July 11, 2025

Three Nights of Terror in Bigfoot Country!

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Season 1

What happens when a seasoned military vet and outdoorsman goes deer hunting deep in Southeast Oklahoma — and ends up surrounded by footsteps, whispers, and unexplainable lights in the night?

In this intense and eerie episode, we sit down with Jerry, a retired security professional with decades of experience in the woods, who shares the chilling events that unfolded over three nights at a remote ridge near Cloudy, Oklahoma. From deliberate footsteps circling his tent, to strange gibberish voices, to a glowing orb floating silently down a logging road — Jerry’s encounter is one you won’t forget.

You’ll hear stories from the Honobia Hunting Area, Three Rivers Wildlife Area, and the shadowy depths of the Ouachita Mountains — including moments of overwhelming fear, deer vanishing from camera feeds, and light phenomena that left even the wildlife frozen in place.

More than just a Bigfoot tale, this episode dives into the strange overlap of the physical and the paranormal — and how one unforgettable trip forever changed how Jerry sees the woods.

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's

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story isn't from a thrill seeker or a paranormal investigator.

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It's from a retired military man, a lifelong hunter and

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outdoorsman who thought he knew every sound the woods could make,

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but deep in the ridges near Cloudy, Oklahoma, something changed that.

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So the three nights, one orb of light and slow

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heavy footsteps that crept through camp, stopping just outside his tent.

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No wind, no animals, just silence and something watching. This

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isn't a camp rumor, it's not passed down around a fire.

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It's a first hand account from someone who doesn't scare easy.

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And this is the story of Jerry in what he

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encountered in the Southeast Oklahoma wilds. So stay with us,

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all right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege of talking

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to Jerry today. Jerry's an individual that reached out about

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some interesting things he experienced in Southeast Oklahoma. A few

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things about Jerry. He is retired from thirty years in

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the security field. He's also former military. He's an outdoorsman,

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and he also enjoys making custom knives. So Jerry, it's

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a privilege to have you on the show. Thank you

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for coming on the show to share what you experienced.

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I'm going to go ahead and pass things over to you.

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And if there's anything else that you need to share,

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you know, about yourself or background, feel free to do

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that as well. But you can go ahead, Jerry.

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All right, Well, I guess the main main experience was

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I've got a buddy I worked with for ten plus

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years and he had let me back up just a

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little bit. He was starting to get into hunting, and

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I took him a few times and he got his

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first deer and whatnot. Anyway, a friend of his from

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another company, their family had a deer camp in southeastern Oklahoma.

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And actually where that was is there's a Honobia or Hondoby,

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however you want to say it, Slash Three Rivers area

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that it's a big hunting area. I think it's actually

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logging land that the state leases from them for outdoorsmen.

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Pretty remote area, but they had a family hunting camp

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down there and have had for years. And so this

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buddy of his from the other company asked him if

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he wanted to come down to deer camp, and this

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would have probably been about he went a couple of times,

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so probably the twenty seventeen eighteen timeframe, and nothing remarkable

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as far as I know, happened there. But he had

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went off on his own on one of the trips

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there and found a spot that looked pretty promising, and

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then he talked to me, Hey, would you you want

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to go for the twenty twenty deer gun season. Found

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a good spot we can get down there in camp

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and I said sure, so we we main plans headed

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out there, and it's probably in southeastern Oklahoma. There's a town,

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if you want to call it, that called Cloudy. Not

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much there anymore, but it's on a highway that comes

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out of the eastern side of Ratan, Oklahoma, kind of

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cuts across and if you stayed on it, you'd end

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up probably in the Broken Bow area. But so this

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is this location is right after Cloudy, you're going to

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turn into the Hanobi hunting area. And I think, if

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I'm not mistaken, it's like three hundred thousand acres of

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pine trees, hardwoods, that kind of thing. So we headed

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down there and the camp that he had found was

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on top of a ridge slash mountain here they call

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them mountains they're probably just ridges, but we were probably

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I don't know, three miles off the highway, and it

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wasn't much of a highway, so it's pretty remote. But

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we got off in there and the camp was actually

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on top of a ridge, so you had to follow

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the is all logging roads by the way, so you

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had to follow this logging road up and kind of

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circle around the ridge to get to the top and

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ended up being it's all pine trees and it was

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just a cleared area right at the very top in

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the middle of these pine trees. So that was camp.

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And we had got there. The night we had got

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there was it was the friday before deer season opens,

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which is I guess since like November twentieth thereabouts. I

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don't know what it was on that year. We had uh,

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we had it. Uh. He got off work about noon

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and we headed down this about a three and a

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half hour drive, four hour drive, and so we got

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there with probably an hour before dark, enough time to

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set up camp, get something to eat, that kind of thing.

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And it was hot. It was like eighty degrees which

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is pretty warm even here for November. But we got

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everything set up and ended up we ate and both

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of us went to bed, and so sometime in the

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middle of the night, I'd woke up and it was

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it was like, really really quiet. There wasn't any air,

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and they're supposed to be a front coming in the

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next day, so I guess we were kind of in

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between it. But it was really quiet, and I heard

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what sounds to me is handed to me like and

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the whole floor was covered in pine needles, or the

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whole ground everything was pine needles. And so my tent

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was probably I don't know, fifteen yards off the edge

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of the woods. And I woke up and I'm laying

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there and I hear just a slow crunch, and then

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about two seconds later another slow crunch. And this started

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on the south side of my tent in the woods there,

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maybe right at the edge, fifteen yards away or thereabouts.

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And my first thought was, well, I looked at it

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was two in the morning. I looked at my watch.

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My first thought was, maybe maybe it's a bear, maybe

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a mountain lion, because both of those are down there,

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or maybe we had seen there's wild horses they're loose

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out there. That interesting that the movie Kidalgo There released

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that horse, the real horse out there and they're all

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all part of that strain. But anyway, so I'm thinking

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to myself that what is this? And the more I

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listened to it, it was definitely on two feet, and

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so my next thought was, okay, is that it's somebody

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from another camp messing with us? But the nearest camp

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that we passed was at least a mile away, and

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we were on top of a ridge, so I couldn't

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see that being the case, you know, and I've always

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heard about the story. Southeastern Oklahoma is rich with stories

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of Bigfoot and all kinds of stuff, So that came

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to mind. And I listened to this slow walk, you know,

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crunch crunch, from the south side all the way around

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the east side of my tent, and I'd sent you

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a couple of pictures. I don't know if you've seen those,

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but it came around about the time it got to

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the side that's I got a little panicked, you know,

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so I grabbed my flashlight. I had a nine milimeter

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land there, I'm sitting on my cot and I listened

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to this whatever it is walk around and in between

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mine and my buddy's tents, there's a picnic table with

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an awning over it and all our camp stuff's on it.

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So I and this may have took five minutes or thereabouts,

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but I heard it walk all the way around, and

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then I heard it kind of going through the stuff

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on our table, you know. I heard the coffee pot

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dink and some stuff move, and I thought, I really

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want to know what this is, you know, And it's

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weird how thoughts start running through your mind. I'm sitting

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there with a nine millimeter in a flashlight and all

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I had to do is on zip the tent. But

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then I thought, you know, if I am zipped that

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tent as quiet as it is, all focus is going

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to be on me. And I wasn't sure I wanted that,

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you know. So I was having kind of a struggle

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on what to do. And in the middle of that,

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then I heard it start walking off to the north

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out of the camp and never got to look at it.

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But that's all I can come up with. That's the

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I mean, I'm not a disbeliever, but I'm not one

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hundred percent of believer, you know. I'm kind of in

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the I need solid proof kind of deal. But so

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that was that was really I didn't sleep much the

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rest of the morning. The next morning, got up and

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my buddy got out of his tent and I related

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to him, and he's kind of a more of a

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logical kind of guy, you know, there's an explanation for everything,

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kind of deal. I related to him and he was like, wow,

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that's kind of weird. And so we went on with

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our day. I went hunting, he went his way, I

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went mine. And later on, just right before dark, I

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got back to camp and he is still out. So

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I thought, well, I'll get a fire going and maybe

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get started cooking something. And so I went about that,

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and in the meantime he had gotten dark, I had

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sat back in my recliner, my chair fulled out chair

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recliner deal, and I'm hearing kyotes, which were probably on

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the next ridge over because it's pretty it's kind of

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rugged out there, so I'm listening to those. And right

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about the time, now I got a back up, because

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that was the third night. I'll go ahead with that

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and i'll tell you the second night what happened to Phil.

