March 3, 2025

The Untold Story of Rory Zoerb, 1990s Bigfoot Adventurer!

Join host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society as he interviews Rory Zoerb, a seasoned adventurer with a passion for Bigfoot research. Rory shares his incredible journey, starting from his deep dive into Bigfoot literature in the early '90s, leading to...

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Season 1

Join host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society as he interviews Rory Zoerb, a seasoned adventurer with a passion for Bigfoot research. Rory shares his incredible journey, starting from his deep dive into Bigfoot literature in the early '90s, leading to multiple expeditions in Northern California's Bluff Creek area. Explore Rory's firsthand accounts of encounters with bears and mountain lions, mysterious tree breaks, and an eerie nest along Bigfoot Creek. Learn about his hair sample analysis and how he collaborated with notable figures like Matt Moneymaker and Peter Byrne. Rory also recounts his brush with potential Bigfoot activity in the Southern Olympic Peninsula and the intriguing story of caves on Onion Mountain. This episode is a treasure trove for enthusiasts eager to delve into Bigfoot lore and field research insights. Per Rory, this is the FIRST TIME he has ever agreed to an interview so you won't want to miss this!

Contact Rory here:

rory.zoerb@gmail.com

X: @Ronin68882

Write up on Rory Zoerb from bigfootencounters.com - http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/rzoerb.htm

Rory's 1993 BFRO report - https://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2954

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slash the Big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show bigfot Society. I've got the privilege of

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talking to mister Rory Zorb today. Rory's an individual that

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reached out to me that has quite an interesting background

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and Rory, welcome to the show. How's it going?

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Hey good, Thanks Ceremiah, thanks.

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For having me so you you provided me with Rory.

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You've been you've been in this for a long time.

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You've you've got stuff on on your list that is

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some really intense stuff. And uh, take us take us

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back to the to the beginning rory when you first

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started getting it involved.

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Okay, yeah, it's a fascinating subject and it's been a journey.

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It started in about ninety two when I started thinking

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about it seriously. I heard about it, you know, like

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everybody else, pretty much throughout my life, and in ninety

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two I dove into I think about five books and

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I can't remember the names of them, but I'm surest

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most people have read them, and all about Bigfoot. And

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after reading the five books, I was convinced that these

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beings exist and in fairly large numbers. So I had

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an opportunity. I had the time to put together an adventure.

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And you know, I was prior military, so putting on

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a backpack and hiking for long distances was pretty fairly

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normal to me. So so I put together a backpack.

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It ended up being about one hundred pounds. It was

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a military large alice pack, and you know, I had

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one hundred feet of military repelling rope on it, tent bedroll,

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forty day food supply which was about thirty pounds, So

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it was about one pound of food per day, including

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you know energy bar, protein bar, and oatmeal and you

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know quick dinners. I could just boil up that kind

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of stuff, but it was it was a pretty heavy pack,

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and I didn't want to drive. I wanted to go

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into this expedition quietly and just walked through the woods

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in the area that I thought that the Sasquatches would

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likely be. And I actually originally planned on a ninety

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mile route, which you know, over thirty days, it's not

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it's not bad at all. It's a stroll, so it's

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we had taken a car. I took the Amtrak up

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the coast and then into Redding, and it was interesting

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when I got on the Amtrak. They had stewardesses back then,

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this is in ninety three, and my backpack got a

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lot of interest, a lot of interest from the stewardess.

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Stewardess says, and they asked me what I was doing,

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and I don't know, I'm going to look for Bigfoot.

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And they all thought that was quite funny. So anyway,

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I took the Amtrak up to Redding and then I

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caught a bus. It doesn't it doesn't run anymore, but

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it was kind of a famous little bus line that

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went from Reading over to Eureka. I think it was

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or oh, somewhere over on the coast, but anyway, it

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went through Lillo Creek. So I took that, got off

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at Willow Creek, stayed at the Bigfoot Motel for one night,

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and you know, checked out the Bigfoot cage in the

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back and all that. And I didn't really talk to

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many people in town at that point, not that I

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can remember. Was this is like, you know, thirty some

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years ago now. But so the next morning, after staying

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at the Bigfoot Motel, I just had it out with

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my backpack, and I'm pretty sure I went northeast out

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of town. I don't remember exactly. All I do remember

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is the first part of the journey was steady uphill

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for quite quite a while, and so around dusk, I

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was pretty small from carrying that pack uphill all day,

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and there was like a pull out area on the

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side of the road, and so I dropped my backpack,

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pulled out the thirty pound bag of food, and I

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remember I had some fruit, some dried fruit stuff. I

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was really looking forward to that. So I pulled out

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a few things I was going to eat, and I

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hear this sound coming through the trees, and it's starting

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to get a little dusk, and I'm kind of straining

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to see across the road on the uphill side, and

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I'm straining to see what is making this noise, and

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it's getting closer and it's big. And then a bear

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comes out of the edge of the woods and it's

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standing on the other side of the road and I

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got my food is like strewn out of my feet,

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and I like looked down the right, looked up to

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the left, turned around behind me. There's like nowhere I'm

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going to go, And besides, I don't want to let

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him have my food. So I started talking in about

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five different voices, high, low, deep, whatever, yell and just

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get the bear to go away. And I remember him

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cocking his head kind of like a dog does, and

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he just kind of casually turned and walked away. So

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I was like, wow, this is going to be an

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interesting hike. So I got something to eat and repack

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everything and can kicked up until it was dark and

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I found a place to set up my tent. And

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I was really smoked by this point, I mean carrying

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that it was all uphill, and so I set up

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my tent and I thought, well, you know, I should

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hang my food, but I was too tired, it was

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too dark, so I dragged my backpack about thirty five

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forty feet from my tent and just let it left

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it sitting on the ground. So I go back to

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my tent, and you know, I just found this really interesting.

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Hopefully your listeners will find this interesting too, if you

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want to go backpacking in the wilderness, especially up in

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the Six Rivers National Forest. It's full of bear and

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mountain lion. So anyway, I set my backpack down and

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I'm in my tent. I'm getting ready to crash out,

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and I'm actually horizontal at this point, and then i

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hear my backpack being drug and I'm like, oh no,

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I mean, I can't lose my food on the first

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day into this journey. So my defense, I didn't bring

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any firearm. I brought a hammock that I cut the

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ends off so I could use it like a thrownet,

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and a ca bar a knife, and a little thing

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of pepper spray I wore on my forearm. So with

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those three things, I was pretty confident I could deal

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with anything that you know, came at me or whatever.

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So I go out to get my backpack and I

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just yelled, hey, as my backpack is being drug into

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the bushes and I couldn't see what was dragging it.

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It was it was really dark, and and as soon

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as I yelled, I hear this. So it was a

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mountain lion dragging my backpack off. And so I continued

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over to my backpack. I could hear that from where

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he scowled at me. He was away from my backpack.

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He retreated into the into the bushes and trees, and

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so I don't remember what I did with my backpack

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after that, but that was that was it for the night.

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But that that was pretty much enough for one day.

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So anyway, I continued on in the journey. And you know,

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while I'm talking about bear, I had over one hundred

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bear sightings and encounters, some of them very close. There's

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so many bear up there. I saw seven bear in

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one hour at one point, and I had a total

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of five mountain lion encounters, a couple of them really close.

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So anyway, I continued on my journey and I meet

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this guy that lived in the He was like off grid.

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I didn't see his cabin. I think he was in

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his pickup, and he stopped when he saw me hiking

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on the road and we had a conversation and you know,

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I'm told him, I'm looking for At this point, I'm

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just talking to everybody about bigfoot. I mean, I'm talking

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to the locals. And I said, you know, you ever

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hear anything, see anything? He said, yeah, he said, I

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used to have one that came through my property about

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the same time every year for a few years. And

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you know, I'm like, whoa. And so he starts telling

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me about at one point, you know, they would they

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kind of had a bond that started to grow. And

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he said at one point, he said, he tossed a

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ball that he had in his yard to it, and

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it tossed it back. And this guy just sounded, you know,

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as matter of fact, like he just absolutely telling me

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the truth what happened. But I thought that was pretty astonishing,

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and I and talking to him further. He said, you know,

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I'm in that kind of the right general area, but

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the area I really wanted to go to was west

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of where I am, you know right now, And he

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described the location and what he was talking about was

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Bluff Creek. So I changed plans. I was like, wow,

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you know, I hadn't planning on going ninety miles into

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an area that you know may or may not, but

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Bluff Creek sounds like it has a lot better chance.

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So and at some point, I don't remember when it was,

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I probably did a total of five six expeditions up

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into this area of northern California. And it was either

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on this one or another one, I don't remember, but

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somebody had told me to check out the fish hatchery.

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There's been sightings around the fish hatch for years, and

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so I think it was on my route and then

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it was hiking. So I spent some time looking around

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the fish archery for any sign, and I did find

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a barefoot human barefoot, but it was extraordinarily wide, and

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it was only it was short. It was definitely a juvenile,

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but it was it was weirdly wide, and I measured

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the width of it with the handle of my k

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bar and it was the width of my K bar handle.

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And I don't remember how long the track was. I

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think it was eight nine ten inches or something like that.

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It just wasn't big, but it was just wide, so

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who knows, I don't know. So I made my way

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over to Bluff Creek. I went back into town and

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then headed up to Bluff Creek, and I got to

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Bluff Creek Campground. When you know, after exploring the map,

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that looked like my best entrance. I used to have

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those roads memorized. I think it was thirteen n or

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something that and now they call it the Bluff Creek Trail.

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Big so a society will be right back after these messages.

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But it was right kind of across from the Bluff

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Creek Campground. And so I got to the Bluff Creek

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Campground and by the time I got there, I figured

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I'm just going to spend the night there and camp out,

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and and I spoke with the owner when I checked in,

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and he came out. He's real friendly, talkative. And I

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sent you a picture of the Bluff Creek Company as

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I remember it back then. I think I just googled

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and found that old picture of it. But in the

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picture you see the porch on the Bluff Creek Company building,

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and that porch is where he and I stood and talked,

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leaning over the railing. And so, you know, I asked him,

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I said, so you're you're here, you know, what do

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you hear about Bigfoot? He said, Oh, my gosh, he

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said it was crazy back in the day, and he

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started telling me about how the media, you know, flocked

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in there at some point, you know, I don't remember.

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I think the attraction was there was a woman who

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claimed that she had been abducted and she came out

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of the woods and she was all scratched up, and

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the National Inquirer was there. He said it was a

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circus and it unfolded pretty much right in front of

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his business there, the Bluff Creek Campground, and that was

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very interesting. And I said, what about you ever see

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or hear anything? He said, well, you know, they used

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to come through the mountains behind me here every year

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about the same time, and I think he said February,

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and he'd hear him for about two weeks, screaming back

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and forth to each other as they migrated through the mountains,

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and then they would just disappear and he wouldn't hear

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him anymore. And I was like wow, I said, can

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you describe, you know, what the screen sounded like, And

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without even missing a beat, he let out his rendition

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of a bigfoot screen and I'm sure my jaw fell open,

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but I was like wow. And he said, but you know,

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they stopped about ten years back he said he hadn't

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heard him in the last ten years or so, but

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he said, you know, you come to the right place,

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he said, this Bluff Creek area. There's been sightings, you know,

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going back a long time. So oh, and he had

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his his general store then, and I asked him about it.

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He said, you know, I asked him, could you, you know,

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show me the inside, and he said sure, And we

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went over and he opened unlocked the door, and when

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I walked in, it was like he had just locked

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the door one day and never opened it again. It

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was fully stopped with so much memorabilia, mubs, shot glasses,

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just everything, the whole thing. But it was all covered

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in dust and cobwebs. It looked like been sitting a

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long time. And he was he was pretty unhappy, you know,

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when I talked about him with what had happened. He

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had a couple of gas pumps out in front of

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that Bluff Creek Company store, and the regulators came in

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and imposed some regulations on his gas pumps, which meant

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he would have to spend thousands of dollars to re

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line the tanks and all that stuff, and he just

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he couldn't do it, and he was really upset about it.

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He had to shut it down. And I've kind of wondered,

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you know, over the years if they didn't do that

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on purpose to make him less of an attraction for

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you know, because they really don't want people going in there.

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I don't believe and exploring the whole Bigfoot thing. And

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I'll go into that a little bit more down the road.

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But anyway, he was pretty discernled about that. But anyway,

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so it was great talking to him. Nice guy, and

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I think he had a brother then too. I'm pretty

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sure he's since passed away. But anyway, the next morning,

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I headed up what they now call the Bluff Creek

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Trail and it went west and followed basically along the

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left side of Bluff Creek up higher. And so I'm

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hiking up and I have an idea of where I

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want to go, and this is one of the interesting

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mountain lion encounters. Another this is all uphill for quite

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a way, as anybody who's taken that Bluff Creek trail nose,

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there's a lot of uphill in the beginning. But there

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was a big tree on the right hand side of

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the of the road and had a couple of branches

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still growing. I was all debarked and old that it

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had like a perfect notch to set my backpack down

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and for me to sit down in and relax, you know,

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for a minute. So I'm sitting there, and I wore

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and I had my thirty five millimeter camera on the

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outside of my backpack and a big case, protective case

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and in case I needed to get to it quick.

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So I set my backpack down and I'm sitting there relaxing,

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and it's just a quiet and beautiful day. And I

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hear this something coming through the brush on the other

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side of the logging road, and it's coming towards me,

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and so I stand up. I'm getting ready. I did

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carry a steel bar, and later it's too heavy. I

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later exchanged it for a walking stick, a sharpened walking stick.

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But anyway, I stood there ready for whatever was coming

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through the trees, because it was like it was making

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a beeline right towards me. And I see this buck

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pop out of the woods on the high side of

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the road on the left side, big beautiful racked buck,

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and it looks down at me. It's like, you know,

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almost standing above me, and it kind of made a

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snort and then bolted to the right down the road

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to my left. And so I said, oh, okay, well

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that's what was making the noise. No big deal. And

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so I sit back down. And then I hear noise

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from the same area again, and so I stand back up,

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and out pops a mountain lion. The buck was running

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from a mountain lion. So the mountain lion jumps down

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the bank. It now has me in its sights, and

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it comes down the bank and it gets to the

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middle of the logging road. And I think he was

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probably about forty feet away, and we're just facing each other,

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and he wasn't moving. He didn't know what he was

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going to do. I didn't know what he was going

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to do. But anyway, I thought, well I've got a

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little time. I reached back without turning away from him.

