The Most Treacherous Bigfoot Road | Oregon

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0:43 He's an individual that I have had the pleasure of meeting actually last year out there in sasquat Summerfest at Oakridge. You may remember him from the Flash of Beauty documentary, but he's been involved with many other things over the years that we will probably end up talking about with Jeff. How are you doing today, sir. Doing great? Jeremiah, Thanks for having me. On, absolutely so I've talked about the Oregon Bigfoot Highway book before and how much I really like to read it, and listeners probably remember that. But what I just recently found out is that you're actually one of the individuals that were involved with the events of that book, which is the area of road from Estacada going down to Detroit Lake, Oregon, and it's a very, very wild bigfoot area.

1:44 There's a lot of really interesting encounters and interactions in that book. So pretty much what I've decided to do is I'm going to try to interview the individuals that are called out in that book that are still currently with us. So, Jeff, you are. You are the first one on the docket, So I'm thankful that you were able to come on the show. But let's start out with this, Jeff, what was it that got you into the wild world of Bigfoot? To begin with? Well, I think it was the first time I saw the Patterson Gimlin clip at a movie theater when I was young, and you know, they were watching a different movie and that they showed a little clip and I instantly was like, yep, they're real, And I think from then that was the get go for me.

2:40 That's awesome. When was the first time that you actually crossed I feel like there's there's a there's a barrier that you cross, or there's a you kind of cross a bridge where you go from Yeah, bigfoot school too. All right, now I'm going to go out in the woods and try to look for this thing. What was the time that you you crossed that bridge? Yeah, I think it was. I think in like two thousand and nine, everything really took off for me. I know, when I was in high school, my buddy Scott and I would say, hey, let's go to Mount Saint Helens and bag us a big foot and joke around about that a lot. And uh and when I was younger, we had a one acre piece of property not too far from Mount Saint Helens. But uh so, you know, I was kind of familiar with like the Bigfoot country.

3:34 It was kind of by aerial Washington where Dbe Cooper supposedly landed from the plane that he hijacked or you know, got the money and all that. Anyway, Uh, yeah, two thousand and nine, I think things really amped up for me. I joined a website called Oregon bigfoot dot Com for you know, like five bucks a month, you can become a member and then there's like a you know, chat rooms you can get into and people leave messages and you can talk chat back and forth. And so I met a group of people from that website and it we kind of grew into a family and had a lot of outings together after that, And so that's kind of what propelled me into this a little further and deep I am grateful for her in that website. She brought together a lot of good people in my life and was a big help to me to move away from Leah. Let's go back a big foot to Okay, these are people in the forest, you know what I mean?

4:39 Oh, okay, So that's interesting, Jeff. So when you say bag us a bigfoot in high school, you were actually trying to get a specimen with your buddy. Yeah, we never did. We just talked about it. We were too chicken to do it. But you know, I just always thought, you know, we could go out there and catch one, you know what I mean. I didn't have the knowledge or the respect for these forest people back in the day. And uh, you know, once I started doing more research and reading a lot of people's you know, first hand accounts and you know, and then the videos came out on YouTube and stuff like that. That's when I kind of got serious about, uh, you know, the Susquatched people and what it's all about. And I met other people who were very wise and had spent kind of a lifetime living amongst them on their properties, and you know, I listened to people who knew more than me, and and uh, I just gained the respect for you know, Bigfoot that they're actually people. And it didn't take a long time to go from you know, their ape running around the woods to they're they're actually uh forest people that have families, culture, you know, they have language and and all that. I mean, there there are people. So I'm kind of rambling.

6:09 I answered the question that is, you absolutely did. Actually that's fascinating. So now when you and your buddy when you were doing stuff around Mount St. Helens, did you have anything out of the ordinary happen when you were in there trying to get something done? Okay, Well, like I said, we never actually went went out there. Oh so it was it was all talk. You know, we never did go out there. And uh, oh, I know I probably drove out in areas, you know, thinking I wanted to find one and I would well like for instance, and when I got my first car, I drove out to Estacada, Oregon, and then I thought, I was like, well, man, I'm way out in the country.

6:56 And then the next time I drove out there, I'm driving down the clack and was the river corridor, and I'm like, wow, I'm really out in the country. And then every time I went out, I went further and further and further. And I remember one time, it was around two thousand and nine, I drove, I drove past bag the hot springs, the parking lot area, and I hit a gravel road and I turned and got all the way down to where another gravel road spurred off of that one, and I got out and I had to, you know, take a pee break, and I felt like I was being watched. And I didn't walk very far away from my vehicle, and I just got the weird feeling that I was being watched, and I was like, it's coming right from that spot, right there in the woods, and I kind of got scared, hopped on my rig and took off. Well, I don't know if it was a year or two later down that other gravel road is where I ended up finding this spot that I call Camp Broken Arrow, and it's like another mile and a half from that spot I just talked about. But h and then oh so so, once I got a little more daring and had another person with me, I'm chicken when I'm by myself, but if I have someone else with me, I feel perfectly fine. Well, I went back to that spot where I'd parked my car, and I walked into the woods where I thought I was being watched, and there was the perfect blind made from little trees that were probably I don't know, ten twelve

8:28 feet tall with broken tops. They're all lined up, and in my mind it looked like that was a spot where someone was tall could have hide in there and watch people come down that road. And that's exactly where I felt like I was being watched. That's why. And yeah, I even took Tom Powell, a friend of mine. He's written a couple of books and he's kind of well known in the bigfoot world out here in the Pacific Northwest. I took him to that spot and I showed him and he said that was the best blind that he has ever seen in the woods, and you know, we both kind of agree that, yeah, that possibly is a blind that you know, the forest people could use to hide and watch.

