They Told Him Not to Talk… Then the Bigfoot Showed Up | Ohio

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Welcome back to another episode of Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to John today. John's an individual with a very interesting story, the likes of which I don't believe has come up on the show before, so I'm looking forward to hearing it along with you the listener. A few things about John.

0:55 John is a Vietnam veteran, so thank you for your service in that regard, guards sir. Also, you've been a high school educator over the years in many different subject physics, mathematics, biology, Earth and space science, computer science, and I believe you said you were a middle school teacher as well. Is that correct, John? Yes? Awesome? Correct, very good, very good. And then would there be anything else that you would want to have the listeners be aware of for context before we get going with your experiences. I taught adults computer intro science in the high school when the computers first started coming out, to try to get them, you know, to learn word processing and how to use the system, that kind of a thing. I attended Kent State when the Internet was first getting started, So I've worked with computers when we had punch cards.

2:00 Okay, got it. And and there's going to be a lot of listeners that that's going to be all new to. What year was that then that you were involved When the internet first came. Around nineteen eighty two, it was just starting he had. I think it was Berkeley. I think it was, if my memory serves me right, it was just starting to be set up. But we at the Kent State they concentrate on teaching us computer science programs such as logo and others other language. I used to be a developer, I know what you're talking about. I used to be a developer before I got into podcasting. And it sounds like It was a wild time back then when you had punch cards and all the old languages and cobal and all that crazy stuff.

2:55 There were no monitors back then. Right exactly. You just fed the card in all that good stuff. So you were we were talking a little bit before the show started, and you had mentioned that I think this might be an interesting anecdote that there the Navy tried to get you to do some some interesting things, or they wanted. My first day, we took all the Army regular tests. Then he had me take another test and I scored the highest there. You know, there were eighty guys in the room, and I thought, oh my, I messed up. What did I do wrong? And then they told me I scored the highest, and they wanted me to go into nuclear because I was inclined to that, but I settled for raiderman. I went into elect electronics and radar instead, four years instead.

3:50 Of six years, okay, gotcha. And I graduated top three of my class, so I was able to pick my duty station, and I volunteered for at all. I wanted to be where where however it was going on. I wanted to be a part of it. Wow, at that time, it was kind of patriotic at that. Time, right, It was completely different. It was a different mindset. Yeah, yeah, a different mindset. You also mentioned that you've been to many different, different interesting locations around I believe the US and maybe even the world, different radio installations, things like that.

4:35 Yeah, green Bank. I've been to Apache Point in New Mexico, National Astronomy Observatory, Tucson, kit Peek, Mount Palmore, Berkeley. You know, I'm just writing off names here, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Let's see Langley number of times, the Langley, John Hopkins, George Washington Universe biotechnology with cloning at Clarion University. Uh. Uh. Just I worked in Howton, Michigan. They were working on uh the Michigan Tech was working on katelele converters at the time.

5:23 They were studying those, and we did a lot of two years. I worked in a copper mine up there, and I worked with explosives. We actually did mining drilling, and worked with the Tonka toys, you know, the big trucks and that. I got to drive them and that and the equipment, and it just got a really good geological background there of that area. Did you say you were involved with a cloning program as well. Learning Learning Learning First Learning. When cloning came out, I was involved with that. I I I went to Clarion and then they followed up later I went to I was down at George Washington University. We got to see Gillette was doing something new at that time. They were taking cadaver eyes and cloning them rather than injecting stuff into the rabbit's size. They were trying to do away with animal testing, and they were trying to substitute these cloned cadaver contacts. And there's various other things too, like the study of the monkey brains, and that was there when I was at George Washington. Also, I was the Health Physics Teacher of the Year in two thousand and four and that award was given in Washington, d C.

6:56 Also not far from George Washington University. And the the background basically was raid on getting the information out, and I had my students using kits to that were homemade developed We developed them in our own at the school. Then the students would take them home and then if we found one that was high elevated, we would follow it up with the store bought raid On kit and see if it held up and it always did, so our testing was really good. We did a very good job. Wow, and we were able to warn a number of parents because in western Pennsylvania we do have a problem with raid on and people don't realize it can cause lung cancer.