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But so that I got everything started, sat back in

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the deal listening to the coyotes. As soon as they

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quit to my west, back in the woods, probably down

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the ridgeways. I could hear something I'm not I wasn't

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sure what it was. It piqued my attention. I turned

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around so I could hear better, and it sounded like

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it sounded like gibberish, and there were two different tones.

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You could hear distinctly, two different tones, and I could,

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for the life of me, make out anything that was

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being said, but it sounded like gibberish. So I grabbed

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my flashlight, pointed it in that direction and it immediately stopped.

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That kind of freaked me out a little bit. But

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back back to the second night. So the night after

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I originally had heard the footsteps, I'd went to bed

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early that night the second night because I didn't get

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much sleep the night before. And I guess Phil, my buddy,

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had in his tent he was reading. He was reading

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an audiobook, so he was staying it was probably I

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probably crashed out about eight or nine, so he guesses

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it was probably around moonish or I mean, mid nine ish,

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and he he heard what he describes as kind of

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a weir hum kind of thing, and he said it

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sounded sort of like what you'd imagine maybe electric bike

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or something along those lines. And so he ends up

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his tent looked out and we're where you can see

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through the trees about I don't know, fifty yards away

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the logging road that came up to our camp. And

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now he said he seen and he didn't say orb,

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but that's what it sounds like to me, like a

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ball of light softball maybe bigger, pretty high in the air,

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ten feet or so something like that, going down the

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road very slowly. And it went down and turned into

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where we were, which is probably forty yards down the

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drive up to our camp. And said it it slowly

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came up the road, went through the camp and straight

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into the woods and kept going. And he was he

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was just kind of matter of factly about it, you know,

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like I said, I don't know. You could tell that

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it bothered him a little bit that something like that happened,

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and he didn't have an answer for it. But and

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then the third night was when I when I heard

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him in the back or heard whatever it was back

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there talking or mumbling or something. But that's that is

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pretty much the experience at that time. We went back

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to the same campground or camping spot in twenty twenty one,

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and it was basically pretty uneventful, except I had one

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of the mornings I decided to go around to the west.

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The logging road kind of left out of our place,

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went about a half a mile, curved around to the

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left or to the west about a half a mile,

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and then there was a t in the road, and

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you can go right or left. I went left, and

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it kind of went up the ridge further, and when

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you got to the top there you could see an

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old logging road that went to the west, you know,

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like a gradually inclined probably down half a mile a

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quarter to a half a mile way down in there,

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and the same on the other side, which kind of

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put that the ridge we were on, and then there

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was another ridge to the west of that, so this

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kind of went down in between. And I was not

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thinking anything about what had happened the previous year, or

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Bigfoot any of that kind of stuff. So I decided, hey,

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there might be some deer down there. So I slowly

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worked my way down, and it was probably one hundred

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and fifty yards gradual incline all the way down to

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the bottom, and then it curved to the right, so I,

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you know, i'd take four or five steps to stop

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listening for a while and then move on and got

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to the bottom and made my turn, and the logan

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road had quit, and I thought, well, I could probably

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work my way around to the logan road that we

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came on that started up the hill when we first

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got there. And thing when we first got there that

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in twenty twenty. As soon as you started up the road,

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the logging road kind of split off to the left

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and went into a valley. But it was really strange

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because you could stand there and look down in there,

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and it was dark in the middle of the day.

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It was dark, and it was so overgrown. So I

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thought maybe I could work my way over there and

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come out on that other logging road. And I got

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down in there, probably another fifty yards or so, and

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everything's fine. I'm just scanning for deer, you know, listening

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for anything, and the hair on the back of my neck.

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I've never had this happen. Stood straight up. I had

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just a it was a weird feeling. I had like

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a chill that went down my back, and it's like

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somebody flipped a switch and I was instantly in panic mode.

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I don't know what happened. Has never happened to me before.

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It was just weird. And so I'm standing there looking

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around and decided, I'm I'm just I'm not going in there,

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you know, So uh turned around, made my way back

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out the whole time, you know, every five ten steps

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looking behind me. I don't. It was just weird. Never

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had that feeling before. But so that twenty twenty one,

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that's really that's really all that happened. But after after

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all of this, I started listening to podcasts like Yours

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and others, and reading stuff and you know, seeing some

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stuff on TV. Although some of that's kind of garbage,

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but and it made me think back of several different

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instances where there would be something not normal, happened, something strange,

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and it just dismissed it off as wow, that's kind

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of cool, that's weird, you know, and go on. But

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after listening to these podcasts and whatnot and kind of

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hearing other people's stories of how these things act, you know,

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I started thinking back of these different different experiences you know,

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I had with my wife, one with another hunting buddy,

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and it kind of makes sense, you know, some of

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the some of the stuff like me and my wife

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had went to and this is probably two thousand and

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two right there, and it would have been in the

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late summer. I went down and while while I was

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working before I retired, that was my The whole southwestern

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part of the state was my area. So I'd been

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in and out of the Wichita Wildlife Management Area, which

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is it's a pretty rugged area in southwest Oklahoma. We

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like to hike down there. So we went down there

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off and on. Well, we decided this Saturday, that Saturday,

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to go down and check out one of the areas

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we hadn't been to yet, and it was called I

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think Post Oak Falls, which was in the Charin's Garden

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area if anybody's familiar with that. It's kind of the

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south west corner of the Wildlife Management area, but it

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is about three quarters to a mile back in there

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through the canyon and there're supposed to be a pretty

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nice little waterfall. So we parked in the parking area

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and started our walk up the trail there and there

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was birds, I mean bugs, the normal sounds that you hear,

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and we got pretty pretty good ways up in their

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maybe three quarters of a mile, and you had the

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trail went down into the canyon, and so we got

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down to the bottom where the little creek was that

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came off of that waterfall and started walking back in there,

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and it was My wife said, did you hear that?

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And I said, I don't hear what. I don't hear anything.

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She goes, that's it, there's nothing, and it was it

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was like completely quiet everything like somebody flipped the switch

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shut off. So we kind of cut that short and decided, well,

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well we'll head back out. We got back up out

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of the canyon onto the the top there where the

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trail heads back to the car, and it was it

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was still. It was one of the one of the

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I've never experienced this, but it's one of the quiets.

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This excruciatingly loud. I don't know if you know what

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I mean. You stand there and it's so quiet that

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it's it's like a buzzing in your ear and it's

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it's uh, it's crazy. But that was. That was very weird.

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And I've heard on some of these podcasts where, you

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know a lot of times people say that the force

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goes quiet, everything stops, you know. I don't know what

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happened there, but that was it was kind of a

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weird situation, just kind of it was one of those

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deals where wow, that's odd, it's kind of cool, and

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we went on our way never thought anything about it.

