April 19, 2026

The Western New York Bigfoot That Shouldn’t Exist

The Western New York Bigfoot That Shouldn’t Exist
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Season 1

In this episode, we dive into the experiences of Ryan Reading, a longtime researcher from Western New York who has spent over 15 years tracking, observing, and documenting Bigfoot activity in one of the most active regions in the Northeast.


Ryan shares the moment that started it all—a close encounter with a juvenile figure at an old homestead—and how that experience led to years of consistent fieldwork across remote forests, trail systems, and hidden corridors deep in New York wilderness. What followed were repeated sightings, including a massive 9-foot presence witnessed with another person, along with footprint casts, trail camera captures, and audio recordings collected through disciplined, boots-on-the-ground research.


Throughout the conversation, Ryan explains how he mapped movement patterns, identified travel routes, and used habituation techniques to increase the chances of interaction. He walks through the strategy behind some of the most compelling images and video he’s captured, offering insight into how these encounters happen and what keeps them just out of reach.


This episode also explores the intensity that comes with long-term exposure to the unknown. The experiences shared here go beyond brief sightings, revealing what it’s like to stay in the field day after day, pushing deeper into areas where activity continues to unfold.


If you’re interested in firsthand accounts, documented evidence, and a deeper look at how serious Bigfoot research is actually conducted, this is an episode you don’t want to miss.

Resources:

Ryan’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/R-READING/author/B0FCDB9M49

https://www.amazon.com/CHALLENGE-YOUR-INTERPRETATIONS-RYAN-READING-ebook/dp/B0GG5C5LZG

Ryan Reading on Soundcloud - https://soundcloud.com/ryan-reading-545925788

Man Beast of Western New York documentary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtay1opxm4

Ryan’s Youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@WesternNyBigfoot/videos

Contact Ryan here: ryan_reading@yahoo.com


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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, big for Society, Welcome

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back to another episode. I've got the privilege of talking

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to mister Ryan reading today. You may know him from

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really he's referred to online Western New York Bigfoot, right Ryan.

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That's correct, awesome, and I'm glad to have you on

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the show today. He's helped me out with some stuff.

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Ryan's a smart guy. He's gone through a lot. You said,

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what you're up to, like fifteen years of research?

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Yeah, unfortunately, but yes it's been about fifteen years now. Yep.

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Absolutely. And then for the audio listeners, as a reminder,

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this is also a video interview. You can listen to

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over on the big Foot Society YouTube channel, and if

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you do that, you'll be able to see what is

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a five mounted white tailed deer over Ryan's shoulders. So

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there you go, guys. If you want to see that,

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hop on overs the YouTube channel. It's worth it. But Ryan,

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is there anything else that you would want the listeners

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to know about you? For context before we get going

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talking about your years of research? We've got some photos

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to go through, some audio, some really interesting stuff today.

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I mean, sure, my day to day, I'm a real

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estate investor, That's kind of what I'm into. I'm a

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published author and can find my books on Amazon. I'm

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an avid outdoorsman, a hunter with the company pro Staff

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Company follow Up Session. I'm also an article contribute to

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white Tail Life magazine, so I have a well rounded

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gamut there. I also own a I'm the founder of

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a hunting company, righte Tech Hunt Systems, So pretty.

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Busy absolutely, And then you got the bigfoot stuff on

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on the side, and man, there's I don't know if

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a lot of listeners know how how wild Western New

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York is for bigfoot stuff, but there's there's a lot

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a lot going on over there over the years. But

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you know, Ryan, when when I talked to someone uh

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that has a lot of experience, a lot of years

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into it, like you do you mind if we start,

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uh you know, back with with what it was that

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that got you into the field of bigfoot, what really

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sparked things off for you there.

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Yeah, it's not like I wanted to just get into

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this realm here. It was because of my first sighting. Right.

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So my first sighting while I was metal detecting out

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at an old homestead, uh it, I was just breaking

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it down quickly. So there was an old well. I

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had come around the well and I went up this

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hill embankment where the where the foundation.

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Used to be.

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You could see all the cobblestone, and as I worked

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toward the west side of it, I had to duck

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down under a low hanging branch. But abruptly the hill

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kind of went straight up right there, you know, like

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a I don't know, sixty degree angle. It was pretty steep.

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And as I came under that branch and I looked up,

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I didn't realize it at the time, but maybe you're

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talking maybe twenty feet from me, there was there was

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one standing there and at the time, I didn't know

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anything about a juvenile. I didn't know anything like that,

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you know. I just did a double take seen it

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and it was it was protruding from behind the tree.

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It was kind of like this, and then it came

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out like that. But as I did the double take

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and looked at it, it realized it sees me. And

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what it did is it kind of the head, the

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whole body shift, but it bared its teeth. To me,

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it kind of went like that, and I was able

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to see that it didn't have any canids. It was

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all block teeth right. So as it did that, it

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turns to its left and I can see the display

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of ten as it does this, and I can see

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the posable thumb. I could see as it goes down

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on all fours, and I'm watching it as it hits

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the remaining you know, hillside and goes up and over

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that hill. In a matter of like maybe four seconds,

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it was on all fours. It was gone. But to

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describe it to the people, it was probably around five

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and a half foot tall. You know, that's the realm

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that I envision jet black, total jet black, really long,

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lanky arms, skinnier, it wasn't like this rope. It wasn't

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like others that we had seen later on. This wasn't robust,

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this was young. The head on it was more like

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a chimp style head. It was rounded. It didn't have

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that full brow ridge or anything like that. It was

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more like a rounded chimp head, right, And that that

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will that will come to play later on in some

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of the photos that I captured, because it kind of

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looks like the same individual in my opinion. Okay, so

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but you know that that came later on. So this,

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this whole scenario kind of it shook me. You know.

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I ran out of there, grabbed my dog, got to

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the vehicle, went home, and you know, the only person

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I actually called I told my mother. I was like, listen,

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this is what happened to me. And I didn't tell anybody.

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It was just like Mum's the word. I tried to

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actually get it out of my brain like that. It

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wasn't real. I was kinda I was shook, and and

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I didn't understand what to do as a hunter because

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that had never happened to me before. And uh, it

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kind of just went by the wayside, you know, and

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I kind of just said, well, if it is, it is,

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and there's nothing I can kind of do about it, right,

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But I kept trying to downplay it like it wasn't real.

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And then the following year I was with a friend

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of mine who actually passed away. Now his name is

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Brian Lidlow, good guy. We were actually as the crow

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flies about a mile from that location my first sighting,

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and we were doing the same thing out metal attech

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and having a great time. That's like one of our

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hobbies that we really did, you know, find old coins, homesteads.

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It was a good time. And so we're at this

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This rolls into my second encounter, which actually pushed me

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into the research realm. So we were detecting maybe four

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or five hours, and as the sunset, we kind of

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split up. There's a there's a large trail that they

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used for snowmobile state Land, and it's you know, it's

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a fifty yard swath all the way across and then

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it just goes down through the woods for a couple

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of miles, four or five miles in this one section,

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and I was on the right side, he was on

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the left side. I was still in the timber though,

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and it's sun is setting, you know, summer day July,

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and I'm able to see him come up out of

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the woods to the trail. He was on a higher

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side over there. I was on the low side, near

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an apple tree, and I was like, well, I'm gonna

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come out of the woods too, you know, he's obviously

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finishing up. So I started to head toward his direction.

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As I get to the opening where the clearing is,

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he's pointing and he's like, look. So I took off

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my headset as I'm walking toward him, and I'm like,

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what did you say? And he's like look. And I

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look up the trail and right in the middle of

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the trail I'm going to say about two hundred yards

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maybe maybe just shy of that, but you know, one

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fifty to two hundred using my hundred perspective, I look

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and there's something in the trail and it looks like

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if I thought at first it would be a huge bear,

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it just looked like this ball. It looked like a

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ball of fur almost, but it was like kind of

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taking up the whole gravel trail up there. And you're talking.

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You know, these were old stagecoach trails, so they're they're wide,

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you know, they're not small, and this thing is up there,

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and now he comes to me. Brian walks to me,

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and we're shoulder to shoulder and he's like, dude, what

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the f is that?

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Like?

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What is that? What are we looking at? And I'm just,

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all of a sudden, like I started getting that feeling.

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I'm like the first encounter started coming back to me.

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And as that happened, he's got the shovel from the

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metal detecting shovel and he's holding it like this, and

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this thing stands up and as it stands up, I

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kind of like, I'm doing this. I'm holding, you know,

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to keep the perspective, the point of view. I'm kind

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of really looking at it, like what is this? And

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that's when it stands up, and as it does, and

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I kind of just and I stepped back because it

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was so gigantic. I ended up this one. We ended

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up getting some measurements on and a footcasting from, obviously,

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which pushed me into the research. But as we're standing there,

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it was gigantic. It was huge. Ended up being nine

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foot eight, okay, and we got that for a reason.

