"Those Deer Looked Liked They Had Seen The Devil"

0:00 The deer, and I stopped the truck. The deer ran right up beside the truck and stopped and looked at me and his tongue hanging out, and kept looking back towards the woods. And I saw something running through the woods, chasing those deer out the corner of that field. And it was running. It was tall. Whatever it was it was running, it was black, and it you know, obviously wasn't a bear running on two legs. But something was running on two legs through the woods. And I only just saw it for maybe two to three seconds. Says. It was running in between trees. But the deer where I'd never seen a deer. That's I mean, he was really he wasn't even worried about my truck and he sitting there. He was worried about whatever it was behind him chasing him. And I just saw it, like I said, for two or three seconds.

0:56 And in this episode of Big for Society, I tucked to Perry, a taxidermist. It's very interesting episode as Perry has an eye for detail due to his trade being a taxidermist. The episode starts going north to Alberta, as Perry recounts a white tailed deer hunting trip and then go south down to Virginia with some very interesting encounters that happened on some private land just south of the Potomac River. Before we get into the episode, please take a minute do something for me that is free. Subscribe to this wherever you're listening, and if you're on YouTube, go subscribe on the podcast in vice versa, and please share this episode with all your friends that like Bigfoot and even the ones that don't, share it to everyone, because Bigfoot Society is going to the moon and we need your help to get there. And now let's get into the show, all right, big Forciety, you've got the privilege of talking to Perry, who is a tax at ermist. Perry sent me a message and he has some things to share about some encounters he's had over the years.

2:15 But Perry, how's it going tonight? I'm doing great, cold, be better. And you had mentioned that, right, you were working on something right before before I called. You were working on a turkey or something like that. Right, I just completed Manta the turkey. I bet it looks good. That looks good, yes, her, yes, her. I'm curious to hear you know, you see you've got two different encounters that happened to you. Let's start with the Canada one, if you wouldn't mind. Okay, I've joined three of my buddies to go to Alberta, Canada on a white tailed deer hunt with the bow and arrow. And uh we got there and they had been up there hunting several times, and um, it's my first trip. So I was every day kind of had their places where they usually like to go and and so I got to look around a good bit and I found a really really nice place, big soybean field on the next next to the what they called the Boreal forest, which is huge forest, you know, hundreds of miles you know, through the woods, probably you know, to find another road or something that's not just like big trail roads through there. But I end up going and getting up in the stand right on the edge of the soybean field. And I've been sitting there for you know, probably a couple of hours and just standing in the field,

3:47 and I saw a couple of doze, uh, walk out into soybean field and we're starting to feed and and about two hundred and fifty yards across the field. Uh, there's like a clump of trees and grass and stuff out there that's I guess probably twenty thirty yards across or something like that, and just just beyond the fence on the other side of the soybean field. And I noticed that part of it, and I was looking because I heard some coyote's uping in there, and I was just kind of scanning around and looking for a nice book, and something caught my attention. I looked across there. After I kind of looked away, and I looked back and there was something standing up next to the fence. And first my first thought was because you know, there's big bears up there and all that, and I said, man, that's a that's a huge black bear. And it was black as soot. And this thing was standing there next the fence and it was like leaned on the fence. So I thought it was a bear because I've mounted bears with him kind of leaning over with the paws on a branch or something like that. And uh, I did not have my binoculars with me. That's the only thing I really hate about it, because I didn't have binoculars to really scan over and check it out. But I got to

5:18 looking at this thing, and I got to notice in the uh, the way the body was constructed on this thing, and it had shoulders on it. Bears they have shoulders too, but their shoulders are more in kind of if you pulled your elbows together and if you got on all fours, you'll notice that you're you're in a different position. Well, this thing was standing up and his shoulders was broad and out. I mean, I'm out. I'm out animals for a living now. I'm retired policeman and been been doing tax farmy for about thirty five years. And this thing will standing there and I guess in the fences are probably about four foot tall, and it was twice that tall, so I'm thinking was it's at least eight foot And I'm still not like grasping the situation so much. I'm like, man, I'm sitting there trying to figure out why this bear's got shoulders. If you understand what I'm saying that you know a broad shoulders you look at a man versus a bear standing there that the shoulders will be way in tucked in, even if he's in a standard position. Anyway, I got to look at this thing and it was watching these deer out there, and they got to looking at it, and I was like, you know, this thing's he's got a broad neck on him, but I don't see the nose on this thing.

