May 9, 2025

The Mysterious Creatures of Cottage Grove—Bigfoot’s Real

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Season 1

What happens when an ordinary man steps into the dense forests of Oregon—and encounters something extraordinary? Curtis, an Oregan native, takes us deep into Cottage Grove’s hills where his life took a shocking turn. In this captivating episode, Curtis recounts his first terrifying encounter with Bigfoot, from seeing giant footprints to witnessing Sasquatch behavior that left him forever changed. But that’s not all—he shares stories of strange encounters, alien sightings, and eerie phenomena he’s experienced in these very same woods. Curtis details his addiction to Bigfoot research and how, despite growing skepticism from others, he knows exactly what he saw.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's story isn't from a tourist or a hunter. It's

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from a man who lived in Oregon's Cottage Grove and

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spent countless hours in the thick forest. But what he

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encountered out there wasn't just another creature. This was something

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from the legends. He saw Bigfoot, heard its calls, and

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found its prints in the mud. But that wasn't all.

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Curtis also encountered strange, unexplained lights in the sky and

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even an alien like being. This is a first hand

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account of a man who found more than he bargained

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for in the woods, and it's a journey that will

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leave you wondering what's truly out there. To stay with us,

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all right, Big Society, I've got the privilege of talking

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to Curtis today. Curtis is an individual I got connected

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to and he's had some interesting things happen in the

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Cottage Grove area of Oregon. I believe we were connected

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after the Daryl Adams episode that I did, and this

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takes place back in the mid nineteen nineties, so it's

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going to be very interesting. But welcome to the show, Curtis.

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How's it going, man, I'm okay. Jeremiah, how are you.

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I'm doing great.

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It's starting to get warm out here in Iowa. I

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can't complain. The weather's good for now.

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They had I'm in South I'm in South Florida, so yeah,

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I know what the warmth is.

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Oh that's nice.

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Maybe I'll have to It's been a while since I've

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been on the Florida but that sounds pretty warmed down there.

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Man.

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I have to do that someday. But you know, Curtis,

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I've I've been wanting to connect with you for a while.

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I love talking to people about this area of Oregon,

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this Cottage Grove area over to Oakridge. We were talking

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about that before the show. But you know, you know,

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feel free to take us back to this this time

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frame of the mid nineteen nineties, and you know, if

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you can maybe share were you living here in the

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Cottage Grove area at that time.

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Actually what happened was I was living in Washington, about

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fifty miles south of Mount Saint Helens. Then I went

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down to visit my sister in Cottage Grove and ended

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up getting you know, some work and a job and

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visitation turned into a couple of years of working and

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and visiting and being in the cottage. Grove's pretty much.

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That's that.

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That's fantastic. So you became very, very familiar with how

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that area is. This isn't a thing where you were

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just driving through. You became pretty familiar. I would imagine.

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Exactly. I lived in town, I lived in Grove, gotcha, gotcha.

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But was always was always going out to the mountains

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and hills. I mean, all my friends and everybody, we

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all camped and hunting and you know, go out there

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and shoot guns and stuff like that. I mean, we're

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always in the hills.

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Now you spend some time down there, did you start

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to realize really quick that there's something going on out

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there in the woods. Were you hearing stuff like, oh,

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so and so saw something maybe it was a bigfoot?

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Or was that stuff not really talked about in the nineties.

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No, that it was not talked about. Bigfoot never crossed

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my mind in my entire life, even when I lived

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in Washington and didn't it. My first experience was my

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first experience was I was working. I was at a

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friend's house working on a woman's car for a van,

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got her van going, and she said, well, do you

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think it'll run. I said, yeah, let's put it on

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the road and test it. And we went to where

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I think Jeremiah is drain, but I the town drain gotcha,

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but I can't remember. It was out. It was west

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what I believe is west of Cottage Grove. And this

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was my first experience. So we get through her either

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her brother's farm or her uncle's farm, I don't know.

