May 2, 2025

The Thing That Watched Us From the Woods: Debra’s Red River Encounter | Pt. 2

Here comes Part 2 of our conversation with Debra.

What happens when a family’s relaxing camping trip in East Texas turns into a night of terror — complete with strange voices, a crushed tent, and a hand that pressed through the walls? In this...

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Season 1

Here comes Part 2 of our conversation with Debra.

What happens when a family’s relaxing camping trip in East Texas turns into a night of terror — complete with strange voices, a crushed tent, and a hand that pressed through the walls? In this gripping episode, we sit down with Debra, who shares not only her niece’s chilling encounter near Gilmer, Texas, but a lifetime of Sasquatch activity across multiple states. You’ll hear stories of Bigfoot vocalizations, giant figures crossing farmers’ fields, shadowy creatures slapping on trailers, and a terrifying nighttime siege that sent seasoned campers running for their lives. Locations include the dark woods of Gilmer, the Kiamichi Mountains and the wildlands of Washington. If you’re curious about the connection between Bigfoot, family land, and strange forest mysteries — this is one episode you don't want to miss.

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You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's story doesn't come from a backpacker or a late

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night hiker, comes from a family camping deep in the

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East Texas woods, where the trees stretched tall, and sometimes

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something watches you back, Strange voices in the dark, hand

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pressing against a tent, and a family that fled their

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campsite vowing never to return. Deborah returned to the podcast

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for part two to share more stories of people that

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have lived through encounters with sasquatch. So stay with us.

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I wanted to get into a few of a few

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of my family ones. So I have a niece and

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she and her mother which is my sister, and her husband,

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her husband's cousin, a bunch of their friends. They all

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went out to East Texas. They live in East Texas,

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but they went farther east. Have you ever heard of

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the city called Gilmer, East Texas? Uh?

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Not, off the top of my head. I'm going to

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look it up real quick. You said, Gilmore.

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Gilmourt, Yeah, Anymore. Yeah, there's one of the Eagles lives

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out there. Don Henley, Yeah, he's from Gilmot.

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Cool.

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But so anyway, so they all went camping, and they

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always take their trailers and their four wheelers and their

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tents and all that kind of stuff, and they, you know,

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they would go ride motorcycles and four wheelers and camp

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for the weekend. And so they, uh so everybody, you know,

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they get there, they're putting up their putting up their tents,

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and my nieces like, well, we're gonna put ours kind

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of farther out, kind of into the trees and into

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the forest, kind of away from everybody else. You know.

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They had the two kids, and so they you know,

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they just kind of put theirs more out into the woods. Well,

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during the night, my my niece gets woke up and

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she's hearing she's hearing all this chatter on like there

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was a big foot on one side of the camp

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and one on the other and they're just talking back

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and forth. And so she's listening to that and she's

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like thinks they're speaking Russian or something. She doesn't know

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what it is. They're just chattering, and so she kind

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of freaks out and she gets up and she puts

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her little girl between her and her husband and she

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lays back down and her back is against the back

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of the tent, and all of a sudden, this big

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hand presses in on the back of the tent and

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presses on her back, and so she jumps up and

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she gets on her knees and she's shaking her husband,

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you know, and she's just like shaking him. And she

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looks up and the top of the tent is like

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pressing in towards her head. So she had a really

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bad night, didn't sleep the rest of the night. By

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the time it got started getting daylight, and all the

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chat he stopped and all that kind of stuff, she

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kind of unzips. I mean, her mother was a few

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tents away, and she was yelling for her mother, and

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her mother never heard her all not long. And so anyway,

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she gets up and she undoes the zipper on the

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tent and she looks out and her her husband's cousin

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is sitting there in a chair and he's got his

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pistol out and he's got it, you know, cocked and

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pointing out in the woods. And so she gets up

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and she goes out there and talks to him. And

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he had a bad night too, So whatever was messing

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with her was also over there messing with him. And

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so she she gets her husband up and they're all

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leaving and she's like, I am not staying another night here.

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You're going to have to help me get everything packed

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up and the four wheelers. And she goes, we're leaving,

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We're leaving, We're not staying here. And the cousin said, yeah,

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I'm leaving too, And he said, I'm never going camping again.

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As a matter of fact, I'm gonna sell my four

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wheeler out will never come back out here. I will

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never camp again, and I will never ride four wheelers again.

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I will never come back here again. So that's what

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happened with them. And then so also at an East Sexes,

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I have I have three sisters that live on any

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Sexes and two of them are two of them are

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twins and they live they were living at that time,

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they were living on a piece of property that where

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my sister one sister, one twin sister, had a house built.

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The other one was she had like a I don't know,

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probably a thirty five foot travel trailer and that's where

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she lived. And so there I need. And so one

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of my sisters is sitting on her porch and the

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other one is sitting in her travel trailer, and the

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one in the travel trailer is doing sitting on her

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couch doing something, and she looks up and she sees

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a gray bigfoot walking across the farmers field that was

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across the street, and she jumps up and she runs out.

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And my other sister, who was sitting on the porch

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is facing the road with her house and on the porch,

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she's facing the farmer's field, and she sees it, and

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they kind of meet in the driveway and she's like, oh,

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get a keen and let's see where it's Let's follow

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it and see where it goes. So they follow it,

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and at the end of the road is the river,

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and also at the end of the road is a

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building and so like a kind of like a commercial building,

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not a big one, but kind of a small one.