9:14 So that's fascinating. That was by Bagbee Hot Springs. Yeah, it's past bag Hot Springs. Yeah, instead of yeah yeah wow. So yeah, I am. Actually I'll be talking to Tom in two weeks. I have something set up because you know, just also talk about his new book. But also he is also one of the members of the Clackamis Squatchians that we're part of the Oregon Big Foot Highway. But yeah, what is Do you mind spending a few minutes talking about? What is the Oregon Bigfoot Highway? Yeah, well it's Joe bel Art his idea and uh is co author Cliff Wilson. And anyway, they they came up with a with a well kind of made it into a club where to become a big part of the Oregon Bigfit Highway group, you had to spend x amount of nights per year out in the woods out there, and I think there were a couple of other qualifications that you had to you had to meet. And so I was chatting with Joe one time and he was asking me, well, I guess he was writing the book at the time, and so anyway, we chatted and apparently I made the grade, and so he put me in the book.

10:37 You have a few instances that are talked about in that book that are that are pretty interesting. I do also, I'll probably end up saying this in every episode where I talked to someone from it. So the actual route is so it's primarily like forty six to two twenty four, which are I believe they're both forest roads. You can correct me if I'm off on that. But the this is not just like a like you don't just simply walk into it, Like there are some very strongly worded if you're gonna go near this area, you need to have your stuff together. You may need to make sure your tires are full, you have enough gas, and you have all the tools.

11:29 Like. This isn't just you know, someone's listening to this and be like, oh, this sounds fun. You need to have your stuff together. It's uh, it's pretty pretty far out there from from what I've never been out there myself, but it sounds like it's it's quite a trip to get out in this this areas that you're you're referring. To, Yeah, I mean there you can go from Messicada straight down to Detroit, Oregon, and uh, you know it's a tricky little highway. Uh you know, you you always fill up, you top your tank off in this Deicada before you head down. And yeah, you better have ten ply tires. You better, you know, have all the survival things that you need if you get stuck, you know, for a couple of nights. Always let somebody know you're going before beforehand. And I think the only uh there's an old Ranger station several miles down that road that is sometimes open. It's a little store now I think privately operated store, but it's seasonal and they have a Wi Fi signal in there and a landline phone if you need help. Tom and I use that one time.

12:35 That's another story. Uh maybe we'll get into that later. But uh yeah, so you've got to be prepared, and you got to be you just don't go down in there and you never in the weather is something you gotta worry about. I was driving around there, it might have been wintertime, and I was trying to get the bag of the hot springs, and something told me that because when you go to Bagby, you got to take two right hand turns and go down a different road to get there, but you follow the Clackamus and then you turn right where the calla wash River is. Well. I decided to go further down the clack in this river corridor toward Detroit, just just because there was a woman and a young child in a car trying to make it to Detroit in the wintertime. When the highways close a couple miles down from where they were, it's blocked off, and they were stuck in the snow, and they were ill prepared. And something told me to go down there and check it out, and I ended up helping her get unstuck and told her how to get back to the main roads and go all the way around and anyway, it's really foolish for her to do that.

13:43 But yeah, no, it can be very treacherous. I mean when rain, you always carry a saw of some kind because you never know if you go down to gravel road, there might be a tree down owing to trying to get back out, so you got to be prepared. You're talking about like a handsaw. All chainsawn. Yeah, I mean, especially especially right right now where I mean some of the some of the ranger stations are closed. I mean, you go out on roads like this, you gotta be prepared because you might be in a situation where man, it's just you. But I think that's a good idea to have that stuff. Anyways, were you talking about ripple Brook?

14:29 Yes? Gotchah, Okay, okay. Interesting there's a part in the book where they talk about the ripple Brook station and how allegedly there is a log book where they've been writing down all of the Bigfoot encounters and interactions in that area, but it's never been proven. It's it's it's just like a little part of the book and in pretty much the author, which is either Joe or Cliff, is like, yeah, you know, we're not gonna go try to find them, but hey, if one of you guys wants to, there's a little quest for you. So I was like, oh, man, that sounds kind of fun. But yeah, you never know, right, I guess there could be, but you know, probably not.

15:19 Can you talk a little bit about the instance where you felt like or you were getting summoned to bag b Hot Springs. I think that's something we haven't talked about big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. Yeah, oh yeah, okay, yeah. It was October twelfth, two thousand and nine. I believe it was Columbus Day. It was a Monday, and working for the Post Office, I had that day off of work, and for some reason, I got up really early and I probably got online, was looking up bigfoot stuff and having some coffee, and I was by myself in my apartment and I got this voice inside my head that said, go to Bagbe Hot Springs. I kind of looked around and I went out to the living room to see if a TV was on or the radio came on or something. And I was like really shocked that I heard this voice.

16:35 And it was like it wasn't a voice from the outside, it was a voice on the inside of my head. And I had actually heard this voice before telling me to do something, and I did not do it, and a lot of bad things happened because I didn't obey it. So after about a couple hours, I said, you know what, I've driven to Bagbe Hot Springs a lot, but i've never gotten out and that did the mile and I have hype up to it. But I'm going to obey this boys, So I'm going to do it today. And I thought for sure, as I was hiking up that trail, I'm gonna see Bigfoot. There's gonna be a family standing there there. We're gonna hug each other and fine and and all that kind of funny stuff. And it took me forever to hike up there because I was taking my time, and I was going off the beaten path a little bit, and I was looking every I was just looking everywhere for clues, you know, I was looking for prints, I was looking for bodies. I was you know, uh.

17:28 And anyway, I finally get up to where the where all the hot springs is, uh and the and the tubs, and I'd never been up there before. So I get all the way to get all the way there, and I I just kind of like, well, okay, nothing happened. I give up whatever. I'm just gonna enjoy the uh the hot springs and look around and check things out. Well. I checked out the big, big hot tub, the community hot tub, checking it out. And I turned around and looked and there's a little bit of ground, a little slope that went up of hard ground. It hadn't really rained much yet, and there's a lot of pine needles on the ground, and it was hard packed dirt, and it looked over there and I could see all these footprints.

