The Thing That Watched Us From the Woods: Debra’s Red River Encounter | Pt. 2

0:00 You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's story doesn't come from a backpacker or a late night hiker, comes from a family camping deep in the East Texas woods, where the trees stretched tall, and sometimes something watches you back, Strange voices in the dark, hand pressing against a tent, and a family that fled their campsite vowing never to return. Deborah returned to the podcast for part two to share more stories of people that have lived through encounters with sasquatch. So stay with us. I wanted to get into a few of a few of my family ones. So I have a niece and she and her mother which is my sister, and her husband, her husband's cousin, a bunch of their friends. They all went out to East Texas. They live in East Texas, but they went farther east. Have you ever heard of the city called Gilmer, East Texas? Uh?

1:02 Not, off the top of my head. I'm going to look it up real quick. You said, Gilmore. Gilmourt, Yeah, Anymore. Yeah, there's one of the Eagles lives out there. Don Henley, Yeah, he's from Gilmot. Cool. But so anyway, so they all went camping, and they always take their trailers and their four wheelers and their tents and all that kind of stuff, and they, you know, they would go ride motorcycles and four wheelers and camp for the weekend. And so they, uh so everybody, you know, they get there, they're putting up their putting up their tents, and my nieces like, well, we're gonna put ours kind of farther out, kind of into the trees and into the forest, kind of away from everybody else. You know.

1:49 They had the two kids, and so they you know, they just kind of put theirs more out into the woods. Well, during the night, my my niece gets woke up and she's hearing she's hearing all this chatter on like there was a big foot on one side of the camp and one on the other and they're just talking back and forth. And so she's listening to that and she's like thinks they're speaking Russian or something. She doesn't know what it is. They're just chattering, and so she kind of freaks out and she gets up and she puts her little girl between her and her husband and she lays back down and her back is against the back of the tent, and all of a sudden, this big hand presses in on the back of the tent and presses on her back, and so she jumps up and she gets on her knees and she's shaking her husband, you know, and she's just like shaking him. And she looks up and the top of the tent is like pressing in towards her head. So she had a really bad night, didn't sleep the rest of the night. By the time it got started getting daylight, and all the chat he stopped and all that kind of stuff, she kind of unzips. I mean, her mother was a few tents away, and she was yelling for her mother, and her mother never heard her all not long. And so anyway, she gets up and she undoes the zipper on the tent and she looks out and her her husband's cousin is sitting there in a chair and he's got his

3:21 pistol out and he's got it, you know, cocked and pointing out in the woods. And so she gets up and she goes out there and talks to him. And he had a bad night too, So whatever was messing with her was also over there messing with him. And so she she gets her husband up and they're all leaving and she's like, I am not staying another night here. You're going to have to help me get everything packed up and the four wheelers. And she goes, we're leaving, We're leaving, We're not staying here. And the cousin said, yeah, I'm leaving too, And he said, I'm never going camping again. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna sell my four wheeler out will never come back out here. I will never camp again, and I will never ride four wheelers again.

4:05 I will never come back here again. So that's what happened with them. And then so also at an East Sexes, I have I have three sisters that live on any Sexes and two of them are two of them are twins and they live they were living at that time, they were living on a piece of property that where my sister one sister, one twin sister, had a house built. The other one was she had like a I don't know, probably a thirty five foot travel trailer and that's where she lived. And so there I need. And so one of my sisters is sitting on her porch and the other one is sitting in her travel trailer, and the one in the travel trailer is doing sitting on her couch doing something, and she looks up and she sees a gray bigfoot walking across the farmers field that was across the street, and she jumps up and she runs out.

5:03 And my other sister, who was sitting on the porch is facing the road with her house and on the porch, she's facing the farmer's field, and she sees it, and they kind of meet in the driveway and she's like, oh, get a keen and let's see where it's Let's follow it and see where it goes. So they follow it, and at the end of the road is the river, and also at the end of the road is a building and so like a kind of like a commercial building, not a big one, but kind of a small one. So I don't know what they had in there or anything, and I don't think I didn't even think to ask. But so they get in their car and they're driving down there, and they couldn't see it anymore. But once they got to the building that was down there by that river, they see this man walking out from behind the building and he's carrying a gun in his arms.

