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Season 1

Originally released: 2/23/24Harold Benny is a very interesting individual. He's an Illinois based zoologist that also researches Bigfoot.

What happened to him and his fellow researchers in Honobia, Oklahoma after the Siege at Honobia events of 2000 is an extremely interesting tale.

What also is interesting is the event that happened to him in Mena, Arkansas. It's one he can't explain and that I most definitely can't explain either.

Enjoy this interview. There's a lot to unpack from it.

Resources:The Locals by Thom Powell: https://amzn.to/3SJ2KSO (Amazon affiliate link)

The Siege of Honobia events documented on the BFRO: https://www.bfro.net/avevid/ouachita/siege-at-honobia.asp

Harold's interview in Illinois Country Living Magazine: https://icl.coop/brushes-with-bigfoot/

Harold Benny's contact info:

Hebenn@gmail.com

217-851-1511

https://www.facebook.com/harold.benny.71

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slash the big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We got the

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privilege of talking to mister Harold Benny today. He's a

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zoologist from Illinois. He's got a very interesting story, Harold.

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I'm gonna let you go ahead and take the reins,

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my friend.

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Okay, about the summer that I turned sixty and I

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look at it. This would have been two thousand and seven,

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and this was when I actually I called it the

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first bigfoot that I ever saw, Although I had a

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couple of strange things that I don't talk about because

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they are so strange that that happened before. But this

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is down in Oklahoma, and you probably heard of Honobia.

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The locals call it Hornaby. And some of you probably

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have read a book by Tom pal called The Locals

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and the Locals. He spends quite a bit of time

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and he talks about this little town and some stuff

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that has happened down there. And I was down there

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looking around and seeing all the things in the book

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and everything. But the last night that we were down there,

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down there with two friends, me and two others had

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had gone let's say, south of town more or less,

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and spent some time setting in the bushes and whatever,

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and we just I had to go northtown and get

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into the hills they call them mountains, And we went

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up a mountain road about ten o'clock at the night,

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maybe ten thirty. We started up the mountain road, and

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we had an old pickup truck, and I rode in

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the back of the pickup truck and the other two

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just rode in front, and we went up there. It

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seemed like forever, but when we stopped and figured it out,

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it was about six miles and maybe seven and we

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parked the car or the truck, and then walked up

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a ways and we crossed the bridge or went across

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the creek, then up a little hill, and I got

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bad legs, so I'm never in a hurry, and I

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don't mind walking in the dark by myself. Anyway, I

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was going pretty slow and left the other two just

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going up ahead. I got up to the top of

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the hill and I had a military grade thermal, And

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back then these thermals didn't do anything except let you see.

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Now the thermals will record, and they're a lot less expensive,

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but they're not nearest as nice as accurate. Anyway, I

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had this thermal, and I'd been up in this location before,

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and as I was walking the road to the Temphry road,

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I would stopped here and there and panned through the

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woods with this thermal. And I hadn't gone too far

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up this hill to the top of it, when I

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happened to see a head in the bushes moving up

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and down, and I just froze, didn't move, and I

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had the thermal on this object, and I just stayed

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there and watched it for quite a while. He would

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just head would deck down and then it would appear

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again above the bushes a couple of feet away, and awful.

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Being over seventeen, I know at least the thing was.

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It was only about maybe forty feet away from me

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for it all. And I got a little nervous, a

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little bit upset with this great, big thing that was

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right there on the side of the road almost next

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to me, and I had to stop and take a

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couple of breaths, and I thought, Okay, just had my birthday.

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I made it to sixty. I've always wanted to see

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something like this my whole life. And it started spending

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more time out in the woods, and I said, heck,

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I'm going to watch this. I watched it as long

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as I could, and then the other tree I was

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with they came back down the road at me and yelled,

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and I looked up. And when I looked up, this

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big animal that I'd been watching and disappeared. It took

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the chance of the opportunity to get back down the

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bushes somewhere. So the other two came down and asked me,

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and I told him what I saw, and I don't

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want them, I don't think blade me. But one of them,

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another one that had the thermal ad a thermal. She

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looked into the woods where I'd been looking at and

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she saw the animal also, so I had verification right there,

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which so I know it wasn't just my imagination. And

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if she watched it for a little bit and it

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was leaning against the tree, it wasn't hiding anymore. And

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finally a guy away where she couldn't see it either.

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So I watched it. I'm probably not full minute, but

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then forty seconds forty five something like that actually, and

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I thought that that was quite a while. But it

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just stayed within a pretty small area, just going back

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and forth and looking up and down, trying to look

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watching me, and everybody asked me what it looked like

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through this thermo. It was just completely bright white and

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there was no detail ready that I could see except

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this was big and white. We radioed and we got

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a couple other people up there, and actually we sat

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in the seven minute ditches for a while and just

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hung around up there, and it was interesting. We used

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a couple of guys that were backed up in the

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woods there and they weren't too far away. They were camping.

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I think they were from Kentucky or Tennessee, and we

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gave them a call on the phone or on the

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radio because we were on the county road. This county road, though,

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the hunters cut it over and they put gates up.

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This is back in the hills, so there was nobody

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stopped doing this, and the hunters were told us they

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were going to close the gates to keep us out

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the rest of the night. We called these other guys

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and we told them they better pack up real quick

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because the gates were going to get locked up. An

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interesting thing that packed up. They started up their old trucks,

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and when they did, they got howls from behind their

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campground and we could hear them. We went that far away,

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we could hear the howls or the grints and the

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wood knocks. It's almost like they were communicate and say, hey,

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we don't know whether whether the one side of guys

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is that these guys here are movement, they're doing something.

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There was a lot of movement and there was a

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lot of sound up there. Now, let's see, so that

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would have been time that all happened. It would have

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been really close to right around midnight time. I had

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the sidings and we had the other people up there,

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but nobody else saw anything. We had some some smells,

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but they weren't that strong, and I wouldn't really want

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to say that the smells were associated with anything else

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that was right there either, And let me see. We

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went back down to the truck and we got out

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of the area before we got locked in. But actually

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for that sighting, that was that's the main part, and

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that's about what happened. Just this last fall in October,

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there was a rise up of that siding that seven

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almost seventeen years ago. And I did a spoke at

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the Murphy's Boro Bigfoot Fest this year and I was

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interviewed and one of the guys that interviewed me, he

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wrote to this story that I've just told you. He

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wrote it up and it was in the Illinois Country

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Living magazine that is put out by Electric co Op.

