Jan. 7, 2025

They All See It Out Here! | Oklahoma

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Brian Terrell of Red Dirt Cryptid Investigations joins host Jeremiah Byron to delve into his fascinating encounters with cryptids in Oklahoma. He shares stories from areas like North...

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Season 1

This is an unlocked Patreon episode originally released 4/9/24.

Brian Terrell of Red Dirt Cryptid Investigations joins host Jeremiah Byron to delve into his fascinating encounters with cryptids in Oklahoma. He shares stories from areas like North Central Oklahoma, near Crescent, and his memorable Dogman sighting in 2007. We discuss multiple cryptid hotspots, including Brown Springs, McGee Creek, Lake Texoma, and Beaver's Bend. Brian recounts eerie experiences, from mechanical bird noises to eye-shine sightings, and gives insights into the behaviors and territories of Bigfoot and Dogman. Tune in for a deep dive into Oklahoma's rich and often overlooked world of cryptid activity.

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Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Big for Society. You

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got the privilege of chatting with mister Brian Terrell from

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Red Dirt Cryptid Investigations down there in the great state

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of Oklahoma. How's it going today, Brian.

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That's going great man. Thanks for having me on.

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Oh absolutely, I've been wanting to chat with you for

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a while. I love talking to people from Oklahoma. You

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guys have one of the coolest states when it comes

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to Bigfoot encryptids, and some people get back out of

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shape because they're like, oh, I only want to talk

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to a bigfoot up in the Pacific Northwest. But man,

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I love the Oklahoma stuff like it is. It's awesome.

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I'm going to I'm going to ask start with the

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question that, yeah, probably everyone starts with, is how did

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you get into this wild stuff, all this wild bigfoot

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and you're in a dog man too, and you're into

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it all.

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Man, I'm just like some people have the shock factor.

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I'm not that way. I was eased into it. I'm

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pretty sure that I had bigfoot on the property when

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I was a kid growing up at the farm, and

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I didn't know it at the time. It was till

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much later, and I accidentally ended up investigating a nineteen

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ninety six investigating a bigfoot sighting, and I didn't even

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know what I was doing, but I was just curious

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and nosy, and I ended up going out to the

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low location and nosing around on my own, and so

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I really so for a long time I was open

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to the idea that they might be out there. But

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to fast forward to two thousand and seven, I ended

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up seeing what I guess people would say was a

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dog man, although at the time it just looked like

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a giant wolf to me, and I had no idea

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what I was looking at. I thought it was just

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some giant wolf that was some kind of mutant or something,

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and I figured that it wouldn't last very long because

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it was freaking nature and a rancher was going to

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shoot it pretty quick and that would be the end

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of that. I didn't realize at the time that there

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was a breeding population of these things. I was fortunate

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that it didn't stand up on its hind legs and

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run or something. I probably would have lost my cookies

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if I'd have seen that. So when I say I

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was like eased into this cryptid world, I mean it.

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I honestly don't know how somebody could be more gradually

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brought into this genre than the way I have been,

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And I think that's part of the reason why I

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don't have a lot of the PTSD and a lot

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of the fear that a lot of people have. But man,

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I definitely got a lot of respect for these creatures,

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and I usually do everything I can to do it

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as smart as I can.

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Absolutely so dog inciting in two thousand and seven, that

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is wild. What part of Okaho can you share? What

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part of Oklahoma that happened to.

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Yeah, I do occasionally. It was basically north central Oklahoma.

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I'll just say it was close to Crescent, Oklahoma, but

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not anywhere. It was a little ways away from there.

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I'm intentionally not giving away the exact location because there's

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family land involved in the situation. The last thing I

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need is a bunch of Hurrahs showing up out there

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and trying to run around out there and call in

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dog man or something.

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But it wasn't actually on my family land, but it

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was on a piece of property that was a little

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ways away and it was just it was a broad

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daylight thing. I was just driving in my pickup truck

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going out. I was actually on the way out to

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one of a piece of family land, and I just

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happened to look over and there the thing was, and

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it was just sitting there, and I didn't know what

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to make of it or anything. It was At first,

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I just wasn't getting it. You look at something, you're like,

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it's a really big dog, and then you just let

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just that's really big things about the size of a cow. Wow.

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Oh yeah, and this broad daylight. And like I said,

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I'm pretty fortunate it didn't get up and stand up

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or something. I don't know what I would I don't

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know what my I don't know what I would have

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done if that would have happened. Hard to say, but

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in a way, I'm glad it didn't. But it was years,

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many years later, that I actually figured out that I'd

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seen something that unusual. I was listening to some Sashquatch

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chronicles type stuff, and I kept hearing the mentioning dog man,

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dog man, dog, and I'm like, what are they talking about?

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And I was actually picturing it something like a sintaur

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with a dog's body and a man's head or something,

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if that's what they think they're seeing. And then I

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go ahead and I do a little search and little

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Google search of it, and that's what it hit me.

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That's what I saw back then, and it was pretty overwhelming.

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And that's when it that's when the fire really got lit.

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Is when I realized that I had not only had

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I seen one of these creatures, but I'd seen one

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fairly close. And that that's when the avalanche, I guess

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you could say, started with me. And from there on

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out it was downhill. From there, I look into just

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about everything from flying cryptis, dog man, sasquatch. We get

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a lot of dog man reports, but we get a

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lot more bigfoot reports, and so therefore I would have

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to say that bigfoot is our bread and butter down here,

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but we've got a lot of dog man reports too.

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I'm pretty sure that I have over sixty dog man

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reports documented here in Oklahoma in southern Kansas, but we've

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definitely got way over two hundred bigfoot reports now, so

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it's kind of I'd say that the dog man population

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is a lot less, but the bigfoot population is definitely

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healthy over here. What you was saying before about thinking

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that has to be up in the northwest, man, I

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think Oklahoma is greatly undervalued when it comes to bigfoot population.

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I think there's a lot more of them down here

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than what people think. And I think the reason why

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we don't have I think it's a combination of two things.

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A we don't have the volume of people that they

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have in others, some of these densely populated states. But

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the other thing is Oklahoma and southern Kansas is like

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the heart of the Bible Belt. They're like, we're like

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really conservative, and that type of individual is very unlikely

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if they were to see something to come out and

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actually tell the public. I think a lot of people.

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You hear people say over and over again on shows

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that maybe one out of every ten bigfoot sightings actually

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get reported. I'm pretty sure in my area it's more

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like one out of every twenty or thirty. So super

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conservative down here. A lot of people are pretty tight lip.

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They don't talk so.

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Which I totally agree with you on that, But it's

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just think about then taking that how many potential bigfoot

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sightings actually happen in the state of Oklahoma. It's got

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to be a massive amount.

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You go to some of the these Facebook pages and

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these YouTube channels and stuff, and the vast majority of

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people that are following those groups are these silent people

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that never really speak up when it comes to like

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my Facebook group, I've got like a core of I

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don't know, maybe maybe fifty people that that comment on

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a regular basis post stuff. The rest of the people

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they're just sitting back and real quiet, like and watch it.

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And I think that's the lion's share of people, is

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that kind of want to know what's going on, but

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they don't want everybody to know that they're interested.

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So they're the there are they the people where it's

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like they will only tell you something has happened if

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you direct message them out of the blue and blatantly

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ask them have you experienced something? And they're like, okay, yeah,

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well I found there's a lot of people in my

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group that's the case. They won't just come out and

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say it. Man, it's pretty interesting.

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It really is. The psychology that's involved when it comes

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to eyewitnesses is you could probably write a book on it,

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and all that PTSD traumatic stuff, it plays a role

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in that stuff. You never really know how a person's

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going to react when they see something like that. That's

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why I know that I'm very fortunate that I haven't

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been traumatized, psychologically damaged, just flat out and messed up,

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because I can't imagine what it would be like just

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be going for a little stroll in the park or

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something and coming around a corner and there's a dog

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man standing there upright eyeball and you licking his chops.

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I can't even imagine what that would be like. So

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I don't know the people that does happen to. Man,

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my heart really goes out to you. I don't. How

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do you go to work after that?

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Yeah? How do you do anything? Yeah? You had said

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something really quick, and I don't want to let it

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slip by. You'd mentioned to the side where you're pretty

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sure that you may have had bigfoot on your property

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when you're growing up. Can you go more into that.

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There was a whole bunch of little things that happened,

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but it all and I'll go over. I'll try to

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give you the cliff notes version, because once I start

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talking and telling stories, I just it seems like I

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go on forever. But I had a bunch of knick

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knack things that would happen, Like we had a grainery

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inside the barn, and we kept seed grain in there,

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but we also kept dog and cat food in there.