5:58 And so they pull in the drive and he walks up to them and they're like, did you see that big foot? Did you see that big foot? And they're he's like starts laughing at him, and he's like, no, I didn't see a big foot. And he's laughing and and he thinks it's funny, and both of them know what they saw, right, And he said no, he said, you know, I didn't see a big foot. But he said, you know, I worked around here, he said, the owner of this property hires me to come out here and shoot the coyotes because they, you know, they keep getting coyotes on the on the land here. So and they're like, yeah, we saw a big foot and it was gray and it was walking. We saw it walking across the farmer's field and we jumped in the car and we just followed it down here to the river. And then you know, we thought maybe you might have seen it. Tune and he goes, now, I'm sorry I didn't see it. So that was that was that story. And then and so that same twin sister that lives in the travel trailer, she kept having something come up and slapping on her, slapping on her, on her little trouble trailer and she would call and tell me about it, and I was like, wow, that's pretty crazy, and she's like yeah, and she says, one night it came and it stepped on my bumper and it raised up the front where the hitch is and it says I, And she said, I was. She says, I was laying in the laying in my bed, and she said it like nearly rolled me out of my bed.

7:26 And I forget which which I think it was. Yeah, I think she said it was on the bumper at the at the back. So anyway, so she was telling me about that, and she goes, what do I do? And I said, I don't know. I've watched some of these I've watched some of these big foot shows. And I said, some people say if you if you stack up three rocks, that it will you know, it'll basically mean you mean peace, and you know you don't want to be bothered anymore. And she said she did that and it stopped bothering her. And she said, then a few she said, I don't know, a few months later, maybe up to a year, she had a she had a wild pig come up to her porch with part of its face torn off, and I remember her sending me the pictures of it and it had gotten up on her porch and it and it had like knocked her rocks over, and so she started having problems again, and I said, well, you know what to do. I said, you know, you go out there and you said, if it's not bothering you, and you stack those rocks up.

8:32 I said, you know, you need to go out and do it again. I said, you know, because if all the slapping on the side of your trailer and everything's starting up again, you know, go out there and stack those rocks up again. I said, you know, I don't know what else to tell you. So anyway, she did that, and she finally ended up selling her selling that and moving to Alabama. That's that's really incredible. That was East Texas. Yeah, wow, yeah, East Texas. And it wasn't very far from my house where my husband and I lived where the cats got drowned and uh and the what do you call those the goats got got massacred. It was probably, yeah, yep, probably fifteen minutes from there. And uh so, anyway, I have another sister, an older sister, who is also a twin to another twin. My mom had two sets of twins, And so she was she was sitting like it was after midnight, I don't know, twelve or one o'clock at one o'clock in the morning, and she's sitting in her spare room where her it's like got bunk beds in there, and when her grandkids come over to spend the weekend or whatever, you know, they sleep in that room. And that's also where her computer is. So she was telling me that if she called me camp one day and she was telling me that she was sitting in there

10:03 at her computer and that all of a sudden she started hearing knocking on the window, she said. And I said, like knocking, like with somebody with knuckles, and she goes, absolutely, somebody with knuckles, just like they were knocking on your front door, somebody with knuckles. And I was like, oh my gosh, that's crazy. So, I don't know, probably a month or so passes by, and mix husband and I go up and we we booked to visit her and her husband. Oh, let me finish that story. I'm getting ahead of myself, okay. So she so, she she said that she she it scared her so bad. She jumped up and she ran in the bedroom and she was shaking.

10:45 Her husband get up. There's somebody outside, and he goes, what do you mean. And he's like, She's like, well, somebody's out there knocking on my window. And he goes, it's nothing, it's nothing. Just go to bed. Just go to bed. So anyway, so then like a month or so later, Mike's husband and I go up there and we're we're visiting, and we you know, go out to eat with them, and you know, just kind of spend the day with them, and we I was asking her, I said, I said, you remember when you called me and you told me about and knocking on your window? And she said yeah, And I said, can you take me around and show me which window it was? And she's like yeah. So we go around there, and that window.