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So it's standing there. This whole interaction is probably maybe

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twenty seconds, twenty five seconds, but it's twenty seconds, but

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it seems like an eternity, right, it seems like an hour.

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So as this is transpiring, it turns and as it

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goes to turn to its right our left, it takes

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one step and the second one it's already off into

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the bramble and timber. It's already going into it. But

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as it does that, there's a conifer and this branch

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is hanging over the trail, right, So when it turned

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to go, it hit its head on it. And when

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it hit its head, I watched the branch do this

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and I was like it just it was like a

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aha moment, like I can measure that, Like I can

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I can see what that is. Right, So we ran

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out there. We were kind of like, dude, let's just

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let's get out of here. And I started telling him.

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I was like, dude, that was a big foot, like

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that was and He's like, no, couldn't be. He was

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in he was in the denial phase like I was

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the first time. But now that I had witnessed it

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with somebody, I was like, Okay, I'm not bananas. Now

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I need to figure out what these things are where

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they you know, I need to apply my techniques. I

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need to just and I went gung ho at it.

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So the next day we went back up there. That's

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when we measured the distance from the head to the

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to the ground, or from the branch to the ground

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nine foot eight. And then as we looked, there was

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a mud I don't know, like a section that it

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stepped in. I ended up getting a nineteen inch foot

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cast out of it, which I still have to this day.

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Wow, that's nineteen inches. That is that normal for what

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you're normally seeing in Western New York. I mean, that's

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that's really big. I feel for the East Coast very big.

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So at the end of the day, the ones that

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we've had, I've had probably about seven different encounters over

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fifteen years, and that's only because we tracked them. We

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went after them, we stayed in the woods, we followed

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them through the county, We did astronomical things. I mean

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at one time we were even well habituating with them, right,

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And that's how I recorded some of the audio. But No,

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nineteen is big. Normally we're seeing them in like the

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seven foot range. This one was very large, like you

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could see the mass to it. I could see its

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browridge from two hundred yards away. It didn't even have

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a neck. If you had Haul Hogan standing there, he

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would be tiny, right, Like this thing was ginal, the

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legs on it like they look like tree trunks. That

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it was jet black. That's one of the features that

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I'm noticing up here is most of them are jet black.

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I've had two encounters, one where it was like a

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brown cinnamon and another which is I have a photo

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of which it was white. I didn't see it, but

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I have a photo of it where you could see

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the head and it's it's a white colored creature. But

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the majority that I've encountered are black. But that one

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was gigantic. It was you could see the barrel chest

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on it like I don't even know how to explain it.

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But the way the hair you can't I couldn't really tell,

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but you could tell that the hair stopped in the

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region of the face here because the way that the

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sun was coming from behind it. But it looked like

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the I want to say, the skin was shinier, had

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like a a shiny tone to it, like oil. Maybe oil.

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I couldn't tell, but you could tell that there was

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a distinct difference from the from the brow ridge around

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here in the facial eyes to where the hair started.

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You could just you could just tell. And as like

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I said, as it took that stride off to the

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to its right, it was probably that stride was probably

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five foot from a standing turn in just a right, Yeah.

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It was. Yeah. It just it blows my mind when

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I hear stuff like that. And I'm still at the

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point where I haven't had what I would call like

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a visual siting, like a national geographic type sighting. But

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I mean, man, to hear you explain it is pretty wild.

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What do you think is the closest that you've You've

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been to a big foot over the years during your research.

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So the closest would probably be well, so the there's

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two circum there's two instances that I was close, right,

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the juvenile which was my very first encounter, and that

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was you're talking about twenty feet so but that was

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a scared encounter, that was a fight or flight encounter.

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I was taking everything in and not absorbing or understanding

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during the research. I knew what I was looking for, right,

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and I was hunting one day and I had one

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come off from my left I can. I'll briefly describe

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that because let me say this, during our research, we've

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experienced so many things in the Bigfoot realm, including what

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you would say, I guess are aliens and the the

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wu side, right, that decide that people don't want to

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talk about. Right, Well, there's certain things that I have

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to talk about because if I don't, I'm not being

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truthful to myself. Right. So during this I'll briefly tell

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you about this hunting encounter. I'm sitting in the tree stand.

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I'm up on a valley and up to my left

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I hear what I know as a wood and I

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was like, that's interesting, Like I didn't even know they

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were in this area. Right about two minutes later, I

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heard one down in the valley and we're talking either

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side of me, maybe three to five hundred yards, but

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it echoes, you know, whack. I could hear it. As

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it's getting darker, I hear this noise up up to

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my left side and you're talking maybe fifty yards and

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I'm looking through the timber to my left and it's

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bow season. I've got my bow and I've got my

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ozonics running. So an ozonics is a machine that helps

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eliminate your scent. Right, it blows ozone right, so nothing

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can smell you. So to my left, I'm looking, and

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I'm looking and I'm looking. This story has been told

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to a few people, but not many. So as I'm

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watching this creature come down from behind this big oak.

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There's a huge oak tree. There's just one big oak.

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It comes down, it gets behind the tree, and I'm frozen.

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I'm kind of I'm shook. I'm scared, right, but i

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grab the bow and I'm holding the bow and I'm like,

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if i have to shoot, Like if this thing comes

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after me, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna shoot. It's

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probably seven and a half feet tall, so it's tall,

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but I'm I'm at about eighteen to twenty in the tree. Right.

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It comes down, and this is the weird part. So

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it comes down, it passes me, and it's actually headed

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toward the toward the road. There's a road that way.

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Probably it's probably like abuck seventy five to the road.

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It's not very far. So as it's going toward the road,

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it gets past me maybe forty yards, and then it

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bends down and there's this huge log. I mean, I

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don't know, eighteen inch round or something twenty inch round.

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It grabs with its left hand. It pulls the log

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up and it reaches under it and grabs something. I

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couldn't tell what it grabbed though, right, but it's almost

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like it knew it was there and it was on

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a mission to go there. So it went there. It

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grabbed what it grabbed, and it put the log back down.

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It didn't fully, it just kind of picked it off

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the ground. It turned around, it started walking back, and

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I'm like, oh, like it's it's gonna come toward me,

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like and now my heart's pounding. I don't know what

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to do, and people are like, well, why don't you

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get a camera? At that time, you're not thinking anything

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about this, You're not worried. You're just in this moment,

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like what am I supposed to do? What is going

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to happen? Is this thing? You know? It's not like, oh,

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you know, oh, I'm gonna lollygag and just take my phone.

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In hindsight, maybe I should have, But I when I

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was experiencing this, as the sun is setting it's getting dark,

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you don't know what to do and you don't even

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know how You're gonna get out of the woods, right,

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So this thing's kind of coming back at me, and

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I'm like, if it's gonna come at me, I'm gonna shoot.

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So I've got the I got my release. I put

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my release on the boat, and I'm like, if it's coming,

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I'm just gonna pull back and fling on and try

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to hit it right in here if it's coming at me.

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But as it gets to the old I guess you

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would say it's a logging road, it breaks and it

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goes right again, and it gets right up behind that

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tree and it goes this same way that it was

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coming in. And I kind of relieved that, and I

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hung the bow back up slowly, and I felt myself

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coming back down a little bit. I'm like, okay, focus

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at what's going on, and I'm watching that tree. But

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it never comes past that tree. You know, as it

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would take a stride to keep going in its direction

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that it came from, it didn't. All of a sudden,

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I see this light. It's like this flash of blue light.

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Like I don't know how to explain it. I don't

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know what you want to call it. It's just this

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flash of It's it's not a teal, but it's it's

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like this blue almost like a blue electric light, like

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like electric blue purple like it's and then nothing, I

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hear nothing, I see nothing. It's gone. This thing is gone.

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And I'm just like, I don't understand. I can't process anything.

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I couldn't understand these things. But yeah, I ended up

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leaving most of the stuff in the tree. I basically

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I flew down the ladder I got to and I

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ran to the truck from the road. I literally ran.

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I got in the truck and I just I started

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it and I punched it, and I just I drove home.

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And like that affected me for some time because not

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only was I encountering a big foot, now there was

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a bigfoot that I don't know what happened to and

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it essentially you would say it disappeared, right, So now

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I'm just like, I don't understand. I don't So there's

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a lot of things to break in that research like,

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and I tell people like, I'm just at a standpoint

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where you have to explore everything because if you don't,

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you're lying to yourself. So most people say, well it's this,

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or well it's that, I don't know. I don't know

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what it is. I don't know what we're seeing. I

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don't know what type of abilities they have, but I

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just know what I've experienced.

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But absolutely what you said there is is very very important.

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I think that we're doing ourselves at a service if

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we're cutting certain things out of encounters that are reported

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and not investigating them. But also I would say that

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it's important to know where you stand yourself and how

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you are grounded before you get into this field, because

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it is just going to be an eye opening experience

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if you really really get into it, you are going

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to be tested in a lot of a lot of ways.

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That's one hundred percent. You couldn't said that no better,

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you know, Like, am I grateful to be able to

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see what I've seen? Yes? Has it hindered me? Yes?

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And that's why I said in the beginning, I don't

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know if it was, you know, a blessing or a

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curse technically, because there's a lot of things that happen

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that I can't explain, in everything from health issues to

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things that you don't want to see, you know, And

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it seems to be the status quo in the bigfoot world.

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Like there's many people that have run into these things

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that had issues down the line, health issues, problems, just

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different things. Some have passed away. I've lost three of

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my team members passed away, and it's it's just there's

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there's like a stigma, and it's you know, people don't

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really understand. I had another thing happened to me which

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was very spiritual, which one of the main reasons that

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I stepped back from the big footing for a while.

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So we were at a conference at Lake Chautauqua and

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we were speaking and that night, you know, before the conference,

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me and my buddies had a couple of beers. We

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were hanging out. I said, I'm going to bed. It's midnight.

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I got to you know, speak in the morning. I

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got to have my booth. I gotta do things. I

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went to bed and I had this i'll call it

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something that isn't good right. So it's not a good spirit, right,

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this is malevolent. And I had this thing come to me,

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lay on top of me. Essentially, I don't know if

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it would try to it was trying to harm me.

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Whatever it was doing. It was sucking at my mouth.

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It was about six inches from my mouth and you

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could see the white mist forming like that they talk about.

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And the only thing I could think of is I'm Catholic.

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So I was able to turn my head because I

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was like frozen. This thing was on top of me.

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Literally it was six foot tall six maybe five six

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foot tall something like that. I'll tell you what it

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looked like. But it was the only thing I could

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do is turn my head and say, Jesus helped me

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in my head. And when I did that, that's when

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it stopped and it got off me, walked away and

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disappeared into the closet. But they talk about all these

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things about mind speak, all this stuff, and this happened

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to me. So when this thing was on top of me,

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I tried to scream and I really couldn't, but I

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heard it tell me that, you know, I finally got you, right,

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so and I was like no, Like I'm thinking to myself,

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what that. So it was this gray opaque skin. It

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had two horns, it had the eyes were like like sunglasses.

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I'm gonna say they were so silver or black that

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they look silver. And it had this huge mouth with

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all these jagged teeth right, and it was trying to

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suck at my mouth. So I guess some people call

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it a sucubus or incubu, whatever those things are called.

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They don't want to know. I don't care because that

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part is not in my realm. Right. So anyway, after

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this whole thing transpires, I have this bad encounter. We're

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at the conference and we're on the deck and it's

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just like let me help you, essentially, and I'm like,

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he's like, I'm an ordained minute, like he was ordained

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at one time or something through a fire station or something.

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I didn't know this. Well. They were in the paranormal

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room themselves, and he happened to have like holy water, frankincense,

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Mrrh all this stuff that I didn't know. And he's me,

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being Catholic, I pray, right, so it's like, pray with me.

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This is what everybody was telling me, right, and I

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supposedly told them no. So when that happened, I blacked out.

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I guess they were praying over me and his team

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member at the time said she was preying on my

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back and I was really hot and she was putting

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holy water on me and stuff, and I didn't know

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any of that. So I came to it and the

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next thing I knew, I don't know if it was

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ten seconds or two minutes. I came to it and

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I looked over the deck and I said, I'm gonna

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throw up. So I ran down the deck, which is

447
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.799
really long deck. It's probably like fifty feet long. It's

448
00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:32.440
a long deck on the back of this camp. I

449
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.960
hit the stairs. I dropped to the left alongside the cabin,

450
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.240
and I started to, you know, to throw up right

451
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.440
in Layman's terms or heave. And as I'm doing that,

452
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.880
they came down there and this is what somebody had

453
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.720
told me. And the next thing I remember is coming

454
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.799
to he had he had lit the frankincense or something,

455
00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:58.920
and he stuck it right in my nose, right in

456
00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.160
my nostril. When he did that, it like woke me up.

457
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.400
And next thing I remember is it came like I

458
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:07.839
got the rest out and then he was holding me

459
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:12.079
against the side of the barn or side of the cabin.

460
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.839
He's holding me, and I just remember sweating and crying

461
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:19.279
and all this other craziness going on. Why these people

462
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.039
are like all looking at me. Why this transpired. So

463
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.000
after that, I backed away for like three years because

464
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.079
I feel like some of the negativity or whatever that

465
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.119
energy was that tried to get into me? He said it.

466
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.440
They call it a partial possession or whatever. I think

467
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.400
it may have come from the woods searching for these things,

468
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.880
looking into these things, because people always talk about like

469
00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.240
a veil, right, there's like this veil, like we can't

470
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:54.920
figure out what they are. But in my perspective, there

471
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.799
are things that mimic. Right. So let's say you're habituating

472
00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.640
and I'm just looking for bigfoot, right, That's what I'm doing,

473
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:05.240
But there's other things that will take advantage of that.

474
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:09.599
Negative entities maybe look like them, act like them, sound

475
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.480
like them. So you start habituating with them, and you're

476
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.240
okay with this building this interaction, and then they attached

477
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.240
to you. And then when that happens, you start talking

478
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.400
these crazy things. And you've noticed it with a lot

479
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.519
of people online. They start talking these crazy outlantish things

480
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:30.160
or they're seeing things that aren't even there. So I

481
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.680
that put a kebash on me for a little while.

482
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.119
I was just like, okay, let me get my mind

483
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:37.559
right after all this happened.

484
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:45.160
But it happened, my goodness. It's that is so so intense,

485
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.559
and I think you explained it in a good way

486
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.559
where you know, you go out into these areas, sometimes

487
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.960
it opens you up to other things. As you said,

488
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:01.279
so what what how'd you go back into the field

489
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.240
after those years that you were away.

490
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.759
Well, I've got a lot of friends, right, Like they're

491
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:11.240
a friend of mine that I actually helped get started.

492
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.680
Was Chris Reinhardt and a friend and Mike Ann and

493
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:16.559
a bunch of other guys that I'm friends with that

494
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.519
they're like, dude, like, you're good at this. You know

495
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:23.279
what you're doing, Like you're one of the people that

496
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.079
I think can find them and prove this or show this.

497
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.119
And it's just kind of led like baby steps back

498
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:33.160
into it. Like you know, it took me a long

499
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.960
time even when I first got into this too, like

500
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.559
when I seen him, Like I took a hiatus from

501
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.759
hunting because I didn't I didn't want to go in

502
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:44.680
in the dark, like I knew they were real. Now

503
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.119
like but now, I mean, I'm at the point where

504
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.720
it is what it is. I've taken the baby steps.

505
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.160
I've come back in and you know, I'm gonna start

506
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.680
doing more and more and more. And I've captured a

507
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.920
lot of good evidence over the years, the pictures, the audio,

508
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.240
the video there. There's just a lot of things that

509
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:08.400
we were able to capture and do just by applying

510
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.359
common sense. And to me it seems like common sense,

511
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:16.119
but maybe to the normal person it's not. So yeah,

512
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.759
we kind of learned them. We kind of used everything

513
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.480
against them. So like if we got into some of

514
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:25.279
the photos, like I can kind of tell you like

515
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:26.039
a backstory.

516
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.240
Absolutely, absolutely, I think that's a it's a good time

517
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.720
to get into that. Is there a certain photo that

518
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:34.920
you would want.

519
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.599
To Yes, it's the one with the side view of

520
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.799
the cam, the bright green one or the one above it.

521
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.359
They go down, go down, yep, go down, the bright

522
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.559
green one or the one above it. Well, yeah, that's

523
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:53.920
the original. So this is to me the same what

524
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.440
I seen as a juvenile. This is what it looked like. Okay,

525
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:59.880
the head, So if you're looking at this, this would

526
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:03.480
be a side view. The camera obviously is facing away

527
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.680
from it. The camera is facing where we are habituating.

528
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:10.799
There's a kettle over there with certain things in it.

529
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.000
And we were learning that they were coming from the

530
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.079
southeast corner, heading in the direction that you see there's

531
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.440
a trail down there, and they kept coming from this

532
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.599
one corner and they would come diagonal straight down to

533
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.079
that kettle and get what we had and they would

534
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:31.119
go back. What I learned is you cannot put the

535
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:34.440
cameras facing the direction they're coming from. So what I

536
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.119
did is I hid them at a two foot level

537
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.920
facing the direction they were going. And what happened is

538
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.200
this one I believe, which was on all fours, is

539
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.200
looking at the kettle, and what you're seeing is a

540
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.200
side view. You can see like the chimp side like this.

541
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.160
It would be it's brow, it's its forehead, it's brow,

542
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.079
and then like a chimp cheek down on the bottom

543
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.960
and it's looking toward the kettle. So I was able

544
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.160
to catch that. You can see hair, And what I

545
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.279
did is I highlighted it in the other one and

546
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.759
I changed the color background only so you can see

547
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:10.559
the discrepancies where there's a little different color in the eyebrow,

548
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.519
so you can see. You know, it wasn't a bear.

