“This Creature was so Terrifying - He could have Picked up my Car and Hit Me with It” / St. Clair County, Michigan

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Matthew tonight. Matthew is a listener that contacted me from Michigan, and he's got some really interesting things that have happened to him over the years. So how's it going tonight, Matthew?

1:00 Good? Good, awesome. How are things out there in Michigan right now? They're nice. It's still summertime. Oh yeah, I feel it's a good time of year for Iowa as well. Things are starting to get a little bit cooler, not overly cool yet, but it's a good time. I'm excited to talk to you. I've talked to a few gentlemen from Michigan so far, and man, people wouldn't think it, but Michigan has got some wild things going on. So I'm interested to hear your stories for sure. But Matthew, before you get started, is there anything else the listeners would want to know about about what it is you're into? Or yeah?

1:51 Actually really, I've just started twenty years ago this June, and then uh, it just escalated from there and then ever since I've been interested in researching it and just figuring out everything I can about these these guys. That's awesome. Is this for context for the listeners? Are we talking more about like the upper peninsula of Michigan or more you know, the lower part actually both? Yeah, it's been the up and then mid Michigan, the upper part of the lower and the thumb on Michigan. Well, all right, Matthew, I'd say, I say, we get into it. What do you think? Yeah, let's get started. A lot to go over, go for it, man, all right? So this all started two thousand and three, I was out, I was out camping, I was moving apartments, and then I was moving apartments. I had a couple of weeks because my landlord, he was remodeling the apartment I was going to move into.

3:14 So I'm like, all right, I'll move. I dropped a bunch of stuff off at my parents and then I kept all my basic stuff. So then I set camp up, and then I go to work all day and I come home. Well, I went and come home, I come to the woods, and then and then I just I go fishing on the state lands. This is this started in the Thumb of Michigan. And then so so after work, i'd pick up some water and then I just go sit by the river. And then i'd wait till it start getting dark, and I go, well, I go swimming and stuff in the river.

3:57 And then and then I go back to back to camping. When I started getting dark, and I go to sleep, and then I get up in the morning, I take my garbage out, and then I go to work, and then and then I just go back to the woods every day after work. So then about i'd say two weeks into this, Yeah, about two weeks I went fishing. I was relaxing. It was nice. It was so like every day after work. It was like a vacation. It was great. It was summertime. So then I get done fishing and swimming and stuff, and then I go back to my spot, I make I make my dinner, right, I lay down, I'm going to bed, and then there is this, well I keep track. I guess I'll go back a little bit. I kept track all the animals, all the animals in the area. I knew where the deer came through, when they came through, how many I knew the turkeys when they came through, and then what time I knew. I thought I knew everything going on around me.

5:15 So then while I was camping before dark, the deer would run across the road and come on the state land. So then so then well, I'm I'm laying there, my time, about to go to sleep, and then the time the deer come through, there is just this loud, long, drawn out screen, and then yeah, that they had raddled me pretty good. But then I eventually I went to sleep. It took a couple hours, and then it was weird. I couldn't make sense of it. I didn't know, like, was this somebody else out in was or what the hell is going on? But I was like it didn't sound totally human.

6:02 So so then after that what started happening is I go down to the river fishing after work, and then there'd be there'd be tree knocks, and then i'd end up one would come behind me because and there was a steep bank and it was it was it was like a twenty five foot bank, and then it was flat and then it was all it was all hardwood trees. So then as soon as I get down there fishing, there'd be a tree knock behind me about fifteen feet off the hill. It was closed. And then there would be there would be another tree knock across the river. And at first they just did one knock. So I'm like, I'm like, well there's something here. I can't do nothing. I mean, I'm literally surrounded. I can't see nothing. These guys, these guys would never let me see him. So then so then this would happen. I just I'd be scared, but I just keep fishing, doing my thing. So then after that, like so every time I wrapped up, this would happen.

7:23 This happened, This still happens today so so after the tree knots, I'd fish for like, yeah, I just finished fishing for like an hour or two. I do my thing, and then I go up and I check the trees. Every every time I checked the trees, I'd wait till I thought they'd move off, and then I checked the trees for march because I'm like, how are they doing this, Like like are they running up on me finding a stick and hitting the trees? And I could never find a mark on the trees. So I don't think these guys are using sticks on these tree knots. I think I heard I heard one story I think from your broadcast where the guy was saying he thinks their throats swell up and then they make that noise themselves. So I think I think it's something like that, because I checked these trees at least a dozen times and they were closed, so I had to be I had to be in the area and then treating us and see what I got. Oh and then so then after that, well I ended up staying like three months. Three months. We were just everything was fine. They just they tree knock once in a while, nothing major. I wouldn't hear nothing else. And then the one time, the one time I was real creaked out. I mean, these guys they

8:58 used, they used to make me terrified. And then that's a story all of its own. But then we'll get into that a little bit. But then this one time I was in the tent, I was scared. I could hear him, I could hear him. They were making noise. I don't know what they were doing. I was scared, but I was like, I didn't feel threatened at all. And then the one time I was going to bed, I'd seen something rub against the tent and I seen fur, but I didn't know if it was a raccoon or not. It was low. But then I was in there, but I was still looking. And then right before dark, I seen a finger touched the tent and then I touched it. It pushed it in a little bit, and then it slid to aside. So I think this was it was it was a juvenile And then yeah, that was I didn't sleep. I slept I think like twenty minutes that night. And then so then after all this, I just I started listening to podcasts. I started I started exploring all the areas.

