"The Tremblay Files: Investigating Arizona's Bigfoot, Hyena Dogman, and the Enigma of Skinwalkers"

0:00 I'm looking like, what is this because it seems like a really tall human, about six and a half feet tall. When the lights hit what was back there? It wasn't a human, that wasn't a mountain lioned. It was something that looked distinctly hyena. So I'm looking at this and I'm like, there's no hyenas in Arizona. It sees me that's staring me right in the eyes. Then it suddenly charges forward about three feet and it stops on a dime, and I'm frozen and terror at dispoint the things staring at me, and it stands up and I hear this a loud pop as it reaches its arms up and it grabs a branch and it just sits there, staring at me. And in the lights, I can see its ears going up and down. Its head is moving side to side, like I can see its lips moving up and down. I can see its nostrils moving. It starts to back away, but it's keeping me in. It's a line of sight. It's got its body tilted. Its eyes are right on me, but it's got its body curve so it can walk away. I watch it walk away, and it goes down the Hill into the river bed. Either you're listening to the Big Fat Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron, and every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continuing to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Pay for Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right.

1:41 Big for Society got the privilege of talking to mister Ryan Trembley. He's a gentleman that I've been meeting to talk to for a while, but I'm so glad that he's on the show today. How's it going, Ryan, It's going really well. Man. It's been a busy week, but I am still functioning at full operations. Awesome. And to let the listeners know you are a researcher and also an artist, which is a very cool combination. Oh very much. I get to combine cryptids with my art and make some really cool stuff. That's fantastic. And let's chat about So how did you get into cryptis? What's your origin story when it comes to being involved and researching all the different cryptids. I grew up as a monster kid. My dad was a big monster fan, so he introduced me to Universal Monsters, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Wolfman, Frankenstein, and that became a staple.

2:35 You know, every single day I was watching a different monster movie. And of course I'm a huge Godzilla and Gamera fan no pun intended, So monsters are part of my everyday life. But when I was seven, my dad sat me down to watch the Patterson Gimlin film and I think with a lot of enthusiasts, that was really the diving board for us. That's what really got us into it. So we dove into this subject and it was just took off from there. That's awesome. That on an in search of or anything that you remember, Yeah, it was with Leonard Nimoy. Remember the show that Leonard Nimoy had, Absolutely it was. Yeah, So I was introduced to that film with Leonard Nimoy's voice, and I was just hooked. That was it. The minute I watched that, I was like, Oh, my goodness, there's something in the woods. I'm gonna find it.

3:20 That's awesome. We had a very similar experience, for sure. I remember seeing that in the same exact show and then being like looking around and being like, why isn't everyone else freaking out about this? Yeah? I couldn't figure it out. Young Ryan was sitting here going, how come everybody's sitting in the living room and not going out in the woods looking for Patty? What's going on here? So my dad told me study research and get out in those woods and look, Oh, exactly exactly. We had talked about your home base of research. But have you always been in Have you always been in the southwest of the US? No? Actually, I grew up in Massachusetts. Oh. I was surround by woods everywhere. As a young boy that was into monsters like this, there was plenty of trees and everything for me to climb and water, wilderness to go and explore. And at that young age, every noise was a big foot. But hear a branch fall and I was like, oh, there's Bigfoot. What part of mass did you grow up in. I lived in Southbridge, I lived in Charlton, and for a brief time I lived in Wisser. Okay, cool.

4:24 Cool. So you were kind of on the eastern side of the state. Correct, very cool. Yeah, I grew up on the western Western Mass over near Northfield. Oh I've been there, Okay, Yeah, Franklin County and we got some Yeah, you go out in the woods out there, and yeah, you were definitely growing up in a very interesting state for Bigfoot. I wasn't in told yet, I was growing up to the point where I was going out in the woods yet. That came later. But yeah, definitely Western Mass That is a cool connection that we have. Yeah, when I was twelve, my dad actually took me to Dover, mass because of the Dover Demon. I actually got to see the wall where they had cited the Dover Demon. Originally. He just provoked my love for CRYPTI.

5:15 It's all he could. That is really cool. Did you ever go up to America's Stonehenge up in New Hampshire. I didn't know. I didn't make it that far, but some day off on my popyl list. Definitely check it out. It's a weird stones lined up with the equinoxes and all this weird stuff. It's very interesting. But ran a few people started dropping your name in different messages after I started talking about to give people a little bit of backstory credit where credit is due, of course. Cryptids Are the Corn podcast released a episode about hyenas, how they are seen around different places of North America and how they could actually be some of the dog Man sightings, and it was just a fascinating episode. If you haven't listened to it, I would recommend all listeners go listen to. I'll have the link in the show notes. But a lot of people started contacting me and they were like, you need to talk to Ryan because he's had a very interesting account and an encounter that you might be interested in if you're looking into that as well. Oh yes, yeah, I assured it, and it's something that I have never ever forgotten. I don't think I ever will. Would you be able to share that on the show tonight. Absolutely, I can go right into it if you'd like, Absolutely, let's go for it. It happened about three years ago, and it's funny in October because it happened in

6:47 October. But a friend of mine and his wife. They were going away on vacation, so I was asked the house sit for them, and what I would do is I would go in the morning. I'd go in the afternoon. I had a late night trip that I would take about midnight, and that would be my final checkup for the day. And on this particular night, when I was going up about midnight, maybe a little bit later, I noticed that the coyotes in the surrounding area, they sounded really nervous. And if you've ever been around coyotes before, they have a very distinct cry when they're on the hunt. But this night, they actually really sounded like they were scared. And I didn't really pay much mind to it. I just figured there was maybe another pack that was rivaling them out there, and so I was just I continued my way up to my friend's backyard, and he has a driveway that kind of curls around to the back, so I was walking alongside that and nothing unusual was happening. But as I got closer to the back, I noticed this really pungent odor. And the only way I can describe this is like feces urine, body sweat and rotting meat.