549
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:16.599
It didn't have a snout and things like that. You know,

550
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.599
bear don't have like a forehead or hair like that.

551
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.079
But yeah, that's how we ended up capturing. That was

552
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.039
the habituation. But that's the type of individual that I

553
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.920
seen in the very beginning. I have the original photo

554
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:37.839
which was taken probably sixty feet away or something, and

555
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.680
we didn't really realize it at the time, but you're

556
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.359
able to see that face in there. That's a large

557
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.240
tree that it's like there's like this whole massive trees

558
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.240
that are down and it kind of looks like it's

559
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.400
backed up in there and hidden. You can it's like

560
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:51.960
it was.

561
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:52.880
It looked like it was.

562
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.359
It looked like it was sleeping. So the eyes are closed.

563
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.640
You can see the red dot on the nose. You

564
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:03.279
can see like the lip like if if you know, yeah,

565
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.119
there's a nose, mouth, the two eyes. It's a conical

566
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:10.279
shaped head, and it was it was in that tree

567
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.559
set and it was like frozen in there, and my

568
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:16.160
buddy had like seen like movement. But then we took

569
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.359
Cault pictures and then we tried to head that way

570
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.839
and there was we couldn't see it, like it was

571
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.960
just gone, like it was weird. But it's the same

572
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:31.400
kind of rounded, young shape head that you just witnessed.

573
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.839
So and that was only a mile away. That was

574
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.720
where we had our second encounter. So we were bouncing

575
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.000
back and forth on this hill between these areas and

576
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:45.599
getting all these different types of encounters. So yeah, but

577
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.559
it's also you know, capturing this is good to show

578
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.279
people like, hey, I'm not just pulling your chain, I'm

579
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.240
not just yanking your you know, giving you some stories.

580
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.839
I'm backing it up with what I have. You know

581
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:57.279
what I mean.

582
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.519
So when you when you say habituation, usually when I

583
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.680
think about that, it's something where it's going on on

584
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.359
your home property, or is that you're just kind of

585
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:16.440
focusing on an area, and can you maybe explain a

586
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:21.319
little bit about why it would be considered a habituation.

587
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:26.160
So habituation. What we did is we made this a schedule.

588
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.359
We called it your regularly scheduled program. Right. We would

589
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.480
go to this spot five days a week at six pm,

590
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:39.119
five days a week for six months, the whole Yeah,

591
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:43.000
we were there from April to October. It was our

592
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.200
It was one of our biggest things to do five

593
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.480
days a week at six pm. We wanted them to

594
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:51.519
know that they could say, oh, they're there, Oh they're there.

595
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.200
We wanted to just create this loop to where they

596
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:57.039
got comfortable where they're there we know, at same time,

597
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:01.039
same place, same frame. Everything. We built the rapport with them,

598
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.200
and everybody that does that seems to have good luck.

599
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.720
So we habituated over and over and over. We started

600
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.000
giving them certain things I don't want to say because

601
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.279
I don't want people to go and do it. But

602
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.440
we found out that they were really interested in eating them.

603
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.920
And it worked because we were able to get the photos.

604
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.240
I mean, there was times where we were loading the kettles,

605
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:26.599
taking things for samples or whatever we were doing, and

606
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.000
at the same time, like we're hearing them yell and

607
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.519
scream and break branches and you know, do all kinds

608
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.799
of stuff to where we would back out and leave.

609
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:40.440
And yeah, but but it's been an interesting road to

610
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:44.160
be able to talk about this now. I mean, we

611
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.559
could talk about the other photo that's one of the

612
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:52.599
more recent ones, the one above it. So, yeah, that's

613
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.359
the one you have to zoom into. You can see

614
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.960
the grave kind of figure back there. I think I

615
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.839
had it highlighted in the other photo, but if you

616
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.680
really look at that, just to the left of that tree,

617
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.480
there's like a gray felt like a gray small being.

618
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.239
It almost looks like a little monkey.

619
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:10.079
Gotcha.

620
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.719
We call this the green room. This is where I

621
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.559
captured the audio that we do have. We have a

622
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.559
we have a five minute audio clip that we caught

623
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:27.199
of what we believe is a whole family unit screaming, yelling,

624
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:34.280
doing things, breaking branches, huffing, and potentially attacking a deer.

625
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.039
I'm not sure. We can't really tell what's happening, but

626
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.039
you can hear it in the whole five minute clip

627
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.920
that's on our SoundCloud. That's Ryan reading. Check that out.

628
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:48.039
But he does have So this game camera was where

629
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:52.079
we understood they had a diagonal pattern path left to right,

630
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.920
coming across and right next to that tree is where

631
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.559
I had the had the audio recorder. So now you

632
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.880
can see it's a little blurry, but you can completely

633
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.679
see that there's something there that looks like it has

634
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.719
a tail. Even if you really look at it, it

635
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.960
almost looks like it's a monkey, which is really odd.

636
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.079
And it's this gray color that does not branch in

637
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.039
with the rest of the surroundings. The tree is tanned.

638
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.559
Everything is brown that is more like a grayish brown.

639
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.119
And I do have original photos. Obviously I didn't share

640
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.599
them with you, but I have the original photos that

641
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.519
show that there's nothing there and then that is there.

642
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:40.800
Wow, Okay, I'm gonna show this one. Really it's I mean,

643
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:43.840
there's definitely a figure there and it does not look

644
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.280
like a bear or anything else that would be in

645
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:47.800
those woods in my opinion.

646
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.239
And as you look, it almost looks like it's looking

647
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.800
at the camera. It almost you can see the discoloration

648
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.800
in the face where it would be turned toward the camera,

649
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:01.960
like I seen it type of thing. It is blurry.

650
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:07.519
I mean that probably was at eighty feet from the camera,

651
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.559
and mostly they pick up at about ninety feet, so

652
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.360
you know you're talking. It's zoomed in a little bit.

653
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.920
But and I had the camera hidden pretty I thought so.

654
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:20.960
And people think you can't catch them on camera. You can,

655
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.559
but you have to understand their patterns, their pathways, movements,

656
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.119
where they're going from A to B because they don't

657
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.039
veer far from it. If you find them what I

658
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.960
call like a migration route, and I use maps. I've

659
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.039
done this. I've created a Google map of all the sightings,

660
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.719
but just for New York. But I focus on their

661
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.320
migration paths. How they get for point A to point B.

662
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.400
How are they getting from this large block of timber

663
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.159
to this large block of timber nine miles away whatever

664
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.400
it is, and then I find everything in between. And

665
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.679
when I find the bottlenecks or bottlenecks in the timber

666
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.679
that i've I've learned they use, that's them are the

667
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:04.239
areas I super focus on. And then it becomes time

668
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.639
and then it's like put out cameras, put out recorders,

669
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.880
do everything, and then eventually and that's why people are like, wow,

670
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.760
you've had like six or seven sightings, which is astronomical.

671
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.679
But it's I it's not like I wanted to I was.

672
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.360
I really just wanted to prove it in the beginning.

673
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.199
But then now I'm you know, I'm one of the

674
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.880
very few that I've been able to catch them on video,

675
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.840
able to replicate the trail camera photos. You know, everybody

676
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.760
says you can't get on my trail camera. I have,

677
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.199
I've been, and here's multiple instances.

678
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.800
So I think you just said something really important and

679
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.039
I want to see if you can I don't want

680
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.480
listeners to skip by it where you said so pretty

681
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.079
much if you can break it down. So when you

682
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.360
say you find the bottlenecks or are you are you

683
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.239
saying you find the areas where it's easier for them

684
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.000
to travel through that's surrounded by things that would be

685
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.079
not easy to travel through, or what do you exactly

686
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:03.039
mean by that?

687
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.280
So I'm looking at areas that they're forced to travel through.

688
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.559
So let's say I have a block of timber on

689
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:10.599
one side and another block of timber on the other,

690
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.800
and they have to travel creek ways or let's say this.

691
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.280
They're not going to walk out in the middle of

692
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.719
open fields. Most of the time, they'll travel the edge

693
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.880
of timber strips to like one of the biggest things

694
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.719
I do too, is where can they cross roads? They

695
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.239
don't just willy nilly cross roads. That's why you have

696
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:32.679
sightings over and over in certain areas because their bottlenecked

697
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:36.679
down into that region where they have to cross highways. Right,

698
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.360
So there might be a strip of timber that's one

699
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.440
hundred yards wide and another strip, like let's say there's

700
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.920
cornfields on both sides. They have to travel that to

701
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.519
stay covered. They have to get into those woods or

702
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.519
those timber edges to go across that road to that

703
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.960
other section. That's why you're getting sighting reports all over

704
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.599
the country in the same areas. A lot of times,

705
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.599
it's because they know that that area or they're forced

706
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.039
through that area. Like one of my regions is in Sinclairville,

707
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.199
New York. Right, I'm not going to say where, but

708
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.239
we have four regions that kind of come hill systems

709
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.639
that come into one area, you know, that come from

710
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.599
Lake Chautauqua, that come from Bradford, PA, that come you know,

711
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.800
from the foothills of the mountains, and it kind of

712
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:30.679
all empties out into my into the Charlotte, Sinclairville arkright, Casadega,

713
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.760
this whole area where we started searching. So once we

714
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:37.159
found that, we said, okay, we got a bottlenecket down, down, down,

715
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.159
until we found the area that they were in, this

716
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.119
seven hundred acres and they were kind of just living

717
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.599
in this seven hundred acres, moving around, moving around, and

718
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.679
they did that like all summer while we chase them around,

719
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.400
and then they would branch off and go other places.

720
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.119
And we learned, like, okay, this is how they move.

721
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.559
So now when I wanted to explore another big area,

722
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.559
Let's say I'm driving down the road, I would look

723
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.400
for these certain timber breaks, certain areas where they would

724
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.519
cross the roads. Then I would go in the timber

725
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.719
and I'd look and I'd say, are there any structures

726
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.159
through this woods like people want to relate the structures

727
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.760
to them. Okay, so let's do that. Did I see

728
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.880
any structures within the first couple hundred yards being in

729
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.440
the woods, Yes, Okay, then I knew at some point

730
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:23.920
they were coming through here. No mark it off the list.

731
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.800
So I was I was deleting certain areas, and then

732
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.159
finally I'd get to a trail and I'd say, wow, there,

733
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.039
look at that, or my buddy would say, oh, there's

734
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.480
a structure, or oh look at that structure. Oh wow.

735
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.039
That's so we were using the roadways in these timber

736
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:46.280
strips to find plausible, repeatable areas, right, That's how we

737
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.239
started finding these. We call them bottlenecks. It's it's in deer.

738
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.519
In deer hunting, we call them funnels. It's where deer

739
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:58.239
funnel through or they're forced through by the terrain. And

740
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.559
because because these these they're smarter than deer, deer deer

741
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.239
kind of just roam around do whatever. These things know

742
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.039
they have to get from point A to point B securely.

743
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.480
Right there. That's their survival, is their whole m O.

744
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:19.519
When you start thinking like them and putting yourself into

745
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.400
their shoes, you can find them and it just takes

746
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:24.280
a matter of time.

747
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.159
I've heard that from a few other people too in

748
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:34.280
conversations I've had survival and food. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man.

749
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.760
I want to make sure we get through the rest

750
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.719
of these photos of Brian because there are some really

751
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:41.719
wild ones to come here. Is there a certain one

752
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:42.599
you would like to talk about?

753
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.639
No, go ahead, whatever one you click, I'll just talk

754
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:49.800
about what we got here. So that was a game

755
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.400
capture photo not too far from that first chimp photo,

756
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.880
the side view during the habituation. But when you look

757
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.559
at the hair, it doesn't follow suit with a bear.

758
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:04.039
This what this camera was actually about four and a

759
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.519
half feet off the ground. What I used to do,

760
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.400
I used to call it the horseshoe method. So I

761
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:15.039
knew they were coming from the southeast or southwest, and

762
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.599
what they could do is see the cameras right. So

763
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.760
I would create this horseshoe all the way out, like

764
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:25.199
a couple hundred yards of cameras, and eventually they would

765
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.840
know that they were there somehow, and I don't know how.

766
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.800
So they would use this alley and they would continually

767
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.159
force themselves through this alley. You would find their footprints

768
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.639
moving back and forth. You know, I have probably nine

769
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:41.639
or ten casts downstairs, and we just use this horseshoe method.

770
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.079
They wouldn't go toward the cameras. They would stay, you know,

771
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.440
so out at one hundred yards and I knew this alley,

772
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.719
so then I would hide these cameras and this is

773
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.079
what it would capture at four and a half feet

774
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:56.199
whatever that would be. That's not a bear back. It's

775
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.800
just the hair. The that's more like a fur that

776
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.320
doesn't it doesn't follow suit with too many animals.

777
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.280
That's that is wild stuff. We've got I think a

778
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.599
few in the same segment up here. Maybe.

779
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:12.679
So if you this was a trail camera and a

780
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.760
creek system crossing a road that that is one hundred

781
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.239
yards off the road, right. So when you look at

782
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.880
this photo, there's a couple I sent you because I

783
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.119
think I sent you one that doesn't have anything in

784
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.840
the photo. But let's look at this if I think

785
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.320
this is the one right here, if you zoom in, yeah,

786
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.840
just to the can you zoom in farther? Ye, see

787
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.519
that face right there to the left.

788
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.920
I was looking at that before the zoom and I

789
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.199
was like, he's gonna say right.

790
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.199
There, Yeah, So that was as it came across the road.

791
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.920
But if you look to the left, lower by them

792
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.679
two leafs, there's a white one that's the right. There

793
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.239
you see that white Yeah, there's an eyeball and it's

794
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.320
looking between the trees, and they're both looking at the camera.

795
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.280
They're both looking and you can see the leg on

796
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.599
the black one almost as it's taking a stride. Sure,

797
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.719
so it's coming from the left. They're going to the right,

798
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.079
and I think if you click a couple more, there's

799
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.480
four of them there, you'll see one that doesn't that's

800
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.280
closer to Yeah, you can see the eyes, you can

801
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:18.400
see the you know that, you can just see the definitive.

802
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:20.559
You can almost see in the white one, the head,

803
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.039
the structure, the nose.

804
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:24.880
That's wild, dude.

805
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.559
It stands out from the from the brown trees. It's

806
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.840
not like it's Yeah, but I don't know if I

807
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:35.960
sent you the original, but the original is because I

808
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.360
didn't know how many we could go through. But the

809
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.480
original does not have anything. I have like a whole

810
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.920
sequence of them where the original shows nothing right. And

811
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.199
I want the I want your audience to understand that

812
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.840
that it's not just some technical blur out there like, oh,

813
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:50.519
it's you.

814
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:55.000
Know, yeah, right, we've got I think this is probably

815
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:56.639
the original because it zoomed out.

816
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.159
That is, we were in a valley, or we we're

817
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.320
on the top that isn't a valley and we happen

818
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:06.199
to be I don't know, that's fully zoomed in, right,

819
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.039
So that was probably We've seen this probably close to

820
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.559
one hundred yards maybe away, and we could see this

821
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.360
like black thing in the tree. So my buddy zoomed in.

822
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.079
He's like, dude, that's not normal, Like what is that? Well,

823
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.599
you can show the zoomed in closer one and as

824
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.960
we got closer, it jumped. It jumped out of the

825
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.280
tree and you could hear crashing through the woods. But

826
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.159
we couldn't fully see it. But as you look at it,

827
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:36.880
you can see again the same type of face next

828
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:40.480
to the tree, that chimp rounded type face. It looks

829
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:42.320
like the arm is around the back of the tree.

830
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.800
It looks like the legs are hanging down. You could

831
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.679
see the left arm. It looks like the left arm

832
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:50.199
might be up on the tree or something like that.

833
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.360
Same lanky figure, you know, same type of that's like

834
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.840
what I seen in my first encounter that skinny, lanky

835
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.119
thing and we're just lucky to get the photos of them.

836
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.559
And this isn't a tree. This ain't on the ground,

837
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.880
This isn't like we're you know, this isn't a tree

838
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.079
that's high up. I couldn't even guess if you look

839
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.800
back at the original, I mean, you're probably from because

840
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.519
if we were on a high ridge, that's probably twenty

841
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.440
five feet in a tree at least if you look

842
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.199
at the base of the tree going up, because this

843
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.639
we're we're at the top of a hill and it's

844
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:28.039
going down. So we were way up and when we

845
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.079
seen it, you know, and then we took the picture.

846
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.159
But then as we started coming down that hill, it

847
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.440
jumped toward the back and you could hear the crash,

848
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.039
and my buddy John was like, what was that? And

849
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.239
it took off down through and it was gone.

850
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.360
Wild wild stuff. Any any idea of how big whatever,

851
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:48.159
what's in that tree, how big it might be?

852
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:54.079
So my same thing around the five foot, yeah, size

853
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.360
about the five foot size. And I actually had a

854
00:46:56.360 --> 00:47:01.719
couple of people use this in their own measurements. Somehow

855
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.280
they do something with data and stuff, and it came

856
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:08.280
out around fifty six to fifty eight inches. But that

857
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:10.320
was what I seen. That was what we You know,

858
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:11.800
when you see it with your eyes, you can kind

859
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:12.280
of gauge it.

860
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.599
Yeah, definitely, definitely, let's let's keep moving. I think this

861
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:18.480
one's a new one. Yeah, yep.

862
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:20.639
So I don't know if I sent you another one.

