April 22, 2026

They Told Him Not to Talk… Then the Bigfoot Showed Up | Ohio

They Told Him Not to Talk… Then the Bigfoot Showed Up | Ohio

He was 15 when it started. Lights outside his window. Missing time. A face staring back at him that he never forgot. Years later, in a quiet farmhouse in rural Ohio, it happened again. A deep vibration in the air. A presence above the house. Hours...

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Season 1

He was 15 when it started.


Lights outside his window. Missing time. A face staring back at him that he never forgot.


Years later, in a quiet farmhouse in rural Ohio, it happened again. A deep vibration in the air. A presence above the house. Hours gone without explanation.


And then—months after that night—something else appeared.


Moving through a wooded gully behind the property… not one, but a group. Large figures. Coordinated. Silent. A female carrying a child. Others flanking the sides like they were on a mission.


One of them looked directly at him.


In this episode, John shares a lifetime of experiences that connect moments most people never talk about. Encounters that stayed with him, shaped him, and pushed him to search for answers.


This is a firsthand account told by a science educator, a veteran, and someone who spent decades trying to understand what he lived through.


If you’ve ever wondered what really happens in these encounters… this is one you need to hear.


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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Welcome back to another

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episode of Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking

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to John today. John's an individual with a very interesting story,

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the likes of which I don't believe has come up

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on the show before, so I'm looking forward to hearing

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it along with you the listener. A few things about John.

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John is a Vietnam veteran, so thank you for your

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service in that regard, guards sir. Also, you've been a

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high school educator over the years in many different subject physics, mathematics, biology,

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Earth and space science, computer science, and I believe you

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said you were a middle school teacher as well. Is

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that correct, John?

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Yes?

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Awesome? Correct, very good, very good. And then would there

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be anything else that you would want to have the

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listeners be aware of for context before we get going

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with your experiences.

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I taught adults computer intro science in the high school

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when the computers first started coming out, to try to

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get them, you know, to learn word processing and how

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to use the system, that kind of a thing. I

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attended Kent State when the Internet was first getting started,

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So I've worked with computers when we had punch cards.

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Okay, got it. And and there's going to be a

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lot of listeners that that's going to be all new to.

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What year was that then that you were involved When

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the internet first came.

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Around nineteen eighty two, it was just starting he had.

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I think it was Berkeley. I think it was, if

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my memory serves me right, it was just starting to

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be set up. But we at the Kent State they

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concentrate on teaching us computer science programs such as logo

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and others other language.

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I used to be a developer, I know what you're

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talking about. I used to be a developer before I

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got into podcasting. And it sounds like It was a

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wild time back then when you had punch cards and

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all the old languages and cobal and all that crazy stuff.

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There were no monitors back then.

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Right exactly. You just fed the card in all that

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good stuff. So you were we were talking a little

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bit before the show started, and you had mentioned that

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I think this might be an interesting anecdote that there

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the Navy tried to get you to do some some

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interesting things, or they wanted.

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My first day, we took all the Army regular tests.

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Then he had me take another test and I scored

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the highest there. You know, there were eighty guys in

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the room, and I thought, oh my, I messed up.

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What did I do wrong? And then they told me

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I scored the highest, and they wanted me to go

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into nuclear because I was inclined to that, but I

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settled for raiderman. I went into elect electronics and radar instead,

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four years instead.

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Of six years, okay, gotcha.

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And I graduated top three of my class, so I

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was able to pick my duty station, and I volunteered

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for at all. I wanted to be where where however

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it was going on. I wanted to be a part

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of it. Wow, at that time, it was kind of

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patriotic at that.

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Time, right, It was completely different.

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It was a different mindset.

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been to many different, different interesting locations around I believe

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the US and maybe even the world, different radio installations,

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things like that.

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Yeah, green Bank. I've been to Apache Point in New Mexico,

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National Astronomy Observatory, Tucson, kit Peek, Mount Palmore, Berkeley. You know,

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I'm just writing off names here, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Let's see

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Langley number of times, the Langley, John Hopkins, George Washington

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Universe biotechnology with cloning at Clarion University. Uh. Uh. Just

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I worked in Howton, Michigan. They were working on uh

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the Michigan Tech was working on katelele converters at the time.

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They were studying those, and we did a lot of

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two years. I worked in a copper mine up there,

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and I worked with explosives. We actually did mining drilling,

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and worked with the Tonka toys, you know, the big

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trucks and that. I got to drive them and that

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and the equipment, and it just got a really good

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geological background there of that area.

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Did you say you were involved with a cloning program

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as well.

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Learning Learning Learning First Learning. When cloning came out, I

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was involved with that. I I I went to Clarion

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and then they followed up later I went to I

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was down at George Washington University. We got to see

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Gillette was doing something new at that time. They were

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taking cadaver eyes and cloning them rather than injecting stuff

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into the rabbit's size. They were trying to do away

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with animal testing, and they were trying to substitute these

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cloned cadaver contacts. And there's various other things too, like

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the study of the monkey brains, and that was there

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when I was at George Washington. Also, I was the

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Health Physics Teacher of the Year in two thousand and

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four and that award was given in Washington, d C.

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Also not far from George Washington University. And the the

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background basically was raid on getting the information out, and

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I had my students using kits to that were homemade

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developed We developed them in our own at the school.

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Then the students would take them home and then if

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we found one that was high elevated, we would follow

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it up with the store bought raid On kit and

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see if it held up and it always did, so

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our testing was really good. We did a very good job. Wow,

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and we were able to warn a number of parents

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because in western Pennsylvania we do have a problem with

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raid on and people don't realize it can cause lung cancer.

