The Thing That Watched Us From the Woods: Debra’s Red River Encounter | Pt. 1

0:02 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's story doesn't come from a camper or a weekend hiker. It's from a mother, a quiet woman living on a ranch in North Texas, just miles from the Red River. But something else lives there too, Creatures that mimic voices, something that pulled the heads off of her goats, and something that knew exactly which roosters she didn't want and killed only them. This is in folklore. It's not secondhand. It's a first hand account from someone who's seen the unexplainable over and over again. This is the story of Deborah and what's been watching her from the woods. So stay with us. All I pick for Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Deborah today. Devra's an individual that is a listener of the show and reached out to me about some interesting things that her family has experienced over the years. So thankfully she was able to come on the show and share those and welcome to the program, Deborah, Thank.

0:54 You, Jeremiah, thanks for having me on. Absolutely you know this is going to be an episode where it goes over multiple states, multiple years, so I want to make sure that you have the time to share what you've come prepared to share today. So I'm going to go ahead and pass things over to you. Feel free to take us back as far back as we need to go when all this started happening for you and your family. Okay, I'll start with kind of telling a little bit about myself. I'm my name is Deborah, and I live in North Texas, and I live with my two sons, and we live on a large parcel of land in North Texas, and it's kind of not very far from the Red River. So to the west of US we have Thackerville, Oklahoma, and then to the east of US, we have Lake Texoma. So you can imagine there's a lot of things going on being between those two real hot spots. I guess you could say, but I tried to write down as many experiences between me and my family and some family friends over multiple states, and I just wanted to make sure to share everything.

2:20 That's why it took me. A little longer to be ready, because I wanted to make sure that I didn't leave any of these out. So I will go ahead and start with my own experiences and how I got involved with this subject and then then I will say the family and friends, probably for the end. But okay, So when I was a small girl, my sister who is about seventeen years older than me, and she was kind of like a mother to me. She had a big foot book and I kind of vaguely remember it looking like one of the covers of one of John Green's books, but I'm not I'm not really sure, but that's kind of what it makes me think of. So I really didn't think much about it. And you know, I don't know how much time passed, but I was in elementary school at the time, and I probably was in about the second or third grade.

3:20 But there was a family that moved into our school district from Missouri and they had a whole lot of girls, and one of the girls was in my class, and she sat in front of me, and I vaguely remember her name being Laura, but it's kind of been so long I kind of, you know, kind of may be wrong about that, but anyway, so she and I, she sat in front of me, so she and I were chatting, and she told me that they moved to Texas from Missouri with her family because of momo, and I had no idea what a momo was, so I asked her, what's a MoMA? She so, she tells me it was a big hairy monster, and that she said it started coming in to their area, and that one day while they were at school in their class, momo had walked across the lawn of the school carrying a dog under its arm.

4:17 And so it kind of. Reminded me of the book that my sister had because I couldn't as a little kid, I really couldn't put it all in perspective. So anyway, apparently it was frightening enough for that family that they moved all the way to Texas. So anyway, that was kind of my first experience. But there were other things that happened, like when I was married, probably around nineteen ninety, I lived in East Texas with my husband and my two sons and. In a little city called Wolf City. And so my husband, you did about two hours to Dallas every day, so the kids and I would be out in the country kind of all by ourself. And you know, it's just I never liked living there and I was never felt I never really felt safe there.

5:13 But one day my husband was at work, and the kids and I drove into town Commerce, Texas to get groceries and where I had a lot of my family living. And when we got back, something or someone had rounded up our little mamma cat and all of her babies and they drowned them all in the you know those metal what do you call those the cattle waters, because we had a lot of cows on our land, so something had gathered up our cats and drowned them all. So, you know, I was just like really shocked, and I didn't know who or what would do such a thing.

5:55 And so that was kind of strange enough. But then another happened. At that house. I had fourteen Nubian goats, and I had one of those was like a real stout, tough little buck, you know, the mail goat. And I had four nannies and all the rest of them were babies. And I would get up and I would go out and I would milk the nannies every morning and then again every night. And so one morning. I got up and I went out with my little my little milking bucket. And the if you walk around behind the barn, there's like a gate and a long fence to get into the pasture where the back of the barn door was. So I when I came around the corner to the back of the to the back of the.