11:28 I'm five foot four and that window just like the bottom of it hits me right about the very top of my forehead, around my hairline. And so I kind of figured that whatever it was was tall enough that it could see over the top part of that window and see her sitting at that desk, because it was knocking on that window and just just scared the scared the heck out of her. That. Like I said, I'm five four in that window. The bottom of it hit me. It's me around the forehead. So let's see. Uh okay, So I think I've told you that one and that one. Okay, So also you're gonna see I sent you two pictures of one has a motor coach in it and one has a picture of a bigfoot sitting on a tree with no legs. That belonged to my brother and my sister.

12:33 That's on that same property where she was getting slapped on the likes the slapping and then something standing on her buffer raising up the front of her her travel trailer. That's that. That's that same piece of land. And you'll see there's like a motor home out there. And if you look up in the tree, she took pictures of a big foot sitting on a limb with no legs, and you can see you can see, uh, I know it's bad quality, but I used to have a better picture of that. But you can see it has no leg but you can see its back, you can see it's head. I mean, it's like to me, the ones that I've seen of that have been really really clear.

13:19 The ones that she has, they were a lot more clear. So she got pictures. That same sister got pictures of that big foot up in that tree, and she said she has seen things out in the forest behind. They had a pretty good size parcel of land there too that she that they lived on. And so also down here, speaking of thinking about the chickens and stuff, again, I had like half of our shed is a chicken coop, half of it is a shed, and so it's like eight by eight for the chicken coop and eight for the shed where you store all the chicken feed and kind of all of those things. And so if you open the shed door you walk in and you'll see, and I've sent you a picture of this, there's like a hen gearbox. Like the chickens get up in there and they lay their eggs, and then you've got a little metal door that opens on the top and you can just pull all the eggs out. Well, to keep the chickens from getting out, we had to build a door like a put a piece of plywood across the top to you know, so the chickens wouldn't come through there or wouldn't get out, And so There's been times that I have gone into that chicken coop and I had no eggs. And remember I told you I had anywhere from forty to eighty chickens at any given time.

14:47 I just you know, depending on when stuff got eight or my sonlet it so anyway, but we've always had a good amount of eggs. And for like weeks I would go down there there was no eggs, and that the door that you can see, like the little metal door that would be like left open. Whatever it was had hands and it would close the shed door back. But sometimes like I would like where the eggs are, and sometimes I would find eggs that have been taking out taken out of the hind gear box and taken outside of the shed and laid on the ground in front of the door like you would thought. You would have thought something dropped it, but it would have broke, so you know, it had to set those something whoever it was, whatever it was, set those eggs down there on the ground. And I had pictures of those, but those are all on my hard drive and I can't get those off of there anymore.

15:49 Okay, So sorry, there's what I want to dress something real quick. I just saw the close up picture of the bigfoot above the motor home. That's really intense. I mean, you can she see sorry, you can see the definition of the shoulder in the arm. That's a wild picture. Yeah, yeah, she's had. She had a few others that she sent me that were on my hard drive that I just can't get access to. And the only reason I had this is because these were on my old phone, and when I got a new phone, I was able to transfer some of those pictures over from my phone, and but I but I can't. But some of those got left on my hard drive. So I apologize for that.

16:36 But oh, I mean, no problem. I was. I don't know if you're still able to talk to her. I mean I can only I can't even imagine what a better quality version of that photo looks like. It's got to be intense. Yeah, it would be. I can ask her and see if she see if she has it. Yeah. So also with the chicken coop, they're like it has netting across the top so that no predators can get in there, no owls or hawks or you know, we had cooper hawks and owls and stuff killing our chickens there for a little while. So we had to buy a net to put over the top, and it's on there pretty darn good and we didn't really ever have any problems after that. But so one day I went down there to feed and I had roosters. It's the chicken run is divided, and it's a pretty big, pretty big chicken yard, and it's covered across the top and it's got i think the walls. On the sides of the fencing it was hog wire and then that's covered in chicken wire and then on top of that it's hardware cloth. Because we kept having predators biting heads off our chickens, so we had to keep keep reinforcing, you know, the wiring around them because you know, if a chicken sticks its head out and a weasel or something else

18:06 gets it, you know. So anyway, we had to keep taking measures. Who fix to you know, predator proof our chicken thing. So we have we have it divided into half, and half of it on the left side is a bunch of roosters and they they have My son used to have this big canut of cane corso mastiff dog and she had this massive doghouse. So we on one side we have the doghouse, and on the other side we have chicken the hens where the hens can they can either get up under the chicken coop or walk up the little ladder and you know, go in there and sleep in the actual coop for the nut. So one day I walk down there and I'm I'm looking at the roosters and I just kind of glanced down and they're is scat inside the rooster pin and it's broken into half and each each half is like four or five inches long, and it's black. And so we have all of that protection around every wall. We have the top completely covered and nothing can get in and nothing can get out only through only through the gates.

19:26 And there's two gates. So there's one gate that walks into the hens pin, and then if you walk all the way on the other side of the hens pin, there's the gate that goes into where the roosters are. No roosters were killed. Everything was just normal as it could be, except for there was some animals scat in there. And it was very long, but it was broken into two pieces. Like I said, each piece was probably four to five inches long. And I have I think I sent you a picture of that and so my sister, uh, the one that was lived in East Texas that she now lives in Alabama, and she's had some weird stuff happened there to at least one thing that I remember, but there was what do you call it? There was a her idea because I couldn't figure out how it got in there, because what kind of animal can get in there and go to the bathroom and then get back out when you only have to go through a gate or two gates to get in there. And so anyway, she said that she thinks that the juvenile sasquatch that's been messing with the yarn, that's been doing the rocks behind the truck that had the little footprints down there and down behind where we parked the vehicles and stuff everything down in there, she thinks that maybe it found

20:59 that or or it came from that and it picked it up and threw it through the fence to feed it to the chickens or to the roosters. That's just as good a theory as any because I really can't explain it. And I talked to my sons about it. My sons are in their forties, and you know, it's it's like you know, my oldest son said, well, maybe a big cat or a coady or something climbed on top of the chicken coop and shed and hung it's behind off the over the edge and just went to the bathroom like that. And I was like, well, I guess that's I don't know how it would get up there or get down, but I guess that's just as plausible as anything else, because I can't explain it and I don't know how it happened. So the next thing that happened, so I'm sitting in my bedroom and I'm looking out, and I had some little hens that were getting bullied by all the other chickens and they're like getting their feathers plucked out and everything. So I went in and got them and I built this little what you call it chicken tractor. It's just like a little square framed thing with hardware cloth all the way around it and a door that opens on the top. And so anyway, I was trying to let these hens heal a little bit. And so I kind of have a routine.

22:23 I get up every morning, I open my blinds, I have my coffee. Well, one morning I look out and there is a black creature, and I sent you that picture. There's a black creature bent over and I had this tarp over the top of this little chicken tractor and so the so by the time I opened the blinds and saw it, the tarp had already been moved and this thing was bent over looking inside. And I did take my I took a picture of it with my phone because I was like, what in the world is that?

23:05 And so and so. Then I kind of took that picture and I zoomed in on it. I got my shoes on and was running downstairs as fast as I could. And by the time I got out the door, it was gone. But I wanted to make sure that I got a picture of it before I left. But anyway, by the time I got down there, it was gone. And I don't know what that was, but you can see it has a horrible, evil, wicked looking head on it, like a devil or something to me, So. It's a it's a darker creature to the right of the tarp, right, Yep. You can see it kind of bent over looking looking in there. Wow. And so yeah, it had moved the tarf and was looking up under there at the chickens.

23:53 So I don't know, you know, I always I always hear everybody ask what do you think it is? What is it? What do you think it is? You know? And you know, I my brain was in so many different directions. It's like part of me thinks, well, maybe it is a multi dimensional being and it's you know this or that. But then I go, well, I don't know. It eats, It eats animals, and it eats you know, it kills deer, and it takes the deer away from the hunters, and it, you know, does all of these you know, things that are more of a physical being, not a multi dimensional being. And then you know, then I go, well, is it an aplom can they? Can they be one one type of being one time and then go to a physical being the next time? You know?

