June 27, 2025

This Idaho Guide Was Stalked by Bigfoot for Years!

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Season 1

What happens when a lifelong woodsman, trapper, and hunting guide from Idaho has his first face-to-face encounter with something the world says doesn’t exist — and it changes the way he sees the forest forever?

In this chilling episode, we sit down with Dave, a seasoned outdoorsman who’s spent decades hunting, logging, and mining across the backcountry of Pennsylvania, New York, and Idaho. But it wasn’t until he moved near Palisades Reservoir in southeastern Idaho that he realized something else was sharing the woods.

Dave shares gripping firsthand accounts of multiple Bigfoot encounters — including the moment he locked eyes with a 9-foot creature watching him from behind a pine tree, the horrifying roar that nearly knocked him off his feet in the dark, and the night something stomped past his tent while his llamas froze in silence. You’ll also hear about unnerving trackways, strange vocalizations, and a photograph that may show a Sasquatch lying in a cold Idaho spring.

These aren’t blurry photos or distant tales — they’re raw, violent, and unforgettable moments from a man who’s lived most of his life outdoors. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to come face-to-face with something impossible… this is your episode.

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Bigfoot Lives in Idaho by Becky Cook - https://amzn.to/45yoTeH (Amazon Affiliate link that helps support Bigfoot Society)

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account comes from a man with forty five years

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in the logging industry, seasoned hunter, a professional guide, and

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a trapper who knows the woods like most people know

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their own backyard. But near a place called Palisades Reservoir,

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something else was watching the trail. This account is what

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happened the day he realized he wasn't alone to stay

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with us. All right, Big for Society, You've got the

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privilege of talking to Dave today. Day's an individual that

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it got connected to over on the YouTube side of things,

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and Dave, it's a pleasure to talk to you today.

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How's it going, man.

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Well, it's a pleasure to talk to you. First of all,

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thanks for having me on. I'm doing good. I mean,

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things are the weather's nice, and things are good at

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the ranch.

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So I'm ready to talk Bigfoot if you're ready.

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Absolutely.

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You know, Dave, you were nice enough to share a

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bit with me about your background, and I think it

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might be beneficial for listeners to know a little bit

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about your background. Would you mind sharing things that you've

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been into over the years that you had provided to

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me before we get into it.

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Well, I don't.

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It takes a lot in my background, and I'm not

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quite sure. I'm not quite sure everything I sent to

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you or we discussed before.

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But I've been in the log and business.

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I started out in the log and business in Pennsylvania,

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and so I run the logging business from basically let's

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full of New York Orchard Park all the way down

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to Wheeling, West Virginia, and across half the state of Pennsylvania, and.

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So pretty big operation.

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Spent over forty five years in the logging and sawmill industry.

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And I was at a.

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Very young age, five years old when I got my

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first muskrat. So I spent ninety probably ninety five percent

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of my waking hours out in the woods in Pennsylvania,

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New York State, and you know, northern West Virginia. That

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being told, I've never even thought about a bigfoot, never

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had any experiences where experiences in those states.

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But I got involved.

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I guided in Pennsylvania since I've been oh probably eighteen

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to twenty years old, and I bought a place that

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had an eight hunder acres, stayed attached good and for

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twenty three years I outfitted hunters and stuff like that.

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So I mean, I've dealt with the public. Nobody's ever

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had any issues with bigfoot out there that I know of.

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But then I got interested in Western hunting and got

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involved with a fellow by the name of Mike's from Jackson,

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and he wanted me to write a few articles for him,

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and so I did, and he got me over here

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on the other side of the Mountain Range in Duke,

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a place I'll just say Swan Valley and Idaho, And

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so that's where I live and reside today. But things

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changed as far as the big foot world. I mean,

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I was Alaska. I've hunted Alaska numerous times, never had

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any issues other than with sir least.

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And I've been a professional hunt pretty much.

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My life and have taken dousands of scores of people

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out and guided in Wyoming.

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Never had any issues with bigfoot over there.

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But Idaho, the southeast corner of Idaho seems to have

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a lot of big foot activity. And I also go mine.

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That's another thing I do every summer. A matter of fact,

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I'm getting ready to go go money and again this

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summer I'm going up as we speak, in two days.

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I'm going through some prospecting. But anyhow that's led me

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into some bigfoot encounters. And we'll talk about that a

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month or moore or later and show. But so I

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my life has been out in the woods and but

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in this southeast corner by Palestage Reservoir, I've had encounters

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and whenever you're ready in Jeremiah, well, well, well, I

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suppose we'll start sharing him as is there anything else

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you'd like to go about my background? Well, there we go.

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Thank you for sharing that, Dave.

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I think that's important that listeners know that in this case,

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you have a lot of background being in the woods

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guiding people, fishing, hunting. Even though we know you as Dave,

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you're pretty accomplished for things that you've done over the years.

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And I have some info regarding that to the side.

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But you know, Dave, i'd love to hear more about

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was there a certain time that you realize that there

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was more going on in the woods than just these

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animals that you were hunting as a guide.

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Well, I would say.

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I've been out in an idahost since nineteen eighty seven,

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for I would say approximately a year. I've never encountered

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anything that I could put my finger on as out

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of the ordinary, although I did watch it as a kid,

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like a lot of us, probably listening to the what

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was it, Balky Creek legend of Balgy Creek, and I

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thought that was cool, but I never I never really

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gave it any thought until, like I said, I moved Idaho,

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and I would say things started to happening around nineteen

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ninety eight, and quite frankly, I ran into something that

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was literally amazing. They talked about this Skookum cast because

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I watched Bigfoot stuff. Now, I watched David Plidi's and

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stuff like that and reputable and listened to encounters on

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this show. And I find that there's an awful lot

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of people that I've had encounters. And a friend of

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mine by the name of Becky Cook wrote a book

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about Bigfoot and says the title reads, Bigfoot Lives in Idaho,

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and she devoted a whole chapter to some of my

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encounters and weird, unexplained happenings. I'll put it in that

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way because.

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If I don't see.

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It, I don't believe it. But there are things that's

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happened to me that there is no explanation, because, like

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I said, I've been out in the woods since I

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been five years old. I'm going to be seventy two.

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I spent literally ninety percent of my even at this

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day and age, ninety percent of my waking time is

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in the outdoors. So it's it's extraordinary when something like

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this happens to you and you remember, is there anything

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else that you want me to put into that timeframe?

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Or I would say that that does sound good. It's

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interesting you bring up Becky Cook. I know she's known

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for writing a few books about Idaho big fil I

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believe she's I think she's no longer with us.

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But right, yeah, she passed away here a year year

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and a half ago.

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But if listeners want to hear more about encounters in Idaho,

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I would recommend try to track those books down if

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you can. Yeah, Dave, I am. I am knowing that

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you are also featured in one of Becky's books, which

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I did not know. I'm very, very curious to hear

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what had happened to you out there.

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Well, do you want me to start from the first

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big foot encounter?

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You want me to skip around or give you the

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most scary encounter first? You tell me what you want

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to hear.

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I found that.

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From talking a lot of people over the years, it's

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interesting to hear chronological if possible, because there's always seems

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to be a path that is followed, maybe a few

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different paths, but it would be really interesting to hear

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what your first encounter was.

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Okay, well, the first encounter happened.

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Well, my buddy George and I were hunting, and it

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was our typical routine. We would go out pre gone,

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get up in a section in glass and glass looking

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for big the old ear bucks, and of course not

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even looking at the smaller ones. But we would do that,

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and then about eleven o'clock the bucks, especially the big

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boys are all gone after twenty minutes of day late,

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but we'd watched in glass and look for elk or

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whatever until about eleven o'clock. We eat a little bit

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of lunch, and then we would take turns sleeping. Well,

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this one particular day, beautiful blue blue bird day, you know,

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very little wind, George said, oh, I'm going to take

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a nap, so about it. He would sleep about one

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thirty and then I would go to h take try

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and take a rest from one thirty to three, and

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we'd get up and glass till dark and head back

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to camp. We used to pack in with Lamas, so

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we were right up. We didn't have to travel a

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long way to get ben at the camp. We always

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camp right up in the mountains where we're running.

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And the one particular day, I was up there and.

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I was just playing with a chipmunk, and because when

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I was a little kid, my grandma used to put

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peanuts in my hand and the chipmunks would come up

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and take a peanut and run away with it. And

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I thought, well, I'm gonna say if I can drink

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in one of these woods chipmunks. So all I had

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was some of these lance cheese and peanut butter crackers,

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and so I cut off a piece and I threw

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it underground, and the little chippy came up and he

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ate it, and the next thing you know, I got him.

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He was climbing up on my leg, but he wouldn't

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come up to my hand.

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And this has been going on, and I looked up

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from the chipmunks.

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Some popped my eye and I looked down by this

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pine tree which was about I'm trying to figure out

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it was probably m forty feet, yeah, forty to sixty

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feet away, and that pine tree was probably at that time.

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Eleven foot tall.

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I was just back there last year and now it's

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probably twenty five or thirty foot doll. But anyhow, there

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was an elk help with a game trail, let's just

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call it in a game trail came out right there,

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and we would sit right above that, not looking for

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anything on that game trail, but basically looking at the

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There three trails down the hill and they would come

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out and be perfect shooting. So George is sleeping, I'm

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there playing with the chipmunk, and I look.

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And here's this.

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Big, dark brown, chestnut brown things standing there. And I says, well,

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that's a moose.

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And I just waving. Have to be an off colored moose.

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And I looked, and.

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So I moved a little bit and this thing was

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looking right at me and it never blinked.

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It wasn't a moose, it wasn't a bear.

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It had a head that was probably I'm thinking sixteen

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inches wide. I said wow, and I could see I

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could see the one eye the corner at the corner

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through the pine tree. He was studying me through the

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branches of a pine tree. And this pine tree is

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about four foot down slope and I'm looking straight across

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at his eyes. This this animal had to be i'd

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say nine to ten feet tall, really, and I think

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that's uh anoying, over exagera exaggeration.

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This animal studying me. I'm playing with the chipmunk. I'm

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looking at this thing.

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I'm dumbfounded. And the uh the guns are two guns

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are set against a a wind blown pine tree that

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day they rotted. It's all white and bleached out. They're

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laying there there. They're on the other side of Georgia.

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Unfortunately or fortunately. But I looked over at those guns,

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and when I look back at him, something changed with

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his demeanor. I don't know how to explain it in words,

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but the expression that I could read from his eyes

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changed and I was no longer concerned with the chipmunk.

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I was on my butt, so I moved over closer

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to George. He was watching me. He didn't move, and

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I looked at the guns again, and when I turned,

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he was gone. Now this thing had had I saw

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all let's see the left side of his shoulder, who

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was probably protruding about thirty inches three foot from his head.

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I didn't see a neck. I could only see one

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one half of his head. I saw part of his nose,

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a good conceived part of his mouth.

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I didn't see any teeth. I didn't see anything like that.

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But that eyeball, it looked just like my eyeball, except

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it was the size of a no bigger than a

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silver dollar. The pupil, the you know, the colored part,

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but in a in a big eyebrow. Uh. That's all

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I saw of them other than I through the pine tree.

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I could see part of his width, but he was turned.

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If he was walking up that trail, he would have

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been turned to the left.

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And he stood there motionless.

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But the funny part of it is when I looked

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at the guns the second time, turned around and looked

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at him, he wasn't there, and there was there was

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no noise. It's just like he vanished, just like puff,

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like a like in a I don't know a cartoon,

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you know, where the fairy godmother puts a wand down

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and puff, something's gone. And that's uh. That was my

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first encounter right there. And then that same year in

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the evenings, we heard I don't know how to explain it.

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It was like an oriental language down in the pines

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down at the bottom of the basin. Never saw any thing. Uh,

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And I told George. He even commed, he said, who's

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speaking Chinese down there? Why are why are they speaking

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out loud like that? It was it was a dialect.

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It sounded like an Oriental you know. I'm I'm not

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familiar with all dialects, but it sounded like that.

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It was almost like words, but it wasn't words.

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In twice in that year and once in a subsequent year,

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we heard that down in that basin, and I would say, uh,

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that would be the extent of those of that encounter

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on that side.

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And then I ask you a few questions about that

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real quick.

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Sorry, So this was in southeast Idaho, You said.

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Yeah, on the uh, being on the the western western

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side of Pallisage Reservoir.

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Okay, gotcha.

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Uh.

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So it's sounds like when you were able to see

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its eyeball, it actually did have a pupil, and I

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would take from that that you could see a white

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area of its eyes or was it all colored.

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I wouldn't say it was white white. It was more

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like no, but it was it was lighter than the center. Yeah,

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than I recalled because it's been quite a few years,

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but it reminded me of a human being eyeball, but

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it was just huge.

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You had said that the left side of the shoulders

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three feet from the next I want to make.

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Sure I say so six feet across. It sounds like.

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If yeah, I would think so, because he was turned

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quartered toward me and I could see that's what I spotted. First.

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I didn't see the head in the eyeball.

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I saw that big blob which was his shoulder and

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his arm portal left side, and then I look. I

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kept looking, and uh, then I noticed the head in

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the eye looking at me through the trees. In other words, uh,

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he was screened by this pine tree. But he was

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looking through the pine tree, standing there, looking at me.

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And I don't know how long he before eye spotted him.

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He was there, because he didn't he didn't just appear there.

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He might have been there for five minutes watching me

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play with that chipmunk. I don't know.

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Absolutely. He disappeared.

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And he disappeared right.

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There was no sounds like, there are no branches moving.

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It just you said, just disappeared.

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It disappeared, And I know he couldn't have he couldn't

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have went forward on the trail. It had been exposed.

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He turned around and went back the way he came

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down into the dark timber.

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But I but I never heard a sound.

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Now you know, well that any hooft animal that couldn't

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the part quickly, you're gonna hear it. Now bear a

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mountain lion. H they put any soft foot in animal,

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I'll just say it. I'll put it that way. Uh,

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they don't make that kind of noise, especially on a

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trail that is groomed to be free of branches and stuff.

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It's well used trail. And so he disappeared without a sound.

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I didn't hear any big thumbs or anything like that.

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It was just gone. That was it.

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And if I did hear, my brain didn't register it.

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That's what I can tell you.

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When did you go over to where it was standing

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at all to see if if they're any shacks?

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Yeah? Okay, yeah yeah, Because I shook George and woke

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them up. He says, what's going on? And I says,

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he ain't gonna believe this. This huge thing was just standing.

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He says, you don't know what you're talking about. And

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so I said, yeah, I'm telling you you stood there

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and watched me playing with his chipmunk. But anyhow, yeah,

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that's what. And we went down there and we looked,

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and I didn't see anything. I didn't know then to

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look for big foot tracks. Since then, I've seen dozens

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and dozens of big foot tracks, casted a few and whatever.

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But at that time, there was just no tracks on it.

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It was just a thirty inch wide trail beat down

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with Elkin deer tracks. But there was no Elkin deer

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tracks right right there. There wasn't any there. It was

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just plain smooth redbird. And what if there was a

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track there, I didn't recognize it. There probably was a

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track there, probably numerous tracks, but I didn't recognize.

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I didn't know what I was looking for.

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Absolutely no.

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So did you have horses with you in addition to

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lamas or just the lamas lamas? Okay, yeah, And during

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that time where the Lama's reacting in any way or not?

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No, they weren't there. They weren't there.

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But I will tell you a circumstance where the lamas

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did react. Okay, it wasn't at this on this certain

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situation here a certain day. No, they were back at camp.

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We would never take him unless we needed to pack

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something out, and then we would go back get them

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and you know, put the paniards on and get moving.

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Makes sense. Had you heard that?

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I guess I should ask have you heard the Sierra

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Sounds at all?

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Uh?

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Yeah, I guess I don't know. I've heard of them,

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whether I've actually heard him. I don't think I really

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actually been here. Maybe I did once or twice, but

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I didn't register anything to me.

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Okay, it would be interesting if you were able to, like,

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if you search for Sierra Sounds on YouTube? Is he

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interesting to see if what you had heard that oriental language,

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if it was similar to what Ron Moore had had

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captured in the Sierras of California.

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Well I can, yeah, I'll e check it out if you.

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Know, Okay, yeah, definitely. Okay.

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So I mean, after this, this is your first experience,

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that's a wild first encounter. And then did this set

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you down the trail like man, I got to figure

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out what I am dealing with or it just started

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to come more and more into your life as you

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went along.

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Well, I I'm inquisitive. I want to know what's going on.

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And it changed my hunting patterns a little bit, I'll

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let me tell you. And all those ears in the woods,

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I started looking around behind me. I never wanted to

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run into one chase and chase, but I did, unfortunately

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about three or four years later in the early Well,

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I can tell you what date that was. That was

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the opening day of mule deer season in twenty fourteen,

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which would have been I think October fifth. Yeah, and

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it was at six twenty in the morning. I remember

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that one because that's when that was my most terrifying

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encounter with one of these things. Do you want me

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to that.

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Yeah, I would be well before we get into that.

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So were there any other ways that it had affected

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how how you hunt? Besides looking over your your shoulder?

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Did you start to notice things when you're out there,

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like anything out of the ordinary. They're like, well, maybe

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that's connected to bigfoot as well.

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I started looking for tracks, you know, I started looking

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in being more of asersion.

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I'm a tracker.

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So trappers, by by their very nature, very little with buying. Uh.

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If they if they're looking for fox tracks, they're looking

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for fox tracks, and they you'd be surprised. I can

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track it in the bear dirt I'm a good tracker,

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but was never the custom they're looking for bigfoot tracks.

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But I saw a lot of tracks over the course

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of years that I thought were just big bear tracks

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and now off to wonder because you know, they have

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the tow pattern that would be similar depending on the

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topography of where they stpth, you know, And I think

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a lot there's a lot of misidentification of bigfoot tracks

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that are in fact hind foots the bears, or double

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step bear tracks double step meaning one bear track steps

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in another bear crack and to.

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Make sure look longer, wider or whatever.

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And so but I'm very astute in that in that

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realm of looking for tracks, as far as looking for

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scat or broken branches, I never give that much thought.

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Now I have even forgot about that too.

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I'm it's talking to you structures.

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I've seen some things on Bigfoot Expedition Bigfoot They're talking

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about nests and structures and stuff, and I actually run

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across to structures and I have a picture with my

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buddy standing inside of one, and it's and that was

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the experience we were I think we were putting bear

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bait in and that's when I actually cast the track

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was in the spring of a year.

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I said to him. I said, well it smoke.

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Stop the truck, I said, big grizzly come down across

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the road. Well, it wasn't a big grizz it was

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a big foot. And so I ended up a cast

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the track the next day, and that's the cast I

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still have today in my possession. But I've seen lots

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of tracks, a lot better casting tracks too. But I

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don't carry plaster or pairs with me when I'm out,

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so I don't sure. Yeah, you know I'm not gonna

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walk away four miles to cast the big foot track,

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you know absolutely.

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I mean that that is very heavy stuff to carry

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in addition to everything you're carrying as a hunter. How

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how long was that track that you had casted?

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It was about eight and a half inches wide and

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eighteen and a half inches long. Oh wow, nice.

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Okay, yeah, that's a good one.

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And we trailed it, I said domice I said, look

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at it, what grass?

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You can see where it went down through there?

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His prince, he was coming down a slope, I would say,

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about a seven degree slope off of a ninety three angle. Anyhow,

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a flight slope off the road and His tracks were

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seventy two inches apart. I put a ruler on it

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from mid from the one track the middle of one

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track to the middle of the track, I cast with

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seventy two inches one more. He had two more steps

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across the road, and then he went down through a

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bunch of juniverse with some grass that was about an

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inches tall, nice thick grass, great grazing grass for animals.

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He went down through there you could see the prince

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because he had crossed. He must have crossed after we

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went up, that is what I think. And coming back

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down the road later when we saw the track, we

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followed it down and he went down to the creek.

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The creek was, I would say, and this.

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Is interesting, this is really interesting.

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I'd say the crick.

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Was probably was running high because of the snowmil I'd

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say it was sixteen seventeen inches wide at that point.

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And you could see where he stepped on the willows

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turned the rock and then he jumped.

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He must have jump.

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And I'm a gold miner, so I'm used to looking

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in creek beds. And there was only one rough disturbing.

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It was about three feet from the other bank, and

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it got flipped and It was a rock, probably about

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twenty pounds, and then you could see where he went

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up and he took a game trail right up over

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the hilk. You could see the tracks right there, but

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I never thought to go over there. I didn't want

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to get wet. All I had was hunting boots on.

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I didn't want to across the creeks though, But yeah,

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I eventually cast that track the following day.

466
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.480
That's incredible. So six foot six foot?

467
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.960
Uh you said seventy yeah, six foot And how would

468
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.680
you describe the gate of what you were looking at

469
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:25.920
when you were following the tracks.

470
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:27.680
Straight like a cat? Okay, your follow a mountain line

471
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:31.359
is straight line, B line, you know, and that's that's

472
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:35.359
what this was. One foot uh uh, you know, like

473
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.319
a white man walks like a book. In an Indian

474
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:44.480
a walk straight line, more like an Indian. It's fascinating.

475
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.599
Yeah, so you were you were definitely starting to notice

476
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:55.720
things in addition to your normal normal hunting. I am

477
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.680
really interested to hear about what happened that opening day

478
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.160
of Old Deer season in twenty fourteen.

479
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.240
Well, that was the most scarious day in my life.

480
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:13.119
What happened is starting in August I usually get.

481
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:17.880
Up in the high country Nyglass for trophy bucks in

482
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.359
lo and behold this one year I.

483
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:22.079
Spouted three trophy bucks.

484
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.839
And then the one day in late August or no,

485
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:31.400
it was late September, actually, I spouted I s wanted

486
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.440
the same three bucks. They would come out. I had him.

487
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.119
I had them pattern pretty good. I'd go up once

488
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:39.599
a week and i'd last before daylight about a mile

489
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.920
and a half away, and I'm watched these bucks and anyhow,

490
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.079
here's some just an absolute phenomenal book.

491
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.160
These bucks were big.

492
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.920
They were all over thirty inch inside spreads. And this

493
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.640
buck that came up behind him was probably thirty eight

494
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.480
and with teeters he was well over forty four inches.

495
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.039
Why I mean, he was a hog.

496
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.400
He was. He was in the top Patchelana the record

497
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.599
books to believe me. And I said, wow, I know

498
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.400
where I'm going to first dasses, I'm not going to

499
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.319
bother him anymore. I got this pattern. I got to

500
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:12.799
be there.

501
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.160
So when the I hunt trophy bucks, I don't use

502
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:16.799
the flashlight.

503
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.680
You see people all the time using headlamps to get

504
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.240
to where they're going. On If you're going to use

505
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.160
a headlamp, these trophy bucks. They're sitting up there on

506
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:28.440
their feet and they see a head lamp. They already

507
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.359
know that jig's up, so they get into hiding right away.

508
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.119
And all you're doing to see in small bucks. The

509
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:38.119
big ones are still there anyhow. So I walk up

510
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.000
this trail. This trail is about a two mile jaunt

511
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.480
up into where these bucks come out in this meadow.

512
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.480
So I had a buddy from Pennsylvania come with me.

513
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.440
He came and I said, well, we'll use the lights

514
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.599
on the valley because there's no way they can see

515
00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.880
down in there, and then once we get up around

516
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:02.799
the corner, its lights off. So we did and got

517
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.480
up there, and I told him where to go. I

518
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.680
was to just fall, and this was walking in a

519
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:10.319
horse trail. I said, just go over there, about three

520
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:11.799
quarters of a mile. You're just going to see a

521
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:16.920
group of aspen trees. You stand there, get into the

522
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.480
brush a little bit. Just stand there and take it easy,

523
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.799
and these bucks are going to come out between me

524
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.599
and you, and if you shoot, you know they're going

525
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.680
to run up toward me and something's going to happen.

526
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.400
One of them's going to be laying on the ground.

527
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.079
So we had a plan. I went up this draw.

528
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.960
I didn't want to go out in the meadow because

529
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.480
possibly there'd be out there or anything else out in

530
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:46.079
the meadal feeding before daylight, and they would scare these animals.

531
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:49.079
So I said, I'll stay out of there till shooting light.

532
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.799
So I go up in this draw off to the

533
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.079
left of this meadow. Been in that draw a dozen times.

534
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.200
I knew that, knew my way around. Got up in

535
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.400
there and I just took the gun off my shoulder,

536
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.359
prompted the anst the tree and I'm standing there, looked

537
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.359
at my watch. You press a button on the watch.

538
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:12.160
It said twenty after six. I said, well, I got

539
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.319
about twenty minutes and then I'm going to work my

540
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.839
way over get out. I know where I'm going to

541
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.640
be in the middle and cover. So I'm standing there

542
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.079
and all of us I heard a stick, just like

543
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:31.359
a small stick a quarter inch around, and I said, well,

544
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.480
there's something there. And it was probably eighty yards for me,

545
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.759
maybe one hundred yards.

546
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.000
And I couldn't see anything.

547
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.720
It was pitch dark. I don't have a light on.

548
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.960
I'm just standing there in the dark. This thing, this

549
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:54.960
animal screams so loud and then roars and then growls

550
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.920
at me, all without taking a breath in this hole.

551
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:05.279
Situation lasted probably eight to ten seconds. It was just amazing.

552
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.599
But it was so loud it about blew me over.

553
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.559
I mean, when you were a kid, kids couldn't relate

554
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:18.079
to this. And you went to a dance, you'd go

555
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:20.719
and if you got too close to the stage, the

556
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:25.239
speakers would reverberate right through your chest. That's what this was.

557
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.159
And I said, and I knew better that it was

558
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.559
nothing in nature that could do that.

559
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.159
There's no way. The volume was too great. I jumped.

560
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.800
I'm a small person, I'm five eight, but I jumped

561
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.920
four feet off and I was scared of death. I

562
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.920
grabbed my gun. I ran out into the meadow that

563
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.000
as far as I the heck with the deer. I

564
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.519
ran out in that meadow because I figured this thing

565
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:53.360
was coming after me.

566
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:55.480
I ran out.

567
00:34:55.320 --> 00:35:03.079
There, probably about eighty yards into the middle. It's wide open,

568
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.039
just a little bit of sage brush. And I said, well,

569
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.639
if that thing comes out and it's coming after me,

570
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:11.719
it's going to have five shots in it.

571
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:13.519
Because I'm a.

572
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:19.000
Pretty good shot. I don't miss very much. And for

573
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.079
the first time, in my life, which is I broke

574
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.559
the cardinal rule. I put my safety off my gun.

575
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:29.000
I was so scared to death, and I was ready.

576
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.079
I said, I'm not going to bunk you around. I

577
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.400
was ready. I had my safety off my gun and

578
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.280
I didn't have nothing to do that. And I've never

579
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.159
done that, and I've never done it since. But I

580
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.760
was scared to death. And the thing never moved that

581
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:48.440
I know of, until about ten minutes later, and I

582
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:53.280
heard three little pine sticks. I don't think they were

583
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.599
a quarter inch, but I could hear it moving up

584
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:02.079
the draw. It would have asked about forty to fifty

585
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.719
feet from where I was standing. I could tell. I

586
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.800
could listen to it walking, but I couldn't see down

587
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.440
in there, because, like I told you, it was a ravine. Now,

588
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:16.519
why did this animal scream? I asked myself that question. Well,

589
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.280
the deal is is until the sun comes up and

590
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:25.079
warms the hillsides, the thermals run downhill. That's why hunters

591
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:29.159
time and time again make a mistake. They always walked

592
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.920
the top of the hills before the sun's up and

593
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.239
warms the basin. Well, if you do that, everything down slope,

594
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.599
he knows you're up there. They don't have to see you.

595
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.480
This bigfoot wasn't going to go out in that meadow.

596
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:45.079
He was crossing over. He was doing the same thing

597
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.559
I was doing, using that ravine for cover, except there

598
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.239
I was. And then he got a whip of me.

