Aug. 30, 2024

The Old-Timer and the Bigfoot: A Conversation with Riley Woolner

Join us in this riveting episode of Bigfoot Society as host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Pacific Northwest native Riley Woolner to explore his extraordinary Bigfoot encounters across Oregon, Utah, and Idaho. From personal experiences to chilling...

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Season 1

Join us in this riveting episode of Bigfoot Society as host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Pacific Northwest native Riley Woolner to explore his extraordinary Bigfoot encounters across Oregon, Utah, and Idaho. From personal experiences to chilling tales, Riley shares stunning firsthand accounts, including an intense encounter in Idaho and unsettling moments in Oregon. Delve into the supernatural, including glowing orbs, portals, and even theories about Nephilim and the Fae. Enhanced by intriguing insights from an old-timer named Sean, and personal anecdotes involving Riley's family, this episode presents a fascinating perspective on Bigfoot that promises to engage both skeptics and believers alike.

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slash the big for Society, and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Bigfast Society, You've got the

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privilege of talking to Riley Wilner today. I was on

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Reddit and I was over at our slash Bigfoot I

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think is how you say it? And I noticed there

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was an interesting post there from an individual that had

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some really interesting things happen related to bigfoot things. So

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I reached out and Riley said, yeah, I definitely will

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come on the show and share what happened to me.

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So Riley, how's it going? Man?

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They're good man, how about you.

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Dude, I'm just having a good time working on podcast

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stuff and talking to people about their big foot encounters.

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And I mean, I can't complain life is good. So

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how about yourself, say.

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Man, I'm I'm just working. Just had my me and

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my life at our first kid, so we're enjoying that

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whole adventure. And yeah, I'm excited to talk to talk

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Bigfoot today.

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So dude, congratulations, that's a that's a huge change in

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your life. But it'll it'll bring you into some amazing

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events that you won't be able to remember what it

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was like before you had a kid. In good way, yeah,

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in bad ways. So it's a it's a good stuff.

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But man, let's let's get right into it. So Riley

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kind of paint the picture of how you got into

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this whole bigfoot thing and what part of the country

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we're looking into and all that good stuff.

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Awesome. So, yeah, I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.

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Most of my you know, where I was raised was

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in Oregon. I did live in Washington for a few

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years as a kid, but yeah, most of this is

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I've grown up in the Willamette Valley, spent time on

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the coast. And I've also some of the events that

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I'll talk about actually took place in some of the

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places where I went to college, so out in Idaho

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and Utah. But yeah, most of what has occurred for

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me has been in the Great State of Oregon. So yeah,

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the kind of the way I got into it, I

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mean growing up in Oregon. I mean, Bigfoot's kind of

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like the the mascot of the Pacific Northwest and of

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the outdoors in general kind of. And I knew, of course,

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growing up hearing campfire stories about Bigfoot. Always thought it

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was a fun topic, and I always wondered, like, hey,

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you know, it could be real. I had kind of

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an open mind about it, but it wasn't something I

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took like super seriously until I was let's see, this

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was probably the summer of twenty eighteen when I was

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working on a fairy and the fairy captain was a

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dude who I'll call Shane, but he me and him

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were talking and one time I just kind of brought

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up I was like, hey, man, what do you think

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about the whole bigfoot like in Sasquatch stuff? And he

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like looked me dead in the eyes and was like

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what do you mean. I'm like, well, do you think

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that they think it could be real? And he's like, oh, yeah,

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those are real. And I was like dumbstruck because he

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said it was such sincerity and he was not messing around,

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and he's not really the type to really joke around

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like that. And I was like, wait, what do you

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mean they're real? Like you, how do you know that?

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And he's like, I've seen them and and I said

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you've seen them? Like what do you tell me? Okay,

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hold on, and he's like he's like now I'm not

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gonna talk about it. I'm like I want to hear. Man.

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He's like, you're just gonna make fun of me and

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I and I said, no, dude, I'm serious, Like I'm open.

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I'm wanting to hear what your what your story is.

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And so he told me a story about a time

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when he was hunting in the Blues which is in

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the Blues Mountains which are in eastern Oregon, and he

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his story was that he came across a mother and

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a juvenile and that they like kind of met in

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like a crossroads area while he was elk hunting and

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it was kind of snowy. He said, and I think

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from what I remember, uh, basically the mama one like

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picked up the baby and like gave it like a

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roar in his direction, and he was kind of like

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partially hidden, but he knew it was looking right at him.

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and I think from what he said that there were

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some footprints of the baby in the snow, and the

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mom like shuffled around the snow with her foot to

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like get rid of the footprints before they like treked

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up the hill. And he for him, it was like

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a very like you know, intense, like visceral experience, because

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you know, he had no idea that these things real.

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And he ended up going back to where his dad

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was his dad and him were the ones hunting, and

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then kind of I think he said he'd let his

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dad know, and his dad was like, oh, you've seen

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him too, and like that was his kind of story.

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And that, for me kind of just blew my mind

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because this guy had no real reason to lie to me,

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and I was and he seemed so sincere, and so

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it made me question some of the old campfire stories

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that I had heard some of my buddies in high

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school tell So I ended up talking with them and

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they I can talk about those maybe later on in

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the episode, but it got me on this trail of

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wonder and I'm like, dude, is this you know his

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sasquatch real? So I started trying to learn as much

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about it as I could. And then I think probably

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what I would consider my first encounter was what I

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think could could have been a possible encounter, was in

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twenty nineteen. I was in I was going to school

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at Rexburg, Idaho, and I went on a hike at

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a place called Moody Creek, which is it's this is

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southeastern Idaho and it's kind of close more or less

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to the Wyoming border. And when I was on that hike,

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I was by myself, and I came up this trail

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and I was overlooking out this ridge and in the

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forest behind me, I heard like a loud like snap,

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like a like a like a limb being popped, and

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it was probably the size of these limbs that were

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being broken were probably like, you know, the the end

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of a baseball bat, like the not the thick side,

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but the thinner side, like if someone were to like

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step on that or just break it over their knee

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or something. Then that was the kind of stuff I

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was hearing. And at first I thought like, Okay, maybe

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this is a cow, because they do allow for like

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free range cows in a lot of the This was

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in the Cariboo Targi National Forest. This is where I

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was hiking, and I thought like, oh, maybe it's a cow.

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But I turned around and I could see on the ridge.

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It was a bit above me elevation wise, but I

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could see something real dark and real tall, like in

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the just beyond my line of sight in the trees,

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and I just I was frozen there. I just felt

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this like oh my gosh, like if this is what

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I think it could be, Like I have nothing to

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like protect myself with, like I don't hike with a gun,

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or I didn't even have bear spray at the time

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or anything. I was just on my own, and so

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I hid behind this big boulder and then start it

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still kept on moving around, and then I threw a

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rock in the direction of it, because I tried to say,

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I'm like, hey, you know, like if this is if

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you're a person, like come on out, like what are

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you doing like, and they never responded, and so usually

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if you throw a rock, like the cow is gonna

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get kind of spooked and run off, but this thing

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just stayed exactly where it was, and so that freaked

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me out. And then it basically like stood there for

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a while and made more snapping sounds, and then just

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a little bit later, I basically high tiled it out

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of there, and as I was running down as I

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ran down the trail, because I was, you know, a

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little bit scared of what it possibly could have been.

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And as I was going down the trail, I kept

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on here and like more of these sort of snapping

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sounds to my right, to my left as I would

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as I was running back down the trail kind of

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fast walking to my truck, and I was like, dude,

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I don't I'm trying to not let myself think that

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I was a you know, like, am I imagining this?

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Like is there something like, you know, pacing me out out?

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Like what's going on? But I eventually got to my

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truck and then headed out of there, and that was

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like the first time where I was like, maybe that's

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maybe it was that was a sasquatch, Like I don't,

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I don't know. So fast forward about a year in

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twenty twenty, my wife and I had moved to Utah

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for a student teaching that I was doing down there,

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and I we went for me and her one of

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my best friends. We all went for overnighter in Little

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Cottonwood Canyon, So for those who are familiar with Utah,

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that's where we were at. And this is in kind

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of like northern central Ish, Utah. And we were camping

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that night. It was the end of summer, so it

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was really dry, and a ranger lady came and told

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us that we couldn't have a fire. We had already

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started the fire, so we kind of doused it out,

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but there was still some embers left and some coals.

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So we were it was just me and my wife

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and my buddy and we were around the fire and

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my wife said that she wanted to go to bed,

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and so she went off to the tent, which was,

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you know, a few yards away from the fire. And

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as she was laying there for a while, it was quiet,

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and then my buddy and I we were just chatting

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and my wife said, hey, like she kind of called

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to us. She's like, do you guys hear that? And

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we're like, here, what And She's like, it sounds like

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there's something breathing over here, and I was like, breathing,

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what do you mean? She's like, is there an animal

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near the tent? And we went over and walked over there,

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and like we were like quiet and tried to listen

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to what she was saying, and like, this is how

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it seems to so often be sometimes with these experiences.

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It felt like there was like this deep guttural breathing,

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but it was just beyond like our ears ability to

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like fully hear it really well. But like that's what

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we were kind of picking up on my buddy, who

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was like he's he's very against any of the idea

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of like not against, but he's more cynical when it

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comes to any of the any of this subject and

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stuff like that. So he, I think, was trying to

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write it off as just like a trick of the

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wind or something like that, because there it was amidst

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a bunch of quaking aspens, so when the wind goes

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blows through those trees, it kind of sounds like a

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jingling coins almost, and he was like, oh, that's probably

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just the wind. And so anyways, we were like, that's

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really weird. But it kind of stopped eventually, and we

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went to bed, and then that next morning I woke

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up to the sound of what I thought was sounded

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kind of like a baby bear or like maybe a

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moose or something. It was like this be kind of sound,

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and I was like, for whatever reason I just had

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this was probably super stupid, but like I almost felt

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like possessed with this like mad energy of like I

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want to go see this. It's like, you know, it's

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felt exciting. So I threw all my shoes and it

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because it was close enough to the tent in the

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forest area behind us that I felt like I was

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going to see whatever this was. I don't know what

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I was thinking, because if it was a you know,

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a bear or a moost like they could have you know,

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caused some problems. But it started, like the sound started

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trailing off in deeper into the forest, and I started

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pursuing it, and then eventually it got to a point

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where I couldn't hear it anymore. But where I found

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myself was amidst a bunch of these What I knew

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after having researched this topic a bit like what people

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often will attribute to bigfoot, These sort of tree formation things.

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They were like all these little like teepee things. There

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was like a couple of small ones, and then there

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was like this one that was just huge, just like

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all these these like sticks that were all like leaned

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up against this one big log and like this log

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or not this log, but it was like this tree

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trunk that had been pulled out of the ground and

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its roots were like up in the air, and it's

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like the end of the like the top of the

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tree was like pushed into the ground, like someone yanked

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it out and left it there, and then they piled

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up a bunch of smaller sticks up against it, and

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it was like, you know, a thick enough trunk of

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a tree that I could like walk up and down it.

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And I was like, dude, to my buddy, I was like,

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why would who would have could have pulled this out?

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Like why would the roots of the tree be up

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in the air. And he was just like, I don't know, man,

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nature is weird. And I was like I knew better.

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I was like, dude, this is I think this is

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something related to the whole sasquatch phenomenon. And so that

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was something that I thought was like kind of one

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of the first times where I'm like, fel felt like

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I was seeing signs of you know, these beings or

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creatures or whatever they are.

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Real quick. So I want to comment on that, because

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that's a really interesting scenario. Do you think that you

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were being led to the area by that sound? Perhaps?

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I mean it, looking back on it, it feels like that,

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which kind of spooks me out because I'm like, that's

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really weird. But at the same time, like in that moment,

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it definitely kind of felt just like I was, you know,

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chasing after something and I happened to come across you know,

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they didn't seem really connected in my mind, but I

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look back and I'm like, oh, that's a kind of

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a weird circumstance. So, you know, and people will say like, oh,

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you know, these bigfoot creatures they can imitate anything, and

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the you know it that that's highly convenient of course

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from a skeptics perspective, you know. But at the same

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time though, I'm like, well, it did kind of like

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you said, like it almost seemed like it led me

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into finding out or finding these preformations.