863
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.840
This is actually on video. So we were coming out

864
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.559
of an area called Rolling Hills. Yeah, there's the second

865
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.599
one to it right there in a one so okay. Yeah,

866
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.440
So we actually seen like four or five individuals take

867
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.480
off running. We were coming up out of the creek

868
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.639
bed heading toward the road, toward the truck, and on

869
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.800
our left side, I kind of panned this way and

870
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.880
I'm talking and looking with the with the panasonic cam

871
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.280
and doing that type of thing as we're coming out

872
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.199
and you can see them running. They were like in

873
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:51.400
the video, there was a couple of them running through

874
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.159
And this is one that I caught. So, and I'll

875
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:55.920
show you what I mean by that. When you look

876
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.000
at this, it's going away from us. You can see

877
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.920
like the head, the high shoulders, what you would call

878
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.400
the legs. Right, it's going over a log. So if

879
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.239
you go to the photo that has like a triple

880
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:11.679
in it. It's there's oh yeah, right here, yeah that one. Okay,

881
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.960
if you really now, take a look at this, look

882
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.440
at the hips in each one. We showed movement is

883
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.519
what we were showing. The hips are tight in the

884
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.840
top one, they're fatter in the middle, and they're even

885
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.440
fatter at the bottom as it was getting up from sitting,

886
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.119
so as it went to get up and go and

887
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.639
take off, you're able to see the different shapes in

888
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.760
the hips.

889
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.639
So so you have you have this in video form.

890
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.840
You're saying this, I do, yes, it's actually this one's

891
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:41.760
actually on YouTube. I have to find the video. I

892
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.760
think it's rolling hills, okay something, yes, but it's there.

893
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.519
Some of mine are are private. If I do need

894
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.360
the video, I can share it with you or somebody else.

895
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.800
But we have this was on video and we snipped

896
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.880
it for three different sections where you could see the

897
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.800
movement as it got up. People would say, well, it

898
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.039
looks like a blur, Well, bear hips don't look like that.

899
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.280
They don't. They don't have a waist. You can see

900
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.000
the like the waist in the top one.

901
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.440
No, I mean I would. Yeah, I'm going to try

902
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.639
to track that down because it would be great to

903
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.719
have it in the links for the episode so people

904
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.639
can watch it for themselves. If it's a public video.

905
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.760
Yeah, I would definitely track that down and I will

906
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:23.159
get it too.

907
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:28.280
Let me write that down absolutely. Uh right, let's see,

908
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:34.519
I'm saving one for last because sure it. Oh okay,

909
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.239
I don't think we talked about this one, but man,

910
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:37.119
my goodness, look at that.

911
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.440
So it was me, John and Troy and Dan, and

912
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.000
what had happened is we were walking. We were deep,

913
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.440
we were deep in it, like we were in the woods,

914
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.679
and I kind of I came out near the trail

915
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:55.920
with my buddy John and he kind of swung around,

916
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.159
and the other two guys we kind of tried to

917
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.039
do like a little push but not a push, just

918
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:05.920
to see where we could triangulate them into. And when

919
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.199
it happened is my buddy Dan thought he saw like

920
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.800
a turkey come from behind the tree, and I was like, no,

921
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.679
that wasn't a turkey like and they took pictures, but

922
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.400
it was at a distance, and what you can see

923
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.800
is it was it. Here's the crazy part. Everybody looks

924
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.960
for these things to be nine feet tall seven feet tall.

925
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.360
The majority of the time that I've captured them. They

926
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.639
seem to be smaller and on the ground or like

927
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.239
in a gorilla format, like like the big one that

928
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.360
I seen, like the you know, most of them are

929
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.639
either standing or the only one to I mean, I

930
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.159
don't know anybody else that's really captured them in a tree,

931
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.920
except there's a couple of footages that, you know, because

932
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:50.119
that sets it apart from many things, from hoaxing from

933
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.880
you know, you're twenty five feet in a tree. It's different.

934
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.239
It's it's there's just a bunch of stuff. But you

935
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:58.599
can see this, This has of nos, this has lips,

936
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:03.519
this has a large, larger forehead. But you get. The

937
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.320
problem is people don't understand distortion. I try to talk

938
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:09.280
people through that. Like when you're at a distance and

939
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:12.039
you've got a camera zoomed in and I take a picture,

940
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:13.840
and then I'm trying to zoom in even more to

941
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:18.199
show people what we're witnessing. It's it, you get the pixelation.

942
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:21.440
Nothing is perfect, you know, I think everybody just kind

943
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.719
of wants it like right there, you know. But I'm

944
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.679
doing the best that we could do, you know, and

945
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:29.880
I'm and I'm certain we have some of the best

946
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.039
evidence that's out there.

947
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.320
I think it's I think it's some of the best

948
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.400
that has flown under the radar because people are not

949
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.199
aware of this. I mean, there's just photo at the

950
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.000
end that I think is just gonna I mean, on

951
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.719
top of everything else that we've seen so far, it's

952
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.400
just gonna blow people away. I think we haven't talked

953
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:53.840
about this one though, yet.

954
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.800
Right, So this one actually I don't know. It's weird

955
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.599
because they're shaped differently. This one kind of looks like

956
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.119
it's got a weird face on it, right, and it

957
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:04.960
looks like it's got a branch in its mouth, like

958
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:09.000
it's eating leaves. So as we left what we call

959
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.480
the green room, you come out and you would hit

960
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.960
this trail and then it bears straight downhill and then

961
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.280
it breaks back to the right. Well, on the other

962
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:20.639
side there's a ridge all like a huge valley goes

963
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.480
down like one hundred feet and it comes back up

964
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.920
and on the other side there's all these pines and stuff.

965
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:28.679
So as we came down and over to the thing,

966
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:31.679
I was like, what is that over there? Like again,

967
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.519
it's like they keep the same distance that one hundred

968
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:39.280
and fifty yard distance, like they watched from a distance

969
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.320
or like two maybe you know, zoomed in and that's

970
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.159
what it was. And then all you could see was

971
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.719
like the leaves move and it turned around and went

972
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.559
the other way, like you could just see that little

973
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:51.280
flicker of movement right like kind of like I shared

974
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.119
in the video with you of what we had where

975
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.639
it turns around the leaves, that's what they're synonymous for.

976
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.840
But you can see in this the leg, the body,

977
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:03.559
the face of it, like even where the hair on

978
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:06.679
the top kind of meets like it's distorted face and

979
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.480
it looks like it has a branch in its mouth.

980
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.920
To me, I can't say that, but that's what it

981
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:16.760
looks like. It almost looks like you can see it's

982
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:24.079
you know, privates can't tell, but yeah, I mean, and

983
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.440
like I said, they're all jet black again, this one

984
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.519
is kind of squatting down like it's it's just a weird.

985
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.119
I don't know, they don't all look the same.

986
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:38.840
How big would you estimate that this? Yeah?

987
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:46.800
Mmm, I'm gonna say this one touches the six and

988
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:51.679
a half, Yeah, six and a half seven based on

989
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.880
I'm trying to remember looking and if I had the

990
00:53:54.960 --> 00:54:00.199
look across that ridge and that's squatting right there. So

991
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:03.880
I'm gonna say, in it's squatting position, that's all of

992
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:09.119
four and a half in a squatty because if you

993
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:10.840
back out, if you look at the tree next to it,

994
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.480
you're gonna look at three shoe sizes up that tree

995
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.719
twelve twelve twelve, that's about four and a half and

996
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:23.280
it's kneeling position maybe five because you're using the tree

997
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:24.599
as reference right next to it.

998
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:28.119
Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.

999
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.159
So if I'm using that tree and I got four

1000
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:33.800
of my gym shoes, let's say twelve inch, you're about

1001
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.239
four feet close to four feet right there, So in

1002
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:41.440
its squatting position, four feet, which if it stands up,

1003
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.320
you're gonna be six and a half seven.

1004
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:50.920
Yeah, oh my goodness. Okay, So we saved this one

1005
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.360
for last, which.

1006
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.239
A lot of people say, it's fake, it's bs, it's this,

1007
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.840
it's that, it's I don't care, I don't I don't

1008
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:01.679
have time for that.

1009
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:05.599
Like exactly, so, so run us through what's going on here,

1010
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:07.800
because this is probably one of the wildest things that

1011
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.760
I've seen in seven years, to be honest.

1012
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.199
That was that that is zoomed in that's probably at

1013
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:20.519
about fire call, maybe seventy yards ish, maybe eighty. So

1014
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.079
we were coming through the same thing by what we

1015
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.880
call the green room. But there's another trail that goes

1016
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.159
up to the side of it and we're kind of

1017
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.079
coming down it and there's this really tall grass. There's like,

1018
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.960
I mean it's it's eight feet tall, right, so you

1019
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.159
kind of come down around it, and as you look

1020
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:41.239
down at the bottom, that's what we see. My buddy

1021
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:43.960
whipped up the camp. John he passed away also, he's

1022
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:45.840
another one who lost a friend of mine, John Christopher

1023
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.719
best Run. He whips up the camera and he takes

1024
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:51.920
he gets the photo of it, and what it's doing

1025
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.880
is actually going downhill. So I mean, we couldn't catch it.

