Nov. 14, 2024

The Woods Were Alive, Pt. 1

Southwest Pennsylvania native Dave shares his lifetime of intriguing Bigfoot encounters with host Jeremiah Byron. From unexplained footprints and pungent odors during backyard basketball games to adrenaline-pumping nighttime incidents involving...

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Season 1

Southwest Pennsylvania native Dave shares his lifetime of intriguing Bigfoot encounters with host Jeremiah Byron. From unexplained footprints and pungent odors during backyard basketball games to adrenaline-pumping nighttime incidents involving mysterious screams, wood knocks, and rock throws, Dave's stories span over decades and include both rural Pennsylvania and wilderness areas in Colorado. Each chilling account adds to the puzzle of this elusive creature, blending physical evidence with uncanny, almost supernatural, occurrences. Tune in to hear Dave's detailed and harrowing experiences, and stay tuned for part two of this captivating interview!

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with the show. All right, bigfot Society. We've got the

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privilege of talking to Dave today. Dave's an individual from

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southwest Pennsylvania who reached out to me through email to

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share what he has experienced over the years. A lot

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of interesting things that are going to be going on

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in this one, and I'll let him explain the exact

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region that we're talking about in southwest Pennsylvania. But Dave,

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welcome to the show.

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Thanks, jeremar. I appreciate you having me on this.

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Sounds there's going to be a lot of really interesting

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things that are shared, but I'd say let's get right

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into it. Feel free to share anything about yourself that

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you might need listeners to know. Where you're at and

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how you got involved with this whole wild bigfoot thing.

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To begin with sounds good. I guess I'll start at

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the very beginning. I lived just outside of Pittsburgh and

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mon Hall. It's about ten miles outside of Pittsburgh, And

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to be honest with you, I think that the very

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beginning was pretty much the day I was born. Whether

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it be coincidence or whatnot, but I believe that the

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Patterson Gimlin film is probably about the best evidence there

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is for Bigfoot. And I was born on when the

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film was made ten, twenty sixty seven, and growing up

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I always I know, like a lot of viewers mentioned

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that I was always interested in the big Foot thing

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growing up in the seventies and watched I was always

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anxious to watch the in Search of and the Bigfoot

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documentaries and before internet and all that now, the six

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Million Dollar Man movie or show that was on in

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the back in the seventies, like they had the big

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Foot episode with that. I've heard people mention that, and

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that was like my favorite six I just always seemed

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to be connected to it. So I was always interested

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in it, and I didn't have any experiences till I

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believe it was nineteen eighty seven, and for whatever reason,

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that summer that year, there was a lot of sightings

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in the Pittsburgh area. And this is before the internet,

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the cell phones and everything, and I remember that like

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the local news channels they had in the newspapers they had,

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there was a lot of reports, so they actually had

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articles and they had like artists sketches of what people

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saw in the paper and things on the news about it,

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and there's just a lot of sightings. I believe it

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was eighty seven, But in that year, I believe it

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was in the spring, so the snow was melting, and

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we had a cabin up and on the Laurel Ridge,

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it runs parallel to Chestnut Ridge. It's a little southeast

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of Pittsburgh, about fifty miles away, and we had a

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cabin right next to my buddies. The cabins were situated

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on basically a hillside that went on a crest of

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the ridge and then went into a deep drainage behind that.

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So when he turned up the driveway, my buddy's cabin

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was on the left, and then our cabin was up

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a little bit into the right, so cat a corner

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to it, and straight across from his cabin and down

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from our cabin was like a one acre stand of

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pretty thick pine trees. So that spring, I I believe

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it was eighty seven. And in that spring, when the

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snow is mellowing, there was patches of snow, The ground

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was soft, it was smelled off, and the one weekend

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there were footprints that came from behind our cabin, crossed

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the driveway through the backyard of my buddy's place, and

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he saw footprints in the snow where there's patches of snow,

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then where there wasn't snow, you can see the deep

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impressions in the soft ground of the footprints. The footprints

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went back behind his place and they had an ing

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ground pool behind their cabin, and there was like a

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four foot cyclone chain link fence around the pool area,

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and you followed the footprints and they were on shrides, obviously,

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and then when you got to the corner of the

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pool area, so if you're looking at the pool, was

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like the back right corner of the pool area, closest

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to the yard. The footprints went back and then there

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was snow back because at that time it was shaded,

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and there was a footprint outside the chain length fence.

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Then there was a footprint inside the chain link fence

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inside the pool area, and a footprint back outside the

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chain link fence. So it's made one footstep inside the

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pool area back in the back corner, but basically it

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almost didn't break stride and walked right over the four

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foot fence like it wasn't even there. So that was

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our first kind of inclination that hey, maybe Bigfoot Israel.

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And that was in I believe, like I said, March,

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in the spring when the snow is melting. And then

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so later that year, I believe it was in June.

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Me and my buddy, they had a pretty big driveway,

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so they had a basketball hoop in the in the driveway.

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So one night, I think it was June, we were

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out with my girlfriend at the time. There's me and

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my buddy, my girlfriend and we're playing a game of

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horse shooting basketball. And it was about eleven o'clock at

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night or so, and it was a really calm night,

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quiet and we got this odor, this pungent odor. It

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it's unforgettable. It's almost undescribable. But if I had to

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describe it, I would describe it as probably like fifty

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like rotting flesh like a deer, croc carcass rotting in

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the august heat. And maybe forty like a garbage smell,

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just like a rotting garbage smell, maybe like a ten

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percent like of like a skunky smell. And we smelled

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it and it and like I said, there was no wind,

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but there was so his it was coming from back

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behind us. So it was like the thermals were was

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getting cooler at night, and you could just get a

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whiff of it now, and then it was really punging.

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It like coded the back of your throat. It was

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in your mouth, up your nose, like almost burned your nose.

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So if I came and went, then it went away.

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So we were shooting basketball for a little while longer,

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and it was a little later, so maybe midnight, twelve thirty,

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and we weren't even shooting basketball, and we were sitting

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on the wall and we're just sitting there talking quietly,

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and we smelled the same smell again, and so we

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jokingly said, they say Bigfoot has a bad odor. Yeah,

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it's probably Bigfoot. And havn't seen them tracks a few

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months earlier, kind of saying, oh, maybe it's Bigfoot. So

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we're sitting there joking about it. But now the smell

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wasn't going away. This lasted maybe fifteen minutes or so,

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and we're sitting there quietly and we heard footsteps coming

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and they came from back behind my cabin and they

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went into that stand up hines that was across from

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where we were playing basketball and down from my cabin.

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It's like a one acre stand of pines, and you

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can hear and feel each footfall coming through those pines.

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And it's an older stand of pines, so there's probably

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a foot or two of pine quills laying on the ground.

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There's no leaves or it's all pine quills, but you

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can fill and hear each footfall. And it was just

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like boom, a steady gate right through those pines and

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it went diagonally through the pines came out at the

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bottom of the driveway. You heard each foot fall across

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the driveway, then cross the road, and below the cabin

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was three small ponds, so it went into the center

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pond and we heard splashing around, slashing around in the lake,

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and we were at this point, we're scared. We're standing

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by the the corner of the door, ready to run

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in the cabin because you could feel the power in

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the footsteps and you can fill it in your chest,

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the massiveness of this thing. We were standing by the

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door and we're listening to this thing in the lake

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and it's slashing around and I didn't know what it

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was doing. We can hear just splashing, slashing, whatever it

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was doing in there. At that time, we thought it

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was who know, its chasing fish whatever. We didn't know

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what it could be. It wasn't no bare It was

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by pete. It was two footsteps coming to those pines,

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and we listened to it for a while. I got

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a rock. I ran out into the driveway and I

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threw a rock down over the hill towards the road,

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and the rock didn't make it to the lake, but

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it made it down by the road. And when the

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rocket down near the road, it got that quiet and

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there was nothing. It was just silence. So we stood

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by the door to cabin for a while and then

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we waited. Didn't hear nothing. So I went out and

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I threw another rock down there. When I threw the

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second rock, it tore out of there. It came out

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of the lake and it basically took the exact same

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path that it took down to the lake. It ran

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across the road, but it wasn't walking. It was a

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much quicker pace and come up through the pines back

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behind my cabin and went into the drainage behind our cabin.

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And that was pretty much for that. But learning I'm

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going to jump around a little bit because obviously with

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the internet, and I'll get into what happened to me

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recently over the past three years or so, and just

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to jump around not to forget this and what I

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learned now and what I think now and don't understand

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is so this thing came through that stand of pines,

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and it's a thick stand of pines. I'm five nine,

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two hundred pounds, and I couldn't walk with a steady

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gate through those pines without ducking and weaving between trees

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or branches or whatnot. And this thing came through there

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like it was walking across an open fields. The trees

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weren't even there, and it was just a steady footprints

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boom coming through those pines, no tree breaks, no leaves,

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there's no leaves in there, but no branches breaking, just

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stay footsteps all the way through those pines. And I

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just if this didn't see it, but say it was

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seven eight foot tall and eight hundred pounds, there's no

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way in the world this thing can walk through there

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at a steady gate without moving trees, breaking trees. So

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I just I didn't even really think about that until

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this year and how that could be. And so that

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was it for that. And then later that year in

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the fall, me and my buddy we were out riding

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quads and there was a we were on a sol

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railroad track, but it's a bike trail now, and we

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were actually out near where all a lot of my

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current experiences are going on. And we were riding and

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we were along a creek and it was a thick

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part of the creek where there's a lot of mountain

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Laurel and rhododendron died in the creek bottom, and it

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gets really thick down in there. And we were going

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down the quad path and I was out front and

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my buddy was behind me, and we just hit a

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patch where I smelled that exact same smell again that

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we smelled that night we were shooting basketball. And like

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I said, it's an unmistakable smell. It's one of a

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kind of unique smell. And so I just kept going.

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I went another couple of miles and I pulled over

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just to put some distance between us and the smell,

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and my buddy pulled over behind me, and he took

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his helmet off and he came up to me. He said,

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you smelled it, didn't you. I was like, yeah, that's

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what I did, I says, and it's like I said,

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it's a unique smell. And that was pretty much it

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for the eighties and then so then I pretty much

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didn't have anything for thirty three years or so until

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you know what today's Halloween actually, So it was Halloween

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twenty twenty, so four years ago, and so there was

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a thirty three year gap there where I had some

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things happen. Looking back back on it, maybe a couple

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times throughout the thirty three years that maybe wasn't a bear,

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maybe it was something else. It's pretty much nothing, and

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then I'll get into the twenty twenty thing on Halloween

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that's pretty much changed everything for me and my son,

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and my son was with me. So Halloween twenty twenty, me,

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my son and I we were near Forbes State Forest

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down in southeast or yeah, little south. It's probably seventy

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miles i'd say, southeast of Pittsburgh or so, and we

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were down there hunting and there's some game lands down

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that way, and we were hunting deer and I think

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it was archery bear also in the morning, and then

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we hunted peasant in the afternoon. Had nothing to happen

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in the morning. Hunted pheasant in the afternoon and we

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got I think as my son limited out, so he

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got two birds and I got one. And so for

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the evening we were going hunting, but in a different

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spot than we hunted, and we went in and we hunted.

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It was a beautiful day. It was actually warm for Halloween,

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but it was a calm, sunny day, not a cloud

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in the sky. And it was actually also the first

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time there was a full moon on Halloween in decades.

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I don't know the exact number, but it was a

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long time since there's been a full moon on Halloween.

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Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages, We.

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Went hunting and I put my son, he was at

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the time thirteen fourteen something like that. I put him

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in a spot and near a capped off gas well

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where they capped it off and they planted some grasses

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and clover, and the deer were coming there in the evening.

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So I put him there and I wasn't far from

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because he was still young, and it was maybe three

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hundred yards passed him up the ridge further and so

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we hunted until dark, and we had radios, so my

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son came on the radio and said he had three

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dough in front of him in the field. So we

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gave it some time, but they weren't moving off air

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feet and I told my son and he was just

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sitting on the hillside, camouflaged and covered up with some

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mountain laurel, and didn't want him to give up his spot,

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and showed the deer where he was. So I told

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him just to sit tight, and I walked down the path.