6:44 Barn, I notice the barn door was open. And that really. Surprised me because I would have expected to see all my goats, you know, kind of out in the pasture. If the door's open, why wouldn't they go out and eat grass and stuff? Right, So anyway, so I went inside the gate and shut it and walked in, and I saw the most horrific, horrific sight. And something came into the barn and ripped the heads and all the legs and arms off of my boats, every last one of them, even that, even that the buck, you know, and so they pot whoever did it, something with very strong hands, and you know, it had to have been very strong to be able to pull the heads off of that buck. That's all I can think of. And those nannies, because that's not human strength that's able to do that. But anyway, when I found them, they were there was a big pile of body parts all against one wall of the barn, and so I was so upset and couldn't believe what I saw. I just went running out of there because it was just it was just so disturbing and it scared me. So, yeah, humans can't rip the heads off goats, and I don't know of any human that could just rip any arms or legs off of a goat much less I had, you know, and pull the head off of the body that I

8:14 you know, I keep having this picture in my mind of something chasing them all around inside there, you know, until it caught every one of them, And anyway, maybe there was more than one, but I really feel like that was a bigfoot kind of thing. And so anyway, that brings me up to where I'm living now here in North Texas. That was pretty much all of that, and that happened at that particular house. So so my son purchased like this large parcel of land and he built this home and we all kind of moved in and we're all kind of like ranch hands and we're all kind of taking care of everything. And so before where we built the house, we had we had, like while they were getting the ground ready and the pad ready to build the house and port concrete and do all the framing and all that kind of stuff, we had already built a chicken coop, and we already had all of our chickens. My son and I would drive in from the city. It was about an hour away, but we would drive in from the city and we would you know, bring up our table scraps and all of our feed.

9:28 And we would just feed them when when we got here. And so one day he and my younger son and I we were standing in the chicken in the chicken run where they get out and run around, and we were standing there and we were discussed. I had bought a straight run of baby chicks, so they weren't sext so we didn't know which ones were you know, we didn't know how many hens we'd have or how many roosters we would have out of the batch. So anyway, so we ended up probably with about half and half. So we had probably about a dozen roosters that we you know, we had fed them and raised them and from chicks, and so we didn't know if we were gonna you know, harvest them or sell them, or you know, what to do with them. So we were picking out which ones we wanted to keep and which ones we wanted to get rid of that we didn't want, and all of a sudden, something out of the woods with this it's kind of like a male voice, but it was like a very deep, heavy, heavy male voice, and it yelled, get it, get it out of the out of the forest. And I looked at my son, who was mid sentence, and he looks at me. I said, did you just hear that? And he goes, of course, I just heard that. I said, well, what did you hear?

10:52 And he said, I heard something out in the woods yelling get it, get it. And I said, yes, that's whatever too. Only the weird thing about it, Jeremiah, is it sounded like something imitating a bird, and it wasn't really a bird. It was something imitating a bird. And so let. Me check my notes, because I. Have a I didn't want to leave anything else. So anyway, so the next day my son, I had something I had to do in town. So my son said, no, no problem, I'll go by myself. And so he came up to the ranch and was going to feed the chickens on his own.

11:39 And the next thing you. Know, he calls me up on the phone and he says, Mom, you remember we were talking about those roosters yesterday, the ones we wanted to keep, and the ones we wanted to get rid of. And I said, yeah, why and he said, because the ones we said we didn't want, He said, they're all dead. He said, they all have their next broke. He said, none of them have been eaten, he said, But he said, but the ones that we said we wanted, he said, they're all still alive. And he goes, He goes, Mom, I'm really freaked out. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm freaked out too. And so whatever, we figured that whatever was in the forest was intelligent. It knew what we were saying. It paid attention to every decision we made about roosters, and I really it was just such a it was just such a bizarre, disturbing thing. We didn't really know what to make of it, and we we weren't thinking Bigfoot at that time, you know. So there was another time that so that was kind of the last of what happened with that.

12:52 We didn't have any more. Episodes with anything killing our chickens are except for just like you know, ol and hawks and things like that. But so there was another time that I was on the side by side and I was just finishing up my feeding, and I was about to crank up the side by side when I saw something kind of move like over to the right where up from where I was parked, and I looked over and I saw some kind of being I'll call it a being, and it was sitting next to an oak tree, and it was sitting on its butt, but it had its arms like straight out in front of it like a cat would sit, kind of like the way a cat would perch like it sits on And I don't know, I guess dogs do that too, but the faith on this thing, it looked like the only thing I can think of is like one of those mandrel looking apes. And it had like the front of its face was like black or really dark brown or black down the nose, but the cheeks were kind of like a beige, not really tanned, but more of like a.

14:03 Beige color on the cheeks. And I absolutely froze and I jerked my head back over to the left, and I was I closed my eyes and I was like, oh, my gosh, is that what I saw? Is that what I saw? And people and people always say, you know, you don't you don't look at them, you don't look them in the eyes and stuff. That's what I've heard over the yours. I don't know if it's true or not, but I made this. I took my thumb and my finger. I don't know why I did this, but I was like thinking that if I put my thumb and my finger together, I could make like a little a little peep hole basically. And so I looked back over there and it was still sitting there, and I got a good look at it, and I was just like froze, and I it just like this thing. It just felt like it was just like looking into my soul, and I was I was absolutely petrified. So I decided to try to crank up the side by side and get back to the house.

