The Self-Sufficiency of Sasquatch in Packwood, Washington

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1:38 Glad to be here and glad to be able to just share my experience. Absolutely, and you know, Donnie, I'm going to go ahead and give it right over to you. Is so feel free to take us back to that day, how you got there and what you experienced. Awesome. So it was exactly four years ago from today, so this is the four year anniversary. In the morning, waking up in Packwood, Washington, I had stayed overnight with my family for my brother in law's birthday the night before and a launch in Packwood, Washington. So this is near Mount Rainier and it's really at the base of the mountain. And so in the morning we were on the way back and this is with my three kids, my wife at the time, and mother in law and brother in law, and so we're all in the van and I'm driving, and on the way back there, there was a decision to go the longer way, which is around the mountain, which is through the mountain, or you know, the regular highways back, and so decided to take the more scenic route through to see if we could get more of a view of the mountain. And during the process I was re routed by Google Maps. There was like some type of construction or something, so a bunch of cars had to We ended up in a row of cars going around the mountain and through the mountain, and it was raining and there was there was still really good visibility. It was just kind of missy, like

3:09 a normal Washington day. But when we got to the first stop sign after about two hours, this is just probably an hour to an hour and a half around the mountain from Packwood back to Olympia, Washington, and so we stopped and everyone was like, WHOA, look at that OLP And so everyone in the car kind of was like, Wow, it's huge, and then I was like, WHOA, what's that? And it's simultaneously my daughter at the same time was like, oh my, like what is that? And we saw a ten foot tall. It had to be at least ten foot It was so big, but it looked so confident and just like sweat. I can't even describe how how almost egotistical this thing looked, because it looked like it owned the forest, and in comparison to the elk, which is the first time that I've ever even seen an elk, it was making the elk look small and the elk was huge. This thing was like so unassuming too. It wasn't like something that everyone in the van caught as were at the stop sign. There was kind of like this social pressure which I don't usually even feel, but because of the detour to keep going at the stop sign, because there was like three cars behind us, but we're all looking over and the rest of the van is

4:42 just seeing the elk, not seeing the ten foot tall creature. Only me and my daughter at the time ended up seeing it. We're like, but what was that? Though we didn't think, oh, immediately this is sasquats, this is a big foot. It was not the immediate thought. The thought in the mind was like, what is this is a very large creature that owns the woods, that this is his forest? It felt like it was his It just felt like it didn't feel like I was looking at like like a deer or something that you're like, wow, this majestic thing of nature. It was this very unassuming like being that obviously was completely self sufficient, and the timeframe to be able to pull out a phone or take a picture was not even there. We're talking about maybe under five seconds.

5:33 Before this thing disappeared into the large streams behind it, and the elk was still there, but it literally just saw saw saw the line of cars showing up, and it just kind of strolled its way back into the. Into the in the wood, and it looked like it did not care anything around it being a threat to it. That was something that was very clear about its expression. Just looking at its expression and was like, this thing was not like I'm sure it could be spooked like it like an animal could be spooked or scared like you would think, but that would just be because it's just deciding to go do its own thing. It obviously looks like completely free of any like encumbrances like we think about. Maybe when I was looking at it, the first thing I thought was, how I can't believe something out here exists like this, and how I am going back to my life and just normal world. This thing seemed like it existed out there and was thriving, not like some like like scared animal that is hiding from people.

6:47 It looked like this is its woods and its world is perfectly fine and well cared for. And so after that ended up in a conversation in the van that were like, but me and my daughter were like, but you guys saw that too, right, And They're like, no, that was the elk, and I'm like no, no. We were going back and forth each other like no, but the huge, like timse tall thing that like was definitely not the elk, and it wasn't a bear. I've seen bears and documentaries and bears and real life standing up them stuffs. So this thing was walking around very human like, definitely a real thing, not a hallucination. It didn't look like like you're just like seeing something and you don't know what it is. It was like very clear that this thing knew what it is, and I knew that this is a very large thing that lived in the woods and that I just had never seen it before.

7:48 And the first thing that comes to your mind, I bet people who have seen it. I would guess if there was other people that have seen it, they may not have even known what they saw, because it is it is really assuming. It doesn't have the feeling of like, oh my gosh, Bigfoot, fast watch, even if you've seen documentaries about it, and even like if you're into you know, cryptoid or just all of the lore, even if you've been into that stuff and you go into the woods there in Washington State or maybe somewhere else near a mountain and you actually see this thing, you're not going to probably immediately think Bigfoot, even if that's something that you're into that lore, it just was not on the mind.

8:35 The thing that just overwhelms you is how how large it is and how it's it's its own thing. I would imagine it's something like people who are really into wales and then they finally actually go whale watching, and it's just not the same thing as reading about or seeing documentaries about whales. You go there and go, whoa, this is a huge thing. Like you don't immediately go, oh, these are the whales I've been watching or been you know, reading about. You don't immediately think that. What you think is like, wow, what is that and so going back just to it, any of the other, you know, people in the family in the car, their whole experience is completely separate, which is that they just thought out because they didn't see the ten foot large thing, but you know, beside it that obviously was not anything that any one of us have ever seen before. I think the experience changed the way I look at the way everyone perceives things, because you can have something standing right in front of you, and two people see two different things, and so I think that that is probably why you would not have at this point some type of you know, collection by modern society of big foot or sasquatch sasquatch like objects

10:06 or bones or whatever. Is because I think that it's the perception or perceptive thing. The ability for people to comprehend something that they haven't ever seen before does not hit everybody the same way. So that's just what I gathered from it, is that we all have our own perception of the world, and whenever that perception is broken by something that does not fit within the parameters that we're used to, we all kind of see different things. But sometimes the ability to see those things is more prevalent for some people and I think that that's what's going on. I think that's going on worldwide too. On different phenomenons. People are becoming more aware of things like bigfoot and sasquatch, But I don't think I don't think that there is going to be a movement to actually get these things because whatever they are, they definitely know to stay stay away from human beings. And if they are advanced enough to live out in the forest and be completely self sufficient and exist in a way of away from society, then they would be very aware that society is not a good thing to interact with. That's just from my perspective, and so that's my opinion. But from my experience, I would say that if you were

11:37 to put one hundred people into the same experience that I had, that me and my daughter had with seeing it, I would say that probably a good thirty to forty percent would actually be like, WHOA, we saw a massive sasquatch, bigfoot, super hairy thing was looked so eager, toscle, and it looked like it looked like it did not even care. And the rest of the the sixty, you know, seventy percent would probably be like, well, I don't know I'm not sure. I mean, I did see something that was just kind of weird to me. It looked like something large and furry. They would probably be able to write it off a lot easier. And so I think that the skepticism makes sense because anyone seeing something new, no matter how many times they've read about it, just as if they were to find dinosaur in the ocean and that are really living or you know, in the tropics or whatever, it's not going to be the same as them catching it and putting it in like a zoo.

12:50 And I don't foresee that happening in the near future. I think that it might be a little more maybe spiritual or or connected to the planet, connected to the Earth in a way that we may not comprehend. Just as just as we we are finally studying more things that were that we weren't able to, you know, before technologies were developed. I think as technology develops, our ability to understand these things is going to get better. But is it a legitimate, factual, real being flesh and blood. For sure? I think that that is that is going to eventually come to light, and everyone who's been talking about it for years is going to be vindicated, But it's going to be at the point when it's almost boring, when people have been saying it for one hundred years or more, it'll just be this thing where it's like, oh, people have been talking about that forever. So to me, it's kind of a given and I'm just glad to be on here and that's money. That was my experience.

13:56 That's such such a fascinating account. Donnie, Do you mind if I ask you few questions about it? Oh? Of course. Uh, there was a part where we had interference, so I'm gonna probably ask you some stuff. You already said. We have weird interference on the show for some reason or another sometimes. So when you had the sighting, how long total do you think you were actually able to see it for because you were driving by it, right, Yeah, and. Then the stop sign first stop sign in like an hour hour and a half of driving around the mountain, and it's probably a good five to eight seconds, definitely not ten seconds, the gist of I'm counting out on my watch, it's about five seconds, gotcha.

14:48 And it sounds like it was just standing there wasn't really moving around, Is that correct? It was strolling? If I could call it. Yeah, I was strolling by the brush by the elk. So the elk was standing right across the road. So if you're looking out, if you have the stop sign, looking across the road to the left, the elk was standing there. And then to the left of the elk, standing about ten feet tall, is this thing strolling. And it strolled towards the road out of the trees, and it looked over. Big for society would be right back after these messages.

15:43 Not at us, but just over at the brush, turned around and walked back into the brush. But the attitude of its face was like the most egotistical thing I've ever seen. I can't even explain how much it did not care. It just looked like it was so sufficient and so like, did not yeah care at all? Right, exactly you said mentioned there are cars behind you as well. Do you did you get any feeling as that maybe the other cars had seen it as well? Do you see people pulling over? Or I think I was more flabbergasted by the situation to really look. And I don't usually feel social pressure at a stop sign, so I thought that that was kind of strange. That was a little different like usually I'm not the type to like care about driving forward.