6:49 I don't see you know, I've seen this thing move. I'm looking at it with just my eyes. I mean, I got good eyesight and everything. But I got to thinking, oh, man, I don't think that's a bear. And I said, for one thing, if he's eight foot tall, which I guessed him at, that's probably six seven hundred pound bear. And I mean, I've got a bear in the shop here, mouse like six hundred pounds. And and it's you know, seventy five eight inches long from the from the nose to the butt of it. So that's a you know, pretty fair assumption, dish. You know, it would have to be that big of a bear, And it just didn't. Bears generally got like his head like goes right into his shoulders. He's real broad.

7:39 This thing was different than that. It had somewhat of a neck like a human wood, but big. This thing was big. And I just looked at it and it didn't really move much. It stood there, and at one point it like it pushed off of the fence and stood straight up more and I was like, man, that ain't a bear. And at that point, I'm like, I don't know what to think about it. And I'm like, gosh, man, I wish I had a prepair of the knockulars really scan in on this thing. It's driving me nuts, you know. And you know, I'm out there my heads shotty cell service out there. This is you know, quite a years back, and we cell phones didn't work really good out there, and and my my ride is taking three other guys to the stand and he's probably twenty miles away from me right now. If I freaky, I can't get scared. So I'm liked because you can't. I ain't had a gun up here. I just having my boat, you know, and just kind of concerned at this point. And I hear these coaties again start starting up, and I'm trying to keep an eye on this thing out across They're trying to figure out, trying to rationalize it in my mind that that's a bear and not nothing else. And I just could not say it was a bear. Seeing too many bears. I've been bear hunting in New Brunswick and taking three bears over there, and just

9:11 saying, could not have been a bear, And it's about one hundred and fifty yards to the main woods from that clump out there, and if and I was looking towards so these where these cavities was coming from, and when I looked back, this thing was gone. I mean it was probably ten seconds maybe. Wow. So when I looked back, I was like, well, I'm starting scanning up and down the fence line, thinking well, okay, maybe maybe it's a bear. He went down all fours, but the soybeans wouldn't up that high, and I could clearly see the fence, and if he was that tall, and if it was a bear, he's going to be probably forty eight inches tall the shoulders, which is you know, I would be able to see that if he was like moving along, and if he went on all fours and was walking on the fours like a bear wood and I didn't see that. The only thing I can figure is that thing went into that brush over there and maybe sat down and was watching, or the cooties you know, come up he just wanted to kind of see what was going on, or the coach come up in there and did their thing chase the dose around and I ended up the leader of the coach came up there and I was able to get a shot and take him.

10:31 And as soon as I shot the coody though, I got out on the stand, got it out of there and went to the road and I was making a phone call because it was he was starting to get dark, and I want to get out of there, and I don't get I don't get nerved too much. And because I hug hunt at night by myself twelve midnight, was with a you know, night vision and a thermal scope, and I walk around for hours hull hunting to night by myself. It's just no big deal. I don't never get freaked out, you know, in Alabama. But up there's a different story. So anyway, UM got back to the truck, told him what I saw, and uh, my buddy up there that let's just come up there and hunt. He uh, he didn't have much to say about it. He didn't, you know, say it was crazy anything. But I somement, I don't know if I saw a bear or big foot, but this thing was huge, and I said it was standing for ten or fifteen minutes. Uhlan leaned on the fence post comes God like you're sitting there, you dad, He's at the football game and land over on the fence watching you play football. This is what this thing is doing. It had so much human behavior, you know, an upright by a pedal, uh, creature or something would do, you know.

11:52 But got in the truck, went down the road and one of the other guys had walked in went into that deep forest that afternoon, and he was really unnerved about something that happened with him, and he would never to this day, wouldn't really tell me what he thinks happened to him. But he walked in the woods and he said he felt like something was watching him. And when he walked in, he saw something really dark in the woods following him, and he said it he thought it was walking on two legs.

