The Washington Expedition

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Welcome to Big for Society. In
this episode, I talked to Jonathan,

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the listener who went to the twenty
twenty three Washington State BFRO expedition and what

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happened there. It's a very interesting
chat, a lot of things that outsiders

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don't normally get to see. If
you've got a Bigfoot encounter, please contact

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right, Big for Society. I've
got the privilege of talking to Jonathan.

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He's from the Pacific Northwest. Jonathan
reached out to me about an expedition he

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was on and some interesting things that
happened on it. But how's it going

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today, John? Then, Oh, pretty well on yourself. I'm having

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a great night. I'm glad to
be able to talk to you. And

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uh, you know, I'm going
to go ahead and let you get right

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into it. Yeah, so we
are. Me and my brother my dad

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attended a expedition to Bufo last July. And there's the group was about a

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little over twenty of us and we
went out to Limbon Peninsula a little the

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area around forks and yeah, no. They constantly kept telling us the whole

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time that we can They basically promised
that they could put us into a situation

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where they could try their best to
have something happen, but they can't promise

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it, obviously, And we were
completely surprised by just how much happened.

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I would be spanning for like four
days. It was one of their more

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eventful ones they'd had in the past
couple of years. That's awesome. And

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was this the first time you were
being involved with a bigfoot event like this

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or like how long had you to
bigfoot four? Oh? Yeah, since

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I was a kid. It was
more of like funny enough. It was

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kind of like my senior year graduation
present in a way, which I thought

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was kind of fun, But yeah, I've been into it for forever,

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So it's just more of like I
finally got a chance to do it.

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You know. That's awesome. Is
your dad really into it as well?

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Yeah he is. The three of
us were It was one of those things

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that we kind of all fancied,
we just never got around actually sitting down

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and finally doing it. We're like, oh, we actually have a chance

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to do it, so let's do
it. How did you get set up

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with going on the expedition? Did
you have to get a lot of gears

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or had you been hiking before?
Yeah, so you know, did the

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whole winter. Cabella has picked up
a couple of camping camping materials and whatnot,

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and they kind of did like a
grocery store run. They gave us

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a rundown of what you should and
shouldn't bring. Yeah, it was just

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more of just getting the supplies in
general, like the tents and the food

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you need. And the only downside
is obviously there wasn't any showers because we're

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literally camping for four days. But
it was honestly really fun, Like I

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never thought, you know, being
like just not showering four days a bunch

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of twenty year old, twenty random
strangers would be like that fun. If

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that makes sense, I get it. I've also been out on a few

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things not BFRO related, but it
was independent and it's just really nice to

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get out there disconnect from different things, especially if you're in the Pacific Northwest

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where it's beautiful a year long.
Oh that's true. I mean you could

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probably go to a grocery store and
it'd still be beautiful because it's in the

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Pacific Northwest. But yeah, can
you paint the scene for us of what

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kind of area that you went in, because I know you have to be

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very careful about how you tell where
we're at for this. Yeah, so

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that just is because it was private
property, like because normally when you sign

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up through a VFR expedition, this
is actually I thought this was really cool.

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They make you sign an NDA that
basically says you're not allowed you're not

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allowed to disclose where we're going,
how we're going, or what we're doing

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until after the event, because obviously
they don't want some Joe Schmo dressing up

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in a gorilla suit beforehand as a
third party and setting stuff up. You

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know, they wanted to make it
as fun and as actual genuine as possible.

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But we actually had to sign a
second NBA because this was private property,

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basically saying we're not allowed to disclose
this to do stuff like this like

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podcast or tell other people on a
platform like this, we're not allowed to

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disclose like obviously because we were literally
camping in another person's backyard, like their

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house was visible from our tents.
It was a pretty bizarre experience, but

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it was It was pretty cool.
It was out by Fork's Ish, That's

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kind of where it was. I
mean, there's a lot of wild stuff

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out there sides the twilight stuff,
but you've got like, what the whole

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rainforest is out there? Oh yeah, do you know if this was a

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property where they had reached out to
the BFRO with a sighting and they had

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a lot of activity happening on that
property. So yes, it was a

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mix of both. It was more
of it had been in their eyesights for

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a while and they'd been there a
couple of times, and it was more

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of like a private one of those
high up on the food chain. I

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guess only a handful of people knew, and they finally decided to release it

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out to the public to actually try
to you know, do stuff with like

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did you to do an actual expedition
on Oh, that's pretty cool. So

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he kind of walked me through what
happened first first day when you first first

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got there. Yeah, so we
got there in the afternoon ish because the

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drive is a little interesting and the
time they ride that you're going to do

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what even orientation with everybody there,
and they kind of told us what to

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expect, like how the night walks
work, the Calton night operations and whatnot.

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They're basically and just picked their camping
site and kind of went from there

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and on. Nothing really happened in
the day, but it's more of the

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evening we did our night operations.
My brother actually kind of for kicks and

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giggles, but the expedition posts thought
this was a very good idea. My

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brother bought his literal Scottish bagpipes,
and they thought it would actually be a

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brilliant tool to use because you know, you've ever heard of bagpipe, they're

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pretty stink and lab. You put
them on a like a high elevation,

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they there's nothing in at least two
miles. They can't hear it, and

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they thought it would be a brilliant
idea to use that on a night ops

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with One team was with the bagpipes, which me and myself and my dad

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Braun, and there was another group
that circled around like the mountain because we

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are at we're at a base of
the mountain. And there was a third

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team that was a couple of guys
they were going to go camping up on

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the top of the mountain and just
stay the night there. But yeah,

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no, it was. It was
a pretty bizarre experience because it was just

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like my brother was sitting on the
hillside playing bagpipes and there was a clearing

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below us, and it would just
get carried like after he played, you

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could hear it just carry for like
an extra three or four seconds. It

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was really cool. Do you know
if it ever had been used in the

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history of the BFO or is probably
a first time. I actually, I

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actually don't even think so. I
don't even to be honest with you,

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because I know I talking to these
VFRO guys. They were so cool.