10:13 Uh yeah, I just engrossed myself and all the information I can find information back then was a lot harder to get them now and then. So yeah, so then I ended up. I find tree structures, I found deer, and then the deer. Well, I sent you a picture. But what it doesn't show is every time I find the deer, there's three. There's always three deer carcasses in the pile. I think I think that they take them in an area and they're stacking them up, and then they're moving on to another area a short time later, and then they're just repeating the process they do. I think it's selected hunting. Basically, they won't use up all the resources in an area, they'll just use a partial and then they'll move on. They they basically keep nature balanced, is what is what it seems like. So then I got mad these guys, These guys would not let me see him. I spent I spent ten years looking ten years where I could. I'd set camp up and then I know these guys would be around me. They'd make noise and stuff. I've been able to I've took two people, yeah, two people with me that that they get scared.

11:48 They get really scared, like they'd be like, oh my gosh, did you hear that. I'd be like, I'd be like no, because I'm so I was to the point where I was used to it, like they'd make noise. But then the one year it was it had to be geez. Like three years later, I went down there fishing and then I heard I heard the one tree knock behind me, and then I heard him banging. It was really fast, like somebody was hitting a drum set. I'm like, man, what the heck. I'm like, what does this mean? This is crazy? So I started researching and researching, and I found out that when they knocked fast, these uh somebody said that it's it was where the family group was. You were close to the family group, so this was right across the river. So I'm like, I'm like, I got excited. I'm like, I'm going to see something this time.

12:50 So then so then I get back there. It was like two days after this happened. I figured it out, well, I thought I thought it figured it out, So then I started I knew I knew this area so well, like I spent months in there, like and then I was so I was walking. This is where it gets kind of weird. So I was walking and then and then I go through this little dense area and then I'm feeling weird. So then I hit I keep going through this dark area and then and then it opened up and and it was it was weird.

13:35 It opened up, it was light, it was all everything was flat, and they were like seven foot tall cat tails. They were they were all brown. You could tell it was all. It used to be all wet, and then it was all dried up. And I'm like, this is where the hill's supposed to be. This is where the hill is supposed to be, where the turkeys come down every morning, like because that was their routine. I'm like, and then I got real sick feelings, like I was like bent over. My mouth was getting on watery, like I was going to throw up. So I turned around and followed my footsteps and went back the exact way I came. I followed my footprints, I could see him, and then yeah, I think I walked through a portal. And then I've been researching that. I think Scott Carpenter has got he's got photographs of these things, and I think what happened was is the vegetation was thick.

14:39 So I couldn't even tell it was there. And and this is what I think's happening to the people that are disappearing, Like, well, this time, I think they opened it. I think these guys can open these portals and just walk through them. I think that's what happened. I think the family group walked through a portal and I followed them right through it. We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors, and then they made me feel sick, so then I ended up turning around and walking back. But I think these things are opening up. I don't think it's just them like. I think these things can open up when conditions are right. So I think that's what That's what a lot of these disappearances are. I think people are walking through these that they might just be open a minute, and then they walk through them and they close and they don't even realize what happened. So so I realize the further you go down the rabbit hole, the deeper it gets. Well, then, very interesting matth as you can guess. I'm probably gonna ask you a few questions real quick.

16:03 So the some area of Michigan you're saying, is this by like maybe a certain like wildlife area, or can you say, like a certain town name, or is it a region You're trying to keep a little bit you know, vague for a reason, or I kind of want to keep the the the group of these guys kind of hidden. So I'd say in the in the state along Black River up in the Thumb, and I would it's in Saint Clair County on the state Lands, and I mean the river just goes for miles like it's in there. And then I've witnessed I've witnessed five people running have encounters when I was there to witness it. So I mean, I'm hoping people speak up because I know it's not just me. Absolutely, So if listeners have encountered things in Saint Clair County, Michigan, you're saying, yeah, okay, you had mentioned, Yeah, there were some weird noises, some strange noises. Can you go into any more detail about what these noises were like that. You know, people that were with you would hear and kind of they would get concerned or you would hear, oh, yeah, just what was it? There was a good one last year

17:37 the U that it was It was at one Sasquatch I sent you the picture of this track that when I had my foot. Then the big guy he uh, he makes he makes this weird call. Now he started, he started two years ago, and so well, the story is, I was out there searching. I'm searching. I'm like, these guys come through at certain times of the year. I want to see what they're eating, what they're doing, like where they're crossing through, because these guys will they'll eat the clams. They'll eat the clams, and they're not like raccoons and stuff.

18:19 They'll set these clams on the river bank, but they'll stack them neatly, which is really weird. And then they'll be like two or three k clamps stack neatly, and then there'll be a big impression in the water. So so I know it was them and there won't be no raccoon tracks on a muddy bank. And then but anyways, I was searching, and then I didn't bring an extra pair of shoes at time, so I went in barefoot in the river because there's like little islands and stuff. So I was crotting through to the islands and sometimes the water's higher, so you're you're getting wet. And then I'll cross the river and all different spots and whatnot.

19:07 So then my feet are all the money. I'm like, yeah, the clams are there. And then this thing starts starts like it's weird. It was that their calls are They're all different. Each one has like their own voice like we do. And then this thing starts calling. It's like a bellows. It's like it's looking for a mate. It's it's like it's between a lion. It's it's like when a lion roars for a mate. How you hearing bellow? It sounds it's like that, but it sounds like half human. And then it'll be long and drawn out for a little bit, and then it'll pause, just like a lion, and then it'll stay quiet, and then I'll do it again. So I'm walking across this grass and then walking across the grass, and then I can put my feet in the water. I can get them clean, and then I can get my shoes back on, because like, like now I know they're in the area.