7:50 Okay, Now, in my mind this was maybe roadkill. So again I paid no real mind to this. But as I'm venturing further into the back, I noticed there's something moving around. I can hear something or somebody moving about. Now, he lived near riverbeds, and in that part of the town where we lived in there was a lot of homeless people, so I thought maybe it was a vagrant trying to creep onto his property. In me, being only five nine, I figured it's time to go into defense mode. So I puff up my chest, I make my arms stiff and rigid, and I go and it goes completely quiet. So I keep continuing along my way, and again I hear the noises of something making very heavy footsteps. So again I stop in my place and I just go away.

8:37 This time, Jeremiah, it wasn't silence that I was met with. It was a very deep, resonating grell that I could feel in my chest and I felt like my bones, like my rib cage was vibrating, and it stunned me. For a minute. I didn't know what this was, so I thought maybe a bear. But then logical brain kicked in said there's no bears in this part of Arizona. So then it went to mountain lion. But the thing is, this didn't sound like a mountain lion growl. They have a very distinct growl. So I just kept going forward into the backyard, and that's when I noticed there was something moving right in his backyard where the tree line was, and so I stopped and I'm looking like, what is this because it seemed like a really tall human, about maybe six six and a half feet tall, Okay, And what happened is the security lights in the back clicked on and when the lights hit what was a back there, Jamia. It wasn't a human, it wasn't a mountain lion. It was something that looked distinctly hyena. So I'm looking at this and I'm like, there's no hyenas in Arizona. What is this thing? And I'm I'm scared because I see what looks just like a hyena and it sees me.

9:43 I can see its eyes fixed right on my eyes. It's staring me right in the eyes. And nothing happens for a brief moment, but then it suddenly charges forward about three feet and it just it stops on a dime and I'm frozen and tarr at this point, I'm just I'm not gonna move. I'm not gonna get it even and the thing staring at me, and it stands up, and I hear this a loud pop as it reaches its arms up and it grabs a branch and it just sits there, staring at me, and in the lights, I can see its ears going up and down. Its head is moving side to side like a curious dog would do. And I'm just I'm trying to figure out what am I looking at. This can't be a hyaena, but what is this thing? And I'm just I'm not moving. I'm not going to run, and it keeps staring at me, and just I can see its lips moving up and down. I can see its nostrils moving, and then finally it starts to back away, very slowly, but it's keeping me in it's a line of sight, so it's got its body tilted so its eyes are right on me, but it's got its body curve so it can walk away. I watch it walk away and it goes down the hill into the riverbed. And the minute it's out of sight, man, I had rockets in my shoes. I'm running up the stairs at my friend's house. I'm locking all his doors, I'm bolting his windows, and I'm opening his kitchen drawers looking for knives. And I call him up and I was like, is there something you're not telling me?

11:01 Man, there's a hyena in your backyard. And he thinks I'm crazy. He's like, there's no hyenas in Arizona. Ryan this so whatever you saw, it wasn't a hyena. And that clicked with me. I'm thinking, all right, it wasn't a hyaena, but what was it? So I started looking into Linda Godfrey's work and I read that some people had seen bipedal hyenas, and right there that's when I knew. I saw a dog man. That's incredible. A bipedal Wow, Oh my goodness. Do you mind if I ask you some questions about that fire away? Okay? What were the finding features that you saw that made you think, oh, this is a hyaena When you looked at the creature? The mean things that said hyena to me were the shape of the snout, the squareness of the head, the roundness of the ears, and the long neck that it had. Okay, was there anything how was so if you look at an action hyena, they have that characteristic slope, right, Was there anything like that was built into the creature at all? Oh yeah, definitely. Most definitely when it was on two legs, when it was standing up, I could see that it had that slope going on, and it had the little toughs of fur ring along the back. Very interesting. Was there any kind of pattern?

12:22 Yeah, oh yeah. It definitely had the spots that you would see with a spotted hyena. It had that kind of thing, and it had the like a caramel color to its fur. Interesting, there was. I've gotten a few emails, as I would guess that you have in this. One listener asked me this. He brought up this where it's like he brought up the point whereas if there's stripes on it. I think he said, if there's stripes on it, then that is indicative of more of an extinct hyena that would be that lived in North America a long time ago. And I was like, oh, that's fascinating. Yeah. I did speak to Ken Gearhart sometime back about this, and he thought maybe it was one of those prehistoric hyenas as well. You know, Oh, no, definitely not.

13:09 How did you after you had this sighting? Were what was your thinking after that? Did it take weeks to try to work through what you saw or how was your internal monologue after you saw this. I was actually convinced that I was crazy because I knew hyenas aren't in Arizona. But I was also afraid so going out and taking the trash out at night, or even walking my dog at night. I was convinced that when I went around a corner or anywhere where there was a lot of trees, this thing was going to be right there. So it took me a long time where I had to just sit and accept what I saw. I had to read the stories of other people that saw something similar to you. I wasn't crazy, and I had to reassure myself that no, it's not going to be hunting you, it's not going to be coming after you. You have to be calm and logical about this. But it took me at least three maybe four weeks and want to go outside again. Wow, this is a topic where it's not the main topic I look into. It's become like a almost a side quest in a way. And I will say that I'm not going to really say why right now, but it may become a little bit more of a side quest as if you continue to listen listeners, you'll get it in a little bit. But it's just it's such a fascinating topic. And I'm sure it sounds like you've read the books you've talked to people. Have there been other sightings of creatures that look like bipedal hyenas in different parts of the US that

14:41 you've heard of. Yeah, Actually there was more in the town that I was living in. Because once I got over the fear and I decided that I wanted answers, I started going around and looking for clues. I would investigate the hills and the valleys we had and go up into the smaller mountains. And what happened is one time when I was doing an investigation, I caupong this dirt mound. It was like a shrine, almost made of mud and sand. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And it was a staircase that was leading up to a silver platter with exotic fruits on it. And by exotic, I mean like Kiwi pineapple blueberries, but there was no signs of like quail or rabbits nearby, so I was wondering, why would they be feeding something out here in the middle of the desert. So I left a note. I was brazen enough to leave a note asking the people what are you feeding? So I left the know under the platter and I came back a few weeks later, and to my surprise, here Amaia, there was a drawing. Somebody said, we're feeding these and I drew a picture of a bipedal hyena. So that right there was like, Okay, somebody else in this town has seen them as well, they know they're here. Oh boy. Yeah, So that really got me very very curious because somebody out there had seen the same exact thing I did. So I wasn't crazy, jeremah, I had seen something.