16:30 When I'm you know, in nature or something and there's a car behind me. It's differently than a car behind you and a stop stoplight or something in a city. So I thought that was kind of strange. It was kind of like there was a pressure to get out of there, not like fear, but more like, oh wow, let's go, like that's that's crazy that I can't believe that that's that's that's two nuts. Let's go like. It didn't even have the the feel of like, let's see who else is looking at it. I think it would have been really cool to looking back at it if the elk weren't there, to get out of the car and pick some picks, that would have been amazing, or get some video. But well, last it was. It was kind of like jaw dropping. I see why people don't have pictures. I mean, I was using my phone for maps, and like it did not probably stand there long enough to get a solid picture. I bet if I had my video camera out, I bet it would have been able to focus for like a second, because it was five seconds, and usually video cameras take a good second or two to focus. So I probably could have got two or three seconds of footage if I was really fast.

17:40 But last no, it's situations like this where I think if I was in that car and I was driving, and I would forever be regretting not having a dash cam in that I would just every day I would wake up and be like, man, I didn't have a dash cam. I don't know if I would have, that would have been cool. That's that I had thought about getting months prior, just for you know, safety reasons, just to have one. But I don't think a dash can would have caught it because it came out from the brush from the left. After the fact, it probably would have caught the elk, But the dash can you know, it's going to be facing the front and this is out to the left, and it walked out, kind of stood there barely a second, and then walked back in. And I mean, so tall and so big, like very humanoid looking, did not look like a bear at all, had a face, an actual face.

18:39 I think the face is what's going to stick with me for the rest of my life, just just the just the the attitude and demeanor of the face and how large it was. I definitely have some some questions for you about that in a minute. But you you mentioned that you saw it walk quite a bit. Did you notice anything out of the your ordinary about the gate or the way that it moved when it walked. Yeah, I would say that the length of the gate was strolling, like a strolling gate, but it was the legs and thighs are so large that like when we walk, when we're walking, it looks kind of like choppy, and it looked smooth, like the way it walked looked really smooth.

19:28 It didn't look like like it was encumbered much, you know how like when we when a human being runs around and you see and you see the legs moving back and forth almost geometrically. This thing had more like a smooth movement like a stroll, like a but not like it just looked so relaxed and so confident in its gate. Like I can't even describe how confident that walks looks. It's such a smooth and confident walk that maybe if you've seen somebody that's like a big football player or something, maybe that is really confident in the way they walk, you could probably see something closer to that.

20:10 But it's just a very smooth and confident walk. Would you say it looked overly different than what we have as a culture, what our image we have in our minds of you know what pop culture says Bigfoot is like Harry and the Henderson's. Yeah, I would say that the videos and pictures and stuff and descriptions, I would say that maybe they get the outline right, like the what's it called the shadow or the inverse probably is pretty close. But the picturing, like the cartoon ish and the imagery of it in shows popular shows that I've seen, it doesn't. It makes it to where it's probably more difficult to actually have sightings because of what everybody has in their mind. I do think that because it definitely has a very distinct look and face, and it's much more like like a shaggy and like put together. It's not like it's not like it's not cartoonish looking. It doesn't look like a suit, and it doesn't look like it doesn't look like it looks like it was made for the forest. So that is what's interesting about it that I think is different, Like it blends in with its environment. It doesn't look like it's standing out of the the elk stood out of the environment way more like it's forgettable, Like it's super forgettable. If someone was hiking and they saw this

21:41 big thing walking through the trees, they would just be like, that was a huge thing. I bet that was I bet that was an elk, or I bet that was a bear or something. They would not remember it a few days later. Guarantee that there's been probably hundreds, if not thousands, tens of thousands of sightings of it where it is completely unassumed and you would just forget it because it doesn't match anything that you would that you would think of or that is in like a biology book or like a you know, a book of animals in zoology. It's extremely interesting. Have you ever seen anything that even comes close to what you saw that day? No, there's nothing, there's nothing like it. I've even I've even seen like you know, videos online and YouTube and stuff of other Bigfoot sightings and things like that, and it just does not even look like what I saw.

22:34 So that's why I think that, I mean, maybe they're put out there by people that want to see it, or you know, I mean, the there was coming through Olympia, the Bigfoot, Bigfoot or Sasquatch Museum traveling Museum. And I saw that, and there was some like footprints and stuff of the size, but even that stuff was not the size of this thing. I think was even larger than that than what they had in their museum of like what the footprints were and what even the pictures were. This thing was huge. This is not like, this is not like at least what I saw, like probably if you had a measuring stick, it would be above ten feet like. And it was wide too. It wasn't like like scrawny like it's arms were wide, his legs were freaking massive. And it's I think that the fact that it's so unassuming is probably the most eerie thing, just remembering how much like it wasn't scary. It's just like there are things out in our world that exist that we don't even know about. But everyone is just like we just walk around our daily lives without knowing that the stuff is out there. What else is out there?