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Let me spook the deer walking down the path. It's

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more natural, so they don't, you know, get educated as

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to where he was sitting. So I did that, walked

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down the path, spooked the deer. Son come down to

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me and we talked a little bit, and like I said,

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it was a beautiful probably forty five fifty degree night,

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and the moon was just starting to come up, but

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the sun was down, so it was pretty much dark

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at this point. We had about a mile walk out

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of the woods, so we started walking out of the woods.

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It was dead quiet and talking on the way out,

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and didn't even need slash lights because the moon was

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just coming up, but it was just lighting the tops

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of the tree tops up. It was a huge I

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think it was the harvest moon. Maybe it was the

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harvest moon. It's a big full moon, and we're working

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our way out and so it probably took us a

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good twenty minutes or so to walk out, so it's

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well after dark when we get back to the truck.

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As we approached the truck, like just we were maybe

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twenty yards in the truck, and where the truck was parked,

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it's on a dirt road and you can maybe fit

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two trucks where we were parked. And then in the

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bottom of the draw there's a little bigger parking area,

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probably fit maybe five or six trucks down there. And

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coming from that area in the bottom of the draw,

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as we approached the truck, there was a scream. And

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I've heard this said before, but that's what it sounds like.

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It sounds like a woman being murdered, just this hellacious,

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blood curdling scream. And it did it three or four times,

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and it just puts you into instinct adrenaline mode. And

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my son, yeah, his name was Mark, so I'll just

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referred to him as more A's Mark. And he said,

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what was that? And I was like, I don't know.

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I says, maybe an isle because you can tell it wasn't.

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It didn't seem like it was on the ground. It

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was elevated, and it wasn't that far. It was maybe

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eighty yards away, I'd say. And so it did it

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three or four times. We're freaked out by that. And

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directly across from where the scream came from, I hear

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these big tree branches getting broken, and just so it

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sounded like a bulldozer starting to go through the woods.

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And at that time, this is an area where we

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bear hunt and there was a big bear in the area.

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It was the Game Commission knew about it, and we

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actually talked to them. They said it had a collar

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on it, and they obviously they weigh them and they

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checked them and put callers on them, so they knew

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it was six hundred plus pile. So it was a

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pretty good sized bear, and we knew it was in

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the area. And I told my sign Mark, I says,

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I said, I bet you that's that bear, and it's

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getting ready across the road. So I pulled my light

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out and I shined it down the road and hoping

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to get a glimpse of acrossing the road. And then

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once I shined the light down the road where the

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stick brakes were coming from. It got real quiet, and

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then I don't know, it's maybe a minute went by,

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and then slowly you can hear more sticks breaking in it,

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and it was working its way back down the valley,

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and it just we listened to it for a while.

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I turned the light off, and like, at this point,

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I'm not thinking it's been thirty three years since anything

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Bigfoot related had happened to me, So at this point

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I'm thinking that there was possibly an isle. It screeched

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or screamed. I've never heard owls and hawks, even crows, foxes, coyotes.

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I've heard a lot of strain and stuff in the

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woods at life, and nothing quite like this woman screaming thing.

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And so that kind of threw me for a loop.

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And then as things working its way down the valley,

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just it sounded like a bulldozer going down, just big

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trees being pushed over, big trees snapping, and I just

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couldn't explain what that was. And other than the bear

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and it went down the valley ways and then it

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got quiet. We didn't really think too much other than that,

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and I opened the tailgate of the truck and we

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started taking our gear off and putting stuff away, and

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I said, we're throwing stuff in the back of the truck.

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And we're sitting there and we're talking a little bit,

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and I maybe ten minutes goes by and we both

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had crossbows. So my son asked me. He says, I

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discharged the crossbows. I was like, we have a discharged

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target to discharge them, and sure, go ahead. So he

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put the target out and like I said, the moon's

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coming up. It's almost like daylight. So I held the

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light on the discharge target so he can shoot the crossbow.

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And like I said, it was dead, calm, no wind,

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just no no cicadas, no nothing, no crickets, dead, calm,

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no noise to speak of it all. So he discharged

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the crossbow and they make a pretty good noise when

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he was discharging, and it echoed, you know, it almost

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as quiet as it all. It's not like a gun

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going off, and it echoed across the valley. And so

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he walks back over to the truck and it wasn't

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ten seconds later and there was three knocks down in

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the valley where we heard all this stick breaking and

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trees breaking down towards where it was headed, and we

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heard three knocks, and at this point never heard wood

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knocks before, and only I even never even heard these

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things other than the TV show. And you know that

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when the kids were little, they watched the TV show.

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And I know just one I'm talking about. I don't

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really care to promote their stuff because I don't agree

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with what they stand for. But so anyways, my son

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ad he says there were three of them. Was that

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wood knocks? I was like, I don't know. And so

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right after that, there was a So there's a creek

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that goes down there and Downwardy's noises came from it.

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It's just like a shallow creek. And we heard a

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rock thrown in the creek, and you can hear almost

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like a river rock, a five pound river rock thrown

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up the creek, and you can hear a clock on

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the rocks and splashing the water. And then come the rest.

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And so now I'm thinking there's other hunters coming up

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the valley the or down or screwing around, beating on

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trees or throwing rocks or whatever. So that's why I

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told them, because, like I said, Bigfoot isn't even on

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my mind at this point. I thought i'd heard maybe

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an isle and a bear, and now we're hearing hunters

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coming up the valley, and so didn't he Bigfoot is

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the unity in my mind, and so we're getting things

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together and he goes to discharge the other crossbow and

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he shoots it. The same exact thing happens. There's three

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wood knocks, maybe a ten second break, and then there's

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a rock thrown up the creek same way. Then there's

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to hear a rock clack, don't hitting rocks in the creek,

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and the water splashing comes to rest, and so now

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I'm thinking, yeah, there's guys coming up the valley. So

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there's really not a lot of places the park around

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that area, and it's pretty remote. And so I walked

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out onto the road and I looked down into that

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lower parking area and there was no vehicles. There was

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no vehicles on the road. There was there's hardly any

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traffic on this road at all, and so there was

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nobody there. So that kind of made me think, who

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could this be? But and I'm thinking it's Halloween. Who knows,

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maybe someone is coming up through there and maybe or

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goof and the offscreen around. So we waited a while,

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and so where we were parked. The creek that the

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rocks are being thrown in, it actually goes under the

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road right near where we were parked, and when it

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crosses under the road comes out the other side. If

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you go down there about forty fifty yards, there's a

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beaver had that damned up down there, and so the

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water was probably four feet deep right there, But then

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on the other side of the dam just turns into

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a babbling brook the rest of the way down. And

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so we're sitting there and putting the bows away, putting

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gear away and stuff. And we had them three pheasants

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from earlier in the day that we got and we

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were debating on whether to clean them are or take

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them back to the cabin and clean them. So we're

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sitting there and then we hear this pretty close to us,

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down in the creek, right across the road from us,

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where the beaver has it damned up. We hear these

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We didn't know what it was at the time, Like

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I said, we're not thinking nothing about Bigfoot yet, and

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we hear these k plunks coming towards us through the

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beaver or the beaver has it damned up, and you

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hear plunk ker plunk, and my son's what's that noise?

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I was like, I don't know, And then you hear

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another one ker plunk, and I just couldn't imagine what

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it could be, and it sounded like it was getting closer.

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So anything I could possibly remotely think was there's a

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gas line right up the road. When I first started

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hunting back in pre eighty I don't even know eighty

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four eighty five. First places I hunted with my buddy

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had a camp up Allegany National Forest up in northern

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northwestern PA. And we hunted up there, and there was

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beaver ponds up there and gas lines running over the

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place up there, and a lot of gas lines up

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there have holes in them and they bubble up through

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the beaver ponds, and there's this big elephant grass everywhere,

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And so anything I could tell my son was then

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kerplunks were like maybe gas leaking out of a gas

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line and maybe elephant grass over the water over the

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line and building up a little air bubble and you know,

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going krk plunk. And that's the only I come up with,

454
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:03.559
because but I knew there was no gas line there.

455
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:05.480
The gas lines up the road more and I know

456
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.319
where it runs and doesn't run through that creek. So

457
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.119
that's all I could tell them. So we're sitting on

458
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:16.119
a tailgated truck and we're debating on cleaning these birds

459
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:19.440
there or not. And then we heard a splash. It

460
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.759
was pretty loud, but I rode it off as a

461
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.400
beavertail splash because there's beaver there, there's a beaver pond there.

462
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.640
It didn't quite sound like a beavertail splash. I mean,

463
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.079
I've heard them, I've been in kayaks close to their huts,

464
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.039
kayaking fishing in different lakes and having them splashed real

465
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.000
close to me, and it didn't really sound like a

466
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.480
beavertail slap. But I wrote it off, like I said,

467
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:43.480
I'm still not thinking big Foot about any of this stuff.

468
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.960
So we're debating on the birds, cleaning the birds, sitting

469
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.200
on a tailgate, talking a little bit. The moon's coming up,

470
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.599
it's really getting pretty bright out, and a truck comes

471
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.640
down the road. He goes down to the lower parking area,

472
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:04.279
backs and sits there a minute, turns around and goes

473
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.519
back up past us. And I were well after dark.

474
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.119
It's at least an hour after dark, if not more.

475
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.480
And I thought he was turned around to see if

476
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:14.480
maybe we got a deer or if we need help

477
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.799
getting something out. But he came back up past us

478
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:19.359
and just kept going, and he went up around the bend,

479
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.559
and as soon as he went around the bend, there

480
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.519
was a rock thrown in that beaver pond not far

481
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.920
from us, maybe thirty thirty five yards from us. And

482
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.400
there's thick hemlocks in there, and it's real thick, like

483
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.160
almost like scrub oat down in there. It's just a

484
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:43.720
tangled mess of scrub oak and hemlocks, and so we

485
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:45.759
couldn't see. You can't see much past the other side

486
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.440
of the road. But this thing threw a boulder in there,

487
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:54.519
and we were both in the air, off the tailgate

488
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.319
and in the truck simultaneously. We didn't say anything. It

489
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.880
was just instant that you felt a concussion in your chest.

490
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.200
It was big. It was like a two hundred pounds

491
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.480
sack of cement was thrown in there, and you heard

492
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:11.440
the boulder hit the bottom of the water as a

493
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.960
creek and hit other rocks. It was big. So we

494
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.640
get in the truck and I didn't even saying to

495
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.279
my son, he's freaked out. I'm freaked out and we

496
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.279
close the doors. He says, you know what that is? Right,

497
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:27.279
I'm like, I'm like, yeah, they could, only there's nothing

498
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.799
else really to explain off here. And so I start

499
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:32.839
the truck up when we're getting ready to tear out

500
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.720
of there, and I stopped right before we pulled onto

501
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:38.880
the road, and I told my son, and he's freaked out,

502
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.720
and he's like hyperventilating, and I'm freaked out and almost

503
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.799
and I had my experiences in the eighties, and I

504
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:47.880
told him, Matt, and I said, and maybe, like I said,

505
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.000
they watched the TV show and everybody's armchair quarterback when

506
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.799
you're sitting at home watching TV. But when you're in

507
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.160
the woods and this actually happens to you, and everybody says, oh,

508
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.319
I'd go throw a rope around his neck and drag

509
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.440
him to town. Any of what it is. When this

510
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.680
thing actually happens to you, it's life changing and it's

511
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.480
very little scared the hell out of you. And so

512
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:08.799
I left it up to him, and I says, this

513
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.640
is up to you. If you want to stay here

514
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.440
and see what happens, or you want to go home,

515
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.680
We'll go home. He says, all right, let's stay. So

516
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.039
I didn't stay in that spot, kid, Like I said,

517
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:23.680
we were really close to where this thing just through

518
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.279
that boulder. So we went down the road and I

519
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.119
put back into where that bigger parking area is about

520
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.200
eighty hundred yards away or so, and just to give

521
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.720
myself some more distance, and back then there, shut the

522
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.559
truck off, put the window halfway down, and I had

523
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.119
a forty four mag next to me, and I was

524
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.440
still scared. I just felt it wasn't going to do

525
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.880
anything anyways. So we sat there for probably a half

526
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.240
hour and it was dead quiet, not a people, no crickets,

527
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:59.160
it was nothing, dead silence. And like I said, it's

528
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:03.480
probably at least two hours after dark now. And we

529
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:05.480
sat there for a half hour. Nothing happened.