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So and there's we we did. We did our anniversary

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and at a cabin in Broken Bow, which is it's

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real far southeast Oklahoma around Broken Bow Lake, there's a

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bunch of you can rent cabins and whatnot. So we

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had and this was again in November, and decided that

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we took our twenty twos and decided, well, we'd go

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back up find some woods and go squirrel hunting. So

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we left Hoochatown or Hochatown, which is a little community

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there right out right off Broken Bow Lake, and so

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we drove I think it's Highway two fifty nine, I'm

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not sure, but it goes out of a Broken Bow

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and heads up further into the get you go very

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much further and you're in the Quatchatah National Forest. But

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we had headed up there probably six or seven miles,

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and I was just looking for a logging road to

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turn off on, and there was one on the right,

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so we turned off on that and we probably made

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our way back in there a couple miles I'm guessing,

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and got out and kind of we walked around the

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woods a little bit and again it was that silence,

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like there was not a sound to be heard, and

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we heard, and this is about noon, we heard an

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owl to our south that would have been our south,

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and about a minute later we heard an owl to

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the north, which struck me as weird because never in

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my life, and this may happen, but I've never heard

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owls in the middle of the day. It's usually dusk,

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early or usually overnight. But that kind of that kind

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of hit us as a little bit weird too. But

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it's weird you think back to all these different deals

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that happened after you, after you've had an experience, even

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a small one, and you start looking into it, and

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you can think back on different occasions where it's like, well,

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I don't know something. You know, something might have been

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happening there, I'm just not sure. But in the other

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other one I can think of. And this would have

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been about two thousand, another body from work. We me

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and my wife had bought in east central Oklahoma, right

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at the Arkansas line. We had purchased eighty acres from

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a gentleman. Him and his wife used to go out

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and hike and their knees had gotten bad and they

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just wanted to wanted to sell it, so we had

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purchased that and it was actually there's two mountain slash

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peaks wherever you want to call them, east of Poto, Oklahoma,

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one of them, and they're right on the Arkansas line.

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One of them is called Poto Mountain and the other

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is Oklahoma Peak. Well, the eighty acres we bought was

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eighty acres right on top of Oklahoma Peak. And again

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that's all warehouser logging area. And we got it cheap

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because there was no there's no access other than the

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logging row. You really couldn't do anything with it. But

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we thought it'd be it would be cool to have,

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you know, just some some uh woods mountains something, you know,

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so we could we could go out and hike and

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camp or whatever we wanted to do. But me and

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my buddy had decided to go up there and stay

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a couple of nights deer hunting. And it was pretty

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much the same as farther southeast from Oklahoma. It was

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a lot of pine trees, a lot of hardwoods. But

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we had I got in and we could only get

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about maybe to the foothill of the mountain Oklahoma Peak,

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and then we had to get out and we both

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had backpacks. We hiked for about an hour and we

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got maybe halfway up and decided to it and set

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up camp and we just messed messed with getting to

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the top the next day, so we made camp, had

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went to bed, and I'm not I didn't look at

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my watch out. I'm not sure what time of night

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it was, but I heard something in the woods and

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it was like it wasn't something walking through the woods.

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It was something breaking branches as it went through the woods.

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I thought it was a bear. My buddy in the

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other tent said, hey, did you hear that? And I

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said yeah. We both got out of the tents and

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we could hear this going from about the level we

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were all the way down the mountain, out of range

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where we couldn't hear it anymore, and that that really

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kind of freaked us out because we thought maybe we

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got a bear wandering around. So we ended up staying

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up around the campfire. It was kind of chilly that

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night anyhow. We stayed up all night long by the campfire,

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and the next morning we were both ragged from standing.

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We just packed up and left. But again, that's another

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one of those instances that after looking back and hearing

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other people's stories and whatnot, it's like, well, what if you.

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Know, Jerry, what is it like experiencing that specifically? But

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when it's on property that you own.

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Well, I mean I was full, full, in full belief

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it was a bear. Now, I you know, I never

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heard a bear do that, because it's just like people describe,

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you know, of something taken off through the woods. They're

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not just running through the woods, they're crashing stuff all

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the way through. I'm not sure if I've heard a

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bear do that or even seen how TV a bear

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do that. So that brings up questions. But sadly, not

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long maybe six months after that, we ended up selling

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that property. I wish I wouldn't have to this day,

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but it was. I live in central Oklahoma, so it

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took us. The only way to actually get to it.

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We went out to look at it when he wanted

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to sell it to us. So we left Poto and

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went up those logging roads out of Poto that went

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up I guess Poto Mountain and kind of went over.

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So me and my wife and my son we decided

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to head up there and I had GPS coordinates that

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he had given me. So we're pretty far back up

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in there on the logging roads and heard another view

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and we're in the middle of nowhere. Again, there's nothing

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out there, it's just woods Mountain logging road. Heard another

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vehicle and it ended up being a jeep and there's

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two guys in it. They pulled up and they said, well,

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what are y'all doing here? And we said, well, we

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bought some property. We're trying to locate it. He asked

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where it was at and I told him and he said, well,

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you're ways away from that. He goes, do you have

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a gun, which I thought was you know, we just

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meet these people in National we have a gun, you know.

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I said, well, no, I got a knife. Don't have

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a gun. On mean. He goes, well, if I were you,

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and this is advice I've got turn of my life,

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don't come up in here without a pistol or a rifle.

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And I said, why is that and he said, well,

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there's things up in here that you don't want to

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run across. And that was where he left that, and

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he said, there approachers up here that are not going

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to be happy you found them. So whoa, whoa, yeah, exactly.

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So we turned around and headed back out, and so

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we were determined to find a different way to get

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to this property. And the way we found we had

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to go into on the north side of both of

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these menas into Arkansas, and there was a road that

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went south kind of right at the border, and after

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talking to the guy that sold it to us, he

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said there was a big green gate about three miles

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south of where you turn, and we found that and

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that ended up putting this directly east of that of

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that mountain where the property was, you know, by an

459
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.839
hour and a half a mile. So that's how we

460
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.000
got to but it took us like four hours to

461
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.880
get there, and we were both this is when, you know,

462
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.039
we were both had our careers and working pretty heavy

463
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.319
and we just didn't have time and seeing no good

464
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.680
reason to be paying for property that we've only been to,

465
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:36.839
you know, a couple of times. So but yeah, it

466
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.839
was uh, it was supposed to be. Ran across the

467
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:44.359
guy when we when we got there to look at it,

468
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.480
and he his wife dropped him off on Friday and

469
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:51.880
he hundred all weekend long in that area and his

470
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.119
wife picked him up on Monday. I mean, this is

471
00:30:55.119 --> 00:31:00.240
a small town in Arkansas Flash, Oklahoma. So uh talk

472
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.279
to him and he said, yeah, there's a there. I

473
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.039
told him about the property. He said, yeah, there's a

474
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.119
there's a hunting cabin right on top. Up there at

475
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.160
the very top. He said, there's some big bowlders up

476
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:14.400
there that's got like writing inscribed on them, maybe old

477
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.480
Spanish or something, you know. So that was I was

478
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:21.640
kind of I really wanted to see those, but as

479
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.799
far away as it was, it just wasn't practical. So

480
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:25.920
I wish we had Now that I'm retired, I wish

481
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:26.440
I had it.

482
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.839
So so do you think that you owned that the

483
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:38.880
area with the cabin and the rocks with the inscription, Yes, absolutely, Dennis, Wow,

484
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:40.359
oh man, but it's so hard.

485
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.880
I know, it was ridiculously hard because we we had

486
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:49.279
backpacks on. I had a Suzu Amigo with big tires.

487
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.680
You know. It got through those little logging roads pretty easy.

488
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.200
And we could only get maybe less than a quarter

489
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.039
of way up the side of it before the logging

490
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.880
road ended, so it was pretty rough hiking to get

491
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:06.279
halfway up. So it was it was back in there

492
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.519
and like I said, it was completely surrounded by warehouser logging.

493
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:12.480
It was on an island by itself, but it was

494
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.400
the top of the mountain, you know, where they couldn't log,

495
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:18.279
so they didn't want nothing to do with that. But

496
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:20.319
he that, that guy swore he said, yeah, there's a

497
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:25.000
there's a little hunting cabin up there, and uh, he said,

498
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.839
there's an area right before you get to the top.

499
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:31.440
It's got these huge, like ten twelve foot tall, flat

500
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.319
faced rocks. And he goes, there's there's stuff carved in

501
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.759
or gouged into the side all around those things. And

502
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.079
I've you know, since then, I've researched and whatnot in

503
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.480
the Spanish and they've been all in that area. So

504
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.559
there's there's no telling what it could have been.

505
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:55.680
Goodness. That's that is absolutely wild. And even more wild

506
00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:02.880
is the dude who's like, there's no questions that.