16:03 I'm like, yes, this is what I needed. Oh man, so that's like you have Oh that's got to be incredible having seen something and then getting that someone else's experienced this is actually real and I didn't just yeah, I felt like there was a weight lifted from my shoulders. Like I wasn't nuts, I wasn't insane. Somebody who doesn't even know me had seen the same thing that I did. Wow, did you ever get any any different kind of communication with these people that left you the note? Or is it just a one off note back and it was just a one off note. I think what happened is they didn't want to share too much because I get the feeling from the way they drew these things that they actually care for them, that they're trying to habituate them and domesticate them. So I think there's some kind of attachment there, and they weren't sure what my intentions were.

16:57 That was let down in a way. But like I said, I still walked away going, oh hallelujah, somebody else saw the same thing I did. This is awesome. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you think just based off of what you know, do you think it's a smart idea to try to do what these people are doing where they're offering food and bituating things like that? No? I really don't, because there's so many factors to put in here, Jeremiah, Like what happens if they get so used to you feeding them and then behold you miss a day? Are they going to get irritated and angry and come looking for you. Are they going to think your kid is food your pet. I don't think it's a good idea. I think there's a lot of dangers to take into consideration here, I really do.

17:40 Yeah, very close to how I think about when I think about people leaving food out from Bigfoot, and it's just like filling the blank with any other large predator if they get used to food, and then you are the person who doesn't give them food, not going to act probably nice to you. And on the flip side of that, you don't want to take a predator and turn it where it to rely on you, because it'll lose that hunting capability and you don't want that to happen. Yeah, good point. Good point. Did you ever try talking to any law enforcement officials in your town about it? I did. Most of them were those things aren't real.

18:22 But there was a guy who was a neighbor of mine. Actually he was a retired police officer, and when I talked to him about it, he didn't really say one way or the other, but just from his mannerisms and his body language, I got the feeling that he too saw some stuff, you know, because he didn't do that whole Oh, those things aren't real. You didn't see what you think you saw. He just went, I know, Ryan, I know. So it did make me wonder, did he see something wow? And the place where you originally saw it, was it ever seen again at that No, but it was seen just a few miles away, because when I went out investigating on another day, I actually came across a guy who was a paranormal investigator, ironically enough, and I told him, you've got to be really careful in this area. There's a lot of wildlife. And he just looks me right in the eyes, tear in my eye and he's like, yeah, there's more than a local wildlife.

19:15 And that got my curiosity because that's a normal response. So I'm like, what do you mean, what are you talking about? And he's like, I saw something a few nights ago, and he's like, I'm gonna share it with you, so don't think I'm crazy. So I played along. He told me how he saw two of these things, a larger one and an infant feeding on a dead have olina. So again I got confirmation that I wasn't nuts that I did see this by pedal hyena because other people had seen it too, And for listeners who aren't familiar with wildlife from that area. Have Alna is a type of pig. Correct, It's a very angry pig, though, it's one that you don't want to mess with. Okay, fair enough. So you've got multiple sightings of this creature, and more than one creature in a sounds like a small region or within miles of each other. It sounds like, yeah, it's a very small town.

20:11 Any encounters are close by, so obviously whatever these things are, they staked turf in that town, I think. And it would make sense though, because there's a lot of abandoned mines because it's a mining town, so there's shelter, and there's plenty of game, and there's plenty of water too, so really it was ideal for these things to live there. Wow, have youked the Is there like a newspaper archive of the town or the area? Yeah? Oh, there's any weird things in the old newspapers. Yeah. In fact, there's a museum that was not too far from where I was actually living, and in the newspapers I had there, they did talk about how they were seeing strange wildlife that didn't quite belong and some of the way they described it sound like they were describing hyenas. Really it, can you elaborate on what I know? When there's old articles about Bigfoot in the eighteen hundreds, they sometimes they say things like wild man, and you have to connect the Dodgs type thing. Is that the same thing when you're talking about hyenas slash dog man in old newspapers more or less? But they were talking about how there was like wild dog attacks, but then certain residents would go on to describe them as not really dogs, but they couldn't place what kind of animal they were. Now living out in the desert, You're going to know coyotes, okay, You're going to know even wolves, even as rare as that is to see them in that town. You're going to know what they are. It's not going to leave any room for confusion. But these people were genuinely confused by what they were seeing. They described spots and everything.