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So I don't know what they had in there or anything,

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and I don't think I didn't even think to ask.

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But so they get in their car and they're driving

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down there, and they couldn't see it anymore. But once

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they got to the building that was down there by

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that river, they see this man walking out from behind

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the building and he's carrying a gun in his arms.

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And so they pull in the drive and he walks

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up to them and they're like, did you see that

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big foot? Did you see that big foot? And they're

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he's like starts laughing at him, and he's like, no,

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I didn't see a big foot. And he's laughing and

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and he thinks it's funny, and both of them know

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what they saw, right, And he said no, he said,

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you know, I didn't see a big foot. But he said,

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you know, I worked around here, he said, the owner

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of this property hires me to come out here and

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shoot the coyotes because they, you know, they keep getting

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coyotes on the on the land here. So and they're like, yeah,

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we saw a big foot and it was gray and

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it was walking. We saw it walking across the farmer's

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field and we jumped in the car and we just

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followed it down here to the river. And then you know,

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we thought maybe you might have seen it. Tune and

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he goes, now, I'm sorry I didn't see it. So

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that was that was that story. And then and so

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that same twin sister that lives in the travel trailer,

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she kept having something come up and slapping on her,

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slapping on her, on her little trouble trailer and she

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would call and tell me about it, and I was like, wow,

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that's pretty crazy, and she's like yeah, and she says,

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one night it came and it stepped on my bumper

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and it raised up the front where the hitch is

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and it says I, And she said, I was. She says,

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I was laying in the laying in my bed, and

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she said it like nearly rolled me out of my bed.

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And I forget which which I think it was. Yeah,

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I think she said it was on the bumper at

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the at the back. So anyway, so she was telling

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me about that, and she goes, what do I do?

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And I said, I don't know. I've watched some of

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these I've watched some of these big foot shows. And

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I said, some people say if you if you stack

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up three rocks, that it will you know, it'll basically

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mean you mean peace, and you know you don't want

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to be bothered anymore. And she said she did that

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and it stopped bothering her. And she said, then a

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few she said, I don't know, a few months later,

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maybe up to a year, she had a she had

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a wild pig come up to her porch with part

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of its face torn off, and I remember her sending

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me the pictures of it and it had gotten up

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on her porch and it and it had like knocked

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her rocks over, and so she started having problems again,

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and I said, well, you know what to do. I said,

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you know, you go out there and you said, if

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it's not bothering you, and you stack those rocks up.

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I said, you know, you need to go out and

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do it again. I said, you know, because if all

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the slapping on the side of your trailer and everything's

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starting up again, you know, go out there and stack

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those rocks up again. I said, you know, I don't

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know what else to tell you. So anyway, she did that,

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and she finally ended up selling her selling that and

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moving to Alabama.

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That's that's really incredible. That was East Texas.

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Yeah, wow, yeah, East Texas. And it wasn't very far

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from my house where my husband and I lived where

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the cats got drowned and uh and the what do

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you call those the goats got got massacred. It was probably, yeah, yep,

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probably fifteen minutes from there. And uh so, anyway, I

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have another sister, an older sister, who is also a

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twin to another twin. My mom had two sets of twins,

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And so she was she was sitting like it was

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after midnight, I don't know, twelve or one o'clock at

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one o'clock in the morning, and she's sitting in her

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spare room where her it's like got bunk beds in there,

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and when her grandkids come over to spend the weekend

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or whatever, you know, they sleep in that room. And

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that's also where her computer is. So she was telling

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me that if she called me camp one day and

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she was telling me that she was sitting in there

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at her computer and that all of a sudden she

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started hearing knocking on the window, she said. And I said,

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like knocking, like with somebody with knuckles, and she goes, absolutely,

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somebody with knuckles, just like they were knocking on your

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front door, somebody with knuckles. And I was like, oh

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my gosh, that's crazy. So, I don't know, probably a

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month or so passes by, and mix husband and I

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go up and we we booked to visit her and

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her husband. Oh, let me finish that story. I'm getting

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ahead of myself, okay. So she so, she she said

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that she she it scared her so bad. She jumped

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up and she ran in the bedroom and she was shaking.

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Her husband get up. There's somebody outside, and he goes,

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what do you mean. And he's like, She's like, well,

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somebody's out there knocking on my window. And he goes,

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it's nothing, it's nothing. Just go to bed. Just go

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to bed. So anyway, so then like a month or

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so later, Mike's husband and I go up there and

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we're we're visiting, and we you know, go out to

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eat with them, and you know, just kind of spend

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the day with them, and we I was asking her,

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I said, I said, you remember when you called me

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and you told me about and knocking on your window?

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And she said yeah, And I said, can you take

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me around and show me which window it was? And

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she's like yeah. So we go around there, and that window.

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I'm five foot four and that window just like the

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bottom of it hits me right about the very top

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of my forehead, around my hairline. And so I kind

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of figured that whatever it was was tall enough that

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it could see over the top part of that window

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and see her sitting at that desk, because it was

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knocking on that window and just just scared the scared

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the heck out of her. That. Like I said, I'm

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five four in that window. The bottom of it hit me.

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It's me around the forehead. So let's see. Uh okay,

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So I think I've told you that one and that one. Okay,

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So also you're gonna see I sent you two pictures

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of one has a motor coach in it and one

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has a picture of a bigfoot sitting on a tree

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with no legs. That belonged to my brother and my sister.

