“This Creature was so Terrifying - He could have Picked up my Car and Hit Me with It” / St. Clair County, Michigan

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I've taken far too much of your time

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so far, so let's get on
with the show, all right, Big

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Society. I've got the privilege of
talking to Matthew tonight. Matthew is a

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listener that contacted me from Michigan,
and he's got some really interesting things that

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have happened to him over the years. So how's it going tonight, Matthew?

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Good? Good, awesome. How
are things out there in Michigan right

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now? They're nice. It's still
summertime. Oh yeah, I feel it's

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a good time of year for Iowa
as well. Things are starting to get

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a little bit cooler, not overly
cool yet, but it's a good time.

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I'm excited to talk to you.
I've talked to a few gentlemen from

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Michigan so far, and man,
people wouldn't think it, but Michigan has

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got some wild things going on.
So I'm interested to hear your stories for

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sure. But Matthew, before you
get started, is there anything else the

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listeners would want to know about about
what it is you're into? Or yeah?

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Actually really, I've just started twenty
years ago this June, and then

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uh, it just escalated from there
and then ever since I've been interested in

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researching it and just figuring out everything
I can about these these guys. That's

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awesome. Is this for context for
the listeners? Are we talking more about

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like the upper peninsula of Michigan or
more you know, the lower part actually

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both? Yeah, it's been the
up and then mid Michigan, the upper

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part of the lower and the thumb
on Michigan. Well, all right,

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Matthew, I'd say, I say, we get into it. What do

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you think? Yeah, let's get
started. A lot to go over,

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go for it, man, all
right? So this all started two thousand

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and three, I was out,
I was out camping, I was moving

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apartments, and then I was moving
apartments. I had a couple of weeks

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because my landlord, he was remodeling
the apartment I was going to move into.

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So I'm like, all right,
I'll move. I dropped a bunch

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of stuff off at my parents and
then I kept all my basic stuff.

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So then I set camp up,
and then I go to work all day

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and I come home. Well,
I went and come home, I come

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to the woods, and then and
then I just I go fishing on the

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state lands. This is this started
in the Thumb of Michigan. And then

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so so after work, i'd pick
up some water and then I just go

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sit by the river. And then
i'd wait till it start getting dark,

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and I go, well, I
go swimming and stuff in the river.

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And then and then I go back
to back to camping. When I started

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getting dark, and I go to
sleep, and then I get up in

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the morning, I take my garbage
out, and then I go to work,

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and then and then I just go
back to the woods every day after

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work. So then about i'd say
two weeks into this, Yeah, about

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two weeks I went fishing. I
was relaxing. It was nice. It

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was so like every day after work. It was like a vacation. It

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was great. It was summertime.
So then I get done fishing and swimming

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and stuff, and then I go
back to my spot, I make I

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make my dinner, right, I
lay down, I'm going to bed,

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and then there is this, well
I keep track. I guess I'll go

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back a little bit. I kept
track all the animals, all the animals

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in the area. I knew where
the deer came through, when they came

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through, how many I knew the
turkeys when they came through, and then

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what time I knew. I thought
I knew everything going on around me.

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So then while I was camping before
dark, the deer would run across the

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road and come on the state land. So then so then well, I'm

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I'm laying there, my time,
about to go to sleep, and then

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the time the deer come through,
there is just this loud, long,

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drawn out screen, and then yeah, that they had raddled me pretty good.

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But then I eventually I went to
sleep. It took a couple hours,

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and then it was weird. I
couldn't make sense of it. I

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didn't know, like, was this
somebody else out in was or what the

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hell is going on? But I
was like it didn't sound totally human.

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So so then after that what started
happening is I go down to the river

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fishing after work, and then there'd
be there'd be tree knocks, and then

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i'd end up one would come behind
me because and there was a steep bank

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and it was it was it was
like a twenty five foot bank, and

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then it was flat and then it
was all it was all hardwood trees.

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So then as soon as I get
down there fishing, there'd be a tree

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knock behind me about fifteen feet off
the hill. It was closed. And

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then there would be there would be
another tree knock across the river. And

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at first they just did one knock. So I'm like, I'm like,

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well there's something here. I can't
do nothing. I mean, I'm literally

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surrounded. I can't see nothing.
These guys, these guys would never let

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me see him. So then so
then this would happen. I just I'd

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be scared, but I just keep
fishing, doing my thing. So then

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after that, like so every time
I wrapped up, this would happen.

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This happened, This still happens today
so so after the tree knots, I'd

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fish for like, yeah, I
just finished fishing for like an hour or

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two. I do my thing,
and then I go up and I check

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the trees. Every every time I
checked the trees, I'd wait till I

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thought they'd move off, and then
I checked the trees for march because I'm

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like, how are they doing this, Like like are they running up on

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me finding a stick and hitting the
trees? And I could never find a

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mark on the trees. So I
don't think these guys are using sticks on

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these tree knots. I think I
heard I heard one story I think from

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your broadcast where the guy was saying
he thinks their throats swell up and then

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they make that noise themselves. So
I think I think it's something like that,

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because I checked these trees at least
a dozen times and they were closed,

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so I had to be I had
to be in the area and then

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treating us and see what I got. Oh and then so then after that,

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well I ended up staying like three
months. Three months. We were

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just everything was fine. They just
they tree knock once in a while,

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nothing major. I wouldn't hear nothing
else. And then the one time,

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the one time I was real creaked
out. I mean, these guys they

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used, they used to make me
terrified. And then that's a story all

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of its own. But then we'll
get into that a little bit. But

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then this one time I was in
the tent, I was scared. I

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could hear him, I could hear
him. They were making noise. I

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don't know what they were doing.
I was scared, but I was like,

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I didn't feel threatened at all.
And then the one time I was

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going to bed, I'd seen something
rub against the tent and I seen fur,

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but I didn't know if it was
a raccoon or not. It was

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low. But then I was in
there, but I was still looking.

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And then right before dark, I
seen a finger touched the tent and then

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I touched it. It pushed it
in a little bit, and then it

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slid to aside. So I think
this was it was it was a juvenile

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And then yeah, that was I
didn't sleep. I slept I think like

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twenty minutes that night. And then
so then after all this, I just

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I started listening to podcasts. I
started I started exploring all the areas.

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Uh yeah, I just engrossed myself
and all the information I can find information

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back then was a lot harder to
get them now and then. So yeah,

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so then I ended up. I
find tree structures, I found deer,

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and then the deer. Well,
I sent you a picture. But

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what it doesn't show is every time
I find the deer, there's three.

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There's always three deer carcasses in the
pile. I think I think that they

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take them in an area and they're
stacking them up, and then they're moving

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on to another area a short time
later, and then they're just repeating the

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process they do. I think it's
selected hunting. Basically, they won't use

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up all the resources in an area, they'll just use a partial and then

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they'll move on. They they basically
keep nature balanced, is what is what

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it seems like. So then I
got mad these guys, These guys would

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not let me see him. I
spent I spent ten years looking ten years

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where I could. I'd set camp
up and then I know these guys would

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be around me. They'd make noise
and stuff. I've been able to I've

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took two people, yeah, two
people with me that that they get scared.