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So yeah, I can say one hundred. So I used

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to be in that camp where it's like, yeah, it's

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highly convenient in till I actually experienced that and someone

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talking back and forth via mimic bird noises. And I'm

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telling you, dude, like it's legit, like it's it's the

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wildest thing you'll ever experience. Once you are able to

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actually experience that that that mimic.

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Yeah, and I can identify it.

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It's it's so weird.

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Hm hmm, yeah, dude, that's it's that's spooky man like that, uh,

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because you know that that feeling of like you don't

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know what you know, it can imitate anything, like you

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don't know if you're actually interacting with an animal or

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or this thing you know, which is which is wild.

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Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

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But yeah, so that was after that though, we we

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just explored around that area where all the tree formations

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were and these little like tepee looking formations, and then

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we headed out like that was that was it. So

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I'm trying to think probably yeah about it seems like

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I have within the past few years since I've been

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interested in this subject, I only ever really have some

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kind of experience like once a year, even though I

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do go out try to get out and go hiking

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and experience the outdoors as often as I can. I

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don't often get to go into like real remote areas.

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Often I'm, you know, need to be somewhere closer to home.

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So but every you know, every once in a while,

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I'll have a time where I'm able to get out more,

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and often there'll be something possibly related, you know, that

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has has to do with this. So I think about

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another year later, like twenty twenty one, my wife and

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I had moved back home to Oregon and we were

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living in Silverton, And for those who aren't aware, it's

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near so over Falls State Park, which is one of

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the more I think like tourist kind of attractions of

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Oregon that people will come to its beautiful, gorgeous area.

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And I admit this old timer at at church who

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I was up giving a I guess what someone would

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call like a sermon, and I was just up there

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introducing myself first, and I had kind of I guess

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I think what I said was like in my spare time,

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you know, I kind of tongue in cheek, was like

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I like to go hunting for Bigfoot, And it made

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like the the what do you call it the not

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the crowd, but the congregation. Congregation. Thank you the congregation

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kind of chuckle. But then this old timer came up

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to me afterwards. He's like, hey, you serious about going,

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you know, squatching, And I was like, yeah, man, because

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i'm you know, I'm trying to figure out if he's

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legit about it or if he's like, you know, gonna

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try and mess with me. And I'm like, yeah, i mean, hey,

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you never know, they could be out there, you know.

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And he was like, he's like, oh yeah, they're out there.

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He's like, we should get lunch sometime. I'm like, oh yeah, dude,

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let's do it. So we ended up going to this

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place called the Wooden Nickel and it was like this awesome,

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like you know, western saloon style place. And we're at

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this uh these get getting just lunch together. And he

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pulls out and he's probably in his i'll call him,

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I'll call him Sean, and he's probably in his he's

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got to be in his sixties, probably seventies, and he

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pulls out this hand drawn map of the area of

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all the different like wilderness surrounding the Silverton area, and

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he's just like so he's like me, and my friends

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back in the sixties and seventies, like we would track

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these things and we've mapped out all the places where

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the family groups reside in the area. And I was

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like mind blown. I was like, holy cow, like are

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you serious, and he's like, oh yeah, he's like and

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he told me his experience about how he'd seen one,

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and so it was really cool to sort of come

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across someone an old timer who who'd really put in

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the put in the work, you know, boots on the ground.

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And he had some pretty wild stories that were also

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kind of in the realm of the supernatural that he'd

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experienced while out with some of his friends you know,

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back in the day that were sort of sasquatch related

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but different. We can go into that a bit later too.

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But he showed me this recording he had of a

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bigfoot like scream right like, and it was bone chilling.

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He just like pulled it out with an old school recorder,

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pushed play for me, and like I was able to

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hear it and it sounded like like the nosegool from

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the Ring from the Lord of the Rings, right like,

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but much deeper as well. And it just was like, Oh,

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I was like like I said, bone chilling, man, it

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was terrifying, but also likes just super cool. So I

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was like, well, let's let's get out and see if

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we can, you know, spot anything, and he's like, oh, yeah,

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I'll take you up to one of our hotspots. So

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a few days later I go with him in his

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truck and we head up into these logging roads and

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we're up there where no one else is around us, right,

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there's no other trucks or cars. It's just us in

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this one area. And there's this trail that the truck

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can't actually get up to. It's only meant for like

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a kuboda or like a like a four wheeler or something, right,

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And so we start walking up this trail, and as

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we're walking along, I'm starting to see about like eight

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feet in the air, like uniformly seeing these branches of

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these trees, these pine trees that are all being they're

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all like like snapped and like bent in the same direction,

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and they're all kind of like pointing down towards this trail,

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but they're all on the same sides of each tree

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that goes along. And I recognize that from a lot

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of like here and from the native American folklore and

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just sort of the the stuff that gets attributed to

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the whole big Foot phenomenon. I was like Sean, like,

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are these what I think they are? And he's like, hey, good.

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I like I often have to point those out to people,

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and I was like, well, I mean that's weird, Like

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that wouldn't be something that like loggers would do, because

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this is like fresh young timber that's losing money. If

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they were to just break off branches and these are

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not small branches either, they're like pretty hefty size. Then

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you can tell that they're fresh. It's not from like

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winter over time, like you know, where they just sort

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of break on their own, like they're splintering, like they've

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just been pulled. And so they're kind of going along.

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And when we come up over this ridge, I sort

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of peek my head into the forest a bit, just

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because I'm looking around trying to see anything I possibly can,

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and I see they look like when Rilla's like nest down,

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these like spots in the in the forest where there's

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like these everything's crushed and it's all like a place

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where something would lay down or sit. And I was

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like Sean, like, are these places where you think they

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could sleep or something like and and because they obviously

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hadn't been there for a long while, like this was

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what that all that stuff that was crushed down was

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really old. And he's like, yeah, I mean, they could

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have been here this last winter, but it's definitely been

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a while since they were over here in this in

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those particular spots, and uh. We get up to the

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top and he's kind of old school when it comes

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to like how he goes about trying to like, you know,

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interact with these things. So he just lets out this

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big bellow and he like you know, tries to make

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a sasquatch call. Essentially, we don't hear anything. He's talked

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about how he often has they do return the call.

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But eventually we head back down to the truck and

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we're just sitting there and I say, I'm gonna go

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by myself back up the hill, and he's like, all right,

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that's cool. So I start walking up there, and I

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hear something in the forest next to me, like beyond

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my line of sight, like in the trees, and it

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starts kind of like every time I take a step,

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it takes a step. Every time I you know, stop

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it stops. It doesn't sound huge, though it sounds small.

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I'm like, is this just like a weird raccoon or

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a deer or something like or could it be one

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of these things? But it was weird that it did

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sort of seem to follow my moves. Eventually kind of

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got like as a little. Once I got to the

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top of the ridge and this thing was still doing that,

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I kind of was like, all right, I'm out of here.

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So I started like fast walking back down towards the truck.

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We get in there. I don't say anything to Sean

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because I don't want him to. I don't want the

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power suggestion to like affect his opinion on what was happening.

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So we're just sitting there and to our right out

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of nowhere this like rock. It's not a huge rock.

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It's probably the size of like an eraser or something.

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It gets chucked from there from the forest at our

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windshield and it chips and and like scrapes in the

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windshield and leaves a like a like a line, and

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both of us, you know, we jump and we're like

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what the heck was that? And we like try and

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you know, stay quiet and look out that way, and

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we don't see anything. But I asked him. I was like, okay,

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what was that? Like there's he and he's like, well,

453
00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:29.920
let's go over what the possibilities are. And I was like, okay,

454
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.920
I get like, was it a bird? Like? And he's like,

455
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.440
I don't think birds can throw from an angle, you know,

456
00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:40.440
like cause they came from our right and it like

457
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:43.319
scrapes scratched across the windshield. I was like, maybe like

458
00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:45.960
a deer kicked it, and he's like, he's like, that

459
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:50.119
is possible, but it does seem once again, like it

460
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.240
could have been more. I don't know, like that we

461
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:55.920
we I don't know we would have seen a deer.

462
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:57.599
I feel like if that was the case and we

463
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.759
didn't see anything over there, and I was like, maybe,

464
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:02.640
you know, I guess it could have been like a ranger.

465
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:04.759
But that's a really weird thing for a ranger to do,

466
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.279
especially when they don't know if the you know, us

467
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.599
two dudes in the truck are armed or not, like

468
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.319
or if it's just some kid, but like, we're out

469
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.559
in the middle of nowhere, and if it was a ranger,

470
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:17.960
usually they wouldn't let themselves be known. So it was

471
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.880
a very you know, spooky kind of experience or eerie

472
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.319
I should say, because it's like, dude, something threw a

473
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.960
rock at us, and then I that's when I told

474
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.839
Sean what I had experienced, and he's like, oh, I'll

475
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:32.160
bet that was a juvenile that was walking alongside you

476
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.839
and it came down the trail with you, and then

477
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:36.680
it was, you know, messing with us by throwing that

478
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.440
rock at the windshield and be it. Oh, I forgot

479
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.480
we had previously before we started walking on the trail.

480
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:45.359
We had just gotten out of the truck, and he

481
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.079
was sort of interacting back and forth with this owl

482
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.279
with what we you know, like you were saying, I

483
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.839
don't know if it was an owl or not, because

484
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.960
it would kind of hoot at the same you know

485
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.519
who back and forth with it, and then it was

486
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.720
gone and we didn't hear from it again. But yeah,

487
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.359
so I don't And I know that's another common thing

488
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.960
that I've heard people talk about is that they'll often

489
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:13.079
try and imitate owls. I don't know if that's what

490
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:16.200
the case was or not, but it was that was

491
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.160
I think for me one of the first times where

492
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.440
I was like, Okay, this is something I think that

493
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.240
is I needed to start taking more seriously because this

494
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.000
really actually interacted with me, you know what I mean?

495
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.160
Oh yeah, absolutely, I love I love to focus on this.

496
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.400
I mean, that's that's an incredible like that's the time

497
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.920
where pretty much you got pushed way over into the

498
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.519
one hundred percent. I know exactly what you were feeling

499
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.119
in that situation because I just experienced that in Oregon

500
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:48.319
and dude crazy. So what this was right after lunch?

501
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.480
You said, uh, this was actually a few days after

502
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.640
that lunch or I'm sorry, what time of day did

503
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:56.319
this happen at?

504
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:01.440
It was probably like three year four in the afternoon.

505
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:03.480
We stayed until probably like five or six.

506
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.440
Wow. And he was kind of talking back and forth

507
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:08.079
with an owl.

508
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:12.480
Huh yeah, that's what we were hearing. At least.

509
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.720
Did it sound kind of weird or like it was

510
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.279
off a little bit or louder than a normal owl

511
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:19.079
or anything like that.

512
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.799
You know, it's been a few years, so I'm trying

513
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.480
not to like project my own memories or you know,

514
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.240
confused memories of other people's stories onto it or anything.

515
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.119
But from what I you know, take this with a

516
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.799
grain of salt. I do feel like I remember it

517
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.880
kind of sounding like an owl with a cough, because

518
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.880
it would be like he would go hoho, Sean would

519
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:44.000
and then it would go, you know, back, and it

520
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.000
almost sounded like it didn't know fully how to sound

521
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:50.240
like an owl, which, like I said, like, am I

522
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:55.880
projecting my thoughts slash hope that it's a bigfoot like

523
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.839
onto this situation? Possibly? But I think I do clearly

524
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.400
remember that it sounded pretty weird like it was an

525
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.200
owl that like as it sounded like I had a

526
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:06.039
cough or a stutter.

527
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:10.359
Absolutely. Are you familiar with the Olympic Project.