18:13 So I walked over and I found my first set of tracks, and I got down on my knees. I took some pictures, crappy pictures, and I even sniffed the ground and I was saying, thank you, thank you, And that's how I found my first tracks. That's incredible. Do you remember, like roughly how long they were or anything like that. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't bring anything to measure it, but I have a I can send you a picture later. But uh, ok, yeah, I mean they were I mean if they were probably at least fifteen inches long at least. I mean, I can't remember for sure, but i'll shoot you off the picture later. But yeah, they were good eyes and you can see like where they must have been kind of running down that little slope, and they were really I think I had to take two huge steps, uh to match their you know, one step and you can see like you can see a left footprint and then you can see like where the right toe kind of dragged on the ground and the pine needles were, uh moved like it. I called a toe drag, and then it ran down to some bushes and it was like it seemed like whatever was walking on that ground had like ran back and forth behind those bushes because that all the pine needles were just pushed all over the place like it was like somebody got in a fight or something, you know what I mean. And uh,

19:45 but the the ground was kind of it wasn't real wet, but it was damp. And you know, if you had bare feet and you were walking on these pine needles, as you lift your foot, those pine needles are gonna come off, come up off your foot and you can see the uh footprint that left behind because of pineal removed from the ground. And so that that's what I saw. And part of me thinks that maybe when I was looking at the big main h tub, maybe it was watching me. I don't know absolutely. I mean, I've I myself have gotten a few reports from that area over the years, used to do a call in show. Someone called in one time regarding that. I think I've even seen some on Oregon Big Fat Highway that website as well. What was the what were the sounds of the forest and the smells like at that.

20:42 Point oh boy, I don't know, just your typical. Okay, October day, gotcha? Gotcha? So nothing nothing super crazy, No, like deafeningely quiet, you know that kind of deal. Yep, Yeah, not that I remember. I mean I don't remember. I don't remember what I was hearing as I was walking up the trail. I mean, I think I was so intent on finding something walking up that trail that my memory just hasn't served me about any of that. I didn't know. I guess I just didn't notice anything weird like that. But that's happened to me before. Yes, but yeah, gotcha. Did you ever get to go out and do any research with Henry Franzoni?

21:32 No? I never went in the woods with him. Yeah he did. Yeah. He did speak at my paranormal bigfoot conference that I held about fifteen or thirteen, fourteen years ago. I called it Footstock Northwest, and Joe Bilert urged me to call him and have him come out and speak one day. So he came out and talked, and he probably could have talked the whole weekend. And he came to my house one time when I had a group of people over and sat around with fire and listen to some of the stories and stuff that. Yeah, never did go out and the with Henry. He was he was a great, great dude. I never got to meet him personally, but man, I enjoyed talking to him. Let's talk about footstock for a little bit.

22:17 So that was a Was it a one day conference that you had put together? It was a two day I think it was a short Oh no, maybe it was a one day. You think I'd remember. I think we had I think we had to get together on the Friday afternoon and evening and in the next day we just had a little conference. So yeah, maybe forty people showed up. I was on Facebook back then and I didn't really advertise it because there was a lot of local people that were going to be involved. And then a couple of friends drove all the way from Idaho to be there, people that I'd met on the Oregon Bigfoot dot com And uh, yeah it was it was a fun time. I mean we were able to talk about, you know, a little bit more of the weirder stuff, and uh, Tom Powell, Tom Contrell, Joe bial Art, and Henry showed up. Yeah, there was there was a few people there and I don't think I had that many experiences to share at the time, but everyone that went there thought it was a pretty cool deal. I enjoyed it. I want to do it again sometime.

23:19 Where did that Where did that take place at? That took place at Fiala Farms uh in West Lynne, Oregon, YEP on John Johnson Road. I had, okay, there's a funny story behind that too. So uh years ago, I read this uh eye witness account of these two pheasant hunters out in the Canby, Oregon area on the I think they were on private property that I think the Molala River was on the property. And I read this account of these two guys pheasant hunting and they were heading back to the jeep after hunting that morning, and they saw something coming at him at an angle quite quite a ways away, and they thought, oh, look at that, there's a horse walking toward us. And they kept walking and that thing was gaining on him pretty fast. And then they realized that's not a horse. There's no rear end to that thing. And then they and then they uh actually stood like within like several feet of it, face to face. It was a younger bigfoot and they they were standing there, you know, in shock and the so one one guy took off running and and the other guy just stood there for a while. And uh yeah, his name was Rich Rich Fiola. He stood there and and and the bigfoot took one step toward him and

24:51 and Rich took off running after his buddy. And he didn't even know his buddy had run off. And so it was a very very well written encounter. And I rem remember that was my favorite one. Well, I was on my mail route out in the West Lynne area, out in the country and I just happened to run into Rich Fiela finally, and the topic of bigfoot came up. And he was the one who actually wrote that encounter and sent it into the df R O. So that's kind of how we hit it off. And then we he'd always wanted to do a little conference type thing and so we did it right there at the fiel of Farms. That's really interesting, so that that is that interaction literally came up on when you were doing one of your male roots. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah, that's so cool. How often would that happen where like you'd be doing mail and you'd be like, oh, hey, do you you in a bigfoot or was that kind of a one, one time deal.

25:52 It happened a couple of times. I think I think I had been talking I had been talking to well, I had a I knew a guy who his in laws lived just down the road. And I remember when we were this guy named Jean. He and I were managers for Domino's Pizza, and he was telling me about his girlfriend at the time and now his wife. His girlfriend's parents' house was right on the to Wallaton River in West Lynne and and they would hear these crazy screams at night sometimes in it and uh and it and then it ends up I ended up getting the mail route delivering to that family for years and uh.