7:48 But that's so cool. So you were actually potentially saving people in the community that you were also a teacher. Making them aware, making them aware, you. Know, yeah, absolutely. I worked with the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon workshops on various science things, mathematics, Indiana University. I've spoken a national Science Teachers conferences, state conferences. I've written many many grants over the years, so you know, I have a very oh I help develop at San Antonio, Texas.

8:30 One year we did National Standards for Science and Mathematics. I was involved with that. So I've seen a gamut of everything that a science educator could come across. That's really cool and I wanted to take a few minutes to kind of lay the foundation work for what you've been involved in through your life, and it is really just a lot of really cool steff I wound up. So before we dive into it, would you be able to share you know I'm guessing. Well, so the location, the year, possible time of year, so that listeners really get where we're talking about. If you're able to share that information.

9:20 All right, Well we'll have to go back to nineteen sixty three. I was fifteen years old. Now, there may have been something that happened before, and if anybody does any research in this background, you know that that's very possible because it seems to run in the family, and my son's affected. They it is not always conscious. In other words, you're not fully conscious all the time, and that's something that the viewer must understand first. But in nineteen sixty three, I was fifteen. I was in a bunk bit with my who was above me, and I had my two other brothers were in their punk beds, and there was six in our family and the two girls from in the room next door. And I saw these Something woke me up and I saw these. I heard a noise and I saw all these lights flashing in the room, and I thought, oh, it's a ambulance, a police car, firetruck. What's going on, you know, something like something across the street, something like that. So I go to look. I go to the window, and when I pull the curtain back, as these lights are flashing, I'm staring into the face of a gray alien. And then I lose consciousness. And then the next thing I remember consciously is coming down the hallway to my bedroom,

10:52 and I'm saying to myself, why am I coming down this hallway? Why am I going to my bedroom? In other words, there was a huge gap in time, and I went in and I lay down, and I know sooner lay down. I got up and I went over to my mother, and my dad had he worked shifts, so I didn't want to wake him. So I woke my mom and we discussed it, and she said, oh, you had a bad dream. I said, oh no, this was not a dream. And I told her, I said, we have to contact President Kennedy. We have to let him know what's going on. This is unbelievable. And I started to tell her some of the things that I saw and remembered from as I remember things as it was happening. Now this I'm fifteen in nineteen sixty three, I think Betty and Barney Hill was sixty one, and nobody there was nobody to talk to. There was nobody to share this information with. You know, the closest. WIT's why I went to my mom. So anyhow, we discussed it, and then I went back and lay down in the bedroom and took a while for me to go to sleep, and I had school the next day. Well, now we'll jump I'm thirty.

12:06 Four, sorry real quick? What area of the US? Did that happen in? Okay? That happened in Cranberry Township. Today it's called Cranberry Township. We used to just call Cranberry until some other place took that name. Anyhow, the Cranberry town Jay Fernway was to eighty one Robin Hood. Drive, and that's in Pennsylvania. Yeah, and that was in the fall of sixty three. It wasn't early, it was earlier. It was still warm light, you know. And I didn't like to date down because, like I said, I was fifteen, you know, and I was astounded, just simply astounded what happened. And who could I talk to? Who could you share that information with?

12:49 You know? So I jump ahead to I left that, you know. Let it go to nineteen eighty two. This is May fifth. I'm in an eighteen thirty five built farmhouse in Hammondsville, Ohio. The Hammonds, whom the town is named after, had this house, this farmhouse. They had like I don't know, three three hundred acres and when they originally were there, and it had run down. Now since you know those earlier days, the farm they had let it go. The owners were elderly, and they rented out half the house, and my wife and I rented it as I started teaching down there in seventy six, and I coached football and basketball, and you know, I taught science and computer science and all that. And eddiehow I get back to the story. Eighty two, I heard this noise and I woke up. It was like two o'clock in the morning, and I could hear these dogs barking down the valley. And as they got closer to me, the dogs with the dogs that lived closer to me, they started barking and barking, and in other words, I