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They basically very much heavily distinguished that
there was a difference between the Finding Big

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Fit TV show and the BFR They
worked there and within I don't even think

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they did that type stuff even on
Finding big Fit like the show, So

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I actually think that was probably the
first time they did something like that.

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And I think that's just because the
bagpipes is such a hard instrument to learn

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that it was just really it was
really off putting, but we used it

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and it was. To be honestly, I think it was pretty effective what

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they were telling us, because something
that really I thought was interesting that they

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constantly told us that there is no
experts in Bigfoot. Anyone who says that

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is basically just lining to your face. There are people that are more experienced

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that have just learned from like working
in the field, right. And something

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what they told us from their experience
is that because of TV shows like Finding

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Bigfoot in documentaries that people kind of
kept doing like howls and whatnot to where

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they've noticed is that they don't really
do howls anymore. They just kind of

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like knock or make other noises.
So hearing a bagpipe I think really startled

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them. And after we played,
essentially what basically happened is my brother was

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playing some chains on a hillside.
There's another group that was below us kind

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of circling around, and there was
also a group in base camp and when

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we were going down the hillside playing
you know, open clearcut and eventually when

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he stopped playing and while they were
playing, the base camp immediately on radio

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started calling off that there was knocks
going on across the road behind the base

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camp, like immediately. And these
weren't like from what we talked about later

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that evening is these were not just
simple like tree snaps. These were like

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what you can traditionally call the stereotypical
like power knox, just like the wa

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wam wham, you know, like
a baseball bat to a tree, which

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like really got everyone excited. And
there was other knocks. People were hearing

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them like the other side of the
road towards our base camp. And that

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was that was really bizarre to here
in like two different places at the same

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time, basically because it's like,
oh, okay, so you don't you

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don't know, you know, like
this isn't like normal. Did they say

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if there was a pattern to them
at all or no? They I don't

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recall them ever mentioning it was a
pattern, but they were just making I

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just remember because I was with the
group A and They basically just called on

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the radio that they were hearing knocks
and they would just described it that evening

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and everything was said and done.
So then you've got you've got knocks happening,

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you got power Knox, you've got
your brother playing bagpipes. Uh did

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the bagpipes continue after the Knox or
were you like, okay, let's settle

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down with the bagpipes. He actually
kept going. He brought it all the

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way into base camp and nothing.
Basically, all the groups kind of met

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up after a good hour or two
and we just decided to go back to

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base camp, you know, and
just sat around the fire having fun,

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you know, telling stories and just
in general having fun, and my brother

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kept playing in the base camp a
little bit. Nothing really happened while we

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were in base camp. However,
when it was more of when me and

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my father were going back to bed
is when stuff like really kicked off that

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evening. So all the groups were
in except for there was like a group

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of the more of the quote unquote
BFR leaders. There was a couple of

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them that were camping on the hillside
where my brother was playing the bagpipes for

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the night and before the group heading
back they all had thermals and all this

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high tech gear and whatnot, and
one of them spot spotted something on the

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thermal. Unfortunately, just just how
things are, none of them had the

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ability to record on their thermal,
but one of them spot it on a

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thermal, and then they had two
other people seeing the exact same thing on

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the thermal. So it's kind of
like one of those weird experiences where you

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have three people with three different thermals
all seeing the exact same thing. And

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what they were describing. Then we
saw this the next day through the recreation.

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But basically it was this really thick
hickory bush, so you like you

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really can't see through it, or
like even the thermal can't peek through it,

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but they would see like the top
of like I don't know, I

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describe it like a cone head basically, and it would like peek up and

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then go down, move like six
or seven feet to the right, peekup,

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look down. It would keep going
and it did this about a dozen

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or so times from what I recall
from what them saying. But it was

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just really weird that they all three
of them were seeing the exact same thing,

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and this was like way thick in
the woods, like there wasn't anybody

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from our group back there. And
then on top of that, there was

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a third guy that was behind that
was kind of acting as like a watchman.

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He kind of was following us,
like thirty forty yards behind, and

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he kind of was trying to get
the group's attention because he was hearing something

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walking behind them, and of course
everyone when that happened, everyone turned the

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attention to wherever the walking sound was
coming from up on the hill. It

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was behind us about them by about
twenty or thirty yards, and I personally

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think looking back to it, it
was kind of like a decoy trying to

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get us to distract it because they
basically were looking down to it in the

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sackory bush patch and there really wasn't
anywhere for it to go. And there

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was the second one behind us,
behind the group up the hill, and

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it was like making sounds and not
like sounds, but it was like making

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really loud, like stopping sounds,
and I think it personally distracted the group

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just long enough for the other one
to get ay. That's what the group

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conceded with hindsight the next day.
So that happened, and then the group

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came back, and then everyone was
kind of like really pumped up after that

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happened. Wow, And that was
that just the first day? Then?

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Oh, that was just the first
night. Oh my goodness. Wow.

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And how late was all that happening? Again? This happened probably between eight

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pm to eleven pm, so in
the span of like three hours. Okay,

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so it happened at eleven pm.
And then how late did you guys

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go to bed or did you do
a thing where it's like you're staying up

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all night? Oh? First night, I think we went to bet around

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like midnight or one in the morning. We didn't stay up that late.

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But it was when me and my
dad, like we were going back to

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the truck or in our truck where
all our food was and where they were

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my dad was me and my dad
wanted a twinkie because we just brought some,

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so we went back to the camp
to get one, and we heard

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this rustling in the bushes and we
couldn't describe it, honestly, because there

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was another guy truck right next to
us, and there was kind of like

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a little path into the woods,
and you know, guys using it as

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a cheat sheet sheet, we kind
of used it at a little mini bathroom,

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you know, this little path into
the woods. And at first we

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thought it was like them, Like
I didn't really think it was much of

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anything until it like stopped moving,
Like it just completely stopped, and we're

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like, okay, whatever, like
if just the guy wants his privacy whatever.