26:32 And then like one thing led to another, I would I talked to another neighbor and asked about, had you ever heard any weird screams? And and then they said, yeah, we we did. The kids used to camp down by the river, and they'd all always end up in the house because they were all scared. And this one guy said, yeah, you should go talk to rich Fiala. And so I ended up like the next day I ran into rich Fiala and we had that conversation, and you know, I told him about the well, he told me about his siding and the hell and I knew his sighting because it was my favorite one I ever read on the BFRO site. That's some crazy synchronicity going on there, Jeff. And holy man, that's just that's just a day in a life.

27:14 Jeff Browner, That's awesome and it's it's very cool you bring up the west Land area. I had an episode way back in the day where an individual came on and shared about his experiences in the west Land area and just so much feedback from listeners like, nah, that would never happen. You'd never have bigfoot in just across the river from Portland, blah blah blah. And I mean that feedback is okay, but it's like, man, this stuff can happen close to bigger cities. I mean, oh for sure. And I think that might have been the very first episode of years that I ever came across. I heard the guy talk about that, and I think that's why, Yeah, I remember this need to that, and I think I made several comments in the comment section myself. But uh, you know, right right in West Lynne, there's the there. Well, the willamt Rivers right there, and there's the Oregon City Falls, there's a there's a you know, they have locks there, you know, for boats to go through the locks channel. Well, and there's the Willlamott Falls right there. Anyway, legend has it that the white man used to have to share those the waterfalls to catch fish. And maybe it was a Native Americans that shared it. But uh, but yeah, I

28:45 mean there's there's stuff, a lot of history a big Foot in that area. That's why I want to clarify some real quicks because we had a weird interference for a second. So you're saying that the white men would share that area with uh the big Foot or. Yeah, well yeah you could fish, you could go fishing right there at the Wlanet Falls and so yeah, the legend has it that they had to share the falls with the Bigfoot people. That's fascinating. Holy Macro, I got I gotta look more into this area. For sure. There's something you alluded to earlier. And just so that it doesn't not it's just so it doesn't happen, not happen. Would you this story about Tom and the phone call in Ripplebrook, is that something you can actually share that story or.

29:40 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well let me just one real quickly. Okay. I know a guy named Joe, a friend of mine named Joe. He lived in West Lynne up on Peet's Mountain. There's a road called Schaeffer Road and it's on the other side of the Twalton River and goes up five six, seven hundred feet. He and his buddy when they were in high school, we're building a tree fort and you got this whole side of the mountain which faces toward the actual town of Westland. Basically, well, he's in a tree and he hears something walking through the woods and he looks down and there's some reggae looking Harry dude walking underneath the tree. And so you know, this is probably in the late nineteen eighties, early nineties maybe, But and his friend saw it too, So yeah, there's more than one big foot sighting in that Westling area over the years.

30:33 BIG's a societyho will be right back after these messages, did we okay, did he say why he described it as a reggae looking guy? Yeah, because it was all Harry and it's yes, hair was sort of you know, you know, Braiden and all that we have. We had the discussion about Spirit Lake. Did this happen out in Oakridge?

31:15 I don't know if I talk to you about any of that, but I have heard other people say that they saw that same kind of hairstyle on their big foot sightings. Yeah. Absolutely, So that's really that's crazy you brought that up. So, yeah, there's I had a call in once where an individual got chased out of the Spirit Lake, Oregon area by a few bigfoot that looked like they had dreadlocks, pretty similar to how you were just describing. So that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dreadlocks. Yeah. I had a friend named Dale who told me that he was driving out in Ido somewhere and the roads will curvy and and he saw something walk across the road that had dreadlocks and it was all dark and hairy, and by the time he went around the corners to catch up to it, it was gone, but he dreadlocks thicknness.

32:02 There could be there could be something there. Man, that's that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, m hm, that's awesome. Yeah, you're thinking about that for a while. Yeah, So what do you think Tom story? Oh? Oh yeah, well yeah, Tom Palell, Tom Powell and I went to my camp Broken Arrow for a couple of nights, and in one of the days we hiked up to bag the hot springs. We hiked up there, and then as we were coming back down the trail wasn't very wide, but it was well traveled, we see we see something laying on the ground. We see like a white belly and white legs, but you can't see the head. And he goes, Tom goes, that looks like a dead body. Jeff, I'm like, what the heck. Well, some eighty something year old man had hiked up there by himself and he I guess he'd been over to tie his shoe and he had a backpack on. Well, he fell backwards and he broken off stick that was in the ground completely cut the side of his head wide open, and he was all bloody, and we thought he was dead. And then we we ended up helping him up. And so I ran down the trail and hopped into my rig and went to that Ripple Brook store and called nine to one one and and uh and they you know, they set an ambulance and this guy should not have been driving. He said he almost drove it into the Clacus River like three different times.

33:35 I don't know if he had medication he wasn't taking or or something, but it was a wild ride. I mean, it doesn't sound like much of an exciting story, but it was pretty weird. No, that's extremely exciting, Jeff. How many times have you saved people from almost are probably dying in this area? I mean I'm counting two so far. That's that's intense, dude. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, you get you get older, and you know, you even if you's going for a hike through the woods, you want to be with somebody. You got to have a partner, because like Tom and I were walking through the woods that weekend and it's hard to walk through the woods because there's so much underbrush and broken limbs and pieces of you know, wood and stuff, and I kind of I kind of jammed my ankle and it still bugs me to this day. You know, you know, if I couldn't walk, I would have been kind of stuck, you know.