14:19 could sense that something was moving toward the farmhouse, and I could hear them yelp. They would yelp, and I would think, Oh, they're chasing the deer, and the deer is kicking them and that's causing them to yep. Well, it kept doing that, and finally I had this I heard this noise and it was a droning sound, and I'll try to reproduce it here in a moment. But I sensed this huge, humongous object over the farmhouse. I thought at first it was an airplane, coal truck coming down the hill, you know, helico, you know, I went through all the gamut. Next thing I know, I sensed this huge object above me. I don't know how to explain it other than that. And the droning was like it was so deep and penetrating, it vibrated you your body and in fact, when the blue green light came on in the room, it started scanning back and forth through the room, and the springs and the mattress started vibrating from the intensity. And it was like somebody had taken a knife and stuck it in your ear. That's how it hurt. And then I knew why the dogs were barking, because miners hurt. And then all of a

15:50 sudden they were curious because I had a train lay at an h O trainly out eight by four and they kept scanning it. It bothered them. They didn't they couldn't figure you know, in my mind, they couldn't figure out what it was. And I know there's no such thing as humor doing this thing, but it was like hilarious that they kept going back over that and then they let it go and the ray went off, but it was still there above us. And then I sensed I always left the door open to the we were on the top floor. I left the door open because it was a coal fire house, and if I smelled smoke, I wanted to be able to get us out of there.

16:32 And my son was in his crib on the left side near my wife at the time, and she's out and I'm on my side now. I was on my back. I'm on my side now looking toward the door because I have a sense that something, a presence is coming to that door. And when a hand come around the door, I said, you know, who is I didn't go who is that? What are you doing here? What's going on? You know, or anything like a normal reaction would be. I said, here they come again. Not you know, this wasn't the first time. Here they come again. And that's part of the problem is there are many things that happen, but this is the conscious parts of the hards, you know, the ones that you hold on to they So when that happened, next thing you know, I'm out. Then I get little snapshots along the way I'm going through the roof.

17:36 I'm and not many people have ever explained the same thing to me, But I was put on like this cot that's the only for one of a better word that it was a transfer transfer device. And I'm laid on it and we literally go up through the roof and I can see the sky, I can see the stars, and I'm taking up to this vehicle. And then when we get up to the vehicle, they had to maneuver me to get me into the vehicle. And and again a little bit of humor. It was like these people come all the way across the universe, et cetera here and they have trouble getting me into the vehicle. It was.

18:20 It was bizarre. And then they do get me in, and then I black out again and I'm waking and I go through tests. We'll just stop it there, okay, tests, And the next thing you know, I'm being taken back out the same manipulation in reverse and down I come. I'm looking toward the ground from about a thousand feet up somewhere around there. You know, five hundred thousand feet up and I'm taken down and I'm stood in front of this one, which will look like a mantis being, and I'm in front of him, and he is penetrating my eyes. He's looking right into my eyes, and he's downloading, he's giving me information. And all I can do is say, oh, oh, oh.

19:13 He took me to the core of who my consciousness was, took me down to the very beating my very being, and he was implanting stuff in there. That's all I can tell you. And the next thing you know, they're taking me back and I'm laying on the bed. I wake up again conscious for a brief moment again, I'm waking up on a bed. My wife's still out, and then they take my son, my three year old son, out the door, and I assumed they took him up, but as they were taking him, I was crying. Now that's where my car well. Then after that happened, our next scene is I see the vehicle moving away. It's moving away from me, heading toward the west, because there were windows that I look straight out from the farmhouse that way. And as it was moving away, I turned to my wife and where she says to me. She says, what was that? She finally wakes up and she says, what was that? I said, I don't know, That's what I said to her. You know, it was like unbelievable.

20:33 I laid there for a few moments. It's like you couldn't move and I can't explain that either. And the next thing, you know, I'm angry. I feel like I've been violated, which I was, and I'm taking I go downstairs and I'm looking for any evidence I can find, because I thought for sure that all that vibration would have shattered the glass, chandelier or a glass or something would have been broken. No, nothing, no proof. And I'm physically exhausted, physically drained, and you know, emotionally, and it's almost like p PTSD, you know. I just so I had school the next day, and I sought out the children and I asked them if they heard anything, saw anything, and some of the students did. They did see lights, and they did hear noises, and they did sing, and one girl up the street said they definitely saw something in the sky. And then there were reports and the local papers, even here in Pittsburgh, of UFO settings on that day and I had to get it out to somebody.

21:51 So I told the biology teacher. I won't mention his name here, but I told the biology teacher, and he just looked at me, of course, and I said, I know you don't I know you want to understand this. I know you won't believe this, but I have to tell somebody, like to confirm that this happened, you know, so that years later somebody could say, yeah, you did tell me, you know, he did say that. And so I did that. And then the next time was it's been many years where consciously I remember was in twenty twenty and I had another episode and we'll just say say that, but the the Bigfoot happened after the second one down there in Hammondsville, and that that I can talk about now.

22:43 And before we do that, I want I had a just an observation about the Hammondsville incident. Sure the way, So I've never interviewed a abductee before, yep, I don't believe so talk to a lot of people. I don't think I've talked to an abductee. But you so, I'm not really you know, familiar with how things usually go. But it's interesting you mentioned a few things, where one was that you passed out, you went right to sleep, It sounds like and that that kind of comes up a lot in in bigfoot encounters too. They have something, the witness has something happened, and all of a sudden they just go right to sleep. Also, the other thing that sometimes comes up is, uh, you talked about how you were given information or or implanted information or like downloaded into your conscious And that does come up sometimes with certain big foot encounters as well. Sometimes it's after the encounter and they start having dreams at home and they start having this information downloaded to them from somewhere.

24:04 I had a right I had a lot of dreams after the encounters and ed orc more multiple contacts after that. The one thing I didn't tell you is I went to it. I went to Stan Gordon and I talked to him. They had a conference over in Nuroville at the time, and I was leary about coming out and talking about I did not want to do it. I had my whole career ahead of me. I didn't want to, you know, mess that up. So I no one will believe you anyhow at that point in time. And this is that's nineteen eighty two, even and I wrote to Bud Hopkins, all the Fame mac all the famous people, and they advised me to use somebody locally, and even Stan sent me to a hypnotist locally and I went to him and he me under hypnosis. I didn't think I could be hypnotized, and he put me under hypnosis.

25:06 And during a lot of this came out under hypnosis. And when it came to the scene where they were taking my son, tears literally were rolling down my face because I couldn't do anything. And in under hypnosis, I'm crying and in front of another man, so you understand, you know this this was not you know. And then he asked me and when it was over, after he went through the hypnotism, I went through the session there he asked me to come back for the when I was a child, and I was a little leery of doing that at that time because I thought, boy, I don't know if I wanted to. I don't know if I want to open up the whole can of worms.

25:47 You know, I don't know whether I'd be able to handle everything that happened. Maybe, So I was leary. And I do have to say this after the second one, they tell you don't talk about it. The aliens would tell you the aliens don't want you talking about it. Really they well, they do it, I think to protect me, in other words, to protect the abductee. They don't want to put to jeopardize your existence. But I think they they really stressed, don't do it. But me, being a little defiant, I told myself, I'm going to tell people, you know I'm gonna do. I'm going to get this up.

26:29 But I never did. I wrote it all down. I wrote everything down that happened. And then finally, as I got older, I finally it's time. And so I started to talk about it at various organizations, and like with I gave Nick popa copy of various but Hopkins and all, you know, everybody that I could contact. Preston Dennett, and I gave Nick Hunter at the UFO Chronicles the information. We did a podcast together, and I've done a few others to get this information out.

27:13 That's fascinating. It is really cool that you were able to talk to Stan about it. Because if you look at a map, I mean, you're just over the the that border area from southwest Pennsylvania. I mean, you've got the little West Virginia part between you guys, but I mean it's all right there. So fascinating stuff. Yeah, so that I had it in Pennsylvania, then Ohio, and then back again in Pennsylvania again consciously now you know. So so let's let's talk next about how that led then into a bigfoot experience that you had.

27:55 Okay, it was it was in the fall, and now this that happened in May, and by fall we're getting I think closer to like Thanksgiving celebration. We were going to go up for my parents back up in Pennsylvania, and we were still living at the farmhouse in Ohio at Hammondsville, and I had pulled the car out and got it ready while she got my three year old son ready to go to go on the trip. And I do have to set the conditions a little bit.

28:40 I had had feelings. I don't know how to explain it, but I had premonitions and like I would have a premonition that something was going to happen, and sometimes bad, and I would, you know, you know, like feel odd about things until till the something passed. For example, one day we were going to go and it was threatening snow and whatever, and we delayed, and then we went where we were going to go, and later to come find out that the people up the hill came down right after us and had an accident right down there at that intersection. So we would have delayed a little bit or been a little bit earlier, we might have been involved in it. So it's stuff like that that has happened that I have, you know, premonitions about things and dreams. I have lots of dreams. I dream in color, full length movies and there with sounds sometimes not always, And like I said, they're just just a hole. I mean, you could make a movie about my dreams, that's they're that extensive and detailed. At times, I've drunk about famous people who have died, my etc. My uncle. I had a dream where we threw a party at my house

30:11 that I lived at at the time, at Lake Tomahawk up in Ohio, and I had a dream that everybody came and then we celebrated that everybody left, but I didn't see my dad and his brother leave. And the next thing you know, I do see my dad, but I don't see his brother, and they are very close, and I seen the basement filling up with water, and I'm thinking, where's all this water coming from? In my dream? You know? And lo and behold. Three days later, he was tragically killed in an accident at the mill up in Lawrencetown. And follow that up, years after he died, I had a dream he came to me in the dream and said I was to contact his wife. Well, all day, I kicked that around. I kicked that around and I said, I can't. I can't contact I don't want to open up old wounds, get her upset, et cetera.

31:18 You know. But I gave in eventually because it kept bothering me. It kept gnawing at me all day. And I called her and she says, well, do you know what today is? I said no. She said it was his birthday? So I had contacted her on his birthday? I didn't. I didn't remember, you know, his birthday. You know the significance, you know. But I've had premonitions, like I tell my mom Dad's coming home. She said, well, he's not due. He's working a shift. He's not due. We'll hear the power when out my dad came home. I didn't know that. But those are the kinds of one. I was in the Navy. I had a premonition that we were going to receive a flash priority message to precede the Korea. And I came up on watch and I told the guys I had this dream, and I saw you know, fire and red and we were up in the Sea of Japan. Lo and behold, five minutes after I tell them that we receive a flash priority message, proceed to Japan, to South Korea, we went up into the Sea of Japan. Up there, we were up in near Vadivosco, Russia, and we had enemy bombers fly over US.

32:34 I was an electronic counter measure, so they would turn the fire control radar on and I would know that they were, you know, preparing to bombas or whatever. So you know, I've had these things happen. So anyhow, I had those kind that kind of like feeling or premonition, and I went and moved the car out and they still weren't ready. I checked the oil and all that stuff you do before a trip. And the day earlier I saw had seen a like I said, this wasn't really really cold that day, and I had seen a big snake, a black snake up on the sycamore tree.

33:15 They're white like, and I saw it up on one of the branches, and so I just walked up that way and I passed the sycamore and I went up. There was a fence of railing that ran the whole length of the way, as like a back entrance to the farmhouse. You came up this hillside and off the side of the hill was a goe and this goalie was very very deep, and I wouldn't want to walk down it because there'd be snakes and it was always damp and just the leaves just littered there for who knows how long. No one ever raked them or anything, you know, and it was, like I said, it was a goalie down in there. And so there weren't many leaves on the trees. They were pretty well denuded by that time, you know, we had buckeye trees and that some pine trees. But it ran up behind the garage area where I pulled the car out, and there was a circle in front of the farmhouse and I would park it on that circle. And I walked over to the railing and I no sooner got there, and I was just sort of relaxing, like, you know, letting everything go.

34:29 And I seen these like two two of them were up in the front. It was almost like a military movement. There was one on the left and one on the right in this goalie, and there was I sensed there was at least one more in the front that I couldn't see, but I saw like the leaves had been were moving. As I gazed to my left. There was one opposite and one on this side of the gully, and like one or two in behind, and then in the middle was a female and a bigger male, and the female had a baby in her arms. And I was just floored. I was just like, wow, you know, it wasn't it wasn't even consciousness like you know, what am I gonna do? Or we didn't have cameras, you know, honest at that time, you know, it's before your cell phones and that. And I just took it in and then he looked up at me, and our eyes met and they weren't lowigagging, they were moving pretty good up through that goalie and I did and for the life of me, I don't understand this. I just turned and walked away. I just turned a little bit of fear,

36:00 but also like it was all like it's not like I consciously wanted to get away from there, but it also was sort of like fascinating, but it yet I just turned and walked away away from there. I never looked back, didn't even look back, walked away. So I don't I don't understand, you know, my reaction to seeing that as it as it as they moved up through that gollie. And like I said, I wouldn't go down to that golly. I wouldn't traverse that collie because there could be snakes down in there and whatever. I you know, it's a little rocky in that down in there, you know, where the water ran down from the farm. So I wouldn't go in there. But that gully led up into the woods, and then that that was thick up in there, thick woods. No one, no one would ever see them move and there and then and then the power lines were right up there too, and they would move they could.

37:06 There was a free avenue to get through up there too, So I don't them being near the power lines. The same thing is true where and I lived it in Fernway, there was a big substation at the end of the Street at Fernway when I when I lived there, and of course in Hammonsville we had we had the coal fire plants right down there near us also you know, generating electricity. There might be some connection there. I don't know, Yeah, definitely potentially. So so this happened, I's got definitely a few questions. So this happened in late nineteen eighty two. Yeah, and this was north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

37:52 This was in Hammonsville, Ohio. Oh, this is Hammonsville. Can say, at the same barnmouse where I had the second abductions. There were a bigfoot prints found near Toronto, Ohio after this. Uh, you know, people had seen, had had sightings, et cetera. So mine wasn't unique, you know. So how many do you think were there in that area because it sounds like multiple, Yeah, there. Had to be, like from what from the feeling that from what I had seen, it looked like there were six of them there at least. And they were the ones that were on the sides were smaller, like they were younger, and they were in the he was older, he was bigger, older, and then two in the back were a little bit bigger, a little bit older, But it was like a strategic military operation where they were moving through the woods and they were ready for anything.

38:58 It was. It was really interesting. I mean, they weren't clumped together, you know what I mean, They weren't within two feet. They were strategically placed to move through that going up that hillside, and the two were walking up side of the going and side of the going, and they were down in the goalie, the adult and the female. They were down in the going. So God was they were keeping their distance from each other as they moved. How close? So, thinking of all the ones that you're looking at that time, how close was the one that was nearest to you?

39:40 Oh, I'd say probably maybe twenty feet Okay, at the most twenty five feet, And he had to be about thirty feet down there in the goaling, him and her, they had to be at least thirty thirty five feet down in there. And he didn't look that big to me. But then I've never seen any and had never seen anyone that walked down in that always, so I have nothing to judge. That that's true. Yeah, you haven't, you know, I couldn't tell exactly. How big he was, but they were hairy They were dark haired, almost almost their whole face was dark or hairy.

40:28 It wasn't, you know, like clear like ours. You know, there was a lot of hair. The hair was sort of brown to black, it was that's you know. And it had a little bit of a mixture, like like some part of the body was browner than lower and then the upper was different color. Were they making any sounds that you could hear? It all quiet. The only thing you heard was leaves rustle, That's it. That's what caught my attention was the fact that I heard. I was sort of just like looking out over the going toward the farm land in the backfield, you know, just like gazing in the distance, and then I heard the noises and I looked down, and that's when I saw them.

41:16 To have a series. Yeah, did they have a certain way of moving at all? They were methodical and they were moving pretty at a good pace too. They weren't. They weren't alway gagging. They were they were on a mission, like to get somewhere, like they were going somewhere, you know. It wasn't it wasn't a leisurely gait, you know, they were they were trying to move, you know, it appeared to me that way. Were you able to see any details about the face at all of any of them? Not real good because like I said, it was at least thirty five feet away. But I but like I said, I saw his eyes and my eyes met and from to see his eyes, he had to be pretty good size, you know what I mean, the eyes, and that had to be pretty good size for me to zone in right on his eyes like that.

42:13 Yeah, And when you're able to connect eyes with something that's that's definitely a pretty special connection. Were you able to get any emotion or was there any emotion from the face that you were able to see? The overall feeling I had was like leave us alone, like it didn't want to it didn't want to go there, like avoid this at all possible, kind of feeling like they didn't want a conflict. You know, it didn't it just came across that way. It wasn't like uh, you know, daggers.

42:56 It was just like avoidance. Bigfoot witnesses that there's it's all across the board. Sometimes what they have seen is described as something that looks like some human relative or something that looks like some kind of undiscovered grade ape in the woods. Would you lean towards either side? Or is what you saw that day something completely different? It looked more human, it really did. It looked more human, especially the way she was carrying the baby in her arms. It was not ape like in gait, in movement, in the way they turned, the way he looked at me.

43:46 There was intelligence behind this. This was not just you know, an animal so to speak. You know that you would see in the zoo or whatever kind of thing this head. You could see that they it was rational from the way it reacted. That's a really cool way to put it. Have you seen anything, let's say, like anything an illustration in a book or on TV that was close to what you saw that day. I think some of the more recent pictures that they've been pulling lately that did show the face, you know, like a darker face, but yet it's it's it's sort of like a gray face that that that looks more real.

44:41 They look more real to what I saw, you know, to what I had seen at that time. I remember one time looking at a a guerrilla picture international geographic one time, and I got all upset and I and figured it out why I was so upset about that picture, and it just bothered me that it had had that impact on me. It wasn't like there was some fear, but it wasn't like that. It was like that I had had an encounter or something that it had triggered a memory of something with an animal like that. And wow, you know that that, Like I said, sometimes you have these unconscious things that pop up. You'll get little snapshots about what happened in the abduction or in some contact of some kind. But I don't know why my reaction was so fierce to that picture in the National Geographic because I've looked at gorolas before, had never ever, but there was something about that face on that grilla that

46:15 triggered the reaction, in the very strong reaction. So I don't know if it went back to the day when I've seen them or some other event. I don't know. We one time had we would go up and we used the garden up above to plant tomatoes and various pumpkins and things up there. And when my son was little, we used to carry him in a little you know, one of those carrying things you put children in, and we had a strange things happened. We were up there working in the garden, and you can say, well, it just happens. But my wife and I both were working up there. We had taken him up and we had set him into the field, and we both went down at the farmhouse and we turned to each other and said, well, where's where's our sun, Where's where's Hans And we realized we left them up in the garden. We can't to this day, we can't figure out why we did that.

47:13 You know. We were so protective of him, and it was like, how that happen, you know, And you can say, well, that can happen, you know, But now it's just like sometimes things happen, they are like bizarre, you know, like off the wall, you know. So one hundred percent did anyone else on that property have any exa sightings as well? The elderly The elderly people that lived there, they shared the other side of the farmhouse, and we were friendly with them, and but we never talked about it. I never raised it with him because I was they were upstanding characters in the community, and I didn't want other people to know at that time what I had experienced.

48:02 I was afraid it would ruin my standing in the community and career, so't I didn't discuss it with them. But whether or not they were affected, I have no idea. If they never talked about anything like that. They never raised the you know, I never tried raising it with them either. I never thought too. I never thought they would be touched. I thought they were here from me and my family. Yeah, that's what I thought. Not everybody is abducted, and that's the problem. Why why me? That was that was the hardest part. In the beginning. I was like, well, why did they do this? And I was angry, like for many many years about this, you know. And then as I got old, As I'm older now, I think they gave me something. They definitely opened my mind up. They definitely made me aware of things.

49:00 And from that point on I was really involved in science and mathematics deeply. I just went off the scale on stuff. And so I think some of that might have been attributed to what happened. I do remember when I was little. I do remember being and looking in front of screens and seeing this. I remember looking out a window from space back at Earth. I remember us being taught things on these ships. There's little snapshots of things that happened, that creep into it. Now, what was I taught? What was shown? I was shown areas around the world that had red spots on them, Africa, South America, the Middle East in it. And you would probably say, well, that's nothing new today, but back then it wasn't. The threat to Kennedy was known at that time. The threat to our country or to what the UFOs were doing, you know, that was all new too, you know.

50:10 Okay, so they were showing you the places to be aware of. The and the other. The other thing people have to understand is they can get in and out of time, and they can stretch time elongated. They knew It's like they knew the future in a way because they're there at that point at that time. It's bizarre and people will say, well, you I would do this. You don't do nothing. You're not in control. They are in control. You think you would do you wouldn't do. First of all, you're scared out of your mind. You know this, This is not normal. This isn't This isn't something that you go lightly into.

50:59 Let me tell you exactly. And I think that's a common thread to what you just said, which is on the big Foot side, A lot of people will say, Okay, so you're out there in that area and you have this experience, and why do you freak out and why do you get out of there? Well, because you just don't realize what it's like until you're there. It's hard to control things. And then also you almost just said you're for sard of. You're not prepared, you know. Be careful what you wish for. I don't know. Is that said in the UFO field too. Yeah, because a lot of people say, oh, I would do this, and I would do that, and I'd get a U some something to bring back. They ain't gonna happen.

51:42 Like I said, you're not in control. They control every minute, every second, every there's no locks, there's no doors, there's no way you can't hide from them. They want you. They got you that, let me tell you that. And talking about the alien specifically. Yes, yeah. And as far as Bigfoot goes, like I said, I wasn't prepared. I wasn't expecting to see it. Just it's like, how do you prepare yourself for that? You know? I don't. I don't think you can. Today we might, we might be able to have a better chance of that because so many people have experienced it and come forward and explain what they have have experienced.

52:30 But back you know, if you decades, Nope, we weren't prepared, were no way will be prepared. Absolutely. Would you ever want to see Have you ever had a desire to see a big foot again since that time? Well, that's a good question. I had never thought about that. I assume that if I'm in the woods, it's a possibility. I would assume because I had the experience one time, I would assume that it possibly could happen again. And it's just like this abduction. It wasn't over the first time, it wasn't over the second time. And I know there were multiple times when they came that I consciously don't remember all of what happened. And they talk about the astral plane and stuff like that, where they can dip in and dip out, and that there may be something to that. They're they're definitely inter dimensional of some kind.

53:41 They can pop in and pop out, apparently. I'm talking about aliens. Yeah, And and some people even think that that there's a there's a quite I mean, I talk to people all over the big foot community, but there there's a lot of people will bring up the possibility of Bigfoot being able to go through different dimensions or you know, sounds like something very similar to what you just said. To be honest, so. You would wonder why they would be here in this dimension. Why they would if that's true, why would they choose Earth, you know, and want to be here in this dimension unless it's a good place to be compared to other places.

54:30 You know. It, man, It is just as I've said a lot of times on the show before, is one of I feel that the Bigfoot is one of the last great mysteries that we have in the world. You can't just go onto a website and be like, give me all the information, like we don't have it right. We have a lot of theories, we have a lot of people trying to figure it out, and so that is that's what really draws it for me, draws me to it one of the things. But you know, John, thank you so much for sharing what your experiences were. And it is one of the only times I think on the show that I've been able to talk to you know, an abductee, but also an individual that has experienced a Bigfoot as well or multiple bigfoot in that in.

55:23 That situation, but yeah, it wasn't just one. Yeah, absolutely. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you would come to the show to share today. Yep. Fantastic, fantastic. Well, thank you so much for and if anything else ever comes up in the future, feel free to You can always reach out, send me an email. I'd love to hear from you again. But you know, thank you so much for coming on the show today, John. All right, well, thank you for having me because I think it, you know, makes everybody where they're here in Ohio, they're here, they say they're here in western Pennsylvania too, and especially the mountain in the upper forests, you know, the forest area and and what is it south Forth Lake Park? Is that how they pronounce.

56:14 That, oh souk Yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's pretty prevalent there too. The site they say they have you know, recently, I guess. You know, so northeast Ohio. There's a lot going on right now, and so that's not too far away from that that Hammondsville area that we're talking about. But yeah, keep us in the in the loop, John, and thank you so much for coming on today. See you have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon, and you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what This year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's gonna be even better than the previous year's.

57:09 Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you just gotta be there. We'll leave at that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal. It's just trust it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code b SP like Bigfoot Society Podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can can get

58:41 a little a little help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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