507
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.519
Okay, all right, yeah, let me back up on that one.

508
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:06.880
Yeah.

509
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:08.920
So we got to the gate and I had a

510
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.960
gun with me this time. Okay, you take the guy's advice.

511
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.599
Had a gun with me, So me and my wife

512
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.799
and the gate warehouse are kept at locked. But the

513
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.519
guy bought the lantern. H mem said, they don't mind

514
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:20.039
if you use the log and trails, you can drive

515
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.920
around the gate. So we found where you can drive around.

516
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:27.160
We pull off in there, and this guy with no

517
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.400
shirt on comes walking out of the woods because there's

518
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.240
like a kind of a field between the fence and

519
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.480
where you start up the mountain and it gets wooded.

520
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.680
So he comes walking out of the woods, you know,

521
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.079
and you know, my wife look at each other and

522
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.319
I said, give me that pistol. You know. She gives

523
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.759
me the pistol, and I got it cock sitting in

524
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.279
my lap, and I thought, I don't know what's about

525
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.920
to happen here. And so he comes walking up and

526
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.960
he's just the friendliest dude you'd ever meet. You know, Hey,

527
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.680
how y'all doing today? You know? I said, well, yeah,

528
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.359
doing pretty good. We bought eighty acres on top of

529
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.200
Oklahoma Peak, which I guess is this right here? And

530
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.319
he goes, yep, that's it right there, And so he

531
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.599
started telling us, you know, his wife drops him off

532
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:12.199
on Friday and he hunts all through this through the

533
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:14.719
mountain and everything and kills what he can kill, and

534
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:24.559
his wife picks him up on Monday. So that was that.

535
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.760
That is that is wild, and it's like these are

536
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.519
questions that can never be answered. But it's like, so

537
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.440
the U and the guy was pretty much saying, there's

538
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.800
stuff up here you don't wanna you don't wanna see,

539
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.360
but there's also people that are shooting it.

540
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.639
Well that yeah. The first time we went, we came

541
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.760
from the pot from the Oklahoma side by Poto and

542
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:53.679
went up those logging roads, which it's kind of both

543
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.599
of the mountains are right next to each other, but

544
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:00.440
it's just like a huge kind of dip or low

545
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.000
spot between them, you know, and there's it's mountainous. It's

546
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.480
just you know, mountainous all through there, and it's all

547
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:11.159
heavily pine tree and hardwood, you know. So when you

548
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.559
get in there, you're in there, and it goes up

549
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:17.519
and down and around and over creeks and whatnot. But yeah,

550
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:20.239
those two guys in the jeep pulled up and his

551
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.159
exact words were, you don't want to be up in

552
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.800
here without some kind of protection, you know, you need

553
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:33.159
to get your gun or something. And I said, well,

554
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.280
what's what's the story with that? And he goes, well,

555
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.519
there's stuff out here that you don't want to run across.

556
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.960
And he goes, and there are approachers out here, because

557
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:44.599
if you keep going, you'll find a little shack where

558
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:48.280
they've hung up deer, you know, and cleaned them. He

559
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.280
goes that they'll come off in here and poach deer,

560
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.000
but that you know, you run across them. Them dudes,

561
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:54.599
there's no guarantee what's going to happen.

562
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.880
Okay, I got it. So yeah, yeah, yep, yep. It's

563
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.519
kind of like you got two tofer and things to

564
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.880
look out for, but not necessarily they're going after Okay,

565
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:04.559
I got it.

566
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.199
Right, right. He said, don't you need to goun or

567
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:08.000
something up in here?

568
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:08.880
Wow?

569
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:11.559
And we took his We took his word for it.

570
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:13.920
He said, I've lived here in my whole life. He goes,

571
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:14.880
you don't want to be up here.

572
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.559
That's wild. I'm it is a it's a crazy area.

573
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:25.719
I'm looking at it on a mapping program and it

574
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.519
is very interesting. I mean, that mountain just goes up

575
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:31.320
out of nowhere.

576
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.480
Yeah, it's the the Oklahoma Peak and the Poteo Mountain

577
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.000
right there on the edge of right on the border.

578
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.559
If you look to the east from that, it's all

579
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.440
Quadchton National Forest. I mean it just it goes on

580
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.800
and on, you know, way into Arkansas.

581
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.920
Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean the wash Tizer just are

582
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:59.239
absolutely crazy. So Jerry, you have you've really experienced some

583
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.920
some interesting stuff over the years down there. After you

584
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:07.119
had these experiences and you were starting to look listen

585
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:11.480
to things like podcasts and stuff, did you also start researching, like,

586
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:15.599
okay about all the Bigfoot related things that have happened

587
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.480
in that area down the southeast.

588
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.800
Oh yeah, okay, Oh yeah, I regularly checked BRFO. Yeah,

589
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.840
but yeah, any stories like on your podcast or any

590
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.679
of the other ones that are out there that mention Oklahoma.

591
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.159
I mean, I'm going to listen to it just to

592
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:35.400
see what other experiences people have had and if any

593
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.719
of them are like mine or where mine were, or

594
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.360
any of that kind of deal. You know, it's weird.

595
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.039
Before any of this ever happened, it was like I

596
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:48.840
wasn't a disbeliever because I mean they're finding like new

597
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.360
species of stuff every day. You know, it's where look

598
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.440
where humanity is right now, where we're building spaceships and

599
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.800
cars and houses and all that stuff. You know, if

600
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.000
there's been Bigfoot or whatever that's been around that long

601
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.000
you know, they may not have evolved like we did,

602
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.199
but they've got to be in tune with where they're living,

603
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.760
you know what I mean. They've they've got to. Yeah,

604
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.840
they've got to be pretty acute and pretty pretty pretty

605
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.280
good at hiding or staying hidden.

606
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.320
Absolutely, It's it's very weird to think about that how

607
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.559
our culture is right now, there's a whole you know, like, oh,

608
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.440
let's let's start going to other planets, while meanwhile we

609
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.840
don't even know all the creatures that live on our

610
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:41.199
own because it's still being discovered, right.

611
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.360
It's it's yeah, it's weird. I listen to the podcast

612
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.239
and watch TV. You know, some some programs, like I said,

613
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.199
some of them are garbage. You know, there's one on

614
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.480
the other day that was talking about how vicious Bigfoot

615
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.199
was and he's a killer and all that, And I'm like,

616
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.960
come on, man, where's the proof if you got somebody

617
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.239
that's been killed by big Bigfoot? I don't think so.

618
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.840
But you know, it's just weird how people go off

619
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:10.239
on different angles with it. But you know, I I

620
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.840
think it's one hundred percent possible that there's stuff out

621
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.800
there that it's just so good it staying away from us.

622
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.880
You know, it's just it's not even a question for

623
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.840
me that that's possible. And as far as you know,

624
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.760
some I've heard even on the podcast, like on You're

625
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:33.199
showing others where people have talked about them actually possibly

626
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.840
being interdimensional, which you know, I thought about that for

627
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.239
a while and my first thought was, Okay, that's going

628
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.599
a little far. But then you know, it's weird because

629
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:52.679
interdimensional is just another for example, we have I've lived

630
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.719
in this house thirty three years, me and my wife.

631
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.440
I'm one hundred percent convinced I've got a spirit in

632
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:03.039
this house guaranteed. So thinking about that, I'm thinking, well,

633
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:09.320
you know, I have my own proof, so I guess

634
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:10.920
it's possible. You know.

635
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.719
So when did that stuff start happening for you guys.

636
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.320
Well, we had lived here, I don't know, probably ten years.