528
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.480
I have heard that's up in Washington, right.

529
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.200
Yeah, the Olympic Peninsula and how they found the nests

530
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:16.640
up there.

531
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.559
Oh no, I'm not. That's that's pretty awesome.

532
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.200
Okay, So your story is it is very interesting. So

533
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.279
from what it sounded like you said is you were

534
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:31.079
up there and you saw kind of like gorilla typed

535
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.119
nests on the ground.

536
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.720
That's what I mean. My exposure to what gorilla nests

537
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.559
look like is based off of you know, National Geographic

538
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:43.000
and Disney's Tarzan So, but that's what that's what I

539
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:44.119
thought it looked like to me.

540
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.160
How How long were they roughly.

541
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.359
Probably like five to ten feet.

542
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.039
Wow, did you get close enough to see what kind

543
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.200
of material was used in them?

544
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:02.240
It was like grass like it was, it was like

545
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.480
mostly like kinda yeah, it was just like long grass

546
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.519
in the trees, like amidst the trees like that was

547
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.640
sort of just flattened down. And some leaves too, some

548
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:21.079
like deciduous leaf trees or deciduous tree leaves that were

549
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.960
sort of squashed in there as well. Yeah, I have

550
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:27.960
I have pictures. I can try and find them and

551
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.599
send them to you.

552
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:31.400
I would love to see those. I mean, man, if

553
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:35.400
that was an actual like nesting site for a group

554
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.279
of big foot like Riley, that's a really really big deal.

555
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.559
That's something super rare to find.

556
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.440
I mean, I hope that's what it was. I mean,

557
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.160
it'd be pretty amazing if it was. One thing as

558
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.759
well I forgot to mention is that when we started

559
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.240
walking up that ridge, right before Sean gave out his

560
00:29:54.480 --> 00:30:00.480
bigfoot call, there was a a Douglas fur like bow

561
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.440
that was like across the spread across the trail, like

562
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.640
a like spread right in front of us horizontally, and

563
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.200
so it was like it almost felt like if we

564
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.960
step over this we're stepping into their territory kind of thing.

565
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.000
And I think I even mentioned that to Sean and

566
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.000
he was like, oh, yeah, yep, that's what they do.

567
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.720
They'll they'll put down those little things to indicate, you know,

568
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.440
where their part of the woods is or something like that.

569
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.279
And I was like, oh, that's you know, it made

570
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.759
me slightly nervous to cross it, but we did and

571
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.000
that's when he made his call and it was Yeah,

572
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.079
it was pretty amazing because I was like, there was

573
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.680
a small part of me I was like, is this

574
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.839
dude pulling my leg? Like, but I know he wasn't,

575
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.160
because one like that would have taken a lot of

576
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.400
effort because getting up, you know, eight feet in the

577
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.240
air and breaking all those you know, branches and stuff

578
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.359
would have taken a long time. And also like, he's

579
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.400
a good Christian man who I know, wouldn't you know,

580
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.079
lie to me if I straight up asked him, you know, like,

581
00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.680
hey man, you're not messing with me. And he's like, no,

582
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.559
this is this is all real, you know. So it

583
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.400
was uh, yeah, it was a wild experience to kind

584
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.640
of feel like, oh my gosh, like I'm in a

585
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.680
place where these things apparently at least at some points

586
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.599
of the year like to reside in.

587
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.960
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

588
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:35.279
And if the whole rock being thrown at the car

589
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:39.079
thing like showed that there at least was a member

590
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.039
of whatever their people or tribe or creature group are

591
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.599
like that was that was there, or at least it

592
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:46.079
could have been.

593
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:50.720
Have you heard a sound that was similar to the

594
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.720
one that Sean made when he let out a yell?

595
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.240
Was it similar to any other Bigfoot recording?

596
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:04.400
Uh? Like the kind of the kind of yell he made? Yeah,

597
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.079
I think he just he didn't try to do like

598
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.079
the ohio howel or something like that. I think it

599
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.759
was more just like a like a like a crazy scream,

600
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.920
like oh that kind of sound. And that was the

601
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.759
he claimed. And I think I now understand why you're

602
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.440
asking that, because I think that was what he would claim.

603
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.559
They would It sounded a lot like the recording he

604
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:29.960
showed me, is what he was trying to imitate.

605
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.039
I think gotcha, man. And it was that like on

606
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.519
an old tape recorder or what kind of device did

607
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:37.079
you have that on?

608
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.680
It was an old tape recorder and the bummer part

609
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.160
is we because we have since moved away from Silverton.

610
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.079
We were only living there for a year, And I

611
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.400
have texted and called him a few times and he

612
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.000
hasn't gotten back to me. And like I said, he's

613
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.039
an old fellow, and he's he might even be in

614
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:56.039
his early eighties, and and I'm so bad with gauging

615
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.559
the age of anyone over the age of like sixty five.

616
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.759
But but like he also had some health issues and

617
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.640
so he already I kind of felt like he was

618
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.559
trying to sort of pass the torch onto me. But

619
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.799
unfortunately we had to move away from the area. And

620
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.240
that was the only time that him and I our schedules,

621
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.160
you know, coincided for us to be able to go

622
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.880
experience something together. But he would talk about how he

623
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.920
would often like he said that there if you wanted

624
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.119
to hear a lot of noise, go or go out

625
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:31.039
in the fall in the autumn, because he felt like

626
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.440
that was the time when there, like mating season was

627
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.559
going on. And he said, if you want to see

628
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.759
them more often, get out in the summer though, And

629
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.839
what he said he would do often to make sure

630
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.519
he had no like deodoranter cologne or you know, man

631
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.079
made smells on and then he would crush pine needles

632
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.000
all over himself and rub them around, and then he

633
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:53.000
would like go, you know, uh hunting style like out

634
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.880
into the forest, and he said that often would sort

635
00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.319
of trigger more interaction with these things. His story was

636
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.119
that one time, he's the time he actually saw one

637
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.920
was where it peaked behind a tree and did that

638
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.119
whole like leaning out thing where they sort of have

639
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:12.280
their arm on the tree and sort of peek out.

640
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.679
And he said that he saw it, you know, he

641
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.679
saw its face, and I asked him what the face

642
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.639
looked like, and similar to what the fairy captain told me,

643
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.880
he said it looked very much like a almost like

644
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.159
a Neanderthal like just like a very primitive human kind

645
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:32.320
of face. But he said that this one had, you know,

646
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:38.039
ran off super fast to the point where I almost

647
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:39.559
made him wonder like did I just see what I

648
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.840
think I saw? You know? But yeah, that was sort

649
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:43.639
of his experience.

650
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.440
What a special I mean, that's just that's a really

651
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.800
cool experience that you were able to even though it

652
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.360
was just one time. You know, just that is some

653
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.199
most people don't get to experience things like that, So

654
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.199
that that is very cool. You were able to go

655
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.119
out with Sean. So that was twenty twenty one, and

656
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.360
then I'm guessing after that you were kind of like,

657
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.159
all right, something's going on here, let's go for it.

658
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:18.440
Yeah. And unfortunately, when I later that year, that same

659
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.920
year that I was living there in Silverton, Oregon, me

660
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.079
and him had tried to get together to go up

661
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.559
again to that same area, and he let me know

662
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.320
that he had previously gone up after our experience. He

663
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.920
previously went up to go back to the area when

664
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.760
he had some time off, and he said that the

665
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.519
whole place was gated off. And I don't know if

666
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.880
they were, if it's necessarily BLM land that we were on,

667
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.559
or if it was like a private like I think

668
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.800
he said it was like private land, not private well,

669
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.280
like like a private company's land that was open when

670
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.519
we went, but like at that time it wasn't. He

671
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.360
said that from what he had gathered, like it basically

672
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:57.000
was not a place where people were going to be

673
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.039
able to go anymore. So that's super unfortunate because and

674
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.639
I wouldn't be able to rEFInd it again because it

675
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.960
was just one time and I wasn't super paying attention

676
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:10.960
to how we got there anyways, But at some point

677
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.079
I'd love to try and if I ever do am

678
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:15.840
able to get in contact with him again, I want

679
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.000
to find out about that spot again and see if

680
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:19.000
we can go back up there.

681
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.599
I just want to talk to the listeners real quick, listeners.

682
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.039
There's a big lesson right there where you never know

683
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:30.719
how many times you're going to be able to go

684
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:37.480
up to an area, So yeah, just make a map,

685
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.199
track it whatever you need to do. You never know

686
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.920
how many times you have in an area. But oh, man, Sean,

687
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.119
that is that is so so wild dude. So then yeah,

688
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:51.559
then what happened after that? Man?

689
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:58.440
So yeah. Twenty twenty two was the year that my

690
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:04.320
younger brother got married, and the night before his wedding,

691
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.079
we were originally planning to have like a bachelor party

692
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.679
where we were all going to go camping, but unfortunately

693
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.280
none of his fellow or of his of his buddies

694
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.639
who were his other bachelors, were able to make it

695
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:18.840
because they were all out of state and they weren't

696
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.159
able to make it until the day of the wedding itself,

697
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.159
so it ended up just being him and I and

698
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.000
I'm his older brother of six years, and so I

699
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:27.679
was like, I want to make sure that he and

700
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.360
I are going to have a fun you know, camp

701
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:34.360
out together. So we actually that day had been surfing

702
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.880
or or hanging out with our family on the on

703
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:42.400
the coast at Pacific City, and that everyone else had

704
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:43.960
gone home. It was just him and I that we're

705
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.360
gonna stay go find somewhere to camp that night. And

706
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.679
so we went. Oh, we drove over in more like

707
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.840
a little bit more inland from Pacific City into a

708
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.840
little ports of town called Cloverdale out on the out

709
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.920
skirts there. It's on the you know Oregon coastal mountain range,

710
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:08.840
totally densely forested, and we found this area called the

711
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.679
Lewis and Clark Logging Trails, I think is what they're called.

712
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:21.000
And it's it said no camping, no fires, and you know,

713
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.079
we were just like, hey, we're not the type that

714
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:26.800
are gonna like, you know, set the forest on fire,

715
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.440
and where we don't even like drink or get routy

716
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.800
or anything. So we're I think we're fine. You know, Uh,

717
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.519
I'm sure there are some listeners who where that makes

718
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.440
them mad, but that's what we were, you know, we

719
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.920
just wanted to have a fun time. So we ended

720
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:46.039
up driving my Volkswagon up the trail and we get

721
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.639
up to this ridge where we're not super far away

722
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:52.360
from the highway, but we're you know, far enough into

723
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.800
the actual like forest up on this ridge where there's

724
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.719
a telephone pole that's kind of on this up on

725
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.840
the top of this range. And then we wanted to

726
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.920
actually camp like in the forest itself, because we didn't

727
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.440
want like a ranger to come around and say like, oh,

728
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.960
you can't have a fire and get out of here,

729
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.119
and like ruin the night for us. So we kind

730
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:17.239
of parked our car down this like dark trail and

731
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.679
we made our we went down there to start making

732
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.519
our fire. And this experience that I'm about to tell,

733
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.199
I don't really know if this is fully sasquatch related

734
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:31.000
or if it's something worse like, because it was kind

735
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.199
of a dark feeling over for the most of the night.

736
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:40.079
And I'll explain more. But we got down there, and

737
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.719
I think I had pointed out that there were some

738
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.920
of the little tree formations, but they looked more like

739
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.920
they also could have possibly been more natural. But my

740
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.320
brother is he's somewhat interested in the subject. He's heard

741
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.639
me talk about it a bit, and I was like, hey, man, like,

742
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.199
could be bigfoot stuff. And he's like, oh, cool, yeah,

743
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.800
it could be. And then he he points out that

744
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:06.400
there's these these uh footprints or not, well, they might

745
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.920
be footprints, but there are definitely marks in the ground

746
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.519
that are sort of leading away from where we wanted

747
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:15.599
the campfire into the forest more. And we were like, well,

748
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:17.920
you know, are these footprints We don't know, Like he

749
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.880
put his foot, he's got like a size ten shoe

750
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:21.440
or so up to it, and it's about the same

751
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.599
size as his shoe, but it's not really clear with

752
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.360
whether it's you know, just old footprints from someone else

753
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.800
or because we can't really see make up toes or anything.