12:33 And he said, I couldn't see it good enough to will tell her was a bear or what it was. But he said followed me all the way in. And he said, I stayed in there a little while. And he says I had a half a mile walk back in there, and he says, I got my butt out of there. I've been waiting up at the road, you know, for y'all to come pick me up. I didn't even hunt so and he's a great hunter, killed a lot of big deer with the bow. And uh, I mean, all these guys are professional and big big game hunters and stuff, and so he, uh, he wasn't going back in there again. He hunted up next to this guy's house risk the trip where it's kind of open, and I mean, if you want to come out standing and walk right over three for one of yards and go to the guy's house. So anyway, the uh, one of the other guys had an experience. He was on a fence line hunting, hunting the trail and uh, he said the ones got real steel and quiet.

13:35 He said he could hear something walking up, crunch crunch, crunching the leaves, and it got He said he could just see something, but he couldn't tell what it was. He just saw a movement through some brush and it stopped, and he said he could hear it breathing, and he you know, he was kind of freaked out about it. And um, he couldn't really say what it was, but hearing him talk about it, I don't think he thought it was a bear. And of course it's not gonna be a deer, because the deer is not really gonna have that kind of behavior anyway, you know, like a man walking in the woods kind of sound and the leaves, and so he never went back to that spot again, and he ended up hunting with the other guy on the edge of a big field for the rest of the trip and kind of an open where you can everybody kind of stayed out of the deep woods. So that was pretty much my Canada trip. And but pretty much everybody I talked to up there have had some kind of experience of some kind, but up there, it wasn't really willing to say a whole lot about it. And because I've always been I've been interested this for a lot of years and it's one of those things, you know, you got to prove to me before I believe it.

14:56 And but that kind of rounds up my Canada trip there, Harry, I have a few questions about the Canada trip, all right, So, um, can you can you say what? I don't think I caught what area of Alberta this was up in? Well, it's it's been so long I couldn't tell you exactly what town it's close to. Um My buddy up there. His name was Nick. Uh really really good guy, hard working guy. But it was close to the boreal forest, the Nordegg at all or I could I honestly could not tell you, no problem. No, probably it's been probably ten to fifteen years ago. Yeah, it's been a while. That's the only trip I went up there. I had enough of Canada, right, Yeah, you you were good after that. So thinking back, and I know you didn't see it for for a long time, but do you remember anything about maybe the head shape of what you saw over there? Yeah? I was, uh, I'm sorry, what is a descriptive and this should have been, but to me, it kind of looked kind of ridgie in the middle of the head, which was a bears flat on top of his head. And that's something that I had to think about.

16:21 And I'm glad you asked that question because if it brings back memories, and that was the thing about it. I was like, I was waiting for this thing to kind of turn, it said, so I could see the bridge of the nose and all that and to verify what I was looking at, and it never did. It was just kind of looking over, kind of looking straight back at at me because the dinner between me and whatever. It was there, but it kind of, like said, it wasn't flat on the head. It kind of went to a ridge on top of the head. It kind of looked narrow at the top or narrowed at the top. And from what I remember, and like I said, I didn't I couldn't make out any years or anything. But on a big black bear.

17:07 If it was a black bear, which I doubt I'm about ninety nine percent sure that it wasn't. Uh you'd build you probably wouldn't be able to see years on the side of his head, the head being that big. If there was a big animal, um, but it the head wouldn't built like a bear head it was. It was smaller and it kind of looked kind of funny because the head was in comparison to the shoulders. I mean, it looked like a running back out there, you know, big broad shoulders. And that's that's right. There's what I'm like, freaking out, What the heck is that right? And uh, anyway, I mean, you know they don't they don't if you if you look at a bear, if you go on Pinterest or something like that and you look at them standing bear. And then you look at what people portray as a big foot on pictures and stuff like that, one standing up, standing up facing there's a big difference in the way they look. Um just the same thing. If a man was standing out there versus a bear, you're going to see broad shoulders, it's going to be straight across and and but this thing was was super wide, super broad at the shoulders and his head. He didn't have a big, blocky head like you you know, in comparisons to his body, like to a human. It just he didn't look like that, just had a smaller head and he looked like he had a neck. And uh.

