They Crossed The Line | Texas

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Big for Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Anna today. Anna as an individual who's a listener of the show, and she reached out to me through email about some very interesting experiences from back in the I believe nineteen seventies in Van Zandt County, Texas. So welcome to the show today, Anna, how's it going.

1:00 Well, first, I'm gonna correct you it was the nineteen sixties. Yes, ma'am, thank you. How are things down where you're at today. Pleasant, I'm actually about ninety minutes from where this took place, and I tell you, civilization has taken over. We were talking before the interview, and it sounds like it's a whole different world down there where we'll be talking about today. But you know, Anna, I'm going to go ahead and pass things right over to you. Feel free to take us back to the sixties to when this all started to happen for you, and we'll be listening.

1:48 Okay, Well, I will tell your viewers or excuse me, listeners and viewers that I had to keep myself notes, or I will tell you what took place in August before June. This has to keep me in chronological order, so you'll probably hear paper wrestling from time to time. This took place began taking place in June nineteen sixty six, when I was twelve years old. Back then, every second Sunday of the month for several years, my family visited some of my dad's relatives and what was back then the deep woods of Van Zink County, Texas. My dad had grown up just a short walk from their house, so they were very close e mostly this including my uncle Jess, his wife, aunt Johnny, their adult's son Lewis, whose wife was Lenny, and the four children that ranged in ages from three to twelve. Back then, like it was common in that part of Texas, three generations lived in the same house. They didn't have indoor plumbing, but they did have electric and they were absolutely the first people in the community to have electricity. That's how rural it was. Great Uncle had to pay to have these huge structures brought into through the county so that he

3:18 could have electricity in his house and ended up providing electricity for his neighbors as well. In June, we made an exception to our regular businesys schedule. Instead of going on a Sunday, we went on the second Saturday and do what our parents called trading kids. I would stay with the family while Lewis's eldest son, Pete went to visit with my brothers for a week. Lewis eldest daughter, Judy, was a year younger than me, and we were both two great nature lovers, which is why we loved to explore the woods together. Lewis had another daughter, she preferred to do things alone since she was an introvert, and their youngest son, well he was only three, so he was always with his mama. Shortly after we arrived, Judy exiledly rushed up to me. I've got a surprise for you, she exclaimed, as she led me into the woods. After about a thirty minute walk, we came upon a large meadow in the middle of the woods. It was ten acres large, and that late spring day, it was covered with beautiful flowers. We sat down on a fallen tree to take in its beauty. Insects were buzzing around and birds were happily singing. I don't know how long we sat there, mesmerized by its beauty, when suddenly it got quiet,

4:49 spooky quiet. Judy and I knew it couldn't mean that there was a preasure nearby, so we sat there, visually skinning the area. Suddenly the silence was broken by grunting. At first I thought it was pigs, but it didn't quite sound like pigs. Besides, it wasn't near the ground like pigs. It was up in the trees. Amazed, I asked Judy, what is that, missus dismissed at least, she answered pigs. I corrected her, No, listen, it's not pigs.

5:30 It's up in the trees, and you know pigs can't climb, and there's no such thing as flying pigs. Judy paused and listened, with a puzzle look on her face. I asked her how high up in the trees was the grunting. She gets twenty feet high. I told her that my guess was two twenty foot high. Then I asked her it doesn't quite sound like pigs either. She agreed. Then there was this strange vocalization. It began with a high aid and went down the musical scale to a note so deep no human could ever duplicate it. What was that?

6:10 I asked Judy to miss it dismissed iff lace, She answered, some bird, I astonished, our rebuker, Judy, you know that I play the piano, so I know some things about music. She nodded. If that is a bird, it's bigger than your dad. Then we both felt like something was watching us, not in a threatening light, even so, it gave us the creeps, and somehow it made us feel chilly, so we rubbed our arms to warm ourselves. Judy the word, I think we need to go home, I agreed. Uncle Jess, who was his grandfather, kept us lives stop in three different pastures according to their time. On the east side of their backyard was a goat pasture. It was separated on their backyard by a barbed wire fence. These was the goat's only fence, since my uncle wanted them free to search the woods for tender plants to eat. This gave the woods on his land a more manicured look while feeding his goats, and he didn't have to worry about their safety because they just naturally came back to the pastor when the sun started setting because they had to spend the evenings sleeping close together as the sun was, so he never had to worry about losing any of his goats. On the other hand, he couldn't trust his cattle and horses to do that. The cattle pasture was

7:40 along the south side of their yard and surrounded by wood planks on all four sides. The horse pastor faced the front yard, but it was about five hundred feet away. Still feeling unnerved by what had happened by the meadow, we needed some comic relief, so we sat on a fallen tree in a goat pasture. Soon we were laughing out loud as we watched her kids play. At noon, Judy's mom, Lenny, opened the back door of the house and announced dinner was ready, and that part of Texas called their noontime meal dinner, and at the kitchen at every meal, the table was covered with large bowls and serving platters full of delicious food. It always felt like a feast. After dinner, I could tell by the look in Judy's eyes that she still felt uncomfortable about what happened by the meadow, So when she suggested that we stay inside for the rest of the day, I agreed.

8:39 That evening of her supper, my parents, my two brothers, and Judy's brother Pete left for our home in Dallas suburb for a week long visit. During the same week I would be at the door. Had a one bedroom home that sat on four foot high tall stills because the sad Being River was nearby and they wanted to be prepared in cases they were flooded. Where did all those people sleep? Along the south side of the house was what they called a porch that was the entire length of the house. From four feet downward. The walls were covered with ship lamp the next three feet upward metal windows screening span three sides of the porch except for the door. Above the screening was another foot that was also covered with shiplaps. On the outside of the porch was awning that Judy's mother and grandmother had made of heavy cotton canvas. They ow both sides of the canvas to both waterproof that and to prevent mildew. They also sold canvas straps. On the awning and the warm and hot months, the cavas was rolled up and the straps were tied to screw eyes above the screening, and the cool and cold months, the canvas was unrolled so that it covered the screening and tied to the straps were tied to the screw eyes below the screening. Then a wood burning stove would be brought into the porch.