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She wanted to take a shower and get some pack

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a bag of clothes or something, I don't know. Anyway,

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waiting for her, I saw a rifle by the front door,

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so I grabbed that rifle, made sure it was loaded.

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And there was a little dog, like a little hunting

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dog type thing, and me and him just took a

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hike up into the hills, up into the mountain, well,

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the hill behind them, and we got up in there,

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me and that dog, and I heard a bunch of

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I don't know, branches break in and something was running. Okay,

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So I crouched down and the dogs stopped right next

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to me, and I crouched down and I'm looking through

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I'm looking up the hill, and you know in between

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the brush. Through the brush, I saw something brown run past. Okay,

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never had big foot in my mind or nothing figured.

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You know, it's either a deer or elk. Well, me

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and that dog got to that point, like, man, this

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is a ditch. You know. It's like a little creek

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or reservoir or not reservoir, but a ditch running alongside

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the hill whatever. Okay, So we're walking and we follow that,

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and we finally get to the end of that and

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there's like a I don't know if twenty by well

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twenty foot diameter mud puddle, A big mud puddle. Okay,

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so big deal. Whatever. I go to grab a cigarette.

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I'm lighting up a cigarette and I happened to look

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down and brand new there's a print right at the

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end of my feet, my boots. There's a perfect big

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foot print. And then next to that was a skinny

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one the same length, only it was skinny, which I've

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never seen anybody in the community have a skinny one

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like I saw. And then my jaw dropped, my heart

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rate went sky high. I looked at the dog. The

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dog was shivering, and me and that dog split. We

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ran out of there as fast as we could. Something

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wasn't right, and and then I knew, Wow, they exist,

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They're for real. It was brand new the print, and

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we ran out of there and we got to the

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open spot. That's all I remember. That's all I wanted

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to do was get to this. It was like a

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cut down hayfield behind her farm. And all's I want

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to do is get out in that, get out of

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the woods. And we got out there, I mean that

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dog we ran and stopped, started walking, and then I

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heard a huge limb. I could tell it was huge

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because it took forever to crack, so finally it's cracked

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and it's cracked. It's cracking and it's cracking and it's cracking,

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and finally it broke and hit the ground. And when

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it did, it started and me and that dog just

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ran back to the farm and my blood pressure was

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sky high, and I was scared. Something just happened. And

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I just saw those prints and I got in there

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and I told Linda, I said, I don't know what's

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out there, but there's something real, really big out there.

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She goes, you saw a big foot, didn't you. I said,

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I don't know if I saw one, but I saw

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the prince and I heard this big, huge branch break,

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and she goes, yeah, they're out there. She acted like

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it was no big deal. Then in retrospect, I figured out,

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I think what I did see that was brown running

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through the brush was a Sasquatch. I don't think it

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was a deer or an elk, because when I got

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to the point where that ravine was, I would have

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never saw it because it was too deep to be

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for me to see a deer or an elk. So,

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oh boy. Then that's when it all started, Jeremiah. I

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was scared, but really intrigued. Man, it's when I got addicted.

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That was my it started to turn into my addiction

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to hunt for him and find them and look for clues.

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Oh wow, so you and then you really went down

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the road after that.

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Oh man? Hardcore? Yes, yes, I was full blown addicted.

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Matter of fact, every time I went into the woods

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out there, every time, well this is throughout you know,

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more experiences, a few more experiences on the other side

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of the county. I think it was Lane County, I

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can't remember. Then I started seeing more, I started having

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more experiences, and I just kept on teaching myself, and

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then I figured out start looking up. Everybody looks down

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for prince. Start looking up and look for something that's

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abnormal that you're not gonna see up, and then usually

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nine times out of ten, when you look down, you

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will see Prince.

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Hi, gotcha. So that's that is so smart, Curtis. So

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you're looking up, looking, scanning the horizon through the trees,

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finding the abnormal stuff. Then you look down and you

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see the Prince.