599
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.000
So I scared him for her as what happened, And

600
00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:01.119
that's why this screen and then that roar was I'll react,

601
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.599
I think to get mad, and Nagraul was I'm coming

602
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.840
through and get out of my way. To me, That's

603
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.280
the way I interpreted it and believed me. I got

604
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:13.960
out of his way as fast as my little legs

605
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.840
can run. I run right out in that metal and

606
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:18.960
up over the bank of the ravine and out in

607
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.840
the meadle. But that was the scariest encounter in my life.

608
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.800
And to add to add to that, that was about

609
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.239
four and a half to five miles from where my

610
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.760
first encounter happened. And the track I cast was directly

611
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.519
in the middle of those two encounters, down next to

612
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.119
the road. So it's interesting, you know, to.

613
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:45.679
Say the least.

614
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.159
And my buddy that years later, a matter of fact,

615
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:53.679
only about five years ago, came out human and I

616
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.760
told it the same metal. I said you stand here.

617
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.960
I'm going to make a mile and a half two

618
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.480
miles pass through member here if there's something in there,

619
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.000
all booted out across the middle. Well, when I got

620
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.239
out there, he broke my cardinal rule. He wasn't where

621
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:12.679
I told him to be, And I thought, where the

622
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.199
hell is done at? And God was no where to

623
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:18.880
be found. I thought, well, I'm going to walk up

624
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:21.519
to the top and get a better view. Maybe I

625
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.440
can see him the spot him someplace. I walked up

626
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.840
to the top and here he comes, and he's all excited.

627
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.440
I says, what'd you see? What'd you see? He says,

628
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:31.920
you got to come down here, You got to come

629
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.000
down here. I found a big foot track. I said,

630
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.920
what jah? He says, I found a big foot track.

631
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.440
So he was up there looking for me because he

632
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.320
was so excited about the big foot track. So he

633
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.400
says to me, he said, you got the laster of

634
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.280
Paris in your truck, Go down and get it. I says,

635
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.599
it's three three miles down at from where this big

636
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.480
foot track is. You want the track cast, you go

637
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.159
down because I got to walk three miles back. That's

638
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.360
six miles. Now he wants me walked well, in no way.

639
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.320
But anyhow, we took pictures there. He took pictures of

640
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.440
this track and by footprint and all that. Now that

641
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:07.800
was a.

642
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.719
Smaller track, but it had the toes.

643
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.760
It was a perfect track to gas. It was in uh, well,

644
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:19.639
it must have rained or something, and it was it

645
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.519
was in some mud there and it had crossed the

646
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.199
trail and just left the perfect point.

647
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.239
But it was about well, I took a dollar bill.

648
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.239
I think I measured the dollar bill there on that track,

649
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.320
and I think it was sixteen and a quarter inches

650
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.599
long and about six inches wide. But it was bare barefoot.

651
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.760
It was, I mean you you actually could see lines

652
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.079
in it. I guess they call them ridges or whatever

653
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:44.840
they call them, but you could see it in there.

654
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.159
It was a perfect tractic cask but out about the

655
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:51.159
wall twelve miles to cast a big foot track. But

656
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:55.440
that that was the that was the most scarious incident anyhow,

657
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.320
my big foot encounters. But I've got I've got a

658
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.000
few more and a little closer.

659
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:06.280
So yeah, so far, everything that you've you've said all

660
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:11.320
happens relatively close around this Palisades reservoir.

661
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:16.000
Right, yeah, exactly, And I know where they cross I've

662
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.280
seen I've seen twenty tracks across the dirt road in

663
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:25.280
this one spot big tracks. If you go there, invariably

664
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.880
you will in that one hundred yard section run across

665
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:32.079
big foot tracks a crossing this dirt road, and it's

666
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.199
it's they got to swim in the reservoir to get

667
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:35.159
to the other side.

668
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.639
But it's a it's a probably.

669
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.159
Five hundred and fifty yards across there, and they go

670
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:48.000
right down that steep bank and that's they go right

671
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:48.480
down there.

672
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:53.199
I assume that they cross the reservoir and go over.

673
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.880
Into the timber because there's nothing on this side other

674
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.719
than rocks and a few junipers and buck brush that

675
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.360
there's nothing there for him, you know. So, but that's

676
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:06.480
where they go. They go down there, and they cross

677
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:10.440
that every time. Every time you can look there, and

678
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.199
if you look there and you traveled that road every

679
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:18.599
day in the course of a from I would say

680
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.719
mid May to mid October, you're going to see big

681
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.440
foot tracks probably two or three times in there. Wow.

682
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:28.320
That's that's incredible.

683
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.360
And I'm not the only one that's seen it seen

684
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:32.800
them there.

685
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.360
You've heard other people that I've also I.

686
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.039
Know personally other people their sons.

687
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:40.800
They've run.

688
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.119
Actually, they they got scared out of their fishing. One

689
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:46.760
time they took a boat across and they got scared

690
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.800
out of there and things were haulerned at them. So

691
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:51.320
they had to get in a boat and leave right

692
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:52.000
before dark.

693
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.559
Oh wow, it's it's crazy how this is also pretty

694
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.480
close to the Wyoming border, right.

695
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:02.800
Yes it is. Wyoming is at the upper end of Dallas.

696
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.039
Day's reservoirs want valleys at the lower end. You know,

697
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.400
the breastworks the dam.

698
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:16.159
Itself, right, you know, I've I've heard some bigfoot vocalizations

699
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:19.920
in Oregon. I know what it did to me physically

700
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:26.800
when you heard those? Did you have any physical reactions?

701
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.599
I guess you did. Mention that it was like you

702
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.599
were standing too close to speakers at a concert. Did

703
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:36.360
it affect you in any other ways as well? Or

704
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:37.199
is that the main way?

705
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:43.519
It just scared me. I couldn't normally for three or

706
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:45.400
four years, I had to stay out in the open

707
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:48.440
where I could see. Normally, I go right in no

708
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:51.960
timber and still I love to stay and I sneak

709
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.719
up on animals all the time. But after that, I

710
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.840
think I actually have to mean I stayed out in

711
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.280
the open where I could see if something was coming.

712
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.239
I just because I humped by myself a lot. Sure,

713
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:06.320
So I just.

714
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:08.719
Be honest with you.

715
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.920
I was scared and it took me a few years

716
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:17.159
to get over. But yeah, I've had in this year.

717
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:20.800
Let me see how far would it be as the

718
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.639
crow flies about a mile and a half I would

719
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.639
have met maybe yeah, about a mile and three quarters

720
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.079
from where my accounter happened, and the Bigfoot have been

721
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.679
gone over next country. But I can tell you stories

722
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.199
of outfitters that have had clients that paid a lot

723
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.119
of money to go on and they wanted to leave

724
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:41.400
the first day because they right where I put my

725
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:45.639
friend by the aspen trees. They were there the first

726
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:51.159
day elk season and Bigfoot started throwing stuff at them.

727
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.519
And these these guys uh there from out of state.

728
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.519
They got so scared, so we don't care what we

729
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:01.039
want to leave now went back and that they want

730
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.800
to off. The outfitter came back with his group of honors,

731
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.039
and these guys they said, we're out of here. We

732
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.239
don't want nothing to do to this place, and so

733
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.639
they forfeitted their money and the outfitter took them out. Oh,

734
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.639
my goodness. Wow.

735
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:19.360
And and you know I'm not a.

736
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.079
A huge you know, I'm not a huge outdoors guy.

737
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.639
So but I from what I've heard from people, like,

738
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.880
if you're paying to go on something like that, it's

739
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:33.159
usually at least I mean, it's a it's a good

740
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:34.599
amount of money to forfeit.

741
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.000
Yes, yes, yeah, they forfeitted their feet. They were supposed

742
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.719
to spend a week there, and they forfeited it. They

743
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:43.480
said no more.

744
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.880
We went out. They were scared to death.

745
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.840
And and for it's funny when these when bigfoot or

746
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.719
more than one, which I can't substantiate, move into an area, uh,

747
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:03.000
it seems like the game leaves. I went back up

748
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:08.840
and there looking around after that encounter, when the snow hit,

749
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.400
I said, I'm going to go up and take pictures

750
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.000
into the animal tracks, this big foot track, and I said,

751
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.199
he's up in there. I'm sure of it. Well, I

752
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.639
know every inch of that country. I never run across

753
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.559
the big foot track. But you know what was funny.

754
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.840
I never ran across the deer track or an elk track,

755
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.280
or a bear track or a mountain track.

756
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.840
And that is.

757
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:40.280
Well, it's weird, it's not I've never seen that and

758
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.360
I covered and miles. Okay, the only thing I saw

759
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.880
was a couple of Pine Martin tracks and a red

760
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.960
squirrel track and all that. I didn't even see a

761
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.599
grouse track in the roseate entries. The first snow, there

762
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.400
should have been tracks all over. It was a perfect

763
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:01.119
day and I didn't see anything. Nothing. The place was dead.

764
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.840
It was like I was the only living creature in

765
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:04.480
ten miles.

766
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.639
That's really interesting. Did it affect the sounds of the

767
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:10.360
forest as well when you're out there?

768
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.719
I can't I honestly I didn't say. But on that

769
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.559
snowy day, there wasn't a sound there was, there was nothing.

770
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.840
I was the only living creature in that area.

771
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.480
No moose tracks, no elk tracks, no dear tract.

772
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.880
Unbelievable. I'm just unbelievable. And I mean I know where

773
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.079
to look and I know where to go, and when

774
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.239
you don't see anything, you know, no beds, no nothing.

775
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:39.719
It was devoid.

776
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.920
And the outfitter that had that place up there saw

777
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:48.000
me beaver Trap and several years later, I don't know

778
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.840
what they call bear Creek, he was coming out with

779
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.320
a string up in that horses and removing his camp

780
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:57.599
and hey, I know who you are, and he recognized

781
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:02.000
my trucking. So we started talking and he told me

782
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.280
a couple of big Foot stories and that was pretty interesting.

783
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:07.559
But he told me, he says, I can't figure out

784
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.480
why there's no animals up there in this one area.

785
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.159
I says, well, that's because Bigfoot moved in. And when

786
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.559
I said that, he just looked at me. Funny. He says,

787
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.880
you actually believe that stuff. I says, I never did

788
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.719
until it happened to me and I was seeing it.

789
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:24.719
But you know what, I got to tell you one

790
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:30.360
thing about that first incident you in mind that I

791
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.320
don't know how to explain it, but that first incantent

792
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:37.400
that happened to me with the chipmunk and the crackers

793
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:41.360
and the big Foot and George Sleep and uh, my

794
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.920
memory wiped that out for years until I had a

795
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.679
horse accident and it broke my neck.

796
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.159
And when it did, well, I'm lucky.

797
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.599
To be alive and not a pair of pleader to

798
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.800
believe me, because put my see one clean across vertebrae

799
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:04.159
and uh that traumatic injury. My daughter came over to

800
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.000
the hospital. They thought I was going to whatever, you know,

801
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:12.719
but I pulled through and I don't know what brought

802
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:18.360
it up, but she mentioned that first bigfoot encounter and

803
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.320
I had forgotten about it, but I had told her

804
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.000
about it, you know, and she reminded me, and then

805
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.239
it all came back. There's a bell, and I remember

806
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.199
there's a bell today, But for a period of probably

807
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.519
eight years or ten years, I forgot completely about that.

808
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:42.679
It was removed from my from my memory. I don't

809
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.480
ask me how why I don't. I can't explain it.

810
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:52.360
But the the really scary one up there, the old deer, Honey,

811
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.840
that one I never forgot. So I can't explain that.

812
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.239
But yeah, that that was funny about that first encounter.

813
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.760
And then in that same area I had another encounter.

814
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.639
And I remember I mentioned about you asked me about

815
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:14.760
the lamas, right, and so we had three lamas, my son,

816
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:23.000
uh he was there, Dave Junior, and my daughter and uh,

817
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.639
I think there was one other person in there at

818
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.880
that time. I think I think it was waiting. And anyhow,

819
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.719
we were camped there intense and it was just getting

820
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:40.960
dusk and there was branches and it sounded like a

821
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.239
freight train coming through the woods. And I said, oh,

822
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:48.400
you guys, get your guns. There's our help coming. The

823
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:55.519
lamas normally winning like horses when they're scared, and they

824
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.559
would have normally just opened up and it would they

825
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.719
make these shrill, old sounding winnies, I guess you'd call them.

826
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.800
But they just had their ears perked up and they

827
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.519
were looking right at that steep bank right across from

828
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:15.760
our camp. Well, this, this animal, which I thought was

829
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.559
a group of animals, stopped right across from the lamas

830
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:24.559
on a sidehill that had a seventy degrees slope, seventy

831
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.119
five degree slope, almost a cliff. Stop, just stop, never

832
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:33.000
moved to turn dark. I said, well, I don't know

833
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.679
what's going on. And a couple of times I looked

834
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.559
over there and I thought I saw dark spots, but

835
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:43.199
at that time of night, shade in the pine trees

836
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:47.239
makes dark spots, so I just dismissed it. Well, about

837
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:53.360
one in the morning. Being an old fellow, you have

838
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.400
to get up and do your business. So I was

839
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.079
going to get up. I turned a little pen light on,

840
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.880
and when I turned a pen light on, something went

841
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:14.000
right by the tents. It wasn't a hoofed animal that

842
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.119
I can that I can swear to now, whether it

843
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.719
was a bigfoot or not, I don't know, but it

844
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.079
was big and it pounded the ground and when it

845
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:27.400
ran up that trail, it went thump thump, thumb, thump,

846
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:32.039
thump thump going up that trail. I don't know what

847
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:38.800
it was, but I believe it was a bigfoot because

848
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.480
it was on two legs. It wasn't a four leged animal.

849
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.639
I know, darn well it wasn't. So that that happened,

850
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.800
and that's right in the same area. Just you know,

851
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.360
so there was a lot of activity right around that

852
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:57.840
area in the timeframe of about three to seven years.

853
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.199
There were just they were there. The fellow was to it.

854
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.880
They were there, and the shattered that I heard, George,

855
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:10.599
and I, uh, you know, I've never heard that since.

856
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:15.480
And I've never heard a scream or a roar or

857
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:21.559
a growl like that since. But what happened, Well, you

858
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.119
said you want to go on chronicle logical order, but

859
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.119
maybe I had to cover southeast iideah first, is that?

860
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:29.159
Okay, yeah, go ahead.

861
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.480
Well last year I'm hunt Elk about a mile and

862
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:39.480
a half away from there, and I'm up up and

863
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.679
there I look over and nur's some hunters over there.

864
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:44.800
They always glass this one spot. If they listen to this,

865
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:49.079
they know exactly who they are and they know who's

866
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.800
said talking here. But anyhow, i'd go up in there,

867
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:56.440
and how can I call it too bold? But I

868
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.039
couldn't see their heads and they were with dows. So

869
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.199
you know, you just don't shooting once you're shoot your target.

870
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:07.079
So I didn't shoot, but never did get the bulls.

871
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.440
But I went up higher on the mountain. I looked

872
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:13.519
at it, said, wow, look at that green grass. There

873
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.639
must be some water over there. Well, there was. There's

874
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.559
a spring seat there, and I'm on a deck country

875
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:21.679
for since nineteen eighty seven. I've never known that spring

876
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:26.280
seat to be there. And it's thick. It's a pool

877
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:33.360
of water, probably twenty five feet long by twelve feet wide.

878
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.000
And I walked down. I'm looking for elk and deer tracks.

879
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.559
There was a lion track there, There was a bear

880
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.800
track there. There was one pretty nice buck track there

881
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:48.280
that I spotted, and there was numerous elkbeds around in

882
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:52.199
the tracks, and you could smell elk there. And I'm

883
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.840
standing there and I looked down at my foot. I'm

884
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:58.719
looking for tracks, and I'm standing on some word ground

885
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.039
I look and there's.

886
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:00.719
A big foot track.

887
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.320
It's probably seventeen It wasn't as big as when I cast,

888
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:10.639
but close seventeen inch class bigfoot track. I'm standing right

889
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:12.719
in the middle of it. I said, ah, right, So.

890
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.280
I didn't even see it, but I took a photograph.

891
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.679
And then I looked in the mud hole and I said, hey,

892
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.960
there's this track going in the mudhole. They're in the

893
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.079
spring seat. So I said, well, I'm going to take

894
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:25.960
a picture of it. And then I say, I see

895
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.800
where he came out of the spring seat. There's another track.

896
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.519
So I took a picture, and I took it down

897
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.480
to Walmart and i'd hope falls to get developed. And

898
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:38.480
there's this girl I'm not good on. That's kind of

899
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:40.440
stop it. Just can you help me get these developments?

900
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:45.679
And she says and she says, why why did you

901
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:47.960
lay down in that mudhole?

902
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:49.280
I said, what are you talking about?

903
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:54.119
Well, she says, there's the outline right there, a person

904
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.360
laying in that mudd hole. Well, there's a perfect picture

905
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:00.800
right there of a big foot lane in that muddle.

906
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:03.880
I never even noticed it when I was there. I

907
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:06.400
was just taking a picture of the tracks, and.

908
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:07.119
That was last year.

909
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:11.480
That was last so it was third day, third day ECUs,

910
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:14.159
I believe it was third day, so that had been

911
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.159
what the eighteenth of over next year. And I would

912
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:22.440
say those that where he laid down in there and

913
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.960
his arms and legs are there, his own heads there,

914
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.639
the whole bit. No neck, it's all right there. It's

915
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:32.880
in the photographs. I got the photographs. Big coffee.

916
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:38.960
So anyhow, uh sorry, I could I think, Dave, can

917
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.119
I jump in for a minute that that's kind of

918
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.880
a really that's a huge deal, like a really really

919
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:44.400
big deal.

920
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:47.719
Yeah, so I never even noticed it.

921
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:48.679
That's wild.

922
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.159
It's it's like the kind of like this you've heard

923
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.480
you met actually you mentioned earlier the scuom cast is

924
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:55.480
kind of similar to that, but a little different.

925
00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:00.320
Well, this puts the scook them cast to change. Oh yeah,

926
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.280
I'm telling you, I just don't know who to give

927
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:03.480
it to.

928
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.719
You know. I called Meldrum over.

929
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.880
There, because I've met Jeff a couple of times over

930
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:14.519
you know, at Pocatello there at the university, but he

931
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:16.360
hasn't replied to me. I told him what I had

932
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.960
and he hasn't replied to me. So I don't know

933
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:21.599
who else to give it to. Maybe I'll send it

934
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:23.679
to you. You can do something with it.

935
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:25.840
I would love to take a look at it if

936
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:29.440
you if you would be open to to sending over

937
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.840
h you know however, you can do that.

938
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.719
Yeah, sure, I'll send send.

939
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.920
I made two copies of the eight by ten's so

940
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:41.679
you can see it. You'll see it. It's it's so obvious,

941
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.519
the big long arms. He laid right down in the thing.

942
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:48.719
And uh, well, of course, you know in October, who's

943
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.320
gonna lay in a spring seep with an average water

944
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:55.360
temperature of about thirty eight degrees you know, now, I figure,

945
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:59.280
uh he did that the last part of September for

946
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.559
the first part of October. But you can see the outline.

947
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:06.119
It's all muddy, you know what I mean. Uh, cloudy

948
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.559
is what I'm to say. But it was weeks before

949
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:13.760
you know, I got there. But yeah, the tracks are

950
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:17.239
right there. I'll send you the photographs after we're done.

951
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:19.599
Yeah, I appreciate that. I'd love to love to take

952
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:21.199
a look at it. That would be great.

953
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.960
Oh yeah, yeah, you'll you'll you'll be shocked. And this

954
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.280
isn't uh I don't know what they call him doctor

955
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.880
or anything. Like that. I just took the picture. Like

956
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.000
I said, I didn't even see the outline. The woman

957
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.360
in Walmart, she's the one to come in and I said,

958
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:41.280
holy smokes, look what and I flipped out.

959
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:42.760
I said, Wow, I really got something.

960
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.920
So I went to a guy that uh actually cast

961
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:52.440
my cast for me and I showed him. He says, well,

962
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.119
that's no, that's no animal. It has to be bigfoot.

963
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.920
Look at the footprints. I said, yeah, look at the footprints,

964
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.280
one in and one out. And that footprint was probably

965
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:10.239
i'd say about four and a half I'd say about

966
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:15.679
fifty two inches maybe fifty eight inches from where it

967
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.679
laid down in the water. Wow, laid down water.

968
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:24.679
Yeah, you'll see. I'll send it you.

969
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:29.440
You can measure the outline of the animal is probably

970
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:37.199
about seven and a half feet maybe eight sure, wow, yeah,

971
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:42.480
but it's there. It's obviously. I mean, anybody's got two

972
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.360
eyeballs in front, we can tell what it is. Gotcha.

973
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:51.159
Gotcha the question I had real quick. So I've talked

974
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.440
to a few guys from Montana, which, sure, it was

975
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:57.280
kind of in the same area up there, right kind of.

976
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:05.519
And I was here a lot of really interesting accounts

977
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:10.800
where I mean truth a kind of vicious. But from

978
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:13.719
down in this area, everything that you've experienced, and you've

979
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:15.760
kind of been told a lot of stories as well,

980
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.800
do you feel that there's any of them that would

981
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.079
also fit that or does it kind of sound like

982
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:24.440
maybe they're just trying to get people out of their

983
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:26.000
area in different ways.

984
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.960
Well, first of all, the one that scared me, I

985
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:32.519
scared its is bad. Sure, I believe that. I mean, uh,

986
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:38.280
I've had encounters in where I go gold mining my

987
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:42.119
Elk City, Idaho, in north central Idaho. I've had a

988
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:47.119
couple of encounters up there, seeing tracks played around with rocks,

989
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:52.639
and the actually came down and put a rock up

990
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:56.199
on my rocks. But it hasn't been back for three

991
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:59.519
or four years. But I've never had a problem with them.

992
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:02.519
And the one thing that intrigues me though, I think

993
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:06.760
I don't know why, I can't explain it, but I

994
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:10.360
think once a person sees a bigfoot, they are very

995
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:15.719
likely to have more encounters. Ah. And I don't know why,

996
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:23.480
but I feel that these creatures, animals, humanoids, whatever people

997
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:27.960
think they are, once they encounter a human being and

998
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.920
there's no adverse reaction, I.

999
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.639
Think they don't mind showing themselves person.

1000
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:41.039
I live on the last ranch up of Township Road

1001
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:48.039
National Force between me and Jackson, Wyoming, and I know

1002
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.960
they're up in the mountains, and I know that they

1003
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.920
probably sit there and watch me down here. Because the

1004
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:57.880
ranch go about my chores and everything. They don't bother me,

1005
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.920
and I don't bother them. Always said I wanted to

1006
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:04.119
get a DNA sample, I'd shoot one in the arm

1007
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:09.559
or something. I've changed my mind. I really unless want

1008
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:12.239
to tax me. I'm good, leven go.

1009
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.400
You know what was it that made you change in

1010
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:16.639
your mind from doing that?

1011
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.679
Well, I've had I had a deal up in Elk

1012
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.599
City where I got up again to relieve myself. I

1013
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:30.800
remember there was we were camping. There was twenty miners

1014
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.559
there twenty miners in this camp site. It was called

1015
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:40.559
Legate Creeks. I waited fourteen out of Grainville, headed toward

1016
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:43.719
help City. I got up and it was like twenty

1017
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.079
after four four thirty. I had a coon hound with me,

1018
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:53.440
the young pup. Anyhow, she got out and did her business,

1019
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:54.960
ran around a little bit, and all of a sudden,

1020
01:01:55.000 --> 01:02:00.320
I'm doing my business and a crack I felt, what

1021
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:08.360
didn't the heck. And it was over above the access road,

1022
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:13.400
coming in there, up on a sheer cliff, no less.

1023
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:16.000
And I said, oh, it must have been a tree

1024
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:19.760
fell over the cliff or something hit the rocks and

1025
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.920
broke up, because it caught me off guard, you know,

1026
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.679
and I'm sleeping. But anyhow, I all of a sudden

1027
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:32.599
it cracks again. But it's coming right above everybody's tents

1028
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:36.360
and campers and everything else. I went down to two buddies.

1029
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:43.039
They were from California. They can verify this, and I said, hey,

1030
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.800
you guys gotta there's a big foot here. Well, every

1031
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:48.039
night before I go to bed, i'd whoop and we

1032
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.159
tell stories. I tell them about what happened down there,

1033
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:54.000
and they they just dismiss it. You know, you have

1034
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:59.480
a few beers and then go to bed. Anyhow, this

1035
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:01.519
thing must have heard me whooping and decided to come

1036
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:06.039
over and direct me out. So it's another crack. These

1037
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:08.280
guys get scared, and I said, we're going into tent.

1038
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:11.559
This thing's coming right down here. If I ran up,

1039
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:17.159
I got my tent. Mean a dog, this thing, this bigfoot,

1040
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.159
and the tracks were right there. You couldn't mistake them.

1041
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.119
Big one, a big one like the one up that

1042
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:27.000
I made the cast of. Anyhow, it comes down and

1043
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.440
it makes two more cracks, and one is forty yards

1044
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:33.920
from my tent. All of a sudden it comes down

1045
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:39.280
and stands, and it stands less than five feet from

1046
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:44.159
my tent. This is what I determined when I woke

1047
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:50.360
up in the morning. Well, I actually didn't even sleep

1048
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:55.599
after that. When I got up, I should say, and

1049
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:59.679
I could hear breathing. I could hear breathing. It sounded

1050
01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:05.159
like a person breathing that had a had asthma or something,

1051
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:09.079
you know, a problem with their lung capacity or whatever.

1052
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:13.880
Because it was a car right, almost like a grizzly bear.

1053
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:16.280
When a grizzly barre will come up to your tent,

1054
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.320
you'll hear them, you know, sort of like a huff

1055
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:25.760
type deal. You hear him breathing. And uh, anyhow, that's

1056
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:28.760
what this this was. And me and the dog was

1057
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:30.760
in the sleeping bag. I said, don't I had my

1058
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.360
hand over a moulet, and don't make a noise. And

1059
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.199
I'm listening to the thing and it's still there for

1060
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:41.559
I don't know, four minutes probably, and walked off. Next

1061
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:44.400
morning or well that morning, A couple hours later, I

1062
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.199
got up and everybody started pulling out of the tents.

1063
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:52.159
I went down to Ronnie's and got some coffee. I said, well,

1064
01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:54.760
the thing was there. He says, well, yeah, it's there

1065
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:56.039
left tracks.

1066
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:58.840
I said, well, yeah, I suppose. Well, the grass was

1067
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:01.280
about twenty twenty.

1068
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.920
Inches high, probably to put up. There was this trash

1069
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.159
you could see right where he stood five feet from

1070
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:10.679
my tent and walked off. So that was one encounter

1071
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:14.440
up by elk sitting and here three years ago, I

1072
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:17.800
walked the dog every morning, give her exercise after I

1073
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.719
feed her. Then I take a cup of coffee with me,

1074
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:23.320
and I looked for Elkin deer tracks, and every once

1075
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:27.679
in a while it was seeing occasional moves. Well here

1076
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.320
I think it was three years ago. I looked and

1077
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:33.039
there was a big foot tractice playing his day. But

1078
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:35.639
unfortunately I had a different truck. I didn't have no

1079
01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:38.000
plaster of Paris. It was a big track too. It

1080
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:42.199
was probably close to eighteen inches by eight inches wine

1081
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.599
it had crossed the road right there. There's three games

1082
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.519
trails right where I camped. And it woke up well,

1083
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:50.599
I don't know which one. I walked up I went

1084
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:52.800
over there, but there was scoff marks because the deer

1085
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.800
use it and stuff. I couldn't tell which one it used.

1086
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.559
But yeah, down there by the road there there was

1087
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.280
the track on his day. You'd see the toes and

1088
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.840
everything in it. So that was the second deal up

1089
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:07.559
in the Elk City. And then the last one was

1090
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:11.639
up where I mine. There's a big rock there, and

1091
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:14.480
I don't know why, but I just put a round

1092
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.199
horse straw. Oh, I know. I was going to save

1093
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:18.079
it because it was pretty. I had a lot of

1094
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.880
mica in it, and so I was going to just

1095
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:25.039
save it. So I put it up there. And the

1096
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:27.320
next morning I went up there was a little horse

1097
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:31.320
rock sitting on top of my rock. And I looked

1098
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:36.440
at that, and I says, okay, who's who's screwing around here?

1099
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:36.800
You know?

1100
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:38.239
And so.

1101
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:46.039
I said, well, okay, I'll put another rock next to it. Well,

1102
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.679
the next morning I went up, there was another rock

1103
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.719
next to my rock. And that's the last that ever happened.

1104
01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:56.639
And there was never nothing, but I thought that was interesting.

1105
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:58.679
So I don't know what that was all about either,

1106
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:03.480
but it wasn't any body playing games because it's right

1107
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:05.960
next to the road. Nobody be on that clane and

1108
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.559
takes a chance being seen. So I think something across

1109
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:13.920
there and just decided to do that or play with

1110
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:17.480
me or something. I don't understand it. That's what happened.

1111
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:21.159
That's some some very strange uh stuff. And every once

1112
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:25.639
in a while you'll hear just strange, strange occurrences. I

1113
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:32.119
did want to ask you a question about the prospecting

1114
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:37.679
in those circles. Is bigfoot a thing that is talked

1115
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:41.039
about ever? You know, prospectors are out there and they

1116
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:44.719
have interactions, uh with something I thought.

1117
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.119
I would say yes and no, okay, to be honest

1118
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:48.639
with you.

1119
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:56.840
Yeah, Uh, some outfitters, some hunters, some outdoorsmen, some gold miners. Uh,

1120
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:01.760
all those stories to tell and and some don't believe it.

1121
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:04.639
It's like you know, it's uh, it's like every other

1122
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.760
aspect of life. Some people, well I never believe it

1123
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:12.000
until it happened to me. And there's nobody that's ever

1124
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:14.440
going to tell me that they're not out there, because

1125
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:17.760
I know I lived it. And once you, once you

1126
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:23.960
experienced it, uh, you know you once you experienced it,

1127
01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:27.279
it's uh, you experienced it and you just you just

1128
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:31.840
can't eliminate that experience from your from your you know,

1129
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:35.119
your meal awareness. You just can't do it, and it

1130
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:39.199
does affect your life. I think there's not a week

1131
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.279
goes by, I think, but I wonder if he's out

1132
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:45.880
there watching me here or when I go out, uh scouting.

1133
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:51.039
Uh you know, when you go scouting, there hasn't been

1134
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:54.279
anybody in the woods for a long time, all summer.

1135
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:56.720
So that's when I'm most conscious.

1136
01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:02.319
Once the hunters get involved, uh oh hunting gun season,

1137
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:07.680
then there's a lot of activity and these things, uh,

1138
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:13.560
they're more elusive at that period of time. So but

1139
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:17.560
I think when you start initially scouting early in the fall,

1140
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.880
when nobody's out there, I think you've got to be

1141
01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:22.399
on the ball. And you have to be on the

1142
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.720
ball for grizzlies now. Uh, you know, I've had a

1143
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:28.960
lot of entoures with grizzlies. I've had to spray him

1144
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:34.960
uh them within ten feet of me. Uh yeah, it's

1145
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:39.119
uh you've got to watch. So it's uh it's dangerous

1146
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:42.119
out there. So people that come from out east, they

1147
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:45.119
want to go and hike the west. We're going to

1148
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.279
realize there's there's a lot of a lot of danger

1149
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:53.359
out there. There's lions, bears, and there really is bigfoot.

1150
01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.880
So that's with that, I'd say I'd end in this

1151
01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:01.640
uh uh I here to answer any questions you want

1152
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:04.520
to ask me about anything, but everything I told you

1153
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:06.000
is room.

1154
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:07.039
Correct, absolutely.

1155
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:09.239
So that's what I can tell you.

1156
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:14.439
From what you've experienced over the years and what you've

1157
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:16.520
heard in your area.

1158
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:20.000
Do you have any.

1159
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:24.600
Thoughts about what it is what bigfoot might be in

1160
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.520
that particular area of Idaho. I guess the southeast section.

1161
01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:32.239
Well, I believe.

1162
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.520
First of all, I believe they follow the game herds

1163
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:44.319
because it seems like that's what happens. This this one

1164
01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:48.960
that I casted, I started looking around in this bigfoot

1165
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:53.199
was sitting up the hill under me two junipers eating

1166
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:57.000
an elk. That's what it was eating on because the

1167
01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:01.239
elk was there, I mean, and he drug it. He

1168
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:05.319
actually drugged his elk there. I could see where he

1169
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:07.680
drug it. Now, whether he killed the elk or not,

1170
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:10.840
I don't know. I have no idea that he was

1171
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:14.640
eating and he had a window of that road. Because

1172
01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:16.920
I sat down right you could see where he sat down.

1173
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.600
I sat down right there and I looked down at

1174
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:23.000
the road and you could see about four feet That

1175
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.439
dirt road is all you could see. But that's all

1176
01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:29.000
he needed to see to know, watch the traffic. And

1177
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:31.640
if you'd have to look and be, it'd be a

1178
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:35.199
miracle to spot him up underneath him juniverse. And believe me,

1179
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:37.359
I can spot this up, but I would have never

1180
01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:42.159
spotted him. And I'll tell you something else about bigfoot.

1181
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:47.680
They like apples in the fall time. I told you,

1182
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:49.319
I live at the end of the road, and there

1183
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:53.800
is a one piece of private property that the gentleman's

1184
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:56.439
going to give to the conservancy. He planted a bunch

1185
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:57.920
of apple tere he's up there. Used to be an

1186
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:05.760
old homestead, but there's no instructors there now. But fella,

1187
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:09.079
a young kid here, him and his sister swear they

1188
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:13.399
saw a bigfoot across the road going down into that

1189
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:16.319
apple orchard. I never thought anything of it, But there's

1190
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:24.560
a Macintosh apple tree that's between my place in that

1191
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:27.920
that apple orchard. And I had these apples spotted, and

1192
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.239
they need a good frost and then you go pick them,

1193
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.079
you know, and make your apple sauce and stuff. And

1194
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:35.640
so I was waiting for the frost, and the tree

1195
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:40.319
was loaded and I'm the only one to gets apples there. Well,

1196
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:42.800
I want to put the four we learned a dog

1197
01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.920
to get the apples. But there wasn't an apple within

1198
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:51.159
eighteen feet of the ground. They were all picked. And

1199
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:53.920
so I said, oh, boy, bear must have come down.

1200
01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:57.119
I looked at the tree. There wasn't a claw mark

1201
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:01.439
on that tree. You tell me what took all them

1202
01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:05.560
apples off that tree? And there was no prints around

1203
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:10.399
the tree. There was nothing. You answer that. So, now

1204
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.800
that to me lends a little credence of this kid's

1205
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.560
store because of that eye. He's just a kid. He

1206
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:19.279
don't always done well. Now, I tend to believe you

1207
01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.600
did see a big what cross and go down through there,

1208
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:26.000
and that big boot was going to them apples. Yeah.

1209
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:29.680
I mean it's one of those stories where everything does

1210
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:31.439
does line up.

1211
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:36.439
For sure. Man.

1212
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:40.640
What it's a part of Idaho that I don't believe

1213
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.279
we've heard a lot about. Is really fascinating to be

1214
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:48.880
interesting to hear if other people reach out about interactions,

1215
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:55.199
especially in this reservoir area Palisades Reservoir area of Idaho.

1216
01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:59.399
Well, I can tell you that I know four locals

1217
01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:05.039
that are running the big Foot. Yeah, and I know. Uh.

1218
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:07.239
Becky Cook was a friend of mine.

1219
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:10.680
After she wrote about me, she'd come up and visit

1220
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:12.479
and we'd sit on the porch and talk.

1221
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:15.560
Didn't she tell me about new.

1222
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:21.760
Context that she's if not a hole of her about

1223
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:26.880
bigfoots around here and up in Fall Creek, which I'm

1224
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.520
looking at Fall Creek right up my ranch window right now.

1225
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:37.079
There was a group of people up there, Uh you know, mom, dad, family,

1226
01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:39.840
the whole deal, and the big foot team right down

1227
01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:43.079
and cross right in front of him. They watched it. Oh,

1228
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:45.399
I forgot to tell you. I was lying hunting up

1229
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:50.159
there five years ago. I think it's five winters ago,

1230
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:53.279
and I loved and I was just holy smoke. So

1231
01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:58.319
I showed Steve the bigfoot ran down through there. He said,

1232
01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.680
that ain't a big foot track that's up and jumping?

1233
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.079
Is that's a big foot track? I can tell right now.

1234
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:07.880
So I went down. It was dark out. We were

1235
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:13.119
spotting more lines across the road before daylight, and lo

1236
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.840
and behold it was a big foot. He couldn't deny

1237
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:21.359
it because there was the tracks went right down across

1238
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:23.760
that canyon and then I went up into the timber

1239
01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:27.880
and but it was before daylight, you know that they crossed.

1240
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:32.239
And then I'm looking right over across the valley. There's

1241
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.920
a girl scout camp up in there. And those two

1242
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:41.399
they're not tree structures like you would think. I've seen

1243
01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:45.479
them up. Some guy up in Canada has a YouTube

1244
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:50.800
thing that he takes people up and they he pictures

1245
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:54.680
a big foot and stuff. Only one of those pictures

1246
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:59.239
even looked remotely close to the one I saw with Anyhow,

1247
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.359
he has a big foot. I don't know if you

1248
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:05.000
call him.

1249
01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:06.479
I guess i'd call him a shelter.

1250
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:10.800
But when I first found a shelter, there was a

1251
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:13.079
big nest inside of it. It was made out of

1252
01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:16.600
pine boughs. There's a big round spot inside of it,

1253
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:23.880
like where a huge bowl owl would lay a little

1254
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:26.359
bit bigger than that. And then outside there was a

1255
01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:31.840
smaller one outside the shelter. No, it's actually reversed. The

1256
01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:34.880
small one was inside and the big one was outside.

1257
01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:41.119
And this bigfoot climbed up a pine that's four foot

1258
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:45.000
in diameter and broke off limbs three to four inches

1259
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:49.479
to make this shelter. And that's the fact those limbs

1260
01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:52.520
that are piled up there, and they're not piled on

1261
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:57.039
the ground. They're piled on a teepee like and they

1262
01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:00.159
were all broke off up forty to fifty feet all

1263
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:04.119
the way down in this animal whoever was and you

1264
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.920
they were, they were four to six inches around. The

1265
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:12.560
thing snapped them off that tree and piled them up

1266
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:14.800
and there was the two beds there. I was amazed.

1267
01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:17.119
I took pictures of it. I still have pictures, I

1268
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:20.520
believe about that. And then I took my buddy when

1269
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:22.399
we were beating bear up in there because you got

1270
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:27.039
to see this, and I took him and it was, uh,

1271
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:33.119
it was a winner after and so the winner sort

1272
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:37.119
of scrunched down, but he stood inside of it, and

1273
01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:39.960
it was amazing how small he looked.

1274
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:46.119
Wow, David, fascinating, fascinating stuff. I think that we are

1275
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:49.720
definitely going to need to keep in touch. You have

1276
01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:54.720
some really amazing encounters, and you're one of those individuals

1277
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.319
that people are talking to in the area, which is

1278
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.920
really important that there's some one, you know, who's there

1279
01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:04.560
to listen to everything that's happening. But I just want

1280
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.560
to say thank you for coming on the show today

1281
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:11.000
and for sharing what you've experienced over the years.

1282
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.479
Sure, and I appreciate you having me on now, if

1283
01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:19.000
you just if you'll after you end this interview, if

1284
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.520
you just stay on the line and give me your address,

1285
01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:24.000
I'll nail that today to you and you can take

1286
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:24.560
a look at it.

1287
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:28.199
Oh yeah, sure, absolutely, Well, thank you so much for

1288
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:30.800
coming on, Dave, and I'll go ahead and provide you

1289
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:32.600
that information.

1290
01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:35.720
Okay, sounds good man, Thank you.

1291
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:43.760
Yes.

1292
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:49.920
My name is Kyle Meadows, and I am from Webster County, Kentucky,

1293
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:57.399
originally from place College Clay and it's about forty minutes

1294
01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:01.920
from Alba Land between the Lakes. That's not where my

1295
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:10.680
encounter happened. I've had a few encounters, some bigfoot, some

1296
01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:17.199
may be something else. The first one on to about

1297
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:18.960
when I was a kid took place when I was

1298
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:22.760
about thirteen, twelve or thirteen, which I live in a

1299
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:28.399
rural area and I grew up hunting, fishing, you know,

1300
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:32.800
everything in the state of Kentucky that you can. And

1301
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:37.239
I was really big into coon hunting and my dad

1302
01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:40.520
used to go with me all the time when I

1303
01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:42.920
was a kid. Until I got about the age of

1304
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:47.079
twelve thirteen, you pretty much well quit kind of going

1305
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:51.880
hunting with me period. That goes through everything, you know, deer,

1306
01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:58.520
turkey and coon hunting. And I had one dog of

1307
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:03.199
black and tan. He was pretty well trained. And of

1308
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.279
course as a kid, I would never scare the woods

1309
01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:09.159
or scare of the dark, and I would go by myself.

1310
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.119
Dad worked in the mines, so he always had some

1311
01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:16.800
kind of old work car, work truck, what have you.

1312
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:26.119
And I would take this a car and go myself.

1313
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:28.199
He would let me go myself because I lived not

1314
01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:32.640
too far from where the woods is, and we always

1315
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:36.960
called the woods that I went to number seven. And

1316
01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:38.760
the reason why we called it number seven, there used

1317
01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:42.199
to be a old number seven coal mines out there

1318
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:46.119
and it blew up in the early nineteen hundreds and

1319
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:50.880
killed a bunch of people. And so I lowed the

1320
01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:54.279
dog up. I go out there by myself. I cut

1321
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:58.600
it loose, walk into the woods with it. It gets

1322
01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:03.239
to running and it's running good, and I finally come through.

1323
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:05.399
The woods was a little thick, and I ended up

1324
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:09.039
coming into a clearing. It wasn't exactly a clearing, but

1325
01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:14.479
it was like where the trees wasn't so close together,

1326
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:17.640
and they were a little further apart, and they were

1327
01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:21.159
all bigger and mature trees, and so I just sat

1328
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:24.239
down there and turn the light out, sit down on

1329
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:26.279
the ground, step against a tree, and turn my light

1330
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:31.359
out and listen to the dog. Well, it wasn't long.

1331
01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.359
I heard cold, He's open up and it sounded pretty close.

1332
01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:38.680
And then the dog quit running, went quiet, sounded like

1333
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:40.039
he was about the tree, and then all of a

1334
01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:43.960
sudden he quit hearing him. And they'll do that a lot,

1335
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:46.079
you know, if cold has run up on them, especially

1336
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:49.079
if they've had any encounters with them. So it wasn't

1337
01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:51.920
nothing new. So I thought, well, he'll pick back up

1338
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:53.800
here in a minute, and I just set there my

1339
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.520
light off. Well, I kept hearing something sounding like it

1340
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:05.680
was circling me. So I would take and sitting listening

1341
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:09.800
real intent, and I thought, man, your mind's playing tricks

1342
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:12.239
on you. You sitting out here in the dark by yourself.

1343
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.319
Mine's playing tricks on your serving down. Then I'd flipped

1344
01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:19.960
my light on and look, wouldn't see nothing. Well, finally

1345
01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:26.720
it got the best of me. I just you know,

1346
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.800
flipped my light on. Look, look, sit down. I kept

1347
01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:33.079
hearing it sounds like it's circling me, and it would stop,

1348
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:38.159
and finally all of a sudden at once, the tree

1349
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:43.399
tops like exploded one tree and it was shaking. The

1350
01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:45.960
whole tree was shaking. A tree tops, a great big tree,

1351
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:47.760
and I wasn't thinking at the time that, you know,

1352
01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:50.239
there ain't a limb on it for thirty feet probably

1353
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:52.800
any of these trees around. But it sounded like if

1354
01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:54.720
you've ever walked up on a big covey of turkey,

1355
01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:59.399
that's roosting fly off. But it wasn't no wings flapping.

1356
01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:01.159
It wasn't nothing like that, because it was the whole

1357
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:04.239
tree top and I thought it was my dad or

1358
01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:06.399
somebody knew playing a prank on me. At the time,

1359
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:10.680
I wasn't thinking that there's no way for whatever, you know,

1360
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:15.359
person to climb a tree like that. So eventually I

1361
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:18.079
got scared enough, you know, I turned my light on.

1362
01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:20.800
I'm looking, and I said, hey, whoever it is, you

1363
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:23.439
need to stop quit. Game was over.

1364
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.079
I got a gun. I had a twenty two rifle.

1365
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:29.920
With a ten round clipping it. I said, you know,

1366
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:34.960
I've got a gun, I'll shoot whatever. Well, it would

1367
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:37.039
hit the ground, I could hear it, and it would

1368
01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:39.159
run and go up another tree and the next tree

1369
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:43.359
would start shaking. So Finally, I just lowered the gun,

1370
01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:45.800
waited for the next tree to start shaking, and fired

1371
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:50.359
shots off what didn't stop. Well, I realized right then

1372
01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:56.039
that it wasn't my dad, and it wasn't nobody. When

1373
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:58.800
the dog heard the shots, it come back in. So

1374
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:01.479
I coupled it and I started trying to walk out,

1375
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:03.840
and I would take two or three steps and the

1376
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.199
dog would jerk behind me like something was behind us,

1377
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:11.680
showing his teeth all bristled up, and I literally drug

1378
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:15.359
the dog out of there. And that's kind of my

1379
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.079
first story. If you'd like to hear more, just to

1380
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:20.079
email me thank you for your time.

1381
01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:25.239
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1382
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.640
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1383
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:32.039
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1384
01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:36.000
Just want to take a minute to say thank you

1385
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:38.640
for listening to this episode of the big Foot Society Podcast.

1386
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:40.960
Dave's story is one that stays with you, not just

1387
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:43.720
because of how close the scream came or the eyes

1388
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:45.520
watching him from behind the pi end, but because of

1389
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.239
the silence that followed, the kind of silence that makes

1390
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:52.600
you realize there's something out there. Besides yourself. If you

1391
01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.119
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1397
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:12.560
If you or someone you know has had a big

1398
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:16.640
foot encounter, especially in Idaho near Swan Valley or Palisades Reservoir,

1399
01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:19.000
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1411
01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:55.680
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1412
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