530
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.039
Big for society, who would be right back after these messages.

531
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.759
And I haven't. I have my phone sitting on a

532
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.920
door panel, trying to record in case something would happen,

533
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.720
so I can try to record something. And nothing happened.

534
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.440
So my wife calls me and she asked me, like,

535
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.960
where are we at? And I'm like and I started

536
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:43.799
telling her what was going on, and she's telling us

537
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:48.400
we're crazy. Come home, get something to eat, and I said, no,

538
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:50.799
this is this is no joke. This is really happening.

539
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.319
And so we're talking to her and a car comes

540
00:30:55.359 --> 00:31:00.640
past and went the same direction as detructed, maybe earlier.

541
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:04.440
It was the last vehicle that went down the road

542
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.640
was that truck. And then this car comes past. I'm

543
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.240
talking to my wife on the phone, and as the

544
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.000
car goes up around the bend, and mind you, we're

545
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.960
further away than we were before. This thing through another

546
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.799
boulder in that damned up part of the creek and

547
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.799
the same thing. We were in the truck and you

548
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.440
felt a concussion in your chest and it displaced the water,

549
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.920
and it scared us when we were sitting in the truck,

550
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.079
and I just first thing that popped into my head

551
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:38.720
is this thing thrown boulders, two hundred pound boulders. It

552
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:40.920
gets pissed off enough. I don't want it coming down

553
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.000
to the truck and throwing a boulder through the windshield

554
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.519
and killing me, my son, both of us. So now

555
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.279
I was scared for our safety, so I took off

556
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.559
and I didn't go back past where the boulders were

557
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.559
being thrown. I went the other way. So I drove

558
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.200
out to the tee on the road, which is about

559
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:01.480
I don't know, maybe a mile and a half or so,

560
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.559
and we sat there and we were pretty shook up.

561
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.519
And we sat up there for I don't know, maybe

562
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.160
fifteen minutes or so, and we call them down and

563
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.359
we were actually going to leave from there because I

564
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.799
just I did didn't want to get hurt then when

565
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.359
my son get hurt and whatnot. But we decided to

566
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.160
go back pass through and just drive through and shine

567
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.759
a light down where the creek goes where it was

568
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:28.240
dammed up, and just seep we see something, but we

569
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.599
were going for probably fifteen to twenty nuts. So we

570
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.920
come back down and I wasn't stopping to just creep

571
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.440
through there, and my son shined the light down the

572
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.799
creek and didn't see nothing, And so we just kept going.

573
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.960
Went up around the bend and there's a small lake

574
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.480
there and come around it makes an spend, So we

575
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.039
come around the other part of the s bend and

576
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.400
there's I didn't count it there. They had to be

577
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:59.000
at least six to eight those that were freaked out.

578
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.720
I've never seen you act like this, and I've been

579
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.960
hunting the whole life for forty years, and they were

580
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.559
like if you watched a litter of kittens playing with

581
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.759
a ball of yarn, how they jump on top of

582
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.799
each other, and they're skittish, and they just they turn

583
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.759
their head real quick and they dart from one spot

584
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.680
to another. That's what they were doing. And these deer

585
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.000
were freaked out, and I was blown away by that.

586
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.599
So we went past the deer and we turned around,

587
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.559
came back again, and there was one when we turned

588
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.279
around and came back and we were like going a minute.

589
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.960
The All the deer were going except one, and it

590
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.119
was standing in the middle of the road and it

591
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.599
was looking away from us, down towards. We were just

592
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.960
having this encounter in the thick stand of hemlocks, and

593
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.160
it was just staring and stomping its hoof, staring in

594
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.160
those hemlocks. And I crept up on the deer in

595
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.359
my truck in the middle of the road, and it

596
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.640
didn't even pay us no mind. It just was staring

597
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:59.119
in them, in them hemlocks, stomping its foot so esp actually,

598
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.880
I it looked at us, and I looked back, and

599
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:02.599
it looked back and forth a couple of times, and

600
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.960
then it bolted into the woods. So we went back

601
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.480
down there and turned around, came back up and we

602
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.400
sat up higher or the deer were, and we sat

603
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.840
there for probably another forty five minutes or so, and

604
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:20.159
it was quiet and it was over. But my feeling

605
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.519
is that when we approached the truck and that screen

606
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.239
I think screened three or four times. I think, just

607
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.400
by random, we approached the truck at the same time

608
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.559
these beings were trying to cross the road, and I

609
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.360
think one or two of them were on our side

610
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.159
of the road and the rest of them were on

611
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:41.880
the lower side of the road, and we cut them

612
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.559
in half. And I think that's why they were so

613
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.039
aggressive and why they did what they did, because they

614
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:51.280
were separated. But that's just the feeling I got. And

615
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:56.679
so after that happened, I called my buddy because I remember,

616
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.920
I think it was a couple of maybe a year

617
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.440
before that, we were hunting and we were in the

618
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.840
one convenience store and they had a piece of paper

619
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.840
on there with a phone number, and you pulled the

620
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.800
phone number off and it said something about if you

621
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:17.039
see paranormal or aliens, got the UFOs, bigfoot whatever called

622
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.400
his number. So I knew my buddy took a picture

623
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.599
of it on his phone. So I called him and

624
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.840
I got the number, and I called because obviously this

625
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.840
is a really hot, fresh encounter, and I'd figure with

626
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.000
everything that was going on that night, the next morning,

627
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:35.519
there should be fresh footprints, tree breaks the whole nine yards.

628
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.000
So I called the number and left the message, and unfortunately,

629
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.400
nobody responded to me for two weeks, and so me

630
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.639
and my son we came home after that. We didn't

631
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.440
go back to the cabin. I have a small it's

632
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.639
a one room cabin about it's eighteen miles from where

633
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:54.719
his experience happened, and so we didn't go back to

634
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.119
that cab. We came home and so we debated it

635
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.199
during the night and we said, you know what, there

636
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.559
was a cold front. It was a beautiful day that day.

637
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.280
The next day, around noon, there's a cold front coming

638
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.079
to and the temperature was dropping and it was actually

639
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.800
supposed to start snow up in the mountains. And says,

640
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:11.480
you know what, let's get up early tomorrow morning. We'll

641
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.320
go up there in the daylight and just poke around

642
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.159
a little, but see if we see anything. So we

643
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.400
did that. We went up there and we went to

644
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.480
where the boulders were being thrown in the creek. Figure

645
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.960
in my mind, there has to be a big dirt

646
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.320
socket somewhere on the ground where this thing picked up

647
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.599
a boulder and slammed it into the damned up part

648
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.440
of the creek. And so we go in there and

649
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.599
it's like I said, there's hemlocks there, and it's and

650
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.119
they're covered a lot of boulders, a lot of the

651
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.599
logs and everything are covering moss. So it would stick

652
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.159
out like a sore thumb if something picked up a

653
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.519
one hundred pound boulder and threw it into that creek.

654
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.880
And we looked and we couldn't find anything. We found

655
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:57.480
one small branch broken and we found one footprint, which

656
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.480
I took pictures of this stuff. If it's not a

657
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.280
footprint in the mud or anything, but it's you can

658
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.159
see a plane's day. It's hard, it's harder on the

659
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.159
camera on the phone, but it's an impression in the

660
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.480
leaves because all the leaves were fluffed up. This is

661
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.960
end October. It's all the leaves just fell and it

662
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.079
was a you can see it plane's day. It stuck

663
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.440
out like a store for them. But it was only

664
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.320
one print, which was odd, and I was like, how

665
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.639
do you have just one footprint? And so he took

666
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.519
a picture of that. And we're going up and down

667
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.480
the creek and from the beaver dam all the way

668
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.079
up to the road, both sides, and we can't find

669
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.000
anywhere where this thing pulled three boulders out of the

670
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:37.400
ground and slammed it into the creek. And so then

671
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.639
it hit me this. It didn't pull the border off

672
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.840
of the land, off of the dry ground. When we

673
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.960
heard those kr plunks coming up through the creek, it

674
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.760
was in the creek, so we heard plump. It was

675
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.719
walking in the four foot part of the creek, so

676
00:37:58.119 --> 00:37:59.719
it didn't have to grab a boulder from the ground.

677
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.440
It just bent over, grabbed the boulder out of the

678
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:04.159
bottom of the creek, picked it up, and slammed it

679
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.440
back down. That's why we didn't find any muddy dirt

680
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.280
sockets of where there's a boulder missing. And that kind

681
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:17.199
of solidified what the curR plunkin noises were and we

682
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:18.679
and so we went back up and I had a

683
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.880
tape measure in my truck, and I measured a footprint

684
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:26.440
and it was roughly eighteen inches long and ten inches wide.

685
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.800
And so we measured as far as I can reach

686
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.400
without going in. It was three and a half feet deep.

687
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.719
Where as far as I could reach with the tape

688
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.039
measure to see how deep it was out there, or

689
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.599
the creek stammed up, and that's ways deep on a

690
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:46.000
normal human being. So for this thing, for these footfalls

691
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.679
to come straight down on top of the water and

692
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:50.920
make that currplunkin noise, there was no waiting, there was

693
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.039
no splashing, It was just plunk or like these footfalls

694
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.679
were coming straight down from the top end of the water.

695
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.800
And this thing had to be enormous to to have

696
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.800
footfalls come down into the water like that. And so

697
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.039
two weeks later I got a phone call from my

698
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.559
phone number and I told him, gave him a brief

699
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.400
description of what happened, and then they referred me to

700
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:19.599
a guy in West Virginia, and I called him and

701
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.679
we talked and I was telling him my story, and

702
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.239
so this kind of goes into the brother is always listening.

703
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.920
He's listening now. And I called him and I was

704
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.320
three quarters of the way through telling him our experience

705
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:38.280
and I got disconnected. And when I say disconnected, it

706
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.639
wasn't a drop call. It wasn't nothing like that. It

707
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.039
was there was a pop in the phone. If you

708
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.000
had an electric guitar and an amp hooked up to

709
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:50.280
it and you had it on full power and you

710
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.079
yanked the cord out of the amp and it makes

711
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.519
that loud electronic pop, that's what it was. I actually

712
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:57.559
pulled jerk the phone away from my ear, that's how

713
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:02.119
loud it was. So I'm sitting there and I was like, Wow,

714
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.280
I can't believe that just happened. And then the guy

715
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.280
from West Virginia, he calls me back on a different

716
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.400
line and he's, Yeah, that happens all the time, That's

717
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.079
what he said. He says, that's a big brother. He

718
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:13.639
watches me all the time. If I don't like what

719
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.800
they're hearing, they disconnect me. And I was like really

720
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.519
and okay, And so I finished telling him my experience,

721
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.440
and so he asked me at then end of talking

722
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:26.440
to him, what do you think? What do you think

723
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:31.159
Bigfoot is? And at that point, you know, I knew

724
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.760
of two camps. There's the pithecus, the missing link, the

725
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.960
eighth thing that belief, and then there's the other side

726
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:46.519
that's aliens, spiritual interdimensional, which I was in the physical part,

727
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:50.000
the missing link thing that I couldn't comprehend the other

728
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.800
part of it. And so I was in the physical part,

729
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:59.159
the missing link physical again epithecus, you know, just alluding everybody,

730
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.840
that's where I was at that point. And but that

731
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.360
really so after that experience, that really it was life

732
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.440
changing for me and my son. And so that started

733
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.480
my search on the Internet for different things. And to

734
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.119
be honest with you, most of the stuff on our

735
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:20.599
Internet is is bs and clickbait. And so I settled

736
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.960
on a few different channels and they were all pretty

737
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:29.639
much like yours that has viewers tell their experiences, and

738
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.199
I think that's the most credible ones. And so I

739
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.039
started listening to those and one of the one of

740
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:36.599
the first one I one of the first ones I

741
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:40.760
got to was Steve's channel how to Hunt, And I

742
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.079
really listened to that a lot because he just rereads

743
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:45.960
pretty much the email to come into them about different

744
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.000
experiences and these seems like, I know BS kind of guy,

745
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.480
and so I listened a lot to him. And so

746
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.599
here's and I am, I'm not a computer I'm not

747
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.360
an internet guy. I'm not a computer guy. I've read

748
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.920
it to be honest with you, an old school and

749
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:08.360
so I listened to Steve's channel for oh, I'd say

750
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:10.920
a few months, and I finally and I never described

751
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.679
any or subscribe to anything before. And I decided to

752
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.280
subscribe to his channel because it just makes it easier

753
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.800
when new content comes out, it automatically pops up. And

754
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.000
this is the first time I'd ever subscribed to anything

755
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.679
even really, I'd never really even watched YouTube or anything

756
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:31.880
before this. And I subscribed to his channel. And it

757
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.679
was later and it was like ten ten thirty at

758
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.519
night or so. And every morning when I got up,

759
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.920
I had a routine where I would search kind of

760
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.000
same things on Google. And at the time, I was

761
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.960
looking for some property and I was searching some things

762
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.639
like every morning I'd searched the same thing, like things

763
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:52.559
for sale and stuff. So I subscribed to his channel,

764
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.920
like ten thirty at night. The next morning, I got up,

765
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.800
and you're how Google tracks you, And as soon as

766
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.119
you go on to Google, all your recent search stuff

767
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:05.519
comes up. And when I pulled Google up, my entire

768
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.639
search history was cleared off my phone. There was nothing.

769
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.480
It was blank. And then so I went to and

770
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.719
I looked, and I went to Steve's channel, and I

771
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.880
was automatic. I was unsubscribed from his channel. And this

772
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.840
was less missally, only twelve hours of fat that I

773
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.760
just subscribed to this channel, and then my whole phone,

774
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.199
my whole Google search history was erased. So I thought

775
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:35.920
that was really strange. And that was that. And so

776
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.840
that was twenty twenty and then twenty the rest of

777
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.519
that year, So that was in October Halloween, and the

778
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.440
rest of that year had no other experiences. Twenty twenty

779
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.039
one had nothing, nothing to speak of. Hunted a lot,

780
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:57.760
same area, nothing. There was absolutely nothing until twenty twenty two. So,

781
00:43:58.039 --> 00:43:59.199
like I said, we do a lot of hunting in

782
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:03.639
this area, deer, bear, pheasants, grouse, that's like our main

783
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:08.000
hunting area. And so twenty twenty two. I was a

784
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.119
mechanic for thirty plus years and I retired from doing

785
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.440
that in twenty twenty and so I took a year

786
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.280
off and I started delivering motorsports pretty much around the country.

787
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.039
And so I was coming back from a run. This

788
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:26.519
was September of twenty twenty two, and I was coming

789
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.960
back from Virginia and I was coming back generally on

790
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.320
the in the area of where we hunt so I

791
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.280
just wanted to swing by and I see what the

792
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.920
We have permission to hunt one of the farms there.

793
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.159
That's a jocent adjacent to the game lands in the

794
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.199
state Force. So I just want to see what crops

795
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.199
because the usually alternate beans and corn every year, and

796
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.360
when they have corn, we do pretty good bear hunting.

797
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.039
And we have beans, it's not so good. So it

798
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.440
was mid September. I was coming back from a run

799
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:56.920
and I swung by just to see what the farms

800
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:58.880
had as far as what they planted.

801
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.840
Big I would be right back after these messages.

802
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.239
And so I pulled into that lower parking area and

803
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.199
I had to take a leak, and so I just

804
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.440
jumped out of the truck and that's walked about ten

805
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.920
yards in the woods and I'm taking a leak and

806
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.239
this it was bigger than a tree branch. I was

807
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:40.920
a log and it was thrown. If I'm looking into

808
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.039
the woods, it came from my eleven o'clock across in

809
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:49.039
front of me, ticking branches. I got glimpses of it. It

810
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.000
wasn't right in front of me. It was maybe fifteen

811
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.519
yards in front of me, and it came from like

812
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.639
my eleven o'clock diagonally across in front of me and

813
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.840
landed like my four o'clock and tumbled and rolled through

814
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.039
the leaves. And it wasn't a tree branch that broke

815
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.480
off and fell down through the trees. This was a log.

816
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:12.159
This was a ten inch in diameter log that was

817
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.159
thrown through the trees. And that freaked me out. So

818
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.119
I'd turn around, jump back in a truck and took off.

819
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.559
And mind you, there was nothing happened for the past

820
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:26.599
almost two full years, but I knew what that was.

821
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:32.119
And from that point on it's been pretty much almost

822
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:37.280
I was the first. So in twenty twenty two, I'd

823
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.280
say probably sixty percent of the time we went up there,

824
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.519
something happened, and twenty twenty three, probably eighty percent of

825
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.679
the time I go up there, something happens. And so

826
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.039
this year, almost every time I go up there, something happens.

827
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:56.480
And so in twenty twenty two, after the log in September,

828
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.000
we started hunting in October back one of our main

829
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.400
hunting spots. We're walking this path back there, and obviously

830
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.679
I've been doing a lot of research on trying to

831
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.840
gain knowledge on the internet, and there's this giant X

832
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.079
structure walking back too. I'm just gonna I call it

833
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:18.320
ground zero is where like all this stuff, a lot

834
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.840
of it originates from, or it happens, or the howls,

835
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.480
all these vocalizations come from and they start like in

836
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.440
the same area. So I call it ground zero. And

837
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:33.320
there's this giant X structure. So I thought that was weird,

838
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.440
and I actually took a picture, a couple of pictures

839
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:36.679
of it. And this is the first time I've been

840
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.760
in the woods in this area that hunting season of

841
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:44.880
twenty three or twenty two, and so I took a

842
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:48.920
couple of pictures of it. And as I'm walking past

843
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.239
the X structure, and I get maybe fifty yards past it,

844
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.519
and the X structures may be eighty yards off of

845
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.559
the path in the woods, there's one. As I walk

846
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.400
pack passed that, there was one loud wooden knock came

847
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.480
from behind me where I just walked from, on the

848
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.039
same side of the path as the X structure. So

849
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.840
that kind of freaked me out, but I was like, okay,

850
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.039
so I just kept walking one hunting did my thing

851
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.880
came back out, and so that was that. And I'm

852
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.840
not going to get into every fake owlhoot, holler, and

853
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.119
different things, but just almost it just seems like most

854
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.559
of the most of them were most of my encounters

855
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.679
were I go hunting all day and then a lot

856
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:35.679
of times I come out in the dark, so right

857
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.199
at dark or right after dark, on the way out.

858
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:39.679
A lot of times it was right when I got

859
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.519
back to the truck, there'll be a series of oul hoots,

860
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.679
which are they might start out as ou hoots, but

861
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.360
they end up is more like vocalizations and almost just

862
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:50.280
to let me know to there they're not aggressive, no

863
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:54.920
scream wasn't no screaming or nothing like that. So then

864
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.960
we got into October of twenty two and one of

865
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.800
the guys we hunt with that's he lived. He was

866
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.159
born up in this area of the mountains, and he

867
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.320
had a encounter in twenty seventeen where him and one

868
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:16.480
of his friends were trout fishing in a creek not

869
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.480
far from where we were, and it's a gorge pretty

870
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.800
steep hillsides, and he had an encounter where they felt

871
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.360
like they were being watched, and they saw one up

872
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.199
on the hillside and it kept hiding behind trees and

873
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.840
it ran off and they saw it run off, and

874
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.760
so he's the only other one other than my buddy

875
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:39.800
that we were shooting basketball within the eighties that had experiences.

876
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.800
And so we were going deer hunting. We have muzzleloters

877
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:50.119
for deer and bear. In October of twenty two and

878
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.960
so me and my son Mark and my buddy were

879
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.039
walking down this long path, a pretty good hike down

880
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.000
into where we were going to hunt, and we were

881
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.159
talking on the way in, and I say, man, I

882
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.599
want to be weird if all three of us had experiences.

883
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.199
Want to be weird if we got down in here

884
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.760
and something happens and we're joking about it. And we

885
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:12.840
got down there, and I dropped my buddy off first,

886
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.559
and then me and him were looking over the same

887
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:19.280
drainage and I was on a power line. He was

888
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.239
to the right of me and some fixed stuff, and

889
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.639
my son was past me on the other end of

890
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.519
this field, looking in the same where the two drainages

891
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.880
come together. And as soon as I got to my

892
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.800
spot and settled down, and I was looking over a

893
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.519
power line and I could see about one hundred and

894
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.519
fifty yards it went into drainage and off the other

895
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.480
side and to the left of me, I can hear

896
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.119
something sound like I thought it was a bear. It

897
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:48.440
sounded like it was a bear ripping a log apart

898
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.639
for grubs and insects, and you can hear like grunting noises,

899
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:54.800
and I really thought it was a bear. So I

900
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.039
listened to it for a while, but I couldn't see it,

901
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.159
and it was working its way away from me. I'm

902
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.079
listening to it, and I didn't really hear I just

903
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.039
hear Lee's crunching. I couldn't say one way or another

904
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.400
if it was two feet four feet, but I thought

905
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.559
it was a bear. And then so the sun went

906
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:19.159
down and directly across from me to the left, on

907
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.000
the left, the same side where the noises were coming from,

908
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.599
directly across from me, on the other side of the

909
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.559
power line, on the other side of the canyon, there

910
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.800
was one super loud wood knock, like two Louisville sluggers

911
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.480
and unmistakable, just one loud crack wood knock, and that

912
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.000
kind of freaked me out. So then I started thinking

913
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.519
about maybe this wasn't a bear. And it's getting darker

914
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.079
and in the bottom of the drainage from my right,

915
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.239
so it would have been coming from my buddy's position.

916
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.679
I hear voices, and they were getting louder and closer,

917
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.400
but I couldn't make out what they were saying. It

918
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:56.199
almost it was like if there was three or four

919
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:59.719
people talking one hundred yards away from you, and you

920
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.400
can language and words, but you couldn't discern what they

921
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:07.159
were talking about. And it was getting louder, and it

922
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.559
came out almost to the power line, and it was

923
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.719
about dark, and they just hung up there and I

924
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:15.760
could just hear his mumbling and indiscernible language, just voices

925
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:20.159
and mumbling, and it sounded like three or four different voices,

926
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.119
but it never came out on the power line. That

927
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:26.400
got dark. So I headed out and I met up

928
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.000
with my buddy and I asked him if he heard

929
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.199
voices down and below him. He said yeah, he said,

930
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:33.920
I don't know what that was, and he said they

931
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:37.000
came past him, and then my son. We met up

932
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:41.280
with my son, he heard the same thing. So obviously

933
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.000
with the woodknock and the that was the first time

934
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.679
I heard any kind of vocalizations like that where there

935
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:48.840
it was like a language, and so that kind of

936
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:52.760
freaked us out and we left and let's see, So

937
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.840
that was in what October I think of twenty two

938
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:04.760
and let's see, so there was you know, I don't

939
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.199
want to get into every encounter, but so then that

940
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.480
kind of fasts forwards me to December of that year

941
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.320
and we had we were in there. It was like

942
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.000
one of the last actually it was January, so it

943
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:20.880
was like one of the last days of flintlock season

944
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.440
and there was snow on the ground and my friend

945
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:26.880
or me and my son, we were in there hunting

946
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.760
and I did a little push for him, and I

947
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.079
was coming out at the end of the day and

948
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:35.320
it was about dark, and you can tell when these

949
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:39.159
things are around, and there's like a there's a pressure

950
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:43.599
in the air, there's a it's hard to describe, but

951
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.000
it's honestly, the best way I could describe it is

952
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:49.760
if you were out to a nice restaurant and he

953
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:55.400
got silverware clinking and glasses clanking and people talking and

954
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.280
it's normal, and then a guy stood up in a

955
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.360
restaurant and screamed at some buddy and freaked out and

956
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.519
yelled at somebody as why or whoever I got into

957
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.360
an arguing with somebody and then sat down and how

958
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.800
it would just be dead quiet, in there and there

959
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:12.079
would just be a pressure in the air, like of anxiety,

960
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.159
because this guy just yelled. And you know, that's the

961
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.280
only way I could really describe it, is there's a

962
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.960
pressure in the air and it's just dead quiet, and

963
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.480
I'm walking out of the woods and it was about

964
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:27.039
dark and I just got out to this path and

965
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.039
I walked past this point. As soon as I got

966
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.559
past this point, literally maybe ten twenty yards off to

967
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:36.800
my right, just inside the woods line, something took me.