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Wow. I wrote down a couple of notes here because

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I can't remember. See. Oh, the mining shack we went

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there to shoot guns. Well, I think it's a mining shack.

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It's either a old mining shack or a logger shack.

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I mean that's the country I was in logging, went

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there to shoot guns. And around that shack there was

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all kinds of prints, I mean a lot, and they're

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they are what they are. You know, I'm not making

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this up. Nobody makes this stuff up. I call them hills.

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I guess people they'll say they're mountains, but I call

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them hills because I'm used to you know, Mount Saint Helen's,

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Mount Hood, Mount Adams, those are mountains. But anyway, so

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I'm running down and I fell and rolled down and

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got hurt. I finally made it through a logging road

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and uh finally landed, pulling branches out of my eyes

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and my and uh off me and brushing myself off.

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And I happened to look over, just by chance, there

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was a tree growing sideways out of the hill and

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the side of the hill, or by the road, in

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the side of the hill. It was growing. It was

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growing I don't know, forty five degrees out the side,

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but anyway, at the bottom, by the trunk it was,

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there was like a hole in it where you could

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like get in there in the trunk of a tree.

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And I happened to look over, and I saw an alien.

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There was an alien squatted down, crouched down in that

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in there. It had blue like a bluish transparent skin.

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Its butt was touching the ground, but its knees were

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above its head. I'm guessing that thing, if it was

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to stand up, I'm guessing it would have been fifteen

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foot tall or close to. It had like a like

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a triangle head kind of. Well, once my brain recognized

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that and saw that I had that, I ran faster

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than what I was running before. I was falling down

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that hill, and I had mentioned that to Daryl, and

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Daryl goes, yeah, I know what you're saying.

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I know he's had he's seen things.

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I believe.

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When he was on my show, he talked about that

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he was seeing stuff like that. Yeah, that's wild.

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He had set me up like a picture of a

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portal off the side of a tree, and he also

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sent me a picture of what he believes and I

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believe is an alien like what I saw holding or

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one hand has a light coming out of his hand

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or something. Uh So that's when I see all this stuff, Jeremiah.

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And when I see other people know what I'm talking

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about that I'm not crazy. It's like they saw the

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same thing I saw. You know, I'm freaking. And yes,

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it was all in Cottage Grove. I have been called

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the Eugene College one time. Oh really, I said, I need.

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I told them I need. I need to talk to

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somebody because there is some stuff that you people need

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to check out down here in Cottage Grove. And uh,

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I can't remember who, Like I said, who I was

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talking to her, whatever, But they're like, what I said,

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you need to come investigate sasquatch down the Cottage Grove.

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Whoever I was talking to laughed and hung up.

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That was that, Curtis. When you ever would go out

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and do your investigations, would you have issues with electronic

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devices or I guess in that time you probably didn't

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have a lot of electronic devices, correct when you're out.

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No, okay, I never had a cell phone. I never

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had a camera. The only thing I had in my

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pocket was a little twenty five pistol, which would have

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done absolutely nothing. But it was just something in my pocket.

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But I never, like I said, never had a camera,

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cell phone, nothing, Now that I think about it, when

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I when I look at what I look when I

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look at what's going on now, back in early night,

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mid nineties, I would have liked to hooked up with

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any of these researchers. Back then, I like turn myself

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into a researcher and nobody else. They all thought I was.

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Crazy exactly because at that time, I mean you had

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people like Peter Burn and Henry Franzoni was working the

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more the mount Hood area, but he would come down

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to Oakridge in the nineties and yeah, that's wild. I

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mean you were out there by yourself. Now, I've never

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had to do this before. And sometimes when you talk

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about bigfoot stuff. Really weird stuff happens with technology. I

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don't know if you've ever heard that or I've I've

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never had this particular thing happen where so my recorder

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just went bonkers and I look over and it's not working.

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Now.