10:09 Just made the porch cozy even in the dead of winter. Three full sized beds, sitting about four feet apart, were on the porch. This is where Judy's grandparents, her siblings, and herself slept, and her parents slept in the one bedroom. Since her dad, Lewis, got up at four am to go to his job in Dallas. As soon as it got dark outside, Judas suggested that we get on her bed with the lights off and watch for small animals that would come under the fence. Oh, what a wonderful deep There was a roll of mature oak trees that grew just a few feet from the fence and the cattle pasture. A family of rabbits lived in the borough under one of the trees. We watched them up under the fence to graze on the short grass of the yarn as we talked softly. Since there was a full moon that night, it was easy to see them. At nine o'clock, all the lights were turned off and everyone went to bed. It was easy to fall asleep with all the fresh air flowing through the screen. I slept in the middle of bed with Judy Uncle Jess, and then Johnny slept in the bed to her left. As it turned out, Uncle Jess just four feet from me, very protectively, nothing ever happened. He loved his tot be there to protect his grandkids. Something woke me up. It

11:42 was in the middle of the night and everyone was asleep there I heard it again. Uncle Jess's two colliagues were under the house, directly under our bed, and they were making that sound dogs make when they are afraid of a larger animal. It's like they're too afraid to growl light, but they have to make some kind of sound, so a low, mumbled growl comes out. I worried that some predator was in the cattle pasture and wondered if I should break up Uncle Jest or not. Suddenly a man jumped up in a break between the trees. The full moon was behind him, so all I could see was a black silhouette of him. I could see him from shoulders upwards. He looked straight up, then turned his head to the right and to the left. Once again, he turned his head to the right and to his left, then dropped outside. At the same time, the two colleagues rushed out from under the house, and they were wiggling sideways, like dogs do when they are happy to see someone do very fond of I guess I must have gasped, because I heard Uncle Jesson say in a loud whisper, what are you looking at? So I told him what I just share with you, squatters hee, he whispered in disgust.

13:11 I'm always having trouble with him trying to take my land without paying for it. I'll take care of them in the morning. Then he explained, and I'll interrupt my story, but to explain this, we do not have leopards in Texas. We have jaguars. But my family didn't know that. They called the jaguar leopard, so I'll probably be calling it a leopard as well. And my uncle went on to say, when I see the leopard in the during the day, it doesn't mess with me. So I don't mess with him. But if I surprised him in the dark, I would beat his next meal. That's why I don't go in the cattle pasture at night. Go back to sleep. That was easy. The next morning, Judy and I woke to the smell of biscuits in the oven. We quickly got dressed and rushed to the kitchen table. Soon the rest of the family was sitting around the table, asking why Uncle Jess was missing. Aunt Johnny explained that he was looking for squatters. After we finished eating, Aunt Johnny ordered Judy and made the sit so we could see through a certain window. Then, pointing to the fence post, she said, Jess, we'll hitch his horse to that fence post when he comes back. As soon as you see him, tell me.

14:33 So I can start his breakfast. While Judy's mother, Linny was washing dishes. Aunt Johnny prepared more biscuit dough. She cut in the rounds and placed them on a pan. After that, she got everything else ready, so she be cooking breakfast for Uncle Jess as soon as we saw him. And sure enough, as soon as Judy and I announced that Uncle Jess was back, Aunt Johnny went to work cooking his breakfast, and all the rest of the family gathered around the table to hear his report. Big for Society will be right back. After these messages, we weren't prepared for what we saw.

15:30 When Uncle Jess opened the door, he looked pale and spooped. We walked to the table. He walked to the table and sit down, still looking spooped. He answered that one of his best breathing cows was missing and he could not figure out how they took it out of the astor without waking up Uncle Chalk, I forgot to explain that his brother, Charles, whom we all called Chalk, lived in a tent that he set up right by the cattle gate. The cattle gate made a loud creeeking sound anytime you opened it, and the chain they used to chain to hold and attach it to a fence post.

16:23 It was a heavy chain. You could not remove that chain quietly, so how could anyone open that gate without waking up? Uncle Chalk, who was just in a cameas tent. Aunt Johnny said his breakfast down on the table in front of him before he start. Before he started eating, he told me to tell them what I seen that night. Louis, who had a job Monday through Friday, was off because that was Sunday morning. Yes, just dad, if he was going back out to search again. Uncle just said yes. Then Lewis told him he wanted to join him. Aunt Johnny, pata, be sure to take your long guns and plenty of bullets.

17:09 She then filled two canteens with water and filled two lunch sacks with biscuits. When they returned for dinner, they both looked smoot as they reported that they could not find either a trace of the cow or squatters. Uncle Chalk soon joined us for dinner. Then he joined Uncle Jess and Lewis on horseback as they searched for that missing cow and signs of squatters. But when they returned for supper, they had not found any they were totally mystified, totally.

17:49 This just did not make sense. They searched. After they searched around the fence, they searched the path from the gate to the road that led to their house for try for any sign that someone had come there. They couldn't find any human footprints. They couldn't see the cow footprints, and the land was covered with sand. According to where you dug, it was either two to three inches deep. So if a cow had walked across that sandy land, it were left prince and without. No man could pick up a five on a pound cow and carry it off.

18:31 This just didn't make sense. Why was it missing? Oh? Well, that evening we went to bed at nine o'clock as usual, and something else woke me up. It wasn't for dogs this time. It was wood would someone was hitting two pieces of wood together, and someone else was hitting two pieces of wood together. I turned my head and saw that Uncle Jess also heard. He was sitting on the edge of his bed listening. He pointed, said, one's in the cattle pastor and one's in the goat pastor. This is how they're communicating. It's probably morse code. I took morse code when I was in the army, but I was never good at and I forgot everything I knew when I got out. So now we know there's at least two of them. But how did they remove the cow from the pastor anyway? We listened for a while and I finally fell back to sleep listening to the wooden knocking. The next day, Uncle Jess goes back out again and another cow's missing, and this was just as mysterious, no sign of preditors, just like it was before. If

20:04 it was a county, a wolf or the jaguar which we called leopard, it would have left blood and pieces of the animal left behind. All three animals have that in common. But there wasn't any. It was just like that cow disappeared, and once again there wasn't any human tracks. Uh Lewis had to it was already at work. But Uncle Chaluk joined up Uncle Jess as they searched the land for any any sign. Does a human being have been near that that calcropastor? It just did not make sense.

20:48 How could they how could they just disappear? It just did not make sense. And then they got on horseback and searched the woods for anything anything that could answer their question. And so when they came in for lunch, they were just as mystified, if not more so. This not makes sense. They warned us they were keeping all of us children inside the house. Well they because I didn't know what they were dealing with. So Judy and I had just found things to entertain ourselves with. Fortunately for Judy and me, we could always find something to talk about always, and again that night I was awakened by the sound of wood knocking, and that would be the case every single night that I was there. Sometimes Uncle Jeff would be awakened by it, sometimes he wasn't, And like, who were these people? How could they do that?

22:00 How could they be so close and leave no sign that they'd been there. Well, my parents came on Sunday and after supper. Oh, by the way, they brought Peepe back home too, and they after supper, we all got in our cars and went back to Dallas County where we lived, just all talking about this mysterious cattle disappearance. Just didn't make sense. Oh that was June. Come July, we go on the second Sunday as usual, and Judy rushes up to me, it's just got something else special to share with me. Because the land was on sand.

22:50 Whenever there was an area where there the grass was thin, a plant life was thin and the hard ring fell. It would carve another path in the gland. But the animals that lived near where that new path was didn't expect to see any humans coming down the path, and we could get closer to them. You see bobcats, foxes and other animals that lived along that new trail. Oh, it was a trill. And then we uh smell started smelling root beer. But that makes sense root beer in the middle of the woods. And Judy correct me said, well that's cessafras roots. For those who don't know when the root beer was first made, it was made from the roots of the Sassafi crass trees. And Judy explained the Sassafras frash trees do not have that aroma, just the rootster. So we knew that someone had unearthed some Sessafras trees. We just followed the scent out of curiosity.

24:05 And there was another mystery. It was a pit, a square pit. Who digs a square pit? Someone did? Wi sid had to be a squatter. I mean that the corners were right angled square. I mean, it was a square pit. And when they did it, they laid bare some of the sands fransh roots to the trees, and that's why it's noll so wonderful. The dirt clay, there was clay under the sand, and the clay was filled with that aroma. Whoever had dug the pit had also formed a ramp from ground level to the floor of the pit and carve out two chairs out of the clay.

25:04 What a wonderful place this was, What a wonderful place. Judy and I searched the area for any sign of burnt wood or land where someone had been cooking meals, and we both agreed that whatever squatter it was that had dug this pit must have had one of those camping stoves that my parents had that was fueled by but tane. And so anyway, we went down the pit and set down on the chairs and enjoyed a long visit. Before we had left, her grandmother had given us sandwiches.

25:46 She made certainly we had pockets, because we weren't allowed to throw your dresh down in her woods. No, no, no, you had to put the trash in your pockets. And we weren't allowed to take anything to drink. She just told us drink. If you eat slow enough, you won't need to bring can things. And so we sat there and ate our lunch and joined it wonderful Aroma, and we bos said this was the perfect place for us to be. There were shrubs all on all four sides, so we could be close to the ground and look under the shrubs and watch for more animals. This wonderful.

26:29 This was a wonderful place. And speaking of animals, I realized where I was sitting that there was a bombcat's kittens. I knew that mother would be eager to move her kittens away from these humans, So I went to where Judy was and I told her about it. We agreed. We just turned their bags and lade her take her kittens away from that area. Then, after we were sure if she was finished, we sat back in those clays and yzits some more. I honestly don't know how much time we were there. We had. We couldn't see the sky to tell the how I'm by the sun because there the trees were so thick. Then I heard footsteps, heavy footsteps. I looked under the shrub and I, no, it can't be there's no such thing as monsters. Everyone knows that there's no such thing as monsters. But there was a monster coming. It could be really, it couldn't be real, but it was. It was huge, huge. It looked like a giant ape walking towards us. I knew we had to have been near one of its food sources, and it had a furious look on his face. I had no idea what it would do to Judy and me when it saw us rut there bites food. I

28:03 just started praying softly, and the first word out of my mouth was the name of the god. I prayed to Jesus. As soon as I said Jesus, he froze in place. I saw him lift up two giant hands and feel of what was some kind of invisible barrier. And this was just as amazing ass seeing the monster and that Almost immediately a small group of half grown coyotes came out of the pasture and they were scuffling around and playing together, totally unaware of the monster. But the monster could see them, and he started chasing after them, and they ran, and he chased them out of the area.

28:49 I'm sure after his next men. Well, now I had to put Judy out there, but how I started running. I ran up the ramp and I said, come on, you, we gotta go. I'll explain to you. We get to the goat faster, well, you can go home if you want to. I want to stay. This place is too wonderful. So I tried another tactic. I go over to the exposed sassafras roots and I pointed out that some of them were up to four inches in diameter, that none of them had been cut. They'd all been twisted until they. Broke big for society will be right back. After these messages, Judy looked at them with new eyes, and she said, you're scaring me. I told her, I think we need to be scared, and we need to leave right away. Because she agreed, and we left. When we got to the safety of the goat pasture, I told her about that monster I had seen out in the woods. She's sitting just a few feet from me and looking into my eyes and she knows I'm telling her the truth. And I told her, I've got to

30:22 tell you your grandpa and your dad about this. That that monster must be what's taking the cattle. It's so tall it can just step over their fences, and that's why they're not finding footsteps. I think it's probably strong enough that they could just pick it one of the cows and carry it away. She nodded. So we go inside and no one's in the kitchen. We find our mother's on the porch, sitting on bedsisting. So we asked them where the men were. They didn't know. Meanwhile, I heard Judy's grandmother, Aunt Johnny, come into the kitchen, so we go in there and ask her where the men were.

31:03 She didn't know. Then Judy said, tell Aunt Johnny about the animal you saw in the kitchen in the woods, and Aunt Johnny gets this haunted look like she already knows what I'm going to say. Even so I told her about the pit we have found in that monstrous sized ape that had been walking towards us. She said, there's no such thing. But her eyes says she knew there was such a thing. And I challenged her. I said, I can see it in your eyes. I can see you know what that animal is. What is it called?

31:53 And she said, there's no such thing. There's no such thing. They do not exist. They don't exist, And I want you to I must not to tell anybody about it. I said, I'm not going to promise it, as the men of the family need to know about it. That that monster must be the one that's taking your husband's cattle. And you know, you know, uncle just needs those canabis how he makes us livelihood. That's the only way he pays the electric bill. And she kept arguing with me while I left in defiance. I was going to find those men. I started going through the windows, and looking back, I wish I had just stepped out of the house and started searching. But while I was looking through the windows trying to spot them in aunt Johnny was talking to Judy, and Judy Grandma comes rushing up to my arm, crying, crying and shaping. You've got to go back to the kitchen and promise Grandma that you're not going to tell anyone about that monster, or she's going to punish me worse than she's ever punished me before. And I told her, I said, your grandpa and your dad needs to know about that monster. What if it comes into the yard.

33:16 She they need to be prepared for it. She said, please please come into the kitchen, and that's when Judy's grandmother told me how she was going to punish Judy if I told anyone anytime we would come, she would have to go into the outhouse and wait there throughout our visit, and I would not be allowed to visit with her. I wouldn't get to stay another week like we were used to, and she would try to convince my parents not to bring me along for their visits. That was how she was going to punish Judy and me if I told anyone. And I continue to try the reason with that, Johnny, what if it comes into the yard, your family needs to be prepared for it.

34:09 They need to be ready, knowing what I mean, you don't know what you can do. You don't know what it might do. You need to keep your grandkids from going out, and what you need to act like it's I can tell you know what's real. I can tell you, dude. She would not relent. Meanwhile, Judy was just looking sick. She was crying so much. And I finally gave him sick at heart and I made that promise. But I kept trying the reason without Johnny kept trying to tell her, what if, what if it comes? What if it's in your home? When you come home. You've got to act like that monster was real. She would she would not, reason, she would not. Then she grabs a knife, Alvador, and she said, this is my bone cutting nut knife. There has been a bone that I haven't been able to cut.

35:15 Even the thickest calibone I can cut with this knife. It all to be good for cutting tree roots. And I told her, you're not going to that pit, are you? She said, I sure am. You told me that there are exposed sassafras roots. My family habits to love to drink sassafras fashtreate tea. Excuse me, I'm stuttering. I tried the reason with it could not change her mind, and she marched out and ordered us to stay in the kitchen, that we'd better be in those same chairs when she came back with some sassafrax roots. I don't know how long we waited. Judy and I scooted our chairs close to each other and put her arms around each other to comfort each other as we both cried situations. And Johnny did come back with a bucket full of sassafras roots, and she said there was no monster out there. I said, but you know, only a monster could twist those sassafrass roots.

36:18 And every single one of those sassafrass fast roots has been twisted. She grabbed each individual and chopped off the twisted area and cut into small pieces. First through it into a large bowl full of water, before she chopped up the wrist of the sassafras roots. After she watched them all, she made a large part of sassafras tea. And normally I would enjoy it, but I couldn't that day. It's just I was so worried for my family and I couldn't warn them. I could not warn them. Well, that was July, a month past. It's August, and even though it's a hot summer day, I knew it would be cool under the trees. Judy comes rushing up to me with another surprise, another hard ring to come, and they had carved out another new path which she had not gone down yet. She was saving that first experience for sharing it with me. So off we go down a new trail. This time would come to another mystery.

37:45 There's a cabin at the bottom of a gully. What a weird place to put a cabin. This did not make sense. The only thing that Judy and I could think. I was that a squatter had built that cabin and down in the gully so it wouldn't be seen. But we both agreed that all the water would flow down into that cabin anytime it rained. It would be nothing to stop it, especially since it was sand. I mean, it just would just wash right off into that in that gully. And just said, what, they don't really have a door, and I said, well, maybe they're not through building it. There was something else, something else about that cabin pottered me. Then it dawned on me none of the logs had been cut. They were up to six inches in diameter, and none of them had been cut.

38:50 I was about to turn to Judy and tell her we've got to leave, and oh, no, it's that monster. That monster must have built this log cab. And then before I turned to see Judy, I see this small grove of trees that have been woven together, even though they were still alive. I didn't want to know the explanation for that one. I knew no human could do that. It had to be something the monster built. I looked at Judy, and before I could say anything, her face grew pale with terror. And there was a smell. There was this mound of dirt, right tall mound of dirt right side the gully, and that smell was coming from behind it like some combination of skunk and went dog.

39:58 And oh, it was so strong. Made my head hurts and upset my stomach. And then Judy, did there come, well, last thing you do in the woods? She turned around and squeamed. It's the monkey man. It's a monkey man, the monkey man. What in the world is a monkey man? I thought, And she's still squealing. It's a monkey man. It's a monkey man. And she's running, running wildly, waving both arms. And I expected that monster to dash out from behind the dirt and grab her. But it didn't.

40:41 Why didn't it isn't that what monsters did? But it did. It did not run after her. She kept running wildly, screaming, and I was I was in shop myself. My legs felt like leand I just I could not run, and strangely, I felt I didn't feel afraid of that monster. For some reason, it just didn't feel scary where I was. I was walking down the path that Judy was running down, and then I saw these two tender eyes looking down at me.

41:29 I looked up at them. They were looking at me with that same protective look that I seen grown women look at me when I was a little girl. They wanted to take care of me. Then she stepped out of hiding and she was beautiful, much taller than my dad and wire covered with chocolate brown hair. The hide on hers in her hands were chocolate brown too, Like I said, her eyes were chocolate brown. Her lips were chocolate brown except for a beige outline that went around her lips. They were eight like lots, not even like lips.

42:17 She had two triangular breasts that were nearly flat. That's why I knew it was a female. I'm assuming that she hasn't nursed a child yet if she had young and surely did be nears. So you know, that's where my thoughts were. I'm having a wonderful time analyzing her, and I could tell she's analyzing me, and that she's still looking at me with a tender looking like she knew I was a harmless child. Then she lifts her arm, not like we humans would lift to point at something, but just lifted her arm in a loose way and kind of some casually pointed towards Judy, like she wanted me to help Judy in some way. I nodded my head and my legs. I realized I had energy in them. Again.

43:09 I didn't want to startle U, so I didn't start running immediately. I started off slow and just got a little faster, a little faster. By that time, Judy was at least five hundred feet ahead of me. I could not catch her, but I could call to her and try to get her to calm down. So that's what I was doing. There were prematures, and that was woods. They had to hurt her, and we just didn't know. Normally, a coldy wouldn't bother us or any of them there wool was a leopard, wouldn't bother any of us. But she sounded like a wooden animal, and that would kind would probably stimulate their hunger. But as we were running along, I kept smelling whists of her, just a little whiss, not strong enough to give me a headachere, ups at my stomach, just enough, like she was letting us know she was there. And I'm completely convinced it was her way to let predators know she was also there to protect us. I have no doubt that if one had come rushing up there, that she was snatched it up and stopped it because she cared about her safety. There was no doubt about it. I don't know how many times I smelled that, oh that I'll call it aroma,

44:40 that's his stink, but it said that she was protecting us. Judy didn't think that way. Every time she smelled that, she went into more of a pandit it's getting closed, it's getting closed. She'd squeal out. But I knew she was protecting us. That's why no preastors came after. Judy, for the society will be right back. After these messages. We finally made it to the goat pastor and Judy could barely lift her legs. She tried to say something to me and just a hiss came out of her throat.

45:31 I knew she didn't have enough energy to walk through climb to the barbar fence, and that was their rule. Someone in the past had opened the gate and left it open and let out all their lives. Stock and Uncle Jess and his family tried to get them back, but they couldn't. They could. Most of them were lost in the woods. Never to come back, and he had to get a job so he could start up his heart all over again. So they had that strong rule. It did not open that gate, but I left the gate, and when I did, the chain made a noise and sold the hinges of the gate, and Aunt Johnny came rushing out the rebukelus, but she saw Judy and I.

46:16 As soon as Judy got through, I closed the gate and I was about to go to the fence. When she ordered me to go to the fence. When it was obvious I was about to do it anyway, I forgave her. I knew Judy needed her help. She had her arm around Judy and she walked her to the house. As soon as I was through with the fence, I ran up to the house. When I walked into the living room, all the adults were there, both my parents, both of Judy's parents, both of her grandparents, and Uncle Chalk were all there, and they were all staring at me, and someone asked what happened to Judy? So I told her about what had happened in the woods. Then Uncle Jess asked me, have you seen, oh, all of them, all of them like an echo, said, it's the monkey Man.

47:15 The monkey Man is back, they were saying, back, I had been there before. It's the monkey man. The monkey Man is back. Then Uncle Jess asked me, have you seen one before. That's when I realized that Aunt Johnny was crying and shaking. I asked her if I could break my promise to her, and she nodded her head. Then I told her about told him about the pit and the male monkey man I'd seen before. Then I started shaking and Uncle Jess said why And I said, Uncle Jess, it's so big. If you shoot at one time, it won't kill it. And that Johnny nodded her head.

48:12 I said, he'll keep coming. They'll either hurt your real bad it mighty can kill you. I don't want that to happen to my family. He said, don't worry. He said, we'll get our neighbors. You'll see them. They'll all be lined up in our backyard come sunset, and we'll have a big hunting party that will go after those monsters. And he looked Johnny in both eyes as he touched both her knees and said, I promise we won't do it alone. Then Lewis asked my dad to stand up and asked me how tall was that mail monkey man compared to my dad. I said taller, and so he started raising his hand in increments until I said that's it, and they all agreed that was seven foot tall. Then Lewis asked me how tall the monkey man was compared to my dad, and I said, well, I was taller than my dad. So he stood next to my dad and we started using hand increments to decide how white he was, and we all agreed four foot wide. And we did the same thing for the female, and we agreed that she was seven foot tall by three foot wide.

49:33 And then Uncle just asked me a question I did not want to answer. Could have been one of the monkey men that you saw that knight in the cattle pasture. I hated to say it. I hated to say it. She had protected us. I said it was the female, and Uncle Jess said, I know she protected you. I know she did. I want to remind you that sometimes wild animals do that, but the same wild animal that protects you one time can turn against you another time.

50:20 And that wild animal is taking my cattle. That's my livelihood. And I said, I know, Uncle Jess, I know you have to kill her. I just I just have to be sad about it. Then Uncle Jess came up with a plan. The men of his family would start at one particular landmark, and Uncle Jess would go in one direction, and Uncle John would go in another, and Lose would go in another, and they would go tell their neighbors a short story. And he told all the men, both men to take their guns and extra bullets with them just in case the monkey men were at the house when they came back. They agreed and left. Then he told my dad to get the rifle and sit on the front steps with the bullets. Then he told his wife, who was an excellent hunter, to sit on the back stoop with her favorite shotgun with a box of shelves, which she did. She actually grabbed two. She told Lenny to stay in the yard and call the boys home, and thankfully they went far so they came home very quickly, and she told them just to keep them in the yard, and they played the ballgame in the yard while we

51:51 stayed in the house. Judy was still depleted. Her mother had put some kind of save on her chest in her back and had been rubbing it and giving her something hot to drink, but she needed to lie down for a nap, and Lenny led her to her bed and turned an electric fan on her, and I asked if I could talk to her, and Lennie explaining, well, she's about to fall asleep, and I said, well, I'd like to try to keep her from having nightmares. She agreed, so I went and I explained to her that the female Monkeyman wasn't trying to hurt her, she was protecting us.

52:37 And as I explained it all to her, she agreed, and she was grateful, and when she woke up, she thanked me because she did not have any nightmares, just as they had planned. About five o'clock that evening, a large group of men arrived. Some came on horseback, some drove pickups with trailers with horses in them. All brought long guns with them, some shotguns, some rifles. And when I looked out, I looked out the window just to see what the look on their faces rises. Uncle, you just told them about what they knew about the monkey Man.

53:24 They were all stuff in their pockets, all their pockets with either bullets or shotgun shells, their front shirt pockets, all for their pants pockets, including their back pockets with stuff with extra bullets and shotgun shells. And I my step mother rebuked me and said, get away from that window. You don't need to be curious. And I looked over that Johnny, and I said, I just wanted to make certain they weren't any scaredy cats among them. I said, you should see their faces, Aunt, Johnny, you know they're not afraid. So she rushed up to the window, and she recognized her faces. She was the local avon seller and she also sold up aware to all her neighbors, so she knew all their wives, and she had seen their husbands there as well, and she was calling them by a name and like like they were. They usually had at least three generations, sometimes four living in the same house, so you see three or four men from the family there at there there was close to twenty men and all all ganged up there. And we had to live because of the time of day. It was just getting too late that the road was unlit and

54:57 very narrow, and so it was as actually dangerous to drive through the air after dark, and so we got into the road before it got dark, or we had to get in the car before it got dark and go down the road and we get home. We're all still thinking about it, feeling word for our family, having nowhere to communicate with them. They didn't have telephones. If you sent them a letter, it would take over a week to get to them, and then our reply would take more than a week to get back to us. So actually the fastest way to visit with them was to talk to them with the visit with them. And oh, by the way, before we left, my dad told Aunt Johnny that even though we usually came on Sundays, the second Sunday of the month, he'd liked to come back the next Saturday in case they were still hunting the monkey man. And she said, please, thank you. Dad already had all this guns sitting on the table, the kitchen table, and he was cleaning one of them, cleaning all in one of them. And I went to bed, and I I just couldn't sleep. I kept thinking about that female monkey man. I had to talk about her. She had

56:27 saved her life. I know she had kept us safe. I know she had. So I just go in there and telling me even more about what I experienced with her, which my dad appreciated, and I asked. I said, can they just scare them away? And he said, when the animal is that large, you can't scare it away. There's nothing you can do. They was scare it away. They just have to kill them, honey. He said, I know you don't feel good about it, especially about that female that helped you, But she's eating her cattle too, so that's why they're justified in killing her. And I agree.

57:16 I didn't feel good about agreeing, but I understood. The next Saturday, we go there and by that time, Dad he's cleaned and recleaned and recleaned each one of his guns in ordum, and got a stock of shells for all of them, and he's just had them all packed in the back drunk. And my stepmother got worded and said, if we have to stop for a flat tire and you open that gate, people would call the police on us. So she got one of her quilts to cover them so in case he had to open his truck, and we about an hour later, we're on the land again.

57:58 As soon as the dogs barked our arrival, all the family came rushing out with big smiles on their faces. They were safe, they were safe. What a wonderful relief. It was that they were all safe. We go inside and Uncle Jess explains to all of us that they did not spot either animal the first night, but the next night they went on the hunting trip again, and that time night they killed the female, and that they had learned already that when one of the monkey men die, you leave the body alone. And he told him about a former neighbor that happened when he was a little boy, so he would have been about He said he was about twelve at the time, which would have been about nineteen hundred or so, and one of their neighbors had killed, also killed a female monkey man out in woods, and he got his wagon as close as he could and dragged the body and put it on the wagon, showed it to his family, and drove his wagon to horse drawn wagon to some of his neighbors and showed them the female monkey man and left it in the wagon

59:31 with the intention of showing to ever more neighbors the next day. That night, they were awakened by a monster trying to get into their house. The male was there literally trying to tear apart their house. They all grabbed their boots and they were all excellent shots, and they kept shooting the animal and shooting the animal and shooting the animal, and he kept coming. Finally, he was so wounded he gave up and he left, leading the blood trail out of the yard. They spent a sleepless night waiting for sun set. When they went outside, they found out that all of their livestock had either been nimed or killed. That was, their horses, their cattle, their goats, and their pigs, and their chickens had been stumped into the ground, all because he had handled that dead monkey.

1:00:45 Mat big for society, who will be right back after these messages? And they told him about that story, and that's what Aunt Johnny was thinking about. I spoke about it, so that's what Johnny was thinking about. When she made me promise not to tell you about it. He nodded his head, and anyway, he went ahead and said that after they killed a female and left her body there, they did destroy the nest. They had all brought chainsaws to do so, and while some men kept watch with their guns ready, they cut up the log cabin and the trees that were woven together. The next time we came, they had placed gun racks that they had made in every single room in case he did return, and every room on the well high enough that the children couldn't work, and a place for the bullets as well, high up on the wall every room. And Aunt Johnny walked with her shotgun everywhere she went, and she was making beds in

1:02:16 the house. She'd have that shotgun with her at all times, hanging clothes on the line, she had a shotgun with her. Going to the outhouse, she carried a shotgun with her. As long as they lived there. She carried that shotgun everywhere with her. And so she told me that her neighbors were living the same way. All the women were keeping shotguns with them at all times, and anytime the men went into the pastor of the woods, they carried a gun with them, and so that that area stayed on high alert for several years. We weren't allowed to go into the woods in September or October because of that threat. But come November when we arrived, Uncle Jes said he felt thought it was safe for the kids.

1:03:20 He was letting his kids go into the Woodston and Judy's parents took her and her siblings to someplace, and so I didn't have anybody spend time with personally for me. I brought a book, and I decided to go look at the area where we had seen both animals. The pit, the square pit had been completely filled, the cut logs, the uh and the gully, or what I thought was a gully. It turns out it had been dug by the monkey men. And that's why that now the dirt was where it was. My family members had used shovels.

1:04:11 They didn't have anything else but shovels to use it. They hadn't shoveled that clay back into the hole. They were that determined to eradicate any sign those animals had been there. I went to the meadow to the same log I had set on before with Judy and felt safe. All around me the woodlands and grasses and shrubs were taking on their fall colors, and it was peaceful, So peaceful. I walked a little feather abound a place to read a book, and I just sat there and read a book and enjoyed the peaceful area. The threat was gone.

1:04:58 It would never come back. I would continue to go there into the mid seventies, and the monkey man never came back. This is where my story ends, and. That is an incredible account. Thank you, Jeremiah. Do you have any questions? Yeah, I definitely do. I'm still trying to It's a lot. That's a lot to take in from that story. Is how did that affect you for the rest of your life as you grew up?

1:05:41 Well, I knew they were real, living in the world that didn't believe they existed except for my family, you know, and people in that area. And when there was that famous film of the female Bigfoot right walking, yeah, I knew that was real. It looks amazingly like the one I had seen out in the woods, even walk like she did and he did. I mean, they walk very much like humans do. And I do have this insight.

1:06:22 I know some people believe in portals, and I happen to be one of those that also does. But there's also an explanation in the natural. While your form questions, I'll go ahead and share something else. After I was grown and married, my husband lived in another rural part of Texas and there was a local county that loved to frustrate my neighbors. To Irish settlers, he would walk about ninety feet onto the ground hikers leg and leave us scent. Walk a little feather, hikers leg and leave a scent, and keep doing this for close to ninety feet till he wondered how it was his ladder. Then he would jump up on a rock and leap about at least eight feet in another direction and run off in another direction. Those two dogs would define his scent and follow it up to the rock and think he had disappeared. Well, I saw two of those animals. They have powerful thigh muscles. I'm sure they could jump quite a distance, So I think one of the way, since they do not want to be found, and they keep proving that we human beings that they don't want to be found, I think a very comptactic of them is for them, as they're walking along that they just jump out of the area and start walking a different direction.

1:07:57 That's one of my explanations for a colon from I can tell you the male reminded me of a chimpanzee face uh in fact that it was color by colored his face. The tide on his face was tan and his fur was black like a chimpanzee is. But of course he was bigger, much bigger. He looked more like more gorillake than a chimpanzee. But that was what I thought of at first, was how chimpanzee he looked, because he would buy a color. The palms of his hands were that beige color, and part of his chest was also beige. I could see it through his dark fur.

1:08:41 And uh, the female, her features were softer. I mean she still looked like a monster. Okay, Uh if she growled that you you would think she was a monster. If if she growled, if she stood between her and a young and you know she was a monster. But seeing her in that line of day, with that protective look on her face and tender eyes, I thought she was beautiful. She was again also very ape Blaine, very ape blink, but her head was smaller, more rounded. He has had that sort of rectangular top like gorilla, but hers was more rounded. And I had a feeling she could just look at him with those soft brown eyes and get anything she wanted. That's my guess.

1:09:44 Do you remember any really striking differences or similarities between the female monkey man and when you saw the video of Patty or the Patterson gime on film. Well, yeah, they looked different. Now. I was seeing that when I saw it. It was in black a black and white TV H and so of course it was all shades of gray and black. She was walking with her knees bent more this the male walked more human like. His help joints and kneed joints and ankle joints were very similar to humans and the way we walk. I can never I could not imagine now he might squat down if he was trying to avoid high branches. It probably did that. Maybe what she was doing when he started taking that picture. She may have come from underneath the trees, and that may have been why she was bending her knees. She'd been bending them to avoid tree branches.

1:10:57 That would explain that. But I didn't see her stand completely upright, But I did him, and I did the female it the month the month later. I could never imagine any three of them getting on all fours unless it was to get something off the ground, but not to crawl across the ground. They just weren't built for that. It would have been awkward if they tried it, and their fur fell back into place very neatly, like a fox. If you ever see a fox in the wild, no matter what they run through, they always looked neat well, that was the same with their fur or hair, whatever you call it. It felt more like hair was they were moving about. So I don't know how it's different from other animals, but they looked neatly kept.

1:12:02 There's some phrasing that I want to clarify during your story, just to make sure I'm understanding it. So, during during the hunt, are you saying that the men that were out there urinated around the monkey man's area? No, I didn't use that word. You used it. Well, I know. What we were talking about. Yeah, I want to make sure that they did that to leave their sinse. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they definitely did it to leave their sin because they did not want those animals to return. Yeah, no, that that makes total sense. I just wanted to clarify it.

1:12:44 So, yeah, that that's why they did that, just to scare them away. Sure, it's like an established dominance type thing. I told you. Yeah, and I didn't share this before, but Uncle Jens during the visit after they killed them, well, one of them explained that several neighbors had already been missing their pants or livestock. I'm sorry. Some it was cattle, some it was goats. And so, and I think one pig had been missing as well, and they so that they were trying to make certain they never came back, and no one ever reported them coming back. No one did, so it had worked.

1:13:30 Which yes, it's incredible, just to remind so this has happened in the sixties, so we are talking about sixty years. The current current time is twenty twenty five. So this whole area has grown up. You said, this whole county area is totally different. Totally different. You will not find the deep woods in these chick and Van'sant County again, they just don't exist. Society has completely taken over. We are already in the nineteen seventies, all signs of houses being built in that area.

1:14:10 Does this same family own the property still or they long gone off of that property? You know, I don't know. Most of them have been dead for several years, gotcha. And as far as I know, they sow the land because none of my cousins continue to live there. So as far as I know, the land was so I never discussed it with them any visits afterwards, so I don't know what happened to it. So just I guess, just maybe ask that a different way too, But I think you just answered it. But did you ever when you were older, you know, did you ever have a conversation about this with any of the individuals involved when you were in a later time in life?

1:15:11 My parents, I talked with them, with my parents, especially my dad. That's why I stayed in my memory as well as it did, because he enjoyed hearing a long story that was especially a true. One big for society will be right back after these messages.

1:15:52 And so he let me tell this same account I shared with you several times. And often we would just be alone. We were the only two people in two households of families, me with my husband and children, he with his wife children that that got up before daylight, and we would visit, uh or as soon as the light was bright enough that I could make certain I didn't step on any snakes. That was just concern about me coming earlier. I'd go to his house and we would talk about animals a lot. And so yeah, that's why I stayed. I mean, when you don't have anybody else our society, I never heard anybody else talk about that kind of animal, uh. And when when that movie was or that film was on TV. People made fun of it in public. You know, I'd hear them, you know, oh, you could tell it was a cop, somebody in a costume or that sort of talk. So I knew if I brought it up, I'd be made fun enough too.

1:17:07 I mean, what good would it do to bring it up. It wasn't until modern times that I found a community of believers, and now almost anybody believes in monkey or Bigfoot. I'm sorry. I was at here in a small town I live in called Wolfe City. We have a a writers meeting, and I'm not a published writer, but to the people there that come, there are and I just come to hear them talk. Basically, well, what did we talk about this last Saturday? Bigfoot? That subject. I wasn't the one they even brought it up. One of our other members brought it up. And then when realized that one of our other members was wearing a shirt with big Foot on it, And so when my friend asked me to tell my Bigfoot story, and so I told him.

1:18:04 When I told all of you my big Foot story, now it's a different world. You know, if people don't believe it, they just don't bring it up anymore. Exactly. There's a part of your account that I found really interesting is the bigfoot was not able to move or the monkey man sorry, was not able to move after you said the name of Jesus, which is incredibly interesting. First off, why do you think that that affected that creature in that way? Well, I think he probably forgot all about it. He was just momentarily, he just had that look in his face like it's just not important to stay here. He wanted to chase after his next meal, and those half grown cowties provided it for him, So I doubt that he even consider it. Again, he may have. I'm convinced that that was God's intervention. I know some of your listeners may not believe that sort of thing, but I'm alive and well. Something kept me safe from that angry animal.

1:19:16 And an angry animal, even if it's not trying to hurt somebody, it can accidentally hurt somebody. As small as we were, it could have easily have hurt us, even if it wasn't trying to. It could have just been raving and moving his arms around wildly and knocking one of us who knows how many feet. But it didn't happen because I said that name Jesus. That was the first time I've ever done that. I never forgot that listen, and I've used it in other situations that I wanted his protection. Absolutely. How long did it take until the bigfoot or monkey man could start moving again after you used the name of.

1:20:02 Jesus almost instantly? He wasn't paralyzed, He just couldn't come forward. Oh, he was kind of like stud I saw. Him bump into something invisible. He just bumped. I saw his face mash against it. And so he bumped against it like that and pulled back and touched it with both his hands. And then those coudies came out of the tall grass on the meadow and provided his next meal. And so my guess is that he never thought about it again. No, he may have and just came through there carefully and discovered it wasn't there and okay, it's gone, and just kept walking along. Yeah, that's my guess.

1:20:54 Almost like he had run into a shield or something, some invisible wall. That's that's so interesting. Mm hmm. Yeah. A few more, few more questions here, if that's all right? Do you know if do you know if any of the men involved ever shared their story publicly. From their viewpoint, I. Never heard about it. It could have happened, especially if they were drinking something alcoholic that often loosens men's times, but I never heard about it. I didn't never visit with any of their neighbors. I never got to know them.

1:21:39 Our only purpose for going down there was the visit with our relatives. So I don't know. Now the next question, you can definitely decline. I'm going to ask it just because I try to take this seriously. I do take it seriously absolute percent. But I know this might be a little over the line. But are you did this happen near a certain town? It would be really interesting to know if encounters have happened in this same area since that point. If you don't feel comfortable answering that, that's no problem.

1:22:23 Well, if people search for the area, they would not find it. Remember, this is a large animal. God has to eat large animals to fill its stomach, something like deer, and so it's not going to be where you can easily find it. And they've proven that they want to be elusive, they don't want to be found, and so they they My guess is just from the observation that they're going to be where people usually don't go. Now, one of my friends that was at the writers meeting last Saturday said that he came across someone that had gotten his permission to camp on his ground. He owns several acres in a rural area. I forget how many acres he has, but it's a large area. And according to that man, he saw a large harry figure and that's what brought up the subject. And he said it was about eight foot tall, and that would have been about thirty minutes from where I live. But you would you wouldn't find it in town. You're not gonna find it at the local dollar store. You're gonna find it where it's hard for people to go to because they

1:23:54 didn't want to be found. Absolutely, just like with you. Yeah, just like with that man that they that animal came up, came upon the fireplace or fire he was building, had a nice ruttle fire going. That was probably what attracted the animal. He may have been just curious because he didn't do anything more than look at the fire and leave. According to and I didn't bring this up during my conversation with Uncle Jess. He brought up the fact that his own dad had been one of the first white men to settle in that particular area, and this was the late eighteen hundreds, shortly after the Civil War, and he was warned. He was already feeling, already knew the Cherokee language some of it when he came there from other encounters with Cherokee, and there were Cherokees Indians that settled in that area, and they warned him, the first ones to warn him, never touch a fallen month a bigfoot, even if you're the one that killed it.

1:25:15 Don't skin it, by all means, don't skin it. If you touch that animal, they will be able to smell your sin on it, and they will hunt you and attack your village. That was the warning they had dealt with them all those years, and they said, never never touch a dead body. And I think we need to take that seriously. If you happen to see find a dead monkey man, excuse me, bigfoot in the woods, don't try to carry it off. Don't try to do that on your own. Please take that warning seriously. They're wild animals, and wild animals have their rules, whether they agree with your rules or not, they have their own rules, and those while the animals say, do not touch are dead.

1:26:09 Only they touched the dead, that's their belief. They touched the dead, they find a place to bury their bodies where you can't find them. And other than that, I said, if you go hunting for bigfoot, carry a large bag of apples with you. So I've heard from one source they love that treat. You might be able to luner them with apples. I don't know. For As for me, I'm not going to give it a try. No way. I have seen them angry. I know they can how angry they can be, and I don't want to take that risk myself. But for those that want to hunt for them, use wisdom by all means. Carry a GPS tracker and tell your family where you're going. If you don't have family, tell people that know you and care about you where you're going, and keep that GPS tracker on you because you're going to be traveling in some very wild country and if you start chasing an animal like that, you won't be noticing landmarks and you could easily get lost. But I also know they have their gentle side, and I've heard more than one story of the moss human humans, and i believe it because I had that experience myself. I know that she protected us.

1:27:40 Oh something else that the Indians tow my great grandfather that these animals were transitory, That is, they traveled a lot. And we know through studies when they put regar or radio collars on cougars. They have territories that are about two hundred miles wide, and an animal that large would probably have an even larger territory. That would explain why my neighbor had one, or my friend had one that was sided on his land. He might not ever be seen again. He may have just been passing through. He may have not had a nest there at all. I may have just been passing through to another location looking for big game to feed them.

1:28:37 It's such a fascinating this is man. I will be thinking about this four years. But first off, thank you for sharing what you experienced. I do want to also mentioned before we go, it's very interesting that you're now in the Wolf City area and it sounds like you're starting to pick this up. But that area has quite the history of bigfoot sightings but also dog man encounters as well, So I would say keep your eyes open, and I mean if you start. It sounds like you're already talking to people about it. But yet, if you start talking to people in that area of Wolf City, you're going to hear some stories from over the years.

1:29:21 I've picked some up just through email, and it's some really wild stuff in that area. So just definitely keep an eye out. Oh my goodness, do you I haven't searched your videos? Do you have any videos about Wolf City? I don't not in the I mean maybe after this I will though. If people are listening and they have accounts from Wolf City they would like to share, you could definitely reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. But you know, so far, I don't yet, but that could change, so. It could. Yeah, it's it's classified by the State of Texas as a rural community, even though we do have paved roads and we do have a few little stores here. Yeah, but I stay in among people. I'm not gonna go hunting for that animal.

1:30:20 Absolutely. Last question that I'd like to ask you, do you keep in touch with Judy at all? Or has it been a while since you guys have last talked. Judy doesn't want to talk about it, Okay, Yes, she's still alive, but she does not want to talk about it, so I leave it alone. Yeah. Uh, so I don't know what emo. I mean, we had a lot of emotion. Yeah, uh those that summer. I mean it was she had she had a terrifying experience because she didn't know that that animal is trying to detector.

1:31:02 Uh. She thought she was being pursued by that animal. And until I talked to her about it. So okay, I just don't talk to her about it. If she ever brings to the subject, I will, but she just gets a threatened look in her eyes, and I don't push the push the topic. And I understand, you know this, this was such a high emotional time. That's that summer. Wow, it was. It must have been like that for them. I was we were only going there once a month. They were having the lither every day, listening to that wooden knocking at night, animals disappearing, and hearing them talk about it all the time, and she was having to keep a secret. I know they had an effect on her, but I don't know what. I know. It wasn't a good thing.

1:32:06 You're handling it the right way where if she does ever want to talk, you're available, but you also are respecting that how she feels about that right now as well. Anna, it has been such such a privilege to talk to you. I mean, this is one of the most intense encounters I've heard since I started this in twenty nineteen. But just thank you so much for coming on the show. If you ever need to reach out or you know, feel free to do so if there's anything I can ever help with. But just thank you for coming on in chatting today. Anna appreciate it.

1:32:50 Okay, Well, I'll tell you what. If I do talk to someone in Wolfe City that has one of those encounters they want to share, I'll give them your contact information. Yeah, I appreciate it that, ma'am. Thank you, You're welcome. Just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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