24:44 I hope that makes sense. No, No, I totally get it. There's something I want to ask you real quick. You mentioned that you've had a telepathy experience. Has that happened more than once at that property? That's my one and only time in my whole life. Wow, nothing nothing before that and nothing after that. But all it said was look up in the trees. And so that was the only only time. Okay, So when I was when I was probably eleven or twelve, my sisters had and their husbands they were friends with a man that worked with their husbands. They all worked at the same company, and so they all kind of made friends over the years. She was telling me about being like, she's her family went camping and they had a they had like a uh like one of the uh what do you call those travel trailer? So they had a travel trailer and uh they part they would go take their kids camping at the lake every year. And I don't remember some lake here in Texas. I don't remember which one. Could have been Lake Texas home, I just don't remember. But because we all live in the same area, you know. And so anyways, was telling me that they went camping and that she was, you know, it was her time of the month and she was having cramps, and the rest of her family, her mom and dad and her siblings, they all were going to go walk

26:16 around the lake, and so she didn't feel good, so she was going to stay in the trailer. And she said after her parents or her family had been gone, you know, twenty or thirty minutes or something, she said she could hear the door knob on the travel trailer wiggling back and forth, and she was like thought, you know, it was a human, and that somebody was fixing to come in and fixing to come in and hurt her. And so she was small enough. I don't remember how old she said she was at the time, but she was small enough she could get up under one of the cabinets or in one of the cabinets, and so she said this, she said, an actual bigfoot came inside.

26:58 And it was just like patient up down, back and forth, back and forth in the on the floor in the middle. You know how they like you have like a table on one side and a capped on the other side. Well, anyway, that there was like this little hall through there, for lack of better words, she had this little thing through the and it just kept pacing back and forth, up, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and it finally went, I guess it couldn't find her. And it finally left, and she jumped up and locked the door and stuff when it was gone. And when her parents got back, she was so terrified. She just she just wanted all she wanted to do was go home.

27:38 And I think I remember her telling me nobody believed her either. So also, during the time that we had the house built here and my son, you know, they were clearing land for ponds and doing all these other things. Well, one of the one of the pieces of heavy equipment broke down, and so a guy from Caterpillar came up here and he was working on it, and I had to leave and go into town. So I was like, oh, gosh, I'm going to be so embarrassed having to mention this to him, but you know, it's probably better that I say something than not say something. So anyway, I drove down to the back of the property where he was working on this broken down piece of equipment, and I said, Hey, how you doing And he's like, oh, I'm good. Good, And I said, well, I just wanted to tell you that I'm fixing to go into town and there won't be anybody here. But I said, the reason I'm telling you this is because we've had some really weird things happening here. And I said, I just wanted to tell you so you can kind of be on alert, you know, and be aware of your surroundings. And he's like, well, what are you talking about and I said, I said, we've seen big foot here. We've seen other creatures. I said, we don't really know what they all are. I said, but I just wanted to, you know, I just wanted to let you know so you can kind of be

29:09 aware of your surroundings and you know, if you see something moving or whatever, you know, just you know, just be aware that some weird things have happened around here. And I just wanted to, you know, let you know so you you know, so you can kind of keep an eye out, you know, and be safe. And he's like, oh, I appreciate that, and he goes, he goes, really, I saw a big foot and I said, yeah, we've seen a few of them. And he said, well, I was going, he said, I'll tell you this. He said, my friend, my friend works for one of those companies that I like, the Laboratory, and they collect snake venom. He said, So my friend goes and collects all these poisonous snakes all around Texas and then he takes them and then they they get all of the venom out of the fans, and then he takes some back out and then he releases them back out in the wild. He said. So one night I go with him and you know, we're walking along and he said he's got his got his flashlight out, and he said there was this part of the trail and he said it just kind of dropped off like he said, like I don't know, three or four foot or something, and he said, he said, he shine.

30:22 He said this thing was standing right where it dropped off, and he said it had to be over ten foot tall because when he shined a flashlight on it, he said, he could just like shine up, like, you know, like at first he may have been shining on his chest or something because they were on the higher ground and it was standing down below. So he was telling trying to explain to me that he went the friend went up with the flashlight until he got to this thing's face and he said they both saw it and took off running, and he said it scared the heck out of He says, I know they exist. I've seen it myself now. So that was that was the experience with the caterpillar. Grid the technician. So, I have a younger sister and we have this multure and we all these trees.