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That's on that same property where she was getting slapped

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on the likes the slapping and then something standing on

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her buffer raising up the front of her her travel trailer.

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That's that. That's that same piece of land. And you'll

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see there's like a motor home out there. And if

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you look up in the tree, she took pictures of

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a big foot sitting on a limb with no legs,

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and you can see you can see, uh, I know

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it's bad quality, but I used to have a better

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picture of that. But you can see it has no

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leg but you can see its back, you can see

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it's head. I mean, it's like to me, the ones

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that I've seen of that have been really really clear.

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The ones that she has, they were a lot more clear.

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So she got pictures. That same sister got pictures of

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that big foot up in that tree, and she said

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she has seen things out in the forest behind. They

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had a pretty good size parcel of land there too

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that she that they lived on. And so also down here,

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speaking of thinking about the chickens and stuff, again, I

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had like half of our shed is a chicken coop,

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half of it is a shed, and so it's like

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eight by eight for the chicken coop and eight for

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the shed where you store all the chicken feed and

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kind of all of those things. And so if you

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open the shed door you walk in and you'll see,

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and I've sent you a picture of this, there's like

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a hen gearbox. Like the chickens get up in there

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and they lay their eggs, and then you've got a

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little metal door that opens on the top and you

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can just pull all the eggs out. Well, to keep

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the chickens from getting out, we had to build a

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door like a put a piece of plywood across the

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top to you know, so the chickens wouldn't come through

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there or wouldn't get out, And so There's been times

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that I have gone into that chicken coop and I

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had no eggs. And remember I told you I had

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anywhere from forty to eighty chickens at any given time.

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I just you know, depending on when stuff got eight

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or my sonlet it so anyway, but we've always had

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a good amount of eggs. And for like weeks I

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would go down there there was no eggs, and that

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the door that you can see, like the little metal

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door that would be like left open. Whatever it was

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had hands and it would close the shed door back.

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But sometimes like I would like where the eggs are,

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and sometimes I would find eggs that have been taking

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out taken out of the hind gear box and taken

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outside of the shed and laid on the ground in

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front of the door like you would thought. You would

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have thought something dropped it, but it would have broke,

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so you know, it had to set those something whoever

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it was, whatever it was, set those eggs down there

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on the ground. And I had pictures of those, but

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those are all on my hard drive and I can't

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get those off of there anymore.

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Okay, So sorry, there's what I want to dress something

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real quick. I just saw the close up picture of

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the bigfoot above the motor home. That's really intense. I mean,

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you can she see sorry, you can see the definition

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of the shoulder in the arm. That's a wild picture.

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Yeah, yeah, she's had. She had a few others that

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she sent me that were on my hard drive that

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I just can't get access to. And the only reason

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I had this is because these were on my old phone,

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and when I got a new phone, I was able

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to transfer some of those pictures over from my phone,

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and but I but I can't. But some of those

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got left on my hard drive. So I apologize for that.

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But oh, I mean, no problem.

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I was.

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I don't know if you're still able to talk to her.

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I mean I can only I can't even imagine what

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a better quality version of that photo looks like. It's

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got to be intense.

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Yeah, it would be. I can ask her and see

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if she see if she has it.

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Yeah.

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So also with the chicken coop, they're like it has

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netting across the top so that no predators can get

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in there, no owls or hawks or you know, we

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had cooper hawks and owls and stuff killing our chickens

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there for a little while. So we had to buy

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a net to put over the top, and it's on

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there pretty darn good and we didn't really ever have

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any problems after that. But so one day I went

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down there to feed and I had roosters. It's the

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chicken run is divided, and it's a pretty big, pretty

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big chicken yard, and it's covered across the top and

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it's got i think the walls. On the sides of

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the fencing it was hog wire and then that's covered

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in chicken wire and then on top of that it's

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hardware cloth. Because we kept having predators biting heads off

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our chickens, so we had to keep keep reinforcing, you know,

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the wiring around them because you know, if a chicken

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sticks its head out and a weasel or something else

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gets it, you know. So anyway, we had to keep

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taking measures. Who fix to you know, predator proof our

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chicken thing. So we have we have it divided into half,

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and half of it on the left side is a

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bunch of roosters and they they have My son used

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to have this big canut of cane corso mastiff dog

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and she had this massive doghouse. So we on one

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side we have the doghouse, and on the other side

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we have chicken the hens where the hens can they

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can either get up under the chicken coop or walk

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up the little ladder and you know, go in there

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and sleep in the actual coop for the nut. So

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one day I walk down there and I'm I'm looking

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at the roosters and I just kind of glanced down

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and they're is scat inside the rooster pin and it's

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broken into half and each each half is like four

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or five inches long, and it's black. And so we

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have all of that protection around every wall. We have

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the top completely covered and nothing can get in and

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nothing can get out only through only through the gates.

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And there's two gates. So there's one gate that walks

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into the hens pin, and then if you walk all

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the way on the other side of the hens pin,

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there's the gate that goes into where the roosters are.

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No roosters were killed. Everything was just normal as it

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could be, except for there was some animals scat in there.

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And it was very long, but it was broken into

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two pieces. Like I said, each piece was probably four

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to five inches long. And I have I think I

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sent you a picture of that and so my sister, uh,

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the one that was lived in East Texas that she

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now lives in Alabama, and she's had some weird stuff

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happened there to at least one thing that I remember,

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but there was what do you call it? There was

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a her idea because I couldn't figure out how it

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got in there, because what kind of animal can get

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in there and go to the bathroom and then get

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back out when you only have to go through a

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gate or two gates to get in there. And so anyway,

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she said that she thinks that the juvenile sasquatch that's

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been messing with the yarn, that's been doing the rocks

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behind the truck that had the little footprints down there

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and down behind where we parked the vehicles and stuff

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everything down in there, she thinks that maybe it found

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that or or it came from that and it picked

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it up and threw it through the fence to feed

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it to the chickens or to the roosters. That's just

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as good a theory as any because I really can't

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explain it. And I talked to my sons about it.

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My sons are in their forties, and you know, it's

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it's like you know, my oldest son said, well, maybe

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a big cat or a coady or something climbed on

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top of the chicken coop and shed and hung it's

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behind off the over the edge and just went to

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the bathroom like that. And I was like, well, I

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guess that's I don't know how it would get up

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there or get down, but I guess that's just as

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plausible as anything else, because I can't explain it and

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I don't know how it happened. So the next thing

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that happened, so I'm sitting in my bedroom and I'm

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looking out, and I had some little hens that were

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getting bullied by all the other chickens and they're like

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getting their feathers plucked out and everything. So I went

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in and got them and I built this little what

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you call it chicken tractor. It's just like a little

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square framed thing with hardware cloth all the way around

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it and a door that opens on the top. And

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so anyway, I was trying to let these hens heal

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a little bit. And so I kind of have a routine.

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I get up every morning, I open my blinds, I

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have my coffee. Well, one morning I look out and

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there is a black creature, and I sent you that picture.

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There's a black creature bent over and I had this

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tarp over the top of this little chicken tractor and

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so the so by the time I opened the blinds

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and saw it, the tarp had already been moved and

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this thing was bent over looking inside. And I did

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take my I took a picture of it with my

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phone because I was like, what in the world is that?

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And so and so. Then I kind of took that

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picture and I zoomed in on it. I got my

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shoes on and was running downstairs as fast as I could.

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And by the time I got out the door, it

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was gone. But I wanted to make sure that I

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got a picture of it before I left. But anyway,

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by the time I got down there, it was gone.

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And I don't know what that was, but you can

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see it has a horrible, evil, wicked looking head on it,

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like a devil or something to me, So.

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It's a it's a darker creature to the right of

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the tarp, right, Yep.

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You can see it kind of bent over looking looking

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in there. Wow. And so yeah, it had moved the

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tarf and was looking up under there at the chickens.

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So I don't know, you know, I always I always

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hear everybody ask what do you think it is? What

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is it? What do you think it is? You know?

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And you know, I my brain was in so many

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different directions. It's like part of me thinks, well, maybe

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it is a multi dimensional being and it's you know

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this or that. But then I go, well, I don't know.

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It eats, It eats animals, and it eats you know,

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it kills deer, and it takes the deer away from

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the hunters, and it, you know, does all of these

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you know, things that are more of a physical being,

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not a multi dimensional being. And then you know, then

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I go, well, is it an aplom can they? Can

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they be one one type of being one time and

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then go to a physical being the next time? You know?

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I hope that makes sense.

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No, No, I totally get it. There's something I want

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to ask you real quick. You mentioned that you've had

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a telepathy experience. Has that happened more than once at

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that property?

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That's my one and only time in my whole life. Wow,

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nothing nothing before that and nothing after that. But all

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it said was look up in the trees. And so

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that was the only only time. Okay, So when I

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was when I was probably eleven or twelve, my sisters

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had and their husbands they were friends with a man

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that worked with their husbands. They all worked at the

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same company, and so they all kind of made friends

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over the years. She was telling me about being like,

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she's her family went camping and they had a they

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had like a uh like one of the uh what

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do you call those travel trailer? So they had a

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travel trailer and uh they part they would go take

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their kids camping at the lake every year. And I

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don't remember some lake here in Texas. I don't remember

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which one. Could have been Lake Texas home, I just

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don't remember. But because we all live in the same area,

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you know. And so anyways, was telling me that they

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went camping and that she was, you know, it was

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her time of the month and she was having cramps,

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and the rest of her family, her mom and dad

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and her siblings, they all were going to go walk

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around the lake, and so she didn't feel good, so

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she was going to stay in the trailer. And she

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said after her parents or her family had been gone,

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you know, twenty or thirty minutes or something, she said

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she could hear the door knob on the travel trailer

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wiggling back and forth, and she was like thought, you know,

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it was a human, and that somebody was fixing to

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come in and fixing to come in and hurt her.

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And so she was small enough. I don't remember how

463
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:47.720
old she said she was at the time, but she

464
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.599
was small enough she could get up under one of

465
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.559
the cabinets or in one of the cabinets, and so

466
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.279
she said this, she said, an actual bigfoot came inside.

467
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:01.200
And it was just like patient up down, back and forth,

468
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:05.359
back and forth in the on the floor in the middle.

469
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:07.799
You know how they like you have like a table

470
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.079
on one side and a capped on the other side. Well, anyway,

471
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.359
that there was like this little hall through there, for

472
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:17.400
lack of better words, she had this little thing through

473
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.839
the and it just kept pacing back and forth, up,

474
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.279
back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and

475
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.039
it finally went, I guess it couldn't find her. And

476
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.039
it finally left, and she jumped up and locked the

477
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.160
door and stuff when it was gone. And when her

478
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.359
parents got back, she was so terrified. She just she

479
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:38.440
just wanted all she wanted to do was go home.

480
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.440
And I think I remember her telling me nobody believed

481
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:48.359
her either. So also, during the time that we had

482
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.200
the house built here and my son, you know, they

483
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:55.119
were clearing land for ponds and doing all these other things. Well,

484
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.680
one of the one of the pieces of heavy equipment

485
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:03.559
broke down, and so a guy from Caterpillar came up

486
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:10.079
here and he was working on it, and I had

487
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.440
to leave and go into town. So I was like, oh, gosh,

488
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.160
I'm going to be so embarrassed having to mention this

489
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.279
to him, but you know, it's probably better that I

490
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.680
say something than not say something. So anyway, I drove

491
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.279
down to the back of the property where he was

492
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:31.720
working on this broken down piece of equipment, and I said, Hey,

493
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.279
how you doing And he's like, oh, I'm good. Good,

494
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:36.640
And I said, well, I just wanted to tell you

495
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:40.240
that I'm fixing to go into town and there won't

496
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:43.640
be anybody here. But I said, the reason I'm telling

497
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.559
you this is because we've had some really weird things

498
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.839
happening here. And I said, I just wanted to tell

499
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.400
you so you can kind of be on alert, you know,

500
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.319
and be aware of your surroundings. And he's like, well,

501
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.200
what are you talking about and I said, I said,

502
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:03.119
we've seen big foot here. We've seen other creatures. I said,

503
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.359
we don't really know what they all are. I said,

504
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.119
but I just wanted to, you know, I just wanted

505
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.920
to let you know so you can kind of be

506
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.240
aware of your surroundings and you know, if you see

507
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.440
something moving or whatever, you know, just you know, just

508
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.160
be aware that some weird things have happened around here.

509
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.200
And I just wanted to, you know, let you know

510
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.400
so you you know, so you can kind of keep

511
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.880
an eye out, you know, and be safe. And he's like, oh,

512
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.640
I appreciate that, and he goes, he goes, really, I

513
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.799
saw a big foot and I said, yeah, we've seen

514
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.279
a few of them. And he said, well, I was going,

515
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.839
he said, I'll tell you this. He said, my friend,

516
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.640
my friend works for one of those companies that I like,

517
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.200
the Laboratory, and they collect snake venom. He said, So

518
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.200
my friend goes and collects all these poisonous snakes all

519
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.960
around Texas and then he takes them and then they

520
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.359
they get all of the venom out of the fans,

521
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.960
and then he takes some back out and then he

522
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.359
releases them back out in the wild. He said. So

523
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.960
one night I go with him and you know, we're

524
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.799
walking along and he said he's got his got his

525
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.960
flashlight out, and he said there was this part of

526
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.279
the trail and he said it just kind of dropped

527
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.359
off like he said, like I don't know, three or

528
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.480
four foot or something, and he said, he said, he shine.

529
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.519
He said this thing was standing right where it dropped off,

530
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.200
and he said it had to be over ten foot

531
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.200
tall because when he shined a flashlight on it, he said,

532
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.000
he could just like shine up, like, you know, like

533
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.880
at first he may have been shining on his chest

534
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.680
or something because they were on the higher ground and

535
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.119
it was standing down below. So he was telling trying

536
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.440
to explain to me that he went the friend went

537
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.160
up with the flashlight until he got to this thing's

538
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.920
face and he said they both saw it and took

539
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.839
off running, and he said it scared the heck out

540
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.559
of He says, I know they exist. I've seen it

541
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:08.319
myself now. So that was that was the experience with

542
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:13.000
the caterpillar. Grid the technician. So, I have a younger

543
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:17.480
sister and we have this multure and we all these trees.

544
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:18.880
We were trying to figure out what to do with

545
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:20.720
all of them. So Mike's husband he goes and he

546
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.160
buys this this maulture, and so you know, they feed

547
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.079
all these tree loombs and things into the into this

548
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.519
multure and we you know, let the let it sit

549
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.079
for a few years and make you know, composts for

550
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.880
the garden. Or we sometimes we take big bucket loads

551
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:39.839
of it with the skid steer and we drop it

552
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.000
over into the we pull back the netting and we

553
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:44.640
put it in there for the chickens and they pick

554
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.319
through it and get the bugs out and all that. Well. Anyway,

555
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.759
so she, my sister, was working on her garden. I

556
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:59.359
think it was two years ago. It made me last year, actually, yeah,

557
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:03.519
I think it was like and so so we're all

558
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.680
standing down at the pond and which is down by

559
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.640
the chicken coop, and we're just kind of looking over,

560
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.920
you know, the pond, and all of a sudden, this

561
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:15.279
it's like a small tree lamb and it are a

562
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.519
really big stick and it just comes flying over all

563
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.720
three of our heads and the lands in the lands

564
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.480
in the pond, and you can hear this thing going

565
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.519
like that, and it was thrown with some force, and

566
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.359
we all just like turned around and started looking. Of course,

567
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.759
you know, there's a lot of trees and stuff. We

568
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.359
don't know where it came from, but this thing flew

569
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.440
over our heads and landed right in the pond.

570
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:46.279
And sorry, real quick, the noise that you just made,

571
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:51.480
was that the noise of whatever through it, or the

572
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.240
noise of it like going over and over in the air.