20:07 And then he starts calling across the river while I'm washing my feet, and then these kayakers are floating by, and the look on their face was amazing, Like he tried sitting. I seen the guy. It was a guy and a girl, and the guy tried sitting up in his kaya. He used his hands to pick himself up, but he couldn't see nothing. And then he ended up just going around the bend. But he was I could tell he was scared. Both of them were like it was. It was interesting. And then I didn't know what to do because these guys never made this noise, so I didn't know whether to say nothing or anything. So I didn't say nothing, like I didn't call back to this this thing or nothing. So I just ended up leaving a short time after that. I'm like, all right, they've been in the area, they're right there, like because the portal experience, I am not going where they're at, like like Sasquatch is scary enough, but I do not want to relive the portal the portal thing, because that was crazy. And then so then so then I had that same bellowing again. So so I finally I had a buddy give me a kayak. So I'm like, all right, cool, I'm

21:37 just gonna go out and I'm gonna explore. I'm gonna see how much ground I cover, how long it takes find a good campsite. I wasn't even squatching at all because I was trying to find new spots. I'm so where I could camp and be comfortable, spots with firewood and flat areas to put my tent up. So then I just had the girlfriend just dropped me off at the river. I'm like, you dropped me off. I got my GPS, I'll call you to pick me up tomorrow, sing like, I'm like, yeah, I gotta check this out because I can cover all kinds of ground. Because the brush is salt thick, you can't you can't cover too much, too much on foot, not like I've been wanting to cover.

22:27 So then this was and this was when was this? This was two months ago? No? This was, yeah, this was two months ago. So then because I try and go at least once a month in the summer every year, so I mean, I didn't realize how shallow this river was. So I bring my water shoes and then these rocks, these rocks are killing my feet. I freaking I spent like eight hours and half of it was walking on these rocks and these water shoes. My feet were destroyed.

23:07 They were like so it took I did. I paddled like eight hours. So so I'm going along the river and then I see a bridge. I'm like, all right, I'm going to cross a bridge. So I'm getting past this. It's gonna be dark in about an hour. I'm gonna pass this and then find the first spot I came to camp and I'm camping. So I'm going along. There's this there's this family set up. They had to have three or four kids because there was like two kids playing in the water. So then I paid. I talked to him, Hi, how are you doing. Yeah, I've been having a great time kayaking.

23:52 And then so I crossed them and like, my feet are so sore, i can hardly walk, like I'm I'm asked the point of exhaustion. So then i find this little sandbar, but it's like humps. I'm like, all right, I can't camp here. So then I go a little further. So I end up going about three quarters to a mile from this bridge across I went under. I'm like, okay, thank god, there's a spot. There's a nice flat spot. It's got a steep hill. It's like a it's like a wall like I'm used to. And then it's got a box elder tree going sideways up over up over this little area. I'm like, this is a cool little spot. So then so then I get out of the kayak and then I pulled the kayak up, I set it down and walk over and start looking around. And then I hear I hear a stomp, and then I hear a branch break across the river. I'm like, oh, great, im I know he's here. So then I'm like, well, I'm exhausted, I can't leave. So what I do then is uh, I'm like, I don't care. I'm setting camp up.

25:14 I'm tired. I mean, I've been so I've been dealing with these guys for twenty years. So I'm like the fear has finally totally gone. I was like, I didn't even care. And then so then I'm looking around this area. I'm grabbing the firewood, and I hear something something come up. So they're like flanking me. So one comes up on the hill. If I'm facing the bank, I'm standing on the sand, I'm facing the hill that's beside me. There's one coming up to my right, and there's one coming up to my left, and then the one to my left. There's a robin. There's a robin that's been a little tree right by where he's at, and this robin is losing his frigging mind. It was crazy. I've heard I've heard robbins going nuts because I grew up, grew up around these things, but I've never heard Robin make these noises. I don't know if he grabbed it or what. But then so then I'm like, I'm like, all right, guys, you've been doing this to me forever. So so I just get I just start getting camp set up.

26:26 And then after about five or ten minutes, I'm like, hey, because this robin is still going crazy. I'm like, hey, you gotta move, like, leave the robbin alone. This is ridiculous. So so then like two three minutes later, the robin settles down. He's moved. I don't know if he moved around me or he just took off or no idea. But then like I got my camp set up, and then so I went up on the hill. I had to go up and get some more firewoods. I didn't see nothing, So then I I threw the firewood down the hill to the bank where I was camping. So then I get a little fire and make some food. I laid down and then and then uh, like I just I do my thing. I go to bath, and then I hear this this bellowing noise again. But it's like it's like close to me, and it's it's I look at my watch, it's eleven thirty at night. This guy's bellowing not far maybe thirty four yards. So I'm I'm furious, like I'm exhausted, like I can't walk. I got all my ultra light high end camping gear like worth a lot of money, like I ain't leaving. So then he's bellowing. I can't sleep. So I

28:00 heard him do it like five times, and then I'm like, I'm like hey, and then he done it louder. So then so then I start getting up, and then he done it again, and so I went, hey, even louder. And then and then he done it louder. And then right now, I got one shoe on because I don't want to go up there barefoot, because my shoes are my feet are gonna get sandy, and then I'm gonna have to clean clean him up again before I get into ten. So I got one shoe on and then I'm like, he kept doing it, he got louder, and then I like the sixth time, he shot over straight across the river from me, and then he screamed ah me so freaking loud it was. It hurt my ears so bad. I couldn't move. I couldn't finish putting my oler's shoe on, so all I could do would sit there. It felt like my brain was rattling in my skull. So then he stopped, and right now, I'm just I'm absolutely furious myself. So I screamed at him to shut that f up. I popped my shoe on. I jumped out of the tent with my shoes, underwear and a head lamp, and then I put my head down. I clicked the lamp on. I look up and I don't see nothing. I'm like, all right, he took off or tide behind a tree or something,

29:33 but I think he's too big to hide behind a tree. So then I'm looking behind me and I don't see nothing, because I knew the other ones were behind me last time. And then from that point on it was it was silent all night, like like I just I got I was just trying to process what happened. So I went over, I started getting the fire going again. I sat by it for a minute and then I just I got to go on a good fire, and then I went I just went back to bed and had it out in the morning with no other issues.