31:17 We were trying to figure out what to do with all of them. So Mike's husband he goes and he buys this this maulture, and so you know, they feed all these tree loombs and things into the into this multure and we you know, let the let it sit for a few years and make you know, composts for the garden. Or we sometimes we take big bucket loads of it with the skid steer and we drop it over into the we pull back the netting and we put it in there for the chickens and they pick through it and get the bugs out and all that. Well. Anyway, so she, my sister, was working on her garden. I think it was two years ago. It made me last year, actually, yeah, I think it was like and so so we're all standing down at the pond and which is down by the chicken coop, and we're just kind of looking over, you know, the pond, and all of a sudden, this it's like a small tree lamb and it are a really big stick and it just comes flying over all three of our heads and the lands in the lands in the pond, and you can hear this thing going like that, and it was thrown with some force, and we all just like turned around and started looking. Of course, you know, there's a lot of trees and stuff. We don't know where it came from, but this thing flew over our heads and landed right in the pond.

32:40 And sorry, real quick, the noise that you just made, was that the noise of whatever through it, or the noise of it like going over and over in the air. Yeah, yeah, the noise of it going over and over in there. Okay, So in Oklahoma, my brother in law grew up in Oklahoma, and they lived, I think he said, either near the Kamishie Mountains or in the Kamie Shee Mountains. But anyway, his mother was I can't remember if he was said. I think he said he was a teenager. But his mother was standing in the kitchen and she was cooking dinner, and their back door flies open, and then a bigfootsteps inside, and he's standing there looking at the mother, and the mother's looking at him, and he just glances down and sees a canister a flower sitting on the counter, and he just grabs that canister a flower and runs back out the back, runs back out the door. So that was what happened with my brother in law, and so They never gave me a description of what it looked like, and I never even thought to ask. But but his mother has been long gone, But I guess I guess I should have thought to ask back then. But my dad, Uh. The next stories that I have are from Arkansas. And my dad was born in nineteen fifteen, and so he was I think

34:11 he was like seventeen or eighteen during the Great Depression, and so he and his brother they had they were moonshiners. They had like three or four hundred acres in Girden, Arkansas, and it was down by the watch The Watchita River ran through their their place in Gurdon, Arkansas. And so one of the experiences was they had a cabin down by the river that they had, like you know, they would stay down there sometimes at night. And they got up one morning and opened up the door and was just walking out, you know, to go tender their fields.

34:52 And they're they're still and there was an auburn colored big foot standing in the front yard and or walking across the front yard of this of this cabin. And so there was another time that they they were I don't think they had gone into the cabin yet that they were out. They had like a one of those cast iron Dutch ovens on a campfire, and they were making beef stew, and they had horses, and they had their dogs there and let's see, he said that they could hear this thing walking towards them, and it was just like laying over trees, like like a bulldozer, like damn, damn bam, you know, just laying over these trees. And he said it got close to them. Their dogs started barking and ran off, and then their heart their horses were wearing up, and he said they he took the hand, the little wire handle that goes on those Dutch ovens, and he just kind of stuck it up in a tree over a over a where a tree lamb used to be or something, or on a tree lamb. I forgot what he said, but anyway, they were looking and seeing this dark figure coming out of the trees on the I think he said from the other side of the river. I'm trying to recall. But and then they got on their horses and they rode away. And they

36:24 come back the next morning and this this thing of beef stew was already like it had sat there and ate the whole thing of beef stew. So that was that and then I have uh, that was the two things that happened to my dad down to Watchita River. And then my my sister lives in Alabama and she moved. She moved there probably I'm gonna say about three or four years ago, and she started attending a like a church there, and the minister came and his wife came over to visit her, and he was telling her the story about how he likes to go kayaking in the bay there, uh near where where she lives. And so because her proper the property with her family there, it's the back of their property backs up to the bay.

37:30 And she was telling me that he told her that he was carrying his canoe and he was walking down this trail to get to the water, and two men come running past him going the other direction, and they were telling him that there he needs to turn around and leave because there's a creature down there and it has it has he says that they has a more of a human body, but it has a dog's head and so yeah, and so they that's the were running past him and telling him don't go down there, don't go down there. So that was another thing that happened to my sister, the one that lived in the travel trailer in East Texas that had all that stuff off.

38:14 And so last year, I'm gonna tell you last year, some stuff happened to me. I lived in Washington State last year and with my boyfriend, and we had some strange things happening there. Like one morning, I got up and I went outside with my coffee, and I just it's just so beautiful there. I just love it there. And I would get my coffee and I would go and just sit on the ride and mower and I would just listen to the birds and play with our dog. Plus you know, the neighbor's dogs would come over and play all the time. And so I was sitting on the moor and I heard a tree knock, and I was like, traina because my boyfriend's land it sloped down like he was on a mountain and it sloped down and then it dropped off into a deep canyon, and so so I was and then on the other side of the canyon is like this great, big, huge, tall cliff and there's like nothing on the other side of that.

39:16 It's just like a giant wall and if that makes any sense, like you can just look and it's just like a wall. So Cliff, Yeah, and so, so I was hearing wood knocks and I was like, oh, my gosh, is that a wood knock? So I jump off the mower and I'm trying to get my phone open and putting in my pass code and doing all this stuff, trying to get my phone, get the camera going, and finally I start recording and I start getting these woodknocks and it was really really good ones. I don't know if you had a chance to listen to that one, if you look been real close, you'll hear something go err like that, like a I don't know if you would call it a gurgle or a oh what do they call that? It's not a it's not a growl, it's not a it's like a what do they call that? Oh?

40:10 I forgot, but you could hear you could hear this thing make a make a kind of a weird noise while it's tree knocking down there. You can actually hear like some kind of weird vocalization. And so, and then another morning I got up and I went outside and there was like five or six apples in the driveway, and every one of them had like half of it bitten off. And I was like, we don't have apple trees and our you know, we go over and and we hang out with the neighbors, and they don't have apple trees, you know, so we don't. We didn't. I didn't know where the apples came from. So when my boyfriend woke up, I got up early, usually in my early birds, so I went so I when he came outside, I was showing him. I said, do you see all these apples in the driveway And he's like, yeah, where this come from? I said, I don't know. We don't have apple trees, and he goes, yeah, the neighbors don't have any either. I was like, yeah, I know, right, and so we're just kind of standing there scratch our heads.

41:12 He goes, I know what half of that? So what he goes, I think that. I think that there were like five or six deer and they were all walking and they were carrying these apples in their mouth, and then when a car came up the road, the car scared them and they all dropped their apples and they all took off front end. And I said, I don't think deer run with apples in their mouth, and I don't think. I don't think deer buy the apples in half and throw them on the ground. So anyway, that was a couple of things that happened while I was there. So when I got back home, my boyfriend calls me up and he's like, hey, baby, guess what. I said. What he goes, I saw two bigfoots. I was like, no, you did it, and he goes, yeah, I did. He goes, I think you. I think you brought them with you.

41:57 He said, because I've lived here all my life, and I've lived in this house for at least thirty years. And he said, I've never seen anything. I've never seen anything like that ever before. And he said, I said, well, really, what happened? He goes, well, he goes, you know how they lifted that burn ban and you know, we finally were able to start burning some of our brush. He said, well, I had started a fire, and I kept, you know, all day long and into the evening. I kept putting brush in this pile so I could get it all burnt. And he said, about two o'clock in the morning, I was like, wow, I better go down there and check on that fire and make sure, you know, I don't catch the neighbor's house on fire or something. You know, he just wanted to go down and you know, just kind of keeping on things. So he goes down there, and he's got his flash light and his dog, and he walks up to the fire and he shines a slash light and he starts seeing four red eyes. And he said, I knew what they were, he said, And I said, well, I said, well, about how big were they?

43:03 And he goes, they were probably ever a bit of seven or eight foot tall. And I said, well, how far apart were they? And he goes, they were probably from shoulder to shoulder. They were about to foot apart. And I said, well, what'd you do? And he goes, I started yelling at him, get out of here, get out of here. And I said, so did they go? And he goes, no, they just kept standing there near the fire. And he said I could see him standing by the fire, and you know, and they and I just kept yelling and yelling and they wouldn't go. And he said, I said, so would you do? And he goes. I ran in the house and I got my pistol, and I came back out and got a better flashlight. And I said, well, then what and he said, well, they were still there, and he said, I was yelling at him, and you better go on, don't have a pistol, you better go, you better go. And he said, they just stood there and stared at me with those red eyes, and they wouldn't you know, they wouldn't they wouldn't go.

