Oct. 12, 2024

The Self-Sufficiency of Sasquatch in Packwood, Washington

Join host Jeremiah Byron on the Bigfoot Society podcast as he delves into a compelling account with Donny, who shares a vivid recollection of a mysterious encounter in Packwood, Washington. As Donny and his family traverse around Mount Rainier, an...

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Season 1

Join host Jeremiah Byron on the Bigfoot Society podcast as he delves into a compelling account with Donny, who shares a vivid recollection of a mysterious encounter in Packwood, Washington. As Donny and his family traverse around Mount Rainier, an unexpected sighting disrupts their scenic drive—a towering, enigmatic creature makes its presence known, leaving Donny and his daughter in awe. This episode explores the profound impact of the encounter, blending personal anecdotes with a deeper reflection on perception and humanity's quest for understanding the unknown.

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with the show. All right, Big for Society. We've got

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the privilege of talking to mister Donnie Wesson tonight about

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an interesting thing he had happened out in the state

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of Washington. Donnie, it's a pleasure to have you on

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the show tonight. How's it going, man, Oh, wonderful.

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Glad to be here and glad to be able to

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just share my experience.

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Absolutely, and you know, Donnie, I'm going to go ahead

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and give it right over to you. Is so feel

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free to take us back to that day, how you

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got there and what you experienced.

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Awesome. So it was exactly four years ago from today,

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so this is the four year anniversary. In the morning,

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waking up in Packwood, Washington, I had stayed overnight with

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my family for my brother in law's birthday the night

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before and a launch in Packwood, Washington. So this is

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near Mount Rainier and it's really at the base of

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the mountain. And so in the morning we were on

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the way back and this is with my three kids,

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my wife at the time, and mother in law and

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brother in law, and so we're all in the van

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and I'm driving, and on the way back there, there

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was a decision to go the longer way, which is

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around the mountain, which is through the mountain, or you know,

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the regular highways back, and so decided to take the

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more scenic route through to see if we could get

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more of a view of the mountain. And during the

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process I was re routed by Google Maps. There was

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like some type of construction or something, so a bunch

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of cars had to We ended up in a row

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of cars going around the mountain and through the mountain,

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and it was raining and there was there was still

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really good visibility. It was just kind of missy, like

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a normal Washington day. But when we got to the

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first stop sign after about two hours, this is just

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probably an hour to an hour and a half around

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the mountain from Packwood back to Olympia, Washington, and so

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we stopped and everyone was like, WHOA, look at that

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OLP And so everyone in the car kind of was like, Wow,

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it's huge, and then I was like, WHOA, what's that?

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And it's simultaneously my daughter at the same time was like,

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oh my, like what is that? And we saw a

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ten foot tall. It had to be at least ten

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foot It was so big, but it looked so confident

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and just like sweat. I can't even describe how how

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almost egotistical this thing looked, because it looked like it

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owned the forest, and in comparison to the elk, which

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is the first time that I've ever even seen an elk,

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it was making the elk look small and the elk

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was huge. This thing was like so unassuming too. It

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wasn't like something that everyone in the van caught as

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were at the stop sign. There was kind of like

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this social pressure which I don't usually even feel, but

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because of the detour to keep going at the stop sign,

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because there was like three cars behind us, but we're

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all looking over and the rest of the van is

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just seeing the elk, not seeing the ten foot tall creature.

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Only me and my daughter at the time ended up

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seeing it. We're like, but what was that? Though we

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didn't think, oh, immediately this is sasquats, this is a

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big foot. It was not the immediate thought. The thought

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in the mind was like, what is this is a

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very large creature that owns the woods, that this is

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his forest? It felt like it was his It just

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felt like it didn't feel like I was looking at

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like like a deer or something that you're like, wow,

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this majestic thing of nature. It was this very unassuming

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like being that obviously was completely self sufficient, and the

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timeframe to be able to pull out a phone or

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take a picture was not even there. We're talking about

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maybe under five seconds.

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Before this thing disappeared into the large streams behind it,

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and the elk was still there, but it literally just

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saw saw saw the line of cars showing up, and

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it just kind of strolled its way back into the.

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Into the in the wood, and it looked like it

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did not care anything around it being a threat to it.

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That was something that was very clear about its expression.

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Just looking at its expression and was like, this thing

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was not like I'm sure it could be spooked like

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it like an animal could be spooked or scared like

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you would think, but that would just be because it's

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just deciding to go do its own thing. It obviously

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looks like completely free of any like encumbrances like we

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think about. Maybe when I was looking at it, the

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first thing I thought was, how I can't believe something

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out here exists like this, and how I am going

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back to my life and just normal world. This thing

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seemed like it existed out there and was thriving, not

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like some like like scared animal that is hiding from people.

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It looked like this is its woods and its world

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is perfectly fine and well cared for. And so after

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that ended up in a conversation in the van that

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were like, but me and my daughter were like, but

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you guys saw that too, right, And They're like, no,

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that was the elk, and I'm like no, no. We

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were going back and forth each other like no, but

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the huge, like timse tall thing that like was definitely

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not the elk, and it wasn't a bear. I've seen

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bears and documentaries and bears and real life standing up

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them stuffs. So this thing was walking around very human like,

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definitely a real thing, not a hallucination. It didn't look

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like like you're just like seeing something and you don't

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know what it is. It was like very clear that

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this thing knew what it is, and I knew that

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this is a very large thing that lived in the

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woods and that I just had never seen it before.

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And the first thing that comes to your mind, I

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bet people who have seen it. I would guess if

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there was other people that have seen it, they may

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not have even known what they saw, because it is

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it is really assuming. It doesn't have the feeling of like,

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oh my gosh, Bigfoot, fast watch, even if you've seen

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documentaries about it, and even like if you're into you know,

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cryptoid or just all of the lore, even if you've

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been into that stuff and you go into the woods

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there in Washington State or maybe somewhere else near a

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mountain and you actually see this thing, you're not going

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to probably immediately think Bigfoot, even if that's something that

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you're into that lore, it just was not on the mind.