21:41 So I'm going, wait a minute, did they see these things? Wow? Do you have a book about this, Ryan? No, but I am working on one, Okay, I just like you probably need to have one. That's awesome, dude, Wow, how many years have you been researching this in that area? Dog Man? It's about three years now, but altogether twenty years. I was researching up at Mount Lemon in Arizona. I've been in Tucson doing investigations down there. I've been to Phoenix, flag Staff. I've been all over Arizona doing this stuff. Have you found that there's so Excuse my ignorance, because I'm trying to learn about this topic, right, so I'm not really aware of Arizona. Is Arizona have quite a few sightings of dog Man in that state? Then? Oh yes, But we also have our own big Foot, the Mogion Monster from the Mobion Rim. I'm sure you're familiar with that one. Yes, And I've been to the Mogion Rim and oh man, it's such a beautiful places. It looks so beautiful. If you don't know about what it looks like, you got to look it up. Because people when they hear Arizona, I think they're thinking desert man. You look at the Moggian Rim and it is forested, beautiful, and yeah, you can definitely see how a Bigfoot type creature would be living in that environment as well. Oh definitely. That's why when

23:11 people say, oh, Ryan, that's crazy. Bigfoot can't live out there. There's no water or trees. I'm like, are you sure about that? Yeah? I put it right up there with people that say Bigfoot can't live in Oklahoma. You don't really know what Oklahoma is. I'm curious why can Bigfoot not live in Oklahoma? What is there attacks for a living there or what? They just don't know about how the southeast part of the state is extremely okay, so they can fall for the stereotypes. Then exactly, exactly, all right, I got you. So going back to Arizona and dog Man, I know of places like Texas and you've got the work of Aarondese and he's done that the dog Man triangle. But it sounds like they are multiple different areas in Arizona where there have been dog maned sightings over the US. Oh yeah, Tucson, you'd be surprised even though it's a city.

24:03 A lot of people have seen dog Man and Tucson as well. These encounters are happening all over Arizona, all over Arizona. I think people need to start looking into that because there's something to it. Have all these encounters have they all looked like hyenas then? Or are there different ways that dog Man look like with Bigfoot, there's different almost versions of them. That's with big Qui. I do run into those encounters that are very different. They're like the dogsoldier type, or they have a German shepherd type, but a lot of them are a hyena type. And I was saying to somebody a long time ago, if people are seeing a lot of these hyenas, then we need to start looking into what it is about Arizona where the hyena type are more abundant. There has to be some kind of answer to that question.

24:49 Is it the fauna and flora of this place? Is it the layout of the land. What is it that's bringing a hyena type to Arizona? And if you look at the place Arizona in general, it's very similar to Africa, Jeremiah. So something that's like a hyena could easy just acclimate to this place. Oh that's wild, Yeah, totally man, I didn't even think about that. Are they also found in southern California in New Mexico as well, or is it just more in Arizona area? From what I have research, it's more Arizona, okay, but California will get the scant report of that type. New Mexico the same thing, but in those places you get more of the werewolf type. So there's something about Arizona where it's attracting the hyena types. Very interesting in the Nigfah community. As we talked about earlier, you have your classic stories, you have like the Patterson Gimlin film, others like maybe Albert Osman, stuff like that. Are there stories that are always talked about in Arizona when it comes to dog different things that always Yeah, you get to hear about their aggression. In a lot of the stories that I hear, they're hyper hyper aggressive, hyper vigilant that are chasing people out of camps and chasing them down hiking trails. So that seems to be a trademark here for the dog man in Arizona. They have bad attitudes.

26:11 So I got to wonder if maybe it because they live in such a hot climate where they just don't like people. The hot weather isn't making them irritated. Oh yeah, I haven't really heard of any stories where it's been a nice dog man. Have you heard of any nice dog man stories? None that I can verify. I do get people that will come to me and say, hey, I have a clan of dogmen that protect my territory, and they protect my property, and they protect my kids and protect my livestock. And well, that's great, that's fantastic, But where's the proof. Though there's no pictures, there's nothing to show that it's one hundred percent happening. And as a researcher, I do have to have some skepticism.

26:52 A healthy dose is always a good thing. So when they can't provide evidence, I got to yo, are you telling me the truth? Or is this just a story that's so important? Has there been any interesting evidence gathered about the dogmen in Arizona that you've heard about so far? Nothing yet? And I keep waiting with beta breath every morning I wake up Jeremiah, going, please, let there be some kind of great evidence that's going to be a case breaker, and nothing yet. I'm hoping in my time i'll see it, but nothing yet, gotcha? So right now we're looking so your personal sighting sightings. You've heard of any photos of like large tracks or anything like that. I have some, but I'm not breezing enough to just say those are dogman footprints. Sure, I'm still trying to go through the entire catalog of wildlife and eliminate what it could be, and if it doesn't match up with anything in the books, then I could say maybe it's a dog man track. Yeah, it's very smart. I think you have to be careful about what you put out there. I see enough things come into email, so you have to demunk yourself as a researcher. You can't just jump to the conclusion of the impossible. You have to take a real good solid look at it and say, Okay, it could be other things. So let's eliminate these first, and we'll go through it one by one, and if we don't come up with answers, we can say maybe possibly, but don't just put it out there. But oh, by the way, this is a dog man track and it turns out to be a German shepherd or

28:22 something like that. You got to be careful. Absolutely. This area that you're seeing all the hyena bipeds, is this around any military bases or reservations or anything. Oh yeah, plenty of reservations. Yes, okay, yes, not really close to any Air Force bases. They're about sixty miles away from that, but there are a lot of reservations. Yes, have you ever been able to get any contacts with anyone that would be involved with any of the reservations to talk about. Oh yeah, this is how I got into the study of skin walkers, all right. I was going to let you. I was like, I wonder if I don't know, I don't know them enough, if I can broach it. But yeah, so you actually study that as well. Yes, And I'm very proud of it, Jeremiah. So you can bring it up whenever you want. I'm not ashamed of it. So what happened is a lot of people were suggesting that what I had seen was in fact a skin walker, and so I started looking into the skinwalker stuff, and I would see the typical YouTube videos, the creepypasta stuff, but I just I had a feeling that it wasn't accurate information, Okay, And so I started looking around even deeper and reading different books, and I saw, Wow, what I saw on YouTube was far from what I'm reading in these books. So the only way I'm going to find any answer is if I speak to the Navajo people. Okay. So I gathered a friend and I told them, Hey, you get to bring me to the reservation because I have some questions that I have to ask them about