43:54 And I said, you should up just left them alone and just went and stayed in the house. And I said, because you know, that's really dangerous to go down there like that. And he took the took the pistol and he just like started kind of shooting. He wasn't shooting at them, but he was just kind of shooting to get them to leave. And I don't know how he didn't wake up all the neighbors because he was just like frantic shooting. And he just kept yelling at him and yelling at him and shooting and shooting. And I mean, he probably was using his little twenty two, but it was still loud. You know, he had these little twenty two pistols. And so anyway, he said he just kept yelling at him and yelling at him, and they just kept standing there, and he said, finally they both started walking, and they walked up the hill where the house was and towards the cars where you know, like where he has his car's park. So anyway, he walked up the they just he said, they walked so slow. It was almost like they were gliding. It was just so slow.

45:00 And so anyway, he couldn't believe it. And he's like, I just I think you brought them here with you. And I said, what are you saying, Because I'm saying you brought them here with you because I never had him here before. And I said, I bet you did, and you just didn't notice. I said, because you know, I mean, if you pair that with that pile apples, and then you pair it with me recording the wood knockings that I showed you that I recorded, I said, you know, they were probably there all along. And so anyway, that was kind of that was kind of all that happened with him there. But his dad, before he died last year, was living up in Olympia, and I think he said a few years before his dad died, he said his his dad was like leaving their house to leaving his house to drive into down and his dad like had a beach house there and so he drove up to uh was driving into town to get some stuff, and he said he was just kind of on the dirt road and looked and kind of looked up and you know, looking at his rear view, Mira, and he said it one and one of them just like went walking right behind him and he could see it in his rearview, Mira. So and that was up in Olympia.

46:32 So I think that is everything I have now. And like I said, I've I've talked for the sheriff about it. I've talked to the sheriff's wife about it, and you know, they've they've said people they said people have also reported some strange things. And you know, when my son put up these cameras all over the property, I forget to tell you this one, but something set off one of the cameras in the driveway and you don't see anything, but you hear a grunt. That's what I was trying to tell you. That at the would not on, that would not video. If you listen to it, you'll hear the grunt. It's a grunt. I couldn't think of it. Okay, anyway, that's pretty much all I have. I guess that's probably enough.

47:21 That's I mean, this is absolutely incredible. The amount of encounters that you have gathered from across the country over the years is very, very impressive. You have some some very cool connections. I mean just just in your relatives really, but we've got to keep in touch with stuff that happens down there. I'm just I'm blown away by that, the stuff that you have going on there. But I mean, thank you so much for taking your time this afternoon to share. And I would say, you know, the stories you shared, even the relatives, I don't know if they would ever need to talk to anyone, but I mean anyone that you've been, that you know that has had some things happen, you're more than welcome to pass on my info if they need someone to talk to about it.

48:14 But yeah, I just thank you so much for coming on the show. We'll definitely keep in touch. It sounds like you've got wild stuff going on and I'd love to hear more about it. But thank you so much for hanging out today, Debra. You're welcome. Jeremiah, thanks for having me on. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you truly for listening to this episode of the Big for Society podcast. Deborah's story reminds us why East Texas is one of the most active and chilling bigfoot hotspots around. So huge thanks to Deborah for sharing not just one story, but a lifetime of experience that leave no doubt that we are not alone in the woods. If you've enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit that bell icon so you don't miss any new episodes, and share this one with a friend who loves crypted mysteries or Texas Lore. If you're tuning in on Spoti fire Apple podcasts, make sure to follow the show and if you'd be willing to leave a review, it really helps new listeners find us. And Hey, if you were someone you know has had a bigfoot encounter, especially around East Texas or the Kaimichi Mountains of Oklahoma, shoot me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. I'd love to hear your story. And also, don't forget Sasquatch Summerfest is happening July eleventh through the twelfth at Greenwaters Park in Oakridge, Oregon, and Bigfoot Society listeners can grab you two day pass for the price of a one day admission with code BFS at checkout. Tickets are available now at www dot Sasquatch Summerfest dot com. Huge thanks to Priscilla and the team for making that happen, and thanks again for being part of the Bigfoot Society. Until next time, keep your ears open, your head on a swivel, and never stop wondering what might be out there. And

49:45 see you in the woods.