968
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.760
It was multiple ones of them and just breaking branches,

969
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.400
breaking trees. It started right next to me and went

970
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.440
away from me, and it just, you know, I've been

971
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.159
hot all my life. It wasn't a deer, it wasn't

972
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.679
a bear. It was something large, and it was like

973
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.880
the Halloween night thing, just pushing trees over, big trees,

974
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.840
breaking and that kind of freaked me out. And so

975
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.280
so that was one of the last things that happened

976
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:05.480
in twenty twenty two. And we go to last year

977
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:14.239
and it started normal upper archery season, hoots, howlers, and

978
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.679
so we get to October. It was actually a year

979
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:19.800
ago today. It was on Halloween. I don't know a lot.

980
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.360
For some reason, a lot of things happened to me

981
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.480
on Halloween, and so a year ago today, I was

982
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:32.239
up there and we were archery hunting for bear and hunted.

983
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:36.880
The morning uneventful, and in the evening my son and

984
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.360
I were hunting. He was in a cut. We were there.

985
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.960
There's these thickets to go roll over this hill. So

986
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:44.199
he was in the first cut of hardwoods and there's a

987
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:46.119
thick up between us and I was in the second

988
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:50.599
cut of hardwoods, and I saw two bears. They came

989
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.519
up the cut straight to me, and I ended up

990
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.719
getting the one. And so I got one in archery season.

991
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.920
Why it only went about forty yards, laid over and died,

992
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.920
and I just knew it's just my son came over

993
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.960
to me. We crossed. We feel dressed to the bear,

994
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.039
and I just kneved. I just feel the pressure. I

995
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:12.440
just knew they were there. I knew they were watching us.

996
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.639
And so I called a couple of my buddies to

997
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:17.880
come help us get this the bear out because it's

998
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.000
pretty good hike back in there. We feel dressed to bear.

999
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.559
I laid it out and cool and we wiped. Me

1000
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.840
and my son. We walked back to the truck. We

1001
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.880
get back to the truck, and my son had to

1002
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:31.960
answer a couple of emails to a coach for a

1003
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.079
baseball coach. So he jumped in the truck and I

1004
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:36.519
was putting stuff in the back of the in the

1005
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:39.320
bed of the truck and pulling the sled out because

1006
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.639
out here we haullered deer and bear and a jet

1007
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.719
sled and it works out pretty well, it's and then

1008
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:47.599
it's a lot better in my cart. And so I'm

1009
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:50.119
getting the jet sled out and we're waiting for or

1010
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:51.760
my other two buddies to show up to give us

1011
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:57.840
a hand and I and so there's a gaswell field

1012
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:02.880
close to where we park and I'm standing there and

1013
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:06.760
there was three of them in this gasswell field in

1014
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.199
the middle of the field. I didn't see them, it

1015
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:12.159
was too dark. And so from like right to left,

1016
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:18.800
the first one hooted, the second one whistled, and then

1017
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:23.559
the third one. So we bear hunt in Pennsylvania. You're

1018
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:28.800
not allowed to use dogs, bait anything. You basically have

1019
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.559
to put drives on and drive the bears out of thickets.

1020
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.480
You aren't allowed to use any kind of devices anything.

1021
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.679
So we have a group of twenty guys when we

1022
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.280
a bear hunt, so you like you push ten and

1023
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:43.480
post ten and try to drive the bears out of

1024
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.840
the thickets. And they have their own thing. Some guys whistle,

1025
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.400
some guys say, hey bears. Some guys they do their

1026
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:53.800
own thing. So when I go through the thickets, I

1027
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:59.840
go whoo, whoo. I got And so I'm sitting there

1028
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.079
and I hear these three things in the Gaswell field.

1029
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.119
The first one he whistled, the middle one hooted, and

1030
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:10.280
in the end one went like what I do when

1031
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:11.960
I'm bear hunting. And I was like, he was like

1032
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.159
mimicking what I do when we're bear hunting, and I

1033
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.559
thought that was pretty crazy. Obviously. Somehow, I'm pretty you know,

1034
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:21.559
freaked out because we have to go back in the

1035
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.079
woods and get my bear. I know they're there now

1036
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:27.960
for sure. So it was only five minutes after that,

1037
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:31.320
and that's all he did was them three vocalizations. And

1038
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:35.079
my two buddies show up and Snyder's four of us,

1039
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.360
and I told him what just happened in the Gaswell field.

1040
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.440
And you know, I was half thinking when we got

1041
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:42.960
back to the bear wasn't even going to be there.

1042
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.400
But so he went in there and I got back

1043
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.760
to the bear and it was there, it wasn't touched,

1044
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:52.119
and threw it in a sled, drug it out and

1045
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:56.000
nothing else happened the whole way out and and it

1046
00:58:56.079 --> 00:59:01.679
was all good. Fast forward to January of last year

1047
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.159
is another highlight. It was again one of the last

1048
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.199
days of flintlock season, and we were hunting in a spot.

1049
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:13.679
We're the deer yard up, and it's about it's closer

1050
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.039
to my cabin. Actually, it's only maybe five miles from

1051
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:20.519
my cabin, so it's about fifteen miles fourteen thirteen miles

1052
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:25.800
from where most of this stuff has been happening. And

1053
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:31.199
so this is the first time they followed us somewhere

1054
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.840
else other than that valley and showed up somewhere else.

1055
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.280
And I'll tell you what it was last year, and

1056
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:45.280
Jane's I guess it would be it'd have been this January. Yeah,

1057
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.000
it'd have been January twenty four. The Steelers were in

1058
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.360
the playoffs. It was day the Steelers playoff game, and

1059
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.280
we were at me and my son were upper hunting

1060
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:56.360
and we had a spot and we got to figure

1061
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:57.880
it out pretty good, and it's we're all the deer

1062
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.440
yard up and it could be forty deer down in there,

1063
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:05.480
and we know how to send somebody in one spot

1064
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.800
and where they run to. So we send one guy

1065
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.360
to where they run to, and one guy goes in,

1066
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:11.320
and you know, it's like a two man plus we

1067
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:13.960
know where they go. And so my son went out

1068
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.719
to where they run and as he's walking out there,

1069
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:22.000
he came on the radio. He says, did you hear

1070
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:23.840
those wooden blocks?

1071
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.320
I'm like, no big for society, who will be right

1072
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:28.760
back after these messages?

1073
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.559
And I didn't, And then he said he heard the

1074
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:50.320
fake isle hoots. I'm like, well, I guess they're in here,

1075
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:56.360
but just keep heading out there. And so the deer.

1076
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.119
We bumped the deer and they run to where we

1077
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.760
thought they would. And I'm the couple and my son

1078
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:06.800
he shot one. He shot it though, and this is

1079
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.840
probably ten o'clock in the morning or so, and so

1080
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.039
I go up to him and we started feel dressing

1081
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.440
the deer and he shot it right through the heart.

1082
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:18.960
And we usually keep the heart and eat it, and

1083
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:20.599
he shot it right through the heart, so we weren't

1084
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:22.280
keeping it. And I said, you know what, I says,

1085
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.519
I said, they're here. I says, put the heart up

1086
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.840
on that log, and there was a horizontal log. It

1087
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.320
was his deadfall, and we set it up on that

1088
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:34.599
log and there was there was probably almost the foot

1089
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.079
of about his foot of snow, so there was maybe

1090
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.599
eight ten inches of powder, then an inch or crust

1091
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:44.199
where each footfall you stood, you took a step and

1092
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.119
you huvered there for a second and you broke through

1093
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:49.199
the crust, and then there was maybe two inches of

1094
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.800
fresh snow on top of that. So we processed the

1095
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.719
deer and we called his buddy and he was on

1096
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.159
his way up to hunt the afternoon, and had him

1097
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:01.639
grabbed the jets led and meet us halfway back dragging

1098
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.159
the deer. So he processed the deer, put the heart

1099
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:06.840
up on a log, and left the liver and all

1100
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:11.880
the internal organs there. Again, there was fresh two inches

1101
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:14.360
of powder on top of the one inch across the ice,

1102
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:18.440
and the only footprints there was our footprints, obviously, and

1103
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.639
then the deer prints. And so we started dragging the

1104
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:23.800
deer out. We meet up with his buddy, drag it

1105
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.719
back to the truck, and my plan was to leave

1106
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:29.719
about two o'clock and go home watch a Steeler game.

1107
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.320
His buddy comes we get the jets throat and drag

1108
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.679
it back to the truck and we're standing at the

1109
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:38.840
truck at the parking lot and up the hill in

1110
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:44.199
the hemlocks starts the fake out hoots, Like I mean

1111
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.599
their vocalization, I say, their out hoops, but they're not

1112
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:51.480
even they're not even out hoods there their vocalizations. And

1113
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:53.400
so I was like, I'm leaving to go watch this.

1114
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:55.199
And I said, I think my son and his buddy

1115
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:56.920
would stay there, but they did. I said, you guys,

1116
01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:59.639
he said, yeah, we're going in there. I was like, okay,

1117
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.559
if you want to go ahead, I said to make

1118
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:04.039
sure you call me soon as get out of the woods.

1119
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:08.280
It gets started, and so I left and I just

1120
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.000
felt uneasy even leaving because they were I just they

1121
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.039
were there. I just and I don't think nothing's going

1122
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:14.679
to happen. I don't think they mean us no harm,

1123
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.639
but you just don't never know. And so they went

1124
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.519
in the woods and I drove off and I tried

1125
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.920
to call them, but they had no service because where

1126
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.800
they are, and so I ended up coming home. And

1127
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.679
so it was pretty well after dark and I'm waiting

1128
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.199
for my son to call and I guess it took

1129
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:34.000
him a while because they had no service time where

1130
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.400
they were, and he calls me back on their way home,

1131
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:39.920
and he says, you ain't gonna believe what happened. I

1132
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:43.079
was like, what happened? He says. He said, they got

1133
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:47.880
into deer again, and they and the deer ran to

1134
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.760
where the same spot where he always do and they

1135
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.239
ran to where he shot the deer earlier in the morning.

1136
01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.159
And he says they chased the deer in there, they

1137
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:00.960
ain't get one, and he was trying to get on

1138
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:04.079
for his buddy, and said they ended up going past

1139
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:08.119
where he processed the deer. He got in the morning

1140
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.320
and put the heart on the log, and he says

1141
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.719
the heart was gone. He says the heart and the

1142
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:18.920
liver were both gone. He says there was no coyote tracks,

1143
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.440
There was no bird tracks. There wasn't The liver was

1144
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:26.320
still attached to the gut pile, and there was no

1145
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.599
bird tracks, no coyote tracks, no other human tracks, nothing.

1146
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.880
Just it was gone. And the liver, like I said,

1147
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.039
liver was attached, so it wasn't like a bird came

1148
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:38.840
down and pecked at it. There was no specs of it.

1149
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.840
Was nothing like that. It just disappeared with no tracks.

1150
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.880
And so they were heading out it was getting dark,

1151
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:49.880
and he said they were probably about three hundred yards

1152
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:55.639
from the truck and he heard a loud scream, slash,

1153
01:04:55.800 --> 01:05:01.159
yell come down near the creek below them. So they

1154
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.079
took the pace up, and as they approached the truck,

1155
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.360
it did it again, right behind the truck in a

1156
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:12.760
fixed stand to hemlocks. And so that was pretty much

1157
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:16.760
it except what I got one more so I never

1158
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.199
searched these things out. So after that happened, we were

1159
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:28.360
up there late season seasant hunting, and so right at dark,

1160
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.480
coming out, I had a fake ol hoot and this

1161
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.599
thing it was a long, it was a long vocalization

1162
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:37.440
and it started out like a hoop and then almost

1163
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:42.840
laughter at the end, like it was laughing. And so

1164
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:46.480
this was the first time I decided to not necessarily

1165
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:52.360
search them out, but make myself available after dark, not

1166
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:58.000
really in a hunting situation. So after that, I drove

1167
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.679
to where most of this stuff happened. It's about three

1168
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.000
miles up the road, and I back in there and

1169
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:08.960
I park and I just I wasn't, you know, making

1170
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.719
any noises. Hoop and holler, and I just was sitting

1171
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:14.559
in my truck with the window down, close to where

1172
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.400
I call this ground zero, and I sat there for

1173
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.199
a while and I just forgot I sit there for

1174
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:22.480
a half iron and see if anything happens. And sure enough,

1175
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:26.559
I was there maybe fifteen minutes, and I heard it

1176
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:31.239
was my call, my off in the distance, so that

1177
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:34.400
that kind of makes your hair stand on end. And

1178
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.280
I'm sitting there, and a couple minutes later and it

1179
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.639
did it again, but it was only maybe I don't know,

1180
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:43.400
forty yards in the woods, right outside my driver's door,

1181
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:48.719
and I'm freaked out and I'm listening and I can

1182
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:52.280
hear down in the valley. It almost sounded like one

1183
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:56.400
of our drives, and it sounded like different vocalizations and

1184
01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:59.920
hollers and coming, and it like it was going away.

1185
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.679
It wasn't loud enough to catch on like an audio recording,

1186
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.280
but you can hear it down in the valley, and

1187
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:08.199
it was going away from me, and it got quieter

1188
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.760
or quieter until it was but it was just like

1189
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.960
somebody doing a drive. And so I'm sitting there and

1190
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.880
I was freaked out by it, and I didn't hear

1191
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.000
anything else close to me. The two vocalizations I heard

1192
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:24.119
close and it was quiet, and then out of nowhere,

1193
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:28.760
probably ten yards off my left front fender, I hear

1194
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:35.239
three heavy footfalls, the least crunch and sticks breaking under

1195
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:39.400
the foot. And this thing, obviously it didn't approach. I

1196
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:41.199
would have heard it coming from a ways off. It

1197
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:43.519
was dead quiet. It was a cloudy night, so it

1198
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.480
wasn't like a starlit night or moonlit night. It was dark.

1199
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:49.679
And so that kind of freaked me out for this

1200
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:51.639
thing to take three steps that close to my truck.

1201
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.960
And I've been struggling with actually coming face to face

1202
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:58.119
with one of these things and seeing something I can

1203
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:02.360
unsee and struggling with do I want to see it?

1204
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.320
Do I not want to see it? And so this

1205
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:07.880
thing was right outside my door, and I had a

1206
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:10.519
flashlight in my lap, and I just couldn't bring myself

1207
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:13.239
to shine the light. I just couldn't. I just I

1208
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:16.560
couldn't do it because it freaked me out. I put

1209
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:19.079
my window up three quarters of away, started the truck up,

1210
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.359
and I thought that maybe where my headlights were pointing

1211
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:24.359
it was off to the left a little bit. I thought,

1212
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:26.479
maybe there's a residual light would light it up enough,

1213
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.399
but I didn't see anything. So I sat there for

1214
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:35.439
a minute, and I decided, I'm just struggling with seeing

1215
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:37.520
one or not seeing one. So I shut my truck

1216
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:41.560
back off, put my window back down, and sat there

1217
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:46.680
another five minutes or so. And then there was footsteps

1218
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:49.319
right at the back of my truck or my left

1219
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:53.479
my driver's tail light would be, and that freaked me

1220
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:55.760
out because that was even closer than it was right

1221
01:08:55.800 --> 01:09:00.159
outside my door. So I started my truck up. And

1222
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.920
I have a twenty three f three fifty, so most

1223
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:05.479
newer vehicles, this is one of the freaky things here,

1224
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:09.680
most newer vehicles. I'm not talking about your reverse sensors

1225
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.640
and your bumper. I'm talking about your your blind spot

1226
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.399
warning light that comes on in your mirror, the little

1227
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.439
orange light that lights up that shows somebody's in your

1228
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:21.279
blind spot if somebody's passing you, or you're passing somebody

1229
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:24.039
on a highway. And when you start your vehicle up,

1230
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:27.000
both lights turn on, they prove out to go, and

1231
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:29.319
then they prove out for maybe a second or two,

1232
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.439
and they both go off. And I wasn't paying no

1233
01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:35.720
mind to that, but that's just how it works. And

1234
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:38.119
so when this thing, I have heard your footsteps right

1235
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:40.039
behind the quarter panel off the left tail light in

1236
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:42.840
my truck. I started my truck up, put my window up,

1237
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.560
and both lights proved out and they both went off.

1238
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:50.000
And I'm sitting there and I threw the reverse and

1239
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.079
I was getting ready to leave, and I'm looking in

1240
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.439
the tail light glow in my truck, the tail lights,

1241
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:57.039
and I don't see anything. And as I'm looking at

1242
01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.279
my mirror that blind spot, that orange light come on.

1243
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:04.520
And I look over at the passenger mirror and that

1244
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:06.640
one's not on. And I look at the three hours

1245
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:10.319
mirror again that light's glowing. So that freaked me out.

1246
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:14.520
So that told me something is right there within ten

1247
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.039
feet of my truck. And I'm looking, like I said,

1248
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:19.319
it was a dark knight, and it was cloudy, those stars,

1249
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:22.159
no moon, but with the glow of the tail light,

1250
01:10:22.239 --> 01:10:24.520
I couldn't see anything. It had to be right there,

1251
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.439
and a human being can't turn that blind spot mirror

1252
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.239
on or the blind spotlight on. It has to be

1253
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:33.800
something with I don't know what these things are, but

1254
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:36.880
there's some kind of energy or a mass to them

1255
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.840
or what I know they manipulate with electronics. They've manipulated

1256
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.960
my phone, killed my phone batteries, all that stuff. But

1257
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.079
whatever they did, whether it was their physical being, the

1258
01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:52.000
mass of them, the energy, whatever, they turned that light on.

1259
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:54.359
They were standing right next to my truck. So I said,

1260
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:56.720
that kind of freaked me out. I was. I put

1261
01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:59.319
it it was in reverse. I backed up back onto

1262
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:01.840
the gravel road and started down the road and that

1263
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.039
light didn't go out for probably one hundred feet down

1264
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:06.840
the road, and I just I went home because I

1265
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:08.920
was freaked out because to be that I want to

1266
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:11.079
see one, but I'd like to see one from two

1267
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:13.479
hundred yards away first. And so that was the first

1268
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.479
time I, like I said, I'm not a researcher. I

1269
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:19.880
don't go in the woods looking for these things. But

1270
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:22.840
that was the first time I made my slave self

1271
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:27.399
available after hunting hours and just to see what would happen.

1272
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:31.119
And that was then the last year, or no, that

1273
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:33.119
was beginning of this year, so that wasn't like in

1274
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.840
January of twenty four that was pretty much yet and

1275
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:39.159
then nothing happens. I don't really go upduring the summertime

1276
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:42.319
too much, especially in the evening. There's an other than

1277
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:44.600
Spring Turkey. We had a couple of things happening in

1278
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:47.520
Spring Turkey, the oulhoots and stuff. We were up there

1279
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:50.880
a couple of times in May, but pretty much wasn't

1280
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:54.680
up there all summer except for a couple of times.

1281
01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:58.399
I was coming back from runs from Virginia and I

1282
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.680
stopped and just parked where a lot of stuff happens.

1283
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:06.960
And I think just about every time I stopped, something happened,

1284
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:11.239
and but my old vocalizations and no ice sightings or nothing.

1285
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:17.119
And the last time, so I really made my mind

1286
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.359
up I want to see one. And it seems like

1287
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:23.199
it's almost, you know, I don't want to say we're friends.

1288
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.720
It's a it's not an aggressive encounters that. So they

1289
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:28.439
let me know they're there, and they know I'm here,

1290
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.800
and they dance around me pretty much. And I made

1291
01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:33.159
up my mind I want to see one. And I

1292
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:34.800
was sitting on a taligate in my truck and a

1293
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.479
lot of times I do have this eight arm with

1294
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.159
me or my phone or whatever. So this was about

1295
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.439
a month ago, and I left everything in the truck

1296
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:42.920
and I was sitting on a taligate of my truck

1297
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:46.039
and they were around me, and they came and went

1298
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:51.640
in closed further away. This went on for probably an

1299
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:54.479
hour and a half two hours, where the isle hooting

1300
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.960
the hallers imitating my haulers, and they come and go,

1301
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:04.279
and they came in really close at about ten o'clock

1302
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:06.960
at night, and they were coming in close. They were

1303
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.000
just out of sight and they were all doing the

1304
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.520
ooe hoots, and there was at least one, two, at

1305
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:16.560
least four, maybe five of them, I think four, And

1306
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:18.479
there was one down in the hemlocks down to the

1307
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:22.079
left of me, down in the bottom, and it was

1308
01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:25.000
further away, and they were all doing the oloe hoods

1309
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:29.239
and whatnot am I and imitating me, and so it

1310
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.399
was all good. And then one, the one down in

1311
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:34.840
the hemlocks in the bottom, it didn't do the bloody

1312
01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:39.399
you know woman's scream. It did almost like a pterodactyl scream.

1313
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:41.239
It was, but it was a high pitched voice, like

1314
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:43.239
it was a young one. Like I don't know how

1315
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.560
to describe it. There's different tones of all these things.

1316
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.239
There's different it's hard to explain less you hear all

1317
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:51.640
these things. But it definitely sounded like a juvenile, like

1318
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:54.960
a higher pitch voice. So that kind of freaked me out,

1319
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:58.439
and it was a scream and it did it, and

1320
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:02.520
then it did it like thirty seconds later, and it

1321
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:04.960
was like instead of being say two hundred yards away,

1322
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:06.880
it was like fifty yards away, and it did it again.

1323
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.800
And then after it did it that second time, it

1324
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:11.800
just got it got did quiet. There was no more

1325
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:16.560
vocalizations whatsoever. And that was it and nothing else happened

1326
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.439
that night. And the feeling I got was it was

1327
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:21.800
like a really young one and it was trying to

1328
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:25.439
scare me, to show what it can do. And I

1329
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:27.520
know this stuff sounds crazy, and if I would hear

1330
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:31.319
somebody giving us interview five years ago, I'd say, you're nuts.

1331
01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:34.359
But believe me, there's different levels to this, and I

1332
01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:38.520
think personally everybody kind of starts at the same level.

1333
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:42.600
If you have a road crossing visual or one encounter

1334
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.000
or two encounters, you know, I was in the it's

1335
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.439
a missing link thing forever. But the more encounters you have,

1336
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:52.800
the more questions, the more first hand encounters you have

1337
01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:57.000
and realize that these things they have special powers that

1338
01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.760
we don't understand and they can do things that we

1339
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.920
don't understand. And the more you get into it, the

1340
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:07.079
more encounters you have that that solidifies it for you

1341
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:10.319
where it's just it's not just the physical being, be

1342
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.920
it spiritual in our dimensional. Whatever they are, I don't know,

1343
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:17.520
but they have powers that we can't understand, and they

1344
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:19.680
can do things we don't understand. They can leave footprints

1345
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:20.720
where and when they want.

1346
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:23.880
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1347
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:43.119
They can make footfalls where and when they want. I've

1348
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.880
listened to these things, I know. And that was about

1349
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.239
a month ago this a month ago this year. And

1350
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:54.560
so so my dog wasn't doing good and she was

1351
01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.239
on her last leg, and we were getting ready to

1352
01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.960
go to Colorado, l Hunton, and so the one property

1353
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:02.680
we have up the mountains there, I have an old

1354
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.760
back up and I use it maybe once a year.

1355
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:07.640
And every time I use this thing, it blows a

1356
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:10.439
hydraulic line because it just sits all the time. So

1357
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:13.640
my dog was really doing bad. She couldn't get up,

1358
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:16.079
she couldn't go outside. I thought it was within a

1359
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.640
day or two of we actually called the vet and

1360
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:22.000
saw about having to put her down. And so I

1361
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.640
went up there and I wanted to take care of

1362
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:26.960
the whole before something to happen to her, i't want

1363
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:29.199
to blow a hydraulic line and take two days to

1364
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.479
fix the thing in the whole nine hours. So I

1365
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:34.479
go up there and I get the bacco running and

1366
01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:37.000
I'm digging a hole. Sure enough, I get eighty percent

1367
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:40.680
done digging the hole, and that blows the line. I

1368
01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:42.640
go into town, get a line made, come back, and

1369
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:49.520
I finish right and dark, and so I shut the

1370
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:53.520
bacco down, shut it, close it up, and I walk

1371
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:55.079
around the front of the back of which is right

1372
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.560
up my cabin, and I hear voices down in the woods,

1373
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.520
and it's nothing but woods behind the cap. It just

1374
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:04.119
it goes forever. And I hear voices coming towards me,

1375
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:07.680
and it's the mumbling. It's the indiscernible language. And I'm

1376
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.720
obviously I'm sad. I'm digging a grave for my dog,

1377
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:12.319
and I hear these voices coming towards me, and it's

1378
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.039
just like that, You know that one day we were

1379
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:18.720
hunting with my buddy, and we heard that undiscernible language,

1380
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:22.520
the mumbling and the conversation, and they came within prorabably

1381
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:25.199
forty yards of me, or so fifty yards, and they

1382
01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:27.279
hung up there and they were just sitting there like

1383
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:31.600
doing their language talking, and I'm freaked out. It's dark,

1384
01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:35.319
and so I was. I ended up. I was staying

1385
01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:37.560
up there that night at the cabin. I sat by

1386
01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:39.960
the fire till by eleven o'clock at night, and they

1387
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:41.880
were pretty much around me all night, none of the

1388
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:46.319
no more language or anything but the holes boots imitating

1389
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:50.680
my holler thing. But it was uneventful other than that.

1390
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:54.800
And at this point, this is like second nature stuff.

1391
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.640
It happens all the time. And so I said a

1392
01:17:57.640 --> 01:17:59.920
couple of prayers for my dog and whatnot, and one

1393
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.720
home and we changed so we could to give them

1394
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.199
her dog food and Co Marshall dog food is just

1395
01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:08.960
bad for dogs. There's a lot of fillers and chemicals

1396
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:11.640
and them things that give them cancer and tumors and

1397
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:15.640
just it's bad. So she was still eating and drinking,

1398
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:19.680
and so we gave her a steak, and the next

1399
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.199
day she parked up a little bit. Whether it be

1400
01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:24.720
from the steak or prayers, I don't know, but so

1401
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:27.600
as she actually then we gave her some chicken and

1402
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.239
some rice and start feeding her people food, and within

1403
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:34.239
the day she was back to I mean, she's she

1404
01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:36.399
has hip problems getting around, but she still walks and

1405
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:37.760
goes up and I and we walk up and down

1406
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:40.279
the street and she got back to where she was

1407
01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:42.960
for the past eight months or so, walking fine, going outside,

1408
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:47.680
and she totally turned around. So we were getting ready

1409
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:51.800
to go to Colorado elk Compton, and I obviously I

1410
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.640
had that hole open up the mountains and at the cabin,

1411
01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.600
and I didn't want to leave that open to fill

1412
01:18:58.640 --> 01:19:01.079
with water while we were going, and who knows how

1413
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.960
long it would be. So I went up there and

1414
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:08.439
I put a tarpo over the hole, a big tarp

1415
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:12.039
and that's like a twenty by thirty tarp. And so

1416
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:13.600
once I did that, I went down to where I

1417
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:16.880
heard the language a few days before, behind the cabin.

1418
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:20.560
And I walked down there and there's a big mossy

1419
01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:22.800
old red oak there. It was about like a two

1420
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:28.279
inch carpet of moss on it. And there was a

1421
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.680
spot right where the voices were coming from where the

1422
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:34.159
moss was picked off the top of the log, and

1423
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:36.880
like maybe a foot and a half square area on

1424
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:39.399
top of the log, and there was moss on both

1425
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:43.600
sides of the log, and everything's covered with moss. The rocks,

1426
01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:47.199
the boulders, a lot of the trees or dead fall,

1427
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:50.439
they're rotten there. And right where the voices were coming

1428
01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:52.479
from was a spot where it was just it was

1429
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:55.800
picked down to the bear wood and yet home from

1430
01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:58.840
time to time hunting where a bear dragged its belly

1431
01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:02.359
over a mossy. But that carpet of moss flops over

1432
01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.800
to one side of the log where it's where a

1433
01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:07.560
drug and spelly. This was picked at, and there was

1434
01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:10.319
like almost like chunks of broccoli on both sides of

1435
01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:13.239
the log. And so I jumped on the other side

1436
01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:17.399
of the log and I'm looking and there was three footprints.

1437
01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:21.039
You can see them. And so this was like four

1438
01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:24.600
days had gone by since this happened, and but you

1439
01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:27.079
can I move some leaves and you can see the footprints.

1440
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:30.479
You can see three different footprints, and the one pretty good.

1441
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.119
You can see the depth of the impression in the soil,

1442
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:36.760
and the leaves were smashed, and you can actually see

1443
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:40.800
where when it went to take a step and midway

1444
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:44.840
a footprint, it heaved up a little bit. And I

1445
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:49.680
have video and pictures of that, and I thought that

1446
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:54.159
was pretty amazing. And so then we go to so

1447
01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:57.000
my dog's doing better, and so we go to Colorado,

1448
01:20:57.159 --> 01:20:59.640
and I've had things happen in carl I went to

1449
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:01.640
Colorado to oil counton last year for the first time

1450
01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:03.319
in my life, and I wish I had done it

1451
01:21:03.359 --> 01:21:06.640
thirty years ago. And I had some things happened last

1452
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:11.359
year with vocalizations. And last year in Colorado was the

1453
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:14.319
first time I and that's the only place I've ever

1454
01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:18.880
heard whoops where I go, whoop whoop, And that's the

1455
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.800
first place or last year was the first time I

1456
01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:23.760
ever heard that. So and I had some trees pushed

1457
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:26.680
over last year and different things. But we go hunting there.

1458
01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:30.399
It was three weeks ago where we're there. And so

1459
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.720
the first night I get there and my son and

1460
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:36.000
his buddy they were The season started on the twelfth,

1461
01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:41.199
on a Saturday. So I got there on Wednesday, and

1462
01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.960
we've made base camp out of my transport trailer and

1463
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:47.760
we set cots up in there, and then I was

1464
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:51.119
I got there right at dark on Wednesday, and I

1465
01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:54.520
was setting it easy up up behind the trailer for

1466
01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:58.600
put tables up for kitchen and whatnot and to cook on,

1467
01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:01.680
and like we put three walls around it to close

1468
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:04.640
it from brain and wind, and so I'm pounding the

1469
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:06.960
ten stakes in to the holes of the legs that

1470
01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:12.640
are easy up and bang and in the canyon right

1471
01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:16.000
so our camp is basically on a hog's back, where

1472
01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.560
there's a canyon on either side of us. In the canyon,

1473
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.239
and the hogs back runs out back behind camp probably

1474
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:25.479
three two three hundred yards and a Peter's out rolls

1475
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:28.880
over into where the two canyons come together. And so

1476
01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.479
I'm beating the ten stakes into the easy up legs

1477
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:35.600
and something in the canyon right next to me is

1478
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:38.119
almost in imitating me. At first, I thought it was

1479
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:42.560
another guy on the next ridge, maybe setting up a tent,

1480
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:44.800
because it was imitating me. It was like bang, it

1481
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:48.880
sounded like a hammer hitting ten stakes, and so I

1482
01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:51.319
didn't think too much about it. And then I finished staking

1483
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:54.359
the easy up down and I walk over and I

1484
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:56.399
just walked out a little bit to look over to

1485
01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:59.800
the other ridge, and it was dark. It was pitch black,

1486
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.520
and there there was no way there, and it's I

1487
01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:05.600
don't know, four hundred yards away, three hundred yards away,

1488
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:08.000
but there was no one over. There's no lights I

1489
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:10.880
could see, and I could hear no other noises and

1490
01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:12.760
that's I went about my business setting up tables and

1491
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.479
stuff and getting ready, and I got everything else set up,

1492
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:17.800
and I had a fire going, and I'm sitting by

1493
01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:20.039
the fire. And then in the same in the canyon

1494
01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:23.079
where the same tense the hammers were coming from, I

1495
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:26.800
hear rocks being banged together like rock clocks. And I

1496
01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:28.600
never heard this before. This first time I ever heard this.

1497
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:32.680
It sounded like and it wasn't a rhythm or cadence

1498
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.159
to it. It was just random, like a bang and

1499
01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:38.439
maybe a bang bang, and it was just no rhythm,

1500
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:41.199
no nothing, just but it sounded like two somebody down

1501
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:44.920
there with two river rocks banging two rocks together. So

1502
01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.880
listened to that for a while and then went to bed.

1503
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:52.840
Nothing happened. I went and picked Mark and his buddy

1504
01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:55.000
up from the airport of Denver the next day at

1505
01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:59.279
two o'clock, got back at dark, and the elk kind

1506
01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:01.600
of the next couple of days got into some elk

1507
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:05.159
couldn't get a shot, and so they wanted to go

1508
01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:08.640
up into the wilderness area where there's no it's just

1509
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:13.039
it's foot travel. It's in a different unit. And so,

1510
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:16.199
just to give you a general idea, we were in

1511
01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.920
Western colle We were north of Glenwood Springs and there's

1512
01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:22.800
a I think a s White River National Forest up

1513
01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:25.199
above there at north of there, so we were up

1514
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:29.199
in there. So they wanted to go up into the

1515
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:32.119
unit above us and the camp in the wilderness area

1516
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:36.159
out of teepee tent with a wood burner and whatnot

1517
01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:40.119
right on the ground. So I think we hunted around

1518
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:42.319
camp two days, so that would be Saturday. So so

1519
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:45.720
Monday we headed up there and it's and they spotted elk.

1520
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.239
There's a deep gorge and they spotted elk. A doesnt

1521
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:51.000
elk on the other side of the gorge, but to

1522
01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:52.640
get on the other side of the gorge, it's a

1523
01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:56.279
thirty mile drive up around the head of the gorge

1524
01:24:56.600 --> 01:24:58.760
and back to the other side to get close toward

1525
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:03.000
hiss elkore up her on Monday and we hunted in

1526
01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:06.279
the morning and then at midday we set up the

1527
01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:08.960
tent and we found a decent spot to set up

1528
01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:12.279
the tent and make a base camp for the tepee tent.

1529
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:15.399
And now we went off and hunted, tried to get

1530
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:17.840
close to where they glassed the elk from the other

1531
01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:20.960
side of the gorge the day before, and like I said,

1532
01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:24.079
they when marked the last them. We were about three

1533
01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.479
miles away from the elk across the gorge. Then we

1534
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.159
had drive thirty miles around the head of the gorge

1535
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:33.199
to come down the other side.

1536
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:32.760
And.

1537
01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:37.520
So we went hunting. He actually going into this dark

1538
01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:41.000
timber to go over to this rock face to look

1539
01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:46.279
into the base, and he booted a kyle and it

1540
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:48.840
was standing in the open, and he didn't realize that

1541
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:50.399
there was a big bull right behind her. But he

1542
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.880
couldn't see the bull because of the cedars behind it,

1543
01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:58.680
and so he backed out and went back into the

1544
01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:00.319
field and watched the edge of the field. He didn't

1545
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.560
want to blow them out of the timber and spook

1546
01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:07.039
him anymore and save it for the next morning. So

1547
01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:11.279
he backed out and I was still out over a

1548
01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:15.680
different rock face looking over his other basin, And so

1549
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:17.199
it was getting to be about dark and I was

1550
01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.359
just starting to make my way out, and they were

1551
01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.920
close to the truck a couple hundred yards away near

1552
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:27.960
the road, and he gets on the radio and calls

1553
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.479
me and says, here's and I never heard this before,

1554
01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:34.640
and he said, they're right behind them across the road

1555
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:39.359
in the timber, they heard like Indian drums and they

1556
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:41.680
said it was He said, you know, just like if

1557
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:44.520
you're listening to watching a Cowboy movie and the war

1558
01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:48.760
party is getting ready to just Indian drums. And I said,

1559
01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:50.800
I don't know. I said, he's asking me if it

1560
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:52.760
could be a moose or size like, no, I ain't

1561
01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:55.840
the move so and he's explained to me, it's sounds

1562
01:26:55.880 --> 01:27:00.880
just like Indians. Somebody beating on drums. And I made

1563
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:03.680
my way out, didn't hear the Indian drums. But we

1564
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.960
meet it the truck. We go back to the tent

1565
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:10.039
and we made some food and some of them ready

1566
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:15.239
to eat meals and cleaning up, and his buddy was

1567
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:18.359
in the tent already and I me and my son

1568
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:22.319
were finishing up and we hear the fake out hoots

1569
01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:26.800
coming towards us to a timber. And so the one

1570
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:30.960
was hooting, I go, and the ollow one was just

1571
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.520
a how, almost more of almost like a how across

1572
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:36.279
between a hoot and how. And then there was a

1573
01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:40.640
third one way off. It was doing some vocalizations. So

1574
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.720
they came closer and closer, and they were when they

1575
01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:45.920
come in, they stayed just in the timber line, just

1576
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.760
out of sight. And I freaked this out because we're

1577
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:52.039
in the middle of nowhere. We're miles from anywhere. And

1578
01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:55.560
like I said, when they say you're tagged, were tagged

1579
01:27:55.720 --> 01:28:00.439
because we have different encounters in different states, different places

1580
01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:03.840
now around where we hunt at home, and you know,

1581
01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:07.119
so much has happened in the past three years or

1582
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:10.000
four years that it's I get it makes their hair

1583
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:11.960
stand on end. But you've know in the back of

1584
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:15.640
your mind that nothing's going to happen. But there's always that,

1585
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:19.079
you know, from listening to different people's encounters, you know,

1586
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:21.680
there's always the ones out there that they're aggressive, and

1587
01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:24.640
so you never know we're gonna run into that. You know,

1588
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:28.359
just about all our encounters are pretty much dossile and

1589
01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:31.439
just vocalizations and almost pay we're here kind of things.

1590
01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:35.199
And that went on for I don't know, maybe fifteen

1591
01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.239
minutes or so, and then they you know, you can

1592
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:40.479
hear they just you know, make their way off into

1593
01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.079
the distance and they were gone and nothing else happened

1594
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:47.239
that night, and then let's see, Yeah, so there was

1595
01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:49.239
a couple other things at the end of the before

1596
01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:51.359
we left, you know, a couple of vocalizations of camp

1597
01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:54.439
and stuff, but pretty much nothing else. So we head home,

1598
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:59.479
and on my way home it takes two days to

1599
01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:01.720
get home, my wife calls me and says that my

1600
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:03.720
dog had been doing pretty good for the last month,

1601
01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:07.680
but she said she's not doing good again, and so

1602
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:11.079
we come home. I ended up gett home Sunday morning

1603
01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:13.399
at four o'clock in the morning. When I got home,

1604
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.640
she was she was she wasn't doing good. She was

1605
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:17.840
just laying there and we were trying to feed her

1606
01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:21.680
laying there, and she was about done. So I hadn't

1607
01:29:21.680 --> 01:29:24.600
slept in a while, and I got a couple hours

1608
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:27.119
of sleep. I got up again about nine o'clock or whatever,

1609
01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:29.159
and it was laid with her, and she ended up

1610
01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:32.960
passing away about two o'clock in the afternoon, and I

1611
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:35.760
had to go in a barrier up at the cabin.

1612
01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:38.399
And so my son, we just came back from el Khunton,

1613
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:40.760
and he had some he's in college, so he had

1614
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:43.199
some homework he had to get done. We were going

1615
01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:45.640
a week or so, and my wife didn't want to go,

1616
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:48.119
so I had to go up there alone and barrier

1617
01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:51.800
and but obviously the hole was already dug so I

1618
01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:54.640
go up there and I backed my truck in and

1619
01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:56.640
still opened the truck door. I knew they were there.

1620
01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:59.960
I just had the pressure of the quietness. I knew

1621
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:02.920
over there, and I just asked them, I says, I

1622
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:04.920
just said a lot. I say, this is tough enough.

1623
01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:09.039
I says, please don't mess with me, and let me

1624
01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:13.840
do what I got to do. So I uncovered a

1625
01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:18.359
hole and I buried her, and I buried her mostly

1626
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:22.960
by hand, and I finished it off with tobacco. I

1627
01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:27.079
had some rakes and shovels there and smoothed out the top.

1628
01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:31.760
And so I put everything away, put the bacco away.

1629
01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:35.840
This is probably ten thirty at night or so, and

1630
01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:40.359
put everything away, rakes and shovels. So last thing I

1631
01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:41.920
had to put away was the big the tarp. And

1632
01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:44.439
because it's like a twenty about thirty foot tarp, and

1633
01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:46.359
I keep it behind the cabin, there's like a three

1634
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:50.960
foot crawl space behind the cabin, and so I want

1635
01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:52.840
I wasn't taking a time to fold it all up

1636
01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:54.920
and everything. I just crumpled it up into a big,

1637
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:59.239
giant eight foot round ball and picked it up and

1638
01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:03.199
went behind the cabin. And I'm stuffing this thing behind

1639
01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:07.119
the cabin in that crawl space, and I'm jamming it

1640
01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:10.439
in there, and I just get this overpowering feeling that

1641
01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:15.920
something's right behind me staring at me. So I turned

1642
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:18.760
around and my head lamp was dead. I had a

1643
01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:21.359
flashlight in my pocket. I pulled out and I turned around,

1644
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:24.600
and I didn't shine the light into the woods. It

1645
01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:29.000
was on flood light. It's a pretty bright light. And

1646
01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:31.000
I just turned it on and pointed it at the

1647
01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:34.199
ground in front of me and looked in about thirty

1648
01:31:34.279 --> 01:31:36.680
yards from me in the woods. It's when of these

1649
01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:41.600
two big red oaks. What were these two giant gold eyes?

1650
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:44.760
And when I say they weren't yellow, they weren't our eyes.

1651
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:48.560
They were. They glistened. It was like if you took

1652
01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:53.159
gold flakes, like a quarter inch by half inch gold

1653
01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.199
flake and polished them and made eyeballs out of that.

1654
01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.960
They glittered like you couldn't imagine. And they were hug

1655
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:03.199
I almost say they were three inches in diameter. I'd

1656
01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.199
say they were huge. And it was this thing's thirty

1657
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.720
yards from me. So I didn't shine the light at it,

1658
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:10.920
and I'm shining a light in front of me, basically,

1659
01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:15.039
but just the residual light shining casting off into the

1660
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:19.880
woods towards this thing. I can see that the outline

1661
01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:24.560
of it, but I can't see specific features and others

1662
01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:27.159
than the gold eyes. The gold eyes were huge, and

1663
01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:30.640
it never blinked, and we're staring at each other, and

1664
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.239
it had it was extremely hairy. It was, and it

1665
01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:37.079
wasn't huge. So it was standing back behind the cabin.

1666
01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:40.920
The property rolls off and goes over a hill into

1667
01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:45.119
a drainage, so it was standing right where it starts

1668
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:49.199
to roll over the hill. So I'm thinking what I

1669
01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:51.880
was seeing was from the waist up or maybe the

1670
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:55.159
thighs up, because it didn't seem much bigger than me.

1671
01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:58.880
And like I said, I'm five to nine, and even

1672
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.279
body size wise, the whist of it, it didn't. It

1673
01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.600
seemed my size. And so I'm looking at it and

1674
01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:07.840
I'm not shining a light at it, but between us,

1675
01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:10.439
I'm shining the light on the ground, and I'm looking

1676
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:13.600
at this thing and these big gold eyes, and I

1677
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:15.560
can see that it was just covered with a lot

1678
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.239
of hair, and it the hair on the head just

1679
01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:20.600
rolled into the hair on the shoulders and then it

1680
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:24.319
was just it looked extremely hairy, and I can see

1681
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:27.479
the outline of the body, and so we're staring at

1682
01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:29.680
each other, and I'm freaked out. When something like this,

1683
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:34.119
you just the adrenaline rush is just it's phenomenal. It's

1684
01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:36.720
just all your hair stands on end. You get goosebumps.

1685
01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:39.319
You can even like at Halloween night when we had

1686
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:42.039
that encounter, when that thing through that first boulder end

1687
01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:44.520
of the creek. When you get an adrenaline rush, yeah

1688
01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.479
you can. You can see better. Your eyes eyes are

1689
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:50.680
half open half the time when something like that happens.

1690
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:53.000
Your eyes are your eyeballs are wide open. You can

1691
01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:56.479
smell better, you can see better. It's crazy. And I'm

1692
01:33:56.479 --> 01:34:00.800
looking at this thing, and so I don't want to

1693
01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:03.359
shine the light on it, but I want to see

1694
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:05.560
it a little better. So I clicked my light because

1695
01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:07.520
it was on like low power, which is still bright,

1696
01:34:08.119 --> 01:34:11.239
and I clicked it to the high power, not shining

1697
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:13.479
that I didn't changed the position of the light or

1698
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.920
where it was shining. As soon as I clicked it

1699
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:18.640
onto a higher power, I could see it a little better.

1700
01:34:19.359 --> 01:34:23.079
But the whole thing, it didn't just turn ahead. It's

1701
01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:27.199
the whole body. To turn to my right it's left

1702
01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.279
the eyes. I watched it. The whole thing turned to

1703
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:34.640
its left, my right and went behind that oak tree

1704
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:38.680
and it was gone. There was no This thing started

1705
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.840
yards from me. It was dry, it hadn't rained in

1706
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:45.760
a week. The leaves all just fell. There was no footfalls,

1707
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:49.119
there was no leaf crunching, there was no stick's breaking, nothing.

1708
01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:52.239
It turned went behind that oak and it was gone.

1709
01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:58.239
It disappeared. Wow. And it So that freaked me out.

1710
01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:05.600
And so that was when did we get back though?

1711
01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:10.039
So that was just that was actually that was that

1712
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:15.000
was not even it was a week ago, two weeks ago. Wow.

1713
01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:15.680
Ago.

1714
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:18.399
That is absolutely incredible. I need to have you on

1715
01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:21.920
for a second episode just to break this apart, just

1716
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:27.359
to pretty much ask a question, this is this is wild.

1717
01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:30.079
Five years ago. I had my experiences in the eighties,

1718
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:32.920
and so that was my only visual I had my

1719
01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:35.279
experience in the eighties, and I was always in the

1720
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:37.600
you know, it's a physical being. But the things that's

1721
01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:39.760
happened to me in the past, especially three years, the

1722
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.279
more experiences you have, the more questions you have, the

1723
01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:45.560
more the deeper down a rabbit hole you go, you

1724
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:47.800
realize that they're not just a physical being and they

1725
01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:50.279
have these powers and abilities. And I didn't even get

1726
01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:54.359
into the physical aisle things and the experiences with that

1727
01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:57.600
in the shape Honestly, I know for a fact, I

1728
01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:01.600
can't say what they do, but they shaped into owls

1729
01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:05.520
or they get you know, I know this is crazy,

1730
01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:08.000
and I know it sounds crazy, unbelievable. And if you're

1731
01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.800
just if you're at the I just had a sighting

1732
01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:13.319
in your crazy I know I was there five years ago.

1733
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:17.600
But they do shape shift. They do either shape shift

1734
01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:21.680
into owls, crows, different animals, or they control them one

1735
01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:23.840
way or another. And if you believe in God, you

1736
01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:27.119
believe in spirits. And if you believe in a lot

1737
01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:30.680
of people believe in people being possessed something evil getting

1738
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:34.159
into them and needing an exorcism or whatever. And they

1739
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:37.319
can believe in that, but they can't believe that a

1740
01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:41.119
spiritual thing can be a susquatch or can get into

1741
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:45.119
and control a owl or a crow or a deer.

1742
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:48.560
You know, So how could you believe the evil part

1743
01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:51.039
of it and not believe, say, like the good part

1744
01:36:51.079 --> 01:36:52.279
of it, you know what I'm saying.

1745
01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:54.720
No, I totally get it. Would you be up for

1746
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:57.960
coming back? For a second episode to further discuss this.

1747
01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:01.880
Oh sure, okay, yeah, I think that would be great.

1748
01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:03.680
I'm going to reach out to you to set up

1749
01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:07.640
a time to come back on because there's just so

1750
01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:10.479
much and I could ask you. I feel like I

1751
01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:14.359
could ask you a question that would just really Yeah,

1752
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:17.119
this could get even more wild, but I would love

1753
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:19.600
to have you back on, Dave, so that we could

1754
01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:23.720
really get further into this. And the stuff you've been

1755
01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:27.279
sharing is incredible. I appreciate you coming on, and I

1756
01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:30.720
will be reaching out to set up a second time

1757
01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:33.279
to have you come back on and we'll get further

1758
01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:33.640
into it.

1759
01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:37.760
So okay, okay, sounds good. I'll look forward to your message.

1760
01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:38.840
All right, Thank you, Dave.

1761
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:41.079
Okay, thank you. Jeremiah.

1762
01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:43.840
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