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I reached back and grabbed my camera out of its case,

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and I pulled it up and snapped a picture of

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him standing there, you know, looking at me. And I

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had no idea where that picture went, you know, thirty

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five millimeters in a shoe box somewhere. But anyway, he

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after a couple of minutes of just looking at each other,

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neither of us was gonna, you know, make any move

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towards each other or back away, until he finally decided

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to go stage left and he just walked off the

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road and down into the woods. But I just thought

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that was an interesting encounter. But the next one that's

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you know, happened later, is more interesting. But anyway, so

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I'll keep going. I kept hiking up Bluff Creek Trail

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and there's a there was a fork in the road,

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and I thought, well, I'm gonna take this down. This

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looks like a great area to go down to Bluff Creek,

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and there's an open area at the bottom of this switchback.

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I forget it was about half a mile maybe maybe

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a mile with all the switchbacks down to Bluff Creek,

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and so I take that down and I think I

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set up camp on the way down because it was

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a really big open area. And it's in one of

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the pictures that I sent you. It looked like it

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was an old logging camp that they had cleared out,

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and it was a really good place to set up

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a camp, good place for a campfire. Trees were like

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you know, nowhere around. It was a big open area,

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and so I I'm pretty sure. I set up my

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tent and just got ready. That was where I was

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going to camp for the night. But then I headed down,

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or I went down the next morning. I think I

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went down that afternoon. But anyway, i go down to

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Bluff Creek and I'm looking around and just looking for

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any kind of sign tracks, you know, always looking for tracks,

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And at this point I had seen tracks that were

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very interesting. One of them looked like it was in

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around a bowl. But you know, in the forest floor,

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you know, you rarely get a place that will hold

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a good track. It's the you know, the all the

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junk that falls on the forest floor, but you can't

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see some big impressions, especially in moss. Moss can hold

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a really good, nice outlined track. So anyway, I'm looking

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around Bluff Creek and I start seeing these trees, these

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spruce and I think there were spruce, maybe some pines,

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but the tops were broken off and the top was

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lying down next to the tree. I mean, like I

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saw like three or four in a row, and I'm

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like that is so strange. So and the tops of

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the trees were still green. They had not been off

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of that tree for very long. They hadn't had a

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chance to dry out. And so I examined the trees

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and I looked for it was, you know, a bear

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maybe chewing the tops of the trees off, but there

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were no teeth marks, and there were twists. These things

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were twisted, and it's like, now that's a hand that

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did that. And I was like, you know, I don't

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think people are doing this, but it definitely looks like

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a hand with the strong grips, especially a tree that's

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you know, one inch in diameter at the top. You know,

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you try and grab a one inch diameter tree and

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twist it and break it off and drop it down

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next to the tree, you gotta have some pretty powerful hands.

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And some were thicker than that. And I sent you

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a picture of one tree break that was about two

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inches in diameter. Absolutely, I cannot figure out how anything

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other than an extremely large, powerful hand could bend it

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and break it. And when I when I got this

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sample break, it was a green, healthy tree. The power

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it took to do that was it's astonishing. But anyway,

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so I'm finding these breaks and then I did find

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impression large impressions. Now you know bear and squatches, you know,

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they occupy the same territory. So you know, I'm sure

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there's times where you can look at and go that

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could be a.

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Squatch big for society will be right back after these messages,

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or it could.

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Be a bear. But you know, on a side note,

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any of the time that I spent down in this

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area of Bluff Creek, I never saw a bear. And

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I had seen like I said, I stopped counting bear

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at a hundred. Literally, I was seeing so many bear

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I saw him all over the place, but I never

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saw any in this area of Bluff Creek, which I

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didn't think about too much of the time, but later

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thought it was kind of odd. So I'm finding the

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impression and these twisted trees, and some of them were

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bigger twists, and you know, higher off the ground, and

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I would look on the tree to see did something

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climb up this tree to get to the top, because

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a bear can't reach that high with his mouth. And

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there was no damage to the limbs going up the tree,

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absolutely completely pristine, as though something reached the cross and

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grabbed the top, twisted it, broke it off and dropped

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it right next to the tree. That's the signature break

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that I was finding. So I'm like, wow, this is

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really interesting. And so anyway, I head back to my camp,

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back up the switch back, and I get to my

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camp and I think I made dinner, and then I

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started exploring around my camp and there was a trail

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that went north out of my camp, and I walked

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down that trail and I found two more trees right

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next to each other with the same signature twist off,

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with the tops lying right next to them, and I

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and I examined these closely, and there was there was

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sap in one of them, and the sap had trapped hair.

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So I cut this section of the twist off and

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put it in a baggie with the sap, a little

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piece of the tree and the hair, and so the

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fast forward. You know. When I got back, you know,

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I told my my father about my little adventure and

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he's you know, he's like, oh, come on, Rory, bigfoot hunting.

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Are you serious? And I said, Dad, I got hair samples.

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I think there's I like to have him check out.

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And he said, well, you know what he said, My

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dad was a sheriff at the time. He said, you know,

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I got a buddy who's a retired FBI forensic hair specialist.

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He said, why don't you send me the samples and

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I'll have him check them out. And I'm sure he

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wanted to come back and tell me, you know, Rory,

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you're wasting your time. Those were whatever, And like three

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weeks later he called me out with a really surprised

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tone in his voice. He said, he doesn't know what

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they are. He said, he doesn't have a match in

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any of the hair samples he's collected over his entire career.

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And he asked where I got them. So he was

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interested in where I got the hair samples. So my

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dad was like, now he had an interest in what

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I was doing. So anyway, so I camped out that

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night and finding the twist Offs in close proximity to

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where my camp was. This is what I thought to myself.

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I think I'm writing Bigfoot's backyard, and that was my goal,

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was to put myself in Bigfoot's backyard. And from what

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I had read in the books, they're very curious about campfires.

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I'm sure for a couple of reasons. You know, any

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animal sees a fire in the woods, they need to

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know whether they need to leave or if it's not

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a big deal. So my plan was was to set

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up a big campfire and attract you know, Saskuatch to me.

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And because there's no way I'm going to chase one

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down or track one or follow one or any of

450
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:28.760
that kind of nonsense. So and like I said, this

451
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:33.880
was an old logging camp and there was cut off

452
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:40.159
stumps and stuff all over the place. It was like

453
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.559
left and it'd been sitting there for many years. I mean,

454
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.199
you picked up a log, it felt like a giant

455
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:52.280
roll of paper. And you know the story that I wrote.

456
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.920
I said, I collected about two cords of wood. Well,

457
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.639
now I live in Colorado and I know what two

458
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.719
cords of wood is now, But back then it wasn't

459
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.239
two quarts of wood, but it was a lot of

460
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.519
wood because it was laying all over the place. So

461
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.360
I spent the evening collecting this huge pile of wood

462
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.880
and set it lengthwise along the side of my campfire.

463
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.039
So my plan was, and like I said, I'm in

464
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.199
a big open area, so I felt, you know, comfortable

465
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:32.159
in making a large fire, and I did it. I

466
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.639
got that thing, you know, going pretty good and to

467
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:39.679
the point where it would illuminate, you know, high up

468
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.719
on the trees that were around this this open area,

469
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:53.039
and so I'm keeping the fire going and and you know,

470
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:56.679
like I said in my story that I wrote, and

471
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:01.679
it was on Matt Moneymaker's BF website when he when

472
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.320
he launched that back in nineteen ninety five, I think

473
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:11.760
he called it a Mission to Bluff Creek, and that

474
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:15.559
story on the homepage of his website, I think got

475
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.039
an awful lot of attention and word spread because I

476
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:25.920
got some phone calls and things about it. But anyway,

477
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.280
so in that story I put you know, I was

478
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:37.119
sharpening my walking stick, which I noticed was now much

479
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:41.320
larger than the one I started with, and so I

480
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:45.400
was sharpening that and keeping the fire going, you know,

481
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.719
constantly looking up and down. You know, being ex military,

482
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.280
you think in terms of likely avenue of approach. You

483
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.800
know something's going to come towards you. There's going to

484
00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:01.400
be likely avenues that they'll take to get you. So

485
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.000
I'm looking up and down the likely avenues of approach,

486
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:13.679
which is basically north and south. And it was getting

487
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:18.800
after midnight, and I'm thinking, you know, I don't know.

488
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.480
If I don't just something doesn't happen pretty soon, I'm

489
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.079
just going to get a good night's sleep and the

490
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.280
head back down to the creek in the morning, and

491
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.440
I think it was about one o'clock in the morning,

492
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:39.880
still sharpening the stick, looking left, looking right, and I

493
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:46.360
looked up to my left and looked square into a

494
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:55.079
pair of nocturnal eyes. And there was the funny thing

495
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:59.280
about this. There was no you know, second or two

496
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:06.559
to think, like, what's that. It was instantaneous. I knew

497
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.960
that one was standing and I paced it off the

498
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:15.480
next morning. I think it was sixty five seventy feet

499
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:24.039
from me, and the intelligent curiosity that it stared at

500
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.800
me with is like no other animal that I've ever

501
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:34.320
experienced out there. And the eyes were well off the

502
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:40.400
ground because I knew my campsite pretty well at that night,

503
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.320
I'd been sitting around it for hours, and I knew

504
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:48.119
these eyes are off the ground, and it looked to

505
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:56.119
be standing behind about a nine foot tree that I

506
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.639
knew was right there because I passed it coming into

507
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:05.559
my camp, and so we stared at each other. It

508
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:10.719
stayed directly focused on me, and I think it had

509
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.679
to have been about ten minutes. It was a long

510
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:23.559
time nocturnal eyes and they shifted from side to side

511
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.679
as though he was rocking back and forth from one

512
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.320
leg to the other, and one eye would kind of

513
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.760
disappear for a second, like he is behind that bush,

514
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.679
and then it would, you know, come back. And I

515
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.440
watched this and so long that my neck was crooked

516
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.079
to the side. I didn't want to turn away from him.

517
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.599
I didn't know what was going to happen. So like

518
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.119
the first thing that happened, you know, when I saw

519
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:58.400
his eyes is I knew immediately what it was. And

520
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:03.079
the hair on my back lifted my shirt. I wore

521
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:06.079
a flannel shirt and it lifted it off of my back.

522
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.079
And I felt that and I was I remember, like

523
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:17.800
whoa that I've never had that kind of reaction ever,

524
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:25.719
and it was so strong and and you know, my

525
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.960
next real thought was, after feeling that happened, was I

526
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.639
hope no one has ever shot at this animal. I

527
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:37.599
hope he doesn't have any ill will towards human beings.

528
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.400
Because he's only got to close about seventy feet. There's

529
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.400
there's nothing I can do. And this walking stick and

530
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.559
this pepper spray and this throw net and this k

531
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:52.920
bar knife are not going to do, you know, anything.

532
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.800
So we stared at each other, And as we stared

533
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:05.519
at each other longer, I started getting really comfortable and getting,

534
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.280
you know, this feeling that this is just an intelligent,

535
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:19.519
curious being and he means no harm to me, and

536
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:21.760
I think he knows I mean no harm to him.

537
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:31.159
So after minutes, his eyes and my eyes like started

538
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.880
getting sore. I'm staring at him, and his eyes started

539
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.360
getting harder to see. And I realized that I hadn't

540
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.440
paid attention to the campfire, and that wood burn so

541
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:44.639
quick I had to keep stoking it. And so now

542
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:48.920
I was so completely comfortable with him standing there watching me.

543
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:55.119
I turned my back to him, took two steps to

544
00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.360
the woodpile, grabbed a big old log and on it

545
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.320
over and put it back on the fire, and you know,

546
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:10.880
that old wood just litle it right up, and I

547
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:16.760
couldn't see him anymore. He was gone, so and in

548
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:19.840
that time, you know, I wanted to see his body,

549
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:24.079
you know, I wanted more confirmation as much as I

550
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.119
knew what stood there for ten minutes and stared at

551
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.880
me like no other animal. Now I could see a

552
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.599
mountain lion doing that, but you know, it's a smaller

553
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.840
set of eyes lower to the ground. There was nothing

554
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.679
for a mountain lion to get off the ground.

555
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:39.840
There.

556
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:45.880
It was, you know, kind of a sparse, little nine

557
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:52.320
foot you know, growth whatever it was, and nothing that

558
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:57.000
would support a mountain lion. So and while this staring

559
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:02.960
thing went on, raised my left hand. You know, at first,

560
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:07.039
I didn't feel comfortable raising anything, but at one point

561
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.559
I got comfortable enough to raise my left hand and

562
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.639
I put his eyes underneath my thumb, and I could

563
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:23.079
see that a lone pine tree just came above the

564
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.280
edge at the top of my hand. So basically his

565
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:33.639
eyes were a hand with below this single tall pine

566
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.519
And I'm like, okay, I got my bearings. I know

567
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:40.400
exactly where he is, I know exactly how high his

568
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:45.000
eyes off are off the ground. Tomorrow morning when I

569
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:50.079
sized this all up, and I thought about, you know,

570
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.280
after he left, I thought about going and looking for tracks,

571
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.199
you know, with a flashlight. But it's really hard seeing

572
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:01.840
tracks in grass and hoars floor and all that, especially

573
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.440
at night with a flashlight. It just doesn't have any

574
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:08.199
three dimensional perspective.

575
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.639
Bigs A society will be right back after these messages.

576
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.480
So I sat there for the rest of the night,

577
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:42.000
and I stayed up very excited, and I thought he

578
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:46.159
came back. I thought I saw his eyes, but further

579
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.800
back up the logging road, because he had walked in

580
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.360
on a logging road up to my campsite. He didn't

581
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:58.239
come through the brush, and so I think he went

582
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.280
back out the same way he came him. And I

583
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.639
could swore I could see his eyes again, but further back.

584
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.079
So I thought, you know, he'd come back to see

585
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.519
if I'm still here when i'm you know, I'm up

586
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:18.639
to So the next morning, the sun comes up and

587
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.519
I wait until I got really good light, and I

588
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.320
don't want to disturb anything and go over there and

589
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:31.679
mess anything up, but I go over to the logging

590
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.119
road and I could see on the sides of the

591
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.119
logging roads up there, there's this grass that grows like

592
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:42.559
a foot tall, and I could see perfect I think

593
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:47.800
they were about eighteen inches long by seven inches wide,

594
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:53.280
perfect human shape, No toes, you know, just a big

595
00:46:53.480 --> 00:47:01.840
flattened step step step step step up behind that tree

596
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.280
that I knew he was standing behind. And I could

597
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.480
see that it looked like he had been shuffling around

598
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.679
there because his prints were just, you know, all on

599
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.880
top of each other, and it basically was just like

600
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:20.199
a shuffled area. And I was like, he walked in

601
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.480
right here, nice and quiet, walk right down this logging

602
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.480
road right on the side of it, threw this grass

603
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.000
up to this tree and stood behind it and watched

604
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:36.119
me for ten minutes. And so I go back to

605
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:40.440
my you know, campsite. It was either before or after,

606
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.800
I remember, and I put my hand up to that

607
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:49.079
lone pine and looked to see where his eyes were

608
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.360
on the bottom edge of my thumb, and it was

609
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:57.039
at the top of that tree. And it all added

610
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.239
up to him standing there and standing behind it and

611
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:07.119
shifting back and forth and and that, and I was like, wow,

612
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:15.800
I was pretty stoked. So I had, you know, the

613
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.440
hair sample, and I did take pictures of the of

614
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.880
the grass where the tracks were, but you know, it's

615
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:29.000
just it doesn't come out worth anything. It's not even

616
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:34.679
worth anything. So and I don't know what happened to those,

617
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.400
but anyway, so I'm like, well, I could hang out

618
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.079
here and you know, see if I can get another encounter.