637
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.920
This is the house we live in. We live in

638
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.760
the town of well, should I say that, no, prob

639
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:33.440
We live in a small town. And before this was

640
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:39.440
actually a town, before it grew into a town. The

641
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.480
lady we had me and my wife first got married,

642
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.320
we lived next door, small town. Got to know her

643
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:51.960
real well. She was Cherokee, Indian. Her husband had built

644
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:53.920
this house one room at a time. She said, when

645
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:59.760
they first moved here, there was nothing here, nothing that fields, trees, nothing,

646
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.840
and so they built a one room house and then

647
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:09.000
slowly built onto it. So it's been here quite a while,

648
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:14.800
I mean a long time. And when she me and

649
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.760
my wife had at the time lived and we moved

650
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.880
to enid By the base, but we lived up there,

651
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.840
and her daughter got ahold of us and said, look, mom,

652
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.519
is she's going to come live with me because she's

653
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.719
got some health problems. She wants you to have the house.

654
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.400
And I said, well, what do you mean she wants

655
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.239
me to have. She just wants to sell it to you.

656
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.400
And I said, well, I don't know. You know, we're

657
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.079
just getting started. I don't know if I got courage.

658
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.760
She goes, he didn't ask that. She just wants you

659
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.199
to make payments on it. So that's when we moved in.

660
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.559
So it's been here a long time. Like I said, before,

661
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:48.880
most anything around here was so there may be some

662
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.039
history there of some sort. I don't know. But we

663
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.599
lived here about ten years and nothing, as far as

664
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:01.719
I know, happened. But my me and my son were home.

665
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:04.599
I was home for lunch. My son was home in summertime,

666
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:06.800
so he was out of school. My wife was at work.

667
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.679
So he's in his bedroom with his door closed, you

668
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.679
know all kids that got their door closes on his computer,

669
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.559
and I'm in the in the living room, and it

670
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.440
smelt like somebody dumped over a bottle of perfume. I

671
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.719
mean right in front of me. It was that strong.

672
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.880
My eyes started water and my nose was burning. It

673
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.519
was like holy cow. And my first thought was Zach

674
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:36.480
and my son had broke one of his Colone bottles somehow,

675
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.119
And I asked him to think that's strong enough, and

676
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.599
he goes, what are you talking about? I smell it too,

677
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.199
So I opened his door, and I mean the whole

678
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.119
house smelt like it, and I got had a lab

679
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.079
that got into everything, So I thought, well, maybe he

680
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.440
had got in our bedroom dad into something. So I

681
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.480
walked back there, walked into the room, didn't smell anything.

682
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.800
And when I came back to the liver room and

683
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.000
the smell was completely gone, like it never happened, I

684
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.239
mean gone from the house. You couldn't even smell it anywhere,

685
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.039
and it was so strong it made your eyes water.

686
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:07.840
That was the very first time that we had any

687
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:11.679
kind of a you know, anything that made you think

688
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:17.599
huh so right again, I was sitting in the recliner

689
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.159
by the by the front door. I got a table

690
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.079
next to me on the right with the lamp and whatnot.

691
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.159
My lab is laying by the front door, and his

692
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.119
only act explaining it's like somebody put their hand under

693
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.000
you know, it's an open, open table. In other words,

694
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:34.920
just got the top and then the legs, no, nothing

695
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.440
underneath it. And it was like somebody put their hand

696
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.239
under there and just hit the bottom of the table.

697
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.719
I mean everything that's flying off the table, the lamp

698
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.679
hit the floor. My dog I looked over when that happened,

699
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:50.079
and he had just had enough time to raise his

700
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:54.199
head and go oh crap, and he took off headed

701
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.679
to the back of the house. Again. That was weird.

702
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:03.599
So about then I'm thinking, okay, there's there might be

703
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:10.320
something happening here. And over the years, probably four or

704
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.760
five times you'll walk through the house and just randomly

705
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:19.360
catch that perfume smell. I mean it's just there and

706
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.800
then it's gone. It might be there a couple of minutes,

707
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.559
might be there thirty seconds, but it's just it's weird.

708
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.599
It's weird. I think the last time anything happened was

709
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.320
probably four or five years ago. We have a room

710
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.480
that we had had gutted that we were remodeling, and

711
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.400
so we kept it, kept the door closed so the

712
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.039
dogs wouldn't get in there, and actually we kept it latched.

713
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.599
And I at the time, I had a lab and

714
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.199
then we had a little little lap dog. So come

715
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.480
home from work and I'm home for my wife gets

716
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:56.800
home every day. So I got got home, come in

717
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.639
the doors wide open. I'm like, in the world, app

718
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.519
I must have forgot to latch it. So I closed it.

719
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:04.639
Three days in a row, I'd come home and that

720
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.239
door was wide open after I made absolutely sure it

721
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.159
was locked and latched. So then I decided, Okay, I'm

722
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.280
going to find out what's happening. And I had one

723
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:17.480
of those little digital recorders, and I sent the dogs

724
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.679
out back, and I turned all the ceiling fans off,

725
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.599
turned everything off, and went in the dining room where

726
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:26.199
that door was, and started asking questions, you know, because

727
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:29.800
I thought, well, maybe it's the lady that used to

728
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.000
live here, or maybe her husband, because he built this

729
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.679
all by hand. I thought, well, maybe they're just still

730
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.840
here and maybe not happy with something. I don't know.

731
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.719
So I started asking questions and I got I said,

732
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:49.559
is is this mister so and so nothing? You know,

733
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.960
is this missus so and so nothing? And I said,

734
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.840
are you the one that keeps opening this door? And

735
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:04.039
clearly on the recorder it said no, I heard that

736
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.119
I walked out in the front yard. That kind of

737
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.039
really freaked me out a little bit. I called my

738
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:12.039
wife and told her what happened, and that pretty much

739
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.679
put a lid on it. So there's something here, something,

740
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:20.559
something's here. We don't think about much anymore. I mean,

741
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.960
we'll have I did have a set of keys that

742
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.880
i'd come home to my truck. Bought a brand new truck.

743
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:27.920
It comes with two sets of keys. So I had

744
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:29.719
a set of keys and I come in. I always

745
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.599
set my keys on the table next to the chair,

746
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.800
so I did that, and hour or two later I

747
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:39.400
went to leave. The keys are gone. I multiple times

748
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:43.239
over the years have looked for those keys and furniture

749
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:48.119
and everywhere you could possibly think. I've scoured the yard everywhere.

750
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:55.519
They're just gone. But really I don't feel I could

751
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.920
see anything bad. You know, We'll be sitting sitting on

752
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.280
the TV and in the back of the house we'll

753
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.320
hear a door close and there's no wind door or

754
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.320
the windows are closed. Just odd things happen, but it's

755
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.559
gotten to be almost a running joke now, you know.

756
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:17.000
We'll hear something and go, well, it must be the ghost, right, yeah.

757
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.280
Oh man, that's why. And that happened before the bigfoot stuff.

758
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.239
Yeah, this is this is way before and it's kind

759
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.119
of been ongoing. I think the door the door stuff

760
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:32.360
coming open was after, but it's been stretched you know,

761
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.960
over over twenty five years, so it's been stretched out.

762
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.519
You know, every couple two or three years, something will

763
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.960
get weird, something will happen, and you're like, I don't

764
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:48.039
know about that. Like I said that, the most recent

765
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.280
one was probably about four or five years ago, and

766
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:54.559
that was the door opening and closing or opening, and

767
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:56.440
then I'd come home and close it and latch it

768
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.519
and be open the next day. So hadn't been anything

769
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:04.360
since then. But because of all that, I'm pretty well

770
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.960
convinced that there's something. You know, there are spirits of

771
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:13.840
some sort, right, so it's not completely out of the question,

772
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.719
I guess for maybe bigfoots or sasquatch or whatever to

773
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:20.920
be interdimensional. I mean, you never know.

774
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.519
Now, I mean there's there's so many, you know, questions

775
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.800
in this realm. I talk to people a lot, and

776
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.000
you know, after they have a you know, bigfoot interaction,

777
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:34.159
sometimes they'll get home and and stuff will start to

778
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.440
kick off and they'll you know, see reports like shadow

779
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.519
people or stuff moving around the room, or start hearing things,

780
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:44.280
very very weird stuff.

781
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.360
That jog my mind a little bit. That little dog

782
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:52.119
that we had, it was just a yorkipoo or some

783
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:56.119
little lap dog as my wife's dog. I had a lab,

784
00:48:56.159 --> 00:49:00.840
so I didn't pay much attention, but that dog would

785
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.719
we'd been living and watching TV or reading whatever we're doing.

786
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.119
That dog would get up in one of our laps

787
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.320
and stare at the particular corner of the house and bark.

788
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.559
He'd focus on that corner like he's focusing on a snack.

789
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.280
It's weird. Again. We just attributed that to the to

790
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:26.000
the ghosts. But he was seeing something or thought he

791
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:30.039
was seeing something. I'm not sure, but yeah, ever since,

792
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.480
ever since the deal, when we were camping and I

793
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:39.119
didn't really give two thoughts about it, you know, unless

794
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:43.440
I I didn't. I didn't dig for information. In other words,

795
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.840
it was just you know, and then once you start

796
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.880
looking into it, stuff starts making a whole lot more sense.

797
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.920
There can't be possibly this many people that are liars.

798
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:56.679
They just can't.

799
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.159
Yeah, they're just I think about all the time. I'm

800
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.440
actually it's like that. There's no way. Yeah, it's just too.

801
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.000
I mean, you got you got people that are pillars

802
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.519
of society that are you know, they'll stake their life

803
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:13.639
on the fact that whatever happened happened. You know. It's

804
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.960
just it's just a it's a weird situation. But yeah,

805
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:21.840
now now I go hunting in the woods or uh

806
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.480
we me and my wife go out, you know, anywhere

807
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.079
out in the woods or hunting or hiking or any

808
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:31.679
of that kind of stuff. It's weird. How now you know,

809
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:35.880
my ears are I'm listening for everything. I'm scanning for everything.

810
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:41.480
I'm listening for anything, like the sound to quit. You know,

811
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.840
It's just it just opens you up and you start

812
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.480
you're on a different level.

813
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:53.039
Absolutely, I mean it does. It changes how you perceive

814
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.079
the world, for sure. I do have a few questions

815
00:50:56.119 --> 00:51:01.519
about the actual three day camping trip. Yep, that you

816
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:05.440
shared about. I'm looking at the pictures that you had

817
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.840
sent and did it did it do anything? You had

818
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.199
a shovel in a rake in the pictures? Did it

819
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:13.559
messed with those at all either?

820
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.400
You know, I'm not sure. I don't know if I

821
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:21.639
even paid attention to those. But you see where the

822
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:26.480
picnic table is. It's and I can't believe. I woke

823
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.079
up the next morning and I said, did you not

824
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.719
hear anything last night? And he said, no, I slept

825
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:34.920
all last night because you see how it close that

826
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.800
picnic table is to his tent, the green tent. I'm thinking,

827
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.320
how did you not hear that? Because it was so

828
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:47.760
calm and quiet that whatever whatever walked around and came

829
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.239
up there. It was like they were It's like you

830
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.800
had a you know in camping, camping stuff. You know,

831
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.320
you got a middle coffee pot, you got a metal plates.

832
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.199
A lot of times you got you know, and it

833
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.960
was like it was moving. It was moving stuff on

834
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.519
the table and stuff were clinking together, and you could

835
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:10.800
just hear stuff moving. You know, It's like crap. I

836
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.360
don't know how did you I don't know how you

837
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:17.039
didn't hear that? And you know, there was no I

838
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.480
did think to look to see if there's any footprints,

839
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:26.639
but again, it was all pine needles. There's no foot

840
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.119
It was all hard, hard ground and pine needles. So

841
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.280
I didn't see anything anywhere. And you know, it's weird

842
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.119
that that that night we got there and we were

843
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:38.000
so tired getting the sentence up. I usually have trail

844
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.119
camps everywhere I go. I had, I had a bag

845
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:46.360
full of them. Didn't put anything out that night. Ever

846
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.480
since that first night, they're up. The first thing we

847
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.880
get there, I'm pulling in, I'm putting cameras up. So

848
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:56.039
I don't know. There was somebody on one of the

849
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.360
podcasts that said they they think they could possibly tell

850
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.360
when there's a train okam out there or since the

851
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.400
infrared light or something. I don't know. Yeah, but I

852
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.480
just find it weird that, you know, I didn't put

853
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.760
cameras up, and that's you know, and it's and the

854
00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:14.079
other thing that's weird is the second night I put

855
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.000
cameras up and this thing that my partner saw was

856
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.840
like ten foot off the ground, which the trail cam

857
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:24.559
is not going to catch. It didn't catch any of

858
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.760
that because it's facing the camp into the logging road

859
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:32.000
would have been behind it, and if it came into camp,

860
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.400
it was going to be higher than what that's seeing.

861
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.360
I just find it weird how that works.

862
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:39.800
Yeah, that's really interesting. It's almost like, all right, they

863
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.760
got game cams up, so time to get into like

864
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.159
orb mode or something. Who knows, like.

865
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:50.480
I have gotten. I have gotten on a couple occasions,

866
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:55.119
some very very strange trail cam I've got that. I've

867
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.000
kept those as a matter of fact, this year was

868
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:03.559
one of them. I'm hunting all about fifteen miles east

869
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:05.880
to where I live, which you start getting out into

870
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:08.639
you know you're in the country by the time you

871
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.800
get that far out. And I got a one of

872
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:13.599
the deacons of my church has got property and he

873
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.039
lets me hunt out there. So got the cameras and

874
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.920
the feeder and all that stuff, set out and going

875
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:22.440
through and this I couldn't tell you. It might have

876
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:27.880
been the end of October, but going through the pictures,

877
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.400
and this was taken sometime in the middle of the night.

878
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.079
I don't remember exactly what time, but there's deer at

879
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:39.880
the feeder looking up and there are two lights, balls

880
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.760
of light or lights up in the air and looking

881
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.920
at daylight pictures to compare. They look like they're maybe

882
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.400
fifty foot up in the air and the deer actually

883
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.000
looking up at them. And for the life of me,

884
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:57.000
I can't figure out what that could even possibly be.

885
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:03.800
But stranger than that east of town here on my

886
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.519
uncle's property on a creek. I had to try to

887
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:11.800
stand set up and had cameras out there and had

888
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.719
if you progress to the pictures at about ten o'clock,

889
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:16.000
and I had deer all the way up at the

890
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:17.960
feed us till about ten. Then the deer were gone,

891
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.559
and then from ten o'clock through about two in the

892
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.599
morning there's some of the strangest stuff you'll ever see

893
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.519
in your life. The deer's gone, and then right after

894
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:32.000
that quits the deer back. But there it's like it's

895
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:37.679
very hard to explain. It's like there's almost almost it's

896
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.119
all light light play. There's like a you know, like

897
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:46.039
a streak of light and then one little like a

898
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:49.400
streak up, down and across, and in those streaks that'd

899
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.360
be the profile of a face. It's weird. I'm telling you,

900
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:56.880
it's weird. I've got those pictures. But that went on

901
00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.800
for like almost four hours and then it quit in

902
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:03.039
the in the deer came back and I showed him

903
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:06.320
to my uncle, who's an extreme with godfaring man, and

904
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.960
he had no words. He had no words for it.

905
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.719
He looked at him and he's like, I just done.

906
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:12.920
Really don't know what that is.

907
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:18.920
So that's very very strange stuff. Did you guys have

908
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.960
any any.

909
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.320
Oh, and that happened probably five years ago.

910
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.320
Gotcha on your vehicles that you had at that campsite?

911
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:32.679
Did you have any like can prints or for things?

912
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:34.199
The next day that you notice.

913
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.679
We both looked and neither one of us noticed any

914
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:41.920
which is it's kind of hard to believe because on

915
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:43.800
that picture you see my tent in the back, the

916
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:45.880
kind of white woman. The picnic table then feels you

917
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.599
see the back of Phil's car or truck, great truck.