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They get really scared, like they'd
be like, oh my gosh,

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did you hear that. I'd be
like, I'd be like no, because

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I'm so I was to the point
where I was used to it, like

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they'd make noise. But then the
one year it was it had to be

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geez. Like three years later,
I went down there fishing and then I

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heard I heard the one tree knock
behind me, and then I heard him

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banging. It was really fast,
like somebody was hitting a drum set.

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I'm like, man, what the
heck. I'm like, what does this

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mean? This is crazy? So
I started researching and researching, and I

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found out that when they knocked fast, these uh somebody said that it's it

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was where the family group was.
You were close to the family group,

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so this was right across the river. So I'm like, I'm like,

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I got excited. I'm like,
I'm going to see something this time.

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So then so then I get back
there. It was like two days after

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this happened. I figured it out, well, I thought I thought it

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figured it out, So then I
started I knew I knew this area so

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well, like I spent months in
there, like and then I was so

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I was walking. This is where
it gets kind of weird. So I

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was walking and then and then I
go through this little dense area and then

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I'm feeling weird. So then I
hit I keep going through this dark area

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and then and then it opened up
and and it was it was weird.

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It opened up, it was light, it was all everything was flat,

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and they were like seven foot tall
cat tails. They were they were all

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brown. You could tell it was
all. It used to be all wet,

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and then it was all dried up. And I'm like, this is

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where the hill's supposed to be.
This is where the hill is supposed to

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be, where the turkeys come down
every morning, like because that was their

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routine. I'm like, and then
I got real sick feelings, like I

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was like bent over. My mouth
was getting on watery, like I was

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going to throw up. So I
turned around and followed my footsteps and went

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back the exact way I came.
I followed my footprints, I could see

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him, and then yeah, I
think I walked through a portal. And

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then I've been researching that. I
think Scott Carpenter has got he's got photographs

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of these things, and I think
what happened was is the vegetation was thick.

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So I couldn't even tell it was
there. And and this is what

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I think's happening to the people that
are disappearing, Like, well, this

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time, I think they opened it. I think these guys can open these

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portals and just walk through them.
I think that's what happened. I think

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the family group walked through a portal
and I followed them right through it.

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and then they made me feel sick, so then I ended up turning around

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and walking back. But I think
these things are opening up. I don't

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think it's just them like. I
think these things can open up when conditions

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are right. So I think that's
what That's what a lot of these disappearances

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are. I think people are walking
through these that they might just be open

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a minute, and then they walk
through them and they close and they don't

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even realize what happened. So so
I realize the further you go down the

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rabbit hole, the deeper it gets. Well, then, very interesting matth

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as you can guess. I'm probably
gonna ask you a few questions real quick.

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So the some area of Michigan you're
saying, is this by like maybe

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a certain like wildlife area, or
can you say, like a certain town

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name, or is it a region
You're trying to keep a little bit you

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know, vague for a reason,
or I kind of want to keep the

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the the group of these guys kind
of hidden. So I'd say in the

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in the state along Black River up
in the Thumb, and I would it's

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in Saint Clair County on the state
Lands, and I mean the river just

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goes for miles like it's in there. And then I've witnessed I've witnessed five

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people running have encounters when I was
there to witness it. So I mean,

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I'm hoping people speak up because I
know it's not just me. Absolutely,

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So if listeners have encountered things in
Saint Clair County, Michigan, you're

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saying, yeah, okay, you
had mentioned, Yeah, there were some

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weird noises, some strange noises.
Can you go into any more detail about

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what these noises were like that.
You know, people that were with you

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would hear and kind of they would
get concerned or you would hear, oh,

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yeah, just what was it?
There was a good one last year

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the U that it was It was
at one Sasquatch I sent you the picture

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of this track that when I had
my foot. Then the big guy he

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uh, he makes he makes this
weird call. Now he started, he

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started two years ago, and so
well, the story is, I was

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out there searching. I'm searching.
I'm like, these guys come through at

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certain times of the year. I
want to see what they're eating, what

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they're doing, like where they're crossing
through, because these guys will they'll eat

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the clams. They'll eat the clams, and they're not like raccoons and stuff.

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They'll set these clams on the river
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which is really weird. And then
they'll be like two or three k

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clamps stack neatly, and then there'll
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So so I know it was them
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a muddy bank. And then but
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I didn't bring an extra pair of
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barefoot in the river because there's like
little islands and stuff. So I was

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crotting through to the islands and sometimes
the water's higher, so you're you're getting

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wet. And then I'll cross the
river and all different spots and whatnot.

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So then my feet are all the
money. I'm like, yeah, the

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clams are there. And then this
thing starts starts like it's weird. It

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was that their calls are They're all
different. Each one has like their own

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voice like we do. And then
this thing starts calling. It's like a

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bellows. It's like it's looking for
a mate. It's it's like it's between

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a lion. It's it's like when
a lion roars for a mate. How

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you hearing bellow? It sounds it's
like that, but it sounds like half

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human. And then it'll be long
and drawn out for a little bit,

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and then it'll pause, just like
a lion, and then it'll stay quiet,

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and then I'll do it again.
So I'm walking across this grass and

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then walking across the grass, and
then I can put my feet in the

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water. I can get them clean, and then I can get my shoes

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back on, because like, like
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And then he starts calling across the
river while I'm washing my feet, and

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then these kayakers are floating by,
and the look on their face was amazing,

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Like he tried sitting. I seen
the guy. It was a guy

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and a girl, and the guy
tried sitting up in his kaya. He

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used his hands to pick himself up, but he couldn't see nothing. And

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then he ended up just going around
the bend. But he was I could

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tell he was scared. Both of
them were like it was. It was

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interesting. And then I didn't know
what to do because these guys never made

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this noise, so I didn't know
whether to say nothing or anything. So

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I didn't say nothing, like I
didn't call back to this this thing or

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nothing. So I just ended up
leaving a short time after that. I'm

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like, all right, they've been
in the area, they're right there,

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like because the portal experience, I
am not going where they're at, like

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like Sasquatch is scary enough, but
I do not want to relive the portal

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the portal thing, because that was
crazy. And then so then so then

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I had that same bellowing again.
So so I finally I had a buddy

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give me a kayak. So I'm
like, all right, cool, I'm

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just gonna go out and I'm gonna
explore. I'm gonna see how much ground

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I cover, how long it takes
find a good campsite. I wasn't even

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squatching at all because I was trying
to find new spots. I'm so where

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I could camp and be comfortable,
spots with firewood and flat areas to put

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my tent up. So then I
just had the girlfriend just dropped me off

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at the river. I'm like,
you dropped me off. I got my

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GPS, I'll call you to pick
me up tomorrow, sing like, I'm

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like, yeah, I gotta check
this out because I can cover all kinds

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of ground. Because the brush is
salt thick, you can't you can't cover

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too much, too much on foot, not like I've been wanting to cover.

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So then this was and this was
when was this? This was two

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months ago? No? This was, yeah, this was two months ago.

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So then because I try and go
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summer every year, so I mean, I didn't realize how shallow this river

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was. So I bring my water
shoes and then these rocks, these rocks

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are killing my feet. I freaking
I spent like eight hours and half of

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it was walking on these rocks and
these water shoes. My feet were destroyed.

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They were like so it took I
did. I paddled like eight hours.