23:44 Is my question? You know, this is probably the bottom of the barrel of what is really out in our world, is my guess. There's probably stuff that we cannot even imagine that is just so profoundly outside of our it's just guessing from somebody who has an experience like this. I think that there's definitely levels to this that are beyond our comprehension, and that's why we're not even able to interact with it or see it. Oh totally. I mean I would extremely agree with you on that one. Just before I forget, just to make sure that you're aware. I don't know if you've looked online to see if you could find other bigfoot sightings in the Packwood, Washington area. There's a ton so it's a very very intense area for bigfoot sightings.

24:38 Wow, that makes total sense. I mean there's one. There's definitely one up there. I mean, and I think that I would think. I mean, just looking at it, I think this thing lives hundreds it's not thousands of years. I don't think it lives a short lifespan like one hundred years. And I don't think that something that big Just I'm looking at its face and how old potentially it could have already been. It's like a freaking tree like. I mean it definitely, they definitely have longer life spans than human beings. That's a hundred I am one hundred percent sure. Of that. After seeing it, you mentioned that it looked overly confident.

25:20 Were there certain facial features that brought that emotion across to you when you were able to see it for a few seconds. Yeah, I mean that is the part that's sticking with me forever. That is the part, just the facial features of its attitude, the attitude, so I can only describe it by almost describing the inverse of that experience. So how we live is many times people live in scarcity of having jobs and bills and different things, and it wears on our I didn't even notice this difference until after seeing it, but it wears on our faces and on our attitude and how we walk around. And the way this thing walked around was like so self sufficient and so aware of its environment and itself that it looked like a completely individuated being, Like it was itself.

26:14 It knew what it was, it knew its purpose, and it walked in that purpose. I know that it just seeing it for five seconds is is absolutely incredible to even make this judgment. But you can make those judgments sometimes when you even see other people and they have themselves put together really well, Like someone who is really well put together. You can get that pretty quickly from meeting them. This thing, for sure was beyond what I can describe as confident. It was so egotistical in the sense of like not in a negative way, but so completely self sufficient and well in its own environment. It was like I was coming to visit it in its environment.

26:57 I wasn't. This wasn't the road I'm driving down. This was its road that it allows me to be around. It did not feel like I was entering a space that was Washington State, run by the city or run by It felt like this is its area, and I'm coming through it, just for a second. And that was also probably part of the social pressure to get out of there and keep driving and not take pictures and not take photos or video. There's an internal feeling or sense when you see its face and you see how it looks around at its reality or its world around it, that you're in its world. And it's not like looking at those documentaries where people get into a territory with a bear or a lion or something and it's like, oh, this is its territory. It felt like like like you were on someone else's land, like a person, like an actual person's land or a person's property, like it felt like I'm entering into your domain and I need to slowly and respectively respectfully get out of here, you know, just just without making a bunch of sound or a bunch of problems.

28:10 I've never had anyone in a few years. Just explain it the way you are in. But it's very very cool thinking back to that time where you were, you were, where you were able to look at its face. Do you remember any specific details about the face that really stood out to you as you were able to see it. Yeah, I would say that it didn't. It had it had a very it covered and fur, but like the parts around like the cheeks, the top of the cheeks were visible and near the area of like the nose, like that was you know, less hairy. It had less hair there, but the hair was all like puffed out.

29:02 It wasn't like matted down like and the hair look like the type of hair that even if it got wet, that it wouldn't really go down and matt down, it would just stay fluffy. It was the kind of hair that looked almost like that kind of waterproof if you've ever seen like hair sponge that is like you can't really you can't really matt it down. Big, so societyho will be right back after these messages.

29:47 I don't think it looks like well well well insulated. And so the face itself, the jaw and the and the mouth and the eyes have a very wide and almost like you could say like if you've seen like a I don't know, maybe a more human looking camel. That sounds kind of funny, but like it's definitely protruding farther out from the jaw than the forehead. And the forehead is there is high. It's higher than probably what you would imagine would be normal, but it's also wider. So in the depictions I've seen in video and different stuff since then, and looking at stuff I didn't see the same that many of the videos just show like kind of like a taller center face. This is definitely wide and tall, like as as tall as the forehead was.