918
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.400
Mine's probably parked not more than four feet away from

919
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:58.280
his parallel with it. So whatever wherever left there had

920
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.559
to have it. They went straight out, so they had

921
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:08.360
to walk between them to leave. But obviously evidently they

922
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:14.719
didn't touch anything. I didn't check anything on the table

923
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.920
to see if there were fingerprints or anything. I mean,

924
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.840
you know, and here's another weird deal. Is so the

925
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:26.320
next morning after that happened before we headed out to hunt.

926
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.960
My body's friend that he was camping with at the

927
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.559
deer camp down and they were camped probably a couple

928
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.039
of miles away down in the in the lower area

929
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:38.400
by the river. He had come up to see what

930
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.719
we were up to. And Phil, my buddy, said, tell

931
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.360
him the story. Tell him that what happened, what you

932
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.000
said happened. So I told him, and he wasn't surprised

933
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.599
in the least. He said, we've we've camped here for years.

934
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.519
Pretty much everybody in camp has had an experience. And

935
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:58.760
then he said, last year one of the guys had

936
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:01.039
loaded up two or because they they had a big camp,

937
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.119
you know, like ten fifteen people at a time. So

938
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.119
he loaded up two or three guys and two three

939
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:07.840
hours for dark. You know, he'd go drop them off

940
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.039
where they wanted to be dropped off, and then he'd

941
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:11.639
come back and pick them up when it got dark.

942
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.920
And they were coming back to pick up the second

943
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.199
guy and he was running down there's a clear cut

944
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.360
where the power lines are. He was running down that

945
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.920
to get to the truck and said that he had

946
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:29.440
got halfway up there and there was a big bowler

947
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:32.039
in the middle there, and something stood up behind it,

948
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:36.360
and I guess scared the you know what out of him,

949
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.039
and so he turned and headed down the hill. And

950
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.840
that was that was recent to mine my deal. But

951
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:45.760
he said, Dave, as long as they have camp there,

952
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.440
pretty much everybody that comes to that camp has seen something.

953
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:52.599
So and they're from the most of them are from

954
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:57.119
the general area. It's like nobody out there surprised. Nobody

955
00:58:57.480 --> 00:58:59.639
that lives in that area is surprised. If you tell

956
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:00.719
them any thing like that.

957
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.519
Wow, that is man. After knowing that, I mean, it

958
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.880
puts even even more onto the story that is that

959
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:16.800
is awesome. Did were there any weird smells around the

960
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:17.800
camp site that you know?

961
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.079
I did notice that. I thought of that when I

962
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.519
was hearing this footsteps, because when I went through my progression,

963
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.639
you know, it's not it's not a bear. It's not

964
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.719
it's not on four feet, so it's not a horse

965
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:30.239
that's got to be on two feet. And then my

966
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.920
thought went to sasquatch bigfoot, and I thought, but I

967
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.320
don't smell anything. I didn't smell anything, Okay, and that's

968
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.239
what I'm thinking, Okay, is that what I really think?

969
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:43.440
It is. I don't know, but there's no other explanation.

970
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:48.119
And whatever it was was intentionally sneaking, yeah, because the

971
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.920
footprints were like you could hear it like hit on

972
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.519
his heel and just slowly crunch forward and stop, and

973
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:56.920
then like two seconds later you hear the same thing.

974
00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:00.199
And it did that all the way around me. You know,

975
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.559
like I said, it may have taken five minutes for

976
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.599
it to get from the tree line behind me to

977
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:05.400
the picnic table.

978
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:11.239
Did you did you wake up any morning and notice

979
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.880
anything weird that was out of place in the camp

980
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:16.840
that wasn't there the day before.

981
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.159
You know, I don't know what we noticed anything like that.

982
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:31.880
The gibberish thing was kind of weird though, Like I said,

983
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:34.000
I was cooking. I was cooking, you know, getting some

984
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.400
stuff together to throwing the fire, and I started the

985
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.400
fire and was sitting sitting in my chair and was

986
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:42.679
waiting on the fire to to you know, put some

987
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:47.000
coals out so I could start cooking. And it was

988
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.519
a fairly quiet night, you know, you heard bugs and stuff,

989
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.719
and then like I said, you hear the coyotes bust out,

990
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:56.400
and they had to be a mile or more away.

991
01:00:56.440 --> 01:01:00.559
They were over on the other ridge, and they went

992
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.239
on for I don't know, twenty seconds or so, and

993
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.559
just immediately as soon as they quit, Like I said,

994
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:10.559
I started hearing it sounded like a conversation, but when

995
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.320
I started listening real close, it made no sense. It

996
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:20.039
was all just kind of like baby talk, and he

997
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.800
could I could tell listening, and I was trying to

998
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.400
make out what it was saying. But at the same

999
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:30.360
time I noticed there was two different One was kind

1000
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.760
of high and one was lower. I mean, they were

1001
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:34.599
both low, but one was higher than the other, so

1002
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:38.320
there was two of whatever it was. I grabbed my

1003
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:40.559
flashlight swung it over there. As soon as it hit

1004
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.719
the woods, it stopped and that was nothing after that.

1005
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.679
Have you heard anything that sounds similar to what you

1006
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:50.639
were hearing that night?

1007
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:56.880
Oh? Absolutely, Well, on on, There's been a few shows

1008
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.960
where they've talked, you know, kind of simulated what somebody heard,

1009
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:03.000
and that's it was close to that. You know. It's

1010
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.360
just it's weird. It's like, you know, when people get

1011
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:08.360
far away from it, it sounds like gibberish. But at

1012
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.840
the same time, I'm thinking, Okay, to my west, that's

1013
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:16.800
down in the that's down between the two ridges. There's

1014
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:20.280
nobody down there. Oh and there was I keep thinking

1015
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.599
this stuff. Okay, the second year we went in twenty

1016
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:28.000
twenty one, right when I said, not much happened, I'd

1017
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.559
walked down in that one area back behind where we

1018
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.760
camped and got a weird feeling. But in that same area,

1019
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.320
like second from the last night, and this was in

1020
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.079
the middle of the night. Again, I don't know what time,

1021
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:42.159
but it was in the middle of the night. Woke

1022
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.159
me and my partner both up. It was like World

1023
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:49.679
War three going off down in that ravine valley whatever

1024
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.360
you want to call it. It sounded like two or

1025
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:55.119
three guns and they were just going off. I mean

1026
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:58.039
it sounded like war like ba bang bang bang bang bang,

1027
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:03.639
and then it just quit. And have no idea what

1028
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:05.599
that was. Didn't see anybody coming or going.

1029
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.039
It's very very strange.

1030
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.239
Yes, very strange.

1031
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.760
Did you So you mentioned that you had sensations of

1032
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:26.360
like your hair standing up. Were there any other things

1033
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:32.519
that happened that would be like unexplained physical like things

1034
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:34.119
happening to anyone in the group.

1035
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:40.880
You know, my buddy that I hunted with, like I said,

1036
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.800
he was more of a a logical thinker, I guess

1037
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.639
you'd say he didn't. He was showing me the proof

1038
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.239
kind of guy if I got proof, and it's something else,

1039
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:54.880
you know, So he never really mentioned anything it's weird

1040
01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:00.119
to him other than that that light. And that's the

1041
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.960
only time. I mean, I've been in the woods most

1042
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:05.719
of my life, hunting, fishing, from the time I could walk.

1043
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:08.760
I walked carry a baby gun with my dad hunt,

1044
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.039
you know, when I could barely walk. So I've been

1045
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.639
hunting a long time, been out in the woods a lot,

1046
01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:19.840
and I've never just like I said, the weird part

1047
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:23.960
about it is, I'm just walking along hunting, you know,

1048
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.559
just checking the woods, looking around, trying to spot a deer,

1049
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:31.239
or listening to one crunch in the woods, and I stopped,

1050
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.639
and it's just like somebody flipped a switch, you know.

1051
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.159
I got that weird chill down. My spine felt like

1052
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.400
my hair was standing on end, and I was suddenly

1053
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:48.679
ridiculously scared, I mean, just like that, and it's, uh,

1054
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.679
that's all I can That's the only way I can explain.

1055
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:53.960
It was just I've never ever had anything like that happen,

1056
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:58.039
and that was enough to make me uncomfortable enough to

1057
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:03.559
turn around and leave the area. Yeah, I mean I've

1058
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:08.000
heard other people talk some you know, some things similar

1059
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:11.920
to that. You know, you can kind of sense something,

1060
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.960
but I wasn't looking. That was the last thing on

1061
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.519
my mind. I wasn't looking to sense anything except find

1062
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:17.920
a deer.

1063
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:26.039
Absolutely. Is this a place where you continue to go

1064
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.400
to this camp or deer season or not anymore?

1065
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.000
Well, I haven't what I've my my buddy's been back

1066
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.639
down there a couple of times, and this, like I said,

1067
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:43.639
this is about this is twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty

1068
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.119
one was the last time I went down there. He

1069
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:51.599
went a couple of years after that, and then last

1070
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:55.400
year is when I started hunting at my deacons property

1071
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:59.119
east to me. So no, I have since twenty twenty one,

1072
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.039
I haven't been back. I'm I'm not scared to go back.

1073
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:06.159
I go back, I mean, like I said, I'm just

1074
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.119
I would be more focused in paying attention to what's

1075
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:13.079
going on around me than I was before. That could

1076
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:16.960
be about the only thing that would change, because I'm not.

1077
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:20.159
I haven't. I haven't actually seen one. I don't know

1078
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:25.360
what that would do to a person. I just can't

1079
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:27.920
say what to do to me? If I actually seen one,

1080
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:30.280
I know, I'd put a rubber stamp on it and

1081
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:35.400
say yep. But uh, it's not really changing the way

1082
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:38.199
I feel about the woods. I'm not scared to go

1083
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:40.079
out in the woods. I'd go, like I said, I'm

1084
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:41.079
just going to be more aware.

1085
01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:47.079
Yeah, absolutely, I think that's one of the you know,

1086
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.440
I think a lot of people have that. You know,

1087
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:53.800
how would I react if I actually had a visual setting,

1088
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:55.159
you know?

1089
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:57.280
Well, I mean when I when I when I was

1090
01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:01.079
in my tent, you know, and had my gun in

1091
01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:04.400
one hand and my flashlight in the other, and I'm thinking,

1092
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:05.880
all I got to do is I'm zip this real

1093
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:08.440
quick and I can see what this is, you know.

1094
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:10.559
But as soon as I thought that, I'm thinking, okay,

1095
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:13.840
you know, now the light's on me. If that is

1096
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:16.800
a bigfoot, he's looking straight at me fifteen feet away.

1097
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:20.960
You know, do I want that? I'm not sure I

1098
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:28.000
want that. And you know, it's the things that go

1099
01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:29.920
through your mind at that point. I'm thinking, I really

1100
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:32.920
really really want to know. But you know what if

1101
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:35.079
I have to shoot, well, I can't shoot the buddy's

1102
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.519
tents right on the other side there, both vehicles are

1103
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:40.440
right there next to that. If I end up shooting,

1104
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:43.239
I'm shooting everything, you know what I mean, it's all

1105
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.519
right there, So I don't know if I want to shoot.

1106
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:47.920
All this stuff's running through my mind. Well I'm trying

1107
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:54.559
to sort this out. It walks off, so I have

1108
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.360
no idea how I would. Actually, I think it would

1109
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:01.760
be much easier. You were in the woods walking along,

1110
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.920
looked up and there he was, just you know, because

1111
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.840
it just did. It just happens, and there he is,

1112
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:12.559
and you've seen him or had an experience seeing him.

1113
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.519
Other than there was too much of a build up

1114
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.680
for me, you know, hearing whatever it was, walk through there,

1115
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:25.720
hearing it and knowing something's out there and having all this,

1116
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.600
having time to all this to run through my mind.

1117
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.680
I think it's just been much easier just to turn

1118
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.520
a corner and there he is. You know.

1119
01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:38.640
Yeah, I'm hoping, uh, I hope maybe this year that

1120
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:42.319
the next year, just to be you know, be able

1121
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:44.279
to have a sighting somewhere and get that out of

1122
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:46.000
the way focus on.

1123
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.920
I would love to. I would I would love to

1124
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:52.800
actually see it because then that answers a whole lot

1125
01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.359
of questions. I don't care what anybody else would say.

1126
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:58.359
You know, it's kind of funny because I got home

1127
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:03.600
from from the the deer camp and told my wife,

1128
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:06.439
you know, explained to her the whole situation what happened,

1129
01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:10.479
and she was like, yeah, maybe what'll happen next year,

1130
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:12.399
you know, she was just kind of matter of factly,

1131
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.239
it doesn't it doesn't affect her one way or the other,

1132
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.880
you know. And I told my son and he listened,

1133
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:21.159
you know, and he got a good truckle out of it.

1134
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:23.239
And I'm thinking, oh, you know, and I think I've

1135
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.239
told one other person. I thought, you know, I'm just

1136
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.880
going to keep that as my experience, you know. I'm

1137
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:33.960
just you know, and I'd like I was watching these podcasts,

1138
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:36.199
I seen her as your scenes are more more credible

1139
01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:38.279
than anybody. So congrats on that.

1140
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:44.840
Thank you. I try to, you know, focus on letting

1141
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:46.760
people share their story, you know what I mean.

1142
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.560
I just got into where I'm I'm especially if it's Oklahoma. Man,

1143
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.399
I'm I'm glued to that kind of stuff. I mean,

1144
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:55.319
I'm kind of I don't want to say infatuated, but

1145
01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:59.399
I just like hearing other people's experiences, maybe because it

1146
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.079
maybe validates mine a little bit I don't know, but

1147
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.760
you know, kind of adds to what I think about

1148
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:08.479
the situation anyway.

1149
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:12.359
Well, Jerry, it is. It's great. It's always great to

1150
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:16.640
hear something from an individual like yourself who is not

1151
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.359
you know, didn't start out all like gung ho about bigfoot,

1152
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.039
but it was just out hunting and experienced some things

1153
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:28.439
in an area that is really known for bigfoot encounters.

1154
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:30.640
So I just want to say thank you for coming

1155
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:34.359
on the show and for sharing what you've experienced over

1156
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.479
the years, and hopefully it helps a lot of people

1157
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.960
that are listening to this as well.

1158
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:43.960
Well, good it's been it's been fun. Like I said,

1159
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.800
I haven't I haven't told that in a while, so

1160
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:49.479
it's good to finally come out with all of that.

1161
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.600
And like I said, it's I've come up with all

1162
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:54.119
the other back thoughts of all the other areas I've

1163
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.279
been to and weird stuff happened, and kind of connecting

1164
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:57.479
the dots type thing.

1165
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:03.359
So and you know, if anything, if you're out hunting

1166
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.399
again in the future and something else weird does happen,

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don't be afraid to reach out. I'd love to hear

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about that as well. But just thank you for coming

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on and chatting today.

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Jerry, Yeah, no problem, I enjoy the show man.

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Just wanted to take a moment to say thank you

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truly for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

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Jerry's story is a powerful reminder that sometimes the most

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unexpected encounters happen when we're just trying to enjoy a

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quiet weekend in the woods. Whether it's footsteps circling a tent,

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whispers in the dark, or lights floating through the trees,

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these experiences leave a lasting mark. So huge thanks to

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Jerry for opening up and sharing his encounters from deep

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in southeast Oklahoma. If you've enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe

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to us over on YouTube and hit that bell icon

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so you never miss an episode. And if you know

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someone who'd be into stories like this, send it their

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way as well. You're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,

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make sure you're following the show, and hey, you feel

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like leaving a review that helps more than you know.

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Now.

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If you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot encounter,

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especially in places like Knubby Broken Bow, the Washitas, or

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anywhere in Oklahoma, shoot me an email at Bigfoot Society

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Gmail dot com. I'd love to hear your story, so

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thanks again for being part of the Bigfoot Society. And

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until next time, keep your fire burning, your headlamp close,

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and your senses sharp, and see you in the woods.