34:28 Yeah, I mean absolutely, and that I mean another reason probably why you wouldn't want to go out by yourself in these areas is there's always the possibility where you could stumble upon individuals that are are not the most They're not wanting you to be there because of their let's say they're growing things or whatever. Who knows. But I mean you really don't want to be out there by yourself usually. Yeah. Yeah, we were worn by We were worn by uh, the couple we're running that Ripplebrook store to not go up Fish Lake Road. And and if you went up there and you left your car there and went for a hiking came back, your car might not be there, or just the just the chassis would be there. Oh wow, Yeah, yeah, there's a lot. Was went up there a few years ago in late at night and there were people and campfires all over the place. It was a lot of homeless people up there. It was it was scary. That's that's when I started carrying at all times.

35:34 Yeah. Absolutely, I mean you need to do what you need to do in order to protect yourself out there. You know you had mentioned Camp Broke an Arrow a little bit. Do you mind sharing about in the book. There's an expedition that's that's written about that had some really interesting things happen. I think. Yeah, a group of my group of my friends that I met on Oregon bigfoot dot Com. We got together there and he met and mister Kaid and headed out there. Jim Domain of Idaho, let's see, was Greg Walker with us. I can't remember everybody was there, Sue and Tom Contrell was one of the main characters. So Tom, Tom Control, Uh, we get we get the camp broken arrow and Tom wasn't feeling good and he had some medical issues and he had a little walker that he used to get around and he didn't get around very quick at all.

36:28 And our friend Sue kind of was taking care of him, making sure he was okay and just looking after him. Well, we kind of set up camp and I looked at my friend Jim and I said, Jim, we might be hauling Tom out of here in the back of your pickup. He looks like death. And and that night I think it was a three yeah, three nights, all three nights. Well, I think the first night, I'm in a tent a little bit aways away from where Sue and Tom Control were sleeping in their tan at and we heard their tent zipper unziped, and we heard them get out and walk and talk stop and talk, walk stop, talk, and we're like, what what our Sue and Tom doing up at like, you know, two o'clock in the morning, in the middle of the night, walking around when he could barely even move, you know, that evening before. Well, you could hear them talking. It was their voices, but you couldn't make out what they were saying. And I remember thinking, Okay, this is very concerning. I need to go find out what's going on. And I reached for the tent zipper and I started unzipping it and I went, ah, they're fine, zipped back up and went back to bed. Well, Jim said he did the same thing, because he and I were in the same tent. He did the same thing. Well, next day, Tom's the last one to come out of the tents, and we had all already had coffee and started breakfast. I see Tom walking down real slow. He

38:00 wasn't using a walker. I said, hey, Tom, what were you and Sue doing walking around in the middle of night last night? He goes, He goes, hell, ha, wasn't me. I this is the first time I've been out of my tent since since I hit the hay. He goes, well, I'll tell you. I'll talk to you later about this. Well, it turns out that I think they had heard I might get some of the details wrong, but I thought they said they heard something walk up to the tent, and then Sue could hear this vibrational sound, and I think there was a light. Well anyway, Tom says, well, yeah, that vibration's coming from my chest. Well, whatever it was, it was working on his heart, healing up his heart, so that next day he looked like twenty years younger.

38:43 And I believe it happened all three nights and by the end of the trip he was like a new man. It was absolutely unbelievable. Do you have any thoughts about what could have caused that that experienced? Jeff Well, I think the healing powers that possibly the forest people can can can do on other people, other beings, I think I think that might have been it. Mm hmm. It's you know, it's it's not the time. It's not the first time that something like that has come up in this this show is it's very very interesting to consider that and to look at all the different reports about like you know, this happened in my house, or this happened when I went out, and yeah, yeah, just some some really interesting stuff.

39:39 Well, I got it something like that just happened to me last week. If you want to hear. About that, yes, definitely. And so, uh so, a couple of weeks ago, Priscilla, you know from Oak Ridge, she texts me, messaged me and she said, hey, my friend Pam watched one of our videos, you know, the Area fifty eight museum videos that Priscilla's been putting out. And she said, yeah, I saw the video you just put out, and she said she was looking at me in the video and was concerned that I was having some health issues. And so Pam had texted that to Priscilla, and I guess I texted Priscilla at the same time. So Priscilla was forwarding all the messages Pam was giving her about me. And then all of a sudden, I got really concerned about my health because I had been kind of feeling like, feeling really down, not feeling very good, and I felt like I was having stomach issues. My dad died of stomach cancer six years ago, and it's always kind of bothers me that. Yeah, and in my stomach and my guts were kind of hurting, and I was getting really concerned.

40:57 And so then you know, Pam's kind of been intwo of gal and relaying that her feeling her message to me, And so about a week goes by, maybe two weeks later, this just this just happened the other day where I was. I went to bed and I felt my stomach was kind of screwed up, and I remember laying on my side thinking, heal me, heal me, and I fell asleep saying that to myself, heal me, heal me. Well, a couple hours later, I woke up to a jolt. I felt like my body was full of like electricity or something or vibrating, and I kind of felt like my whole body just jumped off the bed and and it was the weirdest feeling. And then I don't know if it was like an how the body type experience where some people talk about how where their soul these their body, they can they feel a separation of some kind, and then when they get slammed back into their body, there's sort of a shocking feeling. That's kind of what it was like. And I woke up and I was kind of scared and I and I just said heal me, heal me, and I went back to sleep, and then a little while later, I feel my whole all my my stomach and my whole belly area vibrating and sort of electrified or something that's kind and hard to explain.

42:14 And and then I felt like something just like there was a string attached to all that sensation, and something just like ripped it right out of my body. And I woke up. I was kind of scared again, and I laid there and I said, heal me, heal me. And then I felt the same thing happening to my right shoulder and I had I had a major surgery on it a year and a half ago, and I could feel my the surgery area doing the getting tingled and vibrating or whatever kind of an electrical impulse, and just like somebody had a string attached to it, yanked it right out of my shoulder and it was gone.