18:37 But I mean, like I said, I was the only one out there, and they ain't nobody in that big well right, yeah, do you remember anything about its arms at all? Uh? Well, like I said, he was he was kind of bent over a little bit, uh with the arms on the fence, and they were they were really long and looked like stumps. And uh, like I said, you know, a bear can have big stumpy arms too, but they're generally not that long. Uh. And if they're that big, they generally don't um, I appear to have long, long arms like this thing. They just the more I think about it, the more I look at it in my mind. You know, it's just it's a long, lanky, wide, thick kind of critter. That's all I can say about it. I wish if i'd had my binoculars I had, I always had ten power binoculars, I could have really identified this thing because I'd have had fifteen minutes, ten to fifteen minutes to really check it out. But it's it's you know, if I would have to say what it was, I would say, it is not a bear, and it's a it's something that I've never seen but four And I've said, I've been hunting all my life, and it's something I didn't want to get close to. It's intriguing when it's especially paired with your your fellow

20:11 hunter friend having something happened to him that he's never mentioned to this day exactly what happened, you know. Yeah, and he would be because those guys were quite a bit younger than me. I'm their taxidermist, and they just happened to take me on a hunt. And I'm, like I said, I'm fifty nine now, but they're like forty years old. So I was quite a bit older than them, and they would have probably been more afraid if somebody teasing them, if he said something me, I don't care. I mean it's you know, you can have an opinion about me. I don't care. I'm on the one that matters. Like it comes down to the end of the day, what I feel about what I saw and everything.

20:52 I'm not afraid. That is fascinating, Perry, I got I got a question for you. We're going to take a detour or a few minutes before the Virginia one. So let's let's imagine that you're you're in your taxit ermy shop, and all of a sudden, a truck pulls up to the back of the shop and there's something under a tarp in the back, and the gentleman says, I'll give you a million dollars, but you've got a taxi orman whatever's in there, and you look underneath it and it's a big foot. What do you do? Would you do it? Well, if if I could have done it legally, yes, I would, hear so I would have tried, but I'd have probably got some of my buddies I compete with it on that. Yeah, I would. I would freak out.

21:45 I mean really, I mean there's a there's a lot And that's one thing that I've taught with people before. I'm like, what would you do if you ran up on something in the woods like this? Would you shoot it? If you're sitting in the stand and just think I'm walking by you, what'd you shooting me? Absolutely not, because there's you know, I'm speaking kind of as a cop to h from thirty years in law enforcement. You know, for one thing you got, I mean there's obvious people if they're going to pranking and stuff and doing all that, that's one thing would enter your mind. But if you shot something that's walking up right like that, You're you're going to be kind of be like that dentist that shot the line that came out of the park or something years ago. Man, you're gonna you're not gonna live it down. They probably end up prostcuting you over something. Yeah, And now I'm not that kind of hunter. I would not do that. I would. I would probably and I wouldn't look to think I'm up and beating my brains out or something like that. But you know, I would give it a wide berth of h to get around me or me I would back out of there like I would if I'd come up on a bear or something, you know. But yeah, that's that's that's kind of that's funny because we have talked about that. That's very interesting because I mean, when you think about it, it's like it's got to be a thing where there's not just one by itself. You probably if you take one down, you're probably gonna meet it's brother or it's brothers pretty quick, so you you're better be ready. But some some wild stuff that goes on

23:18 down in Oklahoma for sure. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's you don't really know what you're doing until you get put in that position. You know. That's a good point. Um, I've heard, you know, people that had encounters, and they've heard of people they think that Cuban and other people said they just you know, they kind of go on their own way. They know you're not wrong. Yeah, ain't really worried about your hurting them stuff. And I bean't sure. Wouldn't you know, shoot one. Absolutely wouldn't have shot one because I've been I'd have been afraid of I didn't make a good shot and get killed anyway. But I wouldn't. I wouldn't mess with anything like that. I just couldn't do it. That's one of those things. It would be be more of a man. I'm curious how, I mean, these things need to they got to cohabitate with us if they're you know, one hundred percent there, you know which I think they are. And I just wished I had a better experience, uh with with that that incident there, You know what, I wish I'd had a compair of binoculars or a rifle scope or something I could look through and and uh really, you know, I just want to see that thing's face and make it out clear. And you know, it's that's just one of those things you you'll ponder on the rest of your life, you know, you get generally most folks are only going to get one one time. They're going

24:49 to experience something like that. And you know, I'm kind of one of those guys. You know, Yeah, that's that It'll be with you for the rest of you your life, for sure. Did you ever get any weird calls when you're a police officer, like people calling in a big foot sighting or anything like that. No, I never did. I not an Alabama have it. I mean I've heard people say they you know, said they saw something they couldn't identify. But I've never had a call like that. I've had ghost calls and other criticy calls, but I haven't had any kind of because I policed in a big city and everything okay, And I think the only thing they would call a police home great kas dealing stuff at their house or something. Sure, Yeah, I mean I've talked to a few people about northern Alabama, and when you get out in the woods and the big forest out there, there's some very interesting big foot encounters to do with hunters that have been reported, and they've found hunter has just torn apart underneath their tree stand and it's just it's some wild stuff. You've got.

26:03 It's got have done in that that state, for sure. Yeah, yeah, I would. I would think if they're already in Alabama, they would be more up around Birmingham up there with a you know, a lot of mountainous terrain and bigger woods. And if I was one of those things, um, survival would be survive. I wouldn't want to be around humans. I might want to have him where I could maybe go and look at them every now and then, but have a safe retreat where they know somebody's not on will follow me, you know. So that's why they, I guess they seek out those kind of areas around here. You know, it's just dense forest and pine trees and stuff like that. It's not not a bunch of moles or anything like that and big callers and stuff like that. It's more flat where I'm at. Gotcha, Well, Perry, let's uh, let's talk a little bit about what happened to you in Virginia if you don't mind. Oh yeah, yeah, this this, this is what really got me. Uh you know, I've been listening to the bigfoot stories and stuff, and like I said, I was scared. Easy man, I've been shot at and and being in car chases and been deadly shootouts in all coinst I don't I ain't afraid of that kind of stuff. But the unknown stuff is what what kind of gets you, you know. And I was working

27:33 for UM a platform and UM just trying to try something. I was driving trucks and uh we were Me and a bunch of guys were staying at the house down and um uh off the Potomac River in Virginia right on the you know, across the river you're in uh in Maryland, and King George is where I was at. And this road where they said the company would run a house for you, a bunch of guys and you know, stay out there and we'd be gone for five six months a year and come back and have all the time to hunt and whatever you want to do when you come back home, and still draw a check. So we had this, uh, really nice house, two story house, and it was about four miles down this road, just a small windy road all the way down. It was probably a one hundred and fifty yards off the Potomac River. I guess, big wooded area around the house. And I was in the bed one night and it was about eleven o'clock and I think only one of the guys was still awake. He was and he always kept his room all his door check and music and watching TV and everything. So so well, I think got there and get some drinks, and I had picked up some bread.

28:59 I was gonna make some just for the next morning because I had to get about two thirty morning get started. So I walked outside just round, I guess round, lad my twelve or something like that, and I walk out to the parking area and my tory of trucks out there, and I opened up the back door and I'm getting these drinks out and I'm kind of crouched down because I think a couple of them fell out of the case of drinks that I had, and I crouched down and I heard something hitting my truck, bounced off my truck or my wheel or something right there, and lune it kind of land right next to me, and there was a rock, and I'm like, I just kind of I was like, man, what, what in the world was a rock? Maybe I'm just you know, imagining things, you know, that's the first thought. But you know, hair standing up on my back already, and I'm curious, real curious, and almost about man. Just a minute or so later, maybe fifteen seconds later, I can't remember exactly, but a definite rock about two inches I guess in diameter, come flying over there, hit the gravel in the driveway and kind of bounced up against the wheel again, I mean almost hit me.

30:25 And I look over in the woods and of course I don't see none. It's dark out there, so not to scramble for anything, and my gun was in the truck, my pistol that I retired with, and uh so I just kind of just slowly, just tinyase I re act like I didn't notice that. Then I grabbed my gun. I'm like, all right now, I'm ready. I think I even actually grabbed an extra magazine stuck it in my back pocket, and I'm like, okay, somebody's missing with me. And then I got thinking, man, the ain't nobody put us down here, and that all the guys in the house. And I looked back at the house, and ain't noboddy messing with me? And where this thing coming from, where it was coming from was with the big woods, and uh so, uh I just man, I just felt my skin got that that feel, and you feel like your hair's just about to jump off your skin back and neck. You get that feeling, old man, just like I used to get when I was a policeman, like somebody's watching me.

31:30 When I'm going in the building with a canine dog or something like that. You know, you always think you're gonna walk up on somebody. And I just had that that same same feeling about it. I got my stuff and I got me in that house pretty quick. And first thing I did when I went in there, I checked everybody. Everybody was asleep, nobody had been outside, and a matter of fact, everyone come in they were snoring. And so I went to and sat there in the bed trying to figure out what the heck that was. And and so the next day, I think it was maybe a few days later, we had maybe on the weekend, and everybody kind of got off. We didn't have to run that day or something like that. Some days we didn't have to run. But the guys, the younger guys, I don't drink or anything like that, and they they were drinking pretty good. And one of the guys went out and back and he had a hammock back there, one of those that you can kind of roll up around your body and sleep in, and I guess you could use it to keep bugs off of you or something though at night.

32:42 And he had fell asleep in that thing and about two or three o'clock in the morning, and he'd then passed out. He was drunk now, but he'd be passed out in that thing, and he said he woke up and something was kind of pushing up against him. Now, he never seen anything he said, buddy, he said something. You think it was one of us messing with him. He didn't. Nobody said acknowledged anything, and nobody had been out there. And now he said he heard it walk off in the woods. But that's pretty much the end of that story. It's all he could say about. He said, Look, man, I woke up. Oh yeah, I was still a little drunk, he said, but I was. I sobered up really quick when something touched me through the you know, through this little um hanging thing hammock. And he said, scared to him, kiss out of him, you know, And he was serious. And so I'm I'm intrigued. I'm anything like that. I'm intrigued that, you know. So I don't know. It's probably we were kind of getting towards the end of our tour up there, I guess. And I noticed one day when I come back home, I've been the store, and to come back in h you know, had rock thrown, something touched my buddy in the backyard. Came home a tree lopped off about nine foot up eight or nine foot up, just broke over. Like we ain't had

34:14 no weather, no bad weather, no nothing. There's no reason for that tree to just snap over. But it was in the backyard, and I called my wife and told her. I said, hey, you know, told her about you know, we've we've watched this stuff and it's just kind of freaky that how the hick is this tree. I looked for another land that might have fell out of the tree and hit it, been it over and broke it. But the tree was probably about four inches in diameter and it just snapped and it was not a dead tree because when its splintered when it rolled over. So and I asked some of the guys, I say, hey, y'all, ain't been out here monking around and breaking the trees, because you know, we're renting this place. We don't want to be responsible for, you know, paying for a tree or anything like that.

34:58 And it's no, no, nothing about it. So that was the second incident or third, I say third incident there, and then it was pretty much there was a bunch of deer, a bunch of game in Prown. I mean there would be deer in our front yard and backyard and all up and down the road all the time, and just a really gaming place. And one day I was right before we were done and we're leaving out It's like late July, and I was coming up the road headed back out. I was going to go to win Dixie or win Dixiere Walmart or whatever it was up there. And when I was coming up the road, I saw a deer at the right side of my my cabin, my truck, on the edge of the field, and it was running full board across that field with his tongue hung out. And I noticed a bunch of other deer running out of that saying, that's the same brick of woods that all these encounters kind of come from, and the deer and I stopped the truck. The deer ran right up beside the truck and stopped and looked at me and his tongue hanging out and kept looking back towards the woods. And I saw something running through the woods, chasing those deer out the corner of that field,

36:31 and it was running. It was tall, whatever it was it was running, it was black, and it you know, obviously wasn't a bear running on two legs. But something was running on two legs through the woods. And I only just saw it for maybe two three seconds. Says it was running in between trees, but the deer where I'd never seen a deer. That's I mean, he was really he wasn't even worried about my truck and needs sitting there. He was worried about whatever it was behind him chasing them. And I just saw it, you know, like I said, for two or three seconds, and then he went out of sight. But the deer, they would run out in the field and they stopped around and looked, you know, one hundred and fifty yards out from the edge of the woods, and they stopped and look back in there, and they all looked like, you know, they've seen the devil. And it was maybe I don't know, maybe a two nights or a week later. They got all the stuff and was out of there, and I ain't come back. But I know this everywhere up there, if you you know, they have big foot sculptures and uh like trees that they've carved out with a chainsaw. They're everywhere, even up in Maryland. They were all over the place. And uh, you know, I'd get to talk to people about those things because I hic I wanted to buy one, but men, they were expensive, said man, like four thousand dollars for one of those sculptures, and I

38:04 said, I'll just leave it here, and they were like, yeah, yeah. You know, I had an experience I was on the Potomac or one of the rivers, our little tributaries off of the Potomac and run into one of these things trying to scoop up fish. And there was just stories like that everywhere. Oh yeah, my son's season and and um, you know there's a I think there's like a I think if I remember right of off of ninety I think ninety five may have been the main dragged through going up from like Fredericksburg up to UH to Washington, that big main um interstate. I can't may I may not be right about that, because you know it's been since two thousand seventeen. But Uh, there's a military memral.