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And that's where I thought that you got the story.

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But now it's not many. It might not be the

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best story I've got, but I saw it. There's no

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doubts about it. It felt like I could almost touch

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it from where I was standing, and it was probably

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it was probably as bad as close as i'd really

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want to get to one I've been any closer I

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had been in It's a life soon. But I can

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see how some people get to get the jitters and

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they get to feeling funny and they don't know what

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to think. But I consider myself to be really lucky,

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one of the lucky few to actually see this animals,

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see it alive and see it moving, And it was

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like it was a dark so people were going to

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say it was dark. You didn't really see it that well.

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I saw a pretty dog gone good. But actually that

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about takes up. Next afternoon, I had to leave back

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drive back here to town, and I was excited all

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the way back. I still get excited when I talk

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about it. But let me see, I think that's probably

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about all what I've got to say about that right.

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Now, Harold, do you mind if I jump in and

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ask you a few questions about that specific memory you have? Yeah,

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go ahead, perfect, just because it's very rare to be

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able to talk to someone from that time period in

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that location for the listeners that might not be aware

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of it, can you explain what you remember of what

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you heard about the events of the siege at hoh

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Nubbi that happened around twenty years ago in Oklahoma.

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It seemed to be. It was a pretty hot spot,

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and I think there's been a lot of stuff. It's

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been closed down. You don't have the people don't have

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the freedom to go in and out. I don't think

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I could even get up that road anymore. Of course,

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you go anywhere, and the locals have seen this these

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animals or heard these stories, and they take it as

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just an everyday thing. But there was quite a bit activity.

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They have none dumpsters brought in, so they had a

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portable dump, and these animals would get out there and

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they'd get in the dump. I guess that was pretty common.

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And they would get into the cattle feeders. They have

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great big cattle feeders. Well the tops would pull off

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and they put the feed in them. They would pull

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off the tops and get in and get the get

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the feed out of them, and it was just really

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real common for everybody now. But right there in the

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middle of town there used to be a little store

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and there was a couple of cabins from rent. There

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was a house for rent, and there was a campground

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and I think they still have their every I think

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they still had a festival down there, and a couple

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of my friends knew a bunch of the the work

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with it, but I have not been back down there

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myself for quite a while now. There was just an

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awful lot of activity. It seemed like all the times

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I had, not just at that area where I was,

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but all around the town. There was something going on

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all the time. And there were I don't know, three

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or four sightings around the week that I was down there.

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I had been out. Actually I was in Arkansas the

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week before, and then I was in Hornaby for about

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ten days, and then all my free time was up.

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I was still working then, and I had to get

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back what I shared done. If I'd had any brains

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at all and had a little bit more time, or

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I should have made the time, I should have gone

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back up to where we were and into the woods

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and really checked it out real well. But I think

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that I got so excited in everybody I think would

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get awful excited that you just lose your common sense.

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But since then, when something's happened, I searched for footprints

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and hair and whatever, and then see if there's anything

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else around there. But I felt pretty lucky that I

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had another person there to cite the same animals, so

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I didn't. But and that brings up something else. Sighting

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of that animal by just about anybody is so unbelievable

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that it probably cut me three or four months before

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I really believed that I'd seen it, and I kept

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telling myself. Finally I know, I saw it, was right there.

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It wasn't my imagination, and I actually saw this animal.

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But I've had a couple of other times, a couple

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of other sightings where one of them took me fifteen

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years to finally admit in my own mind that I

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saw it, and another one I really haven't yet that

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I saw it. I don't crust my own mind. I

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don't think. I'm not sure if what in my own

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mind is if my mind's making up something, or my

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mind crying too hard somebody. Some people will try so

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hard and everything they see or everything they hear is

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a bigfoot, and they don't stop and consider what's actually

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going on or what could be causing what they're seeing

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or what they're looking at, And the first thing that

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pops in their mind is bigfoot. And there's a lot

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of animals in the woods, and some of them are

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pretty fantastic, the things they can do and think, Yeah,

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you have to stop and consider everything else, and if

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you can't figure anything that could be causing what you're seeing,

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then maybe it might be a big foot. And that's

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why I try to look at it. I don't know

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if I answer your question or not. Went around around there.

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I think those are you definitely need to have a

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discerning mind, is what I'm picking up. But going back

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to Hoe numb you a little bit. So, you said

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you went to that area because of some events that happened,

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and it was talked about in Tom Powell's book. When

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you went to that area to check things out for yourself,

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it sounds like did you talk to anyone in the

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area about the events that had happened.

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Not especially the events from that book.

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Now they went past there was one cabin where there

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was an awful lot of problems and it was set

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real close to the main road that came into there

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from the west, and they were had bigfoot in and

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around and stealing deer out of the fleezure. And I

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think one of the things that they had done they

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had for some reason planted peas around there in the

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garden or in the yard, and the deer came in

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and like the peas.

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The deers were eating the peas, and then they were

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actually shooting at the deer and the bigfoot. See, they

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thought the bigfoot learned that when they heard the shooting

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at the deer, that meant that they were deer and

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feeding on the pieves in the yard. And they'd come

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into the house and then into the area then and

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actually was a real small area, and it was a

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real small cabin.

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Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages.

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But I guess that they even got into the figured

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out how to get into the freezers. But I thought

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that that was really interesting. They associated the gunfire with food,

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so it wasn't chasing them away, it was actually drawing

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them in. Anyway. There was a cabin across the other

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way where they had some things. I'll tell you one thing.

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There was one night several people had the thermals and

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the one guy called on the radio one night he

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said he had a hot one. He said there was

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a big win. He said it was up this tree

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back by this other cabin that was to the south

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of where we were. And so we hawked through it

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over there, and it was hard because there was a

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lot of rough ground in this one area. We got

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over there. What we found out is that he was

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sitting back in there and he was looking up a

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power pole into a transformer, and he was picking up

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all the heat off the transformer, and he thought we

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had a big foot up a pole. So that's just

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one of the things that can happen. I'm mistaken, and

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everybody jumped to it and figured they had something up there,

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but they didn't. They were just a transformer.

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That's just a great example about you. You have people

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that are probably extremely amped up about those events you

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were talking about. That is the siege at ho Nubby

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that people had probably heard about before. That's what you

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were referring to with the big Foot trying to get

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the deer out of the refrigerators that were on the

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cabin porch. I believe is how the story goes. But

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do you remember I think there were some investigators that

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were sent to check it out, and do you remember

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what happened to the Bigfoot at the end. I don't

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know if the whole story exists in any one location.

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I guess I could.

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Yeah, I had it to be, and this Tom pouts

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will it would be as much as anything beginning of what.

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I haven't reviewed it or looked at it. I really

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don't know how how it ended up. How it is

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much later, but I think that they did drive them off.

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I think I heard on a rumor or not that

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a truck driver had seen one of the bigfoots that

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had been shot trying to make it back up the

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woods and straight south from there was a small hill

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and again they call it a mountain. But I really

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don't know, but I'll finally happened there after that. I

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suld have probably looked it up and reviewed that. It's

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just been a long time since I've read that. And

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like I said, I've been seventeen years since this all

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happened to me.

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Harold, Who were the individuals that you were with? Do

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you remember the individuals you were with when you were

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out in the woods and you saw that head bobbing

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up and down?

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Yeah, and I don't really use name one. The one

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girl that saw it. Also, she's passed away with cancer. Okay, sure,

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she was a girl from She was a girl from Indiana,

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real smart gall And then there's guy from Texas and

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he still works in the area, and he supposedly had

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a lot of sightings there. And I won't use his

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name either, because I don't want to draw any heat

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down on them. I don't use names too often. I

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don't even like to people say Okay.

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I respect that.

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Yeah, but and that really one reason is that I

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get as much information and as I get, even right

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here in Illinois, because people that I were going to

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work with before they know I'm not gonna that I

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might want to tell I'm not want to tell the story,

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but I'm not going to say who they were, are

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exactly where they were, because we don't need we don't

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need people running through their fields and the people bothered them.

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So I kind of lay away from that, and that

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maybe takes away from some of some people believe in

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some of the stories. But then that's that's too bad.

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I wouldn't have the stories at all if I didn't

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do it that way, I don't.

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Think, and I agree that's I think that's the right

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way to do it. You need to be respectful of

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people's privacy. And I've had plenty of stories where the

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person it gets out they had a big foot on

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their property and that it's reporters and reporters it's back

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in the seventies, But yeah, you have to be careful

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sometimes what info you get out. But thank you for

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talking about the siege at O Nabi and what you

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experienced after that time for a bit there, Harold, do

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you mind if we take a little of a step back,

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and we were talking before the show that you've been

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into Bigfoot for an extremely long time, and do you

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mind if we take it all the way back to

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the beginning and share what you remember from the very

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early days and then go from there.

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I was born in forty seven, so I've been around

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a long time. I hope to be around why yet,

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But before I was ten, maybe by the time I

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was ad, I can remember my dad used to bring

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home a newspaper, clippings, magazine clippings, things like that. They

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would talk about somebody somewhere all this caveman or somebody

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somewhere saw this ape or whatever. They didn't have a

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name for yet, and of course there's been stories going

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back to I think the seventeen hundreds. But he would

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bring stuff like that home, and he was a pretty

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smart guy. He worked as he didn't have a degree,

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but worked as a chemist, and he would just always

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tell me then all this, this is true. We don't

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know anything about this. This is really what it is.

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But keep an open mind, because if if, if you

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don't keep an open mind, you're never going to learn anything.

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And so I was, so I was brought up that way,

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keep an open mind. And so he would, I remember,

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if we threw out Miami triality, he would bring stuff

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home like that. And then I finally finally forgot about

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it when I got a bit older and got through

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high school and got through college, and oh, I'm not

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sure how well I was, and I finally realized that, hey,

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there's well the Internet and everything. There's a lot of

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people gathering a lot of information. And I figured I

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would just start looking and seeing what was out there.

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And I found hundreds and hundreds of books, and so

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I got back into it. Then there were when I

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was a little bit older, and like a lot of people,

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I ended up getting divorced and then I went paralyzed.

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And I recovered from that, and I started and started

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taking some trips and talking to some people and build

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up a heck of a library. And this is the thing.

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If you want to learn anything, or research anything or whatever,

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you need to read everything that's out there and find

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out what's been done and what's been done before you

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start munching around yourself, because there's no need to repeat

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everything that's been done. And I learned fight a bit,

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and then I got hooked up for a few years

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with a BFRO. I was investigator for a few years them,

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and then I started leading some of my own small

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groups and things in Illinois here and the things just

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build up from there. Let me say, but anyway, I've

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I've had my mind on whether or not this animal

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exists for a long time. And my dad passed away

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in ninety nine, and that sighting was about two thousand

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and seven, that sighting I've told you about. And I'd

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just give anything if he was still around, and I

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could go over and tell him about the things I've

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seen and the things that I know I've seen, and

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just to let him just to let him know that

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there are things out there. But I think he'd really

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enjoy he'd really enjoy finding out. And I found that

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over the years, I've had quite a few friends, and

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I was able to separate out my good friends. I

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tell them some of these stories to say I saw

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it myself, and my good friends would say that if

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you saw it, I believe it. And I taught school

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for about five six years too, And now that was

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before I started doing too much of this stuff that

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I've had ex students who they tell me the same thing,

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get in touch with me and and they said, I

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always worrying about that animal. You actually saw it. That's yeah,

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I actually saw it and I know it's there. And

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they said, and I tell them, I said, if you

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want to go out me sometime, I could take you

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if you want to go. And I said, no, if

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you say it's there, I don't really want to go.

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And a lot of people are interested that they don't

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want to go out at night and set in the

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field by themselves. And I didn't understand that I answered

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that question and not.

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Either Rich I would say, you did. We talked earlier

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that you are you consider you went to school for

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being a zoologist. I'm very curious, so your viewpoint as

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a zoologist. How does a zoologist look at the creature

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called bigfoot.

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I'd say most of them just think it's a bunch

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of malarkey. Now i've talked to them just recently from

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around the country that they're in the BFRO and there's

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a lot of people that just don't know. And if

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I hadn't seen it, I'm going to say more than once,

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I couldn't. I couldn't be with myself. But there's something

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out there doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of

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things mostly that don't make any sense about how these

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animals has lived and reproduced and there seems to be

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an awful lot of them in certain areas and just biologically,

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just things just don't make sense. But we're dealing with

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something here we don't know. We don't know what it is. Really,

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we don't know where it came from, and there's a

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lot of theories. We don't know exactly what it is.

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And there's no experts on this animal. And I know

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there's some people that think they are, but you can't

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be an expert on an animal that's not even hasn't

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been proven to exist. It's just everybody's got ideas and

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they passed the ideas around and it's just hard to

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come up with anything. So any in chart has to

458
00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:00.920
say that most of those wilds aren't going to believe

459
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:05.279
in it. And I think even eventually they come up

460
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.680
with a with a good body, no matter where they

461
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.480
find it or where they put it, They're still not

462
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.359
going to believe it. It's going to be one of

463
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:17.200
one of those things, like everything is today, you can't

464
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.440
believe anything you hear or see. It seems, but I

465
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.920
just tell myself, I saw it. I know I saw it.

466
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.079
I have to believe it. But I loved you before

467
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:28.599
I pass away. I love to figure out how it

468
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.519
does exist, and those are the things that it does.

469
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.440
I just don't know. I just don't know. It's a

470
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.200
heck of a good mystery.

471
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.319
I would wager to say it's one of one of

472
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.000
the best. And I hope before the end of my

473
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:47.440
time that there's some sort of definite answer that's finally

474
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.880
able to be Maybe there's a type specimen that's able

475
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:54.720
to be taken, or I don't know, whatever it would take.

476
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:56.599
You all, just what do you think it would take

477
00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.640
for this to finally be proven? Would it take DNA specimen?

478
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.039
It's like you said, is they take a type specimen.

479
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.119
There've been all this DNA work that different people talk about,

480
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.319
but the DNA works is not worth too much because

481
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.880
we use different samples that came from this area and

482
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:21.119
that area. This animal, not animal it's all hearsay. It's

483
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.319
all heresay. Where the samples came from. You're going to

484
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.960
have to have a type specimen. You're going to take

485
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.039
the samples off the type specimen and run them and

486
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.000
find out what it actually is. That's one of the

487
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.279
things that really drives me crazy. Just because they've run

488
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:39.559
the DNA test, If you don't know where the samples

489
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.240
came from, you haven't got anything. And I know a

490
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.039
lot of people that's going to upset a lot of

491
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.200
people too, But that's what's how it is. We've got

492
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.720
to use science, and then they need to use science

493
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.839
and scientific methods to get this thing figured out. But

494
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.440
if it even can be figured out, I don't know.

495
00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.880
It's a lot. Like I said, I've been looking into

496
00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:02.960
it a long time now, and about the best we

497
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.759
can do is hope to see it now and then.

498
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:06.839
But until we have you on, until we have a

499
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.839
type specimen of the type of animal to actually run

500
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.359
test on, it's just not gonna nothing's going to count.

501
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.279
I guess the way to put it. Sure, so you

502
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.960
know where it's coming from, it doesn't mean anything.

503
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:25.440
Harold reminded me, were you actively your relation to Bigfoot research.

504
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.039
What was it in the nineteen seventies? Was it existent

505
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:29.559
at all?

506
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.920
Not a lot of the nineteen seventies when I mentioned

507
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:39.119
the Bigfoot festival down in southern Illinois that happened fifty

508
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:43.640
fifty one years ago today, and I guess it got

509
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:47.039
a lot of it got a lot of advertisement, publication

510
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.880
around the world and stuff. But I was working as

511
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.359
a camis two miles from where I'm said today, and

512
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:58.119
all through all that I didn't even hear about it.

513
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.599
I didn't even know about at it, okay, but about

514
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.920
through the seventies and whatever. Actually, I was still teaching,

515
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:09.119
doing some things, trying to raise a family, and I

516
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:12.680
had my head a lot of other places. But I've

517
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.119
just was just taking up some things here and there.

518
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.880
And there's timing in a guy's life that he's got

519
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.920
to be raising the family and worrying about that. And

520
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.119
I guess I had where I had my head.

521
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.640
Makes sense, totally get it. So we talked earlier about

522
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.000
you've spent a lot of time researching Bigfoot in Illinois,

523
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.000
which is where you're based out of. And I've been

524
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.200
able to talk to a few people from Illinois I've

525
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.640
talked to. There's definitely some things going on northeast of

526
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.160
Peoria in the northern part of the state. There's the

527
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.400
Shawnee area down in the south part of the state,

528
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.880
and you've got a little Egypt and all that good

529
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.480
stuff down there. But what has your research been like

530
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:56.400
in the state over the years?

531
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.359
Okay, when I go, I think it's much time in

532
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:04.559
as Shawnee as I can. And basically in Illinois, if

533
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.759
you're not in the Shawnee, you're someplace where you probably

534
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.599
haven't got permission to be That's a big thing. If

535
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.279
you get out of park ground, the public ground in Illinois,

536
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.319
you just haven't got permission to be there. So I

537
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.480
spend a lot of time in the murphy Boro area

538
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.839
on that side of the state and the south about

539
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.880
as far as you can drive down through down to

540
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:34.079
Jonesborough and even further. And then I go over to

541
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:40.359
Harrisburg and south from Harrisburg, and I've got a little

542
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.920
private park down there that I use. It's Williams Hill Pass.

543
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.200
I use that a lot.

544
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:50.319
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

545
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:10.960
And always have something really strange and really something really

546
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.000
stands out every time I go down there. And sometimes

547
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.640
an awful lot of stuff happens down there. A lot

548
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.240
of stuff happens at Murphysboro. I cannot sometimes decide when

549
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.039
I have a few days where I want to go,

550
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:30.920
because both those areas are good. And the thing is

551
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:32.680
there's a lot of ground down there that you can

552
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.359
you can get on. Now. I've brought ten, fifteen, twenty

553
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.640
BFR investigators right up here to Montgomery County, to Hillsboro

554
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.440
and try to do some things up here too, But

555
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:50.160
I can't keep them off the private ground. I'll have ground,

556
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:54.200
but I have permission to use. But I don't know.

557
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.319
Maybe they're just not used to keep the people being

558
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.440
protected whether they're up their ground. You just you've got

559
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:06.119
to creet these farmers nice. They've got to lunch. Maybe

560
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.400
sometimes you got to shoot a few coyotes to get

561
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.440
permission to get on there and do anything. Except if

562
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.359
they think they've got something, they'll call you and ask

563
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.519
me to come down and look. But they're the big

564
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.079
thing is who owns the ground and do I have

565
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.720
permission to get on it? And like I say, I'm

566
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:31.720
in Hillsboro and I have a lot of sightings day's out,

567
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.559
an awful lot of them, which is funny, And do

568
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:39.599
all that go back maybe thirty five years all around

569
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.759
this town. From where I'm sitting right now, I could

570
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:45.799
go six seven miles north or south and be in

571
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.480
areas where there's been three or four sidings. I could

572
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.319
go east and west and not quite as many sightings.

573
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.000
The thing about Hillsborough here is I think that makes

574
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.839
it so good. We've got the Shoal Creek that's called

575
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:04.079
and it's three branch creek, and hill roll sets at

576
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:08.599
the top of the branches between the east branch and

577
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:14.359
the middle fork. The middle branch and then Lynchfield is

578
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.599
eight miles to the west, and there's another branch with

579
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.680
its sharper and it joins into the middle branch after

580
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.759
just maybe ten miles. The thing with me, we've got

581
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:34.200
again being it's all privately on ground, but we've got

582
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:38.160
water and lots of food, and with these three creek branches,

583
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.720
I think it's really it's just ideal for something like this.

584
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:44.200
And I guess I'm lucky that I was raised and

585
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.799
brought up here and I've still got a few living

586
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.680
relatives and I know a lot of people, and I

587
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.079
can get on this ground and people help me and

588
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:57.480
people will cooperate with me, and the people that don't

589
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:01.519
even know me know of me, and with happens. I

590
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:06.400
get telephone calls and for I don't use any computer

591
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:11.760
communication of any sort or whatever really anymore, and I

592
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.559
just don't. I just don't get involved with that. I

593
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.639
just use regular old telephones and business cards. And I'm

594
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.119
really surprised that the number of people that do get

595
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.079
a hold of me. And a lot of people, well,

596
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.800
there's two things. A lot of people I want to

597
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.480
know if they've got something going on in their property

598
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.440
and think, man, there's something scrange out here, and they

599
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.679
call me and I go out and I try to

600
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.800
look inside what I think from what I can see,

601
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.360
if they have got something that strange on their property.

602
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.800
And then there's people that don't really want you on

603
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:53.800
the property, but they've been scared of something. They say

604
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.960
something's not right in the woods, so I try to

605
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.679
help them. Then it's because maybe the biggest thing, if

606
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.400
they've seen something or had something going on, they're afraid

607
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.119
to say it, to tell anybody. I've had guys that

608
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.800
wouldn't even tell their wives that they've seen something. But

609
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.519
if they call me time, they call me they know that.

610
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.159
Like we already said, I'm not going to be giving

611
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.440
up their name or where they live, or their property

612
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:26.000
or what they've seen so they can be identified. And

613
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.039
between those two things, I think that makes a lot

614
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.840
of difference. But down southern Illinois, you've got an awful

615
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.360
lot of an awful lot of ground, but it's in

616
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.639
the Shawnee. It's botty. You have to be careful. But

617
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:45.400
that's the thing. I respect everybody's ground, everybody's property, and

618
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.119
if I'm with people, I expect them and I do

619
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:52.480
one people, I say, don't cross those senses and bother anything.

620
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.480
Take care of this place just like it you want it.

621
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.440
And if they do that, we're fine. But I have

622
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.880
hal had and people get in trouble because they just

623
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.440
don't think they have to worry about getting on anybody

624
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.079
else's property. But anyway, that's a big difference between between

625
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.199
north and south available property over the years.

626
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.960
Did you ever do any research up in Iowa? Just curious.

627
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.559
I've been to Iowa a couple of times. I had

628
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.960
a friend that I can't even think where he is now,

629
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.960
but I haven't been there for years now, and I've

630
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.400
gone up there to a couple of park areas. I'd

631
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:33.239
have to get out the map and see it and

632
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.320
into some old notes to see where I even was now.

633
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.199
But I have cast one or two prints in Iowa

634
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.960
in one of the park I remember that. But one

635
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.559
of the guys that I used to go up with,

636
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.880
he was kind of, everything's a big foot, sure, and

637
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.239
I don't. I'm my Actually the other way. There may

638
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.079
be something there, but it probably not a big foot.

639
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.280
There's a lot of animals in the woods of all

640
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.000
sizes and shape. And of course I hunt and foot

641
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.840
and a hut and ski and about any outdoor sport

642
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.599
you can do. And so I'll be seventy seven in

643
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.119
a couple of months. I felt my life doing all

644
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:16.039
that kind of stuff, tiled hunting and just about everything.

645
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:21.159
So I've been in the woods a lot and seen

646
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.239
a lot and people, a lot of people in some

647
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.599
of the bigfoot organizations. So if you're if you're a

648
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.920
hunter or you look like a hunter in the woods,

649
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.719
you're not going to see anything because you're going to

650
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.440
scare it all off. And I tell them, if you're

651
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.440
a hunter or a real outdoors money, you know what's

652
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.679
in the outdoors, and you don't jump in every single

653
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.800
thing and say it's a big foot and that's that.

654
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.920
That is a difference. And you know what you're what,

655
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.599
you're looking at, what's around. It's the things that you

656
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:59.280
don't know that you can't figure out that really spook you.

657
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.519
That thing. I watched it forty feet away from me

658
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.440
in the middle of life. That kind of spoofed me.

659
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.039
If you ever get the chance to look through your

660
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.159
notes and you happen to find where you cast those

661
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:16.760
tracks at in the wherever it was in Iowa, I'd

662
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.840
be curious to know. I'm from just outside of central

663
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.599
Iowa myself to the west, so trying to find all

664
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.480
the historical info about what's happened in the state.

665
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:32.960
But I think I was more more northern. It's marked

666
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.519
on it's at least marked on a map or something somewhere.

667
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.000
And I used to a lot of times keep a

668
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.239
notebook for almost every trip. I took like a three

669
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.239
leaf book. And that's when I was making those trips.

670
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.360
I had, I was sick, I had I went through

671
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:52.360
a period where I had bad pancreage infections, and I

672
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:56.480
had I had three times three types of cancer. Oh wow,

673
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.800
And so I've been really lucky and the knock on

674
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.800
what I need to go in for another cancer test

675
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.559
here real soon, and I hate to do it, sure

676
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:10.239
because I don't want to find anymore. But yeah, that

677
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:11.960
was I was. I remember the last time I went

678
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:16.519
to Iowa. I was sick. But I'm pretty sure I

679
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.119
know I was with north of Cedar Rapids.

680
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:21.920
Yeah, that's the really squatchy area up there.

681
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.280
Yeah, yeah, when you get up in there. I was

682
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.039
Martha there and maybe I was a little bit west

683
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.639
of there, but yeah, if I run across it, I'll

684
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.480
do that. Now. I have got one of these days

685
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:39.079
I need to get with you. I've got another story

686
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.280
that I don't talk about. It happened before this one

687
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.519
I was talking about tonight. It more or less gets

688
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:54.199
you into paranormal bigfoot sure, which being a scientist, I've

689
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.360
always tried to stay away from that. But what I've

690
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:03.039
learned is overall the years to say, you really can't

691
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.519
stay away from it. I don't pay that much attention

692
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.480
to a lot of the really strange things. But when

693
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:13.880
I was with the bf R O see BFRO has

694
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.480
a special file. If somebody mentions in their bigfoot story

695
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:24.119
get into a paranormal type things or says where they

696
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:27.360
got out of a spaceship or something weird. We've got

697
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.440
a file, but we just put them in so there's

698
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.920
there should be all saved, but it's full of really

699
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.199
weird stuff. And I gave you a name one day

700
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.199
we were talking, Carter Burchard. Did you ever get a

701
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:40.719
hold of him?

702
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.119
He's on the list of people I know. He's got

703
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.119
multiple books that are supposed to be very good reads.

704
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.440
But he is yeah to talk to yeah, and.

705
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.840
He's writing another one right now. And he started BFRO.

706
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.199
I was already with him for a while, but he

707
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.840
started with him, and he was one of the guys

708
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.719
that would come up here to Illinois and do some things.

709
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.519
And we haven't been together for a little bit, but

710
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.280
he's had so much I don't know what to call it. Paranormal.

711
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.760
I've just called for so much stuff that he's that's

712
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.320
where he started spending time. Instead of just throwing him out,

713
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.159
he tried to going more and more into this stuff,

714
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.440
and that's where all his books have pretty much come from.

715
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.039
I guess the book that he's finishing up right now,

716
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:33.760
it's basically about habituations, but the others, and actually the

717
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:37.679
others he wrote three books, but he wrote but one

718
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.960
of them that he wrote, he went back into it

719
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.239
and added a bunch of stuff. So there's a new

720
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:48.079
volume under the same book. But yeah, he lives all

721
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.880
by Kansas City, and you get ahold of get a

722
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:53.800
hold of him a tongue where he got his name,

723
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.840
and he's he does a lot of he does a

724
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.280
lot of podcasts and he's not, like you said, some

725
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.880
good books and stuff. So now I got off of

726
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.920
whatever I was talking about. Where was I?

727
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.840
It feels like a few times during the interviews so far,

728
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.440
it feels like there's something that you've experienced that you

729
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.679
want to share, but you're very I don't know if

730
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:19.840
I want to share it, but it feels like you

731
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:21.039
want to share something.

732
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.719
That other story that I just mentioned that happened down

733
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.519
in Mina, Arkansas, and ten days before that one I

734
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:31.480
talked about. But I don't know how long it would

735
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.039
really take for me to tell that story. I've only

736
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:40.440
really told it once, and it's at least it'll be

737
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.559
seventeen years ago too. You have only told it once

738
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.360
and I put it you say you found this story

739
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.760
on Facebook. It's on Facebook also, and I told it

740
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:56.760
even a couple of my friends. I said, I'm having

741
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.880
trouble leaving that story. I said, that's why I never

742
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.039
told you anybody were all these years because strange. And

743
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.440
I don't know if you want to do it another time.

744
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.800
Or it's up to you. But I do have the

745
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.360
time now and it might be one of the things

746
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.880
where we're both on the same call now and if

747
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.599
you've got a few minutes, but up to you. I

748
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.239
want to respect your time, of course.

749
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.719
Yeah, I don't even know what time is. It's nine thirty,

750
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:24.360
is it okay?

751
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:25.159
About nine thirty?

752
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.559
And you usually run the ten, don't you.

753
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.679
Give or take? But I would love to be able

754
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.599
to have you share your story. If you're cool with that.

755
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.800
Yeah, let's try it. Like I said, it's even with

756
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.599
some of my friends. It may just have trouble with it.

757
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.960
But we're getting into the paranormal stuff here.

758
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.760
Yeah, no judgment here, Harold. So you feel with telling it?

759
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.199
Yeah? Yeah, I love like a couple of big too,

760
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:56.119
a guy making fun of flying saucers or anything. Nothing

761
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.000
worse and big for a guy making fun of each other.

762
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:03.079
This was I think it was of Mina and of

763
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.480
course act just the hopskiff and a jump from where

764
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.519
I was in Oklahoma. I started out at Mina, me

765
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.280
and some other people and the stranger's dog. One deal.

766
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:18.559
Didn't really have any plan or whatever. But one of

767
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.360
the guys were in Walmart and most of us were

768
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:23.960
just sitting in the parking lot. And one of the

769
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.199
guys went in to get something in Walmart at Mina

770
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:31.320
and ran into this gal there was talking Bigfoot. So

771
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.559
we got hooked up with her. And she had a

772
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:39.159
little bitty place down I think it had to be south,

773
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.639
tucked back in there at the base of the mountain,

774
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.599
and she said she even had there was an old

775
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:49.039
school bus in the woods, and the Bigfoot a lot

776
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.280
of the time stayed in the school bus for show

777
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:53.000
in the winter.

778
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.000
That's okay, big for SOCIETYHO would be right back after

779
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:57.760
these messages.

780
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.159
Anyway, This one night, men and a guy from Kentucky

781
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:24.679
and a woman from north then northwest of Kansas City.

782
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.920
He had a van, and we're all old. They're both

783
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:33.039
older than me. I was about sixty then, and we

784
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:37.039
went down by her place back in the woods, and

785
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:41.519
this was the darkest place I think I ever saw,

786
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.000
or whatever was at and maybe it wasn't that dark,

787
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:48.519
it was close to it. This place was dark. So

788
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.880
we went down the road, passed her place, and we

789
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.880
pulled off and took the van, took it back in

790
00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:00.199
a little bit, and then me and other the older guy,

791
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.119
we got out, and she says, I don't really feel

792
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.280
good about getting out here. I think, oh, lock the

793
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.159
doors of the van here, and I'll stay in the

794
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.320
van and wait for you guys. And so that's what

795
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.360
we did, me and him. We walked back down the

796
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.719
road the direction we'd come from, somewhere between that a

797
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:19.760
quarter and a half. We went too far down, but

798
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:24.960
we walked down and we were in this gavel inviters down.

799
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.719
We were in her driveway and the man, it was dark,

800
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:34.440
and we weren't there too long, and this horrendous stream

801
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:39.719
come from the mountains just off the road to our belbow.

802
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:42.320
It would have still been to our south, and it

803
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.679
wasn't too far away, but it was so loud and

804
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.800
so scary. I've still never heard anything like it in

805
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.400
the woods or whatever. This was an awful screen. We

806
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.639
both we backed up maybe twenty feet into her driveway

807
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.519
to get away. Because you seen boy something was going

808
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.480
to pop out of the woods and it was going

809
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.920
to be awful. So we stood there as long as

810
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.079
we could. And I'm looking down the road back towards

811
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.039
the van and I can I'm far and afway, I

812
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.599
can't see the van, and it's dark. I see this great,

813
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.119
big white thing across the ditch, come out of the

814
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.719
woods on the mountain side. And he gets in the

815
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:22.320
road and he starts walking towards us. Like I said,

816
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:26.000
we're a little bit back off of it, though, And

817
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.320
I tell this this other friend mine uses. His name

818
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.199
was war. I don't even know. I don't think he's

819
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.719
alive anymore. I said, hey, that's going to almost run

820
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:37.039
into us. It's coming straight at us. And he says,

821
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.960
what I said. It's big and white and it looks

822
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.679
like a big foot to me. And he says, I

823
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:48.000
don't see nothing. He said, you're imagining. And I said, arty,

824
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.239
it's coming right at us. And this was scary from

825
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.639
my point of view. I'm watching this and what do

826
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.159
we do? So we backed up a little bit more

827
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.480
and before it got to us. I'm in a way

828
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.480
about this thing coming at us. Before it got to us,

829
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:08.840
it turned jumped back across the ditch and started walking

830
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:12.039
up the mountain and I say, oh man, and he

831
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.800
still didn't see it. He finally convinced me that I

832
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.719
was half crazy and that there was nothing there. But

833
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.360
back then I still had pretty good eyesight and pretty

834
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.599
good hearing, and he was. He was blinding so bad,

835
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:30.679
and death too, So I don't know. Anyway, we stayed

836
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.239
down there quite a while, and we finally walked back

837
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:38.840
to the van, and every where really gets crazy. I

838
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.880
was excited about seeing this thing, and I tell the

839
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.760
gualve been sitting in this van, start to tell her

840
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.800
about what I saw, and she jumps in. She says,

841
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.119
I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you what I saw.

842
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.840
He said. I'm sitting here in the van, in the

843
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:01.199
back seat, and all of a sudden, its white bigfoot

844
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:06.480
materialized or appeared, setting in the front seat. It was

845
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.599
setting there, and I said, look out the window, and

846
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.679
there was a little bitty one and it's white also,

847
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.559
and it's running around outside of the vans. And here's

848
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.679
where you think about the whole thing. It really gets funny.

849
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.039
I hadn't told her my story about I saw a

850
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.039
white one down there. I saw big white one too. Anyway,

851
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.840
we started making fun of her, but he made foot

852
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.079
guys making fun of each other, and she got upset,

853
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.280
really got upset, and we quit and I forgot about it.

854
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.440
This guy was good, and she's straight. She wasn't drinking,

855
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.400
she wasn't on drugs. But she saw this thing materialized

856
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.400
right in front of her and sat there for a while,

857
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.360
kind of looked at her, and then it just disappeared.

858
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.639
And I wasn't making fun of her, wasn't really heavy

859
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.480
about it. And so she's a real nice gal and

860
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.719
I like her, and we were actually sitting there making

861
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.199
fun of each other and what we saw. And then

862
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:10.000
there was a couple other guys around and they heard

863
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:12.000
about what I saw this and that the other night,

864
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.360
and I did, and I denied it. I didn't rest

865
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.880
of the time I was around anybody. I said, now,

866
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.480
if I had seen that, I just well, Walt says,

867
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.199
I'm just seeing something else. And these guys I was

868
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:25.960
telling them this too. They said, if you say you

869
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.400
saw something, and Walt said, you didn't, we'll leave you

870
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.320
for the big walk because we think you could have. Well,

871
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:33.159
like I said, I was still a little bit younger,

872
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:37.159
still could see and still could hear anyway. Bluffed at that,

873
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.880
and I just more or less denied it. It was

874
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:44.199
probably a couple of months before I was setting down

875
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:48.159
one day and I just happened to think I saw

876
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.639
why when coming down the road she saw why wouldn't

877
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.079
materialize in the van. I wonder what's going on here?

878
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.519
And like I said, I thought about it. It was

879
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.800
sixteen seventeen years I thought about it, and it's one

880
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:06.599
of those twenty five stories that I put on Facebook.

881
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.039
And it's just when I just I just forget about

882
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.559
it because Walt told me I didn't see anything, and

883
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:17.000
I don't know. I don't know the fact that what

884
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.679
she saw was white and what I was seeing was white.

885
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:22.559
Now I did not see a small and a baby

886
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.239
or whatever, kydler or whatever you want to call it,

887
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.639
But I don't know. Never mind, that's got to be

888
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.000
one of the weirdest bigfoot stories you ever heard.

889
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.199
It's up there, Harold, and it's awesome. So the way

890
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:38.960
I think that is, I have my personally, but we

891
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.840
haven't proven what it can do or what exactly it

892
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:47.480
is yet. And end of the day, your friend saw

893
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.719
a white bigfoot materialize inside that vehicle and that's wild

894
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.119
and I don't know how you can explain that away, right.

895
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.519
No, she's not like I said, She's not crazy at

896
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.519
all or anything. And I haven't seen her for quite

897
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.360
a while. Far as I know, she's still alive. See

898
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.599
she does put some stuff on Facebook now and then

899
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:11.559
see why I don't talk about it. Sure you know

900
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:15.960
too much. It's but that's an example of three big

901
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.800
foot people making fun each other, which is funny in

902
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:19.199
as well.

903
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.719
But sure, is this something where you're and I know

904
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:26.800
you said it's south of Mina, Arkansas, just because it's

905
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:31.199
interesting when listeners hear something and then maybe someone else

906
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:35.840
has experienced something to do with the white Bigfoot materializing

907
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.199
in that same area. Are there any other things you

908
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:41.400
can say about the mountain or do we have to

909
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:44.159
keep it very vague as to its somewhere self?

910
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.199
That's one of those things. I would have to sure

911
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.719
do some research on it too. I hear you to

912
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.960
find exactly she's not too far off one of the

913
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.519
main highway down there, and I think you's south Amina,

914
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.000
I'm pretty sure that. But I talked to her. She

915
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:03.199
had a son, to a teenage son, and I talked

916
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:05.800
to him about what was going on with her with

917
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.280
the bigfoot that she said stayed in the school bus

918
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:11.639
and he says, yeah, they do. And he says, I

919
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.760
guess they'd also been feeding them and they would come

920
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.119
along and they hit the house and hard methods that

921
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.360
would knock stuff off the walls and things one food

922
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.079
and so she's had a problem around there. But most

923
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.280
of the people out with were associated with with the

924
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:32.679
BFR BFRO, and she hated the BFRO. And that's it

925
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.519
was just a strange deal that we that she ended

926
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:39.079
up inviting us over there to take a look. I

927
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.559
guess that's when you get people that will listen to

928
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:43.840
you and believe you. It doesn't make a lot of difference.

929
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:48.519
That's one of the neatest things we do is as investigators,

930
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.280
do everything we can to believe people. Now, those are

931
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:58.000
the two best stories I've got and and like I said,

932
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.719
that last one I just haven't told heck the lost

933
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:03.360
Maybe I can figure out where that is so I

934
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.719
could come real close. I'm not sure what they call

935
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:09.039
those mountains, if those are the I was thinking of

936
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:13.000
White mountains, but I don't know. But yeah, that story there.

937
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.719
I so it tookly fifteen years to even think about

938
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:18.719
tell at all, and it didn't lose me any friends

939
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.679
or whatever, but they maybe shut their brief in me

940
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.599
a little bit. But anyway, that's some kind of junk

941
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.280
that my friend Carter is in two of those first

942
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.400
three books, some things, and he comes over here. There

943
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.679
are some spots down around Jonesboro and the Trailer Tears

944
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.599
Park that that we've hit a few times. And there's

945
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.239
there's one spot down there south for the Trailer Teers

946
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.000
Park area, and the locals down there say they won't

947
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.280
go into it after dark, and we haven't been into

948
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.400
it too much, but when we've been in if there's

949
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:56.639
something strange happening there. But again, you don't know. I

950
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:00.559
didn't used to be afraid going into to the woods

951
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:03.199
or by myself, and that's usually how I do. I

952
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.719
go by myself and in the dark. I didn't used

953
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.199
to be but I've seen some things over the last

954
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:13.639
few years, and I really is someplace I really don't

955
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.239
want to I don't feel good about going into, like

956
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.679
I said, basically, by myself. I don't know that David

957
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:23.119
Bledis is books, for one one make you think once

958
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:26.320
in a while, and I imagine you've probably read them, right.

959
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.800
Oh, yeah, you definitely want to be cautious and aware,

960
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:33.599
especially if you're going in the woods by yourself and

961
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.079
let people know where you're going and all that good

962
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.159
stuff that you know. But it sounds like you saw

963
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.880
some weird stuff and that that made you think twice

964
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:43.360
about going into the woods.

965
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:47.360
That sometimes, Yeah, And I've had that even around here.

966
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.320
Some spots that I've been to an awful lot. One

967
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.960
of them Gift, a few miles from here. I went

968
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:56.119
down one night and I couldn't make myself get out

969
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:59.039
of the car. I couldn't get out at all, and

970
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:00.880
I said in the car or they were probably twenty

971
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.480
minutes and I finally left, and it spook me that

972
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.480
was it just all in my mind? Or was there's

973
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:10.920
something telling me not to get out? And I've been

974
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:14.199
down to the same spot And the one time I

975
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.199
remember and got out of my car and did a

976
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:18.519
wooden knock and got a wood knock. I'm on an

977
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.199
old road that end of that dead end, I had

978
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.400
a bridge that's been torn out, and I got out

979
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.159
of my car, did some wood knocks and got answers

980
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.440
right there almost in top of me. And I waited

981
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.400
awhile and did some more knocks, and I got more answers,

982
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.960
maybe two or three times further away, and I said, wow.

983
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.760
And I'm down here by myself, so I don't know.

984
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:44.239
Like I said, I didn't used to be afraid at all.

985
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.239
My dad was. He was, of course, a World War

986
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.679
Two veteran, and I didn't dare tell him if I

987
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.320
got scared in the woods or at dark walking home

988
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:56.320
or whatever, because he let me know is there's nothing

989
00:56:56.320 --> 00:57:01.679
in that woods that can hurt you. And he was wrong. Yeah,

990
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:05.280
but yeah he is something else. What else you got.

991
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:10.239
For me, Harold, It's been a fantastic conversation, and I

992
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:12.119
just want to I just want to thank you for

993
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.400
coming on sharing your stories. I know some of them

994
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.760
you haven't really shared before, and I appreciate you being

995
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:22.400
able to share them. I hope that someday you're able

996
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.159
to get your book written. I'd love to get a

997
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.119
copy of it, and I'm sure my listeners would as well.

998
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.679
But it's just been a great time chatting with you, Harold.

999
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:32.280
That's good. That's good.

1000
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:34.719
Just want to take a few minutes to say thank

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you to you Allmad listeners for listening to the podcast.

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Here's the list. Number one encounters from Franklin County, Texas.

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Those that have had a Bigfoot encounter in the southern

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individuals that have had bigfoot try to enter their house

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forcibly while they were living inside. Number nine individuals that

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actively have a bigfoot living on their property. And lastly,

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any sightings that are in the watchitat National Forest Area

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