29:53 these skinwalkers, and you warned me. He told me, hey, look you're a white dude Ryan, so they're not going to take kind to this. But still I persisted because I need to do this. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society. After these words from our sponsors, I walked onto the reservation and I was acting like I was mister mighty Might over here, ten feet tall and bulletproof. I walked into this crowd of people and I just stood in one place. I'm like, okay, so who wants to tell me about these skinwalkers? And the looks that I got Jeremiah, I just I turned to my friend and I was like, I am going to die because these people were not happy. So we stood there in an awkward silence for about ten minutes and this old couple walks up to me, and the man took me by the hand. He's like, why do you want to know if the Yi Naradushi? And so I told him, look, I saw this weird animal and people said it's possibly a skin walker, and I need to know. And plus I want to take your actual stories and put the truth out there. So he and his wife agreed to talk to They talked to me people about like maybe three four hours, and they gave me so much information. Wow that oh man, I can't believe you did that. That is just that's probably the gutsiest move that I've heard someone take on this podcast over the last It might have been a little in an interview in my mark. That's wild, dude, But how cool is it?

31:21 So they spent a few hours with you just going over everything. My goodness. Yeah, oh yeah. They sat me down and they did a blessing over me first, because talking about the Yi nat Alushi it's a very serious matter for them. They don't take it lightly, and so I learned to take it just as serious as they do. And they told me where they came from and what to watch out for, and they really they gave me so much stuff that I can never express enough gratitude to them. It's like, Wow, you really opened my eyes, and that's how I was able to conclude that what I had seen was not a skin walker, it was something separate. Wow, I know the information. Usually if I hear in interviews when people talk about information like that that they've gotten from reservations, it's very it's sometimes very protected information. Is any of that anything from that that you can share with the audience, or is it's things that you have to, you know, hold back on. I'm actually able to share whatever as whatever question you have, I can answer it because they told me you can share it. Just please keep our people in mind and answer it the correct way. And I made them a promise that I would not add anything to it, I would not detract from it. I would take it just as serious as they do and hold it to my heart as they do. Okay, cool, from what they said, let's start with this. So what how would you define what a skinwalker actually is? According to what they told you? Okay, the best way to put it is, it's a shaman

32:53 who learns the magic and the rituals and the chance of their thin the people. Okay, And rather than healing the people with it, they use it to cause chaos and destruction amongst their own tribes. And it's not like a werewolf. It's not one of those things where they change by a full moon. Now, what they have to do is they take the pelt of certain animals, so like coyotes, wolves, those kind of things. And the reason why they take those certain pelts is because it's a slight against their belief. To take the pelt of a predatory animal is the same as giving the middle finger to their creator. So what they do is they take these pelts and they take them back to caves, and they have to do all these chants and incantations and ceremonies for days and sometimes even weeks before they can don that pelt to take the form. Wow. In a few interviews I've talked to individuals about skinwalkers. From what you've heard, can they actually turn into animals such as coyotes? Yes, yes, I believe they can. The name so what that name and plot is that they turn into the four legged animal. They don't take on a bipedal form of the set animal. They go into the four legged form the actual animal itself. And from what I've been told, the only way to tell a skinwalker apart from the actual animal is to look at the eyes. Even an animal form, they'll have very human eyes. And that's the thing where when people have skin walker stories,

34:23 these are things that are actually happening. In current times. There are people that are skinwalkers and turning into coyotes, et cetera, et cetera. That's happening in present it is, and I think people like to denounce it and say, oh, it's not happening in current times because they don't believe they're still shaman. But it's part of their religious belief to have shaman. They will always be shaman. So as long as there are those shaman, the medical people, the medicine men, there's going to be potential skin walkers. That's very very interesting and go ahead. Yeah, it's frightening. It's very frightening. And I'll admit when I first started researching these skinwalkers, I was skeptical because I was like, somebody transforming into an animal, that can't be true. But after listening to this elderly couple, they changed my mind.

35:15 Jeremiah, like they opened my eyes, so why that I see everything now? I'm like, WHOA, Okay, these things are real. So I will never ever doubt what they say about the When you were talking to them, did it ever you asked him about skinwalkers? Did it ever come up about the hyenas and what you had seen? Did that ever come up at all? Or was it just everything was focused on what they believed Regarden Skinwalkers. It came up very briefly, very briefly, and the old man he had a spiritual view on my hyena encounter. He said that I was chosen because of my heart, because I have such an open mind and I'm such a gentle soul that whatever this was, it had chosen me so I would know the truth. And really, when he said that, I can't even word it the way he did it, it was so beautiful that I was just like, I'm going to go with that. I'm going to believe that it shows me because I'm a good person. Want me to see it and want me to know the truth, I'm going to go with that. I'm going to run with that. That is is very It's so interesting and it's a lot of new information and I'm very thankful that you're able to share it.

36:22 A few minutes ago you had mentioned when we were talking about types of dog man, you mentioned something about Dog Soldiers. Can you explain is that a different type of dog man or what does it exactly? Does that mean? What it is is we're comparing it to the movie Dog Soldiers. Some people say that the dog man they see is very close in appearance to the were wolves from that film, and I think that's actually a really good comparison because some people do describe those really tall dog men that have the muscles and they're really fast and aggressive. So that's what I mean when I say dog Soldiers. Gotcha? I guess I have a new movie to watch. Sin. Oh you haven't seen that one yet, dude, I really haven't.

37:06 No, you, my friend, are in for a treat. It is such a fantastic movie. It's so well done. There's no campiness to it, there's no cheesiness to it. They take the whole werewolf will or very seriously be acting as top notch. You're gonna love it. I'm such a geek for that movie, dude, I love it awesome. There was an individual I talked to is probably years ago, and we had a really interesting conversation about dog Man, and I'm just I'm bring it up and I'm just curious if you've ever heard anything like this before, just get your viewpoint on it. Have you ever heard of that dog Man could be potentially used by the US government, or there could be like a type of alien connection or anything like that. Oh, yeah, I've heard both those series. In fact, I myself, I believe that some of these dogmen that we're seeing, I think they're intered, dimensonal beings. I don't think they originated here, because when you really look at it, you hear stories of how somebody shot a dog man with a really big rifle, right and they know for sure that the bullet hit it, but there was no wound, no effect.