15:05 I really expected this thing. To start following me and chasing me, and it was only fifty foot away. I got a really good look at it, so I just felt like, you know, I just felt like pray was sitting there so or like an intimidated little child, you know, something is making you frightened and you start to squirm and all of that kind of stuff. So anyway, that was truly a laugh flash before my eyes moment. I've never felt anything like that all of my other encounters have been a little bit more of a distance, but this one, this one has absolutely been the worst. Well there's another one that's kind of similar, but I'll tell you about that one in a minute.

15:53 Big for Society will be right back after these messages. Sorry, real quick, while we're here, I want to clarify. So is this also in the Thackerville Red River area? Yes, on our ranch. That's uh, we're about about fifteen minutes from Backerville, as the crow flies gotcha. And this happened how long ago? Approximately?

16:34 It was probably about three years ago. Oh wow, okay, all right, thank you. Some of these I mean, this stuff seems to happen like it like really rams up in the spring on this piece of property for whatever reason. I've talked to the sheriff about it. I've talked to his what their their neighbors by the way, and I've talked to them about it, and they said that, you know, a lot of people have been reporting a lot of strange similar things, so it's not just us. So anyway, so this thing looked to be about while it was sitting down, it still looked it was, and it was skinny. It didn't you know, you wouldn't think that it would be skinny.

17:20 I mean, all of these creatures people always report looking like really you know, big and buff and luscily, and this thing wasn't. It was skinny. It it was. About three sitting down. It looked to be about three and a half to four foot pall. I know, that's that's. Still big for something that's sitting down and not standing up on its hind legs, but it's it to me from fifty foot away, that was my best guess that it was probably three and a half. I'm going to go with three and a half on the on the sitting, but it, like I said, it was just really skinny.

18:03 And I I don't know if it hadn't been eating or you know, if it was sick. I don't know why, but it was just really skinny. So anyway, that's that's that one. And then I had another experience, uh where I was in my garden appear closer to the house, but we're you know, we're very very heavily wooded here. And I was in the garden and I was digging holes and I was planning tomatoes, and suddenly I start hearing lips smacking, and I was like, what is that? And so, you know, I'm on my knees and I'm digging holes and platten tomatoes. So I get up and I stand up and I start looking around and I'm the only one out there, and I was like, what am I hearing?

18:48 Lips smacking? I mean it was it was loud, and it was it was something, you know, the sound up, so you know, I was like, well, maybe it's my imagination. So I, you know, I get back down on the ground and I start digging holes again, and I start planting tomatoes again. And a couple of minutes later, I hear lips smacking again, and I was like, what's the wreck? So I got up and I started looking in the direction that I thought it came from, and I could see something short, kind of three or four foot tall in the distance on the right side of an oak tree. So I got my camera out and I was like, I can't see that far and I don't know what it is.

19:30 So I think I sent you the video of where I actually recorded it, because I was just trying to zoom in to see what it is I was seeing. And I think there's a still shot of it too, But so I zoomed in and I saw this thing sitting or standing next to a tree. I don't know if it was standing or sitting. I could only see like the top part of it, but it looked it looked three or four foot tall as well. Could have been the same thing. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it could. Have been the same thing or anyway, it's probably different. But anyway, did you have something with Sorry? Was that the one? I think it may have been a picture? Says Creature in your garden.

20:15 Yes, and it kind of is looking like you're looking at the right profile side of its face. Yeah, it looks like something there that's wild. Yeah. Yeah, some people say it looks like a white bear. And and I have a friend, I have some friends in Georgia who are who I've known for years, and they seem to think that it was a dog man. But that doesn't look like the average dog man in my mind. So I still don't know. And if you want to, you want to give your opinion on what you think it looks like, that'd be great. So, yeah, I don't want to rab a trail to too much. I'm going to really try not to the area that you're in. Backerville.

21:06 Red River. Is absolutely wild. There's a lot of activity in there, a ton of it regarding Bigfoot and dog man, So it could I'm thinking the way it looks like, I'm thinking more like Bigfoot, but like it could easily be either. Have you heard of an area near you called Purgatory? No, okay, I'm kind of midway between Backerville and Lake Texoma, and you know there's a lot of stuff that goes on Alma. Yeah, absolutely, I mean Lake tex Olma. There's some I mean everything from Bigfoot to dog man, to pale crawlers to a lot of weird stuff. But if you're over by Thackerville and red River, on the west side of the Red River and so between the main highway in the Red River, there's an area called Purgatory there and it has some really really aggressive probably the most aggressive I've ever heard bigfoot encounters. Like, if you start looking up big Foot in Purgatory in Oklahoma, it's going to blow your mind. But also in that w M a north of you, guys, uh, there have been tigers reported because you know, you've got a few big cat rescues where they've let the cats go, So they're actually tigers that are seen in that area as well. Allegedly we throw that in there.