30:47 Is wide, almost square like like blocklike, and the body had a block like appearance in that, like the the structure looked completely bulky. There's nothing lanky about it. And this is you know, September, so maybe they get maybe they actually get coats for the winter and stuff. So maybe that's what it was, and it was getting more puffed out with its hair and everything. But the eyes were very high set, the eyes in the in the in the eyebrows ridge, it was more of a ridge and it was all covered in hair, so it wasn't like, you know, just eyebrows, but probably a little more furry there on the eyebrows. But it definitely looked like like the the structure was moving together simultaneously. So we're we're not talking about what I know of any masks or suits that are out there like this. There's there was nothing animatronic about it, very natural and the you couldn't really see any type of ears, but it definitely was there like it was within the structure of like the hair, but it was all you know, puff stut hair. It didn't look like it didn't look like a bear at all because they have more like wiry type hair. This is like a puffed out kind of fur that is like more fluffy, almost like a stuffed animal, but like a really fluffy stuffed animal. And I'd say the the

32:21 the the feet were almost like the like dreaded type hair, very kind of mad a dreaded type hair, and the feet were so large with the thighs and the and I can't even describe to how large I haven't seen. I've seen an elephant in a zoo before, and I swear this thing had larger thighs and larger calves and feet than an elephant like it is definitely it was definitely larger than what even I've seen at the zoo of elephants. This thing was so large that you probably wouldn't even comprehend it as a bigfoot or something. You would go, you would go, what is that? That's what the first thing that came to my mind and my daughter's mind. We didn't think, oh, that's bigfoot. Even five seconds afterwards we were driving off, we were like, what was that? What was that? Yeah?

33:19 The details about the hair very very interesting. Thinking of the face, what you saw, would you say what you saw you could easily see in a zoo or as something walking down the street in your hometown. I think it's closer to something walking down the street than it would be in the zoo. But I think if you saw it walking down the street, you probably going right in your house, even if you liked bigfoot stuff, even if you were into it, and you were into that type of stuff. I think that that it's probably so frightening because it's not. It's not it's not what's the word comforting, It's not comforting to see anything like that.

34:08 It's not like it's not scary you out of your mind. It's just more like it does make you feel smaller, as like a human you feel kind of The one immediate thing that I got afterwards was a feeling of kind of like insecurity and lack not as myself but as human beings. It made me feel like we kind of lost the way in society. That was my immediate thought. Like, as I'm driving off, I'm like, wait, we lost the plot on being human beings. Whatever we did, that thing is doing it right and we're not doing it right. That was the That was the vibe, because I immediately was like, wait, so I'm going back to the world to like pay bills and care about all this stuff that maybe I don't care about so much with society. And I was never like I didn't have that feeling towards civilization or society as a whole, like like I didn't have any negative feelings towards it. I just was like that thing was so huge and so well put together and so in its own element, and I myself am not in my own element. So if you saw it walking down the street, if you saw in the zoo, you would feel like, this thing has been trapped. You wouldn't think like you don't look at elephants and tigers and lions.

35:21 You might think like pity them or feel sorry for them and be like they probably would rather be on the sierra or just you know, chilling out. But if you saw this thing, you would be like, oh, we trapped something like, we like definitely trapped something like even if it was there for fifty years and everybody kept seeing it, it'd be like everybody going to see King Kong, like it's definitely been trapped. It's not It's not a thing that can just sit inside of a you know, area that we all look at. That's it's not gonna it doesn't work like that. It doesn't even look like that. Yeah, Donnie, I'm gonna say once again, your viewpoint is very unique. It's I love it though. I mean the way that you're describing how it made you feel is a very very a unique and it's going to stick with me for for a long time. I have a few more questions about the facial details that you noticed, the or the nose, the nostrils of it. Were they like a gorillas or were they turned down like a human?

36:24 It was more, it was more I mean it was more flat facing like front like like That's why I said camel because it definitely proved protruded outworks and then not like a gorilla where I had like large holes. It definitely had a nose, but it didn't have like a nose like a gorilla's nose where it's like larger with the nostrils. It had more like a protruding nose like you would think, I'm like a dog like, but not that far out like like more smushed in maybe like like you might see on like I don't want to say a pug because that doesn't really matter. But it's definitely farther into the face than a than a dog.

37:04 But it is not it's not it's not like gorilla nostrils and it's definitely not human nostrils. It's covered in hair, so it doesn't look like it doesn't look fleshy. At least that was my strengths. There's not a there's not like a fleshy nose there, and the whole thing is kind of furry covered up, like it's not like that. The upper parts of the cheek towards the eyes is where the hair sends out, and just right above that is when the hair starts getting puffy again. But around the nose is all hair too. It's not like fleshy, it's more just hairy. So there was was their hair in like the upper lip area as well.

37:46 Yeah, I mean that whole that you could think of like a beard, but like the whole part of it was just all hair. Yeah, the whole area, but you could see you could see lips, like it definitely had lips, and I think those are probably harder to describe because they were moving, they're making grimaces and they were making different faces, like pretty pretty pretty active lips like in the in the in the jaw area was moving around as it was like assessing it's its situation there, and the eye movements. The eyeballs were huge, I mean freaking if you're thinking about like I don't know like if these if there's bones ever found, these, these are definitely giant bones and there's a got to be a massive cover up to get the if if these are being found somewhere, you know, but I don't know. I think I think it's very likely that they are aware of us.

38:42 They are aware of humans. They know to stay away from us, and wherever they're burying their dead, it's probably somewhere that they are all that they that they keep well far away from human beings, and they seem to be doing more than well than us. We seem to be the ones that are kind of like you know, reactive and very just kind of not knowing what we're doing. It's very clear that they know what they're doing. That was the vibe. I mean, that was exactly what it looked like. That was the main thing that made me even just insecure as a human being. Was like this thing knew exactly what it was doing. It's not trying to market anything or trying trying to have like an idea about life, but like what is life? Or who am I? Or what's my purpose? It was like completely in its purpose and completely was what it was and definitely not an animal. I would not describe it as an animal like at all. I mean that's why when you started walking down the street, room zoo. This is not a new animal. This is a thing that probably is more advanced than human beings. My guess is that it's well, well beyond human beings, probably hundreds, if not thousands of years more advanced than us. Because we are able to have a phone and you know, talk, and we have all this technology and different things. We seem to say, I think that we're like really well advanced.

40:03 But the experience I had from looking at that was like, there's different types of advancements. There's advancements that come along with probably communities where if you have a community of let's say one hundred people, but you've kept it going for a thousand years and you have a purpose as that community throughout time, that probably that whole if I were just to just gathering from what I was looking at, I think that it's definitely a part of some type of colony of them that is so well put together for such a long period of time that they know exactly what they're doing and why they're here and their whole purpose in reality, and human beings are very very lost on that, and that's why I would say they're more advanced, not advanced like cell phones, but advanced maybe spiritually, and advance in a way that we aren't able to yet comprehend. And that's probably why we're not able to just see them every day, because it's not like an elephant.

41:09 It's not like something you're just coming up on, like an elk. Just from my perspective, the. Next question some people take weird, and I'll explain why I ask it if I need to, but I think you'll get it. Do you mind if I ask do you have any Native American heritage at all? I do? Okay, I definitely don't think that weird. I mean, if you want to describe why you're asking it, I don't mind asking that first. But I'll tell you it's more of a personal thing that I've noticed from doing interviews all the time for the last few years that a lot of the witnesses I ended up talking to do end up having a Native American heritage of some sort. Wow, that's profound. So I didn't actually even attask those things together. But my great great grandfather was a Cherokee chief, so my dad side, his father's grandmother was a Cherokee princess and then her father was the chief.

42:08 Wow, that is incredible. So that means your your daughter, I would assume, would also have related heritage. Yes, Actually she was the only other one in the corner that would have the related heritage. That's my next question. So the other people in the car they didn't have any of that related heritage then yep, okay. They were Italian from Italian blood. Not to say that, you know, people with Italian heritage can't see Bigfoot, I'm sure plenty of. That's a really interesting thing, though, isn't it that you know of you had that heritage. Yeah, and you were the two that saw it. It's very very interesting.

42:55 I would I would? I mean that that leads me more down the route of what I was saying earlier. I didn't want to go down this route too much to you know, put anybody's listeners out so that are really out there with tools trying to find it. But I definitely got from the experience that it was spiritual, because it felt like the first thing I thought about is how humanity had spiritually lost its way. And I don't usually just immediately think about that when I'm like driving around a mountain and see an elk. Usually I just appreciate what's going on and go wow, that's beautiful, what a nice scenery. I don't immediately drive away from seeing something in nature and go wow, humanity really has lost its way. So that was the immediate experience was like, this thing knows the way and has been living in the way this whole time and we are not doing that.

43:51 That is incredible. There's another question I wanted to ask as well, if this, if this was your you and your daughter's first experience, was something paranormal related? Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't really. I don't really have any other ones I want to share. I mean, I have personal experiences that are more paranormal, but that would be I mean, because the thing is is people can have experiences where they might see they might think they've seen something, you know, ghost, aliens, whatever it is. I might be more open to sharing that. But the thing about that is is all of those experiences that any of those people have, including myself, those are not the same as seeing this thing, because this thing is a physical thing, Like it's not a it's not like it's not like whoa what was that? I can't believe? Did you see that? And it didn't really exist? And maybe it was kind of there like a ghosty thing or something.

44:53 This is like a flesh and blood thing, Like it definitely has a body, and like whether it has technology to go through portals or like de materializes or whatever else. I mean, that's that's funny to think about the maybe maybe it does, but I think it's more more than that in that it definitely has a body and that's it. That was the one thing that about it that was really interesting too, is it did not seem paranormal. It did not seem like like like a kind of like fighting where you're like, whoa, I can't believe what I saw? Big for society, who will be right back after these messages?

45:47 It was more like what was that like? That mm hmm interesting? And I asked that question, which yes or no in it as an answer is perfectly fine. But I asked that because it's something I've noticed over years is that usually if I dig a little bit, the person who's had the sighting also has had they tend to have other paranormal type experiences like maybe you know, ghosts or aliens or you know, there's a whole list of about six to eight that could be there. So more more a question for me but yes or no by itself is perfectly fine with that one.

46:28 Well, yeah, no, I wouldn't mind sharing it. I just don't want to go on down a segue. No problem, that doesn't have anything. I mean not to say it doesn't have anything to do with it, but I would just say just say this, from my experiences in regards to anything paranormal, is that I think from my life experiences, including seeing sasquatch and seeing this being, I mean, we call it bitfoot or sasquatch, but I think it probably has its own name. It probably has its own name, and we're just calling it that, and it's almost like just to decrypt it's not really what it is. And I think that that's the more important aspect of all of this, is that whatever it is and my experience in life is not what we are we are termed as because what we're trying to do is we're trying to create a dialectical or like a language box for these things. And so I'd say from my other experiences life that we are not in a very We're not in a how do you want to call it, in a very materialistic world like I would have thought when I was younger. We're not somewhere that is very Everything looks cut and dry when you're at the store or you're driving around, like everything looks like it's supposed to be like the way that it is. But all of that information that's coming into our minds and into our brains that we're interpreted interpreting is from the perception of our previous experience all the way down to being a baby.

47:51 So if there are things out there that don't match the things from our daily life, they could be in our peripheral they could be in our experience, right in our backyards. You're not going to probably see it or experience it unless you're in a specific probably state of mind which is open to that. If you're not open to it, and you're thinking, I already know everything, everything about the world has already made sense to me, and everybody has conveyed it to me, and I'm educated enough to know everything. Then when you have that experience and you're in the car and you see the same thing, you're going to be like, I don't know what that was, that's cool, and you'll just move on with life. And that's what I think is happening. I think that's probably why you don't have it cataloged and you don't have anyone out there doing it, because it probably is connected to something more spiritual, which requires people to be a little more open to experiencing something different outside of their perception.

48:46 So I would say when it comes to paranormal things, at least in my experience, I now know that for sure one hundred percent that it's not a believing thing. It's definitely a knowing thing. And once you get to the point of knowing, there's no going back. It's not like you go back and go, oh, I guess I was wrong. I guess my senses were a little off. You never go back to that. You go, oh, this is definitely something and I was not aware of it before. Cool. Yeah, it definitely. From the people I've talked to, it definitely changes them. And you're right, there's no going back saying after that, no matter what people say around you, what would you say to people maybe listening that have a desire to see one of these creatures but they haven't yet.

49:39 I don't think that you can just go have it. I wasn't going out there to just go have it. I think that the reason why you could search forever and not find it is because it's probably has something more to do with a human being and what they're going through and what their experience is, like what I was going through in that part of my life and what I was experiencing. Another fascinating thing that was that was had occurred is I had I had to bruise my rib. I've been playing with my daughter and she jumped on my rib and it bruised my left rib. And so at the time, I was very a lot of pain from that, Like I'd sat in the hot tub overnight and you know, got it, they got it feeling a little better, But I was in a lot of pain at that time. And so when I saw that, I forgot all about the pain. I didn't even feel it.

50:28 I didn't even think about it. Going back to the memory, I can't believe that I wasn't even focused on that discomfort. And maybe it's adrenaline or something, but I would guess that if someone wanted to see something like that, they might want to have, they might want to be in a more what do you want to call it, maybe a downward spiral or negative experience in life in the sense that they might be looking for something outside of themselves to experience. So instead of like going out to find into some type of you know, beast in the forest or some kind of like being and we're gonna find we're going to find Bigfoot. If you go at it with something along the lines of, wow, my life has gotten to a point where it's kind of painful, and I'm in I'm in a lot of I'm a in a in a more negative state. Let me go out to the forest and see if I can maybe have a different experience or have something that feels a little different. I would say that it probably is more likely that someone's going to have the experience of seeing something like that in a state of mind where they might be in discomfort or maybe a little out of their element than somebody that is like excited to find something.