42:55 And I woke up and I fell back to sleep, and I haven't felt I feel so much better now. It's like I got healed or something. I don't know. I don't have any pains in my stomach or anything like that. And so then I so then I started I texted Priscilla, and I guess Pam had just texted her at the same time, and so she relayed my messages to Pan and it was just really weird. Dude. I don't know what that was, but I feel one hundred percent better than I did, like just a couple of weeks ago. That is. That is incredible, Jeff. It reminds me of a gentleman I've been talking to from the Mount Rainier area who had it's a very very similar thing happened with the different parts of his body, specifically his back being affected, but then healed. The difference between his account and yours is afterwards then he had to deal with some weird stuff happening around his house. And hopefully that's not the case for yourself. But that I've noticed, that's good.

44:03 And that just happened last week, he said. Yeah, just a few days ago. Wow, Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's very very interesting. It'd be interesting if so. The area is very interesting, as we both know and listeners know, because you know, we just I just talked to Priscilla and it's come up in different and man, hmm, I wonder oh boy. Yeah, Okay, I'm going to keep that in mind to you because you are an individual that's going up to the Oak Cole area quite a bit with that with the group. Be interesting, something like that happens to anyone else in the group as well. So well, we'll see. Yeah over the years, Jeff, what do you think the closest that you've gotten to a big foot when you've been out has been.

44:57 Right next to it? Okay? He protected. Yeah, how's that for an answer? That's cool? Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages? Yeah. Uh so my buddy Jim Demaine, he's some or female Idaho. We he has a spot out there we call Antler Creek and uh uh, I want. I didn't make it out there the first year that he was going there, but I got there the second year and we I think we stayed three nights up there. Well. Uh.

45:43 He had set up this great, big canvas tent that he used to use when he went Elk country all the time. And uh and so I had a cot at the back side of the tent and he had a cat on the toward the front on the on the left side if you're looking out the front door. And the first night, we everybody crash and everyone's sleeping and I'm laying there on that cot, and beyond the cot on that end of the tent was a dead end road, and I hear this incredible crashing sound coming through the woods, like a train going through the woods, and it woke me up. And then I could hear something big and heavy walking toward the tent, and I thought to myself, Oh, they're here. And I sat up on my I sat up in bed, I sat up on the cot, and whatever it was walked right up to the edge of the tent and stood right next to me on the other side of that canvas, and I could hear it breathing and handling and exhaling, and I thought, whatever that is, that's got to be at least ten feet tall, because you can hear the breathing way up high. And then then I hear like the bitter pattern of little feet running down the gravel road.

47:00 And then you could hear our like pots and pans and coolers being opened and shut and played with. And then whatever was standing next to me at the end of the edge of the tent walked around the tent and walked into the camp. That happened all three nights that we were there. So I mean, can I say that was really a forest person, big foot, sasquatch, whatever, stating in there. No, I can't really say for sure because I didn't see it, but it certainly seemed like it. I don't know what else it could have been. Did you ever get the did at any time where you're like, man, maybe I should look at the tent? Maybe not?

47:41 No, isn't that the weirdest thing? Yeah, it's like you Well, I sat up, it walked up to the tent, I thought, oh, maybe I better lay back down. And once I laid back down, pin pot or pinner patter, and then the big guy walked around the edge of the tent and into the camp. And then next thing I know, I'm dead asleep. Okay, oh my goodness. It's like, okay, I'm gonna ask him next. Did he fall to sleep immediately? Yeah? Yeah, Because like through I talked to people multiple times daily and so, and I'm also like really good at finding patterns, and I'm like, do everyone who has these encounters like you're saying, it's like boom, they go to sleep immediate, and like why is that? I'm trying to figure out why that is?

48:30 You know, oh they put you out? Yeah, you think so. Oh yeah, no doubt in my mind. Yeah, it tapping several times to me, So yeah, it's crazy. Did because you had other people in that campsite with you? Correct? Correct? Did they have similar experiences where they were hearing stuff and things? Uh? Well, at this Idaho camp there were probably four or five tents set up, and uh well, I'll tell you whatever. Another thing that happened one of the nights, after the big guy walked up, little ones ran in. I fell back to sleep. I woke up because I thought the cops had showed up. They were like these swirling these lights. I could see through the canvas, like these orange and yellowish lights, and I thought, what the heck are the cops doing here? There's lights everywhere. And then I put my glasses on and realized that I'm seeing what look like fire in the sky all around me, you know, around the tent. And then I looked out the front of the tent and our fire had started up all by itself. And I stared, and I think I rubbed my eyes and I said, Jim, wake up.

49:44 He's like huh, I said, Jim, our fire started up all by itself. And he leaned forward and looked toward the front, and he's like, oh, it did well. There were two dancing flames side by side, just going up from like three or four feet low to ten or twelve feet tall, just side by side, two flames dancing dancing away, and there were two ten foot tall dark beans walking around it clockwise. And we sat there. Well, we both agreed. It was like fifteen twenty minutes. We sat there and watched. None of us even thought about getting out and you know, walking out there. We just sat there on our cots. And then the fire completely died down pitch to pitch darkness, and we both were out instantly. I heard Jim snore, and Jim says he heard me snore first. That's the only difference in our account of that happening that is different.

50:43 Oh wow, so you you with your eyes actually saw these two things walking around. Yes, oh, man, Jeff well in, Jeremiah. It took a year for that to sink in. Jim and I would talk on the phone. Jim and I would talk on the phone, you know, like once a week for a whole year, and and uh, one time I called him up. I said, hey, Jim, remember the dancing flames He's like, yep, because I've been meaning to talk to you about that. I said, there's more to it, right, He's like, Yep. It took us a year for our brains to allow us to remember that we saw the two figures walking clockwise around the dancing flames.

51:28 What do you think it is that that those two figures were that you saw? Well, I want to say they were forest people. Other people have told me that that might not be such a nice entity, but I don't want to go there. I mean, I don't discount that it could have been something else and uh but anyway, uh, in my mind, I want to I want to say it was some type of some type of ceremonial uh thing that we were allowed to watch, some kind of ancient ceremonial type of you know deal. I don't know. I've asked a lot of people what they might think this is, and that's pretty much the best answer I can come up with.

52:16 Yeah, that's interesting. It would be really interesting to know if the area that you guys were in had a history of like being used by Native Americans in the area for things like that, or just what the history of it was, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tell you off air a little. Bit more about that, gotcha. Got I don't. I don't want to give the location. I don't want to give the location away completely. I totally get it. When you would wake up the next morning, would you see anything outside that you're like, oh, man, well look at that right there. No, it's funny because like after okay, something happened. I think every night that over that three night span, and it like the next morning it was like, you know, I get up, make coffee and you know, start bowl crappling with some of the other guys that were there, and an hour or two goes by it and it's like, holy crap, I just remember what happened last night. You guys got to hear this. It's like I woke up and, like you forget all about it for a while and then all of a sudden, bam, your memory comes back.

53:24 But like the after the dancing flames, we looked in the fire pit. There was a paper plate, I want to say, a plastic spoon or a fork in a like a plastic or a paper cup in the fire. So the fire wasn't real. Although some of the gals that were in their their own tents. They didn't really see the flames, but they could they could they could hear the fire crackle. I mean, they could tell there was a fire going on, but nobody got out to look at it. But they didn't see the flames like Jim and I did, but they knew there was a fire. I don't remember hearing the crack lean of the fire, but other people in the camp did hear the crackling of the fire, but it wasn't a real fire that I know of.

54:08 M's that's that is so extremely interesting. Idaho has some weird, weird stuff happened out there, just weird stuff. Man. Do you think that's the one time where you've had potentially a visual sighting of something that could have been like a bigfoot forest person. Well, I've had a couple maybe if well, we did see in twenty twenty one. It was July first, twenty twenty one. Jim, Jim and I went to that spot and it was during we had a heat wave out here in the Pacific Northwest. I mean it was like one hundred and fifteen plus out here. Oh my god. And we stayed one night and the horse flies are so bad. It was just miserable. We got up. We got up the next morning kind of early, and Jim looked at me. I looked at him, and you said, you want to get out of here. I'm like, yeah, this isn't working. And we I think it was two tenths of a mile down the road, following a creek.

55:05 We see it about a twelve foot tall male sasquatch standing in the creek. Really yep, yeah, well I first saw it. I think it was bending over, but it was massive. When it was bent over, it was massive. And then I told Jim to stop. I just saw a big sasquatch. So he had to back up a little bit because the trees were blocking the view. And he backed up a little bit and he goes, oh, I see it too, And then it stood up all the way and I believe it realized there's a truck with a couple of guys in it staring at me, and it was exit stage left in a hurry. I mean it was gone in an instant.

55:48 Wow, you're saying around twelve foot tall. That's that's what I think in my home. Man, Yeah, it was massive. Did it look similar you know? Uh? Well, I'll ask you this so what you saw that day. Have there been any other representations that have come close to what you saw that day. That I've seen personally? Yeah, like in media or you know things like that. Oh no, not really, because you know, you got you got the Patty and the Patterson Gidman film. You know the female. This was way taller, way bulkier, uh, massive shoulders.

56:33 I could stretch my arms or my hands from side to side, stretch out my arms and it was probably that wide the shoulders. And we were we were gosh, we were less than two hundred feet away from it. That's that's pretty close, man. Mm hmm. Yeah, it was. It was amazing. It was. It was pretty cool. So well, it walked off by itself. It was you guys, you probably would have watched it forever. I'm guessing, Oh yeah. We I think maybe. I think maybe I saw it for a whole ten seconds, and Jim saw it for maybe a whole five seconds. Seemed like eternity. But it didn't walk away. It just was swosh gone. It went to its left and it was just a blur like like in the Flash of Beauty.

57:25 It was gone, there you go, he shout out, Flash of Beauty. Guys, check it out if you haven't checked it out. Jeffson Jeffson the first documentary. Right, yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's how I got in there. We got to town and I ended up texting a bunch of people and I called Joe bil Art told him about it, and he had just gotten interviewed by by the Flash of Beauty team and told them about me, and they interviewed me a couple of days later. Oh that's amazing. Wow. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary when it walked away about its gate or the way it moved. Yeah, well, it didn't walk away. It was just swush gone. I mean it like it went like floated to it's left.

58:06 Like I don't even ever seen it take a step. It was just gone. It's like a blur, a swosh and it was yeah, And it was standing in the creek in the water and it was just gone. M How often do you think about what you saw that day? Well? I think about it quite often. Yeah, I mean I don't dwell on it. I don't really dwell on it, but you know, you know from time to time. Would you ever want to see what you saw that day again?

58:48 Oh? Absolutely, yeah, sure. Did you get a pretty good look at the face of it then. Uh no, it was like seven point thirty in them, and the sun was coming and if the sun was at an angle, and there's a lot of trees around, so I wasn't able to make out any distinct features. It was like a solid black mass, is what I saw. I mean, it was so thick through the midsection and the legs. It was just you could tell it was super muscular, but you couldn't make out any facial features or anything like that. But it was. It was quite the sight, I gotta tell you. I mean, logically, there's nothing else in that area that fits the whole, like very muscular, super wide, twelve foot tall and just glides like swishes away. I mean, there's nothing else that could have been man like.