754
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.840
It was just these kind of footprints. So we were like, hey,

755
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.119
you know, getting all excited like maybe it's big foot stuff.

756
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.400
And we ended up just having our fire, eating roasting

757
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.159
some hot dogs and just chatting and the sun goes down.

758
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.760
This is this is all occurring in the end of

759
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:51.159
August beginning of September at some point, and for those

760
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.480
who haven't been out to the Pacific Northwest, when you're

761
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.920
in the actual forest, like and the sun goes away,

762
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:58.840
I mean, even when the sun is out sometimes it's

763
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.119
like pitch black inside so of those forests, but when

764
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.840
the sun goes down, it is dark dark. So we

765
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.800
decided to put the fire out because we were going

766
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.559
to go to bed, but then last minute, we wanted

767
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:14.880
to go up the ridge to go stargazing because so

768
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.719
often throughout the rest of the year, not that's not

769
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.519
the summertime. In Oregon and Washington, it's very overcast, so

770
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.760
you don't often get to see the stars fully clearly,

771
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.760
but in the summer you do. So we're like, let's

772
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.880
go stargazing up at the top. So he and I

773
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.239
hyped up the ridge with just our flashlights, and we

774
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.480
get up to that ridge and we're just like talking,

775
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.079
and then out of nowhere, my brother starts getting real

776
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.280
fidgety and starts looking over his shoulder all the time,

777
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:41.559
and I'm like, everything all right, man, He's like yea, y,

778
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:45.360
I'm good, And we were just continuing our conversation, and

779
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.360
then all out of nowhere, he's like, dude, let's let's

780
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:48.920
go to bed, Like, let's get to the tent. I'm

781
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:54.159
like okay, And we start walking back down towards the

782
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.119
tent and within when we get to that trail that

783
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:01.199
enters the actual forest, and we're starting to walk towards

784
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.800
our tent, which is probably like fifty yards away from

785
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.480
the top of that ridge down this trail, I take

786
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:09.159
like two or three steps and all of a sudden,

787
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:13.079
my flashlight goes out, and it's a headlamp and it

788
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:16.000
like goes out, and then like two steps later from

789
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.880
my brother it goes out as well. And I'll call

790
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:25.239
my brother Dane uh so because I don't know how

791
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.599
if he wants his name out or anything, but anyways,

792
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.840
I'm like, Dane, dude, did You're like, what happened to

793
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.760
your light? Like both of our lights went out, and

794
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.679
we're like, shoot, like they both died. It's weird. We

795
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:39.119
had fresh batteries, and so we pulled out our phones

796
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.280
and my phone was at like two or three percent

797
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.400
and his was totally dead. And I was like, what

798
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.559
the heck, man, Like my phone was at like fifty

799
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.039
fifty sixty percent. He's like, yeah, man, mine was at

800
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.199
like thirty or forty, like it should not be dead

801
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.840
right now. But they both were dead or his was

802
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.880
dead and mine was on for like two or three percent,

803
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.800
and I was able to turn in the flashlight and

804
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:00.800
get us just all the way down to the tent

805
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.079
before it also gave out, and we were able to

806
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.960
get new batteries for our headlamps and plug those in

807
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.239
and get you know, bedded down for the night. And

808
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.599
so we're laying there in our tent and it is

809
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:21.239
like deathly quiet, like just silent, silent, and uh for

810
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.880
Oregon in the summer, that's weird because usually you've got crickets,

811
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.119
you got frogs, you got you know, owls, other birds

812
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.400
and things like that at night that you'll hear, and

813
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.880
for it to be this quiet, it was just really odd.

814
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.559
And we had been both trying to sleep and at

815
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.199
some point I turned ho I'm like Dane, like are

816
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.599
are you? Are you asleep? And he's like, nah, dude,

817
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.440
I've I've been tossing a turn and I'm like, yeah, man,

818
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.119
I haven't been able to sleep either. Probably a whole

819
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.599
half hour had passed. I was like, it's so freaking quiet,

820
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.000
and He's like yeah, it's almost like as if silence

821
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:55.239
was a sound. And then we're hearing that. It's like

822
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:57.840
it almost kind of muffled us in a weird way.

823
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.320
We could hear one distant, little creaky bug off in

824
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.719
the distance, but that was not enough to like help

825
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:09.360
a sleep or anything. And we were both laying there

826
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.760
and I thought to myself, like, dude, how crazy would

827
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:18.199
it be if like something real freaky happened tonight, like

828
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.440
there was a bigfoot or something like that. And I

829
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:24.239
had this like sort of imaginary thought of like this

830
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.360
this hand, this hairy hand getting like pressed in on

831
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.119
the canvas of the tent, and it was like, oh,

832
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.679
like kind of weird, weird in me out. Some people

833
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.800
have asked me if they thought that was like a

834
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:41.639
what's the word, like a thought that gets an intrusion

835
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.199
of your thoughts or something like that, And I don't know,

836
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.800
I don't think. Yeah, like the mind speak thing, I

837
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:48.159
don't think it was. I think it. I think it

838
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:54.000
probably more was my own imagination, but yeah, I don't. Yeah.

839
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.880
But right after I had that weird like thought in

840
00:44:56.920 --> 00:45:00.960
my head, I heard something walking over our car, which

841
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:04.760
was probably twenty feet away from our tent, and it

842
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.679
sounded like it was something that was walking around on

843
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:09.639
two legs. I thought it was a person. It didn't

844
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.559
sound huge, but it sounded like it was definitely someone

845
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.679
out there and I was like, I whispered to my brother,

846
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.920
I'm like, dude, is there someone near our tent or

847
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.320
near our car? I mean, and he was like he

848
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.480
was like in denial. He's like, no, bro, no, that's

849
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:29.480
that's nothing. I'm like, dude, that's something walking. Because I

850
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.280
started walking towards us from the cars, liked, that's something

851
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.360
walking towards our tent. And he's like, dude, the holy

852
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.199
holy cow, no it's not. And like I look over

853
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.599
and he's like grabbed the hatchet because I have a gun,

854
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:42.440
but like it's I didn't bring it on that trip

855
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:44.119
or anything. I didn't think i'd needed it or any

856
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.440
and so he grabbed the hatchet and I had, like

857
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.920
I think I had like a knife that I pulled.

858
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.199
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

859
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:13.159
But as it's getting closer and walking towards us, I'm

860
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.599
thinking like, Okay, if this is a dude, like a

861
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.000
person like this is really weird. They should not be,

862
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.679
you know, approaching us like this. And but I had

863
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.840
this feeling and like if it's something you know in

864
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.719
the more you know, realm of the crazy, like a

865
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.480
bigfoot or something like, then I'm going to kick myself

866
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:33.719
if I don't, you know, man up and try and

867
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:37.320
actually see this thing. So I made the decision to

868
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.239
grab my headlamp and then unzip the tent right as

869
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.880
it had gotten probably within a foot of where we were.

870
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.199
And as soon as I unziped that tent and look

871
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:51.119
out there there's and flash my light, there's nothing. And

872
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.239
that was the craziest thing because whatever had walked up

873
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.320
to us should have been within a foot from our tent,

874
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.079
and I didn't see anything. And then within a matter

875
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:02.280
of seconds, flashlight boom goes out again, and me and

876
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.440
my brother are like knocking our heads trying to like

877
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.840
freak out, trying to find the other flashlight, and we

878
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.599
eventually finally do and we're like what the heck was that?

879
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.519
And we both get out of the tent and start

880
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.280
like flashing our light around the area of being like

881
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:20.320
who's there, Like what's going on? Like like what is this?

882
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.320
And nothing. We didn't hear anything or see anything like

883
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.559
in that in that moment, and both of us had

884
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.159
had this like it was like this the only way

885
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.280
I can kind of describe it. I'm a spiritual person,

886
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.920
like I'm religious and such like it felt dark, which

887
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.320
is like a bummer because I find the whole big

888
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.320
Foot topic very fun, but like this, I was like

889
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.400
if it was Bigfoot, like this was an evil one,

890
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.280
like this was a bad one, Like this just felt

891
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.480
like ugh. And we decided. We got back in the

892
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.079
tent and I was like, we were laying there trying

893
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:56.800
to go back to sleep, I guess, And I was

894
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.119
like eventually said, you know, dude, if you if you

895
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.679
want to go home, like uh, I'm I'm okay with it,

896
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:05.519
you know. And he's all being tough too, and he's like, well,

897
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.519
I mean only if you want to, you know, if

898
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.800
that's what you're feeling. And I could beat out and

899
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.079
we were like all right, let's go. So we get

900
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.320
out of there. We collapse our tent real quick, we'd

901
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.480
throw it in the trunk, get in the car, and

902
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.760
we start driving up that ridge up where the telephone

903
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.079
pole is where we were looking at the stars. And

904
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.519
my brother when we get up there, we have our

905
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.440
windows down this whole time. By the way, we get

906
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.239
there and he's like, dude, I got something to confess.

907
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.159
I'm like, what's up, man, And he's like, when we

908
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:30.920
were up here, looking at the stars like I kept

909
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.360
I swore, I kept on seeing like shadowy like figures,

910
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.320
like just in my peripherals, like and every time I'd

911
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.239
look in their direction, they'd hide behind like a rock

912
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.519
or a tree. I'm like, what the world, dude, why

913
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.400
did you not say anything? He's like, because I thought

914
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:44.800
it was just my mind playing tricks on me, like

915
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.360
I didn't want to ruin the night, like it's our

916
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.800
you know, it's my bachelor party and stuff. And I'm like, dude,

917
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.280
next time, if that is something you're suspecting at all,

918
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.559
like you gotta say something. So we end up driving

919
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.719
down the ridge back towards the highway. And when we

920
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.039
get down there, like I said, a, windows are open,

921
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.639
and all of a sudden, we start hearing birds or

922
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:05.960
up birds, but like you know, owls and crickets and

923
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.400
frogs and all the normal night sounds. And we're like, dude,

924
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:10.679
that's what night's supposed to sound, like what was up

925
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:15.119
at the top of that ridge. And as we get

926
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.760
down onto the highway. Across the highway there's more forest

927
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:22.519
and I see with my headlights that there's those broken

928
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.760
tree branches again like about nine feet in the air.

929
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.000
And they're all pointing kind of in the direction of

930
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.880
that ridge, and I was like, dude, look at that,

931
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.559
and he's let My brother's like, dude, don't show me

932
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.519
that this is good. Go go, go, go go. So

933
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.719
we cruised home and both of us had a pretty

934
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.960
rough night's sleep. My brother to this day will not

935
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:44.239
go back, you know, to he he definitely feels like

936
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:48.239
there was some dark entity or something that was in

937
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:58.719
that area. And I being the curious one, interested in

938
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.519
the whole topic of anything strange, like knowing this interview

939
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:04.800
was gonna come up just a couple of days ago,

940
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.320
I actually went and tried to find the place again.

941
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.840
Took me forever, but I did actually find it, not

942
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:14.239
actually by it was actually kind of by accident. I

943
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:15.960
ended up just saying, you know what, screwed, I'm just

944
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:18.519
gonna drive a random road, and I ended up finding it.