38:14 And I have to wonder if it's similar to the mothman in a way. It's like an ultra terrestrial where its vibration is higher than ours, so the bullets just phaded right through it. That is it was. I believe it was Jody Cook. I was talking to a few years ago, and it just it blew me away. When I first heard that, I was like, oh, my goodness, is crazy. Jodi does some great work. He is a good worker. You've heard of the sightings on the Skinwalker Ranch location like that way back in the day. This is like not current owner, but way back absolutely. Do you believe what do you think may have happened there? Do you think that was maybe a dog man or like maybe some type of prehistoric animal or I'm open to both possibilities, but from the way he described it, it doesn't sound like your typical dog man.

39:06 It sounds like maybe it was a very interesting, different kind of animal. It could be prehistoric, but really, for my recollection, it didn't sound like your typical dog man encounter. So do you think this is there seems to be a interesting theme when you look into enough cryptid reports, there seems to be this interesting thread where it's like, in different parts of the US, there's these animals being seen that seem to be maybe it's almost like they look like they're prehistoric animals, but it doesn't make sense because they shouldn't be around anymore. Have you heard of any accounts that sound similar to that.

39:50 Yeah, there was actually one guy that I knew years back. He passed away some time ago, but he actually said that he saw what was like a velociraptor. And what's really interest is he didn't describe it like you see in Jurassic Park. The way he described it was a very small feathered dinosaur and he saw it chasing some avelina down here. But he said that it didn't leave any footprints, and it looked like it was fading in and fading out. So Brian, my kid is big time into dinosaurs, so I'm gonna flex a little bit. Do you know that the velociraptor in Jurassic Park is way bigger than they actually were and Spielberg made them a lot bigger so that they would look cooler. I love that, you know that. That's the trivia dudes me hearing that you said that this guy saw a velociraptor that was a lot smaller. That's probably more the size that it was. Actually, that's why when he was telling me this, I was like, how do you know what size they were? Wow? So you know your science?

40:52 Okay, so I'm listening. You got my attention now, all right? Because he could have made something up and said, oh yeah, there was also the ones from Jurassic Park and they were chasing people around, but he didn't say that. He was like, they were small, they weren't huge, and they did have feathers. So I'm going, okay, continue. That was exciting for me too because I'm a science geek. So I was like, yes, wow, and in was that in your same area then? Or no? No, this was over in Wilcox. Okay. I wasn't there, so I couldn't call him crazy. But he was accurate about it, though, Jeremiah. You know when you know how it is, when somebody's accurate about something that's not really common acceptance, you can go, oh, I'll certainly hear you out now. It's just wild. That's one of the big things where I don't know how to explain away, Like why would a guy just randomly come up with the idea, I'm going to make up a story about seeing a small a Vloss raptor or a guy in New York State where he's going to just pretend to see I believe they were giant slots Sherman, New York area. That's so obscure that you would think that if he were to make it up, he'd know it's not going to get me in a notoriety or any fame because they're not really popular monsters or popular creatures. You think you'd make up something a little bit more fantastical.

42:15 Yeah, it's weird. If listeners haven't heard about the Sherman, New York incident, The Moth Boys have a really awesome book out about it. You should check it out. It's a great read, transitioning a little bit to a completely different subject. But I want to make sure we chat about it, just because when I hear people bring up your name, they also tend to bring up the subject of windogoes as well. Yes, all right, mission accomplished. Yeah, this is a topic that has never been I think the only time it's been broached was during the clubhouse days a few years ago, when we would let people or when I would let people just chat about whatever they want during the times of the pandemic on the clubhouse. But I've never Actually, it sounds like you are really well versed on the topics.

43:07 Yeah, feel free to introduce what we're dealing with. Okay. So there's two different archetypes for the whn to Go. Okay, you have the one that you've seen all over social media, I'm sure where it's a big furry creature with a tail, long claws, and a stag's head. Okay, That, Jeremiah, is not how the wind to Go was portrayed by the Algonquin, the create you know, Jibwe. Okay, the real win to Go is depicted as a very emaciated, very pale, very gaunt human that was taken over by the when to Go or whet to Go spirit Okay, so a when to Go could be you or I, but we'd get possessed by this thing after we messed around a bit too much with our cultural taboots.

43:52 Now cannibalism is the most popular, okay, but greed, envy, even a curse or bad dreams from the Powagonak, which are spirit guides or spirit creatures in the Algonquin belief, could cause you or I to become a wind to Go. So really there's a big misconception on the Wind to Go war, and I want to bring the real true war to light. So I'll be working on a book of the Wind to Go as well, because it's so just mixed up that people don't really know what the Wind to Go is anymore. Does this even belong in the realm of cryptids done? In my opinion, No, In my opinion, it's more supernatural slash paranormal because we're talking about a spirit okay, we're not talking about a cryptid, which a cryptid is an unverified animal that's rumored to exist. Okay, And no, the Wind to Go isn't an animal. It doesn't take on the form of any animal at all, So it belongs more in a paranormal area than it does cryptids. Is that a Is that something that they say still occurs today or was it during a certain time period that things like that would occur.

45:04 Oh? No, the belief of the Wind to Go is still very much alive and well in the Canadian territories. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. It's one of those things that they're going to believe in it no matter what. It doesn't matter what anybody says, it's going to stay as staple in their beliefs. And rightfully have there been. And I guess this is where it gets tricky because you have the one side where they're saying it's this crazy looking creature and the other side where it's not that at all. But are there reports of people seeing what they believe to be this creature? Then, oh yeah, there's plenty of them.

45:47 If you've ever visited TikTok, you'll see videos every day going I saw when to go? I saw whend to go? And then you watch the video and it's just like this white costume or whatever, and you're going, how is that a when to Go? You know, what where did you get when to Go from this. In fact, there was a video a long time back. I don't know if you've seen it, Jeremiah, where somebody filmed a quote unquote When to Go stalking a moose on the side of the Yeah, you know the one I'm talking about that. Yeah. So when I watched that, I was so disappointed because I'm like, how is this a wind to go? Why would it be stalking the moose when you're right there? The wind to goes a cannibal. Cannibal means it eats other humans, so it's going to go for a moose when you're right there.

46:29 No, it's weird because that same exact video, I've seen it used for different things. So I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it use for the Rake, I've seen it use for When to Go. I've seen it use for so much stuff. Yeah, which that is as a whole, that's a whole different ball of yarn. Don't get me started on the ring. There's some really interesting research going on about it, and I really hope that research continues. But yeah, that's a whole different story and it's so but have you actually been able to interview people close to maybe people in different tribal backgrounds about the Wind to Go or how close have you gotten to this?

47:12 My friend actually he's more like my brother William Nighthawk. He's a Lakota shaman, an elder. He actually has talked to me numerous times about his people's belief in the Wind to Go And I credit him big time with my knowledge and the way that he's really opened my eyes to this thing. But he's really been my best source. He's been an incredible sourcer am. I would recommend you talk to him too. He's amazing and he told me his perspectives, his personal beliefs, and yeah, it's frightening when you really get to hear it from Indigenous people. Oh yeah, absolutely. Would you ever consider going up to different places in Canada to try to get a closer look at certain areas to do with the Wind to Go? Or is it a thing where you're doing your research from Afar. I'm half and half on that, Like a part of me does want to go see these areas for myself, but I've grown to believe in it enough where I'm going, Yeah, do I really want to do this? Or would I be in peril in some form or fashion yeah, absolutely, is this up in I guess I could say what what provinces are? These usually reported in all over Canada.

48:27 Minnesota has a few reports as well, So I think really, wherever the cold weather is really abundant, that's where the wind go is going to go. Oh Minnesota. Yeah, And in my perspective, in my opinion, the wind to go is a weather spirit. So when winter comes along, that's the wind it goes time to play? Gotcha? Gotcha? Probably even up in the Yukon in Northwest territories, I would imagine too. Absolutely. Yes, Oh man, there's some weird stuff up there, dude. I don't know if you've ever looked into Oh yeah. With my basis of study, so I do cover the the lure and the oral traditions of the indigenous tribes, and I've started looking to a different Bigfoot stories from up there, the Genosquaw and all those things, and a lot of them happen up there.

49:14 Yeah, there's some weird stuff going on. I've actually, I believe I've heard that that term once, but I don't think it's ever actually come up in an interview. Do you mind sharing about that? Sure? Genosquaw, it's a big foot, and the name Genosqua means Stonish giant, and where that name is derived from is according to what they have said in their stories, this type of bigfoot was so smart that what it did it would roll and sap and then roll in the river rocks to create like an applicate armor that would be used against the flint arrowheads of the time. So these bigfoot would come down from the mountains wearing this armor, and they would raid the villages and steal men and women and children to feast upon them. And the braves were helpless against them because their arrowheads would break when they hit the river rocks. And that right there, it's not just terrifying because they came for people, but they were smart enough to actually wear armor. Let that sink in for a moment. They were actually prepared for battle. Yeah, that is wild. Is that from a certain part of Canada? Yeah, that's really that's carried around a lot by the Algonquin people. And they do actually have such fear of them that what they would do Jeremiah is every night, once they got the flint lock pistols, they would fire into the woods every single night, just to keep the geno squad away. Wow, Oh my goodness, that is that's a whole that's a whole rabbit trail. I've never gone down. I'll have to remember that. That's really cool. Definitely,

50:46 definitely you're going to find it very fascinating. Like I did. I got hooked when I started reading this kind of stuff. I was like, Okay, this is my field of study. Now this is where I'm staying. Yeah, the most I've gotten into with I guess you could say Southeast Alaska slash Canada is just the legends of four toaed Sasquatch and is extremely aggressive and there's just some really interesting native tales of Oh yeah, yeah, And if you ever get the chance to hear them actually tell it to you firsthand, don't ever pass it up, Jeremiah. The way they tell it, it's so passionate. It's one of those things that you're going to be hooked.

51:28 So I know, you ever heard anybody tell a story that like you're doubting at first, but once they start telling it, it's done with such passion and such drive that it just hooks you and you're like wow, absolutely, Like yeah, if you ever get the chance, take it in your research down in Arizona, and it sounds like you're really going You're all over the place, You're talking to people. You're probably to the point where people are coming to you because your name is out there in the area as the guy who wants to all the weird stuff. Have you had any for Bigfoot reports given to you down there from Arizona? Oh? Yeah, definitely. There was a couple that I used to know that you're on rim and the husband believed in Bigfoot but the wife didn't, and they were camping there that was supposed to be for the weekend, and during the night, something was coming to their camp and throwing rocks at their tent, and the husband got a little too arrogant and he started throwing rocks back, and they said they heard this just blood curdling roar, and they heard something very massive trying to run out of the woods towards them. So they literally picked up camp, leaving their tent behind, their core behind, got into the truck and went home. So that was like, yeah, you probably shouldn't mess with Bigfoot.

52:44 Yeah, definitely not. Are there ever any Have you ever heard any like interaction between Bigfoot and the dog man in that area? Is that ever come up in Arizona at all. Not so much here. I have seen other people on social media say that they have both big Foot and dog man on their property, but I've never heard anybody in Arizona claim that. Gotcha? There any other we've talked about for Arizona, We've talked about some Bigfoot, some dog man we've talked about. Are there any other weird things that are happening down there? We have ghosts because Tombstone, the shootout at the OK Corral, a lot of people were seeing a ghost of White Erb and Doc Holliday. Who knows. Maybe that's possible. I think Doc Holiday was too stubborn to die, so his ghost is still walking around somewhere, and I'm sure maybe he'll walk up to somebody and just sell him. I'll be your huckle bear. Yeah, there you go. Classic. Are there many UFO alien interactions that you've run into down there? No alien sightings, but I do get a lot of UFO stuff. In fact, the Phoenix lights remember that case. Oh yeah, yeah, so that's Phoenix Arizona, And that was a very famous UFO sighting. I missed it, and go figure something that big and I miss it yeah, what was that in the Was it in nineties? Yeah? Yeah, I remember seeing the video of it as pretty wild. Yeah, it's insane. I saw Starlink when I was like, I thought that was a UFO. I actually had Ashley on the

54:16 phone and she was like, Ryan, I can hear I can just hear saying that too. Yeah. Actually my little kurb stomper when I'm being stupid, She's like, Ryan, knock it off and she'll get you. Yeah. But oh yeah, in a good way for sure. Do you have let's say, if we have we have listeners, and they're mainly going to be people that are into bigfoot. I think if I know my listeners, and a lot of them are like when they hear about bigfoot, they hear about different things. Oh I want to go out and look for bigfoot. So when do people in the dog man community. Do they also do the same thing where they're like, I'm going to go out and look for dog man or is it handled a little bit differently. It's a bit different because what you see a lot with the dog man people is these people want to go out to kill dog man, Like they're determined to go out and get the biggest gun they can and bring one in, and I always tell them, you got to be so careful doing that, okay, because yeah, you're going out looking for a dog man, but who's to say you won't shoot somebody innocent? And these things probably know what guns are. So you're starting a fight. Can you finish that fight? Though? What if there's more than one? How many rounds can you squeeze off before they get yet?

55:30 Have there been any incidents you think where there have been people that have been killed by a dog man? Oh, I'm sure some of them missing for one to one. I don't think all of them are dog man, but I'm sure some of them might be when it's something that warrants further investigation. For sure. It's very interesting. What are let's say, if you've got someone where they're like, would love to look more into trying to get the whole the low and the information. What are maybe some good resources that you could recommend people check out book as far as dog Man goes Linda Godfrey's books. That woman was just amazing with all the information she brought to us, and may she rest in peace. She's a godmother of dog man.

56:17 Pick up her books and read them from cover to cover and reach out to people like me or Jeremiah ask questions. That's the best way you're going to learn is interacting with other people that have interest like this. Absolutely, yeah, And the more I learned, definitely people reach out trying to get some I have mainly Bigfoot resources right now, but slowly I'm getting some dog Man books just because it is it's becoming such a large topic over the years. Oh yeah. Do you think there's a reason for why over the last few years it's Is it because it may be because of Linda Godfrey's books or I think it could be because of her books. But I think also people feel more comfortable to share encounters with dog Man nowadays. If you think back maybe ten years ago, right if you mentioned that you saw werewolf bigfoot people would have laugh at you, whereas nowadays bigfoot people will take an interest in your story. So I think people really do feel better coming forward with these tales, and I think that's a great thing because we're getting more and more pieces to this really complex puzzle. I agree, definitely. Do you think there's certain parts of the US where different things seem to congregate in maybe different like high strangeness or cryptids. Do you think there's any validity to that? Absolutely?

57:43 Absolutely. You get some very weird reports from different states and it's things that don't happen and say, my particular state, I don't get that, but it's such a high number of reports in another state that you have to look at that and go, Okay, so it's happening there, and then there's similar events happening in a different state. Yeah, I would definitely go with that. Do you think there's any I know there's a few ways of looking at this, but do you have any thoughts about why in different parts they seem to be It could be energies as far as highest rangeness goes or spirits go, it's the energy of the land. And as far as cryptids go, I think it's what's there for them. It's the food, it's the shelter, the availability of water or perhaps even like the availability of a meat. That's something that animals would need to look into. Any animal that wants to survive it has those necessities. So if a certain state has what it needs, it's going to stay there. Gotcha. Do you think there's any validity? You see these videos all the time, different resources where it's like national parks were created for different reasons, where they created because of cryptids.

58:58 Do you think that's just like an old maybe what type saying? Or no? Because you know what, that actually does have some precedents there, Jeremiah. Okay. And it's a rumor, okay, or a possible rumor, But they say that Theodore Roosevelt actually set aside certain parks because he saw the Ozark Howler, and after his encounter with that particular cryptid, he started seeing other ones like Bigfoot and stuff like that, and he knew of reports of these things. So he actually set aside these national parks for cryptids, and that that is that's wild to think about that, man, I can't can you imagine actually being able to talk to that guy and years ago just to ask him just to man, now, you think he'd end every sentence with oh, I'd be like, are you really gonna take down a snelly gaster? He did give a speech after he was shot. He was not one tough home brace, so he really was. Yeah, for sure, if anybody could take down Bigfoot or dog Man, it would have been him.

1:00:04 I agree one hundred percent, Brian. This has been just a very fun chat and a lot of places I didn't know where were going, and I'm glad we went there before we end out the interview. How can people keep up to date with what you're doing, or maybe if they have, maybe they saw something similar to what you saw in Arizona. How can they contact you? You can find me on Facebook under Ryan Paul Trembley. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram under the same name, or you can reach out to me on Monster Radio on YouTube. You know, just leave a comment or whatever, and I read and respond to every single comment.

1:00:44 So reach out to me on any of those places and I will definitely get back to you. I love interaction, I love questions, I love conversation. So just if he wants he just hit me up just to talk, I'm always gamed for that. That's awesome. I'll be really keeping an eye and hopefully when your future books come out, we'll definitely be keeping an eye on that and maybe even chatting at them at a later time. Okay, sounds great. All right, thanks so much for coming on tonight, Ryan, My pleasure. Jeremiah. You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping.

1:01:52 I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening