May 7, 2025

Tracking Sasquatch: From Alaska to Massachusetts

In this thrilling and mysterious episode, we sit down with Norman Sollie, an avid Sasquatch researcher, to hear his captivating experiences across multiple states, including Washington, Alaska, and Massachusetts. From solo trips into the Cascade...

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Season 1

In this thrilling and mysterious episode, we sit down with Norman Sollie, an avid Sasquatch researcher, to hear his captivating experiences across multiple states, including Washington, Alaska, and Massachusetts. From solo trips into the Cascade Mountains where he felt an inexplicable pull to leave, to eerie encounters near his home in western Massachusetts, Norman shares stories that will challenge what you think you know about Sasquatch. He discusses unusual tracks, mysterious tree bends, and even the peculiar behavior of the creatures near his farm. What happens when a seasoned researcher encounters unexplained phenomena that seems to push him beyond the physical world? Don't miss this deep dive into the elusive world of Sasquatch sightings, paranormal experiences, and the search for truth.

Resources: Norman's presentation referred to at the end of the episode: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRg4cdAdBJAiJuHTj_plaIz1I5KLs12dxrOCDJNvydI/edit?slide=id.p1#slide=id.p1

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight,

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we're joined by Norman so Lee, a man who's spent

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decades searching for Sasquatch, but it's the strange paranormal experiences

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that have him questioning everything, from eerie, unexplained sounds in

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the Cascade Mountains of Washington to the mysteries of a

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farm in western Massachusetts. Norman's journey reveals a deeper connection

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to the unknown. What happens when you've seen enough to

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make you question the very nature of reality. This is

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Norman's story, So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society.

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I've got the privilege of talking to Norman sole Lee today.

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How's it going today, Norm.

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It's going great.

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It's the privilege to talk to Norm today. Norm reached

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out after I had just released a recent Massachusetts episode,

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and he reached out saying he's had some interesting things

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happen over the years over multiple states. We'll see where

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we get to and where we go today. There's a

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few different places we could go, but you know, Norm,

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it's just it's a privilege to have you on the show.

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You have sent me a few things to look at

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and you're doing some really really cool research that people

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might be able to see in the coming months. We'll

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see how that turns out, but it's very exciting stuff.

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Do you mind sharing how you first got involved with

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the Bigfoot topic? To begin with, Well.

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I'm one of that older generation Jeremiah that can remember

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watching the Patterson Goodblin film in a movie theater. I

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went with my father and I got to see it,

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and of course that intrigued me. That I was eight

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or nine years old at the time, and then late

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junior high high school, I of course read all the

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books that could get a hold of John Green Rene

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a hand and that'll well, that was a bummer. I

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think we're connected, but I'm not hearing you.

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Oh dude, this is so weird.

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Okay, So I'm just I should have told you. We

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have weird tech stuff happen all the time on this show.

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For some reason or another, we just got disconnected. My

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board decided to mute me. These weird, weird stuff we'll

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probably get like voice modulation stuff that hops in. It's

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just it's a fun time. So you were talking about

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Renade's a hind in When we were disconnected.

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I come from that old school that actually watched the

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Patterson Gimlan film in a movie theater. I was probably

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nine years old or so at the time, and as

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I got a little bit older mid to lateeens, I

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read every book I could get a hold of the

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old guard John Green, Renee do Hendon, Lauren Coleman, Grover Krantz.

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I was in Washington State as a kid growing up,

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so Grover Krantz actually was somebody I followed quite a bit.

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I did not get actively involved in anything I would

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call research or encounters until about nineteen eighty one, somewhere

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in there, where I did actually by myself. I did

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an overnight going up into the Cascade Mountains hoping to

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run into some sign and that was interesting. I got

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confused by how bizarre it was that an elusive mountain

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ape was showing up in odd places, looking in bedroom windows.

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And I actually tried consciously to drop sasquatch for years.

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But then in my later life I started having incidents

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happened to me and I had to pick it up again.

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Yeah, okay, so there's a lot that was just said

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right there that I'm really interested about. I would love

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to hear. So what happened. You did a solo in

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the Cascade Mountains. Was that was in Washington, I'm guessing.

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Yeah, the Washington State Cascades off of Highway to Yeah.

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And I, you know, this is the first time I

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tried to look for Sasquatch. And I don't know if

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you want to hear some of the story, but I

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find it comical.

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Oh absolutely, yeah.

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All right. So at the time, I'm twenty twenty two

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somewhere in there, and I was already an experienced hiker

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and backpacker. So I actually did kind of a map

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dousing thing. I just looked at top all maps and

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figured out a place that to me looked like a

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good place to look for sasquatch. It was a high

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mountain lake that had no trails going into it. There

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were trails for the first part of this five mile hike,

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maybe two and a half miles or so. I went

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in on those trails, and then I climbed up to

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a spur ridge. And I'd carefully planned that route because

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ridge lines tend to be more free of blowdown, and

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this was the heavily timbered area. So I went up

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to the lake. Nothing unusual happened. I got up to

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the lake. It was getting kind of late in the day.

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I mainly just set up camp that night on this

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high mountain lake, and it started raining, so I went

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into my tent fairly early and was looking forward to

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maybe in the morning doing some fishing, looking around for

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sign tracks, et cetera. And the rain was coming down hard.

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I was woken in the middle of the night by

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a long, drawn out, rather high pitched howling sound. It

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was at a distance, but it did wake me, and

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I thought, well, this is interesting, but of course I'm

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good at sleeping, and I went back to sleep. In

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the morning, I woke up and the rain had stopped.

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I opened my tent opening and I look out at

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the mud in front of the tent opening, and there

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was a very distinct impression, deep impression in the mud

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in front of my tent, maybe three feet in front.

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And I thought, well, that's odd. I don't think I

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made that. And it wasn't even really rain much when

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I got into the tent, but this looks like it

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was made when there was a whole lot of better out.

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But I couldn't distinguish anything with the track, and I

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wasn't smart enough to really measure and see if it

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was bigger than my boot, et cetera. So I tried

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to shrug it off. But then something happened, which now

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we hear about this all the time, but at that time,

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with the elusive mountain ape theory, it wasn't the kind

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of thing we heard about. I suddenly felt like I

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needed to leave. And it wasn't real frightening or anything,

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but I just had this this push, this impulse to leave.

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It was kind of like, Okay, that was fun, but

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now it's time to go. And I didn't even think

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about it. All my plans to go fishing, all my

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plants to look for sasquatch signed just I forgot all

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about it. I packed up. I can't remember if I

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had much breakfast, but I might have. But instead of

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taking my careful route down, which was a good route

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it worked great, I just plunged right off the edge

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of the hillside there, which wasn't easy. There was lots

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of blowdown and it was kind of a struggle. I

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even at one point twisted my knee a little bit,

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and I remember as I was wrapping my knee with

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the ace bandage, I heard more of what I'd been

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hearing some on the way down, which was like cracking

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sticks and the like. It wasn't real obnoxious, but when

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I would stop, something would snap a couple hundred feet

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behind me, and I remember literally thinking, boy, there's sure

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are clumsy deer and elk around here. That was my

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working theory that somehow I was scaring up deer and

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elk behind me and they were stepping on twigs and

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making these breaking branch sounds. I headed heading down with

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that same impulse to keep moving and move quickly. I

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got down to the creek at the bottom of the drainage,

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and that feeling just disappeared. It was like a light switch.

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I felt so much better when I was out in

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the sun, under out from under the trees in that

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creek bed. But another odd thing I did is I

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traveled in that creek bed downstream three quarters of a

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mile or so before I met up with the trail

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I had used to come in. But there was no

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further no further activity, no further oddness on that trip.

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Do you have any thoughts about what might have caused

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that impulse to leave, and also just the impulse to

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just go through the woods, not even stick to a trail.

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Well in hindsight, and this has taken It took almost

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forty years. Frankly, in hindsight, I do suspect that feeling

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that impulse did not come from me. Nothing scary had

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happened to me at that point. I had found the

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hell on the night just rather interesting, and I was

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there specifically looking for sasquatch. I found the impression in

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front of my tent totally mystifying, because I'm still thinking

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of lusive mountain ape and why would something step right

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in front of my tent in the night if they

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were being so careful to avoid the humans that I

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know that's getting into the paranormal. But there is definitely

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some things about this phenomenon which doesn't make sense from

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our standard way of looking at the world. So yes,

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I do think that that impulse to go down to

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abandon my original route up, to keep moving until I

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hit that creek came from outside of me somehow.

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It's extremely interesting. Have you studied that area you were

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in to see if there's been other documented sightings or

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encounters too.

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I haven't gone way out of my way, but I

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have heard of encounters in the area, so yes, I

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haven't really researched it. I'm a terrible researcher. I'm more

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like an experience. I just like to go out and

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do stuff, okay, And I love listening to the stories too.

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I listen to podcasts myself, but I haven't gone on

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BFRORO to check specifically in that area. I would be

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surprised if it's the Washington State Cascades. It's the west side,

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it's temperate forest, it's a great location.

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Yeah, I mean it's the Washington Cascades.

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Are absolutely amazing when it comes to you know, encounters,

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you have some really really interesting things happen there. But

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you also had mentioned that you tried to get away

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from the topic eventually, and is it skipping too far

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ahead to talk about that or is now a good

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time to talk about that?

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Oh, this would be a great time, okay, Because it

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wasn't that much longer. I was really into it, you know.

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It was going through newspapers, I was flipping articles. I

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had a file called Sasqutch. I was fascinated with it.

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But I had this elusive mountain, a thing stuck in

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my head because of the sources I looked at, and

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it came to a head when I came across one

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article about how somebody had found sas watch tracks under

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their bedroom window on the outskirts of Bellevue, Washington. This

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is it's like Microsoft Country. It's it's a place. I

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worked out of Bellevue for a while, and I thought

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to myself, this makes no sense. What are they doing

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looking at bedroom windows on the outskirts of Bellevue? And

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it made so little sense to me that I thought,

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I've gone as far as I can. This is nothing

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that anybody's going to pin down. It's like chasing a ghost.

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And I didn't. I didn't avoid it. You know. Friends

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would still send me clippings and I'd read them, and

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I'd read articles when i'd find them, but I just

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decided that I myself was not going to get anywhere

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looking at this, and I focused on other things like

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getting married and having a family. And I moved on

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for a long time.

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And then something it sounds like it started to bring

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you back, which is extremely interesting to me. I would

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love to hear about that.

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All right, But this is more of the paranormal. So

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this was approximately I believe it was the spring of

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twenty and twelve. I at this point was living in

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interior Alaska, in a very rural area. I was living

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in a one room cabin. I had only been up

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there a few months. There were a couple lot of

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things happening around the cabin. For instance, there was a

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nearby dog team. I don't know if you know about

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dog teams, but in Alaska, probably evate individuals will have

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ten to twelve fifteen dogs, and for recreation or for

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hauling materials, they will tie up these dogs to a

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sled on winter snow and they will pull that sled

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into the driver. But a lot of the time those

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dogs are staked out in the yard, and these dogs

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would periodically just go nuts, which was odd. I didn't

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know why they were getting so excited. And I also

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recall a time in daylight when an owl was just

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going off, just repeatedly calling over and over again, which

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that may have been an owl, I don't know. But

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what really did it for me is odd and I

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can't explain this, but it was a trigger for me.

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I had a dream in which somebody was showing me

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stealthily looking down into a canyon the mouth of a cave,

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and in front of that cave were lined up I

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know this is ridiculous. Were lined up ten pairs of sasquatch,

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and he explained to me that these were mated pairs

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of sasquatch and that they made for life. And I said,

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in the dream, if what you're telling me is true,

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then everything we thought we knew about Sasquatch was wrong.

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And I woke up and what really stuck with me

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is what I said in the dream. Everything must be wrong.

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And I started looking into it again, and in the meantime,

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so much information has been popping up on the Internet

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and podcasts, et cetera that I had a whole lot

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to think about reevaluate the elusive Mountain ape theory. So

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that was that is what brought me back to Sasquatch.

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Plus I had some experiences in Alaska, not a lot,

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but I had a few.

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Wow, So that's that's pretty cool. Literally it was. It

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was mainly that dream, and you're like, yeah, okay, trying

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to trying to get back into it, figure out what's

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going on here. That's that's pretty awesome. Did you then

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after that start going out and looking yourself or in

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groups after you had that dream?

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I pretty much mostly done things solo, but yes, After

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I had the dream, I started educating myself as much

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as I could. I started uh checking out and following podcasts.