22:30 That would be like that would be like right near there. They could like come right down the river and come right up the other side and be right in. Texas, yes, ma'am. Yeah, wow, So for all of that, right, Yeah, So I mean anything you say, I'm saying, yeah, it's it's absolutely bonkers. So there you go. Okay. So you know, even before we had anything here at all, we used to come up and kind of work on the land. Like my sons would work on They. Would have their excavators and their skid steers and stuff, and they'd be tearing out trees and making the you know, getting everything ready. And sometimes I would come up here by myself, like I would have to I would have to meet a contractor or something while my sons were.

23:20 At work, and I would be like walking along. I would be growled at, I would be whooped at. I would I have been screamed at. I mean, all kinds of stuff has happened to me here on this land, and and so it's just nerve wracking too. It's like I'll tell you later about all of these things happening. It's like I used to have to go down and feed the chickens and stuff, and it's it's probably about a thousand foot down a dirt road from that my son put in from the house. And so that's that's why I have a friend in England, and he he's always he's was my business partner for for quite a number of years. But we he he is such a good guard. He always goes with me down there to feed and so I because I it's just so nerve wracking to go down there by myself after the things that I've seen.

24:29 So and I'll touch on those those will be coming up. I'm sorry. I have nine pages of notes that I that I wrote for this for this call because I didn't want to leave anything out. So, okay, you're getting all of it. Everything I've ever ever experienced, everything anybody in my family has ever experienced, my son's you name it, okay, So all right, So the next one, okay, So I told you that one. And and there was another time my son when we were up here clearing trees and my son was in the excavator and I was sitting in what do you call that in the side by side, and I was just like watching him work, because I just like watching them tear out trees and stuff. And so we're sitting there and all of a sudden we get screamed at, and my son, he's in the excavator, and he stops and he just looks at me and climbs down and says, he said, did you hear that?

25:35 And I said, I sure did, And he said, you better get us back up to the house. He said, I'm not gonna do anymore with whatever that is out there screaming. So something was you could tell it. I mean, the whole time I was sitting there, I felt like I was being watched. You know how you get those little you feel like the eyes are burning on the back of your neck or your head, and you just feel like, you know, you get that really uneasy feeling. So anyway, he jumped in the side by side and I drove us back up to the house, and you know, he didn't want to go back out there for a little bit, and neither did I. But I kind of had no choice because I had all those chickens and stuff to feed, and I I raised I have I have raised pigs here too myself. So anyway, okay, So the next thing that.

26:23 Happened was. So uh, I sent you a video of a thing that happened with this. I think it was like a three hundred foot roll of twine that I got at home depot to trail. Us up my tomatoes. And so I was working doing that, and I got up the next morning. I was trying My son didn't have time to help me, and I was going to try to do it myself. And you know, everybody's busy with their own projects. So I was trying to trying to do it myself and didn't do very good at it, trust me. So I went out there and walked to the very back of the garden where that box was, and the box was gone, but I'm like looking around for the box, and I looked down and I noticed that it had been unwound, and it's like something was walking through the garden and it was this pulling this twine out and walked all the way out of the garden, and I mean it went down the garden is fifty foot long, and then it walked probably another fifty sixty feet past the garden or out of the garden, and then it cut a shark left and then it went off into the forest. And so I made that video because I thought that was just the strangest thing. And I went to the house and I got my younger son and I was like, could you come out here

27:55 and let me show you something real quick. So I showed it to him, and he's like, where's it going? I said, it goes off out there into the forest, and he goes. I said, it's just too heavy in there, and there's a lot of briers. And stuff, and I said, I just don't want to go in after. It, and so he goes, Okay, well, i'll guess I'll go in and get it for you. So he goes in there and he finds that it goes. Up over some tall limbs in the trees, and then it comes back down and it goes over some it goes over some low trees, tree limbs, and then under that and then up again, and then it goes like I think a final like it started weaving around some trees.

28:38 And my son brings it all to me back and he goes, you're not going to believe this, and I said, what what happened? He goes, it goes up over some limbs and down under some limbs, and he said, then it weaves around some tree. So anyway, he went in and got it, and it was just like he's like, I don't, I don't know what does that. I said, I don't either, And I said, you know, a raccoon or a maybe a coyodee or something picked the box up and took it out of there. I said, but that wouldn't explain why I have all of these four foot tall trellises, like I had some sitting there for cucumbers, And so the twine goes up over these, over like two or three of these four foot trellises that where I had cucumbers growing, and then it goes out into the things. So that to me kind of tells me that something with hands did that, and it put it up over those trellises and took it out into the forest.

29:41 You know. So that was another another strange thing that happened here that we just really couldn't explain. And uh so, yeah, it takes hands to unwind all that, because if I had it, I would I would have to be pulling it out of the box and unraveling it, you know. And another thing is that. Let's see, so I told you that one. Okay, yeah, you know, I really think that maybe and I feel like we're watched here all the time, like something is observing us all the time, and I feel like maybe juveniles are missing with me.

30:22 And I'll tell you more about that later Big. For Society will be right back after these messages. And because I actually and I'll go, I can go ahead and tell you this now. But my sons were like, they've been clearing trees. They've had to go. We had to get new fences on this property. So they went around and they had to tear out all the trees and the fence rolls all the way around the property so that we could hire people to come out and put in fence, you know, for the cattle.

31:05 And so. I walked all the way up to there's this great, big, huge heel and so I didn't even take my phone. I was just going to go up and see what the guys were doing and see what they wanted for lunch or something. But I walked up there and they had moved to another area, so they weren't where I thought they were. So anyway, I started to come back down the hill, and when I turned the corner, I just looked over and I saw this little monkey looking like they had tore out a bunch of trees, and they all had limbs on them, so they they were like not laying flat like you if you had just logs.

31:48 So these things were all kind of kind of just piled up in this great, big old brush pile. The whole tree with all. The limbs and everything on it just torn out by the excavator. So I look over and I see what looks like the neck and the shoulder of this monkey. I'm just gonna call it a monkey because I don't know Hillstick College, but it was like kind of moving back and forth around in there, and it was over to my right, and I looked over at it, and the first thing I said was please don't chase me. Please don't chase me, because it scared me so bad. I was just like, what in the heck is that? Because I know we don't have monkeys here in North Texas.

32:30 So you know, I'm looking at this thing and I was just talking to it. I saw it, and I just kept walking and I was just like, oh, please, God, don't let this thing follow me. Please, don't let this thing fakes me. But I could see it's arm and its shoulder and its neck moving around in there. And it had kind of a kind of a light gray kind of skin, but it had a dark it had like dark hair, if that makes any sense. It was kind of like a slate, grainy looking skin. Yeah, dark hair. Could you get a feel for how big it was at all?

33:11 I would guess it's it was probably about maybe three foot tall. Weird, really weird. It wasn't that. It really wasn't that big. And that's why I'm and I'll go ahead since we're going ahead and talking about that another time, and it's not in the chronological order. That I have my notes in, but I just want to add that I U. I drag a water hose all around because I've planted an orchard, and it's my orchard is kind of like all around the house. Of all of the fruit trees and everything. So one day I went outside and I was dragging the water hose up and I was gonna, you know, start watering all the trees. And I kind of looked down and I saw these little kid foot prince barefoot footprints.

34:03 And so I was like what the heck? And then I kept walking and then I turned around and I noticed, and do you see the pictures of the rocks? Absolutely that same day, those those three or four pictures of rocks, those were like right behind my son's truck. Something. It was like, and I thought, I thought we had a feral kid, like some kind of little faral kid out in the woods or something. You know. It's you can see where something was walking around, and then you can see where it sat down and played with rocks like a little kid does. And my first thought was a feral kid. So that's those and so that's that's part of that story or what happened with all of that. So anyway, so let's see. So there was another time I was like, I went and and stayed at my house in the city for like a month, and my younger son was taken care of everything here, and I had I had built up my chicken flock to probably seventy five to eighty birds, and so my son decides he's gonna let them out and let them just kind of free range for a while. So he opens up the door and he lets them out. Well, predators come, and they took about half of the flock. And so so the next year when some of this stuff was happening and I

35:34 was out there working in the garden, that was the previous year. So now this this year that all of these other things are kind of happening in that spring, because everything happens here in the spring. I was in the garden and I was forgot what I was doing, but I started hearing. I started hearing, like in the forest, a chicken clucking. And I was like, oh, And I was thinking to myself, oh, you know what one of those chickens must have from vive. Maybe it got it been a truck, you know. I'm just my brain is just going, there's a chicken out there. There's you know, one of them still alive. So I so I start to I think I was hoeing around some vegetables plants, and so anyway, I put the hole down and then I start to head over there, and I was like, wait a minute, there's we have too many predators. There's no And then I just I had this feeling in the pit of my stomach that told me that something was baiting me and luring me out of the garden.

36:38 I knew it. I just knew it, and I just. Had this this shocking realization that I was fixing to get I was fixing to disappear. So I ran. I ran in the house. If you've ever seen a sixty two year old lady run, I was running in the house because it scared me so bad. But I knew I was getting baited. And then there was another time that let's see, I think I told you that one. And so there was another time that my son and I were down at the chicken coop and the side by side and he was driving, and so we were driving back up to the house and we have kind of a horse. Our road is kind of like a horseshoe, so he he was you know, like from the chicken coop to the house, it's kind of like the road is like a horseshoe. And so my so my son was driving, and he's really funny and he likes to tease me and stuff, and so he like he likes to scare me when I get on there. So he just like floors it and he's like he's like jerking the side by side, like back and forth, like swerving and swerving and swerving. Well, there's a spot where his dad is building a house, and they had brought in like a bunch of loads of top soil and stuff for the for the for the pad for the dad's house. And so I was gonna

38:15 look at him and go really, because he was like swerving and trying to scare me and stuff. So when I looked over at him to say really, before I could get the words out of my mouth, I could see passed his head and behind that, behind those piles of dirt, I could see do you know that have you ever seen the bigfoot? That's a man put I think his name is Harley Hoffman. That's walking from right to left. Okay, this one was walking from left right, And that is the closest thing I can that I can Harley Hoffman's bigfoot. It looked like that, but it was walking from left to write. And so later I asked my ex husband, I said how, I said, you know that those big dirt calls you have down there where you're building your house And he said yeah, And I said how tall would you think those are? And he said, I think they're about five and a half to six foot well, and I said, I'm just wondered. And so because I could see.

39:20 Like probably shoulder neck and head walking to the right. I figured that it was probably at least seven to eight foot tall. But it looked like the Harley Hoffman Bigfoot. It didn't look like Patty, it didn't look like a lot of these other ones that people post pictures of. It looked like the Harley Hoffman one. That's so that's that's what that like. So also let's see So as I was, I think I mentioned to you that my I sleep with my windows open year round because the air conditioner freezes me in the summer and it burnt and the heat burns me out in the winter. So I even with my vents closed, I have to sleep with my windows open. So one night I was laying here and I got woke up by something in the driveway and it was this deep male kind of voice, and it was going ho we ho we and it was like saying that. And I don't know if it was saying hurry or ho wey, but I could hear this thing saying ho wee. And I jumped up and I ran across the room and I was like looking outside, and of course it's pitch black, and I can't see a darn thing. And and so you know, I was like, oh my gosh, that is just crazy. And then probably I don't know, two or three weeks, maybe four weeks

40:51 after that, I was in bed and then I got woke up. By something saying. It was like a female voice, and it was going and this is exactly what it said. It said, pop pop pom pop, like you would tell a little kid, come on, come on, you know. Like like a like a kid that's like kind of stopping to look at something and you're trying to hurry up and do something or go somewhere or whatever, and the kid's not paying attention. It sounded like she was telling this kid come on, but she was actually. Saying pup pong poop pole. And that was like a really really really weird thing.

41:34 I got up right across the room again. And of course, you know, we have all of our trucks in the driveway, so in any and being pitch black and everything, you know, there's there's quite a bit of cover for something to hide, you know. And one night, one night, I was just sitting here at my desk and I heard something go go who who who me ow? And I I just these are these are just the craziest things. And it's like some of the stuff I hear just it absolutely blows my mind. So when you hear that, is it like something is what what's the voice of what's doing? Like the yow and and that that you're hearing.

42:22 It's the the who who who mew? Sounds like a human trying to imitate an owl? Okay, but at the end it says but and I only heard that one one time. But at the end it says me out it says, who who who mew? Oh my god, this is this is wild? How recent is all this happening. Let's see the the male and the female that the guy that or the male that was saying ho we ho we yeah, and the female that was saying poo boom poooo. They that was probably uh two.

43:05 Maybe three years ago. And the owl sound was probably two weeks ago. Oh wow. And so also you have full size adults on this property, not just juveniles. It sounds like right, oh wow. Okay, yeah. And there's times I sit on the porch I love I'm just one of those kids. You can't get them in the house, you know, I know, I'm not a kid at sixty two. But I'm not you. All my life, I've been one of those people that I just I love being outside. I love, love, love being outside. I will garden, I will do anything outside. I just want to be outside all day. And so I'll go out and I'll sit on the porch during the day and just enjoy the birds and the everything.

43:51 You know. I just love being outside. And sometimes I can hear like like to the south of the I can hear like whistling and it's not I mean, it's almost it's almost like a tune, but no tune that I know. And to the north of me, on the other side of the porch, to the north of me, I hear like chattering down in our creek. And when I jump up. And I grab my camera and I run to the end of the porch and I turn it on, I don't hear anything else. And it's like I wait, no, wait, no wait, and I don't catch anything else. It's just sometimes there's just something that just happens that you just you know, you don't have time, you don't know what's coming, so you don't have time to turn on your camera, you don't have time to record it. You know some of that kind of stuff. But and then there was one time I was walking down to feed the chickens.

44:48 I think the side by side was getting worked one and I didn't have any wasn't able. To drive it. So I was walking down there and when I got to the part where and this is about the same place, so I recorded all that rock clacking there was, and I'll tell you about that in a minute, if we have time. And so anyway, I got down there and I had a telepathic mind speak kind of message that said look up. In the trees. And I was like, what trees? And you know, because we're surrounded by trees, and I didn't know. I didn't know what it meant. I didn't know why something told me to look up in the trees. And it was a very very clear voice, and it was a male voice.

45:32 Big for society will be right back after these messages. And so, you know, that kind of bothered me for a while. But the next day on the next door one of our neighbors said she saw a mountain lion on our streets. So is it possible the mountain lion like the day before when I was told look up in the trees, is it possible that maybe there was a mountain line up in the trees and something told me to look up in the trees. I'd never saw anything, and I don't know what it was, and I don't know why I had that message.

46:23 I haven't had anything. Like that ever before, and I have not had anything like that since, so I have no idea what that was. But anyway, there so there was another thing that happened. So I would take on Skype. I would turn on my camera and my friend Mark over in England, who is my business partner, we would he would walk with me and we would talk about all kinds of things, and I had he would go with me like kind of moral support because I was afraid to go down there by myself after all of these things were, you know, were happening and everything. I was just afraid to go alone. But you know, I didn't take a weapon. I didn't, you know, it was just praying everything was okay. And I was actually saying down there when I would get there, I'm only here to feed my chickens.

47:17 I don't want any problems. If you please leave me alone and don't bother me, I won't bother you. I just want to feed my chickens and go home. I used to have to say that all the time. And so anyway, Mark would go with me, and I had these blue water barrels and I would prop my cell phone up on there where he had a clear view of me while I'm while I'm feeding the chickens and stuff and getting their water, and there was a So I did all of that, did all the feeding, get all the watering, and then I went around to get my phone back, and my friend Mark goes, who's that guy? And I was like, what guy? And he goes, you didn't see that guy standing over there looking at your little pig? And I said, no, what guy? He goes, well, he had gray hair and it was kind of fuzzy around his neck, and he had it was kind of fuzzy. His hair was flat on the top like he had been wearing like a baseball cap or something, and it like, you know, he took it off and then he had the kind of the flat hair on the top and it was kind of fluffy around the bottoms. And he told me everything the guy was wearing. And the guy was just like really interested in the pigs. Those two little pigs little baby pigs, and he was just standing there staring at him, and I just got the creepiest feeling, and so I got back up to the house as fast.

48:39 As I could. And then. And then that night, my ex husband comes home and he comes through the gate and he said, who loved that watermelon at the front gate? And I said, I don't know what watermelon? I said, I haven't seen a watermelon there. He goes, I said there was a I said, Mark saw a guy down at the uh down at the coop while I was feeding the feeding the pigs and chickens. And I said, but I don't know anything about a you know. He goes, well, somebody now knows we have pigs here, he said, you know, because they brought a watermelon and they put it at the front gate for us to feed the pigs, obviously, And I was like, I don't know. So I went down the next morning, I get up, I go and I look at it and it's and my ex husband had moved it out of the way over to the side of the gate so that it wouldn't.

49:37 So that it. Wouldn't, you know, he wouldn't run over it with the truck and make a mess and so, and I had a trail cam down there by the way too, which didn't pick up anybody putting it, putting it there at the front gate. And the next night I had the trail came on, you know, going so that I I could see, you know, more about the watermelon. But anyway, from the hours of ten pm to one am, it doesn't record anything. But by the morning, the watermelon is gone.

50:17 So something with hands probably walked over there and picked up that whole. It was one of those long watermelons, so it picked up that half a watermelon. It was somebody had ate it apparently, But and then it was gone, and my trail cam did not record for three hours. I mean it catches every car going by. And my son ever since, ever since a lot of this stuff has happened. My son has covered this place with those little with those little cameras that you can just record all kinds of stuff. It's not trail cam stuff. It's like the real cameras. So we have those all over. We have them on the chicken coops. We have two of the chicken coops on different sides. We have them on the ponds, we have them at our garage. On our front porch at our gate and we we have we've we've really really put a lot of cameras up and so.

51:14 Anyway, sorry real quick. Did Mark say if what he saw was wearing clothes or not? Yep, he said it was. He was the guy was wearing like a pair of khaki colored pants and a and a blue like a blue windbreaker. This is weird, okay. Yeah, And it's like suddenly a watermelon appears out of nowhere at the front gate because somebody knows now that we that we have little pigs or raising and uh so that was just, you know, another one of those really really really weird things. And uh, there was another time. My son was sometimes he sits on the front porch and he plays guitar and uh stuff at night in the dark. He just likes that for some reason. But still relaxing. But so one night he was gonna pee off the front porch and our garage is like around the corner, and so there he saw a black figure walking up our up from our dry what do you call it where you park your the parking concrete park, Yeah, but it's just the concrete slab. So where the truck's park anyway, next to that, there's like a there's probably like a heel that's three or four foot tall that we have some we have some trees on for like landscaping kind of stuff. And so he looked over and

52:48 he saw a black figure walking up that little hill over here by the garage, and so he he was like freaked out. And he's had he's had like lots of experiences too, like he will go out and he'll start the smoker and he will get he will get up to every two hours all night long, and he'll start what do you call it, like turning the turning like a brisket or something like every two hours all night long to cook it. And he's been outside and he's heard things. He's heard things out in the woods. Go help me, help me, help me.

53:30 He's he's had some really weird things happening to him too. So but let's see another time. I was when we first moved into the house. I had my little dog here and I was taking him out one last time out in the dark. Before you know, we go to bed, and all of a sudden, this great, big, huge oak tree in the front yard just starts violently thrashing and it is just going crazy and it was loud, and it was it was just violently thrashing, and me and that dog, I was stepping on that dog trying to get in the house and trying to get the door open, and just I mean we were gonners, me and me and my dog.

54:15 But anyway, we never. Saw what it was because it was just kind of pitch black outside. But that was another another really scary thing. There was another time when Mark was with me on the phone when I was feeding and I was just I just opened up the run on the opened up the door or the gate on the chicken run and I glanced up and probably I would say one hundred and fifty to two hundred and feet from me, there was this. Big, tall being and we. Looked at each other, and it looked at me, and I looked at it, and suddenly it did this big swan dive right behind a big pile of brush, and I could not get out of there fast enough. I tell I was telling Mark about it, and I was like, oh, my gosh, I wish you could have just saw what I saw. And He's like, what you say? And I was like, there was this big, tall, white thing and it was just standing there. It was standing there, it was by those by that big brush file, and I said, suddenly, it just it just looked at me, and I looked at it and we mad eyes and it just it just did a swan dive behind this big, huge brush pile of trees. And that was That was another one that was just really really scary. And uh so other than I've had I've recorded rock clacking. Something about the rock rock clacking videos that I sent you, something about

55:46 it makes me think that it's doing that. It's not actually rock clacking, but it's something with a mouth. It just has that has a real strange sound to it, like it's a mouth making a noise. And later when you get around and you want to listen to that, maybe you can see what you think. I don't know, I'm I'm not really sure. Yeah. I listened to it earlier and it almost what I got from it was it was almost like you know how you have someone trying to make a like a stone tool and you're like chipping away at the edges of something. Yeah, I was kind of getting those vibes.

56:31 But I'm gonna definitely listen to it again. With that viewpoint, because that's very interesting. Yeah, it could be something with a mouth, or it is or it's the rock clacking. And we have some really big, huge rocks over you can kind of see some of them along the front of the road, like where I stopped. I would turn left and go down to feed the chickens. But that was kind of the tea in the road where I just kind of, you know, stopped and I was like, what the heck is that? You know? So anyway, I say, I already told you about those little kid footprints. Oh and one day I was I came out the garage door and I looked over to my left and I saw this big, fat black thing running on all fours And my first I mean, it's like I thought I was looking at a bear, Like, you know, my brain goes, is that a bear? And so I know we don't have we don't have bear in this area. And I mean, can they come across the river from Oklahoma? Sure, but it's like nothing those but it's not reported here like it is down at Lake Texoma. Right, so because they have them down there, we don't usually have them here.

57:44 But I really don't know what it was. I know it wasn't a pig or a wild hog, you know, because it just didn't look like a hog. I've seen hogs and i've seen them, I've seen bear, but you know, looking back and thinking about it, I really don't even think it was a bear. So whatever it was, I really don't know. I just know it was big and it was fat, and it was running on off worse. So not a bear, not a pig. Do you have neighbors that are do you? I guess do you even have neighbors close to this property? Are you guys pretty far out there? We have down our street. We've got we have the sheriff and his wife, and then we have a few other people. They're kind of kind of like kind of like twenty thirty fifty one hundred acre you know, ranches that I was going to tell you too. Some like another time, like when I'm sleeping with my windows open, I can hear people up shooting in the dark two or three four o'clock in the morning, and I'm getting that one, what are they shooting at? You know, because it's pretty loud and I hear people, you know, shooting, and I have no idea what they're shooting at.

58:58 And that you know, I hear all. Kinds of crazy noises out there and I never know what they are. I don't know if I meant I have a friend. I have a friend down in San Antonio, and I sent him some of my audios that I have and he goes, you know what, You've got a hyena. And I was like, I don't think so, because that is a hyena. Because I'm telling you, I've seen them down here in San Antonio and I've recorded hyena's down here, he said. Even the people that owns this one hundred acres that I live on, he says, they've seen hyena down here. And I was like, oh my gosh, I never thought of it being a hyena. And he goes, that's a hyena. I'm telling you, that's a hyena.

59:40 I just wanted to take a minute to say thank you, truly for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Debra's story isn't just spooky, it's haunting, not because of what she saw, but because of what saw her again and again. So huge thanks to Debrah for her courage and sharing these deeply personal and intense experiences from the Red River region of If you enjoyed this episode, please hit subscribe to our channel on YouTube and turn on notifications so you never miss an encounter. And share this one with someone who needs to hear it. If you're listening on Apple or Spotify, a quick follow or rating goes a long way. If you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot encounter, especially in North Texas or southern Oklahoma, I'd love to hear from you, so email me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. And hey, don't forget. Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up July eleventh through the twelfth in Oakridge, Oregon, and bigfost Society listeners can grab a two day pass for the price of a one day admission with the code BFS and that's at Sasquatch Summerfest dot com. Thanks again for being part of the Bigfoot Society. Until next time, keep your eyes open, trust your instincts, and never stop wondering what else might be out there. And see you in the woods.