint Helens to look for Bigfoot back in the day. Like my friend's dad used to take us up there with his hidden agenda of trying to look for Bigfoot, and you know, so, yeah, it's it's just always been in the lore around here. And you know, definitely a lot of people deny that it's happening or that there's anything going on, but you gotta, you gotta one person might be lying, but thousands and thousands, it's just it's not credible, you know. Yeah, it just seems to.

1:02:40 Look over overlook or say that everyone's lying, you know. So yeah, I just can't see that as calling that's calling me. A liar, exactly. And so I'll kind of open up the Pandora's box on on this. So if anyone listening has a connection with an individual that I can actually talk to about maybe Bigfoot being carted off after the Mount Saint Helen's eruption, reach out. Email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. All those individuals would probably be getting pretty old now, But you know, that's why it's important to talk to them if they're still around.

1:03:24 So throw that out there. See if anyone wants to send an email over but that would be fantastic, that would be that would be pretty incredible. But Sean, this has been a just a fascinating conversation about a few different places in the Pacific Northwest. But do you have any final closing thoughts before we finished our conversation together, Not really. I just you know, thank you, thank you for listening, thank you for not judging me. And you know you don't you don't get to talk about this stuff with anybody. You know, you don't want to ruin relationships and you don't want to be looked at at work like a certain way. And it's just really nice to have an outlet.

1:04:12 And it's really nice that you know, you provide that for people, and I appreciate you. Thank you. There's something i'd want to address before we go out. After the Oakridge thing, I made the mistake of telling a few people that are not Bigfoot people about things I experienced, and I now know what it is like to unfortunately lose relationships or be looked at in a different ways. So Shauna I'm right there with you. I'm not just helping people, but I'm also starting to work through this myself. So thank you for chatting with me today and hopefully we can all continue to figure this out together. But thanks so much for coming on the show.

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1:06:58 Her and I can get on here. We can sell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now it feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you've ever seen one of. These things, you need you tell, because if you don't, then shame on you. You have. Shame on you.