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But when I had the opportunity in the woods, I

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was always looking. And I ended up working for the

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National Park Service and I was stationed in remote part

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of the park where I would live up to eight

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days at a time, and I would look there. And

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I also eventually built my own off road cabin. And

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I'm also I'm across country skier, a fat tire biker.

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I like to hike as well, And I would say

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in Alaska, I'm fairly confident. I came across tracks, scat vocals,

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stick structures, never had a sighting, but I encountered a

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lot of interesting things that further convinced me there was something.

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There was a phenomenon at the heart of all this.

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Was it pretty normal to hear other people talking about

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sasquatch encounters up in Alaska? Or is that a pretty

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rare thing?

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It was, and it is fairly rare. That's not to

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say I didn't encounter it. I have a friend, and

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he's a good friend who once he understood that I

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was a believer, he told me about a daytime siding

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he had on the Danauli National Park road while walking

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along the road with a friend who also saw it.

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It was moving quadrupeatedly, which is interesting along one of

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the braided river bars. But they had an in view

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for quite some time, and they had seen many bears, wolves,

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caravou moose, and they knew it was none of those.

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And while they were talking looking at this, they said

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to each other, that's a Sasquatch. And there was no

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doubt in their mind that they saw a Sasquatch. As

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far as other people, I know lots of people that

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are interested, and I've also seen some trace evidence as myself,

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but not so many encounters, although I did end up.

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I was one of the founding organizers of the Boyal

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Bigfoot Expo up in Fairbanks, Alaska. We put that on

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two years in a row, and as far as I know,

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it's the furthest North Bigfoot expo that's happened in the world.

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And I certainly had opportunity to run into other people

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that had had encounters and experiences in Alaska, including Fred Rule,

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which I think is one of the more fascinating people

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with accounts to listen to.

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Oh absolutely others. Yeah, I just real.

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I mean, I would agree one hundred percent that you

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know Fred's Fred's a great guy. He's been on the

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show and his channel Subarctic Alaskan Sasquatch I believe is

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the name, or it's either Alaska Sasquatch. It'll come out

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either way. It's really good. So everyone checked that out.

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It is fantastic. Do you feel that your encounter that

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happened in the Washington Cascades has been the closest you've

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been able to experience something, or do you think there's

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been a situation that has maybe had more intense things happen,

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or perhaps even a sighting.

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I certainly have had more intense things, several of those,

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and I also had one I believe it was a

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siding in Illinois, of all places. But I did up

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in Alaska. Before I left Alaska, I think I was

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being kept tabs on. And there was one case where

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I at a close distance what I call a tongue clack.

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As I started my hike out from my cabin and

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I had a dog with me on leash, our heads

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both swiveled to the exact same point in the woods.

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We both heard it. We both reacted to it. We

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both were very cued into it. I hiked the two

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point six miles out, and as I stepped out onto

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the highway approaching my vehicle, another tongue clack behind me.

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I think actually I was probably being kept tabs on

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often when I was going back and forth through those woods.

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So that was interesting just to have that realization of, huh,

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something seems to be following me around.

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Yeah, it almost sounds like they were marking when you

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were leaving the cabin, and then maybe even when you're

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leaving the woods, or like now he's about to leave

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in his car and stuff like that really makes wondering.

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Yep, that was my impression keeping tabs on me.

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Illinois is a area that comes up actually pretty pretty

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often on the show. A lot of people, I think,

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maybe not realize how active it is in that state,

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I mean central and southern, and so I'm curious, what

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are you able to share what part of the state

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that interaction took place in, or.

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Yes, and it's ridiculous. And because it's ridiculous, I didn't

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even identify this as a Sasquatch siding for some time,

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and then finally I started hearing about encounters reasonably near

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where I had it, and I thought, oh man, that's

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what that was. Yeah, I'd be happy to share it.

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It was not to be confused with the other Woodstock,

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but it was Woodstock, Illinois were about two miles from that,

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and that's where Groundhog Day, the exterior shots for the

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movie Groundhog Day were filmed. But this wasn't in the town.

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This was outside of town. It was Woodlocks and Cornfields

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is where this happened. And keep in mind, this is

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forty miles from downtown Chicago, so I'm not thinking Sasquatch,

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and I still hadn't come back around to Sasquatch. This

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was I think about two thousand and six. I was

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on a spiritual retreat of all things, and it was

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at an old some sort of Catholic center. It had

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a church in this giant building and it had lots

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of housing for people to come on retreats. And we'd

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be doing hipp and groovy stuff during the day and

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we'd get occasional breaks, and me, being an outdoor lover,

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I would head for the woods when I would have

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her break and just do some walk in the woods

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along with a lot of other people. When I say

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a lot, you know, maybe there'd be a half dozen,

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eight ten people walking around in the woods. It was

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on a forty acre grounds which had both a marshy

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area and a small pond. I had noticed earlier that

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there was an odd trail going into the woods. This

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opening was coming off the mode area, but it was

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not visible from the building, and I thought, well, that's

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interesting that there would be a trail there. I wonder

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why there's a trail, and I thought, well, I need

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to go check it out. And this was quite a trail.

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It was like four feet wide and trampled. But I'm

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not looking for tracks. I'm not in that mindset, and

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I'm not wondering why there's a trail where you wouldn't

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really expect the people at their treats to go. So anyhow,

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I head out, I go on this trail an eye.

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I ste up the hillside, away from the regular trail

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that most of the people would take, and I'm thinking

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hip and groovy thoughts. I'm definitely I'm not a part

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of the environment around me. I'm not really looking around.

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I get to the point where I'm up above the

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main trail, but from a different direction than i'd ever

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walked before, and I maybe one hundred and fifty feet

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something like that above under dense deciduous canopy. It's a

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little bit dim under there, but it's daytime. You can

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still see. And I'm not really thinking about it, but

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I noticed that there's another form walking down below me,

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very close to the main trail. And this form was

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only about five feet six inches tall. It was not big.

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I'm not paying attention, but I did notice that it

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was oddly fuzzy on the edges, and there was no

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transition like between shirt and pants, cuffs and hands, etc.