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But that's so cool. So you were actually potentially saving

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people in the community that you were also a teacher.

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Making them aware, making them aware, you.

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Know, yeah, absolutely.

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I worked with the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon

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workshops on various science things, mathematics, Indiana University. I've spoken

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a national Science Teachers conferences, state conferences. I've written many

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many grants over the years, so you know, I have

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a very oh I help develop at San Antonio, Texas.

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One year we did National Standards for Science and Mathematics.

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I was involved with that. So I've seen a gamut

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of everything that a science educator could come across.

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That's really cool and I wanted to take a few

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minutes to kind of lay the foundation work for what

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you've been involved in through your life, and it is

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really just a lot of really cool steff I wound up.

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So before we dive into it, would you be able

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to share you know I'm guessing. Well, so the location,

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the year, possible time of year, so that listeners really

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get where we're talking about. If you're able to share

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that information.

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All right, Well we'll have to go back to nineteen

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sixty three. I was fifteen years old. Now, there may

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have been something that happened before, and if anybody does

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any research in this background, you know that that's very

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possible because it seems to run in the family, and

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my son's affected. They it is not always conscious. In

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other words, you're not fully conscious all the time, and

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that's something that the viewer must understand first. But in

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nineteen sixty three, I was fifteen. I was in a

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bunk bit with my who was above me, and I

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had my two other brothers were in their punk beds,

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and there was six in our family and the two

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girls from in the room next door. And I saw

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these Something woke me up and I saw these. I

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heard a noise and I saw all these lights flashing

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in the room, and I thought, oh, it's a ambulance,

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a police car, firetruck. What's going on, you know, something

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like something across the street, something like that. So I

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go to look. I go to the window, and when

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I pull the curtain back, as these lights are flashing,

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I'm staring into the face of a gray alien. And

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then I lose consciousness. And then the next thing I

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remember consciously is coming down the hallway to my bedroom,

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and I'm saying to myself, why am I coming down

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this hallway? Why am I going to my bedroom? In

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other words, there was a huge gap in time, and

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I went in and I lay down, and I know

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sooner lay down. I got up and I went over

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to my mother, and my dad had he worked shifts,

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so I didn't want to wake him. So I woke

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my mom and we discussed it, and she said, oh,

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you had a bad dream. I said, oh no, this

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was not a dream. And I told her, I said,

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we have to contact President Kennedy. We have to let

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him know what's going on. This is unbelievable. And I

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started to tell her some of the things that I

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saw and remembered from as I remember things as it

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was happening. Now this I'm fifteen in nineteen sixty three,

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I think Betty and Barney Hill was sixty one, and

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nobody there was nobody to talk to. There was nobody

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to share this information with. You know, the closest. WIT's

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why I went to my mom. So anyhow, we discussed it,

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and then I went back and lay down in the

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bedroom and took a while for me to go to sleep,

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and I had school the next day. Well, now we'll

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jump I'm thirty.

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Four, sorry real quick? What area of the US? Did

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that happen in?

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Okay? That happened in Cranberry Township. Today it's called Cranberry Township.

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We used to just call Cranberry until some other place

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took that name. Anyhow, the Cranberry town Jay Fernway was

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to eighty one Robin Hood.

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Drive, and that's in Pennsylvania.

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Yeah, and that was in the fall of sixty three.

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It wasn't early, it was earlier. It was still warm light,

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you know. And I didn't like to date down because,

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like I said, I was fifteen, you know, and I

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was astounded, just simply astounded what happened. And who could

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I talk to? Who could you share that information with?

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You know? So I jump ahead to I left that,

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you know. Let it go to nineteen eighty two. This

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is May fifth. I'm in an eighteen thirty five built

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farmhouse in Hammondsville, Ohio. The Hammonds, whom the town is

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named after, had this house, this farmhouse. They had like

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I don't know, three three hundred acres and when they

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originally were there, and it had run down. Now since

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you know those earlier days, the farm they had let

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it go. The owners were elderly, and they rented out

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half the house, and my wife and I rented it

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as I started teaching down there in seventy six, and

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I coached football and basketball, and you know, I taught

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science and computer science and all that. And eddiehow I

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get back to the story. Eighty two, I heard this

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noise and I woke up. It was like two o'clock

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in the morning, and I could hear these dogs barking

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down the valley. And as they got closer to me,

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the dogs with the dogs that lived closer to me,

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they started barking and barking, and in other words, I

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could sense that something was moving toward the farmhouse, and

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I could hear them yelp. They would yelp, and I

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would think, Oh, they're chasing the deer, and the deer

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is kicking them and that's causing them to yep. Well,

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it kept doing that, and finally I had this I

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heard this noise and it was a droning sound, and

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I sensed this huge, humongous object over the farmhouse. I

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thought at first it was an airplane, coal truck coming

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down the hill, you know, helico, you know, I went

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through all the gamut. Next thing I know, I sensed

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this huge object above me. I don't know how to

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explain it other than that. And the droning was like

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it was so deep and penetrating, it vibrated you your

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body and in fact, when the blue green light came

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on in the room, it started scanning back and forth

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through the room, and the springs and the mattress started

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vibrating from the intensity. And it was like somebody had

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taken a knife and stuck it in your ear. That's

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how it hurt. And then I knew why the dogs

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were barking, because miners hurt. And then all of a

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sudden they were curious because I had a train lay

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at an h O trainly out eight by four and

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they kept scanning it. It bothered them. They didn't they

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couldn't figure you know, in my mind, they couldn't figure

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out what it was. And I know there's no such

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thing as humor doing this thing, but it was like

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hilarious that they kept going back over that and then

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they let it go and the ray went off, but

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it was still there above us. And then I sensed

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I always left the door open to the we were

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on the top floor. I left the door open because

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it was a coal fire house, and if I smelled smoke,

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I wanted to be able to get us out of there.