945
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.800
And then I drove up again and it was there

946
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.280
was a gate there that said you can walk in,

947
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.519
but you can't camp, and so I decided to just

948
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:30.239
hike up there. Nothing happened, nothing crazy, although on my

949
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:36.199
way back down I did hear a raven kind of

950
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.079
croaking the whole time on my way partially on my

951
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:42.599
way up and then partially on my way down, which

952
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:44.320
I don't think is too weird. I just try to

953
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.920
make sure I pay attention to everything. But then closer

954
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:48.639
to where I was getting back down to the car,

955
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:52.079
I did hear a little wop, but like it was

956
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.119
very fast and that it was only once, and I'm like,

957
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:57.519
could have been a bird, I don't know, but like

958
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.639
it was like a little whoop, and then I could

959
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.199
have sworn. I heard a little bit after that, like

960
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:06.280
this sort of deeper sort of kind of sound, but

961
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.559
it was further away than the whoop was, and it

962
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.960
sounded like it was off in the trees more and

963
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.760
I was like, ah, that could have been It could

964
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.079
have been just my imagination, I guess, or maybe I mean,

965
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.280
I definitely heard something like I don't know if that

966
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:22.440
was bigfoit either. So I'm always very like trying to

967
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.360
think of anything that it could be other than just

968
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.280
you know, because I don't want everything to be bigfoot.

969
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.320
I don't want to have that power suggestion always be

970
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.320
affecting me, you know what I mean. But it is

971
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.760
hard to deny sometimes these circumstances where they seem very

972
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:41.599
suspicious so anyways, I left that area, and uh, that

973
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.199
was that's that's I think probably the craziest story that

974
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.239
I have as far as all this sasquatch stuff goes.

975
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.760
Yeah, I would say what would definitely do it for

976
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.079
me was first off, I mean, hats off to you

977
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:01.320
for actually looking outside the tent but having nothing be there.

978
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.360
It's probably the craziest thing. That's that's wild, dude.

979
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.840
Yeah, that was for sure the weirdest thing because whatever

980
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.119
was walking towards the tent, it should have definitely been there.

981
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.840
There's no way a person or even a deer could

982
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.639
have leapt away that quickly, like, because I could hear

983
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.880
the gravel crunch a foot away from me right before

984
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.239
I unzipped that tent with have my flashlight out there, like,

985
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.400
and it was just there was nothing, and so it

986
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:31.840
was just so spooky.

987
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:35.840
Have you ever looked to see if there's any other

988
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.000
things that have been reported in that same area, since

989
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.639
you know where the location is, like on a BFRO

990
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.679
or Bigfoot map or anything with that.

991
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.119
I haven't. Actually, that's a good idea. I haven't. I

992
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:54.039
haven't done that. I mean, it's it's what's crazy is

993
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.400
it wasn't super far away from civilization, like it was

994
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.719
on the outskirts of that town called Cloverdale, you know,

995
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:06.119
between the actual beach and that town, and it's just

996
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:10.360
like some forested area like uh and right down right

997
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:12.840
down this I never thought of this till right now. Actually.

998
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.599
So the first house when you come off that highway

999
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.239
that you encounter is this old barn with a bunch

1000
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:23.119
of chickens running everywhere. And I wonder I almost wanted to,

1001
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.199
Like I wish I could have just gone knocked on

1002
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.800
their door, like, hey, have you happened to have been

1003
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:31.679
seeing chickens go missing lately? Because that would have been

1004
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.719
that that would have been like the perfect spot for

1005
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.800
a bigfoot to want to hang out, like, because there

1006
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.559
was just like probably like at least fifty to one

1007
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:45.239
hundred chickens just in and around that barn, just clucking

1008
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.239
around and picking, you know, pecking food and stuff. So

1009
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.000
and it was like right down the ridge from where

1010
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:52.719
that all occurred.

1011
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.440
Oh yeah, it'd be easy food. Soores. But I think

1012
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:59.679
something that a lot of listeners might not get in

1013
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.280
less they go out to Oregon or something. Personally, I

1014
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.360
didn't get until I went out there this summer is

1015
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.760
how you can be in a town and you can

1016
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.760
just drive out the outside of the town and really

1017
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:14.880
not be that far away from it and have some

1018
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:16.400
really crazy stuff happen.

1019
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.199
Yeah, well, I think you know, the whole western side

1020
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:26.400
of the state is just covered in you know, what

1021
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:30.159
we would call rainforest essentially, like it's just you know,

1022
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.320
Douglas fir and white oak for you know, and other

1023
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.039
kinds of trees and stuff too, but like just all

1024
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:41.079
over and lots of BlackBerry bushes that kind of make

1025
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:44.599
it harder for some you know, your average person to

1026
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.320
try and get to in certain locations. And it's just

1027
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:48.880
like as soon as you get out of a city

1028
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:54.159
like that, because in Utah, for example, you know, you

1029
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.199
get into the Salt Lake City area and you've got

1030
00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:58.239
one town that just bleeds right into the next, and

1031
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.519
then it's like that whole like corridor or down to

1032
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.480
like Spanish Fork area where it's just town after town

1033
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.000
after town, Provo, Lehigh, all those areas. But like Oregon

1034
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.559
is different, Like you get out of a city and

1035
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.159
you try to make your way to another town or

1036
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.000
from a town to another town, you're going through a

1037
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.000
lot of countryside and often a lot of forest.

1038
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:19.559
Absolutely.

1039
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:19.880
Yeah.

1040
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:23.519
I was out in a small town called Oakridge, way

1041
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:28.679
out in the Willamette National Forest, and that area is

1042
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.280
just Bigfoot central. You can talk to anyone in the

1043
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.280
town pretty much and everyone has has a Bigfoot story

1044
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:38.800
out there. It's it's pretty sweet. But you had mentioned

1045
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:44.639
that Sean had also some like paranormal type Bigfoot stories

1046
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.079
as well that he had shared with you.

1047
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:51.599
Yeah, there is, Uh, it was one thing that I

1048
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:57.400
remember sticking out where this was. This is I think

1049
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.920
probably one of the craziest things I've ever heard where

1050
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.920
he and he said this too. And I actually do

1051
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:08.440
have one other slightly sort of paranormal related story that

1052
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:11.400
isn't Bigfoot, but it is kind of in that realm

1053
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.480
that I can tell you after this too. But he

1054
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:18.239
talked about how him and his buddies back in like

1055
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:23.920
the seventies were hanging out somewhere in that Silverton area

1056
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:27.599
out in the forest, and he said that like they

1057
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.320
were up on higher ground and they were looking down

1058
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.119
into this sort of valley, but like the valley had

1059
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:37.960
like trees and such, it was like forested, and he

1060
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:42.760
claimed that there was like they saw basically a portal

1061
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:49.039
open and a green like shape of a human being

1062
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:51.079
or something at least that had two arms and two

1063
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:55.639
legs come out of it and then like sprint super

1064
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.199
fast up towards them, but like more to their right,

1065
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.400
and it kind of veered off to a different direction.

1066
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.000
And he he just told me, he's like, I have

1067
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.119
no idea what to make of that, Like that was

1068
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:14.280
just the craziest experience. And hearing it myself, I'm like, yeah,

1069
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:17.840
that is a freaking wild experience, because what do you

1070
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:20.800
do with something like that, Like what do you I

1071
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.119
don't even know where to what, you know, what kind

1072
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:27.079
of place to start with when it comes to something

1073
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:27.480
like that.

1074
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:32.679
You know, that's that's pretty wild. I was not expecting

1075
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:37.000
the portals to come out, but man, I'll tell you,

1076
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.079
I'm at the point where it's like pretty much all

1077
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:43.559
bets are off and it's going to be interesting. If

1078
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.840
someone in the comments is like, like they know who

1079
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.679
Sean and his old school buddies were in Silverton. I'm

1080
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.519
sure the comments are so crazy and these things. I'm

1081
00:57:55.559 --> 00:58:00.280
sure someone Yeah, but guys, don't don't use his real name,

1082
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:01.760
but reach out to me. Wank wank.

1083
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:09.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it is pretty I mean that

1084
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.519
kind of a thing is something out of like Skinwalker Ranch,

1085
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.199
you know, like that's that's the kind of stuff that

1086
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:18.719
I'm like, what in the like because I want to

1087
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:22.639
believe him, but I have no frame of reference to

1088
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.840
to sort of where to categorize something like that, you know,

1089
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:28.000
I mean, I of course have a frame of reference

1090
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:29.840
in the sense that like, yeah, that sounds like something

1091
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:33.360
out of old you know, fairy tales and folklore or

1092
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:34.679
out of sci fi.

1093
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:38.159
Movie, but like out of reality. No, Like that's that's great.

1094
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:40.800
But like, you know, he already had been telling me

1095
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.679
about his bigfoot experiences and he was he also was

1096
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.000
like not really wanting to go into that, but I

1097
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:47.519
kind of pushed him and I was like, dude, tell

1098
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:50.639
me the craziest thing you've seen. And he's like, all right, fine,

1099
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.039
like you want to hear it, like this is the craziest.

1100
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.159
And that was his And with you know, you always

1101
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.039
wonder like was that really the craziest if if if

1102
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.719
he are you know, or is there other things he's

1103
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:06.320
holding back with that many decades of experience, you know,

1104
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:07.199
I don't know.

1105
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.559
No, it wasn't there's no idea it's the craziest. You

1106
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:12.239
probably would have had to hang out with him for

1107
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:14.920
a few more years to get to that point, I'm guessing.

1108
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:18.400
But all right, still, that's that's that's pretty wild. So

1109
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:21.239
it was a it was a green like humanoid, you

1110
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:21.679
were saying.

1111
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.519
Yeah, he said. The way he made it sound was

1112
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.599
that it was like a being of light, like, uh,

1113
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.639
it was like a like a It wasn't like a

1114
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.159
you know, a lizard person or something like that, or

1115
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:36.920
even like a green alien. He said. It just looked

1116
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.079
like the whole thing was like the shape of a

1117
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:44.679
human and it was like just light, like vibrating green,

1118
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.920
bright light. And he was this thing was made up

1119
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.239
of that and it just ran out of the kind

1120
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.719
of the scene in the in the time and space

1121
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.280
or whatever, and then just ran off somewhere in the forest.

1122
00:59:56.360 --> 01:00:00.679
Like So yeah, that was that was the details he

1123
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.440
gave me, And that was I didn't push too much

1124
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:05.679
further for more because right that already was hard enough

1125
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.280
to try and like, you know, grapple with where I

1126
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:11.159
was like, oh gosh, like that's freaking crazy. Let's let's

1127
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.880
get back to Bigfoot. That's at least somewhat normal, you know.

1128
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:17.519
And the best part about this is just Sean is

1129
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:22.239
just an older dude who was into Bigfoot since the

1130
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.119
sixties or seventies, and like he's not trying to sell

1131
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:28.400
you a book or like, you know, anything weird like

1132
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.159
that big for society who will be right back after

1133
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:50.039
these messages. Like he's just like, dude, this happened. And

1134
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:52.719
I think that's the that's the coolest part of all. Really.

1135
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.599
Yeah, he's just an old cowboy kind of guy living

1136
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:59.880
in you know, living in an organ with no uh,

1137
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.199
you know, no no dog in the fight. No, he's

1138
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:04.440
not trying to push an agenda or anything like that. Like,

1139
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:10.440
so yeah, I think that was one of the reasons

1140
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:12.039
why I felt like I could trust him, because I

1141
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.800
was like, he's totally there mentally, like with it, Like

1142
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:20.760
he teaches the youth groups at that church, you know,

1143
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:26.000
like he's you know, trusted guy in the community and everything.

1144
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.079
And I don't know how many people know that he

1145
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:32.079
was into Bigfoot or not, but yeah, that was that's

1146
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:32.639
who he was.

1147
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:39.679
That's legit. That's so legit. I mean, just we need

1148
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:44.599
more solid dudes that are also into bigfoots as well. Yeah,

1149
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.400
that's pretty cool. You were saying that there is you

1150
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.239
had maybe another weird story as well.

1151
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.239
Yeah, and I'll try and keep this one brief because

1152
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.480
I mean, I don't know, I know everyone's here kind

1153
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.320
of more for Bigfoot. But one time in high school,

1154
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.559
this would have been probably in twenty ten or so,

1155
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.119
me and my this I live. I grew up in Dallas, Oregon.

1156
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.039
So Dallas is a little just a few miles southwest

1157
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.880
of Salem, Oregon. And one time me and my buddies

1158
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:18.800
were playing it was either like Cops and Robbers or Fugitives,

1159
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:20.199
you know, the kind of game where you chase each

1160
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.320
other in your cars and you run across the neighborhood

1161
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:29.360
and stuff. And so there was this neighborhood called Bridlewood,

1162
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:33.960
and then there's another like the rest of the actual

1163
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.880
outskirts of Dallas proper, that we were trying to get

1164
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:42.039
from Bridlewood to Dallas. In between those two areas there's

1165
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.800
mostly just like a field and a cemetery. It's the

1166
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:54.400
Dallas Cemetery. And me and my buddy, who i'll call Brody, like,

1167
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.880
we thought it'd be clever to jump the fence into

1168
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:00.159
the cemetery to run away from one of our their

1169
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.199
buddies in the car who's going to try and get

1170
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.119
out of the car and chase us. And so we

1171
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.039
heard him, our buddy chasing after us. We jumped into

1172
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:15.000
the cemetery. We hid behind some headstone. The had what

1173
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:18.559
do you call those again, tombstones, and we were kind

1174
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:22.199
of like get catch on our breath there, and as

1175
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:24.400
we started, we felt like no one was around, so

1176
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:26.960
we stood up and we started walking towards the other

1177
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.000
side of the cemetery to hop that fence to get

1178
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.760
into that field before, so that maybe we could run

1179
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.400
through that to get to Dallas proper, where my other

1180
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:40.360
buddy's house was. So when we got up though, both

1181
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:44.400
of us heard something or someone running towards us. So

1182
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:49.559
we assumed it was that same buddy of ours that

1183
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.440
had we thought had given up, but that he must

1184
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.639
have snuck in or something. So we start running because

1185
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:59.039
we don't want to get caught. But as we're running, like,

1186
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:05.079
I turn around and I see this sort of it's

1187
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.599
in the dark, but there are some of those like

1188
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:11.480
cemetery sort of lamps that are around, you know, so

1189
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.159
I could just sort of make out something running towards us,

1190
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:17.119
but it didn't look like it was really a person.

1191
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:21.000
It was like on four legs, and both of us

1192
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.079
like we're running in the same direction, and we kind

1193
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:27.840
of got separated, and this thing was still running after us,

1194
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.280
and I turn and I could have sworn I saw

1195
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.679
like a flash of red and it almost seemed like

1196
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:37.960
it was like canine and it was running at us,

1197
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:39.679
and there was like a flash of red in its eyes,

1198
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:42.440
and it was something big. I could tell. It was

1199
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.559
kind of shaggy and black. I thought it was. It

1200
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:49.800
was probably like maybe like a watchdog or something like that.

1201
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:52.599
But then when we actually get to the actual fence,

1202
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.800
we stop there and start to climb it, and this

1203
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.000
thing started running towards us, and when it gets to

1204
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:01.360
a point where it's in the shadows, it just seems

1205
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.719
to kind of disappear, like it just we couldn't see

1206
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:07.079
where it went or anything. And we fall over the

1207
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:10.719
other side of the fence and we both turned to

1208
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.320
each other like in a pile of hay, and we're like, dude,

1209
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:18.079
what the heck was that? And my buddy Brody was like, dude,

1210
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:22.519
did you hear the drumming? And I said, what drumming?

1211
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:24.199
What are you talking about? And he's like, you didn't

1212
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.559
hear that it like I could hear like this this

1213
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.360
drumming coming from from back there where that thing started

1214
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.960
running after us, and I was like, dude, that's I

1215
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:36.239
don't let's just go. So we like we got up

1216
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:40.000
and started running towards our buddy's house there in Dallas.

1217
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.960
And when we got there, neither of us, like, I

1218
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:45.760
don't think we even told our friends. We just kind

1219
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.280
of like kept it to ourselves and we're like, what

1220
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:49.880
in the world was that. I think we talked about

1221
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:51.400
it a little bit later that night because I wanted

1222
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.320
to confirm what he saw, and he as well spelt

1223
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.519
like he saw a big black, shaggy dog with red

1224
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:58.599
eyes running towards us, and then it kind of disappeared

1225
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:03.280
into the shadows. And it wasn't until like ten years

1226
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:07.440
later when I was just hanging out and that memory

1227
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:10.280
came back to my mind and I was like, I

1228
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.679
just googled like black dog, red eyes cemetery. And it

1229
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.639
turns out there's like this whole folklore about what they

1230
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:22.159
call in England, they call it the grim or the

1231
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:27.280
church Grim, and it goes along with this whole idea

1232
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:31.400
apparently where they used to think that the first person

1233
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:33.559
to be buried in a cemetery had to sort of

1234
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:37.000
ferry the souls to the other side, and so they

1235
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:39.159
didn't want to condemn a human to that. So they'd

1236
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.639
usually bury an animal, often the dog, and that that

1237
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:45.400
thing would be sort of the guardian of the cemetery

1238
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:48.920
and would chase after you, and the description always is

1239
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.679
the same. Another thing they call it is the black shuck,

1240
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.880
and it's always a big, black, shaggy dog with glowing

1241
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:00.559
red eyes. And I was like, dude, this is this

1242
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.599
is exactly. This is crazy. So I sent that to

1243
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:08.079
my buddy Brody and he was like, dude, this is

1244
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:10.519
I think this is what we experienced. And then I

1245
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:12.639
remembered the drumming thing, and I was like, what's that about?

1246
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.639
So I started learning about trying to find out what

1247
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:17.000
that was, and I learned about something that's sort of

1248
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.800
like a folklore motif called the wild hunt, which is

1249
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:25.239
like when all the the sort of other worldly creatures

1250
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:28.079
or beings come from the other side on certain nights

1251
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.079
and they like march through and they have like drummers

1252
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:33.360
in the back, and often like hell hounds or things

1253
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:37.599
like that will be accompanying it, and that whole thing

1254
01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:39.679
was just really interesting. But I just thought it was

1255
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.360
you know, the whole drumming thing could have been maybe

1256
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:47.360
that I guess like, but anyways, like it was definitely

1257
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.000
a weird experience. And every time that he and I

1258
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:53.320
get back together were always like, dude, you remember that

1259
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:56.079
time in the cemetery, like and we try and you know,

1260
01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:58.239
piece together more details and things like that.

1261
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:04.679
Dude, that's that's weird that I I kind of tap

1262
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:06.960
out at the bigfoot stuff, you.

1263
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:12.760
Know that, yeah, man, And once again like I that's

1264
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:16.439
all just folklore, man, Like that's all just mythology and stuff.

1265
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.920
But like I've got a strong, like you know background

1266
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:23.079
ancestrally like in the British Isles, and so did my buddy,

1267
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:25.199
and so I'm like, you know, could it have been

1268
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:27.800
something related in that way? Like I don't know, like,

1269
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.640
but it was, Yeah, it was. It was weird. I've

1270
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.600
never I've never seen like ghosts or nothing like that.

1271
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.800
I've never had an alien abduction or other crazy things

1272
01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.479
like that. That's the only other sort of thing that

1273
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:43.640
I'm like that could have been a little bit wild.

1274
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:43.920
You know.

1275
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:50.000
Oh, absolutely, you have an interesting background. Have you ever

1276
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:54.159
or what do you think Bigfoot.

1277
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:58.920
Is Oh dude, that's the yeah, that's the big question, right.

1278
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.239
Like I started off, of course, like everyone does, thinking

1279
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:06.560
it was probably like some you know, unknown ape running around,

1280
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.880
and then I thought maybe the whole gigantipithecust thing. But

1281
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:13.159
it was it didn't take long for me because for

1282
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.640
a long time I would sort of reject any story

1283
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:18.399
that I heard on podcasts or in real life from

1284
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:23.119
other people I knew about, like there being any sort

1285
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:25.800
of anything that was sort of supernatural. I was like, nah,

1286
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:28.399
that's you know, that's weird. But then I eventually started

1287
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:31.159
to realize, I'm like, wait a second, Like, how come

1288
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.520
I'm cool with this idea that you know that science

1289
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.800
already rejects this idea that there's a giant wood ape

1290
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:40.399
running around? How come I'm cool with believing that but

1291
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:43.760
not anything else, you know, And people start I started

1292
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:46.920
hearing consistencies like the whole glowing orbs of light, which

1293
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:49.720
is apparently so common for people in their Bigfoot experience,

1294
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:53.039
and that I started hearing more and more often, and

1295
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:57.760
other like aspects to their tales that you know, this

1296
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.119
whole idea that they can disappear at will, and and

1297
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.600
these all things often align with certain Native American tribes

1298
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:07.880
and what they sort of believe Bigfoot to be and

1299
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:14.319
not just an animal. So I started, I think, not

1300
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:16.720
too far into it, realizing I don't think this is

1301
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.720
just an ape. So it started making me wonder, like, well,

1302
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:22.680
what is it though, because you know, maybe it's like

1303
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:25.800
a relic hominid. I've heard people talk about that it's

1304
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:29.920
sort of like a you know, like a Neanderthal homo

1305
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:34.960
erectus denisovan kind of creature that just is a leftover

1306
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.079
from a bygone age. But that still to me, I

1307
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:41.479
love that idea. I hope that's what it is, because

1308
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:43.760
that would be that or an ape would be much

1309
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:48.119
more easy to explain and really cool because we at

1310
01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:51.520
least have sort of a knowledge, you know, a fossil

1311
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.039
record or something that can kind of corroborate that idea.

1312
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:57.199
But like, it just seems like there's a lot of

1313
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.560
other things that if we're going to take other all

1314
01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:02.399
of the story seriously, like or at least all the

1315
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:04.680
aspects of it and all the folklore that goes around

1316
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:06.960
with it, like, then I don't think it can be

1317
01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:10.720
just an ape or a relic commonid. And I you know,

1318
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:14.880
I started looking into the whole nephileine idea, and i'd really,

1319
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.479
I think it's cool. Personally, I don't think that's as

1320
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.600
likely for me. In my personal opinion, it seems to

1321
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:26.479
me like a lot of the nepheline giants and such

1322
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:31.279
were more human like and less animalistic, although there are

1323
01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:36.039
apocryphal books like the Book of Jashure that indicate there

1324
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.119
might have been when it comes to this whole idea

1325
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:41.079
of fallen angels coming to the earth and messing things up,

1326
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.520
that they had relations with animals too, and that could

1327
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:48.239
be where some of these ideas of you know, centaurs

1328
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:51.800
and satyrs and all other kind of cryptid creatures could

1329
01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:57.039
come from. But like my own theological kind of belief system,

1330
01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:02.680
doesn't really I don't find find the argument of angels

1331
01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:04.920
being able to procreate with humans to be that. I

1332
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.840
don't find that argument to be super compelling personally, so

1333
01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:10.479
I've moved away from that so I look into the

1334
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:13.560
alien thing. I'm not as convinced by that either, although

1335
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:15.359
I do think it is weird that there are sort

1336
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:18.800
of UFO crafts sometimes that will be reported in connection

1337
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:23.520
with these creatures. Growing up in the church, of Jesus

1338
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.079
Christ of Latter day Saints. It's very popular that people

1339
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:31.039
will have this folklore that Bigfoot and his like are

1340
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.920
you know, are actually descendants of Cain from the Bible.

1341
01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:37.840
And that goes back to an old Mormon kind of

1342
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:41.840
folk tale of one of the early church leaders in

1343
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:45.199
like the eighteen hundreds named David Patten, who had like

1344
01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:48.039
it's like a third late, third hand account or something

1345
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:51.960
of him coming across while he's riding his horse, you know,

1346
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.000
something that's as tall as him while he's on his horse,

1347
01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:56.279
and it comes out of the forest and covered in hair,

1348
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:59.319
and it talks with him, and he you know, rebukes

1349
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.920
him and says tells him to believe in this, this

1350
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:06.920
early leader, early apostle. I think his claim was that

1351
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:09.720
he thought it was Kine, because there's this sort of

1352
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:13.199
idea that Caine never died. I personally, I don't think

1353
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.319
that I think that that like there's I think that

1354
01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:18.840
that was probably if he did come across something, it

1355
01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:21.319
was probably a big foot, and he probably just projected

1356
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:25.199
his idea of it being Kine kind of onto the

1357
01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.800
being of whatever it was. And people can go and

1358
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.119
look that story up. It's pretty easy to find to

1359
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.560
just look up Bigfoot, Caine, you know, LDS or Mormon,

1360
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:38.960
right like, find something like that. But the one Sorry

1361
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:41.079
that this has taken so long, but I've I've been

1362
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.600
thinking about this for a long time. The thing that

1363
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:48.239
actually I think is most convincing, or at least seems

1364
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:51.319
to have the most in common with, actually comes out

1365
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:57.000
of sort of the early beliefs of of of kind

1366
01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:05.680
of the various yere Pan religions or pagan sort of beliefs.

1367
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:08.279
And it coincides a lot where I think with certain

1368
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:11.720
Native American beliefs, which is they're very similar to what

1369
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.840
people will call the fay. And I don't know if

1370
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:18.399
your listeners are familiar with that. It comes that term

1371
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:22.920
comes out of Celtic folklore, which is basically the phae

1372
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:24.680
is where we get the word faery from. And I

1373
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:26.399
know people are gonna roll their eyes and think, you know,

1374
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:29.439
fairies and big foot. This is sounding crazy, but like fairies,

1375
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.560
we're not talking only like you know, pixies and things

1376
01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.800
from tinker Bell and stuff from Disneyland like this. The

1377
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:40.159
fae was the word that was used to describe like nature, spirits,

1378
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.800
and other sort of other worldly entities that come from

1379
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:48.439
beyond the veil essentially into our realm, and like during

1380
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:51.279
times of the year like Halloween and stuff, is when

1381
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:56.520
like that time is when you know, the separation between

1382
01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:59.640
our world and another crazy world kind of becomes thinner.

1383
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.760
And these Faye beings, which can I think it's kind

1384
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.880
of an umbrella term for for anything that is like

1385
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:14.079
kind of unexplainable and strange. These creatures, whether they're you know,

1386
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.800
bigfoot things or like elf like creatures like from something

1387
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:20.680
out of Lord of the Rings or whatever, like or

1388
01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:24.319
you know, the dog man wear wolf stuff, or or

1389
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:27.159
even if they are like actual little tiny, you know,

1390
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.720
winged fairies or whatever, like all those kind of things

1391
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:32.439
can be classified under this idea of the fay. And

1392
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.439
there's a lot of weird folklore, especially with the whole

1393
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:40.720
Missing four one one phenomena with David Poliita's and a

1394
01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:47.600
lot of like old like old what do you call them,

1395
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.760
like the early settler stories of Bigfoot and some of

1396
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:52.920
the Native American stories of Bigfoot. Like there's all these

1397
01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:56.840
weird commonalities where like these things are kind of like

1398
01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:02.600
tricksters from mythology, like and there's strange things like horses

1399
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:06.920
on certain people's property will have their mains sort of braided.

1400
01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:10.760
And then the old you know European countries where these

1401
01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:13.640
folklore beliefs were had, like in Wales and Scotland and

1402
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:17.079
Ireland and such, they would call those fairy fairy braids

1403
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:20.279
or you know, fay locks and things like that. But

1404
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:23.279
here in the United States and Canada back in the

1405
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:25.159
day when those things would be discovered, they would call

1406
01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:28.000
them Sasquat's braids or big foot braids. So like is

1407
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:31.560
it's like a weird, weird like coincidence that like they

1408
01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:34.359
do some of these similar things, or that you know,

1409
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.560
that this idea that they can come in and out

1410
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.359
of another reality big.

1411
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:41.800
For society, who will be right back after these messages.

1412
01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:00.319
It's just really fascinating. I think if people are to

1413
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:04.880
start looking more into the connections between sort of pre

1414
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:10.479
pre Christian beliefs of peoples in Europe and you know,

1415
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:13.479
the the Americas and other places, they'll start to realize

1416
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:19.119
that like the relation between you know, bigfoot creatures and

1417
01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:21.479
then you know these the fay and and often I

1418
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:23.960
think the most classic depiction of the fay usually is

1419
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:29.000
like dwarf and and like goblin, like little little people

1420
01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:31.520
like little creatures. And I know that there's Native American

1421
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:33.680
folklore like the puck wedgie and things like that that

1422
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:37.199
are that go along with with with that as well.

1423
01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:40.399
So anyways, that's a really long explanation. I'm sorry.

1424
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:44.079
Now I love it. That's a great overview of pretty

1425
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:48.680
much a ton of great options. And you know, I'll

1426
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:50.880
tell you outside of the podcast, I have a lot

1427
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:55.640
of conversations with different people, and uh, that whole fay

1428
01:17:55.680 --> 01:18:00.000
slash fairy thing to do with Bigfoot has come up

1429
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.920
more than a few times. It's it's very interesting to

1430
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.880
talk about. But have you ever read the two book

1431
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:07.920
series where the Footprints end.

1432
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:14.800
I've heard about it. Isn't that Timothy Renner's book. Yeah,

1433
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.479
I haven't gotten the chance to order it and read

1434
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.920
it or anything, but I've heard it talked about, and

1435
01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:21.800
I know that there he kind of goes into some

1436
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:24.159
of those ideas. In fact, I might have gotten some

1437
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:27.119
of my knowledge about the topic from listening to him

1438
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:28.640
talk about it.

1439
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:33.359
It's it's probably I would say, the best book resource

1440
01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:41.560
for looking at Bigfoot through the viewpoint of paranormal related

1441
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.279
type things. Yeah, it's pretty cool, so I would definitely

1442
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:46.359
recommend checking it out.

1443
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:49.800
And the and the bummer part about my answer is

1444
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:54.199
that it's we still have no idea what it is.

1445
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:56.920
It's basically me just transferring, you know, passing the book,

1446
01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.680
just transferring. Oh, well, we don't know what bigfoot is.

1447
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:01.560
Maybe it's a fay. Well, what's a fay. Oh, we

1448
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:03.159
don't know what a fay is either, but at least

1449
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.039
we kind of have sort of a category that maybe

1450
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:10.960
it can fit in, you know, so uh, and you know,

1451
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.680
trying to figure out where that can fit for those

1452
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:17.159
who are a Christian is always a fun ride as well,

1453
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.640
because it's like, all right, well, you know, where does

1454
01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:22.119
that fit in with my paradigm and stuff. So it's

1455
01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:24.760
definitely something that will it's a mind rattler, it's a

1456
01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:27.239
it's something and I find all that fun to think about.

1457
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:30.079
I know some people they're like, you know, downright uncomfortable

1458
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:33.359
trying to consider anything that might be outside there the

1459
01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:35.560
realm of possibilities that they're comfortable with. But like, I

1460
01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:38.640
think it's something that is good for us to to

1461
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:40.079
wonder about and learn about, you know.

1462
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:42.359
No, I think it's good and especially if you're reading

1463
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.279
stuff like you know, the Bible and you realize, hey,

1464
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:48.000
there's weird stuff in here, and what's to say that

1465
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:51.039
the weird stuff start stopped happening back in the day,

1466
01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:53.840
And like there's no weird stuff happening now, dude, there's

1467
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:58.039
still weird stuff happening now. We're just all too distracted, so.

1468
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:02.119
Right, yeah, we're all looking at our phones and and uh,

1469
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.199
you know, going to work in and day. It's That's

1470
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:06.039
something that I always find funny, is like for those

1471
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:08.199
who are really skeptical about the big footing, like my

1472
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:12.159
I know members of my family that feel this way

1473
01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:15.199
where they're like, no, that's that's all. That's all silliness,

1474
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:17.039
that's all you know, there's no way that stuffs real

1475
01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:18.840
that you've just imagined everything. Then you've gone into the

1476
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:22.239
woods basically. And I'm like, you know for someone who

1477
01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:24.199
because they'll often say like, well, I've gone out in

1478
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:25.800
the forest plenty of times and I've never seen a

1479
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:27.479
big foot, or like they'll say like, I know hunters

1480
01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:29.159
who've gone into the forest plenty of times, they never

1481
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:32.039
see a sass watch like and I'm like, yeah, like

1482
01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:36.640
the someone who you know, for someone who just drives

1483
01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:39.119
to work and then comes home and watches Netflix, goes

1484
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:41.039
to sleep, and then drives back to work the next day,

1485
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:43.399
and then yeah, occasionally has a hike on a trail

1486
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:46.319
that everyone else goes on on a Saturday. They'll wonder,

1487
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:48.600
you're not going to see a big foot, like you

1488
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:50.119
know what I mean? Oh?

1489
01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:54.359
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, I agree with you, man, ah man,

1490
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.960
this is uh, this has been a fun conversation. Uh

1491
01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:01.399
went in a lot of different areas. I didn't think

1492
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:04.439
we would be going. But I appreciate you coming on

1493
01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:08.880
Riley and chatting and definitely keep me in the loop.

1494
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:12.399
If you continue to get out there and you know,

1495
01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:15.800
do these little you know, kind of checking out different areas.

1496
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:18.079
Let me know if anything ever happens in the future.

1497
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:22.479
Yeah, man, we'll do I I uh, maybe the next

1498
01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:24.600
time or if we have time right now. I don't know.

1499
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:28.439
But like my sister uh called me a few days

1500
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:31.960
ago or a few weeks ago, sorry, and let me

1501
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:36.239
know that she saw one. So that was pretty mind

1502
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:36.840
blowing for me.

1503
01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:38.479
I mean, I got I got time right now.

1504
01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:47.399
Okay, sorry, I love that out there right yeah. But yeah, man,

1505
01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:49.960
So I was just hanging out at dinner with my

1506
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:55.399
aunt and uncle and uncle and uncle's place, and uh,

1507
01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:58.399
I get a call from my sister who's currently out

1508
01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:03.399
in Stanley, Idaho at Redfish Redfish Lake, I think that's

1509
01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:06.279
what it's called, Red Red Red something or other. So

1510
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:09.720
that's she's just working at like a campsite place out there,

1511
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:12.399
and she's pulled over on the side of the road

1512
01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.439
and she skypes me and or face times me or whatever,

1513
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:20.560
and she's just like, Riley, I had to call you

1514
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:23.039
because I think you're the only person who knows anything

1515
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:26.760
about this. But like, I think I just saw something

1516
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:28.680
kind of weird. I'm like, oh, boy, like you know,

1517
01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:32.520
rub my hands together, like, yeah, what did you see?

1518
01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.039
And she's like, so, I'm driving down the road and like,

1519
01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.000
you know, fifty yards in front of me or so,

1520
01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:42.359
I'm like, why is there a gorilla in the road?

1521
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.600
And then she's like and then I'm like, wait, there's

1522
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.560
a gorilla in the road? What the heck? And she

1523
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:51.239
said that this it's on a It's basically it's like

1524
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:54.600
a gorilla on you know, four legs, kind of loping

1525
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:57.439
off to the right to go off into the forest

1526
01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:00.000
and it's like halfway across the road. And she's like,

1527
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.600
but then it stands up and I'm like, oh, wait,

1528
01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:05.039
so it's a dude, Like, well, what's a dude doing

1529
01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.199
out here? And then she's like as I get closer,

1530
01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:10.079
you know, it makes its way into the forest and

1531
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:12.600
then it's gone and I can't see it. And I'm like,

1532
01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:15.399
she's like, do you think I saw what I think

1533
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:17.600
I might have seen. I'm like, are you asking if

1534
01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:20.199
you think? Are you asking if I think you think

1535
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:24.239
you saw a sasquatch? And she's like, yeah, I'm like

1536
01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:27.359
I think you probably did. I mean to think about

1537
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:31.079
this logically, like, you know, there aren't gorillas in Idaho,

1538
01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:34.119
and unless it escaped from a zoo and you're in Stanley,

1539
01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:35.640
that's in the middle of nowhere, you're not in your

1540
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:40.840
boise or anything. And then they're like, if it, you know,

1541
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.079
it's gorillas can stand up on two legs, But the

1542
01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:45.119
fact that you thought it was a dude goes to

1543
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.640
show that it looked pretty comfortable on its two legs,

1544
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:49.439
you know. But the fact that you thought it was

1545
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:52.600
a gorilla before makes you think, like, well, which one

1546
01:23:52.640 --> 01:23:54.680
is it? It can't be both, you know, or is

1547
01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:56.439
it something that is kind of like both? Which is

1548
01:23:56.479 --> 01:23:59.439
you know what a sasquatch is. So I was like,

1549
01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:02.199
what color was it? And she said it was really

1550
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:05.039
dark brown, which is, you know, super common to hear.

1551
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:09.199
And I was like, did you catch any details? She's like, nah,

1552
01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:10.920
I wasn't able to see like a face or anything.

1553
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:14.840
I was too far away. And I was like, well,

1554
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:16.800
if it was a dude and he was in dark

1555
01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:22.239
brown clothes, he's, you know, wandering down the highway near Stanley, Idaho,

1556
01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:25.119
in the middle of nowhere in the wilderness, covered in

1557
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:27.800
brown clothes, like and he just want I was like,

1558
01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:29.800
is there any trails around there to go hiking. She's

1559
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:31.880
like no, I'm I'm like off on a part of

1560
01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.720
the highway that's just straight up wilderness. There's nothing else

1561
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:37.359
around here. And I was like, well, dang, Like that

1562
01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:40.039
seems like a really strange thing for a person to do,

1563
01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:44.039
if it's a person. So yeah, that was that was

1564
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:46.920
really fun to hear, because you know, now I have

1565
01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:50.600
someone in my own family who not only is like, hey,

1566
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:53.199
this could be real, but they're like, no, I've seen one,

1567
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:56.640
like you know, and it was so quick and so

1568
01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.640
fast for her that she feels like, yeah, most likely

1569
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:01.479
was a big foot, but like it's not like she

1570
01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:04.640
was able to, like, you know, examine it for a

1571
01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:06.880
certain amount of time on a lab table or anything.

1572
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:12.239
So wow, that's awesome. That is That is a really

1573
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:17.239
cool story too. Uh. It's because it's it's different than

1574
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:20.439
most of the ones you hear. Just I don't think

1575
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:23.159
I've ever heard another one where it's like on all

1576
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.000
fours in the middle of the highway and then gets

1577
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:28.520
up and walks off. That's just that's legit.

1578
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:31.880
Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was cool.

1579
01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:33.560
I was like super jealous because I was like, that

1580
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:36.359
would be for me. The ideal way to experience that

1581
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.359
bigfoot is like in my car safe where I just

1582
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:41.399
see it and then it walks into the woods and

1583
01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:43.680
I'm be like, boom, I know they're real now, you know.

1584
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:47.359
Yeah, man, I don't know if I'd be able to

1585
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:49.560
handle it, because every day after that I would be

1586
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.239
thinking why didn't I have a what's it called.

1587
01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:55.359
Dash cam?

1588
01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:57.760
Dash cam? Every day? It would haunt me.

1589
01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:03.039
Yeah, totally man. Yeah. And she's not even like I

1590
01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:05.720
mean she she thinks it's a she Up to this point,

1591
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:07.840
my younger sister, she thought it was a fun idea,

1592
01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:11.600
and she indulged me whenever I wanted to tell her

1593
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:14.079
about what I'd been learning and according to all the

1594
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:18.239
lore and all that. But like I still even now,

1595
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:20.520
it's not like she's I don't think she's ever like

1596
01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:22.800
tried to like listen to any podcasts or about it.

1597
01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:24.920
For her, She's just like, yeah, that was that was

1598
01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:26.640
kind of crazy. I guess bigfos are real, and she

1599
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.319
just goes on with her day like different personalities, you

1600
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:29.840
know what I mean.

1601
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:35.960
Yep, totally. Oh that's that's cool though, good stuff. Hmm man,

1602
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.479
what what a fun conversation. Any any other any other

1603
01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:42.880
things that you want to share, Riley before we wrap

1604
01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:44.000
things up? You think.

1605
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.159
I'm trying to think? I mean, there's one other story

1606
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:52.279
that is from the uh or I'll and I won't

1607
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:55.720
even go to detail on these, but two other things

1608
01:26:55.760 --> 01:27:00.960
I can mention is that my cousin and his buddy

1609
01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:06.079
they went down to Roseberg area Roseberg, Organ, which is

1610
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:10.359
kind of close to Eugene area hotspot. And yeah, basically

1611
01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:17.039
they were hunting and they were that night like they

1612
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:19.960
went out and they had already previously talked with the

1613
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:22.319
dude whose property they were on, and he was like, hey,

1614
01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:24.399
watch out for sasquatch out there. And they were like, ah,

1615
01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:27.359
very funny. He's like, no, I'm serious, and they're like okay.

1616
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:32.279
And and then so they go and are hunting, and

1617
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:35.840
that night when they were getting their fire ready, they

1618
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:39.880
my cousin says that they heard like whoops, like these

1619
01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:44.000
whoop whoop, and then they started hearing the the chatter,

1620
01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:48.560
like the sort of Sierra sounds kind of stuff. And

1621
01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:51.239
he was like, dude, it was it was really weird.

1622
01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:54.720
It was like it sounded like they were talking in

1623
01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:56.960
a language that we couldn't understand, and it was like

1624
01:27:57.000 --> 01:27:58.840
they were whispering and we could hear it, but we

1625
01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:01.239
couldn't fully make out what they were hearing. And then

1626
01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:07.039
that night, apparently my cousin just sacked out and didn't

1627
01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:09.680
actually experience anything. He claims that his or not, he claims,

1628
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:12.520
but his buddy said that all that night they were

1629
01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:14.359
bluff charging the tent, like they'd run out of the

1630
01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:16.760
forest apparently and like skid to a halt right in

1631
01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:18.600
front of their tent and then would run off in

1632
01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:20.720
another direction and then come back and like skid to

1633
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:23.760
a halt and then run off and and he's he's

1634
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:25.520
had it freaked him out, and I talked with his

1635
01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:27.800
buddy I met. That was the first thing we talked

1636
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:30.359
about when we met, because my cousin basically just said,

1637
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:34.279
you know, Riley, meet Dan, Dan, meet Riley, Bigfoot, go

1638
01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:39.560
you know, and we were like, okay, and so we

1639
01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:42.239
were like just talking about that. But then so that

1640
01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:44.279
that was a fun thing to hear about. That was

1641
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:46.399
a few months ago that my cousin told me that.

1642
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.479
And then the last thing was like the very very

1643
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:52.560
first bigfoot story I ever heard was that buddy of

1644
01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:56.800
min named Brody, his older brother who all call Sam.

1645
01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:02.680
Sam and his buddy were at Camp Merryweather, which is

1646
01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:05.960
a boy scout camp on the Oregon coast, and their

1647
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:10.359
story basically was that they were hiking along at night

1648
01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:14.319
when they shouldn't have and they see this cow and

1649
01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:16.159
they're like, dude, have you ever been cow tipping? And

1650
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:18.479
they're like, no, let's go try it for the So

1651
01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:20.600
they start walking over to this cow and they say

1652
01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:23.640
that the cow stands up on two legs and they're like,

1653
01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:27.199
holy crap, it's not a cow. And it's like in

1654
01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:29.279
the moonlight and they can see it clear as day,

1655
01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:31.800
like it's got like, you know, dreadlocks hanging off it.

1656
01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:35.159
It's like this beast of a bigfoot and basically looks

1657
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:37.000
at him and he says, it runs off faster than

1658
01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:40.000
a horse could run, you know, and the you know,

1659
01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:42.399
they scared him. And I was like, you're messed with

1660
01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:44.279
me man growing up and he's like, nah, dude, I'll

1661
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.760
go to my grave, me and his buddy Mike, Like

1662
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:51.079
those are their names I'm giving them, but like they're like, yeah, dude,

1663
01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:54.279
we'll go to our graves knowing that we saw freaking bigfoot.

1664
01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:57.439
And I was like, okay, and it was I remember

1665
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.960
texting him after I got into this whole subject and

1666
01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:03.359
be like, dude, was that a real story? And he's like, yeah, man,

1667
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:06.079
that was real. Like and we're out of high school now,

1668
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.079
there's no reason for him to mess with me. Yeah,

1669
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:13.720
you know. So yeah, like we're both dudes with kids

1670
01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:16.159
and you know, out of college and everything, and he

1671
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:17.439
was like, yeah, that was real.

1672
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:23.279
The uh so, the dreadlocks thing is weird because I've

1673
01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:27.520
gotten that in reports multiple times too. And yeah, even

1674
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.359
out by uh there's a place called Spirit Lake out

1675
01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:34.760
by Oakridge, Oregon. Some guys got chased out of there

1676
01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:41.399
by what they said, we're uh sasquatch with uh why

1677
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:47.239
am I just blanking out dreadlocks hair? And uh you

1678
01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:49.640
know I used to think like, okay, how did the

1679
01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:55.279
Sasquatch get dreadlocks? But then I'm just now thinking, well, okay, logically,

1680
01:30:55.920 --> 01:31:05.079
if they can braid horse manes, why couldn't they do both?

1681
01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:06.640
You know, I don't know.

1682
01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:10.039
Yeah, And I mean drugs do sort of form naturally

1683
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:12.439
if you're not showering and stuff as well, but like

1684
01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:15.680
if it if it looks if they're cool looking, dreadlocks,

1685
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:20.039
usually they're on purpose, right, Like, so yeah, it's like

1686
01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:23.479
they could definitely give themselves, you know, as a style.

1687
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:29.680
I guess, so so funny to be talking about bigfoots hairstyles,

1688
01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:33.720
but yeah, like you know, it could be so anyways,

1689
01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:37.319
that is literally everything that I had a little list

1690
01:31:37.359 --> 01:31:39.399
on my I wrote down on paper that I was like,

1691
01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:41.439
I don't want to miss any of these that they're

1692
01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:44.479
all like, that's everything, that's all the interesting stuff I have.

1693
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:50.960
That's basically, uh, the anything, the most fascinating stories I

1694
01:31:50.960 --> 01:31:53.520
think I'll ever tell anyone all in one podcast.

1695
01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:57.880
So that's fantastic. I just want to say on the side. Roseberg, Yes,

1696
01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:01.560
is a definite hot spot. I took many Roseberg reports

1697
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:05.199
from when I was at Sasquatch Summerfest and Oakridge, which

1698
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:08.119
is a great festival that takes place out there. Now

1699
01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:11.319
second year is going to be next year. I was

1700
01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.760
at the first year just taking reports. But Riley, it

1701
01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:18.319
has been a pleasure chatting with you. As I said before,

1702
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:20.960
definitely keep me in mind for if you ever go

1703
01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:24.720
out and weird stuff happens in the future. But dude,

1704
01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:26.119
thank you so much for coming on.

1705
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:30.439
Sure man, I was a blast. Thanks for chatting me

1706
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:38.800
and enduring the lengthy discourses that I probably unwantingly was giving.

1707
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:40.159
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1727
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:48.239
thanks for listening.

1728
01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:39.600
Her and I can get on here. We can tell

1729
01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:42.159
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there.

1730
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.560
Listening that's too afraid to tell their story.

1731
01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:47.680
Maybe this will give them the courage to come out.

1732
01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:50.520
And I feel so bad about it. Who cares what

1733
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:53.479
anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's

1734
01:34:53.520 --> 01:35:12.279
out there. That's all I care about it. Please let

1735
01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:16.479
people know, Please let them know. If you ever see

1736
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:20.000
one of these things, you need to tell because if

1737
01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:34.960
you don't, then shame on you. You have shame on you.