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So so I'm going along the river
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I'm like, all right, I'm
going to cross a bridge. So I'm

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getting past this. It's gonna be
dark in about an hour. I'm gonna

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pass this and then find the first
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So I'm going along. There's this
there's this family set up. They

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had to have three or four kids
because there was like two kids playing in

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the water. So then I paid. I talked to him, Hi,

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how are you doing. Yeah,
I've been having a great time kayaking.

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And then so I crossed them and
like, my feet are so sore,

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i can hardly walk, like I'm
I'm asked the point of exhaustion. So

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then i find this little sandbar,
but it's like humps. I'm like,

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all right, I can't camp here. So then I go a little further.

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So I end up going about three
quarters to a mile from this bridge

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across I went under. I'm like, okay, thank god, there's a

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spot. There's a nice flat spot. It's got a steep hill. It's

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like a it's like a wall like
I'm used to. And then it's got

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a box elder tree going sideways up
over up over this little area. I'm

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like, this is a cool little
spot. So then so then I get

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out of the kayak and then I
pulled the kayak up, I set it

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down and walk over and start looking
around. And then I hear I hear

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a stomp, and then I hear
a branch break across the river. I'm

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like, oh, great, im
I know he's here. So then I'm

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like, well, I'm exhausted,
I can't leave. So what I do

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then is uh, I'm like,
I don't care. I'm setting camp up.

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I'm tired. I mean, I've
been so I've been dealing with these

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guys for twenty years. So I'm
like the fear has finally totally gone.

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I was like, I didn't even
care. And then so then I'm looking

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around this area. I'm grabbing the
firewood, and I hear something something come

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up. So they're like flanking me. So one comes up on the hill.

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If I'm facing the bank, I'm
standing on the sand, I'm facing

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the hill that's beside me. There's
one coming up to my right, and

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there's one coming up to my left, and then the one to my left.

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There's a robin. There's a robin
that's been a little tree right by

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where he's at, and this robin
is losing his frigging mind. It was

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crazy. I've heard I've heard robbins
going nuts because I grew up, grew

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up around these things, but I've
never heard Robin make these noises. I

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don't know if he grabbed it or
what. But then so then I'm like,

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I'm like, all right, guys, you've been doing this to me

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forever. So so I just get
I just start getting camp set up.

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And then after about five or ten
minutes, I'm like, hey, because

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this robin is still going crazy.
I'm like, hey, you gotta move,

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like, leave the robbin alone.
This is ridiculous. So so then

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like two three minutes later, the
robin settles down. He's moved. I

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don't know if he moved around me
or he just took off or no idea.

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But then like I got my camp
set up, and then so I

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went up on the hill. I
had to go up and get some more

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firewoods. I didn't see nothing,
So then I I threw the firewood down

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the hill to the bank where I
was camping. So then I get a

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little fire and make some food.
I laid down and then and then uh,

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like I just I do my thing. I go to bath, and

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then I hear this this bellowing noise
again. But it's like it's like close

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to me, and it's it's I
look at my watch, it's eleven thirty

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at night. This guy's bellowing not
far maybe thirty four yards. So I'm

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I'm furious, like I'm exhausted,
like I can't walk. I got all

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my ultra light high end camping gear
like worth a lot of money, like

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I ain't leaving. So then he's
bellowing. I can't sleep. So I

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heard him do it like five times, and then I'm like, I'm like

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hey, and then he done it
louder. So then so then I start

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getting up, and then he done
it again, and so I went,

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hey, even louder. And then
and then he done it louder. And

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then right now, I got one
shoe on because I don't want to go

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up there barefoot, because my shoes
are my feet are gonna get sandy,

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and then I'm gonna have to clean
clean him up again before I get into

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ten. So I got one shoe
on and then I'm like, he kept

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doing it, he got louder,
and then I like the sixth time,

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he shot over straight across the river
from me, and then he screamed ah

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me so freaking loud it was.
It hurt my ears so bad. I

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couldn't move. I couldn't finish putting
my oler's shoe on, so all I

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could do would sit there. It
felt like my brain was rattling in my

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skull. So then he stopped,
and right now, I'm just I'm absolutely

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furious myself. So I screamed at
him to shut that f up. I

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popped my shoe on. I jumped
out of the tent with my shoes,

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underwear and a head lamp, and
then I put my head down. I

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clicked the lamp on. I look
up and I don't see nothing. I'm

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like, all right, he took
off or tide behind a tree or something,

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but I think he's too big to
hide behind a tree. So then

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I'm looking behind me and I don't
see nothing, because I knew the other

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ones were behind me last time.
And then from that point on it was

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it was silent all night, like
like I just I got I was just

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trying to process what happened. So
I went over, I started getting the

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fire going again. I sat by
it for a minute and then I just

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I got to go on a good
fire, and then I went I just

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went back to bed and had it
out in the morning with no other issues.

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And I mean, he screams,
and I'm like, I'm like,

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there's a family sleeping in a tent
probably three quarters of a mile away.

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There's houses, There's houses all along
the back half all of the state land.

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Like I'm like, these people are
hearing this stuff. There's no way

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they're not. We'll be back with
more Bigfoot Society after these words from our

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sponsors. So, Matthew, have
you have you ever been able to bring

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an audio recorder with you when you've
gone out? No, no audio recorders.

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I thought about it, but I
mean, so far all my research

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has been like I just I want
to get a better understanding. Like I'm

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doing it for myself. I'm not
doing it to prove they exist or how

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many there are. I'm just I'm
trying to figure out how these things can

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live in the wild and survive with
just using their hands, Like it's these

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things are amazing. And then so
after that incident, I went back,

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like literally, I went back like
a week later. I'm like, all

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right, let's see what happens this
time. So I left out two apples

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and a fish, and then I
woke up. I woke up the two

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apples were gone, and then they
actually woke me up. They were arguing

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really loud. It was like the
gibberish stuff and they were like yelling at

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each other. So that was that
was weird. But they haven't been super

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vocal. It's just been the last
two years. I don't understand why that

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is so correlating with all this,
Like like these guys wouldn't I couldn't see

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him. I'm like, I gotta
see him. I gotta see what these

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things are. So so I went
out. I got a dual sport motorcycle.

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I started buying all That's when I
started buying all, like all the

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ultralight camping gear like because it was
like ten years I ain't been able to

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see these guys, so so yeah, I'm back to that. And then

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so I'm like, well, I'm
going to go to different areas and see

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what happens. And then luckily I
started listening to the reports, to what

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people were saying and they were saying
up in Lazerne, Michigan, at at

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Folly Swamp, They're like, if
you want to see big foot, go

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there. I heard like three reports
and then I heard like a hunter got

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chased out of there. So I'm
like, all right, let's do it.

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So then yeah, so this was
this was back because this screen happened

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last month, a month or two
ago. And then so like I'm trying

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to go back to correlate the story, but they're just there's so many it's

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insane. So the so I everybody's
getting these reports, I'm like, all

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right, And this was really the
best thing I ever done. I started.

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I was like, I'm going to
believe these people, and I'm going

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to go out and check for myself, like like I'm just I mean,

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so what I did was I found
recent reports and I found multiple and then

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I so I went there and that
that was the that was the game changer.

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That. Uh So, so I
get my motorcycle. I go up

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there to assern I mean, I'm
going on the trails. I get there,

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it's starting to get late. I'm
getting I'm getting camp set up,

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like I'm just getting there. I'm
getting camp set up, I'm like,

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it was total silence. I'm like, I'm like, this is perfect because

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I mean, this is what I'm
looking for big foot. So I mean,

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this is exactly what I want because
that's an indicator he's probably around.

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So what I did well, as
I was setting up camp, this deer

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runs up probably probably forty yards for
me. It's pan so I just I

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ain't moving. I'm like, it's
panting. It's looking behind it. I'm

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like, all right, all right, he's something's chasing him, like and

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then it stopped. It wouldn't it
would stay out where I can't see it.

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I don't know what the heck's out
there. I'm like, so I'm

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like, all right, I don't
see nothing. It could be anything.

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So the deer takes off in this
area to the behind me from the two

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it was on a two track,
outs off a two track. It was

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behind me into the into the woods, and then so to the left is

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a swamp. So it ran over
into the swamp and it was thick.

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It was just a real creepy,
eerie one of them places. So I

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ended up. I ran out of
water and I knew I knew the water

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was in the swamp. But when
I was looking up on the maps,

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you couldn't tell it was this stick. So I'm like, well, I

407
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.639
didn't have a choice. I had
to go in there. I had to

408
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:14.679
get water, so I had a
water purifier, a water filtered thing.

409
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.880
So then I went. I went
in there. It's bad, Like I'm

410
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.559
almost losing my shoes. It's so
bad. So I eventually get to this

411
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.159
area where the it was just a
big body of water. It was it

412
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.719
was beautiful in there. After after
everything opened up and it was all water.

413
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.719
It was. It was nice.
So then I fill up this water

414
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:44.679
container. I get plenty of water
for two days. So then so then

415
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.719
I'm coming back and then I'm almost
losing my shoes and I look over and

416
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:54.119
I see this trail, this trail
coming out of this this thick swampy area,

417
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:59.639
and it's like it's Dirk to rest. Everything else it's moss, there's

418
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:05.440
frew trees. I mean, I'm
like, there could be something twelve feet

419
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.880
for me in an orange jumpsuit.
I wouldn't even know it was there.

420
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.800
I mean, it didn't even matter
what color was there anything. So then

421
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.039
so then I see this little dirt
trail and then I see the deer tracks.

422
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.599
I'm like, oh, this is
where the deer came through earlier and

423
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.440
got out of here. It took
this trail, probably because it didn't want

424
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.440
to think in all this the boggy
stuff. So I'm like, all right,

425
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:35.840
I'll follow these tracks. So I
start following these tracks, and then

426
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.599
you could tell it's just trotting along, nothing crazy. So then it goes

427
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.639
to the opening where it crosses the
two track, a little two track fan

428
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:52.599
trail, and I'm looking down and
there there are stop marks everywhere from this

429
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.880
deer. There must have been i'd
say fifty to seventy both prints in this

430
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:04.920
one spot. And then there's these
bushes. There's just two little bushes in

431
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.320
front of me, and then the
rest is all woods. So I'm like,

432
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.880
I got all excited. I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna go

433
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:15.159
on the other side of these bushes. I'm gonna find the tracks. I'm

434
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.360
gonna find out what happened into this
freaking deer. This is this is gonna

435
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:25.599
be great. So so then I'm
I'm looking down, I'm about to walk

436
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:34.960
over, and then about twelve feet
twelve feet I heard a stick break and

437
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.400
then like this isn't there's nothing.
It's just woods. It's just small.

438
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:45.320
It was like twelve twelve inched.
I am their pines that were just poles,

439
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.840
and there was no you could see
a long ways. So I hear

440
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:55.880
this stick break and then I freeze
and then I look up and this thing

441
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:02.880
is standing twelve feet for me in
the open with nothing. There is nothing

442
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:08.599
between us. This was I was
scared. I was I was absolutely terrified.

443
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:14.920
I was like, I'm well,
I'm like, there's a good chance

444
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.559
i can die right now. So
if I'm gonna die, I'm gonna get

445
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.800
a good look at this thing.
So I'm standing there. He's got his

446
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:28.039
arms to the side and his feet
together and his heads down. I'm looking

447
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:32.119
up. He's like eight feet at
the top of the shoulders. And then

448
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.639
I'm looking up in the sun's on
him, and I got a squint because

449
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.760
it was fur. His fur was
shiny. It looked exactly like a bear,

450
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:50.159
a bear fur, but you could
it looked totally human. It was

451
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:57.599
insane. So he so I'm looking
and I'm squinting because the sun his first

452
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:01.840
kind of shiny. I mean,
he looked totally manicured. He was gorgeous,

453
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.280
well, I don't know if it
was a heater or her, honestly.

454
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:14.199
And then so I'm looking at the
back muscles and on the up by

455
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:19.519
his uh what his shoulder blades,
and I mean, these back muscles are

456
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:25.519
insane like like they're literally looks like
dimpals through the fur like it because there's

457
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:30.840
protr protruding out so far. And
then so I looked down and then I

458
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:37.320
see I see his his lower back
muscles, and then those reminded me of

459
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.119
a horse. It was just it
was real thick, and it like rolled,

460
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.880
it rolled it into the spine.
And then and then I looked down

461
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.480
at the feet, and then I
looked at the hands. I mean it

462
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:59.440
was he was so close I could
see individual hairs. So so he's got

463
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.400
his hand in the side. He's
a color, so he's like covering in

464
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.719
bare fur. He's a color of
an orangutan. He's like reddish because I

465
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:13.320
went to the zoo, I remember
like two weeks after this. And then

466
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:19.360
his hands, his hand was jet
black. Everything his feet all that I

467
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:24.360
could see everything was fur but his
feet and then his hands. But when

468
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.519
the fur came down where it looked
like bear fur came down his arm,

469
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.920
and then like the top of his
hands before his knuckles, it was like

470
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:38.599
real fuzzy. It was like real, it was like two inches. It

471
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.480
was sticking out like two inches and
it was real fuzzy and thick, like

472
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.559
this guy's made for cold weather,
real cold weather. And then his feet,

473
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.079
his feet were the same way.
It was like fuzzy, but it

474
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.039
was. And then his skin was
jet black, and then under the finger

475
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:02.280
nails it was it was it was
just like it was just it wasn't black,

476
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:08.239
but it was like a just a
lighter color. And then and then

477
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:13.719
I was looking at his hand and
then he picks his hand up slowly because

478
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.880
I think he's thinking, all right, I'm gonna scare of this guy out

479
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.960
of here. He's gonna runs.
I think that's what they do to manipulate

480
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.760
us, some of these groups.
Is they use well as they see as

481
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:30.320
they're just going to run away.
So so I'm like, no, no,

482
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:37.239
I've been spending ten years trying to
see one of these things. So

483
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:42.760
he uh, he starts picking his
hand up slowly to the side, like

484
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.920
parallel to his shoulders, real slow, and he's letting his hand hang.

485
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:52.559
So I'm looking at his fingers in
his hand and then he raises it up

486
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:58.719
to where his arms parallel, and
then it was well, it was level.

487
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.880
And then he opened his hand and
turned his palm to me, and

488
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.199
then he turned his body to the
right, and then he took he swung

489
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.039
his arm and when he swung his
arm, he took a big step.

490
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.039
And what he was doing, he
was he was walking around me to get

491
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.239
back in the thick vegetation because I
think they killed that deer and there was

492
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:27.239
a group of them them on it. So when he swung to where he

493
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.320
was sideways with me, I started
looking down, like I wasn't making eye

494
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:35.639
contact with this guy. So so
when he turned to the right, I

495
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.960
put my I started putting my head
down and I started looking to the left,

496
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:45.280
and then I just walked away and
he he took in one step.

497
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.039
He was from the left side of
me to the right side of me,

498
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.159
and then he took one step and
then and then he turned again and then

499
00:43:54.199 --> 00:44:00.440
he went back in and I just
I turned and walked away. It was

500
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:07.880
it was terrifying. So then I
got back to camp, I'm like,

501
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:15.519
it's almost dark because this is like
a hundred yards from my tip I'm like,

502
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:20.280
it's almost dark and like I was
on a motorcycle. I'm like,

503
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.719
well, well, day I did. I didn't sleep all night. All

504
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.440
night, I got up at like
three in the morning. I got cold.

505
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.400
I didn't bring enough gear. It
got cold up there that night,

506
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:38.000
and then I got out of there
about ten ten the next morning. I

507
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.360
was waiting for it to get warm
enough so I could get out of there.

508
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.320
I was. I was scared.
I was terrified the whole time until

509
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:57.719
I left. And then where do
we got? Do you mind if I

510
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.880
ask you, sorry, Matthew,
do my if I ask you a quick

511
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.920
question about your sighting, which I
think is incredible. Yeah, I just

512
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:10.280
I want to make sure that I
get it in. Do you remember how

513
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.159
many fingers were on the hand.
Oh? Yeah, it was. It

514
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.800
was five fingers. It was like
ours. It was just a larger scale.

515
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:25.320
They were round. They were like
thick too. They were like they

516
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.239
were I was the hands were so
big though. I was like this guy,

517
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.400
he could have he could have put
his hand on top of his head

518
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.599
and his fingers would have wrapped around
my head, could have picked me up.

519
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:43.039
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520
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.639
I'm like, there there was nothing
I could have done. Yeah, it

521
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:58.039
was five fingers, five five toes. It was real clean. And then

522
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.400
I've heard a lot of stories where
the ads on the bottom are like lighter

523
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.320
color. It wasn't like that.
Everything was just black the skin Wise,

524
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.960
that's so yeah, it's so interesting. You can feel free to continue,

525
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:21.079
but man, that is wild Matthew. And then so actually that's when the

526
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:30.559
nightmares started. I had nightmares for
about a year after that. So getting

527
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.880
through that whole process was interesting.
Sorry to hear that, I think,

528
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:38.039
yeah, I think I think well, I mean the point of me saying

529
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.960
anything, it's pretty much to help
other people that might be going through that

530
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:47.320
same situation because I've gotten through it. I mean, it was he just

531
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:51.480
he kept coming to me in a
dream. It was a different one.

532
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.119
It was a dark one, but
it was over and over. He'd come

533
00:46:53.199 --> 00:47:00.960
up to me and I try fighting
them and he'd he'd attack or kill me

534
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.880
or whatever, and I'd wake up
all scared and it was it was bad.

535
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.920
But eventually it all stops. When
when he walked up to me,

536
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.639
I put my head down and I
said, teach me how you live.

537
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:22.039
And then his eyes got bigd he
just turned and walked away. And to

538
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.360
this day, I'll still have I'll
have dreams. So I'll be going through

539
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:30.119
the woods and then he'll just he'll
just be walking by like nothing's happened.

540
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:37.199
It's amazing. I mean, you
need to you gotta move past the fear.

541
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:45.440
You gotta deal with it, you
gotta accept it. Let's go.

542
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:55.360
That's where I'm at with that.
Let me see. So now my kids,

543
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.599
I got two kids, so i'd
like to so I'm I've been.

544
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:07.039
I've been taking them out to this
area since they were little because the catfish,

545
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:12.159
the catfishing used to be real good. So like when they were young,

546
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.760
like I hook up a big catfishing, then I give them the pole.

547
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.519
They'd be like, oh Dad,
we can't we can't pull it there

548
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.360
and it's too bad. And I'd
hold the back of their shirts. So

549
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:30.119
so like I introduced them to they
wouldn't make no sounds. They don't make

550
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:36.199
sounds when I go out there when
my kids are with me or with theo's

551
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:43.480
other males with me, they won't
make any noises. So I try and

552
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.840
get them used to that. And
then about a month ago, like,

553
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:51.159
I'm teaching them how to how to
track animals and all that and what the

554
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:55.679
tracks are. And then they finally
got to see a print, a big

555
00:48:55.719 --> 00:49:00.920
foot print, which was awesome.
They they they're like, oh my god,

556
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.480
I can't believe how big it is. I'm like yeah. They're like,

557
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:09.199
we should I want to follow it. I'm like, no, No,

558
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:19.880
the tracks that you found, how
what was the distance between the track

559
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.559
tracks? If you found a track
that was part of a track way.

560
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:31.960
They are all different. They are
based on the size of the track and

561
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:37.440
how they're moving. Because some of
them are running, they're I think they're

562
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:45.400
chasing gaming or something, and then
some of them when they're walking. I

563
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.800
don't know. I ain't found a
lot of tracks where they've been together.

564
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:54.480
Usually it's just one track. But
I found all different sizes. I mean

565
00:49:54.519 --> 00:50:00.639
I found like, i'd say,
four four if even tracks, I mean

566
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:06.639
along the side of the river.
And I mean this was years ago before

567
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.800
I even accepted the fact that these
things are out there. I'm like,

568
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.960
who's bringing their kid out here barefoot
walking through the brush on the side of

569
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:22.440
the river. I mean it was
a perfect indentation. So that was spaced

570
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:28.920
out what was it that was like
two feet? Those ones were like two

571
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:34.159
feet and then the real big ones. I don't know, like I've seen

572
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:38.119
the one I stopped, Like,
I don't see a lot of tracks with

573
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:50.800
these guys. It's very very interesting. You mentioned that you you're constantly,

574
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.559
you know, researching reports, looking
at reports. Is there a certain place

575
00:50:54.760 --> 00:51:00.760
that you go to to find reports
from the areas that your research in Michigan?

576
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.599
No, I just try and get
all of them. Oh so do

577
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.360
people sorry, do people uh send
their reports directly to that you? Are

578
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:17.559
you going to a place like BFRO
or No, I don't. I don't

579
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.639
use BFR. Oh I've heard a
lot of stories of them altering the stories.

580
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:29.840
Sure, yeah, so they kind
of I kind of because they all

581
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.519
fit the same little because there's there's
a lot of things that happen out there,

582
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.559
and like they all can't fit in
this little bubble, right it to

583
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:44.639
clarify I have I've heard people say
that same thing is what I should say,

584
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:49.480
Matthew. So you're you're finding reports
at different places on the Internet,

585
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:57.039
et cetera. Things like that.
Okay, interesting, like like like got

586
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.840
Carpenter, Sure, I started watching
Steven How To Hunt when he first started.

587
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:06.280
I watched his story he told about
his grand dad. I think I

588
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:13.880
was that first episode when he started. All that I remember that was.

589
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:21.119
Yeah, I have a question about
some certain spots in Michigan, just to

590
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.960
see if it's anything that you've heard
of. Have you ever heard of any

591
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:31.239
sightings near Glenny, Michigan? Lenny, I think that's North Michigan. But

592
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.079
I don't. I don't think so
well. I actually I'm probably sure I

593
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:45.440
have. But I mean, these
they're all over the place, like like

594
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:51.079
literally all over the place. And
then these are the people that are talking

595
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.159
about it, like I can't imagine. I can't imagine all the encounters where

596
00:52:54.159 --> 00:53:00.760
people aren't telling you whether or not. I think a lot of a lot

597
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:06.639
of people don't say anything. I
want to loop back to when you were

598
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:14.039
talking about portals a while back.
So I'm curious personally because I've heard a

599
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.880
little bit, but I've never experienced. How is it that you know that

600
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:24.679
you are entering into a portal?
Usually you cannot see it. Correct,

601
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.000
No, I couldn't see it.
I didn't even know I went through it.

602
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:36.760
I knew I knew because the terrain
it was like I was on a

603
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.800
different planet, not a different planet. It was like I was somewhere else,

604
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.599
Like it was all flat and there
was supposed to be a steep hill.

605
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.079
So it was like it was total
confusion. It was like, this

606
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.960
is not right, Like there's supposed
to be a hill here, and it's

607
00:53:54.960 --> 00:54:01.719
all flat and swampy and there's cat
tails. And then I got real sick

608
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:07.679
feeling. I turned and I followed
my footprints and then and then I fell.

609
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:19.320
Fine, that's very interesting, kind
of a out of left field question,

610
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:23.519
but I have a feeling you might
have experienced something since you've been doing

611
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:30.360
this for at least twenty years.
You said Michigan is not only known for

612
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:35.239
Bigfoot, but it's also known for
many dog man encounters as well. Have

613
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:40.639
you ever encountered anything like that or
heard anything to do with dog man?

614
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:45.679
Or do you just stick with bigfoot? I stick with Bigfoot, and then

615
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:51.199
I've heard a lot of stories,
and none of those stories are good.

616
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.519
So I'm trusting what everybody's saying.
So if I see a track, I'm

617
00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.480
out of there. I haven't seen
no tracks like, so I where I

618
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:06.280
go, I stick with Bigfoot reports. What I want to do, I

619
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:10.599
want to keep exploring though, So
I want to learn where these dog dog

620
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.159
men reports are so I know not
to go there. Right. I feel

621
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:21.039
the same way with that topic.
I'm like, I just crossed my fingers

622
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:27.000
that the reports don't come into Iowa. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've

623
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:34.880
heard either you're afraid or they make
you afraid, Like I've heard no happy

624
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:40.679
stories with that. Absolutely. Getting
back to your visual sighting you had,

625
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:49.920
did you get a feeling of or
maybe from what you, let's say,

626
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:58.079
rather your visual more that the creature
was a human type creature or an ape

627
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:05.280
type creature, or maybe something completely
not the two. I think I think

628
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.360
these things are completely not the two. I think they're their own. I

629
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:15.519
think because I've seen other ones too
in different areas, and they're all totally

630
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:21.320
different. They're different color, they're
different sizes, they act different, their

631
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:29.800
voices are different, they hunt different. Like, I think there's this big

632
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:37.719
broad spectrum that we're not being told. I think these things have been around

633
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:43.719
for hundreds of thousands of not millions
of years, and there's just there's so

634
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.360
many different species that have evolved.
Like, I think there's things we don't

635
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.480
even know. I think there's ones
that are smart. Enough to where we

636
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:59.760
don't even know they exist, because
yeah, I mean, that's where I'm

637
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:07.360
at with that, like and and
evidence wise, I think there's there's plenty

638
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:13.639
of evidence, like the Patterson Gimlin
film, like why how are we going

639
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.239
to get a better video? That's
that's an amazing video, Like you can

640
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.119
see you can see the muscle flexing. It all should have ended right there.

641
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:30.239
But I think because of their abilities, we're not We're not being told

642
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:36.800
what they are. And there's such
a variety of them, and they they're

643
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:43.519
just they can't control them. These
things can cloak. I've had them cloak

644
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:47.239
on me. I've had them to
all kinds of crazy stuff, Like I've

645
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:52.400
had them cloak and I've been so
close I could still smell them. It

646
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.480
was. It had like a wild
gamey smell. And I think with the

647
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:01.119
I've never experienced the skunk smell.
But I heard a report years ago where

648
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.000
they did a biops young one and
they said it had scent glands under its

649
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:13.360
armpits and inside inside its legs and
its thighs. It had like the same

650
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.280
glance as like a skunk does.
So these things they don't I don't think

651
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.679
they naturally stink. They take good
care of themselves. But I think we

652
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:29.119
got like the Sasquatch, and then
we got like the furry ones, and

653
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:37.880
then we got the long hair like
Neanderthal ones, and they might stink.

654
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:43.960
There's what I found is the more
you learn them, the more there is

655
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.400
to learn. Oh. Absolutely,
I agree with that one hundred percent.

656
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:55.519
It seems you I personally put out
an episode about a certain location and five

657
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:00.719
people contact me the next day saying, Hey, that happened to me twenty

658
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.719
years ago, or it just happened
to me. It's it's wild. The

659
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.199
more you do, the more you
look into it, the more there is

660
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:15.239
to look into. I totally agree
with that. And then when I go,

661
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.119
I don't one thing I know they
don't like, like I want to

662
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:24.639
hit on, hit on people that
want to search, people who get their

663
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:30.119
own questions that might want to see
something too, because it's hard. It's

664
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:35.559
like ten twenty years ago, it
was hard to find any information. Like

665
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.199
you, you didn't want to tell
anybody because people would just blow you off.

666
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.519
So what I do when I go
too, is I don't I just

667
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:52.360
take bear spray, I don't take
a I mean, I'll take my phone

668
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.800
and GPS, but I'll use it
as little as possible. I know they

669
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.519
hate phones. I don't know what
it is about them. They hate them,

670
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:06.840
and then they don't like guns,
which is obvious because I'm sure they've

671
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:15.880
had generations of issues ever since we've
had guns. So I don't Yeah,

672
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:20.159
I just used bear spray to take
my knife. We'll be back with more

673
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:27.760
Bigfoot Society after these words from our
sponsors. I don't take a firearm,

674
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.800
and I try not. I got
chased out of the woods one time because

675
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:37.079
I was just exploring and I was
camping, and I was I was I

676
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:42.079
had phone service, so I was
watching YouTube videos and then I heard branches

677
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:46.360
breaking and started getting closer and closer. I'm like, yeah, that was

678
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:54.480
the one time I got out of
there. So they were they were literally

679
01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:01.519
they're chasing you out of the woods, is what you're Yeah, Like he

680
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:07.199
wasn't chasing me. They were.
He was coming up slowly like I seen

681
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.039
this guy too, and I he
was one of them once. It was

682
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:16.920
just gigantic. It was it was
insane when I seen him, but I

683
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.079
seen him. I seen him.
I was with my girlfriend. I couldn't

684
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:24.880
even say nothing. I just looked
at him, and he had a young

685
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.199
one in front of him. He
had his hand on it, and then

686
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.519
they were just watching me. I
was watching them. We were on a

687
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:37.679
little hike and then I just had
a drink of water and then we walked

688
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:42.119
off. But I mean, this
guy was so big. It was just

689
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:49.360
terrifying, Like he could have picked
up my car and hit me with it,

690
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.559
like he was he was one of
them. And then I thought that

691
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:57.280
might have been him coming through the
woods slowly at me. So I'm like,

692
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:06.880
I ain't taking no chances. I'm
out of here. But that's that's

693
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:13.559
another story. Absolutely, we haven't
even talked about the Upper Peninsula Michigan.

694
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:15.840
I think, right, this has
all been stuff in the lower part.

695
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:22.239
I believe, yeah, all over. Like what I do is I find

696
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:28.679
is I find the most secluded areas
with the water source, and then I

697
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.559
go the hottest time of the year. So I'm like, if you're eight

698
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:36.000
hundred pounds a thousand pounds, you're
for cover, you're staying close to a

699
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:42.079
water source. Wow, Yeah,
that seems to work. And then you

700
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.840
don't they'll be there. Yeah,
yeah, they don't have buckets to all

701
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:54.440
this water around, Like so rivers, bodies of water. You got a

702
01:02:54.440 --> 01:03:02.960
good chancey and then and then it's
crazy. All these guys they're starting to

703
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:08.719
pass like John Binner, Nigel Scott, Scott Carpenter was good. That was

704
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:15.840
he was a great guy. Yeah, it's a pretty recent one. Uh

705
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:24.800
yeah, his passing, which is
unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah, still you

706
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.639
how much time are we at?
You got time for me to start the

707
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:34.719
Upper Peninsula. Oh so I'll tell
you this, Matthew, I've got all

708
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.480
the time in the world. I
more want to be respectful of your time.

709
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:42.800
So if you'd like to, if
you have things to share about the

710
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:47.360
Upper Peninsula Michigan, by all means, yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

711
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:52.519
This was this, this was It
was different than the other stories. I

712
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:58.280
gotta what time is it? Oh
my, I gotta be up at what

713
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:02.559
time? At four thirty am?
I'm on seven days right now? A

714
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:08.119
word? But it's all right.
I ain't been sleeping good anyway. I've

715
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.800
been reliving everything, knowing I'm going
to talk about it, like trying to

716
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:17.599
piece it all together. So all
right, I'll finish it up with this

717
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:27.440
last one. So so my ex
girlfriend, her her dad, and then

718
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:31.320
their uncles and stuff, they all
were bear hunters. So they went up

719
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:39.320
to Newberry bear hunting on state land, different sections. They had state land

720
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:44.039
and private property. They had a
buddy. They had a little cottage that

721
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.719
we stayed at. Well, it
was a little cabin and it had four

722
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:51.239
bunks. It was perfect. It's
just a nice little up north place.

723
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:58.800
So then they would go set bait
piles and stuff, like a week or

724
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:03.960
two before. So then anyways,
I went up there. I was I

725
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:08.960
was like, oh, bars,
they probably can't fee that bad. So

726
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.559
I'm like, well i'll take I'll
go with the bow. So I took

727
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:18.679
a bow, I wore a Gillie
suit, and then I have them I

728
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.360
just haven't dropped me off and like, just dropped me off. Come back

729
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:27.719
in a couple of hours and then
and then yeah, we'll see how it

730
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:33.599
goes. So then they dropped me
off and then I'm just I don't know

731
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:39.159
what it is. I'm like,
I'm feeling terrified. I don't know what's

732
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:46.880
going on. I don't see nothing. It's crazy. So then I still

733
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:55.039
sit there and wait and this was
this was freaking This was probably eighteen years

734
01:05:55.039 --> 01:06:00.039
ago, yeah, eighteen years ago. So then we we go up there,

735
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:05.119
and then I'm hunting. I'm feeling
freaked out, real bad. I

736
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.679
don't know what it is. I'm
just terrified and it's it's not it's not

737
01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:14.920
it's nothing new with the bears.
I'm like, this is weird because like

738
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.719
I've still learned about these guys,
so it's hard to even comprehend they exist

739
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:25.559
at first, Like you don't want
to believe it. The stuff that happens,

740
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:29.960
well I didn't. I wanted to
blow it off and be like,

741
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.400
forget about it, but it didn't
work out that way. And then uh

742
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:43.199
so I'm real scared and nothing happens
the first day, and then the second

743
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:50.199
day I'm I'm sitting out there,
I'm scared again, and then I hear

744
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:55.119
this tree get knocked over. I'm
like, all right, all right,

745
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.760
the bears trying to scare me out
of here. I'm like, well,

746
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.239
maybe he'll come in, I'll see
him. But then after this tree gets

747
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.840
knocked over, I can hear the
tree getting ripped apart. It was,

748
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:12.840
it was insane, it was,
it was terrifying. It was It's one

749
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:19.199
of the scariest scariest I've ever been. So then so then after that we

750
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.320
go back I tell him, I'm
like, yeah, I heard a tree

751
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:29.719
knocked over. So then so then
I go again the next day, and

752
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:34.639
people are allowed to bear hunt with
dogs, so they got the GPS collars

753
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:41.280
on them, and so then well
they're dropping me off. So other hunters

754
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:46.119
don't even know him out there.
So I hear this dog hollering. I'm

755
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.000
like, oh, he's a long
ways away, like I could barely hear

756
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:54.760
him. And then he gets closer
and closer, and he's hollowing and going

757
01:07:54.800 --> 01:08:00.559
crazy. You can tell he's on
something. He was a bagle. And

758
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.039
then he got closer, he got
probably got forty yards from me, and

759
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:09.920
then he just stopped. I couldn't
hear nothing. I'm like, I'm like,

760
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:16.279
wow, that's weird. And then
and then like probably fifteen twenty minutes

761
01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:20.600
later, I heard the hunter coming
out to get his dog and I heard

762
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:26.079
him swearing and cussing. I don't
know what happened, but I'm sure his

763
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:35.479
dog. Something bad happened, something
real bad. So then so then when

764
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:40.920
was it a while after that?
It's like, because that day I stayed

765
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.319
the whole I stayed the whole day. I'm like, just dropped me off

766
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:47.239
early on see what was going on. So then probably four hours later,

767
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:56.800
a big bear sticks his head through
through this brush and was looking He didn't

768
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.119
even see me. He was looking
off to the side, and then he

769
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.640
was just gone. He was I
never seen any animal in my life to

770
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:09.239
this day moved that fast. So
freaked this guy out, freaked this barrel.

771
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.279
I'm like, oh, that's crazy. I'm like, he was big.

772
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.119
I was like, I probably wouldn't
even I took a shot on him,

773
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:25.840
like I was just I don't know. I didn't think i'd have to

774
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:30.600
hit him perfect with an arrow.
So then I'm like, all right,

775
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:35.119
well that was the last day and
I'm totally freaked out because this stuff happened.

776
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:42.199
So I'm like I forgot my knife
and we were heading back and it

777
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:45.920
was on the way back and I'm
like, I want my knife. So

778
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.840
I'm like, hey, hey,
my knife out there. We need to

779
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:54.119
go back, and they've been stuff
happening. Can you come out with the

780
01:09:54.159 --> 01:10:00.039
gun and just like walk behind me
because in case anything happen. And they're

781
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.960
like yeah, all right, So
they stopped. He's folding the gun.

782
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.359
I'm like, I'm like, well, well, you got one in the

783
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:13.399
chamber. He's like yeah. And
then because at this point, I'm so

784
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:15.479
scared, I'm convinced. I'm convinced
I'm gonna die. At this point,

785
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.199
I'm like, if I go back
in these woods, I'm gonna die.

786
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:24.920
So so he said, yeah,
I got one in the chamber, and

787
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:28.840
I'm like, I'm like, well, do you got your safety on?

788
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.079
He's like, he just gave me
a funny look, and then he looked

789
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:40.680
at his dad, like what's wrong
with this guy? So so then so

790
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:43.640
then I don't know if he'd turned
it off or not. So we start

791
01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:47.439
walking back in there, and then
I'm just I'm terrified this time. And

792
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:54.560
then something something was to my left. I could I just knew there was

793
01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:59.079
something there, and then you could
hear movement and it so it took off,

794
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:02.479
it ran. It's like I couldn't
see anything. It was it.

795
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:09.640
This thing was totally invisible, and
it literally it ran by me. And

796
01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:14.640
the only way I knew something was
there, like eight eight to ten feet

797
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.000
in the air. The tree limbs
are getting you can see they're getting pushed

798
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:23.680
out of the way. Whatever's going
by, it's making its own path through

799
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:29.000
the woods. And then and then
it was gone. It was. It

800
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.920
happened fast. It was this was
like seconds. I think it was gone

801
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:38.119
in like two three seconds. It
was just crazy and fast. And then

802
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.359
you could see it was crazy.
I can still like it just happened an

803
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:46.199
hour ago. I can see them
limbs moving and flailing. And then I

804
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:53.720
looked back at my girlfriend's dead and
he's just standing there with his mouth wide

805
01:11:53.720 --> 01:12:00.720
open. He's not moving, He's
he's terrified. I'm like, I'm like,

806
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:03.920
are you all right? He's like
yeah. He's like, I'm like,

807
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:10.359
did you see it? He's like
yeah, he's like he's like,

808
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.720
I'm not going no further. I'm
like, my n well because in my

809
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:18.399
nice like right where this thing was
running. So I'm like, all right,

810
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.359
you will wait here. I've been
freaked out the whole time. I'm

811
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:27.319
still freaked out, but I'm getting
my knife. So then I walk over

812
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:31.520
and get my knife and then he
and then he stays with inside of me,

813
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.359
which was nice. And then we
get out of there, and then

814
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:42.800
he was he was all shoke up
after that, like we never we never

815
01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:46.359
talked about it at all. It
was he was just one of the things

816
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:51.199
he was. I know. I
ended up staying there at his house,

817
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:56.920
like I think like a few days
or something. He didn't sleep for two

818
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.359
days after that encounter. I know
he didn't sleep at least two days.

819
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:08.239
It was he was shook up bad. But yeah, yeah, that was

820
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:14.680
that story. That is incredibly intense. When you're looking at like the top

821
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:18.319
that the tree limbs like eight feet
up and you can see him moving back

822
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:25.520
and forth, did you see like
a disturbance in the air around it or

823
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:31.359
it was just like something could see
it was being pushed it would you could

824
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.840
tell it was being pushed out of
the way and there was this like clearing

825
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:42.840
it was making as it was going
through. It was because like the trees

826
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:47.680
were kind of tall, but so
the lower part was open but up eight

827
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.359
feet and stuff there was there was
tree limbs and stuff. So it was

828
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:55.640
you could see it was smacking them
out of the way. It's like they

829
01:13:55.640 --> 01:14:02.279
were vibrating some of them. It
was. It was scary. That's incredible.

830
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:13.239
Wow, it's not surprising that you
know you are having issues sleeping sometimes.

831
01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:18.840
And I do want to thank you
for for being able to share all

832
01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:24.840
this. I know that it's it
sounds like it's been hard putting your mind

833
01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:30.439
back in those times, as you
said, but I know it's very helpful

834
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:34.800
to at least some of the listeners
that are probably experiencing things that are similar

835
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:41.520
to hear someone talking because they're researching
this stuff, trying to figure it out,

836
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:45.640
and they're listening your podcast. And
some people are are trying to come

837
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:50.439
to grips with what they experience themselves, and just to know that someone else

838
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:59.000
experienced it, I know is helping
them get through it. So just thank

839
01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:03.800
you for approaching me about this.
Yeah, thanks for listening. I mean

840
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:10.560
it's hard to find people to listen
to this kind of stuff, absolutely different.

841
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:17.279
Do you have any final advice for
let's say, people that might want

842
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:27.920
to to go out and look for
bigfoot themselves on the weekend. Yeah.

843
01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:31.720
The biggest thing I've learned, I
don't go to where there's missing people,

844
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:39.920
like like the up That's why I
only had one experience. I'm not going

845
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:48.880
back up there looking again because you
never know what's going on. So I'm

846
01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:54.359
here in research the area you're you're
thinking about going to, and if there's

847
01:15:55.159 --> 01:16:00.520
missing four on one things, probably
don't mess with it. Yeah, like

848
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:05.880
like the Appalachian Mountains, the Upper
Peninsula of Michigan. There's been people that

849
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:14.600
big pharters that have disappeared, people
going out looking for him and they don't

850
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:21.359
know what happened. It's intense and
uh yeah wow. Yeah. So if

851
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:25.279
you go to places, I'm like, well, if there's no disappearance,

852
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:29.439
it's like, at least you're gonna
make it out of there. There's a

853
01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:33.840
good chance. That's true. I
always be prepared. It sounds like you're

854
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:38.520
you're a guy who is definitely more
than prepared when you go out as well

855
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:44.079
from what you were saying earlier.
Yeah, honestly, I just it just

856
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:47.079
it never ends. I just want
to go back out again, Like I

857
01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:54.479
mean, it's just the world's more
interesting than what we know. I mean,

858
01:16:54.520 --> 01:17:01.479
there's there's more out there. Absolutely. Matthew, thank you again for

859
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:11.239
reaching out and for chatting tonight.
If listeners have had any things happen in

860
01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:16.439
these areas of Michigan that Matthew was
talking about, or if you've had anything

861
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:23.399
happening completely unrelated areas of Michigan,
feel free to reach out. You can

862
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:28.319
always email me at Bigfoot Society at
gmail dot com. I'd love to start

863
01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:32.199
a back and forth with you about
it. But thank you so much for

864
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:39.680
chatting. Yeah, yeah, thank
you, and keep me in the know.

865
01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:42.560
It sounds like you're out there quite
a bit. If you ever have

866
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:47.800
anything else interesting happen, feel free
to reach out Matthy All right, thank

867
01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:50.359
you, it was nice talking to
You've got it. Have a great night,

868
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:56.359
sir. Yep, but you're a
big Foot Society article is to provide

869
01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:00.680
a platform for those that have encountered
Bigfoot. You share their encounter in a

870
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:05.600
safe and respected environment, but we
need to hear your story. If you've

871
01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:13.359
experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

872
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:16.880
Society at gmail dot com. Then
we can start the conversation. And I

873
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:23.119
know a lot of you have not
shared your encounter at all. It's been

874
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:28.560
twenty years and it's time that you
get this off your chest and then you

875
01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.920
can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping.

876
01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:35.600
I understand what you're going through,
and I appreciate every one of you listening