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And my son was in his crib on the left

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side near my wife at the time, and she's out

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and I'm on my side now. I was on my back.

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I'm on my side now looking toward the door because

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I have a sense that something, a presence is coming

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to that door. And when a hand come around the door,

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I said, you know, who is I didn't go who

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is that? What are you doing here? What's going on?

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You know, or anything like a normal reaction would be.

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I said, here they come again. Not you know, this

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wasn't the first time. Here they come again. And that's

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part of the problem is there are many things that happen,

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but this is the conscious parts of the hards, you know,

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the ones that you hold on to they So when

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that happened, next thing you know, I'm out. Then I

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get little snapshots along the way I'm going through the roof.

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I'm and not many people have ever explained the same

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thing to me, But I was put on like this

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cot that's the only for one of a better word

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that it was a transfer transfer device. And I'm laid

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on it and we literally go up through the roof

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and I can see the sky, I can see the stars,

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and I'm taking up to this vehicle. And then when

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we get up to the vehicle, they had to maneuver

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me to get me into the vehicle. And and again

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a little bit of humor. It was like these people

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come all the way across the universe, et cetera here

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and they have trouble getting me into the vehicle. It was.

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It was bizarre. And then they do get me in,

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and then I black out again and I'm waking and

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I go through tests. We'll just stop it there, okay, tests,

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And the next thing you know, I'm being taken back

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out the same manipulation in reverse and down I come.

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I'm looking toward the ground from about a thousand feet

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up somewhere around there. You know, five hundred thousand feet

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up and I'm taken down and I'm stood in front

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of this one, which will look like a mantis being,

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and I'm in front of him, and he is penetrating

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my eyes. He's looking right into my eyes, and he's downloading,

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he's giving me information. And all I can do is say, oh, oh, oh.

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He took me to the core of who my consciousness was,

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took me down to the very beating my very being,

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and he was implanting stuff in there. That's all I

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can tell you. And the next thing you know, they're

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taking me back and I'm laying on the bed. I

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wake up again conscious for a brief moment again, I'm

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waking up on a bed. My wife's still out, and

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then they take my son, my three year old son,

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out the door, and I assumed they took him up,

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but as they were taking him, I was crying. Now

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that's where my car well. Then after that happened, our

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next scene is I see the vehicle moving away. It's

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moving away from me, heading toward the west, because there

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were windows that I look straight out from the farmhouse

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that way. And as it was moving away, I turned

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to my wife and where she says to me. She says,

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what was that? She finally wakes up and she says,

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what was that? I said, I don't know, That's what

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I said to her. You know, it was like unbelievable.

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I laid there for a few moments. It's like you

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couldn't move and I can't explain that either. And the

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next thing, you know, I'm angry. I feel like I've

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been violated, which I was, and I'm taking I go

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downstairs and I'm looking for any evidence I can find,

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because I thought for sure that all that vibration would

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have shattered the glass, chandelier or a glass or something

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would have been broken. No, nothing, no proof. And I'm

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physically exhausted, physically drained, and you know, emotionally, and it's

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almost like p PTSD, you know. I just so I

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had school the next day, and I sought out the

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children and I asked them if they heard anything, saw anything,

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and some of the students did. They did see lights,

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and they did hear noises, and they did sing, and

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one girl up the street said they definitely saw something

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in the sky. And then there were reports and the

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local papers, even here in Pittsburgh, of UFO settings on

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that day and I had to get it out to somebody.

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So I told the biology teacher. I won't mention his

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name here, but I told the biology teacher, and he

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just looked at me, of course, and I said, I

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know you don't I know you want to understand this.

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I know you won't believe this, but I have to

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tell somebody, like to confirm that this happened, you know,

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so that years later somebody could say, yeah, you did

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tell me, you know, he did say that. And so

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I did that. And then the next time was it's

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been many years where consciously I remember was in twenty

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twenty and I had another episode and we'll just say

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say that, but the the Bigfoot happened after the second

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one down there in Hammondsville, and that that I can

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talk about now.

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And before we do that, I want I had a

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just an observation about the Hammondsville incident. Sure the way,

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So I've never interviewed a abductee before, yep, I don't

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believe so talk to a lot of people. I don't

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think I've talked to an abductee. But you so, I'm

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not really you know, familiar with how things usually go.

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But it's interesting you mentioned a few things, where one

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was that you passed out, you went right to sleep,

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It sounds like and that that kind of comes up

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a lot in in bigfoot encounters too. They have something,

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the witness has something happened, and all of a sudden

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they just go right to sleep. Also, the other thing

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that sometimes comes up is, uh, you talked about how

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you were given information or or implanted information or like

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downloaded into your conscious And that does come up sometimes

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with certain big foot encounters as well. Sometimes it's after

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the encounter and they start having dreams at home and

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they start having this information downloaded to them from somewhere.

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I had a right I had a lot of dreams

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after the encounters and ed orc more multiple contacts after that.

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The one thing I didn't tell you is I went

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to it. I went to Stan Gordon and I talked

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to him. They had a conference over in Nuroville at

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the time, and I was leary about coming out and

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talking about I did not want to do it. I

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had my whole career ahead of me. I didn't want to,

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you know, mess that up. So I no one will

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believe you anyhow at that point in time. And this

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is that's nineteen eighty two, even and I wrote to

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Bud Hopkins, all the Fame mac all the famous people,

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and they advised me to use somebody locally, and even

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Stan sent me to a hypnotist locally and I went

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to him and he me under hypnosis. I didn't think

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I could be hypnotized, and he put me under hypnosis.