38:52 I think it's a marine place up there. And I'd run into some people that said they there's a bunch of government land around there, and they've been hiking out there and stuff and and and said they'd seen them up there and had experiences with them. Really, so, I mean, it was everywhere everywhere up there. And you know, you come from Alabama, you don't hear much about it when you get up theirrist like everybody's got a story to tell about it, right, and just too much. Yeah, if you could remind me so where you saw this creature running through the woods real quick? That was private property? Or was it like a public land state forest type deal? No, that's that's all that land back and there's private property.

39:39 The story was told to me the a colonel or a general that was on the battleship or aircraft carrier when they signed the Japanese signed their surrender. There's I've seen a picture of the man that had bought all that land in there and he's he's dead. That is, uh, his wife or granddaughter or you know, is the only one that lives down in there, and he owned all that land back in there. But he was on the on he had a picture of him when they the Japanese were uh signing their surrender on whatever ship they were on. And I don't know who. I can't remember what important officers there could have been mac Arthur or somebody there. I don't know what, but I did see pictures because that's who we were renting a place from, and our company was renting the place from. But I'd tell you this uh not. Uh, I would not live I mean for as a hunter. Yeah, but I wouldn't go out at dark out there.

40:54 Oh yeah, that that was freaky. Somebody threw a rock. I mean, you know, what's the chances. I mean, you'd have to walk four miles down in there and just to snoop around, you know, you can't. You know, there wasn't no vehicles out there. There's just stars and that was it. And and the old lady lived down the end of that room, and uh, that was it. And I don't know anybody in the right mind would walk and then as dark as that is, and then woods would walk around out there. Uh no, but it threw rocks at me, and uh that I mean when it happened, I was like, I'm thinking, good night, man's this is like right out of the story I've heard, you know, growing up. And uh and then a tree busted over. I'm like, good night. I told my wife about it, and we discussed it and crazy thinking, I haven't seen that like that in Alabama, right exactly, thinking back to like that, and I know it was only for a few secrets, a few seconds that you saw the creature running through the woods. When the deer were nearby when you saw it running for a few seconds, wasn't near any deer at all.

42:15 I would say the closest it was was about fifty yards. And it needed to know that. You think about this now. I just thought about this. They you run out of deer and he's gonna be in the next zip code at least he's deer around here. You take a run out, I mean within seconds, they're gone. And whatever this was was running fast and he wasn't far off the heels of at least one of the deer. And this one deer looked like you'd didn't chase for a while. I mean, because he's the tongue was hanging out of his head. And a deer don't get winded running you one hundred and fifty yards out of the wheel. It's they don't get that winded like that. It's like when they're completely stressed.

43:07 That's that's kind of an indicator right there. And when they when they're stressed. Because I used to raise the dear years ago, and I've had dogs come around a pin and and uh scare them, and you know, but it takes a lot of agitation for one to get I think that be hanging his tongue out like that. You know. So whatever it was was after him and scared the crap out of him and me too. Well, yeah, absolutely, so I was asking that to see it was, did you see it run by anything that could give you an indication of how tall it might have been? Well, I all I remember is that this thing's like one hundred and fifty yards across the field in the woodline. And I never went over there to like try to figure that out. And but for me to see it, if it had been like a human or something in a black suit, which you know, there's no way it could have been it just because there's no way they would have been able to get that close to a deer running like that, and UM kind of keep kind of keep up with it, so to speak. And whatever it was was big, tall and was running fast, and and I was thinking, you know, the first thing I thought, I always think it isn't bad, you know, but this thing wasn't running load of the ground. This thing was running high,