1026
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.280
We couldn't find it after that, but we've seen it move,

1027
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.760
we've seen it go like he's like, dude, there's and

1028
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:02.960
he took the picture, and he took the picture. It

1029
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:08.079
goes downhill like it goes right. There's a valley right beyond.

1030
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.119
It's kind of actually looking in the valley that direction.

1031
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.480
That's the direction that it goes straight down. And people

1032
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.519
are like, oh, it's this or it's that, and you

1033
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.599
can clearly tell it's not a gorilla. It's not anything

1034
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:21.679
that like. And people want to call it faker. I

1035
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:23.760
know where this came. No, you don't, because we took

1036
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.719
We took it. We did it nobody else, you know.

1037
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.119
So I don't have to argue because I've showed it

1038
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.360
to a couple people and they want to be like this,

1039
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:33.920
that and the third about the photo. I'm like, listen,

1040
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.159
I don't care what you think. I don't. You can

1041
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.199
try to disprove it all you want. This is what

1042
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:44.880
it is. We took the photo. You know. So I've

1043
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.719
seen him, I've learned about him, I've got him on video,

1044
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.360
I've I've taken pictures of them, and the same thing.

1045
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:55.440
When you look at it, the face looks the same way.

1046
00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:01.480
From the side. It's got the the the the eyebridge,

1047
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.440
the brow ridge. You can kind of see it's not

1048
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.280
a chimp, it's not a gorilla. It's like that middle

1049
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.599
of the road. And they all look the same. So

1050
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:15.840
even so, I mean, even my mousepad I did. I

1051
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:19.599
took that side view and made it my mousepad. That's

1052
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:22.719
how legitimate I you know, So when you look at

1053
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.800
that side view, like they all look the same, so

1054
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.800
people could say, well, it could be this or it

1055
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.360
could be that. Well, when I'm replicating that multiple times

1056
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:39.320
and all these bigfoot look the same way, then what

1057
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.400
because that's one thing people have said over all these years,

1058
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:45.559
you can't replicate it. Well, I've done it, and I

1059
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:48.760
have the photos to show it. I have the audio

1060
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.360
to prove it, like I have the video of one

1061
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:55.920
running away, Like you know, it's just it was just

1062
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:03.559
it's intense. It's been in years of craziness.

1063
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:09.639
I like, you can see the head shape right there.

1064
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:11.840
I mean, you can see so much detail in this

1065
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.039
photo about the shape of the head. It is just

1066
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:18.119
one of the wildest things that I've seen in my

1067
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:20.960
ears of talking to people. And I feel like no

1068
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:24.719
one really knows about this photo, and it should be

1069
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:25.599
more well known.

1070
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.480
It's kind of because I disappeared for a while.

1071
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:29.239
Right exactly.

1072
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.000
Yeah, and and then I came back and like I

1073
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:33.599
kind of sat and everything, and I was going to

1074
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:38.639
do a documentary. I've I've shared information in a documentary. Huh,

1075
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:44.400
what was it the last four Yeah? It Man Beach

1076
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:45.320
the Western New York.

1077
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:47.360
Yes, that's the one. I'll have that one too.

1078
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:49.679
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a couple of the other

1079
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.079
ones were with Bob Gimlin, a couple other guys, and

1080
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.280
I've seen Bigfoot. There was a there's many of them.

1081
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.559
But I was doing the real research. You know, there's

1082
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.400
a lot of people that go out and camp and

1083
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.719
they like the excitement, and you know, they weren't putting

1084
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.119
recorders out letting them run for five days a week listening.

1085
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:12.239
I mean, it became a job. It really did like

1086
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.280
and now I want to have fun with it, like

1087
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.800
I've learned. I know they're real. I have some of

1088
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:19.880
the evidence. People are gonna say, well it's this, or

1089
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.800
well it's that. I don't know what to tell you,

1090
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.760
Like I don't. I'm not gaining anything off of this.

1091
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:30.280
I'm a public figure here, I'm an author, I run

1092
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.039
multiple businesses. If anything something like this could affect me negatively, right,

1093
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:37.079
So at the end of the day, I'm just kind

1094
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.320
of putting it out there like this is And it

1095
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.719
wasn't just me, Like, we had a whole group of

1096
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:45.639
guys doing this. And you know, a good friend of mine, Mike,

1097
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:48.079
and he had come down and he was like, man,

1098
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.920
you got some stuff going on, And we ended up

1099
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.400
just sitting in a parking lot one night at an

1100
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.239
area and we had rocks thrown at the truck and

1101
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.840
he was like, dude, I can't believe it. Like he

1102
00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:59.760
was like, I just can't believe it, like the things

1103
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.480
that a going on up here, and it was really

1104
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:04.719
hot for a while. I'll tell you, like from from

1105
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.119
my first sighting was about twenty twelve, though right around

1106
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:14.840
twenty twelve, but twenty sixteen, in twenty seventeen seem to

1107
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.599
be the years for some reason that they were like

1108
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:21.880
they just lived over there, and it was like yeah,

1109
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.440
And the more we habituated and spent time, I mean

1110
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.880
every day, like when you're leaving work and you're going

1111
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:32.480
in the woods every day, every day, every day, it's probabilities. Eventually,

1112
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:34.480
if I know where they're coming through and I have

1113
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:38.039
set the probabilities, the more I'm there, the chances are better.

1114
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.079
And it was hard, Like I said, it was every day,

1115
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:41.800
five days a week for six months.

1116
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:45.519
It's that's so intense, and hats off to you for

1117
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.960
doing that. That that is dedication. I want to make

1118
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.280
sure that we are able to play this audio real quick.

1119
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.199
Sure is there anything that you want us want to say?

1120
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:56.079
Before we hear it.

1121
01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:59.239
So I wish, I hope you can listen to the

1122
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:04.320
whole five one on my SoundCloud. But what happens is

1123
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.440
something comes into the area. You can you can hear

1124
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.320
the birds, and then you hear screaming and branch breaking,

1125
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.280
and then you hear all these huffs and all these

1126
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.719
other things that transpire. And then toward the end you

1127
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:19.239
hear this little clip, and this little clip is this screaming.

1128
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:24.039
But when you listen to the full five minutes in context,

1129
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:26.559
you can understand the difference between the crows and the

1130
01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:30.079
screaming because they're at different levels and different peaks. And

1131
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.599
then toward the end of this, in my mind, what

1132
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:38.360
I hear is some type of larger person male not person,

1133
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:41.239
because I thought it was like a family unit, and

1134
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:43.400
this is I'll tell you what I think what it was.

1135
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.119
I think the youngsters were coming in. They were hunting

1136
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:50.519
a deer and they were screaming, Ah, I'm doing all

1137
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.920
this screaming. You can hear the branch breaking, and then

1138
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.639
in the five minute clip, you hear this what sounds

1139
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:58.559
like a deer getting tackled. You hear wham, You hear

1140
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.320
the exhalation of what sounds to be a deer, and

1141
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.760
it almost seemed like they're killing it, taking the air

1142
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:08.360
out of the deer. And then you hear the young

1143
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.119
one start screaming again like yeah, I did it, Like like,

1144
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:13.559
that's this is the whole vision that I got as

1145
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:17.480
I listened to this thirty five times. And then it's

1146
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.559
it's yelling so much and so loud. It seems like

1147
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:25.639
the parent comes along and says ah ah. And to me,

1148
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:28.519
at the end, it sounds like it tells him to

1149
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:32.760
go lay down. You hear like gola da, And that's

1150
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:36.039
what it sounds like this in that clip. And then

1151
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.400
that young one takes off and he stops making noise.

1152
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.840
So it's really weird. But this was a whole five

1153
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:43.440
minute clip, and all you're going to hear is about

1154
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.239
thirteen seconds of the end of it where the large

1155
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:49.440
one sort of sounds like he says, go lay down,

1156
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.559
like uh uh ah. You can hear it in the

1157
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:55.800
and it's not replicable as a person and it's not

1158
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.320
a bear, so you can tell the sound of it,

1159
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:01.039
like I play it a couple of times.

1160
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.079
All right, let's check we'll check it out a few times.

1161
01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:12.280
Here you can here go ah ah, and then it

1162
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:13.239
sounds like go I down.

1163
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:19.320
It's definitely not I would say, I'm I'm definitely agreeing

1164
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:21.440
that it is not a crow at the end.

1165
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:37.159
So now if you have that whole five minute aspect,

1166
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:42.519
you can hear the branches breaking, snapping broad like huge branches.

1167
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.039
You can hear this, you can hear the exhalation of

1168
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.400
the deer. I just don't have a full five minutes

1169
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:49.360
to sit here and play it for you so you

1170
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:51.800
can understand it. This is just the end of the clip.