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And I was constantly I was the only kid down there,

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and I grew up there, spent summers there, spring breaks

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and all that stuff. I lived with my grandparents a lot,

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but not all the time. I went to school in

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town and I lived with my parents, but I spent

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a lot of time down there, and I would always

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get in trouble for leaving the grain reopen, leaving the

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grain reopen, and it got to where it was just

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like a normal thing. It was like I would go

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down there and I would, you know, to put the

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lock on. It wasn't a pad lock, but it was

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like a little wooden lever lock and I would lock

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the door. I'd come back the next morning and it

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was open again. And that was a pretty constant thing.

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So something I believe was getting in there and getting

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cat food and dog food out, and I think we

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know who does that. I also had a situation where

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I had built a tree house in the woods, and

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at the time I got it finished, it got torn

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out of the tree. It was literally like ripped out

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of the tree. All the lumber was down on the ground.

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It was broken into pieces. And I thought that my

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grandfather had done it because it was out there. It

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was just it was me, Grandpa and Grandma seldom left

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the house. Grandpa never really went to the woods unless

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he was in the pickup truck. But I thought it

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must have been Grandpa. He must have found out that

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I was taking some of his good wood for my treehouse,

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but I wasn't supposed to do so. I spent about

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three days waiting on a whipping and it just never came,

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and everything just seemed normal. So finally I was like, Grandpa,

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why why did you tear down my treehouse out in

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the or my tree ford out in the woods. And

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he's like, I didn't do that, and I was like,

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and I was, I don't know. I can't believe it

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had to have been him. So I cressured him a

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little bit about it, and he was like, Brian, I

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don't even know where your treehouse is, you know. And

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so looking back on it now, I think I know

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that was probably seen as some kind of encroachment on

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the territory or something like that. It might have had

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something to do with me urinating so much around that area,

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because I would just pee off the edge of the

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tree house like boys do. And I guess that might

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have been what happened there. But it's not like there

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was other people out there that could have seen that

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and done that, let alone ripped it out of it tree.

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There was another incident too, where I saw some glowing

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red eyes down in the crow one night when I

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was going back down to shut off the lights in

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the barn, and I went up and I told my

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grandpa about it, and he tried to convince me that

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it was a cow. Of course, what would you expect

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to be down in there, But it wasn't a cow,

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because it was two eyes looking straight at me, and

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it seems like to me. I remember they were a

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white yellow color, and I just had the feeling i'd

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gone down there. I'd walk down there one hundred times

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to turn off the lights, and there's off and on.

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There would always be maybe a couple of cows down

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there in the corral or something. Nothing ever bothered me,

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but that one night I felt it before I saw

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the eyes, and looking back on it now I know

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what that was. But at the time I had no idea.

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So there was a lot of knickknack things that was

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going on down the farm, but it was the small

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things that you could dismiss easily. And I'm pretty confident

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that my grandfather had no idea anything like that was

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going on, because I don't think he would let me

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go down there and play alone. It's times have changed.

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Back then. I had one hundred and sixty acres at

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my disposal and it was all woods at the spring

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fed creek flowing through it. It was heaven still is.

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But the truth is, if he'd have thought that there

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was anything dangerous out there. He wouldn't let me go.

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Yeah, that's definitely hindsight is twenty twenty, and you think

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of that stuff where you are now, and yeah, you

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probably had some stuff going on. And Oklahoma, I've always

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thought a Bigfoot, but I've never really thought of dog

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Man a lot before. But I find it interesting how

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in certain parts of the US there seems to be

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like it. There's seems to be groups of big Foot

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and there's groups of dog Man. They live in the

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same area. Do you think that might be the same

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situation in certain parts of Oklahoma? Or do they tend

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to stay away from each other? From what you found,

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big for society will be right back after these messages.

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I have not seen any evidence whatsoever that they will

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separate and stay away from each other. Now I have

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seen some contradiction to that. I have seen and gotten

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reports of them basically being in the same areas, not

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necessarily at the same times, but definitely in the same areas.

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So as far as I'm concerned, I have never seen

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any evidence that would lead me to believe that one

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particular area is dog Man territory and the other particular

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area is Sasquatch territory. Okay. I don't give much credence

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to the whole dog man bigfoot WWF fighted out theory.

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I think we'd hear that going on, but yeah, I

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don't know everybody wants to see it. It's definitely make

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a good pay for view.

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That's for sure. That'd be some wild stuff enough seeing bigfoot.

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I'd rather see a bigfoot than a dog man any day.

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I hope I never get near one of the dog

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man creatures. They're just wild. But I guess we have

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them in Iowa. So I got to look out. Have

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you found that there's a certain part of Oklahoma that

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seems to have more dog man activity coming out of it?

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There is patches. I guess you could say there's a

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certain There's not an area of Oklahoma that I would

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say is free of dog man activity, but there are

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certain patches where you'll get like a small cluster of reports.

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We've got an area over in far western Oklahoma where

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there's been a cluster of dog man reports and encounters.

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There's been a lot of reports come out of a

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town called Shawnee, Oklahoma, up and down and around the river.

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But there's also bigfoot reports that come out of there

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as well. There's been several reports over by Tallaheena, up

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by north of Bartlesville, there's been a couple of reports.

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They're really everywhere, but every once in a while you

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get several and one immediate location. But they're not as

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predictable as far as where they're going to be as

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a bigfoot, because I don't personally believe that a dog

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man has to stay as close to water as a

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bigfoot does. Almost all the bigfoot side that you're going

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to hear about, at least coming from our area, is

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going to be within a mile of water. They really

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don't get that far away from water. I guess they're

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I guess they're thirsty. I don't know, but they don't

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hear about that. But that's not the way with dog men.

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Dog Men be out in the middle of nowhere where

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there's really no water or anything, and so there's no

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rhyme or reason to them. Makes them a lot harder

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to predict. Of course, my personal opinion is what we

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know about dog man is like thirty years behind what

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we know about sasquatch. We've been studying sasquatch pretty much

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since the Patterson gimblin age and the trying to think

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of what it's called. The when they first started discovering

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the Jerry Crwe area pre nineteen sixty.

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Seven, yeah, fifty eight, around the area.

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Yeah fifty eight. They've been studying them since then, documenting

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their behaviors, their mannerisms and stuff like that, and we

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really haven't what would you say, fifteen years into this

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dog man.

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Thing, I'd say that's proudly generous. Yeah, yeah, fifteen, I

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could go with fifteen.

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Yep.

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That's as wild stuff, man.

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It really is. So we've got some ketchup to do.

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We're starting to figure a few things out. One of

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the things that I've come to the conclusion is that

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a lot of the behaviors that we get out of Sasquatch,

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I think the dog men are doing the same thing,

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rock throwing and pacing people out of an area, stuff

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like that. I think these are both dog man and

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Sasquatch behavior. And I think personally, I think that there's

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a chance that there's a lot of bigfoot reports that

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were actually dog man reports, possibly even vice versa. It's

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hard to say on that, and that's just speculation on

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my part. But if they're doing the same things and

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they're in the same areas unless you get I'd say

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a lot of the class bees are miss could possibly

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be wrong. It's tough to say. One thing. I'll say though,

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about dog men it seems like they're much more cautious

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about leaving footprints than Bigfoot. I do believe that bigfoot

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is very cautious about leaving footprints, but I think that

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dogmen is even more. That may be because their population

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is less, but it could also be that maybe they're

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just a little bit more aware of their footprints. It's

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hard to say, but it's a really rare thing to

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run across a dog man print, a quality one. I

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run into what I consider sasquatch prints on a semi

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regular basis, but I'm learning where to look.

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Yeah, you don't hear a lot about solid dog man tracks,

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that's for sure. But I do have a question from

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one of the Patreon members, so I want to make

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sure that I think now would be a good time.

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So Leslie wants to ask, can you tell us about

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what you feel is your most memorable investigation from over

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the years.

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Oh? Wow, man, I've gone out and I've talked to

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a lot of people and as far as trying to

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put which one is. And man, I've talked to some

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pretty interesting eyewitnesses, but probably the one that I say

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is most memorable to me was I have this friend,

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his name is Chuck Slabs. He's also a bigfoot investigator,

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and he had a bigfoot encounter close actually close to

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cress And Oklahoma as well. And I called him up

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and I said, hey, I'd like to take you out

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to that location and do an interview. So we did.

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We drove out there and we did an interview with

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my buddy Jeff Hatfield, and I had Jeff go stand

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in the tree line where the bigfoot was and I

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had Chuck tell his story about what happened to him

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that night. I did a video line. It's pretty cool.

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But anyway, as we're buttoning up and fixing to leave,

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the pumper comes pulling in. And the guy that is

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pulling in is the guy that now has the job

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that Chuck used to have. Chuck used to be the

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pumper for that well, but this new guy, he's the

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one that's doing it now. We never met this guy ever,

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and he comes pulling in and I thought he was

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probably going to get mad and tell us to get

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off location or something, but he didn't. He was being

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real friendly, so I just point blank asking. I was like, hey,

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has anything weird ever happened to you out here or

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anywhere else? And he got this funny look on his

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face and he goes, I did have something really weird

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happen out here last February. And I was like, really,

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what was that? And he basically described something similar to

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what Chuck experienced. And the weird thing is, without having

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any knowledge of this, he pointed to the spot where

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Chuck had seen had his encounter and he said something

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was over there throwing rocks at me at night. And

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I was just like, whoa, it's so crazy. And he

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let us record him telling his story, and so I

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incorporated that into the video. But it was so awesome.

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I've never gone out to do an interview with an

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eyewitness and then had somebody else come up and say randomly, yeah,

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I pretty much had something very similar happened in this

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exact same spot too. That was just my brain was

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about to explode on that one. But I would say

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that was probably one of the coolest ones I've done,

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but I've done several of them. Not all of them

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people would allow me to put on camera, But I

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do love going out and talking to eyewitnesses, especially on

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location where it actually happened. It's a lot of it's

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a lot of fun, and sometimes people need to tell

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their story.

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Yeah, oh absolutely, I think it's therapeutic for the person

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that needs to tell their story. A lot of these

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guys haven't talked about it, maybe for fifteen twenty years.

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And yeah, it's also helpful for the people that are

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watching your videos on can help them work through stuff.

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And that's how it goes with the podcast as well.

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About Southeast to Oklahoma, is it over hyped or is

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everything that we hear actually happening down there from your

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experience always happening? Okay, so.

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Yes, Southeast Oklahoma does have a higher population, especially if

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sasquatch down there. It is true there's a lot of

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stuff going on. We've got an area down there that

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we go to that we call Zana Do and almost

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every time that we go down there, we have some

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kind of crazy activity and something always weird happens down there.

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This last time we went over there over spring break

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and we really didn't have We found some interesting evidence,

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but we didn't have any encounters or something had come

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into camp or something like that. That was probably the

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first time that we really didn't have anything actually come

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into camp or do something. That was heartbreaker because that

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place has a lot of hyat built up for we

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call it Xana Do. But now, yeah, there's a lot

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of stuff going on over there. There's a lot of

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reports that come out of southeastern Oklahoma. A lot of

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people don't realize this, but the population of Lafleur, mccurt

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and Pushmataha counties are pretty high, and so not only

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do you have a larger population of the Sasquatch people

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down there, you've also got more human people there to

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interact with them. So by nature, you're going to get

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more reports because there's more people there. So it makes

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good sense. But I do believe there's a lot of

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activity and it's all over. If it's close to a

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water source, they're pretty much there. Just some people are

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very unobservant and some people are observant. And I think

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that the people who are unobservant are usually the lucky

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ones because it's a lot easy. It's a lot easier

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to remain in the dark when it comes to this

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kind of stuff.

457
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Why did you choose to call it Xana Do?

458
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.440
I didn't. It was Mike A. Doones On, one of

459
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.359
the guys on my team. He called it Xana Do,

460
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.559
and I think he called it. I think Xana Do.

461
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.240
There is a movie about someplace called Xanadu years ago

462
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.240
and that I think the term xanad means a place

463
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:37.480
of tranquility and mystery and stuff like that. And being

464
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.880
from northwest Oklahoma, you get down in that area where

465
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.640
you've got all these really tall lob lolly pines and

466
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.079
everything is different, and you've got all that nice clear

467
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:53.680
blue flowing water and all these great swimming holes and everything.

468
00:27:54.160 --> 00:28:00.000
It is a really beautiful area and it just it is.

469
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.160
It's just it's a wonderful place to go. And I

470
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.839
think that was where he was going for Zana Do.

471
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:10.039
We just call it that because we don't want to

472
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:14.680
advertise where the location is that we're actually doing our research.

473
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:21.160
We found that there are some mischievous people out here

474
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:24.240
in this area that if they find out where you're

475
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:28.039
actually doing research, they'll go out and they'll put out

476
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.799
fake footprints for you to find so you'll look like

477
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.240
a fool. Stupid stuff like that, and I don't have

478
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.880
time for that. So we just keep our we keep

479
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.680
our little secrets, I guess you could say. And I

480
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.519
don't like being misleading or disingenuous, but if we're going

481
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.079
to have if we're going to maintain a certain purity

482
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:54.119
level for our areas that we're doing actual research in,

483
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:58.039
we need to keep it a little bit nush, because

484
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.559
all we need if a whole bunch. If a bunch

485
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.359
of people know that you're down in a certain area

486
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.039
and you're doing research, it's just a matter of time

487
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.000
before they're sitting around drinking beer and they're getting a

488
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.279
little tipsy and they're like, Hey, I got a great idea,

489
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.680
and then here they come. So I'm trying to avoid that.

490
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.880
That's a great call. I actually have never thought of

491
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:23.720
that before, but now that you bring it up, I

492
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.480
could easily see that happening, especially with some other places

493
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:32.559
down in that quadrant of the state. Yeah, no question,

494
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:33.319
that could happen.

495
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.720
People that don't take this stuff seriously. They try to

496
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.759
make a mockery of it, and they think it is

497
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.279
a laughing matter. And I can think of about four

498
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.799
or five people that I know from my personal life

499
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.200
that man, I would really love for them to have

500
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.480
a close up encounter, and preferably one of the soiled

501
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:57.039
breeches variety, because that would they deserve that. But no,

502
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.599
there's just I don't know, you know, is people are

503
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.480
just people and they come in off flavors and you

504
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:10.119
can't hate a just but but you can limit how

505
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:11.920
much information you give out.

506
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.119
And so that's what exactly big for society will be.

507
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:37.519
Right back after these messages, have you, yourself or anyone

508
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.599
in your group been able to have has there been

509
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.119
a visual sighting in that area at all?

510
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:50.079
Yeah? Yeah, A couple of years ago, Jeff Hatfield, Well,

511
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:54.440
we were sitting around the campfire and Jeff saw something

512
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:58.039
big and black and hairy and moving at a distance

513
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:03.079
down in a valley, and it rattled him. He jumped

514
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.839
up out of his camp chair like he had a

515
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.519
spring underneath him, like a jack in the box. I

516
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.640
immediately knew that something serious was happening. I could tell

517
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.400
by the look on his face. So could my brother,

518
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.640
and week sprang into action. I started trying to video

519
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.799
and didn't get anything on video because it was already gone.

520
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.759
But there was a good fifteen twenty seconds and Jeff

521
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.680
couldn't even get out what he was just pointing. He

522
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.400
was the shock of seeing it, but he didn't get

523
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.000
a good look at it, and it was like one

524
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.880
hundred and fifty yards away. But he said it was

525
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.160
just too big to just be like a little black bear,

526
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.960
because down here we have bears. They're a little bitty.

527
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.200
I know, you could almost swat one. Most of them

528
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.319
run from you. But they said it was much bigger.

529
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.519
We've had him come into camp on a couple of

530
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:03.559
occasions and get per pretty close. My first night out

531
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.160
there at that location, they I was sleeping in a

532
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.880
hammock with a tarp over it, and I'm pretty sure

533
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.759
we had two juveniles come into camp and they were

534
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:16.200
snooping around and one of them started creeping up on

535
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.759
me in my tent, in my hammock with the tarp

536
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.039
over it, and I was awake, and it scared the

537
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.759
living crap out of me, and it was very humbling.

538
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.559
But that was the fastest I ever came out of

539
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.319
my hammock. I set the fat Boy Land speed record

540
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.359
for ejecting out of a hammock, because you can't get

541
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.680
out of a hammock gracefully. In case you didn't know,

542
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.839
let alone when you're as big as I am. So

543
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.240
that was a crazy night. I would love to relive

544
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.000
that night again. I wish i'd had a recorder, you

545
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:49.480
know how that.

546
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:56.119
Goes absolutely in that same area. Did you, guys ever

547
00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:00.200
hear any sounds that would not usually belong in an

548
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.480
area like that or anything that would puzzle you.

549
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:08.440
Yeah, we've heard the tree knox, which are, to be

550
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.559
honest with you, down that area. They're not unusual. I

551
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.720
usually get tree knocks on the audio recorders almost every

552
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.599
time I go down there. We've heard the what people

553
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:23.359
describe as the mechanical bird noises. That was one of

554
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.119
the creepiest things I ever heard. I've only heard that

555
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.799
a couple of times, and that was when we first

556
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:37.559
started going down there, and that was just weird. I'm

557
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.839
not even sure I can even do it justice day

558
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.720
try to explain what it sounded like, but the term

559
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.039
mechanical bird is about as close as you're going to get.

560
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:55.440
I imagine like a robot bird or something that just

561
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.799
wasn't even sounding right, but sounded mechanical. That's what it

562
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:03.640
sounded like. I've heard a lot of weird vocalizations. Those

563
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.519
the two juveniles that came in that one night on me.