59:46 I don't know, no, no, I know, I've been up in an area before, you know, saw a moose down below in a creek or a river, and you know other you know, saw some wolves and stuff like that. But uh yeah, nothing like that. I mean, there's nothing else that could have been. Nothing that's wild, dude, wild wild. So I gotta go back and rewatch your your interviews on the Flasher of Beauty channel, guys, which you can. You should go do it. I'm sure all my listeners are are already subscribed to Flash of Beauty, but they should be. I'll have links in the show, yes to that. I wanna we're gonna, We're gonna kind of transition to something completely different. What do you think is going on up in the Oak Hole area?

1:00:39 Well, I think it's a magical place. Big for society will be right back after these messages. Whatever is there, it doesn't seem like us humans are really bugging bugging them. I know you've had experiences when you were there last July, you know, and Ronnie Roseman has been going to that spot for I don't know what ten years or so. He has never had a side anybody's had heard a lot of a lot of vocalizations and had a lot of weird stuff happened to him.

1:01:29 And uh, you know, we we were up there one time and Alicia and Priscilla heard these wooden knocking sounds, and so Steve and I and their son Ben we walked up to where they were and and we even heard some of these wooden knocking sounds also, and uh, Alicia was walking by herself one night down the road and heard something like step toward her, and then she asked it to take another step toward her, and it did, and she turned her around and was screaming and freaking out and ran back, ran back toward us and Steve and I heard leaning up against their minivan thing like, oh, wonder what's going on over there? And so we kind of let the girls just walk off by themselves because they seem to be a magnet. You know, We're we're kind of there for moral support, but there's you know, it just seems like every time we go up there, something weird happens, either to our electronics. And I think Alicia and Criscilla told you about how Alicia's voice recorder went flying off her car and landed on hit Steve in the foot while I was standing on the side of the car at the back end. And yeah, there went just whosh bam right down by his feet. I was a witness, and uh, you just you know, phones were locking up or running out of memory, and I don't know that it's a magical area, and and uh, yeah, I don't know what's going on up there, but it's going on. I'll tell you that.

1:03:00 Yeah, there's uh, there's it's affecting car batteries too, right. Oh yeah, it affects their car batteries sometimes. Yeah, man, that's it's it's a weird, weird. It is a magical place, though. I mean, that's really the perfect way to say it. I hopefully get it, you know, able to go up there again this July, of you will thought many a time of it thought, dude, let me tell you this. When I got back from there, I was having the most vivid dreams about that place.

1:03:41 It was insanity. I've never had vivid dreams like that, to the point where like I could see things like walking around in the meadow and dude, it was. It was messing with me for a few weeks, some really weird stuff, Jeff. But yeah, yeah, yeah it it definitely once, you bet, yeah, once you've been in that area, you're like, I gotta go back. It's kind of like, do you remember the old show Lost that was out, Like, you know, I don't think I ever thought, oh man, you never saw it. Okay, well, okay, here's here's the spoiler for anyone who has this Lost Skip ahead. But so they're trying to get off this island, and then they get off the island and then they're like, oh, we got to go back, you know, and then they try to get back to this place. It's like it just draws you back in. And I've talked to other people that have been up to that area and they're having the same thing. They're like, they're just being drawn back in.

1:04:38 I'm like, well, don't go by yourself, you know, go go with someone else, just in case, because you're way way out there. Right. Oh yeah, well that's how can't Well that's exactly how cant Broken Arrow was for me and Antrick Creek up in Idaho. You just you're drawn to it. I mean, you miss it, you need it, you know, it's like a party of you is there? Do I need to cut out the name in Idaho? The name it's not really called it. That's a made up name. That's the thing I love about Bigfooting is that people in the Bigfoot we always have our made up names for areas, love it.

1:05:21 Yeah. Yeah, well, well you you have the location. I sent you the location, right, yeah you did. But yeah, yeah, it's just magical. I tell you, good stuff, Jeff. It has been a pleasure to have you on the show. I mean we've been, we've we've talked about so many different things, and uh, it's just it's been really fun to see to be able to get your your whole story. And other people may have already known the whole Jeff story, but you know, now I have much more than just an individual I met at at Oakridge. So it's been a pleasure. Yeah, you got you got the tip of the iceberg.

1:06:03 All right, we'll talk. Yeah, maybe we'll have to talk again sometime. But is there anything that uh, you know, you uh, if people want to reach out to you or or or you know, follow what you're doing or anything like that that you want to shout out. Well, I mean I have a YouTube channel, but it's not really dedicated to anything other than just silly things that I post. But I would say if if people wanted to follow uh, Priscilla and Alicia's website Area fifty eight Museum on YouTube, you can you can find me there. Yeah, absolutely, because like they do these awesome vlogs where they go out and there's plenty of Jeff stuff in those those vogs of people are like, man, I want to watch Jeff get into some Adventures. I mean, that's that's the place to do it, so make sure you subscribe over there.

1:06:55 So yeah, yeah, we may mainly just go out there and goof off and then have fun and nothing too serious, but we're gonna, i think, one the weather gets nicer, we do a little bit more serious type stuff with the YouTube channel up there at PoCA Pole. But you know, can you never know what you're going to run into on the way home, like a big blue cloud of smoke. Man, Yeah, that's a little that's a little in joke for those that watch the channel. But are you going to be at the Oakrid Sasquatch Summerfest maybe, Jeff, Oh, I am for sure. Oh awesome. Well, there you go, guys. If you want to say hi to Jeff, you can probably find them around that festival this year in July eleventh through twelve. But man, Jeff, thank you so much for coming on this afternoon and for sharing what you've experienced over the years. It's been a pleasure.

1:07:47 Yeah, you're very welcome. I had fun. Thanks. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you Holman listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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