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It just seemed to be this black, fuzzy form. And

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I'm still not really paying attention, but I noticed the

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form is seems to be spying on the people that

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I can hear coming, you know, people are coming down

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the usual trail towards this form, and I can see

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its head leg going back and forth as just trying

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to look around things, and it's carefully high stepping over

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brush and branches and the like. And then it goes

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behind from my point of view, behind a big tree,

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and I wait for it to come out from behind

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the tree, and it never comes out from behind the tree,

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and it wasn't until that happened then that I stopped

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and thought, wait a second, what the heck was that?

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And I ended up thinking that it was some sort

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of spiritual manifestation because I'm on a spiritual retreat. Well,

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I went that route for years until I started hearing

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that Illinois actually has reports, and then I thought, oh man,

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what was it that I really saw? So that was

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my sighting?

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That's incredible. Wow, But how did other people report similar

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things happening to them during the same retreat? Or do

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you think it was just yourself?

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You know. I told a couple of people about what

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I had seen, and my best theory was that it

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was the Guru in some sort of weird out of

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body form checking up on us, because he implied he

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would do such things. But I don't see any reason

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why he'd take a black, fuzzy form if he wanted

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to be checking up on us. Nobody I talked to

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reported anything like that. But remember, it took years until

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I re evaluated that event and began to think, oh

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my goodness. So I wasn't like asking around, hey, do

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you have big foot sightings here? It didn't occur to

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me that there would be bigfoot sightings there.

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The whole sightings around spiritual retreats thing is really interesting.

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That's a pattern you can definitely notice if you start

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to dig, I mean, not to rabbit trail too much,

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but like, I don't know if you've heard of the

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Monroe Institute where it's like they teach remote viewing. I

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believe that's in the southeast part of the United States.

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But I am aware of the Monroe Institute. I think

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it's actually West Virginia or perfect Yes, I'm very aware

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of what they are and what they do. I never

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heard of sightings around there though.

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Yeah, and you know, this is where a little bit

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outside of of my knowledge zone. But from people I've

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talked to, you know, and they're not sure if it's

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actual physical sightings or it's something that they're actually you know, seeing,

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But there are people at that institute that have multiple

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instances where they see something that looks like sasquatch when

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they attend that institute. Also, it's a pretty active area

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in southeast Iowa that's known for spiritual retreats, but it's

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also known for a high amount of bigfoot sightings over

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the years too, and kind of makes you wonder if

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there's a connection between that, or maybe people that attend

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things like that are just more aware of what's going on.

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I don't know, but.

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I don't know either, but it is true that the

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spiritual life is very important to me, and I do

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I do. Of the people I know, people that are

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so inclient seem to have more at least paranormal things

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happen to them in the regular population.

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So after you had that.

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Happen in Woodstock, Illinois, how did that affect things from

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there on out?

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Well? Remember I still wasn't thinking Sasquatch until I had

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that dream later in Alaska in about twenty twelve. So

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once once I had that aha moment in twenty twelve,

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I reevaluated that incident in my life. And one thing

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that's very interesting is whatever I saw was fascinated with

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the people. It was literally lying on the people. You know,

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it's typical Sasquatch behavior as we know it nowadays, but

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there there definitely seems to be some sort of correlation

461
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or some sort of interaction between some Sasquatch and some humans.

462
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:26.160
They seem to be very interested in us, and that's fascinating.

463
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.920
You would think they'd want nothing to do with us.

464
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.519
But but yet, as you said, you hear so many

465
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:38.400
accounts where you know, I look up, there's one staring

466
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.759
at me through my bedroom window or the trailer window.

467
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.799
It's just it's over and over and over again. It's

468
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.799
it's very, very weird. We are definitely some form of entertainment.

469
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.640
And sometimes they're even watching TV with the person, which

470
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.440
is is even funnier.

471
00:32:58.680 --> 00:32:59.440
Stories too.

472
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:05.240
Yeah, that's hilarious you have in your info that you

473
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:09.359
had passed on to me before this interview. You've also

474
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:14.240
had some things occur in western Massachusetts as well.

475
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:20.519
Yes, I live on a small farm. We've only got

476
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:25.240
about nine acres of cleared land, but it's on bigger

477
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.720
acreage of about three hundred acres of deep woodland which

478
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.359
is surrounded by woodland. I'm near some wildlife management areas.

479
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.480
I have a trail. It's a public trail on nature

480
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.759
conservancy land I can walk to from where I live.

481
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:49.880
It is in many ways ideal habitat. We've got turkeys

482
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:55.559
and deer, a few moose, the other smaller creatures you

483
00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.000
would expect are here. But we also have a farm

484
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.559
and we have feedbags sitting around. We've got farm animals.

485
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:13.119
We've got the missus here. I think she's a magnet personally.

486
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.360
I'm not sure she wants to hear that, but she

487
00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.960
spends a lot of time outdoors and singing to herself,

488
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.400
talking to herself. She likes to explore the woods. She

489
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:30.760
goes out into the woods for hours. I am essentially

490
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.480
a farm hand, which is new for me. I do carpentry,

491
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.400
but I'm also taking here of the animals here. We've

492
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.360
got cows and chickens, and one of the things I

493
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.960
do is I do the nine time check of all

494
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.119
the animals and boys. Sometimes in the summer, when I'm

495
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.880
doing that check, I do not feel alone. I feel

496
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.840
like the air is filled with electricity. I feel the

497
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:05.360
eyes on me. I usually talk out loud, just you know,

498
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.039
along the lines of I'm just checking the animals. Don't

499
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:18.280
need any trouble. So that's been interesting. I recall here

500
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.840
on the farm several odd things. When I first came here,

501
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.559
I came down from Alaska. I was trying to decide

502
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:26.960
if I really wanted to work here and believe it

503
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.039
or not, one of the things I wanted to find

504
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.239
was sasquatch sign because I was so into it already

505
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.239
and I did a little exploration and I wouldn't know it.

506
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.800
I found what looks like an old lean to structure

507
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:46.119
on this land, and that helped decide me to come

508
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:52.000
down here. I've also found three feedbags in the woods,

509
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.920
way away from where we keep the feedbags. They were empty.

510
00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.679
One of them only had a tiny little hole in it,

511
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.159
but it had no feet inside of it. I think

512
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.440
that would have been carried full into the woods but

513
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.679
then left there and crewers got into it. But it's

514
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.400
very hard to explain how those feedbags got to where

515
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.960
I found them. That happens to be across a small

516
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.760
river from an elementary school. The elementary school is also

517
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.480
surrounded by woods, and you can hear the kids even

518
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.519
where I'm living playing at recess. I also found in

519
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.760
that same spot, very close to the elementary school a

520
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.920
children's toy. This is out in the woods, so I

521
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.719
can't explain how that. It was a little soft squeeze

522
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.480
ball thing. I can't explain how that ended up out

523
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.840
in the woods near the empty feedbags, but I have

524
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.880
my suspicions. I also mentioned the trail nearby. It goes

525
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:55.280
up to a lookout tower. It is only I think

526
00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:00.159
it's one point two miles one way the trail. But

527
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.320
I started noticing last summer the twigs along the way

528
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.519
had been broken. And I noticed because I would notice

529
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.880
the wilted leaves hanging off these broken twigs along the trail,

530
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.519
and I started paying attention to it, and I was

531
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.480
seeing more and more of them, and by the way,

532
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.760
Jeremiah was also finding small trees broken over the trail,

533
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.920
particularly after the ATVs that weren't supposed to be using

534
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.800
the trail had used the trail. You would find small

535
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:37.719
trees broken over the trail and sometimes bigger ones, so

536
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.400
that's been interesting. The twig breaks, I ended up counting

537
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:47.639
one hundred and thirty of them that followed this classic

538
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.760
just a break like if you took a pencil in

539
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.519
one hand and tried to break it. That's kind of

540
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:57.239
how these twigs looked. But this is on living mostly

541
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:03.119
beech trees, and I actually have this kind of mind

542
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:07.559
that likes to analyze things. I started measuring how high

543
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.960
off the ground they were, how thick the brakes are,

544
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.880
what side of the trail they were on, and it

545
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.599
occurred to me, one hundred and thirty twig breaks. That's

546
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.400
enough to crunch numbers, and I did. In the end,

547
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.719
I ended up coming up with average height above ground,

548
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.199
average diameter outside of the trail, et cetera. And I

549
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.320
graft some things, and I thought I found a signal

550
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:40.679
for two different heights of individuals. Some of these toiget

551
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.800
brakes were pretty low, but some were very high. Some

552
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.679
were Many of them were over seven feet off the ground,

553
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.840
and that seemed a bit high for just some casual hiker.

554
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.480
So I ended up I actually wrote a paper on it,

555
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.639
and I sent you a copy of that paper, and

556
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.119
feel free to use any screen shots out of there.

557
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:08.480
But I promised the Really Commonoid Inquiry magazine and doctor

558
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.960
Jeff Mildrim that they have for first rite of publication

559
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:18.239
for the larger paper. Along that trail or near that trail.

560
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:22.920
I've also found some larger trees broken. There's also a

561
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.119
pinned arch over that trail, which nobody notices. I've never

562
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.119
had anybody say hey, I noticed that too. I have

563
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.480
to point it out to them. But it's a maple

564
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.039
tree that has been bent over the trail, and it's

565
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:43.039
living top pinned with another I think it's a dead

566
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:48.280
fall tree, but I cannot explain how that happened naturally

567
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.199
because it was it is still a living tree. The

568
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.719
tree is still growing and the arch is about twelve

569
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.639
feet tall over the trail, perfectly going over the trail.

570
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.400
I like to think of it as you're welcome to

571
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.840
hike on this trail. This trail is where the humans

572
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:09.039
are supposed to go, and I normally stick to the trail,

573
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:14.000
but I sometimes have left it. I also, if I

574
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.280
can bore you with a little bit more about this trail, Jeremiah,

575
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:23.280
I started, and I know this is controversial, but I

576
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:26.639
started a little gifting station up at the very top

577
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.400
at the end of this trail, at the base of

578
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:33.800
the tower. What I found up there is somebody had

579
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.719
cut a fallen tree, just cut it up and do

580
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.519
like two foot sections or even a couple shorter rounds,

581
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.519
and it made a rough pile. I took one of

582
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.440
the shorter rounds and I put it on top of

583
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.280
this pile, very precariously, you know, balanced on top of

584
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:57.400
a rounded log section. And then I found a flat rock,

585
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.760
like an almost dinner plate size. I stuck it on

586
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.599
top of this log around and then a friend of

587
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.440
mine that came up with me one of these times

588
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.440
also found a rock on the ground and set it

589
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.880
on top of the dinner plate rock, and I would

590
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:20.599
leave on this apples, occasionally chocolate maybe like peanuts, raisins,

591
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.920
that kind of thing. I ended up hiking this trail

592
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.239
maybe twenty times last summer because I was doing the

593
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.920
research at the same time, and I would leave things

594
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.199
up there, and then on the way down I played

595
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:37.679
the harmonica a little bit, which I'm sure just annoyed everybody.

596
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:44.119
So I checked that gifting station as late as November,

597
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.679
and I was generally finding the apples gone. Occasionally I

598
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.880
find a chewed on apple just laying on the ground,

599
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.119
but usually the apples were gone entirely by chewed on.

600
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.119
I mean it looked like a squirrel I had chewed

601
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.679
on it or something of that nature. But usually the

602
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.960
apples would just be gone. There'd be no sign of them,

603
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:11.599
no core, no nothing. So eventually the snows melted enough,

604
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:16.440
I went up there again. I think it was early

605
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.039
February or late January. We're not a high snow area,

606
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.800
but we do get some snow and I was a

607
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:32.360
little surprised to find that a tree I think it

608
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.480
was about six inches thick where it was broken, which

609
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:40.760
was about ten feet off the ground. A tree had

610
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.559
been a living tree, had been broken thirty feet away

611
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:50.920
from my gifting station. Now it's the top of a ridge,

612
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.760
but it was very well protected from the westerly winds

613
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.639
by conifer trees. But this was a deciduous tree. It

614
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:03.920
was broken and it was still connected at that break

615
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.039
ten feet off the ground, but it was laying perfectly

616
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:13.280
centered over the top of my gifting station, this precarious

617
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.719
gifting station of a log round on top of log

618
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:21.039
rounds and a flat rock on top, etc. It was

619
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:26.480
laying right over the top. I have pictures from above

620
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:30.679
and it's like, mathematically exactly going through the center of

621
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:38.400
that dinner plate rock. It felt like a message to me.

622
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.559
I cannot imagine how a blowdown tree would have slammed

623
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:48.320
into that gifting station and left everything standing. But it's

624
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:53.960
just perfectly balanced on top of my gifting station. And

625
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.679
I know that's hard to believe, but this is what

626
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.599
I have within sight of where I'm sitting now, you know,

627
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.960
like half a mile away, but see the ridge line.

628
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:03.800
That is so cool.

629
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:05.880
It's one of those things where if you're new to

630
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.119
the subject and you hear something like that, you're gonna

631
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.800
be like, oh wow. But if you really dig into

632
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:18.880
it like you are, I mean, you see these certain areas,

633
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:23.079
they'll have weird patterns and you know, things left and

634
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.719
a certain pattern at gifting stations, and just it just

635
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.840
really makes you think, like, Okay, what is going on here?

636
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:37.119
There's some some weird intelligence in play here, I think, and.

637
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.280
You know what, I think the message is, Ceremiah. I

638
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:48.440
think it's stop feeding the kids. After thinking about it,

639
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:54.000
that's my conclusion that it's funny. I've given the kids

640
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.199
stuff and they don't like it. What's with this human

641
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.960
given food to our kids? Uh? I think that's what

642
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:08.599
it is' So it makes me reevaluate what what I

643
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.760
should be doing out in the woods.

644
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.360
You you brought up an interesting point earlier too, And

645
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.480
I noticed this when I was reading through the copy

646
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:26.119
of your paper that you sent over, because I realized

647
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:31.280
that I'm what was the term The term is a

648
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:39.000
pin I'm I'm blanking on the term pindars. Yeah, thank you?

649
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:39.599
Yeah, yeah.

650
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:39.880
Yeah.

651
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.280
So when I was in Oakridge, Oregon this last July,

652
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.760
we were up in a research area which is way

653
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.559
out in the woods, and I was walking in the

654
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.320
woods around this meadow and actually found it was wild.

655
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:57.800
Do it up.

656
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.679
I might have pictures I can share with you, but

657
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.800
it was it was like a group of I want

658
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.079
to say, maybe five to six saplings that were alive,

659
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.599
and they had all been they had all been bent

660
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.360
over in such a way to almost make like a

661
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.920
shelter you could be under, but they were kept down

662
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.119
by these like really heavy logs that had almost been

663
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:29.800
placed on the other edge of the arch right, And

664
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.760
I was like, whoa, what is this? And I just

665
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.119
did not make sense. So it's cool to hear that,

666
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.960
you know someone else has seen something similar to that

667
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:39.639
as well.

668
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.639
Oh yeah, those are so hard to explain away as

669
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:48.159
wind fall. Windfall does not catch the top of the

670
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.519
tree and end up on the ground ten feet away,

671
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.800
like maybe in your instance that it just doesn't make sense.

672
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.599
You had to have something pulling the branches down or

673
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:03.880
the saplings down and using the other arm to pin them.

674
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.159
It's inexplicable. It doesn't really make sense that a human

675
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:10.760
wants the trouble to do that.

676
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:18.280
Do you find that in this area in western Massachusetts?

677
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.679
I always find it interesting, you know, if I'm talking

678
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.800
to people and They're like, yeah, my neighbors are are

679
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.760
having similar having things happen that are weird too. Have

680
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.119
you ever talked to your neighbors in this area to

681
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:36.920
see if they've been experiencing weird things as well or

682
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:38.519
notice things of the ordinary.

683
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:46.559
Oh, yes, yeah, I have. I'm at the base of

684
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:51.159
a wooded hillside they call them mountains here to be

685
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.519
their hills. Near the top of the hill. I've got

686
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:01.840
a friend. She is in a large hell soldiers. What

687
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.400
is it? Four adults there, five adults, four kids, and

688
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:14.000
they're having odd stuff gone. My friend herself, she looked

689
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:19.280
out through a window to see an upright moving reddish

690
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:24.320
form moved very rapidly across the yard. You know, she

691
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.960
was a long waist from a window. She didn't have

692
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.960
much time, She didn't have really an arc, a big

693
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.400
arc of visibility. She just something went by the window

694
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:40.800
very quickly. But she also reports that a neighbor told

695
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.519
her he had a daylight siding and he said to her,

696
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.280
I cannot unsee what I saw, and that was a sasquatch.

697
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:54.760
She's also had weird paranormal things happen, like in one

698
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.280
case she was keeping quail. The quail were in a

699
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:06.159
latched cage. They came home to find of the four quail,

700
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.079
three of the quail were now a pile of neatly

701
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:16.320
sucked clean bones laying in a neat pile on the

702
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.880
ground by the cages, and the cage doors were still latched,

703
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:26.760
so thatuntain was bizarre. It's hard to explain that a

704
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.239
predator pulling that off, and.

705
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.639
Unless the predator could unlatch, take them out and latch

706
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.840
it back right yep, yep.

707
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.440
And then take the time to eat them right there,

708
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:52.119
have the little snack right there. Yeah, that they're an

709
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.800
interesting family. The two women actually feel they're getting some

710
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:04.239
not really mine speak, but but impressions, telepathic impressions from

711
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:12.480
from things in the woods. So they're certainly quite confident

712
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:14.280
they've got neighbors in the woods.

713
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.480
That's incredible, and these are neighbors. It sounds like they're

714
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.760
not really into the Bigfoot subject, but they're just aware

715
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.159
of I mean, they've had things they've seen.

716
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.519
You know, I met this woman. She was a waitress

717
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:37.679
at the local coffee shop or a little restaurant, and

718
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.400
I tend to when I go out, I wear like,

719
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.039
you know, a sasquatch hat, or Sasquatch something, so people

720
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.719
can tell what I'm into because I get a lot

721
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.599
more more reports that way. Just casual, but you know,

722
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.119
I love talking about it, so I wear my heart

723
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:59.360
on my sleeve, so to speak. I can't. I can't.

724
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.320
When she saw that, she was very interested, and she said,

725
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.280
you've got to talk to my mom because she's really

726
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:12.960
interested in sasquatch. I think they had a minor interest

727
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.280
before they ran into me. And then we kind of

728
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.159
beg each other on and I told them about the

729
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:22.280
things I've been finding, and we've gone out on that

730
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.800
trail I mentioned with her whole family, four kids and

731
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:32.840
her husband taking a look at stuff. So it's just

732
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:34.440
my little community here.

733
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:40.039
That's really cool. It's always nice when you can find

734
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.320
people like that where you can at least have a

735
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.559
conversation and it's not just like, oh, yeah, did you

736
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.800
find bigfoot yet? You know which it's whatever, but you

737
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:53.280
get it.

738
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.840
Yeah. I get plenty of that too. I've got a

739
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.000
couple more old things right from the farm here.

740
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.960
If you yeah, absolutely, I'm going to make I need

741
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:06.000
to make it, Okay, I got the note down, go ahead, Okay.

742
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:12.440
Yeah, sorry. If I'm interrupting, so we hear a lot

743
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:16.559
about interest in children. There was one night here last

744
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:23.360
summer where the client's ten year old she might be

745
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:26.199
eleven year old daughter at that point, was here and

746
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:29.440
she wanted to do a little bonfire, and she actually,

747
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:33.320
we have a large parking area here between the two homes.

748
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:36.679
I live a one home. They live in the large

749
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:42.239
converted barn. So I got invited out and she did

750
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.440
this little bonfire just right in the middle of the

751
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.800
gravel parking area. And I had already been having the

752
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.079
feeling like every time I go out, something's watching me,

753
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:58.519
so I'm aware when I'm outside at night in particular.

754
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:05.159
So we're this little bonfire and it's three adults and

755
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.920
this eleven year old girl, and we're talking, and we're chatting.

756
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:14.199
We're just squatted down, sitting around this bonfire on the gravel,

757
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:23.159
and I could tell me and the husband client, we're

758
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.800
hearing some sounds that sound like rocks being tapped together

759
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:32.119
from behind a rock wall and drop off behind us

760
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:37.800
to about one hundred and fifty feet away. And that happened,

761
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.639
I don't know, half dozen times during that little bonfire,

762
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:43.920
and both of us would turn around and we'd be

763
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.239
looking over our shoulders and we couldn't what was making

764
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.079
the noise, but it was classic rock clacking. But it

765
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.039
was just very quiet, but just loud enough to get

766
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.639
our attention and get us to turn around to look.

767
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:02.760
So that was interesting to me. We have an electric

768
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:07.960
wire fence, just a single strand around our cow pasture

769
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.960
where we have six cows. The cows almost never seem nervous,

770
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.320
except there was one time when I was wearing my

771
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:21.239
brown duck. It was anyhow brown duck hooded jacket, and

772
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.719
I had the hood up because it was windy or something,

773
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.320
and I also had brown duck overalls on, so I'm

774
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:32.360
looking all brown. I come around the corn patch up

775
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.559
on these cows kind of a little bit suddenly, and

776
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.880
they all ran, and I thought that was odd. You know,

777
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.159
I work around these cows all the time. But then

778
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.280
I thought about having the hood up and how maybe

779
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.320
I look like something else. I'm not sure, but that

780
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.960
was just odd. But the really odd thing I found

781
00:54:54.360 --> 00:55:00.159
is I walked the line periodically, and it seems it's

782
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.800
like there's branches thrown across this electric line more than

783
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.840
there should be, just from treefall. So I walk it

784
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.719
fairly often. And one of these times, when I was

785
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.880
walking it, not only did I find large branches over

786
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.639
the top of the line, but I found one section

787
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.079
where the line was lifted up and put up in

788
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.119
the branches of a snapling about five feet off the ground.

789
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:31.719
It was up in the air, and I just don't

790
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:36.320
see how that would have happened naturally. And it also

791
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.280
happened to be where there was through the leaf litter

792
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.280
and the like. There seemed to be a path that

793
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:50.519
was going right through where this was lifted up. Another time,

794
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.039
right before a big event when we had lots of people,

795
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:58.599
I saw a single, small barefoot track in the dust

796
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:02.199
where people were going between this event and the houses,

797
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.360
and I chalked it up off up to one of

798
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.639
the kids going barefoot, And then I realized later I

799
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.880
never there was only like two kids that size here,

800
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.559
and I never saw them with their shoes off, And

801
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.599
I'm just kicking myself that it didn't stop and look

802
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.800
at that track. I think what was happening was there

803
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:26.239
was a smaller one around here last summer, and somebody

804
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:30.000
got tired of their kid getting zapped and lifted up

805
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:32.880
the line there so it could move back and forth

806
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:39.079
without running into that electric wire. The other thing that happened,

807
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:45.239
Jeremiah was to me the most unsettling of all. We

808
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.760
have fruit trees here, and you can tell where this

809
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:52.159
is going. Immediately. Amongst those fruit trees, we had a

810
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.880
plum and a couple of peaches, and the owners here

811
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.320
were very excited about, in particular the plum tree and

812
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.559
the peaches. The plum tree, I am embarrassed to admit,

813
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.880
is less than twenty feet from the door I use

814
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:12.719
over and over again of where I'm living. One morning

815
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.239
i leave the homes. You know, all these fruits were

816
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.840
just ripening. We're just I had actually picked a lot

817
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.000
of peaches for myself. The owners hadn't gotten to it yet.

818
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:31.239
I noticed the fruit trees are empty of fruit. We're

819
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:33.960
talking fruit up to twelve feet high off the ground.

820
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:38.800
Not only were the trees empty of fruit, but some

821
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:42.760
of them had ripened and fallen to the ground. The

822
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.800
half rotten fruit on the ground was gone. It was

823
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.760
like somebody had done like a crime scene. They had

824
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:54.000
cleaned up everything. And we're talking. I don't know how

825
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:57.480
many pounds of fruit we're talking. It could have been

826
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.599
one hundred pounds off of each of the peach trees.

827
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:05.360
Less on the plumb tree, maybe twenty twenty five pounds.

828
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:09.159
But it's all. It was all just gone. There weren't

829
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:12.400
like half eaten fruits. The trees weren't ripped apart from

830
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.119
like what a bear would have done. Branches were not broken,

831
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:20.280
there weren't claw marks on the trunks. The trees were

832
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:24.719
just fine. They were just denuded of fruit. But here's

833
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:29.480
another odd thing. Except one peach tree, I make my

834
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:35.880
rounds and I would take a half rotten peach or

835
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.840
two off the tree and throw them in with the chickens.

836
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.440
And I had one particular part of this peach tree

837
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:45.360
where I would do this over and over again. Somebody

838
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.239
had Well, there was a wedge of peaches left where

839
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.639
I was taking peaches to feed the chickens on that

840
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:58.199
one tree. But the rest of the tree, like two

841
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.760
hundred and eighty degrees of that tree, if you take

842
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.800
a line up, the trunk was completely stripped, but this

843
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.280
little wedge had been left with some pizzas in it

844
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.000
for me to keep feed of the chickens.

845
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:16.880
Yeah, that's weird. That's like something was watching the whole time.

846
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.880
Absolutely something.

847
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:24.199
Yeah, and waiting for the fruit and decided now tonight.

848
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.719
But also aware of what you were doing, and like,

849
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.199
let's be nice. Let's let's leave the human a little

850
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:32.440
bit for his thing too.

851
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:41.719
Man, Yeah, the us.

852
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.639
Right, right exactly. Also, the weird thing about all this

853
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:48.480
is how and I'm guessing this is a case let

854
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:52.239
me know if I'm wrong, but how you just randomly

855
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:57.760
chose this property to live in that ended up being

856
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:02.280
like a pretty active area in western Massachusetts. That is,

857
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:03.480
that's pretty cool.

858
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.119
It's interesting. The whole story of how I got here

859
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:11.519
is odd too, But it's getting to be a little

860
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:16.599
obscure for a podcast. But yes, it's interesting, and it was.

861
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.440
One of my goals was to get to a place

862
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.320
with activity, and it worked.

863
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:24.800
I'd say, you got it.

864
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:33.239
Do you have any future goals with interaction for this

865
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:35.400
property that you're at right now?

866
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:46.320
So my approach is to consider that I'm dealing with

867
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:52.840
an uncontacted tribe that generally does not want to be contacted,

868
01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:00.920
and I'm sure they have good reason for that. One

869
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:06.119
of my goals is to be as unobnoxious as I

870
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:14.760
can be and maybe be a little approachable. I get

871
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.559
the impression that the kids are a little more likely

872
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:24.280
to interact with humans. I think a lot of what

873
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:30.199
we hear about is actually just kids, and I'm saying that.

874
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.280
You know, a seven foot male is generally a kid.

875
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:39.440
You know, maybe the equivalent of a twelve thirteen year old,

876
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:44.639
but it's a kid, and they screw up, or sometimes

877
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:49.039
they're just extra curious. I think generally the adults don't

878
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:52.519
want anything to do with us. They probably a lot

879
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:56.239
of them have been shot at, and they're offended by

880
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:59.519
how we deal with them when we do see them.

881
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:02.320
So a lot of what I'm doing is preparing myself

882
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.840
psychologically for not freaking out if I do have a

883
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:13.960
sighting here, and being open to that siding, and even

884
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:18.760
sometimes just like trying to let the woods know, hey,

885
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:23.800
I'm not here to cause any trouble. If you want

886
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.360
to be seen, I'd love to see you. I won't

887
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:31.119
take pictures, and I don't I take pictures of the

888
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.559
stuff I find, but I probably wouldn't take a picture

889
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:36.639
even if I thought of it, and I probably wouldn't

890
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:40.440
think of it if I saw a sas squatch. I

891
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:42.239
don't think i'd do it. I think it's an invasion

892
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.559
of privacy and it should just wait for permission. Sure,

893
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:49.159
So I guess that's part of my goal. I think

894
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.360
I will follow up that paper by my tracking what

895
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:57.239
I find this summer as well. If I start finding

896
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:04.039
enough quantifiable material, I'll keep track of it. I would.

897
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.000
It frustrates me no end that I haven't found any

898
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:11.519
good tracks here, So I'm gonna keep looking for tracks

899
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:16.039
and Scott and you know, I look for hair too

900
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:19.840
when I think I'm in a spot where here maybe

901
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.599
should be showing up, so I'll look for trace evidence.

902
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:26.880
The tracks would be great. The tracks I found in

903
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:31.679
Alaska were partially melted out. I could only suspect they

904
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:36.840
were sasquatched by the stride and the shape. But I

905
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:40.199
would love to find a track I couldn't deny that'd

906
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:40.639
be good.

907
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:46.639
Norman, you got some really exciting things going on there,

908
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:51.440
and I think you are definitely going towards this the

909
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:56.880
right way with how you want to prepare for siting.

910
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.079
I think a lot of people don't think about that

911
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.440
that I'm just going to go out and have something happen.

912
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:01.599
Now.

913
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:03.599
I kind of need to be prepared.

914
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:07.440
For this, and I think that's very admirable what you're doing,

915
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:11.119
because I haven't had one yet myself either, but it

916
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:14.800
is saying where you definitely need to be prepared for it.

917
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.880
So it'd be interesting to see, you know, what comes

918
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:22.199
next from this in the future. But you know, it's

919
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:26.239
just been real fun chatting with you today and we

920
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:28.679
will definitely have to keep in touch to see if

921
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:32.519
things continue to happen here in the future.

922
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.679
Yeah, I'll let you know if more does occur to me.

923
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:41.639
I'll tip you off one thing if you want to

924
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:46.159
do Jeremiah, I sent you a link to a presentation

925
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:50.000
about stick structures my son and I have found in Colorado.

926
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:52.840
Okay, yep, not so far from that.

927
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:57.719
Pike's Peak area that You've got a podcast on the fourteenth,

928
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.519
two days ago that I got to listen. That sounds fascinating,

929
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.199
But if you want, you can include a link to that.

930
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.599
It's just on Google Drive anybody who wants to look

931
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.360
at that presentation. But I found that we found amazing

932
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.480
structures out there that just boggled my mind in this

933
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.119
one area, and I know of small town monsters. They

934
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.840
had a crew out there only about five miles away,

935
01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.679
and they also found some interesting structures in the woods.

936
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:34.119
So well, that's fantastic that Yeah, yeah, feel free. Thank

937
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.039
you for sharing that with my listeners. I know a

938
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.679
lot of people will definitely. I mean, it's fascinating. I've

939
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:41.920
looked through that presentation myself and I was like, there's

940
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some wild stuff in here. So definitely check that out. Guys.

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It will be in the show notes or description, depending

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how you are listening to this. But thank you Norm

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for coming on the show. I do have one more

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question for you, But thank you so much for coming

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on today.

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Oh you're welcome, my pleasure. It's been a great talk.

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Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of

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Bigfoot Society. Norman's experiences leave us with more questions than answers,

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but that's what makes these accounts so captivating. If you've

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being part of the Bigfoot Society. Until next time, keep

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your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking

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what else might be out there, And see you in

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the woods.