44:37 and it was on two legs, and it you know, you see it, and you just you don't at first, you don't, you rationalized, try to fare out what was that? And then you kind of play it back in your head and you're like, oh my god, man, that thing was running on two legs and it was big. That's all I can tell you. I wouldn't say it was six foot all. I would say it was beyond that. It had to be. I mean, I've I've been a trained observer for thirty years and and uh, I don't have the answers to everything. But if you know, I've been a hunter for forever, since I was, you know, seveny years old, I've been in the woods hunting and I've seen a lot of things. And that's definitely something that caused a confusion in my head. I mean, I don't get confused about it. I mean I see them all the time. I can look at something in a split second tell you where it is. But I couldn't tell you what that was in a split second. It just freaked me out because I've never seen that ever. And uh, I've seen moose, bear, elk. I've been wilming hunting out there have been everywhere, and I have never seen nothing that big. Uh like that ever. Oh it's fascinating, accuse definitely, And that is that's pretty much. All I have,

46:13 um that I can recall that I'm you know, I've been up to Cage Cove where they said they you know, had some issues affair with people running into them and everything, and and uh, I'm taking my wife up there, and and uh, where's that hut Cage Cove is? And uh Kentucky. Oh, I'm not familiar with that Cage Cove. I'm I'm sorry, not Cage Coke. I'm through my land between the Lakes. Oh you've been to LBL Oh yeah, well yeah, I've been Cage Coke too. That's in Tennessee. But uh uh Lbl's and uh, Kentucky and I've been up there hunting. And then my wife went up there on a little mini vacation and stuff and and uh she says she heard some hooping off and in the holler and everything. I didn't hear it, but she says she did.

46:59 And uh, my book is it to local shop up here? Bowshop was like I had told them about it. And when she came in there were they were given a hard time. They're like, you know, messing with her and stuff. And we laughed real hard about that. But she says she would never go back. There's some weird we were where we were out, there was nobody there. Nobody. Man, it's nothing but woods for two miles and there's nothing. And she swears she I was putting up and during I got bad ears from shooting guns all the life. I was up there putting a turl camera. Come overhel there and she was at the truck and she heard some paller and her hooping down in the woods down there.

47:43 And when I got down there, she had her eyes looked like Adam Schiff eyes, you know, real wide and stuff. She later get the truck round here. Yeah, I mean, and I've talked to people where they have had really interesting things happen in that forest. For sure. It is huge. Yeah, I mean some of the biggest white oak trees you'll ever see. And there's there's graveyards all through there. Oh look that I mean, that's what we did. We drove her little um Toyota forerunner. We would go up these little old roads and stuff, and we I don't know how many we looked at, but we found graves from We found a couple from the seventeen hundreds and then the graveyard up there, and a lot of are from the Civil War and uh, I mean you don't hear highways back in there. You don't hear nothing. It's this way back in the woods. And uh. But yeah, there's been a lot of uh, a lot of sightings and stuff up there of bigfoot and even even uh, well, it's primarily known for for dogman sightings and some pretty yeah one ones at that. I've talked to a few people about that, but there's there's definitely some some bigfoot sightings and encounters in that LBL regions. That's very interesting that your wife heard those sounds. Who knows what could have been out there.

49:15 Yeah, it was trying to think of the cab there's a place where you can ridden cabinsh gosh, it's been several years since I've been there, but you can, uh first part of November. A lot of bow owners in their winding cabins. And it's the only place home of LBL that you can want cabins. I just can't clink of a run off top of my head, but they have a whole bunch of cabbins n there. You can rant sales service down there. Sucks. Yeah, would you get up on the other side of kind of um. I guess the northern side of the LBL. Was this a little bit uh hillier? You can get You can get a lot more better service up that way. You walk off gun and involved get get no sales serviceness. I don't like being out without a sale, you know, grew up without one. But man, what we like?

50:08 Yeah, no, I get it. It's weird not being able to connect with loved ones or a safety professional if you need one. But sometimes you go to areas where you just you can't do it. But Perry, this has been a really fascinating chat, some super fun accounts. Thank you so much, And I hope people listening to this maybe this will jog something in their memory about something they experienced in Virginia or Alberta, Canada. And you're more welcome to send me an email if you'd like to share what happened to you at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and we can start the conversation there for sure. But Perry, thank you so much for spending some time with me tonight. Absolutely have a good day here at Bigfoot Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment, but we need to hear your story.

51:13 If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening