April 19, 2025

The Night the River Spoke: A Yurok Man’s Bigfoot Encounter

What happens when a man raised in the heart of Yurok country finally hears the creature he’s been told about since childhood — and it stops him cold in his tracks? In this gripping episode, we talk to Rich, a licensed clinical therapist and Yurok...

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Season 1

What happens when a man raised in the heart of Yurok country finally hears the creature he’s been told about since childhood — and it stops him cold in his tracks? In this gripping episode, we talk to Rich, a licensed clinical therapist and Yurok tribal member, who shares two unforgettable encounters with Bigfoot along the Klamath River in Northern California. You’ll hear how his great-grandmother passed down stories of the “wild people,” why his cultural upbringing made Bigfoot a given — not a question — and how one foggy night, that belief became terrifyingly real. With chilling vocalizations echoing across the river and an overwhelming sense of primal fear, Rich's story is raw, spiritual, and utterly unforgettable. We also explore sacred Yurok land, the meaning of “ridge runners,” and how the line between myth and reality isn’t always where you think. This one will stay with you.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's story doesn't come from a tourist or Tonight's story

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doesn't come for a tourist or a thrill seeker. It

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comes from Rich, a licensed therapist, a hunter, and a

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man deeply rooted in Ura culture who grew up believing

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Bigfoot wasn't a mystery, it was a part of life.

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But one night, while fishing on his family's stretch of

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the Klamath River, that belief turned into something else. The

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fog was thick, the river full of salmon, and then

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the call came, deep, guttural and primal. Rich froze, rifle

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in hand, heart pounding. This isn't just a tale from

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the woods. It's a story that crosses generations, culture and

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something far more ancient. This is his story of Rich

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and what he heard on the river that night. So

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stay with us, all right, Big the Society. You've got

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the privilege of talking to Rich today. Rich is an

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individual that was connected to me from Eric from the

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China Flat Museum in Willow Creek. Good friend over there

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always sendings interesting stuff my way. So make sure if

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you're in the Willow Creek area. You head over to

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the China Flat Museum. They have some great big Foot

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artifacts on display. But Rich, is a privilege to finally

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talk to you. It sounds like you've got a lot

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of interesting things that have happened over the years. You

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are from Yuruk Heritage, and I'm just excited to talk

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to you today. Welcome to the show, Rich.

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Thank you. I appreciate you having me on and so

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looking forward to And it's been a fun and interesting

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journey to kind of be involved in this and just

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kind of share some of those experiences that I've had

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and then how it's kind of connected to my culture,

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my urop culture, and you know, some of the stories

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and the things that you know, I've heard over the

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years from elders and different family members. So it's it's

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always been something that's you know, kind of been near

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and dear, close to my heart type thing. And without

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getting too long winded, I'm sure you have some questions,

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but one of the things that it's kind of interesting

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for me is I was a school counselor and I'm

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also a licensed clinical therapist, and you know, being born

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and raised in Northern California, this was just part of

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our folklore. It was part of our culture. As a

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rock person, you know, that was just one of some

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of the story I always heard from my family, from

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my great grandmother, who was a full blooded Iraq person

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and she spoke our language, and you know, she passed

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a lot of those traditions and those things on and

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the wild people is what she referred to them as.

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And so that was something that kind of was just

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part of my existence from day one. So anyway, with

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that being said, that's a little bit about me, And

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if you have any questions, you know, we can kind

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of delve deeper into this or whatever you choose. So

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I'm here at your disposure.

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Yes, sir, absolutely, thank you so much for being here today.

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It must be incredible to grow up in a culture

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where it was a part of your life from your

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earliest memories.

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I would imagine it was.

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And that was the real interesting thing again, kind of

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going back to that whole being a counselor thing. I

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was at the school. I was a school counselor for

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special education and worked with kids and families and I

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was in speaking with a principal one day and she

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was from southern California, and she was, you know, we

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got along grade we were communicating about some of the

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stuff that was happening in the school, and she says,

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you know, Rich, it's just like people that believe in Bigfoot.

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You know, it's just so odd to me that, you know,

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there's actually people out there that believe in Bigfoot. I

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kind of looked at her and kind of big eyed,

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you know, I'm sure, mouth kind of hanging out, and

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I was like, well, what do you mean, you know,

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thinking to myself, you don't believe in Bigfoot anyway, you know,

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I kind of brushed it off and kind of chuckled,

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and I told her, I said, well, well, kind I

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never thought that there wasn't a big Foot. And then

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I started kind of thinking myself, cheeze. You know, I

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guess maybe not everybody is a Bigfoot believer, you know,

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like I am. And I think I was thirty two

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at that time.

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Was there a time in your life where things got

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extremely real for you? It went from knowing this growing up,

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but then now it is, it's right in front of you.

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We traditional net gillnetfish for salmon on the Klamath River.

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And so one summer evening, myself and a buddy were

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out fishing as we do up and down the river.

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We have traditional fishing holes where different families have traditional

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ownership of a whole. So that's just something you've done,

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you know, with your family for thousands of years. You

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have a traditional fishing hole where your family fishes. So

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we were down there fishing with our nets, and we

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did a great We had a great catch, and we

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were cleaned up, cleaned up our fish and pulled our

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nets out, and we were sitting on the bank. It

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was about nine thirty or ten o'clock and we were

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sitting in the truck and I remember it plain as

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day because of the circumstances surrounding it. So it just

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cemented it, you know for me. And I was sitting

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there in my truck and the doors were open. It

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was probably it was mid September, maybe late September. That's

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when the big salmon warn comes in. So you got

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to you gotta visualize this. The rivers are just full

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of salmon, and the bears are down on the river bar,

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you know, pulling salmon out. Just there's a lot of

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activity this time of year. And uh so we're sitting

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there and super foggy. I'm sitting on my family's river bar.

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We have like one hundred and some acres. It's been

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in the family forever, and just, you know, feeling good.

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We just did good on fishing and relaxing. The doors

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were open, and then I just it was kind of

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I can hear his silence and quiet, and all of

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a sudden, across the river, I hear this wha. It

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was huge, like or this this this sound that sounded

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like it was coming from something that was big. And

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I was explaining this to my son last night. He

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was asking me about it, and I said, it was

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just I can't even put it into words, you know,

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I do the best I can when somebody asks me

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about it. But it sounded really deep and guttural and big.

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And it did it again. It went whoa whoa like

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two more times, and the hair on the back of

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my neck stood up. I got goose pumps all over

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my body, and I was just scared. And it was

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this really primal feeling of what was that, you know.

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I mean, I've been on the river my whole life,

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you know, fishing, hunting, and a lot of that stuff

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was at night, you know, on the reservation. We're allowed

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to do that. So, you know, you see and hear everything.

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You hear coyotes and you know, mountain lion once in

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a while if you're lucky, elk, you know, bugling. Sometimes

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you just you hear everything, so you have like something

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you can connect with, but like, oh, it's this or

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it's that, And there was nothing that I had that

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I could connect that to. And immediately I just like

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I said, I just kind of froze. And then I

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heard from up around the bend, probably three hundred yards

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up and the river kind of turns and goes right

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at the top of our property, and I heard something

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called back sound just the same, just deep and just

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like just heavy bass, like it had to have like

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a huge chess cavity, you know now that I think

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later about it. And it was way up off the ground.

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It wasn't like down low like you know a lot

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of four legged critters are. And I just couldn't put

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a picture to what I was hearing, you know, a face.

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And I looked over to the other person and they

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were just like, you know, what the was that? And

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I looked over and I had my my rifle was

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sitting there at a two seventy rifle and you know

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that'll shoot an elk or a beer or anything. And uh,

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I just I looked out my rifle, you know, kind

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of reached for my rifle and it did it again,

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and then it stopped, and I just sat there kind

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of like like paralyzed, was just frozen. And then I

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was like, Okay, I'm going to turn the lights on,

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just see if we can see anything. So I turned

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the lights on and I was just kind of almost

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half assed petrified, and but I couldn't see anything because

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the fog was so dense, you know, on the river,

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you couldn't see anything anyway. So that was that was

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that experience, and you know, we were both just kind

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of like we just looked at each other like, Okay,

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I don't know what that was, but it kind of

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sounded like, you know, maybe some of the stuff we'd

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heard about from when we were kids. This was a

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year on person too, so you know, that was that

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was what happened. And it really like it just grabbed

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me because of that that that primal feeling of something

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that was just much bigger than me and that could

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just like tear me apart. It was, uh, it was

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very very unsettling, very very much so like nothing I'd

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ever heard before. And I didn't see anything, and you know,

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so I'm not saying that. Yeah, I was a big

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harry guy stran across the river, but there was nothing

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that I could put my finger on that seemed like

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what it was that I heard. And so I went

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and talked to this guy. He was a teacher and

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he did I think he did bigfoot research. He like

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would go out and investigate for him when they'd had stories.

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And he kind of walked me through the whole thing

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and tried to pin me down, and I was like,

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I can tell you that what I heard was nothing

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like I had ever heard before. And he walked me

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through an elk and I said, you know, I've killed

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elk before and hunted elk, and this was no elk.

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It was nothing that I've ever heard before. And then

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sometime thereafter, I, you know, I started kind of just

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researching a little bit and I heard some vocalizations and

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I was like, that's it. You know, it was exact

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exact same thing that other people have said they heard,

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you know, out there, And there was kind of like

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this excitement but also kind of like just I don't

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even know how to explain it, you know, kind of,

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I mean, it was it was panic that night a

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little bit, you know, because of the feeling that I had,

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even though we had a rifle. And uh so, yeah,

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that was that was kind of the jest of it.

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And then, like I said, I I had always heard

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stories from my rock grandmother and just different people, my uncle,

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and one of the stories was that they kind of

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lived with us or around us, and they smelled really bad,

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so we ran them off up into the caves. And

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there's stories about Bluefoot Blue Creek Cave and it's a

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real narrow area. It's a very it's called the I

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don't want to get too deep into it. It's traditional

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kind of cultural stuff, but it's a very sacred area

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and it's kind of hard to find to get up

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in there, and you know, people know to be respectful

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up in this area. But that's where there's you know,

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allegedly some activity, you know, or a lot of activity,

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and it's a spiritual place. So I've been up there

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when I was a kid. My mom and I would

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go up there. And part of our culture is your ox,

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you know, we go to the high country and pray

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and lots of stories connected to that. But anyway, that

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kind of kind of catapulted me to be like, Okay,

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I definitely had some kind of experience, and it seems

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much like the experience that of other people have had

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in the vocalizations were very much the same. And so

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I just feel like I'm I'm a believer, you know,

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And even though that was part of my mythology, I just,

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you know, it's incorporated my growing up. After hearing that

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down at the river during that time of year, when

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I think that, you know, there was lots of fish,

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there's lots of food and resources available, it would kind

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of make sense that, you know that there would be

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something like that going on, fishing, hunting, whatnot. So it

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just kind of perpetuated some of my thoughts and ideas

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and beliefs about that that were connected to my culture.

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I'm trying to put myself in experiencing those sounds by

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the river. It just sounds incredible. Do you remember, Well,

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sometimes people will will say, you know, I heard the

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sound and it affected me physically in a certain way.

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Did this really hit you in a certain way or

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affect you mentally at all?

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Or yes, absolutely physically. I have a pretty big guy

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and you know, I was a wrestler and you know,

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I boxed, and I'm very comfortable, you know with just physicality,

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and you know, it's just kind of in my existence.

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My whole life played football, just you know, very into

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contact sports. And this was something that, like I said,

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it just it really it made me feel small. And

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I'm six sixty one, you know, three hundred pounds. I've

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been a weight lifter or bodybuilder, and that moment I

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felt just completely undressed. I mean it was just like

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sitting in my truck and you know, I had this

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like thing come over my body. Like I said, it

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was a primal fear of like there's something out there

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that really hit me hard. And I wouldn't say I

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was shaking, but I was like, was my gun And

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even with my gun, you know, sitting right there a rifle,

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high powered rifle, I didn't really want to see it.

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When I turned my lights on, I was like, I mean,

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it really got to the core of me. And I mean,

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right now I'm kind of ten steps just talking about

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it because it's just I've never you know, I've come

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face to face with bears out in the woods, and

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usually you kind of yelled and scream at a bear,

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make some noise, I'll turn around. I've hunted and taken

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down elk and bear and you know everything. I mean

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large animals that we have on the reservation and you know,

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picked them up, packed them around everything. And I've seen

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mountain lions, you know, on the river, and they don't

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really scare me. This this was really just something different, man.

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I mean, yeah, it was something like I said, that

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just made me feel small.

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Do you think that? First off, I want to make

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sure I'm referring to to these in the right way

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during our Is it okay to refer to them as

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as bigfoot?

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I want to make sure that I'm okay in doing that,

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you know what.

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I'd so appreciate your respect with that and whatever anybody

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wants to call it, you know. I mean there's you know,

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lots of different tribes have different names like hoopas Umach

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and my nanny, like I said, I know what the

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Yurok name was. There's a name for it, but they

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call them ridge runner, yeah, bigfoot. I mean there's lots

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of different names that I've talked to with other tribal people,

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I've worked for different tribes, have a lot of Indian

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brothers and sisters, you know, different reservations and same stories,

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you know, just different names. So yeah, whatever you want

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to call it.

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Okay, thank you.

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Do you think that, you know, I've heard stories and

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accounts where there have been people in areas where bigfoot

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have been and they have been you know, affected by

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something that people will call infrasound. Do you think that

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there is actually anything to that or is that a

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thing where you know, people that are experienced that might

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just be amped up or is there a history to

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that as well?

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Can you explain what your definition in that? Maybe I

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understand sure different contexts.

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It's kind of like you will get hit with a

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frequency where you'll not be able to move, or you'll

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feel nauseous or get a headache, and almost like they

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can control actions using this frequency that a large predator

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will also use.

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Like lions can use them.

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Things like that. You know what that is interesting. I've

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never heard that before, never thought about that, But I

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felt like I froze when I was sitting in that

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truck and I was a good looking out right now,

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probably one hundred and fifty yards away, And yeah, I

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mean I felt like now that you kind of put

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in that context, I mean, that's kind of always been

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my recollection of that, and I think that's kind of

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why even though I knew I had that gun, there

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I was in a truck. You know, I couldn't turned

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the truck on, I could have whatever, but I just

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felt frozen. So I don't know if it was just

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from the fear alone, you know, like what was that

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and it was big, you know, and something to boom

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across the river and it still had that base it was.

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It was Yeah, I mean kind of, like I said,

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it kind of gives me a little knots in my

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stomach right now because you go back to those those

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feelings and you know, experiences, and it was just so foreigned.

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I could see where animals would kind of freeze, just

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you know, the fear is what I've always associated it with.

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So I don't know, I mean, but definitely fearful.

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You had mentioned something in passing and with questions, I'm

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going to be trying to be extremely sensitive as I

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know in this area there.

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Are areas where.

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It just they are very very sacred to.

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To your your people.

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But you had mentioned that there have been things that

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happen in this area over the years. Is it even

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a thing where we might not even want to speak

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of these things that have happened, or is that a

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thing that you could perhaps share.

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I don't know that it's been necessarily malicious type stuff,

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or you know, if I'm not sharing spots where people

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are going to run out there and you know, set

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up camp and dig around, I don't think it's that

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that would be you know, showing disrespect or to my culture,

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of my community, my family. I feel like, you know,

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there's so much activity and you know, like the Bluff

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Creek thing that's technically within our Aboriginal territory. I think

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it is, you know, right on the cusp moving into

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Katu territory. And so you know, there's been stories about

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Umach Bigfoot, you know for years, the ridge runners in

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this area. And you know there was a guy that

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I think it was Wlawless, came out fifty eight and

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he said, oh, you know Bigfoot throwing this and that around,

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and then came back at the end and when he

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was passing and said it was a hoax. And those

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of us that are from those areas that are native,

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we just kind of laughed and scoffed it off because

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we had these stories way before that dude came around,

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you know. I mean, these are stories that we had

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from our grandparents, our great grandparents, and our families and

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in depth stories. One thing I heard when I was

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I think it was like nineteen nineties. I was in

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college and one of my native professors said that when

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you go to some place I'm not going to name it,

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that you might come across him or her, you know,

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kind of referencing him's Bigfoot, and either he can give

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you medicine, you know, good energy, good medicine for whatever

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it is that your prayers may be, or he can

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kill you. And I remember just kind of all of

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a sudden, like thinking, wait a minute, what you know,

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because to me, Bigfoot was always kind of this benign,

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you know, creature. I'd never heard any stories about tearing

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people apart or just people. It was just always like

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you just kind of lived out there with this, you know,

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and it's kind of part of our lore, part of

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our culture that you know. Again, there's plenty of people

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that are like, oh, that's a bunch of garbage, But

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at the same time, most people that I talked to

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a bit are Urrok or other tribes. They're just like, no,

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you know, we have the same you know, we believe

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in that and just like the little people, you know,

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we believe in those guys. And when you're raised like that,

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it just becomes part of your ethos and how you

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perceive your reality and your world, and you know, you

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want to move around respectfully and those types of things.

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But when this person said this to me, and I

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respect him a great deal, he's a professor and who's

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also native, and I just I just flattened me. I

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was like, wait a minute, what do you mean this

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thing could hurt me? And that was like the first

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time I really thought about it. And then it wasn't

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until like the last five or ten years that I'd

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kind of been contemplating, Like I heard some stories of like,

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you know, Teddy Roosevelt, because as I researched this talked

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about these guys that came and told him a story,

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and these two hunters were somewhere out in Washington and

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they were setting a trap line. This is like in

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whenever Teddy Roosevelt's president, maybe late eighteen hundreds or early

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nineteen hundreds and they kept having contact with something, and

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then this alleged bigfoot came into camp and killed one

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of the guys. The other guy saw it and shot

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at it and ran off. And I mean, he came

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and told Teddy Roosevelt the story. There's much more to

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it than that, but the story he conveyed, he said

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he totally believed him. It was just compelling. And so,

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you know, then I started thinking, you know, maybe these

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things aren't always benign. Maybe there is a little bit

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of maliciousness, just like in human beings, you know. I mean,

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you can be you can have a lot of good people,

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but there's wolves out there that are, you know, treacherous

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and dangerous. So I don't know, you know, you hear

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stories about people going missing in the woods, and so

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it just kind of brought a whole new perspective to me. Like,

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whenever I go in the woods, I always pack, you know,

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I've always got a gun with me, usually a rifle,

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always a pistol, and I carry a high caliber pistol.

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I carry a forty four mag and usually my my

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you know, just my nine millimeters or something. But you know,

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if you run into a bear nine millimeter not going

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to be. I mean, you can take one down, but

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you need a higher capacity. But I have to say

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in the back of my head, I'm like, you know,

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if one of these things tries to take me out,

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I need to have a little bit of horsepower, you know,

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to protect myself. I spend a lot of time, you know,

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on the river of fishing and hunting, and we have

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family property. You know that I go around a lot,

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you know, just I mean, I move around a lot

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up there. I've been pretty much every fishing hale from

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my family's property, you know, down to the mouth of

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the river, like many of the guys that I move

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with or family, and we'd like to get our feet

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on the ground and in the water and move around.

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And yeah, there's.

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A fair amount of people in well, I'll just say

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the Bigfoot community where they believe that bigfoot are able

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to see or sense the intention of the person that

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is going out. Do you think there could be anything

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to that or or is that just something we may

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have made up?

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You know, I mean these are questions you're presenting to me.

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They're just so interesting that would follow suit I think,

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and I've never even thought about this before. With that

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my native professor guy who very traditional and a lot

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of the stories with him saying to me that if

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you're on this trail to go to go get your medicine,

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to go to your prayers, and that you know Bigfoot

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could kill you or give you good medicine. I would

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totally think that there could be a connection with that

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that there, you know, there's an intuitive sense like animals

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in general. You know, either say dogs can detect a

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good person or not so a good person. You know,

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when I was told when I was a kid that

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if I was going to go hunting, you know, you

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want to prayer. You want to you know, smoke your

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you know, put some smoke up to Creator and do

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some prayers and just you want to be in a

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good place. You have to be no matter what it is,

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whether I'm fishing or eating or hunting, you almost want

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to be in a good place. Mentally, your heart needs

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to be clean and pure in order for that animal

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to come to you. You know, whether it be KWin

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which is what we call eels, or pook which is

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dear nypui which is salmon. You always want to pray

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and be in a good place. And the older I get,

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the more I realize how important that is. So going

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back to intuition and just animals having the sixth sense,

463
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:15.799
if you will, I mean we hear about it often.

464
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.599
I would absolutely think that they could pick up on

465
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.720
vibes and know if somebody was there to harm them

466
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.720
or you know whatever. I don't think as humans were

467
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.000
near as in tuned as we used to be, because

468
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.039
we moved so fast and you know, congested society, you know,

469
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.680
with cars and iPhones and everything. Whereas if you're living

470
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.839
out on the land, your feet are touching the ground,

471
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.039
you know, you're smell on the fresh air, and you're

472
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.039
you're just out there moving around, you're going to be

473
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.279
a lot more in tuned to your environment. So I

474
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.960
don't know how in tune, but I just say, generally speaking,

475
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.960
we know that there's empirical evidence and truth value with

476
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.880
that kind of thought. So yeah, I mean I could

477
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:03.240
totally see that, And now that I hear that as

478
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.039
an older person, I think he was kind of saying

479
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.599
that that they can tell, you know, I think from

480
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.920
his words, if you're up there for good reasons or

481
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.720
bad reasons, so maybe they'll kill you, maybe they'll touch

482
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.759
you and give you good medicine and you'll have this power.

483
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:20.640
And that was a little too like I don't know

484
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:22.920
for me, maybe a little too woo woo at the time,

485
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.880
but I listened to it, you know, and reflecting back

486
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:31.680
in your question, that's really interesting. So I could definitely

487
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:32.799
see connection with that.

488
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:39.559
Absolutely in your culture. Are there ever times when it's

489
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:43.200
talked about that there is a form of communication that

490
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:51.160
happens between people and bigfoot or even not being verbally

491
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.319
out loud communication.

492
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.759
So I don't know anything about that. I just think that, yeah,

493
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.680
think that generally speaking, you know, we have a reverence

494
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:07.720
for all living things, animals, everything in our environment, you know,

495
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.880
the water, the trees, everything has energy, everything is alive.

496
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.160
So just from our base of how we believe and think,

497
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:20.119
generally speaking, you know, we respect everything. So but as

498
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:24.680
far as like having the ability to communicate maybe telepith telepathically,

499
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:26.279
I don't. I don't know anything about that.

500
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:31.519
Okay, do you know any of the history behind why

501
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.000
they are called? Do you say ridge runners?

502
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:40.960
Uh? Huh? So. My limited understanding, because you know, we

503
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.920
don't have an exact science with this, just stories, is

504
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.519
that they would move around on the ridges. That's where

505
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:52.599
they traveled, you know, along the ridges, and you know

506
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.720
that's where you would see and hear them, and maybe

507
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:57.759
because it's up high, you can kind of see what's

508
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.160
going on if you're gonna hunt or staying up away

509
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.680
from people and things. But yeah, they call them the

510
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.279
ridge runners. And there is there's a rock name for it.

511
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.039
I can't remember what it is right now, but there's

512
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:10.680
a rock name for ridge runners.

513
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:12.480
It's extremely interesting.

514
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:18.279
Eric had said that to kind of lead into this,

515
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:23.279
that you've actually had more than one encounter with bigfoot

516
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.759
over the years. Is that something you'd be able to

517
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.519
share the second.

518
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:34.640
And if you know, no, no, I'm good. So I

519
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:39.480
didn't even really think that I had this thing until

520
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:43.480
Eric and I were talking one day, and I remember

521
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:46.720
when was it. It was about it was about the

522
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.200
same time, a few years, maybe within a three or

523
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.440
four year stretch, and I was going up to a

524
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.799
place up the river farther which is even more isolated,

525
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.160
and I would go up there often and hunt. So

526
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:05.160
I drive it on this road and uh, you know,

527
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.279
hunt on the way in to our our place on

528
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.680
the river, our family's place on the river, and there

529
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:18.720
was this one spot and uh, when I come up

530
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:20.799
there on that spot in my jet boat. It was

531
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.480
it was like I always remember it so well. I'm

532
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.200
not going to say any names because you know, everybody

533
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:28.359
would know that knows me, or that you knows yerok,

534
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.119
would know exactly, So I don't want to do that.

535
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.200
But it's a place where there's a family house down there,

536
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:34.920
and there's a creek that runs down through it, and

537
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.359
it's like a ravine and it's a big opening and

538
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.279
it was logged. So it was the best hunting spot.

539
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.079
I mean, it was just fabulous. I would go up

540
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:50.039
there in the winter time, right before winter, like the

541
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.279
end of summer, not winter. You know, that's not a

542
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.000
good time to hunt, but uh, there just feel a

543
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.839
lot of activity. I go up there at night and

544
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.559
there'd be big old butts running around. You know. We

545
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.359
did very well for years and then everything started growing up.

546
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:09.039
But so one time I'm driving it was a lad day,

547
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.799
it was into summer, I think school had started. I

548
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.799
was working. It was on a weekend, so I went

549
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.279
up there to see if I could, you know, knock

550
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.640
something over and driving down the s dirt road looking

551
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.480
over the side of the bank and it went way

552
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.519
down and then it went all the way down to

553
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.079
the river, but you couldn't see the river. You could

554
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.880
see down this this cut that had been clear cut

555
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:30.480
and it was kind of growing back, so there was

556
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.599
clover and lots of grass, lots of feed, you know,

557
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:38.680
for the for deer, and and then below that it

558
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.000
expanded one another she's maybe half a mile and then

559
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.640
it just went down to the river. And so anyway,

560
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.720
I looked back to my right and right along the

561
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:53.279
tree line, so this is this open area, this meadow

562
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.680
that kind of rolled down the hill cutaways maybe four

563
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.319
hundred yards, and then onto the right, it was just

564
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.559
like a straight tree line where they cut this area

565
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.880
that was designated, but right next to it like a

566
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.519
straight line was the tree line. And then it led

567
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.119
down into this area where there's water, and then it

568
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.319
leads out into the river. So it's a great like

569
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.599
it's like a highway for deer and bear and everything.

570
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.200
They go down this area. They got water and coverage

571
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:24.960
and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, I look

572
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.880
back and I'm just cruising along looking for deer, and

573
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.240
I see this this thing kind of hopping around and

574
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.240
it's small, it's like two and a half three feet tall,

575
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.160
and I just, you know, I saw it in the

576
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.680
tall grass, so the grass is probably two and a

577
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.519
half three feet tall, and it was kind of jumping up,

578
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.319
rolling around, just you know whatever, and I thought, oh,

579
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:50.839
a little bear. And then I was trying to register it,

580
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.680
you know, and I was like, wait a minute, that

581
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.720
was weird. It did not seem like a bear because

582
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:58.680
the bears have you know, more like torso and smaller legs,

583
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.839
and just the way they move. They just move differently,

584
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:06.240
you know, obviously than any other animal. And and I

585
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.640
kind of hit the brakes. I'm seeing it. I'm visualizing

586
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.880
it right now. What I saw. It was like this

587
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:16.200
cinnamon brown, long hair, like I might have been two

588
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.920
of them. And I just hit the brakes and I

589
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.839
was like, okay, when was that? And I stat there

590
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:23.160
for a second. I was like, I got to check

591
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.079
that out again because that just did not seem right.

592
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.279
So here we go again, you know, I put it

593
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.559
in reverse. I backup real quickly, and I get out

594
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.319
of the truck and I go stand up on the

595
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.359
road and I'm like looking around for something, and there

596
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.240
was nothing there. So a part of me felt like

597
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.039
they knew whatever it was. Maybe the mom or whatever

598
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.720
that something wasn't right. It really like it sparked my

599
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.279
interest again, like and I didn't even think about the

600
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.240
one previous. I was just in the moment, you know,

601
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.839
thinking that was weird, that did not look like a bear.

602
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.920
And so I never even really thought about it. Kind

603
00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:01.519
of thought about it, but not so much to Where'm

604
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.759
going to go out and tell everybody, Oh, I saw

605
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:08.640
big footage not going there, you know. And but then

606
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.839
I was talking with Eric go out back, and I said, well,

607
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.039
you know, I kind of and I had that feeling

608
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.160
of confusion because I really could not put my finger

609
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.799
on what I saw. The jumping and kind of rolling

610
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:25.400
around like little kids, and it did not seem like

611
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.279
a baby bear. Not to say they don't do that,

612
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:31.200
but their legs are short, and this thing just it

613
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.519
was different to the point where I knew it was

614
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.599
different unconsciously, like even more than I maybe knew. And

615
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:40.839
that's what stopped. Maybe stop and like, dude, go back

616
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.480
and look at that. What was that? And you know,

617
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.599
unfortunately it was gone. But you know, you're talking about

618
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.079
this intuition or you know, maybe the sixth sense that

619
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.000
they have. I mean, just like deer, you know I'm hunting.

620
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.319
They know they can tell when you got your rifle.

621
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.119
I mean, they're like no most of the time, and

622
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:00.839
so yeah, I would think that they would kind of

623
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.680
be stealthy in the same way that you know somebody's

624
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.799
gonna pull back and come look at them. They probably

625
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.400
are pretty good at getting out of there. So that

626
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.199
was my other thing. So if I did see something,

627
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.079
it was small, it was a juvenile they were just

628
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.679
a few years old, and as soon as I went back,

629
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.760
it was like ten seconds, maybe not even ten seconds,

630
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.119
backed up pretty quick, it was gone, and I think

631
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.400
there was two of them. But yeah, they were just

632
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.400
like romping around in the tall grass.

633
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.440
But it sounds like you had a completely different reaction

634
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:39.400
than your first experience where you were kind of frozen.

635
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.199
M yeah, absolutely that you point that out. Totally different

636
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.519
because it wasn't big and I didn't you know, there

637
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.280
was an ominous feeling or the first one. It was

638
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.360
definitely like there was fear, you know, like deep, deep

639
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:59.760
stuff like I've been at fights before and I don't

640
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:01.519
get you know, it doesn't scare me. It's like, Okay,

641
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.119
we're going to go. And if I would have seen

642
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.760
something like this, you know, in front of me, I

643
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.679
would have been running, you know. I mean, it's just

644
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:10.800
like there is no chance you're going to stand in

645
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:14.320
with something like this. But I've never felt that way before.

646
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.960
You know that. It's not that I couldn't get my

647
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:18.920
my rear kick, you know, but I'm just saying that

648
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.079
that was just such a different feeling. Man. I'd be

649
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:23.920
like facing off the bear that's trying to eat you.

650
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:25.039
It was just crazy.

651
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.400
Wow, Oh my goodness. I can't imagine that. I've never

652
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.840
had a I've heard things. I've heard vocalizations in the

653
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.920
will lay At National Forest and Oregon, but never had

654
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.599
any visuals of any kind.

655
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.119
Yeah, definitely, yeah. Yeah. The sound that you heard, was

656
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.360
it a deep kind of like was it a like

657
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.400
a whoop kind of sound? Guttural kind of like what

658
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:47.000
I explained.

659
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.960
So, I have heard a whoop before. It was in Iowa,

660
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.800
and it sounded just like a gibbon from the zoo,

661
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:59.360
which was really weird. What I heard in Oregon is

662
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:05.079
very weird too, because I only remember half of it.

663
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:09.239
My ears kind of clicked off and just I almost

664
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.599
felt like a bottomed out and I passed out. Is

665
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.840
very weird. I don't remember a lot of the sound,

666
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.639
but I remember enough that I heard a roar and

667
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.000
a scream at the same time, and it was just

668
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.280
like there's this primal kick in where it was like

669
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:25.159
you're in trouble, buddy.

670
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:25.880
Yep.

671
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.679
Absolutely, it was like everyone was like, what in the

672
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:31.719
world is going on?

673
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.760
It's very very strange.

674
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.960
But yeah, it's how you mentioned, there's there's a primal

675
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.880
deal where it's like, yeah, I've never heard this before, but.

676
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:40.960
I know how to react to it.

677
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.079
Yeah, yeah, run, yeah. Absolutely.

678
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.000
There's sometimes there's stories that get thrown around the community,

679
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.039
and there's one from up in Oregon, and I'm just

680
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:59.559
curious if if it reminds you of anything from your culture,

681
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.679
because maybe we're not looking at it the right way.

682
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.039
But there are people that say that they will be

683
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:11.679
walking through the woods and they'll come upon or walk

684
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:18.400
through portals. Sometimes small, shorter creatures will come out of

685
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:24.840
the portals. Is that anything that could have connections to

686
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.719
things you've heard in the past.

687
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.760
Maybe not me personally, but I told my story to

688
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.719
a buddy of mine or guy that kind of worked

689
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:39.400
around my house, older guy, and he said that this

690
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.519
is kind of loosely connected I think he was walking

691
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:43.840
around in the woods and he and his son and

692
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:45.880
it was late at night, and he said they heard

693
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.519
these big like boulders splashing in the water. And I've

694
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.639
heard that. I'm sure you've heard that where they throw

695
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.320
rocks or something. And he said it wasn't just the boulders.

696
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:57.960
He said, the feeling they felt like this vibe of

697
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.320
like you're picking up that energy as an animal just

698
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.440
scared them. Same same kind of thing. And but as

699
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.840
far as like portals and orbs, that stuff that's totally

700
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.159
new to me that I've been hearing the last few years.

701
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.159
Were Initially when I heard, I was like, ah, you know,

702
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but now, I mean I think anything's possible. You know,

703
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you listen to guys like Bob Lazar and you know,

704
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:26.039
my son kind of introduced me to some of these things.

705
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.599
Joe Rogan just kind of legit mainstream kind of guys

706
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.960
that are throwing things around that I'm kind of pondering

707
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.679
now that I never did before. You know, just like

708
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.800
we never believed in UFOs when I was a kid.

709
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Grown up. It's like you're a crackpot, you know. We

710
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.599
had people that believed in that. Oh that's not true.

711
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:47.480
Now it's like, okay, they're true. So if you've got aliens,

712
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.239
you know, or UFOs and likely have aliens and people

713
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.599
like spaceship's how hard is it to imagine on Bigfoot,

714
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.519
you know which I mean, we've got these gigantopithecus. We

715
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.000
found a job. You know, it's pretty analogous to what

716
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.960
Bigfoot would be. I mean to a te you know,

717
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.400
this giant thing and then you know, I mean it's

718
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:12.119
an animal. We're not even talking about UFOs and we

719
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:16.239
know that, you know, as far as evolution is concerned,

720
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.079
we're finding missing links and different you know, different whatever

721
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.639
you call them in between that they just found somebody recently,

722
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.360
you know, and it's like, well, this one's a little different.

723
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:29.559
My thoughts. That changes everything, which is science, you know,

724
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.800
you want them to be able to do that. But

725
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.280
I just think there's been so much kind of laughing,

726
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:42.840
pointing the finger, you know, mockery of this versus you know,

727
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:44.760
how real can this be? And I think we're moving

728
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.519
in that direction. I think it's a matter of time

729
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:50.199
before somebody actually unfortunately is you know, going to kill

730
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.400
some kill one or something, and then you know, we'll

731
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:59.119
have more like hard evidence, but I don't know. I mean,

732
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:04.320
these portals, black holes or whatever they could you know,

733
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:10.239
why not. I mean there's other stuff that's really unexplainable.

734
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.239
Absolutely, you know, just more weird stuff seems to be

735
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.119
coming out, especially this year, so you never know. Maybe

736
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:21.760
we'll get the big Foot stuff next or maybe we won't,

737
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.159
and maybe that would be okay. Maybe we just need

738
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:27.000
to give them some space. But I don't know, it's

739
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:31.400
it all depends on how you look at it. But Rich,

740
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.400
it has been a privilege to talk to you and

741
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:42.639
to learn some really interesting things from the euroch side

742
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.519
of looking at Bigfoot. And I just want to say

743
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.519
thank you for coming on the show. It has been

744
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.159
it's been a privilege to have you on.

745
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.400
Yeah, you're welcome. And again one year Ock. You know,

746
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.079
one year Rock, We've got lots of your rocks will

747
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.360
probably be have different ideas, but there's also plenty of

748
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.199
that I agree with what I had to think, not

749
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.079
agree with. They have the same kind of thoughts or ideas.

750
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.000
And thank you so much for having me on here

751
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.920
and kind of moving this forward and giving it validity

752
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:11.920
in terms of, you know, the research that's being done.

753
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.159
Mike Eric is doing the same thing, Eric Nelson. They're

754
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.960
at Bigfoot and other people that are really taking us

755
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.440
in a scientific way, and I just think it's a

756
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.000
matter of time. You know, we're getting more and more

757
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.719
information and it's really exciting. So thank you. I appreciate that.

758
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.039
I just wanted to take a minute to thank you

759
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.000
for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

760
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.920
Rich's story is one that lingers, not just because of

761
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.960
what he heard echoing across the river, but because of

762
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.199
what it meant, a connection to ancestors, to land into

763
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:45.079
something primal that we still don't understand. So huge thanks

764
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.920
to Rich for sharing a piece of his Urak heritage

765
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.039
and for reminding us that sometimes the deepest truths are

766
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:55.360
passed down in whispers and in roars. If you enjoyed

767
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773
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774
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.440
especially in northern California or anywhere along the Klamath River.

775
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.719
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776
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782
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783
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784
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