1171
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:56.280
This was caught on this Sony recorder right here. Okay, cool,

1172
01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.239
regular Sony. Those are some of the ones that I

1173
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.599
use because they run the longest five days straight.

1174
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:07.840
Links for the SoundCloud to listen to the five minutes

1175
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.159
will be in the description of the episode as well. Guys,

1176
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.039
so in our in our last few minutes together, I

1177
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.559
did have one last question for you. Do you ever

1178
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:24.679
use like a try field meter when you're out there

1179
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:29.400
to monitor for radiation or spikes or anything like that.

1180
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.119
I've used EMF, A couple of my friends have used

1181
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:39.599
try fields. I never had. I believe that. Let me

1182
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:41.159
just tell you some of my belief real quick. I

1183
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.079
believe that these things are sort of flesh and blood,

1184
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:50.199
but they have some type of ability and to do

1185
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:56.880
things right that we don't understand, plain and simple. As

1186
01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:01.480
far as the paranormal, I don't like to link the

1187
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.760
two together, but I've witnessed things that I can't explain

1188
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:09.760
or understand. So I kind of just have to go

1189
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.840
into the research now as I've been like, Okay, let's

1190
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.519
see what happens, because I don't know if paranormal things

1191
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:18.760
are gonna happen. I don't know if bigfoot things are

1192
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.159
gonna happen. I have no idea because I've ran the

1193
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:25.719
whole gamut. So it's like, where do I go from here? Too?

1194
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:29.079
I don't know. Like I'm gonna try to get better video,

1195
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:31.480
I'm gonna try to get better photos. It's not easy.

1196
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:34.840
And when you start sharing a lot of these things,

1197
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.400
like I said, it's one of the biggest things they

1198
01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:40.320
talk about is things are not repeatable. I just showed

1199
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:44.960
you how much repeatability I've done over the years in

1200
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:47.360
the same areas and the same types of photos and

1201
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:51.119
the same body structures and the same things like that,

1202
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:52.920
you know, And I did send you the video of

1203
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:57.079
the run one flailing away. I think a guy had

1204
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.360
done a breakdown on that for me years ago. And

1205
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.360
as it gets up you can see the arm. It's

1206
01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:05.000
watching me as I come up the hill, and then

1207
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:07.840
it turns around and it looks like the back on

1208
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.199
it turns white as it runs away where the sun

1209
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:13.639
hits it. So, I don't know if I think I

1210
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:14.400
sent you that video.

1211
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.840
I'm not sure. Yeah, I think it was a link,

1212
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.320
I believe, so I'll have to have to double check that.

1213
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:22.000
But yeah, sure the link too.

1214
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:30.639
So so people absolutely wild wild stuff. Ryan, you your story,

1215
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.000
I mean, the accounts you've lived through are just intense.

1216
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.119
And what is a way? Is there any ways that

1217
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:40.599
people can keep up to date with what you're doing,

1218
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:42.519
or do you just go on shows every once in

1219
01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:44.800
a while, or or is there anything that you would

1220
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.119
want to make sure people are aware of in that regard.

1221
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:50.639
So I've become a little more reserved. Every now and

1222
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:53.039
then I'll write a book that there's the new one.

1223
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.360
The most the most recent is Challenger Interpretations, and that's

1224
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:02.119
about Bigfoot. There's Encountering a There's How Bigfoot Found Us.

1225
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.079
There's a bunch of different books that I've written On

1226
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:06.480
Amazon they can follow that. I like to go on

1227
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:09.320
shows and kind of just share what we've learned. I've

1228
01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:11.800
kind of backed off from sharing on YouTube and things

1229
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:13.719
like that because it doesn't do me any justice. I'm

1230
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:17.159
not there to get rich. I'm not there to you know.

1231
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.480
I have my own living. I have, you know, my life,

1232
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:25.519
my family, everything. So Western New York. Bigfoot is the

1233
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.360
YouTube channel. There's some videos out there, but I keep

1234
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:31.760
a lot locked up. There's no reason to share anymore.

1235
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:33.719
I just I like to do this, get this out

1236
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.800
to the people so they can see things, understand that

1237
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:40.760
it's real, and kind of make up their own determination,

1238
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:42.960
you know. I used to like to take people out

1239
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:44.920
with me, not you know, and then people started to

1240
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:48.079
try to find the area. And I'll tell you one

1241
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.960
thing I learned that it seemed like when they started

1242
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:58.559
putting wind turbines in, it affected their movements strategically and

1243
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:01.880
and then not a good way.

1244
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:09.920
Okay, that's really interesting. That makes you wonder, hmmm, interesting, man,

1245
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.599
who knows what we are doing to the environment when

1246
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.679
we utilize things like that? To be honest, But.

1247
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:18.920
Well, what was what was really funny is they kind

1248
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:21.079
of put it right. They put six of them right

1249
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:24.880
in their core habitat, like you, why did you choose there?

1250
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.479
Why didn't you choose the next hill over? Why didn't

1251
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.520
you go it in? But this has happened. This is

1252
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:34.479
another replicated thing. We are talking to people about the

1253
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:36.479
wind turbines that are put in their areas where they

1254
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:39.199
had seen them. It's almost like they're doing it strategically

1255
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:43.319
to push them away, because after twenty seventeen there was

1256
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:46.640
like a four year thing where there were five years

1257
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:51.439
nothing gone, zip, ziltch nada. I didn't catch no sounds.

1258
01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:55.279
I didn't. I didn't get nothing on cameras. Nothing I didn't.

1259
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:58.720
It was just gone, couldn't. But now they're starting to

1260
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:02.439
circulate back through and I'm noticing footprints here and there.

1261
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.000
I'm noticing stragglers like I'm not seeing the big family

1262
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:08.600
units like I was in twenty sixteen.

1263
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:13.920
Though, wild stuff. Ryan, thank you so much for coming

1264
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.840
on again. There's gonna be a ton of links for

1265
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:20.239
this episode so that you can do further research and

1266
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:22.760
check out Ryan's books and all that good stuff, which

1267
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.800
I'd recommend. They are good. But thank you so much

1268
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:26.880
for coming on the show.

1269
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:27.159
Ryan.

1270
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.600
It's it's always fun to chat with you about being

1271
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:30.239
no worries.

1272
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:31.439
Man, I appreciate you having me.

1273
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:37.159
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1274
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:40.439
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I

1275
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:43.319
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1276
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:47.880
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can

1277
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.520
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1278
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:56.479
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1279
01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:00.079
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

1280
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:04.319
even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll

1281
01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.039
be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll

1282
01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:12.560
probably I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't

1283
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:18.840
heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1284
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:20.920
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

1285
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:23.760
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1286
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:28.960
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

1287
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:33.960
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

1288
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:37.119
not only go to the festival, but you can also

1289
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:44.720
sign up for a track deep in the wild forest

1290
01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:49.479
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the bigfoot spots

1291
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:53.439
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

1292
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.079
up for this and yes, this will also be filmed

1293
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:00.920
for the next chapter in his documentary series is Searching

1294
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.479
for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

1295
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.720
It's just trust it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

1296
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:11.800
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

1297
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:16.439
dot com and listeners can use the code b sp

1298
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.239
like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two

1299
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:24.239
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

1300
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:29.319
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

1301
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:35.479
that you guys can can get a little a little

1302
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.840
help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope

1303
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:42.079
to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year.

1304
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.479
We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk

1305
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:48.159
to so many people last year and the year before.

1306
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:51.960
It is an incredible time. You're not going to want

1307
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:56.279
to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we

1308
01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:58.760
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

1309
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:02.199
a very specific of listeners. If you're in the military,

1310
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:05.960
any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

1311
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.880
no one can explain, or if you're a National park

1312
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:12.159
ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

1313
01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:16.039
or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down

1314
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:18.600
on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a

1315
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:22.600
federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something

1316
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:26.279
you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

1317
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:29.640
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

1318
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:32.720
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

1319
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.600
industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with

1320
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:40.560
government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

1321
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:44.479
told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1322
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:48.039
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1323
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.800
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1324
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:55.119
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1325
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:58.920
that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA,

1326
01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:02.520
NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the

1327
01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:07.159
public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even

1328
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:12.239
if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society

1329
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.399
at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear what

1330
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:19.920
you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.

1331
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:25.239
You've got the story. We've got the mic see you

1332
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.840
in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

1333
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:31.039
of the Bigfoot Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds

1334
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.640
us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think,

1335
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:36.600
and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the

1336
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.840
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1337
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:42.479
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1341
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.840
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1342
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1343
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1344
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.560
has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear

1345
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.760
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1346
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:10.079
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1347
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:12.680
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1348
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1349
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.880
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1350
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1351
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1352
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.760
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1353
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.600
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1354
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.520
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1355
01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:37.479
what else might be out there, And see you in

1356
01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:37.920
the woods.