573
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.200
Yeah, yeah, the noise of it going over and over

574
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:02.559
in there. Okay, So in Oklahoma, my brother in law

575
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.240
grew up in Oklahoma, and they lived, I think he said,

576
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:11.799
either near the Kamishie Mountains or in the Kamie Shee Mountains.

577
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.480
But anyway, his mother was I can't remember if he

578
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.359
was said. I think he said he was a teenager.

579
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.160
But his mother was standing in the kitchen and she

580
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.240
was cooking dinner, and their back door flies open, and

581
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.960
then a bigfootsteps inside, and he's standing there looking at

582
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.240
the mother, and the mother's looking at him, and he

583
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:36.079
just glances down and sees a canister a flower sitting

584
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.640
on the counter, and he just grabs that canister a

585
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:40.960
flower and runs back out the back, runs back out

586
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.519
the door. So that was what happened with my brother

587
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:50.599
in law, and so They never gave me a description

588
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.680
of what it looked like, and I never even thought

589
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.400
to ask. But but his mother has been long gone,

590
00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:00.240
But I guess I guess I should have thought to

591
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.680
ask back then. But my dad, Uh. The next stories

592
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.639
that I have are from Arkansas. And my dad was

593
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.639
born in nineteen fifteen, and so he was I think

594
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.960
he was like seventeen or eighteen during the Great Depression,

595
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:21.000
and so he and his brother they had they were moonshiners.

596
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.480
They had like three or four hundred acres in Girden, Arkansas,

597
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.280
and it was down by the watch The Watchita River

598
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:33.159
ran through their their place in Gurdon, Arkansas. And so

599
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.599
one of the experiences was they had a cabin down

600
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:41.360
by the river that they had, like you know, they

601
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:46.199
would stay down there sometimes at night. And they got

602
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.000
up one morning and opened up the door and was

603
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.559
just walking out, you know, to go tender their fields.

604
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:57.079
And they're they're still and there was an auburn colored

605
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.280
big foot standing in the front yard and or walking

606
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.559
across the front yard of this of this cabin. And

607
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.760
so there was another time that they they were I

608
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.079
don't think they had gone into the cabin yet that

609
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.199
they were out. They had like a one of those

610
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:23.400
cast iron Dutch ovens on a campfire, and they were

611
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:27.760
making beef stew, and they had horses, and they had

612
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:33.840
their dogs there and let's see, he said that they

613
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.159
could hear this thing walking towards them, and it was

614
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.320
just like laying over trees, like like a bulldozer, like damn,

615
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.559
damn bam, you know, just laying over these trees. And

616
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.840
he said it got close to them. Their dogs started

617
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.440
barking and ran off, and then their heart their horses

618
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.960
were wearing up, and he said they he took the hand,

619
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.239
the little wire handle that goes on those Dutch ovens,

620
00:35:58.280 --> 00:35:59.840
and he just kind of stuck it up in a

621
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:03.599
tree over a over a where a tree lamb used

622
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.639
to be or something, or on a tree lamb. I

623
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:11.280
forgot what he said, but anyway, they were looking and

624
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:15.280
seeing this dark figure coming out of the trees on

625
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.280
the I think he said from the other side of

626
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.239
the river. I'm trying to recall. But and then they

627
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.559
got on their horses and they rode away. And they

628
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:29.400
come back the next morning and this this thing of

629
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:33.400
beef stew was already like it had sat there and

630
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:38.159
ate the whole thing of beef stew. So that was

631
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:42.440
that and then I have uh, that was the two

632
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.880
things that happened to my dad down to Watchita River.

633
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.239
And then my my sister lives in Alabama and she moved.

634
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.960
She moved there probably I'm gonna say about three or

635
00:36:54.000 --> 00:37:00.719
four years ago, and she started attending a like a

636
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.719
church there, and the minister came and his wife came

637
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.400
over to visit her, and he was telling her the

638
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.239
story about how he likes to go kayaking in the

639
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:19.360
bay there, uh near where where she lives. And so

640
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:25.000
because her proper the property with her family there, it's

641
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.480
the back of their property backs up to the bay.

642
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.880
And she was telling me that he told her that

643
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.199
he was carrying his canoe and he was walking down

644
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.480
this trail to get to the water, and two men

645
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.360
come running past him going the other direction, and they

646
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.760
were telling him that there he needs to turn around

647
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:48.159
and leave because there's a creature down there and it

648
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.880
has it has he says that they has a more

649
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.079
of a human body, but it has a dog's head

650
00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:00.559
and so yeah, and so they that's the were running

651
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.760
past him and telling him don't go down there, don't

652
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:08.079
go down there. So that was another thing that happened

653
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.679
to my sister, the one that lived in the travel

654
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:14.119
trailer in East Texas that had all that stuff off.

655
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.840
And so last year, I'm gonna tell you last year,

656
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.760
some stuff happened to me. I lived in Washington State

657
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:27.480
last year and with my boyfriend, and we had some

658
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:31.519
strange things happening there. Like one morning, I got up

659
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.880
and I went outside with my coffee, and I just

660
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.440
it's just so beautiful there. I just love it there.

661
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.199
And I would get my coffee and I would go

662
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.440
and just sit on the ride and mower and I

663
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.320
would just listen to the birds and play with our dog.