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The thing that just overwhelms you is how how large

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it is and how it's it's its own thing. I

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would imagine it's something like people who are really into

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wales and then they finally actually go whale watching, and

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it's just not the same thing as reading about or

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seeing documentaries about whales. You go there and go, whoa,

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this is a huge thing. Like you don't immediately go, oh,

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these are the whales I've been watching or been you know,

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reading about. You don't immediately think that. What you think

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is like, wow, what is that and so going back

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just to it, any of the other, you know, people

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in the family in the car, their whole experience is

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completely separate, which is that they just thought out because

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they didn't see the ten foot large thing, but you know,

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beside it that obviously was not anything that any one

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of us have ever seen before. I think the experience

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changed the way I look at the way everyone perceives things,

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because you can have something standing right in front of you,

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and two people see two different things, and so I

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think that that is probably why you would not have

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at this point some type of you know, collection by

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modern society of big foot or sasquatch sasquatch like objects

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or bones or whatever. Is because I think that it's

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the perception or perceptive thing. The ability for people to

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comprehend something that they haven't ever seen before does not

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hit everybody the same way. So that's just what I

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gathered from it, is that we all have our own

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perception of the world, and whenever that perception is broken

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by something that does not fit within the parameters that

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we're used to, we all kind of see different things.

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But sometimes the ability to see those things is more

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prevalent for some people and I think that that's what's

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going on. I think that's going on worldwide too. On

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different phenomenons. People are becoming more aware of things like

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bigfoot and sasquatch, But I don't think I don't think

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that there is going to be a movement to actually

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get these things because whatever they are, they definitely know

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to stay stay away from human beings. And if they

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are advanced enough to live out in the forest and

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be completely self sufficient and exist in a way of

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away from society, then they would be very aware that

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society is not a good thing to interact with. That's

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just from my perspective, and so that's my opinion. But

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from my experience, I would say that if you were

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to put one hundred people into the same experience that

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I had, that me and my daughter had with seeing it,

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I would say that probably a good thirty to forty

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percent would actually be like, WHOA, we saw a massive sasquatch, bigfoot,

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super hairy thing was looked so eager, toscle, and it

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looked like it looked like it did not even care.

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And the rest of the the sixty, you know, seventy

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percent would probably be like, well, I don't know I'm

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not sure. I mean, I did see something that was

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just kind of weird to me. It looked like something

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large and furry. They would probably be able to write

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it off a lot easier. And so I think that

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the skepticism makes sense because anyone seeing something new, no

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matter how many times they've read about it, just as

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if they were to find dinosaur in the ocean and

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that are really living or you know, in the tropics

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or whatever, it's not going to be the same as

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them catching it and putting it in like a zoo.

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And I don't foresee that happening in the near future.

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I think that it might be a little more maybe

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spiritual or or connected to the planet, connected to the

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Earth in a way that we may not comprehend. Just

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as just as we we are finally studying more things

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that were that we weren't able to, you know, before

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technologies were developed. I think as technology develops, our ability

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to understand these things is going to get better. But

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is it a legitimate, factual, real being flesh and blood.

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For sure? I think that that is that is going

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to eventually come to light, and everyone who's been talking

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about it for years is going to be vindicated, But

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it's going to be at the point when it's almost boring,

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when people have been saying it for one hundred years

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or more, it'll just be this thing where it's like, oh,

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people have been talking about that forever. So to me,

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it's kind of a given and I'm just glad to

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be on here and that's money. That was my experience.

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That's such such a fascinating account. Donnie, Do you mind

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if I ask you few questions about it?

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Oh? Of course.

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Uh, there was a part where we had interference, so

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I'm gonna probably ask you some stuff. You already said.

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We have weird interference on the show for some reason

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or another sometimes. So when you had the sighting, how

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long total do you think you were actually able to

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see it for because you were driving by it, right, Yeah, and.

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Then the stop sign first stop sign in like an

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hour hour and a half of driving around the mountain,

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and it's probably a good five to eight seconds, definitely

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not ten seconds, the gist of I'm counting out on

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my watch, it's about five seconds, gotcha.

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And it sounds like it was just standing there wasn't

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really moving around, Is that correct?

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It was strolling? If I could call it. Yeah, I

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was strolling by the brush by the elk. So the

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elk was standing right across the road. So if you're

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looking out, if you have the stop sign, looking across

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the road to the left, the elk was standing there.

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And then to the left of the elk, standing about

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ten feet tall, is this thing strolling. And it strolled

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towards the road out of the trees, and it looked over.

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Big for society would be right back after these messages.

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Not at us, but just over at the brush, turned

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around and walked back into the brush. But the attitude

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of its face was like the most egotistical thing I've

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ever seen. I can't even explain how much it did

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not care. It just looked like it was so sufficient

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and so like, did not yeah care at all?

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Right, exactly you said mentioned there are cars behind you

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as well. Do you did you get any feeling as

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that maybe the other cars had seen it as well?

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Do you see people pulling over?

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Or I think I was more flabbergasted by the situation

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to really look. And I don't usually feel social pressure

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at a stop sign, so I thought that that was

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kind of strange. That was a little different like usually

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I'm not the type to like care about driving forward.

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When I'm you know, in nature or something and there's

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a car behind me. It's differently than a car behind

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you and a stop stoplight or something in a city.

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So I thought that was kind of strange. It was

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kind of like there was a pressure to get out

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of there, not like fear, but more like, oh wow,

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let's go, like that's that's crazy that I can't believe

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that that's that's that's two nuts. Let's go like. It

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didn't even have the the feel of like, let's see

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who else is looking at it. I think it would

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have been really cool to looking back at it if

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the elk weren't there, to get out of the car

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and pick some picks, that would have been amazing, or

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get some video. But well, last it was. It was

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kind of like jaw dropping. I see why people don't

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have pictures. I mean, I was using my phone for maps,

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and like it did not probably stand there long enough

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to get a solid picture. I bet if I had

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my video camera out, I bet it would have been

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able to focus for like a second, because it was

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five seconds, and usually video cameras take a good second

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or two to focus. So I probably could have got

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two or three seconds of footage if I was really fast.

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But last no, it's situations like this where I think

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if I was in that car and I was driving,

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and I would forever be regretting not having a dash

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cam in that I would just every day I would

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wake up and be like, man, I didn't have a

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dash cam.

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I don't know if I would have, that would have

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been cool. That's that I had thought about getting months prior,

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just for you know, safety reasons, just to have one.

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But I don't think a dash can would have caught

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it because it came out from the brush from the left.

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After the fact, it probably would have caught the elk,

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But the dash can you know, it's going to be

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facing the front and this is out to the left,

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and it walked out, kind of stood there barely a second,

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and then walked back in. And I mean, so tall

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and so big, like very humanoid looking, did not look

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like a bear at all, had a face, an actual face.

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I think the face is what's going to stick with

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me for the rest of my life, just just the

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just the the attitude and demeanor of the face and

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how large it was.

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I definitely have some some questions for you about that

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in a minute. But you you mentioned that you saw

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it walk quite a bit. Did you notice anything out

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of the your ordinary about the gate or the way

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that it moved when it walked.

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Yeah, I would say that the length of the gate

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was strolling, like a strolling gate, but it was the

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legs and thighs are so large that like when we walk,

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when we're walking, it looks kind of like choppy, and

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it looked smooth, like the way it walked looked really smooth.

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It didn't look like like it was encumbered much, you

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know how like when we when a human being runs

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around and you see and you see the legs moving

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back and forth almost geometrically. This thing had more like

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a smooth movement like a stroll, like a but not

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like it just looked so relaxed and so confident in

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its gate. Like I can't even describe how confident that

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walks looks. It's such a smooth and confident walk that

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maybe if you've seen somebody that's like a big football

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player or something, maybe that is really confident in the

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way they walk, you could probably see something closer to that.

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But it's just a very smooth and confident walk.

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Would you say it looked overly different than what we

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have as a culture, what our image we have in

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our minds of you know what pop culture says Bigfoot

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is like Harry and the Henderson's.

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Yeah, I would say that the videos and pictures and

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stuff and descriptions, I would say that maybe they get

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the outline right, like the what's it called the shadow

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or the inverse probably is pretty close. But the picturing,

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like the cartoon ish and the imagery of it in

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shows popular shows that I've seen, it doesn't. It makes

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it to where it's probably more difficult to actually have

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sightings because of what everybody has in their mind. I

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do think that because it definitely has a very distinct

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look and face, and it's much more like like a

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shaggy and like put together. It's not like it's not

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like it's not cartoonish looking. It doesn't look like a suit,

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and it doesn't look like it doesn't look like it

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looks like it was made for the forest. So that

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is what's interesting about it that I think is different,

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Like it blends in with its environment. It doesn't look

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like it's standing out of the the elk stood out

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of the environment way more like it's forgettable, Like it's

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super forgettable. If someone was hiking and they saw this

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big thing walking through the trees, they would just be like,

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that was a huge thing. I bet that was I

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bet that was an elk, or I bet that was

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a bear or something. They would not remember it a

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few days later. Guarantee that there's been probably hundreds, if

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not thousands, tens of thousands of sightings of it where

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it is completely unassumed and you would just forget it

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because it doesn't match anything that you would that you

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would think of or that is in like a biology

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book or like a you know, a book of animals

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in zoology.

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It's extremely interesting. Have you ever seen anything that even

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comes close to what you saw that day?

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No, there's nothing, there's nothing like it. I've even I've

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even seen like you know, videos online and YouTube and

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stuff of other Bigfoot sightings and things like that, and

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it just does not even look like what I saw.

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So that's why I think that, I mean, maybe they're

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put out there by people that want to see it,

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or you know, I mean, the there was coming through Olympia,

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the Bigfoot, Bigfoot or Sasquatch Museum traveling Museum. And I

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saw that, and there was some like footprints and stuff

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of the size, but even that stuff was not the

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size of this thing. I think was even larger than

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that than what they had in their museum of like

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what the footprints were and what even the pictures were.

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This thing was huge. This is not like, this is

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not like at least what I saw, like probably if

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you had a measuring stick, it would be above ten

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feet like. And it was wide too. It wasn't like

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like scrawny like it's arms were wide, his legs were

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freaking massive. And it's I think that the fact that

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it's so unassuming is probably the most eerie thing, just

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remembering how much like it wasn't scary. It's just like

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there are things out in our world that exist that

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we don't even know about. But everyone is just like

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we just walk around our daily lives without knowing that

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the stuff is out there. What else is out there?

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Is my question? You know, this is probably the bottom

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of the barrel of what is really out in our world,

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is my guess. There's probably stuff that we cannot even

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imagine that is just so profoundly outside of our it's

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just guessing from somebody who has an experience like this.

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I think that there's definitely levels to this that are

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beyond our comprehension, and that's why we're not even able

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to interact with it or see it.

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Oh totally. I mean I would extremely agree with you

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on that one. Just before I forget, just to make

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sure that you're aware. I don't know if you've looked

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online to see if you could find other bigfoot sightings

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in the Packwood, Washington area. There's a ton so it's

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a very very intense area for bigfoot sightings.

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Wow, that makes total sense. I mean there's one. There's

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definitely one up there. I mean, and I think that

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I would think. I mean, just looking at it, I

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think this thing lives hundreds it's not thousands of years.

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I don't think it lives a short lifespan like one

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hundred years. And I don't think that something that big

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Just I'm looking at its face and how old potentially

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it could have already been. It's like a freaking tree like.

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I mean it definitely, they definitely have longer life spans

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than human beings. That's a hundred I am one hundred

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percent sure. Of that.

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After seeing it, you mentioned that it looked overly confident.

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Were there certain facial features that brought that emotion across

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to you when you were able to see it for

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a few seconds.

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Yeah, I mean that is the part that's sticking with

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me forever. That is the part, just the facial features

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of its attitude, the attitude, so I can only describe

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it by almost describing the inverse of that experience. So

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how we live is many times people live in scarcity

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of having jobs and bills and different things, and it

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wears on our I didn't even notice this difference until

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after seeing it, but it wears on our faces and

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on our attitude and how we walk around. And the

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way this thing walked around was like so self sufficient

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and so aware of its environment and itself that it

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looked like a completely individuated being, Like it was itself.

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It knew what it was, it knew its purpose, and

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it walked in that purpose. I know that it just

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seeing it for five seconds is is absolutely incredible to

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even make this judgment. But you can make those judgments

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sometimes when you even see other people and they have

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themselves put together really well, Like someone who is really

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well put together. You can get that pretty quickly from

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meeting them. This thing, for sure was beyond what I

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can describe as confident. It was so egotistical in the

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sense of like not in a negative way, but so

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completely self sufficient and well in its own environment. It

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was like I was coming to visit it in its environment.

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I wasn't. This wasn't the road I'm driving down. This

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was its road that it allows me to be around.

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It did not feel like I was entering a space

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that was Washington State, run by the city or run

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by It felt like this is its area, and I'm

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coming through it, just for a second. And that was

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also probably part of the social pressure to get out

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of there and keep driving and not take pictures and

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not take photos or video. There's an internal feeling or

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sense when you see its face and you see how

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it looks around at its reality or its world around it,

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that you're in its world. And it's not like looking

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at those documentaries where people get into a territory with

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a bear or a lion or something and it's like, oh,

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this is its territory. It felt like like like you

459
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.119
were on someone else's land, like a person, like an

460
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:58.480
actual person's land or a person's property, like it felt

461
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.799
like I'm entering into your domain and I need to

462
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.960
slowly and respectively respectfully get out of here, you know,

463
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.640
just just without making a bunch of sound or a

464
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.200
bunch of problems.

465
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.440
I've never had anyone in a few years. Just explain

466
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.480
it the way you are in. But it's very very

467
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:20.920
cool thinking back to that time where you were, you were,

468
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:23.400
where you were able to look at its face. Do

469
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.599
you remember any specific details about the face that really

470
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.079
stood out to you as you were able to see it.

471
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:39.279
Yeah, I would say that it didn't. It had it

472
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:45.599
had a very it covered and fur, but like the

473
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.319
parts around like the cheeks, the top of the cheeks

474
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:55.200
were visible and near the area of like the nose,

475
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.279
like that was you know, less hairy. It had less

476
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.640
hair there, but the hair was all like puffed out.

477
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.240
It wasn't like matted down like and the hair look

478
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.079
like the type of hair that even if it got wet,

479
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.680
that it wouldn't really go down and matt down, it

480
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:16.880
would just stay fluffy. It was the kind of hair

481
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.160
that looked almost like that kind of waterproof if you've

482
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:26.640
ever seen like hair sponge that is like you can't

483
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:28.839
really you can't really matt it down.

484
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.000
Big, so societyho will be right back after these messages.

485
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:52.319
I don't think it looks like well well well insulated.

486
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.640
And so the face itself, the jaw and the and

487
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:02.400
the mouth and the eyes have a very wide and

488
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:07.599
almost like you could say like if you've seen like

489
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.880
a I don't know, maybe a more human looking camel.

490
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.839
That sounds kind of funny, but like it's definitely protruding

491
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.920
farther out from the jaw than the forehead. And the

492
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.440
forehead is there is high. It's higher than probably what

493
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.440
you would imagine would be normal, but it's also wider.

494
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.960
So in the depictions I've seen in video and different

495
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.599
stuff since then, and looking at stuff I didn't see

496
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.160
the same that many of the videos just show like

497
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.279
kind of like a taller center face. This is definitely

498
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:47.240
wide and tall, like as as tall as the forehead was.

499
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.240
Is wide, almost square like like blocklike, and the body

500
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:57.960
had a block like appearance in that, like the the

501
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:04.960
structure looked completely bulky. There's nothing lanky about it. And

502
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.400
this is you know, September, so maybe they get maybe

503
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.839
they actually get coats for the winter and stuff. So

504
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.759
maybe that's what it was, and it was getting more

505
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.440
puffed out with its hair and everything. But the eyes

506
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.400
were very high set, the eyes in the in the

507
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.480
in the eyebrows ridge, it was more of a ridge

508
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.920
and it was all covered in hair, so it wasn't like,

509
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.640
you know, just eyebrows, but probably a little more furry

510
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.799
there on the eyebrows. But it definitely looked like like

511
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:37.480
the the structure was moving together simultaneously. So we're we're

512
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.440
not talking about what I know of any masks or

513
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.640
suits that are out there like this. There's there was

514
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:50.000
nothing animatronic about it, very natural and the you couldn't

515
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.000
really see any type of ears, but it definitely was

516
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:57.880
there like it was within the structure of like the hair,

517
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.119
but it was all you know, puff stut hair. It

518
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.119
didn't look like it didn't look like a bear at

519
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.920
all because they have more like wiry type hair. This

520
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.720
is like a puffed out kind of fur that is

521
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.519
like more fluffy, almost like a stuffed animal, but like

522
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:21.640
a really fluffy stuffed animal. And I'd say the the

523
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:28.759
the the feet were almost like the like dreaded type hair,

524
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.640
very kind of mad a dreaded type hair, and the

525
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:37.279
feet were so large with the thighs and the and

526
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.480
I can't even describe to how large I haven't seen.

527
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.400
I've seen an elephant in a zoo before, and I

528
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.400
swear this thing had larger thighs and larger calves and

529
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.799
feet than an elephant like it is definitely it was

530
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.920
definitely larger than what even I've seen at the zoo

531
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:59.599
of elephants. This thing was so large that you probably

532
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.519
wouldn't even comprehend it as a bigfoot or something. You

533
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.799
would go, you would go, what is that? That's what

534
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:07.279
the first thing that came to my mind and my

535
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.440
daughter's mind. We didn't think, oh, that's bigfoot. Even five

536
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.160
seconds afterwards we were driving off, we were like, what

537
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:19.519
was that? What was that? Yeah?

538
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:25.039
The details about the hair very very interesting. Thinking of

539
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.880
the face, what you saw, would you say what you

540
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.279
saw you could easily see in a zoo or as

541
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.440
something walking down the street in your hometown.

542
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.519
I think it's closer to something walking down the street

543
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.519
than it would be in the zoo. But I think

544
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.279
if you saw it walking down the street, you probably

545
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.960
going right in your house, even if you liked bigfoot stuff,

546
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.240
even if you were into it, and you were into

547
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:58.319
that type of stuff. I think that that it's probably

548
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:04.160
so frightening because it's not. It's not it's not what's

549
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:08.119
the word comforting, It's not comforting to see anything like that.

550
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.159
It's not like it's not scary you out of your mind.

551
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.440
It's just more like it does make you feel smaller,

552
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.199
as like a human you feel kind of The one

553
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.199
immediate thing that I got afterwards was a feeling of

554
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.639
kind of like insecurity and lack not as myself but

555
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.159
as human beings. It made me feel like we kind

556
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.440
of lost the way in society. That was my immediate thought. Like,

557
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.280
as I'm driving off, I'm like, wait, we lost the

558
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.119
plot on being human beings. Whatever we did, that thing

559
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:40.400
is doing it right and we're not doing it right.

560
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.320
That was the That was the vibe, because I immediately was like, wait,

561
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.880
so I'm going back to the world to like pay

562
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.679
bills and care about all this stuff that maybe I

563
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:55.199
don't care about so much with society. And I was

564
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.159
never like I didn't have that feeling towards civilization or

565
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.599
society as a whole, like like I didn't have any

566
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.519
negative feelings towards it. I just was like that thing

567
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.119
was so huge and so well put together and so

568
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.800
in its own element, and I myself am not in

569
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.719
my own element. So if you saw it walking down

570
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.920
the street, if you saw in the zoo, you would

571
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.360
feel like, this thing has been trapped. You wouldn't think

572
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.840
like you don't look at elephants and tigers and lions.

573
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.079
You might think like pity them or feel sorry for

574
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.239
them and be like they probably would rather be on

575
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.039
the sierra or just you know, chilling out. But if

576
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.760
you saw this thing, you would be like, oh, we

577
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.920
trapped something like, we like definitely trapped something like even

578
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.880
if it was there for fifty years and everybody kept

579
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.400
seeing it, it'd be like everybody going to see King Kong,

580
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:45.559
like it's definitely been trapped. It's not It's not a

581
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:48.840
thing that can just sit inside of a you know,

582
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.840
area that we all look at. That's it's not gonna

583
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.960
it doesn't work like that. It doesn't even look like that.

584
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.320
Yeah, Donnie, I'm gonna say once again, your viewpoint is

585
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:01.320
very unique. It's I love it though. I mean the

586
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.480
way that you're describing how it made you feel is

587
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.280
a very very a unique and it's going to stick

588
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.760
with me for for a long time. I have a

589
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.360
few more questions about the facial details that you noticed,

590
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:19.719
the or the nose, the nostrils of it. Were they

591
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:24.000
like a gorillas or were they turned down like a human?

592
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.639
It was more, it was more I mean it was

593
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.159
more flat facing like front like like That's why I

594
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.719
said camel because it definitely proved protruded outworks and then

595
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.679
not like a gorilla where I had like large holes.

596
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.760
It definitely had a nose, but it didn't have like

597
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.000
a nose like a gorilla's nose where it's like larger

598
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.079
with the nostrils. It had more like a protruding nose

599
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.119
like you would think, I'm like a dog like, but

600
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.760
not that far out like like more smushed in maybe

601
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.719
like like you might see on like I don't want

602
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.079
to say a pug because that doesn't really matter. But

603
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.480
it's definitely farther into the face than a than a dog.

604
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.840
But it is not it's not it's not like gorilla

605
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.760
nostrils and it's definitely not human nostrils. It's covered in hair,

606
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.400
so it doesn't look like it doesn't look fleshy. At

607
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.480
least that was my strengths. There's not a there's not

608
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.400
like a fleshy nose there, and the whole thing is

609
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.519
kind of furry covered up, like it's not like that.

610
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.719
The upper parts of the cheek towards the eyes is

611
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:31.360
where the hair sends out, and just right above that

612
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.119
is when the hair starts getting puffy again. But around

613
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.880
the nose is all hair too. It's not like fleshy,

614
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:39.559
it's more just hairy.

615
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.039
So there was was their hair in like the upper

616
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:44.559
lip area as well.

617
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.280
Yeah, I mean that whole that you could think of

618
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.000
like a beard, but like the whole part of it

619
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.320
was just all hair. Yeah, the whole area, but you

620
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.599
could see you could see lips, like it definitely had lips,

621
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.480
and I think those are probably harder to describe because

622
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.000
they were moving, they're making grimaces and they were making

623
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:11.000
different faces, like pretty pretty pretty active lips like in

624
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:13.480
the in the in the jaw area was moving around

625
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:18.599
as it was like assessing it's its situation there, and

626
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.039
the eye movements. The eyeballs were huge, I mean freaking

627
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:26.679
if you're thinking about like I don't know like if

628
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.360
these if there's bones ever found, these, these are definitely

629
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.519
giant bones and there's a got to be a massive

630
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:36.079
cover up to get the if if these are being

631
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.039
found somewhere, you know, but I don't know. I think

632
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.599
I think it's very likely that they are aware of us.

633
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.039
They are aware of humans. They know to stay away

634
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.599
from us, and wherever they're burying their dead, it's probably

635
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.280
somewhere that they are all that they that they keep

636
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.079
well far away from human beings, and they seem to

637
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.599
be doing more than well than us. We seem to

638
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:00.960
be the ones that are kind of like you know,

639
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.480
reactive and very just kind of not knowing what we're doing.

640
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.000
It's very clear that they know what they're doing. That

641
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.199
was the vibe. I mean, that was exactly what it

642
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.039
looked like. That was the main thing that made me

643
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.800
even just insecure as a human being. Was like this

644
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.280
thing knew exactly what it was doing. It's not trying

645
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.920
to market anything or trying trying to have like an

646
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.320
idea about life, but like what is life? Or who

647
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.519
am I? Or what's my purpose? It was like completely

648
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.000
in its purpose and completely was what it was and

649
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.280
definitely not an animal. I would not describe it as

650
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.440
an animal like at all. I mean that's why when

651
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.760
you started walking down the street, room zoo. This is

652
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:43.239
not a new animal. This is a thing that probably

653
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:46.199
is more advanced than human beings. My guess is that

654
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:50.199
it's well, well beyond human beings, probably hundreds, if not

655
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.519
thousands of years more advanced than us. Because we are

656
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.639
able to have a phone and you know, talk, and

657
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.719
we have all this technology and different things. We seem

658
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.559
to say, I think that we're like really well advanced.

659
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:05.960
But the experience I had from looking at that was like,

660
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:10.920
there's different types of advancements. There's advancements that come along

661
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.000
with probably communities where if you have a community of

662
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.920
let's say one hundred people, but you've kept it going

663
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.519
for a thousand years and you have a purpose as

664
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:28.960
that community throughout time, that probably that whole if I

665
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.159
were just to just gathering from what I was looking at,

666
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.639
I think that it's definitely a part of some type

667
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:41.239
of colony of them that is so well put together

668
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.239
for such a long period of time that they know

669
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.719
exactly what they're doing and why they're here and their

670
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.079
whole purpose in reality, and human beings are very very

671
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.519
lost on that, and that's why I would say they're

672
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:58.039
more advanced, not advanced like cell phones, but advanced maybe spiritually,

673
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.880
and advance in a way that we aren't able to

674
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.320
yet comprehend. And that's probably why we're not able to

675
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.280
just see them every day, because it's not like an elephant.

676
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.440
It's not like something you're just coming up on, like

677
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:15.079
an elk. Just from my perspective, the.

678
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.239
Next question some people take weird, and I'll explain why

679
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.719
I ask it if I need to, but I think

680
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:22.480
you'll get it. Do you mind if I ask do

681
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.639
you have any Native American heritage at all?

682
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.360
I do? Okay, I definitely don't think that weird. I mean,

683
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.400
if you want to describe why you're asking it, I

684
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:34.199
don't mind asking that first.

685
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.519
But I'll tell you it's more of a personal thing

686
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.360
that I've noticed from doing interviews all the time for

687
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.840
the last few years that a lot of the witnesses

688
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.840
I ended up talking to do end up having a

689
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.800
Native American heritage of some sort.

690
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.360
Wow, that's profound. So I didn't actually even attask those

691
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:58.199
things together. But my great great grandfather was a Cherokee chief,

692
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.440
so my dad side, his father's grandmother was a Cherokee

693
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.360
princess and then her father was the chief.

694
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.000
Wow, that is incredible. So that means your your daughter,

695
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:18.079
I would assume, would also have related heritage.

696
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.000
Yes, Actually she was the only other one in the

697
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.440
corner that would have the related heritage.

698
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.760
That's my next question. So the other people in the

699
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:34.639
car they didn't have any of that related heritage then yep, okay.

700
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.079
They were Italian from Italian blood.

701
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.960
Not to say that, you know, people with Italian heritage

702
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.599
can't see Bigfoot, I'm sure plenty of. That's a really

703
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.880
interesting thing, though, isn't it that you know of you

704
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.920
had that heritage. Yeah, and you were the two that

705
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.440
saw it. It's very very interesting.

706
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.440
I would I would? I mean that that leads me

707
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.280
more down the route of what I was saying earlier.

708
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.039
I didn't want to go down this route too much

709
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.119
to you know, put anybody's listeners out so that are

710
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.639
really out there with tools trying to find it. But

711
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.760
I definitely got from the experience that it was spiritual,

712
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.159
because it felt like the first thing I thought about

713
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.519
is how humanity had spiritually lost its way. And I

714
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.239
don't usually just immediately think about that when I'm like

715
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.159
driving around a mountain and see an elk. Usually I

716
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.119
just appreciate what's going on and go wow, that's beautiful,

717
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.280
what a nice scenery. I don't immediately drive away from

718
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.920
seeing something in nature and go wow, humanity really has

719
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:41.159
lost its way. So that was the immediate experience was like,

720
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.639
this thing knows the way and has been living in

721
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:52.039
the way this whole time and we are not doing that.

722
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:56.079
That is incredible. There's another question I wanted to ask

723
00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:00.079
as well, if this, if this was your you and

724
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.800
your daughter's first experience, was something paranormal related?

725
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:11.480
Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't really. I don't really have

726
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.480
any other ones I want to share. I mean, I

727
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.440
have personal experiences that are more paranormal, but that would

728
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.480
be I mean, because the thing is is people can

729
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.880
have experiences where they might see they might think they've

730
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.400
seen something, you know, ghost, aliens, whatever it is. I

731
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.039
might be more open to sharing that. But the thing

732
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:35.639
about that is is all of those experiences that any

733
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.679
of those people have, including myself, those are not the

734
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.039
same as seeing this thing, because this thing is a

735
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:45.119
physical thing, Like it's not a it's not like it's

736
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:48.000
not like whoa what was that? I can't believe? Did

737
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.760
you see that? And it didn't really exist? And maybe

738
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.039
it was kind of there like a ghosty thing or something.

739
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.679
This is like a flesh and blood thing, Like it

740
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:01.920
definitely has a body, and like whether it has technology

741
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.440
to go through portals or like de materializes or whatever else.

742
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.239
I mean, that's that's funny to think about the maybe

743
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:12.079
maybe it does, but I think it's more more than

744
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.800
that in that it definitely has a body and that's it.

745
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:16.679
That was the one thing that about it that was

746
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.800
really interesting too, is it did not seem paranormal. It

747
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.199
did not seem like like like a kind of like

748
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.559
fighting where you're like, whoa, I can't believe what I saw?

749
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.079
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages?

750
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.679
It was more like what was that like?

751
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:55.079
That mm hmm interesting? And I asked that question, which

752
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.119
yes or no in it as an answer is perfectly fine.

753
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.440
But I asked that because it's something I've noticed over

754
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:06.559
years is that usually if I dig a little bit,

755
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.280
the person who's had the sighting also has had they

756
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:15.679
tend to have other paranormal type experiences like maybe you know,

757
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:19.679
ghosts or aliens or you know, there's a whole list

758
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.199
of about six to eight that could be there. So

759
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.719
more more a question for me but yes or no

760
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.119
by itself is perfectly fine with that one.

761
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.559
Well, yeah, no, I wouldn't mind sharing it. I just

762
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.639
don't want to go on down a segue. No problem,

763
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.199
that doesn't have anything. I mean not to say it

764
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:36.440
doesn't have anything to do with it, but I would

765
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.079
just say just say this, from my experiences in regards

766
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.320
to anything paranormal, is that I think from my life experiences,

767
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:50.119
including seeing sasquatch and seeing this being, I mean, we

768
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.320
call it bitfoot or sasquatch, but I think it probably

769
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.840
has its own name. It probably has its own name,

770
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.079
and we're just calling it that, and it's almost like

771
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.559
just to decrypt it's not really what it is. And

772
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:03.519
I think that that's the more important aspect of all

773
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.000
of this, is that whatever it is and my experience

774
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.719
in life is not what we are we are termed

775
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.239
as because what we're trying to do is we're trying

776
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.960
to create a dialectical or like a language box for

777
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:21.360
these things. And so I'd say from my other experiences

778
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.000
life that we are not in a very We're not

779
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:26.840
in a how do you want to call it, in

780
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.840
a very materialistic world like I would have thought when

781
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.440
I was younger. We're not somewhere that is very Everything

782
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.559
looks cut and dry when you're at the store or

783
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.360
you're driving around, like everything looks like it's supposed to

784
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.639
be like the way that it is. But all of

785
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.519
that information that's coming into our minds and into our

786
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.039
brains that we're interpreted interpreting is from the perception of

787
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.639
our previous experience all the way down to being a baby.

788
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.800
So if there are things out there that don't match

789
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.760
the things from our daily life, they could be in

790
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.440
our peripheral they could be in our experience, right in

791
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.760
our backyards. You're not going to probably see it or

792
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:07.199
experience it unless you're in a specific probably state of

793
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.000
mind which is open to that. If you're not open

794
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.639
to it, and you're thinking, I already know everything, everything

795
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.679
about the world has already made sense to me, and

796
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.800
everybody has conveyed it to me, and I'm educated enough

797
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:23.159
to know everything. Then when you have that experience and

798
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.239
you're in the car and you see the same thing,

799
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:27.559
you're going to be like, I don't know what that was,

800
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.880
that's cool, and you'll just move on with life. And

801
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:33.239
that's what I think is happening. I think that's probably

802
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:35.480
why you don't have it cataloged and you don't have

803
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.599
anyone out there doing it, because it probably is connected

804
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.880
to something more spiritual, which requires people to be a

805
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:46.000
little more open to experiencing something different outside of their perception.

806
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.320
So I would say when it comes to paranormal things,

807
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:52.360
at least in my experience, I now know that for

808
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.519
sure one hundred percent that it's not a believing thing.

809
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.880
It's definitely a knowing thing. And once you get to

810
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.719
the point of knowing, there's no going back. It's not

811
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:02.480
like you go back and go, oh, I guess I

812
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.480
was wrong. I guess my senses were a little off.

813
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.719
You never go back to that. You go, oh, this

814
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.480
is definitely something and I was not aware of it before. Cool.

815
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.119
Yeah, it definitely. From the people I've talked to, it

816
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:22.599
definitely changes them. And you're right, there's no going back

817
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:27.000
saying after that, no matter what people say around you,

818
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:31.760
what would you say to people maybe listening that have

819
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.400
a desire to see one of these creatures but they

820
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:36.079
haven't yet.

821
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.239
I don't think that you can just go have it.

822
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.639
I wasn't going out there to just go have it.

823
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:47.880
I think that the reason why you could search forever

824
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.400
and not find it is because it's probably has something

825
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.280
more to do with a human being and what they're

826
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:58.280
going through and what their experience is, like what I

827
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.159
was going through in that part of my life and

828
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.880
what I was experiencing. Another fascinating thing that was that

829
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.400
was had occurred is I had I had to bruise

830
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.679
my rib. I've been playing with my daughter and she

831
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.000
jumped on my rib and it bruised my left rib.

832
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.079
And so at the time, I was very a lot

833
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.679
of pain from that, Like I'd sat in the hot

834
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.559
tub overnight and you know, got it, they got it

835
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.559
feeling a little better, But I was in a lot

836
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.480
of pain at that time. And so when I saw that,

837
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.440
I forgot all about the pain. I didn't even feel it.

838
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.679
I didn't even think about it. Going back to the memory,

839
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.239
I can't believe that I wasn't even focused on that discomfort.

840
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.960
And maybe it's adrenaline or something, but I would guess

841
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.360
that if someone wanted to see something like that, they

842
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.480
might want to have, they might want to be in

843
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:46.960
a more what do you want to call it, maybe

844
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.360
a downward spiral or negative experience in life in the

845
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.920
sense that they might be looking for something outside of

846
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.679
themselves to experience. So instead of like going out to

847
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.440
find into some type of you know, beast in the

848
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.079
forest or some kind of like being and we're gonna

849
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.039
find we're going to find Bigfoot. If you go at

850
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.880
it with something along the lines of, wow, my life

851
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:15.400
has gotten to a point where it's kind of painful,

852
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.800
and I'm in I'm in a lot of I'm a

853
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:21.360
in a in a more negative state. Let me go

854
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:26.519
out to the forest and see if I can maybe

855
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.119
have a different experience or have something that feels a

856
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.159
little different. I would say that it probably is more

857
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.039
likely that someone's going to have the experience of seeing

858
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.519
something like that in a state of mind where they

859
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:41.960
might be in discomfort or maybe a little out of

860
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:46.559
their element than somebody that is like excited to find something.

861
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:50.239
Someone excited to find something is might even see something

862
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.280
and pass it off as just normal. But someone in

863
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.480
a state of more discomfort, like even my daughter in

864
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.039
the car, she didn't want she was tired of the trip,

865
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.239
She did not want the trip to go on anymore.

866
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.239
She already wanted to be home. So I was in

867
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:06.239
a state of discomfort too. I wanted to be home.

868
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:08.360
I didn't want to be out in the forest. I

869
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:10.880
don't think that it's going to come from that, because

870
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.880
I do think it's probably connected to consciousness, and I

871
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.239
think that if your consciousness is in a state of

872
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.880
discomfort and in a state of that's why I think

873
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:23.920
there's That's why. I also I think there's probably been

874
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.679
a lot more sightings than that have ever been reported,

875
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:31.039
because I would gather that maybe people have done camping

876
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.679
solo or maybe with their friends, not going to see

877
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.920
anything but getting away from circumstances in their lives or

878
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.480
getting maybe getting a break from their life a little bit,

879
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.239
and then they see something profound like that and they

880
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.480
just don't say anything. I haven't said anything really to

881
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.079
maybe one or two people in four years, and this

882
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:50.719
is a four year anniversary, and I'm talking to you,

883
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.760
which is beautiful. But I don't go around telling people

884
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.960
about it because it's not something that it doesn't feel like,

885
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:03.639
it doesn't feel like, it feels so profound, that there's

886
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:05.920
a different way of looking at the world that it

887
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.599
almost feels like you're grand standing on other people if

888
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.119
you try and go around telling them about it. It's

889
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:15.119
almost like oh, oh you had this experience. Oh cool,

890
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.760
you know, like you're so much better than other people.

891
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.159
That's where it eventually gets, at least that's the feeling

892
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.519
I get when you share it. It's more like either

893
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:27.639
like whoa, you're crazy. That's crazy, or that's wild, or

894
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.679
maybe someone's into it. But the rest are just like, oh,

895
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:33.639
look at these people that think that they're so so

896
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:36.880
important that they've supposedly seen something that no one else

897
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:40.719
has ever seen, that no researchers found. It's just it

898
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:44.159
gives off an air of arrogance, which is so ironic.

899
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:48.760
After seeing the amount of arrogance and whatever that you know,

900
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.519
experience was and looking at it, I would say arrogance

901
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:55.599
isn't even a term that you could call it. Because

902
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.360
it looked people want to make assumptions about it, at

903
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.559
least in pop culture that I see that don't even

904
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:06.159
match it. When I'm saying arrogance and egotistical, I mean

905
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:10.440
beyond your even imagination of having life figured out. That

906
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.960
was it like it looked like thriving. If you see somebody,

907
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.320
maybe you've met somebody. I've met a few people that

908
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.920
have themselves so well put together in their life, so

909
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.639
well put together in themselves that they barely have any

910
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.079
negative emotion or negative experiences. That's what it looked like.

911
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:34.000
This thing lives in complete positive bliss and perfection while

912
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.320
we're out here like struggling and trying to figure out

913
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.159
what we're doing. So to me, I think, if you're

914
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.079
struggling and trying to figure out what you're doing, and

915
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:43.239
you go in the forest, maybe to get away for

916
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:47.320
a minute, maybe Washington State, maybe near a mountain or

917
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.280
at least near some mountain ridges, my guess probably more.

918
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:55.639
Likely I would definitely agree with you. From what I

919
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.760
have heard, you're pretty much dead on with that assumption.

920
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.360
Would you ever want to see one again yourself?

921
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:06.559
I think under a different context, under the context of

922
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:11.719
actually knowing what they are and what they're doing and

923
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.280
what their whole thing is like. If they were to

924
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.639
if we were to find out that they had an

925
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:21.960
underground city or base or something, or they've lived here

926
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.360
all along and they have knowledge to impart in wisdom

927
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:28.639
to share something like that, I wouldn't like to see

928
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:32.559
one in the context of it being probably caught and

929
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.840
kept in some kind of room or some kind of

930
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.679
facility to try and test it. I think that would

931
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.719
be really ignorant. But that's just me because from what

932
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.840
I saw, this thing knew what it was doing in

933
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.440
the world and we don't. So from my perspective, I

934
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:53.000
feel like we would be the ignorant ones in that case,

935
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:55.119
trying to figure out what's going on. I think it's

936
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:59.719
a lot more likely that maybe when human beings are ready,

937
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:04.599
it'll it'll they'll contact us. My guess, just a guess,

938
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:09.440
maybe all of these large, you know, blocks and architecture

939
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.719
throughout history that human beings supposedly built, maybe maybe not

940
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.440
so much. Maybe I'm not saying for sure it was that,

941
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:20.280
but it's definitely probably related to that thing more than

942
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.400
it's related to us, you know, doing all that architecture.

943
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:30.920
It's a definite interesting hypothesis, and something of that size

944
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.800
could probably pick one of those up for sure.

945
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:39.800
It's kind of a yeah, yes, I would definitely. I

946
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:42.000
mean that's something we didn't talk about, but I would

947
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:45.360
say that this thing could probably lift ten thousand pounds easy.

948
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.239
It can lift a car, and it would have no

949
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.519
problem with think a truck, and I don't think anyone

950
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.119
would probably catch it. If you really were trying to

951
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:58.760
catch this thing. I mean, you'd have to have a

952
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.559
small mill terry or something. I don't think you're going

953
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:07.119
to catch it. I think that you could probably have

954
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.679
I'm trying to think, I mean, just to even get

955
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.280
the idea of getting out there and getting it. If

956
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.280
there's just one or something and we're trying to figure

957
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.599
it out. I mean, it's so huge it could just

958
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:26.559
over cars and have no no, it would be like

959
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:29.079
butter I'm trying to think of how large something would

960
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.239
have to be for it to be a problem. Probably

961
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.840
like a semi trailer might have a little bit of

962
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.920
trouble moving a semi around, or probably not much.

963
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.719
H That's a very very interesting way to put it,

964
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.559
but it definitely makes sense. Donnie just wants to thank

965
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.280
you for spending some time with me tonight. This has

966
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:53.039
been an incredibly detailed account and I'm so glad that

967
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:55.519
we were able to make this happen. Thank you so

968
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.400
much for coming on the show tonight.

969
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.480
So glad to be here. I appreciate you for allowing

970
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.480
me to share it, especially on the four year. It's cool.

971
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:10.320
Yeah, it's very cool. If there's anything else that, if

972
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.440
you ever need any help with anything regarding this, in

973
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:17.519
the future, feel free to please reach out Soli.

974
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:19.280
Yeah, definitely, thanks for having me on.

975
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.239
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985
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986
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.440
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987
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995
00:59:26.320 --> 01:00:22.480
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996
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:16.840
Her and I can get on here, we can tell

997
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.000
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening.

998
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.119
That's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will.

999
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.440
Give them the courage to come out. And now it

1000
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:28.760
feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks.

1001
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:31.199
I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

1002
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:33.039
That's all I care about it.

1003
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:53.000
Please let people know, Please let them know. If you

1004
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:56.159
ever see one of these things, you need to tell,

1005
01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:59.440
because if you don't, you're shame on you, you know,

1006
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:00.800
shame on you,