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The last five minutes we did get but I've never

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had to ask someone to tell something over again. Would

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you be able to share how you saw the female

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and the baby visually and then the one in the

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tree and then the two on the logs. I apologize,

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I do not know what happened to my equipment.

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Okay, Well, the one, like I said, my friend was

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down in it gully area, whole area, clipping those branches

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off those bushes, and probably I don't know, eighty to

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one hundred feet behind him, the female holding the baby

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popped out from behind the tree, and then a second later,

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the other one, which I think is a male, popped

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out from another tree. And then that's when I started

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yelling at Bill, hey, they're right freaking behind you, and

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that's when he yelled back to me, don't move or

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don't you know, Let's just let me finish doing what

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I'm doing. I don't want to do nothing bad, you know,

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you know, spook him or scare. He didn't know, We

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didn't know. But those are those are the first two

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four shore sightings that I had right then and there

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at that moment, I was up by where the bowler

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was up on the trail, up on the cliff. He

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was down in the hole, okay, And I saw those.

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And then when we left, uh, like I said, got

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in the truck and noticed in the rear view mirror

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one tree shaken up the hill. Everything else calm, and

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at the top of that tree, and like I said,

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before you know one O Douglas first one hundred anywhere

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from one hundred foot to two hundred foot. They're tall trees.

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I'm in the forest. That one tree was shaken. So

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therefore I grabbed my binoculars that I zoom in on

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and there he's sitting on that on that limb, that branch,

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and uh, breaking another one right above him. And that

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I saw very very distinctive because I had binoculars, and

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like I said, that's the one I did see. I

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did see his teeth because he was, like, I don't know, screaming.

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It wasn't howling. He was he was mad. And I

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did see his teeth and they're kind of like ours,

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only only they've got bigger or that one had bigger canines.

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He had big canines. So and that was that one.

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Thank you, Thank you, Curtis. And you you had said, uh,

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when we were talking before the tech issue happened, that

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if you had to say if it if it felt

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either and looked either ape like or or human like,

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you had some thoughts about that.

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I'm going to go more human like facial with all

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of them, more human, not not gorilla or a monkey,

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more human, a flatter face, a flatter nose, Yes, compared

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to a flatter face, come compared to a gorilla or

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a monkey, more human, more human.

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You had also mentioned an interesting account that I want

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to make sure is documented where you had been. You

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took your flashlight and flatted shined it into the woods

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on something.

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Yeah, the two of them laying on that that tree

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going across the creek. Yeah, there was two of them

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laying right there, like like I said, like spooning, you know,

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like you know, a guy and a girl spooning, right,

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That's what they look like on that log. And the

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weird thing is, you know a lot of animals you

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know some of them their eyes glow red when you

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shine light on them. On their eyeballs, these were like

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a glowing yellowish green that night for them to sasquatch.

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And like I said before, there's another Uh. I wasn't by.

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Myself, Curtis spending so much time, I got more stuff. Oh,

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I know, and.

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I'm just thankful that we got the tech figured out.

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We're good. I apologize again for that. It's never happened

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on the show, but you know I do. Before you

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continue with your notes, I want to ask you real quick.

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There's so many people in this area that have reported

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they go out looking for Bigfoot in this area. They

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spend time in there, and then weird stuff happens to them,

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sometimes physical issues. Is that anything you ever experienced just

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spending time in there.

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I can tell you one thing that I've experienced, Uh,

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nothing like what you just asked me. But ever since

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ever since my cottage Grove days, I mean it was

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only a few years and I ended up leaving. Hum.

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It seems to me like this is gonna sound psycho.

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H It seems to me like I have more like

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I have some kind of special power, Like uh, oh,

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how do I put it reading people's minds, knowing what's

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gonna happen before it happens. YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean

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these aren't I've pulled my family and my friends. These

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aren't coincidences. I mean, when it happens multiple times every day,

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that's not a coincidence. It's like I got some kind

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of I don't know, power or something and it all

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started from me then. And I don't want to sound

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like a nut No, you try not to sound like

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a nut man, but you.

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Are not going because this kind of thing is repeated

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over and over to me over the last few years.

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And my theory is that being in certain areas or

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having contact with these individuals does unlock something within either

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the human brain or humans in general. And I feel

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crazy saying that, but people keep saying it over and

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over and their encounters, and it is so interesting.

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That's freaking awesome, Jeremiah, because I've never known that to

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you just now told me, and that makes me feel

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a hell a lot better that I'm not the only one.

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Can you give an example of how that that works,

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Like you know someone's gonna say something before they do,

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or or how this this plays out in your life.

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Uh uh, that would Yeah, that happens all the time.

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Knowing what somebody is gonna say before they do. That's constant.

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It's like almost every conversation. Ah So I never really

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took that, you know, to a you know, to the extreme,

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because a lot of people are kind of like that.

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I guess, you know, you know what somebody's gonna say

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before they say it. But man, it's like all the

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time with me, constantly. And that's just one thing, a

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just life life in general, walking walking down the block,

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walking down the street right here, you know. I mean,

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it's hard to explain. I can't explain it. It's like

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I know stuff without knowing it. M it's weird. Do

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you feel like maybe go ahead, No, you go ahead.

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I was going to ask, do you feel that at

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any point there was anything or I'll I won't lead it.

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Do you feel like there was ever any communication happening

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in any.

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Way with my experiences?

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Yeah?

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Maybe any communication between yourself and Bigfoot in anyway.

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As far as I can remember, I don't believe so.

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But physically between me and them, it's like my friend

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Bill always said, they're allowing us. I'm like, why are

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we the only ones that are seeing this stuff, and

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He's like they they're allowing us. So there was some

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kind of an intimate fight. Maybe that's the wrong word,

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but you know, some kind of I wanted to see

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them and they were checking me out too.

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Curtis, I think you're you're onto something really interesting there.

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Something I've noticed from your account so far is that

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you weren't an individual that was going out there trying

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to take photos or video or record things. What was

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How would you say your intention was when you were

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out there trying to to have a connection with these creatures?

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That was me personally. I was addicted. I wanted more

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and more and more. Matter of fact, if I could

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have talked to one, I would have. I was fibergacien.

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I can't believe that I'm seeing a myth that for

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all these years people have been saying it doesn't exist. Uh,

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there's no such thing. You're a whack job, blah blah

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blah blah. No I'm not. It does exist. I've got

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all kinds of proof, but I can't prove it, you

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know what I mean.

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So your proof is in what you experienced.

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I take it.

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I'm sorry, you're proof saying that your your proof would

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be and then the things that you're experienced in the

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stories you can share.

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Correct, that's the only proof I have, right. But see,

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I don't have to I don't have to tell or

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prove it to anybody else. I know it for a

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fact absolutely, I've already seen it. I've already experienced it.

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I've seen it. Uh. Everything that I've told you is

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just you know, I wrote down notes. Those are just

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some of what's going on. And it's like what I

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just said with Bill, they're allowing us or me for sure,

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to see everything. Everything Prince Prince is a joke, broken

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trees as a joke, structures as a joke, all that

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kind of stuff that that that's like, that's a diamond

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dozen to me and and everybody else other researchers to Uh.

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Like I said, Darryl, Darryl's had some hardcore experiences and

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and what's his name, Tobe? Yeah, Yeah, that's a great

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guy him too.

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Curtis, was there ever a time you feel that you

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were out there and things went too far?

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Say that again?

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Do you do you.

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Feel like there was an ever there was ever a

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time when you're out there in the field, and having

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interactions and things went too far? Or was everything always

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manageable for you?

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No? What went too far is when I walked through

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that that arch and saw those uh I needle mountains.

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That was uh I thought maybe I crossed the line

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there built built too, Maybe we crossed the line. We

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didn't know what it was. Was this a burial ground?

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What is this? And then ten fifteen minutes later I

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see alien. Oh, and that's another thing I wanted to

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tell you about. Oh, the I was helping my brother

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in law. This is in Cottage Grove in Town. I

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was helping my brother in law. This was at nighttime

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work on a on a car. We were doing a

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car thing, and I happened to notice like the north Star,

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but it wasn't the North Star. But it was a

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bright light up in the sky. And I'm like, that's

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not a tower light because light tower lights flash. This

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wasn't flashing. It was just a bright light. Okay, yeah,

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big deal. Okay, looks like the North Star. Well it

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wasn't the North Star because I don't know. Two three

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hours later I look out there again and both the

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Big Dipper and the Little Dipper had already moved there.

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Across the sky, but that light is still in the

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same spot. And I couldn't figure that out. Man, I'm like,

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how is the rest of the sky moving but that

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light's not? And then, oh, I don't know. Maybe it

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was eleven o'clock at night. I called Johnny out out

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of the garage. I said, man, dude, I said, remember

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when I showed you that light? He goes, yeah, I said,

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how many hours ago was that? It's like, I don't

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know who And I said, look at it, he goes,

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It ain't move. I said, exactly, what does it? There's

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some strange stuff out there in uh Nevada and Oregon.

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Absolutely one hundred percent. The Pacific northwest end Nevada is extremely,

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extremely weird. Do you ever feel drawn to go back

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to that area of Oregon?

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Always? Every day, especially ever since I joined your uh

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your your thing, you know, and uh uh Darryl and

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men and Tobe and all that. That's all I think

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about anymore.

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Man.

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I wish I could get out to I wish I

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could win the lottery and buy all the equipment and

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go back out the cottage grove. It might be empty,

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maybe they all moved, but I don't care. I still

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want to go out there and do it.

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You, Curtis, it's weird, but I and I hear that

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same sentiment repeated by a lot of people that get

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drawn back to these areas, and myself, I feel, you know,

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the past year, I feel drawn back to the area

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in Oregon that I had stuff happen out in Oakridge

467
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.320
on fifty eight, and it's very weird. It draws you

468
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.840
back in. But you're not an Oregon right now you're

469
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.280
in Well, we'll just say you're not an Oregon.

470
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.360
What made you right? What made you?

471
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.920
What made you leave the area? Was there a time

472
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.119
in your life where you stepped away from from looking

473
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.679
at this these big foot related things.

474
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:55.280
No, it's always been in my head. The reason I

475
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.519
left the area was because I went back home, which

476
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:03.960
is our south in Chicago. Start a new job. Blah

477
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:07.239
blah blah blah, YadA, YadA, YadA. I got back with

478
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.760
old girlfriend. Okay, that's gonna work out. I ended up

479
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.760
getting married, Okay, okay, now start in my new life.

480
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:20.519
And I had told my wife, my new wife, my experiences,

481
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:25.719
and of course she thought I was crazy, cuckoo a

482
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.800
couple other people. So I just decided to keep my

483
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.159
mouth shut, just like Bill always said, just keep your

484
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:37.320
mouth shut. Well, anyway, then I ended up buying my

485
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:41.960
first computer. I think that was in ninety nine or

486
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.119
two thousand, I can't remember, so it was my first computer.

487
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.880
I finally got a computer. Well, I'm sitting there and

488
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:58.159
I'm thinking to myself, Okay, I've got the Internet. What

489
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:04.800
can I look for? Bam, let's check out Bigfoot? And

490
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:10.840
I punched that in and then man, I and then

491
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:17.079
I realized I'm not the only one. There's sightings everywhere.

492
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:23.000
There's almost sightings in every state almost, or at least

493
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:29.199
one or two in every state or whatever. And then

494
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.239
there I was. I was jacked up again, man, all

495
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:41.960
back in it. I joined, Uh, what's that bdf O

496
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:51.039
or something I can't remember. Yeah, okay, you know I

497
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:56.159
just started, uh getting into everything again, and then uh

498
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:02.000
left it alone for a while, then got back into

499
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.800
it again, and then left it alone for a while.

500
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.119
And then when I saw your program with Daryl, now

501
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:15.960
I'm back in it. I can't leave it alone. It's

502
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:21.039
part of my life. I'll die with this. Everything that

503
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:31.599
I've told you today is fact, it's true. And that's

504
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.880
what I used to tell my wife, what do you

505
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:38.440
think that I sit here and just I'm making all

506
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.119
this stuff up that makes me more of a whack

507
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:43.679
job than it being real.

508
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:48.679
Why did you feel it important to finally come out

509
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.760
and share things that happened out in Oregon.

510
00:40:54.320 --> 00:41:00.719
Oh with you? Yeah, because I'm seeing everybody else doing

511
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.719
the same thing. And like I said, I'll say it again,

512
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.239
Darryl just he lit the fire for me. He's from

513
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:19.880
Cottage Grove and he's he's basically seen everything that I've seen,

514
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:25.880
if not, and also more in the same area, Cottage

515
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.400
Grove area. So I just felt that I had a

516
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.679
if he did it, I got to tell my story too,

517
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.719
because everything he said is correct absolutely.

518
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.840
So you're you're saying that you think that a lot

519
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:45.480
of the things you experienced were in the same area

520
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.800
that Daryl has had experiences specifically.

521
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.400
Well as I can say is Cottage Grove is not

522
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.880
a big town, true, or at least back then it wasn't.

523
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:58.400
Yeah, I got you.

524
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.800
I mean, but the area, of course is because you know,

525
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.679
you're in the middle of the foothills or the Cascades

526
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:11.559
and the Blue Mountains or whatever was out there by

527
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:19.800
Cottage Grove. I don't care if Daryl was thirty miles

528
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:25.000
away from me. It's to me. I'm still going to say,

529
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.920
that's the same area.

530
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:34.519
Absolutely, and your accounts and their accounts, Daryl's accounts do

531
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:40.639
have some really big similarities. It is fascinating, Curtis. I

532
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:42.679
want to make sure that you were able to share

533
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.599
everything that you had notated down.

534
00:42:56.159 --> 00:43:00.239
Kid the light. I already told you about the bones.

535
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:11.960
The bones that I found must have been an elk. Anyway,

536
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:19.440
it was to that elk was tore apart, And yeah,

537
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.440
it had it been the elk, because it wasn't a deer.

538
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:28.159
It's bigger. That thing was tore apart. I found them bones,

539
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.199
and I grabbed some bones, and I brought them back

540
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:36.119
to town to my sister and brother in law's to

541
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:41.159
give to the dog and that dog. When I took

542
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:45.000
them out of the back of the truck, that dog

543
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:49.039
ran away. He didn't want anything to do with them bones.

544
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:54.159
I said, come here, man, it's a freaking bone. Now.

545
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.480
He ran to the other side of the yard. He

546
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.039
smelt something that I didn't know anything about. That was

547
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:05.719
pretty odd. Give a dog a bone and he runs

548
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:20.639
from it, right, Wow, No, that's probably about it, Jeremiah.

549
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:24.239
Curtis, thank you for coming on the show and for

550
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:30.559
helping to expand what people know about encounters in the

551
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.320
Cottage Grove area of Oregon. It's been extremely enlightening and

552
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.800
just thank you for chatting today.

553
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.599
No problem, man, I enjoyed it. It was kind of cool.

554
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.119
I was nervous at first because I can't remember everything,

555
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.960
but it all kind of fell in place.

556
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.360
I just want to take a minute to say thank

557
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.440
you truly for listening to this episode of the Big

558
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.320
for Society podcast. Curtis's experiences in Cottage Grove show us

559
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.400
that big Foot is not just folklore. It's a mystery

560
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:04.840
that's still waiting to be solved. So big thanks to

561
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.199
Curtis for sharing his incredible and sometimes frightening journey with us.

562
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