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And during a lot of this came out under hypnosis.

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And when it came to the scene where they were

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taking my son, tears literally were rolling down my face

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because I couldn't do anything. And in under hypnosis, I'm

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crying and in front of another man, so you understand,

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you know this this was not you know. And then

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he asked me and when it was over, after he

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went through the hypnotism, I went through the session there

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he asked me to come back for the when I

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was a child, and I was a little leery of

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doing that at that time because I thought, boy, I

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don't know if I wanted to. I don't know if

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I want to open up the whole can of worms.

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You know, I don't know whether I'd be able to

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handle everything that happened. Maybe, So I was leary. And

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I do have to say this after the second one,

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they tell you don't talk about it. The aliens would

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tell you the aliens don't want you talking about it.

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Really they well, they do it, I think to protect me,

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in other words, to protect the abductee. They don't want

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to put to jeopardize your existence. But I think they

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they really stressed, don't do it. But me, being a

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little defiant, I told myself, I'm going to tell people,

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you know I'm gonna do. I'm going to get this up.

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But I never did. I wrote it all down. I

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wrote everything down that happened. And then finally, as I

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got older, I finally it's time. And so I started

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to talk about it at various organizations, and like with

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I gave Nick popa copy of various but Hopkins and all,

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you know, everybody that I could contact. Preston Dennett, and

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I gave Nick Hunter at the UFO Chronicles the information.

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We did a podcast together, and I've done a few

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others to get this information out.

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That's fascinating. It is really cool that you were able

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to talk to Stan about it. Because if you look

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at a map, I mean, you're just over the the

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that border area from southwest Pennsylvania. I mean, you've got

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the little West Virginia part between you guys, but I

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mean it's all right there. So fascinating stuff.

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Yeah, so that I had it in Pennsylvania, then Ohio,

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and then back again in Pennsylvania again consciously now you know.

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So so let's let's talk next about how that led

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then into a bigfoot experience that you had.

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Okay, it was it was in the fall, and now

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this that happened in May, and by fall we're getting

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I think closer to like Thanksgiving celebration. We were going

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to go up for my parents back up in Pennsylvania,

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and we were still living at the farmhouse in Ohio

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at Hammondsville, and I had pulled the car out and

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got it ready while she got my three year old

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son ready to go to go on the trip. And

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I do have to set the conditions a little bit.

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I had had feelings. I don't know how to explain it,

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but I had premonitions and like I would have a

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premonition that something was going to happen, and sometimes bad,

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and I would, you know, you know, like feel odd

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about things until till the something passed. For example, one

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day we were going to go and it was threatening

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snow and whatever, and we delayed, and then we went

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where we were going to go, and later to come

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find out that the people up the hill came down

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right after us and had an accident right down there

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at that intersection. So we would have delayed a little

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bit or been a little bit earlier, we might have

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been involved in it. So it's stuff like that that

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has happened that I have, you know, premonitions about things

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and dreams. I have lots of dreams. I dream in color,

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full length movies and there with sounds sometimes not always,

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And like I said, they're just just a hole. I mean,

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you could make a movie about my dreams, that's they're

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that extensive and detailed. At times, I've drunk about famous

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people who have died, my etc. My uncle. I had

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a dream where we threw a party at my house

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that I lived at at the time, at Lake Tomahawk

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up in Ohio, and I had a dream that everybody

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came and then we celebrated that everybody left, but I

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didn't see my dad and his brother leave. And the

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next thing you know, I do see my dad, but

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I don't see his brother, and they are very close,

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and I seen the basement filling up with water, and

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I'm thinking, where's all this water coming from? In my dream?

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You know? And lo and behold. Three days later, he

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was tragically killed in an accident at the mill up

459
00:30:53.799 --> 00:31:01.880
in Lawrencetown. And follow that up, years after he died,

460
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.599
I had a dream he came to me in the

461
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:09.200
dream and said I was to contact his wife. Well,

462
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.920
all day, I kicked that around. I kicked that around

463
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.359
and I said, I can't. I can't contact I don't

464
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.160
want to open up old wounds, get her upset, et cetera.

465
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.200
You know. But I gave in eventually because it kept

466
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.000
bothering me. It kept gnawing at me all day. And

467
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:26.519
I called her and she says, well, do you know

468
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.079
what today is? I said no. She said it was

469
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.519
his birthday? So I had contacted her on his birthday?

470
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.480
I didn't. I didn't remember, you know, his birthday. You

471
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.680
know the significance, you know. But I've had premonitions, like

472
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.279
I tell my mom Dad's coming home. She said, well,

473
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.519
he's not due. He's working a shift. He's not due.

474
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.920
We'll hear the power when out my dad came home.

475
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:55.759
I didn't know that. But those are the kinds of one.

476
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.519
I was in the Navy. I had a premonition that

477
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.960
we were going to receive a flash priority message to

478
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.559
precede the Korea. And I came up on watch and

479
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.559
I told the guys I had this dream, and I

480
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:14.480
saw you know, fire and red and we were up

481
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:18.599
in the Sea of Japan. Lo and behold, five minutes

482
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:22.480
after I tell them that we receive a flash priority message,

483
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:27.759
proceed to Japan, to South Korea, we went up into

484
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.759
the Sea of Japan. Up there, we were up in

485
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:34.559
near Vadivosco, Russia, and we had enemy bombers fly over US.

486
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.400
I was an electronic counter measure, so they would turn

487
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.119
the fire control radar on and I would know that

488
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.039
they were, you know, preparing to bombas or whatever. So

489
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.160
you know, I've had these things happen. So anyhow, I

490
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.680
had those kind that kind of like feeling or premonition,

491
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:56.119
and I went and moved the car out and they

492
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.200
still weren't ready. I checked the oil and all that

493
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:03.680
stuff you do before a trip. And the day earlier

494
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:08.599
I saw had seen a like I said, this wasn't

495
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:12.319
really really cold that day, and I had seen a

496
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.640
big snake, a black snake up on the sycamore tree.

497
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.799
They're white like, and I saw it up on one

498
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.880
of the branches, and so I just walked up that

499
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.920
way and I passed the sycamore and I went up.

500
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.279
There was a fence of railing that ran the whole

501
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.160
length of the way, as like a back entrance to

502
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.640
the farmhouse. You came up this hillside and off the

503
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.039
side of the hill was a goe and this goalie

504
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.319
was very very deep, and I wouldn't want to walk

505
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.880
down it because there'd be snakes and it was always

506
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:48.799
damp and just the leaves just littered there for who

507
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.359
knows how long. No one ever raked them or anything,

508
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.599
you know, and it was, like I said, it was

509
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.279
a goalie down in there. And so there weren't many

510
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:59.519
leaves on the trees. They were pretty well denuded by

511
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:03.000
that time, you know, we had buckeye trees and that

512
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:12.519
some pine trees. But it ran up behind the garage

513
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.559
area where I pulled the car out, and there was

514
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.599
a circle in front of the farmhouse and I would

515
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.599
park it on that circle. And I walked over to

516
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.159
the railing and I no sooner got there, and I

517
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.320
was just sort of relaxing, like, you know, letting everything go.

518
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:36.320
And I seen these like two two of them were

519
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.079
up in the front. It was almost like a military movement.

520
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.679
There was one on the left and one on the

521
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.519
right in this goalie, and there was I sensed there

522
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.960
was at least one more in the front that I

523
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.840
couldn't see, but I saw like the leaves had been

524
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.639
were moving. As I gazed to my left. There was

525
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.880
one opposite and one on this side of the gully,

526
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:08.559
and like one or two in behind, and then in

527
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:13.079
the middle was a female and a bigger male, and

528
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.639
the female had a baby in her arms. And I

529
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:21.840
was just floored. I was just like, wow, you know,

530
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:26.800
it wasn't it wasn't even consciousness like you know, what

531
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.760
am I gonna do? Or we didn't have cameras, you know,

532
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:35.480
honest at that time, you know, it's before your cell

533
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.280
phones and that. And I just took it in and

534
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.679
then he looked up at me, and our eyes met

535
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.280
and they weren't lowigagging, they were moving pretty good up

536
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.000
through that goalie and I did and for the life

537
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.559
of me, I don't understand this. I just turned and

538
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:59.440
walked away. I just turned a little bit of fear,

539
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.760
but also like it was all like it's not like

540
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.639
I consciously wanted to get away from there, but it

541
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:15.280
also was sort of like fascinating, but it yet I

542
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.719
just turned and walked away away from there. I never

543
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:24.360
looked back, didn't even look back, walked away. So I

544
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:29.320
don't I don't understand, you know, my reaction to seeing

545
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.039
that as it as it as they moved up through

546
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.039
that gollie. And like I said, I wouldn't go down

547
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:39.559
to that golly. I wouldn't traverse that collie because there

548
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.039
could be snakes down in there and whatever. I you know,

549
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.599
it's a little rocky in that down in there, you know,

550
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.159
where the water ran down from the farm. So I

551
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.320
wouldn't go in there. But that gully led up into

552
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.840
the woods, and then that that was thick up in there,

553
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.199
thick woods. No one, no one would ever see them

554
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.880
move and there and then and then the power lines

555
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.599
were right up there too, and they would move they could.

556
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.679
There was a free avenue to get through up there too,

557
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.679
So I don't them being near the power lines. The

558
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.079
same thing is true where and I lived it in Fernway,

559
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.599
there was a big substation at the end of the

560
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.840
Street at Fernway when I when I lived there, and

561
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.000
of course in Hammonsville we had we had the coal

562
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.519
fire plants right down there near us also you know,

563
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.280
generating electricity. There might be some connection there.

564
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:41.000
I don't know, Yeah, definitely potentially. So so this happened,

565
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:44.840
I's got definitely a few questions. So this happened in

566
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:52.000
late nineteen eighty two. Yeah, and this was north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

567
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:53.800
This was in Hammonsville, Ohio.

568
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:55.239
Oh, this is Hammonsville.

569
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.679
Can say, at the same barnmouse where I had the

570
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:04.280
second abductions. There were a bigfoot prints found near Toronto,

571
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:10.159
Ohio after this. Uh, you know, people had seen, had

572
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:14.199
had sightings, et cetera. So mine wasn't unique, you know.

573
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.519
So how many do you think were there in that

574
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.920
area because it sounds like multiple, Yeah, there.

575
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.519
Had to be, like from what from the feeling that

576
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:29.719
from what I had seen, it looked like there were

577
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.480
six of them there at least. And they were the

578
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.840
ones that were on the sides were smaller, like they

579
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:42.239
were younger, and they were in the he was older,

580
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.639
he was bigger, older, and then two in the back

581
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.719
were a little bit bigger, a little bit older, But

582
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:53.400
it was like a strategic military operation where they were

583
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.400
moving through the woods and they were ready for anything.

584
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.079
It was. It was really interesting. I mean, they weren't

585
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.360
clumped together, you know what I mean, They weren't within

586
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.800
two feet. They were strategically placed to move through that

587
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.000
going up that hillside, and the two were walking up

588
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.519
side of the going and side of the going, and

589
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.320
they were down in the goalie, the adult and the female.

590
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.440
They were down in the going. So God was they

591
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.239
were keeping their distance from each other as they moved.

592
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:32.119
How close? So, thinking of all the ones that you're

593
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:38.119
looking at that time, how close was the one that

594
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:39.119
was nearest to you?

595
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:49.679
Oh, I'd say probably maybe twenty feet Okay, at the

596
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.840
most twenty five feet, And he had to be about

597
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.719
thirty feet down there in the goaling, him and her,

598
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.480
they had to be at least thirty thirty five feet

599
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:03.719
down in there. And he didn't look that big to me.

600
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.239
But then I've never seen any and had never seen

601
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.840
anyone that walked down in that always, so I have

602
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.079
nothing to judge.

603
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:16.000
That that's true. Yeah, you haven't, you know, I couldn't

604
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.599
tell exactly.

605
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:20.360
How big he was, but they were hairy They were

606
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:27.320
dark haired, almost almost their whole face was dark or hairy.

607
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.760
It wasn't, you know, like clear like ours. You know,

608
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.119
there was a lot of hair. The hair was sort

609
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.559
of brown to black, it was that's you know. And

610
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.719
it had a little bit of a mixture, like like

611
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.639
some part of the body was browner than lower and

612
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.519
then the upper was different color.

613
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.360
Were they making any sounds that you could hear? It

614
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.199
all quiet.

615
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.559
The only thing you heard was leaves rustle, That's it.

616
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.320
That's what caught my attention was the fact that I heard.

617
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.360
I was sort of just like looking out over the

618
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.800
going toward the farm land in the backfield, you know,

619
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.760
just like gazing in the distance, and then I heard

620
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.159
the noises and I looked down, and that's when I

621
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.480
saw them.

622
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.880
To have a series. Yeah, did they have a certain

623
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:20.760
way of moving at all?

624
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.159
They were methodical and they were moving pretty at a

625
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.400
good pace too. They weren't. They weren't alway gagging. They

626
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.599
were they were on a mission, like to get somewhere,

627
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.320
like they were going somewhere, you know. It wasn't it

628
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.880
wasn't a leisurely gait, you know, they were they were

629
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:43.760
trying to move, you know, it appeared to me that way.

630
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.239
Were you able to see any details about the face

631
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.599
at all of any of them?

632
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.320
Not real good because like I said, it was at

633
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.000
least thirty five feet away. But I but like I said,

634
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.880
I saw his eyes and my eyes met and from

635
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.039
to see his eyes, he had to be pretty good size,

636
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:05.719
you know what I mean, the eyes, and that had

637
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.920
to be pretty good size for me to zone in

638
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:10.559
right on his eyes like that.

639
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.559
Yeah, And when you're able to connect eyes with something

640
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:20.840
that's that's definitely a pretty special connection. Were you able

641
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.719
to get any emotion or was there any emotion from

642
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.079
the face that you were able to see?

643
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.199
The overall feeling I had was like leave us alone,

644
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.719
like it didn't want to it didn't want to go there,

645
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.880
like avoid this at all possible, kind of feeling like

646
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.280
they didn't want a conflict. You know, it didn't it

647
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:56.239
just came across that way. It wasn't like uh, you know, daggers.

648
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.440
It was just like avoidance.

649
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:08.760
Bigfoot witnesses that there's it's all across the board. Sometimes

650
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.239
what they have seen is described as something that looks

651
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:17.400
like some human relative or something that looks like some

652
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:21.599
kind of undiscovered grade ape in the woods. Would you

653
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.840
lean towards either side? Or is what you saw that

654
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.480
day something completely different?

655
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:31.280
It looked more human, it really did. It looked more human,

656
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:35.960
especially the way she was carrying the baby in her arms.

657
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:42.599
It was not ape like in gait, in movement, in

658
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.159
the way they turned, the way he looked at me.

659
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:50.599
There was intelligence behind this. This was not just you know,

660
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.920
an animal so to speak. You know that you would

661
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.199
see in the zoo or whatever kind of thing this head.

662
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:03.599
You could see that they it was rational from the

663
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:04.800
way it reacted.

664
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.559
That's a really cool way to put it. Have you

665
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:16.559
seen anything, let's say, like anything an illustration in a

666
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.199
book or on TV that was close to what you

667
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:19.960
saw that day.

668
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.480
I think some of the more recent pictures that they've

669
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.920
been pulling lately that did show the face, you know,

670
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.119
like a darker face, but yet it's it's it's sort

671
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:41.320
of like a gray face that that that looks more real.

672
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.880
They look more real to what I saw, you know,

673
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:49.280
to what I had seen at that time. I remember

674
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:56.159
one time looking at a a guerrilla picture international geographic

675
00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:00.199
one time, and I got all upset and I and

676
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.039
figured it out why I was so upset about that picture,

677
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:11.039
and it just bothered me that it had had that

678
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:17.280
impact on me. It wasn't like there was some fear,

679
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.360
but it wasn't like that. It was like that I

680
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:27.440
had had an encounter or something that it had triggered

681
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:35.159
a memory of something with an animal like that. And wow,

682
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.679
you know that that, Like I said, sometimes you have

683
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:47.760
these unconscious things that pop up. You'll get little snapshots

684
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:55.519
about what happened in the abduction or in some contact

685
00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:01.280
of some kind. But I don't know why my reaction

686
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:06.920
was so fierce to that picture in the National Geographic

687
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.400
because I've looked at gorolas before, had never ever, but

688
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.440
there was something about that face on that grilla that

689
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:20.679
triggered the reaction, in the very strong reaction. So I

690
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.280
don't know if it went back to the day when

691
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.840
I've seen them or some other event. I don't know.

692
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.360
We one time had we would go up and we

693
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.440
used the garden up above to plant tomatoes and various

694
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.599
pumpkins and things up there. And when my son was little,

695
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.440
we used to carry him in a little you know,

696
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.639
one of those carrying things you put children in, and

697
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.119
we had a strange things happened. We were up there

698
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.559
working in the garden, and you can say, well, it

699
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.039
just happens. But my wife and I both were working

700
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:55.440
up there. We had taken him up and we had

701
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.079
set him into the field, and we both went down

702
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:03.400
at the farmhouse and we turned to each other and said, well,

703
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:07.800
where's where's our sun, Where's where's Hans And we realized

704
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.400
we left them up in the garden. We can't to

705
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.880
this day, we can't figure out why we did that.

706
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.679
You know. We were so protective of him, and it

707
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.239
was like, how that happen, you know, And you can say, well,

708
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:24.639
that can happen, you know, But now it's just like

709
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.599
sometimes things happen, they are like bizarre, you know, like

710
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.000
off the wall, you know.

711
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.239
So one hundred percent did anyone else on that property

712
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.440
have any exa sightings as well?

713
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.039
The elderly The elderly people that lived there, they shared

714
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.239
the other side of the farmhouse, and we were friendly

715
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.639
with them, and but we never talked about it. I

716
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:53.199
never raised it with him because I was they were

717
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.960
upstanding characters in the community, and I didn't want other

718
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.440
people to know at that time what I had experienced.

719
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:06.440
I was afraid it would ruin my standing in the

720
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:11.079
community and career, so't I didn't discuss it with them.

721
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.239
But whether or not they were affected, I have no idea.

722
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.920
If they never talked about anything like that. They never

723
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:22.039
raised the you know, I never tried raising it with

724
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:26.559
them either. I never thought too. I never thought they

725
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:29.480
would be touched. I thought they were here from me

726
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:30.519
and my family.

727
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:32.800
Yeah, that's what I thought.

728
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:38.679
Not everybody is abducted, and that's the problem. Why why me?

729
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.719
That was that was the hardest part. In the beginning.

730
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:44.760
I was like, well, why did they do this? And

731
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:48.079
I was angry, like for many many years about this,

732
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.719
you know. And then as I got old, As I'm

733
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:55.480
older now, I think they gave me something. They definitely

734
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.679
opened my mind up. They definitely made me aware of things.

735
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.039
And from that point on I was really involved in

736
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:09.079
science and mathematics deeply. I just went off the scale

737
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.920
on stuff. And so I think some of that might

738
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.639
have been attributed to what happened. I do remember when

739
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:21.199
I was little. I do remember being and looking in

740
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:25.800
front of screens and seeing this. I remember looking out

741
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:31.239
a window from space back at Earth. I remember us

742
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:37.000
being taught things on these ships. There's little snapshots of

743
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:42.519
things that happened, that creep into it. Now, what was

744
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.760
I taught? What was shown? I was shown areas around

745
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.920
the world that had red spots on them, Africa, South America,

746
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.760
the Middle East in it. And you would probably say, well,

747
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.440
that's nothing new today, but back then it wasn't. The

748
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:03.079
threat to Kennedy was known at that time. The threat

749
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.519
to our country or to what the UFOs were doing,

750
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.360
you know, that was all new too, you know.

751
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.159
Okay, so they were showing you the places to be

752
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:14.920
aware of.

753
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.559
The and the other. The other thing people have to

754
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:20.559
understand is they can get in and out of time,

755
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.679
and they can stretch time elongated. They knew It's like

756
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.119
they knew the future in a way because they're there

757
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:33.800
at that point at that time. It's bizarre and people

758
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:37.000
will say, well, you I would do this. You don't

759
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:43.079
do nothing. You're not in control. They are in control.

760
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:48.199
You think you would do you wouldn't do. First of all,

761
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:52.960
you're scared out of your mind. You know this, This

762
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:58.000
is not normal. This isn't This isn't something that you

763
00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:59.000
go lightly into.

764
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.559
Let me tell you exactly. And I think that's a

765
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.400
common thread to what you just said, which is on

766
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.800
the big Foot side, A lot of people will say, Okay,

767
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.840
so you're out there in that area and you have

768
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.239
this experience, and why do you freak out and why

769
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.320
do you get out of there? Well, because you just

770
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.440
don't realize what it's like until you're there. It's hard

771
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:23.480
to control things. And then also you almost just said

772
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:25.119
you're for sard of.

773
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:27.480
You're not prepared, you know.

774
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.559
Be careful what you wish for. I don't know. Is

775
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.519
that said in the UFO field too.

776
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.840
Yeah, because a lot of people say, oh, I would

777
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:36.480
do this, and I would do that, and I'd get

778
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.559
a U some something to bring back. They ain't gonna happen.

779
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.760
Like I said, you're not in control. They control every minute,

780
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:51.840
every second, every there's no locks, there's no doors, there's

781
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.519
no way you can't hide from them. They want you.

782
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.280
They got you that, let me tell you that.

783
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.719
And talking about the alien specifically.

784
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.719
Yes, yeah. And as far as Bigfoot goes, like I said,

785
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.239
I wasn't prepared. I wasn't expecting to see it. Just

786
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.559
it's like, how do you prepare yourself for that? You know?

787
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:16.639
I don't. I don't think you can.

788
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.000
Today we might, we might be able to have a

789
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.920
better chance of that because so many people have experienced

790
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:29.440
it and come forward and explain what they have have experienced.

791
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:39.840
But back you know, if you decades, Nope, we weren't prepared,

792
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:42.480
were no way will be prepared.

793
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:49.880
Absolutely. Would you ever want to see Have you ever

794
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.599
had a desire to see a big foot again since

795
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:54.280
that time?

796
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.159
Well, that's a good question. I had never thought about that.

797
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:05.719
I assume that if I'm in the woods, it's a possibility.

798
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:10.599
I would assume because I had the experience one time,

799
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:14.320
I would assume that it possibly could happen again. And

800
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:18.239
it's just like this abduction. It wasn't over the first time,

801
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.199
it wasn't over the second time. And I know there

802
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:26.039
were multiple times when they came that I consciously don't

803
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:32.800
remember all of what happened. And they talk about the

804
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.760
astral plane and stuff like that, where they can dip

805
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.039
in and dip out, and that there may be something

806
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.320
to that. They're they're definitely inter dimensional of some kind.

807
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.559
They can pop in and pop out, apparently.

808
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.559
I'm talking about aliens. Yeah, And and some people even

809
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.400
think that that there's a there's a quite I mean,

810
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:57.239
I talk to people all over the big foot community,

811
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:01.079
but there there's a lot of people will bring up

812
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.760
the possibility of Bigfoot being able to go through different

813
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:10.360
dimensions or you know, sounds like something very similar to

814
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.880
what you just said. To be honest, so.

815
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:17.079
You would wonder why they would be here in this dimension.

816
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:21.440
Why they would if that's true, why would they choose Earth,

817
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:25.320
you know, and want to be here in this dimension

818
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.199
unless it's a good place to be compared to other places.

819
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:30.599
You know.

820
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.880
It, man, It is just as I've said a lot

821
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:40.079
of times on the show before, is one of I

822
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:42.519
feel that the Bigfoot is one of the last great

823
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.519
mysteries that we have in the world. You can't just

824
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.320
go onto a website and be like, give me all

825
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.760
the information, like we don't have it right. We have

826
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.119
a lot of theories, we have a lot of people

827
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.239
trying to figure it out, and so that is that's

828
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.440
what really draws it for me, draws me to it

829
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:02.159
one of the things. But you know, John, thank you

830
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:07.639
so much for sharing what your experiences were. And it

831
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.199
is one of the only times I think on the

832
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.280
show that I've been able to talk to you know,

833
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:20.000
an abductee, but also an individual that has experienced a

834
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.480
Bigfoot as well or multiple bigfoot in that in.

835
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.599
That situation, but yeah, it wasn't just one.

836
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.920
Yeah, absolutely. I want to make sure that you were

837
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.400
able to share everything that you would come to the

838
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:39.559
show to share today. Yep. Fantastic, fantastic. Well, thank you

839
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:42.920
so much for and if anything else ever comes up

840
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.719
in the future, feel free to You can always reach out,

841
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:48.039
send me an email. I'd love to hear from you again.

842
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.079
But you know, thank you so much for coming on

843
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:50.960
the show today, John.

844
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.079
All right, well, thank you for having me because I

845
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:58.000
think it, you know, makes everybody where they're here in Ohio,

846
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:02.880
they're here, they say they're here in western Pennsylvania too,

847
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.920
and especially the mountain in the upper forests, you know,

848
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:11.199
the forest area and and what is it south Forth

849
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.440
Lake Park? Is that how they pronounce.

850
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:18.280
That, oh souk Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

851
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:21.079
It's pretty prevalent there too. The site they say they

852
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.920
have you know, recently, I guess.

853
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.480
You know, so northeast Ohio. There's a lot going on

854
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.480
right now, and so that's not too far away from

855
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:35.679
that that Hammondsville area that we're talking about. But yeah,

856
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.000
keep us in the in the loop, John, and thank

857
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:41.599
you so much for coming on today. See you have

858
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.800
you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon,

859
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.800
and you think to yourself, Man, I would love to

860
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.360
get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well,

861
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:56.760
guess what This year you can. If this is interesting

862
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:01.039
to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer

863
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:05.239
Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty

864
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:09.440
twenty six. It's gonna be even better than the previous year's.

865
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.239
Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's

866
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:18.800
gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this. There may

867
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:22.719
be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just

868
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.719
say sometimes it's well, you just gotta be there. We'll

869
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.079
leave at that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the

870
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:34.239
Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason

871
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:39.320
Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this

872
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873
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874
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the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to

875
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876
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spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will

877
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:07.199
also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series,

878
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.960
which is searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in

879
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a lifetime deal. It's just trust it's going to be

880
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881
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885
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me that code so that you guys can can get

886
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a little a little help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla.

887
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:48.960
I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge

888
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.440
this year. We can talk about your encounter. Was able

889
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.760
to talk to so many people last year and the

890
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.960
year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going

891
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.840
to want to miss it, and I'll see you there.

892
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.440
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

893
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:08.679
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

894
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:12.480
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

895
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.360
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

896
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.639
a National Park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

897
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.639
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

898
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.960
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

899
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.679
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've

900
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.800
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

901
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:35.239
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

902
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who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

903
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.920
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

904
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.119
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

905
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:49.599
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

906
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:53.480
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

907
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:56.880
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

908
00:59:57.440 --> 00:59:59.800
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

909
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.400
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

910
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.199
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

911
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.599
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

912
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:15.440
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

913
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.760
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

914
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.599
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

915
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:29.559
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

916
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:33.800
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

917
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.679
you for listening to this episode of The Bigot Society Podcast.

918
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.199
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

919
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bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

920
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episode today early in ad free and members only episodes

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every week. Also, it's a place to connect with other

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people that are into the Bigfoot subject as much as

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you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot

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society until next time, keep your eyes open, trust your gut,

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and never stop asking what else might be out there?

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And see you in the woods.