51:46 Someone excited to find something is might even see something and pass it off as just normal. But someone in a state of more discomfort, like even my daughter in the car, she didn't want she was tired of the trip, She did not want the trip to go on anymore. She already wanted to be home. So I was in a state of discomfort too. I wanted to be home. I didn't want to be out in the forest. I don't think that it's going to come from that, because I do think it's probably connected to consciousness, and I think that if your consciousness is in a state of discomfort and in a state of that's why I think there's That's why. I also I think there's probably been a lot more sightings than that have ever been reported, because I would gather that maybe people have done camping solo or maybe with their friends, not going to see anything but getting away from circumstances in their lives or getting maybe getting a break from their life a little bit, and then they see something profound like that and they just don't say anything. I haven't said anything really to maybe one or two people in four years, and this is a four year anniversary, and I'm talking to you, which is beautiful. But I don't go around telling people about it because it's not something that it doesn't feel like, it doesn't feel like, it feels so profound, that there's a different way of looking at the world that it almost feels like you're grand standing on other people if you try and go around telling them about it. It's almost like oh, oh you had this experience. Oh cool, you know, like you're so much better than other people.

53:19 That's where it eventually gets, at least that's the feeling I get when you share it. It's more like either like whoa, you're crazy. That's crazy, or that's wild, or maybe someone's into it. But the rest are just like, oh, look at these people that think that they're so so important that they've supposedly seen something that no one else has ever seen, that no researchers found. It's just it gives off an air of arrogance, which is so ironic. After seeing the amount of arrogance and whatever that you know, experience was and looking at it, I would say arrogance isn't even a term that you could call it. Because it looked people want to make assumptions about it, at least in pop culture that I see that don't even match it. When I'm saying arrogance and egotistical, I mean beyond your even imagination of having life figured out. That was it like it looked like thriving. If you see somebody, maybe you've met somebody. I've met a few people that have themselves so well put together in their life, so well put together in themselves that they barely have any negative emotion or negative experiences. That's what it looked like.

54:27 This thing lives in complete positive bliss and perfection while we're out here like struggling and trying to figure out what we're doing. So to me, I think, if you're struggling and trying to figure out what you're doing, and you go in the forest, maybe to get away for a minute, maybe Washington State, maybe near a mountain or at least near some mountain ridges, my guess probably more. Likely I would definitely agree with you. From what I have heard, you're pretty much dead on with that assumption. Would you ever want to see one again yourself? I think under a different context, under the context of actually knowing what they are and what they're doing and what their whole thing is like. If they were to if we were to find out that they had an underground city or base or something, or they've lived here all along and they have knowledge to impart in wisdom to share something like that, I wouldn't like to see one in the context of it being probably caught and kept in some kind of room or some kind of facility to try and test it. I think that would be really ignorant. But that's just me because from what I saw, this thing knew what it was doing in the world and we don't. So from my perspective, I feel like we would be the ignorant ones in that case, trying to figure out what's going on. I think it's a lot more likely that maybe when human beings are ready,

55:59 it'll it'll they'll contact us. My guess, just a guess, maybe all of these large, you know, blocks and architecture throughout history that human beings supposedly built, maybe maybe not so much. Maybe I'm not saying for sure it was that, but it's definitely probably related to that thing more than it's related to us, you know, doing all that architecture. It's a definite interesting hypothesis, and something of that size could probably pick one of those up for sure. It's kind of a yeah, yes, I would definitely. I mean that's something we didn't talk about, but I would say that this thing could probably lift ten thousand pounds easy.

56:46 It can lift a car, and it would have no problem with think a truck, and I don't think anyone would probably catch it. If you really were trying to catch this thing. I mean, you'd have to have a small mill terry or something. I don't think you're going to catch it. I think that you could probably have I'm trying to think, I mean, just to even get the idea of getting out there and getting it. If there's just one or something and we're trying to figure it out. I mean, it's so huge it could just over cars and have no no, it would be like butter I'm trying to think of how large something would have to be for it to be a problem. Probably like a semi trailer might have a little bit of trouble moving a semi around, or probably not much.

57:39 H That's a very very interesting way to put it, but it definitely makes sense. Donnie just wants to thank you for spending some time with me tonight. This has been an incredibly detailed account and I'm so glad that we were able to make this happen. Thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. So glad to be here. I appreciate you for allowing me to share it, especially on the four year. It's cool. Yeah, it's very cool. If there's anything else that, if you ever need any help with anything regarding this, in the future, feel free to please reach out Soli. Yeah, definitely, thanks for having me on.

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1:00:15 Her and I can get on here, we can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening. That's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will. Give them the courage to come out. And now it feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about it. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell, because if you don't, you're shame on you, you know, shame on you,