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But the thing was is it kept
moving, and it wasn't until we

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heard the only way I can describe
it is if you took a two by

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four and just clean snapped it,
just like you just snapped it into That

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was when I like freaked out because
I was like, that is not a

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person. Like I was like,
oh okay, We're like, oh okay,

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this is different. And then that
was too our like facing the woods.

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That was like two hour, eleven
o'clock, and then a couple seconds

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later we heard like heavy stoppings and
then we heard another snap to about our

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nine o'clock, and then at that
point we realized, okay, this whatever,

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it's these hickory bushes. Like the
owners of the house surrounded the entire

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property in these really tall, ten
foot high, about three or four feet

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thick hickory bushes. Because you know
that they're also were bigfooters too, so

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they wanted to see if they could
bring them into the property essentially because you

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know, if it's a lot more
they to their experience. They felt that

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it was a lot more comfortable if
these things had like more security, if

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that makes sense, like to where
they could just kind of freely approach people

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without being seen, because you really
couldn't see even with a flashlight, you

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could not see through these hickory bushes. But we were hearing this and this

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couldn't have been more than thirty yards
back behind these bushes. And at that

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point we went back to the cabin
or to the group at at base camp,

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and we were telling like, hey, we think we're hearing something behind

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our camp. And at that point
everyone kind of like you know, freaked

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out, and everywhere there was a
kind of a small group that went out

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into the woods. I didn't really
go with them. I stayed in base

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camp, but like, that really
was freaky. Just in that moment you

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just hear that like two by four
snap, and you're just like, oh,

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what was that. You know,
that's that's wild and that's a really

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interesting piece of info. So you
said that the people that own the property

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were also bigfooters. So do you
know if they did they purchase the property

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because they knew bigfoot was there,
or did they discover bigfoot and just happened

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to be bigfooters. I couldn't tell
you, but I honestly don't know.

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To be honest, I think more
of it was just more of a convenience

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thing. I think they noticed it
and just like, hey, let's just

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put this and plug this in and
see what happens. Right, Yeah,

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makes sense. Any any interesting sounds
have been recorded around the property, Oh

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yeah, definitely, not just that
property in general. But there's another organization

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that we did stuff with. Uh
that was the organ of the Olympic Project.

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I don't know if you know those
guys that those guys have set up

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audio recorders like in that whole woods
and they were showing us like what they

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caught over the past couple of years, and that was really cool. That's

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awesome. So the OP guys were
there as well. M Oh yeah,

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dude, that's that's great. Man. When you you guys went to sleep

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eventually and were you woking up in
the morning, anything weird happened at you

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know, like a two or three
am type deal? Oh? No,

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to what I remember. I don't
think anyone that night woke up to anything

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in particular. What's the the morning
like on a on a BFL expedition.

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I mean, everyone kind of like
wakes up and does their own thing.

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It's more of they do a nightcap
like a like a recap of what everything

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happened at eleven am, I think
eleven am and Danish like right around lunchtime.

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So everyone kind of did their own
thing. But the reason before the

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morning thing happened, we got approached
by the BFRORO leads me and my dad

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did early in the morning, right
after everyone broke up. They kind of

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disclosed us to the side and talk
to us, and they wanted us to

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disclose what happened because they wanted to
wait until eleven am to really tell.

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But of course words spread of the
snaps that me and my dad heard,

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and they wanted the leads wanted to
talk to us because they said that there

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was a couple of like DFRO guys
that went around back there that morning and

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they had found tracks following the exact
same line of the snaps we heard,

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and they wanted to like tell us, be like, hey, like,

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don't tell anyone, yet you kind
of want to like get the cast in

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before people go out there and like
destroy the tracks, because they apparently they

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were really good tracks, so they
wanted to like go out there and cast

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it and whatnot. How big were
the tracks when we saw them, Like

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if you have ever seen tracks before, like you know what I'm talking about,

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Like it's just bizarre. It's otherworldly, like there's nothing else to describe

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it. There was about one of
our the good, the better tracker guys

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in our group was he said he
was able to track it for about one

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hundred yards under the woods ish not
very far until he lost it. But

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there was about seven or eight really
good tracks. They were about six to

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eight inches wide and about twenty inches
long, and they were about almost an

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inch and a half deep into the
ground. Like and this wasn't mud,

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this was straight dirt. So a
lot of weight to push that down,

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of course. Oh yeah. And
there was another guy in our group.

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He was six five if sixty six, he's probably two hundred and fifty hundred

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and sixty pounds, probably more heavier
than that. And he tried to jump

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with both feet next to the footprint
to see how deep he could get.

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He couldn't even get ninch at all, not eating clothes. Were there any

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interesting details in the t track casts
that were found, like dermal ridges or

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anything out of the ordinary. I
was talking to them, a couple of

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the Olympic Project and BFRO guys,
and they were discussing over it, and

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they actually initially thought that somebody was
hoaxing us because they were way too good,

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like they'd like a lot of a
couple of those guys were saying,

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this is there are these are the
best tracks we've ever gotten, like in

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our entire like Bigfoot career. They
kept doing like recalls from last night,

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like hey, everyone was accounted for, Like this isn't somebody hoaxing us.

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But it was the part that just
really was freaky is that one of the

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steps that came off a log,
and the log was not only indented,

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but you could see it pressing into
the ground and like the toads were splaying

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as in each step, which is
obviously a big teller if it's fake or

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not, because like the fake ones
are like the wood clomber, right,

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I don't like move around very much. That is really cool. So how

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did the rest of the group take
that info. When that was shared,

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they they were unbelievably like excited,
like it was just one of those cool

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things, because like it was one
of those things like others take it a

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step further to say that why we
thought they were real because within perfect eyesight

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you could see the height of five
foot to six foot You can't really see

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much, but somebody came in and
was able to look at it from an

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angle of like six or seven feet, and it was a perfect eye line

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to our camp. But where hickory
bushes were, it completely covered it.

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You couldn't in the middle of the
dark, you wouldn't know this thing is

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looking at you. And you could
have been thirty feet away from it,

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because we've it's been standing still,
just looking at you. That's all it

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did. And that was like really
creepy to think that it was just within

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like only a couple of yards of
our camp just looking at and watching us.

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You know, yeah, yeah,
that's that's really wild stuff. Was

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anyone able to get like a three
D scan of it as well or just

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stick to track casts? I believe
one of the organizers for the expedition was

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going to you a three D cast
of it. I cannot recall. I

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believe they did. I can actually
ask them later, but I don't.

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I don't know if they did in
Ornet. So everyone's everyone's pumped from the

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news that you found some tracks and
then the news of what happened to you

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and your father. So then what
happens later that day following we did a

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couple of day walks. They actually
showed us how to like cast tracks,

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which I thought was kind of cool. It was just cool to see like

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tracks being cast in real time.
Did a couple of day walks, and

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then we actually did a recreation of
the night before we saw the cone heads.

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And the reason why I was saying
it was around six seven feet tall

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is the bushes of the bush line, like we couldn't see the person.

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We had actually a we had a
visual like tried to set up see if

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we could see them in the bushes. We totally couldn't and they're just the

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just the tree line. It was
just with hindsight when you do recreations,

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just how to like well hidden a
lot of things are in the cover of

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darkness, Like just things could be
right in front of you and you just

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do not know. It was really, really freaky doing a recreation and notice

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that. Yeah, this thing was
probably at least six six to like seven

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foot. Oh that's wild. Yeah, was that abound around the same time

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of day that had happened originally that
you did it too, Uh, yeah,

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it was. It was originally it
happened at night. I made a

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recreation in the day and it was
just weird to see it like side by

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side, like just like from what
everyone's recollections. And then we actually the

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guys tried to the guy actually put
on bright clothing like neon green clothing and

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actually went up the hill. It
tried his best to get out there because

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there wasn't any game trails. This
was like a straight inclined tail, just

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forest and shrubs everywhere. And he'd
laid on the top of the hill and

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started making noises and we could hear
him, but we definitely could not see

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him. So it was just like
another thing was freaky. That was just

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like, oh, okay, yeah, that's crazy, and you're you said

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it was a four day expedition.
Yeah, and that was where only that

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was the end of the second day. The second day we decided or the

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second night that night ops, we
decided to kill the bagpipes because in my

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personal opinion, and this is something
that the expedition leaders agreed to too,

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is that I just thought it was
a good opinion was that let's be real

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here, if you're living out in
the woods twenty four to seven, you're

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going to get like there's nothing for
you to do really, you know.

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So it's like when you hear something
like bagpipes, it kind of like it's

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different. It's like everyone else.
I mean, think about it, if

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somebody was playing bagpipes in their backyard, all the neighbors are going to open

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their windows, being like the world, but what's going on here? You

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know? So I think it's just
like a natural response because they're reported to

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be curious. So I just thought
that was bizarre. But the second night,

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we killed the bagpipes because we thought
it would be better to see if,

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like then it would make noise in
response to like other noises that we

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did. The second group Group A, we always with Group B that we

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did split up into two teams.
Group A reported or thought that they were

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being followed. Nothing really happened with
my group. I was in group Nothing

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really happened the whole night, But
Group A thought they were being followed,

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and they had this new developed strategy
that the BFRORO started to is using because

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people found out that these things really
not really found out would have like come

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to some sort of a consensus that
they thought that these things will mimic your

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footsteps to kind of like mask your
masks their steps essentially. So we do

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like a three two one stop where
all of this just kind of like counts

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down to one and then we stop. And then if if it's all as

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timed, you know, you can
hear like a crunch, crunch crunch of

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it like stopping like in the background. And that is a really freaky experience,

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especially when it's like it's never directly
behind you. It's always till like

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your three o'clock or your six o'clock
or like seven, like it's it's like

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it's your sides behind you, you
know, And that was really freaky for

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them to hear, like the hindsight
like hearing them describe it. You know,

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did you actually hear that play out? I personally heard that the third

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night, which was the final night. I heard that on the final night,

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But the second night, no,
nothing really happens. I had a

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pair of pairabolics on and I heard
whistling constantly, which we deduced the later

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by listening to whistling sounds of birds. It was a bird, but it

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was just really cool to hear like
a pair of paarabolics, you know,

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just listening to it. But yeah, that was really all that happened night

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too. We were hoping to try
to lead it into the camp again,

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and no, nothing really happened with
that, gotcha. So you got the

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lot of stuff on the first day
recreate shouldn't on the second day, and

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then the third day sounds like that
was your your last day to try to

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get stuff to happen again, because
fourth day it doesn't really sound like much

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happened or it's the last sea.
Yeah, just kind of pack up and

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pack up and leave. But the
third day that was really interesting. There

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was a guy who showed us basically
this sound system that he set up in

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the Olympic Peninsula that he would just
record sound and he would just spend hours

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just going through it. He would
record a year's worth of sound and then

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go through that audio logue. It
was really interesting the stuff that he was

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caught, like, because he was
saying that there was a recent study out

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of then out of I don't know
what college it was, but that specifically,

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chimpanzees can see infra red, which
which was what trail cameras see.

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They see infra red, so which
is why when they were trying to take

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trail camera footage footage of champanzees,
they couldn't ever get them. They deliver

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Champanzees were elusive, but when they
put up audio recorders, they were hearing

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the chimpanzees left and right, left
and right. So this guy who came

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to our expedition, who was telling
us about it, he thought it was

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actually, wait, why don't I
supply the exact same knowledge to Bigfoot?

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Like just no trail cameras, only
audio recorders, and he was showing us

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some of the things he caught.
It was pretty cool, just things he's

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caught over the years, like random
weird sounds like he wouldn't expect to hear

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in a forest. You know,
was that a OP guy? Yeah?

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I bet I know who that was. Yeah, I think we both know.

409
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:33.440
We were talking about he's a really
cool dude. Cool. Yeah,

410
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.559
yeah, oh he's so nice.
We're talking about the exact same guy.

411
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:41.720
But yeah, it was really cool
to listen to all the things he's caught

412
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:49.079
and heard over the years. And
that day nothing really too much happened,

413
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.839
but it was that night was actually
I think was like the highlight of the

414
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:57.720
whole trip. I mean, the
foot trips obviously were like its own highlight,

415
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:06.279
but it was just more of my
personal highlight. And so the final

416
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.200
night we did exact same thing.
We brought up the bagpipes because we're like,

417
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.319
Okay, it worked the first night, not the second night, so

418
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.960
common sense kind of tells you,
okay, let's bring up the bagpipes again.

419
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.279
And we did three groups again,
guys on the hill. There's a

420
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:25.079
there were guys circling the mountain and
we were on the hillside and the hill

421
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:32.640
it this time going down the hill, we didn't hear anything, and there

422
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.519
was It just felt dead the whole
night, you know, like just the

423
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.240
whole night there was just nothing.
And I was with a group of people

424
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.240
and we just it was just our
last night. It's like one in the

425
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.920
morning, nothing happened, and me
and a group of people we were like,

426
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.440
yeah, let's we want to find
something like this is our last night.

427
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:49.720
We're gonna go out. We're gonna
come We're gonna come back, not

428
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.720
until the sun rises, you know. And so this is really pretty cool.

429
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.119
There's this one guy, a survival
expert, my brother in a literal

430
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.079
Afghanistan vet. Like the four of
us just went running out in the posts,

431
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:04.480
like running out of the woods,
but were really deep into the wood.

432
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.039
We went like at least two miles
in, like just random off the

433
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:15.400
trail game trail we're going in,
and one of the expedition leaders is like,

434
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.599
wait, why don't we just start
like doing knocks. We're deep enough

435
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.680
to where they're definitely not going to
hear us, and the radios couldn't pick

436
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.400
it up, so like yeah,
so we started. The four of us

437
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.400
started doing knocks for a little bit. We sat there for a bit,

438
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.200
nothing really happened. We were there
out for like an hour and a half

439
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.000
ish, and we decided to walk
back. I had a pair of pair

440
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.839
of bollocks on the Afghanistan met I'm
not kidding you. Brought his actual military

441
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.240
great helmet with like the ear muffs
and the ike goggles and everything. It

442
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.920
was something out of like call of
duty. It was really cool. And

443
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.359
the other travel guy bought his like
first aid kit in his massive like survival

444
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:52.920
bag, and my brother bought a
pair of night vision goggles as well,

445
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.759
so we were like very set up. But it was when we started walking

446
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:03.640
back was when the creepy stuff started
to happen. So at first, the

447
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.759
only way I could describe it is
if this wasn't as loud as a two

448
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.759
by four snap, It just sounded
like like you're just like walking by a

449
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.599
tree and you like grab upon a
low hanging branch that's like just at your

450
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.039
eye level and you hang on it
and you like let it snap. It's

451
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:25.079
that's what it sounded like. You
know. I heard that, and both

452
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.559
me and the guy at the time
that he we both looked at each other

453
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.480
because he had a hands hearing and
I did hans hearing, and we're like,

454
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:30.839
oh, did you hear that?
We're like, yeah, you did.

455
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:33.119
It's just kind of one of those
cool moments where it's like when you

456
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.039
you both know you're not going insane
because you're with you both like each other

457
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:38.200
like, oh did you hear that? You know? Right, So we

458
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:44.759
stopped for a minute we heard something, and then we started hearing the footsteps

459
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.160
again, and it was behind us
to our right, it was like around

460
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.039
five o'clock ish behind us, So
like, okay, cool, so let's

461
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.759
let's that's one thing that they told
us was that like, if you think

462
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.759
it's following, you don't let it
think that it's following you. Like,

463
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.319
if that makes sense, like you
to outsmart it. You want to make

464
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.119
sure that you want to act like
a normal person. It's just because it's

465
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.880
curious. The moment you thinks you're
timid, it's not going to want to

466
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.599
approach, you know. So we
just kept walking and we did the whole

467
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.400
three two one stop, you know. And that's what I got to hear,

468
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.960
the heavy just the the leaves,
just crunch, crunch, crunch.

469
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.799
That's what I got to hear it
with a parabolics on, which is just

470
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.400
enhanced hearing. And that was streaky
when both me and the vet looked at

471
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.319
each other and we're like, yeah, this thing is definitely following us.

472
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:34.440
And it wasn't that far behind us. It was probably around fifty yards ish.

473
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.880
But the thing is is that that's
the other part that spreaks me out

474
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.960
is you kind of know when this
thing's around because you don't hear any birds,

475
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:44.359
you don't hear any nightlife. It's
just dead quiet, so the sound

476
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.519
kind of carries farther when there's no
nightlife, you know. Oh yeah,

477
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:57.480
absolutely, yeah, yeah. And
we started walking and we kept going back

478
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.200
towards the trail, and we're like, you know what, the one of

479
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.640
the leaders group, he's like,
I've been practicing all year to do like

480
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.000
an intimidation growl. I want to
try it. So he turned around and

481
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.599
we waited for a second, and
then he did the really loud like I

482
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.119
don't even know describe it, like
a gorilla grunt or something. And the

483
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.880
part that really scared me, and
this thing, actually, this actually still

484
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:23.039
scares me to this day. We
actually heard the footsteps go backwards and just

485
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.039
proceeded to go backwards into the woods
until we couldn't hear it anymore. It

486
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.599
just kept going until we couldn't hear
it. That freaked me out. Yeah,

487
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:37.279
And then a couple of seconds later
we walked back down the trail.

488
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.400
We're on an actual page trail at
this point, like the main trail you'd

489
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.680
see in the woods where like bikes
would go back and forth and whatnot behind

490
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.880
us. Immediately, me and the
vet turned around because the only way I

491
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.599
can describe it is. It sounded
like you took a rock like about the

492
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.279
size of a softball and just threw
it along the pavement. You know,

493
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.519
you're like that skidding sound. Yep, you heard two of those, just

494
00:33:57.559 --> 00:33:59.920
like skid skidding, just like across
the room. We've all turned around.

495
00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:02.240
Was that a rock? Like it
was only like thirty feet behind us,

496
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.200
but it was just like what it
was just weird, And we kept did

497
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.159
the whole three two, one stop
again and then we heard it again.

498
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:10.880
We're like, okay, this things. I don't know it's back, but

499
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:15.239
it's back for something, you know. We did a couple more times.

500
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.719
The final time when we got closest
to the camp, we didn't hear anything.

501
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.360
But on that trip we headed back, we told everybody about what was

502
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.079
going on, so everyone is kind
of on pine site and high alert,

503
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.400
you know, but nothing else happened
that night the rest of that night,

504
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.599
but at that point it was like
three in the morning, so it's like

505
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:37.800
the whole night had been spent at
that point. Yeah. Oh wow,

506
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.360
Oh that must have been hard to
go to sleep after that for sure.

507
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:49.159
Yeah right, so yeah, was
that I mean, after that, then

508
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:54.480
you are you're pretty much, you
know, getting camp all packed up.

509
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:58.840
But was that do you think that
was the craziest thing that happened during that

510
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:05.239
expedition? Then? I the footprints
were definitely freaky. They were just bizarre

511
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.079
to see. I think experiencing this
type stuff in real time is what freaked

512
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.280
me out. To actually hear the
footsteps behind you, to hear a rock

513
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.440
skidding across the pavement, you know, and then to look at another person

514
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.159
who is a military vet who uses
this stuff all the time, have panic

515
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.400
on his face and he's like,
what the heck? What's that? Right?

516
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.280
Like? That was freaking See just
be like, oh, okay,

517
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:31.599
have there been any any visuals on
that property or in that area. Uh,

518
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:38.119
supposedly other people who've come on their
on their own personal they have two,

519
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:46.639
not on that expedition particularly, but
yeah, that was really bizarre to

520
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:52.519
hear. You know, that's wild. So I'm guessing there was probably like

521
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:59.960
some final uh no you said it
was called nightcap or you know, there's

522
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.400
probably a final meetia the next morning. And was this uh is this par

523
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.320
for the course for for BFRO expeditions
or do you think it was a little

524
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:13.599
bit more actually than usual? It
was a little bit more action than usual

525
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.880
usual to what they were saying,
but they followed still all like the protocol,

526
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.480
you know, with like the expeditions
and like the meetings and whatnot.

527
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:27.760
It was still really fun though.
That's awesome. Would you do this again?

528
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.039
Oh totally, I'm doing this again
in July. Wow. Do you

529
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.320
think it's going to be the same
area or no, it's different. This

530
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.039
place is different. They actually one
of the reasons why I'm not revealing the

531
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.280
place of it, not just because
it's private property, but it's because this

532
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.679
is an Olympic project and BFRO collision. Everyone played their part, everyone was

533
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.559
happy, everyone had their fun.
So this was really this was a really

534
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.039
fun expedition. Yeah, that's awesome
that you were able to experience that,

535
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:01.000
because that you're right, that is
a very rare event and I don't think

536
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:07.320
I've heard of too many more too
many other events happening like that in the

537
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:13.000
past in that area. So that's
awesome. It sounds like. Then after

538
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.159
that pretty much all went your your
own ways. But you'd said there's something

539
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:23.239
else that had also happened to you
at a point, Oh yeah, so

540
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:27.960
this place around we kind of went
all of our separate ways from there,

541
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.079
and people kind of kind of the
Facebook page that they kept for this kind

542
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.159
of died off and everyone kind of
those ways. This is back in last

543
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.519
July, but then February, this
was recent. This last February, one

544
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:44.960
of my really close friends was coming
back from college early and I wanted to

545
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.119
hang out with him, so we
went out to his property. He lives

546
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:52.000
out in Port Orchard, and there
there was an old cemetery in that area,

547
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.039
and he wanted to show me it
because they had just renovated it,

548
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:59.960
because it was like these were like
graves going back to like the eighteen fifties,

549
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.639
Like these are really old graves,
and they revetovated it so because they

550
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.159
want to like just keep preserved the
history, you know, And he wanted

551
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.039
to show me it because the contractors
had just finished like the week prior.

552
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.760
So we went up there and it
was just one of those things where it

553
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.559
was just like I don't describe it, like you just feel like something is

554
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:24.039
watching you while you're up there.
The whole time. We tried to go

555
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.599
back in the woods, and you
know, I was just telling him from

556
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:31.000
my own personal experience, like you
know, just the Bigfoot and going back

557
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.840
on the previous expedition. He thought
it was really cool too, and you

558
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.159
know, we're in the woods,
you know, having fun, just two

559
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:45.000
teenage young adults. And it was
when we were walking out of the woods

560
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.719
or out of the cemetery is when
like weird stuff happened. I can't describe

561
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:54.280
it, Like coming back from the
cemetery, we heard like it was.

562
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.519
That's the part that I don't want
to I don't want to describe it as

563
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.840
PTSD because it was just like freaky
to hear it again. But it was

564
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.159
just that exact same two by four, just snap coming from this back from

565
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.800
the cemetery, and we're like already
twenty five thirty yards away. We're walking

566
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.360
down and at that point I was
like, okay, I'm walking back,

567
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.159
Like dude, this is hearing that
two times in a row and a span

568
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.119
of like six times, like like
from two separate events, is just weird,

569
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.360
you know. So we went all
the way back. I walked all

570
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.039
the way back. I didn't see
anything, didn't hear anything, but it

571
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.880
was just more of that moment where
it was just like, yeah, whatever

572
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:29.119
it is just doesn't want me there, you know. So we walked back

573
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.039
again, but on the way back, we took a separate route, you

574
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.400
know, because if you know,
the layout of port Orchard kind of like

575
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.280
is a circle. So we walked
all the way back around and on our

576
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:44.400
way back around to his house.
This was really creepy. I actually got

577
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.199
photos of it, and I sent
this to a couple of people in the

578
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:51.239
bfrow and they thought it was really
cool too. I saw we saw a

579
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.599
peerage in the mountain side because it
was like a highway and it kind of

580
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.480
on the left hand side kind of
turns down into a bank where there's like

581
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.880
a riverbedd and then going up to
the right hand side is like this huge

582
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.280
steep hill you know, with like
trees, you know, stereotypical Pacific Northwest

583
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.800
like rainforest type like looks. But
in the woods there's this like gap in

584
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:19.719
like the bushes. Coming down.
There was these muddy footprints in the in

585
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.880
the driveway and lighting driveway in the
in the road in the highway, and

586
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.039
it goes all the way off into
the river, the trackscicle all the way

587
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:28.159
down to the river bank and then
on the other side through the river and

588
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.239
up the other side. And this
actually freaked me out because it was the

589
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:37.239
exact same type lookage. I guess
if the ones from the previous summer were

590
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.280
like, it's just the exact same
style, you know, single file four

591
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.880
feet apart, about the same size. These ones were definitely smaller. These

592
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:50.840
ones were like six inches wide and
about probably fifteen sixteen inches long. But

593
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:52.880
I actually put my boot up next
to it, I'm like, oh,

594
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.639
these are small, Like at first
I thought this was somebody running down.

595
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.639
I put my boot up next to
it, and I'm like, I wear

596
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.800
size thirteen and men, and I'm
like, this is at least four or

597
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.039
five inches longer than my foot,
and I can see like toes, Like

598
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.840
this is not okay to me.
And my friend are freaking out because we're

599
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.719
like we're just seeing like the track
line, like just the breakage of the

600
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.199
bushes coming down like the hill and
onto the road and then just into the

601
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.000
river bed. And it looked relatively
fresh too, because this is a highway,

602
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.280
you know, there's like mud on
the road still, so like if

603
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.159
cars are passing by, you know, it'll it'll ruin, it'll ruin these

604
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.599
like mud lines, you know.
So I just thought that was really freaky

605
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.199
to see, you know, in
the middle of February of all things.

606
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.000
Yeah, that that is wild.
Did you say you got pictures of that?

607
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.119
Yeah? I got pictures of the
track line, the track line and

608
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.679
the footprints side by side, and
my friend got the track line, and

609
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.280
I got the photo of the footprints
of my boot right up next to it,

610
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:46.800
of the best one, because they
were all like you could see the

611
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:51.239
outline of the foot but it wasn't
like really defined, you know, because

612
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.320
it's this is on a this is
on a highway. But the one because

613
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:57.239
it's stepped in the gravel and the
gravel I'm not kidding you, it like

614
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.760
pushed the gravel down and you could
see the toe line like where the toes

615
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.519
were because like just how heavy it
was. I was just freaking out,

616
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.760
like this is gravel, Like how
is this like creating this in gravel?

617
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:09.719
You know? And I sent those
a couple of my BFRO guys and they

618
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.920
thought it was the ones from the
previous expedition. I still had their numbers

619
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.639
and their contact information and I sent
it to them and they thought it was

620
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:22.679
really cool as well. Jonathan,
you you have experienced some pretty pretty cool

621
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:30.679
things over over the last i mean
not even a year and this is your

622
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:36.840
first foray into it. What do
you hope to expect from when you go

623
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:43.000
out again this year? Honestly,
I don't know if I'm gonna I'm not

624
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.599
expecting much because I don't think it's
gonna happen, Like lightning doesn't strike twice

625
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.280
in the exact same spot. You
know, if I'm not expecting much,

626
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.719
I'm more of because like I've developed
friendships with these BFRO people. That's the

627
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.760
thing is that they don't tell you
is you develop if you do this right

628
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.280
and you are just a genuine good
person, they will. They they're genuine

629
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.000
good people too. I just I'm
more there just to hang out and have

630
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.800
fun because these guys are really cool. Like, once these BFRO guys want

631
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.159
you get to know them, they're
pretty cool dudes. I just want to

632
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.679
go out and have fun. It's
just Bigfoot's just the side piece, you

633
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:14.480
know. Yeah, you know it's
very weird that, you know, if

634
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:19.599
it's people where they tend to have
the right the good intention when they go

635
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:25.679
out, those people usually tend to
have stuff more happen than it's a guy

636
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.039
going out and he's like, oh, I'm just in it for the money.

637
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.360
And the fame, and you're probably
not going to have too much happen,

638
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.440
but that might just be coincidence,
who knows. I got to ask

639
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:44.360
you the question that usually always gets
asked, but do you have any thoughts

640
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:50.880
as to what you think bigfoot is
just from what you've experienced so far?

641
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:57.440
So, I mean, this is
something that one of the Olympic Peninsula guys

642
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.400
said, and I thought it was
really profound, was that, I know,

643
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:01.760
the reason why I think it's flesh
and blood is because it leaves,

644
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.800
scat, leave footprints, leaves hair, what else the leaves footprints, scat

645
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.719
and hair, deer, elk,
moose, like every general animal you know.

646
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:16.239
So it's like, I get the
argument for saying that it's that it's

647
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.960
spiritual, but like also, I
mean, anything else could be spiritual,

648
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.719
so it's like it just could be
anything. At that point, I'm more

649
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.159
and more attached to the physical side
of it, because it's like if there

650
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.880
wasn't we don't we call it bigfoot
because it leads big foot tracks, you

651
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:37.960
know, right, true and good
point at a good point, So definitely

652
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:45.480
of flesh and blood. Do you
are you thinking more of a of a

653
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:52.199
ape type creature? Or maybe something
that's you know, a lost human type

654
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:58.159
creature, or do you have any
thoughts about that? Actually, that's the

655
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:00.559
part why I'm so curious, and
I don't know, because like I myself,

656
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.639
I don't know. I've just listened
to a lot of these spiritual podcasts

657
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.920
that that makes sense because I myself, I'm a Christian, so a lot

658
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.400
of my friends who've done this before, they just describe it as like a

659
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.079
demonic thing. That's the part where
I went out there, when I experienced

660
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.159
this and I got so close to
it, I didn't feel that weird like

661
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.519
like spiritual the like presence or whatever. It's more of just felt curiosity,

662
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:23.280
which made me more inclined to think
that I think this is more of just

663
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:28.679
an animal, like a like a
just a not half sentient, but more

664
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.159
of like a just an ape that
just has a bit more of a brain

665
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.559
to it, you know. Sure. So, so your friends, I'm

666
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.559
gonna guess they're probably they're thinking that
it's like some type of like nephile m

667
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:45.119
or yeah, that's what they think. I mean. As old, the

668
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:46.800
argument goes, there's two there's two
crowds. There's a flesh and blood and

669
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.199
they call them the WU crowd or
I don't, I don't know what they

670
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.760
call them now. No, that's
that's you know, pretty much dead on.

671
00:45:54.079 --> 00:46:00.840
That is pretty much the big distinction
right now, which you know,

672
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:07.239
there's there hasn't been one captured that
we know of that's been studied, so

673
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:13.199
you know, kind of who knows
so far. But man, Jonathan,

674
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.840
it has been a fun chat with
you. It's it's always interesting to see

675
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:25.079
events like this from the viewpoint of
someone that is you know, hasn't been

676
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:30.119
going out for twenty years because I
talked to I've talked to a few BFRO

677
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.079
researchers and they definitely have a certain
viewpoint. But it's it's very cool to

678
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:40.159
see things from someone who is new
to the subject and be interesting to you

679
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:46.079
know, definitely keep in touch,
be interesting to see if anything happens in

680
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:52.159
the future for you as well.
But thank you so much for coming on.

681
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.400
And how do people you know,
if they want to go on their

682
00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:00.480
own expedition with the BFRO, how
do they do that? I wish BFRO.

683
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:06.400
Yeah, you just go literally just
go on the BFR website and just

684
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.039
like look at expeditions in your area. The fee there is a fee,

685
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.880
like it's like a three hundred to
five hundred dollars fee, and that sounds

686
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.679
like a lot of money. But
when you think about it from the place

687
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.280
of that money is not really going
to Matt Moneymaker. Like I know a

688
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.159
lot of people are to have negative
views towards Matt Moneymaker, which I don't

689
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.360
really care too much and I don't
really pay attention to the Bigfoot politics,

690
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.800
you know. But when you put
it in perspective that most of this money

691
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.880
isn't going to him, it's actually
going to the expedition leads. The guys

692
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.639
that are literally driving out of their
way from like Scott Taylor for an example,

693
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:39.159
he drove it from Oregon. A
couple of guys drove it from Idaho.

694
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.920
They're getting reimbursed for gas money because
I mean, like you don't want

695
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.199
to drive all the way from Boiseing
back or Portland and back, you know.

696
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.039
So it's like these guys are doing
it for fun. They're doing it

697
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.119
because they want to experience the attention, the love, and the dedication that

698
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:57.039
they've put into this hobby to you
guys, and they're trying to put it

699
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.800
to you guys on a silver platter. Showing that like years of experience,

700
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:01.960
they just want to get to you. All they want to do is just

701
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.360
have a good time. And honestly, three to five hundred bucks for it,

702
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:09.960
it's I think that's reasonable. It's
really worth it. Like you couldn't

703
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.400
put a price tag on that experience. It was just really cool. Yeah,

704
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.559
And I think the connections that you
would make out of it and the

705
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.480
people potentially you could meet at one
of these events, that alone, to

706
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.840
me, would would probably be worth
it in itself. I mean you you

707
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.280
have, yeah, definitely a f
You met OP members, you know,

708
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.000
and were able to chat with them, and I mean that alone is awesome.

709
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.280
So oh it's actually they're very rare
and hard to get ahold of apparently,

710
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.360
and so actually getting to meet them
and like experiencing like just talking to

711
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.599
them, Like those guys are like
veterans and they have years of experience and

712
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.840
just hearing their stories. I got
some wild stories and I love just listening

713
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.320
to them. You know. Oh
I bet man that I bet the stories

714
00:48:54.440 --> 00:49:00.519
that are shared on those expeditions are
pretty wild. But I bet they also

715
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.920
probably stay in the expedition. Oh
yeah, dude, I talked to a

716
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.880
lot of guys that actually a couple
of the guys who actually worked on finding

717
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.440
Bigfoot actually were there at the expedition
and they were telling me like behind the

718
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.320
scenes like the TV show, like
how it went down, and it was

719
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:19.440
just like really different. It was
really cool, Like here somebody who worked

720
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.320
behind the scenes, like tell how
it works, behind the scenes, like

721
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.400
how weird it was. You know, Oh, that would be awesome.

722
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:31.519
I can probably, I bet I
can guess want or I can guess who

723
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.639
those guys are, but I won't. But yeah, that's the cool thing

724
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:42.039
about the Pacific Northwest events is you
have some really cool people showing up.

725
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:47.239
But Jonathan, thank you so much
for h for reaching out to me,

726
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.400
and I'm glad we had this chat. I think this is a fun one,

727
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.559
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But thanks again so much for listening. Guys, Her and I can

765
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get out here and we can tell
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766
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767
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:50.239
the courage to come out. And
now I feel so bad about it.

768
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.280
Who cares what anybody thinks. I
know what I saw, I know what's

769
00:53:53.320 --> 00:54:14.760
out there. That's all I care
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770
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let them know. If you ever
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772
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shame on you