564
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:11.559
They were making the mouth popping noises where they I'm

565
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.679
assuming they're doing that thing with their mouth, but it

566
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:18.960
was really loud they were doing that. I would say

567
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.239
every five or ten minutes, they would make that mouth

568
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:26.800
popping noise and it was really loud, and I think

569
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.559
that's what actually woke me up, was the mouth popping noise.

570
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.440
And about the time, about forty five minutes before the

571
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.159
sun came up, and these two juveniles were tinkering around

572
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.880
the camp getting into stuff. I'm assuming the parent from

573
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.360
up the hill was calling them, and it made this

574
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:54.400
really loud, deep, you know, booh vocalization, and at that

575
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.920
point both of them left and started walking towards that vocalization.

576
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:05.320
And so I always assume that that was mom or

577
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:09.360
dad or something, but it's hard to tell. But whatever

578
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.679
it was definitely had authority and it had a very

579
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:18.199
deep voice, and they responded instantaneously. It was at that

580
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.239
point I think that I figured out that I was

581
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.400
probably dealing them with juveniles. So that was pretty That

582
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:27.519
was a fun night, But yeah, you'll hear a lot

583
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.920
of things. Never heard any kind of Ohio howls or

584
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.559
whatever out there. I don't think there is vocal in

585
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:42.559
Oklahoma as what they are in other places. They will

586
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.239
do howls and stuff like that, but it's not common

587
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.840
to catch one on audio recorder. But one of these days,

588
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.079
I'm going to get a good one one of these days.

589
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.320
But yeah, there's a lot of vocalizations and sounds that

590
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.559
go along with them. Like last weekend when we were

591
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.920
down there over spring break, we had something just outside

592
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.639
of Camp grunt at us twice and we ended up

593
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.800
getting out of or out from underneath the tar because

594
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.880
it was raining and we had We went out and

595
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.880
was looking around trying to figure out what it was.

596
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.559
But whatever it was, it vanished or whatever went to

597
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.239
ground or something. But we never did figure out what

598
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.320
it was. But it spoke to me pretty again because

599
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:35.760
it was pretty loud, pretty deep.

600
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.039
I have a few areas that I would want to

601
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.800
bring up just to see if it makes anything. You

602
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.320
remember anything, or you've had any interaction with that area.

603
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.079
You can say, I guess we'll leave it at that.

604
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.480
If you need to say no comment, then that's fine.

605
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.840
But there's an area that I've Yeah, there's an area

606
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.960
that I've started to get a lot of reports from

607
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.599
and it's on the border the Lake Texoma area, and

608
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.119
I guess that's a massive area. Have you ever gotten

609
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.920
any weird stuff from the Lake Texoma area of Oklahoma

610
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:13.639
and Texas?

611
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.920
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, Okay. There's a lot of reports

612
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.639
that come out of the Lake Texoma area bigfoot and

613
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.320
dog man. And as a matter of fact, I consider

614
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:30.880
that Lake Texoma Brown Springs area to be a dog

615
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.920
man hot spot because there's just a lot of dog

616
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.400
man reports that come out of that area. That place

617
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.400
has got a creepy feeling when you get out. I

618
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.000
know for a fact that there's more going on there

619
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.719
than just cryptid stuff. I know it's a hot spot

620
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.960
for paranormal investigators too, the ghost hunters and stuff like that.

621
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.960
I am not a ghost hunter, but because my personal

622
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.440
belief and I just don't have time, so I don't

623
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.320
even now. A man can only have so much free time,

624
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.880
and this bigfoot, encryptid thing, there's days I feel like

625
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.599
I've been off more than I can chew. And the

626
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.119
last thing I'm going to do is decide that I'm

627
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.639
going to take on and start chasing aliens and ghosts.

628
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.639
I just know, I just don't have time. I'm not

629
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.599
dismissing or anything or throwing rocks at that genre. I'm

630
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.599
just saying I just don't have time to deal with it.

631
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.480
But I am aware of the fact that they do

632
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.960
go out there on a regular basis, and they do

633
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.039
have a lot of encounters. And sometimes these ghost hunters

634
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.760
go out there and have encounters with cryptids, and I

635
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:53.840
think a lot of ghosts that are reported are actually cryptids,

636
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.960
but I really don't have any data to back that up.

637
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:03.199
It's just a high apothesis, especially when you're talking about

638
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.559
white creatures, because I think a lot of cryptids. There's

639
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.800
more white cryptids out there than people realize. Yeah, the

640
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.800
brown spring variant is pretty crazy. I've only been out

641
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.440
there twice, but my team has actually been discussing going

642
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.840
back down there again and doing a better, more thorough

643
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.119
investigation than what we've done in the past.

644
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.199
So a lot of weird stuff from Lake Texoma, as

645
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:36.559
you also mentioned, and specifically besides Bigfoot ind dog Man,

646
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:40.440
and some people think this is total hodquash, but I've

647
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:42.719
been getting a lot of reports about it from the area.

648
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.360
Is you've got like the pale crawler type whatever it is.

649
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.639
And I'm getting a ton of stuff from the Lake Texo,

650
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.880
even from guys that are working the train that goes

651
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.000
across Lake Texoma. They're like, we looked out, we saw

652
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.400
something weird on the tracks. It was white and it

653
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.559
was like skinny and it didn't make sense. Yeah, so dude,

654
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.880
there's something going on in that area, no question. So

655
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:10.480
I don't know.

656
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.840
I'm not even sure what to how to classify what

657
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.400
you're talking about. But I've gotten some reports that are

658
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:21.719
similar to that as well. And yeah, I don't even know.

659
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.159
I don't even know what to how to classify that.

660
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:29.119
A lot of people put the rubber stamp skin walker

661
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:33.960
on it, but it's not really a skin walker. I

662
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:38.039
don't really know what to call it, but it's something different.

663
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.400
I had a guy reach out from Tulsa. There's Tulsa

664
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:49.760
and he had this thing shape shift in front of him.

665
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.360
Not in front of him, but it was in his backyard.

666
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.119
Him and his wife both saw it and they basically

667
00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:00.159
they it was like one o'clock in the morning. It

668
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.400
was like a Saturday night and they'd been up and

669
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.320
they had some friends over and they could hear like

670
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.480
the cops were chasing somebody down the street or something.

671
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.679
So they go out front, and whatever it was, it

672
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.000
gone around the corner and gone back behind the house,

673
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.280
because they lived on a corner lot, And so they

674
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.239
went in their backyard and walked out on the back

675
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.559
porch to see if they could see anything that direction.

676
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:31.519
And when they did, they saw something that just looked

677
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:39.280
like this pale, white, hairless, horrifying looking creature with black eyes,

678
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.679
and it ran behind their storage shed in their backyard,

679
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.599
and I got they were Him and his wife were

680
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.800
both pretty freaked out, and they said that they just

681
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.079
sat there for a minute, and they started easing back

682
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.639
towards the house, towards the door, and whatever it was

683
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.480
ape shifted or something, and it came out from the

684
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.320
other side of the story shed, and it was a

685
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:13.239
homeless dude that was just dressed all in rowdy clothes.

686
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.719
And I guess the homeless dude just looked at him

687
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.960
and smiled and walked over there and opened their gate

688
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.000
and went out in the front yard and disappeared. And

689
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:29.280
they were just sudden, Yeah, no, I'll take big foot

690
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.039
any day. No. Yeah, And there's yet there was another

691
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.079
lady that this was in now that was about two

692
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:44.079
years ago. About four months ago, I had a lady

693
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.360
reach out to me, and she had an encounter on

694
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:53.559
what is called the Northwest Expressway in Oklahoma City. And

695
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.599
if you keep going out past what people around here

696
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.239
would know is Piedmont Road, and you take that road

697
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.440
and you just keep going like you're going to Okarchie.

698
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.239
Right there where Hi eighty one ties in, she ran

699
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.199
into one there at that corner, and she said, at

700
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.840
first it looked like a naked white guy, no shoes,

701
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:21.239
no nothing, bug naked, and he was running at an

702
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:25.760
incredibly high rate of speed and like he was keeping

703
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.480
up with her car. And then he started shape shifting

704
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:36.519
into something else that had a longer muzzle. I guess

705
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.199
she could say, and claws, And of course I guess

706
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.519
she decided to get out of there. The most interesting

707
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.480
part of her story is, in my opinion, is not

708
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:55.519
the actual encounter. Apparently she was hesitant to call me.

709
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.320
As a matter of fact, she reached out to me

710
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.199
using an alien She actually went to the point of

711
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.159
creating an alias so that she could reach out to

712
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.480
me because she is a business owner there in Oklahoma

713
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.000
City and she didn't want it to affect her business.

714
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:16.440
So to make a long story short and to condense

715
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.119
it down, she felt obligated to turn this into the police,

716
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.280
even though she didn't want to. So she calls the

717
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.960
police department, and the police department that she reached out

718
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.119
to was the Canadian County Sheriff's department, and she called

719
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.760
got the dispatcher. Dispatcher answers the phone. She starts in

720
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.280
telling her like, I know you guys are going to

721
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:45.559
believe this, but this is what I saw. And the dispatcher,

722
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.639
she said, I could tell. She put her hand over

723
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:53.320
the phone and she said to one somebody else that

724
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:56.199
was over there, she said, hey, we've got another one

725
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:00.639
over here. And I can't imagine. And that must have

726
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.119
been insane to hear a police dispatcher say something like

727
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.239
that there's two of them or there's more of them.

728
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:13.400
So I don't know. I believe that the police department

729
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.599
probably does have a legitimate reason for keeping some of

730
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:17.480
this stuffish.

731
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.760
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

732
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:42.119
We're supposed to. Their job is to keep us feeling safe, right,

733
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.119
and even if it's in ignorance, I don't know. I

734
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.320
don't blame them for it. But wow, what do you

735
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:49.719
make of that?

736
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.559
Well, that's wild. I don't know, and I was hoping

737
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.159
you wouldn't have stories like that, But here we are.

738
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.039
You as well have gotten some counts like that, and

739
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.639
that makes me think even more that there could be

740
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:07.239
something going on. You mentioned Brown Springs by yourself, that

741
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:08.000
was one of them.

742
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.559
Yeah. Yeah, I go there occasionally at least once or

743
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:19.159
twice a year, so there's it's still an active area

744
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.880
even though the siege is long gone. I think that

745
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.639
happened in what twenty ten or something, I.

746
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:32.840
Want to say, January two thousand and one around there

747
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:34.679
was it so even longer back?

748
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.199
Yeah, in twenty four years? Yeah, I guess that's right.

749
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:41.239
It would have been yeah. Crazy. I can't imagine living

750
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:45.440
through that ordeal. The interesting thing about the siege of

751
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:52.199
Hanabi is that there's four different stories depending on who

752
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.320
you ask. When you talk to locals that are down

753
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.320
from around there. The family that had actually happened to

754
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.519
they're done talking about it. The bigfit can unity and

755
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.920
the general public acted and treated them, probably poorly, and

756
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:07.599
they don't want to They don't even want to talk

757
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:09.599
about it anymore. And you're not going to get them

758
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.199
to talk about it. But depending on which one of

759
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.400
the four stories you get and it comes out of

760
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.440
that area. The one thing that is universally constant and

761
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:26.519
that everybody agrees on is the fact that they were

762
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:32.559
being basically, I wouldn't say attacked, but these Sasquatch people

763
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.639
were trying to get into their house and one of

764
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:41.599
the brothers shot one and killed one. Nobody even denies it.

765
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.400
There's nobody on the team. There was no bigfoot attack

766
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.719
at Hanabby. There's nobody even saying that. It's just the

767
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.159
Everybody in that area is in agreement that all that

768
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.760
stuff happened. And it's amazing to me because usually you've

769
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:02.159
got this whole section of people over here that are like, oh,

770
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:05.320
they're full of crap, or they're a bunch of alcoholics

771
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.400
or whatever. You know what I'm saying. There's nobody in

772
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:14.079
that area denies that it happened. Everybody knows that it happened.

773
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.199
This is crazy, and some people were mad at because

774
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:21.119
they shot them, and some people thought it was justified.

775
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:26.079
But nobody in that area denies that it happened. Everybody

776
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.079
knows it happened.

777
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.679
Talking about the whole Nubby area, the locals there.

778
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.639
Everybody, well, everybody knows it happened. So that was a

779
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:40.280
real deal. So pretty crazy deal. It's sad that one

780
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.519
of the best watch people had to lose their lives, but.

781
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.960
Yeah, yeah, it's just and then there's a whole thing.

782
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.719
If there's four versions, who knows what version if the

783
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.199
version you heard is the true the real one speaking

784
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.199
to myself, but it's just yeah, and I don't know

785
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.960
if we'll ever know. I guess us what the correct

786
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.639
one is if the people who actually experienced it aren't talking.

787
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.519
But we'll leave that as it is. But I did

788
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.840
contact the Country store down there. I had a nice

789
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.679
chat with the owner. She was Yeah, she was nice.

790
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:15.320
She was nice.

791
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:18.119
So she was a nice lady. They got really good

792
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:22.079
food there too, thank Friday. Oh really, they have catfish

793
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:31.920
and their breakfast and cheeseburgers are the mom So.

794
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.000
One of my one of my bucket list items is

795
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:36.000
to get to one of the get to a festival

796
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:40.440
conference in Oklahoma someday. I think that would be pretty

797
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:46.119
cool weekend experience. I know it. That's what I hear.

798
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.880
There's another one coming up at the end of May

799
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:54.199
that's going to be in Tallahena, Oklahoma. That's really what

800
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.239
is that's a month and a half away. It's it's

801
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:02.280
actually in the town of Tallaheena. So they will have

802
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.719
amenities and whatnot, but they're having a bunch of guests, speakers,

803
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.880
and there'll be a few vendors there. But it's it's

804
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.199
less of a lot of these bigfoot things are like

805
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:18.159
a festival, right, there's a little bit less of a festival,

806
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:22.159
more of having actual guest speakers, and it's more about

807
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.480
the research and stuff like that than it really is

808
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.960
about the about the i don't know what you call it,

809
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.880
the funnel cakes and the widgets. So not that I'm

810
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.559
putting all that stuff down, because you know, I'm a

811
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.639
sucker for that kind of stuff too, but right, you

812
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:40.159
know what I mean?

813
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.079
Me too, Yeah, me too. Yeah that both of those

814
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.719
actually sound great. But the least locale I wanted to

815
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.360
talk to you about, just because it's come up a

816
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.360
few times in interviews. I've done the McGee Creek area.

817
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.079
Oh that one you've ever heard of.

818
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.960
I've never been there. I'll tell you what I do

819
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:03.280
know about it. A lot of people have had encounters

820
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.039
up there. And another thing that I find. That's very

821
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.920
odd about that place is for you to actually go

822
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:15.559
on to that location, you have to buy a special

823
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.639
permit from the State of Oklahoma to get in there.

824
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.360
You can't just yeah, it's and forgive me if I'm

825
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:29.280
getting this wrong. People, that place like a wildlife management area.

826
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.440
We've got those all over the state of Oklahoma. You

827
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.559
do not need a hunting license, you do not need

828
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.039
a fishing license. You can just go out there and

829
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:41.360
walk around and do this stuff. And I know of

830
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:45.320
two places in Oklahoma that you have to have a

831
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.719
special permit just to go to the place, or maybe

832
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.960
you have to have a fishing license or something. But

833
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.519
it's one is mcgree Creek and the other one is

834
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:59.760
Three Rivers, WMA, which is real close to han Alby.

835
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.880
But yeah, those few places have a special some kind

836
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:10.599
of special designation within the Wildlife Department for that kind

837
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:16.800
of stuff. That's one of those places that McGee Creek

838
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.599
is a place that I haven't been to yet, but

839
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.360
I just it's one of those things. I've got all

840
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.519
these other places that I've been going to on a

841
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.400
regular basis that are producing evidence and I just haven't

842
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:36.199
I don't know, I haven't. Sometimes you've got to condense.

843
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:40.559
And if you just go to all these different spots

844
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.679
and just bounce around, you'll get less actual evidence and

845
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:48.360
you won't get to know the areas as well as

846
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:52.599
if you pick three locations that you know hasen cryptid

847
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:56.239
activity and if you just pound the ground with those

848
00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.199
and just keep going on a regular basis. And when

849
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.400
you do that, it helps keep and even maybe the Sasquatch,

850
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.480
you get to know you better and maybe even begin

851
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.559
to feel more comfortable with its possibility. McGee Creek is

852
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:13.760
on one of my lists of places that I would

853
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:19.000
like to go, but we've got possibly better places that

854
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:24.760
are closer and McGee Creek is They are there, but

855
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:29.519
I wouldn't put McGee Creek in the I don't know,

856
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:31.639
maybe in the top ten, but it would definitely be

857
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.760
on the lower end locations. But it is weird that

858
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.480
it has that special designation.

859
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.639
Have you heard a account or story over the years

860
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:47.119
if it had happened to you, you would not be

861
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.920
going to that area. You'd stay clear out of it.

862
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.480
Ninety five percent of all of the crypto encounters that happen,

863
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:00.599
they are what I consider to be benevolent encounters. A

864
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:05.320
lot of people will say it was violent or roared

865
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.199
at me, or it was hostile, or it was aggressive.

866
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.800
When you're talking about a creature that's as big and

867
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.639
as fast as powerful as them, if they wanted to

868
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:18.119
get you there that got you. I can't really, there's

869
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:23.000
not been There's only a handful of encounters where people

870
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.519
actually got hurt from these things. Ninety nine percent of

871
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:33.320
all bigfoot and dog man encounters are basically benevolent. If

872
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:35.280
they roar at you, they just want you to leave.

873
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.960
I can't think of any that I think would have

874
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:46.840
scared me to my core. Probably one of the scariest

875
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.119
ones that I think probably would have come real close

876
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:53.840
to shaking me to my core would be like Caitanya

877
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:59.840
cordex encounter where she's hiking down a trail and she

878
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.159
turns around and looks you hear something behind her, turns

879
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:08.519
around and looks and there's a giant male bigfoot standing

880
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.920
there staring at her like in close proximity, and that

881
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:17.800
scared the bejeebers out of her. And I think that

882
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:23.079
would probably be like the scariest thing ever to just

883
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.440
be a not a knower, just you don't even have

884
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.440
a clue and then you turn around and there it is.

885
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.840
I think that's the shock of it all and having

886
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.760
your world cave in around you. That would be probably,

887
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.880
in my opinion, the most traumatic thing that you could

888
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.920
probably run into. People don't get bit by these things

889
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.360
or punched or clawed or anything like that. You could

890
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.039
argue that well to survive. The people that do don't

891
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.800
live to tell that. Where's the evidence for that. We've

892
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.440
got all these reports of people that bluff charged me

893
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:06.360
or roared at me, But hey, yeah, you still made

894
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.719
it to the car. So I don't really necessarily think

895
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:14.719
that there is dangerous. They're capable of great violence, but

896
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.559
I think they show some kind of restraint. I think

897
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.920
something either common sense or some kind of spiritual barrier

898
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:27.800
is keeping them from tearing us from limb to limb.

899
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.079
Maybe it's just maybe it's just good manners. I don't

900
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.719
know what it is. It's hard to make a judgment

901
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:39.440
call on that. Yeah, I think having just bumping into

902
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.320
one would just be the scariest thing that you could

903
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:43.679
possibly happen to you.

904
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.760
Have you found that there's a certain a certain thing

905
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:54.440
you can do that will lead into a higher likelihood

906
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.920
of encountering a big foot or is it more just

907
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:00.880
right time I'm the right place.

908
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.360
I think ninety percent of it is just putting yourself

909
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.440
in the right place. And if you want to know

910
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:11.960
what the actual key to finding evidence or possibly even

911
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.199
promoting an encounter, I would say, you're going to have

912
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.639
to go camping. That's the thing. We got all these people,

913
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.400
and I'm going to pick on them a little bit.

914
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.320
We got all these trolls that sit around and they

915
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:27.039
laugh at us and they make snine comments and stuff

916
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.400
from their easy chair man. You're going to have if

917
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:31.960
you're ever going to see anything, if you're ever going

918
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:33.920
to do anything, you got to get out in the

919
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.519
woods and you're going to have to get a take

920
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.360
or two. And that's really what it boils down to.

921
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:43.320
I have. I would say in the last five years,

922
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:51.639
I've actually seen with my eyes two to Sasquatch. One

923
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.119
wasn't a good view at all, but I could tell

924
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.800
that's what I was looking at because it was so big,

925
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.039
and I actually got that on film. But it's a joke.

926
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.639
Nobody even wants to look at it. It's in one

927
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.840
of my YouTube videos, but it's just I knew what

928
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.559
it was, but my film footage ain't gonna it's not

929
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.280
going to convince anybody. The other one, I saw a

930
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.159
tree peaker leaning out looking at me from behind a tree.

931
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:21.519
I had my cell phone in my hand, and I

932
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.159
was so dumbstruck that I didn't even think to use it.

933
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.039
So I've seen them twice in the last five years.

934
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:34.840
And I would say that I go camping all weekend

935
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:40.320
long at least twice a month, twice a month, so

936
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:45.159
I'm in Yeah, I'm in the woods anyway, and that's

937
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.599
not counting day trips. So I would be willing to

938
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.199
bet you that I'm in the woods seven eight days

939
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.159
a month, easy. And that's you know, like spring break,

940
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.679
we were out there for five days straight over Christmas Break.

941
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.880
I'm a school teacher my work hours. I'll spend a

942
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.199
week in the woods over Christmas break. If I spend

943
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.679
any more than that, my wife will kill me. During

944
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.480
the summertime, I spend a lot of time in the

945
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.840
woods as long as it's not ridiculously hot. You need

946
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.199
the drill. But I'm out there probably more than just

947
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.719
about anybody you've ever met. I spend a lot of time,

948
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:25.920
and I've spent a ton of time in the woods

949
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.719
my whole life. I was a Scout leader for years

950
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:33.679
and years and that's what I've always done. And before

951
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.159
I started doing this bigfoot thing, I was a hunter

952
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.360
and I spend a lot of time in the woods,

953
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.679
hunting deer and hunting coyotes and just hunting whatever whatever

954
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.079
got me out in the woods. I've always loved to

955
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.800
spend time in the woods. And if you want one

956
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:53.119
thing that is going to help aid you, it's you're

957
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.920
going to have to spend at least a week a

958
00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:00.440
month in the woods, and that's a good start.

959
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.599
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

960
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.960
Step two would probably be to choose your locations wisely.

961
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.599
Absolutely, I definitely agree with the second one for sure.

962
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.559
Yeah, that's about as solid as I can get.

963
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.840
So I've had the opportunity to go out a few

964
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:41.239
times in Iowa with some researchers. Have you found that

965
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:48.159
you start having activity right away or is it always

966
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.239
like for us it seems to be like the second

967
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:56.159
the second night, or it's just it's weird. I don't

968
01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:59.159
know how to it. Maybe that's just coincidence, but.

969
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.760
I think there may be something to what you're saying,

970
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.119
because except for that one night when I had the

971
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.960
two juveniles come in, that was the first night we

972
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:12.400
got there, and I think we just bumbled into them.

973
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.360
But from what I've noticed, it seems like the first

974
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:22.800
night is almost always uneventful. Later on, though, that's when

975
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:26.880
more stuff starts happening, and that's when you'll have encounters.

976
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.360
A lot of times, it seems like the third night

977
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.960
has to do. The second or third night is when

978
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.239
things will usually happen. At that point, they're probably wondering

979
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.480
when you're going to leave, and I don't know why

980
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:45.360
that is, but there is possibly something to that. Most

981
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.440
of the time, though, I would say ninety percent of

982
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:50.480
the time, the first night is usually uneventful.

983
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:58.119
That's interesting. You mentioned that you had seen a tree peaker.

984
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.800
How far away from you was that and did you

985
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.599
were you able to notice any details of culture?

986
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:10.559
There wasn't any details. Really. My buddy Coleman and I

987
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:15.280
we were walking in the rain, like being bats. We

988
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:21.679
were out looking and searching in the rain, and we

989
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:26.519
was just walking along this trail and something just told me,

990
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.719
you need to turn around and look back the way

991
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.519
that you came, and so I took about a half

992
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.880
a step backwards and I looked back the way we came,

993
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.480
and that's when I saw it. I saw this head

994
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:44.559
leaning out from behind a tree, and it was it

995
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.239
was oblong shape, which kind of made me think it

996
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:50.920
kind of conical head, but it's hard to tell. But

997
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:55.159
it's leaning out, it's looking and at first I was

998
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.880
just like, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. I just

999
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:00.280
took my breath away and I was like wow. And

1000
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:02.639
I'm sitting here thinking all this stuff, and I'm like,

1001
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.559
that's really it. That's really it. I'm seeing one. It's

1002
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.559
right there, it's right there. And then the thought crossed

1003
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.960
my mind. It's like, man, I really I want Coleman

1004
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:12.760
to see this. I want Coleman to see this. So

1005
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:14.599
I was like, Coleman, come, I need you to come

1006
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:18.039
over here real quick. And Coleman comes over there and

1007
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:20.000
he's like, what's up. And I'm like, I need you

1008
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.320
to pretend like you're talking to me. But what you're

1009
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:23.639
going to do is you're going to look over my

1010
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:26.360
left shoulder and you're going to look just past my ear,

1011
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:28.679
but you're going to pretend like you're looking at me.

1012
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:30.719
And we're going to keep talking, like we're just chatting

1013
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:33.239
it up. He's like, Okay, I said, do you see

1014
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.360
those two big trees over there? And he goes yeah,

1015
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.800
And I go, do you see the head leaning out?

1016
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.199
And he's like, no, I don't. Oh yeah, I see it.

1017
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:45.639
And you can just see his eyes open up a

1018
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:48.440
little bit and he's sitting here and he's looking at

1019
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.280
it too, and neither one of us are even thinking

1020
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.559
about our cell phones or anything. It's just like, wow,

1021
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:57.280
there it is. There's one really right there. And so

1022
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.840
we watched it for a few minutes, but I don't know,

1023
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.320
I just couldn't resist and I ended up turning around

1024
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.440
trying to look again, and that's when it disappeared. And

1025
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:10.920
I actually saw it pull back behind the tree once,

1026
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.920
and so I saw it move and that's what just

1027
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.199
I was just like, oh my gosh. Anyway, it was

1028
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.480
so cool. It was just so cool getting to see it.

1029
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.440
But we ended up going back out there the next day,

1030
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.960
and so we went and we stood where we were

1031
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:29.280
and then my buddy Jeff goes over there and stands

1032
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.000
where this thing was behind this tree. And this is

1033
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.679
the part that freaked me out. We took a laser rangefinder,

1034
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:40.119
and we ranged it out. It one hundred and twenty yards,

1035
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.559
so it was like the length of a football field,

1036
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.280
and I still to this day, I don't think it

1037
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:53.360
was that far. But this thing was so tall. I

1038
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:59.119
could barely see Jeff over there. And when Jeff lifted

1039
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.960
his hand all way up in the air, it was

1040
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.280
barely up there where we could see it, which means

1041
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:11.519
this thing and Jeff is six foot tall, and this

1042
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:14.840
thing literally had to have been ten foot tall. It

1043
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:18.960
was a beast. It was massive. It was huge, and

1044
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.159
I think that's part of the reason why in my

1045
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:24.599
head I thought it was a lot closer than what

1046
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:29.239
it was. It was further away. It was just really big,

1047
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:31.639
and I think that's the fact that there was a

1048
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.840
little bit more distance to it than what I thought.

1049
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:37.320
I think that's why I couldn't get a whole lot

1050
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:42.239
of detail, you know what I mean. But still I

1051
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.920
just I don't know. It was I feel very fortunate

1052
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.800
to have actually gotten to see that, and that was

1053
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:52.800
really exciting. That actually happened at Hayburn Lake and there

1054
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:58.440
south west of Tulsa, Oklahoma, and that was probably about

1055
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:02.760
a year ago, And man, that was a thrill, say

1056
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:05.480
the least you live for stuff like that, So.

1057
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:10.519
I don't know how I would respond to that, but

1058
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.599
hats off to you for being able to handle that

1059
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.639
so easily, and so your buddy was able to see

1060
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.880
it as well. That's pretty cool. Over the years, have

1061
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:23.840
you had the have you been able to talk to

1062
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:27.440
any I guess you would say law enforcement officials or

1063
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.880
forestry workers or whatever the equivalent is called down in

1064
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.400
Oklahoma about cryptids.

1065
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:40.199
Or It's interesting that I personally have not had any

1066
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:45.920
law enforcement friends or people that I know that are

1067
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:52.079
actually like knowers. I have met. I wouldn't call them

1068
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:56.320
my friends, but I've been introduced to two different individuals,

1069
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.840
and I'm not going to mention their names or what

1070
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:03.880
state parks they want, but both of them were State

1071
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:11.159
of Oklahoma Parks and Recreation rangers, and they were both knowers.

1072
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.480
One of them, he was a very nice guy. He

1073
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:18.719
saw my big foot sticker on my car, struck up

1074
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:23.920
a conversation, gave me his business card. He said that

1075
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:28.280
he knew that they existed, he'd seen him before, and

1076
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:31.400
he was just real open and friendly about it. But

1077
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:36.159
I know that that's probably unusual for that now for

1078
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.159
one of those guys to just talk to a stranger

1079
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:43.760
and tell them. But he was pretty confident. He said,

1080
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:46.079
I know for a fact that there's not any of

1081
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:50.480
these creatures at this state park. And the funny thing is,

1082
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:52.880
I've actually gotten reports from the state park that he

1083
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:56.320
was working at, and he was apparently not aware of them,

1084
01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.239
but I didn't want to contradise him. And the other

1085
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.079
one was a fellow that I was introduced to who

1086
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:06.559
is a park ranger, and I was introduced to him

1087
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:11.960
via third party and he's a knower too, and I'm

1088
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.480
not going to tell his story or how he knows

1089
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:17.600
because there are a few people that know who he

1090
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:22.439
is and I think it's brought him some grief, so

1091
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.960
just to be professional and not bring them out. But yeah,

1092
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:31.239
I've met two of them who are knowers, but they're

1093
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:35.399
not really super talkative about it, and they definitely don't

1094
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.199
want to go public about it. But as far as

1095
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:45.560
like any law enforcement officers know. But on the flip side,

1096
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:52.319
the former head of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations,

1097
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:59.199
I believe his name is mister Pratt. He I can't

1098
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:03.119
remember his first name now. Many one time, he's a knower,

1099
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:07.159
and he was a very high ranking official within the

1100
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.600
state of Oklahoma. He was the head of the OSBI.

1101
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:14.359
That's basically I don't know n CIS or whatever the

1102
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:17.119
TV show is going right now. He was the head

1103
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:21.239
for the whole state. And he's a knower, very Henry

1104
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.640
Print I think it's his name. Super smart dude. There

1105
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:30.159
are people within the state that hold those positions that

1106
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:34.239
they're knowers, but they don't talk about it as much.

1107
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:38.479
It usually just brings you nothing but grief when you

1108
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.800
come out of the closet, you know what I'm saying.

1109
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:50.239
So, is that Harvey Prett Harvey, Yes, because that's the

1110
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:55.560
guy who did the tryings in David Poladi's book, Right, Yeah,

1111
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.840
I think it's the same dude.

1112
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:03.840
He's that's int Oh yeah, he's probably the I don't know,

1113
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:09.279
most famous law enforcement person that I've ever heard of.

1114
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:13.079
That's a knower, And I think that's enough. He's about

1115
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.600
as far up there as you can go. He was

1116
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:19.359
a big dog before he retired, and he's a very

1117
01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:23.800
friendly man. So place he impressed me. But anyway, I

1118
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:27.479
don't I'm sure there's others. I'm sure there are. It's

1119
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:32.520
just who do you. You know, they're not coming out

1120
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.720
and talking. You've got that phenomenon. They just don't talk.

1121
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:42.640
Oklahoma's tight lipped anyway, And it's just the stigma. It's

1122
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:48.359
the stigma that surrounds it. These people, these law enforcement individuals,

1123
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:55.960
their judgment is everything for them because if they're crazy

1124
01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:01.199
or deemed incompetent, I mean that their testimony is worthless,

1125
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:06.359
and their testimony is true probably their most important thing.

1126
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:11.760
So they have to maintain that higher level of integrity,

1127
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:16.920
and they probably guard it much more protected than most people,

1128
01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:18.399
your average Joe would.

1129
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:24.640
Absolutely There's one last question that I want to ask you.

1130
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.319
You're an absolute wealth and knowledge and I really appreciate it.

1131
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:32.800
There's another location I had just reminded myself of and

1132
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.319
just because I've gotten a lot of stuff from that

1133
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.560
area over the last few weeks. This is the Beaver's

1134
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:44.199
Bend area of Oklahoma. Yeah, and so here's the thing.

1135
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.880
It's like half the people are like, you're crazy because

1136
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.640
it's just a tourist area when I talk about it.

1137
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.560
But there's some other people that are like, Okay, it

1138
01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:55.279
is weird there. So I'm curious, like what your take

1139
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:57.880
on it is. Is it just a tourist area or

1140
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.000
is there weird stuff that I actually happens there.

1141
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.720
My area is Anad is not far from there.

1142
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.399
Oh snap, well okay.

1143
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:13.399
Yeah, it's no. I mean, it's it really is a

1144
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:17.039
tourist trap. Now. When when I first started going down

1145
01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.560
to Hanabi years ago, or not han Nabi, we called

1146
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:24.760
Huci town that that place was dead. There was nothing there.

1147
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:30.000
There was a filling station and a bank and a

1148
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.439
post office and a couple of other little stores. But

1149
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:37.359
now it's like exploding and it's turned into this tourist trap.

1150
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.760
And you've got all these rich urban bikers that ride

1151
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:44.319
out there, and and they ride out there and they're

1152
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:48.439
running around and it's quite the vacation. It's very pretty,

1153
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:52.239
it really is. And there's been a flood of people

1154
01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:55.920
moving to the area. But you're right, there's a lot

1155
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.960
of encounters down there. I know that there was a

1156
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.600
I don't know exactly what it is. I'm seeking more

1157
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.079
information on this case file, but I just received a

1158
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.840
story and it might have been from one of your yours.

1159
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.960
As a matter of fact, it was. It came to me,

1160
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:16.760
but it was about that service technician at the restaurant

1161
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:21.439
over there that had a bigfoot staring at him while

1162
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:24.840
he was working on the roof or something. Was that

1163
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:26.359
you or was that another.

1164
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.560
I don't think it actually was. I've gotten a lot

1165
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:34.760
of skin, actually skin walker stuff from that areadly enough.

1166
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:39.640
I don't have any skin, but anyway, but yeah, there's

1167
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there's a lot of stuff that goes on in that area.

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It's not necessarily like the Beaver's Bend area. I would

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01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:51.319
say it's more like the Broken Bow Lake area, because

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Beaver's Been is the river where it comes out of

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Broken Bow Lake, and that area is just there is

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01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.600
there's a lot of activity. It's draw big circle around

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01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:09.600
the lake. Honestly, they're everywhere down southeastern Oklahoma. They really are.

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01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:14.239
There's no area throw a dart at the map there.

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01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:18.279
If there's a water source there there. I'd be hesitant

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01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:21.000
to even try to guess how many of the Sasquatch

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01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:24.840
people are actually living down in there. I think it's

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01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:28.000
a lot more than more people realize. Man, you get

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01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:32.880
down there in that Washington National Forest, it is huge.

1180
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.439
It's absolutely huge. The camp spot that we were camping

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01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:41.800
at was thirteen miles back in from the closest blacktop

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01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:48.039
road into the National Forest. Wow that we joke around,

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01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.840
but we're serious. We always say whatever you don't get

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01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:53.399
hurt out here, you'll believe out before we get to

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01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.720
the Blacktop. It's no joke, but it's very serious. We're

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01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.640
out there in the middle of nowhere. There is there's

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01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:08.600
very few hospitals. There's just no civilization. There's vast areas

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01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:10.119
where there's just no people living.

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Nothing big for society will be right back after these messages.

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The habitat is there. The amount of wild hogs is

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01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.439
down there in southeastern Oklahoma could feed a small army.

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01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.359
It's just you'll see packs of wild hogs, of thirty

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01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:46.479
forty fifty hogs in one pack running around down there.

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01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:47.640
Really.

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01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:53.119
Oh yeah, oh man, we're talking barbecue buffet. The volume

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01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:57.239
of food that is available to them down there is massive.

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01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:01.920
And I'm here to tell you right now, unless you've

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01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:06.039
been down there in the National Forest and you've walked it,

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you can just get out or just drive it. You

1200
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:15.840
cannot possibly fathom how big that place is. I've been

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01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.600
going down to that place now for ten years off

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01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:26.159
and on, and I have not I've always joking around

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01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.239
with my buddy Eric. This last time we drive by road.

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01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:31.439
I like, I've never been down that road. I've never

1205
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:33.720
been down that road. I don't know what's down there.

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01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:37.279
I've been going down there forever, not forever, but a

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01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:40.520
long time, and there's just so much of it that

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01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:43.479
I've never even seen, and it's just right there. I

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01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:49.119
just a it's absolutely unfathomed. How big the Washington National

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01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:52.319
Forest is. Now, Let's talk about the Jack Fork Mountains.

1211
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.680
Let's talk about the Winding Stair area. Let's talk about

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01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:59.399
the Three Rivers area, Let's talk about the Hanamby Wildlife

1213
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:03.119
Management Area. Is just it never ends down there. The

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01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:07.640
Ozark National Forest, let's go north a little bit. There

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01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:13.560
is city people do not have a clue how much

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01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:19.359
real estate is down there and how unaccessible it is.

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01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:26.039
We cannot get into some of these places. Literally. Wow,

1218
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:30.880
for a city person, just imagine this. You put Oklahoma City,

1219
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.399
the entire all the burbs, you put it all together,

1220
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:39.960
and take Tulsa and Broken Air though it all together

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01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:44.520
in the Washtaw National Forest is at least ten or

1222
01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:47.239
fifteen times bigger than that.

1223
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:48.000
That's wild.

1224
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:50.319
Yeah, and there's nobody living out there.

1225
01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:55.399
Oh man, that's no wonder. Something can live out there

1226
01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:56.279
like that, not.

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01:17:56.239 --> 01:18:01.279
Just something a civilization of something. There could be a

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01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:03.680
dinosaur roaming around down there, and I don't think anybody

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01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:04.159
know it.

1230
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:09.119
Do you think there's dinosaurs down there? Okay? I mean,

1231
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.439
I'm dude. I've heard stories out of Canada, so I

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01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.039
was like, wow, double check.

1233
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:16.640
Some terrosaurs or something.

1234
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:17.279
But there you go.

1235
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.760
Yeah, that's a whole different category. But the point is,

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01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:22.319
unless you've been down there and you've driven through it

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01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:27.000
or walked it, you really just you cannot imagine how

1238
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:33.039
big those places are. And that's just Oklahoma. Let's go

1239
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:36.479
to Colorado and let's talk about the Rio Grande National Forest.

1240
01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:42.600
You get lost over there, they'll never find you. Well,

1241
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:47.079
I'd never find you. No, it's just some of these places.

1242
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.439
It's if you broke down and you're going to die,

1243
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.640
It would take you a day to walk out of

1244
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:57.119
some of these places unless somebody just happened to pick

1245
01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:02.000
you up. Yeah, And I don't think people really realize

1246
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:05.920
how remote some of these places can really be. And

1247
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:09.239
other than a rental cabin here or there, that an

1248
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:14.920
Airbnb rental cabin, there's no civilization out there. It's beautiful,

1249
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.960
it really is. And I think that's why they're out there.

1250
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:25.399
These forests are massive, and I think there's whole communities

1251
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:29.960
of these creatures living out there, and they're just doing

1252
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.840
what they want to do. And contrary to popular belief,

1253
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:38.840
I don't think they need our help. Nature don't need

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01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:39.800
our government's help.

1255
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:42.560
No, definitely not.

1256
01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:44.359
No, I don't need my government's help.

1257
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:48.239
Yeah, the government can stay away from Bigfoot for sure,

1258
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:52.239
although who knows, they probably have their hands.

1259
01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:56.760
I'm sure they probably, they probably do. I mean, it

1260
01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:59.279
would be stupid to think that the government is not

1261
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:03.199
aware of But yeah, maybe for once the government is

1262
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:06.039
smart enough to just leave them alone.

1263
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:09.560
That'd be great, that would be that would be amazing.

1264
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:14.479
But yeah, Brian, it has been so fun chatting with you.

1265
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:17.479
Thank you so much for coming on. Do you mind

1266
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:20.199
sharing how if you could take a minute or two

1267
01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:24.039
to share the different ways that people can keep up

1268
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:27.840
to date with Red Dirt Cryptid investigations.

1269
01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:32.600
Our primary hub, of course, is our Facebook page. That's

1270
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.079
where we post a bunch of stuff and people chat

1271
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:39.079
and people talk. So check us out on Facebook, follow

1272
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:43.920
us on YouTube. Of course. My YouTube videos are not

1273
01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:47.800
faked at all. I just I take you guys with me.

1274
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:51.560
I film whenever we get out there, basically me and

1275
01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:55.079
my guys out there in the woods actually looking for evidence.

1276
01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:57.359
And that's really if you want to see our evidence,

1277
01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:01.239
it's in our YouTube channel. Do try to that pretty seriously,

1278
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.119
although we do joke around a little bit. You have to,

1279
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:10.319
but on YouTube, We're on TikTok as well work on Instagram,

1280
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:12.479
but I don't really pay a whole lot of attention to that,

1281
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:15.680
and I don't know. There's a couple of other knickknack

1282
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.199
apps that we're on, but primarily TikTok, YouTube and Facebook.

1283
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:22.520
And if you'd like to get a hold of me,

1284
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:25.840
just go to our Facebook page. The easiest way to

1285
01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:28.239
do it is just find me on the Facebook page.

1286
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:31.199
I'm one of the admins and just hit me up

1287
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.640
on Facebook Messenger. You can send me an email too,

1288
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:38.279
but that takes longer, and hey, let's face it, nobody

1289
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:38.880
likes type it.

1290
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.520
I hope some people that hear this. I have to

1291
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:46.000
have information about the areas Brian's been talking about. Can

1292
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.520
I always reach out to him directly and I'll have

1293
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.159
some links in the show notes. But thank you so

1294
01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:54.039
much for coming on. Brian. Having real puch of fun.

1295
01:21:55.319 --> 01:21:57.840
I just I love sitting around talking about this stuff.

1296
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:01.000
It's nice being able to talk about this and just

1297
01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:05.840
have a good, positive atmosphere where people are willing to listen.

1298
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:10.399
It's good stuff. You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is

1299
01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:14.439
to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot

1300
01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:18.279
to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment.

1301
01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:22.039
But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced

1302
01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:25.800
something that you just can't explain, please send me an

1303
01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:30.880
email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we

1304
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.439
can start the conversation. And I know a lot of

1305
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:37.800
you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been

1306
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:41.520
twenty years and it's time that you get this off

1307
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.520
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1308
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:47.840
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1309
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:51.000
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1334
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the area west of Crater Lake, east of two thirty

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West Diamond Lake Highway and north of sixty two Crater

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