619
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:51.280
But I was actually pretty excited to get back, and

620
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.320
you know kind of I don't know, I just I

621
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:59.840
was ready to go, and uh, not that I was,

622
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.559
you know, afraid of anything. But I felt like that

623
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.400
was a pretty good experience. So I packed up everything

624
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:16.960
and I had, like, I think it's about sixteen miles

625
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.159
to get back to Bluff Creek Campground and that was

626
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.800
going to be my goal. And a lot of it

627
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.119
was uphill, and so, you know, I wanted to get

628
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:33.079
back to Bluff Creek Campground. So I headed out and

629
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.880
I'm walking up the logging road out of my camp,

630
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:41.119
the same logging road that I believe he had walked

631
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:49.960
in on. And I I'm only about seventy five feet

632
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:56.440
up the logging road and all hell breaks loose in

633
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:02.440
the brush to my left, and it is huge. Whatever

634
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:07.320
it is is huge. So those Alice packs have quick

635
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:11.559
releases on the shoulder straps, and I hit the quick

636
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:16.239
releases to dump the pack and grab the pepper spray.

637
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.880
And you know, before I could even get the pepper

638
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.199
spray out, I could tell it was going away for me.

639
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:30.400
And it was making an amazing amount of noise and

640
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.719
it wasn't going around trees. It sounded like it was

641
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:40.800
going through trees. I mean the brakes were I mean,

642
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.360
it was whatever it was was extremely powerful and it

643
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.440
was very fast, and it was crashing through the woods

644
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:52.000
away from me, and I tried to listen to you know,

645
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.639
you know, in the forest floor, and it sounded by people.

646
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:04.440
It didn't sound quadrupedal, but you know, everything happened really fast,

647
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.880
but it definitely sounded like sounded like he laid up

648
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.400
there the whole night, and he actually had a vantage

649
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.000
to my campsite from where he would have been laying

650
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:21.360
to lie there the whole night and watch me. And

651
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.679
I surprised him by heading straight out of my camp

652
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.840
the next morning and walking right towards him, and he

653
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:33.440
just bolted and I could hear him run down the

654
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.159
mountain side and he was covering a lot of ground

655
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.519
really fast. And then I could hear him get down

656
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.239
to the bottom and then start going up the other

657
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:51.000
side of this little valley, this like ravine and actually

658
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:54.559
this really huge ravine, more like a little valley. And

659
00:51:56.199 --> 00:52:02.960
I was like, whoa, you know, adrenaline rush. And so

660
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.599
that was it. I put my backpack on and then

661
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:11.239
headed back to Bluff Creek campground. And the thing that's

662
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.639
weird about this, and I know a lot of people

663
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:19.599
you know, talk about esp and you know other things.

664
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.119
One thing that I did get when I was looking

665
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:31.159
at him is a real sense of you know, there's

666
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.639
no worry here, you know, looking at him, it was

667
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:41.079
just an intelligent, curious and I got a sense of loneliness.

668
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.960
I don't know why. It's maybe in my head, I

669
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.159
don't know. But anyway, so I make it back to

670
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:54.519
bluff Crete campground and I'm taking a shower and I'm

671
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.679
pretty amped up, and I'll never forget this. I'm just

672
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.480
scrubbing my hair on my face and I was doing

673
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.280
it so vigorously i jammed my little finger into my

674
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:13.599
eye socket covered in soap, and I'll never forget that.

675
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:18.440
But anyway, the thing that I was thinking while I

676
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:20.880
was in the shower is I don't want to tell

677
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:26.360
anybody where this happened. I didn't want to tell anybody

678
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:31.800
where he was, and I thought that is absolutely strange.

679
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:36.519
You put all this time and effort and planning into

680
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:42.519
going and doing this and hoping to have an experience,

681
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.519
but then you don't want to tell anybody really about

682
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:50.920
it or where it happened, specifically where it happened. I

683
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:56.360
didn't want people going in there, and so I kept

684
00:53:56.360 --> 00:54:02.679
it to myself for a long time. But but you know,

685
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:08.079
now I've shared it because you know, a whole bunch

686
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:10.840
of people can go in there, and you know they

687
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:18.760
can take care of themselves. But anyway, so let's see,

688
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:24.159
I'm going down my my list here of things I

689
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:29.480
was going to try and remember. Oh well, so I've

690
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:34.159
made a number of visits to that particular area of

691
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.679
Bluff Creek and it's a beautiful area. It's really wide

692
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.440
open in this one section. I don't know if any

693
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:46.360
other sections like it. And I didn't realize that at

694
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.960
the time, but there's a feeder creek that feeds into

695
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:57.920
Bluff Creek right there, and it's called Bigfoot Creek. Two words,

696
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:06.280
not one word, big a creek, And so I thought, well,

697
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:13.119
it got its name years ago, possibly for a reason.

698
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:19.320
And the other thing I thought, and I'm pretty sure

699
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:21.519
I used to get a map every year I went

700
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.599
up there, a forestry map, and I could swear one

701
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.280
year they did not have Bigfoot Creek as the name

702
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.880
of that creek, and then another year they did, but

703
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:44.639
I'm not sure about that. But anyway, so let's see

704
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.239
any questions or are you there?

705
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:51.960
Yes, the gentleman who was looking at your hair was

706
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:53.159
that doctor Fahrenbach.

707
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:59.159
He was the second person I sent hair samples too,

708
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.880
and he sent he sent me a letter back, which

709
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:07.960
I have no idea where it is that he said

710
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.639
he did he did not know what it was, and

711
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:17.559
he talked about the inner medula or whatever. But he

712
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.800
did not come back and say it was a vice

713
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:27.559
or that inconclusive, which I thought was very interesting. And

714
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.880
I later seen him in TV shows talking about a

715
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:36.199
hair sample that he had received around the same time

716
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.239
that I had submitted my hair samples, and he said

717
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.159
those are the ones he used to test all other

718
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:47.119
bigfoot hair hair samples against. Right, So I don't I

719
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:48.480
don't know if it was mine.

720
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.960
Here's what I'm thinking, because yeah, I've seen those two,

721
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:56.440
like those old nineties docs that he's in, like the

722
00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:01.840
Henry Franzoni one, and then he's talking about the gold

723
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:08.280
standard hair. And if I was to guess it, sounds

724
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.840
like that was that was probably your hair, was like

725
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.400
is the gold standard fair and back hair?

726
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:22.920
I think it was because the timing is right. And yeah,

727
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.639
and and you know I did this before, you know,

728
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.599
bigfoot hunting was at least as far as I know,

729
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.760
you know, when I said I went looking for bigfoot.

730
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.239
Everybody was like, how ridiculous now you say that, and

731
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:42.320
everybody's like, how cool. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, back then

732
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.559
I think, you know, I sent it to him and

733
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:48.960
he's like, whoa, you know, what's this guy sends me

734
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:53.559
some hair thinking it might be a bigfoot. And so anyway,

735
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.679
he sent me the letter back, and I was, you know,

736
00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:00.639
really satisfied with the letter that you know, he didn't

737
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.559
say it was a bigfoot hair, but he didn't say

738
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:06.000
it was any other kind of hair. And he said

739
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.440
it had some similarities to human hair, but it wasn't

740
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:15.519
human hair. So and if I remember quite correctly, it

741
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:24.000
was you know, a bit wavy and you know, not short,

742
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:29.880
not real long. But anyway, I also gave some hair

743
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:34.559
to Peter Gatia. I gave out all my stuff. I

744
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.599
was like, you know, I'm not one to keep stuff.

745
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:40.960
I don't know why. I just want to have the

746
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:47.400
experience and you know, to get proof. So I didn't

747
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:49.639
keep a lot of stuff. So I gave Peter Gatilla

748
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.320
some and he was kind of surprised. I just gave

749
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.440
him to him. And and and those were some in

750
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:02.280
a baggie too. I think with some twist off Tree

751
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:05.840
and SAP. But you know, back when I got back

752
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:11.079
to southern California, you know, I met with Danny Perez

753
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.840
and you know, we met at a restaurant and then

754
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:20.679
I don't I forget who it was. It was either

755
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:23.280
Danny Perez or Peter Gatillez said that there was this

756
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:26.800
guy who wanted to talk to me about what I

757
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:30.880
found up there. And uh so we met at a

758
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:35.480
restaurant and he said his name's Carl and he said

759
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:40.800
he's formercy I A. And I'm like, well, okay, you

760
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.159
just come right out and say it. And he and

761
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.360
I think at that time he was flying for the

762
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.880
Forestry Service, but he said he was pharmacy I A.

763
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:56.960
And he was interested in what I had found, and

764
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:00.760
I you know, told him all about it. And I

765
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.039
started telling this story to people so many times. That's

766
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:08.480
why I typed up my original story. You know, friends

767
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:11.360
and family would ask me about it, and I recited

768
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:14.480
the same stuff over and over. So I decided this

769
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:19.440
type it up and hand it out when somebody asked me.

770
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:27.280
And that's how, you know, I think I contacted Matt

771
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.599
Moneymaker and told him I had this write up. And

772
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.920
you said, send it to me. So I sent it

773
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.360
to him. He said, oh my gosh, can I put

774
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:36.400
this on my website?

775
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.440
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

776
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:58.719
So I said sure, and you put it on the

777
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:02.840
home and back then the BFR website was like, I

778
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.840
don't know, it was like almost brand new. It was

779
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.000
like a couple of pages.

780
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:09.960
Did you have any dealings with Peter burn at all?

781
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:15.119
Yeah? Yeah, I forget what year it was, because I

782
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:19.679
went up in ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, ninety six.

783
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.239
Matt Moneymaker and I went up there. I took him

784
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.679
to that campsite and showed him the whole you know,

785
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.000
where it happened, where it stood, the whole nine yards,

786
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:36.119
and we drove up together. Yeah. Matt and I were

787
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:40.000
buddies for a while when I lived in Laguna Beach.

788
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.280
So yeah. On one of my trips, I came back

789
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:49.039
through Oregon and stopped in at the Bigfoot Bigfoot Research

790
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:55.039
project with Peter Burne. And he had a couple of

791
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.440
other people that he was working with, a lady and

792
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.840
a guy. I used to know their names, but now

793
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.360
I was the database of one of them, fran Zoni.

794
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:13.760
No I don't think so. Uh, But but the lady

795
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:17.800
she did all the office stuff, and the younger guy, gosh,

796
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:19.840
I used to know their names right off the top

797
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:24.800
of my head. But anyway, I was a database developer

798
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.599
for years, and I carried my laptop around with me,

799
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:34.599
and they were had some you know, old way of

800
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.599
managing their contacts and phone numbers and conversations and stuff.

801
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:43.519
So I developed a database, a contact database for the

802
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:47.079
Bigfoot research project. While I was there hanging out with

803
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.719
him and Peter and I drove around and is I

804
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:53.440
forget it as I think it was like a small car.

805
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:57.960
But we drove around and did stuff and talked a

806
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:02.719
little bit, and I trying to convince Peter Peter, I

807
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.679
know where they are. I know there's a place that

808
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:12.920
has a really high likelihood of successful contact. And I

809
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:17.079
couldn't get any of them. And I think he had

810
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:21.360
a five hundred thousand dollars grant at the time. I

811
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:25.239
couldn't get him to, you know, be interested in that location.

812
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.039
So I hung out with him for a while. I

813
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:34.280
forget how long, long enough to develop a little database

814
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:39.760
for him. And so yeah, so I met Peter Burn

815
01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:49.199
and so you know, in ninety four, I went back

816
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:55.559
and Okay, I'm starting to get the years mixed up.

817
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.599
But anyway, I spent a lot of time with Al

818
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:06.440
and Mark Hodgson, two really great people. I mean they

819
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:10.440
were just Mark let me sleep in the fire station

820
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.679
when I was in town when I wasn't out looking.

821
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.960
I don't know if I should say that, but anyway,

822
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:22.800
everybody was fine with it. Yeah, everybody was fine with it.

823
01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.400
So I hung out with you know, Alan, Mark. You

824
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:30.400
know at that time, Jay Rowland used to be sitting

825
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:38.039
around the outdoor eatery table and I sat with him

826
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.639
a couple of times and we would just talk about

827
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.599
and he liked talking to me, I think because he

828
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:47.360
knew I was I was like really going out in

829
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:50.239
the woods and spending a lot of time. So he figured,

830
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:54.039
you know, this guy's not just whatever, So he took

831
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.119
the time to spent a lot of time talking to me.

832
01:04:56.199 --> 01:05:00.519
And I really interesting guy, had a lot of a

833
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:06.280
lot of old knowledge. So I forget what year it was,

834
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:10.559
it might have been ninety four. So I go back

835
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:24.239
up there and Al contacts John Green so he says,

836
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:26.599
you know, hey, there's this guy down here. He says

837
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:32.840
he's finding stuff, and of course that's John Green's, that's

838
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:35.960
his neck of the woods. I mean, I'm pretty sure

839
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.840
it struck a chord with him. So anyway, John Green

840
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:41.800
al got John Green and Bob Titmas to come down

841
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:47.280
and we all went to the location that I've been

842
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.480
telling you about, that big open area down by Bluff Creek,

843
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.679
and we went down there and I showed him the

844
01:05:55.800 --> 01:06:01.039
tree breaks and I showed him you know, tracks, and

845
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:08.360
you know, it could have been bear trail. I definitely

846
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:10.960
have seen some bigfoot tracks. But what I showed him

847
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.559
that day, you know, I'm not sure about. But he

848
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:20.199
was not impressed so and maybe rightly so. But anyway,

849
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:24.119
Bob Tittmas took a real liking to me because Bob

850
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:27.599
Tittmas is an old bush guy. You know, he's really

851
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.360
into the field stuff, and he sensed that that's what

852
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.440
I was into. And you know, back then, I was

853
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.639
chewing Redman and Bob Titmas was I think he was

854
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:41.159
chewing skull. And we sat on a log next to

855
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.559
each other, and we definitely, we definitely hit it off.

856
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:52.639
So we spent a little time there and and John said, okay,

857
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:58.840
well how about we take you to the Patterson Gimblan

858
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:03.679
film site. I said, Nah, not really interested in going

859
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:06.880
up there. That's that's, you know, ancient history. I'm more

860
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:10.599
interested in what's going on here right now, Okay. And

861
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:15.400
I don't think I don't think so. I don't think

862
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:16.960
that went over well with John.

863
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:18.599
This is John Green.

864
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:26.239
Yeah, and yeah, John Green and als let's go, let's

865
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.800
go to the you know, we'll show you where it is.

866
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.239
And I was like, no, I'm not really interested. I

867
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:33.800
think I think Bob Tittmans had a little smoke on

868
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:38.519
his face together nineties ninety four.

869
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:43.239
Oh wow, Okay, so you're you're like, I gotta so

870
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:46.519
you're hanging out with dudes that were like the ones

871
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:52.719
that we're seeing tracks in Bluff Creek like back in

872
01:07:52.719 --> 01:08:00.719
the sixties, like Jay Rowland, Al Hodge and uh Titmus

873
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:02.679
like all those guys. That's incredible.

874
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:08.239
Yeah. And I spoke to the granddaughter of the lagger

875
01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:12.519
who found the fifty gallon drums full tossed over the

876
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:19.479
side you know there. I think there were a couple

877
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:25.039
of guys. He's the most famous, but I don't remember

878
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.119
her name, but she's you know, she was the granddaughter.

879
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:33.680
She said, my grandfather told me about the barrels, and

880
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:37.399
and so you know, this is a family member reciting

881
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:42.279
what was told by their you know, their their family member.

882
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:46.279
I talked talked to a lot of interesting people. I

883
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:51.039
talked to a woman in her late eighties who had

884
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:55.239
owned a couple of businesses in Willow Creek. And you know,

885
01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:56.960
I went to a I think it was a fourth

886
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:00.439
of July and and every you know, word in town

887
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.600
was this guy is hunting Bigfoot, and people would come

888
01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:08.239
up to me. And this lady came up to me.

889
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.239
She said, you know, back around the turn of the century,

890
01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.439
she said, when she was a little girl, she remembered

891
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:24.279
hearing stories of the trash being rated by these things,

892
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:29.880
and also that women weren't allowed to go to the

893
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:35.880
river by themselves. And I mean, this is just you're

894
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:42.199
talking to a very intelligent she's still very sharp, very

895
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:46.560
matter of factly telling me that, yeah, you know, it's

896
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:49.479
been going on for years, and you know, the more

897
01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:52.359
you talk to the locals, it's common knowledge.

898
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:57.039
I also jumped right in the middle of your John

899
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.920
Green story, which is terrible. So how did how did

900
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:00.439
that go?

901
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:06.279
That's good? Now, that's good. Well, I never saw John

902
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:11.319
Green again, oh, Bob Tittmas. And you know, around that

903
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.199
time before I went back up there, I had called

904
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:19.199
and spoke to Renee de Hinden, Grover Krantz. Those were

905
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:24.199
phone calls, and I also called around to you know,

906
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:30.279
major universities across the country, and they laughed at me.

907
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.880
You know, Bigfoot, there's no I'm like, you know, this

908
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:41.600
is science. You know, there's a preponderance of evidence. There's

909
01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:46.439
a huge amount of evidence, an eyewitness testimony that these

910
01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:51.279
beings exist. You guys are scientists, you know you should

911
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:56.760
want to investigate. And they just all laughed it off.

912
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:03.960
But you know, yeah, there was some interesting conversations.

913
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:08.840
What kind of things did you talk to Reneede to

914
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:12.680
Hendon about.

915
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.600
I think the same thing as everybody else, that there's

916
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.039
this area in Bluff Creek that I found and this

917
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:23.319
is the experience that I had, and and about the

918
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:29.359
tree breaks and you know, I don't remember, but that's

919
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:32.439
just what I was talking to everybody about. Wow, you know,

920
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.720
it's pretty much reciting the same thing over and over. Hey,

921
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.920
I think I know there's I think I know there's

922
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.520
a place, and so where we're talking about when you

923
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:46.439
look at the pictures I sent you is right next

924
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:51.520
to that little creek that he's into Bluff Creeks called

925
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:56.159
Bigfoot Creek. And I didn't discover that name until after

926
01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:59.760
my first expedition, which I was like WHOA. So anyway,

927
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:06.279
and in later times, so I visited that place again,

928
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:12.159
and that's where I had my second or my third

929
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:17.479
mountain lion encounter. I was down in the flats. I

930
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:22.000
brought my breakfast down by the river and started a

931
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:26.720
little campfire, and I brought a little day pack down

932
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:30.119
there and made my breakfast down there. I mean, it's

933
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:34.199
just beautiful. I mean, it what an adventure. It's just gorgeous.

934
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:37.680
And so I'm making my oatmeal and I'm stirring it,

935
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:42.199
and I'm facing towards Bluff Creek and I'm kind of

936
01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:45.920
like in a you know, a sumo squat over my

937
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:53.720
pot and I'm stirring the boiling oatmeal, and for whatever reason,

938
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:59.560
I got the notion to turn around, and I kind

939
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:03.199
of sliveled on the balls on my feet and I

940
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:06.279
turn around and I'm looking at a mountain lion that

941
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:09.439
is about twenty feet away from me, just emerging from

942
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:16.880
the brush. And where I mean, if i'd awaited, you know,

943
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:20.239
a couple few seconds longer, he'd have been on my back.

944
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:26.159
So as I face him, I slowly started standing up,

945
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:30.199
and I wore that thrownt, that hammock thrownet on my

946
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:35.640
left front belt and I unsnapped I think it was

947
01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:40.560
in a hand grenade holder, a military hand grenade holder,

948
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:44.359
and so I pull out the throw net. I unsnapped

949
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:48.239
the k bar and I have the k bar knife

950
01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:51.039
in my right hand and the thrownet in my left hand.

951
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:56.479
And the idea came to me. You know, when I

952
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.960
visited my mom, she had cats, and I would play

953
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.359
with them by stalking them the same way that they stalk,

954
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:07.960
you know, how they their head is like locked and

955
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:12.159
they only their lower body moves, and they're you know,

956
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:14.399
they just are like coming at you and their eyes

957
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:17.520
and their head just don't even shift, but their lower

958
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:20.439
body just works underneath their head. So that's what I did.

959
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:25.520
I stood up, and then I crouched lower and I

960
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:30.039
locked eyes on the mountain line and I just didn't

961
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:33.479
move my head. I just started walking towards it with

962
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:40.800
my lower body and it looked at me and it

963
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:46.439
turned to the side, and I swear I remember seeing

964
01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:50.600
it's Adam's apple. What you know, I don't even don't

965
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:53.159
even know if mountain lions have Adam's apple, but it

966
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:57.000
looked like it swallowed, and it turned to the left

967
01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:01.880
and slowly, keeping us right eye on me, slinked off

968
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:03.560
into the brush.

969
01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.760
Big So society will be right back after these messages.

970
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:29.479
Now, you know, I wouldn't suggest anybody else. It worked

971
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:33.000
for me one time. It may not work again, but anyway,

972
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:38.399
it worked perfectly. He's like, no, this ain't pray this

973
01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:42.119
thing's coming at me. I'm leaving. So I just thought

974
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:47.680
that was a really interesting encounter. Could have gone a

975
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:57.199
different way. But so, anyway, more stuff that went on

976
01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:01.800
down there. Okay, So the more time I spent down there,

977
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:05.239
the more I started looking at these broken trees. And

978
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:10.800
then I started realizing I'm seeing broken trees that had

979
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:16.079
been broken off, the tops broken off and had regrown.

980
01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:23.000
So this had been going on for decades. Like I'm

981
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:28.039
fully convinced now this is an area that these things

982
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:32.479
have been inhabited for a long time, and it's a

983
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:37.600
beautiful place to inhabit. So but I had I had

984
01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:41.960
some more confirmation down the road. So I'm looking at

985
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.640
you know, twist offs and tracks and all that. I

986
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:49.399
did find some excrement that it totally looked like. There

987
01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:53.880
were two eighteen inch padded feet on that had straddled

988
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:57.319
this pile of excrement, and it looked like it didn't

989
01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:00.399
look like bare excrement. It looked like human excre but

990
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.520
it was a huge pile, just the way it comes

991
01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:10.079
out of the intestinentes and coils into a pile. But anyway,

992
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:12.199
I collected some of that. I never turned it in.

993
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.279
I carried it around when I got back. I worked

994
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.520
in the IT department. I carried it around the IT

995
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:24.079
department and I got some pretty interesting reactions. I could

996
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:27.239
hear people in the cubicles. There's the guy who looks

997
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:33.039
for bigfoot. You know. It was pretty interesting in the workplace.

998
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.159
But anyway, so I had that excrement. I never had

999
01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:39.119
a test and it dried up, and I don't know

1000
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:42.000
whatever happened to it. But anyway, I found a tree,

1001
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.960
an older spruce that had been broken off, and I

1002
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.359
carried a tape measure with me, of course for measuring

1003
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:55.359
tracks and whatever. And the break was at fourteen feet

1004
01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:01.239
There is no way and the top the green top

1005
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:06.079
was lying right next to the tree, just like all

1006
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.840
the others, twisted off and discarded right at the base

1007
01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:13.760
of the tree. So I'm like, there's no way a

1008
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:17.199
bear is getting up there to do anything with the

1009
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:21.439
top of this tree without leaving some sign through the

1010
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:26.079
branches climbing up. And it was a pristine tree. There

1011
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:34.239
was no damage, no nothing, no bends, no broken off anything,

1012
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.479
all up the side of the tree. I examined that

1013
01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:40.560
thing for an hour, and I was absolutely convinced that

1014
01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:43.720
whatever took the top of that tree off reached over

1015
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:48.079
and twisted it off with a strong hand and an

1016
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:52.600
i opposable thumb. So I'm looking around the tree, and

1017
01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:56.199
you know, this is hard packed ground down there by

1018
01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:59.560
the river bed, you know, in this big open area

1019
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:06.239
alongside a bluff creek. And I see a twig that

1020
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:12.600
was mashed into the ground, and I see that it's

1021
01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:17.800
like where a heel was, And then I can see

1022
01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:26.279
a pretty clear twenty two inch impression, nothing definitive, no

1023
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:33.680
nice edges, no toes, just absolute twenty two inch heavy impression.

1024
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:40.359
Something pressed that twig into the ground of great weight,

1025
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:46.960
you know, it was like a quarter inch twig, and

1026
01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:53.159
it was absolutely embedded in that track, So I thought, well,

1027
01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:55.600
you know, twenty two inch track, that'd be about right

1028
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:58.520
for something that could reach across at fourteen feet snap

1029
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:03.039
the top of this tree off. So that was another

1030
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:07.000
thing I found interesting in that area. And like I said,

1031
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:10.560
the brakes that looked like they'd been going on for decades,

1032
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:17.399
but I think it was maybe in the ninety four

1033
01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:21.239
trip or ninety four or ninety five, ninety six, I

1034
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:26.840
don't remember now. But I'm exploring the area up along

1035
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:31.359
the side of the Bigfoot Creek that feeds into Bluff Creek,

1036
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.880
and there's a nice kind of trail that goes up

1037
01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:42.439
alongside of Bigfoot Creek. But there were branches that had

1038
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:48.000
been bent over and crisscrossed to where you had to duck.

1039
01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:53.319
You couldn't just walk straight up the path. It looked

1040
01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:59.800
to me like something had done that on purpose. But anyway,

1041
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:04.119
but not far from there in the woodline, I found

1042
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:09.359
a nest and it was so obvious. As I'm walking

1043
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:16.800
through the woodline, I see this green patch that stands

1044
01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:22.600
out against the you know, the browner forest floor, and

1045
01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:25.800
I go over to it and it's got all these

1046
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:39.000
like spruce or whatever green breakoff branches, all laid out

1047
01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:42.920
in about an eight foot circle. And I looked around,

1048
01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:49.199
and there's no trees near this circle that could these

1049
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:52.119
could just fall off and end up lying here. Something

1050
01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:57.079
placed these here, and it absolutely And I've seen now

1051
01:21:57.279 --> 01:22:06.039
nests on you know, Expedition Bigfoot, and this is this

1052
01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:09.239
is I'm convinced it was a mess. And it was

1053
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:11.760
right there at Bigfoot Creek, right where all the tree

1054
01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:14.960
breaks were, right where you know, I'm finding all this

1055
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:18.640
stuff down there. And so.

1056
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:23.439
Do you have pictures of any of that at all?

1057
01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:27.039
You know, I I'm pretty sure I took pictures of

1058
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:31.319
that nest. But you know, like I said, I got

1059
01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:35.119
out of a Bigfoot, I got into I was in

1060
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:38.560
a difficult relationship in the in the middle of all this,

1061
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:42.439
and it started, uh, you know, coming to a head

1062
01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:47.159
in the late nineties, and I got really distracted. It

1063
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:50.840
affected my work and you know, all kinds of stuff,

1064
01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:56.439
and so I kind of got away from it and

1065
01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:01.119
and I had these these pictures developed, and you know,

1066
01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:03.960
I had a shoe box of you know, any of

1067
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:07.199
the stuff that I had found. And you know, the

1068
01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:10.960
way I looked at it is it really isn't convincing.

1069
01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:15.239
You know, I could lay out a bunch of limbs

1070
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:17.520
in an eight foot circle and take a picture of it. Look,

1071
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:21.479
I found the nest. So to me, it wasn't that

1072
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:25.880
big of a deal. So if it was a big

1073
01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:27.720
deal to me, I would have hung on to it

1074
01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.880
and showed it to everybody. But you know, it just

1075
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:34.399
it wasn't a big deal. I've always been about getting

1076
01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:40.239
real evidence, you know, real proof, real encounters. You know,

1077
01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:47.439
that's you know, the field work. That's always been my goal,

1078
01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:50.680
not collecting you know, photos and stuff like that. Now

1079
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:58.159
I wish I would have saved those. But anyway, so

1080
01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:04.119
and like I said, I never saw any bear down

1081
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.520
there the whole time. All the time I spent down

1082
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:11.399
there looking around, and I saw bear everywhere else. I

1083
01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:14.800
have walked up to within ten feet of bear accidentally,

1084
01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:18.800
when they're on the other side of a bush. I

1085
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:21.199
come up so quietly. Didn't you know I was there?

1086
01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:23.840
And I didn't know they were there. One time I

1087
01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:26.960
sat down with my backpack and I'm looking and I

1088
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:30.319
hear something behind me, and I looked through the bushes

1089
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:34.479
and I see this furry arm like reaches and I'm like,

1090
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:41.760
oh my what and I got a better looking It

1091
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.960
was a bear. I forget what it was doing with

1092
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.920
its arm, but it was actually two bear and they

1093
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:52.079
were about twenty feet away from me. I quietly picked

1094
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:57.680
up my backpack and kept walking up the road. But

1095
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.000
I've walked up on bear in the middle of the night.

1096
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:04.920
I mean, like, I look back now, and I'm like,

1097
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:08.920
I had too much confidence in that thrownet and cabar knife,

1098
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:13.520
so yeah, yeah, I have. I have come up on

1099
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:18.119
cubs too, oh boy, and yeah. Walking down the logging

1100
01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:21.279
road and I hear this scraping sound like on tree

1101
01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:25.159
bark and I'm like, what is that? And I turned

1102
01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:28.279
to my left and I see a cub scurrying up

1103
01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:30.760
a tree. I'm like, oh, I need to get out

1104
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:33.079
of here. I don't know where mama is.

1105
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:37.239
You found some caves on Onion Mountain as well.

1106
01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:42.279
So in ninety five I bought a Klex six fifty

1107
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:48.159
and through the back of the through the backpack on

1108
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:52.760
the back of the Klex or through my gear. I

1109
01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:58.520
actually had pouches and stuff and headed up there and

1110
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:02.199
uh and which was just really nice. All the roads

1111
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.359
I had hiked, I was now cruising it, you know,

1112
01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:09.600
twenty five miles an hour on a kalct six point

1113
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:15.560
fifty and so I started exploring and I I'm following

1114
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:18.680
this road up and I've come to find out that

1115
01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:23.640
Onion Mountain and Blue Creek Mountain, Blue Creek Mountain just

1116
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:27.880
on the other side of that is famous hotspot. And

1117
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:32.600
I've even heard talk of caves over there and that

1118
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.079
was there's even a videos on YouTube about Blue Creek

1119
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:43.720
Mountain Bigfoot. So anyway, I take my Kalex and I

1120
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:47.640
go up and I find myself on Onion Mountain and

1121
01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:52.239
the road leads me to this giant rock quarry and

1122
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:55.119
I'm like a rock quarry on the top of this mountain.

1123
01:26:55.119 --> 01:27:03.439
They absolutely destroyed the top of this high ground and

1124
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:06.479
turn it into a giant rock quarry. I sent you

1125
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:10.239
pictures and there was a big platform in the middle

1126
01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:13.079
of it, like where they put some heavy duty equipment

1127
01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:21.319
like probably rock crusher or whatever. And then you know,

1128
01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:25.279
the rock quarry didn't, you know, mean too much to

1129
01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:27.600
me at that point, because I know they've got to

1130
01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:30.359
when they're building logging roads, they got to lay down

1131
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:33.560
base and stuff, and what better way to put the

1132
01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:35.960
quarry right at the top of the mountain and drive

1133
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:40.760
it down the mountain to you know, to do the roads.

1134
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:44.920
And but I started exploring around and there's this trail

1135
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.560
that leads out of the rock quarry and I follow

1136
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:55.960
it down and I come to this giant pile, odd

1137
01:27:56.039 --> 01:28:02.720
looking pile of giant boulders that do not look naturally formed.

1138
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:12.159
They look like they exploded. They were jagged edged. It

1139
01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:16.479
totally looked like a cave entrance that had been demolished

1140
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:21.800
and it had just fallen down and you know, covered

1141
01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:25.720
the entrance like it was dynamited, and it was about

1142
01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:29.319
forty foot wide. I think I got it in that picture,

1143
01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:35.239
forty foot wide entrance. And so I'm like, you know,

1144
01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:38.239
this doesn't look right. This totally looks like it was blasted.

1145
01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:43.720
And so I'm exploring, trying to get down into the rocks,

1146
01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:47.960
and I realized there's cold air coming out from these rocks,

1147
01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:52.079
really cold air. And I think it was in August

1148
01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:55.640
when I was there, and there was a patch of

1149
01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:59.880
snow at the entrance to this cave or where the

1150
01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:04.520
pile of boulders were, I mean August, and there's still

1151
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:07.000
a little patch of snow there because the air coming

1152
01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:12.319
out was cold enough that it hadn't melted. So I'm like,

1153
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:16.920
that's totally going into the earth. That's going in. And

1154
01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:23.880
so I'm convinced now I think that they blasted and

1155
01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:30.359
created that rock quarry to destroy caves at the top

1156
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:32.640
of Onion Mountain because they didn't, you know, the whole

1157
01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:36.479
logging industry did not want people coming out there and

1158
01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:41.840
saving the bigfoots from the logging industry, you know, so

1159
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:44.439
they had to blast the cave shuts, you know, shut

1160
01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:47.479
lock these animals in there, keep them away, do whatever.

1161
01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:52.279
And so I that's my theory is that they created

1162
01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:56.119
this rock quarry there dual purpose. One they needed the

1163
01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:59.720
rock and two they sealed up those cave entrances. So

1164
01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:04.520
this is my theory. So I ride back to Orleans

1165
01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:10.359
to the ranger station and I walk up to the

1166
01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:13.399
counter of the ranger station. There was a female ranger

1167
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:18.960
kind of caddy corner back left at a desk and

1168
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.439
you know, Hi, how you doing. You know, I just

1169
01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:23.880
had a you know, a couple of questions, you ever

1170
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:26.359
heard anything about you know, any caves back there in

1171
01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:27.079
Bluff Creek.

1172
01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:30.920
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1173
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:50.560
And she said yeah, yeah, oh, really, I said, do

1174
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:54.520
you know if they were blasted shut? She said, yeah, yeah,

1175
01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:58.039
they were, they were blasted shut. I do you know why?

1176
01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:02.439
Just not? I have no idea. Yeah, you know, do

1177
01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:05.680
you know when? I mean? I don't remember the conversation exactly,

1178
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.159
but this is what I got from it. She didn't

1179
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:13.560
know why, she knew they had existed, and she knew

1180
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:16.239
they had been blasted shut. And I asked her, do

1181
01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.720
you know when abouts this happened? And she said, you know,

1182
01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:24.199
maybe ten years or so? Agough which and when? As

1183
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.680
soon as she said ten years, it rang a bell

1184
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:35.079
with what the Bluff Creek company owner said to me.

1185
01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:38.680
He hadn't heard them come through his property in about

1186
01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:45.640
ten years. So yeah, So she confirmed that there were

1187
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:52.159
caves up there. Now, I've had a conversation online with

1188
01:31:52.399 --> 01:31:58.520
a fairly well known bookstore owner that I don't need

1189
01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:01.800
to mention, but he's where there's no way there's caves

1190
01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:08.199
out there, and even brought a geologist online and said, no,

1191
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:12.600
that's not suitable for caves. Now, I sent you an

1192
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:18.319
image proving the type of geology that is there. It

1193
01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:25.640
is exactly what caves come from. I don't know. Did

1194
01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:26.359
you get those.

1195
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:28.079
Pictures yet, yes I did.

1196
01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:35.680
Yeah, yeah, but anyway, yeah, so absolutely it looks like

1197
01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:43.760
the explosion, the lava tubes, the whatever comes up from

1198
01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:48.640
the inner Earth would come out the tops and sides

1199
01:32:49.079 --> 01:32:56.399
of these mountains and form these caves. And so I

1200
01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:59.840
absolutely think and I did. I have another picture that

1201
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:02.760
I didn't take good notes, but I think it's the

1202
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:05.680
entrance of a smaller cave. I didn't even send it

1203
01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:08.840
to you because it really doesn't you can't tell much

1204
01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:11.520
from it. I'm I'm pretty sure that's why I took it.

1205
01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:13.920
But I think anybody that spent you know, a fair

1206
01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:20.279
amount of time up there could find more. And I'm

1207
01:33:20.279 --> 01:33:22.920
sure they don't want people going up there exploring around

1208
01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:30.600
and you know, making some discoveries. But I still think

1209
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:35.079
that whole corridor right there, because let me, okay, let

1210
01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:38.840
me move forward, because I'm taking up a lot of time.

1211
01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:45.640
So as late seventies or early eighties cave destruction is

1212
01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:51.600
kind of from what I gathered. So anyway, fast forward.

1213
01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:54.399
Matt Moneymaker and I went up there, I think in

1214
01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:58.199
ninety six and hung out. He you know, we're sitting

1215
01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:01.159
around the campfire. He said, Hey, you want to do

1216
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:09.039
a TV show. I said, no, I said, I said, no,

1217
01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:12.119
I'm not. I'm not sure if this is exactly what

1218
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:13.640
I said, but I know this is what is in

1219
01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:16.479
my mind. I don't want to run around at the

1220
01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:23.880
behest of you know, some directors and executive producers, you know,

1221
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:26.479
with a camera on me while I'm you know, running

1222
01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:29.319
around the woods. No, I'm not really interested in doing

1223
01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:33.199
a TV show. I want to get the evidence, and

1224
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:36.680
I think this valley is where it can be gotten.

1225
01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:43.079
And so no, I turned down his TV offer. Lauren

1226
01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:46.359
Coleman contacted me and asked me if you could put

1227
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.279
my story in his book. And you know, I really

1228
01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:52.479
don't didn't want this is like I said, this is

1229
01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:56.439
the first time I've even considered an interview or doing

1230
01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:00.920
anything really in public. And but anyway, Warren Coleman asked

1231
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:02.279
if you could put it in the book. I said, no,

1232
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:07.479
I'm not really interested, and and he's like, oh, okay.

1233
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:14.840
So on a subsequent trip up there on a KLX

1234
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:19.359
six point fifty, I'm in town and at one point

1235
01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:21.560
I had rented out of storage area to keep my

1236
01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:25.520
gear up there in Willow Creek. So I'm looking at

1237
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:30.239
a map and I'm doing a map recon and for

1238
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:36.279
some reason, Nikowit's Peak speaks to me, and I'm like,

1239
01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:40.079
I want to go there. That's interesting. You know, the

1240
01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:44.039
terrain where it is, it's relationship to Bluff Creek, you

1241
01:35:44.079 --> 01:35:47.239
know all that. So I head up there on my

1242
01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:52.520
KLX and I get to the to the base of

1243
01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:57.560
Nikowit's Peak. The road that climbs up it was like

1244
01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:01.880
a little intersection there and I look up and I

1245
01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:05.640
see I forget, like I don't know, thirty yards up

1246
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:10.479
the road, I see that the trees from the sides

1247
01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:14.039
of the road, you know, these logging roads that they

1248
01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:18.000
put in when they cut stuff down to make the road,

1249
01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:25.960
the naturally growing pines and spruce start regrowing, you know,

1250
01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:29.920
on like five to ten foot swaths on either side

1251
01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:34.840
of the logging road, and so on the sides of

1252
01:36:34.920 --> 01:36:39.960
the logging road going up to Nikowit's Peak, the trees

1253
01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:49.079
were all green, healthy, fairly tight together, like they had

1254
01:36:49.159 --> 01:36:53.920
just grown, you know, on their own natural pattern. And

1255
01:36:54.159 --> 01:37:01.600
they're all about three four maybe five at the biggest

1256
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:07.880
inches in diameter at the base. And I looked up

1257
01:37:07.880 --> 01:37:09.960
the logging road. I'm thinking, I'm going to ride my

1258
01:37:10.039 --> 01:37:12.520
motorcycle right up to the top of Nikowitz Peak. But

1259
01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:16.680
there's no way. There are trees pulled from either side

1260
01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:21.840
cross hatched for about one hundred yards up the road.

1261
01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:28.800
I'm like, what in the heck? So I'm like, my

1262
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:31.760
first thought is, no one is going to spend their

1263
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:37.840
time pulling these trees over. First of all, you'd need

1264
01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:41.880
a pickup truck or a big four wheeler with a

1265
01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:48.039
chain and hook to pull these trees over. And I mean,

1266
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:51.359
I just didn't see any way. And so I looked

1267
01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:54.000
at the bark on all these trees, and there was

1268
01:37:54.279 --> 01:37:58.520
nothing wrong with the bark. There was no damage, there

1269
01:37:58.600 --> 01:38:03.720
was no chain mark, you, no teeth marks. It was

1270
01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:11.119
those something with a big, padded hand had gripped these

1271
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:16.520
trees and just pushed puld or whatever them over in

1272
01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:21.000
a cross hatch pattern for about one hundred yards. So

1273
01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:23.640
I had to park my motorcycle, which I wasn't real

1274
01:38:23.720 --> 01:38:27.800
comfortable doing, at the bottom of Nikolit's Peak, and I

1275
01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:32.840
had to jungle gym over these trees to get up

1276
01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:39.640
the road. And I know I didn't take a picture.

1277
01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:41.720
I don't think I took a picture of that. I

1278
01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:44.640
so wish I did. That would be one of the

1279
01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:48.279
best pictures I wish I had now. But I always

1280
01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:53.199
share this, you know, because you know, anybody who goes

1281
01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:56.840
out there looking, you know, you get you can find

1282
01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:02.479
some really astonishing things. And so the only thing I

1283
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:05.279
could come up with that had the power to pull

1284
01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:10.840
these three four inch trees over in a pattern, one

1285
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:12.920
to the left, then one to the right, and then

1286
01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:16.079
one to the left and one to the right. It

1287
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:20.399
was like, definitely did not want anybody coming up that road,

1288
01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:22.279
and if you did, you were going to make a

1289
01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:25.840
lot of noise with the chainsaw before you could even

1290
01:39:25.960 --> 01:39:29.000
start going up. So I parked my bike and I

1291
01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:33.920
jungle gymmed over the trees and got to some clear

1292
01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:37.760
logging road and then walked up to the top. Now

1293
01:39:37.840 --> 01:39:40.880
I don't know if it was my mind that was,

1294
01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:43.720
you know, playing with me, because I already had the

1295
01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.479
feeling that they were up here and they didn't want

1296
01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:50.520
anybody coming up here, so that was already on my mind.

1297
01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:53.119
But while I was up there, I was like, I

1298
01:39:53.439 --> 01:39:58.840
really felt uncomfortable, the most uncomfortable I had ever felt.

1299
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:03.880
And and it was a really interesting place. The forest

1300
01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:08.479
floor was like nice pine needles, and it was open,

1301
01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:14.359
and it was you know, it's beautiful, different than anything

1302
01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:17.760
i'd seen, and I thought, what a great place to

1303
01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:20.560
live if you're living in the woods. I mean, this

1304
01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:25.239
is where I would camp. And so anyway, I didn't

1305
01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:30.479
see anything that was up there a couple hours. Pretty

1306
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:35.560
uncomfortable the whole time I left. Thank goodness, my bike

1307
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:41.640
was fine, not messed with and left. But those trees

1308
01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:46.640
still to this day amazing. And I did find something

1309
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:52.119
like it up in Washington on a trail at the

1310
01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:54.840
trail entrance at the logging road, there was a broken

1311
01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:59.520
off treetop, same exact pattern. It was almost and it

1312
01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:03.079
was the hanging tree part was pointing in towards the trail.

1313
01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:06.960
It was like a marker. In my opinion, I think

1314
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:12.680
they're they're markers. I think their territorial. You know, this

1315
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:19.079
is me is how big I am, this is my territory. Whatever.

1316
01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:21.119
I think. It was odd that I never saw a

1317
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.800
bear down there by Bluff Creek, and I'd seen them

1318
01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:27.920
everywhere else in all my travels around there, but never

1319
01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:30.319
down there. I think the bear stayed away, stay away

1320
01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:34.199
from them. I just don't think that they they maybe

1321
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:46.880
live well together, just you know, a theory, but anyway, So, yeah,

1322
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:48.159
I forget what I was going with them.

1323
01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:53.079
So did you then go up into Oregon in Washington

1324
01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:55.319
and do some things up there as well?

1325
01:41:56.760 --> 01:41:59.159
Yeah? I did, so I sent you some pictures. So

1326
01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:05.920
I got a nice pain in job overseas, and I

1327
01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.039
came back with after three years, a nice chunk of

1328
01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:15.239
change and bought a four x four van and fitted

1329
01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:20.239
it with four computer workstations, audio video. I had three

1330
01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:26.600
hundred and sixty degree night vision cameras on the roof,

1331
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:32.079
along with a parabolic dish, and you know, speakers and

1332
01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:37.079
large speakers to call blast. And so I went up

1333
01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:43.279
there and and I ended up getting a wolf dog that,

1334
01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:45.560
for all intents and purposes, grew up to be a

1335
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:53.720
wolf genetically and behaviorally. He was indistinguishable from a wolf.

1336
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:57.479
He passed away a couple of years ago, but absolutely

1337
01:42:57.520 --> 01:43:02.800
amazing animal. And I am one hundred against people mixing

1338
01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:11.720
wolf dogs and selling them. This guy was innately wild,

1339
01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.640
and I could talk to you. You know, it's a

1340
01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:19.800
whole other subject about genetic memory. This guy had the

1341
01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:24.199
genetic memory of a wolf, and he triggered on certain things.

1342
01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:28.680
He already knew certain animals, he knew the difference between

1343
01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:32.000
horses and elk. I mean, I could go on and on,

1344
01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:38.359
but anyway, he disrupted my whole last hurrah at bigfoot

1345
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:41.319
hunting because I had the whole nine yards, I had

1346
01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:44.840
this van completely, I had a thirty foot custom trailer

1347
01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:51.000
built for living in the in the back country. But anyway, yeah,

1348
01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:53.680
so I went up there. We did do a little

1349
01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:56.880
expedition there. I heard from the locals there's a river

1350
01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:59.880
that led down to the ocean that the Bigfoot u

1351
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:02.520
there's a corridor to go from the mountains down to

1352
01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:06.079
the ocean. And we camped out there and we got

1353
01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:12.720
a whoop woop going around our campsite. Sounded sounded like

1354
01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:17.039
pretty genuine to me. But anyway, so then I went

1355
01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:21.800
down to southern the Southern Olympic Peninsula, and so I

1356
01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.840
built a custom cage in the back of my four

1357
01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:27.840
by four for the for the wolf. Also had a

1358
01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:31.960
white German shepherd at the time she helped raise Zorro

1359
01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:36.319
was his name. And so I'm in the in the

1360
01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:39.760
hardware store and I'm buying a bale of straw to

1361
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:42.279
line the back of the cage in the back of

1362
01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:45.479
the van with and the young guy that's helping me

1363
01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:47.600
with a bale of straws. I said, so, you ever

1364
01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:50.039
hear anything about bigfoots around here? So I'm at the

1365
01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:54.199
southern end of the Olympic Peninsula right now. Is I

1366
01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:58.199
think exactly where they're doing expedition Bigfoot? Right at that

1367
01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:00.760
fork where it goes right and left.

1368
01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:02.560
I've been trying to figure that out too.

1369
01:45:04.119 --> 01:45:06.640
Yeah, I think I know exactly where they are, and

1370
01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:08.840
I think if I looked at a map, I could

1371
01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:12.039
figure out by the valleys and everything when they show

1372
01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:15.560
the map. But anyway, so I asked him, I said,

1373
01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:18.560
you ever heard He said, oh yeah. I said really,

1374
01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:20.880
He said yeah. I said, back in high school we

1375
01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:23.640
used to go out on the weekends up by the

1376
01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:25.640
dam and listen to him screamed.

1377
01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:28.000
At each other big for society, who will be right

1378
01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:29.399
back after these messages?

1379
01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:50.920
I'm like, are you serious? He said yeah. I said,

1380
01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:54.960
where's this dam? So he told me where the dam was.

1381
01:45:56.039 --> 01:45:58.479
I went back up to the north end of the peninsula,

1382
01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:02.640
got three guys together, a couple of just local guys

1383
01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:07.960
and one ex cop, and brought them down and the

1384
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:11.720
mission was the dam. So we go to the dam,

1385
01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:16.520
and there's a nice place to camp down at the bottom.

1386
01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:19.079
It's a I think it was about a one hundred

1387
01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:22.359
yards from the river that comes down out of the mountains,

1388
01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:27.199
and then there's a steep climb up to the dam,

1389
01:46:28.199 --> 01:46:30.720
and the two local guys, me and the cop stayed

1390
01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:34.600
by the campfire. Zoro I had to drive a three

1391
01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:38.560
foot steel steak into the ground with a chain on

1392
01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:42.640
it to keep him at the campsite. I mean, I

1393
01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:45.880
got I got him to be a companion in the wilderness,

1394
01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:49.199
but there's no way I could responsibly let him off leaf.

1395
01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:56.399
I mean, his instincts and his drive was way too much.

1396
01:46:57.359 --> 01:46:59.840
If you're cooking out like a couple hundred yards away

1397
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:02.239
and hamburger, he gets a whiff of it, and your

1398
01:47:02.279 --> 01:47:04.560
little four year old's running around the camp, he'd take

1399
01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:09.800
her down. So anyway, that's why I'm against animals being

1400
01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:13.720
bred like that. So anyway, so I got Zoro stake

1401
01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:16.880
to the ground, and me and the ex law enforcement

1402
01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:20.039
police officer are there, and I send the two other

1403
01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:23.880
guys up the mountain with radios and we got radios

1404
01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:26.119
at base camp. And I mean I had all kinds

1405
01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:29.920
of I had thermal and it was sitting on a

1406
01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:34.279
you know, a pivoting head. It would swivel back and forth,

1407
01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:37.039
and we were watching the monitors for any thermal up

1408
01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:40.279
on the hill side. You know, I had the whole setup,

1409
01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:45.520
didn't have the bionic ear set up yet, and actually

1410
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:48.239
I think I don't even have had the thermal yet,

1411
01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:51.880
not to put that up later. But anyway, me and

1412
01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:56.640
the X copper standing by the fire and the two

1413
01:47:56.720 --> 01:48:00.640
locals that I'd shown them tree brakes and stuff, so

1414
01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:03.399
they were all briefed on what to look for, and

1415
01:48:03.439 --> 01:48:05.800
they're climbing up the mountain. You know how quiet it

1416
01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:07.439
is in the woods in the middle of the night,

1417
01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:11.600
so far away from civilization. We could hear those guys

1418
01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:14.520
crashing through the brush going up the side of the mountain.

1419
01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:19.119
Me and the cop just kind of laughed. And so

1420
01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:22.680
to get a radio call, it says Rory. He said,

1421
01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:26.680
we're finding tree breaks up here, and I was like,

1422
01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:32.199
all right, okay, I think we're in the territory. And

1423
01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:38.560
so at some point shortly thereafter, we hear this stream

1424
01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:42.640
and the best way I could describe it as a

1425
01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:46.960
war cry. It's not a scream, it's not a howl.

1426
01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:52.800
It's like a war cry, and it was powerful and

1427
01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:55.359
it was up the valley from us. It was a

1428
01:48:55.439 --> 01:49:02.560
ways off, but it was so clear and powerful. The

1429
01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:05.279
cop and I just look at each other with saucer

1430
01:49:05.399 --> 01:49:12.800
sized eyes. And so that first war cry ends, and

1431
01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:16.960
then we hear another war cry a little bit closer,

1432
01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.319
and we're looking out, you know, to the woods, and

1433
01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:25.479
then it stops. And then we heard a third war cry,

1434
01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:29.960
and it's even closer. So these things are lined up

1435
01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:35.159
down the valley, one after the other in succession, is

1436
01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:39.239
telling us, you guys need to leave. And so the

1437
01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:42.439
third one finishes its war cry, and then we hear

1438
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.680
a fourth one, and it's like right across the river

1439
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:50.960
from us. And I said to the cop, I said,

1440
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:55.000
I mean, we're just absolutely amazed. Some of the that

1441
01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:58.000
would have made some of the best audio. And I

1442
01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:02.039
didn't have the parabolic a recorder set up yet it

1443
01:50:02.079 --> 01:50:06.680
was still just barely barely going dark. It wasn't even dark.

1444
01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:09.600
I mean, I'm not expecting anything to happen till after dark.

1445
01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:14.960
And so I you know, people say that, no, those

1446
01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:19.920
are Elk calls or whatever. I've heard ELK, and this

1447
01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:24.600
is an unmistakably different thing. And I said to the cop,

1448
01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:26.920
I said, and he's an elk hunter all his life.

1449
01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:31.199
Washington State X cop firearms the whole nine yards. I

1450
01:50:31.239 --> 01:50:38.960
says that sounded like lqu said no way. So anyway,

1451
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:43.520
the guys they heard these screens and they were like

1452
01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:48.640
they were scared to death because now now after the screens,

1453
01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:51.960
it was getting really dark, and they had stayed there

1454
01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:57.319
the whole night, and you know, it was dark. I

1455
01:50:57.680 --> 01:50:59.600
don't remember what they did for camp I don't think

1456
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:01.920
they did campfire. I think they just stayed up all

1457
01:51:02.039 --> 01:51:06.840
night and and and we're afraid for their lives.

1458
01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:09.399
Was that around Lake Cushman?

1459
01:51:11.760 --> 01:51:13.600
You know, I don't remember the lake. And if I

1460
01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:16.039
did a map work on right now, I'm sure I

1461
01:51:16.039 --> 01:51:19.920
could find the I think it was north of Aberdeen. Okay,

1462
01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:23.359
but don't quote me on that because I haven't really

1463
01:51:23.359 --> 01:51:25.000
paid a whole lot of attention to it.

1464
01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:26.279
Gotcha.

1465
01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:30.680
You know, I haven't looked it up to narrow down

1466
01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:38.600
exactly where it was. But there's a dam, and I

1467
01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:41.279
think it's Aberdeen. But I mean I could look it

1468
01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:47.760
up tomorrow, and you know, but anyway, it was the

1469
01:51:48.039 --> 01:51:57.279
interesting succession of war cries that it was sending a message.

1470
01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:00.920
First one's way back next one's closer, next one's closer,

1471
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:03.760
and the next one's like right across the river from us.

1472
01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:09.000
It was a definite show of force. And I'm sure

1473
01:52:09.039 --> 01:52:11.920
they heard us the noise and the guys climbing up

1474
01:52:12.039 --> 01:52:18.680
into the woods, you know, maybe into their territory, but anyway,

1475
01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:23.760
it was fascinating stuff at the time. So and then

1476
01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:27.319
there was Okay, gosh, this is like some of the

1477
01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:33.359
best stuff right here. Patrick Creek. Okay, yeah, are we

1478
01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:34.039
are we good?

1479
01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:36.880
No, We're good. This is this is a new place

1480
01:52:36.920 --> 01:52:38.600
for me. I'm I'm excited.

1481
01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:43.600
Okay, Well, I send you Matt. Patrick Creek is north

1482
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:51.880
of Bluff Creek, and Patrick Creek is a little area.

1483
01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:54.319
It's you know, I'm sure there's probably a creek in

1484
01:52:54.359 --> 01:53:01.680
their name. But anyway, Matt Moneymaker gets contact from an

1485
01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:06.960
active law enforcement officer up in those neck at the woods,

1486
01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:14.720
and the guy the law enforcement officer communicates to Matt.

1487
01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:17.079
He says, I think I got two of them on

1488
01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:20.680
my property. He had a little hippie cabin out in

1489
01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:24.439
the wilderness that he would like go hang out at

1490
01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:28.600
on weekends or whatever, and he said, I think I

1491
01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:30.680
got a couple of them around my proper, because I

1492
01:53:31.399 --> 01:53:37.520
hear these crazy screams back and forth between these two

1493
01:53:37.560 --> 01:53:43.399
whatever they are. So Matt, you know, I'm working developing

1494
01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:49.880
software in southern California there and Matt contacts me and

1495
01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:53.920
he says, Rory. He says, I think I got a hotspot,

1496
01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:58.960
and so he describes it to me, and I didn't

1497
01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:03.640
even interview the guy. You know. Matt says, it's good.

1498
01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:12.159
I said, okay, give me about a week, got stuff together.

1499
01:54:12.720 --> 01:54:15.359
Let everybody know. You know, I was a contractor, so

1500
01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:18.039
I could, you know, kind of come and go. And

1501
01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:24.960
went up a week or two or whatever later, and

1502
01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:27.800
so on my way by, Matt said, stop buying my

1503
01:54:27.960 --> 01:54:33.119
house and pick up a CD. And I've got, you know,

1504
01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:37.239
his recordings I think he made in Ohio. He said,

1505
01:54:37.279 --> 01:54:39.319
he's cleaning them up for me and putting them on

1506
01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:43.239
a CD so that we can blast him out from

1507
01:54:43.279 --> 01:54:47.479
the hippie cabin up there on the property. And I said, cool.

1508
01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:50.600
So I stopped by his house and he didn't have

1509
01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:54.159
him ready. He didn't have it ready yet, So I

1510
01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:57.000
just kept going and got up there and met up

1511
01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:01.640
with the law enforcement officer. In the mail he received

1512
01:55:01.640 --> 01:55:06.279
the CD from Matt. I go into town by a

1513
01:55:06.279 --> 01:55:10.680
CD player. He digs up some kind of giant speaker

1514
01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:16.239
from somewhere. We go out to his hippie cabin. We

1515
01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:18.640
get it all set up in the in the living

1516
01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:21.399
room of this you know, hippie cabin, and it was

1517
01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:24.960
kind of a cool big bay window, like two barn

1518
01:55:25.039 --> 01:55:30.800
door kind of window things that opened out overlooking the valley.

1519
01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:33.840
And this was really heavy, heavily forested. You really couldn't

1520
01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:37.279
see anything, but it opened out and it was just air.

1521
01:55:37.760 --> 01:55:40.359
I mean, there was no screen, there was no glass. No,

1522
01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:44.479
they just opened and there it is, and it overlooked

1523
01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:47.319
a little dirt road that you know, ran up and

1524
01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:51.239
by the cabin. And uh. So we get everything set

1525
01:55:51.319 --> 01:55:54.680
up and it's me and the law enforcement guy and

1526
01:55:54.840 --> 01:56:00.800
his significant other and uh and I forget what time

1527
01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:04.319
we started, I don't know, nine or tennis dark, and

1528
01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:10.520
we blasted out a call, you know, Matt's Hell, and

1529
01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:15.680
it sounded pretty good. And so we waited, you know,

1530
01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:18.960
maybe fifteen minutes or so. We blasted it out again,

1531
01:56:19.239 --> 01:56:22.079
and we waited. We got the light on in the

1532
01:56:22.119 --> 01:56:26.000
cabin and we're just you know, standing around talking bigfoot

1533
01:56:26.039 --> 01:56:32.039
stuff or whatever. And I know, maybe the third or

1534
01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:39.399
fourth time, we're standing there talking and we hear this

1535
01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:44.159
whistle right in front of the cabin. And this is

1536
01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:49.079
not a bird. The power behind the whistle, I mean,

1537
01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:52.239
you immediately know this is coming from a healthy set

1538
01:56:52.279 --> 01:56:57.279
of lips and lungs. And I've spent a ton of

1539
01:56:57.319 --> 01:57:02.239
time in the wilderness and never heard anything like this,

1540
01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:06.880
And so I immediately knew what it was, because you know,

1541
01:57:07.319 --> 01:57:10.039
they put some they're called whistlers in some places. You

1542
01:57:10.079 --> 01:57:12.399
see them on totem poles. Their lips are puckered like

1543
01:57:12.439 --> 01:57:17.479
the whistling, and I immediately thought I knew what it was,

1544
01:57:17.560 --> 01:57:20.600
and I turned towards the other two and I said,

1545
01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:28.800
that's a squatch. And then the lady said drop the lights.

1546
01:57:29.520 --> 01:57:33.439
So we turned out the lights and then we listened

1547
01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:38.199
and nothing more. I mean, I forget how much time

1548
01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:43.760
went by, but you know, nothing more happened. So I'm

1549
01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:46.920
convinced that that was a squatch that we got to

1550
01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:50.600
come to the cabin it. You know, my guess is

1551
01:57:50.720 --> 01:57:53.159
it thought there was a squatch in that cabin, and

1552
01:57:53.199 --> 01:57:56.359
it was calling to it, Hey I'm out here, you

1553
01:57:56.479 --> 01:58:01.640
in there. And so the next more they leave early.

1554
01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:05.000
I mean he's working every day on the coast, and

1555
01:58:05.039 --> 01:58:08.640
it's at least an hour. I think it was from

1556
01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:13.239
the hippie cabin to the coast. You know, this is

1557
01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:17.800
in the area of Patrick Creek up there, and so

1558
01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:21.399
he leaves really early the next morning, and the next morning,

1559
01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:32.640
I think it was the next morning. Anyway, I go

1560
01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:35.640
out to my car. He's gone. I got to get

1561
01:58:35.880 --> 01:58:39.760
batteries or something. And it's still pitch black. I mean,

1562
01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:44.680
it's really early. And I opened my car door and

1563
01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:48.680
I'm bathed by the interior light. And when I opened

1564
01:58:48.720 --> 01:58:52.039
the door, I hear behind me, and this is the

1565
01:58:52.119 --> 01:58:54.720
exact whistle they used, the same whistle the whole time

1566
01:58:54.760 --> 01:59:04.039
I was there. It was. And so when I opened

1567
01:59:04.039 --> 01:59:07.159
the door, it sounds like it's like twenty feet behind me.

1568
01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:11.760
I hear this whistle, and I slowly turn around, and

1569
01:59:11.800 --> 01:59:13.880
the only thing I could think to do was answer

1570
01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:17.159
it with a whistle. So I whistle back to it,

1571
01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:20.640
and then it whistled back to me, and then I

1572
01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:23.279
whistle back to it, and it whistled back to me,

1573
01:59:24.279 --> 01:59:25.920
and then I whistled back to it, and I think

1574
01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:28.319
that was it. I don't think it answered me after that,

1575
01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:31.520
but I never heard a sound, and this was not

1576
01:59:31.640 --> 01:59:36.199
a bird. I mean, this was a more powerful whistle

1577
01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:41.000
than a bird. So I get my gear and I

1578
01:59:41.079 --> 01:59:44.479
go back to the cabin. He shows up that evening.

1579
01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:50.159
Oh that day, I dig a foxhole while he's at work,

1580
01:59:51.520 --> 01:59:55.920
and it's kind of a caddy corner across from the cabin.

1581
01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:58.520
And what I thought was a good position for me

1582
01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:01.560
to spring out of the fox over the camera if

1583
02:00:01.560 --> 02:00:03.800
one of them was going to come by the cabin again.

1584
02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:07.760
It was just a perfect shot down the logging road.

1585
02:00:08.760 --> 02:00:12.239
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1586
02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:30.119
Next to the cabin to get it on film. And

1587
02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:35.199
at the time, back in ninety six, I had a

1588
02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:41.279
Sony High eight with you know, the latest and greatest

1589
02:00:41.399 --> 02:00:45.279
night vision screw on monocular that you could put on

1590
02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:50.880
the front of a Sony an itt Jen whatever. And

1591
02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:53.800
I thought, I was, you know, pretty set, And I

1592
02:00:53.880 --> 02:00:57.479
put tape over the led on the camera so when

1593
02:00:57.479 --> 02:00:59.560
it was on you couldn't see, you know, a little

1594
02:00:59.640 --> 02:01:03.399
lighter anything. And so I dig this foxhole and it

1595
02:01:03.439 --> 02:01:06.600
wasn't real deep, and I made a little seat so

1596
02:01:06.640 --> 02:01:10.000
I could just sit down and basically my eyes were

1597
02:01:10.159 --> 02:01:15.319
just at ground level. And I, you know, I wrote

1598
02:01:15.359 --> 02:01:19.039
this up for the BFRO two, the stories on there,

1599
02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:22.880
but I just sat there, you know. And in the military,

1600
02:01:22.960 --> 02:01:26.239
you know that movement will give you your position away.

1601
02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:29.399
I mean, people can be looking straight at you and

1602
02:01:29.439 --> 02:01:32.000
if you don't move, there's a good chance they don't

1603
02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:36.199
even see you. So I didn't move. And a fox

1604
02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:38.960
And I know, people think I'm probably making this out,

1605
02:01:39.039 --> 02:01:40.960
but you know, I don't make any of this stuff up,

1606
02:01:41.039 --> 02:01:44.439
just the way it happens. But a fox comes walking

1607
02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:49.000
by my Fox show on the logging road and there's

1608
02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:52.319
only like five feet in front of my eyeballs and

1609
02:01:52.359 --> 02:01:54.920
it just walks by, didn't even know I was there,

1610
02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:59.840
and just walked right on by me. So I thought, wow, I'm,

1611
02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:06.199
you know, doing pretty good. So and you know, that's

1612
02:02:06.239 --> 02:02:10.680
that night and I and I had kind of briefed

1613
02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:13.720
the LEO Law Enforcement off. So I briefed the LEO. Hey,

1614
02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:16.560
I got a I dug a fox hole today. You know,

1615
02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:20.000
if you can blast out, you know, the sounds from

1616
02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:23.319
the cabin like we did, you know last night, we

1617
02:02:23.359 --> 02:02:25.439
can get it to run by. I got my camera,

1618
02:02:26.279 --> 02:02:28.479
you know, and this time I had it three fifty

1619
02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:33.439
seven on me and so I was kind of comfortable

1620
02:02:33.479 --> 02:02:37.399
in the foxhole. So uh, he said sure. So he says,

1621
02:02:37.439 --> 02:02:39.760
I'll do it from the second floor. So he goes

1622
02:02:39.840 --> 02:02:42.399
up to the second floor, which is the bedroom, and

1623
02:02:42.439 --> 02:02:47.159
he opens the window and he blasts out a call

1624
02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:51.079
and then I think, you know, just fifteen minutes later,

1625
02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:54.880
he blasts out another call, and then I hear him snoring.

1626
02:02:55.520 --> 02:02:58.960
So you know how quiet it is in the woods.

1627
02:02:59.760 --> 02:03:04.279
My gosh, it sounded like he was right next to me. So,

1628
02:03:04.399 --> 02:03:06.439
I mean, the poor guy, he's working his butt off

1629
02:03:06.479 --> 02:03:08.840
at work in his day job, getting up early and

1630
02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:11.359
coming out and staying up late at night. So he

1631
02:03:11.479 --> 02:03:14.319
fell asleep, but we got a couple of calls out.

1632
02:03:14.920 --> 02:03:16.920
So I thought, well, you know, I'm just gonna sit here.

1633
02:03:18.319 --> 02:03:20.520
It may take him a while to get here. So

1634
02:03:21.520 --> 02:03:28.399
I'm sitting there and I hear this crazy whistle. I

1635
02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:31.439
can't even I used to be able to mimic it

1636
02:03:31.479 --> 02:03:37.600
a little bit, you know, just really crazy and powerful

1637
02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:43.079
and clear and clean running up to the front of

1638
02:03:43.079 --> 02:03:49.680
the cabin. It was like a last ditch effort to

1639
02:03:49.720 --> 02:03:53.439
not put itself in jeopardy. But it still wanted to

1640
02:03:53.520 --> 02:03:58.039
communicate into that cabin, and so when I heard this

1641
02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:02.159
crazy whistle and it's coming towards me by the cabin,

1642
02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:06.920
I think to myself, this is it. This is the

1643
02:04:07.079 --> 02:04:12.079
money shot. I raised the sony out of my lap

1644
02:04:12.880 --> 02:04:15.880
and lift it above the edge of the foxhole and

1645
02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:18.680
lean a little bit towards the road because there was

1646
02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:23.359
this little, tiny, scraggly shrub thing next to the foxhole

1647
02:04:23.359 --> 02:04:25.239
and I had to just get around to the side

1648
02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:28.239
of it. And just as I made that, you know,

1649
02:04:28.439 --> 02:04:33.000
all in one motion move, I hear a whistle directly

1650
02:04:33.239 --> 02:04:39.760
across the logging road from me. And it was a short, brief,

1651
02:04:40.439 --> 02:04:44.680
powerful whistle. And then the other whistle that was going

1652
02:04:44.720 --> 02:04:49.800
by the cabin stopped and it went dead quiet. And

1653
02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:53.199
I'm thinking to myself, whatever made that whistle is like

1654
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:58.399
right across the logging road from me. It's like, how

1655
02:04:58.439 --> 02:05:05.520
did it even get there without me knowing? And but I,

1656
02:05:05.600 --> 02:05:08.760
you know, I heard it. It was so close, and

1657
02:05:09.319 --> 02:05:11.880
but it warned the other one. It was watching me

1658
02:05:11.920 --> 02:05:16.720
the whole time. And so what I've later come to

1659
02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:21.319
realize is my theory is that when these animals come,

1660
02:05:21.680 --> 02:05:25.319
they'll do a three sixty around you to get the

1661
02:05:25.399 --> 02:05:28.279
lay of the land and figure out where everybody is

1662
02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:32.960
and before they do anything. And so what I think

1663
02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:36.239
they did is they they did the three sixty around,

1664
02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:39.840
saw me in the fox hole. He set himself right

1665
02:05:39.880 --> 02:05:43.359
across from me, and what was watching every move I made?

1666
02:05:43.640 --> 02:05:46.840
And when I raised that camera, he blurted out a

1667
02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:50.199
powerful whistle which shut the other one down. It all

1668
02:05:50.239 --> 02:06:02.279
went quiet, and I thought I saw, you know, nocturnal

1669
02:06:02.319 --> 02:06:05.319
eyes at different times for the rest of the night,

1670
02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:10.159
in different positions, but that was pretty much that was.

1671
02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:13.680
That was it for the night. So the next day,

1672
02:06:14.119 --> 02:06:19.880
it's really cold. I think this was in October. It's

1673
02:06:19.920 --> 02:06:22.880
gonna be a really cold night. So he goes to work,

1674
02:06:23.039 --> 02:06:26.479
he comes home. I say, tonight, I'm gonna sit on

1675
02:06:26.520 --> 02:06:29.680
the porch with my camera because now they know where

1676
02:06:29.720 --> 02:06:33.079
the foxhole is. They saw me sitting in it last night.

1677
02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:39.239
That gives up. So I sit on the deck right

1678
02:06:39.319 --> 02:06:41.680
by the door. But the door cracked and they had

1679
02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:45.239
a fire I'm pretty sure, going in a wood stove inside,

1680
02:06:45.520 --> 02:06:47.159
and I was hoping I would get a little bit

1681
02:06:47.199 --> 02:06:48.960
of heat coming through the crack of the door, but

1682
02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:52.560
that wasn't happening. I was out there freezing my butt off,

1683
02:06:53.239 --> 02:06:56.600
and so I got the camera in my lap again

1684
02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:02.279
and he black out the calls, and I'm sitting on

1685
02:07:02.319 --> 02:07:05.720
the porch and I think after about an hour, I

1686
02:07:05.880 --> 02:07:10.000
hear oft in the far distance. You know, I don't know,

1687
02:07:10.279 --> 02:07:14.880
I'm just gonna throw out a few hundred yards just

1688
02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:20.399
as a number. But I could hear this and then another.

1689
02:07:22.359 --> 02:07:27.640
There were two different tones, which at the end of

1690
02:07:27.680 --> 02:07:30.479
this night, I thought one was a male and the

1691
02:07:30.520 --> 02:07:35.079
other was a female. And so I listened to these whistles.

1692
02:07:35.880 --> 02:07:38.439
Much like in the military when you're on patrol and

1693
02:07:38.479 --> 02:07:41.119
you signal back and forth so you know that you

1694
02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:44.520
guys are still together and what your position is. These

1695
02:07:44.520 --> 02:07:46.720
guys were doing the same thing. It sounded like they

1696
02:07:46.720 --> 02:07:49.680
were about fifty yards apart, and I could hear the

1697
02:07:49.680 --> 02:07:54.600
whistles getting closer and closer. I'm like, well, this is

1698
02:07:54.680 --> 02:07:57.520
really strange. It just like they're telling me they're coming.

1699
02:07:58.760 --> 02:08:02.960
I mean, why would they tell their movement towards the

1700
02:08:03.039 --> 02:08:06.119
cabin like this. I know exactly where they are, and

1701
02:08:06.119 --> 02:08:08.720
they're getting closer. They're coming in from right over there.

1702
02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:14.840
And so they got up to pretty close to the cabin,

1703
02:08:15.680 --> 02:08:21.119
I don't know, maybe fifty yards, and then the whistling stopped.

1704
02:08:21.880 --> 02:08:26.199
I was hearing it like every few minutes as they

1705
02:08:26.239 --> 02:08:28.880
were coming up to the cabin. Now I didn't hear

1706
02:08:28.920 --> 02:08:32.840
it for like half an hour. It was just just quiet,

1707
02:08:32.960 --> 02:08:35.800
but I knew they got close. So what I think

1708
02:08:35.880 --> 02:08:38.119
they were doing is they got close to the cabin

1709
02:08:38.199 --> 02:08:41.479
and then they did their three sixty to figure out,

1710
02:08:41.560 --> 02:08:45.039
you know, what's going on here, And they saw me

1711
02:08:45.199 --> 02:08:52.680
up on the deck, sitting there. And and as I'm

1712
02:08:52.720 --> 02:08:58.359
sitting there, I hear what sounds like a cow walking

1713
02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:06.399
through the trees, I mean huge, not concerned with noise whatsoever,

1714
02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:11.039
walking through the trees from the right, which is where

1715
02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:17.039
the whistles had ended, and walking along the side of

1716
02:09:17.079 --> 02:09:20.640
the logging road in the bushes and trees. I could

1717
02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:22.520
hear it as clear as day. I swear it sounded

1718
02:09:22.600 --> 02:09:27.079
like a cow. And it walked up and then it

1719
02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:31.560
stopped right across the logging road from me, and I

1720
02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:35.520
can't I can't see nothing. And you know, I didn't

1721
02:09:35.520 --> 02:09:37.880
really want to raise the camera unless it was a

1722
02:09:37.920 --> 02:09:40.199
really good reason, because the last time it just shut

1723
02:09:40.239 --> 02:09:44.079
everything down. So I'm sitting there squinting and trying to

1724
02:09:44.119 --> 02:09:48.800
see and listen. But whatever was coming through the woods stopped,

1725
02:09:49.119 --> 02:09:53.319
and then I realized it stopped right behind my thought hoole.

1726
02:09:55.600 --> 02:09:59.600
So it walked up through the woods, made a lot

1727
02:09:59.600 --> 02:10:03.079
of noise, stopped right up my thought soul, and now

1728
02:10:03.359 --> 02:10:07.199
had a perfectly clear view of me sitting on the porch.

1729
02:10:08.319 --> 02:10:15.560
I thought, what a twist, what a turn of the table. So,

1730
02:10:16.399 --> 02:10:19.800
you know, this is what leads me to believe there's

1731
02:10:19.800 --> 02:10:27.880
some game playing. The intelligence, you know, the tactics. You know,

1732
02:10:28.119 --> 02:10:33.520
they're they're open to you know, a little, you know,

1733
02:10:33.760 --> 02:10:36.439
mixing it up a little, a little if they if

1734
02:10:36.439 --> 02:10:40.159
they believe that you're not a threat to them. And

1735
02:10:42.600 --> 02:10:47.439
so then I didn't hear anymore after that. I did

1736
02:10:47.600 --> 02:10:50.359
record the whistles as they were coming. I had I

1737
02:10:50.399 --> 02:10:52.880
turned the camera on in my lap so it could

1738
02:10:52.920 --> 02:10:59.520
just record the audio. But you know, it doesn't mean anything.

1739
02:11:00.079 --> 02:11:02.760
I played it for people when I got back to California.

1740
02:11:02.840 --> 02:11:10.199
You're like, yeah, that's interesting. But anyway, so I just

1741
02:11:10.239 --> 02:11:17.359
thought that was a really interesting encounter. So it ended

1742
02:11:17.439 --> 02:11:23.760
up spanning three, I think maybe four nights of activity,

1743
02:11:24.680 --> 02:11:30.560
but the same whistle I ended up using to train

1744
02:11:30.680 --> 02:11:37.720
my my my shepherd. I had a shepherd too, which

1745
02:11:37.760 --> 02:11:40.800
I I thought was a little sadistic. If we'ever out

1746
02:11:40.840 --> 02:11:42.680
in the woods in the sasquatch whistles, it will go

1747
02:11:42.760 --> 02:11:43.960
running towards them.

1748
02:11:45.359 --> 02:11:50.439
But anyway, that's that's yeah, that is that's kind of weird.

1749
02:11:52.479 --> 02:11:56.079
Do you so, do you have like any audio or

1750
02:11:56.199 --> 02:11:58.000
video archives from that time?

1751
02:11:58.279 --> 02:12:01.920
No. I I I did have the camera on when

1752
02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:03.800
I raised up out of the fox hole at the

1753
02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:09.640
front of the cabin, and uh, you know, I looked

1754
02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:14.640
at it and I didn't see anything. A neighbor across

1755
02:12:14.680 --> 02:12:16.760
the street was like, oh my gosh, let me let

1756
02:12:16.800 --> 02:12:18.439
me look at it, let me let me do some

1757
02:12:18.479 --> 02:12:21.479
of the elyss on it. And he looked at it,

1758
02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:24.680
and you know, it was the old real you know,

1759
02:12:25.279 --> 02:12:29.720
I h tape and he looked at I think I

1760
02:12:29.800 --> 02:12:32.159
see something right here. I looked at it and like, no,

1761
02:12:33.600 --> 02:12:35.880
I don't think that's anything. I think that might be

1762
02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:41.800
that little twig tree like getting brushed or something as

1763
02:12:41.840 --> 02:12:45.319
I raised the camera. But anyway, you know, I just

1764
02:12:45.520 --> 02:12:49.680
I don't keep stuff. You know. The main reason I

1765
02:12:49.720 --> 02:12:53.159
share this is to for people who want to go

1766
02:12:53.239 --> 02:13:01.319
out and experience be open and if if you see

1767
02:13:01.439 --> 02:13:07.079
or hear these these kinds of things, you know, it

1768
02:13:07.119 --> 02:13:13.239
may warrant some further research because you might be you know,

1769
02:13:13.319 --> 02:13:19.760
in a spot but like it. You know, I don't

1770
02:13:19.800 --> 02:13:22.479
even think I got to that one trail up in Washington,

1771
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:26.920
there were two trees on either side of the trail,

1772
02:13:27.760 --> 02:13:32.119
opposite of each other. They were about five inches in diameter,

1773
02:13:32.880 --> 02:13:35.680
and it was though something had rocked up that trail

1774
02:13:35.920 --> 02:13:42.000
and grabbed the two trees at whatever height above the

1775
02:13:42.039 --> 02:13:45.800
ground and then just pushed them over. These are absolutely

1776
02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:52.520
completely healthy trees. When they were broken over, it was white.

1777
02:13:54.760 --> 02:13:57.000
It was a white break, you know, the inner part

1778
02:13:57.039 --> 02:14:00.640
of the tree was just all white. It was a growing,

1779
02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:04.640
healthy tree. But something pushed both of them over the

1780
02:14:04.760 --> 02:14:08.880
same way. And it looked as though something walked up

1781
02:14:08.880 --> 02:14:11.000
that trail and just pushed them over and kept going.

1782
02:14:11.600 --> 02:14:14.439
I mean, it just it's that kind of strange stuff

1783
02:14:14.479 --> 02:14:17.119
you see. And there's no marks on the trees. There's

1784
02:14:17.119 --> 02:14:21.600
no chain marks, you know, there's nothing to give anything

1785
02:14:21.640 --> 02:14:24.560
away of something pulling it over. And you know, you

1786
02:14:24.640 --> 02:14:28.319
talk about trees that get broken over with you know,

1787
02:14:28.399 --> 02:14:30.520
some of the locals they ah, you know, it's probably

1788
02:14:30.600 --> 02:14:36.680
snow damage. No way in the places that these trees

1789
02:14:36.720 --> 02:14:41.239
are and the surrounding trees around them. There's no way

1790
02:14:41.319 --> 02:14:46.760
that these individual trees get singled out from snow.

1791
02:14:48.600 --> 02:14:49.640
And that was in Washington.

1792
02:14:49.680 --> 02:14:55.760
You said, yeah, that that one was in Washington. The

1793
02:14:55.880 --> 02:14:59.880
Olympic Peninsula is just a great place. That's why I

1794
02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:03.199
he's going to do all my research with the custom

1795
02:15:03.399 --> 02:15:10.840
trailer and four by four van, and that's I was.

1796
02:15:11.000 --> 02:15:14.800
I was really geared. I thought, you know, I'm going

1797
02:15:14.880 --> 02:15:18.039
to be the one who's going to get the encounter.

1798
02:15:19.359 --> 02:15:22.039
I'm going to get him to come up around My

1799
02:15:22.279 --> 02:15:25.760
trailer had like sixteen cameras all around the perimeter of

1800
02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:28.760
the roof. You know, if I could get him to

1801
02:15:28.800 --> 02:15:34.920
come to me. So anyway, but then I got Zoro

1802
02:15:35.039 --> 02:15:38.560
and my whole life was consumed by him. He was

1803
02:15:38.600 --> 02:15:44.079
a twenty four to seven animal, and you can see

1804
02:15:44.159 --> 02:15:48.279
on my x page, my Twitter file. I talked a

1805
02:15:48.319 --> 02:15:53.880
little bit about, you know, raising him. And you know

1806
02:15:53.920 --> 02:15:55.960
there are people out there that have kind of wolfy

1807
02:15:55.960 --> 02:15:59.000
looking dogs and they'll tell you, yeah, it's you know,

1808
02:15:59.079 --> 02:16:02.199
he's really wolf, but you know they're dogs. We have

1809
02:16:02.319 --> 02:16:06.479
a low content wolf dog right now that we rescued.

1810
02:16:06.600 --> 02:16:08.720
She looks pretty wolfy. I could take a picture of

1811
02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:12.079
her and put her on social media and say this

1812
02:16:12.119 --> 02:16:14.880
is darn near a pure wolf, and people would believe

1813
02:16:14.880 --> 02:16:19.319
it all day long, when in fact, she doesn't have

1814
02:16:19.439 --> 02:16:23.640
the DNA, she doesn't have the genetics. She's just got

1815
02:16:23.680 --> 02:16:27.479
the look alike. And she's the doggiest dog you will

1816
02:16:27.520 --> 02:16:31.119
ever meet. But Zora was a whole different animal. My

1817
02:16:31.279 --> 02:16:36.440
wife wouldn't be in the room along with him for

1818
02:16:36.520 --> 02:16:40.040
the years that we've been together and Zora was with us,

1819
02:16:40.440 --> 02:16:42.520
she would not be in the room alone with him.

1820
02:16:42.639 --> 02:16:43.000
Wow.

1821
02:16:43.399 --> 02:16:47.559
And if she felt if she fell down outside, thank

1822
02:16:47.600 --> 02:16:49.959
goodness he was in an enclosure, because he would have

1823
02:16:50.000 --> 02:16:53.959
been honor, you know, to fall down in front of

1824
02:16:54.000 --> 02:16:58.719
an animal like that. So it triggers an instinct, a

1825
02:16:58.760 --> 02:17:04.360
display of weakness. It's time to pounce. And she'd go

1826
02:17:04.440 --> 02:17:07.559
out and feed the chickens and fall down, and he'd

1827
02:17:07.639 --> 02:17:10.799
cover about thirty feet in a second and be right

1828
02:17:10.840 --> 02:17:16.760
up to the fence teeth, Baird. It's just it's a

1829
02:17:16.760 --> 02:17:24.600
different animal, of course, you know. With me, you know,

1830
02:17:25.399 --> 02:17:30.040
of course, it's I call it Stockholm syndrome. I'm the captor,

1831
02:17:30.079 --> 02:17:30.879
he's the prisoner.

1832
02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:32.799
Right there, you go.

1833
02:17:34.159 --> 02:17:39.120
Yeah, But anyway, I think I think I've covered, you know,

1834
02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:44.559
pretty much everything. I hope, you know, people find some

1835
02:17:44.600 --> 02:17:45.680
of this stuff interesting.

1836
02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:52.159
Rory, it is. It is extremely interesting. There's Is there

1837
02:17:52.760 --> 02:17:55.559
a way that there's going to be some guys I

1838
02:17:55.600 --> 02:17:57.280
know that are going to listen to this and they

1839
02:17:57.280 --> 02:18:02.680
are going to to have questions about potential questions about

1840
02:18:02.719 --> 02:18:05.200
like the caves on Onion Mountain and stuff. Is there

1841
02:18:05.200 --> 02:18:07.280
a way that people can reach out to you at all?

1842
02:18:09.120 --> 02:18:16.840
Yeah? Absolutely, you can give them my email.

1843
02:18:17.840 --> 02:18:22.840
Okay, gotcha? Yep, okay, so the one that you.

1844
02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:29.680
Said, and you know, I think yeah, and you know,

1845
02:18:29.840 --> 02:18:33.200
like the caves up on Onion Mountain, I could have

1846
02:18:33.280 --> 02:18:35.600
spent a lot of time up there, but I didn't.

1847
02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:39.159
You know, I found what I found, and I found

1848
02:18:39.200 --> 02:18:42.760
what looked to me that blasted cave entrance and I

1849
02:18:42.840 --> 02:18:46.000
spent you know, the day there exploring that, and I

1850
02:18:46.040 --> 02:18:51.520
was convinced that was a cave engine entrance and it

1851
02:18:51.600 --> 02:18:55.559
was blasted shut and I went down to Orleans confirmed

1852
02:18:55.559 --> 02:18:58.559
it with a ranger at the range of station, and

1853
02:18:58.600 --> 02:19:02.239
that was it. That was good for me. But who knows,

1854
02:19:02.280 --> 02:19:03.879
you know, somebody can go up there and find some

1855
02:19:04.040 --> 02:19:07.920
open caves that are just you know, off the beaten path,

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and they may find that they're still being occupied from

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time to time. That Bluff Creek Valley, I'm convinced that

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has been inhabited for centuries and they go in and

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out of it and you know, stay or whatever. But

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I'm convinced if you wanted to find a place, I

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would give that a pretty good shot now. But you know,

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it's been quite a while since I've been up there.

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Maybe it's completely dry, you know, but those guys on

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Expedition Bigfoot, they seem like they're you know, they're in it. Yeah.

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I mean, there's there's some good some good guys out

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there right now. But Rory, it's been a pleasure talking

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to you, and thank you for sharing what you experienced

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over the years on my show. I greatly appreciate it,

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and I'm sure that my listeners appreciate it as well.

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Thank you for coming on.

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Okay, thanks for having me. Jeremiah, have a good night.

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You got it, sir. Just wanted to take a few

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minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners

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for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to

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to the following or know someone who has, please reach

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out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com

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us on my email. Here's a list the Subtle Lake

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area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon, McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home,

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pretty much that entire area, the north part if you

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get what I mean. I'll see you back next time. Listeners.

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