30:15 And I mean, he screams, and I'm like, I'm like, there's a family sleeping in a tent probably three quarters of a mile away. There's houses, There's houses all along the back half all of the state land. Like I'm like, these people are hearing this stuff. There's no way they're not. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. So, Matthew, have you have you ever been able to bring an audio recorder with you when you've gone out? No, no audio recorders.

31:02 I thought about it, but I mean, so far all my research has been like I just I want to get a better understanding. Like I'm doing it for myself. I'm not doing it to prove they exist or how many there are. I'm just I'm trying to figure out how these things can live in the wild and survive with just using their hands, Like it's these things are amazing. And then so after that incident, I went back, like literally, I went back like a week later. I'm like, all right, let's see what happens this time. So I left out two apples and a fish, and then I woke up. I woke up the two apples were gone, and then they actually woke me up. They were arguing really loud. It was like the gibberish stuff and they were like yelling at each other. So that was that was weird. But they haven't been super vocal. It's just been the last two years. I don't understand why that is so correlating with all this, Like like these guys wouldn't I couldn't see him. I'm like, I gotta see him. I gotta see what these things are. So so I went out. I got a dual sport motorcycle.

32:36 I started buying all That's when I started buying all, like all the ultralight camping gear like because it was like ten years I ain't been able to see these guys, so so yeah, I'm back to that. And then so I'm like, well, I'm going to go to different areas and see what happens. And then luckily I started listening to the reports, to what people were saying and they were saying up in Lazerne, Michigan, at at Folly Swamp, They're like, if you want to see big foot, go there. I heard like three reports and then I heard like a hunter got chased out of there. So I'm like, all right, let's do it.

33:22 So then yeah, so this was this was back because this screen happened last month, a month or two ago. And then so like I'm trying to go back to correlate the story, but they're just there's so many it's insane. So the so I everybody's getting these reports, I'm like, all right, And this was really the best thing I ever done. I started. I was like, I'm going to believe these people, and I'm going to go out and check for myself, like like I'm just I mean, so what I did was I found recent reports and I found multiple and then I so I went there and that that was the that was the game changer.

34:12 That. Uh So, so I get my motorcycle. I go up there to assern I mean, I'm going on the trails. I get there, it's starting to get late. I'm getting I'm getting camp set up, like I'm just getting there. I'm getting camp set up, I'm like, it was total silence. I'm like, I'm like, this is perfect because I mean, this is what I'm looking for big foot. So I mean, this is exactly what I want because that's an indicator he's probably around. So what I did well, as I was setting up camp, this deer runs up probably probably forty yards for me. It's pan so I just I ain't moving. I'm like, it's panting. It's looking behind it. I'm like, all right, all right, he's something's chasing him, like and then it stopped. It wouldn't it would stay out where I can't see it.

35:20 I don't know what the heck's out there. I'm like, so I'm like, all right, I don't see nothing. It could be anything. So the deer takes off in this area to the behind me from the two it was on a two track, outs off a two track. It was behind me into the into the woods, and then so to the left is a swamp. So it ran over into the swamp and it was thick. It was just a real creepy, eerie one of them places. So I ended up. I ran out of water and I knew I knew the water was in the swamp. But when I was looking up on the maps, you couldn't tell it was this stick. So I'm like, well, I didn't have a choice. I had to go in there. I had to get water, so I had a water purifier, a water filtered thing.

36:15 So then I went. I went in there. It's bad, Like I'm almost losing my shoes. It's so bad. So I eventually get to this area where the it was just a big body of water. It was it was beautiful in there. After after everything opened up and it was all water. It was. It was nice. So then I fill up this water container. I get plenty of water for two days. So then so then I'm coming back and then I'm almost losing my shoes and I look over and I see this trail, this trail coming out of this this thick swampy area, and it's like it's Dirk to rest. Everything else it's moss, there's frew trees. I mean, I'm like, there could be something twelve feet for me in an orange jumpsuit. I wouldn't even know it was there.

37:07 I mean, it didn't even matter what color was there anything. So then so then I see this little dirt trail and then I see the deer tracks. I'm like, oh, this is where the deer came through earlier and got out of here. It took this trail, probably because it didn't want to think in all this the boggy stuff. So I'm like, all right, I'll follow these tracks. So I start following these tracks, and then you could tell it's just trotting along, nothing crazy. So then it goes to the opening where it crosses the two track, a little two track fan trail, and I'm looking down and there there are stop marks everywhere from this deer. There must have been i'd say fifty to seventy both prints in this one spot. And then there's these bushes. There's just two little bushes in front of me, and then the rest is all woods. So I'm like, I got all excited. I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna go on the other side of these bushes. I'm gonna find the tracks. I'm gonna find out what happened into this freaking deer. This is this is gonna be great. So so then I'm I'm looking down, I'm about to walk over, and then about twelve feet twelve feet I heard a stick break and then like this isn't there's nothing. It's just woods. It's just small.

38:40 It was like twelve twelve inched. I am their pines that were just poles, and there was no you could see a long ways. So I hear this stick break and then I freeze and then I look up and this thing is standing twelve feet for me in the open with nothing. There is nothing between us. This was I was scared. I was I was absolutely terrified. I was like, I'm well, I'm like, there's a good chance i can die right now. So if I'm gonna die, I'm gonna get a good look at this thing. So I'm standing there. He's got his arms to the side and his feet together and his heads down. I'm looking up. He's like eight feet at the top of the shoulders. And then I'm looking up in the sun's on him, and I got a squint because it was fur. His fur was shiny. It looked exactly like a bear, a bear fur, but you could it looked totally human. It was insane. So he so I'm looking and I'm squinting because the sun his first kind of shiny. I mean, he looked totally manicured. He was gorgeous, well, I don't know if it was a heater or her, honestly.

40:07 And then so I'm looking at the back muscles and on the up by his uh what his shoulder blades, and I mean, these back muscles are insane like like they're literally looks like dimpals through the fur like it because there's protr protruding out so far. And then so I looked down and then I see I see his his lower back muscles, and then those reminded me of a horse. It was just it was real thick, and it like rolled, it rolled it into the spine. And then and then I looked down at the feet, and then I looked at the hands. I mean it was he was so close I could see individual hairs. So so he's got his hand in the side. He's a color, so he's like covering in bare fur. He's a color of an orangutan. He's like reddish because I went to the zoo, I remember like two weeks after this. And then his hands, his hand was jet black. Everything his feet all that I could see everything was fur but his feet and then his hands. But when the fur came down where it looked like bear fur came down his arm, and then like the top of his hands before his knuckles, it was like real fuzzy. It was like real, it was like two inches. It

41:38 was sticking out like two inches and it was real fuzzy and thick, like this guy's made for cold weather, real cold weather. And then his feet, his feet were the same way. It was like fuzzy, but it was. And then his skin was jet black, and then under the finger nails it was it was it was just like it was just it wasn't black, but it was like a just a lighter color. And then and then I was looking at his hand and then he picks his hand up slowly because I think he's thinking, all right, I'm gonna scare of this guy out of here. He's gonna runs. I think that's what they do to manipulate us, some of these groups. Is they use well as they see as they're just going to run away. So so I'm like, no, no, I've been spending ten years trying to see one of these things. So he uh, he starts picking his hand up slowly to the side, like parallel to his shoulders, real slow, and he's letting his hand hang.

42:47 So I'm looking at his fingers in his hand and then he raises it up to where his arms parallel, and then it was well, it was level. And then he opened his hand and turned his palm to me, and then he turned his body to the right, and then he took he swung his arm and when he swung his arm, he took a big step. And what he was doing, he was he was walking around me to get back in the thick vegetation because I think they killed that deer and there was a group of them them on it. So when he swung to where he was sideways with me, I started looking down, like I wasn't making eye contact with this guy. So so when he turned to the right, I put my I started putting my head down and I started looking to the left, and then I just walked away and he he took in one step.

43:45 He was from the left side of me to the right side of me, and then he took one step and then and then he turned again and then he went back in and I just I turned and walked away. It was it was terrifying. So then I got back to camp, I'm like, it's almost dark because this is like a hundred yards from my tip I'm like, it's almost dark and like I was on a motorcycle. I'm like, well, well, day I did. I didn't sleep all night. All night, I got up at like three in the morning. I got cold.

44:28 I didn't bring enough gear. It got cold up there that night, and then I got out of there about ten ten the next morning. I was waiting for it to get warm enough so I could get out of there. I was. I was scared. I was terrified the whole time until I left. And then where do we got? Do you mind if I ask you, sorry, Matthew, do my if I ask you a quick question about your sighting, which I think is incredible. Yeah, I just I want to make sure that I get it in. Do you remember how many fingers were on the hand. Oh? Yeah, it was. It was five fingers. It was like ours. It was just a larger scale.

45:20 They were round. They were like thick too. They were like they were I was the hands were so big though. I was like this guy, he could have he could have put his hand on top of his head and his fingers would have wrapped around my head, could have picked me up. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I'm like, there there was nothing I could have done. Yeah, it was five fingers, five five toes. It was real clean. And then I've heard a lot of stories where the ads on the bottom are like lighter color. It wasn't like that. Everything was just black the skin Wise, that's so yeah, it's so interesting. You can feel free to continue, but man, that is wild Matthew. And then so actually that's when the nightmares started. I had nightmares for about a year after that. So getting through that whole process was interesting. Sorry to hear that, I think, yeah, I think I think well, I mean the point of me saying anything, it's pretty much to help other people that might be going through that same situation because I've gotten through it. I mean, it was he just he kept coming to me in a dream. It was a different one.

46:51 It was a dark one, but it was over and over. He'd come up to me and I try fighting them and he'd he'd attack or kill me or whatever, and I'd wake up all scared and it was it was bad. But eventually it all stops. When when he walked up to me, I put my head down and I said, teach me how you live. And then his eyes got bigd he just turned and walked away. And to this day, I'll still have I'll have dreams. So I'll be going through the woods and then he'll just he'll just be walking by like nothing's happened. It's amazing. I mean, you need to you gotta move past the fear.

47:37 You gotta deal with it, you gotta accept it. Let's go. That's where I'm at with that. Let me see. So now my kids, I got two kids, so i'd like to so I'm I've been. I've been taking them out to this area since they were little because the catfish, the catfishing used to be real good. So like when they were young, like I hook up a big catfishing, then I give them the pole. They'd be like, oh Dad, we can't we can't pull it there and it's too bad. And I'd hold the back of their shirts. So so like I introduced them to they wouldn't make no sounds. They don't make sounds when I go out there when my kids are with me or with theo's other males with me, they won't make any noises. So I try and get them used to that. And then about a month ago, like, I'm teaching them how to how to track animals and all that and what the tracks are. And then they finally got to see a print, a big foot print, which was awesome. They they they're like, oh my god, I can't believe how big it is. I'm like yeah. They're like, we should I want to follow it. I'm like, no, No,

49:14 the tracks that you found, how what was the distance between the track tracks? If you found a track that was part of a track way. They are all different. They are based on the size of the track and how they're moving. Because some of them are running, they're I think they're chasing gaming or something, and then some of them when they're walking. I don't know. I ain't found a lot of tracks where they've been together. Usually it's just one track. But I found all different sizes. I mean I found like, i'd say, four four if even tracks, I mean along the side of the river. And I mean this was years ago before I even accepted the fact that these things are out there. I'm like, who's bringing their kid out here barefoot walking through the brush on the side of the river. I mean it was a perfect indentation. So that was spaced out what was it that was like two feet? Those ones were like two feet and then the real big ones. I don't know, like I've seen the one I stopped, Like, I don't see a lot of tracks with these guys. It's very very interesting. You mentioned that you you're constantly,

50:51 you know, researching reports, looking at reports. Is there a certain place that you go to to find reports from the areas that your research in Michigan? No, I just try and get all of them. Oh so do people sorry, do people uh send their reports directly to that you? Are you going to a place like BFRO or No, I don't. I don't use BFR. Oh I've heard a lot of stories of them altering the stories. Sure, yeah, so they kind of I kind of because they all fit the same little because there's there's a lot of things that happen out there, and like they all can't fit in this little bubble, right it to clarify I have I've heard people say that same thing is what I should say, Matthew. So you're you're finding reports at different places on the Internet, et cetera. Things like that. Okay, interesting, like like like got Carpenter, Sure, I started watching Steven How To Hunt when he first started.

52:00 I watched his story he told about his grand dad. I think I was that first episode when he started. All that I remember that was. Yeah, I have a question about some certain spots in Michigan, just to see if it's anything that you've heard of. Have you ever heard of any sightings near Glenny, Michigan? Lenny, I think that's North Michigan. But I don't. I don't think so well. I actually I'm probably sure I have. But I mean, these they're all over the place, like like literally all over the place. And then these are the people that are talking about it, like I can't imagine. I can't imagine all the encounters where people aren't telling you whether or not. I think a lot of a lot of people don't say anything. I want to loop back to when you were talking about portals a while back. So I'm curious personally because I've heard a little bit, but I've never experienced. How is it that you know that you are entering into a portal? Usually you cannot see it. Correct, No, I couldn't see it. I didn't even know I went through it.

53:31 I knew I knew because the terrain it was like I was on a different planet, not a different planet. It was like I was somewhere else, Like it was all flat and there was supposed to be a steep hill. So it was like it was total confusion. It was like, this is not right, Like there's supposed to be a hill here, and it's all flat and swampy and there's cat tails. And then I got real sick feeling. I turned and I followed my footprints and then and then I fell. Fine, that's very interesting, kind of a out of left field question, but I have a feeling you might have experienced something since you've been doing this for at least twenty years. You said Michigan is not only known for Bigfoot, but it's also known for many dog man encounters as well. Have you ever encountered anything like that or heard anything to do with dog man?

54:40 Or do you just stick with bigfoot? I stick with Bigfoot, and then I've heard a lot of stories, and none of those stories are good. So I'm trusting what everybody's saying. So if I see a track, I'm out of there. I haven't seen no tracks like, so I where I go, I stick with Bigfoot reports. What I want to do, I want to keep exploring though, So I want to learn where these dog dog men reports are so I know not to go there. Right. I feel the same way with that topic. I'm like, I just crossed my fingers that the reports don't come into Iowa. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've heard either you're afraid or they make you afraid, Like I've heard no happy stories with that. Absolutely. Getting back to your visual sighting you had, did you get a feeling of or maybe from what you, let's say, rather your visual more that the creature was a human type creature or an ape type creature, or maybe something completely not the two. I think I think these things are completely not the two. I think they're their own. I think because I've seen other ones too in different areas, and they're all totally

56:15 different. They're different color, they're different sizes, they act different, their voices are different, they hunt different. Like, I think there's this big broad spectrum that we're not being told. I think these things have been around for hundreds of thousands of not millions of years, and there's just there's so many different species that have evolved. Like, I think there's things we don't even know. I think there's ones that are smart. Enough to where we don't even know they exist, because yeah, I mean, that's where I'm at with that, like and and evidence wise, I think there's there's plenty of evidence, like the Patterson Gimlin film, like why how are we going to get a better video? That's that's an amazing video, Like you can see you can see the muscle flexing. It all should have ended right there.

57:23 But I think because of their abilities, we're not We're not being told what they are. And there's such a variety of them, and they they're just they can't control them. These things can cloak. I've had them cloak on me. I've had them to all kinds of crazy stuff, Like I've had them cloak and I've been so close I could still smell them. It was. It had like a wild gamey smell. And I think with the I've never experienced the skunk smell. But I heard a report years ago where they did a biops young one and they said it had scent glands under its armpits and inside inside its legs and its thighs. It had like the same glance as like a skunk does. So these things they don't I don't think they naturally stink. They take good care of themselves. But I think we got like the Sasquatch, and then we got like the furry ones, and then we got the long hair like Neanderthal ones, and they might stink.

58:37 There's what I found is the more you learn them, the more there is to learn. Oh. Absolutely, I agree with that one hundred percent. It seems you I personally put out an episode about a certain location and five people contact me the next day saying, Hey, that happened to me twenty years ago, or it just happened to me. It's it's wild. The more you do, the more you look into it, the more there is to look into. I totally agree with that. And then when I go, I don't one thing I know they don't like, like I want to hit on, hit on people that want to search, people who get their own questions that might want to see something too, because it's hard. It's like ten twenty years ago, it was hard to find any information. Like you, you didn't want to tell anybody because people would just blow you off.

59:43 So what I do when I go too, is I don't I just take bear spray, I don't take a I mean, I'll take my phone and GPS, but I'll use it as little as possible. I know they hate phones. I don't know what it is about them. They hate them, and then they don't like guns, which is obvious because I'm sure they've had generations of issues ever since we've had guns. So I don't Yeah, I just used bear spray to take my knife. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I don't take a firearm, and I try not. I got chased out of the woods one time because I was just exploring and I was camping, and I was I was I had phone service, so I was watching YouTube videos and then I heard branches breaking and started getting closer and closer. I'm like, yeah, that was the one time I got out of there. So they were they were literally they're chasing you out of the woods, is what you're Yeah, Like he wasn't chasing me. They were. He was coming up slowly like I seen this guy too, and I he was one of them once. It was just gigantic. It was it was insane when I seen him, but I

1:01:17 seen him. I seen him. I was with my girlfriend. I couldn't even say nothing. I just looked at him, and he had a young one in front of him. He had his hand on it, and then they were just watching me. I was watching them. We were on a little hike and then I just had a drink of water and then we walked off. But I mean, this guy was so big. It was just terrifying, Like he could have picked up my car and hit me with it, like he was he was one of them. And then I thought that might have been him coming through the woods slowly at me. So I'm like, I ain't taking no chances. I'm out of here. But that's that's another story. Absolutely, we haven't even talked about the Upper Peninsula Michigan.

1:02:13 I think, right, this has all been stuff in the lower part. I believe, yeah, all over. Like what I do is I find is I find the most secluded areas with the water source, and then I go the hottest time of the year. So I'm like, if you're eight hundred pounds a thousand pounds, you're for cover, you're staying close to a water source. Wow, Yeah, that seems to work. And then you don't they'll be there. Yeah, yeah, they don't have buckets to all this water around, Like so rivers, bodies of water. You got a good chancey and then and then it's crazy. All these guys they're starting to pass like John Binner, Nigel Scott, Scott Carpenter was good. That was he was a great guy. Yeah, it's a pretty recent one. Uh yeah, his passing, which is unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah, still you how much time are we at? You got time for me to start the Upper Peninsula. Oh so I'll tell you this, Matthew, I've got all the time in the world. I more want to be respectful of your time.

1:03:38 So if you'd like to, if you have things to share about the Upper Peninsula Michigan, by all means, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. This was this, this was It was different than the other stories. I gotta what time is it? Oh my, I gotta be up at what time? At four thirty am? I'm on seven days right now? A word? But it's all right. I ain't been sleeping good anyway. I've been reliving everything, knowing I'm going to talk about it, like trying to piece it all together. So all right, I'll finish it up with this last one. So so my ex girlfriend, her her dad, and then their uncles and stuff, they all were bear hunters. So they went up to Newberry bear hunting on state land, different sections. They had state land and private property. They had a buddy. They had a little cottage that we stayed at. Well, it was a little cabin and it had four bunks. It was perfect. It's just a nice little up north place.

1:04:53 So then they would go set bait piles and stuff, like a week or two before. So then anyways, I went up there. I was I was like, oh, bars, they probably can't fee that bad. So I'm like, well i'll take I'll go with the bow. So I took a bow, I wore a Gillie suit, and then I have them I just haven't dropped me off and like, just dropped me off. Come back in a couple of hours and then and then yeah, we'll see how it goes. So then they dropped me off and then I'm just I don't know what it is. I'm like, I'm feeling terrified. I don't know what's going on. I don't see nothing. It's crazy. So then I still sit there and wait and this was this was freaking This was probably eighteen years ago, yeah, eighteen years ago. So then we we go up there, and then I'm hunting. I'm feeling freaked out, real bad. I don't know what it is. I'm just terrified and it's it's not it's not it's nothing new with the bears. I'm like, this is weird because like I've still learned about these guys, so it's hard to even comprehend they exist at first, Like you don't want to believe it. The stuff that happens,

1:06:26 well I didn't. I wanted to blow it off and be like, forget about it, but it didn't work out that way. And then uh so I'm real scared and nothing happens the first day, and then the second day I'm I'm sitting out there, I'm scared again, and then I hear this tree get knocked over. I'm like, all right, all right, the bears trying to scare me out of here. I'm like, well, maybe he'll come in, I'll see him. But then after this tree gets knocked over, I can hear the tree getting ripped apart. It was, it was insane, it was, it was terrifying. It was It's one of the scariest scariest I've ever been. So then so then after that we go back I tell him, I'm like, yeah, I heard a tree knocked over. So then so then I go again the next day, and people are allowed to bear hunt with dogs, so they got the GPS collars on them, and so then well they're dropping me off. So other hunters don't even know him out there. So I hear this dog hollering. I'm like, oh, he's a long ways away, like I could barely hear him. And then he gets closer and closer, and he's hollowing and going crazy. You can tell he's on something. He was a bagle. And

1:08:00 then he got closer, he got probably got forty yards from me, and then he just stopped. I couldn't hear nothing. I'm like, I'm like, wow, that's weird. And then and then like probably fifteen twenty minutes later, I heard the hunter coming out to get his dog and I heard him swearing and cussing. I don't know what happened, but I'm sure his dog. Something bad happened, something real bad. So then so then when was it a while after that? It's like, because that day I stayed the whole I stayed the whole day. I'm like, just dropped me off early on see what was going on. So then probably four hours later, a big bear sticks his head through through this brush and was looking He didn't even see me. He was looking off to the side, and then he was just gone. He was I never seen any animal in my life to this day moved that fast. So freaked this guy out, freaked this barrel.

1:09:11 I'm like, oh, that's crazy. I'm like, he was big. I was like, I probably wouldn't even I took a shot on him, like I was just I don't know. I didn't think i'd have to hit him perfect with an arrow. So then I'm like, all right, well that was the last day and I'm totally freaked out because this stuff happened. So I'm like I forgot my knife and we were heading back and it was on the way back and I'm like, I want my knife. So I'm like, hey, hey, my knife out there. We need to go back, and they've been stuff happening. Can you come out with the gun and just like walk behind me because in case anything happen. And they're like yeah, all right, So they stopped. He's folding the gun.

1:10:04 I'm like, I'm like, well, well, you got one in the chamber. He's like yeah. And then because at this point, I'm so scared, I'm convinced. I'm convinced I'm gonna die. At this point, I'm like, if I go back in these woods, I'm gonna die. So so he said, yeah, I got one in the chamber, and I'm like, I'm like, well, do you got your safety on? He's like, he just gave me a funny look, and then he looked at his dad, like what's wrong with this guy? So so then so then I don't know if he'd turned it off or not. So we start walking back in there, and then I'm just I'm terrified this time. And then something something was to my left. I could I just knew there was something there, and then you could hear movement and it so it took off, it ran. It's like I couldn't see anything. It was it.

1:11:02 This thing was totally invisible, and it literally it ran by me. And the only way I knew something was there, like eight eight to ten feet in the air. The tree limbs are getting you can see they're getting pushed out of the way. Whatever's going by, it's making its own path through the woods. And then and then it was gone. It was. It happened fast. It was this was like seconds. I think it was gone in like two three seconds. It was just crazy and fast. And then you could see it was crazy. I can still like it just happened an hour ago. I can see them limbs moving and flailing. And then I looked back at my girlfriend's dead and he's just standing there with his mouth wide open. He's not moving, He's he's terrified. I'm like, I'm like, are you all right? He's like yeah. He's like, I'm like, did you see it? He's like yeah, he's like he's like, I'm not going no further. I'm like, my n well because in my nice like right where this thing was running. So I'm like, all right, you will wait here. I've been freaked out the whole time. I'm still freaked out, but I'm getting my knife. So then I walk over and get my knife and then he and then he stays with inside of me, which was nice. And then we get out of there, and then

1:12:35 he was he was all shoke up after that, like we never we never talked about it at all. It was he was just one of the things he was. I know. I ended up staying there at his house, like I think like a few days or something. He didn't sleep for two days after that encounter. I know he didn't sleep at least two days. It was he was shook up bad. But yeah, yeah, that was that story. That is incredibly intense. When you're looking at like the top that the tree limbs like eight feet up and you can see him moving back and forth, did you see like a disturbance in the air around it or it was just like something could see it was being pushed it would you could tell it was being pushed out of the way and there was this like clearing it was making as it was going through. It was because like the trees were kind of tall, but so the lower part was open but up eight feet and stuff there was there was tree limbs and stuff. So it was you could see it was smacking them out of the way. It's like they were vibrating some of them. It was. It was scary. That's incredible.

1:14:02 Wow, it's not surprising that you know you are having issues sleeping sometimes. And I do want to thank you for for being able to share all this. I know that it's it sounds like it's been hard putting your mind back in those times, as you said, but I know it's very helpful to at least some of the listeners that are probably experiencing things that are similar to hear someone talking because they're researching this stuff, trying to figure it out, and they're listening your podcast. And some people are are trying to come to grips with what they experience themselves, and just to know that someone else experienced it, I know is helping them get through it. So just thank you for approaching me about this. Yeah, thanks for listening. I mean it's hard to find people to listen to this kind of stuff, absolutely different.

1:15:11 Do you have any final advice for let's say, people that might want to to go out and look for bigfoot themselves on the weekend. Yeah. The biggest thing I've learned, I don't go to where there's missing people, like like the up That's why I only had one experience. I'm not going back up there looking again because you never know what's going on. So I'm here in research the area you're you're thinking about going to, and if there's missing four on one things, probably don't mess with it. Yeah, like like the Appalachian Mountains, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. There's been people that big pharters that have disappeared, people going out looking for him and they don't know what happened. It's intense and uh yeah wow. Yeah. So if you go to places, I'm like, well, if there's no disappearance, it's like, at least you're gonna make it out of there. There's a good chance. That's true. I always be prepared. It sounds like you're you're a guy who is definitely more than prepared when you go out as well from what you were saying earlier. Yeah, honestly, I just it just

1:16:44 it never ends. I just want to go back out again, Like I mean, it's just the world's more interesting than what we know. I mean, there's there's more out there. Absolutely. Matthew, thank you again for reaching out and for chatting tonight. If listeners have had any things happen in these areas of Michigan that Matthew was talking about, or if you've had anything happening completely unrelated areas of Michigan, feel free to reach out. You can always email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. I'd love to start a back and forth with you about it. But thank you so much for chatting. Yeah, yeah, thank you, and keep me in the know.

1:17:40 It sounds like you're out there quite a bit. If you ever have anything else interesting happen, feel free to reach out Matthy All right, thank you, it was nice talking to You've got it. Have a great night, sir. Yep, but you're a big Foot Society article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot. You share their encounter in a safe and respected environment, but we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping.

1:18:32 I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening