Feb. 21, 2025

The Rainier Connection | Oregon

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron welcomes Dwayne Pintoff, a former nuclear engineer turned Bigfoot researcher. Dwayne shares his journey from working at the Trojan Nuclear Plant to investigating Bigfoot sightings. The...

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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron welcomes Dwayne Pintoff, a former nuclear engineer turned Bigfoot researcher. Dwayne shares his journey from working at the Trojan Nuclear Plant to investigating Bigfoot sightings. The conversation delves into chilling encounters in Rainier, Oregon, where Dwayne spent time researching and exploring the wilderness. From detailed descriptions of Bigfoot sightings in the Pacific Northwest to intriguing connections with previous guests, this episode uncovers fascinating details about one man's quest to understand the elusive Sasquatch.

Contact Dwayne: pintofde@yahoo.com

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slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege

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of talking to a bigfoot researcher you may have heard

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of before. He is pretty well known. His name is

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Dwayne Pintoff. But it's a privilege to have on the show. Dwayne,

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how's it going.

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Hey, how are you doing? Jeremiah. It's a pleasure to

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meet you and have this interview with you.

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Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I've been looking forward to chatting

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with you for quite a while. Let's start out with

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this before we get too far into it. You know,

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when I have a researchron, I like to know kind

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of what was it that got you first into the

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bigfoot field to begin with? So I think let's start

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there right at the beginning. What was it that got

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you into this to begin with?

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Dwaine, Well, there's a lot of people. I've had an

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interest of fascination with the subject since the Patterson Gamwin

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film was first released in the seventies, and then the

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other things came through in search of and legend of

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Boggy Creek. I mean, I had a fascination, but it

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was as a teenager, a kid, and I believe it

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was just Hollywood, you know, Hollywood boogeyman stuff until nineteen

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eighty three. And I grew up in South Carolina, lived

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in North and South Carolina through those through the early sixties, seventies, eighties,

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in the early nineties, and in eighty three, I was

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working in Georgetown, South Carolina, which is at the coast

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between Myrtle Beach and Charleston, South Carolina, as a electrical

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engineer field engineer on the paper on the International Paper Plant,

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which was about an eight nine month project. Thousands of

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people working there well. At that time, I lived a

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three and a half hour trip from my home in

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the foothills upper part of South Carolina, and we would

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work thirteen days on ten twelve hour days and then

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get two to three days off. Well, this particular weekend

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in August of eighty three, my middle brother's father in

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law was also an employee there. He was working as

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a Union pipefitter, and both of us lived within miles

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of each other back in the hills of Spartanburg County,

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and this particular weekend, his name was Brady. He had

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to take the same trip, the same commute points to

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go home as I did. On this particular Friday night,

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he didn't come through. It was called Watery Recreation Area.

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It's near the Sumter National Forest. It's about as the

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Crow Flies. It's twenty five miles from Columbia, South Carolina.

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It's twenty miles north of Shaw Air Force Base. That

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gives you the locality. It was very, very very isolated

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in the early eighties. Swampland thick thick wilderness area, lots

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of habitation, lots of wilderness wildlife. You had wild pigs, bears,

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numerous deer, and all other indigenous animals living in here.

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So in that time period, there wasn't hardly any commercialism

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between the town of Camden and the town of Liberty Hill,

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which was about a twenty mile stretch. And that's where

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Brady had his initial account encounter as he was driving

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home and he told me this story on the following Monday.

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He went out of his way to tell me because

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back then we had no cell phones or internet or

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any other communication, so he had to wait till he

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returned physically to the job to tell me that. On

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that Friday night, as he was passing through this very

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isolated location, he comes up on a car and the car,

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for no reason swerved. It was on a very straight

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area on the road itself where you could see like

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almost a mile ahead of you, and this car swerved

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suddenly and went off to the side of the road

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and over and then down a three four foot and

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slope of embankment. Well, Brady and I were both on

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the rescue squad back home, and he thinking, hey, someone's

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had a medical emergency, he said, he stopped his truck,

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got out of the truck, grabbed a flashlight, went up

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to the car and theywards he's knocking on the window,

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and there was two elderly ladies and they were very excited.

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Did you He got on the roll the window down there,

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yelling did you see it? Did you see it? Did

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you you see it? And I said, what did they see?

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Brady said, I'll tell you a minute. But he said,

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I wasn't worried about that. He said, I asked him.

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I offered him if they needed any help, if anyone

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had a medical emergency. They didn't, so he offered he

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had a four wheel drive pickup truck. He said, I

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think I can pull your car back up on the

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road so you can continue your drive home. And that

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was all he knew at that moment, And he said

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he walked back up to his truck, which was still

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on the side of the road. As he went around

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the back of the truck to opened the cap he

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had on the back to get the rope. That's when

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the flash light hit this thing right in the face.

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It was standing there within thirty I laiter, not this

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thirty feet from his position, and he's looking at his square.

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It's looking at him. He's looking at it, he said,

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and I'm like, what was it? Brady, wasn't the heck

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did you see? And he said, Dwayne, it was a monster. Well,

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we didn't ever talk about Bigfoot back in the eighties,

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even though I had seen those things at the movies

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and on television. Brady and I had never ever ever

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talked about any that he had zero. He was a

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down to earth guy, a deacon in the church. He

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was not the kind of talk about nonsense or anything

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science fiction. And I said, what did you see? And

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he said, Dwayne, he at that time he held both his

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arms out and his hands out. He said, it was

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bigger than any wrestler, or any bodybuild or any football player. Said, Dwayne,

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it was massive, and it was covered head to toe

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with black hair. And I said, what I'm the standing

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of looking, Well, the first thing that come to my

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mind is the falk Arkansas Monster, the Boggy Creek Monster. Again,

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neither one of us said Bigfoot. And I said, what

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in the heck did you see? He said, Dwayne, I

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don't know, but it was horrible. And he said I

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must have went in the shock. And I said why,

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He said, because I don't know how long I stood there.

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And I don't know why I didn't slam the back

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of the truck lid and run. He said, I don't know,

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but he said he some reason, this thing turned and

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it walked up to the wood edge, the wood tree

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edge of the woods, stopped for a second, and he

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said it turned back around and looked at him, and

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it made this gurgling.

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Growling sound. Guttur old got growling sound. And then he

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said it turned around. It just noncho I walked in

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and started breaking branches and sound like it was pushing

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trees over. And then I started quizzing him.

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I said, well, what in the world did it do

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before that? And he said, well, it didn't do anything

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but stand there and look at me. And he said

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he said, Dwayne, you know the big guerrilla we have

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at the River Bank Zoo in Columbia. I said, yeah,

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I've seen it. Will he be at Atlanta Zoo used

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to be And he said it looked just like that.

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In the face. He said it had a gray leather

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face and it had the same face, nose, and mouth

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as a gorilla. I said, well, then it was it

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a gorilla. He said it was not a gorilla. He

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said it walked like us. He said, it was not

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like I've seen gorillas walk. I said, okay, well, then

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what was it? He said, I don't know, and he

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said it had a pungent odor. He said it smelled

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like between a landfill. And he was a hunter at

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the time. He said that if I left a deer

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hanging in the woods in South Carolina for two or

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three days or roadkill, he said, that's what hit me

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when I stood there looking at it. And he said

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the hair was jet black from the head to the

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as far as he could see, down to the ankles,

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because it was down below the edge of the embankment.

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And he said it hung off its arms and was wet,

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like it had been in the swamp or been in

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something that was wet. All of it was glittening and wet.

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And he said, but other than it being huge, and

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that being the description of the smell and the behavior,

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it didn't do anything toward him. So he said when

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it went into the woods, he turned around and grabbed

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the rope and went over and managed to get the

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car back up on the road. And he never told

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the ladies what he had just witnessed. And he said,

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he said, he asked him again, what did you see

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what made you swirl off the road, and they said,

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as they were driving, a deer ran in front of

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their car, and this black thing they didn't know what

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it was, was right behind the deer and they almost

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hit and that's what they swerved to miss. So this

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was intrinching to me because I'm like, you know, I

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was like twenty four years old at the time, only

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I had always been an outdoors person, always done hunting

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and fishing and hiking and camping and the Boy Scouts

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and Explorer Scouts. I always had a passion for the woods.

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But I had never tied Bigfoot together with any of

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my wilderness activities up until that time in south of

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North Carolina, and this got me very interested. I want

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to know what Brady had witnessed. So he told the ladies,

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he asked me, that's what they call him. And so

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they drove off, and then he said he got into

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his truck was continuing to drive home, and they said

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that's when maybe reality set in because he got the

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shaking so badly he had to sit there and recompose

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himself for like thirty forty minutes before he could continue driving.

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So then on Monday morning, he's back at work, and

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you got to physically realize this guy wasn't. He wasn't

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the kind of pranksters and hoaxes. Did like the joke occasionally,

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but he would never have gotten into this and didn't

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even know enough to do a prank on this. He

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had walked this paper meal that we were working on

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was about the size of two big malls store commercial malls.

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His business of work was the pipe fitting work he

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was doing was like the other end of the mall,

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and he walked the distance to come to my work

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area where I was working on the probox and Modicon

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control systems, to make sure if I was going to

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drive through that area that I was aware of what

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he had seen on that previous Friday, so that I

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wouldn't end up in the situation he did, and that

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was the last time. He passed away two years ago

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at seventy eight years old, and that was the last

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time he ever willingly talked about it was at the

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job and after that I tried to catch him and

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get more information. He said, I'm not talking about it. It

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was a demon, it was a monster. I'm not talking

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about it, and none of we never told I talk

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about Bigfoot. But I went to that area. I ended

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up relocating and moving officially of Columbia in March of

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nineteen eighty four, and it became my first research location.

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I went through those woods. I had a forty four

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magnumum my hip, whereas I thought, if I run into

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something like this, I don't know what is capable of,

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even though it didn't do anything aggressive toward Brady. But

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I never saw anything. I walked through those woods by

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myself several miles and I wasn't a researcher. No one

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had ever advised me of how to be a researcher,

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what to look for, what clues to study, and what

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to get information. I just figured, if this thing's out there,

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it would just make its appearance like it did to him,

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and I'll get the chance to see what he saw,

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and then I'll figure it out. But unfortunately, from eighty

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four until eighty nine I lived in there. I had

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a condo down there, and I lived and I went

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through those woods and all the surrounding areas of that area.

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Never came across anything that I can say, even now,

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knowing what I know as a researcher, anything to be conclusive,

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concrete evidence. And one time I had a year at

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pause of that area because I ended up out in

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the Pacific Northwest and I was working in near Oregon

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at a nuclear facility as I was a nuclear engineer

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in I became involved in nuclear power as an engineer

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in eighty four and I ended up taking a break

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in eighty six eighty seven. I moved out there worked

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out there, not knowing anything about Bigfoot other than Brady's

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encounter and what I'd seen on television in the movies.

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I couldn't find any research information in my libraries in Spartanburg,

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South Carolina. I couldn't find There was no one to

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have a conversation with about it, and I didn't know

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what I know now. Like I say, if I hadn't

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known them in what I'm knowing now, it would have

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been I may have ended up relocating permanently out there

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and ended up being another cliff Backman or something. But

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instead I was bumping around just being an engineer at

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a power plant. And of course I could not mention

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my hobby, my interest, because they would have gave me

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the crazy alarm and I would have been not be

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working at a nuclear plant. But so I had to

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keep a low profile. But I still managed to do

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my research when I had time. So I'm out there,

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and God knows, I wish I had known who Peter

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Burns was. Then. I wish I would have known how

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close I was to Bob jim Win at the time.

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I mean Yakama, Washington. I wasn't two hours away from

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the man. I would have driven to his farm and

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met with him if i'd have known he was that

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close to me. But I didn't know those things. So

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I went out on excursions for my own self because

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of loving the woods, and went hiking and horseback riding

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and had I had five guys in my office that

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were pilots, and we were in the air practically every weekend,

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flying somewhere, either up to Seattle, up to Mountain Neer,

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out to the coast down in northern California, or over

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to Idaho. We were flying somewhere practically every weekend, and

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in the air. I was amazed to how many things

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I could see from the as a visual from the air,

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as long as we stayed within three or four thousand

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feet elevation, I could see pretty good. I mean we

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couldn't get down tree top level and study anything, but

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it still gave me an open perspective of the wooded

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areas around that location.

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Big for Society would be right back after these messages.

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So I could figure out, Hey, I want to go there.

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I was a camp I was also an amateur photographer

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at the time, had all this really good equipment, and

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I would rug all this equipment in a backpack and

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go to the woods to take pictures. And that was

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my primary concern. But I never associated for the first

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month or so out there that Bigfoot was, you know,

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a novel. It was a major impact of that area.

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I mean I found out a little later on, a

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couple months later when I think I sent you a paper.

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It tells a little bit about my history out there.

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Some of the guys in the office knew that I

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was doing these excursions and photography and they said, hey, Dwayne,

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have you made it up to Mount Saint Helens yet?

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And I said no, I didn't even think I could

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get close to it. They said, yeah, they just opened

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a two mile red zone a couple months ago, and

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you can get in within that distance and you can

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get some fairly good pictures of the dome where it's

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blown off, and see just how devastated it is in

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that area, and said you'll enjoy probably hiking around there.

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Well that was all I knew. It's all they told me.

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Nothing in the language of Bigfoot. So I'm driving up

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five or four kid Highway, which is coming out of

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Castle Castle Rock, and I'm going just through the wilderness,

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just beautiful, beautiful Douglas Fair wilderness up through there, and

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I come up on this souvenir stand, this souvenir facility,

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and it's the buried a frame and it had a

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souvenir shop up on the little rise on New Knoll

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up above it. And then there was this big, thirty

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foot Bigfoot statue standing at the corner of the parking lot,

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and I'm like wow, I thought that's amazing. So I

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pulled in. I had to see this and get a picture. Well,

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when I did that, I'm kind of just scooping out

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the area and I look up towards the souvenir building

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and it looks like they built this facility out around

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where a porch might have been on this old house

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and closed it in. They had these cartoon looking caricatures

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of a monkey or a bigfoot. It turned out painted

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or decount around the building and I'm looking at it.

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I'm looking at this statue and I'm thinking, man, that's

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that's pretty amazing. Must know something about bigfoot. I gotta

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go check it out. So I because I'm already just

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my whole mind was to get up to the trails

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and start hiking and filming. Wasn't thinking about a souvenir

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shop at the time. So I walk in. Nobody was there,

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and I just browse around a second. It was typical

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souvenir key shirt, hats, trinkets, nothing of interest. As I

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turn around and start to go out, that's when I

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noticed off to the left was this turnstile and it

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looked like a glass display like cases inside the annex

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of this building. So I walk over and lean in

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to see what it is. That's something I need to

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pay attention to. And as far down the length of

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it and on both sides of it are these looks

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like jewelry glass jewelry display cases, and these china looking

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displayed glass cases, and they're just stuffed in them every

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inch of the way down. So I thought, okay, And

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it cost a dollar to get in this extra section,

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and I put my dollar in I go in, and

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I got to tell you, Jeremiah, I felt like a

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kid in a in a let's say, star trek or

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something that I would have been so fascinated by at

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that time. But it was unbelievable. This guy had, the

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owner had all these castings of feet and hand and

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hair samples and newspaper and magazine clippings and pictures. He

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had just a plenty of them down through there, and

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I'm just walking through there and I'm circling around. Now

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I'm going back down and I'm circling around because I

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want to read and see everything gets in there, because

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it was just unbelievable. And he stuck. He realized I

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was in there for a while, and he come over

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and he says, uh, I couldn't help, but see you

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were very interested, and he starts. We just had a

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general conversation. I ended up telling him about my experience

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with Brady and Brady having his encounter, and he was

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amazed by day. He said, oh really, He said, I

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didn't think those creatures might be in South Carolina, but

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I know they're here. He said, I've had experiences and

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encounters and he said, what you see here is a

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collection of everyone who's from this area has bought their

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evidence and bought it to have it displayed here, which

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it did. It had names and years and locations where

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these castings had all been made, which a lot were

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Spirit Lake and Mount Saint Helens before the volcanic explosion.

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So I'm just going to I'm just like a kid.

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And it turned in an hour plus conversation. At the

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end of that, as I'm trying to kind of work

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my way out, this young guy who I don't know

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where he come from, he comes in and he's just

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kind of meandering along and shaking his head and just

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on huns and not really chiming in. And as I'm

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about to leave, he says, I couldn't help me. Hear

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you say you're going up to take pictures of the

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mountain of the volcano. I said, that's exactly where I'm

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hit it. He said, I can do something better than that,

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He said, I got a helicopter parked up the road

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about a mile. He said, if you are okay with it,

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he said, uh, I'd take you up and put you

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take you into the mouth of the volcano. And I'm

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like looking at him, like okay, And so I said, oh,

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that sounds cool with me, and it turned out at

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fifty dollars and I thought, well, that's a lot of

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money back in eighty six, but I didn't think much

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about it. So I followed this guy up the road

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and sitting there's this nice looking, brand new looking helicopter

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sitting there. It looks like any like something really expensive.

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And there wasn't anyone else up there. It was just

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him and I and we get in crawl in. I

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had my camera equipment and we put the headphones on.

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And that was only the second time I had been

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in a helicopter, and the other time was for up

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in Gatlinburg and I did just a quick tour circle.

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So this guy, he sets it up, gets us in

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the air, and I was like wow. I never really

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realized how easy it was to see so many things

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as we were only flying about five six hundred feet

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that we were not even now hi maybe And he

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would just pull up every once in a while, because

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as we got away from the parking lot where he

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had this thing, the pad he had this thing sitting on,

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I'm looking out through the foot viewpoint and then I'm

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looking out the window and I can easily see all

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these elchre down there on the tundra grazing, and I

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couldn't believe how good I could see him, and I

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was making comments about it. I was looking. I said, wow,

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I didn't know you could see this much as easy

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from a helicopter compared to a plane. So he would hover,

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he would just pull up and let me take some pictures,

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and all that time we're looking straight at the mountain.

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I mean, I'm looking at unbelievable devastation of Mount Saint

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Helen right square in front of me, about a mile

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ahead of me, and that caught my eye. But I'm

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being a jokester because I was like twenty twenty seven,

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twenty eight years old then, and I wasn't being mean strut.

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And I had no idea who this guy was, except

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I do. He had had me in his hand of

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the helicopter, and he was really doing good so far,

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and he was in a bigfoot souvenir shop. But I

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had no idea if this guy had anything to do

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with any of that, because he didn't come in and

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join in any of the conversation with me and the owner.

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So I looked at him, and I'm talking to him

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you know it hits it. And I said, I didn't

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know you could see as well from the helicopter. I said,

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did you ever see a bigfoot? I said, I got

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to ask you, did you ever see any bigfoot before

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the mountain blew? I figured he just laughed me off

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for it, you know, tell me to get lost, and

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he looked right at me. He said, yes I did,

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and I was like, really. He said I did see too,

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just a few weeks before the mountain exploded. And I said,

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no kidding. And that's when he told me. He said

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he was coming back from bringing in the john Town

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Johnston Observatory Science as geologists. He had taken a couple

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of them up to do something with their seismic equipment

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where they had a place located at the I think

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I was the eastern edge of the mountaintop and they

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were monitoring the volcano. They were up there doing monitoring

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seismic activity. And he said, as he was flying back down,

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he said, the north side of the Lake of Spirit

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Lake that was grassy. All this salt grass was there

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and it was very no vegetation to sept grass. And

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he's flying at about one hundred and fifty feet elevation

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right across the water to pick up another group of

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people that wanted to come up for a tour. And

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as he's doing that, he looked down through he had

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again he had this opening in his feet, and he

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saw movement. He saw, he said, he saw this dark

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figures and he thought it was bears at first, he said.

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He pulled up the helicopter and he's hovering above them,

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and then he's studying down looking at him, and he

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realized they're walking and not on four it they're on

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two lakes, side by side. And he realized because he

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had been in the air so many times, he had

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had quite a bit of experience, he knew he had

452
00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.160
a mental judgment of size, and he knew these things

453
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.279
were massive compared to humans by what he was able

454
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:21.920
to see features from the air at one hundred and

455
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.759
fifty feet or thereabouts. And he said, he just hovered

456
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.680
and they never one time looked up at him. They

457
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:32.599
just kept their course, walking side by side, and he

458
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.119
had to keep backing the helicopter up because they were walking.

459
00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.119
He was facing them, he said, and he had to

460
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.599
back the helicopter up. But they never looked up to

461
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.160
see what was above them or cared about what was

462
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.200
above them, And he said they walked several yards and

463
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.079
then finally they both turned and went into the wood

464
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.440
wine and wilderness and just kind of disappeared out of sight.

465
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:54.720
So I'm like, wow, no kidding. I thought, this guy's

466
00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:57.240
either full of it or he is really telling me something.

467
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.359
I don't think anybody else at that time had seen

468
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.799
anything from the air. So he flies me around and

469
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.640
takes me up to where the observatory is and then

470
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.240
starts showing me some other features and explaining what it

471
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.119
had looked like to what I mean, it looked like

472
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.400
the surface of the moon when I was there. There

473
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.920
was no vegetation on that area. It was horrible, just

474
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.079
pure ash everywhere. So as we're flying back down to

475
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.759
where we had first come back from the across from

476
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.319
the pad and stopped and hovered for the elk, we

477
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:31.880
were down at the right side there, and it was

478
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:36.279
called the Tootle Creek Fork, and that's where the Spirit Lake,

479
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.480
which is a reservoir, would still into Tootle Creek and

480
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.440
then it would feed the water down to Kelso and

481
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:47.480
Castle Rock and I don't know what other little tributaries

482
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:52.039
it filled down there, But anyway, he said, he looked.

483
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.359
I said, did you ever see Bigfoot anymore? Before the

484
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.119
mountain blue? And he looked at me real serious, and

485
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:01.440
he said, yes I did. But if I tell you

486
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.319
what I'm about to tell you, you got to give me

487
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.799
your word that you keep it confidentially. He said, I

488
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.759
don't want to lose my pilot license. Well he must have.

489
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:13.680
He must have still had his license because it was

490
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.519
six years later since the mountain had blown in eighty

491
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.680
nineteen eighty that I'm in the helicopter now, and he

492
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.079
pulls us up right over this little tributary where this

493
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.440
fork to the creek fork is at and we're hovering

494
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:33.599
looking down, and he said after the mountain blew, he

495
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.279
had to stay out of the air for two or

496
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.240
three weeks because of the air quality would have killed

497
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.000
the engine on the helicopter and caused the crash. So

498
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:48.960
until air quality was reachieved, the state grounded. So no

499
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.839
big deal. When he went back up and started taking

500
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.720
people that wanted to witness the explosion of the volcano,

501
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.960
he was just doing his normal thing and no big

502
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.279
deal until one day, a couple of weeks into his flying,

503
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.400
they were clearing. They had brought these steam shovels in

504
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:12.640
the big wedges, and Army Corps engineers and the local

505
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:17.559
construction contractors had all come in. They were eagerly trying

506
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:22.079
to open up that fork at Spiel Way. It was

507
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:27.920
just he said, it was just a collection of trees

508
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.920
and debris and silt and ash and mud, and it couldn't.

509
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.839
They wanted to get the water going down so the

510
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.039
communities that need at that reservoir could get the water back.

511
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.960
So Klitch River, that's the other one. Is it spillst

512
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.839
Tutle Creek and it dumps into Klitch River. So anyway,

513
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.599
he he's sitting there and we're sitting there together in

514
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.920
the chopper and he said, I'm watching this activity as

515
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.000
I was up flying, and no big deal, he said.

516
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.559
There was just tons of things being hauled off. They

517
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.599
had the big Shinook double blade helicopters in there, and

518
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:12.640
they were dropping a big transport whatever cargo nets and

519
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.519
they were hauling a lot of that out on the

520
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.799
cargo nets to someplace, and they were hauling it out

521
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.079
on trucks just to get all this debris out and

522
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.880
there at that time, he said, that was what he

523
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:27.519
watched until one day, a couple weeks in, he comes

524
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.880
through there and he decided to pull up and watch

525
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.880
because they were just about to lift this big cargo net.

526
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.880
And that's when he noticed what looked like an arm,

527
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:43.279
a hand hanging out, and a massive and a foot

528
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.920
and a leg hanging out. And he said, these he

529
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.000
knew was not there. He could easily see they looked

530
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.279
like all those human appendages, and that's when he thought Bigfoot.

531
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.640
But the thing is, just to give a little backstory,

532
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.559
the one thing the guy in the souvenir shop said,

533
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.400
as we're talking big he said, you can ask anybody

534
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.480
that lives around here about Bigfoot and you'll have a

535
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.079
two hour conversation. He said, people up here love Bigfoot.

536
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.759
They don't mind talking about it. He said, you want

537
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.680
to get a conversation going in Washington, in this part

538
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:17.640
of Washington, state of Washington, he said, just mention Bigfoot. Well,

539
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.720
this guy's thinking was the same way he's watching this thinking.

540
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.920
As a matter of fact, yeah, it was burned, deer, burned,

541
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.759
elk burned, other indigenous animals found there was all this

542
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.240
debris and damage. Why not Bigfoot?

543
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.640
Big for a society who will be right back after

544
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:35.440
these messages.

545
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.680
So he's watching them haul this cargo net up with

546
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.240
what looks like a burnt body of Bigfoot maybe more.

547
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.440
He's thinking as big as as big as the net was,

548
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.599
and having one hanging out on one side and one

549
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:05.359
hanging out in there, he figured there was at least

550
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.079
two of them in that cargo net, at least that's

551
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.119
what he told me. And I'm just sitting there with

552
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.200
my mouth open. I'm like, really, you witnessed this? He said,

553
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.079
oh yeah, yeah, no big deal. Well, he went on

554
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:20.240
about his business. After they took that Army Corps engineer

555
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.960
helicopter took off with that net. He went back, got

556
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.920
his fair, his people that he was going to bring up,

557
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.160
and he kept doing that for a couple of days,

558
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.599
two or three days. He's telling people that he's hauling

559
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.000
out for the tours about this experience, he said, and

560
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.920
nobody really made big deals about it. They were not

561
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.119
amazed because they were the locals. And he said, three

562
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.759
days into him telling the stories, some guy, a reporter

563
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:54.279
from the Kelso Gazette or whatever it was called, called him,

564
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.200
found a way to call him, got in touch, wanted

565
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.359
to do a report again, this guy's thinking, as a

566
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.480
matter of fact, no big deal. He invites him down

567
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.519
to his farm in Castle Rock. He gives this guy

568
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.960
the report. The report ends up in the newspaper, and

569
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.319
that's when he's looking at me and telling me. Within

570
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.440
a day, this government, this sedan shows up at his

571
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.599
farm with these two guys in suits saying they worked

572
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.000
for the government. But he never got a name who

573
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.599
they were. They just flashed two cards at him, and

574
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.000
they're looking at him and saying, you need to retract

575
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.960
your story. Change it that that was bears or something

576
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:36.200
you didn't recognize but not Bigfoot and you were mistaken,

577
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.920
or you're going to lose your pilot's license. And I

578
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.160
later found out he was threatened to lose his pension,

579
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:46.240
his military pension, and he still was telling me. Well,

580
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.720
I found out after the internet went live and I

581
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.880
was doing other research there was another similar report from

582
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.160
Klitch River area, which I don't know if somebody deliberately

583
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.039
changed the location to throw people law from the Tudle

584
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.599
River Fork, I don't know that. But they were telling

585
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.640
that they were finding Bigfoot bodies and being hauled off,

586
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.720
and then they were telling how the army Corps engineer

587
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.079
allegedly had captured a bigfoot that was injured and they

588
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.359
were going in and collecting other bodies. I don't know

589
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.319
about all that part, but this guy, he was very sincere.

590
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.559
But then after I started reading other reports, I found

591
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.359
his alleging his nephew filed a report on I believe

592
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.400
it was a Bflo's site, if I'm right about that.

593
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:37.519
He wrote a notation report that this person who I

594
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.359
believe was my pilot, had died from cancer. Here. I

595
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.519
guess he was in Vietnam War and he might have

596
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.599
died from agent orange exposure. I don't know that, but

597
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.880
he was a decorated soldier because of his missions. He

598
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:55.599
had fallen behind enemy lines to retrieve injured soldiers and

599
00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.160
captured or soldiers that couldn't get out on their own.

600
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.519
And when he came out, retired out of the military

601
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.240
or Vietnam War ended, he came back to where he

602
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.440
was from and he opened up this helicopter tourist business

603
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.200
and I got to meet the guy. So that was

604
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.279
exceptional in me because I didn't have a lot of

605
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.200
background in bigfoot at the time except from what I

606
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:23.880
knew from Brady. So that's what I can tell you about.

607
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:30.119
That, Dwayne. Oh my goodness, I just have to I

608
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.720
just have to explain a little bit of why this

609
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.279
is a really big deal for me right now. So

610
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.240
just for listeners. So, I have tried four years to

611
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.839
talk to someone that has some sort of like personal

612
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:51.000
connection to that situation. So to be able to talk

613
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.000
to you hear your story regarding that is incredible. Also,

614
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:01.519
I didn't realize, didn't That didn't click in my mind

615
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.079
that you were an actual engineer at Trojan Nuclear.

616
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:06.880
Correct.

617
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:13.719
Yes, I have been trying four years or what feels

618
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:18.719
like years, to talk to a engineer from Trojan Nuclear.

619
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.239
Because as we were talking before the show started, you know,

620
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:31.119
one of my highest episodes is the gentleman who had

621
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.199
the grew up with the experience on Near City Road

622
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.559
in Rainier where for four years the Sasquatch are tormenting

623
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.440
him and his family.

624
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.639
That happens, I am familiar with that. I read that. Yeah,

625
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.320
that's one of those reports I would have given my life,

626
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.119
made my left arm to have known about when I

627
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:52.679
lived there.

628
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.159
Here's the thing. It's like, it's crazy though, because that

629
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.119
happened in the late seventies and you were there in

630
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.920
the mid eighties.

631
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.239
Right, I was there in eighty six eighty seven, and

632
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.559
then I would have gone to that location and with

633
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.119
there if I would have known this person and could

634
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.199
have known about his report like I do from your interview.

635
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.400
It is insane how it all lines up. But you're

636
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:23.199
also there before. I don't know if you remember a name.

637
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.159
Individual's name is Henry Franzoni, who is involved with Peter

638
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:32.800
Burn and this would have been starting in the nineties, and.

639
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.400
I'm mildly experience with that. I do know about it,

640
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.639
I just don't know details.

641
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.159
So mister Franzoni is unfortunately no longer with us as

642
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:47.280
of earlier this year, but I love interviewing him. And

643
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:54.199
his main research area was this this Verre near Oregon area,

644
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.679
and he had some really really interesting ideas about it,

645
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.639
including that you know, there were for underground, there may

646
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.760
have been tunnels involved, just some really really interesting, uh

647
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.599
stuff that he was involved with with his research in

648
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.639
that area. So it is so cool to be able

649
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:18.920
to have you on kind of an innerlocking part of

650
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.000
these other stories that I've had on the show. But

651
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.039
so you were actually were you actually spending time in

652
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.639
the ver near Oregon area itself to research in that area?

653
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.920
Was it more up near Mount Saint Helens.

654
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.760
Why what research I did? Because again I wasn't really

655
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.599
considered I didn't consider myself a research or just a

656
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.639
novice that had a passion for big for finding out

657
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.360
about Bigfoot. And after I went to the souvenir shop,

658
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.679
then my interest grew. I mean it became exponential. After that,

659
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.559
I'm like, oh my gosh, you have all this. So

660
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.199
I kind of started focusing in the Olympic Olympic National

661
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.760
Forest and the Cascades. I went down to Columbia Gorge

662
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.199
and the dolls. Again, I didn't know Peter Burn had

663
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.199
a museum down there. I never no one told me

664
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.280
about it, and no one led me to him because

665
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.400
I wasn't speaking about my interest. And then there was

666
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.400
I know, I had to be very very close because

667
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.039
it's just like a feeling I get when I'm around

668
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.800
any locations that I used to travel all over the

669
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.480
country for my field engineering experience. If I would get

670
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.159
in an area, because again didn't have internet, didn't have

671
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.719
until later, didn't have internet, didn't have any resource people

672
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.920
to communicate with this to lead me somewhere. It was

673
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.599
all gut feeling, and I would go in those woods

674
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.719
when something told me there might be something there in

675
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.280
that place that you were telling me that was in

676
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.920
the near area. I know, I was on those roads

677
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.199
and walking in those woods without the knowledge of knowing

678
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.159
that this guy was virtually living amongst them.

679
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.559
Oh my goodness, So you and I had no Oh wow,

680
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.239
it was just off of how it felt. That's incredible.

681
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.360
It did. It felt like something was there that was different.

682
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.719
And I thought, but the Bigfoot's up in Castle Rock

683
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.159
and it's up in now saying, hell is my god,

684
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.079
it's got to be here. And again I wasn't. I

685
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:23.480
wasn't connecting the Patterson Gimblin in northern California with northern Oregon.

686
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:27.199
No one was giving me any insight. Again, I didn't

687
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.960
have anyone to communicate with until you know, many years

688
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.760
later and coaching unfortunately got knocked down. It's gone and

689
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.599
there's no going back to that because I was once

690
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.760
I got in bobed with bigfoot researches adamantly, as I

691
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.159
did once I come to Pennsylvania in nineteen ninety two,

692
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.880
but I didn't get involved with a group in a

693
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.760
group concept. I didn't get into bobbed in that until

694
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.719
two thousand, well actually ninety nine, as I was part

695
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.199
of the Bigfoot Network of Ohio, but that was purely

696
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.440
phone and email. There was no physical persons. And they

697
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.639
were leading me to one or two different places up

698
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.559
here on the mountain and Chestnut Ridge that they knew about,

699
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.599
but no one. I had no one to communicate about

700
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:17.719
in a personal way about Bigfoot. But when Matt Moneymaker

701
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:25.320
put the big BFRO website together in ninety five, I

702
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.079
found it, like in ninety six, and I submitted Brady's report.

703
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:33.679
He wouldn't do it because I contacted him and I said, Brady,

704
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.960
are you willing? Because I contacted two of the early

705
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:39.719
members of the BFRO who were living in Washington, and

706
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.679
they were a man and White team and they were

707
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:48.039
very eager to hear about Brady's experience and encounter, and

708
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.559
Brady wouldn't talk to him. So I said, do you

709
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.719
give me your permission to share your story with them?

710
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.519
And he said, you do whatever you want. I don't

711
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.840
want to think about it anymore. But he wouldn't talk

712
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.519
about it ever. So that's how it it up. If

713
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.480
you go on the BFLO website under reports, and go

714
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.360
to South Carolina and go to Kershaw County, you'll find

715
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.079
a B report. Because I submitted it instead of Brady,

716
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.639
they call it a B report, and there was now another.

717
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.800
That's why when you I kind of got excited when

718
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.119
you had your guest on the other day for Newbery

719
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.199
in Lake Murray. Because again, now as the road, as

720
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.079
the road goes, it's sixty miles to where Brady had

721
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.639
his encounter from Lake Murray and Newbery, but as the

722
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.559
crew flies across the country, it's only like twenty two

723
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.920
miles from Newberry to water Ree, and it's only like

724
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.000
twenty five miles from Lake Murray to Water Reed. So

725
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.159
there's been a lot of reports over the years that

726
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:55.400
we've had internets and Bigfoot websites groups develop that's come

727
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.440
out of that area. So there's a I think there's

728
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:03.000
a healthy population a Bigfoot in that area, although we

729
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.639
know just from our experience up here, we think they

730
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:10.199
do migrate for food or maybe they do that to

731
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.679
say to stay out of sight. If they have a

732
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.119
tribe or whatever you want to call them, a group

733
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.440
of them. If they start populating too explicitly, eventually too

734
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.159
many people are going to see them, so they got

735
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.960
to spread out, or they've got to divide and move

736
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.280
out of a given area. Too much activity start showing up,

737
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.639
even if it doesn't get close to home, the den,

738
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.960
or wherever they're homesteading, they know that it's just a

739
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.679
matter of time some human is going to get too close,

740
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:44.440
so they can only avoid human interaction by moving around

741
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.679
and maybe coming back to that location at a later date.

742
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.840
At least that's my concept and feelings.

743
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:56.920
That's so interesting. I want to kind of circle back

744
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.840
to something real quick. Do you remember the gentleman's name

745
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.239
who owned that gift shop museum up there?

746
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.679
I had it in my notes and I cannot find it.

747
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.679
He's no longer up there, no longer it's sold because

748
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.960
there's another guy that owns it now. And I wrote him.

749
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.960
He was on YouTube, I guess is where I saw

750
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.599
him at, and he didn't respond to me. I wanted

751
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.599
to know if he had interacted, but I heard the

752
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.119
guy died that I had interacted with, and now the

753
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.639
helicopter guy I believe as the same guy died, so

754
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:33.280
there's nobody up there that I interacted with, which I'm

755
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.159
very sad, and I'm sad I mean, you gotta realize

756
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:41.039
my lifestyle when I was out there was it was unimaginable.

757
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.559
I had all these guys who were pilots. I had

758
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.519
two guys that had sailboat fishing boats that had me

759
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.480
out in the river still had fishing. If I wasn't flying,

760
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.960
and if I wasn't hiking and doing horseback riding on

761
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.960
the down at Cannon Beach and surfsids Beach and that story.

762
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.639
If I wasn't doing stuff like that, I was doing

763
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.719
my But I didn't have as much free time. Plus

764
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.360
we worked on backsides off trying to do the modifications

765
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.159
that we were doing in the plant at the time.

766
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.920
So I was working average fifty hours a week, sometimes

767
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:16.480
sixty hours a week. But I made time, fortunately to

768
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.719
enjoy my life out there, and Bigfoot got factored in.

769
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.599
It wasn't even one of my planned activities out there

770
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.119
when I went out there. It's like, Okay, I'm gonna

771
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.199
enjoy the Pacific Northwest and see what the heck gets

772
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:33.440
all about. Never thinking I was going to bring Bigfoot

773
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:37.039
research into the mix of my activities, but I had

774
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.280
no choice. After I met this guy and he's telling

775
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.119
me all this stuff that went on out there. Oh yeah,

776
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:43.599
I had to be part of it.

777
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:48.920
When you were out there, did you do you think

778
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:55.039
you at any time got close to a bigfoot or

779
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.239
had a sighting or anything like that, or was it

780
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.079
more you're starting to get into at that point.

781
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.519
I don't. I don't recall anything that had any visual

782
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:10.840
that I can obtain or No. There were near area

783
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.239
that I went into that I said I was close to.

784
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:17.159
Were the report that you did with the gentleman. I

785
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.480
have a feeling if there was as many in there

786
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.480
as he claimed, I was being watched, But I had no.

787
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.920
I didn't get a feeling of it. I mean, I

788
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:26.679
knew I was in nature, and I knew they got

789
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:28.599
the they got animals that will attack you out there.

790
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.519
They got mountain lions, and they've got well they didn't

791
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.159
have grizzly bears back then, but I thought these bears

792
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.280
are more aggressive than what we have in South and

793
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.920
North Carolina. So I was very cautious. So I had

794
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.519
that apprehension, like because I didn't carry a weapon out there,

795
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.400
even though I did have my forty four bag, I

796
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.039
didn't carry that. When I went in the woods. I

797
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.360
had bear, I mean not bear fray. I had pepper

798
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.840
pepper spray, military canisters of pepper spray on both of

799
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:56.199
my hips, and a hunting knife on my on my belt.

800
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.599
Big for a society who will be right back after

801
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.239
these messages.

802
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.880
And that's all I took when I went in the

803
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.719
woods back then up there, I didn't take my gun

804
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:21.360
in the woods, gud. I didn't have a carry permit,

805
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.000
being that I was a non resident. I was, you know,

806
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:31.320
a yeah, a worker, and I couldn't obtain a carrying

807
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.119
permit like I can here in Pennsylvania at all. So

808
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.039
I was very cautious, knowing, hey, any moment something could

809
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.320
come elk or something could come tearing out the woods

810
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.039
and attack me. I was just caustable. I never saw

811
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.880
a felt bigfoot when I was out there, which is

812
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.679
like I said, if you run the clock ahead, run

813
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.320
the calendar ahead to when I came up here in

814
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.840
ninety two and then started exploring southwestern Pennsylvania and section

815
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.880
of Ohio and West Virginia, I would have been a

816
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.119
different person out there if it would have just been

817
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.880
less than ten more years, which actually I can only

818
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:15.440
say really eight ninety nine when I met when I

819
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.480
got in touch with the people from Bigfoot Research and

820
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.840
then I there was two there was three groups, well,

821
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.639
the Bigfoot Network Resource Organization. They didn't help me very

822
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:28.920
much with how to be a researcher. They just told

823
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.079
me where to go and look for tracks and listen

824
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.480
for and if I smell or see anything unusual, just

825
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.800
keep a do a ledger. I always took a notebook

826
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.639
with me, a little spiral notebook, and they said, anything

827
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:43.360
you see her here, just write it down, call us

828
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:47.719
let us know. Okay. These two guys were Kent State

829
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.079
University professors who had grown up in Fayette County, owned

830
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.719
up at the area where a lot of activity has

831
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.000
happened over the years, and they had had encounters and

832
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.599
they had always had an interest in but Bigfoot since

833
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.599
as teenagers when they went out hunting, had had encounters

834
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.559
in Fayette County up on the mountain, and when they

835
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.519
went to Kent State where they were professors at they

836
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.599
still had an interest in Bigfoot, but they didn't pursue

837
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.239
it until the Internet came out, and that's when they

838
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.800
created the Bigfoot Network of Ohio. But they didn't have

839
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.440
any active members that were gathering physically to go to

840
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.239
areas and I became there. When I contacted them, they said,

841
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.960
you're going to be our Pittsburgh connection. If we get

842
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.960
any reports, if we know about anything activity wise, we'll

843
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.800
call you. You'll get the information and the witness name

844
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.760
that they're willing to meet with you, and if you

845
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.280
want to explore that area, we'll tell you how to

846
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.760
get to it. So I was in ninety eight, in

847
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.880
ninety nine and I got two or three good reports,

848
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.559
but nothing developed, and I still didn't know enough about

849
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:56.119
bigfoot research. He said, Hey, if i'm bumping myself along

850
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.400
up here, in something steps out throughs a rock at me,

851
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.880
which I didn't even think about rocks then until later,

852
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.880
But I just figured, hey, if they're here, i'll know

853
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.960
they're here. Theyn't let me know they're here. I didn't

854
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:12.719
realize how difficult it is to enhance or intrigue bigfoot

855
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:17.400
wanting to contact you. I'll be physically made aware of

856
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.280
your presence and its presence. But anyway, in ninety nine,

857
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:31.719
the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization gf GCBRO came online

858
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.639
and they had a contact point on there. Didn't know

859
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.800
any of these people. They were in Kentucky and Tennessee

860
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.719
and all the way down in the Louisiana. The two founders,

861
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.679
one was in Louisiana and one was in Tennessee, which

862
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.519
was Mary Green. I don't know how old you are,

863
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.239
and I don't know what you know or ever heard

864
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:55.320
her name mentioned, but she was a renowned on the

865
00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.000
East Coast anyway, a renowned Bigfoot researcher, and she had

866
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.119
had her and her group in Tennessee had had several

867
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.719
encounters and they that's why they were in the Bigfoot

868
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.840
website and research because they wanted to collect other people's

869
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:15.199
reports and try to figure out something about these get

870
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.519
some connectivity, some confirmation of what other people were researching

871
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.920
and finding. So I emailed her and she ended up

872
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:26.519
wanting to talk to me, So we ended up making

873
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.239
we became friends. She was older than me by a lot,

874
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.039
by a very nice lady, and she was willing to

875
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:35.760
share her information on what they were doing as research efforts,

876
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.880
what kind of they were baiting, what kind of food items,

877
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.239
what were they doing, and what were they getting results

878
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.480
of And the one she was telling me, they were

879
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.360
using garlic and onions and that was the most effective

880
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.880
thing that they could bait and get the bigfoot to

881
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:56.239
come together. They seemed to have some real real interest

882
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:01.679
in garlic and onions spicy like that or something with

883
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.960
a rich flavor. So I was trying that and she

884
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.679
was kind of coaching me and say, and then she

885
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:11.280
said her teenage son and her had an encounter with

886
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.360
two of them. He brought his boombox and he was

887
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:18.400
into like AC DC, Metallica and all of that, and

888
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:20.360
she even cared for that. She like country, I think

889
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.800
if I remember, and she was critiquing him, but he

890
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:26.280
was playing his rock music, putting his boombox up on

891
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:29.679
top of the jeep that she had, and they were

892
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.519
in this isolated area where they had already had some

893
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.440
other activity before this, and two of these things come.

894
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.559
They watched them come down the side of the hill,

895
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:40.880
a big one in a medium size one, and they

896
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.519
never came down close enough to really be right in

897
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.800
front of them, but they were like rocking back and

898
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.159
forth on behind a tree, and they were staying there

899
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.599
for a couple of hours while this music is booming

900
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.360
out across the woodlands. I did never try that. I

901
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.559
had guys that wanted to do guitar guitars on the

902
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.800
outline night outings. But I didn't do the boom box.

903
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.119
But she said that was effective for their bigfoot, doesn't

904
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.360
mean it was going to be for everybody's big foot.

905
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.239
And then she asked me, and late to ninety nine,

906
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:15.360
two thousand, she said, Dwayne, have you been noticing any

907
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:23.840
tree structures, any stack trees, tree stackings, or anything interwoven?

908
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.840
And I said, Mary, where I go the woods that

909
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.000
I go in? I said, but here in southern of

910
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.960
southwestern Pennsylvania. I said, we get a lot of ice,

911
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.800
a lot of windstorms, and these trees are very brittle.

912
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.719
And I said there is bad fault everywhere. I said, no,

913
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.480
I don't pay attention to any of that. She said,

914
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.320
just do me a favor next time you're in the woods.

915
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.639
Just and she sent me some pictures of what she

916
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.079
was talking about, which one was a big X and

917
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.320
another one was the tripod was a little tripod. And

918
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.599
I said, sure, if I get in the woods soon,

919
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.760
I'll start paying attention. There was a place called Pine

920
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.199
Ridge State Park. That's where I sent you some pictures from,

921
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.519
and I had been I knew about this place because

922
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:11.360
we had golf tournaments at the country club down the

923
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.400
street from there which bordered this area, and it was

924
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.760
very intriguing to me because I just thought it was

925
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:20.559
a beautiful wooded area and this was the headway of

926
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.800
the Chestnut Ridge. It started in Blairsville in this Pine

927
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.800
Ridge State Park and then that merged into the game lands,

928
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.039
which was Chestnut Ridge. Well, I had been just for

929
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:39.840
entertainment purposes, just for loving nature, had been clear walking

930
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:43.559
that area and enjoying the beauty of it. Hadn't seen

931
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:46.639
really anything that made me think Bigfoot was even there.

932
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.480
But that was one of my spots that I enjoyed

933
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:54.480
going out on Sunday or Saturday hikes until Mary tells

934
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.960
me to look for tree stuff. And I don't know

935
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:02.440
how just by incidents. I went out like a week

936
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.960
after our phone our phone call, and I'm walking one

937
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.000
of the pathways that I had previously done two or

938
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.679
three or four times over a several month period, and

939
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.199
I'm looking and off to the left, I see what

940
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:20.760
I can only say is a symmetrical stacking of trees

941
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.239
that were about three to four inches in diameter, about

942
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:28.039
four feet in length, stacked symmetrically around the base of

943
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.480
a tree. And I'm like, Okay, maybe some kids did

944
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.039
that because it was off the footpath I was on.

945
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:38.079
But it was off in the kind of brushy, kind

946
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.039
of thirty nasty little places. Nobody really would have wanted

947
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:42.880
to do this for the heck of it, for fun

948
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.559
and ninety, including me. Had I not heard her ask

949
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.360
me to start looking for things, I would have just

950
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.320
walked right pyot and ignored it and never paid any

951
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.320
attention to it. So I went over and I took

952
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:56.880
some pictures, and I thought, okay, wait, do I show

953
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.800
this to Mary? So I go over with my height.

954
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.639
I do like two or three more miles, and I

955
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.480
didn't see too much of anything in press of the

956
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.639
rest of that little two or three miles. And I

957
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.679
come back around where the power line is the firebreak,

958
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.199
and I see what looked like some twists, a little

959
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:20.679
twisted saplings, and I thought, well, there's got to be kids,

960
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.519
but they were just not looking like kids would have done.

961
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.800
And I didn't see any footprints, But it was it

962
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.840
was kind of as Jeff Mildram says about the substrate.

963
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.800
The soil. The substrate was very conpounded that actually had

964
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:40.360
cold like a coal pile of coal had been there,

965
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.239
and there was no way anything was going to leaving

966
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.000
a deep impression, so I didn't think much. Took a

967
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:50.400
couple of pictures and that was like on a Sunday.

968
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.880
That was the weekend, and it was a Sunday, and

969
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.960
this is in February, and I didn't think about it,

970
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:57.719
So it was like a week. Two weeks went by.

971
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.599
I went back there because we had had a windstorm

972
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.519
and we had had ice in the area, so I

973
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.199
really knew I was going to probably see a lot

974
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.280
of down trees. And when I got back, I did

975
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.440
the same to start with, I did the same footpath

976
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.960
the trail coming where my car was at in the

977
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.119
parking lot. And the week two weeks before I had

978
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:19.920
been there, there was nothing out there other than these

979
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.800
things I just described a second ago, and I'm going

980
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.639
up this trailhead to go back into Chestnut Ridge into

981
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:31.239
the game lands, and something had took all these tree lambs.

982
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.000
That's what one of the pictures I sent to you.

983
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.960
It's a it's a natural. It looks like a big

984
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.480
dream catcher. They had taken all these two three inch

985
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:44.880
diameter trees and limbs and brought them over on the

986
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.039
trailhead that I had gone up that earlier, two weeks earlier,

987
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.039
and they had intricately twisted them inside of each art

988
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.960
so that they were the width of the trail and

989
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.159
about the height that I am about six ft. I'm

990
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.280
six to two, and it was about the same hike

991
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.199
is me and it was all delicate stuff. But they

992
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:08.400
had made a screen, a fence, a barricade across the trail,

993
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.000
and I thought, well, what the heck? Who did this?

994
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:15.320
What kind of irritated me? Again, I'm just still an end.

995
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.480
I was just a novice. I mean, I was just

996
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.800
still learning and hoping that something was going to give

997
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.400
me something. And I just tore it apart. I usually

998
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.719
don't do that. I don't do it now because it's bad.

999
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.320
Things happen when you tear their structures down. They don't

1000
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.840
like that if they're still in the area. So I

1001
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:33.800
tore it down, threw it off to the side and

1002
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.360
kind of laughed it off and said, hey, I let

1003
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:38.039
me see that they like that, and they see if

1004
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.679
it comes back. So I did my hike out two

1005
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.159
or three miles a couple hours, and I'm not seeing

1006
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.159
too much of anything. And I come back this time

1007
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:50.199
walking following there's a spring fed Creek. It's a stream

1008
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.559
that runs at the base of the hill mountain and

1009
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:55.800
I'm hiking on the trail. I'm off and if you

1010
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.480
go left, it goes over to the Polo Line firebreak,

1011
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.280
and this stream falls parallel with the firebreak, and I'm

1012
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:07.119
following that and I find some oreld trees pulled over,

1013
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.480
but they were bigger trees this time. They were snapped

1014
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.079
and twisted from about three to four inches off the

1015
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:16.039
ground and something had just obliterated them. I don't know

1016
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.800
what it was, but it didn't look like wind damage

1017
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.199
compared to other natural stuff. And that's when instead of

1018
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.880
going all the way down to the furthest distance before

1019
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:26.800
I would have cut back left and come back into

1020
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.400
the parking lot, I decided to take a cut through,

1021
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.960
and that would have got me back to the first

1022
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.360
path where i'd started out at. And that's probably about

1023
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.239
I don't know, three four hundred yards through the woods,

1024
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.719
maybe somewhere in that distance, and it's pretty dense, and

1025
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.519
there was a lot of down trees. And that's when

1026
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.159
I came up on those shelters, and I have to

1027
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.079
call them shelters. They were primitive looking, something like I

1028
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.519
would have built as a kid. But it didn't look

1029
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.039
like anything, and it shouldn't have been any adults in

1030
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.119
their building or kids. But there's no houses around this park,

1031
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.480
and nobody's ever there. I mean back in those days,

1032
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.760
back in two thousand and ninety nine, there was nobody ever.

1033
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.039
I never ran into a soul in this park anytime

1034
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.880
I was there, weekday or weekend. I don't know why.

1035
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.719
So I'm studying this one that was just some stacked

1036
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.760
wood up against a tree that had been turned over,

1037
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:24.639
and it was like a leing to blind and I

1038
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.480
go up and I'm looking at because by now I'm

1039
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.880
starting to get the ideas of what you're supposed to

1040
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.440
look at, so I'm looking for human activity. There was

1041
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:35.679
no gum wrappers, no cigarette butts or paper, no boot tracks,

1042
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.079
there was no sign of anything that had been there

1043
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:42.039
to make that wing to I'm taking pictures, thinking about it,

1044
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.159
writing it down in a little notebook, thinking I'm going

1045
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.199
to send this to Mary. She's going to get a

1046
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.039
kick out of this. And I walk about another fifty

1047
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:53.119
feet and that's when I see the one that's complete,

1048
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:55.800
that looks like the size of a pup tent made

1049
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.519
out of the stacked sticks logs that had been there

1050
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.639
had been a full grown tree. Something had taken the

1051
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.079
root base and wedged it down in the fork of

1052
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.440
another tree and left the tipped end of it down

1053
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.920
on the ground. And they had taken the stacked the sticks,

1054
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:17.480
the logs and stacked them all the way down and

1055
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:20.119
then kind of intricate and then twisted them together at

1056
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.639
the back of it. And I'm looking at this thing,

1057
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:26.800
and I'm like, wow, somebody, maybe primitive campers had done this,

1058
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:31.960
or somebody that was having fun. Well, I took my

1059
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.320
pictures and I'm walking. I did like a three sixty

1060
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.519
around it, and I just spread out another twenty feet

1061
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:39.280
and did another three sixty just to see if I

1062
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.239
could find any tracks. I couldn't find any. So I'm

1063
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.519
getting intrigued by it because i want to see what's

1064
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.440
you know, I'm kind of curious how big this thing

1065
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:49.239
did It looked like I could fit inside of it.

1066
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.239
And sure enough, I take and again, this is February,

1067
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.760
and it was probably it was below freezing. We're talking

1068
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.440
like twenty eight twenty nine degrees, but it was cold.

1069
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:01.480
And I get I take my backpack off and I

1070
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.440
drop my gear, take my coat off and I get

1071
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:06.760
down and do like a commando crawl. It was actually

1072
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.639
big enough that I could have just crawled in easy

1073
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:11.599
on hands and feet. It wasn't that that tight, and

1074
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.039
I crawled up inside this thing. It ended up being

1075
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.400
tons of room inside. I had another two feet above

1076
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.920
my head and plenty of elbow space.

1077
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.480
Big for a society will be right back after these messages.

1078
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.880
Well, that was all cool, But when I come out

1079
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:47.480
of it, that's when I got this feeling of dread.

1080
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.559
And I've only had this happen twice to me in

1081
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.239
the woods, but it felt like something didn't want me there,

1082
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.880
or something was going to make bad things happen for me.

1083
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.960
And I come out and I'm standing there doing a

1084
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:03.480
spin around, stared in the hillsides above me and back

1085
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.639
toward the other lean to and I'm not seeing anything, but.

1086
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.119
The woods were denominal that we talk now quiet. There

1087
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:12.480
was no sound of any sort. I mean, suddenly it

1088
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:16.039
goes from I'm hearing one bird over here, which sounded

1089
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.280
like and I heard a crow all in the day

1090
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:19.960
I had been up there. I just hurt one or

1091
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.039
two birds because it was a clear, sunny day. You

1092
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.800
though it was February. I heard a couple of different birds,

1093
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.280
but this particular time it was that you're e quiet,

1094
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:34.119
And as I'm standing there getting this weird oppressive feeling,

1095
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.280
I started itching like somebody had poured itching powder on me.

1096
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:42.760
I felt like my skin was being eaten. And all

1097
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.280
I can think of, and I have no proof of

1098
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.760
it because you can't see it. I think there was

1099
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:49.880
a living animal and I don't know if it was

1100
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.599
a bail or a bigfoot in that space I had

1101
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.519
just crawled into, but I think I had mites on

1102
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.079
my body and I was itching like something crazy, to

1103
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:00.280
the point I had to go home. I'm going to

1104
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.840
take two showers to get it over of me. It

1105
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.880
was a miserable feeling, but I was head to toe itching,

1106
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.480
and I believe a bigfoot or something was height. It

1107
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:14.599
was in that dwelling, and I think these mites were

1108
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:18.039
own it because it was the living host. And then

1109
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.519
when it escaped out of there to misseeing me or

1110
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.480
me seeing it, I must have been the next host

1111
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.639
that had decided to get on and that was horrible.

1112
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:30.719
So now I'm feeling this oppressive feeling and I don't

1113
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.880
know what's going on, and I can't hear or see

1114
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.639
anything at that moment that makes me think there's some

1115
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:37.719
reason to get the heck out of there. So I

1116
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:41.119
put my gear back on and I'm going to walk

1117
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.239
over where a whole lot of trees have fallen. And

1118
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.119
that's where that one picture you have, you can study

1119
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:51.400
it later. It's another tree that's been pushed down, and

1120
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.199
you can tell where something had scraped out about five

1121
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.199
foot in length, about two feet deep and about three

1122
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:04.400
feet wide under this fallen log. A little somebody, a

1123
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.280
little person could go in and crawl in under that

1124
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.760
and hide. And what got my attention was is what

1125
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:15.639
you see in that one picture. Something with claws or

1126
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:21.000
sharp fingernails had gouged out the dead tree on top

1127
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:25.199
of this this scooped out area. And again we're in

1128
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.719
February and twenty something degree weather, and these termite larva

1129
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.639
were crawling around in this scooped out area. So something

1130
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.159
was trying to get to these termites in the middle

1131
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:41.840
of winter, which is not normal. So that's a bizarre

1132
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.239
situation for me to find those shelters that had never

1133
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.360
been seen by me. And I went back and I

1134
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.960
did share them with Mary, and she was amazed. And

1135
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.800
then I come back a couple of weeks later and

1136
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.599
all but one of those were knocked down. They were gone,

1137
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.719
something had knocked them down, but the one I had

1138
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.800
crawled in was still in place. As I'm leaving this

1139
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.920
particular time, I was back to my car, the park

1140
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.440
ranger drove in. I had never seen him before, and

1141
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:19.000
by coincidence, he pulls in and he was an older fellow,

1142
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:21.360
and I go over and have a chat with him,

1143
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.320
and I mentioned this whole ordeal to him and he's

1144
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.360
just standing there looking at me. He says, well, that's

1145
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.599
wrong right there. He said, no one is allowed, no

1146
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:32.840
overnight camping, no hunting, no anything is allowed in this

1147
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.239
park after dark. He said, I'll go back and check

1148
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:38.840
and make note of it. But he said, trust me,

1149
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.239
there's no primitive campers here. If they are, they're breaking

1150
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.360
the wall. He said, there's kids camping, they're breaking the wall.

1151
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.000
He said, I'm going to go back and make note

1152
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:49.239
of it. But he said, yeah, there's no one that

1153
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:53.159
should be legally in this park after dark. So that's

1154
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.800
that was a big introduction for me into my research

1155
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:03.960
in Chestnut Ridge, and and Mary introduced me to Stan Gordon.

1156
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.599
She knew of him through conversations with people she had

1157
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:11.440
learned through the Internet, and I didn't know who he was.

1158
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:15.920
We didn't have any body local that I was aware

1159
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.360
of Bigfoot all the five years six years i'd already

1160
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.639
been here, So I was basically independent on my own,

1161
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.320
just doing the best I could, hoping something if it

1162
01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:28.679
was as many reports as the guys from Kent State

1163
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:33.199
were saying that, hey, Pennsylvania has a good history of Bigfoot,

1164
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:37.159
but I couldn't find any written reports to back up

1165
01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:40.000
what they were saying verbally. So I was just out

1166
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.679
there in the areas that they kind of gave me

1167
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.880
hints to go to and hoping something would make itself present.

1168
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:49.320
But then I met Stan and I met the Pennsylvania

1169
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:54.519
Bigfoot Society, and I became a member, and they introduced

1170
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:59.119
me to some hotspots own Chestnut Ridge, and that's where

1171
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.119
a lot of activity that I was involved in or

1172
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:10.000
followed up on active investigations within days or hours following

1173
01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:15.199
uh following that, that's where it all kicked off at

1174
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.760
I was, and then, like I said, I sent you

1175
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:22.840
a paper of documentation and of some of the activities

1176
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.639
that I pursued and wanted. I really was intrigued by

1177
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.840
because again a lot of these people other people. At

1178
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.880
the time, there was no Internet sites like there are

1179
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.039
now to use for reference. There was no conferences, there

1180
01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:39.440
were no of until two thousand and five was the

1181
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.800
first time I ever went to a conference in Ohio

1182
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.880
and met other people that were like minded. Before that

1183
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.880
and before the Pennsylvania Big for Society, I didn't really

1184
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.800
have anybody but Mary in Tennessee. She was from Higby, Tennessee,

1185
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.719
which is northern up near Daniel Boone's National Force, which

1186
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:02.320
is where she had some encounters at the Radowski Brothers

1187
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.320
were up in Fayette County, which I hadn't even ventured

1188
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:10.519
up to yet. I didn't know about those locations, so

1189
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:14.880
I'm just in other places. Later there was activity occurred

1190
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:19.519
in those places. The two thousand and three the January three,

1191
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.960
that one was really an amazing event for me and

1192
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:26.679
three other guys. We went up to top of Dairy Ridge,

1193
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.440
which is the third or fourth highest elevation in Pennsylvania

1194
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.519
and on the east probably like the seventh highest elevation

1195
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.760
in the East Coast. It's a twenty six hundred and

1196
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.719
ten feet elevation. I believe where we were at that

1197
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.480
we had our well, we now have an encounter, but

1198
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.360
we had evidence that we know was a big foot.

1199
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:52.599
It had snowed really really big, and one of the

1200
01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:58.599
guys had a jeep Cherokee scout and no, it was

1201
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:00.719
a chief. It was a Cherokee chief that was a beast,

1202
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.400
had the big eighties cylinder engine, knobby tires. That was

1203
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.199
the only reason we made it to the top of

1204
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:08.559
the mountain because we were driving eight nine inches of

1205
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:12.000
snow and we get up to the fire tower, the

1206
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.800
abandoned fire tower at the top, and we all get

1207
01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.079
out and we're standing up to almost our knees in

1208
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:21.199
about fifteen inches of snow, and we spread out, and

1209
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:24.399
all of these guys were bigfoot research guys, had been

1210
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:29.640
doing it for several years with the PBS, and they

1211
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:33.239
were very smart about their background. One guy actually had

1212
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:37.840
navigated been the mapping navigating guy for this whole for

1213
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:42.279
like twenty five one hundred acres back in the sixties.

1214
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.439
In the early seventies, he had mapped this area for

1215
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:49.560
the landowners and later for the Game Commission, so he

1216
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.079
knew and he had had several big foot encounters over

1217
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:54.920
those years. He knew that area like the back of

1218
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.159
his hand, so hey, he was up there with us.

1219
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.920
Another guy was I think he was here. He was

1220
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.520
a Native American and full blooded and we had him

1221
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.720
there in case we had something he needed. And it

1222
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.159
was good he was with us because the tracks we

1223
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:12.439
found he confirmed them. And then the other guy was

1224
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.840
just a regular researcher that had been doing it years

1225
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.560
before me, and it was a little older than me.

1226
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.680
So we get out and we right out of the air,

1227
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:23.520
right out of the car, we find what we later

1228
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:27.600
discovered was ninety nine percent sure it was cougar tracks.

1229
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.119
They were three and a half inch diameter, big as

1230
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.640
your fist, basically a loose fist, and they were about

1231
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:37.520
three and a half footr lint between the rear left

1232
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:41.439
rear and the front right. And we followed these tracks

1233
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:43.960
off the top of the mountain, and we knew it

1234
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.279
was a cougar because there was a distinctive two inch

1235
01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:49.279
drag mark in that snow at periods of time where

1236
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:52.279
it was letting its tail down in the snow. So

1237
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:55.279
we're following this cougar down what we believed the cougar

1238
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.319
down this fire break off the top of the mountain

1239
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.800
to a logging road, and when we get down to

1240
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.479
the logging road, which is probably a good hundred yards

1241
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:09.479
down this hillside the slope, suddenly the cougar tracks just

1242
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:12.319
vanish in the thin air. We're walking along on the

1243
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.680
logging trail watching these cougar tracks and they just disappear

1244
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.159
in the thin air, and we're all standing there like, well,

1245
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.840
where does thee thing go? He kind of just vanished.

1246
01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:26.399
And so we spread out and the best we could

1247
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.880
in this thick snow and just general knowledge it was

1248
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.520
all around us. We're walking in the diameter around these

1249
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:38.479
last tracks we have visual of and one of the

1250
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.680
guy's spots, it turns out the best big foot tracks

1251
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.880
any of us had ever seen. It was seventeen by

1252
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.479
eight and a half wide, seventeen length. You could see

1253
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.479
the distinctive toe marks, you could see the footprint, and

1254
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:57.800
it was so heavy, and it was walking parallel with

1255
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.640
the trail with the logging road. It was off to

1256
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.319
the side in the grunge in the fifteen plus inches

1257
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:07.399
of snow, and it was so heavy that it was

1258
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.680
crushing the snow down to about an inch two inches

1259
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:15.000
to the ground. And when it was stepping. We measured

1260
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:17.960
all this and I actually tried to recreate it. It

1261
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.119
was stepping about four and a half feet to the

1262
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:24.119
next right foot track to the left foot track was

1263
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.239
a distinctive four and a half foot stride, and it

1264
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.960
was crushing. Every one of its steps were the same

1265
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:34.279
from its successive weight, and it didn't lead drag marks.

1266
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:34.560
It.

1267
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:38.720
It didn't do anything that normal. Because I'm six to two,

1268
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:42.039
and I if I really try to stretch my legs

1269
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.319
on the road in clear conditions, I can stretch almost

1270
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:49.239
two and a half feet two in my younger days

1271
01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:51.479
two and a half to three foot, But that's almost

1272
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:57.479
like jumping into my next step. I couldn't do it.

1273
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.279
I couldn't bring my foot up out of that track

1274
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.680
without a drag mark. I couldn't pick my legs straight

1275
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.880
up and put my foot over or anywhere. I mean,

1276
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:11.439
I couldn't imitate that walk for any So we followed

1277
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.600
these sets of this trackway. We took pictures. I can

1278
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:19.239
actually send you one of the pictures, and we followed

1279
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:21.800
it for about I say, two hundred yards eighth of

1280
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.359
a mile whatever it's come without too But we walked

1281
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:29.279
and followed this trackway and we all knew this area

1282
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.680
because we were up there a lot, and they had

1283
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.960
been up there a lot since ninety nine before I

1284
01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:36.279
met them. But when I was with them, we were

1285
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:39.520
up there several times from two thousand to two thousand

1286
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:43.920
and three, in the period of time during summer, fall,

1287
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.319
other good months, not in the snow. This was the

1288
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:48.039
first time, I mean, boy had made the venture up

1289
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:52.159
there in the extreme weather. So we get out to

1290
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:54.920
where this suddenly we're in an open area. It's like

1291
01:12:54.960 --> 01:13:00.000
a glade. It's like the size of maybe four living rooms,

1292
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.000
five living rooms. It's like a twenty by twenty five

1293
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:07.000
times in this grassy, tall grass area, very pretty in

1294
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:11.079
the summer when it grows up. And as we're getting

1295
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:15.279
into that, the tracks just vanished. They just stopped. It

1296
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.960
didn't go anywhere. And then this would people like, hold,

1297
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:19.960
maybe it backed up in its own tracks. I'm like,

1298
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.479
there's no way that it backed up in those tracks,

1299
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:26.960
as perfect as those tracks are. I said, it just stopped.

1300
01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.000
And then that's where you got these people that want

1301
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:38.520
to start talking about quantum physics or portals or UFOs.

1302
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.319
I mean, I was never a believer of that, but

1303
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:44.560
I'm not a person to challenge anything I can't prove otherwise,

1304
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:48.840
and I don't want anybody challenging my research that I've

1305
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:52.800
been able to accomplish, So I try to be as

1306
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:58.880
professional and diplomatic as I can when something like that happens.

1307
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.119
But I witnessed that with my own eyes. I'm like, Okay,

1308
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:07.279
this is amazing. And unfortunately we couldn't cast anything back

1309
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:11.359
then because they didn't have anything that would hold together

1310
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.159
and form a cast in snow. In two thousand and three,

1311
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:19.520
the military and the law enforcement did, but the public

1312
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:22.800
had not received that product until I think it was

1313
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:26.159
twenty can or twenty thirteen that something came out, because

1314
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:30.119
Jeff Meldrum is the one who told me later when

1315
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:35.520
I met him. Into met him at Cabbulas at another

1316
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:39.439
event we had. He in twenty I think it was

1317
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.119
twenty thirteen, he said there was now a spray that

1318
01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:47.439
would freeze hardened snow that the military and law enforcement

1319
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:51.239
had used. It's called snow blow or snow something, and

1320
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:55.079
it's in a spray can and it will freeze the

1321
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.920
particles of snow around the track so that you can

1322
01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.039
cast it. Because when the the track's dry and it's

1323
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.279
creating heat. It's a it's a friction, so it melts

1324
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.279
the snow. But he said, this stuff is it's like

1325
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:10.039
liquid nitrogen or spray nitrogen. And he says it's so

1326
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:14.880
cold it'll keep the snow condensed so that you get

1327
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:16.880
a decent track out of it. But we haven't got

1328
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:18.720
a chance to try it out that I know of.

1329
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:21.279
So that's another one for.

1330
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:28.720
You, Dwayne. Absolutely incredible that. So I'm gonna I'm going

1331
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:32.199
to use an analogy, which sometimes this gets me in trouble,

1332
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:36.800
but let me just hear me out that this is

1333
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.239
the highest compliment big for society will be right back

1334
01:15:40.279 --> 01:16:00.960
after these messages. Okay, you have been involved with so

1335
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.359
many amazing things, and it's like you just kind of

1336
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:09.039
are going through Bigfoot history and just meeting this person

1337
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:12.159
in this person. The only thing that comes close is

1338
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.000
the movie Forrest Gump, do you know what I mean?

1339
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:15.239
Like he kind of.

1340
01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:21.439
Right, yeah, yeah, And I'm just thinking, I'm like, man,

1341
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.399
he has been the stuff that you've got, like Mount

1342
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:28.439
Saint Helen stuff. But then you're also like doing Chestnut

1343
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:32.880
Ridge and Stan Gordon and it's such a such a cool,

1344
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.760
cool thing, and I think, you know, I would love

1345
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:38.600
to have you back on the show at a later date.

1346
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:42.960
I mean, I'm looking at a list of different encounters

1347
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:45.960
that you reports that you took over the years, and

1348
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:48.359
there's more than a few on here that I would

1349
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:52.359
love to know more info about. And I think definitely

1350
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:55.880
it warrants you coming back on the show if you

1351
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:59.880
would be interested in that at a later time.

1352
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:03.279
I would be very pleased to come back and thank

1353
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.359
you for a second invite. I would love to go.

1354
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:09.439
I've got six seven hours of material that's my material

1355
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:14.399
that I personally, you haven't even heard of, my lock throwing,

1356
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.560
encounters in my tree, being pushed over in the wood

1357
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:20.640
knocks and all the things that were in my face

1358
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.119
type stuff. I mean you, I can turn the whole

1359
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:27.239
table and get away from the historical stuff and tell

1360
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.600
you personal stuff. It'll blow your socks off.

1361
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:33.840
I think we're going to get there for sure, Dwayne,

1362
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:38.079
And man, is there a way that people can keep

1363
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:40.680
up to date with what you're doing? Are you one

1364
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:42.720
of these guys that are kind of in the shadows

1365
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:45.880
and when you get out and start talking, people are wow.

1366
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:50.920
I was very much. I was very much a shadow

1367
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:55.520
guy for years, letting other people share my experiences, and

1368
01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:57.399
I was fine with that, and I only come out

1369
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.960
in twenty thirteen. I was the first time I really did,

1370
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.600
or twenty seventeen. I'm sorry twenty seventeen that I did

1371
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:08.840
a podcast with small Town Monsters, another group that does

1372
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:11.000
exactly what you're doing. It's that they do have a

1373
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.760
lot of boots on the ground type experience. But I

1374
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:17.000
was willing to come forward because the guys encouraged me.

1375
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:19.279
He said, wait, you've got to tell some of your

1376
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:22.439
stuff to somebody. You can't keep it hidden all this time.

1377
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:26.279
I said, okay, all right, that's fine. So yeah, I

1378
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:31.760
started doing podcasts or documentaries in that case in twenty seventeen.

1379
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:36.319
I've done probably six or seven since then. And that's

1380
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:38.439
why I'm very intrigued to do yours, because I like

1381
01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:43.439
how your audience, how your followers are very informed and

1382
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.520
very professional. They they don't bash people like me that

1383
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:51.039
have I can't help I have experiences I have. It

1384
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.600
just seems to drop in my lap. I wish I knew,

1385
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.199
because the other thing is so frustrating is are not

1386
01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:00.199
frustrating but interesting is I go looking for bigfoot to

1387
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.079
get immigration and evidence on bigfoot, and I end up

1388
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.760
with all these strangers, which is the thing. It is.

1389
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:07.880
That's a want of tile, a strange, rare and unusual

1390
01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:12.399
other events. And I could have a whole session on

1391
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:15.600
that because I've done presentations just on that element.

1392
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:20.399
Oh my goodness. Yeah, we try to keep things classy

1393
01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:23.439
over here, and you know, see what we can learn

1394
01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:27.880
from from different individuals that have had encounters. I think

1395
01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:30.039
you can learn something from from anyone.

1396
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So I'm good with anybody who wants to communicate. Anybody

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wants to reach out through your I don't know if

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it's going to be on YouTube or TikTok or however

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you're going to present this. I'm fine with anybody. I'm

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01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.279
an open guy now, I talk to anyone on the

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01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:49.119
same level I'm speaking with you. I give everybody the

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01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:52.760
same respect, and I don't hold back. Now somebody starts

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01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:56.239
challenging me in a very non professional way, I will

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01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:59.399
shut them down because I don't want to be badgered

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01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:03.600
by anybody. Tell them me he don't don't judge anyone

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01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:06.000
that does this unless you're willing to come out and

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01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:10.279
experience it for yourself. Because it's a different environment than

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01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:14.560
sitting in your house looking at the computer. You there

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01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:16.720
are unforl to a lot of people that want to

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01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:20.439
grandstand and get up a publicity and they put they

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01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.680
embellish their experience or they have none, and they they

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01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:26.760
steal experiences like I've had a couple of stolen from

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01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.119
me that people want to own for themselves. And it's

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01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:31.840
probably my own fault that I've shared open, been too

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01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.119
open with people and they ended up trying to own

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01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:38.239
the uh own the experience then, and it wasn't them.

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01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:40.680
Some of them had never even been in the woods before.

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01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:44.359
So those I don't want to participate with. But anybody

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01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:49.680
that has a genuine, sincere, honest interest, I'll be glad

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01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:51.720
to talk with them for hours, take them to the

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01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:54.680
points that I can take them to, and they will

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01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:56.920
be amazed. I know they're going to be amazed.

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01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.880
That's awesome. Do you have an email address that people

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01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.119
can reach out to at Dwayne.

1425
01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:07.159
Or Yeah, it's my Yahoo account, one of them. It's

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01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:11.560
my last name truncated. It's p I N T O

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01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.600
F D E at yahoo dot com. That's the one

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01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:19.600
I have on my business card. Okay, awesome, and they're

1429
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:22.680
more than welcome to send me a message. I'm on

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01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:28.319
Facebook and Messenger and TikTok, and I love to talk

1431
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:31.079
about this stuff. And again, I have an open interest

1432
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:37.039
in all areas of cryptozoology, and I'm not so much

1433
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:42.239
in following UFOs and UAPs. That's another element that people

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01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:47.039
sincerely followed. But I if I've had exposures and that

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01:21:47.119 --> 01:21:51.039
one paper I sent you with the illuminated object, that's

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01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:53.000
the only thing I got this close to a UFO,

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01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:55.560
and I was out bigfooting when that happened. Wow, and

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01:21:55.880 --> 01:22:02.359
that was very special. So I don't follow those other

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01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:05.680
areas of interest as much as I did big food.

1440
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:11.399
Well, Dwayne, you've had some really interesting things happen so far.

1441
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:14.720
I could see you know you definitely are probably going

1442
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.760
to keep having things happen as well. But I just

1443
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:20.079
want to say thank you for coming on the show.

1444
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.560
We're definitely going to be in touch in having you

1445
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:26.800
back on again. But man, it's been a pleasure chatting

1446
01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:27.359
with you today.

1447
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:31.399
Thank you, well, thank you, And I've had a pleasure

1448
01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:33.800
talking with you as well, Jeremiah. Thank you for taking

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01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:36.960
time to listen to me and to publish this out

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01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:39.720
to your followers. And I hope, yeah, I look forward

1451
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:43.319
to another interview session with you in the future.

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01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:47.920
I just want to take a few minutes to say

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01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:51.000
thank you to you all my listeners for listening to

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the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the

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it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If

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you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or

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01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:23.159
know someone who has, please reach out to me at

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Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

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McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

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see you back next time. Listeners. Sasat Summerfest this year

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