664
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.519
Plus you know, the neighbor's dogs would come over and

665
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.960
play all the time. And so I was sitting on

666
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.880
the moor and I heard a tree knock, and I

667
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.880
was like, traina because my boyfriend's land it sloped down

668
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.199
like he was on a mountain and it sloped down

669
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.679
and then it dropped off into a deep canyon, and

670
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:10.320
so so I was and then on the other side

671
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.960
of the canyon is like this great, big, huge, tall

672
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.000
cliff and there's like nothing on the other side of that.

673
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.920
It's just like a giant wall and if that makes

674
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.280
any sense, like you can just look and it's just

675
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:29.320
like a wall. So Cliff, Yeah, and so, so I

676
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.239
was hearing wood knocks and I was like, oh, my gosh,

677
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:33.960
is that a wood knock? So I jump off the

678
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.400
mower and I'm trying to get my phone open and

679
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.960
putting in my pass code and doing all this stuff,

680
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.920
trying to get my phone, get the camera going, and

681
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.679
finally I start recording and I start getting these woodknocks

682
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.119
and it was really really good ones. I don't know

683
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:50.719
if you had a chance to listen to that one,

684
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.360
if you look been real close, you'll hear something go

685
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.599
err like that, like a I don't know if you

686
00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:00.639
would call it a gurgle or a oh what do

687
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.239
they call that? It's not a it's not a growl,

688
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:10.079
it's not a it's like a what do they call that? Oh?

689
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:12.480
I forgot, but you could hear you could hear this

690
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:17.480
thing make a make a kind of a weird noise

691
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.599
while it's tree knocking down there. You can actually hear

692
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:26.960
like some kind of weird vocalization. And so, and then

693
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:29.599
another morning I got up and I went outside and

694
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.320
there was like five or six apples in the driveway,

695
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.280
and every one of them had like half of it

696
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.400
bitten off. And I was like, we don't have apple

697
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.920
trees and our you know, we go over and and

698
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.320
we hang out with the neighbors, and they don't have

699
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.840
apple trees, you know, so we don't. We didn't. I

700
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.920
didn't know where the apples came from. So when my

701
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:54.079
boyfriend woke up, I got up early, usually in my

702
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.360
early birds, so I went so I when he came outside,

703
00:40:58.400 --> 00:40:59.719
I was showing him. I said, do you see all

704
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.639
these apples in the driveway And he's like, yeah, where

705
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.280
this come from? I said, I don't know. We don't

706
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.400
have apple trees, and he goes, yeah, the neighbors don't

707
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.360
have any either. I was like, yeah, I know, right,

708
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:12.079
and so we're just kind of standing there scratch our heads.

709
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.760
He goes, I know what half of that? So what

710
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.440
he goes, I think that. I think that there were

711
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.400
like five or six deer and they were all walking

712
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.960
and they were carrying these apples in their mouth, and

713
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.719
then when a car came up the road, the car

714
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:29.280
scared them and they all dropped their apples and they

715
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.119
all took off front end. And I said, I don't

716
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.639
think deer run with apples in their mouth, and I

717
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.679
don't think. I don't think deer buy the apples in

718
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:41.800
half and throw them on the ground. So anyway, that

719
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.840
was a couple of things that happened while I was there.

720
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.519
So when I got back home, my boyfriend calls me

721
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.760
up and he's like, hey, baby, guess what. I said.

722
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.800
What he goes, I saw two bigfoots. I was like, no,

723
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.440
you did it, and he goes, yeah, I did. He goes,

724
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.000
I think you. I think you brought them with you.

725
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.679
He said, because I've lived here all my life, and

726
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.519
I've lived in this house for at least thirty years.

727
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.440
And he said, I've never seen anything. I've never seen

728
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:10.000
anything like that ever before. And he said, I said, well, really,

729
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.159
what happened? He goes, well, he goes, you know how

730
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:15.320
they lifted that burn ban and you know, we finally

731
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.760
were able to start burning some of our brush. He said, well,

732
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.360
I had started a fire, and I kept, you know,

733
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.679
all day long and into the evening. I kept putting

734
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.880
brush in this pile so I could get it all burnt.

735
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:30.599
And he said, about two o'clock in the morning, I

736
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:32.639
was like, wow, I better go down there and check

737
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.039
on that fire and make sure, you know, I don't

738
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.400
catch the neighbor's house on fire or something. You know,

739
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.719
he just wanted to go down and you know, just

740
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.199
kind of keeping on things. So he goes down there,

741
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.880
and he's got his flash light and his dog, and

742
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.920
he walks up to the fire and he shines a

743
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:54.920
slash light and he starts seeing four red eyes. And

744
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:58.599
he said, I knew what they were, he said, And

745
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:03.039
I said, well, I said, well, about how big were they?

746
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.280
And he goes, they were probably ever a bit of

747
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.159
seven or eight foot tall. And I said, well, how

748
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.320
far apart were they? And he goes, they were probably

749
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:11.639
from shoulder to shoulder. They were about to foot apart.

750
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.880
And I said, well, what'd you do? And he goes,

751
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:18.039
I started yelling at him, get out of here, get

752
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.079
out of here. And I said, so did they go?

753
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.480
And he goes, no, they just kept standing there near

754
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.679
the fire. And he said I could see him standing

755
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.119
by the fire, and you know, and they and I

756
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.719
just kept yelling and yelling and they wouldn't go. And

757
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:32.559
he said, I said, so would you do? And he goes.

758
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:34.239
I ran in the house and I got my pistol,

759
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.280
and I came back out and got a better flashlight.

760
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:40.840
And I said, well, then what and he said, well,

761
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.519
they were still there, and he said, I was yelling

762
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.480
at him, and you better go on, don't have a pistol,

763
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:48.760
you better go, you better go. And he said, they

764
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.159
just stood there and stared at me with those red eyes,

765
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.519
and they wouldn't you know, they wouldn't they wouldn't go.

766
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.719
And I said, you should up just left them alone

767
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.599
and just went and stayed in the house. And I said,

768
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.760
because you know, that's really dangerous to go down there

769
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.880
like that. And he took the took the pistol and

770
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.360
he just like started kind of shooting. He wasn't shooting

771
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.239
at them, but he was just kind of shooting to

772
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.800
get them to leave. And I don't know how he

773
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.159
didn't wake up all the neighbors because he was just

774
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.239
like frantic shooting. And he just kept yelling at him

775
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.360
and yelling at him and shooting and shooting. And I mean,

776
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.519
he probably was using his little twenty two, but it

777
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.960
was still loud. You know, he had these little twenty

778
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:37.440
two pistols. And so anyway, he said he just kept

779
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.320
yelling at him and yelling at him, and they just

780
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.480
kept standing there, and he said, finally they both started walking,

781
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.559
and they walked up the hill where the house was

782
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.039
and towards the cars where you know, like where he

783
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:54.119
has his car's park. So anyway, he walked up the

784
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.159
they just he said, they walked so slow. It was

785
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.760
almost like they were gliding. It was just so slow.

786
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.440
And so anyway, he couldn't believe it. And he's like,

787
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.000
I just I think you brought them here with you.

788
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.719
And I said, what are you saying, Because I'm saying

789
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:12.880
you brought them here with you because I never had

790
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.280
him here before. And I said, I bet you did,

791
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.440
and you just didn't notice. I said, because you know,

792
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.960
I mean, if you pair that with that pile apples,

793
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.519
and then you pair it with me recording the wood

794
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:27.199
knockings that I showed you that I recorded, I said,

795
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:33.840
you know, they were probably there all along. And so anyway,

796
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.519
that was kind of that was kind of all that

797
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:44.880
happened with him there. But his dad, before he died

798
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:48.599
last year, was living up in Olympia, and I think

799
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.639
he said a few years before his dad died, he

800
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.079
said his his dad was like leaving their house to

801
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:03.119
leaving his house to drive into down and his dad

802
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:07.280
like had a beach house there and so he drove

803
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:11.000
up to uh was driving into town to get some stuff,

804
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.000
and he said he was just kind of on the

805
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.320
dirt road and looked and kind of looked up and

806
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:17.960
you know, looking at his rear view, Mira, and he

807
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.199
said it one and one of them just like went

808
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.880
walking right behind him and he could see it in

809
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:29.239
his rearview, Mira. So and that was up in Olympia.

810
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.800
So I think that is everything I have now. And

811
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.000
like I said, I've I've talked for the sheriff about it.

812
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.280
I've talked to the sheriff's wife about it, and you know,

813
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:47.199
they've they've said people they said people have also reported

814
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:50.000
some strange things. And you know, when my son put

815
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.840
up these cameras all over the property, I forget to

816
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:57.280
tell you this one, but something set off one of

817
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.400
the cameras in the driveway and you don't see anything,

818
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.199
but you hear a grunt. That's what I was trying

819
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.079
to tell you. That at the would not on, that

820
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.239
would not video. If you listen to it, you'll hear

821
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.920
the grunt. It's a grunt. I couldn't think of it. Okay, anyway,

822
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:20.440
that's pretty much all I have. I guess that's probably enough.

823
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.000
That's I mean, this is absolutely incredible. The amount of

824
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:29.920
encounters that you have gathered from across the country over

825
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.840
the years is very, very impressive. You have some some

826
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.920
very cool connections. I mean just just in your relatives really,

827
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:41.599
but we've got to keep in touch with stuff that

828
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.199
happens down there. I'm just I'm blown away by that,

829
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:48.239
the stuff that you have going on there. But I mean,

830
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.639
thank you so much for taking your time this afternoon

831
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.199
to share. And I would say, you know, the stories

832
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:01.320
you shared, even the relatives, I don't know if they

833
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:04.880
would ever need to talk to anyone, but I mean

834
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.679
anyone that you've been, that you know that has had

835
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:12.320
some things happen, you're more than welcome to pass on

836
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.760
my info if they need someone to talk to about it.

837
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.679
But yeah, I just thank you so much for coming

838
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.639
on the show. We'll definitely keep in touch. It sounds

839
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.159
like you've got wild stuff going on and I'd love

840
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.159
to hear more about it. But thank you so much

841
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:28.639
for hanging out today, Debra.

842
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.480
You're welcome. Jeremiah, thanks for having me on.

843
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:33.159
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

844
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:34.960
truly for listening to this episode of the Big for

845
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.599
Society podcast. Deborah's story reminds us why East Texas is

846
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.559
one of the most active and chilling bigfoot hotspots around.

847
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.239
So huge thanks to Deborah for sharing not just one story,

848
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.039
but a lifetime of experience that leave no doubt that

849
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:49.559
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00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.039
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867
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868
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.400
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869
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.159
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870
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